And it hits me, Oh my gosh, this is that triangle. You
know, there's explanation for everything that occurred in the Randalchampars incident that doesn't involve
aliens at all. It was completely silent. It comes right over our heads.
He's so Gothic. Vi Sorciat is stunning into Cleary. He turned over
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and all of these news stories you can see the links to the original
stories and pictures, etc. Writ In our show notes on podcastufo dot com.
Well. Similar UFOs appear over Japan and US cities and this was written
by Lee Spiegel. Strange lights over Osaka and Milwaukee both and they're very very
similar. If you look at the pictures, you can see the picture right
on our show notes of how these look almost exactly alike and they could be
Chinese laners, but they look kind of white for that. And one of
them I think was really interesting because the one in Milwaukee was videotaped and posted
a Facebook and this was by a Wisconsin police officer and it was right near
Milwaukee in July twenty fifth and his last name is Rojas, Gustavo Rojas,
and he and his partner saw these lights maneuvering around in the sky and forming
strange patterns before they eventually vanished. And again Lee Spiegel wrote about that and
Huffington Post and the next story I wanted to talk about is UFO watching the
Apollo landing. Even NASA won't say. NASA hasn't been able to explain why
it looks like in an image that was taken during the Apollo eleven moon landing,
it looks like a piece of the moon is like lifting up, or
some people are speculating it's a UFO. I think the unusual part of this
whole thing is that NASA doesn't have an answer for what it is. It
looks like some type of anomaly could be something natural, almost like a mirage
type of thing. It's awful hard to say, but it's a great looking
picture. I hope you check it out on our website. And another story
I think is really interesting as a new cave was found with paintings that look
like UFOs and look like Aliens. And this was discovered in India. And
there's also some like ancient code and that's ten thousand years old. They're speculating
and if you look at those pictures, it looks just like a craft with
a with like a beam coming down, and it sure does look a lot
like aliens. I'm not really sure what they are, but it's a great,
great article and you can see again that's in our show notes. And
so that is about it for what I have and Alejandro Rojas will be back
next week and we'll be doing the news per usual right here. All right,
So our guest is upcoming, and if you hold on right, you
know what, I'm not going to do a music break, going to introduce
him right now, Richard Soud Are you there? Thank you, yes,
sir, I am, thank you for joining us with you. Yes,
So Richard, why don't you give your quick background to the listener who may
not be familiar with who you are. Well. I am a native Virginia
and I was born and reared in Virginia on the East coast of the United
States back in the late fifties and sixties and early seventies, and since then
I went on to work and live and study and travel and be active in
many other of the American States. At present, I am living in a
voluntary exile Ecuador. I would like to remain here. I prefer to remain
in Ecuador. I intend to remain at any rate in South America. I
do have some academic degrees. I have a degree in sociology in Latin American
studies in political science, and a fourth degree in forestry and ecosystem management.
I'm perhaps best known for my series of little books on underground and underwater basis
and tunnels, and in recent years I have a blog called the Event called
event Horizon Chronicle dot blogspot dot com. That's event Horizon Chronicle dot blogspot dot
com. And my blog is very widely read, more widely read than I
would have expected when I started it, but there's quite an international following.
In a very solid plug of thousands of people in the United States also who
read my blog. And that's a little about me. Uh huh. Now
to I get the hint that you may becoming an ex pat, you may
move to South America? Is that what you just said? Much money?
Without much money? And I have very little money. Just to get rid
of your United States citizenship costs a few thousand bucks that I don't have,
and then acquiring residency visa in another country costs many more thousands of dollars that
I don't have. So for want of money, it's not a very feasible
route for me unless and naturalize that way. So far, I have not
met the woman that I would prefer to marry, and so I haven't pursued
that avenue. There's more than one way that's goin to cat But yes,
if I were financially able, I would actively be furthering the expat And as
it is, I am making my way with a very little scratch. It's
been a struggle, but here I am. Yeah. And your books are
they pretty well read? You had one? I saw you have some on
Richard Dolan Press. Well, my latest book, which came out in twenty
ten, is Hidden in Plain Sight Beyond the X Files, which deals with
the underground and underwater base policy area or reality, and that's with Richard Dolan
Press. And then I have my two earlier books Underwater and Underground Bases,
and in my first little book is called Underground Bases and Tunnels? What is
the government trying to hide? And those are being handled by Advantagures Unlimited Press
in Illinois, and all of those books can be accessed from my website.
Those who go there can find the book covers on the right hand sidebar and
just click on them. Now, one of the people I've wanted to get
on the show for a long time, or someone I wanted to get on
the show, I should say, is someone that could talk about USOS,
you know, the you know, Unidentified submerged objects, because that's that's been
kind of a fascination of mine. And I'm sure with these underground basis is
that any does any part of that touch on the USO. Well, not
directly, but you know, the the book that it first attracted a lot
of atension that subject was written by the late American biologists Ivan T. Sanderson
and was entitled Invisible Residents. He goes into that subject in that book and
talk about the many unidentified submarine objects that have been seen all over the world
for years. One of the places in the United States where a lot of
that activity has been observed is in Lake Erie in the Great Lake Region.
It's in it's I don't assume just because an object is seen going or coming
from going into or coming from the ocean or any other body of water,
that it must necessarily be an extraterrestrial craft i e. And interplanetary UFO or
something like that. It could quite easily be terrestrial technology developed by the United
States military Industrial Complex, among others. In the case of Lake Erie,
the geology under a lot of that area under the Great Lakes region is actually
pretty favorable for tunneling and making underground installations. That is, and also underwater
beneath the Great Lakes themselves. That is because there is a thick stratum of
deeply buried rock salt in that region, and a lot of it lays Lake
Erie area. It also extends over to the Detroit area. Detroit is actually
built over a mass of very deep, underground working salt mine that's been down
there for the better part of a century now. In case the lake yrie.
There are actually mines that go offshore under the lake bed and the shafts
are sunk down and then the tunnels go out. I think in the Cleveland
area there's a facility facility like that, and one or two others on the
shore of Lake Erie there in Ohio. And what I'm telling you is,
you don't need to have extraterrestrial interplanetary interplanetary technology to mc tunnels and openings that
would be capable of accommodating human beings, for example, and a breathable atmosphere.
You can do it with off the shelf twentieth century mining technology. And
in fact, that was done and those mines are there. So it could
be that either the military, United States Military, or some other secretive organization
or corporation made facilities under Lake Erie. Now I believe the stories that I've
been told about objects coming and going from Lake Erie, and I believe also
that i've in t Sanders and mentions this in his books Residents. This activity
has been going on for years. It's not just a one time thing.
I strongly suspect there are facilities beneath the lake bed of Lake Erie, down
in the sub lake bottom geological strata. Exactly who is down there and exactly
what they are doing, I do not presume to know, but I know
the geology is favorable for tunning their tunneling there. Rock salt is comparatively easy
to excavate and tunnel out, and in the case of a covert government operation,
they could just take the rock salt and sell it on the market through
a front company and recoup some money or on a few million dollars of extra
black funding. So that wouldn't be difficult to dofulness standpoint of modern mining technology
or civil engineering technology. And the same goes for the Detroit area and running
over underneath the Shreither large region in that port of North America. Now I
remember hearing something about some type of base or yeah, I mean it was
talked about a lot off of the coast of Florida. Has any of your
research looked into any anything about that, in particular? Which coast you're talking
about, the Atlantic Coast to the Gulf Coast. I thought it was the
Atlantic Coast, but I'm not sure toward Bermuda or something. Well, if
it were toward Bermuda, that would be actually further off than just a continental
shelf Bermuda is about what four hundred miles off the coast, It's seven hundred
miles out to sea that whole area. Though, whether you're talking about the
continental shelf of North America or on the other side of the Florida Peninsula and
the Gulf, the technology certainly exists to make underground or undersea facilities. I
talk about this in my second and third book on this topic, in Underwater
An Underground Basis, and then in Hidden in Plain Sight Beyond the X Files.
The technology to do this has been around since at least the mid nineteen
sixties. I was told by one of my sources who went silent on me
after the nine to eleven attacks in two thousand and one, but before that
happened, he was telling me about a installation that Parsons has ostensibly made in
the Gulf of Mexico. He believed it was in a somewhere in the eastern
or northeastern Golf of Mexico. He worked with a mining company that provides a
certain kind of life support system that is only used in deep underground excavations.
In the case of this particular project, he was told that the equipment was
for use in a facility in the northeastern Gulf of Mexico or the eastern Golf
of Mexico. And because that equipment is only used in a deep underground hard
rock mining environment, he knew that it had to be used in a subseafloor
type of environment because the project was in the Golf of Mexico, not near
to it, but in the Gulf of Mexico. Now the technology to tunnel
out under the seafloor from on shore, or to tunnel out under the sea
floor from an island, whether it's a natural island like Bermuter where the Bahamas
through the has been around for a long time, or alternatively, to cut
a large diameter borehole right in the seafloor and then sink a large stainless steel
sealed tank or pipe into that. It would be large diameter eight ten twenty
feet across into that with an air lock on it, seal it in there
with rapid setting cement, and then through the air lock evacuate all the water
that was inside the tube and introduce a bateable atmosphere. Then you can,
through the airlock put in a crew of miners, and also you can put
in machinery to excavate under the seafloor with and from the bottom then of that
tube, which could be fifty feet long or one hundred feet long, however
long you wanted to be, you could have living quarters inside it and life
support systems. But from the bottom of that then you could tunnel out and
begin to make a network, and over time you could expand it, keep
bringing down more machinery, more personnel, and given even the technology that existed
decades ago, you would have been able to make a tunnel system beneath the
seafloor many miles long in just a few years now. This is all discussed
in a document that I obtained from the United States Navy that came out of
the China Lake Naval Weapons Station in nineteen sixty six titled the Rock Site Concept
rock s Ite, and the idea was exactly what I've explained. Under the
Rock Site conscept, the plan was to build very large, very deep,
manned installations beneath the sea floor, including well out to see, I mean
hundreds of miles out to see, in which submarines, actual ocean going military
submarines would come in and dock. Had berths inside these facilities, and the
crews would then have areas for rest and recreation where they could live and work.
The illustrations that I came across in my research and dedicated that these facilitiesies
were going to be designed to accommodate four or five six large military submarines at
a time, and they would come in through huge underwater airlocks, which would
be they'd have to be about one hundred feet in diameter, and then the
submarines would come through there and would dock way down beneath the ocean. And
also the Stanford Research Institute came out with a very similar R and D or
planning document just two or three years after that, expanding on that concept a
little bit. And in these documents there were a number of purposes given for
these facilities. Of course the military purpose undersea submarine bases and also undersee nuclear
missile bases where the nuclear missiles would be embedded in the seafloor and missile silos
weigh down there thousands of feet and the seafloor, or as scientific research stations
for oceanography, for geology, for seismology, for a variety of different studies
that you could do in that environment. Or alternatively as industrial facilities, for
example, as geothermal power plants, or as potentially as mines. You know,
you might run across rich deposits of anything, gold, platinum, diamonds,
whatever. The sea floor is quite rich in mineral resources, or petroleum
wells, oil wells down in these facilities, down beneath the sea floor where
oil could be drilled away from the harsh undersea environment and then the pipeline and
siphon off the petroleum. So everything I mean, the accounts I've been told
facilities have been built and a strongly suspect based on what I've heard, and
I've been told that some of these are definitely not terrestrial human facilities, that
there do seem to be some off planet groups coming here. They may or
may not be human, but it does appear some of them look pretty human
and for whatever reason, have set up shop down way beneath the See for
one thing, you get a whole lot of physical physical security by doing that,
and only those with advanced technology that enables them to sail around thousands of
feet beneath the sea surface could come calling. So so it's a little bit
of an introduction to that. Thank you, your your mic is cutting out
a little bit here and there, but we're moving along because there's really nothing
we can do at this point about that. Pardon me, but what would
be the advantage of having these underground? You did mention a possible geothermal power
plant, but I mean, what would be the advantage for submarine basis so
they wouldn't have to surface or what are your thoughts on that? I don't
know, And the documentation that I ran across didn't explain that why the Navy
would want to have undersea submarine basis. One reason that was given, which
I mentioned, was to put nuclear missile silos down in the seafloor away.
I believe that it may have been done, so that would be one reason.
Another reason that was mentioned in literature so was to have undersea manned hydrophone
basis or acoustic listening basis where they would be able to spy on submarine traffic
of other countries, for example, or ship traffic, or I would presume
probably also on UFO traffic, since there seemed to be a number of UFOs
coming and going from the oceans and seas of this planet. So that those
are the things that I saw explicitly mentioned not the uf faux port, but
to have underwater acoustic or listening stations, and also the idea of stationing nuclear
missile basis that great depth beneath the sea, along with a manned component.
I think that may have been done. I do believe that in the case
of basis for submarines, that it could give an extra layer of security to
have some shall we say, off the books nuclear submarines that go sailing around
to secret underground basis, under sea basis, and they're off the books and
they go quiet for long periods of time because they are not in the water.
They're actually buttoned up inside an under sea base. I wouldn't roll out
that that is going on, but I'm not an insider, so I couldn't
say for sure. Uh huh. Now what about underground? Before I move
on, there was something that came up on the message board, and there's
another radio host that claims there's this deep, massive underwater base somewhere off the
coast of California. You need not mention the host. I don't. I
don't. I don't think much of the so called shall we say in quotation
marks research that's behind that claim. I perceive I perceive that as pretty well
grade a disinformation. Whether willful or just down home not knowing much what you're
doing, I couldn't say, but I've looked at those some of the images
that have been posted to the Internet. It's allegedly off of Malibu. How
very southern California can you get? But to me it just looked like ordinary
geological features. I didn't run. I didn't run across any reference to that
in my research. I would, however, say that I do not discount
the possibility of undersea facilities off the coast of California. However, the areas
that I would look at in particular would be the Monterey area and further south
Long Beach area, and then going further south to the Channel Islands between La
and San Diego. Those would be the three places that I would most strongly
suspect underground bases in the California region. Now, but this thing that's allegedly
off of Malibu, oh no, I don't think so. I'm from Missouri
on that one. You have to show me, and the alleged proof that
put out been put out on the internet, I'm sorry, it is not
proof of an undersea base. There it just isn't. Yeah, okay,
just for the live listener. If you'd like to call in the show and
ask a question, that's six O three nine six seven four oh three ohero.
If you'd like to jump in the chat room, that's right on PODCASTUFO
dot com. A real easy sign in for that. Here's a question on
the message board. What is your belief regarding Philip Schneider's claim to the underground
base at DULCI. Well, let me talk about Philip Schneider a little bit,
since he talked about me a little bit before he died. Uh I
did. I did speak with Philip Schneider on the phone, and I told
him, frankly, you know, the claims that you're making are what you're
saying. I need to see some some proof. You say you were involved
in these projects for years. Show me some evidence of that. You must
have some evidence. So he said, yeah, I'll send you a box
of evidence, the documentation, and he never did. I never received anything
from him. I believe I talked to him twice, three times at the
most, but I think it was two reasonably long phone conversations. He never
sent me anything, and then he turned up dead the other thing about that
is, before he died, he was publicly saying that rich Chud Souder,
a PhD architect who worked on the underground facilities, was risking something his life
for his well being or whatever to talk about these things and clearly referring to
me. But in the account that he gave that's out on the internet,
my last name is misspelled, My personal credentials are are badly misrepresented. I
don't have a PhD in architecture. I've never had any involvement with the field
of architecture professionally academically, I don't have any qualification in the field, never
worked in the field, So that is just flat wrong, and my name
is misspelled. And then the other thing is he says that I worked on
these projects, and that is also flatly false as well. I have researched
the topic, but I've never worked on those projects. I've never been any
kind of insider. I've never been in the alphabet soup or worked for the
corporations involved. So what I'm telling you is if he could get my basic
personal and professional details so wrong after talking with me on the phone two times
at some length, then how are we to believe other more sensational claims of
his. I've found him to not be thinking clearly at all now, and
then he died. So what I'm telling you and your listeners is flesh and
blood person. I'm not a mysterious underground base or an elusive alien race here
to do god knows what. I'm a flesh and blood man. I'm walking
around and living my life like everyone else in the middle of society and have
been for decades. So if he could get my basic biographical and professional details
so wrong, then I have doubts as to most to the rest of his
story. Now people will say, but he's got burned, he had burns
on his chest. I never saw his chest, But giving that part of
the story the benefit of the doubt, let's say he had burns on his
chest or elsewhere on his body. Please understand that there are many ways in
this world to get burned, and one of the least likely ways to get
burned is being shot in the chest by an alien with some star trek raygun.
It's guys get burned all the time working on projects in the shop,
or and taking a blow torch to the oil pan on their car. Some
you know, fixed gold ideas they have. I mean, you might say,
no, one's that dumb to do that. Well, I'm telling what
happens every day. I've worked in industry where I worked with blow torch within
a settline torch, and I was really careful. I never got badly burned.
A few sparks and that's it. But when you're working with the settling
torches, with arc welders, with that kind of thing, you can't get
burned in pretty badly. It's not that hard to happen. So I don't
know how Phil Schneider got burned, if indeed he was. And as for
the rest of his story, the same thing goes just because he very melodramatically
said in the months and a couple of years before he died that you know,
I worked on a deep underground base in Dulsa in New Mexico, and
you know I was in a firefight with these little aliens and blah blah blah.
I've never seen any proof of that beyond Phil Schneider's say, so,
right, Yeah, there was a lot of controversy about that being some disinformation
as well, the Paul Benoitz case and all that. I don't know if
you ever. Yes, Paul Benott's case is very part of that whole disinformation.
Paul Bennett Benowitz was set up by Richard Dodi and other Air Force intelligence
operatives at Kurland Air Force Base in New Mexico. Right. I did have
some contact with the Benowitz family, know his his his laboratory, Thunder Laboratory
Thunder Labs, was right by the gate of Curland Air Force Base, and
I I used to live out there in Mexico. So I went to the
laboratory and talked with his son. The son was very evasive by that time.
Paul was not very communitytive. He was still alive, but uh,
he was badly burned mentally and emotionally and psychologically by that whole episode. And
he actually they produced produced a map or two of the area just north of
Dulce, the artillated Mason Peak area, and it is an anatoted annotated with
his markings geological survey, topo map, topographical map. So I got a
really good, high quality topographical map of that area, and following to the
contour line precisely the markings that he had made, I went up there and
I climbed the place and I walked all over. None of what he had
indicated on the map was there. You know, ufo, hangar, doors,
ventilation shaft, this and that other thing. None of it was there.
I did see a great number of perfectly ordinary rocks and pine trees.
That whole there's something really aery about that area of New Mexico. Did you
feel that when you were there, Well, it's called the whole state is
called the end of Enchantments. There are underground bases in New Mexico. There
are at least two on the Kirkland Air Force Base, Sandy National Laboratory and
Loveless. There's a Loveless medical clinic there. Who does They do medical research
there? Biomedical research? And God knows the fact that it's right there with
Sandy a National lab and Kirkland Air Force Base immediately suggests to me that they
do black budget research for the military industrial complex. And then you also have
the Monsano Mansano Underground Facility, which was begun in the late nineteen forties initially
as an underground at atom bomb assembly factory. They actually put atom bombs together
down there. In the early years the Cold War was a great center for
building adam baumbs in the first generation of nuclear bombs. Of course, you
still have Sandy National Laboratory there in Los Alamos National Laboratory just to the north
to there in the Hems Mountains, and they're both still very actively involved in
those kinds of research and design and much more besides. But at that complex,
just to the southeast of Albuquerque, New Mexico, there is a serious
underground component. It has been for many years. I talked to one expert
who when I say expert, I mean someone who really really knows the field
from the inside. And what I was told is that the Monsonal underground base
is vast. I'm not saying it's big. I'm not saying it's charge.
He told me it was vast. Now I'm prepared to believe that means that
it sprails from miles. Maybe my impression is, you know, twenty thirty,
forty fifty miles. It's multiple levels. I couldn't tell you what's down
there. I just couldn't. I think we're talking about tangential, comportmentized society
that exists on our home planet about which we know practically nothing. The few
crumbs I found in my research, I'll actually qualify that as saying, the
many crumbs informational crumbs and crumbs of documentation that I found in my research clearly
review that there's been a seventeen year long program now of major underground and it
seems under see construction as well. And yet we don't know what's happening down
there. I suppose we might know one percent. Yeah, it's so massively
funded, so secretive, so large, so high tech. God knows we
we we are being played. That's what I'm telling you. We are being
played, and we don't even know how badly. I've heard, you know,
rumors of the black budget being like this massive amount of money that goes,
you know that it disappears, and no one knows exactly where it goes.
So yeah, it's it's it would be hard to figure that out.
I wanted to There's a couple of questions up. I want to get to
him in just a second. There's one back here wondering if what we do
know is that true? True? Are you there? I could not hear
you. Can you restate the question? Please? Okay, you dropped out
One of the questions up on the message board. They wanted to know what
you thought about an underground base at Area fifty one. Sure, I think
Nevada has all kinds of tunnels beneath it. An Area fifty one is one
of those places, but not only Area fifty one. I think it's a
following naval air station, which is in the northern part of the state.
And then you have S four. You have Nellis Air Force Base, and
other facilities here and there around the state. Nevada is Mexico. It's tonn
It has a lot of military and government facilities, and we don't know what
they're doing. I think something like ninety percent in Nevada is controlled by federal
agencies, including large chunks by the Pentagon and the Department of Energy, which
work very closely together. I have been told anecdotally that there are massive tunnels
running out between Nevvada and the desert areas in California. I listen to those
stories with interest. I can't prove them. No one is not on the
inside has information about that stuff. So if you're not one of those compartmentalized
need to know projects, you don't have firsthand knowledge of them. However,
if you are on the inside of one or more of those compartmentalized need to
know projects, you cannot talk about what you know and about what you do,
So in some ways, people like me are the closest you get to
finding out about that short of signing your life away and going into that world,
which I am not willing to do. But I take seriously these stories
I've been told about of massive facilities beneath California Nevada. You know, they
are huge, wide open areas of California that are extremely sparsely populated. You
see practically no one when you go out there, and the same as true
of Nevada. Once you get outside of Reno in Las Vegas, the rest
of Nevada is pretty empty. Actually most of it is extremely empty. The
realtion, I believe at least a lot of it is going on underground.
And for the purpose of being underground? Would that be just for secretive purposes?
Is that what you're imagining? Multiple purposes? Secrecy of course, see,
Well, that's one reason. The secrecy, of course means that if
you're out of sight, out of mind, out of you can con see
what you're doing from others. What people don't see they tend not to know
about, not to think about. But you would also have physical security by
being underground, and you limit the access to these hotilltities, and so you
can carry out your projects with more security. I mean, if it's a
weapons project or if you're interfacing with aliens, as I believe is happening in
some cases in some of these facilities, then you would be able to keep
the idly curious general public away. Other reasons would be for command role and
communication facilities for government, for the military, for industry other regions. Other
reasons for some of these facilities as the storage of commodities or the storage of
archival records government and industry produced. Reams of records for computing facilities are underground.
One of the most famous ones it's publicly known as at least semi publicly
known, is beneath the NSA headquarters in Laurel, Maryland. And then if
the stories believe, there are also highly secret transportation nodes and transportation networks underground
for use not by the general public but by this very secretive, highly compartmentalized
world military industrial espionage complex. So those are some of the reasons. I'm
I'm sure there must be others. Do you know anything about Pine Gap in
Australia, Well, you know it's real. It's it's a large facility,
high tech, very deep. It's in the region in the area of the
small town of Alice Springs, which which is out in the Australian outback,
almost exactly in the geographic center of of of Australia. It's way out there,
and that part of Australia is like Nevada and those areas of California.
It's very thinly populated. There's almost almost no one out there now. The
facility at Pine Gap is an American facility, notwithstanding that it is located in
the middle of nowhere, in the middle of Australia. It is controlled by
the Americans and not by the Australians. It is run by the Americans and
not by the Australians. The NSA has a major presence at Pine Gap,
I believe based went up based on what I read that the CIA is there
to a degree, and also the National Reconnaissance Office and perhaps other agencies and
organizations that we don't know about. But it's been there for many years.
Its ostensible public function is as a satellite down link or uplink. You know,
the Americans have a lot of spy satellites and sort of the British and
they have ground stations where they communicate with their spy satellite network, and that's
one of them. It's in the Southern Hemisphere, and so it has a
strategic location on the other side of the planet from the United States, in
the Southern Hemisphere. It's a working base, it's a high tech base.
It's very secretive. The stories about it are that it has deep underground levels,
massive deep underground levels, and I believe those stories. Uh huh.
One of the things that has come up earlier in one of my shows was
Right Patterson Air Base that there's a massive underground facility there. Did you look
into that one? Well, from what I've seen, yes, of course.
Right Patterson is an Air Force base in Ohio. It's been there for
many years. The story, the Roswell story, at least in some of
it, some of the iterations goes that the little alien bodies and some of
the UFO debris collected from so called UFO crash at Roswell, which was not
at Roswell, was not at Roswell, one crash of one of one craft.
But Right Patterson is often put into that story as an important element because
it was for a long time a base where the Air Force analyzed and did
reverse engineering on foreign technology. I suppose you have full technology would qualify as
foreign technology. And then of course there are stories about underground tunnels and work
areas at Right Patterson, and I've read some of that information. I think
they've been there for a long time. I don't know how deep the stuff
at Right Patterson goes. Listen, at any American military installation, you're quite
likely to have one or more underground facilities. I say that because the black
budget is so huge, running into the trillions of dollars. The document trail
I found is so extensive, indicating ongoing military interest in underground tunnels and bases
over a period of decades, and the secrecy and compartmentalization in the black budget
world of the military industrial complex is so extensive that I don't roll out at
any American military facility the possibility of a serious underground component, no matter how
shabby and rundown things may look on the surface, that is what my research
strongly indicates, and so there could be a major deep underground facility Right Patterson.
The documentation I have seen suggests more modest more shallow shaw shallower close to
the surface tunnels and work areas. But you know that was from stuff from
decades ago, and the technology that's around today permits construction at a very deep
level. So I wouldn't rule anything out where Right Patterson is concerned, or
any other American military facility. Right It's amazing these machines they have for actually
tunneling underground that can be sixty feet wide I think it is, and it
can go through bedrock anything. Pretty amazing what they can do right right now.
Yes, the largest of these machines are just gargantuan. Their breathtakingly huge,
and it's hard to believe that machines with that power, with thousands of
horsepower can just chew their way through solid rock hundreds or even one thousand,
two thousand and three thousand feet underground, But that is the state of the
technology and has been for decades now. You could even come in from miles
away. It could be that there would be just using Right Patterson as one
hypothetical example, since I've never been underground beneath the right Edison and am highly
unlikely ever to go underground beneath the Right Patterson. Air Force base. But
if you want to make a serious tunnel network beneath the right patterson, you
wouldn't have to start tunneling right there. You could if you wanted to.
You could tunnel in from twenty miles away or fifty miles away, and no
one would be the wiser. Right a question up on the message board,
do you think any of the bases could function as protected spaces and anticipation for
earth disasters? No, these facilities are not intended for the and me.
They are intended for use by the military industrial complex and others. There really
is no civil defense provision in this campaign. You are dealing with the comportmentalized
parallel reality there. That is does not have your best interest at heart.
And I say that or mine, because it is sucking money out of the
economy by the trillions of dollars, money that we all need and could use
for all kinds of things productive uses. So right there, we are being
robbed without our consent. Robbery is always a crime. It's always a violation
of the other parties dignity, human rights, and civil liberties. And so
the fact that a massive crime is being committed against us without our permission right
there tells you that what is being done is not being done for us,
but is being done to us. Well, I think earlier someone said that
Rumsfield said that there was two point three trillion dollars missing from the federal budget
back in two thousand and one. Have you followed that type of missing figures
along the way here, Well, you can't find out where that money went.
What you have to do is rely on what you can find in open
literature and the newspapers and books and documents and journals and so forth, professional
journals. At that time, I was talking about two point three trillion dollars
of spending that the Pentagon accountants could not account for. Now, just you
try that excuse in your personal financial affairs. You know, you know it's
true. There's eighty six thousand dollars missing here and the figures don't add up.
But I'm on it. I'll let you know as soon as I have
an answer for what's going on here, which has been the Pentagon's way of
handling this, Only it's so much worse. We're talking about multiple trillions,
and that was fifteen years ago. We do know that it's gotten even worse.
And I'll tell you how you can look at. It's not limited to
the Pentagon. The Pentagon is just one appendage of what is going on.
This is actually a global program. Something real big is going on on this
planet, beneath this planet, and above this planet, or off this planet.
It's costing trillions of dollars. When you see that the Federal Reserve Bank,
for example, is undertaking what it caused quantitative easing. What that means
is it is creating money out of thin air by the trillions, and it
is funneling it too large fortune five hundred companies on Wall Street, to stock
brokerages, to major banks in the United States and in other countries around the
world, and none of this is being accounted for. Representative Alan Grayson,
who has been in the in the Congress United States Congress in recent years,
has in congressional hearings quized high ranking United States Federal Reserve Bank officials about this.
I've written about this on my blog and a couple of my blog postings.
In one case, he was grilling the Inspector General for the Reserve,
who's, you know, investigating the spending of the Federal Reserve falls under a
purview and she played ignorance there were a number of trillions of dollars that she
could not account for in congressional testimony, and essentially was telling the congressman,
you know, I don't have those details immediately to hand in front of me
right now, but let me get back to you. Well, let me
tell you. If it's a question of trillions of dollars being spent, wouldn't
you be able to say something about it. I mean, you can tell
me if you spend twenty dollars for something, what you spent it on.
And here trillions of dollars, literally trillions of dollars on the Fed's balance sheet.
We're being were under discussion and he was querying her about it, and
she had no answer. That's how opaque the system is. And I'm suggesting
to you that if a sitting United States congressman and sworn congressional testimony cannot get
a straight answer, just consider how much harder it is for someone like me
and other researchers like me. We're up against something huge that's hard to research,
it's hard to understand. But what's clear is that trillions of dollars are
being sucked out of the system in the United States and around the world.
It is not being put to productive use in the so called brick and mortar
economy, it's not being This vast sum of money is not being put to
productive use or any visible use at all in the realm in which ordinary people
live their lives, by one hundreds of millions in bands. So where is
it going. Obviously somewhere else. It's going somewhere else, It's doing something
else. My research shows what one of those things must be demonstrably must be,
and that is underground and underwater tunnels and bases. There's also a growing
body of research that strongly points in the direction of one or more secret space
programs, and again not limited just to the United States. And then we
also have this burgeoning artificial and intelligence technology that's being brought online very rapidly.
Now our world is being transformed at warp speed, and not in a good
way if you're a natural human being. And then there is also genetic engineering
and cloning technology going on. There are anecdotal stories from the Chrystal Tilton Dulce
based stories from years ago in nineteen eighties, for example, that allege there
are are the high techs underground laboratories as at Dulce. According to one iteration
of the Dulcet story in Dulce based story in which beings are cloned, Well,
we lost him for just a second there, and we're right at the
top of the hour. So if you'll hang on just one second, I'll
be calling him back. So hang on just one second. Then we'll be
right back right after the music break. If you're listening live, don't go
away, Richard, are you there? Hello, Hey, you're back.
I'm right here. Yeah, we're It is fading out a lot that time.
You just plain old went away. Now, I can't remember what you're
in the middle of at that point when when things went down, But well,
I was talking about the Los Almos. We stopped for music. Okay,
did you have more to continue on that or would you want to move
on to something else? Underground based at Dulce, New Mexico, allegedly operated
by the United States military and Little Gray Aliens. But I talked with Tilt
and Christa Tilted, and I found her account to be somewhat confused, as
yes, you know, I want to say that frequently. This happens when
I do interviews, when I begin talking about her sensitive topic Skype frequently pulls
the plug on the conversation. This whole this gets into the area of artificial
intelligence, and that the Internet is now wired in to AI, Skype,
Yahoo, Microsoft, Google, all of it, Apple, all of it
is wired in. It's a huge AI network, and I say, is
in it up to its eyeballs? Be that as it may. Getting back
to the alleged Dulcet base and talking with Krista Tilton, she did admit to
me that she didn't know where the base was. That when she was taken
there, she asked where she was and she was told the Dulcet base in
northern New Mexico. She assumed that that meant the town of Dulce, but
it need not mean that. It need only mean that she was told she
was at the Dulce base in northern New Mexico. And Dulce, of course
is a Spanish where Dulce simply means So they were telling her you're at the
suite base. Just it's gibberish almost when translated into English. I believe that
it's actually and I've been told by others at or near Los Alamos, and
in fact, my research suggest there is a serious underground component that Los Alamos.
Talk to one man, one engineer who told me he'd been there.
It didn't work there, but he'd gone there with an engineering colleague and actually
went into some of the underground facilities. His understanding was most of what happens
at Los Alamos takes place underground, and some of it is very deep underground.
His understanding was as much as one mile underground. And your listeners,
and you should understand that it is well within the state of the art of
modern civil engineering to work one mile under Sorry, listeners, if you're listening,
we have a little bit of an issue here. I was trying to
accept a phone call and it just didn't happen. So hang in there.
I'm going to try to figure this out. Hello, I'll be back.
Yes, So sorry about that. I guess I'm not able to take calls
on this show. And for some reason, I don't know what the issue
is. But when I add a call to our conversation, it's putting the
radio station and you Richard on hold for some reason. So I apologize anyone
that wants to call, and we should be all set next week. You
can ask your questions on the message board instead. And I apologize for that.
So no calls this week. Sorry about that, all right. So
I don't know how far you got before we found out that no one could
hear you. Well, I was talking about those alamos and how it goes
down. I've been told it goes as deep as one mile in the deepest
levels, and that most of what takes place there does take place underground.
Now, it's important to understand that the United States Department is the lead agency
in human genetics research in the world. That goes back to the early years
of the atomic weapons program, when it was understood that radio nuclides have an
impact on genetics, including human genetics that cause mutations in the genetic code.
And so from that time forward, the United States Department RGY has been massively
researching human genetics, the human genome, and so los Alamos is a great
center not just for nuclearpens's design and developments, but also for human genetic study.
I'm surmising that the Dulci stories of cloning, cloning of humans and hybridization
of humans uh and underground facility uh quite possible. Quite possibly. I actually
relate to those alamos and black budget human genetic research that's being carried out there.
I think that this whole thing has gotten so for out of control that
it's difficult for those of us who are on the outside trying to look in,
to even begin to grasp the immensity of what is going on. I
believe also that these all these programs and projects have so far escaped the bounds
of any kind of open oversight that at this point it's almost impossible to rein
them in. And God help us. I don't know where it's all going,
but I don't think it's going anywhere good because it's all so secretive,
so massively funded, so hush hush, so compartmentalized. I scarcely know what
to say anymore. Wow. I just sent a text message to my brother
in law because he worked at Los Alamos for twenty some odd years, to
ask him if he ever heard any stories about that. I'm waiting to hear
back from him. But you know, let's let's skip around you. Well,
you have to let me, let me, let me follow let me
follow up on your question to your sure, your your relative there. It
doesn't matter who he is. If he has a need to know, then
he will be on the inside of a compartmentized project. If he doesn't have
a need to know, he will know nothing about it. He won't know
the passwords, he won't know the project names. Those who are involved will
not speak to him about their work, and if he is involved, he
will not tell you either. Let me give an explanation. In my last
book, Hidden in Plain Sight Beyond the X Files, I discussed the book
by John Penya Craven called The Silent War. John Penya Craven was the lead
Navy's lead scientist during the height of the Cold War. PhD ocean geographer,
he was lead scientist tasked with developing, behind me, Rick Over and others,
a deep undersea capability, a capability for the Navy to work at great
depth up to twenty thousand feet underwater. And he did that. It carried
out that mandate. One of the points that he made in his book was
that there was a secret project called sand Dollar, which he uses as an
example, that had three layers of secrecy. Someone who worked in that program,
for example, might be outward laid an off on an American Navy nuclear
submarine. Within that job title, the officer, let's say, would sign
in to work on the submarine and then would go do something else that would
have a totally different duty task, and under that task there might be yet
a third embedded program with another name and another level of secrecy. And part
of the rules for this are that that officer would not tell anyone, even
including his wife, what he really did. Craven follows that up with another
example of going into a room that's literally like a bank vault to be briefed.
That's literal physical, physical compartmentalization. What I'm telling you is whether it
is your relative, your friend, your brother, or even your wife,
if they are in a compartmentalized program doing seriously secret work, they won't tell
you. You will not know, and they will lie to you. Well,
I did get any answer back from my brother in law. He just
said that there, let me just read it here, there are storage tunnel,
et cetera, underground, that's all he told me. Well that covered
that could be anything, and a storage tunnel can be that's true. In
fact, I got some minimal I did a freedom of information that request to
Los Alamos asking about underground facilities, and I got some minimal documentation back,
which even then, in the mid nineteen nineties, I knew did not begin
to cover the true extent of what is there. What I'm telling you is
that at a place like Los Alamos, there are compartments within compartments, and
if you're not on the inside of compartment, and it could be physical.
It could be you go into a room and your three doors, and maybe
you have the keys to one of the doors, but not to the other
two. What's behind the other two doors? You don't know, right,
And that's it works. It works at that level. I'll give you another
example. I was one guy told me that I've talked to all kinds of
people who've worked in facilities. One told me that some of these facilities will
disguise their air shafts, for example, in the silos on working dairy farms.
It's just one example. Of course, there are dairy farms all over
the country. Now that means that there are also some dairy farmers here and
there who know that the silos on their farms are not really real silos,
that they are air shafts and vents for secret underground bases, Which means that
there are farmers out there who are involved in these projects at least to some
degree. So you see how penetrated this society is, and how secret the
kinds of secrets that a lot of so called ordinary people have. How many
farmers are there out there whose farms lie over underground basis. I don't know,
but based on what I was told, some of them are. I
can give you another example, nice sight I believe in in my first book,
where you can actually design a barn, for instance, to conceal an
entrance to a secret underground base. And this has been done. It's a
great way to camouflage it. What I'm telling you is we live in an
unreal world. The I don't know any other way to tell you that it's
so fake, it's just so false. If somehow the scales could fall from
everyone's eyes simultaneously and they could see through all of these frauds and false fronts,
and this vast theft of multiple trillions and trillions of dollars from the global
economy, all of that, all the people walking around who are pretending to
be one thing, when in reality they are some of them, an unknown
large number of them, are involved, for example, with these secret underground
bases and say little or nothing about it. Do you see? You don't
even need deposit an alien presence on this planet to get into the realm of
bizarro world just using the technology, the social technology of extreme compartmentalization. Can
even imagine how many marriages there are where the husband doesn't really know what his
wife does professionally and vice versa. Okay, we have an unusual question up
on the message board. Do you believe that there was holographic technology being used
by the government in nineteen sixty eight, In other words, that they were
able to project close up images of UFOs were mistaken for the real UFOs nineteen
sixty eight nineteen seventy one. Do you know anything about that? No?
No, I don't know a lot about holographic technology. I read it by
it. I know the word. I know that there are people who work
on it, study it, develop it increasing as years go by. Is
this whole earth a sophisticated in holographic projection that we are trapped in in once
and it's so good that it fools almost everybody almost all of the time,
such that it's very difficult to escape its snares and liberate yourself mentally, spiritually,
and physically, if you will. I wouldn't rule that out as a
possibility. You know, the ancient stages in India talked about Maya the world
of illusion and what if that is far truer than than we know. Okay,
now I'm going to ask one more question about a base that someone asked
earlier, and then I want to go on a different topic. Someone wanted
to know about what you thought about Mount Weather. Well. Mount Weather is
a known major deep technically sophisticated base. It's been there for at least since
the nineteen fifties. It recently was run by FEMA. I guess the DHS
is probably in there now, but it is a big base. It's in
the Appalachian Mountains, about an hour's drive outside of Washington, d C.
In northern Virginia. It is run by the federal government. It's one of
the big, very highly secure command, control and communication facilities for the federal
agencies. It is part of the what's called the Continuity of Government arc of
underground facilities in the Mid Atlantic region of the United States. The miunderstanding is
it can accommodate at a minimum several hundred people in a buttoned up status for
a month or more. I'm guessing I know it's been enlarged and modernized over
the years. I couldn't say how many it could accommodate. Maybe a couple
thousand, or five or ten thousand, I don't know. It's a large
base. It's deep, it's sophisticated technologically, it's very highly secretive. I've
been to the front gate of that place, but I've never been in.
I don't have a security clearance, and exactly what happens in it, I
couldn't tell you. But it is a major known underground base. Wow,
Okay, now I wanted to We're going to go off topic here and talk
about some of the things that you write about, and one of them is
the sixth global extinction. What is your thoughts on that? Well, it's
underway. Conservation biologists and ecologists know that over the one hundreds of millions and
billions of years that the Earth has been here since biological life arose on the
Earth, there have been previously five great extinction events in which there were huge
global die offs of the flora and fauna of this plant it. The reasons
are not always well understood. However, the geological record is very clear that
this has occurred periodically. It's now occurring again for the sixth time in a
major way. While we may not know what the major calls or causes were
in the distant past, biological scientists can say what the cause is today.
It is, in the main the major damaging factor in the in the die
off of tremendous numbers of plants and animals on this planet. UH is a
human race. Our activities UH, industrial industrial activities, UH, primarily agricultural
activities. Genetic engineering now is playing a role our waste, all of the
crap we put in the oceans and into the air, and it's having a
real powerfully deadly effect on the Earth's ecology, on the Earth's biosphere. The
estimates are that in the last forty years, fifty percent of all the wildlife
on this planet has died off, and that if things continue the way they
are, we won't make it another half century. You know that the bees
are dying off. A lot of butterflies are dying, the amphibians are dying,
all kinds of toads and frogs and newts and salamanders. Right now,
the Pacific Ocean is dying. It seems. The major contributing calls is the
huge amount of radioactivity that continues to pour into the sea from the blown up
and melted down nuclear power reactors at Fukushima, Japan, which haven't been fixed
and evidently cannot be and will continue to poison the ocean for unknown thousands of
years to come. Yeah, we certainly haven't heard the last of Pukushima,
that's for sure. And the Amazon, the Amazon Forest is being cut down.
The great forests in tropical Africa and Central sol America, in Southeast Asia,
these huge, ancient tropical forests are being cut down. And of course
when you cut these forests down, not only do the trees die, but
all the animals and birds and reptiles and fish and insects that live in these
forests necessarily die as well. This is ongoing. I live in South America.
I've seen I've been in the Amazon region. I've seen what's going on,
and I've seen it change within the span of one year. You drive
down the road and you look, oh, look, they're just cleared ten
acres there to put up a soccer field and grandstand and parking area. Oh
and over there they cleared five areas five acres and they they plant of sugar
cane. And over there they cleared fifteen acres and they planted, you know,
it's a cattle pasture now. And this is happening all over the region.
So you add it all up and you have millions of people thinking,
well, you know, I'm just going to clear five or ten acres here,
I'm going to plant some bananas and some yucca, and I'm going to
graze some cattle here. And what's ten acres. Well, if you multiply
that by five million people doing the same thing, it turns out that that
ten acres is really fifty million acres. And that's how you lose the world's
largest tropical forest. And it is going, going, going, So we're
losing the world's great tropical forests. We're losing the Pacific Ocean. We're losing
frogs, salamanders, butterflies, bees, whales, on and on. Man,
the whole globally college is crashing mostly because of us. We are not
doing the earth thing well at all. And of course we are. Humanity
is an apex predator. We are at the top of the ecological food chain.
So it's like any other chain. As you start removing links, a
chain without links is not a chain. And that's what we're doing so,
we are destroying the food chain upon which we rely, and in doing that,
we are ensuring our own extension because we're poort of the biosphere on this
planet. And as we destroy the biosphere, we guarantee that the day is
coming when we won't be here because of bees and butterflies and frogs and whales
et cetera, et cetera. Cannot live on this planet. How will we?
Right? Right? Yeah, I think it is. I remember hearing
years ago that the amphibians would be kind of the first that you'd see the
big die off of because they're very susceptible and sensitive to the environment. Another
question I had, you wanted to talk a little bit, possibly about jade
Helm. Well, jade Helm, of course, is that the military exercise
being carried out states states of the United States, it seems in the south
and the southwest region of the country. The military has said very little about
what they're doing and why. The logo for the exercise says jade Helm mastering
the human domain and has a couple of crossed arrows, the sword and the
likeness of a wooden shoe in the middle of it. This has prompted a
lot of speculation, some of it very informed, well informed, and documented.
It does seem that Jade Home, at least in part, maybe in
large part, is designed to integrate artificial intelligence with military operations amongst the civil
society of the United States, going out among the civilian population, without however,
telling the civilian population what is going on and how it's being done and
why, and without permitting the news media to observe what the military is doing
and how and why and where and when. So the many questions about this,
and I'm back around to one of the premises I've made a touch point
of this conversation, and that is that because of the great secrecy, because
of the military's uncommunicativeness, I'm afraid that this thing is not being done for
the American people, but is being done to them. The American people are
not even being being given the explanation that a parent might give to a two
year old who asks why mommy. Uh. In other words, the American
people are being treated with contempt, not even worthy of being informed. Wow.
Yeah, well, uh, I know we're a bit off topic from
from the UFO, So I wanted to just well, well, I don't
I don't know let's let's back up there. I don't know that that's off
topic at all. All right, this, this ort, of this whole
push for artificial intelligence is not human, and which raised the question as to
why the human beings and positions of command and power want to turn over their
command structure, their human command structure, to an inhuman intelligence that immediately raises
and alarm bells for me and I think it should for everyone. It then
raises the issue as to whether the leadership structure in the country and in the
military or in league with something that's powerfully cunning and not human. Why are
they introducing non human intelligence into the human domain. Why would human beings do
that. I don't know the answer to that. I don't think it bodes
well at all, and I don't rule out that it could possibly be connected
with off planet intelligences not necessarily human and not necessarily biological or what we would
call created as opposed to artificially fabricated intelligences. I am not sure. But
what we are now well into an invasion by a machine like, very powerful,
non human machine like intelligence that does not have our best interest at heart,
because it has no heart, it has no soul, it has no
spirit, but it does have an agenda of subjugation and conquest. And look
around the planet and you see a planet that is reeling. You see a
planet that is under assault. You see a planet that, frankly is dying.
And I don't hear in the voice of the vast majority of the people
I speak with and understanding at all to the slightest degree of the dire predicament
that humanity in his planet are now in. People are assumming that things will
go on as they have in the past, that because today is tolerably similar
to yesterday, that tomorrow will also be not that much different from yesterday,
and that is by no means true or guaranteed. Yes, I'm sure you
heard of Elon Musk's quote that he claimed that AI will be the end of
us. All I agree, I think, And of course he's a high
level industrialist and financier. He moves in circles I've never been privy to.
So if he is saying a man like him is saying that much, imagine
what he must know. I'm guessing if that comment makes it into the headlines
and then mainstream news media that the reality is so much worse than that along
the lines of what I'm saying, and even more so, I know from
my research that this investigation into artificial intelligence has been going on for a long
time. And my understanding is that the you know, the early earliest computers,
electronic computers use vacuum tubes, and then transitsor just came along, and
then the printed circuit boards and micro circuits, and we entered the digital age.
The first computers I believe we're analog, and then we entered the digital
age and at digital supercomputers, and now the new generation of computers or quantum.
They do quantum computing, which is orders multiple orders are magnitude faster and
more efficient than these in the most powerful digital computers. A complex computation that
might take decades or even centuries can now be done in seconds or minutes by
the new generation of quantum computers. We have entered a new world which average
person scarcely comprehends. Elton Musk knows that as we get more and more plugged
in to these artificial intelligence networks, what if the network, or one of
the networks decides one day these biological bipedal organisms that are swarming over the surface
of the planet do not comport well at all with my machine agenda, and
so it then gives launch orders to nuclear missiles because it's plugged in to the
military command structure. I repeat, what is the American military doing right now?
According to researchers such as JD who has appeared and spoken about this at
length on the John B. Wells radio show Caravan at the Midnight, her
research indicates and she's got a lot of documentation artificial intelligence into its field operations
among the civilian population on the North American mainland. That's just the beginning.
So what happens when this AI that's being integrated right now into the military's operations
decides, well, okay, I'm in charge now. I don't need any
general to tell me what to do. I see what to do. More
than that, I see what must be done. Ano robots do God knows
what, etc. Etc. This is the premise of a movie like The
Terminate for example. And where did the creators, the creative entities behind the
Terminator movies get their ideas well? They just observed the trends in the military
industrial complex extrapolated out in the future twenty five or thirty years they saw where
was going, what was being set up, and you know what, We're
almost there. Well, do you think this also goes along with what people
are talking about the singularity. I don't know that's what Ray Kurtzwell is talking
about. Ray Kurtzwel is is Googles, is Google's AI transhumanist guru or lead
researcher. Ray Kurtzwel wants to merge with the machine. He wants to download
his brain into a supercomputer and become a cyborg. I think he is effing
crazy. I think he is barking mad. I think he is certifiably insane
and a dangerous man. Okay, I think I think in Elton Musk,
Elton, musk Elon, Yeah, Elon Musk pardon me, associates with people
like this because he works at a high level in industry, in finance,
and so he he knows people like Kurtzwell. And he is sounding an alarm,
that's saying, and he says to me forthrightly, WHOA, let's not
do this. It is extremely dangerous. That's the opposite, uh indication that
from what Ray Kurtzwell is saying. I listened to Musk, and I think
Kurtzwell is a dangerous being on the loose? Wow, what do you think
about Stephen Hawking? I don't know. How do you mean that? Well,
that's just a question up on the message board. What are your thoughts?
I don't know. I don't know how to answer because Stephen Hawking has
done and said so many things over the years, so I don't I don't
know how to respond to the question. Well, I know recently there he's
been in the news because a Russian. He's working with a Russian that came
up with one hundred million dollars to fund you know, like a SETI type
situation. I don't know if you followed that or not. No, I
I just don't know. The question has to be more specific. That's yeah,
they may they may come back, but sold they do. We can
go a little bit again off topic. One of the things you talked about
was the machine, and I have no idea what that is. Well,
you know, the reason I came to South America was to pursue a shamanic
vision quest, which I have done. I have now no un number of
shamans. The first shawman that I worked with was an Iowa s ghetto and
tabaccato, meaning the plants he works the most with, or ayahuasca and tobacco,
and I did a number of sessions with him with some other people as
well. One of the things that ayahuasca showed me was number one, how
fake this reality we're living in is you have to understand that the shamanic plants
are vastly conscious. We are taught in Western society that plants don't think they're
just kind of there. In fact, they're vastly aware and more aware than
the average human, far more aware. And what Aahuascar revealed to me a
serious of visions was the total fraudulent, false fakeness of this reality and system
in which we're immersed. It is a matrix and it's fake, up,
down and sideways. When Iowaska showed me that, I already knew a lot
of intellectually a lot of things, but it hit me with such emotional impact
that I was thinking, get out of here. You got to be kidding
me, You have got to be kidding me. It seemed like the most
horrendous, malevolent, practical joke, but with a real hard demonic edge to
it. And then the other thing that was showing me in in a variety
of ways over a period of a number of years. Now, is that
behind all of this false hijacking of reality, there's a false reality that's hijacked
real reality, if you will. And what it has done is put a
like a false facade over the whole planet and our perceptions, our society.
It's it's, it's, it's the project is is vast in scope and h
it's it has such a hard edge to it. It's ruthless, it's relentless.
It's cunning, it's kiving, conniving, it's terribly destructive, it is
subversive. It is One of my friends uh nailed it and in some of
her comments when she said, you know it. It appeals to to people's
worst motives, their their worst impulses and promising them everything and destroying them in
the process. And look around you and you see it happening in front of
your eyes. Someone keeps asking what is d M What is your take on?
Well, d MT is in everything. D MT appears to be a
hyperdimensional molecule biochemical molecule that facilitates communication with and perception with other realities and dimensions.
It is present evidently in every living biological organism. We have it in
our bodies. It's commonly found in plants and animals all over the world.
It's in ayahuasca, it's in the other shamanic plants like the sand pedro cactus,
the peotic cactus, the so called psilocybin marshrooms. You would find it
in pondiflora or malekawa. You would find it in yopo snuff that the shamans
here in South America use, and in other other living organisms plant now animal,
all over the world. I think DMT is a molecule that interfaces at
a deep level with our DNA. It's biochemically it's got a different structure than
DNA. But there are molecules in the biological realm, such as the DNA
molecule, and then of course the DMT molecule and some others that appear to
work synergistically in a hyper consciously way, not only in human beings but in
plants. And in the case of DMT and plants, it appears that and
other similar or related molecules that work together that they can have a pronounced consciousness
heightening or conscience and his consciousness deepening effect. DMT from my perspective is great
stuff. It's one of the things in our bodies and in the plants that
permits us to communicate with more profound, more sophisticated, more real layers of
reality, if you will. Wow, I had no idea what any of
that was, So that was really interesting. Now I do want to talk
a little bit about what started you down? I usually asked this in the
beginning of the show, But what started you down the path with looking into
all these different sort of like paranormal maybe a little or very interesting things like
the underground basis and things like that. What started you on it? Well,
it was more a question of the non ordinary. Were the real side
of reality coming to look at me rather than the other way around. It
started at the age of three, when an entity whom I called the Bone
Lady came to visit me. I was a sickly little boy in nineteen fifty
eight in Tidewater, Virginia. I almost died when I was a young child,
and I was out on there the screen porch with my brother one spring
day in nineteen fifty eight and playing. We were just playing simple little game,
sitting on the floor. I was three, he was about four and
a half years old, and my attention was suddenly drawn to a female entity
standing on the eaves of the house, peering over the gutter through the screen
at me. She had me right away. I just tuned in. She
downloaded a lot of information to me. She was tall, rather gaunt,
with the dark, long flowing garment female. I called her the bone lady
instinctively. You know, when you're three years old, you don't know that
many words. But I called her the bone lady. And my brother was
rivet did he? He didn't respond? For him, she froze him.
It was all for me, or maybe he was not open to it.
In any event, she downloaded a lot of information to me, some of
which I can discuss and will. The part I would discuss publicly is that
there are two parts of it. That a terrible, dark, grim time
was coming, was on the way of well and trouble, and sure enough
it is arriving already hear from the loty of people for the majority of humanity,
it's already here. And on the other hand, that it wouldn't necessarily
have to be that way, that I and other human beings have the capability
to greatly advance in consciousness and create a kind of a paradise here on earth.
We don't have to kill each other, we don't have to literally stab
each other and all these I mean, you read the news these days and
the horrific, god awful crimes, people just doing unspeakably vicious things, and
you just say, my god, what's going on? And that's what the
Bone Lady was revealing to me, that this terrible, demonic time was coming.
But it humanity has the possibility to do and to be so much better
than that. However we haven't. We're at the fork in the road,
and the Bone Lady laid it all right out for me. You know,
there's this ugly, hideous, ghastly road that you can go individually and as
a species, and if you do, God to help you, because hell
lies that way. On the other hand, you can decide to go the
other way and advance individually and as a species into very high levels of consciousness
and love and compassion and empathy and knowledge and wisdom, and in that case
your destiny will be wonderful. I mean, So it's for you to choose,
individually and as a species, as a global species, which do you
want? Do you want Hell or do you want paradise. It's your choice.
At this point, it seems like the group decision is tending more towards
Hell than to heaven because we are in big trouble. Wow, I would
tend to agree with you on a lot of that we have about I'd say
we have about five or six minutes left. So one of the things you
would like to talk about, I guess is false reality versus real reality.
That's exactly what I've been talking about. Humanity is chosen false reality. By
and large. I almost ran into a young woman on the sidewalk today.
She's walking down the sidewalk in the middle of a large city, people coming
and going behind, in front, on her side, and she's texting on
a handheld held cell phone or iPhone or something, and she's doing text messages.
You talk about false reality. She's oblivious to what's going on around her,
and she's in this digital technology, this little digital electronic device, all
wrapped up in this I saw a cartoon a day or two ago where there's
a long line of people and they've all got these little handheld electronic devices they're
texting on, and they're following one after the other. Off the edge of
a of a cliff. That's a good one. And you know, I
remember, even years ago, I watched a woman texting. It's like four
years ago. I was taking a bus from the airport and the woman was
right and stopped right in the crosswalk texting while the bus had to slam on
the brakes. It's unbelievable. Well, that's right. Every day people are
getting killed in traffic accidents because they're going down the Interstate Highway that's seventy five
miles per hour and they're not even watching the highway. They're text messaging.
They are so caught up in this little electronic reality in their hand that they
even ignore the world around them to the extent that they jeopardize, physically jeopardize
in real time their own life and the lives of others around them. They
real reality is not good enough. They've got to have this little technologic reality
that they hold in their hand. And what are they texting about? Yeah,
yeah, I'll meet you at the at the Olive Garden in fifteen minutes,
bam. And they never get there because they turn themselves in a Hamburger
three and a half seconds later. And I'm not exaggerating. It happens every
day, right right, humanity, humanity, we're making some some insane choices.
I have a cell phone, and most of the time, like ninety
nine point nine nine percent of the time, the battery's not they've been in
it. Oh purposely, I'm assuming. Well, of course I take the
battery out because it annoys the hell out of it. Yeah, there's a
there's a lot of talk about people people calling, people calling me, and
then I get I get bing bong, bing bong, and it's vibrating and
it says something like Jennifer Lopez is in Mexico City. Well, also,
it's not they don't even know what the cell phones, uh, you know,
are are doing to us that they only they've only been around for like
twenty something years, So the long term effects could actually be pretty bad,
you know. I mean, I know are way way off topic. No,
No, I don't think we're off topic. I don't know what our
topic is. Our topic is whatever we're talking about. Yeah, okay,
and so I don't feel compelled to say this is on topic and that's off
topic. You see, that's the that's the matrix right there, keeping you
inside inside the crowd. Don't don't get too close to the edge there.
You know, you might, you might, and I like it over there
is something something might happen that has never happened before, and that's how people
are are controlled. You know. The tendency is to go right to the
middle of the herd, because that's where it's secure. On the other hand,
if you have any interest in escaping, the only position from which you
can escape is the very edge of the herd, in other words, the
margins of the herd. In other words, if you want to escape,
pretty well, by definition, you have to become a marginalized person because you
cannot escape from the herd by burying yourself in the very center of the herd.
That's just along the short of it. Mm hm, we have a
we have just a minute left first, so can you tell the audience again
where they would find your your blogspot website. Absolutely, it's event Horizon Chronicle
dot blogspot dot com. That's event Horizon Chronicle dot blogspot dot com. My
books are listed in the right hand sidebar. You have but to click on
the covers. And my name is Richard Zewder s A U D E.
R. Very good Richard. It's been a. It's been a real pleasure,
very interesting, very interesting topics, that's for sure. You know,
you're right we did. When I call it off topic. You know,
mostly it's a UFO show. People come to listen to that. But I
think what we talked about was certainly fascinating enough. And how do we know
that we're not in a vast holographic program being broadcast from a giant UFO That's
right. Hey, well we got to go for now. So I want
to thank you very much, and I want to thank a couple of other
people out there. Peggy Shunning who's on the road right now. I want
to thank her for managing the Facebook page. Carrie Lloyd Whitehouse for the music.
Alejandro Rojas will be back with us next week, so no fear on
that. So this is Martin Willis saying, check us out next week on
the Dark Matter Digital Network right here at the same time, and keep your
eyes to the sky.