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And it hits me, Oh my
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know, there's explanation for everything that
occurred in the Randalchampars incident that doesn't involve

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aliens at all. It was completely
silent. It comes right over our heads.

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He's so Gothic. Vi Sorciat is
stunning into Cleary. He turned over

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to my father and held his hand, and he looked in his eyes and

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Well, hello everyone, and welcome
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willis your host, and we do
not have Alejandro Rojas coming up with the

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news. He's on a beach somewhere
in southern California as we speak. Well,

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our guest tonight is Richard Souder,
PhD, and we may get a

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little bit off of the UFO topic. We'll be talking about his books and

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a lot more. His books include
not especially in this order, but underwater

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and underground bases, Hidden in plain
sight and underground and so he'll be a

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really interesting guest coming right up.
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Well. Similar UFOs appear over Japan
and US cities and this was written

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by Lee Spiegel. Strange lights over
Osaka and Milwaukee both and they're very very

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similar. If you look at the
pictures, you can see the picture right

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on our show notes of how these
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Chinese laners, but they look kind
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them I think was really interesting because
the one in Milwaukee was videotaped and posted

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a Facebook and this was by a
Wisconsin police officer and it was right near

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Milwaukee in July twenty fifth and his
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and he and his partner saw these
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strange patterns before they eventually vanished.
And again Lee Spiegel wrote about that and

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Huffington Post and the next story I
wanted to talk about is UFO watching the

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Apollo landing. Even NASA won't say. NASA hasn't been able to explain why

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it looks like in an image that
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it looks like a piece of the
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some people are speculating it's a UFO. I think the unusual part of this

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whole thing is that NASA doesn't have
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looks like some type of anomaly could
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type of thing. It's awful hard
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picture. I hope you check it
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I think is really interesting as a
new cave was found with paintings that look

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like UFOs and look like Aliens.
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there's also some like ancient code and
that's ten thousand years old. They're speculating

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and if you look at those pictures, it looks just like a craft with

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a with like a beam coming down, and it sure does look a lot

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like aliens. I'm not really sure
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great article and you can see again
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so that is about it for what
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next week and we'll be doing the
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So our guest is upcoming, and
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know what, I'm not going to
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him right now, Richard Soud Are
you there? Thank you, yes,

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sir, I am, thank you
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So Richard, why don't you give
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not be familiar with who you are. Well. I am a native Virginia

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and I was born and reared in
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States back in the late fifties and
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I went on to work and live
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many other of the American States.
At present, I am living in a

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voluntary exile Ecuador. I would like
to remain here. I prefer to remain

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in Ecuador. I intend to remain
at any rate in South America. I

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do have some academic degrees. I
have a degree in sociology in Latin American

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studies in political science, and a
fourth degree in forestry and ecosystem management.

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I'm perhaps best known for my series
of little books on underground and underwater basis

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and tunnels, and in recent years
I have a blog called the Event called

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event Horizon Chronicle dot blogspot dot com. That's event Horizon Chronicle dot blogspot dot

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com. And my blog is very
widely read, more widely read than I

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would have expected when I started it, but there's quite an international following.

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In a very solid plug of thousands
of people in the United States also who

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read my blog. And that's a
little about me. Uh huh. Now

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to I get the hint that you
may becoming an ex pat, you may

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move to South America? Is that
what you just said? Much money?

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Without much money? And I have
very little money. Just to get rid

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of your United States citizenship costs a
few thousand bucks that I don't have,

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and then acquiring residency visa in another
country costs many more thousands of dollars that

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I don't have. So for want
of money, it's not a very feasible

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route for me unless and naturalize that
way. So far, I have not

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met the woman that I would prefer
to marry, and so I haven't pursued

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that avenue. There's more than one
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if I were financially able, I
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it is, I am making my
way with a very little scratch. It's

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been a struggle, but here I
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they pretty well read? You had
one? I saw you have some on

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Richard Dolan Press. Well, my
latest book, which came out in twenty

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ten, is Hidden in Plain Sight
Beyond the X Files, which deals with

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the underground and underwater base policy area
or reality, and that's with Richard Dolan

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Press. And then I have my
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and in my first little book is
called Underground Bases and Tunnels? What is

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the government trying to hide? And
those are being handled by Advantagures Unlimited Press

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in Illinois, and all of those
books can be accessed from my website.

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Those who go there can find the
book covers on the right hand sidebar and

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just click on them. Now,
one of the people I've wanted to get

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on the show for a long time, or someone I wanted to get on

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the show, I should say,
is someone that could talk about USOS,

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you know, the you know,
Unidentified submerged objects, because that's that's been

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kind of a fascination of mine.
And I'm sure with these underground basis is

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that any does any part of that
touch on the USO. Well, not

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directly, but you know, the
the book that it first attracted a lot

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of atension that subject was written by
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and was entitled Invisible Residents. He
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talk about the many unidentified submarine objects
that have been seen all over the world

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for years. One of the places
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that activity has been observed is in
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It's in it's I don't assume just
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from going into or coming from the
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that it must necessarily be an extraterrestrial
craft i e. And interplanetary UFO or

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something like that. It could quite
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States military Industrial Complex, among others. In the case of Lake Erie,

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the geology under a lot of that
area under the Great Lakes region is actually

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pretty favorable for tunneling and making underground
installations. That is, and also underwater

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beneath the Great Lakes themselves. That
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deeply buried rock salt in that region, and a lot of it lays Lake

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Erie area. It also extends over
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built over a mass of very deep, underground working salt mine that's been down

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there for the better part of a
century now. In case the lake yrie.

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There are actually mines that go offshore
under the lake bed and the shafts

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are sunk down and then the tunnels
go out. I think in the Cleveland

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area there's a facility facility like that, and one or two others on the

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shore of Lake Erie there in Ohio. And what I'm telling you is,

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you don't need to have extraterrestrial interplanetary
interplanetary technology to mc tunnels and openings that

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would be capable of accommodating human beings, for example, and a breathable atmosphere.

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You can do it with off the
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in fact, that was done and
those mines are there. So it could

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be that either the military, United
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or corporation made facilities under Lake Erie. Now I believe the stories that I've

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been told about objects coming and going
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that i've in t Sanders and mentions
this in his books Residents. This activity

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has been going on for years.
It's not just a one time thing.

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I strongly suspect there are facilities beneath
the lake bed of Lake Erie, down

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in the sub lake bottom geological strata. Exactly who is down there and exactly

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what they are doing, I do
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the geology is favorable for tunning their
tunneling there. Rock salt is comparatively easy

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to excavate and tunnel out, and
in the case of a covert government operation,

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they could just take the rock salt
and sell it on the market through

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a front company and recoup some money
or on a few million dollars of extra

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black funding. So that wouldn't be
difficult to dofulness standpoint of modern mining technology

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or civil engineering technology. And the
same goes for the Detroit area and running

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over underneath the Shreither large region in
that port of North America. Now I

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remember hearing something about some type of
base or yeah, I mean it was

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talked about a lot off of the
coast of Florida. Has any of your

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research looked into any anything about that, in particular? Which coast you're talking

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about, the Atlantic Coast to the
Gulf Coast. I thought it was the

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Atlantic Coast, but I'm not sure
toward Bermuda or something. Well, if

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it were toward Bermuda, that would
be actually further off than just a continental

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shelf Bermuda is about what four hundred
miles off the coast, It's seven hundred

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miles out to sea that whole area. Though, whether you're talking about the

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continental shelf of North America or on
the other side of the Florida Peninsula and

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the Gulf, the technology certainly exists
to make underground or undersea facilities. I

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talk about this in my second and
third book on this topic, in Underwater

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An Underground Basis, and then in
Hidden in Plain Sight Beyond the X Files.

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The technology to do this has been
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sixties. I was told by one
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after the nine to eleven attacks in
two thousand and one, but before that

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happened, he was telling me about
a installation that Parsons has ostensibly made in

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the Gulf of Mexico. He believed
it was in a somewhere in the eastern

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or northeastern Golf of Mexico. He
worked with a mining company that provides a

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certain kind of life support system that
is only used in deep underground excavations.

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In the case of this particular project, he was told that the equipment was

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for use in a facility in the
northeastern Gulf of Mexico or the eastern Golf

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of Mexico. And because that equipment
is only used in a deep underground hard

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rock mining environment, he knew that
it had to be used in a subseafloor

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type of environment because the project was
in the Golf of Mexico, not near

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to it, but in the Gulf
of Mexico. Now the technology to tunnel

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out under the seafloor from on shore, or to tunnel out under the sea

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floor from an island, whether it's
a natural island like Bermuter where the Bahamas

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through the has been around for a
long time, or alternatively, to cut

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a large diameter borehole right in the
seafloor and then sink a large stainless steel

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sealed tank or pipe into that.
It would be large diameter eight ten twenty

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feet across into that with an air
lock on it, seal it in there

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with rapid setting cement, and then
through the air lock evacuate all the water

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that was inside the tube and introduce
a bateable atmosphere. Then you can,

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through the airlock put in a crew
of miners, and also you can put

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in machinery to excavate under the seafloor
with and from the bottom then of that

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tube, which could be fifty feet
long or one hundred feet long, however

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long you wanted to be, you
could have living quarters inside it and life

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support systems. But from the bottom
of that then you could tunnel out and

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begin to make a network, and
over time you could expand it, keep

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bringing down more machinery, more personnel, and given even the technology that existed

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decades ago, you would have been
able to make a tunnel system beneath the

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seafloor many miles long in just a
few years now. This is all discussed

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in a document that I obtained from
the United States Navy that came out of

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the China Lake Naval Weapons Station in
nineteen sixty six titled the Rock Site Concept

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rock s Ite, and the idea
was exactly what I've explained. Under the

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Rock Site conscept, the plan was
to build very large, very deep,

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manned installations beneath the sea floor,
including well out to see, I mean

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hundreds of miles out to see,
in which submarines, actual ocean going military

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submarines would come in and dock.
Had berths inside these facilities, and the

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crews would then have areas for rest
and recreation where they could live and work.

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The illustrations that I came across in
my research and dedicated that these facilitiesies

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were going to be designed to accommodate
four or five six large military submarines at

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a time, and they would come
in through huge underwater airlocks, which would

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be they'd have to be about one
hundred feet in diameter, and then the

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submarines would come through there and would
dock way down beneath the ocean. And

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also the Stanford Research Institute came out
with a very similar R and D or

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planning document just two or three years
after that, expanding on that concept a

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little bit. And in these documents
there were a number of purposes given for

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these facilities. Of course the military
purpose undersea submarine bases and also undersee nuclear

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missile bases where the nuclear missiles would
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weigh down there thousands of feet and
the seafloor, or as scientific research stations

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for oceanography, for geology, for
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that you could do in that environment. Or alternatively as industrial facilities, for

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example, as geothermal power plants,
or as potentially as mines. You know,

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you might run across rich deposits of
anything, gold, platinum, diamonds,

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whatever. The sea floor is quite
rich in mineral resources, or petroleum

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wells, oil wells down in these
facilities, down beneath the sea floor where

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oil could be drilled away from the
harsh undersea environment and then the pipeline and

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siphon off the petroleum. So everything
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facilities have been built and a strongly
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I've been told that some of these
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there do seem to be some off
planet groups coming here. They may or

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may not be human, but it
does appear some of them look pretty human

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and for whatever reason, have set
up shop down way beneath the See for

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one thing, you get a whole
lot of physical physical security by doing that,

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and only those with advanced technology that
enables them to sail around thousands of

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feet beneath the sea surface could come
calling. So so it's a little bit

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of an introduction to that. Thank
you, your your mic is cutting out

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a little bit here and there,
but we're moving along because there's really nothing

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we can do at this point about
that. Pardon me, but what would

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be the advantage of having these underground? You did mention a possible geothermal power

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plant, but I mean, what
would be the advantage for submarine basis so

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they wouldn't have to surface or what
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know, And the documentation that I
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would want to have undersea submarine basis. One reason that was given, which

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I mentioned, was to put nuclear
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I believe that it may have been
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Another reason that was mentioned in literature
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basis or acoustic listening basis where they
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of other countries, for example,
or ship traffic, or I would presume

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probably also on UFO traffic, since
there seemed to be a number of UFOs

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coming and going from the oceans and
seas of this planet. So that those

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are the things that I saw explicitly
mentioned not the uf faux port, but

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to have underwater acoustic or listening stations, and also the idea of stationing nuclear

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missile basis that great depth beneath the
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I think that may have been done. I do believe that in the case

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of basis for submarines, that it
could give an extra layer of security to

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have some shall we say, off
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to secret underground basis, under sea
basis, and they're off the books and

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they go quiet for long periods of
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They're actually buttoned up inside an under
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that that is going on, but
I'm not an insider, so I couldn't

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say for sure. Uh huh.
Now what about underground? Before I move

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on, there was something that came
up on the message board, and there's

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another radio host that claims there's this
deep, massive underwater base somewhere off the

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coast of California. You need not
mention the host. I don't. I

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don't. I don't think much of
the so called shall we say in quotation

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marks research that's behind that claim.
I perceive I perceive that as pretty well

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grade a disinformation. Whether willful or
just down home not knowing much what you're

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doing, I couldn't say, but
I've looked at those some of the images

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that have been posted to the Internet. It's allegedly off of Malibu. How

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very southern California can you get?
But to me it just looked like ordinary

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geological features. I didn't run.
I didn't run across any reference to that

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in my research. I would,
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the possibility of undersea facilities off the
coast of California. However, the areas

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that I would look at in particular
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Long Beach area, and then going
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and San Diego. Those would be
the three places that I would most strongly

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suspect underground bases in the California region. Now, but this thing that's allegedly

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off of Malibu, oh no,
I don't think so. I'm from Missouri

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on that one. You have to
show me, and the alleged proof that

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put out been put out on the
internet, I'm sorry, it is not

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proof of an undersea base. There
it just isn't. Yeah, okay,

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just for the live listener. If
you'd like to call in the show and

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ask a question, that's six O
three nine six seven four oh three ohero.

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If you'd like to jump in the
chat room, that's right on PODCASTUFO

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dot com. A real easy sign
in for that. Here's a question on

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the message board. What is your
belief regarding Philip Schneider's claim to the underground

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base at DULCI. Well, let
me talk about Philip Schneider a little bit,

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since he talked about me a little
bit before he died. Uh I

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did. I did speak with Philip
Schneider on the phone, and I told

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him, frankly, you know,
the claims that you're making are what you're

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saying. I need to see some
some proof. You say you were involved

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in these projects for years. Show
me some evidence of that. You must

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have some evidence. So he said, yeah, I'll send you a box

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of evidence, the documentation, and
he never did. I never received anything

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from him. I believe I talked
to him twice, three times at the

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most, but I think it was
two reasonably long phone conversations. He never

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sent me anything, and then he
turned up dead the other thing about that

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is, before he died, he
was publicly saying that rich Chud Souder,

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a PhD architect who worked on the
underground facilities, was risking something his life

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for his well being or whatever to
talk about these things and clearly referring to

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me. But in the account that
he gave that's out on the internet,

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my last name is misspelled, My
personal credentials are are badly misrepresented. I

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don't have a PhD in architecture.
I've never had any involvement with the field

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of architecture professionally academically, I don't
have any qualification in the field, never

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worked in the field, So that
is just flat wrong, and my name

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is misspelled. And then the other
thing is he says that I worked on

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these projects, and that is also
flatly false as well. I have researched

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the topic, but I've never worked
on those projects. I've never been any

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kind of insider. I've never been
in the alphabet soup or worked for the

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corporations involved. So what I'm telling
you is if he could get my basic

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personal and professional details so wrong after
talking with me on the phone two times

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at some length, then how are
we to believe other more sensational claims of

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his. I've found him to not
be thinking clearly at all now, and

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then he died. So what I'm
telling you and your listeners is flesh and

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blood person. I'm not a mysterious
underground base or an elusive alien race here

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to do god knows what. I'm
a flesh and blood man. I'm walking

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around and living my life like everyone
else in the middle of society and have

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been for decades. So if he
could get my basic biographical and professional details

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so wrong, then I have doubts
as to most to the rest of his

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story. Now people will say,
but he's got burned, he had burns

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on his chest. I never saw
his chest, But giving that part of

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the story the benefit of the doubt, let's say he had burns on his

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chest or elsewhere on his body.
Please understand that there are many ways in

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this world to get burned, and
one of the least likely ways to get

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burned is being shot in the chest
by an alien with some star trek raygun.

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It's guys get burned all the time
working on projects in the shop,

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or and taking a blow torch to
the oil pan on their car. Some

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you know, fixed gold ideas they
have. I mean, you might say,

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no, one's that dumb to do
that. Well, I'm telling what

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happens every day. I've worked in
industry where I worked with blow torch within

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a settline torch, and I was
really careful. I never got badly burned.

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A few sparks and that's it.
But when you're working with the settling

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torches, with arc welders, with
that kind of thing, you can't get

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burned in pretty badly. It's not
that hard to happen. So I don't

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know how Phil Schneider got burned,
if indeed he was. And as for

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the rest of his story, the
same thing goes just because he very melodramatically

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said in the months and a couple
of years before he died that you know,

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I worked on a deep underground base
in Dulsa in New Mexico, and

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you know I was in a firefight
with these little aliens and blah blah blah.

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I've never seen any proof of that
beyond Phil Schneider's say, so,

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right, Yeah, there was a
lot of controversy about that being some disinformation

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as well, the Paul Benoitz case
and all that. I don't know if

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you ever. Yes, Paul Benott's
case is very part of that whole disinformation.

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Paul Bennett Benowitz was set up by
Richard Dodi and other Air Force intelligence

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operatives at Kurland Air Force Base in
New Mexico. Right. I did have

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some contact with the Benowitz family,
know his his his laboratory, Thunder Laboratory

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Thunder Labs, was right by the
gate of Curland Air Force Base, and

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I I used to live out there
in Mexico. So I went to the

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laboratory and talked with his son.
The son was very evasive by that time.

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Paul was not very communitytive. He
was still alive, but uh,

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he was badly burned mentally and emotionally
and psychologically by that whole episode. And

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he actually they produced produced a map
or two of the area just north of

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Dulce, the artillated Mason Peak area, and it is an anatoted annotated with

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his markings geological survey, topo map, topographical map. So I got a

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really good, high quality topographical map
of that area, and following to the

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contour line precisely the markings that he
had made, I went up there and

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I climbed the place and I walked
all over. None of what he had

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indicated on the map was there.
You know, ufo, hangar, doors,

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ventilation shaft, this and that other
thing. None of it was there.

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I did see a great number of
perfectly ordinary rocks and pine trees.

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That whole there's something really aery about
that area of New Mexico. Did you

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feel that when you were there,
Well, it's called the whole state is

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called the end of Enchantments. There
are underground bases in New Mexico. There

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are at least two on the Kirkland
Air Force Base, Sandy National Laboratory and

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Loveless. There's a Loveless medical clinic
there. Who does They do medical research

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there? Biomedical research? And God
knows the fact that it's right there with

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Sandy a National lab and Kirkland Air
Force Base immediately suggests to me that they

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do black budget research for the military
industrial complex. And then you also have

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the Monsano Mansano Underground Facility, which
was begun in the late nineteen forties initially

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as an underground at atom bomb assembly
factory. They actually put atom bombs together

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down there. In the early years
the Cold War was a great center for

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building adam baumbs in the first generation
of nuclear bombs. Of course, you

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still have Sandy National Laboratory there in
Los Alamos National Laboratory just to the north

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to there in the Hems Mountains,
and they're both still very actively involved in

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those kinds of research and design and
much more besides. But at that complex,

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just to the southeast of Albuquerque,
New Mexico, there is a serious

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underground component. It has been for
many years. I talked to one expert

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who when I say expert, I
mean someone who really really knows the field

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from the inside. And what I
was told is that the Monsonal underground base

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is vast. I'm not saying it's
big. I'm not saying it's charge.

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He told me it was vast.
Now I'm prepared to believe that means that

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it sprails from miles. Maybe my
impression is, you know, twenty thirty,

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forty fifty miles. It's multiple levels. I couldn't tell you what's down

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there. I just couldn't. I
think we're talking about tangential, comportmentized society

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that exists on our home planet about
which we know practically nothing. The few

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crumbs I found in my research,
I'll actually qualify that as saying, the

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many crumbs informational crumbs and crumbs of
documentation that I found in my research clearly

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review that there's been a seventeen year
long program now of major underground and it

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seems under see construction as well.
And yet we don't know what's happening down

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there. I suppose we might know
one percent. Yeah, it's so massively

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funded, so secretive, so large, so high tech. God knows we

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we we are being played. That's
what I'm telling you. We are being

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played, and we don't even know
how badly. I've heard, you know,

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rumors of the black budget being like
this massive amount of money that goes,

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you know that it disappears, and
no one knows exactly where it goes.

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So yeah, it's it's it would
be hard to figure that out.

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I wanted to There's a couple of
questions up. I want to get to

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him in just a second. There's
one back here wondering if what we do

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know is that true? True?
Are you there? I could not hear

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you. Can you restate the question? Please? Okay, you dropped out

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One of the questions up on the
message board. They wanted to know what

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you thought about an underground base at
Area fifty one. Sure, I think

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Nevada has all kinds of tunnels beneath
it. An Area fifty one is one

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of those places, but not only
Area fifty one. I think it's a

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following naval air station, which is
in the northern part of the state.

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And then you have S four.
You have Nellis Air Force Base, and

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other facilities here and there around the
state. Nevada is Mexico. It's tonn

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It has a lot of military and
government facilities, and we don't know what

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they're doing. I think something like
ninety percent in Nevada is controlled by federal

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agencies, including large chunks by the
Pentagon and the Department of Energy, which

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work very closely together. I have
been told anecdotally that there are massive tunnels

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running out between Nevvada and the desert
areas in California. I listen to those

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stories with interest. I can't prove
them. No one is not on the

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inside has information about that stuff.
So if you're not one of those compartmentalized

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need to know projects, you don't
have firsthand knowledge of them. However,

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if you are on the inside of
one or more of those compartmentalized need to

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know projects, you cannot talk about
what you know and about what you do,

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00:42:04,679 --> 00:42:08,360
So in some ways, people like
me are the closest you get to

407
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:16,559
finding out about that short of signing
your life away and going into that world,

408
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:22,639
which I am not willing to do. But I take seriously these stories

409
00:42:22,679 --> 00:42:30,760
I've been told about of massive facilities
beneath California Nevada. You know, they

410
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:36,599
are huge, wide open areas of
California that are extremely sparsely populated. You

411
00:42:36,639 --> 00:42:42,119
see practically no one when you go
out there, and the same as true

412
00:42:42,119 --> 00:42:45,760
of Nevada. Once you get outside
of Reno in Las Vegas, the rest

413
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:51,760
of Nevada is pretty empty. Actually
most of it is extremely empty. The

414
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,599
realtion, I believe at least a
lot of it is going on underground.

415
00:42:58,159 --> 00:43:04,840
And for the purpose of being underground? Would that be just for secretive purposes?

416
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:15,639
Is that what you're imagining? Multiple
purposes? Secrecy of course, see,

417
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:20,360
Well, that's one reason. The
secrecy, of course means that if

418
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,639
you're out of sight, out of
mind, out of you can con see

419
00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:27,599
what you're doing from others. What
people don't see they tend not to know

420
00:43:27,639 --> 00:43:30,920
about, not to think about.
But you would also have physical security by

421
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:39,039
being underground, and you limit the
access to these hotilltities, and so you

422
00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:45,239
can carry out your projects with more
security. I mean, if it's a

423
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:51,239
weapons project or if you're interfacing with
aliens, as I believe is happening in

424
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:55,639
some cases in some of these facilities, then you would be able to keep

425
00:43:55,880 --> 00:44:05,840
the idly curious general public away.
Other reasons would be for command role and

426
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:10,719
communication facilities for government, for the
military, for industry other regions. Other

427
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:19,360
reasons for some of these facilities as
the storage of commodities or the storage of

428
00:44:19,639 --> 00:44:28,679
archival records government and industry produced.
Reams of records for computing facilities are underground.

429
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:34,880
One of the most famous ones it's
publicly known as at least semi publicly

430
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:42,239
known, is beneath the NSA headquarters
in Laurel, Maryland. And then if

431
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:52,480
the stories believe, there are also
highly secret transportation nodes and transportation networks underground

432
00:44:52,559 --> 00:44:59,000
for use not by the general public
but by this very secretive, highly compartmentalized

433
00:44:59,039 --> 00:45:05,320
world military industrial espionage complex. So
those are some of the reasons. I'm

434
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:09,599
I'm sure there must be others.
Do you know anything about Pine Gap in

435
00:45:09,639 --> 00:45:20,960
Australia, Well, you know it's
real. It's it's a large facility,

436
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,840
high tech, very deep. It's
in the region in the area of the

437
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:30,280
small town of Alice Springs, which
which is out in the Australian outback,

438
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:36,559
almost exactly in the geographic center of
of of Australia. It's way out there,

439
00:45:37,559 --> 00:45:45,119
and that part of Australia is like
Nevada and those areas of California.

440
00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:50,559
It's very thinly populated. There's almost
almost no one out there now. The

441
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:58,079
facility at Pine Gap is an American
facility, notwithstanding that it is located in

442
00:45:58,119 --> 00:46:02,199
the middle of nowhere, in the
middle of Australia. It is controlled by

443
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:07,559
the Americans and not by the Australians. It is run by the Americans and

444
00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:14,320
not by the Australians. The NSA
has a major presence at Pine Gap,

445
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:19,239
I believe based went up based on
what I read that the CIA is there

446
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:24,760
to a degree, and also the
National Reconnaissance Office and perhaps other agencies and

447
00:46:25,039 --> 00:46:30,639
organizations that we don't know about.
But it's been there for many years.

448
00:46:30,119 --> 00:46:38,840
Its ostensible public function is as a
satellite down link or uplink. You know,

449
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:44,559
the Americans have a lot of spy
satellites and sort of the British and

450
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:51,079
they have ground stations where they communicate
with their spy satellite network, and that's

451
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:58,960
one of them. It's in the
Southern Hemisphere, and so it has a

452
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,679
strategic location on the other side of
the planet from the United States, in

453
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:07,519
the Southern Hemisphere. It's a working
base, it's a high tech base.

454
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:12,320
It's very secretive. The stories about
it are that it has deep underground levels,

455
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:17,840
massive deep underground levels, and I
believe those stories. Uh huh.

456
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:22,840
One of the things that has come
up earlier in one of my shows was

457
00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:30,960
Right Patterson Air Base that there's a
massive underground facility there. Did you look

458
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:36,079
into that one? Well, from
what I've seen, yes, of course.

459
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,280
Right Patterson is an Air Force base
in Ohio. It's been there for

460
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:45,920
many years. The story, the
Roswell story, at least in some of

461
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:52,519
it, some of the iterations goes
that the little alien bodies and some of

462
00:47:52,559 --> 00:48:00,280
the UFO debris collected from so called
UFO crash at Roswell, which was not

463
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:07,519
at Roswell, was not at Roswell, one crash of one of one craft.

464
00:48:07,639 --> 00:48:16,880
But Right Patterson is often put into
that story as an important element because

465
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:22,760
it was for a long time a
base where the Air Force analyzed and did

466
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:30,239
reverse engineering on foreign technology. I
suppose you have full technology would qualify as

467
00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:37,599
foreign technology. And then of course
there are stories about underground tunnels and work

468
00:48:37,639 --> 00:48:44,480
areas at Right Patterson, and I've
read some of that information. I think

469
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,440
they've been there for a long time. I don't know how deep the stuff

470
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:57,840
at Right Patterson goes. Listen,
at any American military installation, you're quite

471
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:05,480
likely to have one or more underground
facilities. I say that because the black

472
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:10,119
budget is so huge, running into
the trillions of dollars. The document trail

473
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:21,840
I found is so extensive, indicating
ongoing military interest in underground tunnels and bases

474
00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:29,119
over a period of decades, and
the secrecy and compartmentalization in the black budget

475
00:49:29,159 --> 00:49:36,559
world of the military industrial complex is
so extensive that I don't roll out at

476
00:49:36,639 --> 00:49:44,039
any American military facility the possibility of
a serious underground component, no matter how

477
00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:51,360
shabby and rundown things may look on
the surface, that is what my research

478
00:49:51,960 --> 00:50:00,719
strongly indicates, and so there could
be a major deep underground facility Right Patterson.

479
00:50:00,159 --> 00:50:10,320
The documentation I have seen suggests more
modest more shallow shaw shallower close to

480
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:15,199
the surface tunnels and work areas.
But you know that was from stuff from

481
00:50:15,199 --> 00:50:22,119
decades ago, and the technology that's
around today permits construction at a very deep

482
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:29,840
level. So I wouldn't rule anything
out where Right Patterson is concerned, or

483
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:37,079
any other American military facility. Right
It's amazing these machines they have for actually

484
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:43,360
tunneling underground that can be sixty feet
wide I think it is, and it

485
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:47,119
can go through bedrock anything. Pretty
amazing what they can do right right now.

486
00:50:49,679 --> 00:50:57,079
Yes, the largest of these machines
are just gargantuan. Their breathtakingly huge,

487
00:50:57,079 --> 00:51:00,599
and it's hard to believe that machines
with that power, with thousands of

488
00:51:00,599 --> 00:51:06,599
horsepower can just chew their way through
solid rock hundreds or even one thousand,

489
00:51:06,679 --> 00:51:12,000
two thousand and three thousand feet underground, But that is the state of the

490
00:51:12,079 --> 00:51:17,559
technology and has been for decades now. You could even come in from miles

491
00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:23,360
away. It could be that there
would be just using Right Patterson as one

492
00:51:23,679 --> 00:51:30,800
hypothetical example, since I've never been
underground beneath the right Edison and am highly

493
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:36,840
unlikely ever to go underground beneath the
Right Patterson. Air Force base. But

494
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:45,559
if you want to make a serious
tunnel network beneath the right patterson, you

495
00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:50,039
wouldn't have to start tunneling right there. You could if you wanted to.

496
00:51:50,119 --> 00:51:54,400
You could tunnel in from twenty miles
away or fifty miles away, and no

497
00:51:54,480 --> 00:52:01,159
one would be the wiser. Right
a question up on the message board,

498
00:52:01,159 --> 00:52:07,440
do you think any of the bases
could function as protected spaces and anticipation for

499
00:52:07,559 --> 00:52:15,559
earth disasters? No, these facilities
are not intended for the and me.

500
00:52:16,559 --> 00:52:22,039
They are intended for use by the
military industrial complex and others. There really

501
00:52:22,119 --> 00:52:30,199
is no civil defense provision in this
campaign. You are dealing with the comportmentalized

502
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:37,000
parallel reality there. That is does
not have your best interest at heart.

503
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:42,119
And I say that or mine,
because it is sucking money out of the

504
00:52:42,159 --> 00:52:45,280
economy by the trillions of dollars,
money that we all need and could use

505
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:52,360
for all kinds of things productive uses. So right there, we are being

506
00:52:52,639 --> 00:52:59,159
robbed without our consent. Robbery is
always a crime. It's always a violation

507
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:06,119
of the other parties dignity, human
rights, and civil liberties. And so

508
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:10,760
the fact that a massive crime is
being committed against us without our permission right

509
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:15,320
there tells you that what is being
done is not being done for us,

510
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:23,000
but is being done to us.
Well, I think earlier someone said that

511
00:53:23,079 --> 00:53:30,559
Rumsfield said that there was two point
three trillion dollars missing from the federal budget

512
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:37,800
back in two thousand and one.
Have you followed that type of missing figures

513
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:44,840
along the way here, Well,
you can't find out where that money went.

514
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:49,280
What you have to do is rely
on what you can find in open

515
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:54,519
literature and the newspapers and books and
documents and journals and so forth, professional

516
00:53:54,599 --> 00:54:01,280
journals. At that time, I
was talking about two point three trillion dollars

517
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:07,199
of spending that the Pentagon accountants could
not account for. Now, just you

518
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:14,280
try that excuse in your personal financial
affairs. You know, you know it's

519
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:19,199
true. There's eighty six thousand dollars
missing here and the figures don't add up.

520
00:54:19,199 --> 00:54:22,360
But I'm on it. I'll let
you know as soon as I have

521
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,840
an answer for what's going on here, which has been the Pentagon's way of

522
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:30,760
handling this, Only it's so much
worse. We're talking about multiple trillions,

523
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:37,480
and that was fifteen years ago.
We do know that it's gotten even worse.

524
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:42,519
And I'll tell you how you can
look at. It's not limited to

525
00:54:42,559 --> 00:54:45,280
the Pentagon. The Pentagon is just
one appendage of what is going on.

526
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:52,480
This is actually a global program.
Something real big is going on on this

527
00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:57,360
planet, beneath this planet, and
above this planet, or off this planet.

528
00:54:57,599 --> 00:55:01,320
It's costing trillions of dollars. When
you see that the Federal Reserve Bank,

529
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:09,800
for example, is undertaking what it
caused quantitative easing. What that means

530
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:16,920
is it is creating money out of
thin air by the trillions, and it

531
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:24,280
is funneling it too large fortune five
hundred companies on Wall Street, to stock

532
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:32,239
brokerages, to major banks in the
United States and in other countries around the

533
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:39,960
world, and none of this is
being accounted for. Representative Alan Grayson,

534
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:46,280
who has been in the in the
Congress United States Congress in recent years,

535
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:57,559
has in congressional hearings quized high ranking
United States Federal Reserve Bank officials about this.

536
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,639
I've written about this on my blog
and a couple of my blog postings.

537
00:56:02,119 --> 00:56:08,679
In one case, he was grilling
the Inspector General for the Reserve,

538
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:17,800
who's, you know, investigating the
spending of the Federal Reserve falls under a

539
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:23,480
purview and she played ignorance there were
a number of trillions of dollars that she

540
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:28,960
could not account for in congressional testimony, and essentially was telling the congressman,

541
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:34,360
you know, I don't have those
details immediately to hand in front of me

542
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,159
right now, but let me get
back to you. Well, let me

543
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:42,840
tell you. If it's a question
of trillions of dollars being spent, wouldn't

544
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:46,119
you be able to say something about
it. I mean, you can tell

545
00:56:46,119 --> 00:56:51,119
me if you spend twenty dollars for
something, what you spent it on.

546
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:58,960
And here trillions of dollars, literally
trillions of dollars on the Fed's balance sheet.

547
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:04,320
We're being were under discussion and he
was querying her about it, and

548
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:09,760
she had no answer. That's how
opaque the system is. And I'm suggesting

549
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:17,480
to you that if a sitting United
States congressman and sworn congressional testimony cannot get

550
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:23,280
a straight answer, just consider how
much harder it is for someone like me

551
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:34,719
and other researchers like me. We're
up against something huge that's hard to research,

552
00:57:35,079 --> 00:57:39,039
it's hard to understand. But what's
clear is that trillions of dollars are

553
00:57:39,119 --> 00:57:45,199
being sucked out of the system in
the United States and around the world.

554
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:51,519
It is not being put to productive
use in the so called brick and mortar

555
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:55,679
economy, it's not being This vast
sum of money is not being put to

556
00:57:55,719 --> 00:58:04,320
productive use or any visible use at
all in the realm in which ordinary people

557
00:58:06,239 --> 00:58:09,199
live their lives, by one hundreds
of millions in bands. So where is

558
00:58:09,239 --> 00:58:15,400
it going. Obviously somewhere else.
It's going somewhere else, It's doing something

559
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:23,840
else. My research shows what one
of those things must be demonstrably must be,

560
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:30,599
and that is underground and underwater tunnels
and bases. There's also a growing

561
00:58:30,639 --> 00:58:37,840
body of research that strongly points in
the direction of one or more secret space

562
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:43,760
programs, and again not limited just
to the United States. And then we

563
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:51,679
also have this burgeoning artificial and intelligence
technology that's being brought online very rapidly.

564
00:58:51,719 --> 00:58:55,960
Now our world is being transformed at
warp speed, and not in a good

565
00:58:55,960 --> 00:59:01,880
way if you're a natural human being. And then there is also genetic engineering

566
00:59:04,039 --> 00:59:13,320
and cloning technology going on. There
are anecdotal stories from the Chrystal Tilton Dulce

567
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:20,880
based stories from years ago in nineteen
eighties, for example, that allege there

568
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:30,159
are are the high techs underground laboratories
as at Dulce. According to one iteration

569
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:44,920
of the Dulcet story in Dulce based
story in which beings are cloned, Well,

570
00:59:45,119 --> 00:59:47,960
we lost him for just a second
there, and we're right at the

571
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,400
top of the hour. So if
you'll hang on just one second, I'll

572
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:59,079
be calling him back. So hang
on just one second. Then we'll be

573
00:59:59,199 --> 01:00:02,039
right back right after the music break. If you're listening live, don't go

574
01:00:02,119 --> 01:01:00,239
away, Richard, are you there? Hello, Hey, you're back.

575
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:04,559
I'm right here. Yeah, we're
It is fading out a lot that time.

576
01:01:04,599 --> 01:01:07,159
You just plain old went away.
Now, I can't remember what you're

577
01:01:07,159 --> 01:01:13,039
in the middle of at that point
when when things went down, But well,

578
01:01:13,039 --> 01:01:17,199
I was talking about the Los Almos. We stopped for music. Okay,

579
01:01:19,639 --> 01:01:22,239
did you have more to continue on
that or would you want to move

580
01:01:22,239 --> 01:01:27,800
on to something else? Underground based
at Dulce, New Mexico, allegedly operated

581
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:32,920
by the United States military and Little
Gray Aliens. But I talked with Tilt

582
01:01:35,719 --> 01:01:43,320
and Christa Tilted, and I found
her account to be somewhat confused, as

583
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,719
yes, you know, I want
to say that frequently. This happens when

584
01:01:46,719 --> 01:01:52,440
I do interviews, when I begin
talking about her sensitive topic Skype frequently pulls

585
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:59,960
the plug on the conversation. This
whole this gets into the area of artificial

586
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:06,480
intelligence, and that the Internet is
now wired in to AI, Skype,

587
01:02:06,639 --> 01:02:10,199
Yahoo, Microsoft, Google, all
of it, Apple, all of it

588
01:02:10,239 --> 01:02:15,400
is wired in. It's a huge
AI network, and I say, is

589
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:19,159
in it up to its eyeballs?
Be that as it may. Getting back

590
01:02:19,199 --> 01:02:24,519
to the alleged Dulcet base and talking
with Krista Tilton, she did admit to

591
01:02:24,599 --> 01:02:30,960
me that she didn't know where the
base was. That when she was taken

592
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:37,119
there, she asked where she was
and she was told the Dulcet base in

593
01:02:37,159 --> 01:02:43,239
northern New Mexico. She assumed that
that meant the town of Dulce, but

594
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:46,960
it need not mean that. It
need only mean that she was told she

595
01:02:47,159 --> 01:02:53,599
was at the Dulce base in northern
New Mexico. And Dulce, of course

596
01:02:53,920 --> 01:03:02,119
is a Spanish where Dulce simply means
So they were telling her you're at the

597
01:03:02,119 --> 01:03:08,519
suite base. Just it's gibberish almost
when translated into English. I believe that

598
01:03:08,599 --> 01:03:15,119
it's actually and I've been told by
others at or near Los Alamos, and

599
01:03:15,159 --> 01:03:22,639
in fact, my research suggest there
is a serious underground component that Los Alamos.

600
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:27,960
Talk to one man, one engineer
who told me he'd been there.

601
01:03:28,599 --> 01:03:35,159
It didn't work there, but he'd
gone there with an engineering colleague and actually

602
01:03:35,239 --> 01:03:42,039
went into some of the underground facilities. His understanding was most of what happens

603
01:03:42,039 --> 01:03:46,320
at Los Alamos takes place underground,
and some of it is very deep underground.

604
01:03:46,719 --> 01:03:52,079
His understanding was as much as one
mile underground. And your listeners,

605
01:03:52,119 --> 01:03:58,480
and you should understand that it is
well within the state of the art of

606
01:03:58,599 --> 01:04:05,199
modern civil engineering to work one mile
under Sorry, listeners, if you're listening,

607
01:04:05,239 --> 01:04:08,559
we have a little bit of an
issue here. I was trying to

608
01:04:08,559 --> 01:04:14,519
accept a phone call and it just
didn't happen. So hang in there.

609
01:04:14,559 --> 01:04:16,599
I'm going to try to figure this
out. Hello, I'll be back.

610
01:04:17,599 --> 01:04:23,519
Yes, So sorry about that.
I guess I'm not able to take calls

611
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:27,679
on this show. And for some
reason, I don't know what the issue

612
01:04:27,719 --> 01:04:31,239
is. But when I add a
call to our conversation, it's putting the

613
01:04:32,159 --> 01:04:36,519
radio station and you Richard on hold
for some reason. So I apologize anyone

614
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:40,239
that wants to call, and we
should be all set next week. You

615
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:44,519
can ask your questions on the message
board instead. And I apologize for that.

616
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,320
So no calls this week. Sorry
about that, all right. So

617
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,800
I don't know how far you got
before we found out that no one could

618
01:04:51,840 --> 01:05:00,320
hear you. Well, I was
talking about those alamos and how it goes

619
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:04,400
down. I've been told it goes
as deep as one mile in the deepest

620
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:10,559
levels, and that most of what
takes place there does take place underground.

621
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:23,119
Now, it's important to understand that
the United States Department is the lead agency

622
01:05:23,639 --> 01:05:28,599
in human genetics research in the world. That goes back to the early years

623
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:38,920
of the atomic weapons program, when
it was understood that radio nuclides have an

624
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:45,199
impact on genetics, including human genetics
that cause mutations in the genetic code.

625
01:05:45,519 --> 01:05:51,239
And so from that time forward,
the United States Department RGY has been massively

626
01:05:53,320 --> 01:06:00,679
researching human genetics, the human genome, and so los Alamos is a great

627
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:10,519
center not just for nuclearpens's design and
developments, but also for human genetic study.

628
01:06:13,119 --> 01:06:21,760
I'm surmising that the Dulci stories of
cloning, cloning of humans and hybridization

629
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:31,559
of humans uh and underground facility uh
quite possible. Quite possibly. I actually

630
01:06:31,639 --> 01:06:38,760
relate to those alamos and black budget
human genetic research that's being carried out there.

631
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:46,519
I think that this whole thing has
gotten so for out of control that

632
01:06:46,599 --> 01:06:53,039
it's difficult for those of us who
are on the outside trying to look in,

633
01:06:53,519 --> 01:06:59,679
to even begin to grasp the immensity
of what is going on. I

634
01:06:59,719 --> 01:07:10,480
believe also that these all these programs
and projects have so far escaped the bounds

635
01:07:10,519 --> 01:07:17,440
of any kind of open oversight that
at this point it's almost impossible to rein

636
01:07:17,519 --> 01:07:21,679
them in. And God help us. I don't know where it's all going,

637
01:07:23,079 --> 01:07:28,159
but I don't think it's going anywhere
good because it's all so secretive,

638
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:35,559
so massively funded, so hush hush, so compartmentalized. I scarcely know what

639
01:07:35,679 --> 01:07:43,079
to say anymore. Wow. I
just sent a text message to my brother

640
01:07:43,119 --> 01:07:46,119
in law because he worked at Los
Alamos for twenty some odd years, to

641
01:07:46,119 --> 01:07:49,159
ask him if he ever heard any
stories about that. I'm waiting to hear

642
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:53,880
back from him. But you know, let's let's skip around you. Well,

643
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:56,119
you have to let me, let
me, let me follow let me

644
01:07:56,199 --> 01:08:00,800
follow up on your question to your
sure, your your relative there. It

645
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:06,880
doesn't matter who he is. If
he has a need to know, then

646
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:12,480
he will be on the inside of
a compartmentized project. If he doesn't have

647
01:08:12,559 --> 01:08:16,680
a need to know, he will
know nothing about it. He won't know

648
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:23,239
the passwords, he won't know the
project names. Those who are involved will

649
01:08:23,279 --> 01:08:28,399
not speak to him about their work, and if he is involved, he

650
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:33,960
will not tell you either. Let
me give an explanation. In my last

651
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:40,119
book, Hidden in Plain Sight Beyond
the X Files, I discussed the book

652
01:08:40,159 --> 01:08:45,840
by John Penya Craven called The Silent
War. John Penya Craven was the lead

653
01:08:45,079 --> 01:08:51,720
Navy's lead scientist during the height of
the Cold War. PhD ocean geographer,

654
01:08:53,319 --> 01:08:58,520
he was lead scientist tasked with developing, behind me, Rick Over and others,

655
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:04,199
a deep undersea capability, a capability
for the Navy to work at great

656
01:09:04,239 --> 01:09:10,159
depth up to twenty thousand feet underwater. And he did that. It carried

657
01:09:10,199 --> 01:09:14,640
out that mandate. One of the
points that he made in his book was

658
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:20,479
that there was a secret project called
sand Dollar, which he uses as an

659
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:27,079
example, that had three layers of
secrecy. Someone who worked in that program,

660
01:09:27,119 --> 01:09:33,079
for example, might be outward laid
an off on an American Navy nuclear

661
01:09:33,119 --> 01:09:41,800
submarine. Within that job title,
the officer, let's say, would sign

662
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:47,520
in to work on the submarine and
then would go do something else that would

663
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:57,640
have a totally different duty task,
and under that task there might be yet

664
01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:04,159
a third embedded program with another name
and another level of secrecy. And part

665
01:10:04,199 --> 01:10:11,600
of the rules for this are that
that officer would not tell anyone, even

666
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:16,399
including his wife, what he really
did. Craven follows that up with another

667
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:23,920
example of going into a room that's
literally like a bank vault to be briefed.

668
01:10:24,399 --> 01:10:31,840
That's literal physical, physical compartmentalization.
What I'm telling you is whether it

669
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:36,119
is your relative, your friend,
your brother, or even your wife,

670
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:45,119
if they are in a compartmentalized program
doing seriously secret work, they won't tell

671
01:10:45,199 --> 01:10:51,319
you. You will not know,
and they will lie to you. Well,

672
01:10:51,359 --> 01:10:54,640
I did get any answer back from
my brother in law. He just

673
01:10:54,680 --> 01:11:00,000
said that there, let me just
read it here, there are storage tunnel,

674
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:03,319
et cetera, underground, that's all
he told me. Well that covered

675
01:11:03,319 --> 01:11:08,239
that could be anything, and a
storage tunnel can be that's true. In

676
01:11:08,279 --> 01:11:14,000
fact, I got some minimal I
did a freedom of information that request to

677
01:11:14,039 --> 01:11:19,760
Los Alamos asking about underground facilities,
and I got some minimal documentation back,

678
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:24,720
which even then, in the mid
nineteen nineties, I knew did not begin

679
01:11:25,279 --> 01:11:29,239
to cover the true extent of what
is there. What I'm telling you is

680
01:11:29,279 --> 01:11:34,159
that at a place like Los Alamos, there are compartments within compartments, and

681
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:38,720
if you're not on the inside of
compartment, and it could be physical.

682
01:11:39,319 --> 01:11:43,560
It could be you go into a
room and your three doors, and maybe

683
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:46,000
you have the keys to one of
the doors, but not to the other

684
01:11:46,039 --> 01:11:53,119
two. What's behind the other two
doors? You don't know, right,

685
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:57,000
And that's it works. It works
at that level. I'll give you another

686
01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:02,359
example. I was one guy told
me that I've talked to all kinds of

687
01:12:02,399 --> 01:12:10,079
people who've worked in facilities. One
told me that some of these facilities will

688
01:12:10,199 --> 01:12:15,960
disguise their air shafts, for example, in the silos on working dairy farms.

689
01:12:16,079 --> 01:12:19,600
It's just one example. Of course, there are dairy farms all over

690
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:27,520
the country. Now that means that
there are also some dairy farmers here and

691
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:31,720
there who know that the silos on
their farms are not really real silos,

692
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:39,199
that they are air shafts and vents
for secret underground bases, Which means that

693
01:12:39,239 --> 01:12:43,720
there are farmers out there who are
involved in these projects at least to some

694
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:50,319
degree. So you see how penetrated
this society is, and how secret the

695
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:57,000
kinds of secrets that a lot of
so called ordinary people have. How many

696
01:12:57,039 --> 01:13:03,439
farmers are there out there whose farms
lie over underground basis. I don't know,

697
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:08,399
but based on what I was told, some of them are. I

698
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:13,439
can give you another example, nice
sight I believe in in my first book,

699
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:19,279
where you can actually design a barn, for instance, to conceal an

700
01:13:19,399 --> 01:13:27,319
entrance to a secret underground base.
And this has been done. It's a

701
01:13:27,319 --> 01:13:30,720
great way to camouflage it. What
I'm telling you is we live in an

702
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:36,720
unreal world. The I don't know
any other way to tell you that it's

703
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:44,760
so fake, it's just so false. If somehow the scales could fall from

704
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:51,479
everyone's eyes simultaneously and they could see
through all of these frauds and false fronts,

705
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:58,960
and this vast theft of multiple trillions
and trillions of dollars from the global

706
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:02,359
economy, all of that, all
the people walking around who are pretending to

707
01:14:02,399 --> 01:14:08,000
be one thing, when in reality
they are some of them, an unknown

708
01:14:08,319 --> 01:14:12,880
large number of them, are involved, for example, with these secret underground

709
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:16,239
bases and say little or nothing about
it. Do you see? You don't

710
01:14:16,279 --> 01:14:25,239
even need deposit an alien presence on
this planet to get into the realm of

711
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:35,319
bizarro world just using the technology,
the social technology of extreme compartmentalization. Can

712
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:43,880
even imagine how many marriages there are
where the husband doesn't really know what his

713
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:48,680
wife does professionally and vice versa.
Okay, we have an unusual question up

714
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:56,560
on the message board. Do you
believe that there was holographic technology being used

715
01:14:56,600 --> 01:15:00,359
by the government in nineteen sixty eight, In other words, that they were

716
01:15:00,399 --> 01:15:06,720
able to project close up images of
UFOs were mistaken for the real UFOs nineteen

717
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:12,720
sixty eight nineteen seventy one. Do
you know anything about that? No?

718
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:16,960
No, I don't know a lot
about holographic technology. I read it by

719
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:20,159
it. I know the word.
I know that there are people who work

720
01:15:20,199 --> 01:15:30,840
on it, study it, develop
it increasing as years go by. Is

721
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:39,039
this whole earth a sophisticated in holographic
projection that we are trapped in in once

722
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:46,359
and it's so good that it fools
almost everybody almost all of the time,

723
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:56,840
such that it's very difficult to escape
its snares and liberate yourself mentally, spiritually,

724
01:15:56,880 --> 01:16:00,800
and physically, if you will.
I wouldn't rule that out as a

725
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:06,640
possibility. You know, the ancient
stages in India talked about Maya the world

726
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:15,760
of illusion and what if that is
far truer than than we know. Okay,

727
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:19,920
now I'm going to ask one more
question about a base that someone asked

728
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:25,319
earlier, and then I want to
go on a different topic. Someone wanted

729
01:16:25,359 --> 01:16:30,079
to know about what you thought about
Mount Weather. Well. Mount Weather is

730
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:39,479
a known major deep technically sophisticated base. It's been there for at least since

731
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:46,800
the nineteen fifties. It recently was
run by FEMA. I guess the DHS

732
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:53,000
is probably in there now, but
it is a big base. It's in

733
01:16:53,039 --> 01:16:58,159
the Appalachian Mountains, about an hour's
drive outside of Washington, d C.

734
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:01,600
In northern Virginia. It is run
by the federal government. It's one of

735
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:10,920
the big, very highly secure command, control and communication facilities for the federal

736
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:18,319
agencies. It is part of the
what's called the Continuity of Government arc of

737
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:27,720
underground facilities in the Mid Atlantic region
of the United States. The miunderstanding is

738
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:34,000
it can accommodate at a minimum several
hundred people in a buttoned up status for

739
01:17:34,079 --> 01:17:41,319
a month or more. I'm guessing
I know it's been enlarged and modernized over

740
01:17:41,319 --> 01:17:45,079
the years. I couldn't say how
many it could accommodate. Maybe a couple

741
01:17:45,159 --> 01:17:49,000
thousand, or five or ten thousand, I don't know. It's a large

742
01:17:49,039 --> 01:17:57,319
base. It's deep, it's sophisticated
technologically, it's very highly secretive. I've

743
01:17:57,359 --> 01:18:00,920
been to the front gate of that
place, but I've never been in.

744
01:18:00,319 --> 01:18:06,640
I don't have a security clearance,
and exactly what happens in it, I

745
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:13,760
couldn't tell you. But it is
a major known underground base. Wow,

746
01:18:14,039 --> 01:18:18,479
Okay, now I wanted to We're
going to go off topic here and talk

747
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:23,640
about some of the things that you
write about, and one of them is

748
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:29,000
the sixth global extinction. What is
your thoughts on that? Well, it's

749
01:18:29,119 --> 01:18:40,840
underway. Conservation biologists and ecologists know
that over the one hundreds of millions and

750
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:45,920
billions of years that the Earth has
been here since biological life arose on the

751
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:55,800
Earth, there have been previously five
great extinction events in which there were huge

752
01:18:56,199 --> 01:19:00,920
global die offs of the flora and
fauna of this plant it. The reasons

753
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:08,600
are not always well understood. However, the geological record is very clear that

754
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:18,880
this has occurred periodically. It's now
occurring again for the sixth time in a

755
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:25,439
major way. While we may not
know what the major calls or causes were

756
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:30,239
in the distant past, biological scientists
can say what the cause is today.

757
01:19:30,279 --> 01:19:36,279
It is, in the main the
major damaging factor in the in the die

758
01:19:36,319 --> 01:19:43,439
off of tremendous numbers of plants and
animals on this planet. UH is a

759
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:51,159
human race. Our activities UH,
industrial industrial activities, UH, primarily agricultural

760
01:19:51,159 --> 01:19:58,680
activities. Genetic engineering now is playing
a role our waste, all of the

761
01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:05,640
crap we put in the oceans and
into the air, and it's having a

762
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:13,600
real powerfully deadly effect on the Earth's
ecology, on the Earth's biosphere. The

763
01:20:14,319 --> 01:20:18,119
estimates are that in the last forty
years, fifty percent of all the wildlife

764
01:20:18,359 --> 01:20:25,119
on this planet has died off,
and that if things continue the way they

765
01:20:25,159 --> 01:20:28,920
are, we won't make it another
half century. You know that the bees

766
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:32,680
are dying off. A lot of
butterflies are dying, the amphibians are dying,

767
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:38,560
all kinds of toads and frogs and
newts and salamanders. Right now,

768
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:44,840
the Pacific Ocean is dying. It
seems. The major contributing calls is the

769
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:50,720
huge amount of radioactivity that continues to
pour into the sea from the blown up

770
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:57,680
and melted down nuclear power reactors at
Fukushima, Japan, which haven't been fixed

771
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:03,439
and evidently cannot be and will continue
to poison the ocean for unknown thousands of

772
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:08,399
years to come. Yeah, we
certainly haven't heard the last of Pukushima,

773
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:12,640
that's for sure. And the Amazon, the Amazon Forest is being cut down.

774
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:17,560
The great forests in tropical Africa and
Central sol America, in Southeast Asia,

775
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:23,119
these huge, ancient tropical forests are
being cut down. And of course

776
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:28,800
when you cut these forests down,
not only do the trees die, but

777
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:33,000
all the animals and birds and reptiles
and fish and insects that live in these

778
01:21:33,039 --> 01:21:38,680
forests necessarily die as well. This
is ongoing. I live in South America.

779
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:42,720
I've seen I've been in the Amazon
region. I've seen what's going on,

780
01:21:43,199 --> 01:21:46,800
and I've seen it change within the
span of one year. You drive

781
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:50,039
down the road and you look,
oh, look, they're just cleared ten

782
01:21:50,079 --> 01:21:56,399
acres there to put up a soccer
field and grandstand and parking area. Oh

783
01:21:56,439 --> 01:22:00,319
and over there they cleared five areas
five acres and they they plant of sugar

784
01:22:00,359 --> 01:22:05,039
cane. And over there they cleared
fifteen acres and they planted, you know,

785
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:10,920
it's a cattle pasture now. And
this is happening all over the region.

786
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:14,960
So you add it all up and
you have millions of people thinking,

787
01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:17,520
well, you know, I'm just
going to clear five or ten acres here,

788
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:21,640
I'm going to plant some bananas and
some yucca, and I'm going to

789
01:22:23,039 --> 01:22:27,359
graze some cattle here. And what's
ten acres. Well, if you multiply

790
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:31,079
that by five million people doing the
same thing, it turns out that that

791
01:22:31,279 --> 01:22:36,960
ten acres is really fifty million acres. And that's how you lose the world's

792
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:44,199
largest tropical forest. And it is
going, going, going, So we're

793
01:22:44,239 --> 01:22:48,560
losing the world's great tropical forests.
We're losing the Pacific Ocean. We're losing

794
01:22:49,239 --> 01:22:56,319
frogs, salamanders, butterflies, bees, whales, on and on. Man,

795
01:22:56,399 --> 01:23:01,640
the whole globally college is crashing mostly
because of us. We are not

796
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:08,079
doing the earth thing well at all. And of course we are. Humanity

797
01:23:08,119 --> 01:23:16,119
is an apex predator. We are
at the top of the ecological food chain.

798
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:21,640
So it's like any other chain.
As you start removing links, a

799
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:27,199
chain without links is not a chain. And that's what we're doing so,

800
01:23:27,279 --> 01:23:34,119
we are destroying the food chain upon
which we rely, and in doing that,

801
01:23:34,159 --> 01:23:40,560
we are ensuring our own extension because
we're poort of the biosphere on this

802
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:45,960
planet. And as we destroy the
biosphere, we guarantee that the day is

803
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:51,239
coming when we won't be here because
of bees and butterflies and frogs and whales

804
01:23:51,359 --> 01:23:56,600
et cetera, et cetera. Cannot
live on this planet. How will we?

805
01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:05,720
Right? Right? Yeah, I
think it is. I remember hearing

806
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:11,039
years ago that the amphibians would be
kind of the first that you'd see the

807
01:24:11,039 --> 01:24:18,119
big die off of because they're very
susceptible and sensitive to the environment. Another

808
01:24:18,199 --> 01:24:23,079
question I had, you wanted to
talk a little bit, possibly about jade

809
01:24:23,119 --> 01:24:29,359
Helm. Well, jade Helm,
of course, is that the military exercise

810
01:24:30,159 --> 01:24:40,199
being carried out states states of the
United States, it seems in the south

811
01:24:40,279 --> 01:24:45,640
and the southwest region of the country. The military has said very little about

812
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:53,880
what they're doing and why. The
logo for the exercise says jade Helm mastering

813
01:24:54,279 --> 01:24:59,399
the human domain and has a couple
of crossed arrows, the sword and the

814
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:03,119
likeness of a wooden shoe in the
middle of it. This has prompted a

815
01:25:03,119 --> 01:25:11,720
lot of speculation, some of it
very informed, well informed, and documented.

816
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:15,880
It does seem that Jade Home,
at least in part, maybe in

817
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:27,399
large part, is designed to integrate
artificial intelligence with military operations amongst the civil

818
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:32,159
society of the United States, going
out among the civilian population, without however,

819
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:38,920
telling the civilian population what is going
on and how it's being done and

820
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:45,800
why, and without permitting the news
media to observe what the military is doing

821
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:51,000
and how and why and where and
when. So the many questions about this,

822
01:25:51,119 --> 01:25:58,800
and I'm back around to one of
the premises I've made a touch point

823
01:25:59,279 --> 01:26:05,880
of this conversation, and that is
that because of the great secrecy, because

824
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:15,000
of the military's uncommunicativeness, I'm afraid
that this thing is not being done for

825
01:26:15,079 --> 01:26:20,760
the American people, but is being
done to them. The American people are

826
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:26,720
not even being being given the explanation
that a parent might give to a two

827
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:31,000
year old who asks why mommy.
Uh. In other words, the American

828
01:26:31,039 --> 01:26:39,319
people are being treated with contempt,
not even worthy of being informed. Wow.

829
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:43,760
Yeah, well, uh, I
know we're a bit off topic from

830
01:26:44,159 --> 01:26:46,079
from the UFO, So I wanted
to just well, well, I don't

831
01:26:46,119 --> 01:26:49,239
I don't know let's let's back up
there. I don't know that that's off

832
01:26:49,279 --> 01:26:54,640
topic at all. All right,
this, this ort, of this whole

833
01:26:54,720 --> 01:27:01,399
push for artificial intelligence is not human, and which raised the question as to

834
01:27:02,079 --> 01:27:12,479
why the human beings and positions of
command and power want to turn over their

835
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:21,880
command structure, their human command structure, to an inhuman intelligence that immediately raises

836
01:27:23,399 --> 01:27:28,479
and alarm bells for me and I
think it should for everyone. It then

837
01:27:29,479 --> 01:27:35,640
raises the issue as to whether the
leadership structure in the country and in the

838
01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:45,159
military or in league with something that's
powerfully cunning and not human. Why are

839
01:27:45,199 --> 01:27:51,720
they introducing non human intelligence into the
human domain. Why would human beings do

840
01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:57,880
that. I don't know the answer
to that. I don't think it bodes

841
01:27:57,960 --> 01:28:02,640
well at all, and I don't
rule out that it could possibly be connected

842
01:28:03,319 --> 01:28:12,800
with off planet intelligences not necessarily human
and not necessarily biological or what we would

843
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:21,880
call created as opposed to artificially fabricated
intelligences. I am not sure. But

844
01:28:23,039 --> 01:28:30,319
what we are now well into an
invasion by a machine like, very powerful,

845
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:39,520
non human machine like intelligence that does
not have our best interest at heart,

846
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:42,800
because it has no heart, it
has no soul, it has no

847
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:48,479
spirit, but it does have an
agenda of subjugation and conquest. And look

848
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:54,760
around the planet and you see a
planet that is reeling. You see a

849
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:59,760
planet that is under assault. You
see a planet that, frankly is dying.

850
01:29:00,479 --> 01:29:05,279
And I don't hear in the voice
of the vast majority of the people

851
01:29:05,319 --> 01:29:14,000
I speak with and understanding at all
to the slightest degree of the dire predicament

852
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:18,720
that humanity in his planet are now
in. People are assumming that things will

853
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:25,359
go on as they have in the
past, that because today is tolerably similar

854
01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:31,079
to yesterday, that tomorrow will also
be not that much different from yesterday,

855
01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:39,000
and that is by no means true
or guaranteed. Yes, I'm sure you

856
01:29:39,079 --> 01:29:43,840
heard of Elon Musk's quote that he
claimed that AI will be the end of

857
01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:47,800
us. All I agree, I
think, And of course he's a high

858
01:29:47,880 --> 01:29:54,399
level industrialist and financier. He moves
in circles I've never been privy to.

859
01:29:55,039 --> 01:30:00,880
So if he is saying a man
like him is saying that much, imagine

860
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:05,159
what he must know. I'm guessing
if that comment makes it into the headlines

861
01:30:05,479 --> 01:30:11,960
and then mainstream news media that the
reality is so much worse than that along

862
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:15,319
the lines of what I'm saying,
and even more so, I know from

863
01:30:15,319 --> 01:30:25,399
my research that this investigation into artificial
intelligence has been going on for a long

864
01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:30,439
time. And my understanding is that
the you know, the early earliest computers,

865
01:30:30,600 --> 01:30:35,760
electronic computers use vacuum tubes, and
then transitsor just came along, and

866
01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:41,600
then the printed circuit boards and micro
circuits, and we entered the digital age.

867
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:45,319
The first computers I believe we're analog, and then we entered the digital

868
01:30:45,359 --> 01:30:53,119
age and at digital supercomputers, and
now the new generation of computers or quantum.

869
01:30:53,439 --> 01:30:58,920
They do quantum computing, which is
orders multiple orders are magnitude faster and

870
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:03,960
more efficient than these in the most
powerful digital computers. A complex computation that

871
01:31:04,079 --> 01:31:11,359
might take decades or even centuries can
now be done in seconds or minutes by

872
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:16,920
the new generation of quantum computers.
We have entered a new world which average

873
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:25,000
person scarcely comprehends. Elton Musk knows
that as we get more and more plugged

874
01:31:25,039 --> 01:31:30,600
in to these artificial intelligence networks,
what if the network, or one of

875
01:31:30,640 --> 01:31:42,520
the networks decides one day these biological
bipedal organisms that are swarming over the surface

876
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:47,600
of the planet do not comport well
at all with my machine agenda, and

877
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:55,399
so it then gives launch orders to
nuclear missiles because it's plugged in to the

878
01:31:55,439 --> 01:32:00,520
military command structure. I repeat,
what is the American military doing right now?

879
01:32:00,680 --> 01:32:05,039
According to researchers such as JD who
has appeared and spoken about this at

880
01:32:05,159 --> 01:32:12,840
length on the John B. Wells
radio show Caravan at the Midnight, her

881
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:21,800
research indicates and she's got a lot
of documentation artificial intelligence into its field operations

882
01:32:23,239 --> 01:32:28,600
among the civilian population on the North
American mainland. That's just the beginning.

883
01:32:29,399 --> 01:32:38,079
So what happens when this AI that's
being integrated right now into the military's operations

884
01:32:38,119 --> 01:32:42,680
decides, well, okay, I'm
in charge now. I don't need any

885
01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:45,960
general to tell me what to do. I see what to do. More

886
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:55,600
than that, I see what must
be done. Ano robots do God knows

887
01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:59,479
what, etc. Etc. This
is the premise of a movie like The

888
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:04,920
Terminate for example. And where did
the creators, the creative entities behind the

889
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:12,880
Terminator movies get their ideas well?
They just observed the trends in the military

890
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:19,119
industrial complex extrapolated out in the future
twenty five or thirty years they saw where

891
01:33:19,239 --> 01:33:23,720
was going, what was being set
up, and you know what, We're

892
01:33:23,720 --> 01:33:30,399
almost there. Well, do you
think this also goes along with what people

893
01:33:30,439 --> 01:33:35,880
are talking about the singularity. I
don't know that's what Ray Kurtzwell is talking

894
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:45,760
about. Ray Kurtzwel is is Googles, is Google's AI transhumanist guru or lead

895
01:33:45,800 --> 01:33:51,880
researcher. Ray Kurtzwel wants to merge
with the machine. He wants to download

896
01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:59,159
his brain into a supercomputer and become
a cyborg. I think he is effing

897
01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:04,119
crazy. I think he is barking
mad. I think he is certifiably insane

898
01:34:04,199 --> 01:34:10,439
and a dangerous man. Okay,
I think I think in Elton Musk,

899
01:34:10,680 --> 01:34:15,039
Elton, musk Elon, Yeah,
Elon Musk pardon me, associates with people

900
01:34:15,119 --> 01:34:19,640
like this because he works at a
high level in industry, in finance,

901
01:34:20,319 --> 01:34:29,640
and so he he knows people like
Kurtzwell. And he is sounding an alarm,

902
01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:34,000
that's saying, and he says to
me forthrightly, WHOA, let's not

903
01:34:34,359 --> 01:34:44,159
do this. It is extremely dangerous. That's the opposite, uh indication that

904
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:48,000
from what Ray Kurtzwell is saying.
I listened to Musk, and I think

905
01:34:48,079 --> 01:34:53,279
Kurtzwell is a dangerous being on the
loose? Wow, what do you think

906
01:34:53,279 --> 01:34:58,960
about Stephen Hawking? I don't know. How do you mean that? Well,

907
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:01,720
that's just a question up on the
message board. What are your thoughts?

908
01:35:01,720 --> 01:35:04,359
I don't know. I don't know
how to answer because Stephen Hawking has

909
01:35:04,399 --> 01:35:08,800
done and said so many things over
the years, so I don't I don't

910
01:35:08,840 --> 01:35:12,680
know how to respond to the question. Well, I know recently there he's

911
01:35:12,720 --> 01:35:16,680
been in the news because a Russian. He's working with a Russian that came

912
01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:21,640
up with one hundred million dollars to
fund you know, like a SETI type

913
01:35:21,720 --> 01:35:26,399
situation. I don't know if you
followed that or not. No, I

914
01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:30,199
I just don't know. The question
has to be more specific. That's yeah,

915
01:35:30,760 --> 01:35:35,880
they may they may come back,
but sold they do. We can

916
01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:40,960
go a little bit again off topic. One of the things you talked about

917
01:35:41,039 --> 01:35:45,000
was the machine, and I have
no idea what that is. Well,

918
01:35:45,079 --> 01:35:48,920
you know, the reason I came
to South America was to pursue a shamanic

919
01:35:49,039 --> 01:35:55,359
vision quest, which I have done. I have now no un number of

920
01:35:55,359 --> 01:36:00,159
shamans. The first shawman that I
worked with was an Iowa s ghetto and

921
01:36:00,399 --> 01:36:06,520
tabaccato, meaning the plants he works
the most with, or ayahuasca and tobacco,

922
01:36:06,640 --> 01:36:11,600
and I did a number of sessions
with him with some other people as

923
01:36:11,640 --> 01:36:17,640
well. One of the things that
ayahuasca showed me was number one, how

924
01:36:17,880 --> 01:36:24,520
fake this reality we're living in is
you have to understand that the shamanic plants

925
01:36:24,760 --> 01:36:32,279
are vastly conscious. We are taught
in Western society that plants don't think they're

926
01:36:32,319 --> 01:36:41,039
just kind of there. In fact, they're vastly aware and more aware than

927
01:36:41,079 --> 01:36:47,000
the average human, far more aware. And what Aahuascar revealed to me a

928
01:36:47,119 --> 01:36:55,079
serious of visions was the total fraudulent, false fakeness of this reality and system

929
01:36:55,119 --> 01:37:00,279
in which we're immersed. It is
a matrix and it's fake, up,

930
01:37:00,439 --> 01:37:04,720
down and sideways. When Iowaska showed
me that, I already knew a lot

931
01:37:04,760 --> 01:37:12,520
of intellectually a lot of things,
but it hit me with such emotional impact

932
01:37:12,640 --> 01:37:16,800
that I was thinking, get out
of here. You got to be kidding

933
01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:23,720
me, You have got to be
kidding me. It seemed like the most

934
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:30,680
horrendous, malevolent, practical joke,
but with a real hard demonic edge to

935
01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:33,520
it. And then the other thing
that was showing me in in a variety

936
01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:39,079
of ways over a period of a
number of years. Now, is that

937
01:37:40,039 --> 01:37:46,920
behind all of this false hijacking of
reality, there's a false reality that's hijacked

938
01:37:47,199 --> 01:37:55,479
real reality, if you will.
And what it has done is put a

939
01:37:55,600 --> 01:38:00,199
like a false facade over the whole
planet and our perceptions, our society.

940
01:38:00,239 --> 01:38:10,880
It's it's, it's, it's the
project is is vast in scope and h

941
01:38:11,279 --> 01:38:16,199
it's it has such a hard edge
to it. It's ruthless, it's relentless.

942
01:38:16,479 --> 01:38:25,640
It's cunning, it's kiving, conniving, it's terribly destructive, it is

943
01:38:26,319 --> 01:38:33,479
subversive. It is One of my
friends uh nailed it and in some of

944
01:38:33,479 --> 01:38:39,680
her comments when she said, you
know it. It appeals to to people's

945
01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:47,319
worst motives, their their worst impulses
and promising them everything and destroying them in

946
01:38:47,359 --> 01:38:53,399
the process. And look around you
and you see it happening in front of

947
01:38:53,439 --> 01:38:59,760
your eyes. Someone keeps asking what
is d M What is your take on?

948
01:39:00,439 --> 01:39:04,000
Well, d MT is in everything. D MT appears to be a

949
01:39:04,640 --> 01:39:16,239
hyperdimensional molecule biochemical molecule that facilitates communication
with and perception with other realities and dimensions.

950
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:24,119
It is present evidently in every living
biological organism. We have it in

951
01:39:24,159 --> 01:39:30,640
our bodies. It's commonly found in
plants and animals all over the world.

952
01:39:31,359 --> 01:39:36,840
It's in ayahuasca, it's in the
other shamanic plants like the sand pedro cactus,

953
01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:44,439
the peotic cactus, the so called
psilocybin marshrooms. You would find it

954
01:39:44,479 --> 01:39:53,399
in pondiflora or malekawa. You would
find it in yopo snuff that the shamans

955
01:39:53,399 --> 01:40:00,319
here in South America use, and
in other other living organisms plant now animal,

956
01:40:00,720 --> 01:40:05,840
all over the world. I think
DMT is a molecule that interfaces at

957
01:40:05,880 --> 01:40:13,439
a deep level with our DNA.
It's biochemically it's got a different structure than

958
01:40:13,560 --> 01:40:24,560
DNA. But there are molecules in
the biological realm, such as the DNA

959
01:40:25,359 --> 01:40:31,920
molecule, and then of course the
DMT molecule and some others that appear to

960
01:40:31,960 --> 01:40:39,880
work synergistically in a hyper consciously way, not only in human beings but in

961
01:40:39,960 --> 01:40:44,800
plants. And in the case of
DMT and plants, it appears that and

962
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:58,720
other similar or related molecules that work
together that they can have a pronounced consciousness

963
01:40:59,079 --> 01:41:08,359
heightening or conscience and his consciousness deepening
effect. DMT from my perspective is great

964
01:41:08,399 --> 01:41:14,039
stuff. It's one of the things
in our bodies and in the plants that

965
01:41:14,159 --> 01:41:20,000
permits us to communicate with more profound, more sophisticated, more real layers of

966
01:41:20,079 --> 01:41:25,920
reality, if you will. Wow, I had no idea what any of

967
01:41:25,920 --> 01:41:30,520
that was, So that was really
interesting. Now I do want to talk

968
01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:36,640
a little bit about what started you
down? I usually asked this in the

969
01:41:36,640 --> 01:41:41,279
beginning of the show, But what
started you down the path with looking into

970
01:41:41,319 --> 01:41:47,119
all these different sort of like paranormal
maybe a little or very interesting things like

971
01:41:47,159 --> 01:41:53,560
the underground basis and things like that. What started you on it? Well,

972
01:41:53,600 --> 01:42:01,840
it was more a question of the
non ordinary. Were the real side

973
01:42:01,840 --> 01:42:08,000
of reality coming to look at me
rather than the other way around. It

974
01:42:08,119 --> 01:42:13,399
started at the age of three,
when an entity whom I called the Bone

975
01:42:13,479 --> 01:42:19,399
Lady came to visit me. I
was a sickly little boy in nineteen fifty

976
01:42:19,399 --> 01:42:26,039
eight in Tidewater, Virginia. I
almost died when I was a young child,

977
01:42:26,079 --> 01:42:32,319
and I was out on there the
screen porch with my brother one spring

978
01:42:32,399 --> 01:42:38,680
day in nineteen fifty eight and playing. We were just playing simple little game,

979
01:42:39,439 --> 01:42:42,800
sitting on the floor. I was
three, he was about four and

980
01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:53,840
a half years old, and my
attention was suddenly drawn to a female entity

981
01:42:53,960 --> 01:42:59,079
standing on the eaves of the house, peering over the gutter through the screen

982
01:42:59,640 --> 01:43:05,479
at me. She had me right
away. I just tuned in. She

983
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:12,039
downloaded a lot of information to me. She was tall, rather gaunt,

984
01:43:12,479 --> 01:43:17,079
with the dark, long flowing garment
female. I called her the bone lady

985
01:43:17,119 --> 01:43:21,439
instinctively. You know, when you're
three years old, you don't know that

986
01:43:21,680 --> 01:43:29,960
many words. But I called her
the bone lady. And my brother was

987
01:43:30,039 --> 01:43:33,640
rivet did he? He didn't respond? For him, she froze him.

988
01:43:34,359 --> 01:43:39,399
It was all for me, or
maybe he was not open to it.

989
01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:45,279
In any event, she downloaded a
lot of information to me, some of

990
01:43:45,319 --> 01:43:55,000
which I can discuss and will.
The part I would discuss publicly is that

991
01:43:55,359 --> 01:43:59,560
there are two parts of it.
That a terrible, dark, grim time

992
01:44:00,359 --> 01:44:05,520
was coming, was on the way
of well and trouble, and sure enough

993
01:44:05,560 --> 01:44:15,560
it is arriving already hear from the
loty of people for the majority of humanity,

994
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:21,079
it's already here. And on the
other hand, that it wouldn't necessarily

995
01:44:21,319 --> 01:44:30,319
have to be that way, that
I and other human beings have the capability

996
01:44:30,920 --> 01:44:39,760
to greatly advance in consciousness and create
a kind of a paradise here on earth.

997
01:44:40,840 --> 01:44:45,960
We don't have to kill each other, we don't have to literally stab

998
01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:49,079
each other and all these I mean, you read the news these days and

999
01:44:49,119 --> 01:44:57,079
the horrific, god awful crimes,
people just doing unspeakably vicious things, and

1000
01:44:56,119 --> 01:45:00,479
you just say, my god,
what's going on? And that's what the

1001
01:45:00,479 --> 01:45:04,520
Bone Lady was revealing to me,
that this terrible, demonic time was coming.

1002
01:45:05,199 --> 01:45:13,119
But it humanity has the possibility to
do and to be so much better

1003
01:45:13,479 --> 01:45:17,760
than that. However we haven't.
We're at the fork in the road,

1004
01:45:17,840 --> 01:45:20,640
and the Bone Lady laid it all
right out for me. You know,

1005
01:45:20,680 --> 01:45:27,880
there's this ugly, hideous, ghastly
road that you can go individually and as

1006
01:45:27,880 --> 01:45:31,119
a species, and if you do, God to help you, because hell

1007
01:45:31,239 --> 01:45:35,079
lies that way. On the other
hand, you can decide to go the

1008
01:45:35,119 --> 01:45:42,760
other way and advance individually and as
a species into very high levels of consciousness

1009
01:45:42,800 --> 01:45:47,600
and love and compassion and empathy and
knowledge and wisdom, and in that case

1010
01:45:48,359 --> 01:45:55,319
your destiny will be wonderful. I
mean, So it's for you to choose,

1011
01:45:55,319 --> 01:45:59,760
individually and as a species, as
a global species, which do you

1012
01:45:59,800 --> 01:46:03,359
want? Do you want Hell or
do you want paradise. It's your choice.

1013
01:46:03,520 --> 01:46:10,680
At this point, it seems like
the group decision is tending more towards

1014
01:46:10,760 --> 01:46:18,720
Hell than to heaven because we are
in big trouble. Wow, I would

1015
01:46:18,720 --> 01:46:25,319
tend to agree with you on a
lot of that we have about I'd say

1016
01:46:25,319 --> 01:46:30,359
we have about five or six minutes
left. So one of the things you

1017
01:46:30,359 --> 01:46:34,960
would like to talk about, I
guess is false reality versus real reality.

1018
01:46:36,279 --> 01:46:43,960
That's exactly what I've been talking about. Humanity is chosen false reality. By

1019
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:47,800
and large. I almost ran into
a young woman on the sidewalk today.

1020
01:46:48,199 --> 01:46:53,520
She's walking down the sidewalk in the
middle of a large city, people coming

1021
01:46:53,560 --> 01:46:59,439
and going behind, in front,
on her side, and she's texting on

1022
01:46:59,479 --> 01:47:03,840
a handheld held cell phone or iPhone
or something, and she's doing text messages.

1023
01:47:05,000 --> 01:47:10,800
You talk about false reality. She's
oblivious to what's going on around her,

1024
01:47:11,159 --> 01:47:16,079
and she's in this digital technology,
this little digital electronic device, all

1025
01:47:16,119 --> 01:47:23,159
wrapped up in this I saw a
cartoon a day or two ago where there's

1026
01:47:23,199 --> 01:47:29,239
a long line of people and they've
all got these little handheld electronic devices they're

1027
01:47:29,279 --> 01:47:33,880
texting on, and they're following one
after the other. Off the edge of

1028
01:47:33,920 --> 01:47:41,960
a of a cliff. That's a
good one. And you know, I

1029
01:47:42,800 --> 01:47:46,800
remember, even years ago, I
watched a woman texting. It's like four

1030
01:47:46,920 --> 01:47:53,079
years ago. I was taking a
bus from the airport and the woman was

1031
01:47:53,199 --> 01:47:57,439
right and stopped right in the crosswalk
texting while the bus had to slam on

1032
01:47:57,479 --> 01:48:00,119
the brakes. It's unbelievable. Well, that's right. Every day people are

1033
01:48:00,119 --> 01:48:05,520
getting killed in traffic accidents because they're
going down the Interstate Highway that's seventy five

1034
01:48:05,560 --> 01:48:12,039
miles per hour and they're not even
watching the highway. They're text messaging.

1035
01:48:12,720 --> 01:48:19,079
They are so caught up in this
little electronic reality in their hand that they

1036
01:48:19,199 --> 01:48:26,880
even ignore the world around them to
the extent that they jeopardize, physically jeopardize

1037
01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:30,880
in real time their own life and
the lives of others around them. They

1038
01:48:31,479 --> 01:48:36,800
real reality is not good enough.
They've got to have this little technologic reality

1039
01:48:38,039 --> 01:48:41,520
that they hold in their hand.
And what are they texting about? Yeah,

1040
01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:45,520
yeah, I'll meet you at the
at the Olive Garden in fifteen minutes,

1041
01:48:45,880 --> 01:48:48,439
bam. And they never get there
because they turn themselves in a Hamburger

1042
01:48:48,680 --> 01:48:54,079
three and a half seconds later.
And I'm not exaggerating. It happens every

1043
01:48:54,479 --> 01:49:01,399
day, right right, humanity,
humanity, we're making some some insane choices.

1044
01:49:01,880 --> 01:49:06,199
I have a cell phone, and
most of the time, like ninety

1045
01:49:06,279 --> 01:49:11,239
nine point nine nine percent of the
time, the battery's not they've been in

1046
01:49:11,279 --> 01:49:19,720
it. Oh purposely, I'm assuming. Well, of course I take the

1047
01:49:19,760 --> 01:49:25,199
battery out because it annoys the hell
out of it. Yeah, there's a

1048
01:49:25,279 --> 01:49:29,000
there's a lot of talk about people
people calling, people calling me, and

1049
01:49:29,039 --> 01:49:33,520
then I get I get bing bong, bing bong, and it's vibrating and

1050
01:49:33,560 --> 01:49:43,199
it says something like Jennifer Lopez is
in Mexico City. Well, also,

1051
01:49:43,720 --> 01:49:47,159
it's not they don't even know what
the cell phones, uh, you know,

1052
01:49:47,680 --> 01:49:51,279
are are doing to us that they
only they've only been around for like

1053
01:49:51,279 --> 01:49:56,680
twenty something years, So the long
term effects could actually be pretty bad,

1054
01:49:57,079 --> 01:50:00,439
you know. I mean, I
know are way way off topic. No,

1055
01:50:00,439 --> 01:50:03,920
No, I don't think we're off
topic. I don't know what our

1056
01:50:03,960 --> 01:50:08,880
topic is. Our topic is whatever
we're talking about. Yeah, okay,

1057
01:50:09,600 --> 01:50:14,520
and so I don't feel compelled to
say this is on topic and that's off

1058
01:50:14,560 --> 01:50:16,840
topic. You see, that's the
that's the matrix right there, keeping you

1059
01:50:16,880 --> 01:50:20,760
inside inside the crowd. Don't don't
get too close to the edge there.

1060
01:50:20,840 --> 01:50:25,760
You know, you might, you
might, and I like it over there

1061
01:50:25,760 --> 01:50:31,000
is something something might happen that has
never happened before, and that's how people

1062
01:50:31,039 --> 01:50:38,680
are are controlled. You know.
The tendency is to go right to the

1063
01:50:38,720 --> 01:50:43,680
middle of the herd, because that's
where it's secure. On the other hand,

1064
01:50:44,039 --> 01:50:48,479
if you have any interest in escaping, the only position from which you

1065
01:50:48,479 --> 01:50:53,239
can escape is the very edge of
the herd, in other words, the

1066
01:50:53,279 --> 01:50:56,560
margins of the herd. In other
words, if you want to escape,

1067
01:50:57,520 --> 01:51:03,239
pretty well, by definition, you
have to become a marginalized person because you

1068
01:51:03,279 --> 01:51:10,359
cannot escape from the herd by burying
yourself in the very center of the herd.

1069
01:51:11,640 --> 01:51:15,239
That's just along the short of it. Mm hm, we have a

1070
01:51:15,399 --> 01:51:19,880
we have just a minute left first, so can you tell the audience again

1071
01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:29,199
where they would find your your blogspot
website. Absolutely, it's event Horizon Chronicle

1072
01:51:29,760 --> 01:51:38,199
dot blogspot dot com. That's event
Horizon Chronicle dot blogspot dot com. My

1073
01:51:38,279 --> 01:51:42,960
books are listed in the right hand
sidebar. You have but to click on

1074
01:51:43,039 --> 01:51:47,159
the covers. And my name is
Richard Zewder s A U D E.

1075
01:51:47,319 --> 01:51:51,439
R. Very good Richard. It's
been a. It's been a real pleasure,

1076
01:51:51,960 --> 01:51:57,119
very interesting, very interesting topics,
that's for sure. You know,

1077
01:51:57,199 --> 01:52:00,239
you're right we did. When I
call it off topic. You know,

1078
01:52:00,359 --> 01:52:02,880
mostly it's a UFO show. People
come to listen to that. But I

1079
01:52:02,920 --> 01:52:08,640
think what we talked about was certainly
fascinating enough. And how do we know

1080
01:52:09,199 --> 01:52:15,840
that we're not in a vast holographic
program being broadcast from a giant UFO That's

1081
01:52:15,960 --> 01:52:18,439
right. Hey, well we got
to go for now. So I want

1082
01:52:18,439 --> 01:52:21,600
to thank you very much, and
I want to thank a couple of other

1083
01:52:21,600 --> 01:52:26,520
people out there. Peggy Shunning who's
on the road right now. I want

1084
01:52:26,520 --> 01:52:30,119
to thank her for managing the Facebook
page. Carrie Lloyd Whitehouse for the music.

1085
01:52:31,920 --> 01:52:35,159
Alejandro Rojas will be back with us
next week, so no fear on

1086
01:52:35,199 --> 01:52:40,560
that. So this is Martin Willis
saying, check us out next week on

1087
01:52:40,600 --> 01:52:44,880
the Dark Matter Digital Network right here
at the same time, and keep your

1088
01:52:44,880 --> 01:53:00,359
eyes to the sky.