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gmail dot com. Without any further ado, let's bring on our special guest
for today, and his name is Noah. How are you doing today?
Pretty good, George, how are you? It's great to have you on
and we had a nice conversation before we hit the record button. And why
don't you go ahead and introduce yourself to the audience. Yeah, I'm Noah
from Tallahassee, Florida. Over here, I'm a twenty seven year old fiber
optic technician. I install fiber internet for people at their houses pretty much.
Well, Dan, where do I even go from here? Well, let's
we'll jump right into it. First off, Have you have any theory since
you're you know, you're you're in the fiber optics and things like that,
any thoughts on five G. Well, I've heard a lot about five G.
My dad was super into, you know, covering it up and trying
to not you know, have the kids affected by too much with our phones
and everything. But I mean, I've heard a lot of things involved in
the vaccine and how that's supposed to activate something in your body with d m
RNA. I'm not sure about all that. I'm not too I'm not too
you know, knowledgeable about that. But I don't do anything with the actual
main hardlines of the fiber optics, so I'm pretty much just a residential installer.
I'm not really too into the tech part of it. Tracking, tracking,
good stuff. Hey, why don't you go ahead and share a little
bit about your journey to the truth. When did you start seeing the world
a little differently then? We'll use the air quotes as the as the normy
sees it. Right. So, as far back as I can remember,
I I believe I was in school and I was learning about the moon landing
and my dad. I was telling my dad about it because he always used
to ask us, you know what you learned today? And I was telling
about the moonland have we learned about it? And my dad kind of he
gave me a little bit of a look where it's like, I don't know,
you know, what do you think? And basically he just kind of
told me that experienced stuck with me for my whole life pretty much. And
then growing up, as I got older, I started looking into things,
and as soon as I got to a freshman year of college, I heard
about the Donald Trump his son, that book way back in nineteen eighteen whatever.
How It's like a lot of connections about time travel. And from there
I kind of just branched off and started learning more about the moon landing and
nine to eleven and basically every conspiracy under the sun. And then a few
years later, must have been like three four years later, my aunt send
me a video. It's called it's whole video series. It's called what happened
on Earth, and I started reading and watching those videos, and they in
that video, they start off with you know, NASA being a bunch of
lies and a whole bunch of stuff concerning NASA just not being true, and
then they go into flat Earth, and they also go into the whole Hollywood
Beemium Grove and all that other terrible stuff, Pizzagate, they go into all
that. So that was really the video set that woke me up to a
lot of the conspiracies, including flat Earth. Ever since then, I wasn't
terribly convinced, but it just stuck in my head. I used to do
construction before the fiber tech, and I'll be just sitting there, you know,
cutting wood work and have my you know, headset on with your podcast
on, and I just kept hearing things. I was like, man,
that's just making any sense. So I just kept thinking about it for months
and months and months, and I eventually came to the conclusion I believe there
is flat because there's just too many questions and too many you know, complications
that just doesn't make any sense for it. So that's pretty much where I'm
at now. I believe in pretty much all of the conspiracies. I believe
as long as there's proof for it, and it's just a little bit too
far fetched, I believe it honestly. Well, that's pretty much where I'm
at right now. As far as my story. It's interesting you mentioned the
Baron Trump Novels, which was written by Ingersoll Lockwood, because my second ever
guest, four or five years ago, before it was even called the fact
Unner, this guy wrote a book about how like he used that book and
it not quite like Jamatria, but he was able to code. And this
was in well a year before the elections, and he said that Biden was
going to win one hundred percent because of the code, but there would be
some type of you know, debacle, and you know, and sure enough,
I go back and listen to it now, I'm like, man,
that's kind of weird. How he took this book that was written in eighteen
eighty nine and made a code out of it and predicted the outcome of the
election. And sure enough, you know, Biden won and they said he
got eighty one million votes. And obviously we saw all the voting booths,
you know, all the videos, and just we know it was a just
a farce. The entire thing, and it was very interesting how the correlation
between Baron Trump and what happened. And then you have Warner von Braun's book
from the nineteen fifties that talks about going to Mars and his main subject in
the book was named Elon, right that the protagonist was named Elon. So
it's interesting how these these literature, you know, from one hundred and forty
and you know, seventy years go still you know, resonate with what's going
on today, right, and they have there's even more. I mean,
the big thing for me, like my big question when I kept asking myself
way back then when I first saw the TikTok about you know, the novel,
Oh you know, how many? How many coincidences does it take for
you to believe that it's actually true? You know, normally, you you
know, see somebody at the mall, one of your friends, Oh,
what's up? You know about what a coincidence we're both here at the same
time. Cool, But then you see them at the you know, you
know, the Olive Garden, you go over dinner the same day and it's
like, oh, okay, but like all right, are you following me?
Or you know, there's something else going on there. It's not just
just just a string of fourteen coincidences that you know, Yeah, I agree.
I think when you look at something, if there are one or two
coincidences, then it very well could be a coincidence. But nine to eleven
was something for me when there was literally over one hundred things that didn't make
sense or we're some type of coincidence. And that's when I really started to
understand. And then backward track to to Waco, to Oklahoma City, to
the lies that started the Gulf War. And as I continued to go backwards
in history, you start to see that everything is a lie to get to
a certain means, means to an end if you will. And then you
know the one that people won't talk about, like all the lies of World
War two, it's just and now I'm at the point where you look at
the very first president with Washington being a freemason. So again it is our
entire history a complete lie. That is like where I'm at right now,
right, I mean, yeah, I think just about I mean, like
you've been saying, just about everywhere you turn is just another crowc BS.
Even today, I was on the way home when I was saying, I
just got back from the gym, and I was thinking, how do calories
work? Right? Like, there's no way that I started looking into it,
and it was you know, I think measured calories by taking a piece
of food and putting it in a in a little jar and sealing it and
then surrounding that jar with water, and they pump the jar full of oxygen
and then ignite the oxygen with a you know, electrical wires or a spark,
and then and then measure how hot the water gets by how long it
takes for the food to burn off. It just don't makes much sense to
me. I mean, I believe that the nutritional and health industry is just
a bunch of lies as well as to get us, you know, buying
a whole bunch of protein and supplements and whatever else. When I when I
believe the true factor of weight loss is a blood sugar that's like the main
If you can control that, you will lose weight. There's no way you
can't. And that's why I did. I started out as like one hundred
and eighty pounds and I'm down to sorry, two hundred and eighty pounds,
and I'm down to like two hundred. Yeah, and that's that's how I
did it. Calories Counting calories never worked for me. That never ever worked
for me. I swore my body was broken. And then I and then
I discovered fiber and how much that helps regulate your blood sugar and the time
you're eating and fasting. And now I do that, and I've consistently stayed
at the weight that I want to be and ever since then, I don't
really believe the calories are you know, quote unquote real, So you're pretty
much off. What are the killers? So does process sugar those type of
things? Yeah? Everything, Yeah, I mean that'll throw you off.
Even like a mc donald cheeseburger has so much sugar in it, and then
they and then they cover it up with so much salt and it's like bad
quality salt too. So next thing, you know, you're just you get
the high and then the crash, the blood sugar spike and crash, and
that's when it throws off your instant levels. And that's what causes your body
to hold on to excess fat because you know, things is getting all this
food and then it stops getting food, and then it just gets confused.
Really good stuff. Well, congratulations on the weight loss. I know I
could lose a few pounds. I used to run all the time, and
then I had a devastating leg injury a couple of years ago, and I'm
just done. I've already had several knee surgeries. I just I just can't
do it anymore. But so I need to really be more cognizant of what
I'm putting, what I'm eating, and what I'm drinking because I don't have
You know, I used to run five, six seven miles a day.
I can't do that anymore. So I can't do that here. That is
a lot for me. Yeah, I've been running since I was twelve.
With my body the Army, all the body armor up and down and all
that stuff. It just broke it down. So you know, yeah,
I bet. My brother's in the military as well, and he's he's a
he just got promoted to take command of an entire afraid it's some battalion or
a unit or something like that, whole bunch of people. He's taking control
of them all, and he's he's also starting to complain. He's about thirty
years old. He's starting to complain about his body's starting to take damage.
Yeah, I mean one of the most grueling things we used to do with
the twelve mile road marches, you know, with forty five pound pack on
your back and a helmet and carrying your weapon and twelve miles walking in combat
boots, carrying all that stuff. It just destroys your body. And I
think we only did it twice a year, but man, it took a
day or two just to complete rest, you know, to recover from that
stuff. But again, that's awesome what you're doing. Keeping your health,
that's the most important thing. And what a battle. Right. We know
that these companies who basically fill the supermarkets are looking for the cheapest possible product,
and nine times out of ten, those ingredients are more detrimental than helpful,
even the seedless fruits that they're you know, putting in the grocery stores.
Now we've done our best. You know, we do use some items
for long term storage in case of emergencies, but we try to eat,
you know, as little processed food as we possibly can, and we get
our meats from the local butchers so we know where they're coming from. Is
that something you're cognizant of as well? Yeah, where I'm at, it's
pretty it's pretty hard to get the quality quality meat. So I do.
I do a lot of ground beef because that's just the easiest for me.
Yeah, but yeah, I definitely try and be as far extended as I
can as far as nutrition goes, because, like you said in the past,
it's health is the most important thing. If you don't have that,
you're just a rundown mess with nothing else to do. So that video series,
I'm sorry, I didn't hear you. I interrupted you. I thought
you were done. Oh no, I'm done. You're good. So that
video series you said that woke you up? Was that the one that the
female narrated and it was like a ten or thirteen part series. I don't
remember it to google it really quick. I don't remember it being a I
thought it was like a British guy, like a British sounding guy. Let
see. Oh okay, what because I know that one video series that the
lady did she just passed and it included like pizzagate and I'm not even sure
if it covered flat earth though. Well, I just googled it and it's
not there anymore. That doesn't surprise me. You might find it on Rumble
or a bit shoot things like that, but a lot of these videos come
and go, yeah, you know if they go against the official narrative.
Right. My aunt sent it to me on telegram, so that is where
I have it. And yeah, it's like twelve or thirteen parts. It's
it's like, like I said, it's like forty forty minute long episodes.
They're quite long. But uh so, yeah, so much knowledge, so
much knowledge and them and all of it really just makes a lot of sense.
Yeah, I've got a whole bunch of Yeah, I've got them here.
I googled them in preparation for the show and I found it, but
I could not I mean, I can't find that was crazy. I highly
recommend it though. That's really what woke me up fully. And you know,
this series obviously had a different things from nine to eleven to flat Earth?
How did you react when they when they mentioned flat Earth? So originally
my aunt kind of gave me like a sort of like a you know,
teaser, like, hey, like look at this, it's got flatter stuff
in it. And I was like, oh, interesting, okay whatever.
And at that point I had already been looking into conspiracies for a while,
since the whole Baron Trump thing, since freshman year at college, and at
that point I was I was kind of open to it. I was like,
okay, like, you know, this is it's weird. I definitely
don't know, but it's worth looking into. And she also said that it's
got a whole bunch of other stuff in it, like the whole pizza gate
and the so on, so I was also curious about that to know the
truth about that. And then the Flatter stuff started popping up. And since
since the video prefaced with NASA being illegitimate and proving that just fully, there's
no there's no fighting it. At that point, once I believe that NASA
isn't isn't a legitimate, truthful, honest company, at that point I was
like, okay, well, Flatters definitely potentially could be the truth. And
that was pretty much where I started looking into and from that on, I
just dove in, dove in, dove in, started asking questions, googling
things, talking to my buddy about him. He's a very he's a very
logical, straightforward, smart guy. And I was saying, hey, like,
how do you you know what about this? And we were talking about
a rainbow and how that's formed, and I was trying to figure it out.
That doesn't make any sense to me, so I googled it, and
Google said, if I remember correctly, that all of the vapor missed in
the air after like a cloud or a snowstorm or a rainstorm, all of
those water particles are essentially circular, you would imagine, and all of those
particles combined, millions of particles combined together, and that's how it creates an
arc because of the arc in each individual million water droplets that are in the
air, and that's somehow they know to just form a rainbow. And that
doesn't really make any sense to me. And then I started thinking, if
you were when you were a kid, you'll hold the hose up in the
sun and you see a rainbow. And I was like, okay, well,
water arches up, you know, like out of the hose got pressure,
so it goes up and it falls down in an arc. So and
there's a rainbow in the exact same geometry of the arc. It's not like
it's not it's not in the in the shape of the Earth's arc. Because
if that was the case, the rainbow would be straight because it's it just
doesn't make any sense. And that was a big one for me. I
just had to this day, I can't figure it out apart from the Earth
being flat and the water droplets reflecting sort of off of the dome the firmament,
and the other thing I always doubted, even back into great school was
how water stuck to a ball and that. But you know, I was
programmed in a certain way, so I never really followed that thought. Just
every time I thought of it, I thought, that's really odd that water
could stick to a ball. And still to this day, when people say,
what, you're a flat earther, I tell them, how, show
me how water sticks to a ball. Water needs a container. It has
to have a container, and you know, with our with Antarctica and you
know, circling the Earth, that that provides the container. But that globe
model, that has always been at the forefront of my mind. But I
just never took the time to go forward and research it, or otherwise I
might have become a flat earther a lot earlier in my life. Right,
Yeah, I always, I guess just thought, you know, oh,
it's a ball, but it's too much science for me. I'm just not
smart enough exactly. And when you go down to it, it's just this.
I think I am smart enough. There's no way, you know,
And that's that's what they want you to believe. You know, don't question
vaccines. We have doctors for that. Don't question science, we have doc
PhDs for that. Don't question space. We have Niedagrass Tyson, right.
They want you to think that, you know, we have subject matter experts
who you just have to trust no matter what. And you know, it
came to be after realizing all these things and histories or lies, why would
this one thing be that is so what do you think about it? How
fast we're going, how fast we're spinning. It's just ridiculous. When do
you think about it? It really is. I used a wording in my
email. It was just so so crazy, so out there that your regular
guy can't even figure it out. And I just don't believe that's the case
because it just wouldn't make any sense. A big one for me was the
you know, when you when the ship goes away from the horizon in the
water. I was looking at that and I was trying to you know,
I was trying to think critically about this, and I was like, okay,
well, Earth is a globe you have. You know, obviously we're
not supposed to even see that, but we still can. So why is
that? And I was starting I started to get to googling, and apparently
gravity curves light apparently right. But then I googled further and it said that
the that the Earth's gravitational power in the middle isn't strong enough to curve light,
but the suns is. But that's irrelevant to this. Basically, the
Earth light does not curve around the Earth. That's what Google says. It
does not curve around the Earth. So if that's not the case, then
how can we see the ship? And the end of the argument is that
the light refracts and curves around the Earth's surface and then into our eyes exactly.
And I've mentioned this to people who you know, I might amateur radio
operator. My buddy, like I said, he had connections with North Korea.
He received late at night on a clear night, he received transmissions from
North Korea. I've gotten from South Florida from Europe. Excuse me, it
wouldn't work around radio waves, don't you know, wrap around a ball.
And that's just a couple of them. But when you try to have this
type of conversation with people again, it goes that they work on it so
hard, so subconsciously. And that's what I try to tell people. You
look at every TV show, every movie, you see a globe and they
subconsciously hypnotize you to believe this Luta Chris miracle lu to Chris likes and I
don't know why I said miracle. Right. They tell you two things when
you're a child, that this big, you know, fat guy in a
red suit delivers presence. And you live on a ball, right, how
many little babies and have those things hanging above their crib, right, the
little solar system hanging from their right thing. But then you know, you
get to be ten years old and they're like, well we were lying about
Santa Claus, but yeah, you're really living on a ball. Everything is
done so perfect that the people who control the narrative here they understand how dangerous
the flat Earth thing is. And I'm afraid, or I think they're afraid
if they come out too strongly against it, people will be like basically what
Justin Trudeau when he was sitting at the fire hall and he mentioned flat Earth,
and he turned a lot of people into flat earthers because they know whatever
he says is a lie. Yeah. I know. I'm Canadian. I
was born in Canada and my dad is still there, and he was telling
me, you know, the stories and legislation that's coming down, and you
know, all kinds of stuff that Justin should is doing. It's just it
really is just crazy that dude is off his rocker. He needs like prison
first off, potentially death. I don't know what's going on with it.
There needs to be a lot of accountability in this world, that's for sure.
But they do such a good job of dividing us. People buy into
the politics and we stay so busy fighting each other that we completely forget who's
really controlling our misery. By the way, before we get too far in
our conversation, do you remember back in oh my goodness, twenty seventeen,
that guy who went to Comet Pizza and I think he like shot a computer
or something like that, oh vaguely. Yeah, So, you know,
the whole Pizza Gate conspiracy was going on, and this guy went to DC
where Comet Pizza were supposedly, you know, these things were going on in
the basement and he ended up like shooting up. I don't know if it
was a cash register or a computer or something. Do you know who his
the judge was who sentenced him. No, I don't. So does the
name, how do you say it, Catenja Brown Jackson sound familiar? She
is the newest Supreme Court justice that was put on the bench in June of
twenty twenty two. Nope, not familiar. But I do think that all
the Supreme Court justices are not legit. Oh sure, sure, sure,
sure, So I think she was the one who replaced what was the lady
who had been on there forever and she passed, so she replaced I can't
I'll think of her name later, but she was actually the judge who oversaw
that particular case. And always find it interesting that Obama and this judge and
this particular case all have connections because if you remember that, I think the
story came about because of the Wiki leaks, you know, when they released
that information and it was on Wasn't it a part of Hillary Clinton's emails?
I believe. So she had a lot of stuff going on in there,
and that was a big thing in that video series as well. Was her
emails, and it's just once again interesting how people write this stuff off.
Again, if that was you or I and we got rid of that evidence,
would we would have spent twenty years in jail. And you know,
here these people are. They continue, you know, what the Biden family
does, what the Obamas do, and even the Bushes. The Bushes should
be held, you know, for crimes against humanity, but they, you
know, they just go about their lives. And it's really interesting. It
kind of sparks a little bit of that like hopelessness to you. But you
got to try and not be hopeless. But also, I mean for me
at least, I just don't know what I can do. I have no
clue what I can do about it, except for, you know, t
help people and try and wake people up that you know they're corrupt and it's
not what you think it is. I wish I could do something more without
you know, sacrificing my life. Indeed, now, according to this,
she replaced Stephen Bryer, who resigned from the Supreme Court after twenty eight years
there. I know there was another Supreme Court justice who died, but I
can't think of her name right now. It starts with a g. I'm
sure everybody's screaming into their cell phone right now the name of it. But
yeah, flat Earth is something that is is very big, and that is
kind of the reason why we ended up doing its own podcast because it was
still very much, as you know, a stigma within the truth community.
But you know, we understand how big of a lie it is. Where
do you stand as far as if you want to use the term of religious,
are spiritual as a person? Right? So my dad, well both
my parents were my mom less so anyway, my dad was very strict,
you know, Bible Thumberg, very very strict Christian always has my whole life.
My parents gotvorced when I was younger and I went to Living. I
went back to Living, Canada when I was tenth grade of high school,
tenth eleventh grade, and for those two years went to church every single Wednesday,
youth group you know, Easters, Christmases, Sundays, Wednesdays, all
the time. I was always there, and I feel like it was sort
of forced down. My throat was whole, you know, little Christian stuff.
And at that point I think I had friends. I don't At that
age, I didn't care about it. I cared a lot more about you
know, hanging out with my friends and you know, being cool and whatever
else. But growing up I started to resent church a little bit and my
mom. After eleventh grade of high school, I went back to my mom,
and she was in a church her whole life as well. She was
a choir director for many churches. Uh you know the say. Uh she
taught music, so she did a lot of that stuff in the church with
the music. And she always got fired every single time for a bunch of
bs lies, people lying about her and whatever else. And I don't really
know if it truly was her fault because I was young, I don't really
care that much or I don't or like look into it too terribly. But
from my perspective, she was wrongfully fired many, many, many times.
And at that point I started looking into a religious corruption. And I come
to realize that the Christian faith, the Roman Catholic faith especially just so so
deeply, so deeply corrupted that I don't even want any part of it.
I don't want I don't want nothing with it. So the only thing that
I at this point I have a problem with, you know, the quote
unquote church as an establis because in my experience, most times, there's always
something else going on on under the under the behind the scenes, you know,
the pastor doing something weird, or there's something going on in the daycare.
Just something weird going on always every time. So I try to distance
myself from the church as an establishment, and I've yet to find a group
that that I, you know, shared shared values with. But in the
past couple of years, I ventured a lot more into God and everything only
back up the the point in time in my life that I really started with,
like you know, like a light bulb moment. I got arrested a
few years ago, uh for some stupid stuff and ended up being in jail.
They handed me a little Bible tracked thing, and in that track,
it's a really outlined the uh proverb that's prophecy, right, Proverbs of Revelation.
Right, there's a there's a book that's set as something about prophecy.
I believe that it's I don't know. Basically, in that tract, they
were, you know, telling the future, essentially talking about how there will
be great steel chariots of that have lights that will light the way, and
we're going to talk through lightning and all that kind of stuff, and basically
they're talking about cars and telephones and whatever else, and I was just like,
wow, there's there's no way that people way back when could could note
that we're gonna have, you know, great steel chariots that are faster than
whatever that's basically a car. And I was like, Okay, that's interesting.
It's very interesting. And then when I got out, I started looking
a little bit more, and over the past few years, I've been diving
a little bit more by myself, looking into the Book of Enoch and the
Bible. And at this point, i'm fully, fully, I believe the
Bible fully, one hundred percent, and I feel like if you don't believe
the Bible one hundred percent, then you don't believe the Bible. And that's
that's pretty much what I maintained at this point, which is why And like
you said, the Bible specifically, it's not hard to see. The earth
is fine, that that's what it says. There's a dome above us.
That is directly what it says. So therefore, if you don't believe that,
how do you believe anything else? That's great to hear, And you
know, sometimes like myself. I had to go through some extremely difficult times
to realize, you know, and it's a shame that you really have to
go through certain things to be shown the way, but that that is the
case for a lot of us, and I too, am included in that.
There was a guy who was made a video very recently, and while
you were talking, I was trying to find it, but I kind of
respected him. He would go on and, oh, here it is.
His name is, Oh, come on, here it is. Have you
ever heard of justin Peter's ministries. It's interesting and he basically made a video
as we record, it's March twentieth. He made a video just three days
ago and he basically said that flat earthers were embarrassing the Christian community. And
he, for the most part, was a fairly respected, you know guy,
but he always had I think it was a globe of the earth and
like Saturn in the background, one of those like two hundred dollars ones that
spin above this little plastic thing. But he really laand blasted flat earthers.
And as we speak now, he has over fifty three hundred comments, which
made me feel very good because many of those comments were you know, and
that's what really upsets me. Why are you going to bring devices stuff within
the Christian community? There is nothing, you know, satanic about flat earth,
so why would you div your own community? And that's exactly what he
did. And if you look at all the comments, you know, he's
like a guy who's like, I just subscribed to your channel last week and
recommended you to a bunch of people, and now I've got to go back
and tell them, you know, here you are. You know you're supposed
to be, you know, this well read biblical person. And you can't
even see what the word firmament means. You can't see what Joshua ten thirteen
means right when the sun and the moon stood still? And how you're just
going to play that card And it all comes from their programming. And I
guarantee you he's never taken the time to look into what actually flatter it is,
right, He's got to take your pride back for just just a second
and open up and try and look into it actually, and you'll see there's
some things, I mean, granted, there's some things that make sense,
and there's some things that don't make sense. But the fact alone that there's
so much lies in what we're told normally. That's enough for me to not
believe them. It just doesn't make any sense. If they're gonna lie about
everything else, why would they not live about flat Earth as well. And
it's interesting because his average video, I'm going to click on this, hopefully
the volume won't come through. But it's interesting because mostly he'll get fifteen or
twenty thousand. Like his last video, which was two days before that,
he had about two hundred and thirty eight comments. And again this video is
several days older than the flat Earth video he just did, and that video
created fifty three hundred comments. So it is a very You've got to be
careful how you present something that isn't you know, heretic or something that goes
against the Bible. If it just goes against your beliefs as man like you
know how a piece of taste or something like that, you know, fine,
But when you get into something that you know that, I would guess
eighty percent of the people in the flat Earth community are follow Christ or some
type of I hate to use the word religion because I think many of us
are like you, right, we read the Bible, we follow Jesus,
but we don't seem to assimilate into our local churches for one reason or another.
But to go out and call your your fellow brother and sister in Christ,
uh, you know, silly flat earthers, and that you're embarrassing the
Christian community. I mean that's a slap in the face, right, kind
of like the what was it, Locke odulum lock? Is that what it
was? What a uh yeah, what a disaster that was? And crazy,
how are you going to like you can't especially in your congregation. Oh
my goodness, you just proved yourself to be like not, you know,
not christ Like. And if you're a I'm pretty sure the Bible says if
you're a teacher or a pastor, you you are required to follow certain rules.
One of them is being christ Like as best you can. Yeah.
That was three and a half months ago, and that is still had,
that still has a lot of traction on YouTube. People are still that was
just a bad look for especially for Greg Locke. That was a really really
bad look. All right, my o, pin's a great look for flat
earthers because you see how angry he got. Everybody sees how angry he got,
and it's like, Okay, well what's going on. Yeah, this's
gotta be something up to this, right, absolutely, And I'm surprised he
still even has a congregation after throwing fellow Christians out of his church. Yeah,
I would have if I went to church, I would have I would
have left for sure. So at becoming a flat Earth or what other doors
has it opened to you for your for your eyes and your critical thinking slash
you know, conspiracy theorist mind. Man, everything, I'm everywhere I look,
I might see, you know, the number thirty three or thirteen or
sixty six, but I might see it. It's everywhere I look, quite
literally, and in every movie especially, there's always some kind of symbolism that
I'm seeing on Netflix and whatever else. And so I think what I said
in my email was that flat Earth was kind of like the ending one.
So I got led up to I got led up to conspiracies my whole life
pretty much, just you know, mine early here and there, and then
I really started looking into eight years ago, and I pretty much ended with
flat Earth and flat Earth kind of tied them all together because if all of
these other conspiracies are uh, you know true, in my opinion, then
flatter also has to be because there's no way that would. They're lying about
everything else and not and not flat Earth. So basically looking at all of
these conspiracies and looking into flat earth led me to other conspiracies as well,
just because just because I'm interested, and that allowed me to see the world
in a different way because now I can make better decisions in my life,
and you know, as we go on, just like you know, Uh,
I didn't get vaccinated with the COVID vaccine because I obviously why what I
And I'm trying to catch my train of thought. Year do you think that
was because you were in Florida and you had that ability? Uh? Did
your work? Were they like encouraging you to get the vaccine? Uh?
I was never required. I've always been a I always struggled with working,
you know, hourly and you know, going to work punching and punching out.
I've always struggled with that. I don't like it at all. So
now I now I get paid for jobs. Basically the harder I work,
the more I get paid. And I'm also like technically self employed, so
they really can't kind of what to do, which is ideal and in the
and in the construction industry as well. They didn't require me to do that
either, So I was never faced with like a loss, Hey, you
know, get the vaccine or this is gonna happen. I've never I was
never dealt with that decision, which I'm thankful for because I wouldn't. I
don't know what I would do. Yeah, that is that is something to
be thankful for. And uh, your debt. It seems you and your
father pretty like minded. Did you guys have a lot of conversations when they
first kicked off. Did you understand what was really behind this whole agenda?
Well, I don't think my dad is as far as I am, but
my dad is very anti vacci. I wasn't vaccinated as a baby at all.
My dad did that. He said, no, not at all.
So I don't have a single vaccine in my body whatsoever. And I personally
think that I had a lot of benefits because of that. As far as
immune system. I almost never get sick. And I'm you know, I
work in the dirt, like I'm running around with people, and I never
get sick very rarely, maybe maybe once a year maybe, And I feel
like I have a lot of, you know, developmental advantages as well,
because I feel like vaccines, even the baby ones, just like like the
vitamin K shot, all that kind of stuff. It's supposed to really affect
you growing up as far as development goes. And the fact that I didn't
have any of that, I feel like maybe maybe I'm better off. I
don't know, but I don't. I'm glad my father never never vaccinated me,
for sure, I knowing what I know now. Yeah, So the
gentleman I interviewed this past Saturday night, Jason, he had mentioned, your
body doesn't start to if I remember correctly, your body doesn't start to generate
vitamin K until the eighth day. That's why you wait to get circumcised to
the eight day so your blood can coagulate. So when they put that in
your body at birth, it messes up your system, doesn't There's a reason
why our body does certain things at certain times, and when you alter that
timeframe, it doesn't give your chance I guess a body, or chance to
completely heal from childbirth. Something to that nature. During that first seven days
was really interesting. I'd never really looked at that before. That's interesting a
connection. I just I was just reading the Book of josh Er yesterday and
it said that Abram when documented Abraham to get the circumcision of his people,
it's also after eight days. Yep. Absolutely that that's because that's when your
body can start the coagulation. And that's I guess why you're supposed to wait
the eight days is because the vitamin K that's when it starts generating. But
when it's put at at birth, then you're it kind of jacks up your
system like so many of these other not even to mension, the formaldehyde and
all these other uh conjuncts that that that put in to the and to these
vaccines which are so harmful, whether it be mercury or like I said,
formaldehyde, there's so many dangerous things within these vaccines. It's very nefarious.
Yeah, I think, yeah, that is. That's kind of crazy.
How even I mean, we already know, but even as God he knew
that, you know, obviously obviously he created us, right because how how
would he know to to make sure you don't circumcise before eight days because the
baby will bleed out? Like, like, how are you gonna know that?
Obviously God, you know, obviously he created us because he wouldn't know
that if you didn't. And by the way, I should tie tie up
something we spoke about before. So Ruth Bader Ginsburg died in twenty twenty.
I can't believe it's been four years. It doesn't seem that long. And
Amy Cony Barrett was the one who succeeded her, and then Steven Bryer retired,
and that's who, uh conten Ja Brown Jackson uh succeeded. And again
she's the one who is the judge in the in the Pizzagate comet shooting,
which again another coin for the conspiracy jar. Have you had any luck sharing
no knowledge of flat Earth with anyone? Not fully, not fully. I've
gotten a couple of wheels turning, you know, but not not fully convinced
anybody. Back when I first, you know, started believing it fully,
I brought it up at work and everybody was like, oh, no,
you're you're crazy all that. I was like, yeah, what I wrap.
I expect that for sure. I'm usually kind of like the I guess
you could say class clown or whatever. But so I worked in patter with
the joker and they kind of took they didn't take me seriously because of that
reason, which is, you know, fine, it's almost a better position.
I started googling some things, and I was googling, you know,
the NASA fails and I was like, I mean, look at this.
Uh. It was actually specifically it was the Go Fast Rocket and and the
YouTube video was titled disproving the Go Fast Rocket and and so on, and
in that video it's I showed everybody, Uh it curved like like you know,
the the curvature of the Earth. In the video, it went from
curve to flat and then back and then and then like an inverse curve.
And they were all like, oh, that's weird. Oh that's weird.
I was like, yeah, yep, and it is a little weird.
Start looking into it. Yeah. You could spend days looking at NASA fails.
Right, And that's my biggest thing. If you can if you can
see, if you can disprove you know, what we understand as outer space,
everything else falls in place. And that is very easy to disprove,
in my opinion, is the outer space. And you can google Devin Island.
NASA has a bunch of Devon islanding. I think it's greenland that they
film a lot of stuff up there. It's been proven that a lot of
the images they claim to be from Mars is from Devon Island in Greenland.
Right. A friend of mine was like, you know, I have the
moon rock and I was like, I mean, okay, but how do
you know it came from the Moon, And like, did they really haul
like freighters full of rocks to sell to people on Earth? Like, probably
not? So is it actually moon rock? Probably not? Oh oh yeah,
that makes sense. Yeah, you know, And that's another one of
my what is becoming one of my silver bullets is how is it when we
look up at the moon, it's it's so bright and obviously it would only
be bright or the closer you got to it, But when they show us
images from it, it's just a dusty old rock. Is that just their
way of mocking us? Hey? It just doesn't make any sense to me
at all on that topic. Can you explain something for me? I how
the moon is its own luminary and the sun and the moon temperature in the
shadow is like different. Yeah, the the moon light is colder than the
variant temperature on the ground. So it's very easier to do. Just put
one thermometer in the shade at night, like behind a tree or something,
and then put another one directly in the moonlight. You'll see a difference of
two to three degrees every time. And the reason that that cruise spot Earth
is because it's not the sun giving temperature, which would be constant correct,
correct, That's crazy to me, that's yeah. And if you look at
again, if you go to Google, who was the master of it,
will tell you that the sun, you know, the sun shines on the
moon, and the moon reflects the light down on us, which is again
ridiculous, especially again if you look at the pictures that they send, it
would be so bright they wouldn't even be able to see if you, if
you honestly think about it, that there's no way they would be able to
see if they got that close to it. Because even if the Bible says
the moon is a lesser light, it is still plenty bright. Right.
And again it's I don't believe it is a rock where you can physically walk
on it. I think it is a very you know, it's number one
within the firmament, so you can't even land on it. And I would
assume it's some type of you know, we can't even understand what substance it
is. We would equate it to something like plasma. But these things we
are never going to know until, you know, we go on to the
next life, until we you know, walk through those pearly gates. But
but science has an answer for everything, and that's what people need to understand.
How are history books have an answer for everything and ninety percent of those
are lies? And it's the same with you know, the heliocentric model and
all its answers. They're lies. Yeah. I really don't understand how it's
believable to some people age they just put it out of their mind and it
doesn't matter to them. But my opinion, it matters greatly as far as
you know. Salvation number one and number two how to live life on this
earth and number three, how to not get sick and die earlier than you
should be, is another big one. I know you're more towards the northern
part of Florida, But have you been able to witness any launches? No,
I haven't seen them, but I have seen the arguments how it always
goes up and curves. Yep. I was talking to a friend the other
day, crazy, crazy, crazy, I was talking to friend of that
and he was telling me, well, so what happens is the rocket goes
up, the top piece disconnects, and then the fuel canisters fall down,
and that's what you're seeing, Kirk. And I'm like, okay, but
like, how number one we would see that that that you know, human
capsule go up into the space. You'd be able to see that because it's
close enough. And then also, if you're spinning at this fast, you're
telling me that they just sniped the Moon, like you know, they somehow
calculated you know, the Earth's rotation and the Solar System's position, and launch
it the precise second where it's going to be. It's gonna basically slingshot you
around. And if that's the case, wouldn't the rocket goes straight up because
it has to be slingshot to you know, hit the moon. Just doesn't
make any sense. Yeah, And all those things you try to point out
to people and they always have their scientific answer for it, and they're smarter
than us, they know better, they are And you know what's funny is
we've done we know more about heliocentric model than they do, and we've actually
going out and done laser tests. We can see too far. As I
mentioned earlier about the moonlight, on and on and on and but but they
will just take And again it bugs me because a lot of even truthers who
understand that everything from nine to eleven to World War Two is a complete lie,
but they actually think they're telling us the truth about the flat earth.
That again, I hate to beat a dead horse, but it really goes
to show how much effort and work they put into, you know, the
prison planet locking, you know, putting that lock on your mind, on
that last door that you know, we've been trying to break down here for
the last year and a half at least on this podcast. Yeah, definitely.
I it's it's crazy to mean to a thing and try it. It's
almost it's like mind blowing thinking of all the conspiracies and trying to compile them
all into your head and make sense of it. I mean, the only
sense that I can make is that it's just a bunch of bs and what
I believe is true, and that's really all I can go off of at
this point. Now, I want to touch back on your email because you
had mentioned that you had already said that you're convinced God is real and you're
a Bible believer. But you did say you had an interesting take on creation.
You said you believe we aren't the first. You believe there was a
previous Earth type place with some form of life on it, and during the
Fall, the battle destroyed it utterly, so much so that God had to
rebuild and start a new perfect creation, which is us. And then you
had a few Bible verses to support it, So go ahead. Yeah,
when I was in high school, my mom brought us part of this church,
and I forget the name and everything, I remember who they are.
That's how I actually found more knowledge about it. But they taught me that
in that there was a previous, not necessarily perfect creation. There was just
some form of life four us, some form maybe not you know, our
normal humans maybe who knows. But in let me see if I can pull
up the verse here. Basically, that's what they taught me. And then
and then and then during the fall, everything was destroyed and then God restarted
with a brand new US, human, perfect perfect creation. Here we are.
Oh, let me see if I can find the verse on the biblop
it is the verse is it's Peter two, Peter three five through three,
six, and uh, you have to forgive me, I'm not the most
terribly knowledgeable. No. It says for this they willingly are ignorant of that
by the word of God, the heavens were of old, and the earth
standing out of the water and in the water. And then six says whereby
the world that then was being overflowed with water perish, which is referring to
you know, uh, Noah arc and the flood of the earth. I'm
trying to trying to find it. Yeah. Second, Peter, Now,
grants, I might be wrong about this, but this is what I was
taught, and it's what made a lot of sense. But recently I'm not
sure if the I mean, the Book of Knock says that people that there
was just the one flood, so I might be wrong on this. Yeah,
it's if you start, you know, Genesis six, and it talks
about how evil the world became, and then uh, you know, he
chows Noah, and of course Noah's story happened, and then you know that
that was basically the the nephilum, what was in that, that's how evil
the world was. So he flooded the earth and then uh started again with
Noah uh and everything else. And then not too long after that, of
course, was Genesis eleven, which was of course Nimron. Right in the
Book of Jasher is a lot on Nimrod. That's very very interesting for me.
Yeah, and Joshua ten thirteen, if I'm not mistaken, actually refers
to the Book of Josher. Actually I think it's josh Er eighty nine it
refers to, which is crazy to me because isn't aren't like the Dead Sea
scrolls, those aren't supposed to be God inspired, But if the Bible is
referring to them, like, what's what's the deal there? Yeah, the
Book of Jasher is mentioned, but I think I'm not sure if the Book
of Enoch is referred to. Obviously, the person Enoch is referred to in
the Bible, but that's one of the few books the Apocrypha that are actually
acknowledged, And it's interesting because it actually acknowledges the book and a chapter,
which that's why a lot of people will do the Geneva Bible because that does
include the fourteen chapters of the including the Book of Jashure, but it does
not have Enoch, right is That's my dad always told me he said,
it's not God inspired, but there's something there. I think. Yeah,
it's like a history book. I guess it's probably the best way to put
it, right. I feel like it goes through the life about him and
even what happened after creation a little bit more than just what the Bible says,
which is very interesting for me. That's a part of the reason why
I believe it. Yeah, thirteen says and the sun stood still, and
the moon stayed until the people have avenged themselves upon their enemies. And then
it says, is not this written in the Book of Jashure? So the
sun stood still in the midst of heaven and hasted not to go down about
a whole day. It just says the book. For some I know it's
chapter eighty nine, but again it does say the Book of Joshure. So
very interesting indeed for sure. Yeah. Yeah, And I had another question
for you. I think it had to do with Florida. Are you seeing
this influx of people that are coming in, you know, because here in
Delaware we're getting an influx of New York folks, which is driving up real
estate prices just insanely, on top of the interest rates that are very high.
Are you guys getting an influx of people fleeing whatever, you know,
California and New York, et cetera. Yeah, there's a lot of people
here that are well, I live in college town, so I have a
lot of people from a lot of different areas. So I'm not too knowledgeable
on the more like residential you know cities, this is where the capital is,
and this is and where Florida State is. So I got a lot
of people from a lot of different walks of life as well. So,
but I do know that people are Florida is the retirement capital of the United
States. Everybody comes to Florida once they get old, Yeah, for sure,
and it's a booming economy, and I guess it's one of the few
places. You know, there was a lot of tyranny going on everywhere,
but I think Florida was one of the places that never although I've had people
from Florida on and they said while the news was reporting that that you know,
Florida was as bashed from masks, that there was still a lot of
cities and towns that were pushing it. There were as far as COVID there
were for sure. I think, well, once it became a from my
understanding, once it became a national mandate, everybody had to follow the rules.
But as soon as that man it was lifted, a lot of people
took off the mask, including me, and took a lot of flak for
it. But other than not, Yeah, Florida's pretty well as free as
free as we can get. Florida is one of the freer ones, I
would believe. Indeed, Yeah, great stuff. Was there any points that
you wanted to hit that we haven't talked about yet? Let see, right
out of my five it's this six silver bullets. Me see if I can
find Yeah, for sure what I had here? Right? The Captain Cook
certain navigation that was a big one for me. That was interes didn't make
any sense because how you know, how can he how can he travel for
so long and come up with however many miles he came up with when it's
not supposed to be nearly that big and then that's just breezed over, you
know. That is also I'm glad you mentioned that is something I've mentioned quite
often in conversations with And this is just off the top of my head.
I want to say, you know, if you go around. According to
the globe, it's like twelve or fifteen thousand miles if that would be the
circumference of Antarctica if you did it by boat. But he what did it
to take him two and a half three years and it was over sixty thousand
miles. He navigated right. And the argument is, well, what if
you got lost and got turned around? I'm like, well, how would
you do that? If you all you have to do is look to your
left or right and if there's land there consistently that you're on draft. Yeah,
that that's a silly argument, especially since he was considered one of the
premiere I mean, if you're going to go on that type of expedition,
you're not some rookie who's going to get lost, right, You're gonna die
if you're if you're a rookie for sure, and then that and in those
cold temperatures as well, it just doesn't make it doesn't make any sense to
me. I I don't I don't think that that is legitimate. Did you
ever buy the Admiral bird Secret Diary? So that's so interesting to me.
That is so interesting because part of me, you know, part of me,
you know the fantasy lover. Part of me is like, no way,
that's got That's so cool, right, there's like a you know,
Hallo of Earth and he got sucked in and you know, sent out to
do his mission. That's so cool, Like what if that's true? But
also there's in my from what I've seen, is very little additional evidence apart
from his journal, and like you know, there's like Nazis in the in
the middle of the Earth that just it's it's it seems it's hard to believe.
Agreed, one hundred percent agreed. I think it's something his sun got
his hand on, maybe wanted to make a few bucks and ran with it.
You know, we'll never probably know, is there may be something else
past there? We don't know, but I do believe we are actually you
know, it's flat mostly obviously mountains and everything else, and we're covered,
you know, like a terrarium styled firmament, you know, the whole earth
in a vacuum, you know, next to a vacuum. It makes no
sense. Rocketry would not even work in a vacuum, right, And that's
yeah, I think you got the Van Allen Belt and that's supposed to burn
at like two thousand to twenty thousand degrees depending on where you are, Yeah,
depend where you are. Yeah. Like, namely, one material that
can sustain that for any period of time lay on Earth. There's there's not
one. And if you look at the hunk of garbage that they tell us
that went to the Moon, that is a complete joke, right, lawn
chairs, aluminum foil and plastic wrap, that's all it was. That's insane.
I that's another big prover that we never went to there to the Moon
was because yeah, I mean the radio call to the President from the Moon,
the actual lunar lander, nothing adds up at all whatsoever. I was
watching video of the Last Space Walk, I think it was nineteen seventy two,
and one of the guys fell over and it was so obvious he had
a harness attached to him, Like, it was so obvious. And then
I go down to the comments section and people were just talking about what a
miracle and how amazing this was, and I'm just like wow, you know.
But then I also realized at one point I was them. I was,
and not to be like I'm awake, look at me, but I'm
just saying I believe the lie making it. Yeah, that's how can you
see something that's so obvious and then just because it's produced by a specific company,
just just believe it blindly. It's just like even in even in their
uh, let's see what I want to talk about in their videos, there's
a many many videes. You find them all over on Dave's app Flat Earth,
Dave app, on the NASA fails page on him on his YouTube playlists.
A lot of the fails have weird curves in them when it's not supposed
to. Because if you know anything about a fish eye lens, the the
you know, item that is in in the lens, the more it's centered,
it's not gonna be distorted nearly as much. But as soon as that
that item goes you know, left, right, center, anywhere but the
center of the screen, it's gonna get distorted. That's how fish eye lens
works. So if it goes up, it's gonna get bent down. If
it goes down, it's gonna be bent up. If it goes left,
it's gonna be bent you know that way. And as soon as I saw
a video of a wrench being floating, it was floating in space during space
spacewalk and the wrench floated, you know, off camera, and as more
it got to the edge of the screen, it bent more and more and
more and more. And that that alone is just proof that it's just a
whole pot of lies. It's just you know, and they only show the
earth, the Earth's turvature on the edge of the screen when it's in like
a video, and they never showed when it's flat on because when it's flat
centered on the video camera, the Earth is flat, it shows right there.
So one of the questions that I've been pondering quite often lately is,
you know, you have all these people who are involved with NASA. Obviously,
we know the people who work behind the computers and take out the trash
and make parts that they're all compartmentalized and have their own job and then don't
really get to the they'll launch the iss that type of thing. There are
people within this government, you know, it's several thousand who know the lie.
So I've been really doing some research and trying to understand, so do
the are these people just regular people who you know, went through life and
then when they've got to NASA, they were told, you know, they
were taken into a room and they had to join a secret society where they
were told if you ever speak of this, your family will get wiped off
the earth. Or And this is something that I've I've mentioned with a few
other people. I'm not sure if I've ever said it on the podcast.
But what is the chance there is a I don't know if I want to
use the word continent, but a sizable land that is out there that nobody
knows of, probably in the Pacific, where they raise the these people up
to believe the world in a certain fashion. Uh, and then they they
bring them into the States or wherever on the world stage, and they they
honestly believe what they are saying, like like it's you know, some kind
of mind control process. Because I do suspect because you know, the whole
NASA thing has been going on for sixty years now, uh, and there
have been some whistleblowers. Do you think that anything like that is possible?
I mean, we've seen some pretty some pretty extraordinary lies, some pretty complicated,
you know, deceptions with many, many, many layers, and I
think it's possible. And as far as regular folks like you and me discovering
that land probably not right, but other government. I mean, obviously we
already know that all the governments for the most part, are involved in this
you know, conspiracy. So you're saying that potentially everybody that works in like
upper government was potentially raised to believe what they believe and then pushed on the
regular people like you and me. Yeah, exactly. Imagine being born in
a land that nobody knows of and the whole time you're brought up just you
know, you're going to be an astronaut, you're going to be a president,
and they just like it's nothing but a mind controlled you know, process
for eighteen twenty thirty years. Because if you're brought up somewhere with no TV,
no radio, you have nothing that's going on, and you're meant to
believe something, and then you're brought into a certain position. I mean,
I think you can alter the mind in ways that we just can't even understand
now. David Weiss he believes that the North Korea is a front for the
CIA, and that could be one of the lands where this is done.
If you remember we had the Korean War in the fifties, and you know,
it's supposedly one of the most secretive places in the world. I think
he tends to think similar to what I think, but instead of some far
distant land, I think he thinks it's North Korea, and that's definitely possible,
and we don't know. As far as I'm aware, we don't know
just about anything about North Korea apart from you don't want to go there because
it won't let you out and it's a terrible, terrible place to live.
Right There's been a couple people that have, you know, escaped North Korea,
like that one girl on TikTok and other testimonies that have escaped, and
potentially that would make sense because I can't imagine being mind controlled and everything from
birth would be the best life ever for you. Because you can do research
that there was CIA in North Korea beginning in the late forties, and if
you look at that weird time during the mid to late forties when the OSS
turned into the CIA and then there is you can find conspiracies. There's a
few out people out there who believe that North Korea is actually because if not,
if I'm not mistaken, Kim Jung un he actually went to college in
Switzerland, and that is one of the biggest red airings in the world.
That is the home of the World Economic Forum, the Bank of International Settlements,
that's where the World Zionis organization started in eighteen ninety seven. And it
too is the polar opposite of North Korea. Right, it's the secret you
can't go there and communists and then you know they portray Switzerland is the polar
opposite, right, Chocolate and yodeling and dancing in the mountains. But you
really have everything I just mentioned, plus CERN and a lot of evil roots
of Switzerland. So it's interesting those two connect CERN. CERN was a big
topic of discussion I think like a year and a half ago when they were
doing that big test during the during COVID, I believe, and they were
telling us that, well, the conspiracies were that that them doing that opened
up some kind of crazy rift in time and changed our dimension. And now
here we are in the dimension that that they want us to be in.
I don't know if to shoot any of that. I don't know anything about
particle accelerators or anything like that, but I do know that CERN is not
the best company on the planet. Uh. They They do a pretty deep
dive on CERN in the video series that that that woke me up. They
did, uh, they did like a human sacrifice in the cern courtyard.
Their logo there, don't they have like Shiva, the god of destruction in
front of their building. Yeah, and they had a very weird opening ceremony
where they did sacrifice someone in effigy, right, just kind of like when
Alex Joe first went to Bohemian Grove in two thousand where they burned someone.
It was an effigy, but it was still a ritual. Which again,
I don't think he's snuck in there. He's part of the club. But
that's that's a conversation for another day. Yeah. Yeah, I mean in
the the video series that I watched, there was a video of this guy
was was in his apartment complex or whatever, and he's, you know,
peeking through the blinds and you can see it's like if he's like taking on
his iPhone and you can see that It wasn't terribly clear, but you could
see that somebody, somebody or an effigy was sacrificed in the courtyard. I
saw the video. Oh that's right. I remember the screaming and all that
that was going on, right, and that was crazy, Like part of
me thinks that no way they would do that in the public eye. But
also they might. I don't know, yeah, I think that. I
think. I'll tell me your opinion. So obviously you're aware of all of
these, you know, Jamatria and the numbers and the coincidences and all these
things that just tie in together. It just doesn't make any sense. Do
you think that it is supernatural by any means? Like demonic? Actually?
What's that like? Okay, okay, I'll just you know, just a
basic one. Yeah, the whole Taylor Swift conspiracy and how she has you
know, this is our thirteenth game. She came to Travis Kelsey's numbers,
uh, his Jersey numbers whatever, minus thirteen and then oh yeah, she
flew thirteen hours to get here, and yeah, everything else is rituals by
the numbers. Uh, that's why. So are you familiar with the rock
band The Police uh from you? Yes, Yeah, it's yeah. They're
big in the eighties, They were huge in the early in nineteen eighty three,
and they released a song about Jamatria in nineteen eighty three, and everything
is inverted. The inversion of eighty three is thirty and thirty eight is the
murder number we just talked about on the Fact Hunner podcast yesterday, that extortion
seventeen all the soldiers who were killed who were involved in the bin Laden killing,
right, and then the story got out of control so that they had
all those soldiers killed in August. There was thirty eight people on board that
plane. Anytime you see the number thirty eight, you see the number eleven
or nineteen, those are the big three numbers you got to stop. And
of course thirty three, right, there's COVID nineteen. How many hijackers were
there nineteen? Right, Yeah, And all of these numbers are signs that
it is a ritual or it is a hoax, one or the other.
So, yeah, they do these things by the number. There's a reason
they initiated Waco on April nineteenth because that date is the Feast of Moloch,
and the same with Waco. There's dates, there's numbers, and all of
those things have meanings hundred percent, and it does. It's very demontic.
It's it's a satanic. Right. So my question is I guess all of
like, if you take all the coincidences, you know, nine to eleven
Taylor Swift Waco all these coincidences and put them all into a pot, like,
do you think that that there's like a demon or some satan, somebody
controlling these people that are telling them, Hey, you need to be doing
this because you know, this is going to line up with the with the
rest of the coincidences that we've already laid out. He's liked the chance of
a human just saying, Oh, I'm gonna make sure that I'm on you
know Taylor shirt, that I'm on this super Bowl and they're going to win,
and I'm gonnadd a whole bunch of thirteen's in here. Make sure that
my flight thirteen hours. Want to make sure that Travis Kelsey's jersey number is
eighty seven one hundred minus thirteen. And then you know all these quinticses,
How how does a human, a regular person line all these coincidences up to
where they make sense and like they all line up perfectly. There's no way.
I don't think it's it's got to be supernatural, demonic, somebody controlling,
satan, controlling the string something. It is satanic because everyone who is
in the club are in the music industry, they're in sports, entertainment,
industry, and they know, like you know, these people are selected.
They know these people can be corrupted. When you put that kind of paycheck
in front of people, ninety nine percent of the people will bend their need
of Satan to get this type of fame and fortune. There's very little that
is organic in our society today, especially again in the music and entertainment and
in politics. You have to be you have to join the club and bend
the knee and be corrupted in order to be a part of that particular club.
And yeah, there are people at the very top of the food chain
who do I believe, communicate with Satan, and they do numbers and these
rituals because of what they believe in Jamatria. And there's a reason they did
that event on nine to eleven because of the numbers. You know, it's
it's a big deal to them. And again for someone to think that all
these things are just coincidences, like everything you just laid out, you know,
it's completely completely wrong. All of these events. You go to the
King Soup shooting that was March twenty second, three twenty two, not a
coincidence. If you look at that King Soups, it was store number thirty
three, you know, the Buffalo House of the King. From what I
heard one of your guys, the King, the Son and whatever else.
Yeah, yeah, the King, the Son and JAYL told us that.
Yeah, yep, yep. So yeah, they do all this for a
reason and to the normal person it's just an event. But none of it
is. None of it is. This is all scripted years out in advance.
There you go, yeah, it really is. I mean really,
the only option is God at this point, like there's no way that we
can fight kind of no corruption, the kind of it takes. So it's
that's it's got to be supernatural the way they do it, which means the
only option for survival is supernatural God. Yeah, and you could fight locally.
I call my governor every week. He hates me, and you know,
we have so much evil going on here. Between all the abortions,
we have a gender clinic that you know, gives children as young as ten
puberty blockers, children as young as twelve. They'll do the operations and people
just go about their day thinking that if if they don't look at it,
if they don't pay attention to it, then they're not involved. But the
thing is, if evil's happening around you. I believe it's your duty and
your responsibility as a follow up Jesus Christ, to stand up to that evil.
Oh yeah, more and more it it needs to be done, It
needs to be combated. It has to be there, and it's just not
right. It's pure evil and got to do something about it. You can't
just stand by and watch. Yeah. By the way, cern is more
that they make it sound like it is a supernatural which it may have some
type of that, but that's where I believe that's where they control the Internet.
Like, yeah, on April the eighth, if they want to make
us feel like, you know, something supernatural is going on, they could
just throw the switch. I think they could just throw the switch on the
entire United States of America. If that's part of the plan. I fully
believe they can. They can do. Yeah, for sure, they can.
They can control our feelings. They can control because everything. As far
as i'm I'm I don't know too too much about this topic, but it
makes a lot of sense. You know, energy in the world, and
everything's got a vibration, and everything's got you know, something going on at
a deeper cellular atomic level, and if you, if you can change that,
you know, if you, if you, if you talk nice to
water, it's supposed to hydrate you more. And that's proven the Rice experiment.
Yeah, that's also proven the dual slot you know, the dual slit
experiment. That one also is very weird. So there's something, there's something
to it. There's definitely something to our energies and something something else going on.
And if there's something to it, then it can be controlled, I
believe, yes, indeed, And if you guys are into research and things,
I know we've talked about that on a previous podcast with the Rice experiment,
we dropped a YouTube video in there. But also the sern is quite
a deep dive. If you look at the guy who claims to have you
know that the big joke is Al Gore created the Internet, but the truth
is a guy named Tim berners Lee who is a guy from the UK.
He created it in nineteen eighty nine when he was working at CERN. CERN
has been around for a long long time. Right, maybe something with a
particle acceleration yep, and that is supposed to disrupt our natural world in some
way. Yeah, and listen, you know, if you actually look at
the side effects. You know, when COVID first started, I got all
kinds of emails from listeners saying that this was actually five G. And if
you go to Google and put in you know, symptoms of COVID and then
you put symptoms of radiation illness, they're very, very similar. Yeah,
it really that, it does make sense. I mean, I got COVID
once. I think it was COVID. I never really got tested, but
I lost my taste and that was about it. But apart from that,
I just kind of felt like, felt like crap. It wasn't too too
bad. But that's you know, like you said, it's is it covid,
is it five G? Is it the vapes? You know? And
nobody knows. My brother just got back from well back in COVID was was
about to be kicked off fully in in America. He was in I think,
I think Korea. He was in Korea, and he said, all
the soldiers they all got sick, everybody, they all got sick with COVID
symptoms. And then they came back to the States after they were done their
deployment, and at that point COVID popped off. My brother was like,
hmm, this is weird. You know, we were all sick with these
exact same semm. I think we all had COVID. Apparently in South Korea.
What year was that COVID came up? What twenty twenty? Yeah,
oh so okay at the same time. Yeah, like he had just came
back from he must have been the twenty nineteen then, I guess just like
a year before COVID really became prevalent in the United States, right right,
I agree. I put out a COVID origins video and in the summer they
blamed it on vapes. In the early spring, they blamed it on those
all kinds of illnesses running wild around Fort Dietrich, Maryland. And they had
the highest reports of flu cases the September of twenty nineteen than they have ever
had before. And it's always China, right, I always say, there's
not a thing that goes on in this world that doesn't go through here.
Yeah, I mean, we're the you know, we're the I guess testing
grounds, since we just believe everything as a country. Oh yeah, well,
the CIA controls everything, whether it's Darpus, CIA or the NIH or
Fort te Trick Maryland. We did a podcast a while ago on what's the
name of the thing with the tick bite lime disease and the Plum Island up
there in New York. And by the way, they moved Plumb Island to
the middle of the country last year. So they used to do this testing
animal testing, you know, on this island in the Atlantic Ocean that was
at least kind of away from the country. Now they dropped it in like
Manhattan, Kansas, just dead in the middle of the country. Crazy not
to have you know, it's not the range is there. So now they're
going to get everybody's And it's interesting because this past fall there was an illness
from rampant through that area in Kansas. But I'm sure it was just a
coincidence. Just wild to me. I don't how do people not see this?
How do people not see And that's what I'm saying when I say like
to make better decisions, because it's it's truly is literally everywhere. If you
don't if you don't know these conspiracies, like what happens. If I didn't
know that the COVID vaccine was just not it, I would have it and
then now I would be, you know, potentially an infertile or get sick
and I have a random heart attack like all these people are having, and
all because I didn't know. And that's that's my main reason why I'm so
into these conspiracies, because I don't believe they're conspiracies. I believe that that
they actually happened. And how mulos to protect myself? Once you know the
mark the beast comes out, and you know, the Bible says that deception
in the end time is going to be the greatest it has ever been,
and it's going to fool everybody basically, And the only way you're going to
be able to know is if you follow God and you know the Word and
you know you know the Bible. So that's the only way to protect myself
is to learn these things and recognize theception when it is deception, and be
able to make my decisions the best I can based off that knowledge. That's
right, And I think it sounds one eighteen eight that says put your trust
in God, not in man, And that's what we do inherently as people.
You know, something happens and we look to the guy with the PhD
or the white lab coat because humans are flawed, they're imperfect, they're selfish,
they're greedy, and right, they have a tendency to engage in behaviors
that are harmful to people. And we've seen that over and over again.
Yet we still have this group of people, these block of people that fully
trust this government, which baffles my mind. I just can't. I don't
know if it's just you know, cog, you know, it's just their
choice, blissful ignorance. I guess they would call it right that they are
just more concerned about their daily activities than but listen, at some point,
they're going to come cast that check that we've been writing for the last however
many years, and things are going to be very rough for a lot of
people. And you know, if you wish that on your children and grandchildren,
then that that's tough. I'd rather face the music now and get it
over with and start the rebuilding process than have this thing go off ten to
fifteen years down, you know, ten or fifteen years down the road.
And these younger folks have to deal with it, right, and it's only
getting worse. And I've seen it even in my you know, since like
I guess, age like sixteen, from sixteen to twenty seven, I've noticed
every year it's more and more. Every year, it's more and more and
more and more. Pretty soon, there's like it's just you know, what's
it called foot it's the foot in the door technique. You know, you
start with something small and just start building building, asking for more and more
and more, and it's, oh, you allowed that to go through.
So it's not it's not that much worse like relacts, just go ahead and
let it, and then here we are. You know, we're about to
approve just you know, transgenders on thirteen year old girls and whatever else.
Even when it specifically says in the Bible that mutilation of the of of children
is the evilest sin. That's just it's insane we're allowing that. And I
think that at about ten years or if the world's not if the you know,
the rapture doesn't happen by then, I think we're gonna start allowing some
truly truly heinous things like the uh, the boy Love petition group for the
government. How they're trying to push that to make it legal. Yeah,
well yeah, it's like the underage Holy there's no way we get to that,
right. But also like, look, you know, we didn't think
we would allow gay marriage. Way back when we didn't allow that, we
would you know, we just started doing you know, the transitions on children.
Deep do you think we're gonna stuff like that? It's becoming more and
more prevalent. So the longer we go and the more and the more we
allow, the more we will start to allow until we're just truly a point
of no return. Yep, I couldn't agree more that they could. It's
boiling the frog. They normalize one thing, that they'll go one step forward,
two steps back, but that they always come back. And it's just
the normalize it a little bit at the time. And you're right, I'm
petrified to see what the world's going to look like ten years from now.
It's just you look where you're at today, and there's a lot of beauty,
a lot of good things, and you know, you can't dwell twenty
four to seven on these things. But at the same time, you can't
turn a blind eye to these evils either, right, And like you said,
they tell us and everything too, and it's you have to be able
to know these things in order to to uh make the correct decision like all
these you know, like you said in the movie, the Barack Obama movie
Leave the World Behind. Yeah, yeah, that it literally tells you,
It tells you everything right there. Yeah, so much symbolism in that movie,
from the checkered floors to the NASA to just one thing to the racial
divisiveness that it was a complete mockery the whole show. And it was a
bad movie to boot right. I mean, how are you going to know
what you're looking at if you don't know what to look for? And that's
why, I you know, it really is crazy to see all these evil
things that are happening, even just in regular movies are supposed to be you
know, good. You might see a number and you start to think,
oh boy, what else is going to be here? Yeah, you watch
something simple light Seinfeld, start paying attention to the building numbers and all those
type of things. It's in every show that, I mean, everything is
created for a reason, and it's to get us to think a certain way,
and it's to keep us in a matrix that keeps us busy, keeps
us working and not paying attention to the important things, and keep us most
importantly fighting between ourselves. So it keeps the attention away from the people who,
like I said, are causing all of this misery. We fit the
ninety minute mark, so again I want to thank you so much for joining
us. It's been a great conversation. But before we leave, I certainly
want to give you the last word. Uh yeah, no problem. Yeah,
it was a great conversation. I had a lot of fun. Last
word pretty much, w be just keep your eyes open and you know,
be aware of what is coming around you and what's about to happen, because
that's the best way you can make your decisions and protect yourself and your family
and everything that you care about. That's the best way is to know what
the true plan is. That's pretty much it. Thanks for having me,
George. Yeah, and again it was a pleasure to have you all the
best down there in Florida. And we'll have Noah's email address in the show
notes if you would like to reach out to them. As well as everything
we talk about, we'll have some links for you to do some further investigation.
And thank you for your continued support of this podcast. For Noah,
I'm George, God bless you all. Everybody. Have a great weekend.
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