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Hey everybody, this is Left Striving Yes, yes, I know aka Survivor
Man and you're listening to Brian on sasquatch Audisen. Hey dare welcome back to
sasquatch Otis. Thank you so much for being with us for the show.
It is Friday. I hope you had a great week. We have an
amazing guest lined up for you. But as always, I want to start
by inviting you. If you've had an encounter you'd like to be on the
show, shoot me an email you give me a Brian at Parinomoral Productions dot
com. Can head over to the website and check it out, become remember
there and help support this show. Several months back, I got to sit
down and talk to Robert Leiderman from the Bluff Creek Project, And in addition
to talking about tons of things that have to do with the Patterson Gimlin film
site and all the things that the Bluff Creek Project have done and are continuing
to do, Robert starts talking about his time when he was a park ranger
and he was doing bigfoot talks and investigating some bigfoot activity out in the area
where he was working. I'll let Robert tell you all about that in just
a moment. Really quickly, listen up. If you're listening on Apple podcast,
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guys are ready to get into it. Robert's on the line, he's ready
to go. All this left for you to do is sit back, relax,
and enjoy the show. I want to welcome our guest to the show.
It is Robert Leiderman. Welcome to the show. Man. Hey,
thanks appreciate it. I'm glad to have you. I know we've been trying
to put this together forever, so I'm glad you're finally here. Let's get
right into it. Let's talk about this Sasquatch thing. I start the same
place with pretty much everybody on the show, What guy you interested in the
subject? To begin with? Yeah, that's like a million dollar question you
ask a lot of people. And when I get asked that question a lot,
I have to try to remember what I said last time. All that
challenge of that you go, he didn't say that last time. But it's
interested because based on who you're talking to and what comes up in the subject
matter and the memories sort. I was a kid. I think the first
really scary movie I'd seen in terms of Bigfoot was scortch Legend of Boogie Creek.
Some people say it's Boggy Creek, but I'm from California, so just
however it comes out. We're a driving movie theater, and I remember being
pretty scared about it. I'm trying to remember how old I was it could
have been ten or whatever. It's like I had to go to the bathroom
and it was like I had to make it to the car to where the
bathroom procession was was basically over by the the movie projection booth was We're away
in the farther back, so I had to make it there. There's plenty
of lights, but some people aren't too familiar with a driving movie theater,
so I always have that disclaimer there that it's an oh big asshall, open
area with a bunch of burms, and you park your car on to burn
you angle it towards the screen at the far end. I had to go
really bad, so I made it there. But unfortunately it just happened to
be after the scene if you remember it, and the screen and reaches for
him and then they show them that they cut to him his pants halfway down.
He's trying to run. I left an impression I got us pretty scary,
but that kind of started going. Now. My dad he was always
into cryptids, ghosts, all straight stuff. So I blame everything I have
on my dad because it's his fault. He got me started on that an
applestone fall very far as you probably know, my dad ran around with the
camera all the time. Film and everything that kind of got me started in
my major research really didn't start until probably tell about college. I know that
comes up a lot. People said I saw the patters in film and I
was sold. I didn't see it at first. I wasn't that concerned.
I didn't remember because I tried to think about this, What was the first
time I saw the Patterson film. I don't know if you remember the first
time you saw it, but I got to thinking about that question. I
think I was right before I started Humboldt State and studying recreation resource management,
more time in the library, in the archival room, which is like the
third floor with all the historical documents. There's everything there, pictures, stories,
Native American culture. So I started doing on index cards. And it
wasn't until I started working at the parks that I started using those index cards
and putting together an interpretive program about Bixfoot, because one of our jobs as
the ranger was to interpret the natural cultural histories. Giving campfire presentations, which
is you got a fire burning, you welcome to visitors, get them there
for an hour and a half, You tell stories, answer questions, and
then you have a presentation, you give either a storytelling session or a slide
presentation. They did one on Bigfoot. It was fun. People liked it.
After every program, people would come up to me and they look over
their shoulder of maation and Els is there, and they start telling me about
these experiences they've had, and then of course they asked me if I had
any and we appreciate you doing it. It was great. I had a
stack of tabloid magazines. Some people might not know what those things are.
If you go shop in a safeway, they're right there, grab a couple
off there. They're like research material, like the Men in Black that those
were the hot sheets, all the latest crazy things. That's where you go.
So what I did is I laminated on my stand up comedy act.
Was basically just to over the stories and all these things, which is fun
because when you're in a public place, as you know, if you've been
there yourself, you're in a public position. Everything you say will be used
against you later. My opinions are my opinions, and when you're working for
the government, you do what you're supposed to do. So my opinions were
kept back, but I would make fun of everything I could. Whenever chance
I got, I had people drop it in on my program to make sure
it's not a propaganda film. Oh no, it was just making fun of
these things. It was okay. So I did that for a few years
before the infamous day when a John Fridays showed up. It was a humble
Redwood State Park. I don't know if you're familiar with that, but so
the third largest state park in the California system. It's a Humble county.
It's eighteen thousand acres of ancient forest. It's pretty good sized. The whole
park's about fifty three thousand, and I had the pleasure to work there for
many years. Enjoyed it. But it also has some history. You have
some encounters there. But I was just showing my presentation for it, and
so the fun part about that is you get to talk about it, talk
to people afterwards. And then I started getting more and more people explaining things
to happen. So I got involved with talking to people about it. Now
we're getting the mister Fredis nineteen ninety nine. It was I would say it's
early September. It's a when Lebne Weekend shows her out, so he shows
up. I get this call Robert, this guy watch to ask some questions.
So I go down there and I meet up with this gentleman. He's
an investigator out of Delmore County. He's with this group called the BFRO.
They Fulfilled your research organization. They're out about looking for Bigfoot. He has
some questions for you. So I chatted with him and he told me that
there was a siding in the park that last August and that they had come
up to investigate it. They found some interesting things, and they also wanted
to know John Fredis wanted to know if he could broadcast these alleged Bickwood calls
out of his ship speaker at the Willock Creek Museum, the China Flat Bigfoot
Museum. That speaker sitting there in the archival room in the back. It's
pretty good size. It's just befurrol on it. He had that hooked up
in the back of his pickup truck. And his major thing he's done was
call blast. What we used to do in the old days is we get
these speaker systems and we have these allegens of the Ohio scream. You have
to seer a sound, you have a bunch of others. Baby crying.
Those are interesting primate sounds. So you went broadcast those on speaker systems just
like all over the place. Some of those systems were pretty good. A
mile away, you're hearing some stuff. We can't let people do that in
the parks because A it's a busy holiday weekend, one of three busy holiday
weekends. B. We have organisms that say thou shalt not do that.
Now, we had the marble mill and then they spotted out with that nest
in the ancient force of that area. There are rules that say you can't
be doing certain sounds between April between sixteen October two in that period nesting time
period. So everything was pointing against him. So I encouraged him to go
somewhere else to do that. But I saw the write up later. I
think Fred has sent me a copy or a link, because he sent me
links with hissing sound programs, Mission Night's Scream. I think it was that
he was doing. He had Mission ice Scream one, Mission Ice Cream two.
I got to see some of his work and that was interesting, and
that was after he came to visit. But he also saw the article they
put up on the bfrol about their investigation. But it wasn't like this guy
allegedly said this and this might have happened. It was like, yeah,
Bigfoot was here. He said this and that and this. So I decided
the first chance I was going to get was going to take one of my
my part gates that worked with me, and she was pretty good at track
She went to the Brown School tracking so she was certified trackers. So I
said, well, let's go look for these things. Based on the photographs
they gave us. They had pictures of a snag tree. They had pictures
of a few things, but weured out where the location was based on the
picture alone. So just to recap the report, it was basically as a
father was camping in late August with his son at Burlington Campground. They had
crossed the bridge to the other side, which would be west of the Hill
River. They got to one point where the dad noticed his son's shoe was
untied, so he had stopped, pulled his son to tie shoe, and
while he was waiting, he was just looking around and up the hillside.
He reported something naked from moist up harry moving back and forth through the view
shed and then it had stopped and started scratching his back, so he got
all excited about it, and then he got the clear. They went back
to camp and then they came back later the check and son nothing never went
up the hill but saw it. But the trial system is basically, the
river's on your left when they were traveling and on the right as the hillside
goes up and it's forced it over. It's a second gross with some old
GROLLD mixtent transitional forest and there's some stumps where the harps are red with trees.
Before it was a part great view shed. I decided with my park
Gay to go, let's go investigate it ourselves. So sometime and I think
it was late September, we got a chance to do it. We went
up there and had to look around, and we found it. We walked
up the hill and then the process of doing this, I would go up
the hill and my park would be down there and we're trying to match the
photo. Right, you got to get the right angle, and th this
has got to be the trees. This is it. We thought that was
fun because this was like a crime scene investigation. You're like, oh,
let's figure this out, you know, we know the elements we're looking for
evidence, or we're looking at angles. The distance they had was an estimated
distance. They said, I can't remember what it was now. So we
went up there and I said, how about now? How about now?
Can you read? Now? Can see me? They ask you? What
part of me can you see? So we finally got to the point where
we found a spot, and then we're looking around and what I found was
a large redwood stump I want to say, maybe ten foot diameter or a
little bit less, and it was all burnt. But then they had this
green moss growing on it and some liking. So we're looking at it and
I'm looking around. I go, this is probably the spot. So I
look down. I see there's this little strap to a camera. The ones,
the cheap cameras, they kind of look in this one obviously fallen off
was laying on the ground. And then I saw a cigarette but and fred
As smokes. I got the evidence he was here, and I remember what
banding smoke. But there was I go, this has got to be the
spot. So we're looking around and I'm looking at the stump. I go,
maybe this is it. So I'm standing in front of it, and
she's down the hill trying to match up. She says, yeah, I
can just see this almost your upper body. Not a lot, but I
can see a little bit of that. I go, okay, that's good.
That fits the description. And then I walked over to the side.
I go, what about now, because yeah, I can see you moving
a little bit. I go, this is our stump. So I looked
at it. I rubbed my finger across it, and what happened was it
took off the green moss that was growing on it. Even though it's burnt
over, it's charcoal, and it rubs off real easy. I'm like,
well, where's the rub marks? Right? So I'm let's check it out.
There are no rub marks of this. Nothing has rubbed against the stuff.
Why would they say it's here? And then matches the debut? Shit,
there's got me more to this. So the signing took place about mid
August. Mid August. What happens in Humble County and then the redwood environments
is the leaves the trees start replacing their needles, so you get a lot
of duff around August through September, and by October they're not deciduous. But
the trees only retain their leaves for so long before they replace them. A
good time to replace it is, after all, a long hot summer.
They don't need these things, so they get rid of them, right,
which is the way it goes. They keep all their leaves, but they
just replace them back and forth. So this was covering up any tracks or
anything. But what was there was a i'll say a game trail section where
you can see something would go and it would pad you down, but you
can't see foot impressions. All you know is that the duff had been impacted
to a point where this is an obviously active game trail. I'm looking at
that perspective of it. It goes around the stump and I look over to
the left, which is if I'm looking uphill, it's to the left,
and there's a spur section that kind of goes that way, which if you
took a gennel on the outdoors, when game follows trails, there's gonna be
a little slight feris would they like to walk a up at least these three
rabbit trees about a foot in diameter and the younger rabbit trees, and so
when you look at these trees, there's three of the tronango, but one
of them in the front had the surface area looked like it was rubbed against.
And I looked at it closely about a foot off the ground, it
was not rubbed. Then from that point up six more feet it was rubbed,
and then above that point it wasn't rubbed. So I'm looking at this
and something obviously had rubbed against this. And I looked at the other trees
and at the trees did not have that. It was just this one.
So this is the favorite rub tree. So I looked at it, and
I don't recall seeing any hair fibers. I didn't take my microscope out of
my MiG fine glass and check it out. I didn't see anything sticking out.
It's you just seeing redwood bark. Sometimes it looks like I'm going to
digress this a second. Working at the park for years, one of the
things people visitors that come, they always bring up these things, and one
of them is one of the questions I got asked is what's with all the
Irish setters dead Irish setters along the edge of the road. And you probably
know where I'm going with this. The Loggia trucks have redwood bark and it
falls off and it's along the ground on the people driving by. I think
they're dead. I said it wasster red and that almost could look like hair
if you're not paying attention, just like some people think moss is hair,
right, it's not. Pick a microscope check it out. So I noticed
that and I got my back against and I rubbed it on my shirt and
said, yeah, this is comfortable. This has got to be the place.
There's no other way to do it. The other spur went down a
little bit further and then dropped off a drop box. But in order to
go that way, it also had to climb over a big bush that's the
probably about three foot tall. So we took pictures. I posed in my
uniform or in my stets and because we're sus to wear sets and I don't
know if you guys have to wear stetson's or not, or just ball caps,
but park service we had to be professional, look good. And we
were stets in our post in front of this tree, and I took part
of different stages of over investigation. I decided that the guy saw something.
What it was, I don't know, but there's signs here that it didn't
rubbed against in the stump and rubbed against the tree. So I said,
you know what I'm gonna do. I'm just gonna write this up just to
let those guys know that some of the information they were pushing around was not
quite accurate. So I did that. And of course you have no opinion,
you're just stating the facts. And I said it, I made your
phrase, got a hold of it. Guy named Matt Moneymaker got a hold
of it, and the next thing I know, to get this call from
this guy named Matt Moneymaker and I realized he was with the bf O.
Well, yeah, that's why I want to be a curator for the BFROL.
And I'm like, what does the curator do? Come to you for
advice and stuff? Seize your investigative skills. You could throw that in there
and help people, Like, OK, sure, I'll do it. Because
at that time I was interested in the Bigfoot stuff to a point where I
was giving presentations on it. When somebody asked you, what was that day
when you decided that you're going to take the red pill? And I would
probably say I took that red pill when I wrote that report and they sent
it to the BFROL. Matt Poulsby up and says, hey, how would
you like to be a member of the BFOL. So that's when I swallowed
the red pill. That's when I was like, no turning back. Now
you're on your journey. So I became a curator of the BFUR investigator.
So I started following up on reports a few other things. Then, oh
no, this is important because working for the government, you can relate to
this. Well, do you remember that report I wrote, I talked about
and I sent it to the BFROL. It ended up where somebody read it
and they were offended by it. They're offended because they pay taxes. They're
not going to pay a salary to go investigate bigfoot because bigfoot doesn't exist,
So why are you spending tax money investigating bigfoot? This complaint went to a
supervisor in the sector farther north. They contacted my supervisor in the sector I
work at. I get called into the office, get sit at the table,
and I get the season to cisorder. It says that I will no
longer be using state time to researching bigfoot or giving opinions. But if you
remember before that, I was actually getting paid by the State of California to
give campfire presentations on the subject that were well received and liked and asked for.
So here we are here he was asking me questions about it and a
long behold a copy of this article shows about his desk. The people I
work with, half of them were supportive, weren't so supportive. I don't
know which half put the paper on its desk, but he read through it
and there was nothing incremitating whatsoever. But I still had to not use the
internet for a little bit. So fast forward to I don't know six months.
This show a long time ago, real scary stories. What they do
is they go to different places. They have these kids, and then the
interview people, and then they have this kids, go look for stuff.
Stay tuned for more sasquatch Otysey. Right back after these messages, I got
a request to be paid state salary to dry in uniform with my stets in
in a nice car after I washed it, to drive all the way over
to Crescent City area and be interviewed about Bigfoot. There's only one catch is
our department decided that there's a list of questions that you could only ask ranger
lightermen and they supposedly gave these questions to these producer people. So when it
was my turn to talk, I was sitting there in my nice clean patrol
car wearing my stets in driver's side. Behind me was the golden circular orb
that was setting beyond the ancient redwood trees. There was an orange glow.
It was sunset. It was awesome. My white car was shining orange.
It was beautiful. It's like one of those shots. You're like, man,
that's awesome. And they proceed to ask me questions and I couldn't answer
a single question that they asked because it was not on that list the questions
I can't answer. That can as to this. But I got to watch
another gentleman who's passed away that had a cast. It is being interviewed,
and behind him was this golden orb that was setting down the golden rays reflecting
off the white Plasta Paris cast. It was a beautiful shot. I was
listening to him talk about how he got this cast, and there were hair
farbers still attached his cast. There was a foot impression he made the show.
I didn't. That's okay. So I got to drive up Preston City
watched a great sunset, listen to people tell stories, and then drive back.
But it's funny how that works, where you're told no, and then
all of a sudden you say, yeah, we want you to go talk
to them about that. I just kept getting more and more involved, followed
up on reports, got tired of that, took out the point where we
started doing expeditions. The dishes were getting to be an interesting thing. We
had a lot of what we did ourselves, but this was the public one.
This is the one where we invite the public to join the BFRO and
see about the big phenomenon. So that was in two thousand and four.
They were originally three that year. Actually we end up having four, but
I went to three of them. The first one that I was asked to
organize, We're in the Redwoods. I got some guest speakers coming in,
got a bunch of people signed up that show. I got to meet Rod
moorehead. Kathy moscow Strained was one of my guests at the time. She
saw some of the stuff I was doing. She had information on the harry
Man and she sent that to me, which remained anonymous at the time because
another government employee worked for the government and you don't want them getting upset because
you're talking about a subject matter related to archaeology, by the way. So
she gave me information for it. I wrote the article, but I couldn't
say who she was chask me not it was Kathy, and thank you Kathy
for that. That was a lot of work. So that was one of
the other things that got involved. So she was doing evidence for me.
I had more Head and Bury down there, and I'm sitting there with these
guys and they're going over these Sarah sounds and now most people have heard of
them by now. I'm listening to these Sarah sounds and I think we're twenty
because it sounded like a bunch of guys going I'm like, oh, I
could do that. But yet he was selling these discs for ten bucks of
pops, about two of them, so I was curious listen to them later
and pick them apart. So he was telling all these stories and we had
him probably I want to say, about twenty five people there, and there
are pretty great stories and I'd love to hear these guys. I was thinking,
this is ridiculous, how can that be. I haven't heard of this
before. This is all new to me because I'm just getting into stuff.
I'm going to fast forward nine months. I'm now with the Shelby Cart Club
BFR Expedition. Matt's organizing it. We have a special clients Shelby Cart Club,
and I want to say, it's like in a February two thousand and
five. We're in the Redwoods and we get these guys to show up and
they are a car club, a well known one, and we have our
little group mail from Yakamaz with us. Matt's a bunch of other guys.
Blobo was with us too for that. So we're staging on this one area.
I want to say, it's like a Friday. So we're going into
this section in the Redwoods, in the coastal areas. This has some history.
So we're walking along. We're using night vision like Gen one and a
half, which is you're tripping over everything. It's not as good as Gen
threes. No therms, just those things. So the group behind us catches
up to us because we're going like turtles. There's a lot of uneven roots
of stuff. It was dangerous to walk with lights off in the dark.
You take your time, you space yourselves out, and you're trying to listen.
You have clients with you, so you have a responsibility to the clients
will get hurt, so you're moving them slow through catches up. Of course,
the bubble is leading this group. So the interesting thing was is the
old night vision stuff used a lot of infrared, so we heard them coming
before we saw them. And with the night vision stuff that we did have,
you could see light beams all over the place like a new movie coming
on. So they had them infrareds going and they were might as well turn
flashlights on to night But they're moving through with our night vision with our devices.
We could see that in the devices. So they're moving through, they
catch up to us, they pass us up. We're like, oh,
go ahead, we'll wait. And then about ten minutes later, the radios
come alive and sounds like they're being overrun. Everyone's talking over everybody else,
and they're all excited. What happened was while they were at the end of
this walk, they're moving along and they started hearing k nooks. They are
all sorts of stuff, and when everybody started hearing it, they all want
to get on the radio and talk about it. They all start flashlights everywhere.
It was crazy. So they came out and they're pumped up, and
they got us all excited. We got to get one good of the early
third gen. The mail had his. Now we got to play with one,
right, So we go in there. We're being quiet, We're expecting
to see what monsters, all of them everywhere. They're everywhere up there.
They're screaming at you, so we're ready for it. So we go walking
up there and we get to a point and we're like, we don't hear
a single thing. So we set out and we're sitting there on the tarp
on the trail listening and all we hear is you guests owls, and we're
like, those guys have freaking hurt owls. And they got all excited about
it. So we heard outs. I spotted I know there's some bards.
We came back somewhat disappointed and we're like, we saw nothing. So we
got back and then the next day we decided to go out and do some
investigation again. This time we decided to get off the trail to look around
bushes. So we found foot impressions large, small, like Papa Bear,
Mama Bear, and baby Bear. They were in the mud and they're in
the swampy party area. We found the bigger ones. I found one that
almost looked like a pulsable thumb on one, but it was a much smaller
We're like, this is odd, and then we looked around. We did
see anything else, just a few footprints into some MUDs and it disappears,
which you can go out to plant materials on top of logs. The other
ones were clear on the other side. So we got excited about it,
and not much else happened for that trip, and then comes Sunday. Sundays
are our days. We say goodbye clients, thank you so much, Spike,
and then it's our term to go. So we decide we're going to
go in there to that place where the activity originally took place to sit there.
We're gonna listen and see what happens. I went in there during the
day and we marked the trail with the flagging use color flagging you're good to
go. So I marked it with color, like, thinking, oh,
we can follow back up where we're good. Those guys went in the daylight.
When I said those guys, I met Bobo and Mail. They got
up the hillside, they got situated, they're good to go. It was
getting dark. Now it's my turn to go in with Matt. But the
last minute Matt had plans to do something else. I'm thinking, I'm not
going here by myself. I remember what happened last time. I remember hearing
about this and this. I saw those for prints myself, so I don't
know about this. So we're like, okay. I get in about fifteen
feet and something huge goes crashing through the brush at the end. I go,
all it crap. So I go back and out of there, and
I told Matt about it, and of course, what do you think bad
did? He went up with flashlight looking all over the place. I don't
see anything here, but he decides he's with another gentleman and they're going to
go off the road nearby and drive that. I'm going wampster going in here.
So now it's just being by myself with the little port of me radios,
and I'm going in. So I'm trying to call Matt and let him
know what's what my plans are on this one. After you drove off and
I get radio silent. I try to call Bobo and mail. I get
radio silence. I go, no, are they here? I'm abandoned,
so I said, okay, I'm going in. So I went in,
and what I did is I didn't have any night vision. All how was
the flashlight I used. So what I went in. Every thirty seconds,
I would turn the flashlight on for a second and then let it go off,
and that allowed me to see down the trail till my next hazard,
and i'd move along, boom boom, move them on. Of course,
I'm on the radio trying to call, and nobody's answering. So I get
to a point where I know this is the place. This has got to
be the place where they're up in the hillsid because I mark it. And
I'm looking around and guess what all those flags I marked, I can't see
a single one in the dark. You had to turn a flashlight on to
see the colored flags. I'm trying to be quiet and stealth. I just
heard something large crush to the bush right before I got started. I'm by
myself. If I disappeared, nobody's going to miss me. So I turn
on the light. I see it. I go up the hillside and I
take it to where Mel and a bobo war and I'm so happy. I'm
there. I'm excited. How come you guys didn't ask? The radio goes,
Oh, we turned them off because Matt kept talking. I'm like,
oh, that's great, okay, So now i am I'm finding there.
I'm excited about this whole thing. And so Bobo had a great plan.
What it was is we had a stove we had and we would cook bacon
for a few hours, which means what it means you got to bring a
lot of bacon, which I'm okay with that. That was good. So
we cook bacon after ten o'clock and eat the bacon, cook it, eat
it, cook it, eat it. And then remember we had mailed with
us up the hill a little bit, so we had to give him some
and then we went back to cooking bacon to ould bacon gone. We only
heard the standard force sounds. We're like, there's something that's got to be
in this for us, after everything that's happened, it's gotta be something.
So we're sitting there, you know, Roberts five foot eight, most like
seven three corner a good day. Bubba was like over six ft. So
we're sitting back to back, which meant my back is to his. Kidney's
a little bit taller. But we're sitting back to back and we're dozing off
a little bit because we've had a long day. This is Sunday. We've
been at it since Thursday. A little bit of sleeping, running around,
make sure our clients had a great experience. Then we I'll both hear this,
and he looks to me like, I don't know. Bobo's debts the
guy when he tells you, you just heard a sound that makes your hair
stand up, and Bobo says, I don't know what made that makes you
a little nervous, but so we listened. We didn't hear it again.
If somebody were asked me, what do you think the translation of that would
have been? Based on the fluctuation of the words and how it was said,
that would have been can go up there and meat? And another one
that's totally differentice goes no. So my interpretation was can we go eat that?
And no? So that's my experience with samurai talk. I've never heard
it like that since. But I was surprised then. And if they go
back in the story, nine months before that, I was laughing at the
serah sounds. So I was trying to be a good investigator and not take
everything for face worth in a part of the evidence and break it down and
try to explain it away. When you can it away, then you have
to reconsider what it really is. Of course, we stayed up later and
then we heard something moving around. Mail had some recordings of some of this,
but we don't know where that is. That was a long time ago.
At the time, I wasn't as much into keeping everything proven beyond reasonable
doubt me. It was just to satisfy me whether I believed it or not.
I wasn't out to prove to everybody that it exists. I was out
to prove to myself what it was. I was trying to experience, and
I'm still out there trying to prove to myself about it. I have so
many things that I just can't explain, but I can explain way really eazy
and say it was bigfoot, but that's not a scientific approach. I got
into more leading expeditions with that, more crazy stuff, and then they gave
Robert a video camera. I mentioned before that my dad was into video cameras,
into sci fi and all this stuff. Guess what. On the expeditions
we used to record looking for bickfoot, but not looking at the people who
are looking for bickfoot. So I said, why don't we record the people
as they're trying to experience this phenomenon. So now I became a popular Rozzi.
I spent a lot of time filming people, violating their space and filming
them while they're trying to enjoy this. So I started doing that. I
got a bunch of footage, did not keep it, gave it back in
and then of course it gets dissolved up because people need the space or whatever.
I got distression with with Matt, he goes Robert, even you can
edit, but here's a camera, Wally's blessing, here's that unite vision attachment
with Wally Hirschem's blessing. Go out and do that stuff. So that then
became my phase in my life. I'm a videographer. Now, I guess
what Robert does. Robert creates over one hundred and something videos for BFRL YouTube
channel about expeditions, investigations, interviews. So I started doing this and I
did that, and plus leading expeditions are assisting with other people leading expeditions,
and they got to a point where I'd have to flash back to two thousand
and seven and I first met Steven Stoyford. I think it was the fortieth
anniversary over at the Willow Creek Veterans Hall. We had some speakers coming in.
Steven was doing an article. I got to meet Steven. We pretty
much got more involved with that. Then I sat around the fire with Steven
until early morning hours, talking about all sorts of stuff. One of the
things you talked about was trying to find this bluff pre film site, which
for me meant nothing because I can care less do I look like a zella
to you, a guy who's going to go there on October twenty eighth every
freaking year to go stand pose in front of the pre fifty two spot,
And I go, that me not gonna be happening. So it's twenty ten.
I finally have time to do this. So I was asked by Steven
Strueford to videotape him and this guy named Ian Carton as the goal look for
the film site. I go, that's a good dig. Yeah, let's
do this. So I came there as a videoographer to record the process.
I went to the Big Museum film there. I went to Steven Storeford's store
I love to tell the story because I don't know how people really know Steven.
But unfortunately the store burned down. Steven's fine. It was a legacy
store. First time I went in there, I parked in front of it.
The doors are open and they're always open to our business hours. And
you can hear the bass coming out of the building. Talking to my camera
and IM say, yeah, we're here. Here's the big Foot books.
There's a sign. Yeah, we're walking in, and on the front porch
were stocks of books. Of course, go walking through the door, music's
louder i A'm surrounded by a canyon of books. Those you who have been
there, you can remember that so many books they getting fit on the shelves.
They're now stacked into mountains and canyons. So I'm going, holy crap
looking around this place, and then I'm looking for Steven right, but the
front desk is way in the back, and there the head pops up,
like, oh, that must be Steven, and so I go over there
to film. I mean, here's a upset that was filming him without his
permission, but had explained I'm not really a pop rozzze. We talked about
this. This is how we're going to do it. I have to capture
whatever I can. So that started my PowerPoint via Stephen explaining to me PG
film Site one oh one. At first I thought, huh, who cares?
Now I'm going Actually, there's a lot of history here that I know
nothing out. Really, we all think we know a lot until you start
meeting other people who really dove in. I'm just like, oh wow,
there's so much stuff. So we're going through all that process of it.
I'm learning, and then I'm ready to go. Because that whole week I
was supposed to go back up to the mountains where in a few days,
Ian Parton and Steven who would officially meet me and I would officially begin filming
them in their natural habitat in the research place. The gig was to look
for five sites. According to Steven's PowerPoint, there were five sites, and
I was thinking, how can there be five different sites? How can people
be so confused at a landmark that they filmed now people don't agree where it
was? And that that was something I had trouble with trying to figure it
out. So I went there a few days and I went out there and
I was filming everything. I was in the peter Burn location. I went
down to the INCA Davis area. I looked at the Christopher Murphy area called
the Daniel Preys area. It was just upstream from that, but I didn't
go too much further than that because I haven't been to that one spot.
It's called a peter Burn location. I was told that was the location.
Then a little later in two thousand and seven, I was taken farther back
in there to a location which actually is the current film site location. I
was taken in there and pointed to a couple of big trees by bubble and
cliff, saying, we think these are the ones you had to crawl through
brush and we followed the tree line to get there, so it was a
jungle. I'm like, how do you know there's just these big trees.
I mean, you can't see anything in the junks and stuff. So we're
going back to where we were. So I'm going through the MK Davis area.
I'm gritting it out, looking at it all over. Based on what
I had time with Steven, I go, this is going to take forever.
So I got to meet with Steven, and the next thing I know,
by the end of the third day, I guess they must have given
me another one of those little pills. It was like a blue one or
a red one, and they say which one do you want? So I
end up taking the red one, maybe two of them. I became not
just who's recording the adventure. I become a member of the team number three.
So now it wasn't those idiots over there, it was us idiots.
Of course, we never agreed one hundred percent with each other. We all
had our approach and our ideas of what we expected. It was at that
blend of trying to blend the ideas together and to start from the beginning.
Don't use somebody else's work. Use someone else's work, You're probably going to
take that mistake and just magnify it. So we had to start over.
Steven and he and his credit that's what they wanted to do, and M.
K. Davis area I didn't have what he needed. The story on
that I heard is I guess in two thousand and three, I looked that
part out because I've talked about it before, but I got to talk at
the symposium in two thousand and three. I was the salmon inner lunch Sky
and I did my State Parks program hungue in cheek with the tableaud magazines.
I did that through the BFOL and I did that on Friday, but I
missed the Great Confusion Day on Sunday. I think Stephen was involved with that,
but I missed all that. So I'm now a member of that trying
to figure it all out. We're coming down to it, but it wasn't
it. By the end of twenty ten, we had gone through sites and
decided that the one that had the most potential was the farthest up the creek,
and all the other ones they're lacking. Things like the woman called the
Christopher Murphy site, and he only claims that spot because somebody told him that
was there. It's been washed out. It's called the gulch. It's got
a place where the water had wiped out the whole area there. So it
was convenient that the evidence was no longer there. So nobody can just prove
you if you say it's here, because the evidence is no. Sorry,
man, it's just not here. But then there's the layout of the land,
the topography, the angles, north south, access lines, those old
played a role to decide it's not it. Peter Burnside no way. It's
too small, wrong direction, not enough trees, the rivers in the wrong
place. Everything was wrong. Peter burnsite no. M K. Davis No,
it doesn't have what needs to have. It has trees that are broken
off the top and they're off the side. The trees aren't supposed to be
on the flat area, although there are four of them that are, but
they're not that big and they're off to the side. And the trees in
the back don't exist. The stumps are on a flat playing field. They're
not on the slide of a hill. Also an approximate location, the different
locations which they were so needs to say. It did not work, no
matter what I knew that from after two days and some people still fail,
they had potential. Ian still fail. They had potential. Ian had his
spot between the Peter peter Burn and m K. Davis and that's where Ian
felt it was for whatever reason he had, and Stephen felt it was closer
to what the Press location is because the angle of the north south made more
sense there. Me, I had no opinion because I have too much the
process. I just know it's farther up and it's not down. By the
end of twenty ten, we narrowed it down to a location we called the
General Consensus Area, which included basically Prez and the area would call Cliff.
And the reason we called the Cliff Brackman site was because Stephen sent out a
whole bunch of stuff. He was asking MK questions, Peter Burn questions.
He gives them to know who's asking all these questions. So he also asked
for a map where they felt it was. So the map that he got
from a Cliff Brackman it was a round, a little oval shape over what's
called the Hindens X. And if you look at the two maps that were
fighting over the Titnus map does not fit the topography at all, and that
was misleading for everything else. And we don't know why he drew it the
way he did, but it looked out important essential information. And then the
other one was I can't remember the name now, but I know Daniel Perez
had the copy of this map. He asked a guy in two thousand and
five to draw, and he drew it and it made more sense than any
of the other maps, and it was done later, the latest of the
maps. So we use those compile and of course in the optidmus. It
has this log laying down where the action started where Roger and Bob when writing
that day for to Camamaran Song went down and then they got spooked, and
it's supposed to behind a big root ball. The confusion was that it de
handens x where the river makes this nice little s turn. There's some root
ba hauls and some wood deposits that nature puts there, and you're looking at
this going that's like a pile of stuff, you know, yeah it is.
We found out that maybe a citing took place at this large rootball that's
still there about one hundred feet down straight from one of those areas. But
he had some family issues so he can no longer participate with the project on
site. But he was not convinced that the locations we were looking at.
So here was our devil's advocate for the rest of the research. Over the
next two years, we still pushed on. We needed a replacement. So
a replacement ended up being a buddy of mine, Raddy Kelly. So I
got suckered in on this project, but he was very helpful. He worked
with us on that one day for hours, going aimlessly, going back and
forth, but we finally got that spot. We've decided we had to do
a north south line and an east west line. We wanted to try to
fit in and map out this area so we know what it had. So
we have this thing called the Renee the Hinden Overview. In seventy one,
Renee had his kids with him and he had climbed up to the southeastern corner
of the hillside and he took this photograph and it's an overlaid photograph that shows
the film site in seventy one, which means trees are growing back in.
It's still an open sandbar that still exists. You can see artifacts. In
two thousand and ten, it's overgrown like a jungle. You cannot see those
artifacts. We see some of them, but they're all under vegetative cover and
it's dark. It's game trail, and you're getting poked in the eyes by
branches and you're getting your ankles shreaded by the California blackberries as you're trying to
walk through it. So in order for us to be sure as you can't
go through it, cut all the trees down. It's a federal piece of
land and it's a Riparian habitat. But if you can remove all the trees
like white ar or whatever, you can remove whatever you want. And then
you have the sandbar that was placed there in nineteen sixty four with the big
flood, so that leveled everything out, and that's why it's flat there.
It's sold the high water to pre siltation. But now it's all a great
seatbed for all sorts of vegetated matter. So north south line, we took
the middle and we made that our central position. The question was how far
you want to cross the creek and go down, So we picked a place
on the gravel bar that was next to an alder tree, so that becomes
position number one, and we ran our line straight all the way north with
a slight prected declination because the world is flat, sorry, but we had
the declination line on it. So we pretty much followed that. And every
time you get to a big tree, you can't go through. You have
to go ninety and continue. So we went through. We did a front
side bearing, a backside bearing, and then we continue and we try to
keep it in a straight line, because two lines gives you a point,
but three gives you a direction. So if you can line all three lines
up. You have a direction of travel. You don't have a very good
direction of travel if you only use two and you get one hundred yards away.
So you got to line them up and back bearing all the way.
When we got to the very back there, after cutting holes so we could
take our survey marks and crawling for bushes, we got to the very end
and we're standing in front of what looks like, I don't know, a
maple tree, a big old maple tree, A big old maple tree that's
got like a weird kick in it that if you look really closely at frames
three fifty two, and there's a maple tree in the background and has a
little kick to it. So that's when the brain starts going, maybe that's
a circumstantial coincidence at this point. Yeah, you had to wait till you
get a couple hundred circumstantial coincidences before you decide you got some. Stay tuned
for more sasquat Chotasy were right back after these messages. So we're looking at
this tree and it's a maple tree. And guess what's on the left of
this maple tree. You're right, here's a big old fir tree, and
on this fir tree it looks like little acorn spots where the birds have kicked
out little holes of them to put stuff in them, and you're like wow.
And then you look off to your right and you're like, God,
that looks like you could gone. It can't be that easy. That's not
it. And then on the other side of that one, it was just
snag that had the top broken off, which is no longer as tall as
it used to be, and you're like, that could be a snag.
And then you look over against your right and there's this fir tree that's bigger
than the middle for tree. It's got these branches sticking out at the base.
You go, that's the ladder tree. That's all circumstantial. So once
you had the north line, we picked the halfway point, and then we
did east west. Once you got the east west line, by the way,
you have to cut poles sheet you can see where you're going type thing.
And then we had to break him into thirty foot squares. Why are
you doing the thirty foot squares because it's better that than a forty foot square.
So you cut him into his little squares and you're lining them all up
so they're parallel lines. And we did flags in every corner so we know
where the corners were. Once you got this whole sandbar pretty much gritted flag
with lines still work in there. So now you're going to draw in all
these artifacts, right, how about a log here, a palisadist there,
decaying material here, here's a young fur. You can't fit in. That's
not right, Let's mark it anyway. What about that old one over there,
let's put it there. We got how old it is. So you
went through and you mark all the artifacts within these squares. Once you got
done with that, guess what. Now you have to draw and perverted into
a map. And once you've found that, now you have to take that
overview. Remember we talked about the Dehendon seventy one. Now you have to
take that and superimpose it over the top of your bride. Not only that,
you have to get the north south directions right. It was almost like
magic. Now you're looking at this yere and you're going, this is weird.
So now you have these clusters of artifacts that you're labeling but with the
American alphabet, and you're matching these clusters with this overview. Now you realize
you run out of the alphabet, so now you're using lower case a's versus
uppercase a's. So there was plenty of evidence here, and when we got
to that point where we started this process, we had enough to go to
people like Daniel Perez who said you'll never find it with our first map we
did we just hope keep it. It got to the point we send that
and the seventy one over to Daniel Perez. He goes, congratulations, that
you guys got it. When you have some tell you that you will never
find it and then you find something, they have to eat cro or apologize
for what they said or support you. We had some people who never really
want to support us on it because they did not feel that it was there.
They felt it was somewhere else. Not to mention any names, but
the initials is as M and then as a period, and there's a K
in a period in name bast names VA vs. Some people still stick on
the locations and swear by them, but we have yet to see those people
come over to the location where the actual film site is and chat with them,
sit down with them, go over what we found with them and say,
hey, what do you think now, and I'm pretty sure one hundred
percent they're going to say you can lead some in the water, can make
them drink it. They're going to say, you're right. But then if
you are wrong with certain things and you stick to it and then you could
proven wrong, what does that do to your credibility? It kind of obtaints
a little bit. So you got to come up with another invention or something
to keep it going. MK did great stuff. He stabilized the film some
great stuff. When we were doing research, Steven was still communicating with him,
and what he did is he took the backdrop and we thought it was
a hillside, and it looks like a hillside right fifty two. It's not.
It's the short bluff and then it levels off, but you couldn't see
that very well. So what he did is he used colors and made it
so you could see where it dropped off. And he was right about the
backdrop being not total kill site. So I'll give him credit for that and
stabilization. But I'm not going to talk about the massacre theory stuff way out
there. It doesn't concern anything we're working on. But everything tule of their
opinion. I don't know everything they see. They have the way of looking
at it. I just know that we know it's upstream from where MK Kills.
The film site is. So we started get enough information to it and
in twenty twelve Bill Mouns love that guy, Bill Muns is invited. Steve
has been with them. He's been working on some models. He has taken
the movie footage itself and created a map based on the movie footage. Now
that is mathematically magic. So we invited him. In twenty twelve July,
we called the Bluff Creek Film Site Blowout and we had about seventeen people show
up for that, including a Cliff was there, Bubbo was there. A
lot of people were there. We also got Bill Mints to come down.
So Bill Mikes got a chance to finally get to the film site. He
had been working on that for five years, never been to the film site.
Got him walked down there. We started walking right towards it, and
so he got the hindens X. That's when you step back a little bit
and you go, Bill, what do you think? We were talking and
Bill wasn't saying anything. So once we got crossed the creek and up to
the upper sandbar. So, Billy, why don't you take the lead,
And it's that way, go right ahead. So we followed him because he
wasn't listening. He was quiet. You could see his mind was like checking
everything out. So we got to the point where were stopping in front of
the big tree and we're standing there talking and Bill's just looking at it.
You could see his brain's work and he's looking at it, and he's got
all these papers in his hand, and I watched his face, well,
the smile creeps onto his face. And we got to get Bill a moment.
To get Bill a moment here. So he wanders off and he's looking
up at the playing field. Meantime we're talking to each other. It was
fine. And he comes back and he goes, yeah, this is the
place, he said, Bill and his trees took five years to get here,
and his ace and the Holy called it was at the far right where
these two trees he called Laurel and Heart, and also the snag we called
the the spiky snag because it's broken out. So we don't agree on all
names, but that's that. And he called Lauren Hardy tree. We accept
that. When you're standing in front of the tree, it looks like one
big tree. When you back up and move towards where Patty was walking,
you could see the two trees. One's a large street, one is skinny,
and Laurel Hardy with it where the slapstock comedians. One's fat. One
was skinny. When we get close to the trees that cross over, it
looks like one tree. We mapped them their on our maps, but we
didn't have a name for them. We just said there's a bunch of trees
over there. But he just confirmed what we had worked on. But by
twenty twelve we pretty much had an idea what we We made the public in
twenty eleven for sure, because what it was is Roberts trying to finish his
map and make sure he's right, because can you imagine you spend your reputation
and your time trying to explain something and then you find out you're wrong.
I don't want to be that guy. I'm expected to do a better job
than that, So I was holding back. So everybody and the team said,
yes, Roberts the last guy. They hounded me. They hounded me
and it wasn't until twenty eleven when I did the super map when I made
it really pretty, I said, yeah, okay, I'm in. But
that was that And since then we've been doing the camera projects looking for wildlife,
which is nice in a way because we have the cameras out there and
doing park work. We had hidden camera guys all the time I had did
wildlife projects. What was a goosebin tree that held water for almost a year.
The bears loved to wallow in it, so I set cameras on it
and I got to learn when the hibernation state the bear took the parks.
Since we're about ten miles from the coast, they don't spend a lot of
time sleeping, but about a month and a half they go into a stupor
and you can see the big fat bearers when they go in, and they
don't see me anymore than their skinny bears. When you see him again,
and they have the markings you recognize. But that was the experiment that I
did at the parks, and twenty twelve we set the first cameras out.
Yeah, I forgot to miss Jamie. I got to throw this in for
Jamie because he's be included as well. Jamie was a student at the Humble
State and he was working at a math class. So in the beginning of
twenty and eleven, in the spring, we asked him to use his maths
skill sets off the maps we had and see if they lined up with the
hind and overview. So he did that and he confirmed it as well,
so he said all the right things. So he became a member of our
team. And he was also pushing the camera project pretty much. So he
and Rowdy took the lead on the camera projects. And so we were checking
cards, putting cameras out, and that was a big thing. But in
twenty twelve we actually captured a humbold Martin in one of our frames. Of
our cameras. We had the I want to say the bush nails, but
there are movie cameras on them, so you got to see movement. So
on this one area by the big rocky plug, we had the camera up
and this little weasel like animal bounding across it. And but the biggest time,
we didn't know quite what it was because you have the fissures which are
too big. That's bigger than that. You have a Martin's. Yeah,
we've dot maybe with somebody's sperit. But the Humboldt Martin is an animal that
was not seen very often. It was still seen, but very rarely.
So I saw one of those in two thousand and seven when I was sitting
on the beach with a friend of mine and it screamed at as they ran
away, and that was just a weasel of some kind, but we find
out was humble Martin. Said that they're very rare and that they like old
worlds for us, but we actually documented one. So one of the claims
to fame for the Bluff Preak project is we were able to capture existence of
a Homo martin a few types, which is really cool. With those cameras,
we get teased a bit because we don't hide the cameras. When I
did my job for the parks, I hit all my cameras, but I
checked them. And if we put a camera up with like it Bluff Creek
because of the port Ordford cedar brute rot issues, the virus is killing the
quarter of cedars that they closed the gates right after honey season in October.
They don't reopen them until late May or June, so putn there's no public
access during those time periods, so it's a wild area that has no access
thuring those time periods, which is cool. So if you can't get in
there, check your cameras and you're putting on them to camouflage them. The
snow the rain pushes us up back in your viewshit, And that's one of
the reasons that Jamie was adamant of not hiding him that well, because of
maintenance issues what we call a lot of while off on. There a lot
of mountain lions and a lot of bear activity. There's a lot of bears
down there, and there's bear sign everywhere. There's no shortage of that.
But then people have experiences there and some swear other bigfoot experiences. I'm not
there to say they're not because I didn't experience them there. I've had some
weird stuff happen to me as well. The verdict is still out. Ladies
giggling and talking and you go to say hi to them and they're not there.
You hear people talking around you and you can't see them. Now,
are being stuck by something of walks in two Lakes that stops walking when you
walk a couple times. That's unnerving. When you're by yourself in rock tossing
we're at Twin Lakes. I'm doing the podcasting for the Bluff Project, doing
the end of the Field, so I am. I also like to play
my flute. So I'm on the shoreline there at one of the lakes,
blowing in my flute, making a lot of noise. Because I don't claim
to be a musician, I make noise. I make noise on a flute.
I like to blow up really loud and just so what echoes off the
lake and off the hills. When I was doing that, and Bart was
back at his vehicle and Bobo was in the back of his with the back
that and he starts yelling, and I'm thinking, oh, they don't like
my music at all, with a bunch of picky people. So I keep
playing. I still hear stuff going on, and then I finally go what's
going on? So I walk over to where it was and Bobo pickupchuck.
He says, something just threw a rock down at me and he landed behind
him and I rolled down the hill parts one of the lakes. It's all
overgrowing vegetations. You can't see it. But the thing was is the logic
comes in going did my loud whistle shake loose the rocks and they came down
the hill the hillside in order to get the momentum it needs or to do
what it did, or to come from a place where it starts at.
There isn't it. It's not that steep. Something obviously through it, and
there's no way it can't just fall and roll that far in that fast and
do what it did from there. It has to have inertia to send it
down there. So landed behind him when he was having his head in the
back of the pic cup truck, and it went down to think. So
that's one of a few stories. I think the bow blocks at the same
place, and I would say he was with Cliff at the time. Across
the other side of the lake, something made noise and jumps into the water.
It's like a lot of our earlier research. We didn't have the equipment
we have today. We don't have the night vision or the thermal. We
have our eyeballs and our flashlights. It's just that today we have a lot
more equipment, but back then we didn't. But that's just a quick one
oh one. Roberts getting involved with the Bigfoot stuff, like the Bluffree Project
book was one of many books tod I write. But that's the one on
the Bigfoot subject matter. And I'm working on another one with Bart because whyn't
I've been on projects together. We choke about this about ten years ago.
We should write a book. How many times have you heard that we should
write a book. No one's going to read it, but we should write
it anyway. So we decided to go ahead and do that. And we're
starting that process too. But the Bluffery Project book is done, said and
gone. Did you have a copy of it there? You can hold up.
If not, I've got one here. So the cover of the book
actually has the site and on the bottom left here, actually it's totally different.
There that's the bluff Creek. It goes around the edge, and it
goes up and it makes the turn, and there's the Hendon's X right there.
You can see it. There's that bowling alley right here, goes right
this way. That's north to south. This is the big curve. This
is the Hendon's X right here, and then it travels down here a little
bit and continues moving down and goes back this way. But that's the aerial
drone taken of the film site by by Roddy Kelly. Great shot. If
you see it's overgrown. There's a few open areas right in this area here.
This is where Roger started filming. You right filming here it crosses,
but it all started down the way back over here that people always tend to
forget. Because we did a little experiment of how long will it take you
to pull your horse down, get your foot out of the stirrup that's stuck
in bent, pull your camera out of your saddle bag, roll off your
horse, rearrange you, and then go on foot pursuit of whatever it is
you're you're chasing down. We figured, I figured I'll speak on behalf of
myself. I figured that it takes a little bit of time, so it's
not at haendance exits downstream. I mentioned earlier that within one hundred feet there's
another area that has a route that's laying down and the extended piece on it,
like in a ten missus map that sexually has been cut off. It's
just a rootball, and so here's rootball. So I'm thinking that maybe that's
more closely aligned to where it started. And it was all road right,
It wasn't a order, just walking down the scrabvel bar. It was a
graded road because it flooded and sixty four to sixty five despy sixty six sixty
seven. They were blogging and they would take the heavy equipment and lud bulldoze
and there's your road. And it was easier to get to that place then
than it is today. And he drived down there and then it went up
up towards the Bowling Alley section. But they were on a road. And
if you look at some of the earlier footage, like at the beginning of
the real for the for the Patterson film, it has Roger pulling a pack
animal behind him, so well, who's filming that? But anyhow, the
simper story, but they're walking around that that's just down the MK Davis area
and between the peter Burn area, and that's where that location is. And
again it's it's an area that's slid out and it's rabbled and it's flat enough
to be able to navigate off of. So all these things that you would
look at and try to put together, like looking at the old footage and
then going out there and trying to find that spot that's buying Waldle, Like
where's that there's those track ways that are on the shoulder of this and in
the background when they're filming, you see a mountain side lined up. Let's
go find it. You know those kinds of projects where you go, oh,
where was the camp at Lows Camp where allegedly those original tracks were found?
Or where was the heavy equipment that was tossed off with the barrels into
this canyon? Where would that be? The tobaccie has to make sense.
So the fun part when you travel around the area there looking at these things,
going yeah, this makes sense. So I've been that bluff Peak a
lot. I used to be brillian anal. I guess I still am about
keeping track where you go. It's like I was Janiel Press asking me once,
how many times have you been? Guess what Robert did? He takes
all his notes out and starts going through his little journals, going, okay,
tally them up. It only counts when you go all the way up
to the Burman down again. You don't have to go a way up to
the parking area. So it was fine to do that. And it's been
a lot, and Roddy's done a lot, and that's want to make sure.
Ever, Bandy the Bluffreak proje. He gets mentioned here got my list
because when you get over sixty you forget things. Could you write them down?
So Steven Storrow up to Roddy, Kelly Ian Carton Kip Morell. He's
actually a member of the team too. I figured that if you want to
have a good program, you've got to have Kip on it because if you
have Kip on your team, people are willing to listen to you, and
you get a lot of credibility with kIPS on your Bigfoot of the Year.
He's seventeen years straight, pretty to give. We got to have him on
our team and he's got a great sense of hearing and he loves to cook.
He's a good listener and he loves to sing. Tateronymous he's not related
to the higher Enemous, although it was funny when he was with Bob and
he was introduced as Tatonymous and Bob yet one loves the live all rights things
and he had, oh, no, we're not related. The spelling is
different on two letters. No, we're not related. But Kate's been pretty
helpful. I work with him and with a rowdy on the Bluff Preak project.
Podcast. I like the end the Field stuff, which means Latimer gets
to be a paparazzi again and he records you away from the real world,
and I always like a better story that way. So that's in the field.
We got a bunch of new episodes coming up. I know people are
waiting to see how they turned out. And of course I admit Jamie Radio,
Jamie Wayne Nice to go by that and Dustin Severs. I gotta throw
a stone at Dustin Sievers real quick, because he was one of the handful
of people who watched all of the seventy two Bluff Preak film site project video.
He watched every single one of them. He was so interested in the
project that he watched all of them. And he shows up. Great guy,
very athletic. He lives in Oregon, very smart, very ingenious.
He wrote the latest book I held up before we started. He's got a
lot of knowledge, but he was right there with us. We just do
this because it's the right thing to do, and we've taken on the film
side area to try to protect it, ineducate people on it, and sometimes
we wonder if that was the right thing, because when you open an area
up to the elements and foot traffic, it gets destroy that much faster,
so a lot of the film site slowly deteriorating because now that these logs that
were still rotting but still in the right position with the fungus going on him,
now people have been sitting on him and been standing on him. It's
messed up. Like the Smiley Face stump and all those stumps that we exposed
to do our maps to find out where the location was are now exposed to
the elements. So we like to ask people when they go there, because
it is your place, just be nice. Don't destroy it for other people.
We don't like having fires there, but some people started doing that,
having fires on the film site. Not to mention the fire danger's pretty high
in that area and it burns around it and it stays not so bad because
the moisture likes to hang in the bottom. But having people go up there
and camp wherever they want or leave their garbage, that's not cool. We're
starting to see that most people respect it, are glad to be there and
enjoy it, but there's a few and maybe it doesn't mean much to them
as it does to other people. The Bluff Cree Project is a big advocate
for protecting the areas, letting people know about Humbo Martin's. So it's a
cool place. That's very good advice for people who go up there. Be
respectful people. Don't go up there and dump your shit out. Don't start
fires. Leave things the way that you found them, and leave them better
than you found them. Robert, I will link to the book in the
show notes. Everybody, go check out the Bluff Break Project book. I've
had a blast talking to you. I really appreciate you coming on. You're
a wealth of knowledge. Man. It's been really fun. Every time I
get invitation to talk about it, get to talk about it. Then that's
why I won't forget. That's when you get old. You gotta keep telling
the stories. If you stop telling the stories, you start forgetting stuff.
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