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Pastor Vlad Savor talks about surrendering your
life to Jesus for true freedom, going

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beyond deliverance from affliction. He teaches
that deliverance is a step towards giving yourself

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to God rather than just using God
for personal success. Well Lad tries to

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make the focus on transformation. He
sells the same old hate package with the

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side of ghost hunter. Skeptics question
the extent of these religious practices and their

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impact on individuals lives, and whether
his approach leads to a desired outcome.

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There's an article was from The Christian
Post entitled Pastor warrens At Seeking Jesus for

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deliverance. Relief without surrendering is not
Christianity by Genie or Tago Law was published

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on August twenty five, twenty twenty
three. Now, Helen, I was

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wondering, I'm presuming you looked over
this or what did you think of this?

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What was your take on this?
So the first thing that came into

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my brain was brainwashing. That's basically
what I got out of this article.

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And because like mister Vlad's strongholds Savyak
soft shick, I don't know how to

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pronounced his name, doesn't matter because
describing like this ridiculous perception and he's just

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another pastor that we always talk about
on this show, after a long line

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of pastors that you know, have
the true meaning of Christianity, and I'm

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sick of hearing it, like,
please spare me the details, because it's

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the same rhetoric over and over again. And he claims to have a special

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relationship with the sky Daddy, you
know, and he is preaching his particular

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interpretation of that relationship. And what
I found so frustrating too, is that

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when I was going through one thing
that I really stood out to me not

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only his brain welshing rhetoric, but
his rhetoric about addiction, which really really

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bothered me and encouraging people as said
of you know, ether data, cigarettes

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or alcohol or you know whatever it, porn or whatever it is, that

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if they just place that with Jesus, suddenly the need for those things are

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going to go away. And I
should, I should. I'm gonna put

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a little caveat porns on it.
There's no such thing as porn addictions,

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but and the and their perceptions it
is. And I find that really disgusting

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because people that have addictions and things
in their lives that they're is controlling their

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lives and they feel like they can't
get away out. They need professional help.

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They need therapists and counselors and medical
professionals to help them not only get

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control of their addictions, but make
it manageable for the rest of their lives

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so it doesn't consume them again.
And when he's talking about, oh,

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you know what, just replaced it
with Jesus, that's just you're just taking

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another drug and replacing it with another. But this is religion and it works

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on the same part of the brain. So I find that so infuriating.

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Instead of instead of saying, you
know what, you can come to service.

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You know, that's fine, but
you should be you know, seeking

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professionals because this is a health issue. It's an a problem of the spirit,

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you know kind of crap. So
that's that was my main irritation with

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this guy. So anyway, I'm
gonna pass it to Phil because I said

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my piece for now, and I'm
just sad. Boy. This this fasta

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I have seen in on on the
tube before and he's kind of a problem

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matter and he's the he's the satanic
panic kind of guy, you know,

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open doorways. Huh. You know, back in the seventies, seventies,

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eighties Satanic panic who was a big
thing and talking about open doorways, and

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I was part of that at that
time when it was young man. It

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really has some really negative effects on
me. But yeah, so this this

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guy, it's really problematic talking about
open doorways, which normally they will say,

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oh, you needed to have these
doors closed, because if you're having

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open doorways, you cannot be blessed, you cannot accessful and Christians can have

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open doorways. And apparently, it
seems as Effie was being making, are

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part of the production of a film
that is supposed to come out and soon

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September it might if I remember seeing
correctly, and involved in that film,

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is that problematic guy hitful guy casta
Greg Low Yeah, yeah wow. I

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was like, whoops, this is
really problems here. No hit hitul hitful

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And as Helen correctly said, he's
creating this addiction Christianity to replace other addictions.

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And we know it's and to involve
control. We already see that article

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control and believe it or not,
just like a lot of these guys camps

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camps through apparently yes itself. Yeah, he's a skimmer, and I have

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the evidence. I love that he
talks about he wants to lock in members

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to join in his shirt and to
bring in money to do what he has

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this project going on call season of
Growth, our new home. And they

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have these architectural plans, acquire permit
phase one, renovate the first half of

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the building, purchased broadcast, blah
blah blah, et cetera. And I

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saw a figure of one million,
three hundred and thirty two thousand dollars.

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I don't know if that's the amount
of money they've collected as Yeah, And

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he's telling people you can get involved
in three with this prayer. He wants

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them people to pray that the Holy
Spirit will often pople's heart that they will

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have faithful generosity towards this ministry.
Right two Number two give people see what

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a spirit to tell people to ask
you what spirit in the exact like?

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And you know what sometimes doesn't SAP
money donations Usually yes, generous generous given

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towards this project. WHOA And and
then number three invite he wants to have

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do you know others have both the
resources and the heart for project like this

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scam. This guy is a scam
the rich. Yeah, same old story,

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isn't it. Same old story.
Guy, I saw the same salagist,

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different dressing man. Yeah, the
dress is just soured. Yeah.

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Yeah. And it's just this classic
thing as well of when he says,

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oh, we produced take one addiction
and replace it with another one. Yeah,

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that's kind of the playbook of Christianity
for thousands of years, finding people

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who are in a bad way,
they're drug addicted, they're poor, there

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they need something to live for,
and taking that and saying you could live

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for this, why don't you have
Jesus as if it's the answer to all

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their problems, And for a little
while it is, and they become usually

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kind of strange, rabid apologists for
a while, and then eventually many of

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them, funny enough, flip the
other way. I found eventually give them

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a good decade or so after that
because they realize actually it didn't help them

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at all, and back on whatever
it was, and they get professional help

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and everything changes. But yeah,
it's what I've found fascinating that it's apart

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from that, this guy, almost
every single word he utters is absolute abject

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nonsense about demons and other such trash
that doesn't exist. Is this whole very

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old fashioned idea that you must give
up everything and everything you do must be

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in the service of God, that
it's giving yourself over to God. It's

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very Augustinian, it's a very city
of God. All your feelings should be

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towards the Telos. The phoenis the
direction, the target, and that target

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is spending eternity in a white place
worshiping a guy, which sounds great.

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Yeah, I'll tell you what I'd
rather get high to be quite honest,

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keeping it it's but yeah, he's
just another He's just another another evangelical scammer

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who wants you to pay for his
big house, and probably then he'll need

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a plane, and probably then he'll
need something. He won't tell you what

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it is, but let's just say
she's a very expensive one, and all

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the other hypocritical things we'll do with
that money. It's the same, same,

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We've just seen the birth of yet
another Greg Locke, you name it,

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Pop off the Lot. So yeah, if nothing else, here's an

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interesting sociological experiment to watch, I
guess, and see how this all happens,

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had the people flock around him,
and see if we can find ways

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to use that data to stop it
happening over and over and over agreens.

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Other than that, I don't know
what we can do. It's just a

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tale as old as Augustine. So
I don't Well, I've got to say

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that initially, after I started watching
a few of his videos and hearing his

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repetitive rhetoric, just kind of settled
on the name Vlad the Demon and pale

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it it just worked. Just another
charlatan who's trying to sell something that's really

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hard to take serious. Now,
his biography does look like what it should

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look like, early indoctrination, deep
immersion, you know, and his claim

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to fame as you know, you
mentioned the demons and strongholds, you know,

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and he talks about this blind obedience, you know, surrender their entirety

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of their lives so Jesus can permanently
break their strongholds. Now, as I

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said, it is difficult to take
someone who's playing the ghost Hunter seriously.

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But the dangers he pitches there there, they are very real. You know,

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Jesus isn't showing up to give any
order, So who is who is

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the way? Who are they going
to be obedient too? And how are

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they going to be obedient. You
know, first, this whole concept of

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demon mythology teaches that, you know, you're all just to pray monsters,

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being prey to whoever whatever whims of
outside subject subject you to. It also

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only flips side that they don't talk
about as much. Is it makes those

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that you oppose your enemies, those
woke people, and all those people that

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aren't children of the True God.
It makes them to be possessed monsters.

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They're just demon possessed evil villains.
And that has a whole realm of dangers

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itself, you know, to them. You know, he teaches against anti

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LGBTQ, you know, and and
this puts people at risk, This puts

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people at violence, has put people
at risk of discrimination, ridicule, and

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these are things. And of course
he also has this really weird mentality called

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uh generational curses, where you know, you carry on not just this weird

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concept of original sent from the Catholic
Church, but that when you're when your

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parents and your grandparents and they do
things that fail other people that you know

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you you you take on that as
well, You take on that as part

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of you. And of course he's
got the answer, He's got all the

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solutions, you know, pay me, come to me, obey me,

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follow me as I follow hate,
I mean, as I follow Christ.

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And that's really what he's wanting to
do. And it's almost like watching a

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cross between Finding Bigfoot or some other
show that right now passes for Discovery on

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Discovery are more actually more History channel
and passes for bad entertainment. And I

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was wondering, Helena, do you
have any additional takes on this? He

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mentioned delivering several times in this and
I just keep thinking of the nineteen seventy

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two movie and yeah, and just
kind of it was kind of ironic that

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that's where my brain went and now
that's that, and I was like,

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that's it. I'm like, this
is the horror show that has developed me

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also too, when I was reading
over the article, he says something about

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Israel came out of Egypt, and
Egypt didn't come out of them, and

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they had to go through renewing of
their mind. That's why they died like

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slaves, though they were no longer
chased by the Pharaoh. And I can't

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help but feel a little bit of
anti Semitism. You know, I might

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be reading too much into that,
but it just because if that's the slave

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like mentality that he's pushing that narrative
onto people, you know, because I

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wouldn't be surprised if he thought that, you know, Jewish people were the

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really the real cause, you know, of whatever it is, you know,

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whatever, you know, racist,
you know, big a trophy you

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want to throw in there to get
people to other them, and that we

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have the correct religion. We are
we are the ones to you know,

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save you. I'm going to save
you, you know, from you know,

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whatever demons you have. And I
mean, like I might be reading

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too much into it, but I
get a little you know, when I

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see things like that and these little
sly you know, references, I just

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get a little bit concerned that maybe
it just meed, but I worry about

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that type of stuff. And I
just I really wish people would, like

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any religion, would stop praying as
you were saying, praying on the vulnerable.

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You know. I think it just
really really bothers me because people need

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communities, Yes, they need community
support. Absolutely, they need people are

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around them to support them that you
know, they're they're doing the work and

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you know they have a soft place
of land. Why they're you know,

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dealing with issues in their lives.
But the thing is, though, is

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that people like him say, I
see vulnerable people that are hurting, and

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because they're hurting, they're you know, they're using a substance to make the

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pain go away. But I'm going
instead of actually doing real help, please

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come work with me and I'll make
all your problems go away. I'm gonna

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make I'm gonna give you the easy
solution. Just give it over to Jesus,

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you know. And that type of
rhetoric just it discuss me because he's

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praying on vulnerable people and that's and
that's what they do. All these pastors

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prey on the vulnerable. And I
just find I just like it just bothers

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me so much. And you know, someone that cares about people's mental health

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and they're all beings. So all
right, I want my little rant.

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I'm gonna has it a fell I
think it felt Yeah, yes, uh

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right, I agree with you.
And it is they are playing on the

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vulnerabilities of people. And this is
what we know religion does, especially Christianity,

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Islam, a lot of other cultic
type religions. They tend to play

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on the vulnerabilities of persons and say, look, we got something that will

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make you feel better. But in
the process what they do is gas like

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gas late the persons make them feel
worthless so that they and then give them

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this, Oh I have the cure. So they made them feel worthless and

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then say, oh I have the
cure. And all this guy has been

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talking, as we said before,
a bunch of words salad. There's no

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he doesn't even use any scripture versus
at all. It's just this grumbling about

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him. Yes, you you,
you need deliverance, but don't do it

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for your personal self just to get
there, but to give it all to

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Jesus and all to God and blah
blah blah, and he will take care

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of this. But the goal is
Jesus and current people. True. True,

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a guilt trick, right, true, a guilt trip. And another

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thing I noticed was it was that
he has this he's trying to promote it.

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Basically, he's given out this promotion
of being sold out as slaves the

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dog because you know, the the
Christianity and tends to talk about ther slaves

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to Christ, that Christians of slaves
Christ. And this is a sort of

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mentality he's also pushing. He said, Jesus is not a mean style goal,

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he's the goal is I don't know, he's he's just current people on

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a raid, a guilt trip raid. And along with thin or I have,

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you know, they charrot and stick
policy character and stick thing giving them

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the stick carrot, come for it, come for it. So I'm not,

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well, what is your thoughts about? I've got that much else to

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say. I just find him yet
just another of so many of these people,

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dangerous people who part of me,
there's a nice part of me wants

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to think that he doesn't know that
he's being a manipulative con man. But

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the better part of me knows that
he absolutely does know exactly what he's doing

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and why he's doing it. And
that's the bit I think that's most well.

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Evil is the only way I can
bring to that. It's just not

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something someone should do. And you
know, every time you talked about the

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kind of things he talks about,
I keep thinking, not just instead of

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demons, I think of Thetan's and
I think of all the other religions that

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have their versions of this to get
extract money for people. And I just

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sometimes wish I was a shade nastier, because I would probably be a billionaire

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by now damn it, well,
damn you and your morals. If well,

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I've got to say that the big
thing about this is that we set

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it up for obedience and we're going
to save you by following this. But

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the truth is is that when you
fail, it's almost a win for them,

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because then, yep, well you
suck. Pray harder, you didn't

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live up to the expectation. Pray
more, give more, dedicate more,

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be more for Christ. And so
when you fail again, well yep,

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we told you, Yep, you
still suck. So let's rents and repeat.

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And that really does boil down to
it. And I think that you

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guys summed up everything, and well, I love to hear the sound of

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my own voice, admittedly, or
I wouldn't be here, Helena. I

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figured you might want to wrap things
up for us. So if anything,

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I can say to our audience that
you're all very smart, educated people,

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because that's why you watch our show. And so if you can help someone

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not listen to someone like this terrible
person, please do. And that is

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all I'm going to say. So
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