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We're back with another edition of The
Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emily Jasinski,

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culture editor here at the Federalist.
As always, you can email the show

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our website as well. I'm joined
today once again by Christopher Bedford, executive

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editor over at the Common Sense Society. Chris, Welcome back. Do you

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ever wake up in the morning and
just say it's Bedford Day. It's like,

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look, I could jump up with
a song in your heart. This

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is the background information is that we
do typically record on Thursdays, so it

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is really Bedford Day on Federalist Radio
Hour. Sometimes the podcast doesn't air that

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Thursday because of the schedule. There
are lots of dates that we have to

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work around, but Thursday really is
Bedford Day. It's exciting, it's a

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routine. It's been auteen for a
couple of years now. Even though you

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don't even work here anymore, we
still let you in. It's not constructs

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hold us back. He just makes
himself at home in the office still with

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there's a we have sort of a
madman esque like, I know I need

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a drink. Yeah. He One
time I walked in it was like eleven

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thirty in the morning. He just
had a glass of rum. Nothing makes

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it into it just rum. I
mean no, I mean I've already accomplished

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a lot by the time I see
you here. I've dropped Chris Frawford school

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or camp. I've today, I've
gone to Jiffy Loup to fix a jeep,

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made it to confession, haven't I
had a cup of coffee. I'm

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I'm ready for a whiskey. You've
read. I'm just gonna actually keep talking.

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Well, you pour yourself a whiskey
and we'll air all of this.

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Not a big poor Chris. No, it's a morning. A man has

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to draw a line somewhere. I'm
one of those people is very prone to

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suggestion, Like I can see someone
let light a cigarette in a movie.

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I'm a cigarette smoke. I just
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one, I'm probably gonna grab on
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that does look good. I'm I'm
the people that the government text us from,

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like you're not allowed to advertise us
anymore. On Hollywood movies or the

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Coaches. You just watch boogie nights
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your head. Yeah, I want
to do that. That does look good.

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Yeah, well, we're not going
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going to talk about cocaine, aren't
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not gonna talk We're not doing that. We did, we did enough of

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that and then you went on a
bender and you just we can't talk about

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cocaine ever. Again, no one's
allowed to do cocaine anymore, and nobody's

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allowed to say cocaine because as soon
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oh, the beast is held by
frail and fragile bars. But the good

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news is that it's it's morning.
So you're you're sort of limited by that

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important boundary. You've had to do
your own life. But Chris, you

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have an article out in the Telegraph
with the headline Biden's foulmouth outbursts can't change

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reality. He's lost it. It
was fun to get my first British headline.

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They have that special style of writing. Yeah. So there's an article

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on actually us that came out that
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seriously, perfectly well coordinated from inside
the White House leaks called Old Yeller,

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and it was about Joe Biden's awful
temper, which is not a secret in

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washing in DC. It's been known
for decades. He's got an awful temper.

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If you're a justice on the Supreme
Court, Clarence Thomas, you know

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that he's got a pretty vicious streak
to him. If you're his granddaughter,

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you know he's got a pretty vicious
streak his seventh granddaughter, who he refuses

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to acknowledge just by pushing himself as
a family man all the time and has

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his age to say that if you've
been on the other side of him from

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political political negotiations, or if you've
been back in the day in line waiting

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to go to your cell out when
he would shove past you and say something

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rude, you get out. No. It happened to my friend Daniel Turner,

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who's been on this podcast many times, got pushed aside. He's got

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I'm a senator and the consummate gentleman, by the way, the most polite

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man you'll ever meet, yes,
but also a New Yorker from Queens So

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I push too far well, absolutely
lose it. You also even know this

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if you're an Irishman at that Yeah, true, well Turners an Irishman,

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but he's also Italian, half Italian
half Iris self loathing. Now, yeah

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he's got he's got our looks and
they're cooking the But you also know that

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if you're Hunter Biden and one of
the one of the WhatsApp messages that was

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leaked to think to Naomi Biden,
where he was saying, I just you

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know, granted he was in the
throes of things, it's like, I

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just hope that you don't have to
make money for this whole family. You're

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lucky debt Pops is not going to
take half of your salary away from you.

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I hope that never happens to you. Thanks. So Joe Biden the

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only person, the only people this
is a surprise to that Joe Biden is

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a vicious son of a gun,
would be the American people, because he

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sold himself completely and totally as a
grandfatherly consoler in chief. Right, It's

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like your average just guy hugs you, who takes some of the awful tragedies

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he's experienced, losses he's experienced in
his life, and allows him to empathize

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at a very high level with these
folks and just be that the hugger,

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be someone who's there for you and
make you feel good. That's kind of

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a they've sold, but now they're
trying to bring it back, like no,

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this guy's with it now that NPR
and a headline earlier the Spring is

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saying a quote significant majority of the
American people think that Joe Bridon's brain function

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is a serious cause of concern for
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say, not only is he high
functioning, clearly not true, but he's

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so high function he's angry. I
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he's how he's got a temper if
you read the the article, or like

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the problem is he knows more than
the briefers. Yes, he likes to

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play a game called stump the dummy
or stump the dump up something. Stump

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the chump was one of them.
Whi's like, he goes in there and

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he's going to interrogate you deeply.
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is the way people talked about briefing. My grandfather talked about briefing Robert McNamara,

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where like you could go through one
hundred and ninety two slides and he'd

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be like, wait a second,
that one doesn't seem to work with slide

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three, right, And like this
is a guy who had just a brilliant

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mind and was in his youth.
That ain't Joe Biden. The idea that

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he's like the whole idea is that
he loses his temper. But actually it's

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a sign that he respects you in
this op ed or in this article that

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was leaked, and that it's really
just because he's burdened by his genius.

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He knows so much more than his
staff, who, by the way,

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literally tell him when to talk and
when not to talk. Yeah, where

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to stand when not to stand.
How they have to move the bags around

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on the stage it's bad to make
sure it doesn't fall down and get a

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face bruce, which happened. Yeah, we we have a leadership that's so

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old, like so old it is
face bruise old, which is a very

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ancient style. I don't even mind
old leadership so long as like, for

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instance, do I think you know
is an ideal that we have so many

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leaders who are in advanced age and
seem to be clear older than the oldest

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member of the oldest the oldest premieer
of the Soviet Union. That's an interesting

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statistic. But I will say there's
something about the wisdom gleaned from so many

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years spent in public service that you
know, you go into the Senate and

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there are people who've worked there for
a really long time who have these like

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this vast institutional knowledges, and it's
incredible. But that's obviously not what's happened

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with if people who are clinging to
power because power. Joe Biden is the

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best example of this. Is their
tether to money is like they have camped

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out in the swamp and are fastly
clinging to that power because it's all they

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have. And that is I think
incredibly pathetic and means that they're doing it

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with no sense of virtue, like
it is long past their due date right

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like they do not they do they
lack the faculties to continue serving. That

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is abundantly clear. When it comes
to Joe Biden, his family knows it.

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They still encourage allowed him to run. Dan Feinstein is an example of

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that obviously as well. I would
say, even you know, you can

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maybe make that argument about Nancy Pelosi
and then you have Done Trump and Bernie

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senators coming out and no, according
to like playbook and you know, girl

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girl Boss coverage of DC, Nancy
Pelosi is just the queen. But to

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compare her tenure under Barack Obama to
her ten year under Joe Biden and Donald

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Trump is it's just just doesn't work
well. And so this is like again

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not comparable, barely comparable her level
her ability to succeed earlier in her career,

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and that's just natural. Yeah,
you have. But then you have

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Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders, who
again are older and obviously very different political

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backgrounds, but they're clearly competent,
like you can see it in public.

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They do still have the faculties to
govern like they can still they have the

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the physical and mental capacity to do
the work that they need to do.

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It affects us all differently, it
does, and it's just a stark,

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stark contrast too. Like you you
know who's got it, you know who

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doesn't, and it's just abundantly clear
that Joe Biden is not in that situation.

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I want to ask you about this
theory, which is based on this

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Axios story that you wrote about in
your piece. I imagine what happened.

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Aton has this story, gets a
bunch of aids on background, goes to

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the White House with it, and
the White House is like, this is

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actually what's happening. It's a sign
of respect. We're going to send some

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people who will tell you on background
that when this happened to them, it

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made them feel like they this was
their moment that they were really part of

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the White House staff. It's a
rite of passage, etcetera, etcetera.

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Just it's his way of showing respect. And this story turned out that way

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because access was bullied by the White
House into adding and massaging this story by

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adding that framing. That's possible,
but there's really no there's no real complaints

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about Joe Biden anywhere in it.
There's some people say that they get worried

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about going into that meeting, but
it's if that is the case, then

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it's really expert press handling. But
I honestly think that, well, no,

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it's not. It's not expert press
handling. It's them being pathetic.

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It's it's actually as being very willing
to massage a story, or being very

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willing to get by the White House. The White House may not have even

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hand to bully them. They may
have just been able to say, well,

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okay, we're canceling this interview,
or that we're trying to show how

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intense the president is. How do
you think they intentionally planted a story about

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Biden being quote old yeller. I
don't think they shows a headline about the

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dog that got put down at the
end. Pretty awkward, right. I

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didn't write that, and I didn't
write that in the article because I don't

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want to know how a call from
Secret Service. But it's like I know

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the end of that movie. The
British tabloid headline would have just been like

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put them down, exclamation boy and
exclamation point. When I was studying in

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London and internet readers, digests and
everything, they had this show out because

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everyone in everyone in London hated Joke
W. Bush with a passion, like

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a really unseemly passion for the Dixie
Chicks had their moment if you heard,

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if they heard your accent in a
bar, somebody like guaranteed would get in

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your face right about like what a
global warming? And Iraq? The thing

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is the English, you know,
is that buy and large. There's two

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types of Englishmen emaciated, skinny ones
and globular fat ones. So like an

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American boy who's gone at the gym
and played a sport can throw them over

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a table. Like there's some big
Englishman out there, but not a ton

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rugby. You say, yeah,
yeah, exactly. It wasn't difficult to

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get out of those situations, but
they were really demented about it. And

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there was all these advertisements in the
subway that had an obvious look alike.

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It was for a series in England. It was called like Killing the President,

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and it was like a dramatization.
It was obvious George w. Bush

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getting shot and black and white on
all these ads. And I was so

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picked at that, so annoyed sitting
there as an American, like it made

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me more more pro Bush to be
there, which I'm not. You started

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dressing like George Washington style hat,
my style of dress and my ugly mug

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made it so that I could walk
into any pub with all my American friends

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and the bounce would nod to me
and say hey, and they just stopped

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my friends. Okay, here's the
rule for Americans. And when I spoke,

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people are shocked because no one thought
I was American, which is not

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a compliment if you're seeing like elbow
patches. Yeah, like I wore like

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fred Shermans and stuff like cap that
like weird, pinkish like balding thing.

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That's basically the entire Ireland, England
and Scotland is US. I was shocked

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when I went to say, it's
like Euros of Wisconsin in South Dakota and

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stuff that, like everyone all the
men are over six feet, the women

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are five to eleven. Everyone can
go out in the sun, a lot

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of blonde people. I'm like,
what are this strange muscular people, And

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it turns out it's just where the
Germans went. Massachusetts is like not even

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white people, it's like pinkish people. And the sas level the Sandavian is

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the Germans. Yeah, they're not
even eating corn syrup. They're eating actual

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corn. You don't put that stuff
in a syrup. I'm like, gosh,

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how could you so actually, no, they're definitely eating corns. Well,

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you get down in Nebraska. It
was noticeable. We get down from

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South Dakota down in Nebraska. South
Dakota like women who could be models in

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New York just selling socials of coronic
gas. Stations in the Brandon Omaha,

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I would say conservatively forty percent of
the people I saw were limping. It

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was the health disparity was wild,
but also so was the accessor It was

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in Cris incredible. Well, yeah, that's the It is truly the double

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edged sword. On that note,
that's why I'm always healthy, no poison

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in my body. I was going
to say, just just tobacco, whiskey,

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and meat. You don't even vape. I'm not a vepist. The

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don't think that's I would be really
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My impression of it is that it's
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becoming impossible for somebody like Alex Thompson
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so many people were telling these anecdotes, and then when you go to the

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White House for comment, the White
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it on the campaign shown. Why
didn't they report in the earlier when he

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got in that steelworker's face for asking
him about the Second Amendment, right and

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whatever he asked him. I'm sure
he was like, you're gonna take our

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guns away, but he said it
such a measure tone it wasn't even picked

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up on the audio. Yeah,
and Joe Biden told him he was full

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of expletive. And then when his
aid said okay, it's enough, he

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put his hand in her face,
right in her face, and said hush,

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yeah, hush, And I sorted
the ranted him like we saw that.

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We saw him caught on a hot
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only people which possibly challenges him a
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We've seen over and over in his
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don't know. In twenty twenty three, for actually, like we can no

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longer ignore this story. Joe Biden's
a jerk. Yeah, Mike, no

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way, I just I woke It's
like I woke up and started to write

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that story on it. Now.
I guess maybe it's possible, but it

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where's the breaking news? Everyone seen? How's it? Well? So in

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this this is the This story was
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I think Marine Dad's columns or Sunday
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Joe Biden ignoring cruelly ignoring her.
His seventh grandchild from London Roberts and Navy

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Joan Roberts is the name of the
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years old. An hour is four
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London Roberts, a stripper, and
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allow that child to use the last
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win that. It must be part
of a settlement, because I could.

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I think it could change my name
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he probably has some say and not
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so his argument is people find this
out in divorce court often it's like you

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actually don't own your name. The
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father of the baby, and they've
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but as the father of the baby, Hunter Biden says that name will just

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cause the baby pain. And you
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of the motivation of the mom.
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or as part of the child's support
bids thing, whatever it is. I

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don't know. It's discussing that this
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court since she was born because the
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responsibilities as a father, and neither
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It's all just pathetic and sad.
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day after Marine down story there,
I am actually curious because Biden's entire pitch

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the American public is, as you
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this is he was going to restore
normalcy, sability, decency. If anybody

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is rude to anyone in my White
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day. He made the promise.
There you go. I was out on

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the base stage in the mc donald
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their voice or a big little someone
will be fired that day. We're not

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right. So if you run in
the kindergarten, they're going to get on

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yellow light and then they're gonna get
on the a red light and I'm going

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to move their safety pin from one
to the other. Well, but this

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is a good I'm glad you can
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in America. That is so true. That is so true. Biden is

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restoring hostility to the workplace where it
belongs. Style places with low air conditioning

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in dress coach and without the no
feminine rules of engagement. And you should

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be a smoke inside. That would
double the productivity of newsrooms. Yes,

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no women, No, I'm not
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thing is man. That is not
a men's job. So there was this

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bishop, I think he was in
South Dakota who didn't want to actually get

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rid of the a dispensation had been
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ultraservers, which he wasn't too into
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women because he thought that would alienate
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no makeup. Everyone must wear these
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shoes, and everyone must like this
is the way the people. It's two

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acceptable modes. One from any one
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the buzzy. Don't say like I'm
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smoking inside it is it's freezing in
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course, igut, I guess it's
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implications of the story as you write
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the American public about normal cy,
civility, and decency increasingly going to be

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undercut by the reality of Biden's presidency, no matter how hard the media tries

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to keep it under wraps. And
this is where I want to turn to

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Christopher Ray. That may seem like
an Olympic level gymnastics move to transition from

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one to the other, but I
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not just about him being grandfather,
That's part of it. It's also about

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normalcy, right, Like, there
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Oval office after the erratic reality television
show host that he wanted to impress on

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the public. This was going to
feel like the America they knew before Donald

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Trump. And so if you thought
Donald Trump sullied the White House that we

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had to be talking about Stormy Daniels
every day, and uh, if I

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thought that was too much, here
we have this normal, kind, decent

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grandfather and at the same time,
you know, you now have these Marine

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Dowdy of Alex Thompson's story. And
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personal level. On the political level, we have nothing close to normalcy.

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fault. It is plainly at this point,

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fairly even Joe Biden's fault, Joe
Biden, the dj and the FBI's

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fault. That you have Christopher Ray
in front of Congress yesterday, and it

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is a disaster. It is a
disaster for the administration. I mean,

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I think Joe Biden might have restored
some sense of normalcy had we lived in

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a pre progressive state and something before
Woodrow Wilson. Essentially where a president as

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demeanor like Calvin Coolis can really kind
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But we don't have that. We've
got we have a war state administration bureaucracy

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that is a war footing bureaucracy that
is actively under Since Donald Trump, they

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got their courage to really be very
open and the agendas that they push and

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absolutely wild things and push boundaries everywhere. And Joe Biden has won his White

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House as zero interest in controlling it
because they like it. Yeah, And

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I don't think even if Joe Biden
did have an interesting constraining I don't see

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him having the capacity to actually do
so. A much more vibrant and younger

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Joe Biden would not have the capacity
I think to do so at least would

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be very pushed very hard. So. But whether or not the American voters

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care or reject that, it still
is thanks a lot suburban Republican women a

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lot about feels the vibes of these
different guys, and Joe Biden still has

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still has probably significantly better vibes than
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Although the senility I think has has
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bad in twenty twenty, but it's
much much worse now. Not gonna even

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to hide him as much on the
campaign trail as I previously. But if

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it's just scripted events, I mean, then there's a certain sector of society

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that's just kind of close off entirely
to that. I was having dinner unfortunately,

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probably my life, and I was
some old family friends a few weeks

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ago, and I was actually complimenting
Biden on something talking to someone else,

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and I said, well, you
know, he was just too senile to

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get this warning. So we actually
pushed it through, talking about the withdrawal

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from Afghanistan, that where the generals
had lied to Obama, they'd lied to

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Trump and again and Joe Biden's ignored
them. And our host flipped, absolutely

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flipped. One's a doctor, retired
doctor, one's a nurse, saying you're

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not a doctor, how dare you? Joe Biden is perfect. You will

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not be insulted in this home.
It got really ugly, but it was

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a glimpse into a set of people
who just really hate Trump so much.

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Well, the view, I mean, did you see the view actually defending

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vigorously defending Joe and Hunter Biden's treatment
of Navy the seventh grandchild. It was

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exactly to your point, that's awful. It was utterly brain dead. They

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were blaming conservatives for making an issue
of it. Marine down is obviously not

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a conservative like known conservative marine doubt, but that was their line, Like

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it was, their brains could not
compute, and it was just reflexive.

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You know, they made COVID partisans, they made masks partisans. Seems partisans.

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So the doctor taps on your knee
and you reflexively kick out. For

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so many people, that's what it
is. You criticize Joe Biden when he's

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in this binary Trump versus Biden,
you're immediately just going to kick out and

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say Rebublican's bad, when in fact
we're talking about a man who who claims

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to be so decent and claims to
be I mean, he talks all the

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time about how he loves being a
grandfather, ignoring a child that is his

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own flesh and blood, his son's
flesh. Another reality, aside from the

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fact that most American families, almost
all American families have seen close hand the

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effects of age on loved ones and
how it changes people, which is why

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we all recognize it. And Joe
Biden, a lot of American families know

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the reality of children born out of
marriage or unexpected children. It's this is

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it's the sad reality of our modern
society that that's it's become more and more

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and more common and parents. It
does strike a chord with people who reject

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the idea of rejection as opposed to
I can't believe you did that. What

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were you thinking? Where's the baby? I can't wait to cuddle it.

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Think it's like the reaction, maybe
a more sane reaction so people can feel

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it, but we're just so tribal
at this point. I don't I don't

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really know if people are going to
vote on it. This was an interesting

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So I was watching Molly on Special
Report last night, so Wednesday after Ray

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testified, and they went to one
Williams First and Special Report and asked about

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race testimony, and one Williams trotted
out a line of defense about Christopher Ray

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being a member of the Federalist Society
and being how could you possibly it is?

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It's sort of laughable to imagine Christopher
Ray as this arch anti Republican villain

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who is sitting atop his purchase,
this kind of guy and and pulling the

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strings. What do you mean by
it's kind of true? I don't think

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he is an arch villa, and
I think Republicans are kind of going up

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to the wrong people or it's the
DOJ this play, and it's just Christopher

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Ray is probably a company man in
a stude who's not prepared to fight back

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against the fully politicized FBI. But
that makes him he's not an arch He's

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not pulling strings. I don't think
I think he's I think he's a company

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man. I think he's a people
pleaser. I don't think he's like raided

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the pro life doctor. Yeah.
I don't think there's any answers behind that.

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And we saw that when he kind
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be like he's like, you know, there was domestic parism before January six,

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And when he pushed back on another
Democratic congresswoman, she said, actually,

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the attacks on abortion centers haven't been
happening. We've been seeing attacks on

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pro life center now. I love
Ship Roy's line of questioning on this when

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Ray said when he was hacking,
He's like, how about this obvious abuse

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of power. What about this obvious
anti Christian targeting by the FBI, what

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about this crack down? What about
dropping this case? He's like, I'm

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not going to question the judgment of
my allegians, and ship Roy goes,

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that's your job, hired. What
are you talking about? Like, your

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job is to oversee and question the
judgments of the people who work for you.

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I think that Christopher Ray is very
much just a company man who's gonna

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he was he was, he was
cut out of the loop on the anti

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Catholic stuff out of the Richmond office, and he cracks down and of course,

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you know disciplinary measures, you're never
actually going to see those. I

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don't think he's remotely capable of writing
the ship of the FBI and rooting out

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the partisanship in it and getting it
back to where it should be. But

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I don't think that's He's not a
comy. He's not those guys who let

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it down that path. He's not
an America Garland of the DOJ. He's

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just kind of a stooge. That's
very much the person that should be the

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target of conservative approbrium, though because
increasingly the idea of being a company man

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at the FBI means rubber stamping instigations, and that is in some ways,

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it's like, it's interesting because to
the point that one Williams was making about

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Christopher Ray, it's it's laughable to
think of him as the sort of anti

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conservative arch villain. And Molly had
a great response to that, by the

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way, But what did she saying, because I'm sure she thinks that might

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just gave you like a really cucky
answer. I don't know, I don't

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know. I mean she she laid
out the case, you know that the

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sort of thirty thousand foot big picture
case of what Christopher Ray has overseen,

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since it's what he's overseen a is
awful. Yeah, I just don't know

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if he's I don't think he's ordering
it, and I don't think he's controlling

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it. And I think he's just
trying to So I think that's what's interesting,

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right, I think that's what's interesting
because actually it is true that a

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lot of the leadership like call me
or whatever at the FBI probably did vote

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for like both bushes, um,
you know, right, like they really

406
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probably are like generally supportive. Ine, Yeah, did you read his book?

407
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Did you? Okay, you didn't
read the whole thing. Oh,

408
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then I would be like, Chris
is insane. There was just at the

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beach. There's this one part where
he's writing about his first day at the

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FBI and his predecessor had this rule, like only white shirts. That was

411
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his rules. We're gonna be very
traditional. And he's like, on my

412
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first day at the FBI, I
wore a blue shirt. No one said

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anything, but they noticed. It's
like you fruitcake, you absolute fruitcake.

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Be careful, your head's gonna hit
the ceiling fan if you floating higher.

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Unreal And that's like the I think
this the ridiculous way he's he's a whack

416
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out. I don't think you'd ever
see chrispher Ray talking like that. Well,

417
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Christopher Ray has overseen the collision between
big tech and the FBI, which

418
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has been pretty pretty immense. And
yeah, but this is I actually think

419
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that's a really interesting point because there
is this class of elite leaders in Washington,

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DC. Some of them are lobbyists, some of them work for you

421
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know, the FBI, the DJ
just like the pull political class is probably

422
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the best way to put it.
And a lot of them probably are like

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registered Republicans or they'll they'll vote for
you know, Evan McMullin if they're forced

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to, or they vote that maybe
they know, voted for Mitt Romney.

425
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Those kinds of people, Um,
they voted for Obama and oh wait and

426
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then they got upset about the economy
and they pulled the trigger for Mitt Romney

427
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in twenty twelve. There are a
lot of those kinds of people who are

428
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now making decisions that feel totally normal
to them, like, of course we

429
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should work with of course, of
course Facebook and Twitter should be meeting every

430
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single week with the FBI. Actually, what we saw after the Missouri v.

431
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,680
Biden ruling on CNN and MSNBC,
one of the one of the people

432
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I think this was on MSNBC that
was saying, this is not really you

433
00:29:44,759 --> 00:29:48,119
know, if this censorship stops or
this collusion stops, that's not really a

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00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,799
world we want to live in.
That is a totally normal, seemingly nonpartisan

435
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:59,359
or even like transpartisan viewpoint among the
political class, among the whether you are

436
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:06,400
like saying, sort of deranged anti
Trump weirdo, or you are just the

437
00:30:06,839 --> 00:30:10,519
yes man, like a Christopher Ray, that seems obvious to you at this

438
00:30:10,599 --> 00:30:14,319
point, and so even I think
that's what's so dangerous about this time in

439
00:30:14,759 --> 00:30:18,839
history at the FBI is like,
these people have immense power and they are

440
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:23,559
convinced that the other side, you
know that it's Republicans. It's the shift

441
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:29,039
of the Overton window is so massive, saying Republicans and Democrats versus the unwashed

442
00:30:29,359 --> 00:30:33,920
unwashed masses, and the unwashed masses
are becoming so dangerous they need to be

443
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controlled. Where you're having weekly meetings
with the FBI and Twitter and Facebook,

444
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,000
and they're sending FBI agents over to
Twitter, which thank goodness Elon Musk got

445
00:30:41,079 --> 00:30:47,559
rid of. Yeah, the windows
shifted so much on that. I remember

446
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,119
one of the last press conferences of
the Obama presidency after Trump had won the

447
00:30:51,119 --> 00:30:56,519
election, was this fast reporter after
reporter for reporter begging the White House Press

448
00:30:56,559 --> 00:31:00,200
secretary, I can't remember it was
Gibbs or somebody, what do you going

449
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,240
to do about this? This information
the obvious lives on social media. That

450
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,519
obviously got the worst dictator in the
world ever elected president. And it was

451
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:12,720
to his credit the spokesman was like, there's a First Amendment. Government cannot

452
00:31:12,759 --> 00:31:17,400
do this. Well, I have
been seeing the Press secretary of the White

453
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,960
House having to remind the press over
and over again that he's not allowed to

454
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:25,559
control their speech. Was just creepy
and weird to watch. And the future

455
00:31:25,559 --> 00:31:27,480
White Houses were like, but what
if? What if we actually do it?

456
00:31:27,599 --> 00:31:33,799
Jensaki like commanded Facebook, Yeah,
just censored, you must do this.

457
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,480
Yeah, but the windows shifted.
I mean I wrote a piece for

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00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,640
the for the Common Sense Society substack
on Friday, which everyone subscribed to immediately,

459
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:47,319
the about the shift in just a
few years ago. There is interesting

460
00:31:47,359 --> 00:31:51,359
stuff on it. I've been reading
it. Yeah, there's a few years

461
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,799
ago. The idea of we need
to call our cattle herds because farts are

462
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:59,000
leading to cow farts are leading to
global warming was like a really stupid thing

463
00:31:59,039 --> 00:32:01,279
that maybe would say, but everyone
has laughed at. The New York Post

464
00:32:01,319 --> 00:32:05,000
would mock Fox News, wo run
a couple of numbered segments on it and

465
00:32:05,079 --> 00:32:07,680
make fun of it. Move on
the Five would talk about it. And

466
00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:13,519
now you see it from the ostensibly
moderate mayor of New York City, mayor

467
00:32:13,559 --> 00:32:15,480
of the world. You see it
not just in Europe, in the Netherlands,

468
00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:20,680
where they're forcing cattle farmers to cull
their hords or herds or shut down

469
00:32:20,759 --> 00:32:23,960
their business because they say that nitrogen
emitted by literal life and the food that

470
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:28,799
we eat is going to kill us
all with a global warming. And you're

471
00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:32,160
seeing it from the American moderates,
and people are just saying, Yeah,

472
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,920
we're gonna band pizza upns now no
more, We're not going to burn wood

473
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:42,000
anymore. These are these are stone
age technologies heat eat meat and cooking it

474
00:32:42,039 --> 00:32:45,960
with fire. But we're gonna get
rid of it because and so the what

475
00:32:45,759 --> 00:32:50,559
was wild, I'm not even gonna
get into the trans stuff is now so

476
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,839
normal that people just The New York
Post makes fun of it, Fox News

477
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,079
makes fun of it, The Daily
Color makes fun of it, The Federals

478
00:32:57,079 --> 00:33:00,640
makes fun of it, California does
it, and ten you're lighter law of

479
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the land, right right. It's
a rapid, rapid shift. And that's

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00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,240
where I think the Christopher Rays of
the world are so dangerous. Yeah,

481
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you know, let's say, for
the sake of argument, he is not

482
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:15,279
on that sort of level of weirdness
as James Comey. But he's just you

483
00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:17,200
know, this rubber stamp yes man. People aren't fighting back, they're not

484
00:33:17,319 --> 00:33:22,039
rolling back. If he is a
rubber stamp yes man, it's because he

485
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,559
fundamentally shares the worldview that so many
people in elite circles who don't send their

486
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,920
kids to the same school, don't
worship in the same places, aren't in

487
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:34,079
the proverbial bowling leagues or the modern
equivalent of that, with the so called

488
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,079
unwashed masses, that they are able
to sort of brush aside, cast aside

489
00:33:38,319 --> 00:33:42,160
the Trump. Anybody who voted for
Trump that they know in their life is

490
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,039
probably a wealthy Trump voter, and
probably they don't know many of those to

491
00:33:45,079 --> 00:33:50,759
begin with, but they really don't. They've probably read one of these books

492
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:57,720
or they listened to a podcast about
why rural disenfranchised people, Hispanics, whites

493
00:33:58,079 --> 00:34:02,720
are interested in Donald Trump, but
they don't fundamentally respect those people or see

494
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:08,679
their dignity because they don't spend time
immersed in the same communities with people around

495
00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:14,360
the country. You're just normal,
decent folks who have been screwed over by

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00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,280
the system, lied to by the
media, as we all have been over

497
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:21,480
and over again, and see Donald
Trump is the answer to that, and

498
00:34:21,519 --> 00:34:23,960
are good, fundamentally good people who
just happen to have a disagreement with them.

499
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,800
They don't see them that way.
Anymore because they're insulated from it.

500
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,679
Charles Murray writes about our transition to
super zips that you know, we don't

501
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:36,719
share the same spaces, we don't
share the same taste interests anymore, and

502
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,320
that is a change from earlier times
in American history. And when you have

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00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:45,199
powerful people isolated in those super zips, you're going to have exactly what we

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00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,639
see at the FBI right now.
It's it's like not just a class issue,

505
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:52,119
but it's now sort of been translated
into this Sorr'm already talked about that

506
00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:53,960
and responses Supreme Court. We'reing you
got attacked a lot in social media,

507
00:34:53,960 --> 00:35:00,119
but you actually read the articult super
interesting about how great we've gotten read of

508
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,320
the affirmative action thing. But we
haven't solved the problem of American colleges being

509
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:10,719
elite institutions at the higher levels that
produce basically elite bug eating warm people have

510
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:16,840
nothing to do with the normal.
And you know, Jeffersonian America classles America

511
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:22,119
is absolutely a gas at the society
that we've built. Ben I think Ben

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00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:28,719
wrote it. Had a good article
in the Spectator about earlier this week about

513
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,599
two viral moments from two America's Yes, I loved that. And one was

514
00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:36,719
the picture from Jimmy Kimmel's eight million
dollars Idaho fly fishing lunch, you know,

515
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,519
which is a pretty cool thing to
have. And then the picture I

516
00:35:39,519 --> 00:35:44,599
don't even know those people Jennifer Anderson, Jimmy Fallon, Courtney Cox and O

517
00:35:44,639 --> 00:35:47,119
those people, John Mulaney, Olivia
Munn, Adam Scott, Jason Bateman.

518
00:35:47,199 --> 00:35:52,400
Wasn't he an American psycho? Jason
Bateman? Patrick Bateman is the care Yes,

519
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:59,519
Shirley Applebee, a guy from snow
Patrol. Jake Tapper was there for

520
00:35:59,559 --> 00:36:01,639
some reason, Like it's like I'm
going fly fishing in then Idaho. M'st

521
00:36:01,639 --> 00:36:06,159
to invite Jake Tapper. I mean
I could see inviting like according coxs mallivery

522
00:36:06,159 --> 00:36:08,440
amount of Jennifer Aniston, But I
don't know about the rest of those guys.

523
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:15,280
Uh. And then you compare that
to you know, Donald Trump at

524
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:20,840
their UFC fight. Oh that taking
pictures like Joe Rogan's there, guy like

525
00:36:21,679 --> 00:36:24,880
like Guy Fieri is like shaking hands
in the president. What's that awesome comedian

526
00:36:25,159 --> 00:36:29,400
who was there taking taking pictures of
them? Are good? Up? Bro?

527
00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:35,239
Uh, that's the tale of two
completely different Americas and the moral scorn.

528
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:40,840
Did that table of like unhappy wealthy
people has Yes, for all those

529
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:45,760
people who are an absolute blast at
UFC is wild. I want to know

530
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:51,199
if they actually fly fished at the
Idaho Lodge. Probably. I mean I

531
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:52,440
used to go on these trips and
I really had a good time on them,

532
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,320
where there's a lot of if you
have enough money, you can do

533
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:59,159
these awesome trips that are basically stimulated
manhood. Yes, yes, they're like

534
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:04,239
the Rutaporia. But fly fishing is
difficult. Yeah, I got But if

535
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:08,880
you had pretty bad fly fishing,
she probably has a like a property caretaker.

536
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,320
Who I hope someone warned, Oh
yeah, for sure. Yeah,

537
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,400
I hope someone war them because first
time I went fly fishing in Wyoming I've

538
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,039
been fly fishing, showed up in
like a bathing suit in a T shirts.

539
00:37:20,039 --> 00:37:22,920
So if she weared the beach not
again. All all my guys are

540
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,239
dressed like Tuskegee Sandman, Like,
just's not an ounce of skin showing.

541
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,679
Yeah, I'm like hey, and
like I like your style, dude.

542
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,800
And I didn't have bold move,
I didn't have the right glasses. I

543
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:35,679
can see through the water yeah,
so I'm just I'm just looking at broad

544
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,440
reflection. I got hooked by Alex
Pappas like five times. I got zero

545
00:37:39,519 --> 00:37:44,760
fish and I got sun poison name
so bad that I was like under a

546
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,559
hot water shaking with cold and dry
heaving in the shower, and no one

547
00:37:47,559 --> 00:37:51,400
believed I was sick because I wasn't
complaining. I was like, I'm gonna

548
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,199
skip the guys drunk again. They
dragged me out to dinner, and they

549
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,719
only realized when you went to the
million dollar cowboy bar afterwards, and I

550
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,559
didn't even order a beer. I
just sat there. They're like, oh,

551
00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:02,840
man, Bedford must be ill.
So if you do, go fly

552
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:07,800
fishing at Jimmy Kimel's lodge, dress
appropriately, get the right sunglasses. We

553
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,920
hope you're listening, Olivia Month.
And in fact we know you're listening because

554
00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:16,000
something tells me when you think Olivia
Moun, you think conservative podcasts, Well

555
00:38:16,159 --> 00:38:19,760
she turns in for a Bedford Day. Yeah, well, oh that's right

556
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,880
she does. In fact, I
think she sometimes drops us a line at

557
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:27,239
radio at the Federalist dot com and
says, this is Olivia Month. Really

558
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:32,159
enjoyed Chris Bedford's recent appearance no,
no, tell him to keep being him,

559
00:38:32,199 --> 00:38:35,679
never gonna stop. Let Chris be
Chris. All right, well,

560
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,559
Chris, thank you so much for
joining us. You can read Chris's article

561
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:45,079
over at the Telegraph, and you
can follow his work at the Common Sense

562
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:49,079
Society sub stack, where he's the
executive editor. Absolutely all right. Well,

563
00:38:49,079 --> 00:38:52,079
you've been listening to another edition of
the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emilija

564
00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:54,119
Shinski, culture editor here at the
Federalist. We'll be back soon with more.

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Until then, people lovers of freedom
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