All right, welcome back to the Ken Matthews Report. My pleasure to have
Jay Dyer on. Jay is an author, comedian, TV presenter known for
his deep analysis of Hollywood, geopolitics, culture. I see your graduate work
focused on psychology psychological warfare, which I'm totally into every parent is UH film.
And I see you're the author of two books. Of course, we
have them both here. I finished the first. I'm starting the second,
UH Esoteric. I's old. There's a third book now, so I need
there is. Yeah, I got a big fat philosophy book that's out.
So cool. You're co creator and co host of the television show Hollywood Decoded.
You've been featured on numerous popular shows and podcasts. Yeah, I've seen
you all over the all over the UH the interweb system, and you've debated
with some of the top debaters, and I those are pretty interesting too,
because there's a lot a lot of MUZZLM debates in the last five years.
That was I would imagine new domain to step into there with Islam. I
grew up doing a lot of debates because I was in the philosophy club and
debate club and all that in college. So I have a long history of
debate. But I had some friends that were really into debating with Muslims and
they kind of got me into that in about twenty eighteen. So that's been
an interesting track. I didn't really know you know much about Islam, So
you deep dive by muslim and what are some of the things you debate.
Are you debating the tenets of various religions or belief systems or Americanism? What
are you debating? Well, it started with when I got into more of
the geopolitical stuff back in undergrad. I was reading some of the texts that
dealt with understanding nine to eleven, understanding Islamic world views, and so forth.
So I was looking at Islam at that time from a geopolitical perspective,
and I got really interested in the history of British intelligence and their tendency to
work with various Islamic radical sex and tribes, going all the way back to
philby Philby senior into T. E. Lawrence and people like that. So
I read a lot of books on the Muslim brotherhood historically speaking. So I
didn't really have an interest in Islamic theology. But about twenty eighteen, I
had some friends that were debating Muslim theology, the Kuran and so forth,
it what it claims, and so I just moved into that. I got
pretty pretty interested in I'm not at all an Islamic expert. It's a there's
a lot more to Islam than people think, you know, getting into it,
it's it's a pretty dense subject matter because they have not just the Quran,
but they have all these hot deaths, which is all oral traditions and
so forth that they try to suss out. So so yeah, so we
started with the interest in the geopolitical stuff, and then I got more and
more into debating it from an orthodox Christian perspective and opposing opposing Muslims from that
vantage point. Well, regarding your book, again, I can't say enough
good things about it. Because Jay and I were talking earlier. My audience
knows this. I'm a bookaholic, I'm a read a holic, and I
get gifts from my audience, my subscribers all the time. Just check this
book out, check this book out, check this book out. And I
have this thing where if I give someone a book and they don't read it,
I get ticked off. I don't know about you, but if I
go to the if I take the time to buy a book for my son
or my neighbor, and then two years later it's all dusty and daye.
You ever read that book I gave you about whatever? Hollywood or Biden?
And no, I didn't have time. I was busy being brainwatched whatever.
But this one is this is so good I find even though this is what
this is probably seven or eight years old, isn't it this one twenty sixteen?
I think, yeah, okay. So the reason I like it is
because it's so relevant to where we are today with all this this pre programming,
you know, that we're doing with Hollywood, the sort of conditioning and
right sometimes people call it predictive programming, which is kind of warming people up
to where they want to take us through, you know, through fiction and
the stuff I found most fascinating in here. And then for the audience,
we'll get out of the book. But I just wanted to mention that if
your this is your cup of tea, guys, this whole juxtapositioning of H.
G. Wells and you know nineteen eighty four, Hawksley and or Well
all these different people had a different spin, but they were all trying to
set the stage for something very unpleasant for us all, and you can't help.
But wonder, as you have mentioned before, and we know this,
the government is so in bed with Hollywood and publishing and news and information.
And that's I think two things happened. We get dumbed down, we get
normalized to whatever it may be, fake aliens, fake vaccine, fake virus,
whatever. So tell us a little bit about your background. How you
ended up being I mean, this is an interesting job you have. You
tie in comedy. Is that because you're a smart ass like I am?
Or Yes, I was a class clown in high school, so I won
the superlative of class clown, so I was always joking around. And back
in high school, I was known for impression, so I would always impersonate
the teachers, and everybody thought that was funny. And it's just something I've
always had with me. I did do a little stand up when I was
eighteen nineteen, just experimenting with it. I decided that's not the route I
wanted to go at that time, so I went to college for At first
it was religious studies and then I switched over to philosophy. But when I
was at undergrad, I was really interested in and a lot of what I
was seeing on the internet with regard to documentaries coming out that were kind of
questioning nine to eleven and questioning big events. And so I started reading more
and more about the history of secret societies, the history of espionage in the
United States, and I just really fell in love with those subjects. And
so I took film classes at the same time, and I was noticing that
while I had these multiple various interests, they were all kind of tying together
unexpectedly because I had one class called I think it was called Hollywood History,
and we did a deep dive into all of Oliver Stone's basically in a whole
semester on Oliverstone. And so I was comparing what Stone had in the films
to, you know, our best record of the history in these various cases,
even films obscure ones like Nixon. Most people don't think about Oliverstone and
his Nixon. Everybody thinks of JFK and so forth. But so I got
deeper into JFK stuff at that time and was really noticing that there's a pattern,
not just a conspiracy, but maybe there's more going on with how fiction
portrays historical events, and there might be an agenda behind some of those portrayals.
Now I'm not saying that necessarily Olivers himself has worked for the government.
I'm not saying no. I'm just saying that I was encountering some of the
academic literature talking about films used as propaganda. And you know, I was
in my twenties at the time, twenty four to twenty five, and I'd
never heard this. I thought I grew up as a movie buff, loving
you know, Martin Scorsese movies, loving you know, Richard Donner movies.
And I remember watching mel Gibson's Conspiracy Theory back when it came out in the
nineteen nineties. I thought it was fun. But then I started to thinking,
well, what if there's actually something that's true in there. Maybe mel
Gibson's character isn't just a satire, you know, maybe he's actually talking about
some true things. So I went deeper into that subject matter of the relationship
between the intelligence as he has been gone in Hollywood, and I think in
the two thousands. At that point, I was only able to find maybe
two or three books. There was a Operation Hollywood, which is a collection
of essays on the Pentagon basically telling studios at times what they want in there
for pro war propaganda something like that. And there was another book that Tricia
Jenkins had put out CIA in Hollywood from University of Texas Press, and you
know, those were okay, they were good kind of introductory sort of overviews.
But I got really fascinated with this and I wanted to know the history
of it, Like what who came up with this idea of, hey,
let's use the studios. And I think that it really the earliest days of
the camera, you know, the pretty pretty quick, uh, pretty pretty
soon after the invention of the camera, people figured out that this would be
great for propaganda. We got to use this. Oh yeah, and that's
what happened. You know, you got even from the earliest days of the
studios when they're set up War one exactly one. And what is the movie
that just came out, well, not just came out, came out a
couple of years ago. I forget the name about Hollywood at the turnblon.
Yes, did you see it? I did? Yeah? Actually I liked
it as well. I thought it was brilliant and I think that's one of
the few in my opinion, that's one of the few mainstream films because if
you look at the actors and the actresses in it, I mean, it
was it was real. I just thought it was tight. It was over
the top. It was dark, very dark. But it's one of the
few. I mean, if you look at Eyes, White Shut some of
the other ones, but Avalon was one of the few that really went deep
and dark about Hey, you know you're gonna go to Hollywood, You're gonna
get chewed up and spit out because Hollywood is not about entertainment. It's about
moving people's opinion. It's about getting people to do what we need them to
do. Maybe one week it's by this kind of soap, or maybe next
week it's bottom the living hell out of Afghanistan. That's why they're there.
Yeah, well said, I mean, I think that's the essence of the
great thing about that movie was the one of the points of the movie is
what people think Hollywood is and why they come here. That's actually a movie.
Like your idea of it is that it's going to be like a movie,
and I'll move there and and what we find is just like in Babylon
other films as well, I think, you know, David Lynch's Mahon Drive
kind of has this theme too, where yeah, the Naomi Watts character,
you know, she wins some contest and she moves to Hollywood. She thinks
she's going to be the next you know, Ava Gardener or whatever, and
she ends up a crack whar uh And that's part of the point of that
film, right, So again, very perceptive. I totally agree with what
you said there, and really, yeah, that's the point here. What
we think of Hollywood is is it's a fiction. It's not what it is.
What it is is this machine, and it's not just a machine that's
based around greed and wealth, you know, it's actually based around, like
you said, think other things too, like prop again and perhaps even darker,
more nefarious agendas. And so yeah, that that that scene with you
know, Toby I think's Toby mcgwah when they when they go into the underground.
I think it was very like at the end where it's like, what's
really going on in Hollywood is like underground, you know, like midget alligator
death parties that are going on. It's like, well, I don't know
what this is, but it looks terrible, like Ozzy Osbourne underneath the city
eating rats with midgets and stuff. Anyway, So yeah, I thought Babylon
was great. And this speaks to this classic attachment between Hollywood and Babylon,
right, the ancient empire Babylon. Yes, this is why, of course.
Uh, the prominent occultists Kenneth Anger, you know, when he wrote
his book Hollywood Babylon, he's calling it Babylon a purpose, and I think
it's kind of you know, it's it's had that that connection for a long
time, and that's I kind of see my books as like better, hopefully
better versions of Hollywood Babylon. I would I would agree, because I've read
that as well. I find yours very well researched. And uh, I,
like I said, because of what's happening today and because of our lives.
I'm a little older than you, probably a lot. I don't know
how old are you, but sixteen, just in my sweet sixteen. Yeah,
I just went through puberty. I'm twenty one, so I'm a little
bit older than you are. But I didn't mean to put you on the
spot like that. I don't care. I am fully clothed, by the
way, I do have shorts on, so sometimes I'm in my boxers when
I want to interview with it. But I started, you know, I
got my degrees in political science and communications to probably two of the most useless
degrees there are, well, you know what philosophy is close to, and
all those degrees you can use as place mats at a diner. You know.
Yeah, you don't know how many times I heard the joke like,
are the philosophy companies hiring? You know? It is funny, though it
is funny, and the irony is so came. I came from a conservative
family, blue collar. Both my parents had businesses. I grew up in
construction and ironically, my mother had an art gallery. My dad was in
painting and construction. So I had a very well rounded went to North Carolina
State, was studied pre law for one year. I realized that most lawyers
or whores, not all of them, but most are, and some are
actually crack horse, as you mentioned earlier, not even in Hollywood. Then
I decided, you know, I'll keep political science and media. I fell
in love with radio. I did just a brief stint in radio forty years
Wow, and ended up guest hosting for Rush Limbaugh. The last four years
of his life. And I've just had some very interesting exposure to I did
cable television for fifteen twenty years, and the thing I kept seeing was nobody's
following the Constitution. People that claim to be churches are not following the Bible.
People that claim to be documentarians are bs ers. This is a pattern
I started to see. Even in college. I started to see this pattern,
and and then I just became an information junkie. I started reading heavily,
also like you in my youth. But now more than ever, our
ignorance is it's strangling us. I mean, so many people are so far
behind, and many are not. They're not behind because they're bad people.
They're busy, and and media knows this. So when we look toward the
news, you know, Action News at six everything you need to know twenty
two minutes with fake traffic, fake weather, and you know of bullet points
from Washington. So now it's like, will we ever catch up? Will
people ever figure out? You know, yes, mock you know Project Mockingbird,
Blue Jay Real and k Ultra Real. Uh, you know, poisoning
our own troop, poisoning populations, all real everything that many of us were
talking about three years ago during COVID has happened repeatedly in America and around the
world. But because there's a lot of people that don't have the passion or
the time. Maybe they're busy building trucks, or their their truckers, or
they're physicists or working on something else. I'm just trying to figure out,
how do we get our country back? Do we get it back or is
it going to be forever changed because of all the misinformation. The misinformation is
so overwhelming. You go into a library, especially a high school library today
and the censorship is just abhorrent. You know. I went to my university
not too long ago, and I spent quite a bit of time down in
the basement of the library as I was a research assistant down there. When
I was in not the deep, deep basement, just not the underground based
where they not the sub basement where the midget these are eating alligators, remember
the alligator allat Now. I remember we had a great reference section down there,
and we had vast sections on the history of economics, espionage, religious
theological treatises down there. I would spend you know, many days down there,
and now going back there about ten years later, very recently, they
basically purged everything except a small section I kid you not of Marxist works.
So the public school or the university I attended, basically got rid of all
of their their it's a wealth of knowledge down there. Yeah, and it's
all purged down to a small section of Marxist stuff. So I don't think.
Yeah, it's terrifying when you when when it's like you no longer can
read Hobbes or Descartes and compare it to Marx Lenin, well, look at
look at mine. Comp that's one of the greatest examples of you can't even
find it anymore. And when you do, it's a censored version because the
governments, including our own, they still they still censor mind comp Why I
don't understand that. We know he was an evil dude, Let's read why
he was so evil? Yeah, there was even even at the time that
I was doing undergrad and grad school, it was kind of understood that you
needed access to those things, you know what I mean, to study them
from an academic perspective. So you know, we wanted to we wanted to
be able to read all of the dictators. When to be able to read
mal anybody. Yeah, but now it's sort of like again, it's all
been sort of whittled down to just a small amount of information that they want
you to have from specific you know, probably Frankfurt School. Marx is more
or less the Western CIA CIA version of Marxism, and I think that's by
design, because they have assumed and assessed that they're at the point now where
education is it's one percent total brainwashing. Now, in my view, public
schooling was always intended to be that. If you go back and read Horseman
and John Dewey, they actually said that the purpose long term of the public
schooling system would be the socialization of the child, not the education, so
not learning to become a critical thinker, but actually shutting down critical thinking and
turning you into a cog for the machine. And they actually say that that's
the when they come out and say that compliance is necessary. Yes, as
you transition from childhood to adulthood, that's where compliance is critical, because what
we don't want is a bunch of adults running around saying I'm not taking this
shot and I'm not supporting Ukraine exactly. Yeah, you can't have critical thinking.
And so they had to figure out all the various techniques to shut that
down. I just did the fourth Hour Ballox couple fridays back, and I
was handing Jones for people that don't know. Yeah, I was honing in
on that section in Bertrand Russell's classic text, Impact of Science on Society,
where he says that in the dystopia, we will be able to tell the
public that snow is black, two plus two is five, and anybody who
questions it or thinks otherwise will be considered a fringe weirdo. Yes, and
he says that will be the strength and power of our social engineering. It
will be so effective by that point that we'll be able to do that,
And that's where we are. People can say, well, you call it.
I'm a woman. I'm a woman right now. Right. Scientism is
just that you combine that scientism with elitism. And if you train people to
just believe experts and believe scientists, it doesn't matter what they say because they're
already trained. Look there's Obama. He's wearing a lab coat doing an Obamacare
commercial. He's he must be medically knowledgeable. I don't know what John's saying,
but look, my wife, my wife, why my Mike, Mike's
Mike's a budiful one. Okay, go on, Ken, those be fair
and so Ken, I think you nailed it right there, because Obama is
a great example of that gas lighting. I mean, there was a there
was a situation where you had people remember a few years ago, Rachel Dolizal
was saying that she was black, Yes, the white freckled girl with the
red hair, and everybody sort of made a big fuss about this, How
dare you try to say that you're But then men can say that they're women.
Women can say that they're men. And don't forget about Rachel. She
actually was in charge of a regional n double a CP. Yeah facility.
Yeah, that's the other thing. That's what And that's the weird thing is
that so you can't use your basic critical thinking skills for these kinds of things.
And I think even Bertrand Russell or Huxley they would have been surprised at
the ability to say, well, men are women and women are men,
right, I mean I think that would have even they would have thought,
was surely not that far. I would say that if you do go back,
if you were to go back, and I know you'd love to go
back and meet some of these authors, and if you said that, they
would think we're crazy. But we've been in a state of that for like
twenty years. For twenty years. Like I often talk about my late grandfather
who fought the Japanese in the Pacific wattlecanaw, et cetera. And I often
think, I said, he's not spinning in his great grave. He's like,
he can't he can't even yeah, he can't even grasp. Like first
it was open borders, Yeah, different restrooms, just the whole concept of
our military engaging in a mission with no AMMO. You could be at the
order. The guns are kind of scary, but don't know none in the
chamber, none of the gun Like being overrun. Watching that was heartbreaking last
week at al Paso, watching the National Guard with all their kit except what
they needed, just being overrun by the invaders. And if we said this
to somebody twenty or thirty years ago, they would have been that's not gonna
happen. So the fact that the fact that a Supreme Court justice says,
I'm not a biologist. I can't tell you what a woman is. We're
so far beyond I mean we have gone beyond your book were no exactly.
We already believe everything we see in the movies. The commercial people still believe
Joe Biden. Yeah, it's gotten way crazier than you know what. So
a lot of those essays I was writing in the two thousands, in the
twenty tens, and they are already dated now because we're into the dystopia.
I mean, the dystopia has rolled out the koof, as I call it.
That was actually a big phase of the rolling out of the dystopia,
I think. I mean, obviously this is a sort of a slow kill
Fabian socialist model where they roll it out really slow, but sometimes they'll roll
out a big thing that kind of speeds it up. And you know,
of course gay marriage was a big part of this, the push for that.
And then I know, for me in my mind, when Bruce Jenner
was Woman of the Year and I think twenty sixteen, for me, that
was like a huge It seems like things got even crazier after that because then
all the trend stuff exploded. They needed that seminal event of a major media
outlet proclaiming a man as the woman of the Year. I mean that for
me, was like full on, Okay, we flipped into we can tell
them to plus who's five now that we'll leave it. Oh yeah, because
you've taken. You've taken, like you illustrated so great in your first book
about when you compare Huxley and George Orwell, when when you look at Orwell's
kind of like, it's gonna be dystopian. It's gonna be dark. There's
gonna be like flat painted armor vehicles coming in the night and grabbing you.
And then Huxley brave new world is there's gonna be ai, there's gonna be
messaging everywhere, and you'll just willingly do it. You'll willingly. So what
I think is happening to the world is they combine the two so we have
the worst of both worlds. So if if Jay and Ken don't willingly say
that man's a woman, will just put him in prison if he doesn't.
Yeah, that's a great point because but you know, nineteen eighty four has
the hard, strong handed, heavy, you know, it's supposed to be
kind of stalinist. Oh yeah, it's dark and gray in prison and yeah,
and everybody's smoking like you know, generic Victory cigarettes and Victory gin there's
only one brand and it's really shitty. Uh So you can I interrupt for
a second. Do you do you follow Greg Greece? Yeah? Yeah,
you know he's in Moscow now right? You knew that? Right? He
messages me about being going to Rush. I didn't know. No, he
knew to Moscow. I didn't know. I didn't know that. Yeah,
he's been there for two months and he's doing his podcast and everything. Oh,
he lives in my He just meant he was visiting. I don't know.
You know, I thought I thought the same thing. Okay, Yeah,
And for people who don't know, Greg is one of the journalists and
posts on Alex Jones and Jay is on Alex Jones and a lot of people
have a love hate relationship with Alex Jones. But then a lot of people
have a love hate relationship with the truth. It's kind of like, I'm
really uncomfortable with this guy or I'm uncomfortable with that human trafficking truth. So
I'm just gonna block it out. Well, whatever, unbelievable, folks we
have, We have stacks and stacks of news unbelievable. Yeah, so you
know the funny thing about that frogs are gay I've listen and Alex since two
thousand and three. He was a big part of, you know, getting
me interested in a lot a lot of these uh you know, more esoteric
topics and related relationships. Ask you and I. I remember the first thing
I saw from Alex in two thousand and three was a clip of him talking
about how the CIA and OSS recruited out of skull and Bones, and I
was like, Yes, what's the skull and bones things I got to see?
I went read Sutton's book on skull and Bones and that was a big,
you know, key turning point. So I've always been an Alex fan
for many, many years. And what's funny about the way media works.
You probably know this, you're a veteran of media, but like, you
can get ninety five percent of things right, yep, be spot on with
all of your calls, and then if you get one thing wrong, that's
forever gonna supposedly try They're going to use that to try to destroy it.
So you get one one thing wrong, get one detail wrong, you're the
worst person in the world, even though you've called ninety five percent of things
you know spot on. So and he's very well researched. I mean,
that guy's gonna read a haulic and you know and again that this is gonna
I'm sure some people are being triggered. So if you're a middle aged,
white woke man and you're being true, just hug yourself. Hug yourself.
Or if you can find about a biological woman that wants to hug you in
your triggered state, but or just say you're a woman for a minute and
then hugg exactly exactly. Just date yourself if you happy to hear yourself for
a minute, to calm down, because for example, I remember hearing all
the people trashing Alex's book, and I think, of all the books he's
written, this is his best. It is you could take this book.
We mentioned this before the show for people watching. You could take that book.
And I bought that book the day it came out, and I read
it and I reviewed it, and so many people have read it and like
had their kids read it. Because if you take Alex Jones off the cover,
it's just it's written like a great history orian's book and with there's no
hype, there's no and it's all factual. Do you think Alex Jones is
gonna risk writing a book at this point in his career where anything is wrong
in it, you think it's gonna risk thirty eight billion more dollars. That's
the funniest thing. The people that have been labeled as extremist or podcasters or
all journalist like we would be citizen journalist. Altern We go to greater lengths
because I don't have an NBC News announcer exactly behind me, don't. I
don't have marketing, incredible and digital stuff. If if I'm a liar,
I'm done. Yeah, someone just does. This guy's a liar. I'm
not paying for him. He's an idiot. I'm not reading that book.
But if you're telling the truth, you're gonna keep getting out there. But
it's truly, it's truly a battle. Yeah, we have a higher standard,
and we saw that. We you know, put ourselves under a higher
stand because we're competing against that. That's actually our strongest weapon. Right.
The whole system is based around and cocting and maintaining completely flimsy narratives, so
they have a lot more work to do. It takes all of that money,
all of that deception, all of that mass media glitz and glam to
prop up what are basically lies. So we have an advantage in that we
don't even have to do all of that. We can just keep hearing at
the truth and that gets us much further than them. That's why, you
know, the mainstream media is dying, the legacy media, you know,
down they can't get viewership, and they just keep doubling down, and so
it's really they're eventually gonna have to figure out that they're gonna have to cave
to the truth some to even get any viewers at all. So I'm kind
of surprised that they haven't brought on some you know, better pundits. But
it's so it's so locked down, and they're so so it lies that they
just have to They always double down. They don't even they don't fudge at
all. Yeah, the leftists in particular, they never they never know when
to stop. So, like you say to them, look, you can't
have a six foot four, sweaty guy with a junk hanging out in a
skirt telling for you know, fourth graders at the library. This is not
a thing. This is not a normal thing. It's if I did that
at the park, I'd be in cuffs. You can't do you can't do
that. So rather than them saying, oh, maybe we maybe we over
extended a little bit, we're out in front of our skis, let's pull
back. No, no, screw you. Yeah, we don't want to
buy into this. Will will destroy you. And it's like, wow,
you guys are making a mistake, because what's happening now is most people believe
twenty twenty was stolen because so much fact is coming out. Most people believe
jan six falls flag. Absolutely no. The whole world knows that the the
Whitmer kidnapping thing was now stage. So it's like you guys were so busy
trying to say penis equals vagina, penis equals vagina that all the other stuff
you do on a regular basis, like steal votes, rig the stock market,
sink the dollar. You know. Now we're like, this seems very
normal. Now. I think you are doing this stuff because you keep saying
that my daughter should compete against the boy because he's wearing a girl swimsuit.
Now I'm starting to believe and I think I think that's why people are flocking
to Trump now. I mean Trump is the most diverse base ever. Yeah,
it's crazy. And I think you nailed it there because I noticed even
in a lot of people I know with family members that were still kind of
hanging on to elements of the system. Once they went after everybody's kids and
once the kof happened in the lockdowns, that woke up a lot of people,
right, I mean a lot of people were like, wait a minute,
they actually want to chop off junk of my kids. They're like that,
it's that crazy. And hey, maybe those conspiracy theorists were right,
you know what I mean. Like I put a meme. I put them
a meme yesterday and it was basically just a list of like fifteen things that
the journalists were saying versus what the conspiracy There's everything that the conspiracy theorists were
saying was absolutely spot on. So yeah, I think anybody has a memory
too that's not restricted the last two weeks. I remember, and I was
never a Democrat, but I remember back in the two thousands, even in
the nineties and the two thousands, it was a Democrat talking point to have
a border. Yes, they were all about this, always talking about it.
I remember clips of Bill Clint We've got to have that border. Yeah,
we got shut. We got to close that border, and that was
because of they pandering, I mean, oh yeah, claiming to care about
the workers. They didn't want the you know, wages to be driven down.
They don't want to have a damage to their working class base. It's
bizarre that now that's flipped to yeah, you've got Biden up there. You
know, there's no problem with the border. Uh, it's just open.
It's I mean this to me, this is crazy and it's actually obvious,
like this is a strategy to actually destroy the country. Oh yeah, well
no it's yeah, it is. It's an invasion, it's being that's what
it is by definition. People think they still and a lot of the Conservatives
are still stuck in this mindset of well, it's incompetence, the government's run.
No, it's not in confidence. It makes perfect sense if this is
a strategy. Okay, that makes more. That's a better explanation, has
explanatory power, whereas everything being just total government and competence, that's not that
to me, that doesn't make sense. But I I think that's the hardest
narrative two process or the hardest truth. And well, I want to ask
you dig deeper into some of this truth stuff. But to me, the
hardest truth is most of what happens is intentional. It's not coincidence. And
when something horrible happens, chances are there were people on the inside helping it
to happen, whether it's the fentanyl coming over the border because so many people
are getting the cut of that, or the child trafficking, which again,
what did the what did the blow hard GOP establishment tell us at the beginning
of the year, We're gonna we're going to expose the January sixth tapes.
No you're not. You have it. We're gonna let we're gonna find out,
We're gonna show you who was on the Epstein list. No, you
have it. We're gonna make sure we never have another stolen election. No,
this one's gonna be the worst because you're now making it illegal to call
out people that steal the election. So it's to me it's the hardest thing
when you mentioned because people are so programmed to say, oh, you're not
one of those, You're not one of those Alex Jones. You're not.
Oh Ken, I thought I thought better of you. Are you a conspiracy
theorist? You really think that big pharma wants to put a needle in every
arm and make a seventy eight billion dollar profit. Yes, I do.
Yeah. You know, so many of the things that people were saying back
in the eighties and nineties that were very small in number, John Birch society
type people, they were really way ahead of their time. I don't think
they got everything right. They got some things wrong, but the overall ideas
of what they were saying back in the day they were born out vindicated.
You know, what Alex started saying in the nineties and the two thousands has
been born out vindicated, and everybody was always the essence of what was being
said was that there is a shadow national security state, secret government. It's
kind of in the open. It's not secret in the sense of like nobody
knows who's running this. No, we know who the you know CFR is,
we know who the Trial Latoral Commission is, right, but they're not
publicly the ones like telling everybody on the news what we're going to do as
foreign policy. They're telling the politicians what to do, and the politicians then
play this game. And so you know, I don't know if you saw
that New York Times thing, the other day, which is completely ridiculous.
Their video explaining what the deep state is. Oh, this is so funny,
right, the TeleVideo is like, there is a deep state, and
actually it's pretty awesome. And then they go and they explain the deep state,
and it's like a trecky nerd, right, this boomer who's a trucky
nerd. It's like space Force. And then there's this other woman who's a
bureaucrat who's like going after I don't know, the tap water to fix the
tap water. And she does pilates and so it's like, oh, look,
it's just farmless bureaucrats. It's fat office women. That's the that's the
deep state. No, the deep state is always everybody's been saying since Peter
Dale Scott coined that term, that it's a national security breakaway shadow government.
That's the deep state, not fat bureaucrats in offices, and it's not people
that run that run the local grocery stores, people that can send a team
to your home to arrest you, Roger Stone or whatever. The deep The
deep state is smart, powerful elite people that know as long as they control
the storyline, they're going to get more power, more wealth. Yeah,
and that crosses you know. I always say the one time that Democrats and
Republicans get along is when their power or wealth is threatened. Then their buddies.
Then they're bipartisan. They're living their elbow bumping tim you know, Mike
Pence is a great example of that. Yeah, I got a great I
got a good I just came across this book looking at We were talking earlier
about footnotes, and I found a great footnote of this really obscure former British
intelligence guy wrote a book. His name is James Rushbridger. It's called The
Intelligence Game. Oh nice, it's a great book. What he says in
here is he says, look, I was, you know, working in
British Secret Service for many years. He wrote this, I think in nineteen
eighty nine. So this is prior to you know, a lot of events,
you know, the Big Nine events, so forth. Well that's more
of Russia, right before the Soviet Union collapsed exactly. He says. This
is something that's been so born out and I've heard a lot of really perceptive
analysts say this. Patrick Henningson has said this, Alex has said this.
He says in the first chapter he says, if you want to understand the
intelligence game, he says, a lot of the major intelligence failures are actually
the biggest successes for the intelligence agencies, he says, because all that does
is allow the deep state to say, oh, sorry, we messed up.
We oops, we let you know the towers come down, let's get
get a few more billion in funding, and we'll do much better next time.
And also let us surveil everything. So he was calling that out in
the nineteen eighties. And by the way, I think the story is,
I don't know this is the case, but he wrote a book about Pearl
Harbor being a false flag, and mister Rushbridger wasn't alive much longer after that,
So well, that doesn't surprise me at all. We just had that
Boeing whistleblower. And that's the other part of you can always tell Jay who
reads history and who does her research, because when you say something like you
just said, I wasn't like, oh, come on, they don't kill
authors. They're not going to keep they're not going to keep wiki leaks.
Dude, Julian Assange locked up for ten years until if they're whistle blowers,
that's a little that's a that's a higher tier. Right, Oh yeah they're
dead then yeah, me or you we're just kind of goofballs on the internet.
We're talking, you know, we're on the media, we're pundits.
But if you're a person who's a whistleblower, that's a lot more. You
know, well, if you start moving the needle. Because I look at
like Cheryl Atkinson, she really loved the Neil at CBS with Fast and Furious,
and the Obama administration reached out as they always did and said you better
stought that and they do it and then and they were going to frame her
husband with porn online porn. She said that in front of Congress. You
look at Catherine Herridge, most just recently fired from CBS, right, she
was at Fox. She went to CBS and then they took all her stuff
on Jay six and then they gave it back to her five days later.
So when you the minute, the closer you get to the truth, I
think that's where you become a target. And I have one of my shirts
says tell the truth, become a target. It has a big like scope
target on it, and that's the truth. It is when you if once
you start someone picks it up and goes, holy crap, how does this
guy finding this stuff out? Where is he learning this? You know,
is he going to be a problem? Is this? Is this Boeing whistleblower.
By the way, the CEO Boeing resigned yesterday. Did you see that?
No it didn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's something
about the doors just being sucked off the aircraft in flight that really gives Boeing,
you know, Unfortunately the whistleblower being dead. Yeah, the whistleblower being
dead a few days later. I mean, that would have been a dream
story for them if he actually got sucked out of the plane, but he
didn't. Yeah, it's just it's so weird to be you know, ironically,
going back to the beginning of the conversation, now, I feel like
we do live in a movie, you know what I mean. It's like
we're in this weird dystopian story. It is The Truman Show. It's like
an art house film. We live in this weird art house film. It's
a dystopia and like, yes, you know there's this yeah craziness. There's
a book called The Wanting Seed. You know Burgess who wrote Clarckord Orange she
wrote another dystopia that few people know about called Wanting Seed, and in that
dystopia, kid you not everybody. It's a mandatory gay dystopia, so everyone
has to be gay in the future. He's probably playing on the fact that
in Brave New World Huxley had everybody have you have to have mandatory intimacy.
So if if there are people coming up to you and say, ken,
I'm in the mood today, I want intimacy, you must oblige. In
the Brave New World a topia, So I'm guessing that perfect world for the
Biden family. Though exactly right, you think about it, so, I
mean, people think about ewetch shut and it's like, what if the whole
society is a giant? Iwead shut, But you have to have intimacy with
everybody. Oh wow. Other things too that were that I didn't notice until
recently reviewing Brave New World is that there's also a pedo element to Brave New
World that I that I had missed the first time I read it many years
ago. The world Socialists controller Mustapha mind. He's pictured at the end of
chapter two or three as a kind of a christ like figure, where he
says let the even sites, let the children come unto me from the Gospels.
But the context is that he's talking about the playtime that they have,
the intimacy that they have. Wow. Yeah, So Hawksley was actually saying,
you're not just going to have a sexual revolution type of future, which
by the way, he wrote that thirty years but for the sixties, which
is amazing. I mean, when you think about his intellect, I mean,
go ahead. I mean that's why he's also saying it's going to be
a sexually like everything goes no boundaries, exactly none. And that's the other
thing when you when you read some of this CIA documentation and stuff, and
there's so much stuff out there written by FBI people and CIA people and people
that were mk ultrade, and there's so much cross referencing available. That's the
thing that drives me crazy. It's not like there's one it's a one off.
There's just like one book that Jay wrote, and you know, Alex
wrote a book, and Huxley wrote a book. One book. That's it.
That's all you have to go on. Ken No, I've got thirteen
books on COVID nineteen. I started getting the books and doing the research in
the spring of twenty twenty, I started building this library of the audio and
the documentation of all these doctors that have now come out repeatedly, including the
latest documentary, which is Brilliant, which is free, it's on Vimeo.
But and and it's not a one off, like like I forget the guy's
name that the Satanist who he used to work at the presidio. He was
an ENTA, thank you. See, I know you would know that,
But I mean, he's not one off. There's a whole bunch of Satanists
in the military today, and we facilitate them the same way we facilitate you
know, the the lieutenant or whatever his rank is in the Air Force,
that's a that's a guy in drag and he goes around and he gives speeches
about how we need to be more sensitive as a as a military. Yeah.
I was thinking about that. Like back in the Cold War, if
you think about the Cambridge aspiring, they were all compromised and blackmail because they
were gay, right yep. And I was thinking like, well, I
guess the one advantage of all of the military establishment, you know, brass
being trands, is that they can't be blackmail like you know, they're totally
degenerate. I mean, you get blackmails somebody, they're totally degenerated, right,
So that's the only advantage of that. But now I think it's crazy.
It's intended in my view, it's an intended demoralization to have those kinds
of things going on. Right, So when we look at you know,
our supposed leaders and their complete buffoons like you know, Biden or these military
brass and so forth, being wearing you know, costumes, I mean,
it's just a demoralizing thing. So it's a to me, it's a sy
op. And you were mentioning earlier various programs in cult is a classic m
Culture is the ultimate, like you know, studying the inner world to master
the mind, I think, for the purpose of mass formation, psychosist type
stuff, to apply it to the to the collective. But you can actually
read them in culture. Doctor's books are still out there people. Yeah,
but doctor Jose Dolgado's Physical Control of the Mind. You can still buy that
book on Amazon. You can buy the writings of doctor John C. Lilly,
the freak who had a crush on dolphins and would put you know,
the LSD and the dolphins food. He would put chips in the dolphins' brains.
I mean, guys mad science basically. But he's well known. And
it's interesting because what you bring up now is what so many of these puppets
protests. They're going to show up and say, you know, don't don't
kill the beef. We shouldn't be eating beef. Don't kill the beef,
don't kill it. And they're working for the people who are like basically you
know, taking chips in the dolphins brains or or you know, uh,
they would bring over in Operation paper Clip. They brought over all these Nazis
And what did the Americans say, Well, we're going to change your name
and we'll put you up. Don't worry. But hey, how did you
figure out how how you know, yes, jet pilots can drink salt water?
Well, here's how, here's how we did it. Well, they
can't, but we kill a lot of people. We learned the hard way.
But we did find this out that you can hang a guy upside down
on the freezer and he'll last two and a half hours longer. How'd you
find that out? Well, we had a bunch of people to experiment on.
You want to see the results. Yeah, And no one even talks
about that. They're busy saying you and I are misgendering somebody. And to
get to this point, so many people had to be tortured. I mean,
I definitely want to have you on again mental note in the future,
because there's so much to talk about, like the whole HIV thing, you
know, the whole I did, all this stuff that had so much of
the government's fingerprints on it. When you think about that, how poorly some
of it worked out, and then you go back and realize they recycle the
same people. Yeah, I watched a mini documentary on that the other day.
Who's the woman? Her name escapes me? But it wasn't actually Auci
that was running all of this. Fauci perfect. Yes, doctor Bird,
Her and Fauci come from the old Act. They were right in the middle
of that. They were right in the middle. And you can find bootleg
videos either on TikTok or rumble. You can find videos where people were confronting
Fauci about the AIGE thing. Yes, there were parents showing up and saying
you killed my son. He didn't even need that. He could he could
have went to South America or whatever and gotten whatever that day's Ivermectin was right,
because what did they do when people said, oh, I think I
know what's happening here, whether they were in the Congo or South America,
I think I know what's happening. We can treat this with this and this,
And it was the government that said, no, you need to take
what was the age thing, a z T or you need to take this,
just like you need to take remdes. That's the protocol, and that's
the only way we're going to get rich. You need to be ventilated.
I don't need to be ventilated and I breathing. Fine, No you're not,
Yeah exactly, you know, yeah, that that's even though Fauci is
not quote mk Ultra, it's basically the same type of math science approach that
the mk ulture doctors were engaged in, which, as you pointed out,
it's a perfect mirror of what you see Mangola and these other you know,
Nazi scientists engaged in. They had a very eugenics based view, so they
didn't see any problem with experimenting on humans, and so that same model is
moved or accepted as well, as you pointed out with paper clip, where
they didn't just want some of the the you know, bad guys to come
over. They actually wanted access to their their findings, their research as well
as a lot of people don't know this. You probably do, but this
ties it into the Ukraine. A lot of people don't know that. When
the OSS took over Galen's network, Galen Worry, that's Righthard Galen. They
wanted his whole spy network throughout Europe because he was a very capable spy handler,
spy chief. So they gave him a deal. They said, we'll
let you have some freedom, but we want all of your spy network and
your trained cells and operatives. This is partly why there is still a pro
Western funding and support for the Neo Nazis in the Ukraine. That goes back
to Galen's network. Now, didn't he train people in Canada as well?
Yeah, that's what I thought. He trained. I don't know if he
was on the super Soldier thing, but he trained people in like this really
radical, unorthodox combat and today there's a lot of that. Ian Fleming was
involved in some of that too, where they would train people it's called the
ex Brigade or something like that, like the X twenty two or something.
Like that. So yeah, they were. They were experimenting because the British
Coordination Office of Black Ops was working with the OPC, which was the OSS's
Coordination of Black Ops. It's British intelligence set up the OSS. I mean
they came over here, they told us how to do it, so they're
all, yeah, we're all working together. So when they took over that
network, they wanted to utilize all these different, you know, experiments that
the Nazis had engaged in. Absolutely. I mean that you look at the
time limit and for people watching now you know why I'm a fan of Jay's
but you also know why we love history so much because it's it's not only
all connected, but you look at that period in America immediately after World War
Two into the mid fifties, and you look at the transitional pieces of history
and how the chess board totally got upended. I mean the chess board in
nineteen forty five, you know, after we after Germany surrenders, after I
forget the Japanese leader's name, but after he surrendered all and then all of
a sudden, the chessboard changes and the most unlikely partnership start, and the
most horrific people are, and there were already some. But I tend to
believe that early in our the development of our country, it wasn't as bad
until people got a taste of global power. And then when they started sitting
down with this leader and that dictator and this terrorist, they thought, wow,
I can control that whole continent. You mean I could. I could
be a billionaire forever. Yeah. All you got to do is sell out
your people. Yeah. And by the way, I remember too, the
it was it's T Force that was the thirty Assault Unit. Was Ian Fleming's
aid and it wasn't X Force. I was thinking of this stupid comic book,
but it was. It was T Force was his experimental special ops thing.
But yeah, I think the dictators are interesting because when we read Sutton
and Quigley, we find out that a lot of these dictators are actually propped
up by the West. Yes, and they have funding and support from the
West, and that was because the powerly saw an opening to have two world
wars. According to Quiggley, that would exhaust and deplete the two rivals of
the of the Western power block. So by having those two roles, two
world wars, and this explains if you read quickly in that middle theer's a
middle chapter where he talks about the appeasement program and he talks about I think
he says two billion dollars given I think with the Bank of England to Hitler
secretly. So there's a sequel for people that don't know that we're talking about
yesterday. So there's a chapter called the Appeasement Plan, uh, and there's
there's a there's a section where it talks about the two billion dollars given to
Hitler when the British government was publicly opposing Hitler m hm, but the Bank
of England secretly was still funding what he was doing and they were saying,
hey, when you go into Poland, we won't oppose you. Go ahead.
And that was horrific as as my ancestors are Polish and Hungarian, so
I was like, are you kidding me? And Tom Clancy kind of fulfilled
that role of Ian Fleming in the next generation. That's a great point,
the next iteration of in particular submarine technology, surveillance, space technology. I
mean, look at look at the books, and many people think he was
involved in, you know, consulting. Yeah, I think that's pretty well
born out. A lot of these these spy writers do have a not everybody
obviously, but a lot of them have a background in some kind of intelligence
and military intelligence work, and then they take those worries and put it into
fiction. That goes back to Actually, this is kind of what I wrote
my some of my grad work on was the history of British intelligence using fiction,
originally perhaps as ways to just tell their stories, but also as ways
to do propaganda. So, yeah, you mentioned it went back as far
as like the seventeen eighteen hundreds. In the case of Writz, you could
find I mean, I don't know, I mean you could argue that maybe
you know, you've got people like John Dee who are spies back under Elizabeth.
You know, he's the first Double O seven doctor John d the Occultist.
But yeah, I think in terms of British spy fiction, we see
this with Joseph Conrad, we see this with Graham Green, where they're basically
kind of putting their stories into fiction. But I think what happens is that
eventually it really becomes more useful as propaganda. So I'm not sure exactly what
date it would be. I mean, there's no hard line as so here's
the point where it becomes propaganda. But right, but that, But that's
because at the same time as the British spy fiction writers were putting out their
stories that you had AHG. Wells basically as kind of the Burnees. Before
Burns, he was writing fiction as propaganda, know England. So perhaps maybe
Wells is the first version of this, and he's realizing as he works with
things like Wellington House, which is the predecessor to Tavistock, he's realizing that
fiction is a lot more effective for propaganda masses than the fact media is.
So that's why War of the World's everybody knows War of the worlds, but
nobody knows H. G. Wells's two New World Order books, Right,
he's got to right, Yeah, those will knock you right on your butt
when you hear. When you hear the way HG. Wells thinks about you
and about God and about Christianity and about freedom, you're going to be pissed.
Yeah, he's a he's not a big fan. Yeah. He believes
that the future technocratic government will be able to create a fake religion that's really
just a front for the technocratic establishment. So it'll be whatever kind of religion,
you know, basically mixes all the world world's population into one belief,
some kind of synchrotist New Age thing. Who knows, but that seems to
be what he talks about, because he has a really obscure book called God
the Invisible King, if you know about I think he wrote it in the
early nineteen twenty eight, nineteen eighteen somewhere in there. But that's his thesis
on religion. And he says that you might think I'm an atheist because I'm
such a committed Marxist, and he says I'm not. He says, I
believe in a future Luciferian type of government in order, so he admits he's
a Luciferian. He doesn't say that he believes in an actual entity, but
he kind of sees it as a Promethean thing where man worships himself. So
perhaps he thinks of Prometheus as this symbolic figure or Lucifers. That's that whole,
that's that whole of what is it God of John or God of whatever
that Oprah was involved with, that guy John John of God. Yeah,
I'm not dyslexic. I just had it back. But that Lucifer Satan.
You know, a ball and all that. The focus is on you.
Great you are. You don't need Jesus, you don't need a God.
There's no one than you, and that whole self help kind of stick.
I think one of the reasons it appeals to dictators and as George Bush would
say, evil doers harrised. I think it appeals to them because there's no
moral code to it, so there is no well, you would never do
that to a woman, you would never do that to a baby, you
would never do that to hardworking people. Being worshiping Lucifer is the ultimate ends
justify the means. Great point, it's everything Satan does is it doesn't matter
if you have to cut someone's head off or or break this woman to get
her to comply. It justifies your greatness. You know, Here's what I
think the key to that is, I learned this back when I was studying,
you know, how statism works, when I was underground. I think
that what this does is it's the worship of the self, worship of Lucifer.
Ultimately, that is a relativistic subjectivist views. In other words, there's
nothing that I'm bound by. Ultimately, I'm my own arbitr of everything.
And the reason that the state or the system really likes that. You might
think, well, why would the state want me believing that I'm my own
god? Because what that does is it puts you into a mode of being
a slave to your passions. So what actually happens is that you're now a
slave too based desires. The more that you feed into that self worship mode
of thinking, and that makes you perfectly pliable putty for the state. That's
why the state always pushes these kinds of I mean, if you go back
to that Roman empire, right, you can worship any gods you want,
just as long as you acknowledge also Caesaro's God. So in the same way,
statism wants you to worship yourself, and that ultimately means you're going to
be worshiping your base passions. But the state will guarantee your pleasure dome living
as long as you then submit to the state in that so that you can
be ruled by your passion. That's the key to it right there. And
the irony is the people, the detractors of Christianity, and they attack Christianity.
I was just thinking of so so many places in the Bible, it
says to be a good steward of the earth, to be a good citizen,
you know, pay your taxes, if your Roman, pay your taxes,
obey the laws, be a good citizen. And the exact opposite is
socialism and communism. They're like, anything goes. Just do what we say
when we say it, and then it's free for all. And I think
that's why you can get I think that's why the left can recruit so many
people because they feel if I'm not judged and I'm not hold to any standard.
Yeah, I mean this this Obama guy, this Biden guy is awesome.
He's a Catholic. It's pro abortion, pro gay marriage. That's like
the ultimate Catholic. Yeah, yeah, it's a great Yeah. I think
they the the leftist mindset is ultimately totally ironically a contradiction. And you know,
if you think about nineteen eighty four, it actually points this out where
it talks about double think, because everything that the establishment is telling you is
the direct opposite of what actually is the case. But people keep believing it
because they think or they're controlled basically by this faith that they have in the
system. And so if you remember and the most important chapter is when O'Brien
is having that debate about with Winston and he says, look, Winston,
the point of what we're doing as the party is that you believe from your
heart that the party makes reality. Because if you'll believe that, then I
have you as you He says something that you're you're perfectly controlled or brainwashed.
He's like, you're perfect at that point, and he says, I don't
want you to just say that two plus two equals five because you think that's
what I want to hear. I want you to say it because you actually
believe that the party can make two plus two be five. And so that
is a submission to the fact that there's no truth higher than the state or
the corp state, whatever. It's pure relativism. And so if they can
get the individual to believe pure relativism, then they will believe that the state
can dictate the tuplus two is five. Well, you mentioned that at the
very beginning. You brought up the version of two plus two equals five equals
five. We're there now, yes, exactly, man Russell said version.
Russell said that would be where we'd be. Yeah, and that is where
we are now. So incorporating that into wrapping things up some predictions, if
you will, What do you think about an election? Do you think it's
going to happen, Do you think it's going to be fair, or do
you think Kaka hits the fan? Yeah, great question. I think we've
got basically multiple options that you know, a a deck of cards. They
could throw down, multiple options. They could throw down an economic crisis.
They could throw down riots, race, riots, these kinds of things stirred
up like we saw back at Ferguson. That could be a good type of
a strategy. We could have something to do with the border, the illegals,
price, is there some kind of something that's that's kicked off with all
of the people that have come in, Maybe they've been trained or told what
to do in a certain situation. We could have, like you said,
something with Russia that postpones the elections. Maybe these maybe events happen and oh
we've got to postpone the election because you know so. I think all of
these are very real possibilities we could have. They might throw another curveball with
COUVID Part two. I mean, nobody in twenty twenty was expecting COVID,
right that came. We see in March. Oh, there's these videos of
something weird happening in China. Haha, hope it never happens here. And
then boom, we're in this total dystopia madness situation where nobody expected us and
we saw Bill Gates, Tadros. They've been saying, get ready for COVID
too. Yeah, I know X they say. Tadros said at Davos,
right or the other world governments. Something he said, COVID was disease X
part one, and there will be disease X Part two. So nobody's really
we keep forgetting about every time. I'm not saying you, but people in
general. Every time was a big new event. We started thinking, oh
that's the thing, right, So now that we've had the Russia attack,
now, oh, world War three is going to be the thing that But
they like to throw these curve balls. So I'm spitballing here, but I
still kind of think they might try to do, you know, some kind
of disease X part two. They were really talking that up. I know
that the cancer cancer is getting a lot of attention now because of Kate Middleton
and King Charles and the spike in young cancer I just saw a big article
on it. I did it on my show today. They're calling it turbo
cancer among young healthy people. Where is it coming from? But you're not
allowed to say in the same segment these people have been vaccinated also, probably
right, So it's crazy. Now I want to talk about this is out
of left field. Your wife? Are you and her on the same page
ideologically or does she think, oh my god, he's reading another book.
Stop. No, she's got two books of her own along the same lines.
In fact, that's how we met. Was on a podcast talking about
critiquing Hollywood. So she does a podcast as well on YouTube. So HER's
her name is Jamie Henshaw. And the only reason she's not Jamie she has
Jamie Dyer, but because she was already kind of doing Oh yeah, Brandon,
get it, I get it. Yeah, yeah, we didn't.
Yeah. So she's out there doing the same stuff too. You can get
her books at my side as well. I don't think you're a woke compliant
man, not at all. Do you have Do you have her books?
You want to plug while you're here. I don't have a copy. But
if you go to my website, jays analysis dot com in the shop.
You'll see her books there as well. Yeah, we're books. We're going
to put that link on there, so I would I would strongly recommend your
books obviously. And the beauty about this is who hasn't seen movies? Who
doesn't like movies? I mean, really, when you think about some of
the defining movies and the defining moments in our culture, like you said,
it's always been art, like ET's my wife's favorite movie. You love that
movie, and and uh, but when you think about the the predicted programming
and the narrowive, you know, the something that I played and uh,
you may have done this as well. I played that scene in E T
where I was I was trying to get across that the mask don't work with
COVID, and I played turns into a powdered donut, and yeah, no,
this was this was I'm sorry, I'm thinking Close Encounters of the Close
Encounters of the third kind. I'm thinking of the mass scene, Richard Dreyfus.
Everybody's walking around. What's going on? I don't know, but it's
terrible that there's bio release. Don't walk out of the circle. You can't
come in here, sir, You can't come in here and then he goes,
screw this. Yeah, it's like you know, and it's a lot.
Yeah, and how I don't see how people didn't grasp What do you
think if you had to? And this is another heavy question, but again
I want to have you back on. We could talk for hours, and
I really want to have I hope you'll come back on. We could crack
certain books, open yours, we can crack other books, and I'm sure
just in the next twenty four hours Biden's going to do something crazy. I'll
give us plenty to talk about. But what do you think is the biggest
lie or misconception that the current population in this country needs to get beyond?
Like what's that lever where? Look, if you don't get beyond this and
understand this is not real, you're never going to get to the next level,
do you What do you think that is the biggest problem philosophically is what
I said earlier, that people are many people are still trapped in a bubble
of moral and epistemological relativism. They think that there's nothing true whatever floats your
boat, that we're not bound, there's no boundary. I'm not bound by
anything. I can determine truth from reality. If you never get past that
stage one out of coming out of that, you'll forever be a tool of
the system. You'll be in double think forever. So that has to come,
that has to happen first, and then manifestations of that are things like
the idea that we can, you know, I can identify as a woman
and be a woman, that the magical thinking that my mind just makes it
real. I mean, that's the root of this. And actually some people
actually have talked about this. They've even said that if you go back into
postmodernism and early gender theory studies, they were actually talking about magical thinking and
the idea that the mind could determine reality and make it so. So I
think we have to get away from that. That's the number one cheap delusion
that people have, and that would then undercut all the rest of the delusions
because you have to have that fundamental delusion first. There's no truth before you
can start to say, hey, wait a minute, maybe there's a truth
higher than the state, the establishment system, the corporations. Maybe they're actually
lying. Yeah, But to say that there's mass deception of mass lying presupposes
that there is objective truth. So that's the thing that has to be hammered
home. And and that's well put, and it fits the biggies, like
you look at the crisis, the climate crisis, which is a crisis.
Carbon's not a threat, right, we need it. We do better in
warm conditions. We're not unreasonably warm right now. The Earth has been a
hell of a Humans are not destroying the planet by existing. And then yeah,
that whole thing and that also, but again it goes back to what
you said, that magical thinking that you know, Mother Earth, Earth isn't
my mother. I have a moment, right, you know, we need
to commune with the trees. No, we can grown trees over and over
and we can use the wood to build. We don't have to make love
to the trees, although I'm sure there's people listening that maybe have, because
I mean, all the earth worship stuff is. They tie that into the
latest push for veganism, for you're not gonna eat meat. You know,
we've been talking about that on podcasts for many, many years, because I
was seeing in the documents of the elites they were talking long long ago,
decades ago, about how eventually they would have to ban meat because meat is
so nutrient dense of a food. Yes, And so you know, this
goes back to Plato's Republic where Plato says, don't feed the slaves meat,
give them grains, keep them docile. Right, Meat's a huge meat.
Diet is a huge vector point that's overlooked by a lot of people. But
even Bertrand Russell, Charles Golf and Darwin they're you know, in their writings
on the Technocratic System, they talk about attacking the diet. Yeah, it's
amazing that you brought that up. And then when you look at if you
put next to that the government what they want to ban us from eating,
but what we're allowed to continue to put in our body, like sugar,
sugar, sugar, sugar, yes, alcohol alcohol, alcohol, And then
what do the dens want to do. We want to legalize drugs. We
don't want anybody thinking clearly, but we don't want you getting you know,
meat. And the other thing, I one of my pet peeves is how
easy it is to supply a population with water, you know, you especially
if you're near the ocean. It you know, and no one does it.
I mean, we're the we're the wealthiest, most advanced country, in
the world supposedly, and we can't get enough water to people in California.
You live on the biggest supply of water on the earth. Just take the
salt out of it. But no, they want to control it. They
want to control the water, right, They want to control the food,
just like in Africa. They don't want Africans and third world country and people
trapped in famine. They don't want them having generators to pump water and diesel
trucks to bring their props to market. The people in charge would rather have
the food rot and then they can have great fundraisers do things with the United
Nations. So I'm starting a whole new show and we need to we need
to wrap it up. Well, yeah, we can talk about food and
control resources and oh yeah, intentional uh, you know, shortage and all
that. That's that's a key elite strategy absolutely. So what do you have
coming up that you want to share with people in addition to the you know
you're working on a third book. This is your second book, this is
your first book. Your wife has two books. So yeah, I've got
a I have a third book out called Essays on Theology and Philosophy. It's
about a six hundred page book of all of the things that I wrote over
the last ten years that are talking about movies, So everything non movie is
in a new book that you can get from the from the shop as well.
I'll work on us Esadar Hollywood three, so I got about a hundred
pages of that one written. Hopefully it's going to be better than even Part
two. So I'm looking to to really get deeper into a lot of the
intelligence connections that I didn't go into in one and two, and new things
that I've read and learned about with the history of the OSS and Hollywood that
I didn't cover in part one in part two. So that'll be in Part
three probably in the next six months or year. Hopefully I can get it
done by then. We've been doing a lot of live events, so we're
probably gonna have a live event in June again with Jamie Kennedy, the comedian
from Scream, that will be in Vegas. I think we'll have it do
that in June. Host host the Alex Jones Show every every Friday from three
to four Eastern. Yeah, I wanted to ask you when you when you
fill in for Alex. It's every Friday. I've been doing that for the
last three years, so I have a lot of fun, enjoy that quite
a bit. And then I have a YouTube channel. What we do we
do pretty much every two or three days. We do a new live stream
podcast, interview today all kinds. So that's all my channel. Yeah,
you can follow me on Twitter. I do. I put a lot of
stuff there, following on Rock Finn put a lot of stuff there, So
I'm all over all the social media's. If anybody wants to follow me,
so pretty much you just search Jay Dyer, You're going to come up with
a lot of that stuff. And then your website is outstanding. I really
enjoy your website too. Thank you dot com. Yeah, what's it called
again? Jasanalysis dot com? Jasanalysis dot com. Well, thank you again
for coming on, sir. This has been a real uh I love it.
A great way to kick off the week. Yeah, that was a
great conversation, Ken. I really appreciate it and definitely want to have you
back on and absolutely stay in the fight because I think we got to get
more truth out. Absolutely