At at. Tonight's guest is Jamie Smith. Jamie, welcome to the show.
Thanks for having me Vic Well, thanks so much for coming on.
We appreciate your time. Jamie. Please give us a brief bio on yourself.
I was born and raised in Upper Michigan, and if anyone knows of
the area's woods and more woods. Grew up in a country next to the
woods, spent a lot of time in the woods, would go hunting with
my brother every night and then go for walks in the woods. One time
even walked up on a bear that was at a blueberry patch eating blueberries.
Luckily I had my little dog with me and it chased the black bear away.
So yeah, I grew up my whole life in Upper Michigan, married
with three kids, been married for thirty years, and with my current job,
I've been doing this for twenty years, driving around Upper Michigan and Wisconsin
servicing casinos. Sure sounds to me like you had a great upbringing and obviously
have carved out a really good life for yourself. So what more could you
want? That's great? Right, There's not a lot in Upper Michigan,
just a bunch of small towns, so you do what you can here,
and a lot of that involves activities out in the woods. Nothing wrong with
that. Like I've said before, a bad ding in the woods will be
a good day in the office anytime. So I like that. You mentioned
that beer that you walked up on with your dog. How close did you
get to it before it ran off? I was about ten feet away from
it. Oh, it didn't really see me. It was too busy eating
blueberries. But as seems, my little beagle mixed dogs seen it. It
started barking and chased it away. Well, thank goodness it didn't get frightened
and turn on you. That wouldn't have been good. Black bears don't get
too big, but you always gotta be careful around bears that you doing.
They don't get all that big, but they definitely get big enough to cause
some serious problems. Jamie, your encounter happened close to Christmas in two thousand
and seven, on Christmas Eve of that year. What were your thoughts on
the existence of dog men? Did you even know about them around that time?
I still had no clue what a dog man was. Never heard of
them before, never really heard anything like that. Well, they had to
be quite the shock to the senses that just be thrown into the deep end.
You had your encounter, and that was your introduction to them being around.
That's rough, that really is. If you didn't know about dog man,
I know full well you must have known about sasquatch. What were your
beliefs on their existence? Do you think it was nonsense? It's kind of
one of those things where you have to see it to believe it. The
more and more you hear people talk about their encounters, you start to believe
it more. But I think at that time I probably thought it was probably
a lot of nonsense, or people were seeing something else and were getting screwed
up on what they were seeing. Yeah, that's a pretty common way to
look at the phenomenon. The more you dig into the existence of sasquatch or
dog men, it just gets harder and harder to dismiss their existence. But
if you don't put any research into the phenomenon, the dogman phenomenon or the
sasquatch phenomenon, it's all too easy to just brush it off as complete nonsense.
So, yeah, that didn't make any different from most people. But
from what I understand, not too long after you had your dog mean encounter,
you saw a dog me in related documentary that helped you realize what you
had seen well more? Can you tell us about that? Yes? I
always watched the Discovery Channel because I like the kind of shows the play on
there. One night there was showing a Wisconsin dog Man episode. So I'm
sitting there watching it, and you know they they'll show recreations of a dog
man in people's stories, and I realized by watching this that hey, I
seen something like this before, and now I could finally put a name to
what I seen. When you finally realize what it was that you had seen,
did you go and tell your wife at the first opportunity that, Okay,
I had this experience. I didn't know what it was, but I
just saw a documentary that gave me an education on that, or did you
just keep it to yourself. I told my family what I seem that it
was most likely a dog man. I'm not sure if they really believe me.
I've told a few people since, only people that I believe that I
could trust with this information, because it's not something you want to go around
blabbing that everyone about, because a lot of people look at you like you're
crazy. You're right. Unfortunately they will. But if they do that,
that's a them problem because you know the truth and they don't, so so
be it. If you drive that much in Wisconsin, what's the most frightening
thing that you've seen or experienced driving from job to job that wasn't dog men
related. One time I was driving through Wisconsin, there was a couple cars
ahead of me, and I actually seen a cougar run out in front of
the road, and the second car in front of us hit it. The
cougar did a three sixty spin in the air and landed on the side of
the road. Now, in this area, the dn R and all the
officials will tell you there's not cougar's any area. Well, I seen one
get hit right in front of me. It's funny you mentioned that because mountain
lions are in so many places across the country where the authorities are going to
poopoo their existence. But people see them all the time in these areas,
so they're definitely there. Right. It was a small one that I see,
but yeah, it was a cougar. You know. I've also had
bear run out in front of me, wolves run out in front of me,
Kyles, I've seen just about every kind of animal there is in the
woods just from driving, well, putting on the kind of miles that you
do, I believe it. Yeah, I can only imagine what you've seen.
Speaking of the driving you do for work, after having that encounter while
doing that, did that make it really difficult for you to continue driving from
job to job or do you still feel safe in your vehicle And it's not
that much of a problem. You feel safe in your vehicle because you're inside
a vehicle and you feel like, well, I can go faster than anything
that's out there. But at the same time, you're my eyes are now
watching because you never know what's going to pop out of the woods. Yeah,
it's always a good idea to keep a watch out anyway, because,
yeah, like you said, you never know if deer gonna run across the
road or maybe something else. Am Mountain Lion. I've hit deer, I've
hit turkeys, So there's a lot of animals that will run out in front
of you that there are. Yeah, I definitely have done that myself.
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us about your encounter. Now give us every last detail that comes to mind.
Okay, So I was scheduled to work at a casino in the Kuska,
Wisconsin. I live in Manistique, Michigan, which is about five hours.
Ah, wait, five to six hours. I want to say.
I've never drove to the Cousca before, so this was my first time.
I had to be there Monday morning at eight o'clock to start work, so
it was a Sunday evening. I remember I got ready. I think I
left around five in the evening. For some reason, I mean, I
drive a lot. I couldn't tell you what I did last Wednesday because I
just do so much driving. I can't remember. But for some reason,
I remember almost this whole trip, starting from when I left my house to
where I ended up at. So I left around between five and six.
I remember driving a couple hours, stopping at McDonald's getting a bite to eat.
Remember leaving there. I remember turning into green Bay, Wisconsin, turning
on Mason Street going west. I remember being in Green Bay, and then
I got like probably forty five minutes to an hour past Green Bay. There
was snow on the ground, but there wasn't a lot of snow for the
time of year, which was kind of unusual. It was pretty dark out,
and I was just thinking to myself, how much longer do I have
to drive do I get to this place? So I'm driving and I come
across this cornfield, I mean, obviously there's no corn in it for that
time of year, And about seventy five yards ahead of me, I see
movement on the side of the road. I wasn't close enough to be able
to tell what it was, but I could tell there was something up there
moving around. I got a little closer, and I'm like, Okay,
I think it looks like there might be some ravens, maybe some hawks on
the side of the ropes. I thought I seen wings flapping around. So
I'm getting closer, so I'm starting to slow down. I'm thinking, well,
I got a bunch of ravens or hawks on top of a dead deer
or something that was dead on the side of the road. So right as
I get it on top of it, what I thought was wings that I
was looking at was actually a big shoulder, the biggest shoulder I've ever seen
on any kind of animal or human being. Off the shoulder were these long
arms that were waving around. So then I looked down a little more and
I see that this thing was squatted on top of a deer like a catcher
with squat and its legs it just didn't look natural. The legs in the
arms didn't look natural on this thing. It looked like it was unnatural in
its own body. So it looks like this thing is squatting on top of
this deer, trying to hold it down, and its arms are waving around
like it's trying to keep its balance. And at this time I still didn't
see his face, and I'm like, well, what the heck am I
looking at? And then when I'm stopped right in front of it, it
lifts its head up, looks directly at me and shows me its teeth.
It had big white fangs for teeth, had ears, big pointy ears on
the side of its head. Its face had hair like a dog, but
there was something like under its eyes. There wasn't hair. It had a
snout that really wasn't as long as a snow, but it was long enough.
The only thing I thinking at the time, what I thought I was
looking at was another thing I could compare it to was a gargoyle that I've
seen from old movies from the seventies and eighties. I had no idea what
I was looking at. All I known is that it's looking at me.
It's shown me its teeth. I hurry up and hit the gas pedal and
got out of there as fast as I could. I finished driving got the
Nakouska. The whole time there, I'm checking my mirrors making sure this thing
is not following me. But the whole ride there, I'm wondering, well,
what did I just seen. It didn't make sense to my head.
I've tried to think of all animals I've seen in the past. The only
thing I could say it looked like to me at the time was a gargoyle.
You know. I got to my hotel room, sat in my hotel
room the rest of the night and just sat there and thought what was was
It was my eyes playing tricks on me. I had no idea what it
was. Vic, Well, most people don't. They see something like that
and they wonder what in the world was at What can you tell us about
the aftermath. Did you put research into trying to find out what this was
that you saw or just drop it and let it go. At first,
I dropped it and let it go because I wasn't sure what I seen.
You know, I told my family that I seen something. I don't know
if they believe me or not. But and it wasn't until months later that
I've heard of the dog Man and I'm like, that's exactly what I seen.
Well, like I told you before, I'm so glad you found out
what it was. It took you some time, but better later than ever.
How far were you from the KUSA when you had that encounter. I
want to say I was somewhere between Green Bay and the Kuska, which I
think there might be two hours of drive time between the two places. You
know, it was dark out. It was the first time I've ever gone
drove this way before, so I had no clue where I was, and
with it being dark, you don't really read the signs when you're driving.
It was a complete shock to me. Well, I'm sure it was in
your drive from that scene of that encounter to where you're going for work.
That could go one of two ways. It could have either gone by in
a flash because of what happened to you and you're in shock, or it
could have seemed like it took forever. Which way did it go for you?
Well, right now that I think back, it seemed like a flash,
like I was there and no time. Well that's a lot better than
dragging on seeming like it took forever, So that's a good thing. Is
Nakusa a small isolated town or are there communities around it? It's a small
town with an Indian reservation on it, not very big, so it is
pretty isolated. Then, yeah, that doesn't help. When you went driving
by it, how fast did you say you were going? Well, the
speed limit was fifty five on the highway. This was highway fifty four if
anyone was wondering. But I almost came to a stop because I wasn't sure
what was on the side of the road. Why. I must have been
wondering, what the heck is this guy doing? People don't come close to
me and stop. It did not care that I was there in front of
it. When you say you stopped right in front of it, how many
feet would you say you were from it? It was only about five feet
away from me. Oh that's way too close for comfort. Yeah, it
didn't care if I was there or not. It was eating its dinner and
I was interrupting its dinner. You said, it gave the impression that it
didn't give two shakes that you were there or not. But did it ever
do anything. It gave you the impression that it was about to come after
you. I didn't stay there long enough to find out. As soon as
it lifted its head up and showed me its teeth, Oh that was more
than enough message that it didn't want me there. Yeah, they're masters are
getting a point across it. Sure sounds like it did also that night,
considering how you described what you saw, Jamie, as you're approaching that dog
men, it sounded to me like the deer just might have still been fighting
for its life. Do you think that it was still alive at that point
or already dead? I think it was a lie. Probably by the time
I got up on it, it was dead. The dog man was slashing
around on top of it, so he must have just brought that down right
before I got up on him. I don't think it was a road kill
that it was eaten. I think it just killed it itself and it was
holding it down. That's why it was on top of the deer, squat
it down on it, holding it down, waving its arms around and trying
to get the deer under control. Yeah, it doesn't take these guys long
at all to kill an animal like that, so that would make sense.
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driven down that highway before he had that experience at night? That was the
very first time I've ever driven that way. I have not drove down that
highway since. Have you had to do any work in a kusa since then?
That was my first and last time in the kuska. Huh. If
they gave you an assignment we actually had to go back to work to do
a job, what would you do refuse it? I would probably find a
different way to get there. I definitely wouldn't go back on that highway,
and especially not when it's dark. Oat. Yeah, I don't think anyone
could blame you for that. After having that experience. What kinds of changes
have you made in your life that a lot of people wouldn't expect you to
necessarily make changes that aren't necessarily related to the threat of dogmen coming around or
whatnot. I guess when I hear people tell stories, whether it be a
dog man or the sasquatch even goes. I no longer doubt any one stories
anymore. As far as personally, I now know that there are these kind
of monsters out in the woods. I've done after I found out what it
was. I've done research on them, watch as much listen to as many
people's encounters as I can, you know, just to clarify what match up
to what I've seen. And yeah, I think people need to know that
these things are out there, Whether they are some kind of inbred dog or
some kind of demon that people you know one way or the other. Well,
it's admirable that you want to get the word out and warn people about
their existence. What's frightening, though, is if they're out there, just
imagine what else is too right there? Has to be a lot more of
them, even bigfoots. There has to be a lot more bigfoots out there
too. Yeah, you just want to keep having people come forward. That
way we could somehow get some evidence and prove that these things are alive,
well, proving their existence. That's definitely quite the uphill battle. But you
never know. Maybe one day that's going to happen. I'll be awfully surprised
if it ever does, but I guess anything's possible. Well, it's about
time for us to get out, if you're Jamie, But before we do,
do you have any clothing comments you'd like to share? Well, I
hope more people come forward with their sightings. Governments need to know that if
they already don't know, these things are out there. It took me a
long time to actually come out and tell a lot of people what I see.
And what actually helped me come out and tell my story is hearing other
people's stories. Your story if you've seen it does help a lot of people
a lot. Yes, it does, because, as you know, when
you have an encounter with a dog man or a sasquatch, it's just not
easy to come out and start telling people about it. For the obvious reasons
it's not. But having said that, thanks so much for coming on and
sharing the details of your experience with us. Jamie, I really appreciate it.
Thanks for having me vic Oh you know you're welcome. Thanks again so
much, and have a great night.