1 00:00:11,199 --> 00:01:30,799 At at. Tonight's guest is Jamie Smith. Jamie, welcome to the show. 2 00:01:32,719 --> 00:01:34,680 Thanks for having me Vic Well, thanks so much for coming on. 3 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:40,640 We appreciate your time. Jamie. Please give us a brief bio on yourself. 4 00:01:42,159 --> 00:01:47,599 I was born and raised in Upper Michigan, and if anyone knows of 5 00:01:47,599 --> 00:01:55,120 the area's woods and more woods. Grew up in a country next to the 6 00:01:55,159 --> 00:01:57,920 woods, spent a lot of time in the woods, would go hunting with 7 00:01:57,959 --> 00:02:02,599 my brother every night and then go for walks in the woods. One time 8 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:07,800 even walked up on a bear that was at a blueberry patch eating blueberries. 9 00:02:08,759 --> 00:02:13,840 Luckily I had my little dog with me and it chased the black bear away. 10 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:20,400 So yeah, I grew up my whole life in Upper Michigan, married 11 00:02:21,159 --> 00:02:27,280 with three kids, been married for thirty years, and with my current job, 12 00:02:27,319 --> 00:02:30,800 I've been doing this for twenty years, driving around Upper Michigan and Wisconsin 13 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:38,240 servicing casinos. Sure sounds to me like you had a great upbringing and obviously 14 00:02:38,319 --> 00:02:40,719 have carved out a really good life for yourself. So what more could you 15 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:46,520 want? That's great? Right, There's not a lot in Upper Michigan, 16 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:52,639 just a bunch of small towns, so you do what you can here, 17 00:02:52,719 --> 00:02:57,560 and a lot of that involves activities out in the woods. Nothing wrong with 18 00:02:57,599 --> 00:03:00,680 that. Like I've said before, a bad ding in the woods will be 19 00:03:00,879 --> 00:03:05,960 a good day in the office anytime. So I like that. You mentioned 20 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,039 that beer that you walked up on with your dog. How close did you 21 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:14,960 get to it before it ran off? I was about ten feet away from 22 00:03:15,039 --> 00:03:19,879 it. Oh, it didn't really see me. It was too busy eating 23 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:25,639 blueberries. But as seems, my little beagle mixed dogs seen it. It 24 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:30,120 started barking and chased it away. Well, thank goodness it didn't get frightened 25 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:35,560 and turn on you. That wouldn't have been good. Black bears don't get 26 00:03:35,599 --> 00:03:39,960 too big, but you always gotta be careful around bears that you doing. 27 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:44,000 They don't get all that big, but they definitely get big enough to cause 28 00:03:44,039 --> 00:03:49,759 some serious problems. Jamie, your encounter happened close to Christmas in two thousand 29 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,800 and seven, on Christmas Eve of that year. What were your thoughts on 30 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:58,960 the existence of dog men? Did you even know about them around that time? 31 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:04,000 I still had no clue what a dog man was. Never heard of 32 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:11,400 them before, never really heard anything like that. Well, they had to 33 00:04:11,439 --> 00:04:15,319 be quite the shock to the senses that just be thrown into the deep end. 34 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,399 You had your encounter, and that was your introduction to them being around. 35 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,519 That's rough, that really is. If you didn't know about dog man, 36 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:25,920 I know full well you must have known about sasquatch. What were your 37 00:04:25,959 --> 00:04:31,160 beliefs on their existence? Do you think it was nonsense? It's kind of 38 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:35,639 one of those things where you have to see it to believe it. The 39 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:41,839 more and more you hear people talk about their encounters, you start to believe 40 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:46,720 it more. But I think at that time I probably thought it was probably 41 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:53,399 a lot of nonsense, or people were seeing something else and were getting screwed 42 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:57,000 up on what they were seeing. Yeah, that's a pretty common way to 43 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,920 look at the phenomenon. The more you dig into the existence of sasquatch or 44 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,839 dog men, it just gets harder and harder to dismiss their existence. But 45 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:10,680 if you don't put any research into the phenomenon, the dogman phenomenon or the 46 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:15,519 sasquatch phenomenon, it's all too easy to just brush it off as complete nonsense. 47 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,480 So, yeah, that didn't make any different from most people. But 48 00:05:18,639 --> 00:05:21,959 from what I understand, not too long after you had your dog mean encounter, 49 00:05:23,319 --> 00:05:26,839 you saw a dog me in related documentary that helped you realize what you 50 00:05:26,879 --> 00:05:32,240 had seen well more? Can you tell us about that? Yes? I 51 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:38,040 always watched the Discovery Channel because I like the kind of shows the play on 52 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:47,040 there. One night there was showing a Wisconsin dog Man episode. So I'm 53 00:05:47,079 --> 00:05:55,519 sitting there watching it, and you know they they'll show recreations of a dog 54 00:05:55,639 --> 00:06:01,160 man in people's stories, and I realized by watching this that hey, I 55 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:06,079 seen something like this before, and now I could finally put a name to 56 00:06:06,199 --> 00:06:11,920 what I seen. When you finally realize what it was that you had seen, 57 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,839 did you go and tell your wife at the first opportunity that, Okay, 58 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,560 I had this experience. I didn't know what it was, but I 59 00:06:18,639 --> 00:06:23,120 just saw a documentary that gave me an education on that, or did you 60 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:30,240 just keep it to yourself. I told my family what I seem that it 61 00:06:30,319 --> 00:06:34,800 was most likely a dog man. I'm not sure if they really believe me. 62 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:41,319 I've told a few people since, only people that I believe that I 63 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:46,360 could trust with this information, because it's not something you want to go around 64 00:06:46,959 --> 00:06:49,639 blabbing that everyone about, because a lot of people look at you like you're 65 00:06:49,639 --> 00:06:55,560 crazy. You're right. Unfortunately they will. But if they do that, 66 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:59,560 that's a them problem because you know the truth and they don't, so so 67 00:06:59,759 --> 00:07:03,199 be it. If you drive that much in Wisconsin, what's the most frightening 68 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:08,480 thing that you've seen or experienced driving from job to job that wasn't dog men 69 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:15,279 related. One time I was driving through Wisconsin, there was a couple cars 70 00:07:15,319 --> 00:07:19,399 ahead of me, and I actually seen a cougar run out in front of 71 00:07:19,439 --> 00:07:25,519 the road, and the second car in front of us hit it. The 72 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:30,720 cougar did a three sixty spin in the air and landed on the side of 73 00:07:30,759 --> 00:07:34,480 the road. Now, in this area, the dn R and all the 74 00:07:34,519 --> 00:07:41,240 officials will tell you there's not cougar's any area. Well, I seen one 75 00:07:41,279 --> 00:07:45,759 get hit right in front of me. It's funny you mentioned that because mountain 76 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,399 lions are in so many places across the country where the authorities are going to 77 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:55,199 poopoo their existence. But people see them all the time in these areas, 78 00:07:55,319 --> 00:08:00,079 so they're definitely there. Right. It was a small one that I see, 79 00:08:00,759 --> 00:08:05,240 but yeah, it was a cougar. You know. I've also had 80 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,800 bear run out in front of me, wolves run out in front of me, 81 00:08:09,959 --> 00:08:13,720 Kyles, I've seen just about every kind of animal there is in the 82 00:08:13,759 --> 00:08:18,399 woods just from driving, well, putting on the kind of miles that you 83 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,519 do, I believe it. Yeah, I can only imagine what you've seen. 84 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,639 Speaking of the driving you do for work, after having that encounter while 85 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,399 doing that, did that make it really difficult for you to continue driving from 86 00:08:30,519 --> 00:08:35,600 job to job or do you still feel safe in your vehicle And it's not 87 00:08:35,639 --> 00:08:41,039 that much of a problem. You feel safe in your vehicle because you're inside 88 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:45,440 a vehicle and you feel like, well, I can go faster than anything 89 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,639 that's out there. But at the same time, you're my eyes are now 90 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:54,399 watching because you never know what's going to pop out of the woods. Yeah, 91 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:58,120 it's always a good idea to keep a watch out anyway, because, 92 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,759 yeah, like you said, you never know if deer gonna run across the 93 00:09:01,799 --> 00:09:05,919 road or maybe something else. Am Mountain Lion. I've hit deer, I've 94 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:11,960 hit turkeys, So there's a lot of animals that will run out in front 95 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:16,320 of you that there are. Yeah, I definitely have done that myself. 96 00:09:16,519 --> 00:09:20,080 If you've had a dog mean encounter, I would like to speak with me 97 00:09:20,159 --> 00:09:24,399 about it, whether I'm private or on the show. Please go to Dogmanencounters 98 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:28,559 dot com and submit a report. If you've had a bigfoot sighting and would 99 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,679 like to be a guest on one of my two big foot shows, please 100 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:37,240 go to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com. All right, Jamie, please tell 101 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,960 us about your encounter. Now give us every last detail that comes to mind. 102 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:46,480 Okay, So I was scheduled to work at a casino in the Kuska, 103 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:54,759 Wisconsin. I live in Manistique, Michigan, which is about five hours. 104 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,919 Ah, wait, five to six hours. I want to say. 105 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:03,679 I've never drove to the Cousca before, so this was my first time. 106 00:10:03,799 --> 00:10:09,000 I had to be there Monday morning at eight o'clock to start work, so 107 00:10:09,919 --> 00:10:16,360 it was a Sunday evening. I remember I got ready. I think I 108 00:10:16,519 --> 00:10:22,600 left around five in the evening. For some reason, I mean, I 109 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:28,879 drive a lot. I couldn't tell you what I did last Wednesday because I 110 00:10:28,039 --> 00:10:31,399 just do so much driving. I can't remember. But for some reason, 111 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:37,039 I remember almost this whole trip, starting from when I left my house to 112 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:45,279 where I ended up at. So I left around between five and six. 113 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:50,279 I remember driving a couple hours, stopping at McDonald's getting a bite to eat. 114 00:10:50,759 --> 00:10:56,639 Remember leaving there. I remember turning into green Bay, Wisconsin, turning 115 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:01,559 on Mason Street going west. I remember being in Green Bay, and then 116 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:07,559 I got like probably forty five minutes to an hour past Green Bay. There 117 00:11:07,639 --> 00:11:11,240 was snow on the ground, but there wasn't a lot of snow for the 118 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:16,440 time of year, which was kind of unusual. It was pretty dark out, 119 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:24,120 and I was just thinking to myself, how much longer do I have 120 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:28,480 to drive do I get to this place? So I'm driving and I come 121 00:11:28,519 --> 00:11:33,039 across this cornfield, I mean, obviously there's no corn in it for that 122 00:11:33,159 --> 00:11:39,519 time of year, And about seventy five yards ahead of me, I see 123 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:43,519 movement on the side of the road. I wasn't close enough to be able 124 00:11:43,519 --> 00:11:46,399 to tell what it was, but I could tell there was something up there 125 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,000 moving around. I got a little closer, and I'm like, Okay, 126 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:54,759 I think it looks like there might be some ravens, maybe some hawks on 127 00:11:54,840 --> 00:12:01,000 the side of the ropes. I thought I seen wings flapping around. So 128 00:12:01,159 --> 00:12:03,480 I'm getting closer, so I'm starting to slow down. I'm thinking, well, 129 00:12:03,519 --> 00:12:09,840 I got a bunch of ravens or hawks on top of a dead deer 130 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:15,799 or something that was dead on the side of the road. So right as 131 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:20,360 I get it on top of it, what I thought was wings that I 132 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:28,279 was looking at was actually a big shoulder, the biggest shoulder I've ever seen 133 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:35,159 on any kind of animal or human being. Off the shoulder were these long 134 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:45,320 arms that were waving around. So then I looked down a little more and 135 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:52,399 I see that this thing was squatted on top of a deer like a catcher 136 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:58,759 with squat and its legs it just didn't look natural. The legs in the 137 00:12:58,919 --> 00:13:05,639 arms didn't look natural on this thing. It looked like it was unnatural in 138 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:09,879 its own body. So it looks like this thing is squatting on top of 139 00:13:09,919 --> 00:13:16,840 this deer, trying to hold it down, and its arms are waving around 140 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:20,879 like it's trying to keep its balance. And at this time I still didn't 141 00:13:20,919 --> 00:13:24,480 see his face, and I'm like, well, what the heck am I 142 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:28,480 looking at? And then when I'm stopped right in front of it, it 143 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:35,600 lifts its head up, looks directly at me and shows me its teeth. 144 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:45,120 It had big white fangs for teeth, had ears, big pointy ears on 145 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:50,320 the side of its head. Its face had hair like a dog, but 146 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:56,519 there was something like under its eyes. There wasn't hair. It had a 147 00:13:56,759 --> 00:14:01,840 snout that really wasn't as long as a snow, but it was long enough. 148 00:14:03,399 --> 00:14:05,159 The only thing I thinking at the time, what I thought I was 149 00:14:05,159 --> 00:14:13,320 looking at was another thing I could compare it to was a gargoyle that I've 150 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:20,519 seen from old movies from the seventies and eighties. I had no idea what 151 00:14:20,639 --> 00:14:22,600 I was looking at. All I known is that it's looking at me. 152 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:28,639 It's shown me its teeth. I hurry up and hit the gas pedal and 153 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,559 got out of there as fast as I could. I finished driving got the 154 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:39,039 Nakouska. The whole time there, I'm checking my mirrors making sure this thing 155 00:14:39,159 --> 00:14:43,960 is not following me. But the whole ride there, I'm wondering, well, 156 00:14:45,039 --> 00:14:48,879 what did I just seen. It didn't make sense to my head. 157 00:14:50,879 --> 00:14:54,080 I've tried to think of all animals I've seen in the past. The only 158 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:58,720 thing I could say it looked like to me at the time was a gargoyle. 159 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,039 You know. I got to my hotel room, sat in my hotel 160 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:07,919 room the rest of the night and just sat there and thought what was was 161 00:15:07,919 --> 00:15:13,200 It was my eyes playing tricks on me. I had no idea what it 162 00:15:13,279 --> 00:15:18,159 was. Vic, Well, most people don't. They see something like that 163 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,799 and they wonder what in the world was at What can you tell us about 164 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,840 the aftermath. Did you put research into trying to find out what this was 165 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:30,519 that you saw or just drop it and let it go. At first, 166 00:15:30,559 --> 00:15:35,159 I dropped it and let it go because I wasn't sure what I seen. 167 00:15:37,399 --> 00:15:41,279 You know, I told my family that I seen something. I don't know 168 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:48,120 if they believe me or not. But and it wasn't until months later that 169 00:15:48,279 --> 00:15:52,120 I've heard of the dog Man and I'm like, that's exactly what I seen. 170 00:15:54,559 --> 00:15:56,879 Well, like I told you before, I'm so glad you found out 171 00:15:56,919 --> 00:16:00,399 what it was. It took you some time, but better later than ever. 172 00:16:00,559 --> 00:16:04,960 How far were you from the KUSA when you had that encounter. I 173 00:16:06,039 --> 00:16:11,279 want to say I was somewhere between Green Bay and the Kuska, which I 174 00:16:11,279 --> 00:16:17,080 think there might be two hours of drive time between the two places. You 175 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,480 know, it was dark out. It was the first time I've ever gone 176 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:25,799 drove this way before, so I had no clue where I was, and 177 00:16:25,919 --> 00:16:29,799 with it being dark, you don't really read the signs when you're driving. 178 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:36,000 It was a complete shock to me. Well, I'm sure it was in 179 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:40,639 your drive from that scene of that encounter to where you're going for work. 180 00:16:40,759 --> 00:16:44,080 That could go one of two ways. It could have either gone by in 181 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,759 a flash because of what happened to you and you're in shock, or it 182 00:16:47,759 --> 00:16:52,759 could have seemed like it took forever. Which way did it go for you? 183 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,879 Well, right now that I think back, it seemed like a flash, 184 00:16:56,039 --> 00:17:00,759 like I was there and no time. Well that's a lot better than 185 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:06,960 dragging on seeming like it took forever, So that's a good thing. Is 186 00:17:07,079 --> 00:17:12,599 Nakusa a small isolated town or are there communities around it? It's a small 187 00:17:12,759 --> 00:17:19,640 town with an Indian reservation on it, not very big, so it is 188 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:25,039 pretty isolated. Then, yeah, that doesn't help. When you went driving 189 00:17:25,079 --> 00:17:27,640 by it, how fast did you say you were going? Well, the 190 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:33,240 speed limit was fifty five on the highway. This was highway fifty four if 191 00:17:33,279 --> 00:17:38,160 anyone was wondering. But I almost came to a stop because I wasn't sure 192 00:17:38,279 --> 00:17:42,079 what was on the side of the road. Why. I must have been 193 00:17:42,079 --> 00:17:45,480 wondering, what the heck is this guy doing? People don't come close to 194 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:51,079 me and stop. It did not care that I was there in front of 195 00:17:51,079 --> 00:17:55,079 it. When you say you stopped right in front of it, how many 196 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:59,680 feet would you say you were from it? It was only about five feet 197 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:04,680 away from me. Oh that's way too close for comfort. Yeah, it 198 00:18:04,759 --> 00:18:10,200 didn't care if I was there or not. It was eating its dinner and 199 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:15,240 I was interrupting its dinner. You said, it gave the impression that it 200 00:18:15,279 --> 00:18:19,440 didn't give two shakes that you were there or not. But did it ever 201 00:18:19,519 --> 00:18:22,880 do anything. It gave you the impression that it was about to come after 202 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:29,480 you. I didn't stay there long enough to find out. As soon as 203 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:33,759 it lifted its head up and showed me its teeth, Oh that was more 204 00:18:33,839 --> 00:18:37,759 than enough message that it didn't want me there. Yeah, they're masters are 205 00:18:37,759 --> 00:18:41,279 getting a point across it. Sure sounds like it did also that night, 206 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:47,400 considering how you described what you saw, Jamie, as you're approaching that dog 207 00:18:47,559 --> 00:18:51,640 men, it sounded to me like the deer just might have still been fighting 208 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:53,599 for its life. Do you think that it was still alive at that point 209 00:18:53,720 --> 00:19:00,359 or already dead? I think it was a lie. Probably by the time 210 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:06,400 I got up on it, it was dead. The dog man was slashing 211 00:19:06,519 --> 00:19:11,079 around on top of it, so he must have just brought that down right 212 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:15,359 before I got up on him. I don't think it was a road kill 213 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:19,799 that it was eaten. I think it just killed it itself and it was 214 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:25,039 holding it down. That's why it was on top of the deer, squat 215 00:19:25,079 --> 00:19:30,119 it down on it, holding it down, waving its arms around and trying 216 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,119 to get the deer under control. Yeah, it doesn't take these guys long 217 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:37,279 at all to kill an animal like that, so that would make sense. 218 00:19:37,279 --> 00:19:41,240 You're probably right. If you'd like to be able to listen to the show 219 00:19:41,279 --> 00:19:45,039 without ads and have full access to bonus content, that's an option to find 220 00:19:45,039 --> 00:19:53,240 out how, Please go to Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash podcast. Had you 221 00:19:53,319 --> 00:19:59,400 driven down that highway before he had that experience at night? That was the 222 00:19:59,519 --> 00:20:03,400 very first time I've ever driven that way. I have not drove down that 223 00:20:03,519 --> 00:20:08,160 highway since. Have you had to do any work in a kusa since then? 224 00:20:10,519 --> 00:20:14,799 That was my first and last time in the kuska. Huh. If 225 00:20:14,799 --> 00:20:17,839 they gave you an assignment we actually had to go back to work to do 226 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:22,039 a job, what would you do refuse it? I would probably find a 227 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:27,319 different way to get there. I definitely wouldn't go back on that highway, 228 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:32,839 and especially not when it's dark. Oat. Yeah, I don't think anyone 229 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:37,480 could blame you for that. After having that experience. What kinds of changes 230 00:20:37,519 --> 00:20:40,960 have you made in your life that a lot of people wouldn't expect you to 231 00:20:41,039 --> 00:20:45,920 necessarily make changes that aren't necessarily related to the threat of dogmen coming around or 232 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:53,160 whatnot. I guess when I hear people tell stories, whether it be a 233 00:20:53,240 --> 00:21:00,799 dog man or the sasquatch even goes. I no longer doubt any one stories 234 00:21:00,839 --> 00:21:07,799 anymore. As far as personally, I now know that there are these kind 235 00:21:07,799 --> 00:21:12,480 of monsters out in the woods. I've done after I found out what it 236 00:21:12,599 --> 00:21:17,839 was. I've done research on them, watch as much listen to as many 237 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:23,039 people's encounters as I can, you know, just to clarify what match up 238 00:21:23,039 --> 00:21:30,160 to what I've seen. And yeah, I think people need to know that 239 00:21:30,559 --> 00:21:37,759 these things are out there, Whether they are some kind of inbred dog or 240 00:21:40,319 --> 00:21:47,359 some kind of demon that people you know one way or the other. Well, 241 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,759 it's admirable that you want to get the word out and warn people about 242 00:21:49,759 --> 00:21:53,440 their existence. What's frightening, though, is if they're out there, just 243 00:21:53,480 --> 00:22:00,359 imagine what else is too right there? Has to be a lot more of 244 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,200 them, even bigfoots. There has to be a lot more bigfoots out there 245 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:10,759 too. Yeah, you just want to keep having people come forward. That 246 00:22:10,839 --> 00:22:15,119 way we could somehow get some evidence and prove that these things are alive, 247 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:22,279 well, proving their existence. That's definitely quite the uphill battle. But you 248 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,839 never know. Maybe one day that's going to happen. I'll be awfully surprised 249 00:22:25,839 --> 00:22:30,240 if it ever does, but I guess anything's possible. Well, it's about 250 00:22:30,279 --> 00:22:32,839 time for us to get out, if you're Jamie, But before we do, 251 00:22:32,839 --> 00:22:37,279 do you have any clothing comments you'd like to share? Well, I 252 00:22:37,279 --> 00:22:41,759 hope more people come forward with their sightings. Governments need to know that if 253 00:22:41,799 --> 00:22:47,960 they already don't know, these things are out there. It took me a 254 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:52,599 long time to actually come out and tell a lot of people what I see. 255 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,359 And what actually helped me come out and tell my story is hearing other 256 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:03,880 people's stories. Your story if you've seen it does help a lot of people 257 00:23:03,519 --> 00:23:07,519 a lot. Yes, it does, because, as you know, when 258 00:23:07,519 --> 00:23:11,720 you have an encounter with a dog man or a sasquatch, it's just not 259 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,119 easy to come out and start telling people about it. For the obvious reasons 260 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,799 it's not. But having said that, thanks so much for coming on and 261 00:23:18,839 --> 00:23:22,680 sharing the details of your experience with us. Jamie, I really appreciate it. 262 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,839 Thanks for having me vic Oh you know you're welcome. Thanks again so 263 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:51,720 much, and have a great night.