What is a fellow thermonuclear a efforts. I am dan to Valley, coming
at you with a very very brief intro before Grant and I get to one
trade target for every NBA team with a twist. I think that will make
it a little bit more fun. Two news items though that I wanted to
cover I didn't want to ignore since Grant and I I'm still rehabbing from having
COVID. I still have COVID. I've passed my five day whatever quarantine,
whatever it was. I'm just still mega fatigued. Thank you for everyone who's
reached out commented DM me about it. I'm still trying to take a little
bit of a step back, but I'm doing the ramp up. I'm on
the ramp up of trying to get back to norm when we were still able
to put two episodes out for you this week, and I think we'll have
another episode out for you on Monday as well, and so I'm pretty proud
that I was able to power through. I'm also just very proud and grateful
that Grant exists and was able to carry those episodes that I was on.
The two news items. One Warriors assistant coach Deyon Mailovich passed away from a
heart attack. I believe a lot of team dinner. Earlier this week,
the NBA postponed the Warriors Jazz game as a result. That's just terrible,
terrible news, especially that's a young guy. He was well respected around the
league. He knows, his coach's friendly with Nikola Jokic. It was just
that's just a somber thing anytime something like this happens, and something like this
doesn't actually have I can't even think of a time where something this sudden and
so said had happened in the middle of the season. You hate to hear
about it. Thoughts are with his friend's family, members, the team and
organization and players of course, so hopefully his you know, friend's family will
be able to mourn as best that they can. This is just unfortunate news,
and there's nothing you can really say to make it feel better. And
then the other thing is Josh Giddy is not going to face any legal ramifications
over his alleged relationship with a minor. The Newport Beach Police Department announced that
they were unable to cooperate any allegations against the twenty one year old, and
they decided to enclose the investigation. TMZ did report that the miner and her
parents had apparently refused to cooperate with police. The league is still investigating the
matter, so Getty could still face league discipline. I don't know where this
ends up. I don't even really know how to comment on this, because
the allegations are serious and horrid, and first and foremost you want the miner
to be okay. In the age of social media, though, there is
just a twofold of would they ever cooperate if it meant real blowback onto the
minor at hand, like having to go through a legal process. With the
way that social media is and the way that fans can be casting a pal
over your entire life, having this follow you, I could get why you
wouldn't want to cooperate if there was something wrong, If this is something where
joh Getty's not a victim in any sense the word here, But if this
is just something where he was misled in some regard, that doesn't make it
innocuous. But then you're also thinking about, okay, this is a twenty
one year old giddy who's dealing with booze and criticism at these not just at
arenas but you look at the mentions of the tweets on this, where some
people are making jokes about Klaram alone, and that's in itself just really bad
form. The whole situation is very tough to tackle, and we're still have
to wait for it to be resolved before we can say anything. It's just
my first inclination is to just one wait, but also just I hope the
girl in question is okay. I hope this doesn't impact her life adversely moving
forward. And you don't want to if giddy, yeah, I can't even
use I don't even know how to use the word innocent here, but you
don't if this is some big misunderstanding where he did not intentionally do anything wrong
and really was ignorant to the age of the minor or for some reason nothing
happened, and this is he's just refused to comment. It's been blown out
of proportion. You don't want to see this him either. But my first
consider is always gonna lie with the minor in this situation. And it does
look though like the legal process has been closed up. I doubt we're ever
gonna hear like maybe full on details at least for a while of what's happening
with the league and investigation. We'll see if anything even comes of it,
if it's swept under the rug. But that is the status quo. There
no natural segue to do this. But let's get to me and Grant talking
about one trade target for every NBA team with a twist, what is Krakolakim
Fellow thermonuclear A Efforts. I am Dan fa Valley coming at you with a
very special hardwoodknoxs podcast for anyone waiting on the Western Conference trade deadline. Primer.
Grant and I will have that up. I think it'll be the final
week in January, maybe leading into the first day of February or something,
when Grant gets back from a much deserved, well earned family vacation. We
do have a fun little exercise though, that we're gonna go through for this
podcast that is not trade deadline adjacent. It's all about the trade deadline,
because that's what the content is dictated towards right now. First and foremost,
though, Grant, how the heck are you doing? I am excited to
see you. Well, you're not gonna have to squirm on this because you've
prepared. This would have been a very interesting exercise with the rules in place
if you had not been allowed to prepare. But I'm still excited about it,
so I want to see. I don't know who you're going to pick
for any of these. We're going through every team, and Dan has to
identify a single trade target for all thirty teams and he cannot repeat a single
player. So no, you cannot send Dorian Finney Smith to fifteen teams and
Royce O'Neill to the other fifteen and call it good, which is how I
would approach this exercise. So I'm excited to see what you come up with
because I don't know any of the names except for the one that we tested.
I'm excited surprised twenty nine times. I will not be surprised by Denver
because we just checked it. Yeah, that's where I'm at. Are you
excited? I'm less excited because I can't list Og twenty nine times because he's
already been traded and that would go against the spirit of the entire exercise that
we decided to do. That'd be a good April Fools. We're the trade
deadline around April Fools. You just list Og for all thirty teams that would
have been fun. The one rule is, though, is that we I
can't go longer than a minute explaining to you, and the goal should be
to go under a minute per team. As to why I'm selecting this,
this trade target arguably the greater challenge than not repeating names. You give me
five minutes, and I think that's even a challenge. All right, you
want to start. I think I'll proceed alphabetically until I get in less than
until I get bored with it, and then maybe I'll just throw curveballs to
you. Okay, So does that mean we're going to the Hawks first?
We're going to the Atlanta Hawks first. Who is their trade target? Quentin
Grimes? I think this is obvious because de Jontay Murray has been linked to
the New York Knicks. But even if Johonta Murray's going elsewhere, we know
Grimes is available, least be trying to get him in any way shape or
form cost controlled wing type player. If you're sending de Jontay Murray out,
you need someone else to play alongside Trey Young in that back court and the
direction they're going, you assume that, well, they'd like to move DeAndre
Hunter. They might like to move both Don Bogdanovic Quenton Grimes a more line
with an open ended timeline. Yes, he'll be extension eligible, but he's
not going to cost what de Jonte Murray or DeAndre Hunter cost in his next
deal. He's extremely plug in play. He's not as aggressive as should be
on offense, but I would argue maybe in the right context where there's not
a clear cut number two on the offensive end, he might be willing to
do more stuff on the ball, attack and open space, or at least
have sort of a quicker fire finger off the catch. Yeah, thirteen points
per thirty six for his career in a thirty eight point six percent three point
shooter like at his I mean, he's twenty this age twenty three season,
So like, I mean, is he someone that you view as like a
quality starter, like you know, saying the prime of his career, which
he's kind of nearing, or is he just like a upside as that of
a third guard? He started out again last year, So right, it
might be the latter, just because he is, even if it's someplace's list
him at six y five, like he's six three sixty four and that's just
gonna limit what he can do for you defensively, Like there's he's he can
only guard up so often, And so when you talk about wing defenders,
you want them to play threes and fours rather than someone who's better equipped to
go against ones and twos. Mostly. Yeah, that's fair. All right,
Let's move to the next team, Boston Celtics, the team that has
everything. What are you giving him? Yeah, I mean, I'm going
with Naji Marshall here. They need I think you can argue a big and
a bigger wing. They can also use some extra ball handling. Marshall will
go coast to coast sometimes, but he doesn't really provide that. This is
just someone you don't need to guarantee him playing time. But he's not gonna
compromise your defense. He can't hit a wide open three. He can do
a little bit of stuff in space, and he's just big, he's strong.
He's super cheap too, and so they salary matching is a problem for
them, not just because they're expensive, but they don't have expendable salary salary
matching tools. So for everyone who's like they should trade for Kelly OLYNOK,
And it's well, how are they getting to the money for that, and
so getting Nagi Marshall didn't even technically need to send out one to get Nauji
Marshall. I'd be curious if the Pelicans are willing to get rid of him
after they already ducked the tax, but knowing he's going to be a free
agent and they might not be able to pay him as they have their own
tax concerns. He would just be someone I think is a great fit in
a lot of places, but Boston especially. I was gonna say it's kind
of a bummer that they did trade Kyle Lewis, like they nudged into that
Siakam deal because like maybe then if they had not done that, Marshall would
have been the guy that Boston or some other team could approached to get them
under the tax. All right, I like that a lot. Let's go
to Brooklyn next. Who's their trade target? I think this one, this
one might surprise you, Oh, very young, It sure does, because
what are the nets doing. I've seen them linked as sort of a surprise
de jente Murray destination, and it's like, if you're gonna start trading first
round equity at this point, go balls to the wall. And get after
Tree Young. I think even after what you've traded away, which will be
mostly first round equity, at this point, you have some interesting salary matching
fodder. You both mcal Bridges down, you throw out your best offer,
and you still might have enough defen to sort of insulate Trey Young better than
the Atlanta Hawks could, and I think, look more so than de Jonte
Murray. Mcal Bridges makes so much more sense as a Trey Young partner,
does he not? And so that's like if Brooklyn, because they don't have
their own picks, if they don't want to go through this soft rebuild or
a hard reset and actually move McHale Bridges, which by all appearances they don't
want to right now, just go after Trey. I mean, Atlanta's in,
They're not in fire sale Mold. Apparently Jalen Johnson and Trey Young are
the only untouchables. But why don't you go and see if that's actually true?
Because I think Atlanta should be open to basically everything. At this point,
I was just gonna say, I like this as a let's get out
ahead of what might be like a year from now, where it's sort of
understood that like if Trey Young is your best player, I'm not sure what
you're building. So, like from Atlanta's perspective, like get out from Under,
it doesn't it doesn't help the Nets. So I guess we're now just
trading. Although like if you get a bunch of those wings, that that
that roster starts to make more sense around Trey. You wowed me already.
We're three teams in the Charlotte Hornets. What do you get for the team
that has nothing? Damian Mitchell, I still, first of all, I
want to make it clear, I still don't think they should have let Dennis
Smith Junior go this of I don't know what happened there. So let's get
in a guard who could play a bunch of defense. Whether or not you
move Terry Rozier LaMelo's healthy now, like justa you need to be taking flyers
on second draft guys, and there are other names you could throw here,
but like you have Brandon Miller, you have PJ. Washington. I do
think you should be open to moving him. When Mark Williams is healthy,
you have him. Just take a shots on guys who are gonna give a
damn on the defensive end, because I do think at full strength, including
with Miles Bridges, you probably can generate enough offense on your best days where
defense aside from really Brandon Miller, I even have more questions defensively about Mark
Williams and so Damian Mitchell. His offense has just broken, but he is
someone who will wear your skin on the defensive end. It is wild,
Like how how pronounced his regression has been from a shooting perspective, his best
year was rookie year by like a lot just as an overall basketball player.
He shot it a little better as a second year player. But yeah,
I will say when when I was putting together our West trade primer in advance
of thinking we're gonna do that, and I kept wanting to send Mitchell to
like lots of teams for the reasons you're talking about of like what the hell
is that gonna cost you anything? You know? He can guard, like
so maybe if he, you know, it wouldn't be the first guy to
figure out how to shoot and suddenly be like a legitimately viable rotation guy.
Again, I like that one too. Chicago Bulls, can you just say
they should trade everyone and not have a target. Yeah, that was I
don't really know where to go with this, to be honest with you,
so I settled on shooting Kevin Herder. I wonder what it would cost to
get him from the Kings. But I'm more so looking at this from the
perspective of you do kind of have a lot of guards there, and let's
just you don't know what's happening with Zachlvine. Do they want to bring back
to mar de roz In Kobe White has shown out, you do have Io
Desunmu. If you're gonna move Caruso, get Kevin Herder back as part of
that package expanded, see if you could send out the injured Tory Craig or
whatever. Because this team does no matter where they're going, whether it's a
rebuild, whether they're gonna actually try and win, they just need more,
not just good shooters, but higher volume shooters. Kevin Hurder's been all over
the place this season, but this is still someone who could come and give
you a lot of stuff off motion on the offensive end, an element I
would argue that they don't have right now, even with the best version of
zach Lavine. I just don't understand why you're trying to break up the Kings,
but that that's two kings in a row. That's wu to the King
is gonna trade though, you want to send Harrison Barnes, We got the
Cleveland Cavaliers. Next is Harrison Bardons the Cleveland Cavaliers trade target. No,
you know what the key the Cavaliers trade target is Gary Trent Junior. They
just they don't have a ton of assets. And I'm looking at this through
the perspective of they could use more shooting and in theory, someone who qualifies
as three and D Gary Trent Junior sometimes doesn't actualize either end of that,
but sometimes he actualizes both. And I think he's someone on an expiring contract.
If you're a team that doesn't have first round equity and you're only dealing
with some salary matching fodder and you don't even want to give up Isaaca Corle,
maybe it's just someone that you would be able to get. He might
even be too ambitious for them, Like I didn't just want to settle on.
I know a lot of people would be like, oh, Royce O'Neil
for this team or or whatever, and so I wanted to think a little
bit bigger than that. We're not that far removed from Gary Trent getting up
like eight threes a game and hitting thirty eight percent of them either, like
that's that's in there somewhere still, Okay almost you know how old Gary Trent
Junior is. I do because I'm looking at his basketball reference page right now
today. Okay, Well tell the kids. Tomorrow is his birthday. He
will turn twenty five. We're recording this on January seventeen. He'll be twenty
five on the eighteenth. Happy birthday. Gary Trent young. So young?
Yeah, right, young, and like just a demonstrated I mean you say
he did. He sometimes doesn't deliver on the three part. I think he
kind of always has delivered on the three part. The d is coming gone.
I would say thirty eight and a half percent for his career on six
point two attempts per game. That's pretty solid. The Dallas Mavericks are next.
Who you're sending to? The Dallas Mavericks. I'm bullish on this.
I don't think a lot of people are going to be give me Jeremy Grant
on Dallas, and this is you can if you're Dallas. I get wanting
to wait to go in on a trade package because you can probably open up
another first round pick to trade, but like if you can get away with
giving Josh Green in a first round pick and salary to get Jeremy Grant or
a swap and a pick. I love his fit. And you have Luca
and Kyrie when they're both healthy at the same time right now. Derek Lively
is good right now, and so you're trying to you have those three spots
locked down right now, how do we get to round out that the four
spot or the player you want on the wings next to Doncic and Irving and
Grant kind of gives you both because you do have XM and Derek Jones Junior
right now, and so he could also if you really wanted to play with
Grant Williams or Maxi Kleiba and then Derek Lively at the five gives you a
lot of optionality. He's also kind of a third not creator, but self
starting scorer as someone who can attack in more than with more directionality than straight
lines. But he's still okay playing off the ball getting out in transition,
which Dallas has done a better job of doing this year, and so I
love him for them. I'm not concerned about the contract anymore. When it
comes to Dallas, it's more about what are you going to give up to
get him? And I would give up the loan available first round pick they
can technically trade right now is twenty twenty six or twenty twenty seven, I
believe, because twenty nine is going to the Nets, and I would give
that up plus salary in a heartbeat. For granted, Yeah, I think
he's an interesting I think he's an interesting player because he's sort of, at
least from my perspective, like pretty like unanimously viewed to be like a little
overpaid. But also like for Dallas, who just you know, you kind
of have one shot with the pick. I have it down here. Yeah,
they can trade twenty seven now, although if they wait until this offseason,
they could have up to three first so that they can trade. That's
per Tim Cato of the Athletic. I'm not sure how he quite got there.
I think you have to include twenty thirty one in that to get to
the three, because, oh, because then you could trade you can technically
trade twenty five, twenty seven and thirty one, right, Okay, So
like there is quite a bit of logic to them waiting until this summer after
their pick. Theoret their twenty four pick conveys to the Knicks. But yeah,
if it only costs you one first to get a guy who theoretically addresses
a ton of your needs and is like just moderately over paid, he's maybe
twenty seven million this year in like twenty nine after that. Like that,
The fact that it scales up is the problem. If it was like scaling
down or sort of even, I'd feel a lot better about the deal.
No, but I like that because I think because his contract is viewed as
like a little much you, the price it might cost to get him from
an asset perspective might be lower than you think. So I'm into that.
The Denver Nuggets, this is the only one I'm aware of, So I'll
pretend to be surprised I wanted to. I really should put no one before
I reveal it. Just because they don't have a roster spot. They have
fifteen guaranteed contracts on the books, and a few of them are just invested
in youngsters, many of whom are not playing a ton of minutes. They're
not just gonna get rid of jail and Picket or Hunter Tyson. We know
Peyton Watson and Julian Strauther are getting minutes. And then also they're not just
gonna give up Christian Brown. And let's in a higher entra if you want
them to go after a higher entrade though they don't have expendable salary matching tools.
Maybe one day that's Michael Porter Junior, but it's not right now.
It's you're not training can savey. It's called a pollp. Aaron Gordon's your
backup five at this point in the playoffs, even if you do go ahead
and trade for a backup five. So you're kind of looking at you also
know two other things. You're not gonna get rid of DeAndre Jordan if you
if you had to, you would, but you view as important to your
locker room. And then Locko Catchar is injured, but he's also a homie
of Nicole Jokis. You're not getting rid of him. It's basically, okay,
well, who can we get for Justin Holliday And then like pick like
second round picks, and the answer is I'd like Exavier Tillman on this team.
That just gives you some heft and like some fuck you in the front
court behind Nicole Jokic, And I don't know if you would play him as
an alternative at the five in the playoffs, but certainly during the regular season
he could eat a ton of innings for you and limit your dependence on a
DeAndre Jordan or even having to go in spots to Aaron Gordon at the five
until it matters most Can I offer an alternative that I was thinking of earlier
today? Uh? And you if you're using him for another team, please
let me know what about Dario Sarich as your as your backup center on the
minimal WHOA? I honestly I didn't think the Warriors want to get rid of
him, but they don't have his bird rights, so just there are a
lot of teams where he makes a bunch of sense. Yeah, I think
you might. I mean, the reason that might not make sense is because
the Warriors could get more by trading him to somebody else that has more assets
to give up. But I like the same thinking. You want like a
tough guy to kind of just eat up some minutes at the at the fire.
He could play in the playoffs with the way that he has played this
season, though he can play offense in the playoffs that's for sure. Detroit
Pistons. Who's their target? So we know that they want to go after
all these win now players. I'm gonna be more conservative and go with the
in between us whom you're gonna sell. Can you get someone Yeah, maybe
they're on the books for next season. They're not super young, but they
don't, you know, bankrupt your cap space. They're not going to infringe
upon the development of the kiddo's. What you want to do is just get
someone who's kind of a scales all when they're healthy, and that's a Caleb
Martin and so it's you know, you're sending out boy on Boydanovich to the
Heat if they have interested in him. Is there a way to fool Kayla
Martin into that package? Salaries get mega weird there, as they do with
any Heat trade target, as we'll see when we actually get to the Heat.
But he would be just like a connective wing, which is exactly what
they need. And then someone who gives a crap about defense when they're healthy.
He's been banged up a lot this year, is not played especially well
when he's been on the floor. But I would love him in Detroit just
because he's plug and play, and he doesn't define your direction, whereas if
you went and traded for Pascal Siakam like the Pacers did, or if you
are planning to go out and free agency and pay Tobias Harris, that defines
a direction for you. Plus, like we know, he turns it up
in the playoffs, which the Pistons might be in by like twenty thirty seven.
Yes, so I really do like I do like that exosion. All
right, Thompson and Duran is a defensive trio is mega interested. That's kind
of fun. I agree, Golden State Warriors. I mean, I think
you're gonna love this one. But it does mean that he won't be listed
for another team. Who I know that you want him on. Wendell Carter
Junior. Oh wow, how we talked about this already. I don't think
the Warrior should be in on this season. It should be about getting guys
who fit the bill for moving forward, and he just fits the bill of
a Warrior center and gives you more stretch than a Kevon Looney in the Draymond
Green minutes, probably gives you more stretch than Draymond Green, although Draymond had
been shooting the three ball well this year just randomly you get to him because
he makes so little. You can go Kevan Looney and Moses Moody, and
I think that money is there basically, and so I don't know why Orlando
wants to move him. I know he's been banged up. This hasn't been
his best year. I don't know that I trust Mo Wagner and Gogo Bitadze
who they would have to pay after this season long term. But if you
can get him for the package I just laid out, I'm absolutely doing it,
like because Orlando needs wings and shooting, and Moody could certainly be that
type of guards or wings and shooting complimentary shooting. Moody could certainly be that.
Maybe there needs to be some picks involved. I wouldn't give up a
first on top of Moody, but I would unless you disagree. I think
Wendell Carter Junior is like a really good big man fit in Golden State.
No, I I absolutely love it. And this is even with you priming
me by telling me that I would love it, so I was prepared to
zag and not love it just to be contrarian. But that's yeah. I
mean, if you're plus if you're Orlando, you're you know, you've shown
that like you're not married to starting him. I know injury kind of wrecked
the whole start of the season for him, but yeah, like this is
a huge bi low for the Warriors because you know, Carter's like a fifteen
pointed game guy. The last couple of years average and eight numbers are down.
He's hit the three though, Like that's that's exciting. But he's so
well that can you get the lineups where hey, maybe Cominga and Wiggans are
actually able to play together when Draymond's off the floor. I think a lot
of teams should be in on him, Like, I mean, we know
one team though, you can tell the kids that who that's not in on
him that you want to be in on him. You've mentioned it a bunch
of times on this podcast. Oh you know, I can't remember anything.
I don't know what I say New Orleans as one, yes, okay,
whatever, So you do remember I had to I said it with like a
my my inflection went up at the end. It was a question, all
right, Houston top that one, Dan, that was a very good one,
Houston Rockets. I'm actually proud of this one, just like for the
minutes where you know you're gonna have your Bari where you don't have both Shangun
and your Bari Smith on the floor. I mean you even could if you
wanted to play Bowie on at the three with their defense, you could you
have the defense to insulate him. I think you have the rebounding with most
of your lineups where you can not worry about him really never giving a crap
about grabbing a defensive board. They need offense and like another efficient shooter who
can also kind of dabble in creation but won't infringe upon what Fred van Fleet
and Shang Gun and Jalen Green are going to do. This is it,
and this is also someone who could play well and help open up the floor
for Aman Thompson. You do get and you have the contracts just with Victor
Oladipo, Jock Landale, even Jeff Green, like you could just match salaries
and then what is the pick equity or is there a young player that not
a young player or a player if it's Jase Shon Tate or something that Detroit
would really want. I guess you just get it to the point where it's
okay. Well in their most important lineups. What does that look like?
Are you gonna cater to the now and have Boyan Bogdanovich in it, or
do you have Jabari Smith or Onman Thompson getting those high leverage reps. Here's
my thing. I don't fucking care. That's a great problem to have,
and the Rockets are already I'll become a viable team. He would really juice
up their offense. And I think to like another great one because like the
Rockets do just have like a surplus of between Brooks, Easton and Tate.
It's like, well, we're getting defense out of these guys. I know
Brooks has shot it great this year, but like just someone who's gonna come
in and create and score. I think that's that's hugely valuable to them.
And they could insulate him defensively because like let's just say he's out there with
Jabari Smith and Dylan Brooks, like, okay, Bogdanovis is just guarding the
least threatening two three four on the floor like all the time. You don't
you don't have to worry about it. I think that's a great fit there.
Indiana Pacers, they already got one trade target who past. I can't
just lift past Cosiakham again, that's fine. I'll list Royce O'Neill. Ye,
they can prey easily get They have TJ. McConnell's money still, they
have Obi Topping, they have Jalen Smith, they have some salary matching,
mid end salary matching they can send out. And then it's just what else
does it take to get him from Brooklyn. I don't think he's fetching a
first round pick right now. Maybe it's a combination of seconds. And that's
just where you're at right now. Could you imagine a lineup we're talking about.
You know, we know Nie Smith, Turner and Siakam that's your front
court, and then we know you have Halliburton, and we're just gonna assume,
well, is it Mathrin, is it nem Hard? O'Neil gives you
just a little bit more. I would say consistency to guard up, and
he's a better shooter than them Hard He's not a better defender, and nem
Hard can guard up, but he is more plug and play offensively. And
so to get him this season on top of Siakam, like that's a really
like all of a sudden, I mean that you're closing lineup options, whether
it's O'Neil or nem Hard with those other four, or even whether it's better
Nick Mathrin, it just gets super interesting if you can bag a Royce O'Neill.
Yeah, because I think well, I mean, I said it,
and I think you agreed, Like if you're iffy at all about the Pacers
going forward now post Siakam, it's kind of like, do we trust Buddy
Heald or Ben Matheren to close games defensively? And now if you just have
O'Neil as an option against certain matchups, you can toss him out there with
with any combination of like neim Hard and Nie Smith, and you're feeling pretty
good defensively. You're like twelve for twelve or what I think so far.
So you're gonna have to mess up at some point. The lost the LA
Clippers, Well, who are you targeting for them? PJ was a who,
No, it's PJ Washington. My whole thing with them was and this
was I was thinking about this before and after the Zubot's injury, and you
know, Tyson has played really well for them, and the Mason plumbing just
all of a sudden comes back the other night, and he looked good for
them. They need someone who can fill PJ. Tucker's role from like three
or four years ago. PD Washington is not quite that, but he also
is on this team. You could play him at the five and he's gonna
stretch the flour. He can do way more on ball than Tucker ever could
nowhere near the level defensively, but he can switch enough, and they have
the equity to get him if they're willing to put their first round pick on
the table. They have the salary matching tools. Maybe you could even get
him if you were just willing to put Terrence Mann on the table. I'm
not saying the Clippers should do that. I'd rather keep the players and just
give up the picks if i'm them. This is a higher end swing.
But you know what, you extended KWHI. You traded for Harden. You're
trying to extend PG like you're all in on this era and Washington, I
would argue, I'm not saying you could, but if you gave up your
what is it, they're twenty twenty nine or twenty thirty first round pick,
there's a chance that if that's the cost, that plus Tucker and another salary
that you could flip him for better value down the line before his current contract
is over. Yeah, you may get a pick a first coming back at
some point, Like you're just kind of renting the space for a first if
it doesn't work. So if you make this move now, also, because
they're not going to be able to aggregate after this season, all right,
I like that one. Let's do the other LA team. What do you
got for the Lakers? You can guess this one and I'm still on it.
Its Zach Levine. I thought about de Jenttey Murray here, but I
just the Levine's salary does make me uneasy for them. I would not give
up Austin Reeves in the deal, or I wouldn't. I'll say this,
I wouldn't get up Austin Reeves and their first round pick. You could have
one or the other. But it is a lot to consolidate into just Levine.
But then you think about Pete Levine. How perfect does he have a
fit alongside Anthony Davis and Lebron James And just the off the dribble, three
point shooting, the cutting he can do, the off ball shooting he can
give you I imagine he'll be more motivated in LA than he's been in Chicago
for much of this season. I just feel like, I like Dejente Murray
here, but you need someone who's more of a capslock shooter, and that's
Levine. Plus, you gotta send Levine somewhere. And every other hypothetical destination
is just like you hold your nose. It's just that there's nowhere else.
The Lakers, like are the team that makes sense just because there win now
that I mean Clutch. Also, we didn't even mentioned Clutch. But but
you know, you don't send him to Orlando, you don't send him to
like Detroit. There's just none. None of the other ones make as much
sense as LA. I'm on board with that, Memphis Grizzlies. What does
on board with one? Yet? Like? What's your least favorite one?
Are you? If you now this is the halfway points. Let's go through
this one and then we'll see what you're If he is good, all right,
I'll tell you my worst, my least favorite in my favorite after you
give me can you guess which Miller this is from Memphis? Oliver? It
is Leonard Miller of the Minnesota Timberwolves. He has done some pretty nasty shit
in the G League this year. I think they need to start thinking about
some big man prospects of the future to go alongside Jared Jackson junior. I
don't know what Steven Adams or Brandon Clark are gonna look like post injury.
At this point, Xavier Tillman is going to be a free agent. And
when you look at what Minnesota needs and spoiler alert, the player I'm about
to name is not who's listed for Minnesota, but like they could use a
Lukenard And so if you can build Leonard Miller plus salary X for Lukenard,
that's just something I think they could look. It's not a first round pick,
which is maybe what they would prefer, but you're also not you know,
Lukenard's expiring contracts. He's injured all the time. Memphis is going to
be bad enough for the rest of it. They're so banged up, Marcus
Mark, Desmond, Baine, John Ra Everyone's just Steven Adams, but everyone
just injured. Take some flyers on some younger guys. I would love to
see Leonter Miller get some just real NBA playing time. This is if we
have any Timber Wolves fans who are watching the channel, they will probably unsubscribe.
At that's how that's how married Wolves fans are. Leonter Miller, well,
like you know, unheard or not unheard of, but like unsung young
guys that go to Memphis, UH become great because like I just watched I
watched Gigi Jackson and uh, and Vince Williams just lighted up the other night
against the Warriors. So uh, I think this is the correct destination for
him. Okay, my favorite of the first half. I have a lot
to choose from. Honestly, I think I, you know what, just
for a degree of difficulty, I'm gonna say Tillman to Denver because like,
coming up with any trades for Denver as impossible, and you did it.
So I love that one. The Kevin Herder or Chicago, I just don't
know. I just don't. But that's that's more about the Bulls than about
your selection. What would have been the target where even like you know what,
yeah, fuck yeah, no, that's the thing. I don't know.
If there is no Carter Junior, would that you think you can get
two firsts for him? Franz Wagner with that of be in the target.
Maybe just give Vooch back? What about that? Who to Orlando? I
think I don't know. All right, we are at the halfway point.
I have to zoom out on or zoom in on this because uh, I
forget the alphabet and the font is small. The Miami Heat are next.
What do you do with them? I this is what this one of my
throw over a world Santi al Dama, And this is just born from so
many different things, mainly two one salary matching the Heat outside of a mega
trade is so hard. You have to believe that they're just ready to trade
either Tyler Hero, Duncan Robinson or Kyle Lowry. And of those three,
I guess Lowry is the most expendable. But like he's been really useful for
them. Yeah, that's a relative term. He matters for them this year.
And so I honestly thought about this Jonte Murray because well I won't spoil,
but my whole thing with Murray was the salaries get weird unless it's just
Duncan Robinson. And so you I'm sure they'd welcome getting Hunter or bo Don
mcdonovich, But like, is that something that he want to do? Like
is that how they want to play their cards. It feels like they want
to go after maybe a Donovan Mitchell type or Michale Bridges or a lowry market
and if they become available, get al Dama, someone who could in a
pinch play some three. But you just want to play him next to Bam
a little bit of ball skills, smart player, can defend well enough,
can shoot the three ball, and so he's not gonna cost you this mega
salary matching type tool. And that's just where I landed on it. I'm
like, hey, Memphis should probably be open for business. So this wasn't
me trying to be cute. It really just spoke to how hard Miami was
for me well, and like without even considering what you're gonna do with you
know, as you mentioned Steven Adams and Brandon Clark, like you kind of
got this whole. Like it's not quite a long jam because nobody's like distinguished
themselves enough. But you got Zira Williams, you got Jake Loravey, you
got David Roddy. Like Aldama should probably play over those guys. But if
you're Memphis and you can get assets for him, I think just clearing the
decks a little bit probably has some value, right, Yeah, I would
agree, Yeah, I'd agree with you there too. All Right, Milwaukee
Bucks, arguably other than Denver maybe probably they are the harder team to come
up with a deal with. What'd you got? What do you get for
the Bucks reunion time? Javon Carter? Please, You've got salary to do
it. You could throw with some seconds in there that are available. You
just need point of attack defense. And he's also he'll shoot threes and make
threes and not enough. I would have loved him in Minnesota if he dribbled
a little bit more so he was almost my pick for Minnesota. But they
need someone who's going to be more of a shot creator, not just a
shot maker and defender, and I think he would be perfect for the Bucks.
And I think, look, if you have Joannison Brook on the floor,
you can absolutely play Javon Carter next to Damian Lillar. And it's just
like you look at a lot of smart people, principally Seth Partner has just
pointed out how like point of attack defense is just the issue for the Bucks,
and Javon Carter covers that pretty well. All Right, Minnesota Timberwolves,
which backup point guard have you sent them, If none Alec Berks, so
you can keep Jordan McLoughlin there, and you still the money to get Alec
Burks, who is a good pull up and catch and shoot three point shooter,
gives you some dribbling. We've seen the point guard stuff. He's hijacked
shit in Detroit. The point guard minutes in New York never went too well.
But like in a pinch, if you need him to, he can
do that. And he's on an expiring contract right now, so you're not
married to him beyond this season. And he's also someone who's not going to
cost you first round equity, which you don't have to trade anyway. So
I love his fit there, and I know he's been up and down in
Detroit this season, but again you're kind of scraping the dregs if you're Minnesota
right now. Do you want to guess what percentage according to Basketball Reference of
Alec Burks minutes were at point guard in his last year with the Knicks.
What percentage I will say forty seven percent? Oh well, thirty five percent,
which is a career high. That's Basketball Reference though, so I'm sure
he brought the ball up more than that, but also three stuff up quickly,
I type pass or it's all off rip right, Yeah, I knew
that. I know Alec Burks played thirty five percent of his minutes at the
one in twenty one twenty two. Just I know these are things I know.
Uh, I like that, especially because Nikile Alexander Walker is kind well,
because I like Nikhil Alexander Walker. Anyone who's listened to this podcast knows.
But he's kind of like also not totally a point guard, but they
let him dribble to So if you have both of them out there on second
units, that kind of works for me. Uh, New Orleans Pelicans?
What are we doing? I didn't. I wish you would have told me
that the text on the screen was too small for everybody to read, because
it makes me want to go back and redo this entire thing. I'm so
fucia. The window is if the window is normal size, you can see
it. Yeah, but I didn't know that the entire time, so I
shrunk it hopefully. Man, I'm annoyed right now. This is the audio
medium, mostly, don't worry about it. What are we We're on?
Too? Who the New Orleans Pelicans. All right, So the New Orleans
Pelicans. I'm going to ambition ambitious here because anyone they trade like has to
be someone who's worth moving Larry NaNs or Jonas valenciunis for as part of a
larger deal. In this player alone, there needs to be other moving parts.
I know they say he's untouchable, but give me Jalen Johnson, someone
who could play the five, give you some room protection next to Zion a
healthier well, he's about up some health issues, but he's a better shooter,
I would say at this point than Larry Nance can give you some playmaking
on the short roll. We'll set screens for you. Just take a shot,
and you do have to worry about his next contract, but you have
to worry about other contracts anyway. Trey Murphy brandon Ingram, this adds to
that equation, and I'm assuming, I guess it would cost you a bunch
of first round picks. Then we need to have a different conversation. I
just don't think that you're gonna be able to get Jared Allen this season.
And I know he's more of a he's expensive, but he's more cost controlled
than not. But I love the idea of just a versatile I would say
he's sort of like a combo forward and big where if you really wanted him
to be like sort of a quasi five, he could and would make for
some interesting closing unit options. Oh god, like if you could, if
if you could really play him at center, like a lot a large chunk
of the game that Pelicans lineup is so fun, right, like the athleticism,
the transitioning game, like he would be unbelievable, like nine point five
nine and a half parts per thirty six mostly as a four. You can
get away with that, I think, I mean, like he's not It's
not like Valentiunas is some you know, world renowned paint protector. I'm in.
I'm interested. And although, like the Hawks, the Huks might trade
Tree Young before they trade Jalen Johnson, it sounds like at this point you
have to be ambitious with New Orleans even just like Wendell Carter Junior doesn't make
a ton of sense, but he makes sense. But it's all right,
is he ever gonna? Maybe he closes for you sometimes, but do you
want it's just tough? Yeah, he's cost control. So have you had
to give up Valanciunas or Larry Nantz, who's cost controlled himself for him.
I get it. I just figured you how to aim huge. Yeah with
New Orleans. No, and it's good. Like a few teams have more
like good to very good players than New Orleans does. So you have to
be targeting someone that might just like, you know, be like landscape altering
for them, with which Johnson Johnson might be? All right? The New
York Knicks, who is their trade target? Oh? Are you ready for
this one? I don't know. Mcale bridges. Look, it's just time
to throw the kitchen sing. They are one of the teams I would say
a New Orleans or a Utah. Definitely, an OKAC could do this if
they wanted to create a trade market for a player. I think the Knicks
have the assets to also do that, and they're a team that, given
their current trajectory, is more likely to do that than a New Orleans than
an OKAC than a Utah right now, just to look, I mean og
McHale Bridges, Jalen Brunson and like, I don't I don't even care if
I would assume ju like is Julius Rannad still there? For the trade.
I don't care. Is nothing even genzol there, I don't care, Like
that's the that's the basis of something really special. And then I'm assuming Hartenstein
or Mitchell Robinson would still at least be left at the five, preferably both,
but Hartenstein for sure because he's healthy and Mitchel Robinson is not. Yeah,
so we're just out on Donovan Mitchell. That's that's what this this trait
is. You want. Look, if you're gonna go with a smaller back
court, it needs to I would, honestly, I'd prefer to Jeantay Murray
because of what he's gonna give you defensively at the point of attack. Interesting,
okay, yeah, Donovan Mitchell's defense. And I was thinking about him
in the context of like I was listening to the Low Post actually, and
they were talking about how Rudy Gobert got just crucified because he couldn't guard Terrence
Man in the corner, and the narrative arose that, like, nah,
it's call them also because Donovan Mitchell couldn't stay in front of anybody and you
had Boian Bodonovitch And there's also that's the narrative that kind of fucked with Royce
O'Neil. Everyone thought he was cooked and it was well, No, Royce
O'Neil just shouldn't have to defend every other team's best player, no matter which
position they play, right, all right, the Oklahoma City Thunder. Everything
is possible with this So I almost listed too, but I wanted to keep.
I'll talk about too. I'm gonna keep him. I'm gonna keep in
the spirit of this exercise. I went ambitious just because they have the assets
to do it. Yeah, Larry Marketing is the guy for them. He'll
help them with some of the rebounding. And I know their offense has been
great, but they also, per bibel on decks, have shot the easiest
three pointers of any team in the league. Now that says a lot about
how they are with driving, which Jay Gillis Alexander and Jaylen Williams can do.
I just can't guarantee that defenses aren't gonna be able to limit them once
they get to the playoffs. We won't know until we see is the caveat
there? Larry Marken inoculate you against a bunch of that, because he's either
going to be available to finish off of other people's drives, or he can
give you some secondary attacking yourself, or someone who could punish mismatches if you
need him to. I know that, Yes, now we're expensive, you
have to worry about his next deal. YadA, YadA, YadA. Title
windows are fickle and short. Now, folks, you get a player like
this if he's available, which he's not, which is why I want to
talk about two players. You figure out the rest later. I would talk
about another jazz player, though, I think that they could they roll the
Davias Bretons salary slot into someone who's more useful a rehabilization project, like a
John Collins. So yeah, he gives you some bounce and rebounding up front
if you're gonna use him, and then he's still on the books, comes
off before you get mega expensive. But if you want to make that big
trade, he could be used as that salary matcher there as well. When
you started saying another jazz player, I thought you were gonna say Walker Kessler,
and I got really, really irrationally intrigued about watching him and Chet Holmgren
just refuse to allow shots inside seventeen feet. That would be exciting. Orlando
Magic we've traded away Wendell Carter Junior. Not that that matters for this,
but what are you getting for the magic? I thought about Dejane Murray here,
but I ultimately think it's not just they need a for general. They
need someone who's gonna open up the floor. That's Terry Rozier this season,
who's shooting about a trillion percent on pull up three pointers, gets them off
in volume. He can work on the ball, but he can also work
off the ball, which is great news for a Franz Wagner, Apaullo Bancaro.
If you do want to run some stuff through Wendell Carter Junior, should
you keep him? And he's also if you go after de Jontay Murray,
he's under contract for another four years, whereas Terrors, you're slightly more expensive
off rip, but he's only under contract for another two years and they're mostly
guaranteed years, so it's just two years fifty plus million. You can handle
that salary structure because he comes off the books. As Wagner and Banco start
to get expensive and your course starts to get expensive, and you have you
get a little bit small at points, depending on what lineups you're running out,
but you're so big upfront, it doesn't matter. Jalen Suggs is I
think he's on my All defense team. So far, he's been one of
the ten best defensive players. To me, it just makes a lot of
sense. And you have the ability just with Volts and Isaac and Gary Harris.
You don't need to give up any one of long term value to salary
match here. And I don't think he costs a kit and kaboodle, knowing
how much he's owed over the next two seasons. No, I like that
fit a lot as like the lower cost alternative to some of the price of
your guys Orlando could potentially target for you know, shooting specifically in the back
court. I would also just say that if the Hornets, if Terry Rozier
is on the Hornets through the trade deadline, like what do we do guys,
because like I think, he just has so many It's a weird situation
where there are a lot of teams that kind of need offense generating shooting guards,
which is like what when has that player type in vogue over the last
decade. It's like now's the time. So if Charlotte doesn't get value for
him. They should they should sell the team again. Philadelphia seventy six ers
are up next. What are we doing with them? I went with bog
Don Bogdanovic to get them someone who, yes, he's on the books in
the next season, but they could use some more shooting and shot creation in
their rotation. And you can still carve out a MAX slot while carrying Maxi's
cap hold in the next year. And I just think, what are you
saying in that cap space for anyway, it's probably gonna be the trade market.
And so it was the trademarking you don't need more than that one max
slot. Really, he helps you right now, someone who I think would
play in a lot of your most important playoff lineups. I would just be
curious to be to see. Okay, I'm assuming just one first round pick
would do the trick? Are you okay doing that? Knowing you to kind
of exhaust your stores to go out and trade for a star. I kind
of think it's been oversold with Phillies able to trade to get a star in
the first place. So I think he's a great fit. And there are
other routes that they could go here, but I think he feels kind of
a multitude of needs for them both this year and leading into next season,
and like, correct me if I'm wrong, But like Patrick Beverley is,
basically, if Maxie is not bringing the ball up, it's it's him,
right, Like, if you're the Melton, you have Kellybridge Junior might think
he's that guy, Kelly. Is that what you want to base your lineup
decisions off of who Kelly Huber thinks he is. I think the if you're
the Sixers and you're you know, obviously they've got like multi year things to
consider, but just for this year, I mean, if you're a playoff,
if you're trying to win in the second round hypothetically, which is sometimes
a big ask for the Sixers, like maybe you want someone out there the
defenses are a little more concerned about than Patrick Beverley if Maxie is not on
the floor. So that's another good one. The Phoenix Suns, please tell
me you're finding a point guard for them. So actually I struggled between Joy
Settle on a wing a guard, and so I did both with Io Desummu.
He's dealing with the shoulder injury right now. His role in Chicago has
not been massive. Still I think under twenty minutes per game normally. This
is someone who could defend just numerous positions, not gonna give you like too
much creation, but knows how to maintain his dribble and can do stuff in
the lane, especially if you're gonna give him the space. And I think
he can play well off others. And I think the defensive element is important
there too, because ultimately I can't bring I would have if you asked me
to choose, I would have went with a wing because I can't bring myself
to care knowing you have Devin Booker, just like when you have Bo and
Durant, and like the turnal free will be fine, your crunch tinn offense
will be fine. Can get someone in there who's gonna give you He's not
huge, but he's gonna give you wing defense like he could. He could
basically switch one through four if you need him to. Now the ask you
can get to salary match him. I think it's basically nots little and like
another salary or two might get you there, so it doesn't have to be
Grayce and Allen is seconds enough to get him, and I honestly I don't
know, Like I said, he's not playing it in Chicago, and if
they're not moving Levine, if they want to keep the Rosen, I just
don't know how much they covet him. He would be super interesting to me
though. In Phoenix. Yeah, I like that. I mean the the
plus minus for Goodwin is like is rough and it's not just all on him,
but like, I think you just need some upgrade there. I think
that works. The Portland Trailblazers, which which year's first round picks do you
have as their trade target? No? First round picks? Just wo was
myn Jang guy? I just don't one. Who are you setting to OKC?
Because they did invest three three first round picks and Jang and I still
believe in him. The other night, he comes in in garbage time against
the Clippers when they wave the white white leg and he just tries to throw
this just daring do pass that has no chance of reaching its intended target.
Who I forget what it was. It was of course intercepted by the Clippers,
but I'm just like, this dude has feel it could be a playmaker.
But he's not part of a team right that's trying to win. Now,
he would play a bunch in Portland. I presume who is decimated beyond
comprehension, he might be there starting five. Well, backup Viebine doop breath
right now giving me eight and injuries. Even Jabari Walker's played a bunch for
that team. We know Robert Williams the thirds out for the season. I
don't know what it takes to get him. And if you're Portland, you
don't give up a first round pick. But if it's like you know,
part of a three team trade where you're sending Anthony Simons to Orlando or something
and there's other stuff being worked out there, that's the type of talent you
need to be taking flyers on. Yeah, I mean he's only twenty,
Like I mean, the Thunder should want to keep him. But you said
already, like championship windows are finite. Maybe you get something you can use
a near term for jing Sacramento Kings find some defense. Please. I'm still
shook that I ruined the visual element of this for people on YouTube to the
first two thirds of this or whatever it was, So I apologize again the
Sacramento Kings, though I really wanted to find like a bigger wing that suited
them. I couldn't. I'm going with Alex Caruso, just point of attack
defense if you want to downsize, which, by the way, so I
had Caruso for the Kings and herd Her for the Bulls, Like, let's
make a deal here, let's do it. So you could just place a
bonus at the five and have Keegan Murray and then just like Caruso, Herder
and Fox. If herd her is still part of this team after that trade,
I don't know if he I don't know if he would be. He
just gives you a bunch of what you need. I know, defense isn't
their only issue right now. His offensive volume could also pose different problems for
the Kings. This is someone who I think would play in some of their
most important playoff lineups where it gets a little Harry is, well, you
have the League Monk, and then you have Fox and Crusoe. Fuck it,
I'll play all three of them together. I don't care if Herder's out
in this deal. You play those three with Kegan Murray, it's a bonus.
Let's just see what happens. And if Monk's not hitting, which happens
every third game, Like you close with Caruso and is somewhat not offensively so
much, but he's insurance against Monk leaving in free agency. They have his
early bird right, so they should keep him. But if they don't want
to pay him, that's good insurance because you have Cruso cost control for another
year. Yeah, all right, we have four teams left. I haven't
done this yet, but I kind of there's a few names that you haven't
said yet that I thought you might by now. So can I guess your
Spurs and you can just tell me that I'm wrong as long as the guest
is not de Jontay Murray. It's not John Saint Murray. Did you use
him yet? You didn't use him yet? You know what, We'll go
go ahead? Is it Tias Jones for the Spurs? It ties job?
Yeah? Look, Trey Jones is starting, so he can continue to start
bring tie us off the bench. But like the numbers with Wemby and Trey
on the court together are filthy. And do you know, first of all,
do you know what eever digging set is for a team that sucks as
hard as the Spurs do this year? It gets beat by ten per possessions?
Yeah, every night yeah, that ties to the equations. Who's gotten
through some stretches of like scoring heaters, which would also help you. Now
you could do whatever you want, tie us off the bench, tray off
the bench. There's always a flour general who doesn't have to dominate the action
you want to fringe upon. You know, Devin Vessel getting his Jeremy Sell
and getting his whatever you feel about Keldon Johnson limits you'r you know, having
to try out the Blake Wesley card at the moment, and I do.
Look, I would give up that's Charlotte pick, that's lottery protected before turning
into two seconds. I think in twenty five I would do that plus your
salary for Tyas Jones and a heartbeat if I'm san Antonio. All right,
so we got three teams left. Toronto Raptors are up next. Are you
sending de Jonte Murray to the Raptors? I am not. I'm sending Johnathan
Isaac to the Raptors because I love it. They kind of need the big
and you have Bruce Brown now, so I don't like. Is that the
salary shunning out or is it something else? I just think you can't count
on him to play a ton of minutes. The Magic know of this.
They're kind of set up front, and maybe instead of trading Mendel Carter Junior,
you trade Jonathan Isaac, who's probably not gonna be long for your team
anyway, and just Toronto kind of needs just more dudes up front all of
a sudden, who aren't eighty. I know they have Fad Young and Otto
Porter Junior is what is he like? Thirty one going on eighty? With
his injury history, he would give you some nice, you know, defensive
structure there, especially with Yaka pearl Out. I'd be curious what the package
would look like. It feels like there'd be a third team there, but
I love the idea as a player. Jonathan Isaac in Toronto, All right,
are you sending Kyle Kuzmer to the Utah Jazz? I am not.
I'm sending do Jon de Martin. Just kidding. I thought so de Jean
deay Murray could go here, and I'm gonna tell you why I didn't before
I reveal who I did. Utah is playing so well. I mean someone
who doesn't come in and like needs the ball as much. He would help
their defense and he makes so much sense in some of their better lineups,
and like, you know, having Keante, George should have learned underneath him.
But then I'm like, well, the Jean de Murrigs want a contract
for four more years, you could reflip him, but does he stand in
the way of George at all? You're probably not playing those two together.
You could, but I don't know how often you are. This team needs
like wings, combo forward or combo wing types, and so they have the
picks to create their own trade market, which is why they staid Patrick Williams.
He would be fun as hell on this team for what he can do
defensively, and you can you can actually look at his offensive flashes and not
need them to be signs of something more sustainable because of what else you have
on on this roster. You don't really have to worry about paying him illustrated
free agency because you just can. I'd just be curious what's the pickeck,
what he would take. I almost just feel like even if it was two
firsts and it's none of your primetime first I would consider it if I'm in
Utah. And plus, like you know, anytime Patrick Williams shows up on
a team, it means you're about to trade Lowry Markinen. So uh,
that might just you know, to set the wheels in motion for some bad
decisions in Utah. All right, we have one team left. This is
the Washington Wizards. You can't trade them Kyle Cuzmi because he's already there.
You can't trade them to Jonte Murray because nobody as good as Murray deserves that.
So who are you sending to Washington? I am sending Killian Hayes.
Just take a flyer on it. I mean, they need a guard of
the future. I don't think it's Killian Hayes, but he's someone who gives
a shit about defense, and he can make some plays in the pocket,
and he does go through these stretches where it's like, whoa Killian Hayes is
a mid range jumper. Now it's he's here, He's for real. H
So and look look get the floater going down? Or oh my god,
did he reach the rim and actually finish? Why not? Just why not?
So it's it's what do you have to lose here? And Detroit wats
players who are good and so could you see them being interested in like Kyle
Kuzma. So you're using him and like you're getting Killian Hayes and something else
back. You probably want an actual first round pick. Uh, but Hayes
is not long for Detroit and he's gonna be a restricted free agent this year.
Like just take a flop like this is it's sort of just like the
Charlotte Path where you could have slotted davy On Mitchell here. I would say
you could slot Dennis Smith junior here, you could you can slot whoever hears.
Just Killian Hayes is younger and intriguing on defense to me, I think
too, if you could get the Pistons to include James Wiseman and reunite him
with Jordan Poole, you could just get that second timeline just up and running
real quick. Yeah, then you got trade for community at that point,
right, And just like you have the genesism you already and you don't have
Ryan Rollins anymore due to shoplifting. Uh, but you've got a lot of
warriors, guys. I think that makes it. I was so wild by
the way he's like stealing. It feels like essentials, and so it's like,
did he need the money? He's making seven figures? So is that
is that I I want to know more, but then I also don't because
like, no matter what the actual truth of it is, it'll be like
a bummer, So I don't. I kind of don't want to know more
about it. Uh. I'm amazed you didn't know. So you did move
Jeremy Grant. You did not move to Jontay Murray or Kyle Kuzma. I'm
trying to think who those are. Kind of the the Kyle Kuzma thing is
really just it's hard to find a fit that you love because I like him
in Sacramento and I liked him in Memphis before their entire team just like died.
Basically, did you consider Malcolm Brogden or Anthony Simon's for anybody? I
had? So I had Brogden going to Houston at first, and then I
decided that I liked Boyon there more. I did have de Jontay going to
Brooklyn at one point instead of Tray, and then I said, fuck this,
like let's be a little bit more because I just know the nets are
in the middle, so why are they doing that? Uh? And Dejontay
was like fit so many places. He was the one where I was like
I should put him somewhere, but it I got it, like, and
him back to the Spurs is just like that's I would do it, don't
get me wrong, but it just didn't feel realistic. Yeah, it's a
weird one like it it makes sense, but then it's also like, what
was the point of all this? Honestly, I'm kind of all aboard just
trying him out in New York that if it wasn't if I wasn't gonna go,
you know, throw the kitchen sting for Michael Bridges, I would have
considered doing that. Yeah, excellent job by you. I I appreciate these
so much because I suck at this really badly and I just get tired of
coming up with trade candidates. So I hope it was enjoyable. I'm so
so. I spent like not too much time with the visual but I thought
the visual element made so much sense, and then I fucked it up to
the first half by trying to split my screen. But you got you gotta
let it go. You can read it. It's I'm gonna get our screens
sorted here as we get into some Guessa players. So are you able to
to start us off with with Guessa players? Yes, this I'm to use
beer riches from discord. I'm going to like give a preamble on it,
but I think it's better if I don't. All right, number one,
Clue number one, do you need to get into the mind of a psychopath?
Or is that just a bit that I get to? Yeah, I
need to get okay, all right, I think I'm ready, all right,
Number one. I was drafted in the late first round in the mid
two thousands. I was a double double guy for much of my career.
That's not good down to he was an early first rounder first of all.
In the nineties, I was a clue number two. I was a two
time All star, once in each conference. In my second all star season,
I was shockingly top twenty in wind shares, which contradicts some of the
perception that I was an empty calorie stat stuffer. Did they mention the position
in the first clue? No, just that he's a double double guy,
so you're you're gonna although it doesn't say what kind of double double. Well,
I don't want to lead you astray with that, all right. Clue
number three, and you only have five clues. Clue three, I should
have been a classic stretch four but I didn't actually stretch as I totaled twenty
nine attempted threes in my career and I made one. Remember they drafted late
mid two thousands. Sorry, I should have been a stretch four. I
got nothing I want to. I'm going to look up the draft year just
to be just. I'll give you the draft year two thousand and six.
Oh sorry, two thousand and five draft. It's not a March datam a.
No, two thousand and five is too late. Ahead. Yeah too.
During high school, this was the clue I would get it on if
this were me. I think during high school my claim to fame was beating
James White in the two thousand and one McDonald's All American Dunk Contest, which
looking back, was a complete outrage. I can give you some background on
this one. This is not a part of the clue, but in fairness,
I will give it to you because you're gonna get it on the next
clue. So James White did a two handed dunk from the free throw line,
which it's like in standard definition is the only way you can see it.
And then this person I think, threw a lob to himself from the
right corner took his shirt off and then reverse dunked it and won over James
White. Dunking from the free throw line with two hands and the rim I'm
fairly sure was like nine foot four, because every dunk in this contest like
was obscene. So I don't know if that helps you too much. No,
it doesn't help me at all. But that's an interesting anecdote. All
right, Was it all right me agreeing to come off the bench kickstarted a
dynasty in the mid to late twenty tens. Oh no, let's see,
I don't know I would. I'm gonna take issue. Why did I say
ray alln Wow? Also I'm trying to think, oh yeah. Also,
in this email from be Rich, he doesn't even tell me who the player
is. I just know it from the clues. Uh, So I would
say that I don't know that he agreed to come off the bench. I
believe it was a hamstring injury in training camp that allowed another power forward to
start ahead of him for this blossoming dynasty, and that power forward basically completely
it is David Lee. You got it. I do not know that dunking
story about David Lee. That's what got me. You can go on YouTube
and look up James White David Lee Dunk Contest and you'll see it. You'll
you'll barely see it because it is not an HD. I'm pretty sure as
I recall, Oh my god, all right, let's see, I got
uh, I got several more here? You want to rotate? Sure,
go ahead, all right, This one's for Mike hrnishon clue number one,
I played at Georgia Tech with Chris Bosh, m Jared Jack's too old?
Is it? It's not Jered Jack? Is Jack? Come on, Mike,
what's up? Seven clues that you gotta That's gotta be some sort of
you want to read? We already of the clues really good? Would you
like to read him? This was just a blast in the past one where
I clue number two as I competed for the starting point guard position of my
first NBA stop with the likes of Wan Dixon, Sebastian Telfair and Steve Blake.
Oh see, I wouldn't have got it off of that one. I
think that when you would have gotten it on. I retired in the G
League playing for theig Nite, being a player, coach and mentor to Jalen
Green and Jonathan kaminga me, yeah, yeah, great mustache. Had you
mentioned just the pencil mustache, sir Jack had, that would have been a
good clue. Also, if you can see on right now, he's an
assistant somewhere. I just saw him the other night. I also think this
is going to be a deep cut. But he is a inssistant with the
Detroit Pistons, so I don't know if he has a future as a coach,
but I think you might have been an extra on white collar, as
like a bodyguard. What are you kidding? That clue would not have helped
me. No, the clue I would have give you if you didn't get
one of the seven was I threw a full court heave that sailed over the
backboard in massive square Guarden. I think he also made the pass to Draymond
Green for a layup that beat the heat in Miami, like in twenty thirteen
when everybody was kind of like are the Warriors good? And that was like
one of the former one of the biggest wins. I think it was him
that made the pass for a game winning layup that Draymond hit against the heat
in my like the heatles in Miami, all Right, let's see I okay,
I'm gonna give you one from Mike here too, if I can pull
it up. All right, let me make sure I know it, okay.
Number one. I was drafted outside the lottery in nineteen ninety six.
Everybody knows you love these nineties draft guys. Number two. I joined the
NBA at age twenty one in nineteen ninety eight after playing internationally from the age
of sixteen, So he's in the league. In ninety eight, Clue number
three. As a rookie, I averaged eight points a game in a lockout
shortened season, with not so great shooting splits of thirty eight, thirty two,
eighty five. This would not become the norm. Over the next six
seasons. This is Clue four. I became the best three point shooter in
the NBA, including four seasons over forty percent from deep, my best season
coming in three to oh four, where I shot forty three percent from three
and averaged twenty four points per game. Twenty four points per game after playing
overseas all right. Clue number five. In two thousand and five, I
was traded to Indiana after the team that drafted me entered what would be a
lengthy rebuild. Emphasis on lengthy clue number six. I then signed a large
deal at the time with the Hornets five for sixty four, where I played
for four years before getting shipped out for Marcus Banks and Jared Jack. There
he is again to the Raptors. Jamal Mashburn. No. Clue seven.
I only played two games north of the border before getting out. I'll go
right to clue eight. I signed with the MAVs in twenty eleven, but
was not a part of the title team as a neck injury ended my career.
Oh I thought he did get a ring there. Yeah, so he
got that ring. He just didn't play. I want to make it.
Oh my god, I know this the guy that was Oh man, I'm
gonna have to I'm gonna have to cry uncle on this. I think that's
this is gonna bug me once I hear it. I know it. So
if it helps it all. He did play in that postseason in twenty eleven
for Dallas. I think the clue said Dallas, so that's not giving it
away. He only played like a like twenty six minutes in the finals,
though, what was a first what was a so going back, he drafted
outside the lottery in ninety six. It didn't come over till ninety eight.
Shot it badly initially, but then was just like one of the best three
point shooters like of that era. A bunch of no good that's that's a
good guess though, I can give you. If I give you the team
that he was like great for, you'll just get it. I think the
best the clue that might get you there is like starting in like the team
was good in the very early two thousands, and then in five went into
a period of like one of the longest playoff droughts in professional sports history.
So the Kings, But I still I still got who's the when you think
of the Kings and you think of like Pakovich, Oh my god, there
you go, Mike, try to get you with uh. He wasn't a
part of the title team for his last clue. Uh. Okay, this
one's also from Mike. Clude number. There's only five clues on this,
Oh clue one. I was a highly recruited wing out of the state of
Wisconsin in the mid twenty tens. Wisconsinant highly recruited wing. Okay, clue
too, I attended Oh go ahead, No, I was just I was
like, I don't know high school recruits, but go ahead. Clue two.
I attended UCLA for one year, where I moved from playing the three
to be more of a combo forward. Twenty ten's UCLA from Wisconsin combo forward.
M Okay, I don't got it. Clue three. I was drafted
by the Warriors after one year in college. Oh, okay, a Warrior
drafted out of UCLA. Oh, this is Kevon Looney. Correct the last
two clues where I became a small ball center for Golden State after my first
season. At the time of the decision, I was the six string center,
and then it Clue five, it worked out. Okay. I've played
my whole career with the Dubs and won three titles. Okay. Looney is
one of those guys where they always talk about how, oh, he was
a guard until he grew or whatever. That's why he's such a good passer
as a Warrior's facilitator. Okay, I'm gonna go. Let's see. I
think I got a rubikscal one here, and then I got a couple more
from from Mike. But let's see, I have a Rubikscal one, and
then there's two from b rich that we should get to for you. Okay,
do you want to save him for the next one? You want to
just all right, yeah, this is rubik scal one. Let's see.
I want to make sure I don't step on this by Okay, this the
category because rubik Scout gives you a gives you a guess the player colon,
and then like a little hints as a category or whatever. So I guess
the player colin Enforcer Number one, E Donnis Haslam is getting his number forty
retired by the Heat on January nineteenth. I'm the only other number forty to
be retired by an NBA team. That's I very much doubt that's going to
help you. But ignore the ABA era Nuggets big man Byron Beck, who
played mostly in the ABA. Again immaculately researched guess a player clues here.
Number two, I was a four time All Star, and I also have
a rebounding title. I had seven consecutive seasons averaging more than ten rebounds per
game. You don't have an area yet, so that's gonna be tricky.
I don't know if I think you'll get an error here at some point.
All right, Number three, like you Donnis. My reputation was that of
an enforcer, though compared to me, Eudonis comes across as a saint.
Yeah, all right, I wanna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna read you
this clue. I'm gonna so it's kind of funny. Number four. My
father was an executive at Owen's Illinois Incorporated, and when he rose to the
position of company president, I joked that I was the only player in the
NBA to make less money than my father. Uh Earl Lambier, Holy shit?
Yeah, how'd you? How did that clue get it for you?
Just because that felt like the whitest person clue uh possible? So I was
like white enforcer who is the Tyler Hansborough of yesteryear? And Bill Lambier really
good? Oh man, I almost didn't read that clue. Okay, let's
see. Yeah. The next one was I have five rings, two as
a player and three as a coach. This is the little tricky and Ruby
Sky does admit that that clue is tricky because those three as a coach are
w NBA title rings because he was the coach. Uh. I would have
gotten like in a heartbeat if that it was w NBA like clarified. All
right, uh yeah, good job you got that has got to be the
guess that you got. Jack on the clue of what was it? I
played at Georgia Tech with Chris Box, Like what the fuck? Man?
I would tell you, all right, why don't you give me one and
I'll pull up one from from micro This one's from Ruby scal There are thirteen
clues. What now, I'm putting my phone down to attention. It's knock
knocked. This is number thirty two that shows you the leg where Ruby Skull
has been putting it in for us. The roof was never quite the ceiling.
The roof wait, so it knock knocked. The roof was never quite
the ceiling. Rubyscal calls these knock knocks like the guess of players to me,
okay, and this one like what the colon is? The roof was
never quite the ceiling. Clue number one, I mean we're trying to unpack
that already, is like, what's this gonna be? All right? Go
ahead, sorry, Clue number one. I am the ultimate floor razor,
but the ceiling was always just a little bit out of reach. Okay.
Clue two. The cavaliers before me zero playoffs in sixth season seasons The Cavaliers
with me this is CLU three playoffs in year one, lost in the first
round. CLU four. The Warriors before me zero playoffs in ten years Clue
five The Warriors with me the playoffs in year one, lost to the La
Lakers in the conference semis CLU six Team X before me two consecutive forty one
and forty one seasons, Clue seven Team X with me seven seasons, seven
playoff appearances, second most number of wins in the NBA behind Team Y in
that period. Four division titles, two time best record in the Western Conference,
two conference finals appearances, one NBA Finals appearance, zero wings, zero
rings. We lost the team? Why in six games? So close?
Yet so far? Hold on, I have to pack you. So this
Cavaliers don't win? Then are good? Warriors don't win? Then make the
conference finals against the Lakers? Was that with the Lakers? Conference semis with
the Lakers? So that could just be last year. But it can't be
right because no, because why would this wouldn't be Steve Kerr? No,
Uh, what the hell? Uh? And then what that was a long
clue? You just read like eight playoff trips and A finals and something with
you seven seasons, seven consecutive playoff appearances, the second most number of wins
in the NBA behind Team Why in that period, four division titles twice,
they had the best record in the Western Conference. Two conference finals appearances,
one an NBA Finals appearance, zero ring. I'm like swimming and I think
this the next set might get get it for you, okay. Clue eight
The Bucks before me zero playoff appearances in seven years. Clue nine The Bucks
with me the playoffs four times in five years, plus the conference finals appearance.
Uh uh wait, No, I don't know. The Cavs has thrown
me. I don't know when. I don't know when we are. That's
that's what's killing me. God, I don't I don't think I have it,
Okay. Clue ten, Team Z tore me one playoff appearance in nine
years. Team Z with me nine seasons, nine playoff appearances, three division
titles, including the team's first division title in eighteen years, one conference finals,
and they lost the eventual champs in three It says three seasons, but
I don't really know what that would be. We'd be We've covered like thirty
years, so think longevity. Well, it can't be a player that like,
can it? Right? Is this okay? It's a coach? Does
that help you? Okay? Yeah it does. So the Warriors thing,
I don't know where the Cleveland thing, but you got Milwaukee and you got
Golden State. I mean, is it just we've done Don Nelson before though?
Right? It's not Don Nelson, is it? No? So we
went Calves, we went Warriors, and then another West team? Is it
Rick Adelman? It is not Rick Adaman. Calman didn't coach the Cavs.
That's a bad guess. I can't give you team extra team Z because I
just feel like you'll know it well, just going Calves, Warriors and then
some other really good Western conference team? You said, was that? Was
that eight seasons or whatever of seasons seven second with a number of wins in
the NBA during that time behind I'll tell you who team why is? Okay?
Maybe you'll get the time period. The best The team with the most
record, most wins during those seven seasons were the Chicago Bulls. And it's
a coach, you're telling me, yeah, haves Warriors, Bulls. I
feel like I should just get it because I don't know who's coached all those
teams. I can give you the next two clues. Okay, Clue twelve
Sacramento was a disappointment, my only sub five hundred season excluding partial seasons since
my rookie year. George Carl, correct, do you want to know what
clue thirteen was? Sure? I think it's high time to tell Grant that
this was a guess a coach, not guess a player, don't you Well,
it's like when you cover four decades of we're the worth of wins.
I should have picked up on it. I don't think I knew the Cleveland
I don't know if I could have told you George Carl coached the Cavs.
So what it was? So the team X and Z. Team X was
the Sonics, TMZ was the Nuggets, and so it's just like I would
have done it. Yeah, okay, Yeah, the Cavs thing is a
great clue because that totally threw me off. I couldn't think of who went
from Cleveland to Golden State to anywhere. Okay, man, that's a tough
one, all right, I got a I got one from Mike here,
all right. Ooh, I don't know if you're gonna get that one.
Thanks for the vote of confidence. I think it's just outside. I'll try
you want to try it? This can? I give you the first clue
and then you decide if you want to do this one? All right?
I was drafted in nineteen ninety out of UTEP. Yeah, let's do it.
Why not? Okay? Number two. I didn't make my NBA debut
until nineteen ninety three with the Pacers, having played three years overseas. Number
three, Uh no, I think no, you're I don't first all we
went to Michigan. Please, I don't want to give you any more.
I don't want to comment on that anymore to tell you whether you're in the
right era or not. Number three. I played with the Pacers for six
years. However, after losing two straight Eastern Conference finals, I requested a
trade for more playing time elsewhere. Antonio Davis boom three clues. Good job.
I wonder if I'm just reading head. I was traded in Toronto for
Jonathan Bender. Do you remember Jonathan Bender? Oh? I remember jan Bender.
I wonder if he's gonna mention Trace Jackson Davis. Oh no, that's
Dale Davis. I got the Davis is mixed up. Okay, man,
it's kind of a hot one for you that you get it in three running
through my veins. COVID makes your brain work good. All right? From
be Rich? All right, I'll be one from be Rich and if you
have another one, and then we'll do one from be Rich and wrap it
up. Okay, uh okay. Clue one. I was drafted in the
lottery in the early two thousands after attending high school in both Wisconsin and Maine.
Then we did this one. We did this one because I remember,
I thought I too, from be Rich. We did do this one.
I remember Maine because I joked Cooper Flag and then it wasn't Cooper Flag.
But now I can't remember who the player was. Should we just do it
again? And does it bring it back? In immaculate grid All Star?
I played for nine teams during my fourteen year career. Yep, still don't
remember, even though I think I got this one, averaging fourteen points five
boards for my career. Is a two time All Star in the late two
thousands in both my All Star season. Oh yeah, nickname tough Juice.
This is Croon Butler. See I was gonna take me forever to get it
again. Oh okay, so I we did this last week. I couldn't
remember who was we did guess a player last I'm sorry. The COVID really
has fun with my brain. I'm did it at some point because I remember
getting because you said, uh, I think of Straws when I think of
him because he choose on straw Right, You're right, Okay, so clue
one. I was a lottery pick in the mid two thousands, but I
was I was never a teammate of Greg Buckner's. Oh damn it. My
whole bit, my whole bit that I thought of before we recorded today was
right when you said the first clue of the first one, I was gonna
yell Greg Buckner, and I forgot. I'll do it another time. Damn
it. I forgot. Okay, lottery pick in the mid two thousands,
did not play with Greg Buckner. Now I've really it's zeroed in now clue
too. At twenty years old, in thirty five games, I had a
plus twenty six net rating for one hundred possessions per Basketball Reference. Okay,
that I got nothing from that one. Two years later, I won the
first of back to back NBA titles and started every regular season game I was
healthy for during those two seasons. Ooh, mid two thousands started, You're
gonna get it on the next clue. Okay, we'll just give me the
next one. Then a few years after that, in twenty twelve, I
was a key player in a four team trade including Josh McRoberts, Al Harrington,
Jason Richardson, Chris Duhan, Andre Gadala, and Dwight Howard. Oh
uh, Andrew Bynam correct. Two years later, I was out of the
league at the age of twenty six, as the modern NBA made me extinct.
After that one, I was gonna just mention bowling and see if you
would that that was such a weird Do you remember there was like buying them
watch for a while because he kept changing his hair and everybody's like, what's
wrong with the fanfare of him being in Philly. Yeah, that was a
weird moment. I don't I don't know why that stands out to me so
much, of like because he sort of like was kind of done playing basketball,
right, He just like decided he was over it. Yeah, Okay,
Andrew behind him tried to kill JJ Burrew one time. All right.
I got a couple more from Mike Okay, I like this one clue.
Number one. I was a point guard drafted out of Wake Forest. There
have been a few of those. Uh, do you want to just take
a shot out of way for us Chris Paul that that is the best guess
that is not the correct guests Number two. Oh no, he went to
duke my number two. My first two seasons in the league, I was
a bit player for the Hawks, starting ten combined games. Number three.
My third year, I started to break out, becoming a regular starter and
averaging one point six steals. You're gonna need a year here. Number four.
In twenty fourteen, I was voted an All Star, but wasn't the
most shocking selection, even on my own team. There were four of us
Jeff Tigue is correct, Kyle Korra or was that the other most shocking one?
I guess I think probably because it was, well, who was it
that didn't get Was it Damari Carroll was not an All Star? Or was
it who was the Yeah? Was that it was? Because it was Corver,
Horford, Millsap and Tigue? Right, yeah, right? And then
what do they win? Like sixty some sixty something? Then they just got
to truck they got just just that was you know what that And there began
the narrative of Mike Budenholzer awesome system coach during the regular season, not so
hot in the playoffs after that. Uh, you want to take us out
of here for this? Sure, I'll save this. I got another one
from Mike, but I'm gonna save it because I really liked this player and
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Hopefully everybody. They're so fun. I just hope that people outside Discord enjoy
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