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into the day's episode. It's gonna be kind of a treat for folks today.
We're gonna talk a little bit about wireways, metal wireways, now metallic
wireways, and it'll kind of just I'm just gonna give you a blurb about
when a wireway is used as an auxiliary gutter. Yeah, so a lot
of people think that a wireway and an auxiliary gutter, and now how they're
used is different. Okay, and of course today we're gonna be talking really
about how to size a wireway. Okay, so that's kind of the topic
for today that was asked of me, said, Paul, could you please
explain how to size wireway one when all the conductors ended are the same size,
and then of course what happens if they're different sizes that you know you're
gonna put in there because you know what you're going to be running to,
whatever equipment it is. How do you make sure that your wire away is
sized properly at that point? So that's what we're going to talk about into
the day's episode. I don't know how long it's going to go, but
I'm gonna try to give you as much information as I can. I know
that a lot of you listen to this on the road on the job site
and your headphones, and again we want to give you some education, kind
of give you something to take away. Maybe you've never installed a wire away,
or maybe you've ever installed an auxiliary gutter. Okay, so the topic
of the day is not about the auxiliary gutter. We'll have that for a
different episode. We're really focused on the question about sizing wireways. But I
figured I could not get into this topic without making it clear what the difference
is. Okay, So when we talk about metal wireways, whether it's non
metallic or metallic, the key difference is that one is made of sheet metal
and the other is flame retardant plastic, if you will. Non a non
metallic wireway would be like a PVC or some type of flame retardant material.
Right, So you've got metal, and you've got what's not metal, And
what is a wireway used for. Well, it's it's a trough with hinged
or removable cover for housing and protecting electrical wires and cables, and in which
conductors are laid in place, Okay, laid in place after the raceway has
been installed as a complete system. So again one big difference is that the
wireways are raceways, okay. And an auxiliary gutter is not. So now
an auxiliary gutter and it differs from a wireway in a sense that when you
think of an auxiliary gutter, it's doing what it's auxiliary, it's adding additional
space. Right. It's the easiest way that I can can tell you now,
a wireway itself, whether it's you know, two inches by two four
by four, six by six, eight by eight, whatever your dimensions are
of your wireway, okay, can serve as an auxiliary gutter. Okay.
So that's one of the key things to remember. Now they have, you
know, a non metallic auxiliary gutters, and they have metallic or metal auxiliary
gutters the same as you know, obviously the same as the wireway, Okay,
the key difference. And you look at a definition and in the twenty
twenty three edition of the National Metrical Code, all those definitions from article three
sixty six, three seventy six three seven day, all of that gets moved
to article one hundreds. That's another example of why it's just makes so much
more sense if jurisdictions would just adopt the latest edition so people don't get confused.
There's not enough mind blowing changes that are going to cause people to have
confusion. Really, it's just a buratic bs that around the country. That's
that's all it really is. Once that new code comes out, give you
six months to adapt, people get ready, and then damn it, adopt
the new code. But you know, it's it's a politics thing. It's
a chest pounding thing. State to state. Usually we have people that are
in position to make these changes. Really don't have a damn clue what they're
doing anyway, so that's why it gets marred and all this bs electrician just
as like, dude, I'm ready to just go. I'm ready to go.
Just next editions here, get my new fresh codebook and let me just
get it, okay anyway. Auxentary gutters is a sheet metal same as before
for a metal wireway. It is a sheet metal enclosure used to supplement wire
space at meter centers, distribution centers, switch gear switchboards, and similar points
in the wiring system. The enclosure has hinge or removable covers okay, just
like a wireway okay, movable covers, housing and for protecting electrical wires,
cables, and bus bars. The enclosure is designed for conductors to be laid
or set in place after the enclosure has been installed as a complete system.
So typically an auxiliary gutter is adding additional supplemental wiring space for routing four things
like meter centers, distributors, and centers. Switch gear switchboards are similar like
that, So you could use a mental wireway as an auxiliary gutter to supplement
the space for those types of equipment. Okay, but Typically we see wireways
just installed separately for raceways that are enter into it, so the conductors can
change route direction or whatnot like that. But usually the biggest difference that helps
people visualize this is that wireways are not Typically when we're looking at at as
wireways, they're not trying to achieve supplemental wiring space for a meteor enclosure or
distribution equipment. Okay, that would be more like an auxiliary gutter, which
could be made to the same material. Okay, So what we're looking at
is typically out in the middle of a run, you've got this wireway and
you're gonna be running conductors through it, and you're like, okay, how
do I size that? Right? So we're not going to size gutters today,
even though it still has that same concept, right, it's still the
same scenario for sizing the gutter is going to be very similar to what we
have when it comes to a wireway. Okay, that means the number of
conductors not exceed the twenty percent cross sectional area, whether it's a metal or
a non metallic alary. But we're not gonna do that today. We're gonna
save three sixty six for auxiliary gutters. For a different episode because the question
was asked to me was about wire ways. So that's where we're gonna We're
gonna focus our time on wireways today. Okay, all right. So one
of the aspects of the question that came in about wireways is how do you
size it or how do you find the maximum number of a certain size conductor
that can go in a wireway if all the conductors are the same size.
So we're gonna do that. And then the next part of that question is,
well, what if I know the conductors are going to put in there
and there are different sizes, then what's the best way to size to pick
what size wireway do we need based on those different size conductors. So we
have two different two different scenarios there will be utilizing. I'm gonna show you
both today, so you'd come away with the scenario of how to do both,
okay, And the first way is when they're all the same size.
The next ways when they're all different size, But you could still utilize that
method if they still were all the same size and you want to see what
size minimum wireway do you need? Okay, same concept. I just I
feel it behooves me to give you all the possible scenarios. Okay, So,
as you know, wireways are available in metallic anometallic. They're designed with
hinge or removable covers. They provide the ability to change jet directions. They're
designed to be in a complete system between raceways, and that's kind of how
they differ from an auxiliary gutter. And of course they could be custom built.
The off the shelf. You can get them two inch by two,
four by four, six by six by eight, ten by ten, twelve
by twelve. But you can go and as long as the the person it's
creating them, if it's a sheet metal one, as long as they follow
the construction requirements within the n EC or any industry applicable standard, then they're
okay. They're they're not required to be listed, right, And that's important
because if you were to go look, you had your codebook and you grabbed
it and you pulled it out and you said, okay, I'm gonna go
to three seventy six, you'll notice that there is no dot six there.
Now. Dot six is the listing requirements, So you're gonna notice that right
away there's not a listing requirement there. That does not mean a manufacturer won't
go get some listing, okay, or they might give you for intended use
application from the manufacturer, and that's what it's to be used for. But
that certainly doesn't stop an individual from going to a local sheet metal shop right
and saying, hey, man, I need you to I need you to
make me a I need you to do me favor. I need you to
make me a wire away and they go, okay, well how do I
how do I make it? What do you want me to do? Okay,
well I'm gonna I'm gonna give you, tell you exactly what I need
you to make me, all right, And so they make it right.
So, so again not wired to be listed at all. Okay, it
does give you some you know, insight on the substantial construction, uh and
again all that type of stuff, but that's that's about. It tells you
that the corners have to be made tight and they held together with rivets,
bolts or screws or such fasteners, should be state space not more than twelve
inches apart, smooth rounded edges, all that type of thing. And again,
if they want it, you go ahead. You know. Again,
that's a probably a misconception that people think that you that they have to be
listed. No, they can be custom made. You just have to follow
the rules and three seventy six dot one hundred A through D and you know,
have at it. Okay, Okay, anyway, let's get back to
what our topic today is. So the individual wants to know, first of
all, what do we do if I have a wire away. Let's say
I already have a size, right, and I want to say, okay,
well I have a size, a specific size of a wireway, and
I want to know what's the maximum number of conductors that I can put in
they're of the same size. Okay, So we're talking this first. We're
not going to do ampacity adjustments today. That's a different episode. We're simply
talking about the cross sectional area kind of similar to raceway, Phil, but
we're doing it with a wireway, and you're gonna use the same techniques and
same principles that you have with a raceway fil for this, because this is
a raceway. A wireway is a raceway. It's just the difference is that
it's square and you got to do a little you know, you have to
do math, Okay, not difficult math. If you're in the field you
get, you got calculators on your phone. If you're in an exam,
you need to have a calculator and make life easy for you and be able
to do this. But it's not brain surgery, but you need to know
how to do it. Okay, So we're gonna go with the first scenario.
Now in the National Electrical Code where you're going to be looking for a
metallic A wire away is three seventy six dot twenty two, because that's what
we're talking about the number of conductors. And of course that's two parts there
because it also deals with ampacities, and there's an A and to B and
again I'm in the twenty twenty three edition of the NEC, so be aware
of that. But we're not going to be talking about the issue where you're
not exceeding thirty at any cross sectional area and not gonna have to apply any
adjustment factor. We're only talking in this episode about how many physical conductors can
I put in a race way and not exceed the twenty percent? Where does
that twenty percent come from? That comes from three seventy six dot twenty two.
A. Now, if you're if you're in the non metallic wireways.
Okay, the same scenario it's going to be in three seventy eight twenty two.
Now, one of the big differences here is they're very specific for ampacity
about the adjustment factors not being applicable up to thirty when it comes to the
metal. But when it's a non metallic then again that becomes an issue where
the adjustment factors do take place. And that's three ten fifteen C one.
Again, totally different episode, but I would be remiss if I didn't at
least you mentioned something about that that we we know it, because again today
we're just talking conductors, all right, So let's look at the scenario here
maximum number. Now, the first thing we have to remember is the sum
of the cross section area of all the conductors that are going into this wireway
cannot exceed twenty percent. That's a twenty percent and fill. And that includes
all conductors, by the way, and not just current carrying conductors, So
that every conductor that's going to go through any cross sectional area of this wireway
cannot exceed twenty percent. Right, So if you're looking at three seventy six
twenty two, and for this episode, we're we're gonna stick in the wire.
I mean, we're gonna stick in the metal. Just the simplicity say,
because it's identical to the non metallic when it comes for the number of
conductor aspect of it, not the ampacity, but the number of conductors.
Right, are the adjustments. All we're doing is conductors. So here's what
it says. It says the sum of the cross sectional area of all contained
conductors. Notice it doesn't say just current carrying. It is all contained conductors
and cables at any cross section of a wireway shall not exceed twenty percent of
the interior cross sectional area of the wireway. So twenty percent is your max.
You can't exceed it. So if we're looking at that, we're thinking,
okay, well I've got eighty percent which is going to be just air,
and twenty percent is going to be conductor volume, right that we can't
exceed. So this is where people make a lot of mistakes. They go
to a job and they want us they come to add conductors later and they
look at it and they see something and they think, well, shit,
there's plenty of room in there. I can definitely cram a little more in
there. Because I'm telling you right now, if you're looking at twenty percent
conductor phil and then you're looking at eighty percent avoided airspace and you come into
this box you're thinking, or this wire away and you're thinking, shit,
I've got plenty of room. Well you really don't. Now, I'm not
here to do to get into the practical realities of well I nobody will know.
Or it's can't one more, can't hurt. The code is the code,
folks. And I hate when people tell me and they say, well,
Paul, you're just you're not a realist. You're not in the real
world, dude. Or do debt. It is what it is. If
I'm a contractor and I'm doing this math because I'm a professional, and I
see this wireway and it's filled to the brim, and somebody wants me to
add some additional circuits conductors in there, I'm gonna say no, I'm sorry,
I can't. We need to either increase the size of this wire away
or change something because I can now you do you. I'm just saying I
follow the code. You do whatever you want to do just to cash a
paycheck. That set's up to you. But I'm not getting a foot surgeon
to do my brain surgery. You know what I'm saying. I'm a professional,
and if I do the math and it's not to the minimum standard,
then I'm gonna make it right, or I'm gonna at least give that option
to the client, and if they say no, then I just say,
okay, well you can't have it, or I'm gonna find some alternative way
to make it happen. I'm not just gonna overtly throw some extra conductors into
a wire away just because I'm trying to cash a check. And I'm telling
you why, because I will get called out when something does happen, and
inevitably it may happen, and your insurance is not going to cover you when
I go out there and I do the calculation and find out that those conductors
should not have gone in there, that the radial heat and the ambient temperature
calls that insulation to break down, fault it out, calls it a fire,
and I'm going to pin it on you, and I don't care if
you're my brethren electrician. I'm going to hammer you under. That's what an
expert witness does, that's what a consultant does. Okay, So I'm going
to throw you under the bus. I'm just telling you right now. So
it's important for you to do things right. Okay. So now when we
think about that twenty percent, phil, it includes again all conductors, not
just current caring conductors. So in addition, wireways shall not contain conductors actually
larger than what they are designed for. All right, So you have some
wireways might give the instructions from the manufacturer that says the maximum eyes can go
in here, but you also want to make sure and that can go kind
of generically that I am not going to put a number of conductors in there
that it will ultimately exceed the volume of twenty percent that I can have there.
That's not the mission. So that's kind of just a generic kind of
statement. Now, if you're looking at auxiliary gutters, I will remind you
that is Article three sixty six. We'll be talking about that. The same
kind of field requirement is there. But again remembering auxiliary gutter is to supplement
space for that equipment. Wireways do not necessarily need to do that. Okay.
Now, you could use a wireway maybe to use it as an auxiliary
gutter, but in this case we're not talking about that aspect of it.
We're just talking about a wireway that's between race ways, that is could be
anywhere in the system, Okay, And we want to make sure we size
it for the number of conductors that are going true, and we don't want
to see twenty percent of the actual area of this wireway. Okay. So
we're working out of Article three seventy six, I believe because we're working in
metal wireways for our example. All right. So another thing that I will
remind you is that we are so used to seeing tables when you're doing raceway,
Phil, You've got these nifty tables, Chapter nine, Table four,
Table five. If it's bear conductors, you're going to table A to get
the square inch values when you're you know, figuring the volume for these conductors.
When it comes to figuring the actual area of the wire you've got to
do a little math. There's no nifty table for that twenty percent, Phil,
Right, You're gonna have to do something right so where it is a
little different. So since there is no table, you're gonna have to calculate
this value. Now, to find the maximum allowed for a wireway, I
first have to find the total area of the wireway. In square inches,
and I simply multiplied the depth of the wireway times the height of the wireway.
So let's say we have a six by six wireway. That's standard size.
Standard size wireway comes in all different ones six by six, four by
four, eight by eight, but this is a standard typical size that you
can get from any supply house. Now, if I'm gonna do that six
by six, that's gonna give me thirty six square inches. The area that
thirty six inches is then what multiplied by twenty percent fill factor, So thirty
six times twenty percent. Or if you're like me, you'd like to take
percentages and convert them in the decimals, start at the right side of the
zero moved to places to the left. Twenty percent is point two zero.
However you want to do it, that ends up being thirty six times point
two zero, and that is seven point two square inches. So seven point
two square inches represents twenty percent of that thirty six square inches, which is
the volume of that wireway. Okay, and I can't I can't go past
that. Seven point two square inches makes sense. So logically, if I'm
doing a race way, I'm excuse me, I've been doing a wire away
where all the conductors are the same size. So in our example, let's
say that they're three at okay, three slash zero three aught, which actually
it's three naught, but you get in three at thhn. So the first
thing that I'm going to need to do is I go to chapter nine and
I go to table five, because remember we don't have a fill like in
table four for raceway fill. So we got to go to table five and
find out what the actual area is, okay, of that three at conductor
then it's th ten. So I go to table five of chapter nine and
I'm gonna look it up, and it appears that the actual area for that
three ot is zero point two six seven nine. Okay, So that's just
the area for one of them. So to find out the maximum number that
I can put in this wire away and not exceed that seven point two square
inches is take that seven point two and divide it by zero point two six
seven nine, and that comes up to twenty six point eight seven. Well,
you can't have a point eight seven of a conductor, okay, just
can't magically round it up and create a conductor. You only round ams.
We're not talking ams, So you drop that point eight seven, you get
rid of it. So the maximum number is twenty six. So I can
have twenty six three at in a six by six metal wireway, but in
this case it could also be a non metallic wireway. Wouldn't matter when it
comes to the number of conductors, and that's the maximum number of conductors that
I can pass through this wireway makes sense. So that's pretty easy and straightforward.
If all the conductors are the same size, that's an easy way to
do it, right. Yeah, what if all the conductors we have some
different sizes involved here, and you're the electrician, right, you know what
you're gonna run. You know, you got a circuit running here there.
You know how you're going to be running it, right, And so you're
like, okay, let me let me, let me see if I can
work this one here. I need to determine, okay, what size wireway
I need based on my condition of use, how many conductors I have?
All right, So again the same as before, when you're sizing this wire
away, you know, and I know how many conductors I'm going to be
putting in this wireway, then it's pretty straightforward. I always have to start
by finding the total area of the conductor, right, And so I'm going
to be going to table five of chapter nine, just like I would for
raceway field. No different because this wireway is a raceway. It's just different.
It's not a circular raceway. Okay, So I'm still gonna go to
get that area of that conductor. And again Chapter nine, Table five.
Now, remember that's for instantly conductors. If you have compact conductors, Compact
is the stranding configuration of the conductive material, whether it's copper or aluminum.
More prominent in aluminum than it is copper, because it just would be pointless
to have compact copper. Although it's available, it really doesn't save you anything
for racewayfield. It really doesn't. Not enough that makes it worth all of
that extra expense to get compact over traditional type of copper stranding. But anyway,
if you did have compact, then you would use table five A to
get your values. Traditionally we would use table five for insulated conductors. And
if you have any bear in there, you're going to get that value from
table eight of chapter nine. So you've got your three tables that you work
with in order to find my area Okay, of the conductors that are in
question. Okay, Now, once I know that I can compile that,
then I'm gonna take the total area of these conductors and I'm gonna divide it
by twenty percent. Or I could take that area and multiply it by five,
and five is a derivative, whereas you have twenty percent times five is
one hundred percent. So most people just want to use division and use twenty
percent, which again would be point two zero. If you convert it to
decimal, then it would be to multiply by five. That is totally your
choice and how you like to do your math. Okay, Now, once
I have that number, then I simply press the square root button on my
calculator. Do not try to do this in the field. And if you're
taking an exam, just make sure your calculate has square root and you need
to invest in a good calculator anyway. Nobody needs to try to do this
ship in a field in your head anymore. That's why we have calculators.
I'm just saying, Okay, let's embrace technology, folks. Okay, you're
not any smarter than the other electrician. Just because you might be a little
bit better at math. Nobody gives a damn. Just learn how to use
your calculator. Okay, it's pretty simple. We're not here to be a
mathematician, right So anyway, so that's what we got. So let's let's
run you an example and I'll show you how easy this is to do.
So let's say we want to size a wire away and we've got an installation
where we got four or five hundred kcy mills TGen, we got four three
hundred kc mill tjgens, and we got three five hundred kcy mill t gens.
Okay, let's say that's what we got. What we got going on,
all right, So first thing I'm gonna do is I'm going to go
to chapter nine, Table five. As I told you, I need to
find the area for each one of these conductors first, and then we'll multiply
that by the number for each But we first have to find the value.
So I'm gonna go to chapter nine, Table five, and I'm gonna go
to thhh N and I'm gonna look for five hundred kc mill and I believe
that is zero point seven zero seven three square inches and that's just one conductor
okay, so I'm writing that down. The next one is a three hundred
kc mill THHN, and that is zero point four six zero eight square inches.
Gonna write that down. And then while i'm there, I'm gonna get
the size for the two fifty kc mill, which is zero point three nine
seven zero square inches. So I've got these three written down. So now
since there was four of those five hundreds, I'm just gonna take that zero
point seven zero seven three. I'm going to multiply that by four, and
that gives me two point eight two nine two. That's the one you want
there. The next is you're gonna take that value for that three hundred kc
mill, which is zero point four six zero eight, and you're going to
multiply that by four because there was four three hundred ksey mills. So that's
going to give you a total summation of one point eight four three two for
those for all four of those three hundred ksey mills. And then the last
one was the two fifty ksey mill, and that was zero point three nine
seven zero. Multiply that by three because there was three of those, and
let's give you a total of one point one nine one zero. Now,
remember what I said at the beginning, it's all about the summation. We
have to add up all of the area of the conductors first, and then
we're gonna either multiply that by five or divided by twenty percent. Your choice
and how you want to move that math. So that's two point eight two
nine two plus one point eight four three two plus one point one nine one
zero. Add that all up. That is five point eight six three four
square inches. So that represents the value of area that all of these conductors
take up. Rights. It's all its area it takes up. Now,
what I want to do at that point is simply do what I can.
Either again, divide that by twenty percent, and if you've got a calculator,
then you simply take that. I'm gonna take that, and I'm gonna
do it with you. If you've got a calculator, show y'all easy.
This is to do. So a five point eight six three four and I'm
gonna divide that by point two zero, right, and hold only there,
I gotta get my calculator. Have five point eight six three four divided by
point two zero, and that gives me twenty nine point three one seven.
Now I could also take that five point eight six three four and multiply that
by five, which again remember five is a derivative of five twenty per cents
into one hundred. So I could do that and it comes up to the
same number twenty nine point three one seven. In this case, division is
just makes more sense to people. Just divide it. As you're trying to
divide it, you get that twenty percent, So division just makes more sense
to people. Now, once you have that twenty nine point three seven twenty
nine point three one seven value, then you're just going to hit the square
root key and that's what's going to give you the wire away size of five
point four one. Okay. Now that means that wire away to hold those
conductors to meet the twenty percent has to be sized at least four I mean,
excuse me, five point four one. Well, you're not gonna find
a five point four one by five point four one box wire away. No,
you're gonna go to the standard size. The next standard size would be
as six by six, right, and so that's the size you're going to
choose a six by six Okay, makes sense, all right. So and
at the end of the day it makes it makes total sense in how you
would work that out. And so that's how you do it. If you
know the conductor is predetermined, you're what you're going to be routing through.
And that's what engineers do when they laying out systems. They know how the
conductors are gonna be routed through. And so you come along later and you
say, well, you know, I want to add some conductors here.
You have to be very careful because you need to know what the area is
of this wireway that's in question. Then you need to know what the conductors
that are already there consume, and then you can kind of find the happy
medium to find out, well, what additional area of conductor can I add
to this? And it's pretty simple at that point to determine, Okay,
I've got to add additional conductors in there, So I'm gonna have to do
a little bit, a little bit more math. I'm gonna have to find
out what the twenty percent is for the bigger for this wireway, and I
need to see at this point what's in there, and then how much additional
space do I have? And that means taking the conductors that are in there,
adding your new conductors to it and then doing the same math and see
what size wire away it says that you have and is it adequate or not.
If it's not, then guess what. You're going to increase the size
of that wire away in order to accommodate it, or you're going to find
another way to take your conductors. You're not going to be adding them to
that existing wireway. So and that's at that point that becomes one big cluster,
you know what. And you may or may not want to do that.
You may say, going to screw that. I'm not going to reroute
all that crap and take everything out of there to do that, And I'm
going to go a different direction. I'm not going to use that wire away.
That's a decision that you have to make. But anyway, hopefully it
answers the question on how to determine the sizing of a wireway if I start
out and all the conductors are the same size, or how do I size
the wireway that I need When I know the conductors, I'm gonna be in
stalling into it that type of thing. All right, Hopefully that helps you
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