Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Challenge, the podcast all about the
challenge. That's right, drink him if you got him, little ambiance.
Uh, as always, I am Brian singing in his bedroom because his furnace
broke. Big uncle sweetee. Uh having just gotten a drink out of the
fridge. What was it again? It's a hold on trying to spill it
all over myself and I take it out of here. It's called double take.
It's a THHD tonic from Surly Brewing Tonic. THHD tonic. Is that
actually infused with Uh? Yeah, I mean it's Delta nine but yes,
oh well Deltaine. Yeah, but that comes. I might get a little
loopy Carl in San Diego, Hi, I don't. I don't partake in
the THHD very often. So pondering the interesting one, pondering the mysteries of
the universe. By the end of the episode, I mean, maybe it'll
chill me out. I'm getting mad at Jay. Oh no, no,
I need to see some passion there. Uh. And he's finally back.
They let him out. He was gone for a couple of weeks. That's
only gone for one week. Zachivanana gone for two I'm pretty sure there's two
weeks, Bud. I think so too. I think it's one. I
think I think I was gone for a week and then I was back for
a week, and then I was gone again last week. Maybe that's it.
Maybe there may I yeah, that might be. We're gone two weeks
in a row. I kind of think that too, But I believe him.
So I don't know what. I don't know chat room, chat room.
Can he verify his ex attendance? Nobody else has any idea other than
you, other than me. I guess I do do what every episode do
do? Hey, everybody ahead of a challenge, pot dot com joined the
Facebook group. I keep saying I'm gonna put a link tree up on that
website to make it easier for everybody to find everything. And it's been like
a year and a half and I haven't done it. So good times,
very efficient, very efficient podcast. Do we have a website, challenge pot
dot com. It just points to the geek nerdery site. Yeah, the
geek Nerdary site, which probably needs to go away something. Glad I pay
attention. We've only been saying it for the last five years, Carlin,
So you're fine. No, we haven't mentioned it in a very long time.
We've only mentioned the Facebook site. And Nope, I mentioned it every
episode at over to challenge pod dot com joined the Facebook, Yes you do.
I think I just tune that out and think of it as the Facebook
group and Patreon twice twice every episode. Really don't pay attention, good lord,
we'll fee Are you used to this? This is how most people interact
with you, right, just ignore you completely and then completely ignore. That's
why today is the official one year anniversary of my divorce? Is it?
I thought you didn't. I think you didn't. No. I knew because
she told me the day after that she had turned the papers in and had
my insurance canceled. I got you, Mine's tomorrow. Awesome, Mine's tomorrow.
You don't have insurance anymore. And I was like, oh, well,
thank you, bitch. No, I think mine is also tomorrow,
tim Are you? Is it? Really? That's bizarre? I believe that's
bizarre. Close Zack, you were a year Were you a year ahead of
me or two years ahead of me? Fucking weird guys. I think mine
was in I think mine was in a twenty twenty. Okay, mine was
in twenty twenty two. Oh, Goose Force wants the divorce stories after show
stick around for the after show. Oh that's a good idea. Yeah,
que him up, get the as personal questions as you want. It'll be
a therapy session for us divorce guys. Everybody asked us what it's like to
be divorced. Right, It's great, I mean really for both Wolfy and
Tim. If you have listened to the podcast over the years, you can
kind of hear it all. I feel like Tim's was very much more on
the show than mine was. Yes, No, Tim's most definitely was wolf
of Yours kind of blindsided me when it happened, right, Yeah, no
mine over the years, Yeah, she was on the show. Then we
fought on the show because I said some things that pissed her off one time,
and then I'd apologized to her on the show. I truly, like,
I really, I was never a big fan of the Hillary episode.
She was like, these are supposed to be fun. We're supposed to say
ridiculous shit. Yeah, sometimes things may get a little out of hand that
they probably do deserve some sort of an apology, but like that's kind of
the point of the show. I mean Theoretically, everyone who's listening to this
knows that everything that is said is said in jest or people chime it in
in the chat room saying they didn't quite mind that maybe someone didn't come back.
Wow goose for once. The episode numbers the Hillary episode numbers. I
don't know, I don't know. Oh, I don't. This is our
platform where we Yeah, this is a platform where we can stop being polite
and starking. It's not four people in a house, it's four people on
a web page. But you know it still outs all right, after show
divorce stories that'll be fun. Yeah, today's after shows can get spicy.
Great to the Patreon guys. Totally worth the five dollars, totally all right?
Uh, Carlyn, tell us about this episode? All right? Uh,
who's excited about this episode? This time? People? Or as or
as a famous person once said, true cheo. Although we did get that
on this episode, I was a little bummed that we didn't. I was
hyper bummed. It ruined the whole episode for me. But we'll get there.
It was definitely a little bummed. Okay, So we are on season
thirty nine, episode fourteen. Don't let TJ decide I kind of like the
name of this episode, not gonna lie. They kind of made me happy.
Uh. So we started off with the episode like we always do,
with everybody walking back into the house and Kyland is super pumped because he has
made it through his second elimination against a champ and sent the champ packing and
he has still stayed overall second gets a chance. Yeah, that's a pretty
decent record. I'm not gonna lie. How do we feel about Kyland?
Are we? Are we impressed by Kyland? Or are these sort of wins
with an asterisk? What's going on? I he has he has grown.
I was not super thrilled on him at the beginning of the season. He
has grown on me a lot. I think he's grown on me, but
I think it's because he's building an alliance to take Jay down, which on
board for. Yeah, he seems to be less of a of a shitty
person to watch than most of the rest of this house. He is the
only one I think that's going on the opposite trajectory of like I've hated every
single person more and more as the season goes on, He's the one that's
I'm liking him more and more. Yeah, I agree. I still don't
know if I like him yet, but I certainly like him more. I
think it also helps that he that Melissa went home and we don't see a
like weird cuddling thing between the two of them. That always helps, yes,
because the challenge relationships are only fun when they're really messy. But even
that, like I'm this Mariah and James thing is messy, but I don't
think it's fun. I'm super when I When I say mess I mean like
messy, like smashly getting mad at someone because mad at a girl because she
was seen talking to the guy that she was kind of interested in. I
got you, or like hooking up in the shower with everybody watching them the
very first night. Yeah, the fun study that kind of thing. Yeah,
I'm into that too. Like those kinds of messy I'm down for.
Yeah, But the the nourice and Harassio laying on top of each other out
on the like I don't give a ship. Oh and will they won't they
kiss? When's their first? Who gives? Yeah? So they come back
in the house and Kylin is super pumped and everyone's kinda not everyone, but
like a good amount of the house is pretty stoked for him, yea,
which was good to see. Uh. And then we get this weird talking
head of Colleen about how she like she I don't. It was super out
of place and I don't know why they put it here about how her the
Mole has been activated, Like both sides of the house think that she's with
them, but it was very out of place. She's from the mole though,
right, No, I know she she's from the mole, but just
I thought you were saying you didn't understand that part. No, no,
no, I understood that. It's just the kind of going into this episode.
I feel like everybody knew this was going to be a guy's day because
we've had seven weeks of champions and we know that there are eight champions,
and we know that there's one guy champion left, so we know that this
is going to be a guy's day basically from the beginning. Why is this
weird talking head in here about how her how the Mole has been activated and
it is on both sides she She pointed out that because she said Kylin's name
last episode, Yeah, I think she's still working with him m so she's
able to get information and maybe share it with Kylon's side, so they could
come up with a strategy of to vote someone from jays Sida rather than it
being another railroad. Okay, I could see that. It just it felt
very out of place to me. Yeah. I think it's them like trying
to build like false storylines or something, because they all there was a lot
of that this episode. There's been a lot of the last four fucking episodes
because nobody's going home, so they build this fake tension and make you think
that things are going to get shook up and then they never do. And
I think the Colleen thing was just another example of like what's Colleen gonna do?
She's gonna make a big splash, and she just fused around and did
nothing this episode. Yeah, then we get a quick thing of James talking
about how's he done, like a talking hid from him, saying how he's
never comfortable and Mariah's basically his only alliance. I do like that they basically
I don't know what it is what they pointed out that like nobody's going the
fuck home. Yeah, And I think it's a Michelle. It's just like
we send all these people down and then they don't go home. Yeah,
I've come back and they just start conspiring against all of us. Yeah,
that's about three quarters of the way through that. I wrote that down too,
because at least we're not the only ones who noticed this. Yeah.
Well, I think Jay said sometime too, like, well, we just
got to throw them again again, like yeah, of course you do.
Yeah, of course that's how this game goes now. Yeah. Uh.
From the beginning of this episode, we get awesome talking heads. There are
like fifteen of them. He gets so many confessionals this episode Home. Yeah,
that guy immediately immediately knew that he is into it. Doesn't bother me
nearly as much as Jay does. Oh I hate him. They both bother
They both bug the fuck out of me. Is this the masturbation scene where
they're just masturbating together, those two guys just yeah, we should win and
we should win an Emmy for this what Yes? No, no, we're
not. Oh yeah this is yes, this is that scene. Yeah,
because Ossof is telling Jay that he that awsive like that he plays super emotional,
and then he wishes he was more like Jay, and Jay says that
he and Michelle have been told over the years that they're super emotional. They
need to not and they've kind of figured out how to not be, which,
like, you were both two of the most emotional players I've ever seen.
I'm not emotional. Yeah, and then yeah, then it goes into
the two of them talking like yeah, fucking jerking each other off and saying
that we should we should be winning an Emmy for this. Nobody's ever done
this, nobody's ever done this, and awesome watched a different challenge each other
verbally, verbally masturbating. Wasn't that one of those videos with the dustin this
is this is just the verbal version of that, just less physical. Yeah.
Yeah. And then Ausoff has a talking head, He's got his confessional
and he says that both sides of the house are doing what he wants them
to do because he's telling them to do it. And he said that,
and I'm like, I what planet or you on? How do you think
that you are running this house? Yeah? All this ship that he says,
like that drives me nuts, Like I am the next generation of the
Challenge. Oh my god, he said that this episode and I wanted to
strangle him. Yeah, he is anxious, hope that you were not the
next generation of the show. Yeah, he's insufferable. He's really hard to
tolerate. Yeah, awful, awful, awful, awful. Oh yeah,
this is where Mariah, Michelle, j and Emmanuel are talking about how they're
they're shot at Harasuo and Kylon failed yet again. Yeah, and I noted
here that Emmanuel seems to be playing kind of like CT. He he does
well, but he does it in a very quiet way, and then he
kind of sits back and lets everybody else do the dirty work of things and
kinda he's been kind of chilling out this season. I think he's smarter than
he seems. Yeah, And I don't know if it's like a language thing
or I don't know, he just doesn't present as very smart. But in
this episode especially, I could sort of see the gears turn and I think
he's got a little more figured out than it seems. Yeah to watch,
Yeah, surprise because I think it's a little bit later, but we see
a confessional to Jay where he says, like, you know, behind ASoft,
Emmanuel is next highest priority. Guy. Wow, I didn't even realize
he's playing such a good social game. Well, yeah, because Emmanuel and
Jay have been they Jay has been saying to Emmanuel that he's his number one
since the beginning, like they they mentioned that in one of the first few
episodes, and somehow Jay and Asa be in number ones. They still think
that no one in the house knows. I don't understand that, Like seems
like everybody knows. Incredibly obvious. How how would they not know? Yeah,
especially at the end of this episode, everybody's like consoling Jay, like
everybody everybody knows. But it's mentioned multiple times this episode that people don't know
that they're playing it under the radar, that these guys are best friends and
that they're each other's number ones. Yeah, they're full of shit. Maybe
it's just none in their alliance. And we also at the end get you
know Kyland being like I didn't realize asof was like so well connected, Like
why is everyone so upset about this? Yeah? But I mean they had
it was like episode two that they had the what was the Fantastic four where
it was Jay or Jay Ossif, Michelle and Nourish. Yeah, I mean,
do you not think that Nourice has told Horasio that that Osof is one
of Jay's number one, is his number one guy, and then that Rassio
hasn't told Kylin. Yeah, it just I don't understand how they think that
that's been hidden all season. I'm not even sure they think that. They
just are saying that because it's true, because they say shit on TV.
That's stupid. Yeah. Yeah, Then we get seen of Hirasio and Nourice
cuddling again, which I just it just says barf afterwards, because it just
feels that that relationship feels weird and forced in high school and cringe to me.
It doesn't even feel high school. It feels junior high, feels junior
high and cringe. Yeah, it's weird, and I hate her Assio now,
so I could give a ship about either of them. Oh, I
liked him a little bit more of this episode, but still not super keen
on him anymore. Yeah, I love Herassio still. Yeah that's right,
Carly, No, just no. And then we're after the challenge challenge good
sounder. Yeah, so what the fuck was that pre installed? But all
right, apparently it's really classing up the joint around here? Yeah? Are
we money for that? Oh? What are you doing? What the fuck?
We're learning how this system works right in real time? Riverside this commercial
stupid. What is a commercial in the middle of all right? Turn this
off? Oh now we can't get the videos back? Bigger? How do
I? How do I get rid of it? You know what? We
did it? This is great for an audio podcast. There it goes,
did you did you do that? Or did I do that? I did
that? Okay, all right, I think you close it right as I
hit a little button on the thing and it made it seem like I fixed
it. All right, I just played I just played the actual challenge the
sounder again. It's nice, all right, nice? Okay, So the
challenge is called off. In the distance, TJ mentions yet again that there
are still sixteen people there. Unbelievable episode fourteen guys and season from like ten
years ago. This would be the reunion episode. Yeah, sixteen people left
in this fucking show. What's going on? Way too many fucking people?
Yeah? All right. He also announces that this is a mini final Love
mini Finals. Yeah, I actually quite liked this one. I did too,
Will Fee Are you being facetious with your yea, No, okay,
let's do it. Let's let's start separating the good people from the bad people.
Yeah, yeah, I agree? This was this was a very telling
challenge gives some surprises. I would like to see what do you guys think
about how they have been dividing teams this season and especially this challenge. I
think it's just because I made mention to that, because this is they say
that they're randomly assigned teams of four, but yet again, Mariah and James
are on a team. I'm there are pairs of people that are constantly on
teams together, and I really think that it's just like they're walking in with
their friends and standing next to their friends and then it's just getting divided four
four four four. Yeah, that's the reason to the actual I don't I
don't think that they're actually randomly assigning it. Yeah, I think it's I
don't know. I'm a conspiracy theory guy. It seems like production is lining
them up and then tejs dividing them into whatever team's production wants them to be
divided in. I have no reason, no way to prove that that was
your guests too. Yeah, because Kylon sort of is with a bunch of
people that he's not working with, and he is true, but I mean
it just it. This is like the third I think this is the second
or third challenge, maybe a third or fourth challenge that Mariah and James have
been on the same team and it's very weird to me, but whatever,
uh so it is. The game is played in teams of four that are
apparently randomly assigned. There are three checkpoints that they are in puzzle pieces at
and they have to uh drop the bags back at the finish line after each
checkpoint, and to bring the bags back and forth, they have to carry
a big giant stick and it looks like they have to keep Every team member
has to keep a hand on that stick while they're running. And then the
first team to bring all of their bags back and complete the puzzle with those
pieces is the team to win. So they all start going and everybody gets
the first checkpoint at the same time. First checkpoint, they have to use
ropes that are attached to the bags that are slung over a saw, and
they with by moving the ropes back and forth they saw the rope in pieces
and then can take the bags one freeze. It did seem easy, but
Colleen had a lot of trouble with it. Yes, it's just is gonna
be my point. Yeah, it seems like if it's a team thing.
They should be able to help each other with the bags. It seemed really
weird that Colleen was just struggling, like all those people just yelling at her.
Yeah. I mean, but at the same time, this is technically
an individual game. Yeah, so I didn't actually mind the fact that they
were not allowed to help each other, but each team member had to do
their own. Yeah. I just thought it seemed very mean spirited. Poor
Colleen. I just felt really bad for her. As the unathletic kid in
my growing up. I was just like, oh, it shows it shows
Jay's true colors, that he is just as much of an asshole as like
Jordan. Yeah, because Jordan back in the day would have been screaming at
someone like that. Yeah, probably even probably even now, I guess he
probably would be. Yeah, it seems weirder when Jay does it. Maybe
we just maybe I just don't expect it from Jay, so it's more off
putting or I don't know, I didn't like it. I think it's because
Jordan at least has the background to back up his his talk. Jay is
just a fucking blow hard. Yeah. So yep, Jim souh Osof is
completely convinced that he's the reason that his team ends up in first after this
first checkpoint because he did the conductor move with the bags. Yeah, yeah,
he is the worst, Yes he is. Cannot stand him, but
yeah the fourth team with calling in on. It takes a really long time
to finish second checkpoint. The contenders have to not really untangle their bag from
a rope, but they have to there there are four ropes that are strung
between a bunch of trees and the bags attached to the ropes and they have
to run them along these ropes. This one seemed really boring and easy,
yeah, and edited in a weird way too right. We barely saw it.
It was just very quick cut scenes and shit, Like I was gonna
say, I don't even remember this. Yeah, it felt very weird and
I think they kind of missed the opportunity of I can't remember what season it
was, it was a few years ago where they had all the contenders had
to grab an it might have been free agents. All contenders had to grab
an idol that was attached to a rope and they had to untangle this rope,
like untangle the idol from this rope, and it was tied in a
bunch of weird like ramp wrapped around a bunch of things, and you had
to go through things. And was it Bruno, the guy who was technically
homeless finger bang Jenna. He quit halfway through because he couldn't get his undone
from one of the knots. But that was I mean, that one was
a lot more fun because it took a lot more to get it through.
And I don't even this must have been on Invasion, right, that was
the only season he did it. Yeah, I don't remember that challenge though,
it was towards the very beginning, because that was the that was the
episode that Bruno ended up going home on because he quit halfway through that he
just gave up. But I liked that one more than I liked this.
Checkpoint was like, look, look, life's never going to be as good
as finger banging Jenna. I'll just go um. Yeah. So there's no
real, nothing really exciting about Checkpoint two other than we get an insight into
Colleen's endurance. She is just fucking gassed by the end of this. This
surprised me. She looks very, very fitting in shape. She looks like
a cardio queen kind of woman. Yeah, but she is gassed by the
time and not even by the time they drop off their second She's gassed by
the time they drop off their first bags. Yeah, at the beginning of
checkpoint two. So they does not bode well for her everybody because everybody thought
she was going to be really good. Yeah, yeah I did. I
kept waiting and hoping we're gonna get confessional from her being like, oh,
everyone knows I'm with threats. I'm like, I'm downplaying and throwing stuff to
look weak, but uh, we never got that. So no, No,
that's why, like as mini finals, they really do they they set
some bring out everybody's true colors. Yep, they some good expectations of what
we'll see for sure, which yeah, weirdly, James didn't die like I
thought he would same, Yeah, just because the team that he was on,
like everybody else, kind of kept pace at a lower pace. But
who knows. So then we get to checkpoint three, which I appreciated for
a few different reasons. Checkpoint three, they have a a picture that's got
It's a like a square with a bunch of squares inside of it, and
they have to from this picture count all of the note, they have to
count all of the squares in there, and then they have to multiply that
number by thirty nine. And my immediate thought was Corey and Peanut, Butter
and Nicole would do great at this one. I always try to pick it
up and run with it. I would suck at these, and I think
I'm a pretty good puzzle person. I would really feel feel pretty confident in
most puzzles. I would fuck this up, for sure. I love these
kinds of things. I like literally when they at one point time, when
they brought the puzzle up, I paused it. I counted all the number
or counted all the squares times it by thirty nine, and got the right
answer in less than two minutes. I don't understand why this took so long.
Did you use your calculator though on your phone? No? Oh?
Did you use rocks to transcribe it or a pennon pens, pen and paper?
No, because it was it was not hard. Twenty four times thirty
nine. You can do that in your head. Twenty four times thirty nine,
No, I can't do. I mean, I have to add things
together. But yeah, it was twenty four times thirty nine. It was
not hard. It what was it six thirty nine or six thirty something?
Nine six nine thirty six the correct answer, so the four digit code was
zero nine three six. But it literally took two minutes for me to figure
this out. I don't understand why this takes so long for all of them.
It's the counting. It's the counting. It's got to be well,
it's hard to keep trying and well by time Rossio was trying to count rectangles.
Rectangles are not squares. Yeah, it's hard to keep track, and
then when they overlap and then it's like, oh, did I count that
one yet? Or did you know see this? Okay, so everybody who
didn't listen to the pre show. So I am currently redoing my basement and
setting it up as an art studio, and I showed the guys a picture
that I have drawn of like me planning the whole thing out. And I
feel like this kind of falls into that same category of you have to do
it very, very methodically, like I went outside in and then you do
all of the rows, and then you go each quadrant. It's I don't
feel like this was a hard thing to do. I wouldn't be able to
do that. I don't know, you wouldn't be able to do it.
Fuck no, Joker calls Carlin, Carlin the mathlete. Thanks, I was
an athlete when I was in junior high. Ah, Zach, Zach,
I gotta know, Zach, could you count that? Could you do a
good job count of those squares? Probably not? Yeah, I couldn't.
Yeah I have. I don't know. It just one of those things.
Carlin's the bragget. Joker says she was a smack. I don't know what
a smack is. Oh, I don't know what a smack is either.
All right. So ultimately all of the the first place team gets there and
has a good like few minute lead on everybody else, and that's Horacio and
his team, and then second and third place teams show up, and first
place is still there, and then fourth place shows up way behind everybody else.
At first place is still there. They cannot figure this shit out.
Fourth place is Jay's team has Colleen on it. They take a completely different
strategy. Ed has them go over to the over to the lock and starts
with twenty times thirty nine and just starts adding thirty nine two it every single
time and goes through it. That way, and they get it almost instantly
and turn around and start running away. Because Ed's a genius. Yeah he
is. Ed's really smart. He is super smart. He does not look
like he should be, but he is super smart. He's the He's the
other one that like, I've started hating everybody except Ed Ed, and I
feel the same about that. I always have. Yeah, I think I
think we've gotten the right amount of Ed. We've talked about it a few
different times. He's Yeah, I think a lot of these characters suffer from
like overexposure once you see him too much. You know, It's like I
like him as a side character. As a full character, I just I
hate them. Yeah, Joker says, the smack is good. Students,
you wanted to choke out. I've never heard that term, bather, have
I we learned? We learned something today? Yeah, the more you know.
But yeah, So, ultimately, leaving the third checkpoint, you have
the fourth place team which ends up as the first place team. You have
the third place team that ends up as second, the second place team that
ends up as third, and the first place team that ends up is fourth.
They left in the exact opposite order. Yeah, yep, I love
it when that happens. Me too. It's the point of checkpoints. Yeah
yeah, uh. And this was a really great mini final because they didn't
have like they don't have to add up times or anything. But like,
that's what I like about these kinds of the mini finals. I agree.
So final puzzle, they are given a bunch of cylinders that are all different
heights and they have to stack them in six different stacks and all the stacks
have to be the same height. Me, Tim and Zach are very familiar
with this challenge. Yeah, this is the first time I have ever seen
this challenge, but I can understand why you are very familiar with it because
Michelle comes running up to this and she is stoked because apparently this is the
challenge that she won Survivor with she she pushed her into the final three,
which allowed her to win. Okay, yep, that's a pretty main may
like a staple of Survivor. Maybe once a season they have these various things
where you stack it. They have to mean, you know, get to
the same height. Yeah. So yeah, I think I do good at
this one. I'm pretty good at things like this, and I like the
relatively methodical way to go around doing this, but yeah, she seemed very
like, I know what I'm doing, give them pieces in this specific order.
She did the methodical thing. Yeah, she like was putting them in
categories and stuff, and some that were the same height she put those.
And yeah, she definitely like had a had a full plan that she knew
what she was doing. Yeah. Yeah, So Michelle's team, they were
the they showed up second at this at the final challenge, Jay's team was
there first, and they get all this stuff in there and they think they've
got it right. So they call for a check and they're all celebrating,
super excited, fucking j and is goddamn professionals. I look over. Gylan's
mouth is on the floor. He looks so sad, like he's gonna cry
like a little beat his fucking smug ass face. And they call for a
check and they're waiting for the horn to be blown, and Kylon's telling his
in Michelle's team to keep going, like we have we keep going until the
buzzer and the moment he said that, it's like, oh, of course,
they're like Jay's not gonna win, and TJ tells them that they've got
it wrong. Yep, and they have to take everything out of there because
they cannot figure out how they got it wrong. Satisfying. They did fool
me though, because Jay and his confessionals. Jay still looks super cocky and
confident, and he had a big grin, and I was like, fuck,
you won it, God damn it. So I was. I was
pleasantly surprised. Yeah, I feel like this is the j equivalent of the
Laurel uh. Yes, Yeah that was. That was a great one.
Yeah, I loved what I loved watching that get rubbed in Laurel's face.
It's fantastic. But yeah, by this point in time, all four teams
are at the final checkpoint or at the final puzzle, and then Kyland and
his team call for a check and they win. So Jay is Jay's a
little worried now. I was actually very happy for Kyland. I turned around
in Kaylin's episode. I was kind of rooting for him. It's the first
time I think I've been rooting for somebody this whole season, so that felt
kind of good. Actually, I was very happy to see that Kylan and
his team one. I wasn't super stoked that Michelle was on it or that
Mariah was on it, yeah, or that James was on it. I
mean, James has been relatively quiet the last few episodes, so I was
less upset by that. I really didn't want Michelle to be on the winning
team. Yeah whatever, it's a guy's day, so I don't really care.
It doesn't really matter. Yeah, I don't like her smug face either.
It's just not good because Kylon is completely outvoted. He is, but
this is one time that I didn't actually mind him being out voted. It
is a very strategic move. Yeah. So Silond sees and I didn't see
until he explained it. Yeah. So in the TJ per the Norm goes
through and tells him, Okay, you guys have to vote for a guy,
gives him a few minutes to deliberate, and they come back and they
say Hirasio, and Kylon is the one who announces it, and you get
his talking head saying that he did not fight the rest of his team to
not have Hirasio in there, because now the house has to fight to figure
out who's going to go against him or who's going to be the other pick,
because they don't get the easy way out of having Hirasio in. Yeah,
and they have to pick somebody that's in their lives. Yeah, yeah,
I I agree with you, Wilvie. I didn't truly get it.
I didn't really see it until he said that either. At first it was
like, what are you doing? Do you just you've just decided to put
him in because he's gonna be a threat in the final And then he said
that, oh yeah, that makes a lot of sense, sense smarter.
He looks Tim Zachy, did you see that before before he said it?
Nope, No, I didn't know. Yeah, I wasn't really thinking about
it. But yeah, once you did, that's a good idea. I
didn't think about that. Yeah, so as much chaos as you can.
Yeah, City saidive, okay, this is nice. But Maurice of course,
has to has to start blowing up the moment this happens, and she
starts talking shit to James and she's upset because Rossi was getting thrown in yet
again. Which this is one of those times where I felt like you really
don't watch the show, do you, because this and of shit happens every
single season, Like they pick someone and they send that person in every week
until that person goes home and then they pick someone new. Yeah, and
that's like the game is made to be like that, right, because you
don't want to have to keep making new enemies. So it makes a lot
of sense to do that. I get it. But that's why you have
to start sending people home. So this their plan stops working. This is
a production issue, not a not a player issue, I think. Yeah,
And Evenhirasio in his little talking head even he says that, you know,
this is actually not a bad idea. Yeah, Like I don't want
to be the one going down there, but this isn't a bad idea because
the other alliance has to pick somebody. Yeah, he was going down either
way, so yeah, who you know, who cares if Kyland was on
whatever side like he's going But by him saying that, I my heart's softened
to him, just a tad this episode from the bullshit that we've been seeing
recently. Not me, man, not me mhm. All right, So
we are we're back at the house and we get a quick thing, a
quick talking head from Olivia saying that she should have stayed true to her her
real alliance, which is with Rasio flipping back and forth. We're gonna spend
We're gonna spend four fucking episodes on whether Olivia and Harassio are still friends.
Yeah, and then all of the I should have I should have just stayed
in my real alliance with him. Yeah, who gives a ship about those
two people? Who cares? Yeah? We do? We liked them last
season. I mean I guess I do. Yeah, this this are they
are? Are they not friends? Drama is like fucking middle school ship.
Like I just don't care. I just don't care that Harassio hasn't talked to
her in that Like who cares? Yeah? But who do you think the
show's aimed at? Definitely definitely not white man in the midst. They're not
thinking we got to appeal to the middle aged crowd, the bald guys.
Oh, we're dying, dying demographic, throw those boob shirts in. That's
right, we're not totally neglecting. Oh god. And then we really quickly
go straight to club night. Um. Yeah, we get awesome talking to
Mares about how he still has her back and he hopes that she still has
his and m At one point time, Maurice names off like legit half the
house that she's still allied with, which We're too far in this game for
you to have like eight people that you're riding with. Well, we're a
long way in the game, but nobody's gone home. So I feel like
these alliances like they haven't been tested yet, you know, I don't know.
I'm so sick of this fucking season. Yeah, And the only thing
that really comes out of the club night that was anything of note was Michelle
sits down next to Horasio and tries to apologize to him, which I found
very strange and super inauthentic and very weird. This exchange is pretty uncomfortable.
Yeah, it felt like a complete crock of shit, Like, why are
you saying that you're sorry that you have thrown him in? And when she
mentions like the boys on her alliance don't talk to her, which is bullshit
because we see her talking to them all the time, right, And Horasio
has a really fun, fun lill quoteent're saying that he now understands why Jay
and Michelle have so many issues with the Vets, because they are just like,
they're super super messy players. Yep, and I liked Michelle. We
got some insight into Michelle's social game too. She said something about like,
oh, you're like your demeanor and your body language is very closed off or
something like that. Yeah, like even right now, you're very closed off
even right now. Yeah. I kind of like that though, because she
is a very good social player and that's how she dominates and survivor, and
it's like to see a little inside of like how she's is interpreting the scene
and stuff. I kind of like that she Okay, So I don't know
that I completely agree with her being a good social player. She may be
able to see all of that, but she doesn't seem to understand that she
is the fucking reason why he is so closed off, Like he doesn't want
it to He does not want to accept her apology or talk to her because
she and her alliance have fucked him over. Yeah. Like for her to
not seem to like understand or grasp the concept, it's kind of like,
uh, I don't know. Yeah, I'm with you, I get it,
um yeah. Uh. Then we're back at home. The next morning,
Ed brings up to I don't remember who he was talking to, but
brings up that he and Emmanuel seems to be the only two names that are
really being bandied about at this point in time to go in, and he's
kind of like, uh, why aren't Corey and Auso being brought up?
Like does everybody have amnesia around Corey? He fucked up so many things at
the beginning of this. It is weird, Like he seems like he would
be the obvious one. Yeah, it is weird that he was such a
targeted player that was causing so much drama and that so many people seem to
like be unhappy with and now he's just like fine, Like it's a weird
thing. Yeah, it's very strange. Like you guys mentioned it last week
that it seems very bizarre that everybody is they do they have amnesia around him?
Yeah, it's you don't understand, like maybe he sucked everybody off.
I have no fucking clue, Like, I mean, how is everybody okay
with him? Again? I don't know. It really annoys me because when
he first kind of messed up in the beginning and then tried to cover his
butt, I was like, okay, like everyone knows where you stand out,
you're still just always gonna be at the bottom, and like you're just
gonna get picked off right away. But somehow it seemed to have worked him
like, you know, hiding his tail and being like I'm sorry, yeah,
stupid Cory. Yeah, I agree. And plus, you know,
he still might be at the bottom of the alliance, but we don't know
because nobody's going home. Like I just I keep going back to that point.
But it's it's hard to really know the dynamics when they don't change for
a month. I mean, we saw at least, you know, he
was above Emmanuel and the and the ad. This week, well, he
seems to be above Ed in his alliance, but yeah, to the other
alliance, he's above Immanuel. M hm yep. And he says people change,
but challenge you guys. Well, it's it is also true that there
does seem to be two big alliances, but there's so much sort of like
weird crossing over between the two that it gets sort of blurry and fuzzy.
And I mean we'll see that during the nomination process, I guess, but
it's it's not quite as clear as two big alliances, you know. Yeah,
there seem to be a lot of people kind of sitting on the fence
of between the two, yeah, or making connections with the other, you
know, with certain people on the other side, you know, yeah,
that sort of stuff. Yea. Then we get Michelle talking to Mariah sitting
in their bedroom and she's mentioning to Mariah that she doesn't understand why all of
Jay's moves are falling back on her, and she gets like really upset,
starts crying. I'm again, I'm very confused as to why she doesn't understand
this. Like you say that she's a good social player, but then she
doesn't understand why the person who she has basically partnered herself with this entire season,
why his decisions are following back on her, Like you ever seen the
Have you ever seen the show, Michelle? Yeah, hmm yeah, And
I mean they've presented themselves kind of as a package deal, like if you're
in our alliance, you are allied with both of us as you're number one,
right. Yeah, It's just I don't know, it's very strange.
Yeah, more aws of confessionals. Oh my god? It is it a
language thing? Is that why we hate him so much? Is it just
so like, what is it about this guy that is so horribly off putting?
I just I don't know, there's some I truly don't know what it
is. I don't know, because I don't hate him nearly as much as
you guys do. They dislike him. I don't like that he's working with
j obviously because Jay's can fuck off. But yeah, I think for me
it's the I don't like that he seems so like I'm the best, I'm
the greatest, but has not done anything to back that up. Yeah,
and he seems very inauthentic to me. It seems like his confessionals all seemed
very rehearsed, very like he wrote down lines and ship before he got in
there. Like just that's just what it feels like to me. Yeah.
He also seems to talk very big and bad in his confessionals, and then
the moment he gets in front of people turns into just like, oh that's
exactly who said that, Jamie, Oh Jamie, Oh yeah, look at
that. It was like he's acting. Yes, it really does. It's
just it feels very weird to watch him. It's it's like watching a very
poor actor. You know. It's very weird. And maybe it is a
cultural language thing, like an accent. I don't I don't know, I
can't pick up on it, but it's very weird to watch him. He
makes me uncomfortable. Yeah, was he putting on makeup or deodorant or something?
Yeah, Carlon, is he good looking enough to overcome some of his
personality defects though, because he's a gorgeous man. Not in that's a gorgeous
man. That's got to be one of the best looking UDEs it's ever been
in the challenge thought, yes, you guys don't think so high. I
don't think I think he's an extremely attractive man. Yeah, you guys don't.
You guys really don't see this. Even Jamie says, no, oh
my god, I'm the minority. All right, he's vomiting. Oh my
god, I thought it was universal that this guy is a very good looking
man. No, no, his hair is his hair is incredible. Yeah,
jealous of the hair. Yeah, he's he has completely blocked everything else
the hair, because the hair is there, and it's flowing and wonderful.
It's glowing, it's glistening, it's wonderful. Oh. He reminds me of
a Russell Brand forgetting Sarah Marshall. No way, no way. He has
way bulkier and better built than Russell Brand. Russell Brand is a lanky,
little fucking guy. With stringy hair, got full thick hair. Yeah,
see, I am more off you. We had a shot, We had
multiple shots this episode of asof standing next to CT, like one hundred percent
for CT. Are you serious for him? Are you serious even this?
This was a little bit pseudo dadbod CT in this episode. And still still
you're going CT every every every bit of CT. Even I have had this
CT was the biggest asshole on the face of the planet. But that was
when it was better looking to I'm saying, I'm saying Jamie CT is one
of the hottest men who's ever been on this show. But is that personality
and because you've known him for forever or is it really just like how he
looks now? No, it's not how he looks now. I so okay,
So it's not how it looks now. It is how he looks now.
Is every it is all of it. I So I follow an Instagram
account called Bravo and Cocktails, and the woman who runs that account she posted
up that she is also head over heels for CT and she's like my age
and she posted up a pole in the last two days of because he's on
Traders with a bunch of Housewives. She posted up a pole like what does
everybody think? Like one of him standing next to Johnny Banana is like,
who do you guys prefer? Out of that he had like eighty five percent
of the votes in comparison to Johnny. It was you know, is it
looks ver electionless, stolen? Okay? You know it looks versus personality?
Or is it all of it? Was it then or now? And it's
always like, overwhelmingly it's he looks good back then, he looks good now.
He's his personality, especially since he's grown up, has gotten so much
better. He like, hands down, hands down favorite for a lot of
people. Is it for a lot of Like? Is it because it's ct
And you're like, I can just imagine him smoking a cigarette, smashing a
beer bottle over some guy's head. See, the smoking a cigarette is the
one bit that I'm getting all riled up. And then he's like, I'm
gonna take you home and fuck out of here. I don't don't get me
wrong, that is a nice bit, But that he makes you like black
coffee in the morning, you're just you're just like yes to everything. I'm
not a huge fan of the fact that he still smokes. Uh, not
a fan of that at all. But yeah, it's CT hands down,
all day, every day. Comparison to almost everybody else on the challenge.
CT is also gorgeous. Man, I'm not saying CT is ugly, but
us Off is extremely good looking. No, yes he is, he is.
He looks. He's a good looking dude. No, no, Jervie
says, lolled, No, look at me. I'm arguing the women,
Yes he is. I'm a straight man, straight women. This thing goose
versus not. He hooked up with him, but he hooks up with everybody.
Yeah, that doesn't mean that he's looking I guess. Yeah, No,
I don't think that's a I don't think that's a point in his column
for sure. But boom roasted, Yeah, you show you it still.
You show people who don't know CT. It still. You show people who
don't know who these people are. You show them two pictures. I bet
it's more of a fifty to fifty split than you think CT versus. I
don't think it is. No, you think you think CT every time?
Yeah, yeah, I don't know, all right, telling you, I
think it's like you they look at him and it's like Holy fuck like I
would get on the back of a motorcycle with him and you know, have
a wild weekend where we just beat up bar people and fuck out in the
desert or something. All Right, here's what I'm gonna do, guys.
I'm gonna pull. I'm gonna ask Jojo, who does not watch the challenge
and has no idea who these people are. I'm gonna send her recent pictures
of both and make her to side show. You have to send the pictures
to the three of us before you send them to her. I want to
know which pictures you are sending. Deal. All right, talk amongst yourselves,
guys, I'm gonna work this up. Joker agrees with you, though,
Tim Joker. See, thanks, buddy, I'm not wrong. You
are, but it's okay. Joker is also wrong. You won't even you
won't even give me that he's a good looking dude. You won't even admit
that. No, I mean he's he's a good looking dude. There's a
reason why he's on the pit crew of RuPaul's drag race. I'm not saying
that he's not a good looking dude, but like Greek god level funck.
Now, I don't find him attractive at all, at all, at all,
those are the words you're using. No, I don't find him attraction.
I think that he is generally dude, but I don't I don't find
him attractive. All right, I'm gonna send a guy like tingle in my
nether regions because of him. Oh like, there is more Tingle in my
nether regions for Johnny Bananas than there is well obviously, Zach, Zach,
what happening there? Whatever you're doing, Zach, stop it. It's terrible.
I feel like we've blown out the listener. I feel like I have
probably blown out the listeners here a few times this episode. Sorry, guys,
we forgive you. All right, I'm texting you guys right now the
images that I'm about to send to to Jojo. Okay, all right,
I hope it should be better. Hopefully this is better. To run up
for a second, gotcha, we should also post these pictures in the Facebook
group, just so that everybody else. Actually, you should put up a
poll in the Facebook group. Yeah, we should actually get on back.
I should actually go on Facebook and do something. Yeah, see this picture
ct hands down all day, every day. Yeah, hands down, So
for anyone who's listening. This is the promo picture for CT and one of
the promo pictures for OSIF. I think the Ossif is actually from Total Man
from his Total Madness season, but he looks the same. Stanley says he
is Mediterranean attractive, So if you don't like Mediterranean men, then uh,
I do like Mediterranean men, but I still don't think he's attractive. I
think he's I think he's very attractive. Goose Force wants to know what member
of the pit crew on Drag Race, So RuPaul's Drag Race, for those
people who don't know, is a reality TV show where it's a bunch of
drag queens who are competing against each other to be the number one drag queen
of that season. The pit crew are a group of objectively very good looking
guys, and they are almost always very scantily clad in next to nothing,
and they participate. They are kind of quote unquote props in challenges and they
bring They are the people who bring in. They're yeah, they're just they're
the van of white of this show, but they are. All of them
are built, all of them are objectively good looking. Ossof is one of
them, or was one of them. I don't know if he still is,
but I just I don't. Cindy says, to be fair, Tim
is a type. I agree with that dark hair, but he's not very
pale. He might be a little more feminine than CT too. Oh,
he is one hundred percent more feminine than CT. T is rugged mountain man,
well because he's European. Yeah. I don't know if my mom's listening,
but when we're having this all debate, she just randomly texted me Emmanuel
out of nowhere. She's into him, so maybe that's what that was about.
I mean, she's like, I like vampires. I mean, Emmanuel
is hot too. I would take him. I would take him over CT
or not over CT over. Are you serious? Yeah? That fucking blows
my mind. I cannot believe that. I really think us Off is the
best looking dude on this show. I really do. Jamie doesn't agree with
me on that, but I would do it. I would take a handle
over over. What do you like? You like the tats? I do
like the tats he's got the I think for me, it's the both he
and CT have the more of like bad boy, yeah, bad boy Matt
like I don't know, just mysterious. I don't know. Joker brings up,
it's hotter than all of them. It is a good looking guy.
No, no, no, it's it's short. When he doesn't he doesn't
have those when he doesn't have those weird little like strands of hair coming out
of the front of his head. Uh no, it's a good looking guy
out the front of them. They are out of his banks there. He
usually has just like two little strands of hair. He's got the like nineties
nineties women's You get bored in the challenge house, Carl, and you got
to come up with something. I guess, Well, So where would you
stack up him versus Jay Asa first? Ja Oh, I feel like uh
no, I would take Jay over as if just because Jay has I like
Jay's more defined chin, and Jay versus a soft you would pick j I
have. I must have no radar for what makes an attractive man. I
can't believe it, Jojo says. Jojo says, cet out of those too,
do you images? Boom? You has a proven your point. I
have to concede, But it feels uncomfortable because he still looks like a very
attractive man to me. What can I say, so I can ask at
this point, Carlin, is there anyone left in the house that you would
take aft over? No, he's the bottom. Yeah, oh my god,
it is as off j Ed Emmanuel ct c's not the house. But
you know, Stan said the nerdiest smart girl in high school who liked the
bad I know cliche. Car goose Force says, what if Josh was on
this season? That's Josh? Can I put a bag over Josh's head?
Would that work? Because he's taller than assive? Is that? What is
that? What it is? The height? How tall? Is this off?
Awesome? When he was standing next to c T. They were almost
the same night. Really, yeah, he's taller, but I think Josh
is taller, I mean, and awsome. Also just like Skinny. I
would rather but Josh and his do you imagine? Jamie points out, Josh's
voice is awful a bag to muscle it. Could you imagine his voice coming
out of a paper bag? No? See, this is this is when
I just go and get one of those gip masks and zipped across across the
face. So then it's he can he can breathe, but I can't see
anything there. Yeah, that's that's the way we go. Yeah, and
so Joker says that Cet is like six one six or six foot six one,
and I'm pretty sure that Josh is like sixty three. Yeah. Google
tells me a soft is six foot even, and yeah, I think ct
is six one six two something like that. Yeah, we just fully derailed
from the actual show. I was gonna say, where are we actually at
it? So we are? We are in the house this. We just
got onto this because Ed was bringing up that Asf and Corey are not being
thrown out there as names, and then oh, yeah, I don't know
how anyone doesn't understand that Jay and Asa were playing together. Doesn't make any
sense to me. There's lots of uh, these guys being the next generation,
which there was a lot of talk about that this episode, and now
we're on denominations. Excuse me. I didn't take a whole lot of notes
in this because I didn't think that most of this was very interesting at the
beginning. Ultimately, the decision comes down to Ed and Emmanuel and they go
around and do the votes and they come to a stalemate even six six nice,
So they do a second vote. You get, you know, talking
heads from Jay saying that he's pissed at Narise and Olivia for voting for Emmanuel
rather than voting with the Alliance. So second and vote around and no one's
changing their vote. No one's changing their vote. Gets to Corey and Corey
burned votes on himself, which then, how did everybody not just jump on
Corey. I would immediately just been like, hey, Corey, Corey,
let's all vote for Corey. Yeah, why didn't they pull it? Oh?
Hey, LeRoy's name got thrown out, let's let's vote for him.
Yeah, Daisy wanted to say, hello, everybody there the cats. Yeah,
I don't know why people didn't search up on Corey either. But so
Corey has voted for himself. And then it continues to go around and the
very last vote is ed, and Ed says there and goes, wait a
second, I'm going to vote for j and he ties it up again.
So it is now five for Ed, five for Emmanuel, and one for
both Jay and Corey. So it's still ed as a manual. They're just
and this was a very move too. Yeah really, well, we could
get intac because I think it's a dumb move. But uh, I also
want to say that Corey did say on Twitter that apparently the vote where Corey
and him flipped their votes was actually the fourth vote they voted three times prior
in production told them this is your last chance. Yeah, I'm glad I
read that because I actually was about to come on this podcast and claimed that
this was production shenanigans to tie it up on purpose, because it seemed like
nobody really fought it, nobody really cared when it was a stalemate twice in
a row and it was just sort of accepted. But when Corey gave that
some context that they voted several times, Production did say this is the last
vote, this is it. That's when Ed did his did his move,
and U s, yeah, I do think it was legitimate. Now I've
come around. Yeah, but you guys think that that was a smart move
of him, because I thought it was stupid to like risk himself. Well,
I don't think he was risking himself. I think he realized if he
tied it up, anybody was going to be vulnerable and whoever goes in might
still come back. So like this was his way of sort of tying himself
to Emanuel and maybe jumping ship to the other alliance. Yeah, I think
this is a pretty good, like a well calculated risk, because yeah,
it's it's either you know, my one of my main alliance people, Emmanuel
is going down, or I tie it up and we still have the chance
of like Corey going down. So I don't know, I didn't. I
like, I liked this, and I like this more because we actually got
to see some consequences. But yeah, a lot it worked out. But
yeah, Jay is super pissed. He's more pissed than anybody else coming out
of this. But who's at He's pissed at Maurice and Olivia because obviously it's
their fault. Definitely not Ed who have voted emmanueln Yeah, who's also part
of their alliance. Yeah, he's such a fucking moron, Yes he is.
But as they're walking away, Emmanuel talk tells Ed that, you know,
we should have just tried to go for Corey, which I think.
I mean, if they had, I didn't realize that they had done it
four times. So if they had made it through the first you know,
two or even three, they should have just started throwing out Corey's name.
Yeah, I agree, things like this. The public vote is a little
like weird and hard. I do wonder if Corey would have been more at
risk with a private vote. Yeah, I can see that if that were
possible. Yeah, So we move on to elimination, and as everybody's walking
in, they noticed that the draw is not set up next to TJ wonder
why. So soon as they I was like, oh, that's why we
see CT walking. Yeah. So last week, Tim, you mentioned,
actually it might have been both of you mentioned that you were gonna be really
upset if we had this whole challenge and the whole day worth of stuff,
and then it just ended up being all for not and he got to pick.
Anyway, how do you feel about it? Now? There was consequences,
like they could have set it up further to have been a draw,
and this is consequences for them not doing so Now I'm perfectly fine with it
because it's like you fucked up here you go, Yeah, you really fucked
up with who's walking in right? Right? Yeah. I generally hate it
when the challenges rendered moot and in a way like that totally happened this episode.
But yeah, I mean I agree with you, Willie. It's like
a consequence of them not making a decision, So I'm kind of like that's
their fault. You know. I only get upset about this shit when it's
production that's obviously like interfering and fucking shit up as they're about to do on
this elimination. But when is the players fucking shut up, it's like,
well, that's how the game works. I don't know. Yeah, I
I was pretty stoked with how that how this kind of came to came about.
Yeah, yeah, t J. TJJ immediately starts off like rassio.
I see you're down here by yourself, which I'm not super stoked about.
Uh, all you guys up there, you fucked up because you put it
in the stalemate and you put it in my hands and you don't want it
in my hands. You can tell production. Yeah, when production tells TJ
what to say, it's like, come on, I mean TJ. Like
it also kind of came across like TJ seems to really enjoy what he's about
to do, so and he says you don't want to, Like, you
guys are about to go against a monster and you don't want that, and
CT walks out with the chaos. Ma oh god. The clip package for
this was great that was great. We had a very very nice long Johnny.
Yeah, very nice long clip that we knew they'd end with the with
the Johnny backpack. That's how it has to end every time. Well,
like and you got hit, you got the smashes headed eat it sounders.
That was going on, like as he knocked him into the into the trash
can. Yep, he's classic. Love this guy, but it was weird
to see him enter so angrily and throw the mace and the dirt and everything,
and then when he starts talking, he's like super respectful and like humble
and nice to everybody. It's like, what's going on? It shouldna be
mad? So TJ says says his his record, his record is nineteen challenges,
ten finals and five wins. For context, Johnny Bananas is only at
He's only a few numbers different. He is at twenty four instead of nineteen
challenges. He is also at ten finals, but he has seven wins to
CTS five, so there's not that much of a difference there, and it
kind of makes CT's record look a little bit better. CET's got a very
good record, he does. He's also going to get a better record with
eliminations, They pointed out he's also won back to back. Yeah, his
record was not so good like three seasons ago, and then he won two
in a row, and it's like, oh okay, yeah, and I
was like he caught up quit you know. Yeah. Yeah. We saw
him announce that he's here to get warmed up to be on season forty.
He made a few comments that all but guarantee that he's there. Yeah,
which I'm excited for. Goose Force says, what's their head to head finals
record? What do you mean like when they were when they're both in the
finals together running against each other. Who's bet how many times? Oh?
I will look it up. I believe. I believe Bananas is undefeated it
against CT in finals, but I will double check no rivals too. He
beat CT beat Oh that's right, did Tyler? Right? Yeah? Him
and Tyler won No No, no, no no CT and Wes CT and
WES one against Bananas and uh, Frank right, Frank, that's right?
Yeah, Yeah, that's right. Rivals. Okay, m hmm, But
yeah, I guess I don't know off the top of my head either.
I can't even remember them in any other finals together. Yeah, Zach looked
that up and get back to us O Xes bananas beat CT and x's I
can't remember the I can't remember the other ones. CT got right out right,
yeah, right before free Agency got eliminated. He wasn't in the final
and free Agents, Yeah, Zachy, look it up and you will wanted
CT one invasion. Johnny did not well, John he didn't was he wasn't
in the final one. He wasn't in the final. He wasn't in the
final. All right, So back to back to the episode. We can
see Jay actively freaking out on the stage and he's up there just like fully
perspirating, worried, and CT turns to Hirasio and ask him why he's down
there, and Horassio says, because people don't want to see me go to
the final, and CT kind of gives him the same speech that Kara gave
about how I've always gotten, you know, thrown out at the end or
have been able to make it there. So he pulls the same move she
did and he says, kiddo, I'm gonna give you the night off,
give you the break. Yeah, the break I didn't get. But he
calls him kiddo, and it just cracked me up. I love it.
I love dad CT. I just love his attitude. His like attitude is
great. I just yeah, he's he's yeah, he's great CT. Since
dad bod CT he has come back and his personality has gotten just so much
better. Oh he's mellow as hell. He just yeah, you do you
know why has he got divorced? No, he was married, he was
dadbod CT was when they were still dating. Yeah, but his personalities come
back since he's got divorced. Carlin, let us divorced guys, have it.
Come on, let's have a win. It's it's one of it's what
I'm saying. So we can plug hey divorce stories on the app. Just
not and say okay Carlin and we'll move on. Yeah, but still all
right. Uh so he as he's standing up there, he does tell Jay,
you know, we don't have beef, you bebb straight up like I'm
gonna give you the night off, which I love, but not what I
wanted. I love that it probably deflated Jay though. It's sort of like
when when West told Josh we are not rivals. There is nothing like we're
not mad at each other. You know. It was sort of like that
like Jay built it up, is this rivalry and CD is just like,
no, that's not I'm not worried about that. It's kind of a power
move. I like it. I really liked it too. Yeah, so
it looks like Cet and Benaz are one in one in finals. Oh okay,
it's exit. It's got to be X's and rivals too, right together,
they have wild I didn't realize that. Yeah. Interesting, Yeah,
that's that's really wild. I totally thought that they've been in more. Yeah.
I read some really weird Somebody on the MTV Challenge subreddit like assembled a
list of like unlikely challenged facts. I wish I would have read someone on
the show because I've forgotten a lot of them now. But there were some
really surprising ones, and I know I'm gonna screw it up, like like
two really popular characters that have never been on a season together and I want
to say Drell and Anissa, but now that I'm saying that doesn't sound right.
But it was some of these like like they'd both been in a million
and we knew them and it's but they had never like cross paths on the
show. Weird. Yeah, there's weird shit like that on that in the
Challenge world, so bizarre. That's why we still love the show. Yeah
we can still say that, right, sure, Well he so set,
he goes kind of goes down the line and he goes, well, awesome,
I don't know anything about you. I don't, I'm not I don't
have a personal relationship with you. So let's go for it. We keep
it short and sweets a soft look a little shook. He tried to have
a good attitude, but he looked a little a little worried, didn't he
Why do you guys think he actually do you think it is just because he
doesn't have a personal relationship with him, Because I don't know how he would
have a personal relationship with people like Corey and James. Yeah, I was
thinking the same that. Yeah he played a season with us offt but yeah
there's people that he doesn't know at all. Yeah, James was safe,
that's right. But and H were him and Corey on a season together?
They weren't. He posts on Twitter that the season they were on together,
him, him and CT were actually roommates, so they got to spend a
lot of time together. Spies, lies and allies or some ship. Yeah,
and it's been around for a few seasons, and then Emmanuel was also
on that season, right I believe? So yes, yeah, okay,
so I guess it does make sense. So and yes, so Off I
think was the first gone in total madness. So that was what we just
CT just barely knew, you know. Yeah, yeah, that's interesting.
Yeah, and Jay starts freaking out again because he's really upset that ASoP is
now down in the sand. He just goes to give my hug and he's
like no, She's like, well, calm the fuck down. He's like,
I'm really upset. This ship is so stupid to me. It's like
they it's like he's going down to be killed or something like he's gonna be
fine. Jay is the game. You'll see him in a week. Get
over it. Bawling on stage, Give me a break. Yeah, he
was also just going to like quick back to the CT and Giant stuff.
They actually did do one other final together, but that was a chance first
starts and they're on the same team they won together, gotcha, So that
doesn't really matter in two different ways. Yeah, but that's good to know.
Uh, all right, the game they have to move to. They
have to move a two hundred and fifty pound giant wheel around in a circle
and then ultimately set it upright. It's got a big giant pole on one
end, and on that pole is an equation that it's missing the numbers,
but it has it's missing the numbers of the equation, but it has the
ultimate answer. And TJ tells them that all of the numbers that fit into
this equation are prime numbers. Carlin, you're slowing down? Is that THHC
drink hitting you? It's anybody else noticed that? So sorry, I was
trying to pay attention to the dog. It's like somebody put Carlin on slow
motion. Ye chat m do you see it? All right? So mathlete,
what are prime numbers? Prime numbers are numbers that cannot be divided by
anything other than themselves and one and one. I'm just I'm just being proper,
that's all true. Yeah. It starts off, CT's moving this weight
like it's no problem at all. But surprisingly, awso have kept off with
him quite a bit. He seemed like three seconds behind. I mean it
was really close. Yeah, they set those things up, but almost the
same time, it was surprising. Yeah, the physical part of this elimination
took like forty seconds, and then it's watching CT do math. Yeah,
yeah, they brought CT in to do a math problem. It's yet again
another physical competitor that they just they dropped the ball out on all of these
except for Jordan's. They dropped the ball in every elimination in Casey Yeah,
Casey, Yeah, that's right. I keep saying that she was on this
season because I was going to bring up I wonder if they asked the people
if they could they would do like a physical one. And I wonder if,
since the most they could win was ten thousand dollars, if most of
them were just like nah, yeah, I kind of think, I mean,
there's got to be something like that, but there has to be better
eliminations than what we've seen that are not like put CT down there and not
so fast, yeah, not so fast. It would have been a pretty
pretty harmony. I love that elimination. It is one of my favorites because
I was going to say it seems like of all of them, Casey would
have been like, oh yeah, total physical whatever. She would have been
down for it, and maybe everybody else was like, eh, I'm not
I'm not expelling a ton of energy on this situation. Yeah, I get
that, But then that's that's also production aray, because they have enough champs
saying that then pick a different direction, Like I don't want to watch a
whole fucking season of people that don't give a shit about and then the champs
come in and they play these little fucking carnivals watching seats, you do a
math problem, Like that's really what we're doing watching Durrell's fucking catch it on
fire with his feet, Like, what's going on with this show? Why
did they pick these games? Yeah, they picked a bunch of games that
are it's it's individual games played at the same time. Yeah, it's stupid.
It's really stupid. They need to have one fan that's a that's a
producer that's like, no, why would people give a shit about this?
Yeah? I don't get it. Come on, come on, MTV,
we get awesome, awesome, super confused during this entire finale or not finale,
this entire elimination. He cannot figure out what a prime number is,
and he does not seem to be very good at math in any way shape
or for this poor guy, I know, it's unfortunate he has the whole
house, like telling them what to do, and then CT's over there just
quiet by himself. Then all of a sudden he's like check and they're like,
yep, you got it. Yeah, yeah, he says in his
confessionals, go slow, be methodical, don't make mistakes. That's where you
lose. Like it makes sense, but still it's math like I'm not I
don't give a shit, I'm not interested, I don't care. Yep.
So this Infinity fucked up again this week. Instead of cutting it off right
before the elimination happened like they did last week on the on demand version,
this week, they took the exit interview and put it before, like in
the middle of the elimination. So I saw the exit interview before the challenge,
before the elimination was finished. It was like, oh, okay,
well, I guess I know who wins. Now that sucks. I mean,
I'm glad that CT won, but I would have liked to see the
ending of this before seeing the exit interview. Oh my gosh. Can you
imagine if CT lost, what an unsatisfying episode this would be, Oh my
gosh. Yeah, the confess he gets from ACE off the rest of the
season. It took. Yeah, him and J would sit there just fucking
giggling, smug as fuck for the entire episode, the entire season. Really,
this what would have made this episode perfect, really is if CT called
J down and it was a physical elimination and J beat the ship out of
or CT beat the ship out of JA like Rogan did or something, and
then I would be cheering this episode to be my favorite episode in many seasons.
But didn't work out that. I mean that would would that have been
fun? That would have been great. We hate J more and more and
more. And then CT comes and fucking just bashes the ship out of him
and kicks him out of the game. Oh man. I think it was
almost better that he didn't get called down, though, because now he's now
he does have the wind taken out of his sales. He is not as
big and bad as he thought that he was. But that's not what he
said at the end of the episode, So now he's really pissed off and
he's going to use it to motivate him. Yeah, what about that,
Carl? And Well, while the alumna should be more fun to watch,
I would much rather get Ace off off the season than Jay, Like I
want them both one, but ASoft needs to go first, really, just
like a personality thing or any other reason. Yeah, just because I find
him less bearable than Jay. They're about They're about time for me. Swanny
has jumped into the chat room and said Asof said production had to change the
equation three times because they both couldn't figure it out and they spent hours.
Jesus, that makes us even worse. The physical part was less than a
minute, and they spent hours doing math. Yeah, that's yeah, I'm
really happy that they cut it down. Then yeah, oh god, I
don't understand why they what their choices were on it. I don't understand why
they've picked these eliminations. They've all been awful. It's no good. So
Asof ends up going home because he can't figure out math or what prime numbers
are. Uh, And then like the entire fuck house starts crying, what
was this? What was this? I mean, maybe it's just like lack
of sleep and they're cold and tired and hungry and want to go home,
and they've been standing out there for hours exhaustion. I mean maybe I don't
there's nothing that can make this make sense to me. It was very weird.
Ye. And then we get CT saying at one point time in his
little speech before he left, he goes, uh, this is the best
class of new contenders that they've seen in a long time. Come on you
are that's the dad CT that's trying to pet people up and be positive.
But he doesn't. It's the participation trophy. This is we need the I'm
gonna smash his head and eat it CT to come back start whooping some ass.
Maybe maybe not even the CT that took on t O would Yeah,
I would deal with that. I don't know that I want the once to
beat Adam's ass. CT. It's a little on the scar of Adams on
here. Just send them in for one season, it's fine. Yeah,
that's the end of the episode. All right. Well there was both satisfying
and unsatisfying episode. Well the coming next week or coming soon or whatever.
The trailer TJ said something about like a lot of you are going home soon
or something. So I'm like, oh, good, we need something.
We need like four people eat next couple episodes ago home. Yeah, we
need some purges. Yeah that's really that's gonna be the only thing that can
shake up this dynamic like, we've got to get people out of there and
see how that changes the game. Swanni says to rate the episode two h
zero. Wait you you put an episode like two or three episodes ago where
no one went home and you were pissed off about it at like a three.
This is a zero. I'm more and more jaded every week and someone
went home. This is a zero. And you like the mini challenge?
All right, all right, all right, final too, I'll go to
two. Sorry mini final. Listen. This season's garbage and I'm not gonna
apologize for thinking that this season fucking sucks. The characters are all terrible.
The eliminations are stupid, They're wasting my veterans, and I'm angry about it.
And our reviews are not happy about me being mad, but I'm still
mad. Oh do we have reviews? Yeah? I don't know if you
saw Wes's tweet, but he said this season's not the best ever, but
it's ten times better than you. Twitter people are making it sound No,
it's not. It is. It is exactly as hated as the fans say
it is. Like, it's ridiculous for Wes to say the fans are wrong
or the fans are exaggerate, like come on, yeah, I don't feel
like Wes gets a vote in this No, like he's always going to air
on the side of this is a better show than everyone thinks it is because
he has been on this show so many times. Yeah, it's ridiculous for
him to say, like, sorry, Twitter, you're all wrong. No,
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beat Michelle too. But these people are biased to the point of being boring.
Uh, yeah, we're biased. We're allowed to be. It's our
podcast, that's right, listen to another one if you don't like our opinions.
Right, are we supposed to be unbiased? That sounds like a boring
Right, who wants to listen to an unbiased podcast? It sounds like lots
of sitting on the fence and flippy floppy people. Yeah, those fence sitter
flippy floppies. They should have been here, like they missed that. They
need to listen more. They can hear me try to argue why, like
why Josh is amazing, and you guys can tell me why it's not.
Yea, it won't be biased. That's I'm pretty sure you were gone for
two weeks in a row because we had two weeks of no one talking about
Josh. Uh, Carl, do you want to read Jokers. This is
why we all just started laughing. In the middle of Zachie saying something,
Joker said that he has returned because Carlin said that she stopped wearing pants,
definitely with the five dollars. I'm pretty sure that was last episode before in
time I said I wasn't wearing pants or I couldn't I could do the show
that way. I don't remember something along those lines. I am wearing pants.
Pretty sure I was wearing pants then too, you can get around the
car. They cancel the subscription, Carlin, just wear like shorts or a
skirt. Then you're still like you're in the rant and it's not pants.
You know that it's zero degrees outside, right, well, just just wear
pants. But one of the male listeners ask if you have pants on lions.
They know no. Right now, Tim and and Zach and Bananas are
all watching a man I'm sitting here completely butt naked. You two can see
it for fives not yet, I mean technically only fans can can see the
video's Zach, do we got any social media stuff? We do? We
have a ton of baby news this week. We know Tim loves the kids,
Ashley Ashley Kane just had a son. It congratulations to him. Which
Ashley is that is that the Dario Ashley, that's the the guy Ashley Mail
Ashley, the big guy. Oh, so he didn't just have a baby.
His partner just had a baby. That's I said him and his I
think I said wife. It's his wife or girlfriend. He's the one he
lost a daughter or some something a couple of years ago, right, he
did. And he's actually in major backlash now because this new child, So
this maybe is with a different woman than his first one he lost. And
the baby has the same middle name as his original daughter and the same initials.
Oh, people are giving him crap for it. I don't think that's
that bad. Same middle name. Me and my dad have the same middle
name. Me and Wolfe have the same middle name. Me and Wolfe's dad
have the same middle name. I know people are I think it just feels
a little a little weird because I don't know. Yeah, it feels like
he's find it. It could be perceived as he's trying to replace the first
daughter. Yeah, maybe the middle name is a tribute to somebody and they
just wanted to continue the tribute, you know what I mean, Like it's
his mom or something. Jamie's on board, isn't The middle name is diamond,
So yeah, I think, Okay, I got a little weird.
I know why. My like, my my mom and my sister have the
same middle name. My dad, my grant and his dad have the same
name just flipped. It's like first name, middle name flipped. I think
it's a little strange because it's siblings that have the same middle name, but
one is not there. I mean, one's no longer there, but they're
still technically siblings that have the same middle name. Yeah, I mean maybe
they're He's just trying to honor his hey. Argue with George Foreman, who
has four sons with the same goddamn name, Zach. What's your middle name?
Adam? Adam? Who is Zach? And Adam? You went z
and A. You got the whole alphabet. Carlin, what's yours? Dora?
Is it really Dora? Yeah? Wow, Carlin, Dora explorer?
That's crazy, all right? And Zach, wait is yours is your middle
name? Zach? Or is your first name? Zach? First name is
Zach? Okay? Who do I? Who do I mix up? That
went by their middle name? All right? Doesn't matter. Wait, what
are your wolf's middle name? Joe Joseph? Joe Joseph Joseph uh And other
baby news, Cyrus and his wife just announced they're expecting. Oh yeah,
for Cyrus seasons like his fifties he has he's fifty two, so he'll be
seventy when the child lives out to Jesus, Christ will be dead. And
then Swaggy and Bailey just gave birth to their son. Swaggy did baby.
Bailey just gave birth to her and Swaggy's son. Don't don't. Don't say
it the other way because guys don't give birth. Give the credit to her
Zach just not say Okay, okay, say they just welcomed their first child.
Okay, they welcome Yes. And then we also have an announcement of
a new Challenge spinoff coming. Have you guys heard about this yet? No?
No? Yeah called the Challenge Home to her and basically sounds like it's
gonna be like MTV Cribs, but specifically for Challengers. They're going to go
look at their like childhood homes, meet their family, talk about their background,
their life growing up, kind of like what led them to where they
are now. Exactly what none of us wants. That's starting with Cara and
Bananas, right. Uh, they are on the promo photos. I'm assuming
they will be definitely beyond it. Yeah, Goosford says don't care. I
also don't and I love the Challenge, but I didn't watch that Challenge documentary
and I have no interest in this, and I don't think i'll watch it.
I don't know why Challenge documentary because it's fun, like you get to
see the games, you see the actual the challenges, the eliminations, you
see pieces from all of those. But I really don't care about any of
their childhood homes and families and hometowns. Yeah, no, I'm not I'm
not gonna watch this. Are you gonna watch this? Sac? I will
definitely be watching this, just the Banana's episode. Are you gonna watch the
car one too? I'm gonna watch all of them. They'll be watching the
Bananas episode. So that's five dollars on Patreon if anybody, Well, let's
see if you guys are gonna watch, I can just tell you about it
each week and tell you what you missed. We can do that. Yeah,
we can do little Yeah, yeah, you can do the quicker recap.
Yeah, what else? And that's all I got for social That's like,
oh, well, the next mon thing. That's so when we talked
about the club scene earlier, one thing we left out is I don't know
if you guys noticed, but at one point we got a clip of Raven
grinding on Kyland, and so Melissa and Raven have been going back and forth
on Twitter over Kyland. Yes, Melissa posted a picture of Raven on his
laugh and said, my mom always taught me to give my used toys to
the less fortunate. And then Raven replied, saying what did she say?
She said, like, I sent, I sent you home and took your
man and then uh, and then Melissa's just like you've been with pretty much
every man in that house, like not just him. Yeah. See,
this is like, this feels trashy and not fun to me. This does
not feel like the challenge that I'm that I used to care about. This
feels trash I guess. I mean, I feel like this is the challenge
we used to I feel like this is what we used to get on the
show itself. Now unfortunately we just get it on Twitter. Maybe I'm just
old down and I don't have the patience for it. Like I think in
the old day, I think in the old days this you know, in
this on Twitter, we try to get this like somehow brought up at the
reunion. That's true. Uh, this is what happens when you throw drinks
on each other. Yeah, all right, well I guess that's it.
That's it right this episode of Challenge, I've been Brian, big Uncle,
Sweetee, Carl and san Diego, Zach give benas and uh Sheet says,
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