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And now Audio Theater Central. Hello, welcome to Audio Theater Central. This

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is the show that explores family friendly
audio drama through news, reviews and interviews.

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I'm your host, JD. Sutter, and this is episode one hundred

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and ninety eight, jam packed episode
as usual. We've got a review of

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Adventures and Odyssey album seventy four coming
up with Austin Peachey. I'll be responding

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to some feedback from Mark Henry Cooney. I've got a bunch of audio drama

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updates coming up here shortly, and
a little bit of a monologue where I'm

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going to address a question that I'm
guessing that some of you out there have

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had. What's the deal with the
Seneca Awards and the ATC reviews? What's

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going on? JD? Well,
we'll get into all of that here in

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a moment, but before we get
to that, just a quick reminder that

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episode two hundred is coming up.
Some really fun stuff in that episode and

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I'm really excited about it. But
I would love to have you be involved.

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So if you would like to record
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that episode, please do so.
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couple of different other methods for recording
right on our contact page on our website,

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so be sure to do that very
very soon. As this episode is

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already in the works, we interrupt
this program to bring you a special report

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and in other news tonight, a
brief look at the headlines now they want

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exciting, fast piece news that's relevant
and entertaining like this. Well, as

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a reminder, if you have any
news about an audio drama, please send

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it to us so we can get
it into this update segment. You can

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send it to us via the new
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access that by going to PFM dot
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button in the sidebar on our website
at audiotheatercentral dot com. Well, first

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up, I just want to say
a big congrats to your Story Hour on

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their seventy fifth anniversary. That is
just an amazing, amazing milestone. You

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know, their slogan or their theme
is making boys and girls of today better

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men and women tomorrow, and I
love that and they have been a stalwart

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in this space for so long now. So March of twenty twenty four marked

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their seventy fifth year. Julie Clayburn, the president of Your Story Hour,

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wrote an article in their newsletter and
there is a link in the show notes

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if you want to check that out
and just again want to say congratulations to

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Your Story Hour. Well. Next
up are a couple of recent releases,

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and actually these are recent podcast appearances
that will get to first in case you

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missed it. Story Chat had two
episodes with Tory Martin, who was a

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writer for Adventures Ndyssey and was the
creative behind the character of Wotton Bassett,

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which I know is a big fan
favorite and a lot of people love that

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character. So there are two episodes
that were released in February, and so

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those are both linked in the show
notes if you want to check those out.

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And also another podcast, this time
the official Adventures Nadyssey podcast. Will

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Ryan's widow, Nancy, made an
appearance on that show talking about some stories

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and memories of Will. Great great
episode there and that was also released in

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February. Nancy, I haven't met
her in person, but we've had some

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email communications in recent years, and
she seems to be such a sweetheart and

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I'm so grateful that she was a
minimal to the AIO team's proposal to use

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the AI software to clone Will's voice
for those episodes that we heard, and

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it would just been so so much
harder to say goodbye to that character without

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having that, you know, that
sound of Will's voice at least one more

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time. So that is a really
interesting episode that you'll probably want to check

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out if you haven't heard already.
Now a couple of recent audio drama releases.

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First off is episode two of the
Heritage series from LRT Media. It

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is called Pony Bob and it released
on March eighteenth, has a runtime of

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about fourteen minutes, and here is
the summary. Saddle up and hold on

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tight as you experience the ride of
a lifetime. Step into the wild frontier

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of the eighteen sixties with Pony Bob, the gripping tale of a young rider

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for the legendary Pony Express. It's
a journey filled with heart pounding action,

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daring escapes, and the true grit
of a hero who risked everything to deliver

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the mail. Follow the harrowing adventures
of young Robert Bob Haslam as he battles

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raging storms, hostile tribes, injuries, and the unforgiving wilderness, brimming with

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historical details and a cast of unforgettable
characters. Pony Bob is a must listen

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for anyone who craves adventure, courage, and a glimpse into the making of

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American legend. Wow, that is
a big summary for a short audio drama,

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but it's accurate. I've heard this
episode. It's a lot of fun.

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Really enjoyed it. So link is
in the show notes if you want

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to go ahead and grab yourself a
copy of pony Bob from the Heritage series

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from LRT Media. Also recently released
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Show. Now, don't let that
title deceive you. This is not a

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music show. It does have some
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show with music interspersed in it.
Now, the episode that was just recently

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released is the one that they recorded
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it is part of season two of
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Has Kara O'Brien in it, Sam
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just a really really fun show that
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you like sketch comedy. Some very
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I heard from several people that this
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Sonicicon weekend, outside of the sessions
where they were learning things, but in

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terms of the entertainment sessions, this
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I think it's a one that you're
going to really enjoy. Links in the

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show notes if you want to check
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moving into a couple of items that
are still yet to come, but ones

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that I'm very excited for. First
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Now, we did an interview with
Kinney Sargent not too long ago talking

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about their first couple of releases,
Generations and Wayfarer, and he did tease

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that they were working on Generations two. Well, it is almost done.

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It is called Generations to the DC
Gambit, and I happen to have a

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little bit of inside info on the
cast, but I'm not sure if I'm

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allowed to share that yet, But
just rest assured there's some really great talent

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involved in this cast this time around. Not to mention the core cast of

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Generations one will be reprising their roles, but at the time of the release

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of this episode. They have either
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that they had to record or are
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one recorded and about two thirds of
the music has been written, and they're

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about one fifth of the way through
the sound design phase, so in post

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production now. But they are shooting
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that is not a concrete date,
so don't hold them to that, but

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that's what their goal is. And
this is shaping up to be a really

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exciting, exciting audio production. Now, remember this is not a straight audio

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drama. This is a dramatic performance
of an audio book with sound design and

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music and a full cast. But
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a little teaser for you. Here's
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give you a little taste of what
you can expect. The men of power

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must think of himself as a chess
master. Are you saying that you have

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a task that requires three of the
best hit contract fulfillment operators on the East

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Coast? Let's call it a tale
of two senators. I don't care anymore

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what people think. It's time to
clean up the hill. You've done nothing

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except take up space in this chamber
for nine years. Isn't he planning to

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run for president? He is?
We wanted to win. He organizes the

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X and manipulates from outside the game. Hey, gedge, I'm picking up

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some really weird vibes. Kingston has
also hired a world class hacker spy versus

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spy something like that. But how
does it help us? The enemy of

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my enemy is my friend. We're
going to run a high stakes gammit Ryberry,

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blackmail and intimidation become the presdent,
the butter for the want to be

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emperor. I think it's time for
us to turn up the heat. That's

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it. What is They're going to
assassinate Senator Smith. It's the riskiest part

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of the overall plan. It always
is when it's time to kill. Who

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are you? I'm a man who's
looking for some men information. Don't they

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teach you anything in hacker school?
If you want to live longer than fifteen

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seconds, you'll tell me everything you
know. There's got to be a way

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out. I don't think so.
Bro Melankey's right outside the door. Release

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her or die, kill them,
sir, stop dad. Every so often,

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however, it remains only what it
course elimination. Hello, mister Nolan

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God, if you don't help me
now, I might be seeing you in

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a few minutes. Generations two the
DC gambit. Oh my goodness, that

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is so amazing. I'm on the
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to hear how this all plays out. Now, if you haven't heard Generations

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one, you're gonna want to do
that first. So now is the perfect

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time to go ahead and grab your
copy of that and get all caught up

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on what happened in that first volume, and then you can jump right into

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Generations two. And lastly, also
coming very soon is Brinkman Adventures season ten.

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Been talking with Ian Boltman over there, and I'm really excited about what

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they've got, what they've got planned
for this season. Ian is in the

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final mixing stage right now and it
should be done very very shortly. The

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title of season ten is Redemptive Velocity. It is six episodes, and Ian

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said a little bit about this season
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US in their old RVs, with
the race being broadcasted on social media.

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We deal with apologetics, the truth
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the craziness of an RV race where
anything that could go wrong does. This

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season was written by Ian Boltman and
Darby Kern. Jared Dipasqual composed the score,

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and Alan Hurley did the sound design. Some of the actors Josh Boltman

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and Mike Landers our main some of
our main characters from the series, but

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they'll be joined by Daniel Cross,
Josh Murray, Jonathan Cook, and mikeah

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Touchet. So some great actors that
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the Brinkmans for this release. So
Ian added in a little note, he

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said that he heard something like Jared
spent about four days on one particular scene

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where are d battles another artificial intelligence
chatbot in the virtual realm. He said,

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It's epic, and I think you're
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to hear what the Brinkmans have cooked
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And I'm sure you are as well. Testing one, two, three,

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testing that was just me talking.
I do that a lot. Where's my

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how long you're gonna work with it? That's what I want to talk about.

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So here's what I'm thinking this episode. This is gonna be a tough

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one. It's not gonna be a
fun monologue segment this time. I'm gonna

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be answering the question what's up with
the Senecas and the ATC reviews. I

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don't usually talk about this stuff because
I know you come here for audio drama

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information, not for a play by
play of my personal life, and so

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I usually steer clear of this kind
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bit I think it was back in
September, talking about the future of the

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Seneca Awards and what needed to change. That was episode one eighty four.

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If you missed it, you can
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these health challenges that have been going
through now for quite some time, it's

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just been very difficult and just a
couple of the things that I've been dealing

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with are chronic fatigue and insomnia,
and frankly, it's been all I can

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do to keep ATC going at this
point. Back in the day, I

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don't know if you know this or
not, but with a very few exceptions,

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generally Audio Theater Central episodes were recorded
from start to finish, all in

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one go, and often with all
of the segment transition audio, all of

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that stuff live mixed in during the
session, and I did all of that

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myself, but things have had to
shift to be more segmented, so it's

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not recorded that way anymore. These
days. The segments are generally recorded separately,

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even at different times in different days, and that's just because of the

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way my schedule has got to be. I try to make it as seamless

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as possible, so hopefully you haven't
even noticed that, But that's just the

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reality of what I'm dealing with,
and ATC is behind non reviews. I

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mean, we're behind on Adventures Odyssey
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it's partly because of I just don't
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day to day, and that has
affected my scheduling and how to get things

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done. To bring on a co
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I can do reviews on my own, and I have done that, but

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I generally like to have someone to
play off of and to bounce thoughts back

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and forth with, and I think
it makes for more of an engaging review.

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And I don't like to do reruns. I know there are podcasts out

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there that will sort of do best
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or whatever, or even just replay
an entire episode. Again, I don't

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like to do that. I make
content for people. I make it for

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you, not for algorithms, and
so I always want to try to give

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you something fresh. And you've probably
noticed that there's been a few times where

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I haven't quite hit the deadline and
it's been a day or sometimes in a

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couple of cases, I think a
week late. I don't like doing that,

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but sometimes that's just the way it
happens. So I'm trying my best

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to keep up with what's going on
in the audio drama space and stay on

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top of the reviews, trying to
get caught up. I'm going to do

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the best that we can on that. But what does all of this mean

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for the future of the Seneca Awards, Well, at least for twenty twenty

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four. Again, that conversation that
I had in episode one eighty four outlined

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several things that were just not feasible. We're not working with the existing system

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of the Seneca Awards, and in
order to to implement all of those things

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that need to change for the awards
to continue on and be sustainable, it

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was going to require too much time
and effort on me at this time because

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of the way my health has gone. It has not improved, and in

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fact has gotten worse in some ways, especially over the last few months.

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So it would require you building some
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so I would have to do all
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trying to run a sort of really
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I just didn't feel feel right about
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we're going to do it, let's
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phone it in, so to speak. And so I have had to make

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the decision that there will not be
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a miracle happens within the next month
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things are going to play out this
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I hate to disappoint this industry and
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I enjoy the Cynic Awards myself,
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as long as I could to see
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just not the way things have played
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monologue segment. It's not a happy
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deeply. I really hated to have
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the way things are at this point. If you have any questions about it,

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you can feel free to reach out
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to the best of my ability at
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sorry, and I hope, I
hope you'll stick with us and hold out

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hope that we can relaunch a new, better improved Seneca Awards next year.

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All right, well, let's move
on to more positive things. Let's bring

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Austin Peachey onto the show and let's
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you think of our little plan?
Your characters were weak, your dialogue was

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cliched, and you didn't have much
of a story. Wonderful, everyone,

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We have a delightful show. It's
the Michael, a true genius to use

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symbolism in that way. You may
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per usual, it's always fun to
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this is the one audio drama where
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stops and we don't worry about spoilers
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That's why we wait until it is
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have consumed. However, they get
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not, and in this case it's
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We're we're a little bit behind.
But Austin Peachey is joining me to talk

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about album seventy four of Adventures Odyssey. Buckle up, you're ready to do

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this. I am ready. It's
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Well, this one came out in
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three, and it has a duration
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and it also has a bonus track, which they have been doing quite

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for quite some time now, this
time just one, and we're going to

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get into that a little bit later
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But before we do that, Austin, would you do us the honors and

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share the summary with us. I'd
be happy to the wheels of life futurn.

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I feel I'm rolling down this track
and no Downy's been set in my

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heart a kid, No, it's
heart desert on the fix from the bank.

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You let me do this truth,
and we have made a back west

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we go through has a load mon
sims good to no one. This next

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green me say this. All of
Constabard lives in a belon of coastal bad

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stinging round around Hevern knows wherever you
go, hold lower the lap bar and

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buckle your seat belt. There's a
wild ride ahead for everyone. In Odyssey.

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Renee and Horace have a scientific breakthrough
of monumental proportions. But there's a

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catch. The technology is based on
mister Whitaker's imagination station and he didn't give

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them permission to use it. Will
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name of science. Meanwhile, Olivia
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are raised that she can't answer.
Elsewhere in town, friendships are at stake

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when Buck and Jules hit a rough
patch that couldn't danger theirs, Mari and

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Susi try to find healthy paths for
making new friends, and Wooton faces a

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courtroom struggle that may pay him against
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next steps, both forward and backward, as the folks in Odyssey face all

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sorts of twists and turns, keep
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all times, and buckle up.
Lots of references there in that summary,

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because I mean the reference there to
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away a big point of that episode
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halfway through or something like that,
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I did notice the twists and turns
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homage to the original artwork for album
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I had that in my noteses.
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that's specifically why I chose the song
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here. It was the perfect song. As soon as I was trying to

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think about which song to use for
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mind immediately and I knew I had
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I haven't heard much feedback from people
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using a song to sort of encapsulate
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review, So let me know what
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it, sure let me know.
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know that too. I've only heard
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it's all been positive. So if
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let me know. But anyway,
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did love that whole thing that with
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nod to and interestingly, they didn't
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the album, so kind of a
cool thing. I liked that. Some

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people I heard thought it was kind
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but I thought it was cool.
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throwbacks are. It's not a total
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snowy Day. People had a lot
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an homage. People, they're not
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they're like, hey, how good
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That's what homages are, people.
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cool. So in this album,
we have the episodes Game Night, Renee

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Renewed Legally, Wooten Value in the
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My Heart. So, as usual, we're going to go through these episode

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by episode and we're just going to
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you know, you know how this
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show for any length of time.
So we're just gonna get started with episode

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nine fifty two, Game Night,
written by Well, written and directed by

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Marshall Younger, with post production by
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First off, one of the first
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agent four four three seven, and
then she says, that's not my number.

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Now I know that you have a
better Uh. I don't know what

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the word is. You have a
You retain a lot more of the details

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of the series than I do.
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reference to something that number, or
is that just something that that Marshall just

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pulled out at random, or you
know, I don't think so. I

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don't think we've ever heard Jillian's agent
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he's kind of just made it up, which is kind of fun jokes

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like, oh, that's one thing
you don't know about me. Okay,

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Yeah, so I thought there has
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but apparently not so. I don't
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Marshall knows. But yeah, speaking
of twenty eight hours, this episode is

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kind of like I think I've read
in the Fishy Guide in some other places

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where when you've had these big sagas
or this you know, big actually menu

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or whatever stuff, you had this
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to kind of like calm everything down
again. And I thought this episode is

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kind of like The Mortal Coil and
Best Intentions, where the Mortal Coil is

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a very serious, very kind of
heavy episode, and then you have Best

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Intentions falling after that that's very lighthearted, very comedic. Dealing with the aftermath

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of that. That is a good
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Obviously. There's a connection, of
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entire theme of this episode is how
Jillian can't let on. She has to

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keep up this facade, you know, she can't let them know who she

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really is so oh that that's really
interesting. I hadn't thought about that,

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huh. But the thing is,
Jillian and I think Jason weren't originally part

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of this. It was supposed to
be think Eugenie Katrina. I heard a

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yeah official podcast, I think Marshall
talk about it was going to be that,

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and then since you know, after
all Ryan's passing, they did Jason

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and Gillian, which works great for
this, but this kind of episode,

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it had been so cool to get
one last episode with a lot of really

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you know, classic Eugene and Connie
bantering and bickering, and also have Katrina

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in the mix, which we don't
get that too often. Hmmm. Yeah,

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yeah, that is a shame that
that didn't happen. Hm. I

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remember hearing that as well, and
I didn't think too much about it,

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but yeah, that would have been
really cool. Another thing though about this

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is, speaking of homages and callbacks
and references, Wit says something about Inventor's

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Corner and it's the first time the
Inventor's corners that I mentioned in a very

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long time, and it jumped out
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prepping for this, I was looking
at the wiki and there's a note there

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saying that it's been several decades.
Obviously, that can't be true because the

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show hasn't been running for several decades, has been running for three that's not

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several. But it's been several years
for sure, right, Yeah, like

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probably like pre album fifty one at
least. Yeah, Yeah, that sounds

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about right. But yeah, so
that was kind of cool. The rules

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that Connie had no talking about work, no grumbling about anything, and not

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being too competitive, which is kind
of nice. Like the last one is

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should be a given at any game
night. But I'm interested to hear what

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you thought about this episode in this
aspect, But you know, a lot

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of people had issue with how Connie
was being kind of, i don't know,

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controlling a control freak and kind of
being very you know, dictator like

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in a lot of things, and
being kind of overboard and that kind of

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stuff, And I would say I
would have an issue with that. I

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think when I first heard it,
I had a little bit of a problem,

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but I heard like a lot of
other people had some issues with it.

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However, I think I can excuse
that because almost everybody, all the

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characters, not just Connie specifically,
are kind of at this heightened sense of

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comedic. I'm not sure what the
phrase is, but basically, this whole

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story is a comedy. It's not
a drama. It's not like a Bible

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storiates or anything like that. It's
a comedy. It's meant to be kind

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of that extra goofiness. So it's
not just one character like in Millstones,

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with Connie acting a way out of
character and everyone else being kind of like

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more than normal self where with this
one, you know, people like Wits,

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even Jason to a certain extent,
and Woot and a Penny are pretty

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much the same. Penny maybe a
little bit more on edge than usual with

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all those ants in her house.
I can see why. But I think

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because this whole episode is kind of
geared to be funny and everybody being a

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little unlike themselves, I think I
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So here I I'll just say this
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And I don't remember if I did
an initial reaction in ATC backstage on

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this one or not, but I
do remember the moment when I heard it

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for the first time, and the
whole time I was just I was not

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in a good mood about it.
I was just like, I hate this,

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this is so dumb. I just
kept thinking, this is just absolutely

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stupid and on a repeat listen.
You know, it's not as bad as

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my first reaction to it was.
I still don't care for it all that

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much. It's it's it's definitely never
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But I just thought that whole sit
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It was ludicrous. These these are
full grown adults here, like, come

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on, act like adults, Like
you can have fun and still be an

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adult putting people in the corner,
especially an old man like with like come

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on, and yeah, the misbehaving
man in the corner, as Wooten calls

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him. Oh yeah, yeah,
that was a funny line. Yeah.

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So yeah. It just annoyed me
because that whole thing I just thought was

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just so ridiculous. And then of
course they make that a part of the

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episode where they just all start laughing
and she says, we're all adults here.

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You know, this is this is
crazy. I don't remember what a

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word kinna uses, but so they
do recognize it. But I just thought

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to even do that in the beginning
was crazy. Like the rules that would

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have been fun. I mean,
I think that made sense for this.

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There could have been other ways,
other punishments that could have been enforced that

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would make more sense and be more
realistic. I just thought the whole sitting

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in the corner thing, I don't
know. It did again, it did

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lend itself to some comedy there towards
the end, and you know they're all

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sitting there that's silent, you know, for several beats and so yeah,

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but yeah, it just I thought
it was crazy. It just didn't make

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sense to me. It is odd, But I don't totally blame Connie.

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I mean, yeah, she should
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part of the original rule or the
punishment. Jason was shooting off his mouth

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there being sarcastic, So Jason,
Jason got a little come uppance there.

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Yeah, that's true. That's true. I honestly, I wasn't even thinking

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about is this does this make sense
for the characters? I was just like,

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Marshall, what are you doing?
I love Marshall's episodes normally like this

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one. This one was just like
why why? But there were lots of

406
00:32:58,039 --> 00:33:01,160
funny moments throughout it, though,
so, like I said on re listens,

407
00:33:01,359 --> 00:33:06,240
it did grow on me a little
bit more. But yeah, it's

408
00:33:06,279 --> 00:33:12,279
still not a favorite for me.
But I did like a couple of things

409
00:33:12,319 --> 00:33:15,240
about it. Like Jason says to
Wit right after like the first round of

410
00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:19,440
the trivia game or something like that, he says something like We're coming for

411
00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:22,680
you, you know, and the
music cue there turns all militaristic and like

412
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:28,000
very march, you know, battle
sound, and that was very fun.

413
00:33:28,279 --> 00:33:30,279
I really liked that touch. And
there are a few other moments like that.

414
00:33:30,519 --> 00:33:34,480
But then right after that, Connie
like steps in and it's like,

415
00:33:34,759 --> 00:33:37,680
you know, confronts him for saying
something that was competitive, and the music

416
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,759
instantly switches to a different sort of
sound. I thought that was really cool

417
00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:47,039
of John Campbell to do that.
Yeah, and it's not necessarily a throwback

418
00:33:47,319 --> 00:33:52,559
or call back, but when Jason
brings up that is very competitive and as

419
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,599
as kids, you know, he
was, you know what, didn't take

420
00:33:54,599 --> 00:33:59,680
it easy on his kids. My
mind went back to the Search for Wit,

421
00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:01,559
where Jason says, you know,
hide and Seek was a nightmare when

422
00:34:01,599 --> 00:34:07,160
we were kids. We spent weeks
looking for him. Oh I knew that

423
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,320
line was got had to be a
reference to something, but I could not,

424
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,000
for the life of me think about
what he was referring to there,

425
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,440
So I'm glad you brought that up. That's a good point. Well,

426
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,639
the thing is, in that episode
he says, it's so deadpan with that,

427
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,400
it almost sounds like he actually did
to a certain instead. But this

428
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,719
this sounds more realistic, like I
can see probably some dad's being really competitive

429
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,400
and being hard on their kids.
H Yeah, Well, I don't have

430
00:34:31,519 --> 00:34:36,119
much else to say about this episode. Any final thoughts on this one for

431
00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:39,079
you? Well, I thought it
was really fun that back and forth with

432
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:43,960
Jillian. You kind of see how
difficult it is, Like we haven't had

433
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:49,440
any episodes with Jillian since this has
been released, but it shows in a

434
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,480
comical way, an extreme way of
that switching back and forth. We can

435
00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:58,360
hear both sides of Jillian there.
And I don't know how long they'll continue

436
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,639
that into the future, but I
thought it was really funny with that,

437
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:06,480
and also with Jason having to think
like dumb Jillian basically like and Jason was

438
00:35:06,519 --> 00:35:09,000
like, oh, this is killing
me on the inside, just for not

439
00:35:09,039 --> 00:35:13,920
just with losing but then trying to
think like Jillian I loved like one of

440
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,840
the attributed questions, like oh,
our country is named after this person,

441
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:25,519
Captain America the leaning tower of Eiffel
exactly. Yeah. And also you know,

442
00:35:25,639 --> 00:35:29,679
another old joke to Conya not came
in a secret and like Conda is

443
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,079
you're supposed to draw a picture of
a bubble bee. Oh right, you

444
00:35:31,079 --> 00:35:37,559
don't say that out loud, but
yeah, this episode, I think I

445
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:40,480
was laughing more at it, or
laughing at the jokes more on the second

446
00:35:40,519 --> 00:35:45,360
listen same. I guess after that
kind of initial shock to certain extent of

447
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,679
how Conye was acting this kind of
odd to a certain extent, I think

448
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,360
I enjoyed it a lot more and
appreciate a little bit more. And again,

449
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,760
like I know it's a bit far
fetched, but I don't think if

450
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,119
you, I don't think this episode
would have been as good if it didn't

451
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:04,239
have those kind of hype and more
a little less realistic elements, because it

452
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,239
was just a normal game night where
just be discussion on hey you're cheating and

453
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,360
things like that, kind of like
a slumber and slumber party. Just having

454
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:14,440
these extra elements, like you like
with the music, like give that military

455
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:19,599
military whatever, military, like there
I'll go with the military, like that's

456
00:36:19,679 --> 00:36:24,920
that's safer. But those kind of
things that because it's a comedy and it's

457
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:29,440
not quite like b TV or kids
radio level, but because it's so much

458
00:36:29,519 --> 00:36:34,519
a comedy through and through, I
think it's okay. I just have a

459
00:36:34,559 --> 00:36:38,719
problem with episodes like Millstones where Connie
is totally out of characters like that and

460
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:44,159
everyone else is the same. But
this, this person is different, pewp

461
00:36:44,199 --> 00:36:46,840
were different because of what the story, in the style of the story calls

462
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:52,519
for. It's not my favorite episode
by any means. I probably won't listen

463
00:36:52,519 --> 00:36:54,159
to it a whole lot, but
I don't think it's as bad as some

464
00:36:54,199 --> 00:37:00,719
people said, including other people in
this room with me. Yeah, and

465
00:37:01,039 --> 00:37:05,000
I did like the moment at the
end where Connie basically just lays it all

466
00:37:05,039 --> 00:37:06,960
out. It's like, this is
why I've been doing this, you know,

467
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:08,639
and that that felt very Connie to
me, you know, so,

468
00:37:10,039 --> 00:37:14,599
like you said, I mean,
on the repeat listen to it did grow

469
00:37:14,639 --> 00:37:16,800
on me a little bit. Well, I have to say, which I

470
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,280
know, not every episode has to
be this way. I told about this

471
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,199
many times, Like Aloha Oi,
there's really like a really weak moral and

472
00:37:23,199 --> 00:37:27,719
there's actually no a verse given at
the end of this episode, which is

473
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,039
fine, you don't have to have
that all the time. But I'm glad

474
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:36,519
they didn't shoehorn it in because some
stories a lesson can come naturally, but

475
00:37:36,679 --> 00:37:42,400
some if you try to shoehorn it
in, it comes off more stiff or

476
00:37:42,519 --> 00:37:45,760
out of place. But I think
the place to have more of a talk

477
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,880
about the lessons will be with Chris's
wrap up outside of the story. Yeah,

478
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,920
I mean, and I thought it
was very apparent. It's like,

479
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,000
hey, you need to be there
for your friends when they're when they're going

480
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:58,760
through stuff. So yeah, don't
give it to yourself. Let people help.

481
00:37:59,199 --> 00:38:04,000
Yeah. Yeah, all right,
Well let's move on to episode nine

482
00:38:04,199 --> 00:38:10,199
fifty three. Renee Renewed written and
directed by Phil Lawler, sound designed by

483
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:15,840
Nathan Jones, and music by John
Campbell. So this is an interesting one.

484
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:21,400
And I said earlier we're going to
mention the bonus content for the album,

485
00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:27,320
and it was a track. I
think it was called Welcoming Renee or

486
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,239
Introducing Renee Carter or something like that. It was about four minutes of clips

487
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:36,760
from previous Renee episodes from the club. Because this is the first time this

488
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,599
character has made an appearance in a
mainstream album. And I've said this before,

489
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:46,559
I've never really liked that to have
a major even though I guess major's

490
00:38:46,599 --> 00:38:51,559
probably overstating it a little bit,
but I don't think of her as a

491
00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:54,079
small character. I mean, it's
not a bit part. She may maybe

492
00:38:54,119 --> 00:38:59,800
just a minor character, but she's
an employee at wits end or an intern,

493
00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:02,920
and so it's like, I mean, I don't understand why she was

494
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,880
ever exclusive to the club to begin
with, but I am so glad they

495
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:14,239
finally brought her out into the publicly
released albums now and it was an interesting

496
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,880
time for them to do this because
up until this point, she's been voiced

497
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:22,199
by Amy Pemberton, and this was
the first episode where she was voiced by

498
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:28,440
Caitlin Thorburn. Both of them are
British actresses doing Scottish accents, and they

499
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,559
did a great job with it.
And I actually didn't even notice a difference.

500
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,800
I didn't pick up on the change
at all until somebody else pointed it

501
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,119
out to me, and then I
was like, oh, yeah, okay,

502
00:39:38,199 --> 00:39:42,519
I can hear little subtle differences,
but I would I don't think I

503
00:39:42,519 --> 00:39:47,159
would have noticed it, so I
think it was a pretty solid transition considering

504
00:39:47,199 --> 00:39:51,440
some of the other ones that we've
had in the past from actor to actor.

505
00:39:52,199 --> 00:39:55,960
Yeah, I have a lot of
thoughts about this episode, so going

506
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:01,840
to what you said of bringing her
in into the mainstream episodes. Originally,

507
00:40:02,039 --> 00:40:06,760
I think on the Q and A
podcast her first episode, Things Is Not

508
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,119
Seen, was supposed to be an
album sixty and for some reason they moved

509
00:40:10,119 --> 00:40:14,440
into the Club, which I think
was a mistake. They should have won

510
00:40:14,559 --> 00:40:19,199
with the original plan with that,
because I do like Renee. I do

511
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,000
like the character quite a bit.
She's one of the best new characters up

512
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,519
there with Wilson and Jay. Like
her and those two other characters are the

513
00:40:24,519 --> 00:40:30,880
best new characters we've gotten on the
show since the relaunch, and I'm glad

514
00:40:31,519 --> 00:40:37,760
she's in the mainstream albums now.
However, two things are really working against

515
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:45,719
that. One is it comes around
the time that Eugene is being phased out,

516
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:50,039
and I'm just afraid people outside of
the Club that have never heard any

517
00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:53,039
Renee episodes will think of her as
just a, oh, she's a Eugenie

518
00:40:53,079 --> 00:40:55,960
replacement, when she's been on the
show for quite a while with Eugene and

519
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:01,920
in some episodes with Eugene. But
I think so that negativity will attach itself

520
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:08,760
to her character. And along with
that, this episode shows Renee at her

521
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:14,159
absolute worst, and that's not a
great introduction to a brand new character,

522
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:15,760
Like she's not a brand new character, but to the mainstream albums, she

523
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:21,440
is, and I think there's just
a lot against her. Like if I

524
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,079
had as a guest, I would
say, pray at least fifty percent of

525
00:41:24,119 --> 00:41:29,519
the Odyssey listeners now have the Club
or I've listened to the Club episodes and

526
00:41:29,559 --> 00:41:31,079
pray I've heard to a couple episodes
of Renee. They've seen her in the

527
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:37,280
comics and the elsepren Odyssey and the
bite sized adventures and promotional material and things

528
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:42,559
like that. But I think I
mentioned this as somebody before, is that

529
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,760
I wish they would have the essential
Renee episodes from the Club, like her

530
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:53,239
first episode Things Not Seen, a
Forgiving Heart. World of Wintonia and the

531
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:58,239
Boat People isn't as essential, but
since that has so much ties to WIT's

532
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,360
past, that'd be nice. But
those on the radio, and this is

533
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:06,880
before Renee Renewed came out and I
was thinking it'd being it would have been

534
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,000
a great idea if when they aired
this episode, to air like three or

535
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:15,599
four or five Renee episodes on the
radio, like on Saturday, and then

536
00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:20,360
play Renee Renewed. That way,
people know her character leading up to that

537
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,920
a little bit more, get to
like her a lot better before going into

538
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,800
this. And it's not an uncommon
thing to happen that amount. But they

539
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,679
have aired a predicament of biblical proportions
around bring About with a school Day,

540
00:42:31,679 --> 00:42:37,079
and that's a club exclusive, and
they've aired hidden gems on the folks on

541
00:42:37,159 --> 00:42:40,960
any daily broadcast, I think for
the thirtieth or thirty fifth anniversary of Odyssey

542
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,360
something like that, So it's not
unheard of to do that. And they

543
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:51,840
don't necessarily have to put those Renee
Club episodes into an album or air them

544
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,400
all the time. But for the
first time for people listening to on the

545
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:58,599
radio to listen to those, I
think it would been beneficial and a better

546
00:42:58,639 --> 00:43:04,280
introduction to Renee rather than rather than
have this episode be just the first introduction

547
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,320
to her. That is a really
interesting point, and I want to talk

548
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:12,360
to your point about the Eugene correlation
here in a minute. But I did

549
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,199
not realize that they have ever aired
on the radio clubs episodes before. So

550
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:19,920
that's interesting to me, and I
think you have a very valid point with

551
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,039
this. That would have been a
really great way to introduce her now.

552
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:28,159
It's very true that she's definitely not
at her best here. I don't know

553
00:43:28,199 --> 00:43:30,920
if it's her worst, because she's
had some pretty low moments, I think,

554
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:35,880
but this is definitely not her best, and so yeah, it is

555
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,800
an interesting point to introduce her now. I think it might have something to

556
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:44,079
do with the whole transition from being
an intern to an official employee of witsand

557
00:43:44,159 --> 00:43:47,960
so maybe that's why they decided to
move her to the mainstream albums at this

558
00:43:49,039 --> 00:43:52,559
point. But yeah, the timing
with Eugene, that is interesting now.

559
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:58,280
So in that particular bonus track,
they do have a point. They make

560
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,599
a point of using a clip of
Phil lah Are saying, you know,

561
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:07,320
he doesn't explicitly say she's not replacing
Eugene, but he compares these characters in

562
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:13,119
Odyssey to different characters on Star Trek, and they correlate to different ones,

563
00:44:13,199 --> 00:44:16,679
and he mentions that Eugene is I'm
not a Trekkie, so I don't remember

564
00:44:16,679 --> 00:44:21,559
the characters. I'm sorry, don't
hate me. You people who love Star

565
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:24,679
Trek out there, but he said, he said, specifically, Eugene is

566
00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:29,159
X character. And then he said, but we didn't have an engineer,

567
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,880
and that's where Renee came in,
and so Renee is X Star Trek character.

568
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,639
So he made a distinction to say, you know, these are two

569
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:42,079
very different characters correlating to their you
know, Star Trek counterparts, so to

570
00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:45,599
speak. So he was that.
I think that was an intentional thing for

571
00:44:45,639 --> 00:44:47,559
them to put in there. And
then also Chris does come in at the

572
00:44:47,639 --> 00:44:52,159
end of that track saying, if
you'd like to hear more about Renee's journey

573
00:44:52,199 --> 00:44:54,679
or something like that, listen to
these episodes with her in the club.

574
00:44:54,800 --> 00:45:00,960
So that whole thing was very interesting
for them to do. And I think

575
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:06,079
that does sort of address the issue
that you brought up. And also they

576
00:45:06,119 --> 00:45:08,840
put that in front of this episode. A lot of times the bonus material

577
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,440
is at the end. I mean
sometimes it is interspersed, but a lot

578
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,840
of times the bonus tracks are at
the end of the album, and this

579
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:20,000
was right in front of the Renee
renewed episode. So I think they were

580
00:45:20,039 --> 00:45:23,280
thinking about a lot of these issues. But I do think that your point

581
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:29,119
about airing them on the radio would
have made some really good sense. And

582
00:45:29,199 --> 00:45:31,599
yeah, just because they may air
them on the radio at some point doesn't

583
00:45:31,639 --> 00:45:35,119
mean they have to put them in
the regular rotation, like you said,

584
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,159
and it doesn't mean that they have
to add it to an album release.

585
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:42,559
But I think you've got a really
good point about that. You know,

586
00:45:42,599 --> 00:45:45,960
to add them in right before this
album went out, obviously, I mean,

587
00:45:46,599 --> 00:45:52,559
we are you know, we're armchair
quarterbacking a year behind, you know,

588
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,239
so this is obviously way too late. But I think that's a very

589
00:45:55,239 --> 00:46:00,039
good point. But overall, I
agree with you as well that I do

590
00:46:00,159 --> 00:46:04,840
like the character of Renee. Generally
speaking, I think she's a great addition.

591
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,119
I don't know if I like her
as much as I like Wilson or

592
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:12,840
Jay, but I do think she's
pretty solid and it'll be interesting to hear

593
00:46:13,039 --> 00:46:15,360
where they go with a character,
you know, in the future. So

594
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:21,400
now, one thing is when they
announced the titles, because they, you

595
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,599
know, sometimes leak the titles out
way before the albums, a lot of

596
00:46:24,599 --> 00:46:28,719
people were thinking, oh, this
is the episode where she's gonna get saved.

597
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,840
You know, she's going to become
a Christian in this episode just because

598
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:35,559
of the title. Did you think
about that at all? I think I

599
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,480
might have heard that theory, but
I don't think I ever gave it much

600
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:44,039
thought or credibility to it, because
it wouldn't make sense for a brand new

601
00:46:44,119 --> 00:46:50,000
character quote unquote to become saved when
in the club. All those episodesly up

602
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,639
to it is, and so unfortunately, we'll probably have to wait a lot

603
00:46:52,639 --> 00:46:57,519
longer for Renee's conversion arc since this
is starting. She's basically starting brand new

604
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:02,440
in the mainstream albums. But actually
it wasn't until like were listening to this

605
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:07,679
episode for the review, is when
I fully got the title, like Renee

606
00:47:07,679 --> 00:47:10,480
renewed, like she's renewing her time
there with Send kind of like you know,

607
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:14,960
you renewed contract and things like that. For some reason, if I

608
00:47:15,039 --> 00:47:16,519
click with me, like, oh, yeah, that's that's part of the

609
00:47:16,519 --> 00:47:19,800
meeting, like at least one of
the meanings of it. Yeah, that's

610
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,199
what I took from it, and
I suppose there might be something else,

611
00:47:22,559 --> 00:47:25,159
but yeah, that's what I was
thinking of too. Now I mentioned the

612
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:29,719
music in the last episode. There
was a really cool thing in this one

613
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:36,079
too. There's an obvious Scottish feel
and theme to the music in this episode.

614
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,039
And I mean it's not unusual for
composers to do that, but I

615
00:47:39,079 --> 00:47:44,840
always like it when they do.
Because this is very much focused on Renee,

616
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,960
even though there are some subplots going
on. It was just a cool

617
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,760
touch and I really liked it well, I think because not every episode with

618
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,880
Renee, even though even though she's
been a main focus, I don't think

619
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:59,199
I've had the Scottish musical stylings.
But again, I think it's part of

620
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,559
the setups. She's a Scottish character, like if you don't know by her

621
00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:05,320
acts, and he had this music
to go along with it for the people

622
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,199
that don't know her character that well. Yeah, but it's still cool listen

623
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:14,760
to mm hm. Another thing talking
about, you know, the different elements

624
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:19,320
of the episode, all of those
computer and gadget sound effects were quite cool

625
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,559
sounding, like with it when they
were working on the gadget that Horace was

626
00:48:22,599 --> 00:48:27,760
working on. I shout out to
Nate Jones for that. It just sounded

627
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,719
really cool. Yeah. Although I
could say to the end, but I'll

628
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:37,599
say now this is from my least
favorite episode in the album Okay one because

629
00:48:37,639 --> 00:48:42,760
of the way Renee acted in this
and the kind of setup for her debut

630
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:47,039
in the mainstream albums. But I'm
annoyed, even more so than Connie,

631
00:48:47,199 --> 00:48:51,960
of how Horrace is in this episode. And he's not Horace. He is

632
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,960
not a clumsy individual. He's a
very one note character, where in the

633
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,119
past he had the kind of more
goofy sometimes like confident, but you know,

634
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:04,239
kind of quirky and clumsy and that
kind of stuff. None of those

635
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,079
elements really, especially of the clumsiness, was part of this episode, So

636
00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:12,119
it basically could have been any other
brainy individual or even Eugene himself to a

637
00:49:12,159 --> 00:49:15,400
certain extent. Well not quite because
of the way the technology worked and you

638
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:21,000
know how it was designed or whatever. But that part of Horace's character was

639
00:49:21,039 --> 00:49:24,920
gone. And it's also sad too
because this is his first mainstream episode.

640
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:29,440
He's only been in the club before
and did not have those elements that makes

641
00:49:29,519 --> 00:49:35,800
them different and distinct not there was
disappointing. Yeah, he was definitely more

642
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,920
subdued in this one for sure.
Yeah, and I do like that character.

643
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:42,760
I think he's quite fun. Yeah, and again not a replacement for

644
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,000
Eugene, Like both him and Renee
are very different like they're you know,

645
00:49:46,039 --> 00:49:50,840
brainy individuals, but very different in
how they approached stuff and of course their

646
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:57,400
voices and stuff. Yeah, I
noticed that the AIO team made sure that

647
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,280
it was very clear that they had
gotten the parents permission about this, this

648
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:07,280
whole little test with trade. Yeah. I had so many problems with this

649
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:13,519
episode because that's one thing. It's
one thing is like a science experiment,

650
00:50:13,639 --> 00:50:15,400
like you know, okay, you
know, carry this thing around with you

651
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:20,199
all day and see how you know, how much you noticed it or something

652
00:50:20,199 --> 00:50:23,679
like that. But this is brain
function. This is like imagination station uses

653
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:27,239
some kind of you know, connection
to brain waves and that kind of stuff

654
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,800
already, but having this and to
change a personally. It's not like a

655
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,280
hologram of yourself or anything like that. It's actively working on your brain.

656
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:39,599
For that one, his parents should
not have allowed it, and Wit definitely

657
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:43,679
did not want that to happen,
even though his parents allowed. He didn't

658
00:50:43,679 --> 00:50:47,320
want that happening at wits end for
good reason. But with Horace, especially

659
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:53,159
with all this, they treat the
tech as being so impressive but mundane,

660
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:57,000
like, oh, we work with
brain activity all the time, like that's

661
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,360
becoming more than normal. Odyssey and
unfortunately like in Our too, but it

662
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:06,920
felt like it was treated so not
caligul nine. Yeah, it's like this

663
00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:10,679
like it's altering your brain, it's
altering your body. How is this not

664
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:15,519
a bigger deal? Well, that
was the whole point is that they should

665
00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:19,639
not have done that. So I
agree that it was not a great thing

666
00:51:19,679 --> 00:51:22,480
to do, and I think that
was the point they should have never done

667
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:28,239
that. Wit did not support what
they were doing, and obviously he said,

668
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,599
you know, you cannot use my
technology in this thing. So yeah,

669
00:51:31,639 --> 00:51:35,239
I thought I thought it was a
pretty solid episode. Again, I

670
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:39,079
don't think there were any episodes in
this album that jumped out at me as

671
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:45,440
like this is an absolutely amazing episode. But I thought this one was pretty

672
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:49,960
solid. Obviously I have issues with
what they did, but I thought that

673
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,679
the lesson came out quite good.
I mean, and Trey actually figured it

674
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:57,920
out on his own and he's like, you know, this is making me

675
00:51:58,079 --> 00:52:01,039
not me. This is not who
I am, and I don't like it.

676
00:52:01,079 --> 00:52:05,639
I don't want to be this anymore. So I thought I thought it

677
00:52:05,679 --> 00:52:08,519
was pretty solid. Another problem I
have too, which I do agree with

678
00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:15,639
people that mentioned this, is that
the way that Renee broke with trust,

679
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:19,760
stealing his technology and then try almost
get to the point where she almost did

680
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,880
it again is way far and above
what Eugene and Connie did with Apple Sauce

681
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:29,079
and fired them. Yeah, and
that was over something. I mean,

682
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,559
if the imagination station tech which we
see that with Novacom, which he mentioned,

683
00:52:31,559 --> 00:52:36,039
is kind of briefly that this kind
of technology has had some bad experiences

684
00:52:36,119 --> 00:52:38,199
because people miss using it, and
honestly, Novacom, Blacker that kind of

685
00:52:38,199 --> 00:52:44,960
stuff. But what Renee did was
way far and beyond. And I don't

686
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,199
think he's just given a worse slack
because she's not a Christian. Eugene was

687
00:52:47,199 --> 00:52:52,960
not a Christian at the time when
he got fired. Connie was what they

688
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:59,760
did, YAO, did break his
trust, but it wasn't serious as getting

689
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:07,639
this really high and just very valuable, very misusable technology as the imagination station

690
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:13,679
tech into someone else's hands and using
it so flippantly. And I just felt

691
00:53:13,679 --> 00:53:17,840
like Wit wasn't hard enough on this. So that's another thing. I felt

692
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:23,039
like Wit I think would have been
a lot more hard on that. But

693
00:53:23,119 --> 00:53:28,719
since this again it's an introduction episode, you don't have her fired right away

694
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,440
because people that have never heard her
character, probably wouldn't have that emotional attachment

695
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:37,280
to her to a certain extent.
Yeah, yeah, he did go pretty

696
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,079
easy on her. I do remember
having that thought passed through my mind too.

697
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:49,920
He's getting a little soft in his
old age. Well sometimes he's very

698
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:54,000
back and forth these days. But
I know to the elements they incorporated this

699
00:53:54,079 --> 00:53:59,239
episode with Cogito, which for some
reason, when I first listened to your

700
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:00,599
like, wait a minute, I
thought you're raised that program, But I

701
00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:06,119
think she just stopped using that or
just shut it off and a forgiving heart.

702
00:54:06,159 --> 00:54:09,239
I think it was let me get
the explanation from Wit when she mentions

703
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:15,719
him, and the part about Professor
Liberness. They have that flashback from World

704
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,880
of with Tonia. It felt a
little bit shoehorn in a little bit.

705
00:54:19,679 --> 00:54:22,159
And even though I'm ragging on a
lot of these elements, I think for

706
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:27,480
all the things that Phil had going
against him writing this episode and introducing this

707
00:54:27,559 --> 00:54:30,360
character that's been in the show but
not in the show, I think he

708
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:35,119
handled it really well in introducing the
different history elements about her with you know,

709
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:40,960
Liberness, Cogito, even the ethical
dilemmas for Millstones, which I kind

710
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,880
of like that follow up that she
sees at and I brought this up to

711
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:50,480
and I reviewed Millstones on my podcast, is you can't just have ethical solutions,

712
00:54:50,519 --> 00:54:52,440
like you know, practicing ethics.
You need more than that. You

713
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:58,320
need a heart change and those kind
of elements that made this story for those

714
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,800
that have heard her beginning, well, oh yeah, I recognize that,

715
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:07,320
and people that don't know get those
little pieces here and there without being too

716
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,320
overly you know, oh, look
at this, this is what this character

717
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:14,360
is like that you did not hear
it before. I thought it was handled

718
00:55:14,599 --> 00:55:17,440
in most every case very well.
With that, I'm really certain here,

719
00:55:17,519 --> 00:55:22,280
like we haven't heard at this point
in time of this recording, introducing Renee

720
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,760
at this time and especially this you
know brand technology, the Magination station technology

721
00:55:25,519 --> 00:55:31,519
and Spoil Alert with album seventy five, with the technology in that album,

722
00:55:32,519 --> 00:55:37,800
I'm thinking that whenever we get the
Chairman back again, Renee is going to

723
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,840
be an important part of that story
and I would not be sad about that,

724
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:45,079
be happy to have her a part
of that. Interesting. That's an

725
00:55:45,119 --> 00:55:49,239
interesting theory. Yeah, I could
get behind that. Yeah. So overall,

726
00:55:49,519 --> 00:55:52,679
I thought it was a solid episode, but not my favorite, and

727
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,480
there were some things that I didn't
really care for, but overall, yeah,

728
00:55:55,679 --> 00:56:00,559
it was it was okay. And
I also did think that that sort

729
00:56:00,599 --> 00:56:04,199
of flashback with leeberness. For a
second, I was like, wait,

730
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,719
what what's he doing here? You
know, And then you realize that it

731
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,559
was just sort of perhaps it was
just her in her mind of remembering that

732
00:56:10,639 --> 00:56:14,960
moment or something, But yeah,
it did feel a little bit odd,

733
00:56:15,039 --> 00:56:21,639
but overall, yeah, yeah,
kind of how I feel about a lot

734
00:56:21,679 --> 00:56:24,400
of the episodes in this album.
Okay, Yeah, that's an episode,

735
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:30,280
you know, Yeah, it's it's
yeah, it's an okay episode. Like

736
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,840
there were much better Renee episodes than
this, And again, there's a lot

737
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:38,400
of things going against this character because
of the mistake that some people made of

738
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:44,119
not having her in the mainstream and
trying to directify things. But I think

739
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:49,119
once we get some more episodes after
this with Renee and a better frame of

740
00:56:49,159 --> 00:56:53,119
mind and interacting with people like part
of the community a lot more, and

741
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:58,480
not being the way she is in
this kind of disrespectful and stealing stuff and

742
00:56:58,519 --> 00:57:01,840
things like that, just her normal
self that's still learning some things. I

743
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:06,320
think I hope that people will come
to know and love her. Yeah,

744
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:12,039
yeah, Well, that brings us
to episode nine fifty four Legally Wooten,

745
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:16,320
written by Jesse Kellum, the fourth
directed by Marshall Younger, sound designed by

746
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:21,840
Zack Schneider, and music by John
Campbell. All the episodes in this in

747
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:28,239
this album were music by John Campbell. But so, I don't think I've

748
00:57:28,239 --> 00:57:32,480
made it a secret that I'm not
a super fan of Penny and the whole

749
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:37,199
Penny Wooten thing. Woodin was never
a favorite character of mine. In fact,

750
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,920
I think I've even said in the
past that when I first heard him

751
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:45,119
on the show back when I was
a teenager, I just didn't like him

752
00:57:45,159 --> 00:57:49,719
at all. But he has definitely
grown on me. But there are certain

753
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:53,119
elements about his character that I just
don't really care for, and so usually

754
00:57:53,239 --> 00:57:58,599
when there are episodes that center around
Penny and Wooten, they're just generally not

755
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,360
my favorites. Whoever, I did
kind of like this one. I thought

756
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:06,800
it was pretty good. I think
it's my favorite episode that Jesse has written

757
00:58:07,039 --> 00:58:10,159
for sure. I don't know,
he hasn't written all that many yet,

758
00:58:10,159 --> 00:58:15,079
but of the ones he has that
I've heard, I've liked this one the

759
00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:21,559
best. And we had some interesting
characters Terry Blaze. I thought it was

760
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:27,679
a really really fun character played by
Terry Time. Yeah, his little catchphrases,

761
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:31,039
it's Terry dime and then what was
the other one, slam dunk or

762
00:58:31,039 --> 00:58:34,119
something like that. I think he
said that a couple of different times.

763
00:58:34,679 --> 00:58:39,400
But he was played by Neil Garjulo, and I really really liked him.

764
00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:45,519
I thought he was fun. Jolly
Dolphin versus happy porpoise, it was great.

765
00:58:45,559 --> 00:58:49,960
I mean, the whole legal battle. I mean it seemed very realistic,

766
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,840
and to me it really fit with
something that might realistically happen to Wooten

767
00:58:54,360 --> 00:59:00,000
as a as an artist and a
comics creator. So I thought it was

768
00:59:00,079 --> 00:59:02,639
pretty good. Yeah, it was
interesting. This episode had a cold open.

769
00:59:02,679 --> 00:59:07,119
We don't get too many cold opens
on Odyssey anymore. Yeah, yeah,

770
00:59:07,159 --> 00:59:10,960
that's a good point too. It
did jump out in me and that

771
00:59:12,039 --> 00:59:15,239
made me think though, also,
was it Game Night? I think it

772
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:22,079
had a Katie Lee opening or a
Connie opening to the episode, which is

773
00:59:22,079 --> 00:59:25,039
that something that we hear very often
these days, either for some reason it's

774
00:59:25,079 --> 00:59:29,400
like we do once or twice every
twenty four episodes or something like it is

775
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,360
not Chris or wait. It's very
really not anybody else. Yeah, so

776
00:59:32,599 --> 00:59:37,480
that was kind of cool to have
that. But so again, not a

777
00:59:37,559 --> 00:59:39,159
huge Penny fan, but she did
have some moments in this one that I

778
00:59:39,159 --> 00:59:43,760
thought were quite fun. In fact, she wasn't nearly as annoying in this

779
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:49,280
one at all as she normally is
to me. But the one of the

780
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:52,079
lines right near the beginning, when
they're talking about the difference between the nose

781
00:59:52,119 --> 00:59:55,280
and the rostrum and all that stuff, and then she says, those anti

782
00:59:55,400 --> 01:00:00,079
rostrum people always get me steamed or
something like that. It just that just

783
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:05,360
cracked me up. I love that. Well, this great obscure scientific trivia

784
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:07,679
for people to use in the future, you know, all those history and

785
01:00:07,719 --> 01:00:10,360
scientific facts that we picked up as
kids. You know, the people using

786
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:15,920
that when they do their biology exams
exactly. I loved it. I think

787
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:20,440
this was the first episode I've heard
that Jesse Calm the Fourth wrote. I'm

788
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,119
not sure if it's the first one
released or the first one produced. I

789
01:00:22,119 --> 01:00:24,000
think it's the first one, at
least to the first one on the mainstream

790
01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:30,559
albums. And I thought he did
really well writing for Wooten and Penny and

791
01:00:30,599 --> 01:00:36,920
Connie. They all seemed consistent with
the average of their characters. Some people

792
01:00:37,599 --> 01:00:42,480
not gonna say names, but some
people sometimes write certain characters in a different

793
01:00:42,519 --> 01:00:46,079
way than what's normally the norm,
and it's usually for comedic effect and to

794
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:50,000
the detriment of the characters. And
this is not just one writer. There's

795
01:00:50,079 --> 01:00:52,960
other writers that have done this too, But for being a first time writer,

796
01:00:52,679 --> 01:00:57,880
I thought he did really well with
keeping the characters at their most likable

797
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:02,239
and grounded. So I like,
I'm not a big Penny fan, I

798
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,800
do actually like a lot of the
Woot and a Penny episodes that we get

799
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,039
from having to go Geiger. I
think she does a really good job of

800
01:01:08,159 --> 01:01:14,480
keeping those characters grounded where they're not
just gonn make relief, and I think

801
01:01:14,599 --> 01:01:20,000
this episode had a good nose of
that too, and keeping Wuotin because sometimes

802
01:01:20,039 --> 01:01:23,280
people write Woutin as really random,
or they write them as you know,

803
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:27,480
these jokes that makes more sense or
just fits with this character. It's when

804
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,039
it's just random, off the wall
stuff that doesn't make sense. It's oh,

805
01:01:30,039 --> 01:01:31,639
that's just crazy, that's funny,
Like, no, that's not always

806
01:01:31,679 --> 01:01:36,559
funny, And sometimes Jay's written like
that too, So I think I think

807
01:01:36,639 --> 01:01:39,480
Jesse did a great job with writing, you know, these three main characters

808
01:01:39,519 --> 01:01:44,280
from Odyssey with this episode, And
it's also cool to hear Simon Jones again

809
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:50,159
and an official capacity, which we
only got that in BTV to tell the

810
01:01:50,159 --> 01:01:52,239
truth, But that was a BTV
segment, so I'm not sure if it

811
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:53,960
was actually I think it was probably
happening in real life. I'm not sure

812
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:57,639
if he was like a segment or
whatever. But it was nice to have

813
01:01:57,719 --> 01:02:00,800
him involved in Odyssey outside of you
know, being a dad to Emily.

814
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,880
Yeah. I had that in my
notes too. It's good to hear him.

815
01:02:05,039 --> 01:02:07,199
I mean, of course, there's
this little tiny bit of him in

816
01:02:07,239 --> 01:02:12,320
the team, and that was the
first time in quite some time that we'd

817
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:15,559
actually heard from him. So yeah, I was glad that he showed up

818
01:02:15,599 --> 01:02:20,559
here. And the whole thing in
the beginning of the episode where all the

819
01:02:20,639 --> 01:02:23,280
kids are like going crazy about this
character. I thought that was an interesting

820
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:28,480
thing too, because it does sort
of exemplify the way a particular media property

821
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:32,400
can explode in the public consciousness these
days. Yeah, and people just kids

822
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:37,079
go crazy about it, you know, And I thought that was pretty realistic,

823
01:02:37,239 --> 01:02:40,159
and so I liked that element,
even though I think it's ridiculous that

824
01:02:40,239 --> 01:02:45,840
some people go just nuts over certain
things like that, but it did seem,

825
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:50,760
you know, it felt very genuine. And another thing that is interesting,

826
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,039
And I think I heard in I
don't know where, if it was

827
01:02:53,039 --> 01:02:57,800
on the official podcast or something,
but I think I heard that Jesse said

828
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:00,760
that he grew up with the show, so he's listened to the show and

829
01:03:01,159 --> 01:03:04,800
knows a lot of the older episodes. I think I remember hearing that,

830
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,559
and so there's an interesting thing there. And I don't know if this was

831
01:03:07,599 --> 01:03:13,920
an intentional reference to like nineties era
Odyssey or not, but Connie's yelling at

832
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:17,280
a kid named Marcia in the background
in WIT's end there she mentions her a

833
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:21,960
couple of different times. Now again, I don't know if that was a

834
01:03:22,039 --> 01:03:27,559
thing. Obviously it could be.
We have had some characters that don't ever

835
01:03:27,599 --> 01:03:30,159
seem to age, and then we
have others that age up and then they

836
01:03:30,239 --> 01:03:35,920
disappear, like the Barkley kids,
they grew up. So I don't know.

837
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:37,360
It's just kind of funny that there
is a kid named Marcia, because

838
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:40,159
that is not a name you really
hear very often. It's not like a

839
01:03:40,159 --> 01:03:45,079
common one like Jessica or a Jennifer
or something like that. I don't know,

840
01:03:45,119 --> 01:03:47,480
So I don't know if he was
just tossing me in the little thing

841
01:03:47,519 --> 01:03:51,639
there that didn't really matter at all
to the plot, but I don't know,

842
01:03:51,719 --> 01:03:53,519
just a mention of a girl named
Marsha just I thought it was kind

843
01:03:53,519 --> 01:03:57,880
of interesting. Well, we have
had some out of control birthday parties.

844
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:00,920
We've had one in a groundhog jay
yep, for sure. And there were

845
01:04:01,039 --> 01:04:03,440
quite a few funny lines in this
episode. I mean, Tara is quite

846
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:08,840
funny, this kind of very he's
very I don't know what's the what's the

847
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:14,880
word. I don't want to call
him a loser, but very uh,

848
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:17,440
you know, very insecure, I
guess I should say, and something over

849
01:04:17,559 --> 01:04:21,320
himself, and just very much just
not like his mom probably isn't the greatest

850
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:27,119
at encouraging him, Like he has
a lot of quips about or some jabs

851
01:04:27,119 --> 01:04:29,920
at his mom. I guess I
do feel kind of bad for him.

852
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:33,159
And it's also the same time,
he's kind of sympathetic to a certain extent.

853
01:04:33,199 --> 01:04:38,199
He's not like this big bad uh
you know, CEO or whatever,

854
01:04:38,199 --> 01:04:41,440
this company trying to take away this
creation of his No, it's just this

855
01:04:41,599 --> 01:04:45,360
really kind of insecure, stumbling over
himself kind of guy, and you kind

856
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,559
of feel sympathetic to you and like, yeah, you're rooting for Wooten,

857
01:04:47,599 --> 01:04:50,559
but you also feel kind of bad
for this guy. Like we hear about

858
01:04:50,559 --> 01:04:55,360
this basically, this is his chance
to break away from just living with his

859
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:59,000
mom and you know, getting some
money and things like that, which,

860
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:01,239
yeah, he's s fish by the
same time, he's not like this,

861
01:05:01,679 --> 01:05:05,079
you know, big bad villain that
you're just love to hate. Yeah,

862
01:05:05,199 --> 01:05:09,840
yeah, exactly. It's like,
I mean, what he did was awful,

863
01:05:10,599 --> 01:05:13,159
but it was like, you know, if you look at it through

864
01:05:13,159 --> 01:05:16,360
his eyes, it's like, well, Wooten abandoned this character. It's it's

865
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:19,000
he's not doing anything with it.
He's moved on to other things now,

866
01:05:19,039 --> 01:05:23,320
so maybe maybe I can do this, you know, And he knew that

867
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:27,360
he shouldn't, but yeah. And
I also liked all of his little nicknames

868
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:32,079
for Wooten, like called him the
Wootster and wood Tennyson, and I guess

869
01:05:32,119 --> 01:05:35,679
there were several Whooper Scooper I think
at one point or something like that.

870
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:39,360
I loved all of those. I
thought that was great and it sort of

871
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:42,599
fit with his like quirky nature.
It seemed like so I liked it.

872
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:47,320
Yeah. And also one of the
funny lines bring up the recess thing,

873
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:51,400
does Yeah, I like I talk
of milk and amery around call back to

874
01:05:51,519 --> 01:05:55,159
you know, broken window. Yeah, when the going gets tough, the

875
01:05:55,159 --> 01:05:58,800
tough gets goes out and plays on
the swings. Oh yeah, yeah,

876
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:01,760
I like that and speak you know
funny lines too, is Penny says to

877
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:05,320
Wooten after they you know, they
discover this whole thing that he's been plotting

878
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:09,679
Terry's you know, he actually did
steal the character and all this. She

879
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:12,760
says, when you said Terry was
the brother you never had, did you

880
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:17,159
mean in a canaanable sort of way, Yeah, I mean a Wutin talks

881
01:06:17,159 --> 01:06:20,599
about like him being encouraging brother he
never had, which Terry turned out to

882
01:06:20,639 --> 01:06:26,800
be a good bit like Willington.
Uh, that's true, that's true.

883
01:06:27,719 --> 01:06:30,119
But I did. I really like
the moral in this and the kind of

884
01:06:30,159 --> 01:06:34,880
the inciting action, not just from
like a technical level like this, we

885
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:40,199
had quite something quite like this copyright
wise, Like again, there's information with

886
01:06:40,239 --> 01:06:43,559
this that people might know going into
certain stuff, and that's a big things

887
01:06:43,599 --> 01:06:45,880
happening now with like you know,
generative AI and things like that about what

888
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:50,199
copyright is and how it can be
used. But the lesson too, I

889
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:56,480
like about mercy turn the other cheek
and when to either stand up for yourself

890
01:06:57,119 --> 01:07:00,840
or to read wrong or keep people
from hurting themselves or the people. So

891
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:05,039
like with this character, he was
using it for ill purposes, you know,

892
01:07:05,159 --> 01:07:10,519
being very mean, you know,
basically being a bad example to kids.

893
01:07:10,519 --> 01:07:12,840
Like it's supposedly like a hero role
model, but this person is a

894
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,480
jerk basically, And we didn't like
something, you know, something innocent and

895
01:07:15,559 --> 01:07:19,440
something that was supposed to be good. We've heard this about, you know,

896
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:21,840
Wooton in the past, like Wutensberg
and pencil Show and the ties at

897
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:27,000
Buy and how he wants this to
be good art to help shape you know,

898
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:30,000
people's minds in good ways, and
he doesn't want to get make it

899
01:07:30,119 --> 01:07:35,039
edgy and things like that for just
a sake of being edgy or you know,

900
01:07:35,079 --> 01:07:38,920
making more money and things like that. So I thought that the lesson

901
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:42,880
was really good with that because it's
one of those you know, murky or

902
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:45,880
kind of gray areas a certain extent, like at what point do you just

903
01:07:45,559 --> 01:07:48,320
don't do anything about it? Which
I know there's times which he had to

904
01:07:48,519 --> 01:07:53,880
have to be you know, discerning
and pray for wisdom on these situations.

905
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:57,440
Because there are some situations where I
know my pastor was talk about there was

906
01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:01,079
something that happened that he mentioned that, you know, So that happened and

907
01:08:01,119 --> 01:08:04,079
he was going to go do something, and him and his wife prayed,

908
01:08:04,119 --> 01:08:09,199
and then after they're done praying,
she said, just don't do anything about

909
01:08:09,239 --> 01:08:12,599
it. And he went with that, and God just cleared that situation all

910
01:08:12,679 --> 01:08:15,519
up. He didn't have to do
anything. So I know there's times to

911
01:08:15,599 --> 01:08:18,640
let God fight your battles, but
there are times that we have to do

912
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:23,199
something and make the effort to make
a make a write out of something wrong.

913
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:26,920
Yeah, yeah, I agree with
that. I really liked that whole

914
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:29,960
thing. Now you mentioned that,
you know, there might be some actual

915
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:33,319
information here. Now, this was
something that was I found interesting because I

916
01:08:33,359 --> 01:08:38,239
have looked into this stuff before as
as a creative individual and working on different

917
01:08:38,279 --> 01:08:41,920
brands and projects and things over the
years. So Terry said that he had

918
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:46,079
copyrighted Happy Porpoise. Well, I
think I think it's very smart to think

919
01:08:46,359 --> 01:08:49,520
no, no, no, no
no, He specifically said, copyrighted because

920
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:54,239
I'm like, okay, interesting because
I think it is true that comic books

921
01:08:54,239 --> 01:08:58,479
are copyrighted, and I thought that
that characters and their names were treated more

922
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:01,439
like logos, and those are trademarked, and like you know, think like

923
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:08,560
Mickey Mouse or Batman or big intellectual
properties like that, those are typically trademark

924
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:12,199
It's it's a different thing. And
then I'd written all this stuff down because

925
01:09:12,239 --> 01:09:15,560
I'm like, you know, that's
interesting, you know, And then at

926
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:19,439
about the twenty minute mark, then
he mentions trademark. So the whole time

927
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:25,119
they've been talking about copyright, copyright, copyright, and then towards like we're

928
01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:28,399
like two thirds of the way in, then he mentions one time he says

929
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:30,520
I trademarked it or something like that. So it's like, okay, did

930
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:33,680
you can't copyright it or did you
trademark it? So anyway, those are

931
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:39,600
two different things, and they do
different things for different types of media.

932
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:44,520
So yeah, it's it's as interesting. So don't take an adventures od asy

933
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:47,560
episode like that as advice. Talk
to the lawyer. Yeah, this odesty

934
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:53,600
episode is not giving you legal advice, just life advice. Yeah, that

935
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:58,319
and it could be one a plot
hole or like a writing error, or

936
01:09:58,359 --> 01:10:01,239
it could just be Terry not the
brightest bulb in the bunch. Very well

937
01:10:01,279 --> 01:10:04,720
could be either one of those things. And I'm certainly not an expert either,

938
01:10:05,159 --> 01:10:10,199
and I think there are certain times
where copyright and trademark can apply to

939
01:10:10,239 --> 01:10:14,880
the same sort of thing. So
yeah, if you know, feel free

940
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:16,760
to reach out and let us know
what did I get wrong here. But

941
01:10:17,039 --> 01:10:21,520
I just thought it was interesting that
nothing was mentioned about trademark the entire time

942
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:27,439
until near almost the whole thing was
concluded. But overall, I thought there

943
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:30,600
was nice pacing throughout this episode too, because you know, the tension sort

944
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:35,680
of starts to ratchet up and then
suddenly there's this deadline and they're trying to

945
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:41,960
find this proof before they have to
go back in, and so I thought

946
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:45,159
that was really really nicely done.
So again, this is my favorite episode

947
01:10:45,199 --> 01:10:49,720
that I've heard from Jesse Kellum fourth
thus far. Yeah, it is a

948
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:55,000
very solid episode, and good Wooten
and Penny episode and Connie, you know,

949
01:10:55,159 --> 01:10:58,359
like I said, was written properly, I think, And yeah,

950
01:10:58,399 --> 01:11:01,720
it's a fun episode, Like it's
not super super high stakes, like it's

951
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:06,840
probably pretty uh obvious that Woutin will
win, but also at the same time,

952
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:10,239
like even after he wins, he's
not like a sore loser about It's

953
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:13,399
like he extends mercy like hey,
once you have it with this, Like

954
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:15,439
that's one of the things that is
so good about Wutin. He can be

955
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:19,159
a bit naive, but he has
a heart of gold, yep, and

956
01:11:19,199 --> 01:11:24,359
he will do whatever he can to
help someone out because his backstory, his

957
01:11:24,399 --> 01:11:27,000
life is a family, Like a
lot of people did not show him that,

958
01:11:27,119 --> 01:11:29,319
but he's with God in his life. He's able to do that to

959
01:11:29,319 --> 01:11:32,199
other people and not show animosity toward
them. Yeah, to his own detriment.

960
01:11:32,239 --> 01:11:35,079
I mean, I think back to
the episode where he lost his job

961
01:11:35,119 --> 01:11:39,159
because he was being too kind and
nice to people and always helping him out

962
01:11:39,159 --> 01:11:42,880
with their their stuff and you know, the whole speedy package delivery thing.

963
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:45,680
I mean, that's such a classic
episode. I like that one a lot.

964
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:48,840
But I'm sure I'm sure Woton wouldn't
have any animosity towards you for him

965
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:55,640
not being your your favorite character.
Thank you, Thank you Wutin for having

966
01:11:55,680 --> 01:12:00,680
mercy and yeah, you know what
another thing, last thing that I have

967
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:04,039
on this one, I thought it
was funny. This is the only I

968
01:12:04,079 --> 01:12:09,920
mean, it's probably been mentioned other
times before, but this is this is

969
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:15,039
only the second time I ever can
think about hearing the word filibuster in uh

970
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:19,640
one of the family friendly audio dramas, Like Terry said, Yeah, so

971
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:26,119
Terry says to him, because he's
just he's he's trying to delay everything until

972
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:29,239
Penny can show up with the proof, and so Wood is just yacking it,

973
01:12:29,359 --> 01:12:32,399
you know, random stuff and hilarious
stuff there. But Terry's like,

974
01:12:32,399 --> 01:12:36,000
are you philibustering? This isn't the
US Senate. And I loved it.

975
01:12:36,079 --> 01:12:40,399
And the first thing that I thought
of it brought to mine was that line

976
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:43,800
from Jungle Jam years and years ago. When I first heard that, I

977
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:46,720
didn't have a clue what a senate
philibuster was, and at the time,

978
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:50,520
I mean, that line just passed
right over my head when Marve Snuffelson says

979
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:57,800
that he's watching a senate filibuster and
just and so listening to that later as

980
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:01,680
a grown up, it's so funny. I love that line, and then

981
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:05,399
so having it the same thing mentioned
here, I was like, I love

982
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:10,720
that. I love that. Yeah, It's very much an episode that anyone

983
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:13,960
of any age. It's definitely one
of those episodes that it's good for the

984
01:13:14,079 --> 01:13:17,079
entire family. But there's jokes in
there, some references that you interest or

985
01:13:17,159 --> 01:13:23,319
even be understood by kids, but
adults will get it. Yeah. Yeah,

986
01:13:23,359 --> 01:13:27,600
Well let's move on to episode nine
fifty five, Value in the Process.

987
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:30,600
Written and directed by Phil Lawler,
sound designed by Luke Gano, and

988
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:35,760
music by John Campbell. And uh, what I heard there was this was

989
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:39,960
gonna be a right L episode.
I was just like, huh, okay,

990
01:13:40,039 --> 01:13:44,560
here we go. I'm not I'm
not a big fan of the right

991
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:48,880
ls. Same and and this one
starts right off with Maury be Moory scheming

992
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:55,199
and doing stuff without permission and all
those star than ever and yeah, super

993
01:13:55,239 --> 01:13:58,520
whiny. And of course that was
intentional because with even makes a point about

994
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:01,880
it, you know there whining you
are you know I can't hear you or

995
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:04,600
something like that. I forget the
line, but of something like that,

996
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:09,359
And so I was like, yeah, you put him in his place.

997
01:14:11,239 --> 01:14:14,800
Yeah. I went like I've talked
about this on I think this podcast and

998
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:18,840
autossey Geek and other places like I
don't have any love for the Rodel's and

999
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:25,680
every RIGHTE episode I go with low
expectations, which has helped, because this

1000
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:30,399
episode is probably the best. I'm
not looking at future episodes after this,

1001
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:35,920
but this is the best rede O
episode after Redever Revelations, and one that

1002
01:14:36,039 --> 01:14:43,079
I actually liked one. It put
more in his place, It showed them

1003
01:14:43,319 --> 01:14:46,840
more outside of that scheming to a
certain extent, and the mystery aspect and

1004
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:51,159
that kind of stuff. Just normal
kids, well they're not quite normal kids,

1005
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:56,079
but just those interactions, and also
finally seeing them at home with Wit,

1006
01:14:56,319 --> 01:15:00,359
which we haven't heard in those interactions. There was a comic else We're

1007
01:15:00,359 --> 01:15:03,920
in Odyssey for one of the free
monthly comic scripts that took place at the

1008
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:08,800
Whitaker House with on the Rodel's.
But yeah, I was. I was

1009
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:13,720
pleasantly surprised at this episode. And
I like the moral with this one too.

1010
01:15:14,319 --> 01:15:16,319
Yeah, even though I don't like
Maury that much, like I've always

1011
01:15:16,319 --> 01:15:18,920
liked Suzuo to a certain extent,
as just like as a person, as

1012
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:24,199
a character to a certain extent,
as like not super evil or whatever,

1013
01:15:25,119 --> 01:15:27,399
so and she was kind of like
that to a certain extent in this episode

1014
01:15:27,399 --> 01:15:32,000
still too. But yeah, I
actually enjoyed this a decent amount. I

1015
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:36,119
felt pretty much the same about this
now I should say at this point,

1016
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:41,920
at the at the time of this
recording, I have not heard album seventy

1017
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:45,279
six at all, so I haven't
heard the Rydel realizations at all. So

1018
01:15:45,359 --> 01:15:48,720
I know nothing about what's going to
happen with them, you know, in

1019
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:56,079
the future, so I won't blurt
that out. Yeah, so I'm we're

1020
01:15:56,079 --> 01:16:00,079
not obviously going to talk at all
about any future development. So this is

1021
01:16:00,199 --> 01:16:08,319
all gauging on what we know about
Maury up to this point and before we

1022
01:16:08,359 --> 01:16:11,760
dive into the nitty gritty on this
episode. One thing is, and I

1023
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:14,479
know this is not the first time, but it just jumped out at me.

1024
01:16:15,119 --> 01:16:18,279
They mentioned Campbell College, not Campbell
County Community College, And I was

1025
01:16:18,319 --> 01:16:21,319
just kind of curious if you remember
when when did that change, because I

1026
01:16:21,359 --> 01:16:25,960
know it was some time back,
but I don't remember exactly when did they

1027
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:30,399
start, you know, calling it
just Campbell College. I know, usually

1028
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:33,640
if it's referenced more than once an
episode, they might say Campbell College.

1029
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:41,079
Because I'm thinking now Grand Opening Part
two, when Cal and Alex and Sarah

1030
01:16:41,119 --> 01:16:44,439
get that print out about Eugene,
I can remember here Cal saying it's the

1031
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:46,199
project he's been working on at Campbell
College or something like that. So I

1032
01:16:46,239 --> 01:16:54,680
know, usually the college Campbell College. I think it's interchangeably, like people

1033
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:58,000
might say, you know, the
full name, like in my home state,

1034
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:02,119
Oklahoma State University might just call it
State University or OSU or something like

1035
01:17:02,119 --> 01:17:05,560
that. It's not necessarily a specific
one to say all the time because also

1036
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:09,760
Campbell, Campbell County. There,
I it's messed it up there. Campbell

1037
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:13,039
County Community College is kind of a
mouthful. Yeah. Oh, so you

1038
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:17,600
think that it's more just a casual
way to reference it rather than them actually

1039
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:21,840
changing it to something else. Huh. Yeah, I think I believe the

1040
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:27,039
official name is still Campbell County Community
College, but I think they just use

1041
01:17:27,119 --> 01:17:30,560
it more informal way to refer to
it. Oh okay, all right,

1042
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:33,680
yeah, so I was thinking that
maybe they just decided to rename it or

1043
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:36,520
something. So yeah, okay,
you're right, it is a mouthful,

1044
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:41,600
but it just kind of jumped out
at me that that usage at this point.

1045
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:45,079
But anyways, a great sticker for
that, you know, that's right,

1046
01:17:45,159 --> 01:17:48,840
that's right. If you can get
those, and if you're in ATC

1047
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:54,600
backstage, I'll send you one for
free. But anyway, mister McBain the

1048
01:17:54,640 --> 01:18:00,960
teacher in the computer class there,
perfect boring teacher performance there, Like I

1049
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:05,880
had a professor in college that was
just like that, and I liked him.

1050
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:09,359
You know, It's like, I
don't I don't think we've ever heard

1051
01:18:09,359 --> 01:18:12,800
from him before. I can't definitively
say that because I don't know, but

1052
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:16,199
I liked him a lot, and
I hope that. You know, he's

1053
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:19,680
very very minor in this episode,
but it would be cool to hear fromim

1054
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:23,720
again because I think he's very funny. Yeah, well, I think I

1055
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:27,439
noticed pretty quickly that awesome, that's
Matt Hurwitz. I don't think that was

1056
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:30,880
my exact phrase. But we haven't
heard Matt Hurwitz, I think since maybe

1057
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:33,840
the Perfect Church. Like we don't
hear him on Austin Year as much as

1058
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:39,720
we used to. But he might
have been in another Bible episode sometime after

1059
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:42,439
that. No, no, no, I think he was in a Unsinkable.

1060
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:44,439
I think he was one of the
people in the ship. I think

1061
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:48,119
it's an unsinkable. But even that's
been what three four years something like that.

1062
01:18:48,319 --> 01:18:51,680
Yeah, it's been a while.
He's a he's a great actor,

1063
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:56,720
Hay. When he does he does
just all these little these random parts,

1064
01:18:56,760 --> 01:19:00,279
you know, But he's great.
He's really good. Yeah. He does

1065
01:19:00,279 --> 01:19:05,359
a great job playing Eliezer and an
adventure in Bethany. Wow. I didn't

1066
01:19:05,359 --> 01:19:11,319
realize that he's been around for that
long. Yeah, huh. About the

1067
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:17,079
teacher character here that he plays.
I liked how he kind of confronts Maury

1068
01:19:17,119 --> 01:19:21,119
there and we find out that Witt
had sort of headed off Morey's attempt to

1069
01:19:21,159 --> 01:19:23,760
skip out of the class, and
I was like, oh, yeah,

1070
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:27,600
that's classic Wit. I love that
he's kind of working behind the scenes.

1071
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:32,760
Yeah, yeah, good for him. And we have another new character and

1072
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:36,680
that's kind of new. We hear
about Andy Rome and the Lost One from

1073
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:41,239
album seventy two, but we get
to hear him in this episode, and

1074
01:19:41,279 --> 01:19:44,399
it's a kid actor. We don't
get too many kid characters played by kid

1075
01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:46,279
actors anymore. And it sounds like
he will be a new episode. He

1076
01:19:46,279 --> 01:19:49,239
will be in more episodes. I
think they did an interview with the actor

1077
01:19:49,279 --> 01:19:55,079
for him on the Fish of podcasts
recently, so I'm interested to hear from

1078
01:19:55,159 --> 01:19:58,920
him more in the future. Totally, totally. His name is al Kothil,

1079
01:19:59,119 --> 01:20:01,760
and I really really liked him Andy
Rome, and I'm like, yeah,

1080
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:03,880
I hope, I hope we get
to hear more from him because I

1081
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:08,840
like that character. Now correct me
if I'm wrong, because I can't remember

1082
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:13,199
for sure which character it is.
But as I'm listening to him, I

1083
01:20:13,279 --> 01:20:17,760
kept thinking, he sounds like a
boy character from the past. And I

1084
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:23,960
can't remember if it's Nathaniel Graham or
Alex Jefferson. It's one of those boys,

1085
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:26,279
because it's been a while since I've
heard some of those episodes with them,

1086
01:20:26,279 --> 01:20:29,600
but there was a certain quality in
some of the things that he said.

1087
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:31,439
It kept reminding me of one of
those boys from back in the day

1088
01:20:32,039 --> 01:20:34,680
You're not Alone, and thinking that
because when I was listening to this for

1089
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:38,960
the review, I thought that,
yeah, that's not like an older like

1090
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:42,359
an older character from the past,
and some reason like Sam Johnson like that

1091
01:20:42,359 --> 01:20:45,039
came through my head. But when
you said Nathaniel Graham, I think that

1092
01:20:45,079 --> 01:20:48,199
works like Nathaniel Graham when he's a
lot more stilted in his speech, like

1093
01:20:48,239 --> 01:20:54,199
when he's more like his brainy kind
of personality in the early episode like the

1094
01:20:54,199 --> 01:20:57,520
Tower or things like that. I
can see that that kind of that tone

1095
01:20:57,560 --> 01:21:00,079
of voice, in that kind of
delivery there. But also at same time

1096
01:21:00,119 --> 01:21:05,159
too, we hear way too few
kid characters played by kids anymore, so

1097
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:08,800
anytime there's a kid actor, like, oh, yeah, this is like

1098
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:12,560
back in the day when the actually
use a lot of kid actors. Yeah.

1099
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:15,039
In any case, I liked him, and I hope we hear more

1100
01:21:15,079 --> 01:21:19,399
from him, And I think this
is we've heard stuff like this from her

1101
01:21:19,479 --> 01:21:27,359
before. But Suzu confusing footwork with
legwork that was pretty funny. Yeah,

1102
01:21:27,399 --> 01:21:30,239
And it was also nice daring Trey
in this episode, which we heard him

1103
01:21:30,239 --> 01:21:33,039
in Renee Renewed, which we get
a lot of Cooper in the Club and

1104
01:21:33,079 --> 01:21:38,680
the mainstream albums, and I think
his only appearance in a mainstream album was

1105
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:42,479
his first appearance in Good Job and
Album sixty eight. So I'm glad he's

1106
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:46,039
getting some more episodes outside the club. Yeah. I like him too.

1107
01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:48,960
I mean, we'll probably get into
this a little bit more later, but

1108
01:21:49,319 --> 01:21:55,319
the whole dynamic there, he seemed
like just a cool like a genuine kid,

1109
01:21:55,359 --> 01:21:58,720
like he's excited to work with a
new kid that everybody thinks is like

1110
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:02,640
really smart and and yeah, he
just is a genuine fun kid and I

1111
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:05,760
like him a lot. Now,
I was going to ask you about this,

1112
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:11,840
because I'm curious what your thoughts are
on the sort of montage scene where

1113
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:15,680
it cuts back and forth between Mari
and Suzu. Now, this is not

1114
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:18,399
you know again, I think I
mentioned something earlier that it's not a technique

1115
01:22:18,399 --> 01:22:23,800
that's unusual. I mean, this
is used in audio drama to show time

1116
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:27,560
progression or to move the plot forward
quickly. But what did you think about

1117
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:30,880
this particular one. You just kept
cutting back and forth between Mori and Suzu.

1118
01:22:30,319 --> 01:22:33,560
I don't know, is something just
felt a little bit strange about it

1119
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:36,359
this time for some reason to me, But I'm not sure if I can

1120
01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:42,720
put my finger on exactly what it
was. Yeah, I know it's useful

1121
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:46,399
for jumping back and forth and for
seeing time progression. I didn't notice it

1122
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:48,239
much on the first lesson, but
when I was listening to it for the

1123
01:22:48,239 --> 01:22:51,159
review, I don't know, I
just noticed it, like its sticking out

1124
01:22:51,159 --> 01:22:54,960
a little bit, Like it wasn't
a bad thing, but it's stuck out

1125
01:22:55,000 --> 01:23:00,880
in an odd way to a certain
extent, and possibly because not much happens

1126
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:03,880
in those scenes probably one reason,
Like they're not all that different to a

1127
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:08,600
certain extent, and so short.
It's like is this needed, which I

1128
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:11,560
think it is needed for the storage
to show that this is a progression of

1129
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:14,920
time for this thing, rather than
having these long scenes and then like a

1130
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:17,439
scene here and then a saying like
okay, you've done this for a week

1131
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:20,079
now, and then we do this
and they have well we did this,

1132
01:23:20,119 --> 01:23:24,159
and we did this, Like it's
better than recounting to a certain extent like

1133
01:23:24,199 --> 01:23:28,319
that. But I'm thinking of the
good people. That's really great use of

1134
01:23:28,319 --> 01:23:33,000
a montage there, which we have
Mari, Suzu, Olivia and Zoe.

1135
01:23:33,159 --> 01:23:39,880
I think it is where they're doing
different tasks raising money for the drama team,

1136
01:23:40,399 --> 01:23:43,560
and you have like you know,
the car wash going door to door

1137
01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:48,680
or something like that. And each
of those segments had different locations I think,

1138
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:54,439
and different environments or like different things
happening where this it was you know,

1139
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:58,800
working on computers, working on computers, typing here and typing here whatever.

1140
01:23:59,199 --> 01:24:01,920
That's probably why it seemed kind of
ovi because not as much was happening

1141
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:05,279
as montages, which used with montages, you have a lot more jumping around

1142
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:11,199
when it comes to locations and events. Yeah, that's that's I think you

1143
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:15,600
nailed it right there. That's exactly
what I think it was standing out to

1144
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:19,119
me because yeah, it's just going
back and forth from Maury working on his

1145
01:24:19,199 --> 01:24:24,439
project to Susu working on hers,
and just goes back and forth between them.

1146
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:28,760
There isn't a big range in location
and type of activity and stuff,

1147
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:30,880
so maybe that's what it was.
And again not that it was bad and

1148
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:34,880
the music behind it it moved it
along and it worked, but for some

1149
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:39,960
reason it just felt a tad clunky
to me in this one. But I

1150
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:43,920
was thinking, maybe I'm just being
a little too nitpicky. But overall I

1151
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:45,720
think it worked. Yeah, it
worked for what it was. It wasn't

1152
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:51,119
the most interesting montage, but it
served as purpose. Yeh yep. Now

1153
01:24:51,279 --> 01:24:57,479
moving on to the scene with Wit
in the office and Maury just just being

1154
01:24:57,520 --> 01:25:00,479
a complete jerk. I loved how
firm Wit was with him, just like

1155
01:25:01,039 --> 01:25:05,079
go home. You know. It's
like I've had it up to here with

1156
01:25:05,119 --> 01:25:12,159
you right now. Yeah, it's
kind of a dynamic, which some people

1157
01:25:12,159 --> 01:25:15,760
may think that's not like Wit,
but yeah, he has had some moments

1158
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:18,840
which you don't get that we haven't
had that many know Wit yelling or Wit

1159
01:25:19,159 --> 01:25:24,479
being super firm for a lot of
Andre Stoikett episodes or even quite a bit

1160
01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:28,920
of Paul Lingers era. So it's
kind of nice hearing that. And also

1161
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:31,960
two other things too. Sometimes when
you're around certain people, you know,

1162
01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:36,479
there's a differences with people like you
seem at church or school and have fun

1163
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:40,399
with them, and you know their
normal people or whatever, and if like

1164
01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:42,720
you stay in their house or they
stay with you or something like that,

1165
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:45,920
for a while, it's a different
dynamic, like, Okay, you're in

1166
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:47,680
my house. We have rules here, Like you know, we have a

1167
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:50,359
lot of fun at church in Sunday
school or something like that, but here,

1168
01:25:50,399 --> 01:25:53,479
you know, we're gonna have some
ground rules and that kind stuff like

1169
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:57,760
little more stricter word or whatever or
something like that. And also at the

1170
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:00,279
same time too, this is probably
there's this might have been it's parenting style

1171
01:26:00,279 --> 01:26:02,960
when he had kids as well,
that we don't hear that much of him

1172
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:08,960
parenting young kids, usually at the
points where like Christmas, like a certain

1173
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:13,520
happy event or something like that,
but we don't hear We don't ever hear

1174
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:15,800
wit disciplining his kids when they were
younger, like we heard like him with

1175
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:20,399
Manty with his grandson and a member
of the family. But yeah, I

1176
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:27,159
think it was warranted for sure.
Yeah, And I mean, More's not

1177
01:26:27,279 --> 01:26:30,520
an easy kid to deal with,
so I can totally see where he's coming

1178
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:34,600
from there too. I mean some
might even think he was he was a

1179
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:38,840
little tame there, I mean,
because because that kid was just mouthing off

1180
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:43,680
like crazy and like yeah, so
I liked that he was very firm there.

1181
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:46,520
Now, it's not just the title
of the episode, but the phrase

1182
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:53,560
value in the process was used multiple
times. Now. It was applied by

1183
01:26:53,640 --> 01:27:00,119
Wit to Maury about friendship and learning
how to go through the process of learning

1184
01:27:00,159 --> 01:27:04,399
how to be a friend or even
just friendly to people in order to gain

1185
01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:13,000
friends, rather than about learning to
follow instructions and build skill upon skill,

1186
01:27:13,079 --> 01:27:16,359
which seemed like that's what he should
have been talking about, considering the topic

1187
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:23,039
of the class and him wanting to
skip ahead or skip the class entirely.

1188
01:27:24,039 --> 01:27:27,479
And it felt like to me that
it was a little bit misapplied there,

1189
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:30,880
because it felt like it should have
been you need to learn how to follow

1190
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:36,279
instruction, follow direction. Yes,
you might know some of the technical things

1191
01:27:36,319 --> 01:27:42,760
here, but sometimes learning the proper
order of operations, so to speak,

1192
01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:47,960
it is beneficial when you get to
more complex things and so I thought that

1193
01:27:48,039 --> 01:27:51,680
felt a little bit strange. But
then we get to Chris's wrap up and

1194
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:57,920
she talks about applying value in the
process to the waiting, the working,

1195
01:27:58,039 --> 01:28:01,199
and the worship, and she says
that's the value in the process that God

1196
01:28:01,199 --> 01:28:05,239
puts us through, and she doesn't
mention the friendship aspect of it. So

1197
01:28:05,279 --> 01:28:08,960
I'm like, okay, so which
is it? You know? So I

1198
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:13,600
don't know what Chris said made more
sense to me considering the topic of the

1199
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:18,760
episode, though I guess it could
apply to friendship, though it doesn't seem

1200
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:25,479
to be as a tight hand in
glove fit as the other application. So

1201
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:29,119
I don't know. Yeah, I
don't think I noticed that too much.

1202
01:28:29,279 --> 01:28:31,439
Listen to it, but you explain
that. I get that because I think

1203
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:34,399
at the beginning he mentions that,
and you can kind of guess what that

1204
01:28:34,479 --> 01:28:39,279
might be. Like I think when
says, you know, it's friendship specifically,

1205
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:42,720
I don't think that's the only thing. It should be one of the

1206
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:45,000
things. But I think me just
the way the wording of the dialogue was

1207
01:28:45,399 --> 01:28:48,239
just that was what it was.
It's kind of like with you know,

1208
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:50,800
it's not the destination, it's the
friends we made along the way or something

1209
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:57,199
like that. But that, like
with Chris says, you know things like

1210
01:28:57,399 --> 01:29:00,319
you know, through school, work, play, worship, all that kind

1211
01:29:00,359 --> 01:29:03,840
of stuff. Like there's value in
those things. It's not just what you

1212
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:09,520
can get out of it, it's
what it can teach you and how you

1213
01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:12,920
can help others. So like being
patient, like Okay, I gotta wait

1214
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:15,319
until this time to do this specific
thing. I don't have a time set

1215
01:29:15,439 --> 01:29:17,520
to do this thing or something like
that. There's those things that help you

1216
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:23,079
teach you discipline and put you in
situations like with this, like with having

1217
01:29:23,079 --> 01:29:25,920
a group project, which you know
a lot of people don't use to like

1218
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:29,319
group projects, but with this,
it forces him to work as a group,

1219
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:31,800
not as an individual always doing things
on his own over here, which

1220
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:34,960
is great. Forcing him to be
a part of this group and not being

1221
01:29:35,359 --> 01:29:43,520
alone ranger pretty much with that,
and friendships might be a extra benefit from

1222
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:45,720
that, but I don't think that's
like the main thing that you go through

1223
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:49,920
these processes to get the value out
of it. Yeah. Yeah, so

1224
01:29:50,159 --> 01:29:56,399
again haven't heard ride Ale realizations yet, so not even taking those into consideration.

1225
01:29:56,520 --> 01:30:00,319
But we get to the end and
more sounds sincere when get to the

1226
01:30:00,359 --> 01:30:02,720
end of this episode and he's talking
to the guys or you know, his

1227
01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:09,039
fellow students and he apologizes, you
know, and he seems to be treating

1228
01:30:09,039 --> 01:30:13,319
them okay, so he seemed very
sincere, but is he really I don't

1229
01:30:13,359 --> 01:30:15,600
know. I don't trust the kid, you know, trust the kid.

1230
01:30:17,159 --> 01:30:21,439
Yeah, there was some really cool
thing. I'll get to the part about

1231
01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:28,359
Suzu's dilemma thing but not the right
word. But there's a really cool effect

1232
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:32,079
because you know, Maury had this
you know, very surelock way of deducing

1233
01:30:32,159 --> 01:30:36,239
or whatever of what the projects will
be, which you know, that's you

1234
01:30:36,279 --> 01:30:39,800
know, one of those people like
be really annoying, like yeah, you're

1235
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:43,000
not picking on social cues here,
like you know, doing that. Nobody

1236
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:45,880
likes to show off. But when
Trey showing his project and you know,

1237
01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:50,680
like Moriage just you know, on
edge, like basically seething and just like

1238
01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:54,960
you know, over the top and
like all these things and then you have

1239
01:30:55,079 --> 01:30:58,319
rain coming down. If you listen
to the music there you hear this guy.

1240
01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:01,600
I'm not sure what it's was that
it kind of like symbolizes that rain

1241
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:05,479
hearing it while he's playing that there, Like that was a really cool touch.

1242
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:10,600
There. Oh I totally missed that. Yeah, I didn't notice it

1243
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:12,760
the first time, I don't think, but I noticed it this time.

1244
01:31:13,199 --> 01:31:16,520
And I love it how Mary finally
finds a limitation to his knowledge, like,

1245
01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:19,359
oh, it's gonna be this thank
you mom, because he can't see

1246
01:31:19,399 --> 01:31:24,359
how much Trey looks up to him
and idolizes him for lack of a better

1247
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:27,039
term, there, so he's like, oh, thank you Mom. It's

1248
01:31:27,039 --> 01:31:30,920
like Maury like, ooh, there
we go, there we go. That'll

1249
01:31:31,079 --> 01:31:34,159
that'll knock him down a few pegs
yep. And it's just like one of

1250
01:31:34,159 --> 01:31:39,960
those moments where your knowledge on a
technical level will only get you so far.

1251
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:43,760
But if you don't know human emotions, don't think through things emotionally,

1252
01:31:44,199 --> 01:31:47,479
you're going to miss out on those
things. Yeah. I liked that.

1253
01:31:47,560 --> 01:31:50,079
Yeah, you really put him in
his place there, and I love that

1254
01:31:50,159 --> 01:31:54,960
moment. It was like, yes, get him, even though Trey was

1255
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:58,399
not trying to get him, you
know, was yeah, yeah, come

1256
01:31:58,479 --> 01:32:01,600
up, he's for him exactly exactly. Now. I forgot to mention this

1257
01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:04,119
on the last episode, so I'm
gonna drop this in just because I think

1258
01:32:04,119 --> 01:32:09,439
it's a cool thing. You mentioned
the music here doing that little cool thing

1259
01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:13,960
to sort of replicate the sound of
rainfall or something. In the last episode

1260
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:20,079
in Legally Wooten, there was that
cool surfer Hawaiian vibe to this whole score

1261
01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:26,159
in this episode, because we're talking
about marine animals, you know, and

1262
01:32:26,199 --> 01:32:30,760
so it's the sea with the purposes
and stuff. And I just thought that

1263
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:33,239
was a really cool little touch that
John Campbell threw in there, and I

1264
01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:36,319
forgot to mention it before, so
I had to throw it in now.

1265
01:32:36,359 --> 01:32:40,520
But I just thought that was cool. Yeah, and the Christmas music in

1266
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:43,279
there too, and from out the
Christmas ornament. Oh hey, I didn't

1267
01:32:43,279 --> 01:32:45,920
even notice that. That's cool.
Yeah, great point. There's a lot

1268
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:54,159
of things in the music pay attention
to people. So about Suzu, I

1269
01:32:54,199 --> 01:32:57,960
feel, you know, she's much
more humble. I mean, you know,

1270
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:00,239
a little dragging her feet on some
stuff. But for her especially,

1271
01:33:00,279 --> 01:33:03,520
like I'm glad they weren't both the
same personalities, like they don't have the

1272
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:09,359
same personality even before this episode,
but like how hers is it is not

1273
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:14,319
necessarily as dramatic, but on her
level, like I's kind of sympathize with

1274
01:33:14,399 --> 01:33:17,199
her to a certain extent. And
the thing about plagiarism and things like that,

1275
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:21,159
which I know some people had some
issues about that, like oh not

1276
01:33:21,159 --> 01:33:26,880
not everyody believes that, but it
has not as much right now. But

1277
01:33:27,079 --> 01:33:30,159
culturally in some parts of Japan,
I think that is there, like certain

1278
01:33:30,199 --> 01:33:35,880
types of plagiarism is ethically accepted,
but not necessarily at every level. That's

1279
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:41,640
nothing I'd never heard of before,
but I know there are certain values in

1280
01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:45,119
certain cultural things that are different from
the United States like US in a Western

1281
01:33:45,119 --> 01:33:49,920
culture may not realize or get in
that area. Which also too, like

1282
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:54,720
you know, Japanese are probably a
lot more polite than we are, like

1283
01:33:54,760 --> 01:33:59,720
them in Canadians. Well, I
know that's a stereotype. Yeah, and

1284
01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:03,079
I heard about that issue before,
so that was not something new to me.

1285
01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:10,119
And also remember she is still just
a kid. And also she hasn't

1286
01:34:10,159 --> 01:34:13,880
been over here in the US very
long yet, so yeah, that's another

1287
01:34:13,880 --> 01:34:16,600
consideration there. And I thought she
mentioned that, you know that she had

1288
01:34:16,600 --> 01:34:19,479
this you know, she's a cleft
of maniac basically in the past, and

1289
01:34:19,479 --> 01:34:21,800
that she's trying not to do that
anymore, which I think it's the first

1290
01:34:21,800 --> 01:34:27,800
time we've heard an indication about that
since Part two or three of the Right

1291
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:31,319
Over Relations I think so. I'm
glad that was brought up. Yeah,

1292
01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:38,399
yeah, and I agree to I
like her more than Maury. She she

1293
01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:41,760
has a little bit more likable ness. I know, that's not a word

1294
01:34:42,479 --> 01:34:45,880
to her than he does. I
don't know, I don't I don't want

1295
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:47,640
to beat a dead horse, but
I mean, I think there was such

1296
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:54,439
potential with the type of character that
Maury could have been. Yeah. So

1297
01:34:55,760 --> 01:35:00,399
enough about that. But the last
thing I have about this episode is something

1298
01:35:00,399 --> 01:35:04,119
that Chris said in the wrap up, and I loved it because she said

1299
01:35:04,199 --> 01:35:10,079
she had a question about did you
ever have somebody ever say to you we're

1300
01:35:10,119 --> 01:35:14,279
taking the scenic rout or something like
that? That made me smile so much

1301
01:35:14,359 --> 01:35:16,960
because that was my dad, Like, he used to say that all the

1302
01:35:17,039 --> 01:35:21,000
time. We did road trips all
the time, you know, like long

1303
01:35:21,159 --> 01:35:27,840
cross country road trips, just day
trips to different areas wherever we were living

1304
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:31,039
at the time, and so that
was something I heard so much growing up.

1305
01:35:31,039 --> 01:35:35,600
It just made me smile because that
was exactly what he'd say. You

1306
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:39,479
know, everybody else is like,
we're lost, we don't know where we're

1307
01:35:39,479 --> 01:35:45,880
going. He'd say, we're just
taking the scenic route. Yeah, that's

1308
01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:49,560
funny. We should mention that Trey
is played by Paul mckel Williams, and

1309
01:35:50,159 --> 01:35:55,000
he's he's just a he's a great
actor as well. All of the voice

1310
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:58,680
actors on AIO we know are pretty
solid. I mean these are professionals.

1311
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:02,560
Yeah, lots of actors that we
don't hear from on a super regular basis.

1312
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:05,439
I mean, they're not like the
main characters of you know, Connie

1313
01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:10,600
and Wooden nor Witt and so lots
of other ones in here, So it

1314
01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:15,600
was cool to have a little bit
of a variety of voices. Yeah,

1315
01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:19,960
overall, a solid episode. I
think I would agree. It's one of

1316
01:36:19,960 --> 01:36:25,720
the stronger ones in this album,
I think though. Moving on to episode

1317
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:29,840
nine fifty six, Tough Call,
I think this is probably my favorite of

1318
01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:33,279
this album. It was written and
directed by Marshall Younger, post production by

1319
01:36:33,359 --> 01:36:39,359
Zack Schneider, and music by John
Campbell. So we're sort of continuing this

1320
01:36:40,359 --> 01:36:45,760
Olivia faith arc and I've loved it. This is one of the strongest arcs

1321
01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:49,439
that the show has ever done in
my opinion. Really glad to hear it

1322
01:36:49,479 --> 01:36:53,960
continue. Yeah, it's sort of
similar, it's different, but it is

1323
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:58,439
similar to what you mentioned at the
top of this review in that it's sort

1324
01:36:58,479 --> 01:37:02,920
of a continuation of the previous thing. So in the other case, it

1325
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:09,239
was sort of the aftermath of twenty
eight Hours and sort of having a little

1326
01:37:09,239 --> 01:37:11,960
bit of a lighter moment. Now
this is not necessarily a lighter moment,

1327
01:37:12,039 --> 01:37:17,399
but it's different. It's a transition. It's moving out of her main struggle,

1328
01:37:17,800 --> 01:37:24,760
and so now Olivia's in sort of
the post struggle phase, you know

1329
01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:28,079
what I mean. That's probably not
a great way to phrase it, but

1330
01:37:28,640 --> 01:37:31,039
it's different, you know, applying
the things that she learned through that situation.

1331
01:37:31,600 --> 01:37:36,119
Yeah. Yeah, And so to
hearing continue in this way, it

1332
01:37:36,199 --> 01:37:44,600
feels very natural and I really enjoyed
it. Olivia as a character has has

1333
01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:46,520
gone through so many phases from when
she was first introduced. You know,

1334
01:37:47,039 --> 01:37:54,960
this little kid who was all you
know, gaga about a singer, Yeah,

1335
01:37:55,039 --> 01:37:59,000
Melissa Ciphers. Yeah. And so
now, I mean there's a maturity

1336
01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:02,760
to her now that really happens in
life. When you go through a deep

1337
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:06,399
struggle like that, you're not the
same person when you come out on the

1338
01:38:06,439 --> 01:38:12,920
other side. M Yeah. I
was really happy that they were gonna follow

1339
01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:16,119
up with that, and I know
some people were saying, Oh, he

1340
01:38:16,279 --> 01:38:19,479
wrapped up way too quickly, like
this isn't realistic for me. If they

1341
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:23,000
had stopped at the Lost One,
I would have been fine with it.

1342
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:27,039
It doesn't mean that everything is totally
resolved, like there's more to come from

1343
01:38:27,119 --> 01:38:30,119
it, possibly like natural and real
life. I've been fine with just any

1344
01:38:30,159 --> 01:38:33,479
of the Lost One. But I'm
glad it didn't because we hear more Olivia

1345
01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:36,920
and Fallow up to that, and
it's also cool that we finally get to

1346
01:38:36,920 --> 01:38:41,279
hear her testimony, which we didn't
hear she was going to give in Triple

1347
01:38:41,319 --> 01:38:43,720
Dog or Sunday. We finally get
to hear it, and it's a much

1348
01:38:43,720 --> 01:38:47,319
different testimony than what she would have
given there mm hmmm hmm. Shout out

1349
01:38:47,359 --> 01:38:54,399
to Kelly Stables playing Olivia Parker and
Natalie Lander as Zoe Grant. They are

1350
01:38:54,439 --> 01:38:57,720
just a great pairing. They play
off of each other so well, and

1351
01:38:57,800 --> 01:39:00,720
if you listen to the official podcast, you can tell that they have a

1352
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:05,600
nice chemistry with each other the actresses, and so it's really cool. Yeah,

1353
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:11,920
there was just so much about this
one that felt so genuine. There

1354
01:39:11,920 --> 01:39:15,279
were a couple of light moments too, like near the beginning when Zoe says

1355
01:39:15,319 --> 01:39:17,680
to her, like, you know, you're wise beyond your years or somebody

1356
01:39:17,680 --> 01:39:20,880
had made that comment, and so
she repeats it, and Olivia says,

1357
01:39:21,119 --> 01:39:26,600
I'm unwise beneath my years. I
have thought my notes that was a good

1358
01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:30,920
one. Yeah, But you know, speaking of the comments, it just,

1359
01:39:31,479 --> 01:39:36,920
you know, exemplifies the vitriol or
negativity that can be online comment sections.

1360
01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:43,199
And so as with the frenzy about
a media property that we saw earlier

1361
01:39:43,239 --> 01:39:47,760
in Legally Wooten, in this one
we see another reflection of our current world

1362
01:39:48,520 --> 01:39:55,800
online comments. People are just downright
jerks sometimes in online comments, and so

1363
01:39:56,000 --> 01:40:00,680
I mean, that's just unfortunately a
reality these days. We're not gonna read

1364
01:40:00,680 --> 01:40:05,399
anything more from Jackson, Yeah,
exactly that line from unrelatable Yeah reading comments

1365
01:40:05,720 --> 01:40:12,439
which now be brought it up.
My biggest beef with this episode is the

1366
01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:15,279
use of technology in this and I
think I pro I would have had this

1367
01:40:15,319 --> 01:40:18,920
to a certain extent before I started
working at Heart Matters Full disclosure, I

1368
01:40:18,920 --> 01:40:25,199
work at a nonprofit that helps equip
kids and parents to keep kids safe on

1369
01:40:25,239 --> 01:40:28,199
the Internet. And the things that
a Living and Zoe were doing here,

1370
01:40:28,319 --> 01:40:30,960
Like I think if I got thirteen
fourteen, something like that they should never

1371
01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:36,239
chat with a stranger online, let
alone have a call with them. Sometimes

1372
01:40:36,279 --> 01:40:42,880
like people have like a public forum
like a discord server or a message board

1373
01:40:42,920 --> 01:40:45,119
or something like that, and then
sin as they'll get people pick certain people

1374
01:40:45,119 --> 01:40:47,520
out and I go into like private
message or whatever, and then move them

1375
01:40:47,520 --> 01:40:51,199
off that platform into a less safe
environment and get them away from that kind

1376
01:40:51,199 --> 01:40:55,199
of stuff, like, uh,
this is not good. This is not

1377
01:40:55,239 --> 01:40:58,359
good. Like, I know it
happens, but I don't think it's something

1378
01:40:58,439 --> 01:41:02,439
that kids should be doing. And
kind of the use of technology on Odyssey.

1379
01:41:03,119 --> 01:41:06,079
I know it's the representation of what
kids are doing now, but I

1380
01:41:06,119 --> 01:41:10,439
think there should be a balance of
people saying, Okay, this isn't a

1381
01:41:10,479 --> 01:41:13,279
safe thing to do. Do this
in moderation, things like that, you

1382
01:41:13,319 --> 01:41:15,920
know, get your parents, don't
be on the internet alone. Things like

1383
01:41:15,960 --> 01:41:19,239
that I think will be beneficial.
That's the only problem I have with this

1384
01:41:19,319 --> 01:41:25,680
episode. But yeah, and rant
No, that is so so valid.

1385
01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:29,680
I'm glad you brought that up.
There was a moment where it did register

1386
01:41:29,880 --> 01:41:33,159
to me, a moment where it's
like I just realized that these are young

1387
01:41:33,239 --> 01:41:39,840
kids having completely unfettered access here.
But then and I got into the story

1388
01:41:39,840 --> 01:41:43,520
again, and I forgot about it, and I never even put anything in

1389
01:41:43,560 --> 01:41:45,159
my notes about that. But I'm
so glad you brought that up. You're

1390
01:41:45,199 --> 01:41:49,760
absolutely right, they are still very
young, and yeah, the fact that

1391
01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:53,800
they're like, they don't know who
this person is making the comment, and

1392
01:41:53,840 --> 01:41:56,600
they're like, well, let's just
do a video call. You have no

1393
01:41:56,720 --> 01:41:59,359
clue what you're going to see on
the other end. You know, in

1394
01:41:59,399 --> 01:42:02,840
this case, perhaps you could make
the argument that they're on the they're obviously

1395
01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:10,720
on the church's page there watching the
video of her testimony, so it's less

1396
01:42:10,720 --> 01:42:15,359
of a chance of there being something
bad. But these these these bad actors

1397
01:42:15,399 --> 01:42:18,800
out there, and I don't mean
voice actors, these bad actors online.

1398
01:42:19,399 --> 01:42:25,600
They they they will impersonate whatever they
have to do to get a kid to

1399
01:42:25,680 --> 01:42:28,600
do something, you know, So
I'm very glad you brought that up.

1400
01:42:28,600 --> 01:42:30,119
That is a good point. Yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot

1401
01:42:30,159 --> 01:42:34,520
of adoco pretend to be kids and
then act like they're that, like they're

1402
01:42:34,520 --> 01:42:39,479
a kid and that kind of stuff, know the language. Impersonate somebody and

1403
01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:43,600
then get them to do some pretty
terrible things, or get them away and

1404
01:42:44,000 --> 01:42:45,760
isolate them, which we hear about
labor isolate them from other people. And

1405
01:42:46,439 --> 01:42:49,079
yeah, you gotta you gotta look
out for those sigfree the spiders out there.

1406
01:42:49,359 --> 01:42:55,239
That's right. Yeah, And if
you didn't hear a couple episodes back

1407
01:42:55,239 --> 01:43:00,520
where I talked with Austin and Christy
Fromhart Matters about the very topic and what

1408
01:43:00,640 --> 01:43:04,119
they're doing to help in this area, you need to go back and listen

1409
01:43:04,159 --> 01:43:09,199
to that episode of ATC and go
download the Heart Matters app. Listen to

1410
01:43:09,239 --> 01:43:12,479
the audio dramas and the other materials
that they're working on. It's a it's

1411
01:43:12,520 --> 01:43:15,840
a great, great thing. So
thank you for bringing that up. Oh

1412
01:43:15,920 --> 01:43:18,000
yeah, it's not just a plug
for the organization. But no, I

1413
01:43:18,039 --> 01:43:21,680
know you weren't trying to do that. Yeah, yeah, I understand,

1414
01:43:21,680 --> 01:43:25,520
but I know that's one point I
wrote down, Like I think I probably

1415
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:27,560
would have said something, you know, if I didn't have the job I

1416
01:43:27,640 --> 01:43:30,520
have. But it's like, yeah, this is something that needs to be

1417
01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:35,319
addressed, and hopefully obviously we'll do
something different at least see a balance of

1418
01:43:35,359 --> 01:43:40,479
that, because we see how things
like internet fame and like how people will

1419
01:43:40,520 --> 01:43:43,359
follow you, like with a survivor
boy with Wyatt doing his videos and that

1420
01:43:43,399 --> 01:43:45,600
kind of stuff, like they see
like the negative aspects of what can come

1421
01:43:45,640 --> 01:43:49,239
from it, but like the kits
shouldn't be on the internet that way anyway.

1422
01:43:49,880 --> 01:43:55,039
Mm hmm. Yeah, yep,
good point. And I like that

1423
01:43:55,399 --> 01:44:02,960
early on in the episode because like
Olivia feels like she's very unqualified to address

1424
01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:08,680
these questions and things like that.
I like how I think it was Wit

1425
01:44:09,359 --> 01:44:12,800
saying something about like how like I
just got in my notes here, not

1426
01:44:12,840 --> 01:44:15,800
just experience based on the Bible or
base based on the Bible. So like

1427
01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:20,319
Olivia, some people might come through
situation or not just her situation, but

1428
01:44:20,439 --> 01:44:25,920
other things, and just give this
information to people like going by their own

1429
01:44:25,960 --> 01:44:30,319
emotions, their own opinions. But
if you leave the Bible out of it,

1430
01:44:30,319 --> 01:44:33,119
if you leave out God out of
the picture, those experiences may hurt

1431
01:44:33,199 --> 01:44:38,840
people if you don't back up with
scripture, because everybody's experience in certain situations

1432
01:44:38,840 --> 01:44:42,359
are different and what worked one person
may not work for another person. But

1433
01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:45,319
you got to make sure that one
what you give them is based on scripture

1434
01:44:45,319 --> 01:44:48,600
and not just your own experience.
And I appreciated that exactly. Yeah,

1435
01:44:48,840 --> 01:44:53,399
And overall, what Witt was saying
to her was true. It was it

1436
01:44:53,439 --> 01:44:57,880
was accurate, and she needed to
know, and she she realized that she

1437
01:44:58,279 --> 01:45:03,000
didn't feel equipped necessarily with all the
knowledge that she might need to answer some

1438
01:45:03,039 --> 01:45:06,199
of the questions that were coming at
her. But there was one thing,

1439
01:45:06,640 --> 01:45:13,600
one phrasing that I wish had been
phrased differently, and Wit says to her,

1440
01:45:13,920 --> 01:45:15,720
you need to make sure you are
sharing God's truth and not just your

1441
01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:20,720
own. And it just like there's
a big thing these days of your truth,

1442
01:45:20,840 --> 01:45:25,279
my truth, and I'm like,
there is no such thing as your

1443
01:45:25,319 --> 01:45:29,039
own truth. There are perceptions,
there are opinions, there are thoughts,

1444
01:45:29,079 --> 01:45:36,079
but there's really only one truth.
So that that my my hackles were up

1445
01:45:36,079 --> 01:45:41,640
a little bit about that. But
I understood the context and everything else with

1446
01:45:41,680 --> 01:45:45,520
what he was saying to her was
true, but that that phrasing there just

1447
01:45:46,159 --> 01:45:49,760
I wasn't too crazy about that.
Yeah, I didn't pick that up before,

1448
01:45:49,760 --> 01:45:53,239
but yeah, like I I don't
think that's what Marshall meant with that,

1449
01:45:53,920 --> 01:45:57,560
but I get that, like yeah, because again, like it's not

1450
01:45:57,560 --> 01:46:00,199
necessarily truth, Like, yes,
this thing happened, it's a fact that

1451
01:46:00,239 --> 01:46:04,039
this happened to you. But whether
or not there is the truth that you

1452
01:46:04,039 --> 01:46:08,359
can apply with it or from it. I'm not sure figuring it out right,

1453
01:46:08,359 --> 01:46:11,680
but yeah, I get what you're
saying. And I did like that

1454
01:46:11,720 --> 01:46:14,840
he was saying to her, you
know, maybe this is an opportunity.

1455
01:46:15,119 --> 01:46:19,000
Maybe he said, have you considered
God maybe calling you to share or whatever

1456
01:46:19,039 --> 01:46:21,600
the whatever the rest of the line
was there, but he did say,

1457
01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:25,960
have you considered God maybe calling you? And she's like, I didn't ask

1458
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:28,560
for a calling, you know,
And it's like, yeah, there were

1459
01:46:28,560 --> 01:46:30,439
a lot of people in the Bible
that didn't ask for a calling and God

1460
01:46:30,479 --> 01:46:35,079
called them anyway. It kind of
goes goes back to worth it a little

1461
01:46:35,119 --> 01:46:40,039
bit, where like why did God
allow these bad things to happen? It

1462
01:46:40,079 --> 01:46:43,279
was to glorify God. And you
can look at this like, what again,

1463
01:46:43,319 --> 01:46:46,359
this is fictional story, but God
allowed that happened to you, mister

1464
01:46:46,439 --> 01:46:53,479
Norton, allowed Olivia to go through
these things to help Jade and possibly other

1465
01:46:53,520 --> 01:46:56,720
people with that kind of looking at
that perspective to a certain extent, like

1466
01:46:56,760 --> 01:47:00,680
why these bad things happen? Yes, it could have went either way because

1467
01:47:00,680 --> 01:47:05,239
we all have a choice on things. But God has a plan and he

1468
01:47:05,399 --> 01:47:10,079
is like we talked about like Wit
earlier, being step ahead Maury. You

1469
01:47:10,079 --> 01:47:13,640
know, God is, you know, millions of steps ahead of us on

1470
01:47:13,680 --> 01:47:15,840
those kind of things. And I
just got kind of that vibe from that

1471
01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:19,399
were some of that lessons from Worth
It kind of carries over. That's a

1472
01:47:19,399 --> 01:47:23,760
good parallel. I hadn't thought about
that, but yeah, that's that's really

1473
01:47:23,760 --> 01:47:29,039
good. And you know, you
mentioned the character of Jade Jade Radner played

1474
01:47:29,039 --> 01:47:33,319
by Samara Jackson. Fantastic, fantastic
voice. Yes, the character, the

1475
01:47:33,680 --> 01:47:39,840
performance, there were some moments that
were really deep. There weren't like boohoo

1476
01:47:39,880 --> 01:47:45,520
crying moments, but there were some
really emotional moments there, and she was

1477
01:47:45,560 --> 01:47:51,560
fantastic, just just really good and
I really appreciated that. And so to

1478
01:47:51,640 --> 01:47:57,600
your point about all of this may
have been leading up to this point of

1479
01:47:57,640 --> 01:48:00,039
Olivia helping her, and she even
says to her at the end of the

1480
01:48:00,079 --> 01:48:03,119
episode, she says, funny how
God works that out? Huh, you

1481
01:48:03,159 --> 01:48:08,680
know, something like that. And
because here, here we have an example

1482
01:48:08,760 --> 01:48:15,920
of a preacher who has a national
and possibly international reach, and so this

1483
01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:19,079
story, I mean, we don't
know where things are going, but hypothetically,

1484
01:48:19,199 --> 01:48:25,279
you know, Olivia influences Jade.
Jade makes this decision, finally realizes

1485
01:48:25,319 --> 01:48:30,239
where she needs to be spiritually,
and that in turn, because it became

1486
01:48:30,319 --> 01:48:36,199
this big news story, the resolution
of it could be shared to a huge

1487
01:48:36,359 --> 01:48:41,439
amount of people and impact so many
lives because of it, and it all

1488
01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:46,159
is a snowball or a butterfly effect, so to speak, from this earlier

1489
01:48:46,319 --> 01:48:49,800
thing. So yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, what you meant for evil,

1490
01:48:49,800 --> 01:48:56,199
God meant for good. Yeah.
And there was some beautiful moments of

1491
01:48:56,359 --> 01:49:00,600
music in this episode too. I've
pointed the music out several times, but

1492
01:49:00,760 --> 01:49:05,880
overall, John Campbell just really had
some great moments throughout this album, peaceful

1493
01:49:05,960 --> 01:49:14,560
sounding, just beautiful, soothing music
moments in this episode. And I can't

1494
01:49:14,600 --> 01:49:18,479
think of a particular scene right now, but just overall, it just fits

1495
01:49:18,520 --> 01:49:24,760
so nicely into the context of what
was happening and the overall point of this

1496
01:49:24,840 --> 01:49:29,600
episode. Just a really great job
on the music. Yeah. The one

1497
01:49:29,680 --> 01:49:32,439
scene I think that my favorite scene
except for me, like the last scene,

1498
01:49:33,359 --> 01:49:38,159
is when Olivia is talking to Jade
when she talks about the music that

1499
01:49:38,199 --> 01:49:43,439
she's listening to in the lyrics m
hm, and how Olivia talks about like

1500
01:49:43,800 --> 01:49:48,319
I think basically she said that experience
that the devil is very sneaky and speaks

1501
01:49:48,319 --> 01:49:51,439
to us in many ways, and
what if you know, these hopeless lyrics

1502
01:49:51,520 --> 01:49:58,760
is a way that's disguise as being
honest that's actually hindering you to coming to

1503
01:49:58,840 --> 01:50:01,479
God. And I think the music
at that point is I don't know,

1504
01:50:02,199 --> 01:50:04,479
I have to really listen to it. I I wonder there's some elements I

1505
01:50:04,479 --> 01:50:08,000
don't think I heard any of that
Russian style music that be here, like

1506
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:12,680
with about Lenid in album seventy two
and seventy one, but whet are there's

1507
01:50:12,720 --> 01:50:15,520
some notes from that that's interlaced in
that. But I think it's one of

1508
01:50:15,560 --> 01:50:20,239
the scenes that the music like really
somber and like really serious, but not

1509
01:50:20,319 --> 01:50:25,720
you know, over dramatic or anything
like that. Yeah, and that particular

1510
01:50:25,800 --> 01:50:28,920
scene, those lines that you just
referenced there, I actually had in my

1511
01:50:28,960 --> 01:50:30,680
notes too, because I wanted to
make sure to hit on that such a

1512
01:50:30,720 --> 01:50:38,079
great valuable lesson and you know,
this is something that honestly does really well

1513
01:50:38,199 --> 01:50:40,279
a lot of the time, and
there are a few times where things might

1514
01:50:40,319 --> 01:50:42,319
be a little clunky over the years. I mean, they've been going for

1515
01:50:42,359 --> 01:50:45,159
so long, but everyone's not going
to be a home run. But this

1516
01:50:45,199 --> 01:50:50,119
particular moment, it is teaching a
lesson to their audience of the show.

1517
01:50:50,600 --> 01:50:56,239
But it fits so nicely into the
context of this scene and what's happening in

1518
01:50:56,279 --> 01:51:00,479
the story. It didn't feel like
we're trying to teach you something right at

1519
01:51:00,520 --> 01:51:03,359
this moment, you know, but
they are. They are, And it's

1520
01:51:03,479 --> 01:51:10,119
such a valuable point too. What
you listen to is so so important mm

1521
01:51:10,199 --> 01:51:13,039
hmm. Yeah. It's also important, you know, for like things that

1522
01:51:13,039 --> 01:51:15,119
you watch and read and things like
that. But as we all know,

1523
01:51:15,600 --> 01:51:19,279
something like Adventures in Odyssey and just
listening to people on the radio, there's

1524
01:51:19,279 --> 01:51:24,119
something very personal about hearing something directly
into your ear, people talking to you

1525
01:51:24,199 --> 01:51:26,279
drecthly your ear, like you don't
see the visual, you don't read the

1526
01:51:26,319 --> 01:51:30,239
words. There's something very I'm not
sure how to describe it. I've read

1527
01:51:30,319 --> 01:51:34,079
some people talking about this about how
personal that is, like podcasts, radio

1528
01:51:34,079 --> 01:51:38,760
shows something like that, and you
know, Odyssey overall, there's something so

1529
01:51:38,920 --> 01:51:43,920
personal that can influence because you know, our imaginations mixed with just audio is

1530
01:51:44,399 --> 01:51:47,079
when I think that reading some of
the when our brains are working at their

1531
01:51:47,720 --> 01:51:51,279
most and soak and stuff in so
again, you gotta be very careful,

1532
01:51:51,279 --> 01:51:59,239
careful what you bring into your mind. And that coupled with later on Levia

1533
01:51:59,279 --> 01:52:01,319
saying, like, you know,
the biggest mistake I had was shutting out

1534
01:52:01,319 --> 01:52:04,359
my friends and family. Keeping people
away is not the answer, which is

1535
01:52:04,399 --> 01:52:10,000
what Olivia did from like set a
Watchmen forward, I think, And again

1536
01:52:10,079 --> 01:52:14,720
it's it's showing how she learned her
lesson in applying it now. And sometimes

1537
01:52:14,920 --> 01:52:16,920
usually we have like a one off
episode of a character learning something that's not

1538
01:52:17,000 --> 01:52:20,520
usually applied to something later down the
road, unless it's part of a story

1539
01:52:20,640 --> 01:52:25,000
arc, and sometimes even just in
that story arc once that leaves, once

1540
01:52:25,039 --> 01:52:29,079
that's finished, then if that character
does show up, you don't get much

1541
01:52:29,119 --> 01:52:31,800
reference to that or if there's another
particular situation that's kind of similar. I

1542
01:52:31,800 --> 01:52:33,800
mean, I'll always get that,
oh yeah, they learned their lesson,

1543
01:52:33,840 --> 01:52:39,319
but no, they're learning this lesson
again. But I love it how those

1544
01:52:39,359 --> 01:52:43,920
things that she learned from those previous
episodes are being applied here, kind of

1545
01:52:43,920 --> 01:52:47,920
distilling all those lessons that you learn
from that series into this one episode.

1546
01:52:47,960 --> 01:52:55,000
And I love it, yeah,
yep. And also I loved how the

1547
01:52:55,039 --> 01:52:59,760
father just dropped everything he left the
conference that he was at and he rushed

1548
01:52:59,760 --> 01:53:01,680
home to talk to her. He's
like, you know, this is the

1549
01:53:01,680 --> 01:53:06,039
most important thing my family right here. My daughter is going through a crisis

1550
01:53:06,079 --> 01:53:10,000
at this moment, and I need
to be there. And I just thought

1551
01:53:10,119 --> 01:53:14,399
that that was a beautiful thing.
Yeah. Yeah, I think it's very

1552
01:53:14,439 --> 01:53:16,479
great and just the idea of which
I don't think we've had much of this

1553
01:53:16,840 --> 01:53:19,960
in Odyssey. Like again, like
come with Olivia. Stuff is like just

1554
01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:24,359
like there's pray, a lot of
people they are questioning is God real?

1555
01:53:24,760 --> 01:53:29,760
People that are doubting God, things
like that, and you know, backsliding

1556
01:53:29,880 --> 01:53:33,239
or falling from their faith. And
probably a lot of Odyssey's listeners, you

1557
01:53:33,279 --> 01:53:39,479
know, a lot of kids raising
Christian families that aren't Christians themselves or don't

1558
01:53:39,520 --> 01:53:43,279
realize that, or just you know
kind of hanging into the coattails of the

1559
01:53:43,399 --> 01:53:46,279
parents' faith, which we get.
We get kind of that to a certain

1560
01:53:46,279 --> 01:53:49,199
extent with Jack, I think tells
you Gene about that when he was not

1561
01:53:49,239 --> 01:53:55,399
a Christian. And also to a
certain extent with Camilla, Olivia's sister and

1562
01:53:56,479 --> 01:53:59,560
your servant is listening where she's like, oh, I'm not much about reading

1563
01:53:59,560 --> 01:54:00,880
the Bible thing like that, and
they bring out like, Okay, she's

1564
01:54:00,920 --> 01:54:04,039
not a Christian and she gets saved
at the end of the Imagination Station adventure.

1565
01:54:04,399 --> 01:54:08,520
So having a character like this like
part of a Christian family, like

1566
01:54:08,560 --> 01:54:11,920
all your family members may be a
Christian, Like is there something wrong with

1567
01:54:11,960 --> 01:54:14,359
me? Is this not for me? Like? Can I even be a

1568
01:54:14,439 --> 01:54:19,840
Christian? Like this addresses something similar
vain as Olivia's previous episodes, but then

1569
01:54:19,880 --> 01:54:24,640
in a different ways, like yes, I'm so glad Odyssey's addressing it and

1570
01:54:24,640 --> 01:54:29,960
they're doing it well with this exactly
exactly these two they're different struggles, they're

1571
01:54:29,960 --> 01:54:34,319
different situations, but they dovetail together
so nicely, and it just made the

1572
01:54:34,399 --> 01:54:41,279
perfect transition to this different phase.
And yeah, it was just just extremely

1573
01:54:41,319 --> 01:54:45,399
well done. And I have to
say, I admit I got a little

1574
01:54:45,439 --> 01:54:48,760
teary at the end of this episode. Yeah, me too. Yeah,

1575
01:54:48,800 --> 01:54:53,600
and the title too. I know
for some reason, we'll get to the

1576
01:54:53,640 --> 01:54:58,479
next episode here soon, but such
peop we are thinking that the episode title

1577
01:54:58,520 --> 01:55:00,439
for the one about Olivia is gonna
be King of My Heart. And then

1578
01:55:00,479 --> 01:55:04,880
tough Call was me the Buck and
Jewels one, but it was Flipps and

1579
01:55:05,319 --> 01:55:10,560
I loved like the meaning of tough
call with that double meaning of tough call

1580
01:55:10,680 --> 01:55:13,760
as being like a tough thing to
do, but also tough calls and calling

1581
01:55:13,840 --> 01:55:17,279
her dad she can't talk with her
dad. I really like that. Yeah.

1582
01:55:17,560 --> 01:55:21,520
Have you heard the club episodes from
this year yet? No? Okay,

1583
01:55:23,079 --> 01:55:28,359
so Olivia's continuing from this thing has
not totally wrapped up. There's some

1584
01:55:28,399 --> 01:55:30,279
elements of it in one of the
club episodes in this year that I liked,

1585
01:55:30,840 --> 01:55:35,119
so cool and look forward to.
And speaking of the of the father,

1586
01:55:35,399 --> 01:55:41,760
Monty Radner played by Drew Rausch,
great great performance there too. Just

1587
01:55:41,800 --> 01:55:45,399
some some new names in the in
odyssey, which at least to me,

1588
01:55:45,560 --> 01:55:48,960
I don't think either of these actors
have have participated before, and they were

1589
01:55:49,000 --> 01:55:54,560
both fantastic. And as I said, this was my favorite episode from this

1590
01:55:54,720 --> 01:56:00,960
from this album, and just just
some really timely and important discussions. I

1591
01:56:00,039 --> 01:56:03,600
think, yeah, it's it's probably
my favorite from the album. I think,

1592
01:56:04,039 --> 01:56:06,520
well, yeah, I think it's
probably my favorite. I think it's

1593
01:56:06,560 --> 01:56:12,359
the best one and probably also the
one that's the most rounded to a certain

1594
01:56:12,359 --> 01:56:17,279
extent or the most serious, and
that's probably why you know it carries so

1595
01:56:17,359 --> 01:56:19,720
much weight. Yeah, it's grounded
and you know gravity, and you know,

1596
01:56:19,760 --> 01:56:25,840
it's heavier matters and things like that. But yeah, yeah, like

1597
01:56:25,880 --> 01:56:29,560
some of the other ones, like
Game Night legally wooten to a certain extent

1598
01:56:29,600 --> 01:56:34,000
the next episode like this one and
value in the process or like more serious,

1599
01:56:34,119 --> 01:56:36,840
not as jovial and funny and that
kind of stuff. But like this

1600
01:56:36,920 --> 01:56:41,079
one, of all of them,
it shares the same gravitas that you know,

1601
01:56:41,159 --> 01:56:46,079
the preceding episodes for this story arc
saga thing. And it's another stellar

1602
01:56:46,119 --> 01:56:50,479
episode, one of Odosty's best episodes. I think. Well, let's move

1603
01:56:50,479 --> 01:56:55,279
on to the final episode, nine
fifty seven, King of My Heart,

1604
01:56:55,760 --> 01:57:00,000
written and directed by Kathy Buchanan,
sound designed by Christopher Deal, and music

1605
01:57:00,159 --> 01:57:05,279
by John Campbell. So here,
here's the thing. I'm not a big

1606
01:57:05,319 --> 01:57:10,960
fan of the of the teenage drama
sort of stories. And I don't know

1607
01:57:11,000 --> 01:57:15,439
if that's just that I'm getting too
old, Yeah, but it is.

1608
01:57:16,840 --> 01:57:20,880
I'm sure that's a factor. I'm
not in the nine to twelve or the

1609
01:57:20,880 --> 01:57:27,399
eight to twelve demographic. And you
know, but I know people love this

1610
01:57:27,520 --> 01:57:30,800
whole thing. I mean, they
even gave a nod to the fan base

1611
01:57:30,880 --> 01:57:35,000
with the title of this album Buckle
Up. It's a it's a it's a

1612
01:57:35,079 --> 01:57:45,079
reference to Buckles. The whole shipping
mindset of fandoms in the last several years,

1613
01:57:45,560 --> 01:57:47,439
I don't get it. I I'm
just gonna shoot straight. I don't

1614
01:57:47,520 --> 01:57:53,720
understand that whole mentality. Yes,
I understand getting involved in Oh that's you

1615
01:57:53,720 --> 01:57:58,920
know, the whole Eugene and Katrina
relationship arc. I mentioned on Daniel Roth's

1616
01:57:59,000 --> 01:58:02,640
podcast that that I really enjoyed that
when it was playing out, but it

1617
01:58:02,680 --> 01:58:08,079
was never I never got so I
don't know what the word is so in

1618
01:58:09,079 --> 01:58:13,079
deeply involved in it that you think
about it, and I don't know.

1619
01:58:13,119 --> 01:58:15,680
It's just it seems like it's gone
to a new level those kinds of things

1620
01:58:15,920 --> 01:58:20,960
in recent years, and people get
so into it, and that's not my

1621
01:58:21,039 --> 01:58:26,079
thing at all, And so I
didn't go into this one with high expectations.

1622
01:58:26,760 --> 01:58:30,800
However, I thought it was a
pretty decent episode after I finally got

1623
01:58:30,800 --> 01:58:33,119
into it. I mean, there
are still some things that I thought were

1624
01:58:33,119 --> 01:58:39,560
a little bit cheesy, but overall
it was a pretty okay episode. Yeah.

1625
01:58:39,640 --> 01:58:44,039
Like, there are some episodes even
from Odysty's past, like kid centric

1626
01:58:44,119 --> 01:58:47,680
episodes of issues at school, even
some teenagers of like Aubrey and things like

1627
01:58:47,680 --> 01:58:50,439
that. Like, I'm glad they're
doing these episodes, and I'm okay,

1628
01:58:50,680 --> 01:58:55,359
just a minute. I want to
clarify something. When I say teenage drama,

1629
01:58:55,399 --> 01:59:00,760
I should have said specifically the teenage
relationship drama. Now kid centric episodes.

1630
01:59:00,880 --> 01:59:03,760
I'm all about that. I'm totally
cool with that. I like those

1631
01:59:03,800 --> 01:59:09,399
episodes because this is a show primarily
for kids to listen to it with their

1632
01:59:09,439 --> 01:59:15,199
families. But yeah, just dealing
with interpersonal relationships, go school things,

1633
01:59:15,520 --> 01:59:18,680
I'm cool with all of that.
It's the teenage relationship drama, which I'm

1634
01:59:18,680 --> 01:59:23,000
not a big fan of, so
I wanted to make sure I was clear

1635
01:59:23,039 --> 01:59:25,880
on that. So yeah, go
go, go ahead. Sorry to interrupt,

1636
01:59:26,119 --> 01:59:29,079
Oh you're good. Yeah. Like
I like this episode better than like

1637
01:59:29,199 --> 01:59:31,319
something like for a song that was
very much about you know, all this

1638
01:59:31,319 --> 01:59:34,800
stuff online and things like that.
Like, I like it that technology doesn't

1639
01:59:34,840 --> 01:59:39,319
have much to do with it and
it's just basic the drama of you know,

1640
01:59:39,439 --> 01:59:43,079
who's gonna be homecoming king and yearbook
stuff and things like that. Like

1641
01:59:43,239 --> 01:59:45,079
it felt like a normal episode,
normal sense of life episode, kind of

1642
01:59:45,119 --> 01:59:50,640
that kind of thing. Yeah,
And I think probably they know, like

1643
01:59:50,680 --> 01:59:54,119
you said, like how it seems
to be a favorite pitch now. I

1644
01:59:54,159 --> 01:59:56,840
think because you know, back in
the day, like you know, fifteen

1645
01:59:56,960 --> 01:59:59,399
twenty years ago, whatever, we
didn't have the Internet like we have now,

1646
01:59:59,439 --> 02:00:02,199
and people are so so you know, Instagram pages, discord servers and

1647
02:00:02,199 --> 02:00:05,199
all this sudden on Facebook and things
like that. Like, I think some

1648
02:00:05,239 --> 02:00:08,359
of this, some of these stories, if we looked at it more in

1649
02:00:08,399 --> 02:00:11,239
a vacuum outside of oh yeah,
we see al LEAs post about oh how

1650
02:00:11,239 --> 02:00:13,960
I eventually I love this character or
they're shipping this character with this character and

1651
02:00:13,960 --> 02:00:15,279
that kind of stuff, I don't
think we would probably have that mentality as

1652
02:00:15,359 --> 02:00:17,960
much. But since we see so
much of that as like, oh can

1653
02:00:18,000 --> 02:00:23,600
we please not have this where if
it was just relegated just to the episodes

1654
02:00:23,640 --> 02:00:26,640
and just our thoughts around those episodes
specifically, and not the fan chatter,

1655
02:00:27,039 --> 02:00:30,640
I think you and other people probably
would have a little bit different opinion of

1656
02:00:30,680 --> 02:00:33,159
it. Well yeah, and it's
not yeah, it's and it's maybe not

1657
02:00:33,239 --> 02:00:36,439
so much of the episode itself.
It's it is the fandom. It's the

1658
02:00:36,640 --> 02:00:44,359
it's the how deeply they care about
this character, being with that character and

1659
02:00:44,520 --> 02:00:46,800
coming up with these cute ye nicknames
and stuff. It's just like I don't

1660
02:00:46,920 --> 02:00:53,680
understand it at all. Uh,
And that's not actually and it's some people,

1661
02:00:53,760 --> 02:00:57,399
some people, some of the fans
are actually using Jeweliver, and some

1662
02:00:57,399 --> 02:01:00,000
people are predicts of these buckles instead
of that, because I think, like,

1663
02:01:00,159 --> 02:01:02,520
uh, I think Juliver might have
been like a little more common than

1664
02:01:02,560 --> 02:01:06,560
buckles. So I guess they just
chose I guess Kathy by Cannon. You

1665
02:01:06,640 --> 02:01:10,920
know, she's the one that has
to break everybody's hearts and put everything through

1666
02:01:10,920 --> 02:01:15,000
all this romantic drama. Yeah,
that's that's that's Kathy. I love you,

1667
02:01:15,079 --> 02:01:19,880
Kathy. You write great stuff.
And I know, I know I'll

1668
02:01:19,880 --> 02:01:24,479
get off this after this. But
I know this is not a new thing,

1669
02:01:24,680 --> 02:01:27,319
I mean necessarily, I mean it's
not It's been going on for a

1670
02:01:27,319 --> 02:01:30,840
while. I mean in the entertainment
world, you know. I mean,

1671
02:01:30,880 --> 02:01:34,279
I don't even remember how long ago
it was when I first heard Branjelina,

1672
02:01:34,399 --> 02:01:38,479
you know, by somebody mentioning that, and I don't even remember where I

1673
02:01:38,520 --> 02:01:43,239
heard it. But so I know
this is not a thing unique to the

1674
02:01:43,279 --> 02:01:45,520
Odyssey fandom. This is a thing
that happens in culture. But yeah,

1675
02:01:45,560 --> 02:01:49,239
It's just something that I don't understand. But I do like the whole the

1676
02:01:49,640 --> 02:01:54,800
whole running gag about boy space friend
versus boyfriend. I think that's kind of

1677
02:01:54,840 --> 02:01:57,560
funny. This is not the first
time we've heard that, and it was

1678
02:01:57,600 --> 02:02:00,560
mentioned a couple of times in this
episode, so that's kind of fun.

1679
02:02:01,680 --> 02:02:06,319
Yeah, it's interesting this episode.
After the theme plays, it goes right

1680
02:02:06,319 --> 02:02:09,920
into the music. We don't always
get that. Sometimes we get, you

1681
02:02:10,000 --> 02:02:11,640
know, just the fade out of
the Odyssey theme and it's right into the

1682
02:02:11,680 --> 02:02:15,600
episode. But this had like almost
right away you have the episode music kind

1683
02:02:15,600 --> 02:02:18,159
of playing, and every episode has
that. But I really liked you know,

1684
02:02:18,239 --> 02:02:23,800
Cooper and Bucks repertoire and their conversation
like he's trying to help him,

1685
02:02:23,840 --> 02:02:26,880
but he was also teasing him at
the same time. And when they're all

1686
02:02:26,880 --> 02:02:30,359
imitating jewels, like putting their voices
higher. Ohough, that was hilarious.

1687
02:02:30,760 --> 02:02:35,560
Yes, that was fun. And
speaking of funny things, jewels to Connie

1688
02:02:35,600 --> 02:02:42,239
saying you get your fashion advice for
magazines at the dentist office. Yeah.

1689
02:02:43,039 --> 02:02:47,159
But my favorite thing about this whole
episode was Ryan Cummings is back. I

1690
02:02:47,199 --> 02:02:53,000
am so so happy he's back.
I really like Ryan's character. We haven't

1691
02:02:53,039 --> 02:02:57,760
heard him since Unfair Game and one
of the early Club seasons I think it

1692
02:02:57,880 --> 02:03:01,000
was, And I was so happy
to hear him in this episode. And

1693
02:03:01,520 --> 02:03:06,760
I was having a conversation with a
friend of mine about the character and he

1694
02:03:06,800 --> 02:03:11,000
brought something out about how much he
likes I think he either is his favorite

1695
02:03:11,039 --> 02:03:15,479
character, like kid character like in
modern day odysty like you that's a broad

1696
02:03:15,680 --> 02:03:19,520
term there modern, but is that
Ryan, of any of the kid characters,

1697
02:03:19,640 --> 02:03:25,279
is just a normal kid where you
know, you have like brandy kids

1698
02:03:25,279 --> 02:03:30,399
like Nelson or mister so offers like
Emily. Ryan is kind of like the

1699
02:03:30,439 --> 02:03:33,479
Sam Johnson or Isaac Morton, Like
he's just a kid. He doesn't have

1700
02:03:33,520 --> 02:03:39,640
this this you know, certain tick
or this certain character followers like that or

1701
02:03:40,000 --> 02:03:44,479
like I think he's just a normal
kid and he's relatable and he's again like

1702
02:03:44,560 --> 02:03:46,840
it's a normal kid. And in
this episode now he's you know, very

1703
02:03:46,960 --> 02:03:51,600
like even before except for that you
know scandal with kids Burl like he's an

1704
02:03:51,680 --> 02:03:55,840
upstanding guy like well he I guess, and you're too kind. He did

1705
02:03:55,840 --> 02:04:00,000
that thing to Brad with the video
thing. But overall Ryan is really nice

1706
02:04:00,159 --> 02:04:03,479
guy. I love Adam Miley's voice. I love hearing him in Lesser's Detectives,

1707
02:04:03,680 --> 02:04:05,720
so I'm really happy he was in
this episode, and I was really

1708
02:04:05,760 --> 02:04:10,560
happy to hear him in Alibis an
episode after this, and I think I'm

1709
02:04:10,600 --> 02:04:13,079
not mistakeing. I think they're talking
about him been in more episodes in the

1710
02:04:13,079 --> 02:04:15,920
future, so I'm all for that. Yeah, he's great and it's funny

1711
02:04:15,920 --> 02:04:19,880
too, because I mean, only
an audio drama nerd like me would would

1712
02:04:20,159 --> 02:04:25,760
even think about something like this.
But so he's in an episode here where

1713
02:04:25,800 --> 02:04:31,119
he's playing a kid who is the
homecoming King here, therefore the episode title.

1714
02:04:31,800 --> 02:04:36,439
But he also was the voice of
Prince Hubert in Sir Malcolm and the

1715
02:04:36,479 --> 02:04:43,680
Missing Prince. So ah, some
royalty theme going on there. Uh huh.

1716
02:04:43,760 --> 02:04:45,479
Yeah, that's from Lamplighter Theater in
case you don't know. If you

1717
02:04:45,520 --> 02:04:47,720
haven't heard that, you need to
go listen to it. It is fantastic.

1718
02:04:48,279 --> 02:04:54,520
Yeah, there's other Odyssey actors in
that, hopefully h Jess Ornell and

1719
02:04:55,880 --> 02:04:59,079
I'm blanking on the guy that plays
Barrett. He's in that one. But

1720
02:04:59,159 --> 02:05:02,600
yeah, I like how this episode. It's it's so funny, like the

1721
02:05:02,640 --> 02:05:08,039
comedy of errors kind of thing,
like it wouldn't be as fun if you

1722
02:05:08,079 --> 02:05:11,560
know someone like I know she wouldn't
go out with Jay, but someone like

1723
02:05:11,640 --> 02:05:15,239
Jay or someone that's not that good
of a character, like any kind of

1724
02:05:15,800 --> 02:05:17,680
not necessarily mean or whatever. But
like Ryan is such a good guy,

1725
02:05:17,840 --> 02:05:23,520
Like you can't hate him for doing
this, Like you can't dislike him,

1726
02:05:23,560 --> 02:05:25,600
Like he's a really good guy.
And it's like that's what makes it so

1727
02:05:25,640 --> 02:05:29,439
difficult. And then like and it's
also not like the traditional trope is like,

1728
02:05:29,479 --> 02:05:31,159
oh he's doing this, I'm going
to go out of my way to

1729
02:05:31,199 --> 02:05:33,760
make things miserable, try to break
them up. Buck's not doing that.

1730
02:05:33,800 --> 02:05:39,920
He's just accidentally doing these things innocently, but still you know, trying to

1731
02:05:40,000 --> 02:05:45,640
kill Ryan, and but it's all
on accident. Yeah, it is quite

1732
02:05:45,640 --> 02:05:48,640
a quite a good one. Now
here's a question. You may know this

1733
02:05:48,720 --> 02:05:53,000
or you may not. Who was
the voice of Sam. He's only has

1734
02:05:53,039 --> 02:05:57,520
like three lines there in the in
the gym, the kid that Buck spoke

1735
02:05:57,560 --> 02:06:00,680
to. He didn't sound like a
professional actor, And I'm like, I

1736
02:06:00,159 --> 02:06:04,680
don't know who he is, and
he's not mentioned in the credits. Yeah,

1737
02:06:04,680 --> 02:06:08,119
it's probably one of these people that
the pull from, like Focus or

1738
02:06:08,199 --> 02:06:12,119
a visitor or something like that,
or like because I sometimes they had like

1739
02:06:12,119 --> 02:06:15,319
the getting the show people like I
know, some people like the the nominees,

1740
02:06:15,439 --> 02:06:18,720
like the runners up or whatever,
I'm gonna play some extra roles and

1741
02:06:19,399 --> 02:06:21,960
so it's probably just you know,
I mean maybe a kid of one of

1742
02:06:23,000 --> 02:06:25,680
the workers there at Focus or something
like that. But yeah, that he

1743
02:06:26,000 --> 02:06:30,399
had some pretty funny lines and some
pretty funny lines directed at him. And

1744
02:06:30,000 --> 02:06:35,800
Buck's lines about Ryan at the bonfire
there that he's griping about him to to

1745
02:06:36,039 --> 02:06:42,159
uh Cooper, those were really funny, like he was like overinflating like his

1746
02:06:42,159 --> 02:06:45,760
his personality or something like that,
like he's just all that and everything.

1747
02:06:45,399 --> 02:06:50,800
Donated thought that he donated his kidney
to five people, this great stuff.

1748
02:06:51,479 --> 02:06:59,520
And then Ryan when he's talking to
his phone, he says instead of saying

1749
02:07:00,039 --> 02:07:03,000
you know, like hey Google or
Siri or whatever, he says phone assistant,

1750
02:07:04,319 --> 02:07:10,039
like yeah, how how non Yeah, we just had the episode about

1751
02:07:10,079 --> 02:07:14,680
copyright infringement, so and dre Mark
so like yeah, we're definitely not going

1752
02:07:14,720 --> 02:07:17,840
to day anything here. We're gonna
be generic. Yeah, boys, and

1753
02:07:17,880 --> 02:07:27,199
mary ai Yah was funny. It's
being a characters we haven't heard from in

1754
02:07:27,199 --> 02:07:30,840
a while, well not as long
as Ryan. But I was really happy

1755
02:07:30,880 --> 02:07:33,359
to hear Katrina in this episode,
which it makes sense because we don't have

1756
02:07:33,399 --> 02:07:41,239
Eugene around to be involved in it. It was nice hearing Katrina being in

1757
02:07:41,239 --> 02:07:43,520
a more printal mode, which we
hear a lot of. We've heard a

1758
02:07:43,520 --> 02:07:46,199
lot of episodes of Eugene and Buck, but not so much Katrina and Buck.

1759
02:07:46,439 --> 02:07:50,000
So it's nice seeing that dynamic with
just her and also her with Connie,

1760
02:07:50,039 --> 02:07:53,720
which you don't hear their friends,
but they don't hang out that much

1761
02:07:53,760 --> 02:07:58,399
together. Mm hmmm, yeah,
yeah, and she was really great with

1762
02:07:58,520 --> 02:08:01,840
him in those scenes. I mean, there aren't that many, but it

1763
02:08:01,880 --> 02:08:05,119
was. It was really nice.
And speaking of parental mode, we have

1764
02:08:05,479 --> 02:08:09,720
Connie kind of going a little bit
well being Connie, you know, overthinking

1765
02:08:09,800 --> 02:08:13,520
things, and but she had a
valid point. It's like, yeah,

1766
02:08:13,560 --> 02:08:18,720
okay, you know she's Jules is
not a Christian yet Ryan is a Christian.

1767
02:08:20,520 --> 02:08:24,239
No, I don't want her dating
non Christians. But he's a Christian.

1768
02:08:24,279 --> 02:08:26,319
But why is he wanting to date
a non Christian? And you know

1769
02:08:26,399 --> 02:08:30,960
the whole conundrum there, And they
sort of played it off as as humor,

1770
02:08:31,439 --> 02:08:33,840
but I thought Hey, I can
totally see where she's coming from there

1771
02:08:35,479 --> 02:08:39,199
for sure. Yeah, like Katrina
is more like the new almost neutral space

1772
02:08:39,319 --> 02:08:43,239
like she has I know, even
if with I think future episodes of some

1773
02:08:43,279 --> 02:08:46,800
earlier episodes, like Katrina seems to
be of the parenting type. She's a

1774
02:08:46,840 --> 02:08:50,840
little bit more on the I don't
know what you'd call it, less helicopter,

1775
02:08:50,960 --> 02:08:54,680
I guess to a certain extent with
those kind of things like yeah,

1776
02:08:54,760 --> 02:08:58,560
like I kind of had very good
points and I'm not quite certain why.

1777
02:08:58,840 --> 02:09:03,279
I know, some laughs with there, like the yoke thing was a little

1778
02:09:03,319 --> 02:09:09,439
bit funny, but they're valid things. But I think even Katrina kind of

1779
02:09:09,439 --> 02:09:11,640
brush them off, like it's not
like more she was like trying to get

1780
02:09:11,640 --> 02:09:15,479
more out of her like explain her
feelings to a certain extent, but it's

1781
02:09:15,840 --> 02:09:18,039
it is a valid thing and the
same thing too, which I'm glad they

1782
02:09:18,119 --> 02:09:24,720
addressed it because we have Buck and
Jewels, both non Christians and teenagers.

1783
02:09:24,399 --> 02:09:28,840
Like they're not gonna be role models, and hopefully they're not role models to

1784
02:09:28,880 --> 02:09:31,560
any kids, but they are a
very popular character, especially with a lot

1785
02:09:31,560 --> 02:09:35,359
of the younger audience, and I'm
glad that. And then the Steps of

1786
02:09:35,439 --> 02:09:39,680
the kind of addressed it to a
certain extent, which as a story it

1787
02:09:39,760 --> 02:09:41,960
works, but then also like,
hey, we need to have good role

1788
02:09:43,000 --> 02:09:45,960
models here, Like I know they're
not role models, they're the characters for

1789
02:09:46,000 --> 02:09:52,359
that, but we need to have
something pretty soon or one diverges to like

1790
02:09:52,640 --> 02:09:56,239
I'm seeing prayer Eugene Katrina situation here
and I don't bet, but my money

1791
02:09:56,239 --> 02:09:58,600
would be on be on Buck if
any of them getting said, I think

1792
02:09:58,600 --> 02:10:03,399
that would be the person to be
kind of reversal with, like Eugene Katrina,

1793
02:10:03,439 --> 02:10:09,119
where Katrina became a Chrichtan first and
then Eugene. So I'm if any

1794
02:10:09,119 --> 02:10:13,680
of them get saved, I think
book, But that's just speculation. Yeah,

1795
02:10:13,720 --> 02:10:16,520
I could see that that makes sense. He does seem to be the

1796
02:10:16,520 --> 02:10:20,319
one that's a little more tender towards
those those types of things, and it's

1797
02:10:20,880 --> 02:10:24,880
it's probably due to his past in
a lot of ways, though neither one

1798
02:10:24,920 --> 02:10:28,880
of them have had great past,
you know, family relationships, so they've

1799
02:10:28,920 --> 02:10:33,319
they've both had some struggles in terms
of familial relationships and so yeah, they

1800
02:10:33,680 --> 02:10:41,279
have some similarities there. But speaking
of parallels between Eugene and Katrina and Buck

1801
02:10:41,319 --> 02:10:46,079
and Jewels, now I don't know
if I'm just completely misremembering here, but

1802
02:10:46,239 --> 02:10:50,319
this that whole scene where they say
each other's name at the same time and

1803
02:10:50,319 --> 02:10:54,560
then say, oh, go ahead. What did that not happen to Eugene

1804
02:10:54,600 --> 02:10:58,239
and Katrina at some point in the
past when they were going through their relationship

1805
02:10:58,399 --> 02:11:01,600
issues. I have a memory of
that happening at some point, but I

1806
02:11:01,640 --> 02:11:05,520
cannot remember which episode. I'm not
sure about Eugenie Katri, but I know

1807
02:11:05,560 --> 02:11:09,159
Connie and Mitch did that, and
I think like one of the Novicom episodes,

1808
02:11:11,359 --> 02:11:13,760
it's like, so do you go
ahead? Remember them both saying saying

1809
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that at one point. I have
a distinct memory of them saying Eugene Katrina

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at the same time. But maybe
it's totally something that I just made up.

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But if it is true, I
would totally believe it that Kathy did

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that intentionally because she likes those kinds
of things, and to do a callback

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and make it a sort of parallel, now, that would be something that

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she would do. I think.
So I don't know, let us know

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in the comments or send in an
email or whatever. Let us know if

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you remember a moment like that or
between any other characters that I might be

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thinking of. I do remember the
moment you're talking about with Mitch, with

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Mitch and Connie, but that wasn't
what I was thinking of, But again,

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could be totally conflating things. Well, going along with that, it

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was it was a cool callback offter
like talking about, you know, dating

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history. It is so funny,
like, yeah, we're dating for like

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one hundred years, which is kind
of like of like they're such a long

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relationship. That kind of stuff.
That was really funny. And also this

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episode is kind of a little bit
of a parallel of naturally I assumed,

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where like Eugene was giving candy and
flowers and it was totally not the right

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thing to do, like Katrium is
logic and chocolate and alergies and things like

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that with this, you know,
don't give her flowers, don't give her

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this whatever, like get her cookies
instead and play her favorite band Angry Sandwich

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is. Yeah, that's the callback. I think I can't remember which was

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it. Maybe I can't remember which
I know that's been mentioned before in the

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past, but it was kind of
cool here in that Oh yeah, gowers

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flowers. That's another callback there from
a to h Mister of the Clock tower

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and just also those things too in
the final scene with calling off the different

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events like learning how to dry,
you know, him flying out to California

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02:13:01,479 --> 02:13:05,319
and being kidnapped and things like that. Yeah, there's a lot of little

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callbacks for people listening to Odyssey for
a long like since the beginning, and

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also those that you know in the
past ten years or so. Yeah.

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Yeah, well, I gotta say
I ended up liking this one quite a

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bit more than I thought I would. Yeah, it's a pretty solid episode.

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I don't think I have any anything
further to add, any final thoughts

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from you, Austin on King of
My Heart. I think most people were

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probably thinking at pros. One of
those people of this is probably the episode

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they finally get together officially, and
it was kind of a sweet moment there,

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02:13:39,199 --> 02:13:41,039
Like, I'm still not totally on
board with you know, both being

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non Christians and then being so prominent
in the show and dating. But again

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02:13:46,119 --> 02:13:50,000
they can show like what happens while
you shouldn't date non Christians, why both

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02:13:50,039 --> 02:13:52,399
people in the relationship should be Christians
before you start dating things like that.

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So I think there is some good
things happening there that can happen. King

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of my heart. I love the
title, like that flip of again,

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people thought that was gonna be a
Livy episode and you know, Homecome King

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02:14:03,439 --> 02:14:07,640
and the heart issues anything like that. I know what the rep with Chris

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02:14:07,760 --> 02:14:11,039
saying like so many people rooting for
it, like the fans are, but

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02:14:11,079 --> 02:14:15,319
I don't think people in their lives
and actually Odyssey are rooting for it.

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02:14:16,640 --> 02:14:18,399
Was like, yeah, I don't
think that's the thing. Like I'm sure

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02:14:18,439 --> 02:14:22,800
you Genia Katrin aren't great with that, and Connie certainly isn't. It's like,

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02:14:24,000 --> 02:14:26,920
yeah, this one was like the
wrap up especially was very playing to

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02:14:26,960 --> 02:14:31,880
the fans, but the story itself
I think was good. Like for me,

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02:14:31,079 --> 02:14:35,479
I wasn't mad. I wasn't disappointed
that they finally did get together.

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02:14:35,560 --> 02:14:37,840
Like story wise, it was a
natural progression. It was bound to happen.

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02:14:39,560 --> 02:14:41,840
Whether that, you know, contains
on how much far into the future

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we'll have to see. But it
was a very fun episode. There were

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some very comedic moments or some sweet
moments in it, several callbacks older episodes,

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so I had a lot of fun
with it. Yeah, yeah,

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I would agree with that assessment.
Well, man, I knew that we

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were going to enjoy talking about these
episodes. But I expected to go this

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long, But yeah, I think
we did it longer than we did for

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obstety two. I think, I
think so, I think so. This

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02:15:07,640 --> 02:15:13,560
might be one of the longest AIO
reviews of a six episode album ever.

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Yeah, it's about as long as
the whole rud title of the episode of

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02:15:18,319 --> 02:15:22,600
the whole album. Oh my goodness. But it's fun. Always a joy

1871
02:15:22,640 --> 02:15:28,640
having you on the show talking about
audio drama in general, regardless of whatever

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02:15:28,680 --> 02:15:31,880
show it is. But yeah,
thank you so much for coming on the

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02:15:31,880 --> 02:15:37,479
show talking about AIO and definitely have
links in the show notes to Heart Matters

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02:15:39,000 --> 02:15:43,640
and that particular episode of ATC talking
about Heart Matters, but also links to

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02:15:43,760 --> 02:15:46,159
this album. If you haven't got
a copy and you want to get a

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02:15:46,159 --> 02:15:50,279
copy, of course, yes,
you can just stream it on the club.

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02:15:50,039 --> 02:15:54,119
But you don't own that. You
don't own that, you're just renting

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02:15:54,159 --> 02:15:58,239
access to it. So if you're
if you're a true fan, no,

1879
02:15:58,279 --> 02:16:01,520
I can't say that. We go
for another hour here talking about that.

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Well, thank you again, Austin, appreciate it very much. Well,

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I appreciate you having me back.
I love getting to talk with you about

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anything and talk about Odyssey with someone
else and you both has been long time

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02:16:16,239 --> 02:16:20,119
listeners to Odyssey and all the references
something like that. It's it's such a

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02:16:20,199 --> 02:16:22,920
joy to be able to talk about
Odyssey with fans, and getting to talk

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02:16:22,920 --> 02:16:26,720
about it on ATC is always a
blessing and I really appreciate it. Thank

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02:16:26,760 --> 02:16:30,840
you so much. Oh you bad? Oh yes, and there's also a

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02:16:30,880 --> 02:16:33,559
link to Odyssey geek. You need
to check out that podcast too. No,

1888
02:16:33,879 --> 02:16:37,159
thank you appreciate that. So what
are you think of the show?

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Please leave your message after the showing. Hi, Audi Central, Hey guys,

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this is awesome. Hell about j
D Royan Andrew Minum is Victoria Now.

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Yesterday I received a letter from a
big fan. No time to try.

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I've got an emails another package for
me today. No, it's actually

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just your mail. Well, if
you would like to get in touch with

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us, there are numerous ways to
do that. You can always email us,

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02:17:07,200 --> 02:17:09,680
feedback at Audio Theatercentral dot com,
comment on the show notes, love

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02:17:09,719 --> 02:17:13,920
to hear from me there and like
to interact whenever we can, or you

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can always send a voicemail. Send
a voicemail, no, you call in

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a leaf a voicemail and you can
send a text to six two three six

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eight eight two seven seven zero.
That number is always open twenty four to

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seven six three six eight eight two
seven seven zero. Well, I just

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wanted to highlight a comment that we
received from Mark Henry Cooney regarding episode one

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ninety seven, our review of the
Lamb from Witnesses. In case you don't

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know or you forgot, Mark Henry
Cooney is the actor who plays Jesus in

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02:17:48,520 --> 02:17:52,920
Witnesses, but he sent in some
feedback and said, phenomenal episode. JD

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02:17:52,000 --> 02:17:56,120
and Christopher, you guys shared some
great insights that helped me appreciate the Witnesses

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episodes all the more. I wholeheartedly
join you in recognizing the god given gifts

1907
02:18:01,959 --> 02:18:05,799
and talents that Tracy Van Dolder brings
to each and every episode. I'm just

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02:18:05,879 --> 02:18:09,200
blown away every time I hear a
new episode. Each one sounds like a

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02:18:09,200 --> 02:18:15,079
big budget audio production. It's truly
amazing. Thank you Audio Theater Central team

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for helping Witnesses gain more exposure.
The ATC podcast's faithful work in sharing great

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content with its listeners has helped me
personally in discovering some amazing audio dramas.

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I'm extremely grateful for the hard work
ATC puts into each and every episode.

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Many thanks and God bless you guys. Thank you Mark. That comment was

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was so uplifting to me. I
deeply appreciated that, and it is my

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pleasure to bring information about good quality
audio drama. You know, I'm pretty

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02:18:48,719 --> 02:18:52,520
sure I've said this before, but
if you don't know, I don't take

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the time promoting audio dramas that I
don't think are worth your time. I

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value your time. That's why I
try my best to not waste your time

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while you're listening to our episodes.
But also I don't want to recommend something

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that I don't think is worth a
listen. Now, on occasion over the

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years, there may have been something
mentioned in a news segment where we haven't

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heard the production yet, and it's
just something we heard about that we think

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might be worth your looking into.
But generally speaking, even the shows that

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we mentioned in our updates are things
that we have either already heard or know

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enough about that we think are safe
to say it's going to be worth your

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time. Not every single instance,
but generally speaking that is the case,

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and certainly with any review on the
podcast or on the website, we're not

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going to post a review if we
don't think it's worth your time. Now

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we're going to critique and we're going
to go into the details and share what

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we thought worked and what we thought
might have been improved. But at the

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end of the day, these are
shows that we think are worth your time.

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So anyway, a little bit of
a side trail there, but thank

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you again Mark for the comment feedback. Really really appreciate it well. The

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song at the top of the review
segment was Ride of Life by for Him

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from their nineteen ninety four album titled
The Ride. If you would like to

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get in touch with us, head
over to audio Theatercentral dot com slash Contact.

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All of the ways are mentioned there, and again we'd love to hear

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from you an audio clip to include
in episode two hundred. There will be

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02:20:24,920 --> 02:20:28,680
no text feedback included in that episode. I want to hear your voices,

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so be sure to send that in. And of course, the show notes

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02:20:31,760 --> 02:20:35,840
for this episode with links to everything
we talked about is at audio Theatercentral dot

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02:20:35,879 --> 02:20:41,360
com slash one ninety eight, including
the news items, the review production,

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and of course the links to Heart
Matters and everything that Austin is working on

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these days. Well, I hope
you enjoyed this episode. It was a

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lot of fun for me to put
this together, and I hope you'll join

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me in the next one and the
next one. Keep listening to great audio

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drama. I'll see you next time. Thank you for listening. Audio Theater

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