WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:08.640 It's time for coffee and company, fueled by Thornton's on Sports Talk seven nine 2 00:00:08.720 --> 00:00:11.599 day, Holy crap, I don't know who the hell we think when we 3 00:00:11.679 --> 00:00:15.919 are get off our show, idiot, the kids are crying or turn off. 4 00:00:16.280 --> 00:00:19.160 The countries are screwing it up. Gold Play Inner Murals, Brother, 5 00:00:19.359 --> 00:00:23.879 gold Play Inner Murals. They're supposed to be mature adults, but they're really 6 00:00:23.920 --> 00:00:28.359 not. Who's the kid here? Who's the kid here? Are you kidding 7 00:00:28.359 --> 00:00:44.119 me? Now? Here's Nick Coffee? All right, let's get it started. 8 00:00:44.159 --> 00:00:48.280 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome in. I hope you're having a nice Tuesday 9 00:00:48.320 --> 00:00:51.640 afternoon coffee and company. That is us. My name's Nick Coffee, the 10 00:00:51.640 --> 00:00:55.320 company man. Mister John all on alongside today as we take you up till 11 00:00:55.359 --> 00:00:58.359 six o'clock. And John, I think today maybe one of those days where 12 00:00:59.439 --> 00:01:03.240 it looks a lot different outside when we leave than it did when we arrived. 13 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:06.879 Are you tracking Hurricane Beryl? Is that what they're calling it? Burrel? 14 00:01:06.879 --> 00:01:10.120 Barrel? Yeah? I don't know how it's pronounced officially, but I 15 00:01:10.239 --> 00:01:14.120 believe that as if you were tracking a hurricane, which I know you're not. 16 00:01:14.159 --> 00:01:17.439 Jim, I know you're not doing that, but you know it's I'm 17 00:01:17.480 --> 00:01:22.040 aware that the storm that was once a hurricane is moving through here at some 18 00:01:22.120 --> 00:01:26.040 point today. Yeah, and it's just gonna be I guess, remnants of 19 00:01:26.400 --> 00:01:30.239 you know, the actual hurricane itself. And usually you know, we can 20 00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:34.719 get hit with you know, some severe thunderstorms, high winds, that kind 21 00:01:34.760 --> 00:01:38.120 of stuff. And my wife and I before I left to head in here, 22 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:41.400 just a couple of hours ago, she came home from work on her 23 00:01:41.480 --> 00:01:46.319 lunch and we we strapped down the trampoline. Smart movie. That's how you 24 00:01:46.359 --> 00:01:49.439 know, that's how worried she is, which I always felt like, you 25 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:53.200 know, everybody, there's so many people that have a trampoline. If it 26 00:01:53.280 --> 00:01:57.079 was that big of a deal, then like you'd see trampolines flying all over 27 00:01:57.120 --> 00:02:00.400 neighborhoods, you know, going into people's houses, is damaging vehicles. I'm 28 00:02:00.400 --> 00:02:04.560 thinking it's not that big a deal. But when we had those random I 29 00:02:04.599 --> 00:02:08.800 felt like unexpected storms that Sunday afternoon about a month ago, or we watched 30 00:02:08.800 --> 00:02:13.080 our trampoline just com you know, lift up like it was a leaf and 31 00:02:13.159 --> 00:02:15.360 just fly. I mean, without knowing where it landed. I assumed that 32 00:02:15.439 --> 00:02:19.680 it did go through somebody's home. So we are we are prepared. But 33 00:02:19.800 --> 00:02:23.680 yeah, so I guess as of now where we are downtown Louisville. I 34 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:25.520 mean I just looked outside ten minutes ago, so I don't think anything crazy 35 00:02:25.560 --> 00:02:30.360 has happened since then. But I guess probably around the time we leave and 36 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:32.319 then late into the evening, it's going to be pretty pretty nasty out. 37 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:35.879 And I could be wrong, but I do believe the worst of it is 38 00:02:35.919 --> 00:02:38.879 supposed to be north of US. Okay, that makes me feel a little 39 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:42.280 bit better. And when you look at the so when you say US, 40 00:02:42.319 --> 00:02:44.960 I'm glad you brought that up. Like when you say US, I think 41 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:50.199 of I mean I think of the Louisville metro area, right yeah, And 42 00:02:50.240 --> 00:02:53.120 I also I include Bullet County considering, yeah, where, And I feel 43 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:57.199 like it's close enough to where for the most part, you know, I 44 00:02:57.240 --> 00:02:59.960 mean, heck, there's parts of Bullet County that you know the address is. 45 00:03:00.879 --> 00:03:02.280 But every now and then I think to myself, you know, when 46 00:03:02.319 --> 00:03:07.000 you're seeing, hey, your local news station is really going all in on 47 00:03:07.039 --> 00:03:12.159 some coverage to let everybody know. I mean, you could be a mile 48 00:03:12.240 --> 00:03:15.919 two miles away from somebody and the weather be a lot different like that. 49 00:03:15.479 --> 00:03:19.800 That sounds crazy, but like it works like that sometimes, so yeah, 50 00:03:20.039 --> 00:03:23.240 it does. Look here on this map from our partners over at WLKY that 51 00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:25.639 the severity is is a little bit north of us, but three pm to 52 00:03:25.680 --> 00:03:32.800 midnight is the main threat isolated tornadoes, possible strong wind gusts. So you 53 00:03:32.800 --> 00:03:38.840 know, everybody, everybody be safe out there. I I hate weather like 54 00:03:38.919 --> 00:03:42.439 this just because it's scary, right, you know, But at the same 55 00:03:42.439 --> 00:03:44.960 point in time, you know, the worst part of it for me is 56 00:03:45.039 --> 00:03:47.000 before it rains and after it rains, because it's so humid outside, Like 57 00:03:47.080 --> 00:03:50.400 it's just I'm even think it's that hot out today. It's just sticky. 58 00:03:50.840 --> 00:03:53.520 It's just gross, and I hate it. And I'm so ready for the 59 00:03:53.560 --> 00:03:58.560 summer to be over and we're not even midway through the season that is summer. 60 00:03:58.680 --> 00:04:00.840 Yeah, And I can you know, I can live with it being 61 00:04:01.639 --> 00:04:08.560 brutal outside as far as heat and humidity if I'm distracted by things going on 62 00:04:08.639 --> 00:04:12.240 that I'm really like, you know, interested in. But I was just 63 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:16.399 bitching to John right before the show started today, how you know, this 64 00:04:16.439 --> 00:04:20.680 is the worst time of the year for me when it comes to things that 65 00:04:20.720 --> 00:04:24.199 I enjoy and it's really not I mean, most of it is sports, 66 00:04:24.199 --> 00:04:27.399 I suppose, but like I'm bored lately, man, Like I'm trying to 67 00:04:27.399 --> 00:04:30.279 stay you know, I have a routine, but it's you know, things 68 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:33.240 that really interest me as far as you know, the new cycle in sports, 69 00:04:33.279 --> 00:04:35.079 Like this is the slowest time of the year. I mean, I 70 00:04:35.120 --> 00:04:39.480 watched the Summer League last night. That was you know, that was something. 71 00:04:40.319 --> 00:04:43.519 I mean that just feels where I'm at. Everything that's going on sports 72 00:04:43.560 --> 00:04:46.600 wise this time of year is just holdover. It's for people who are just 73 00:04:46.680 --> 00:04:50.040 feeling so bad for what they really love, like us with college football and 74 00:04:50.079 --> 00:04:55.399 college basketball in the NFL that if we just can't stand it, all you 75 00:04:55.519 --> 00:04:59.079 got is soccer baseball, a little bit of Summer League, and that's all 76 00:04:59.079 --> 00:05:01.519 you can really take right now. And the Summer League is never really a 77 00:05:01.600 --> 00:05:06.959 great a great talking point I think for talk radio, but it can be 78 00:05:08.120 --> 00:05:12.480 here and there if there's like players of local interest, and I'm sure when 79 00:05:12.519 --> 00:05:16.399 Reed Shepherd and and Rob Dillingham are playing in the Summer League, the actual 80 00:05:16.480 --> 00:05:19.759 Vegas Summer League, like there'll be something there. But this is believed to 81 00:05:19.759 --> 00:05:24.319 be one of the weakest drafts in the history of the NBA. And you 82 00:05:24.360 --> 00:05:26.800 know, Zach Edy played last night and that was interesting. I thought, 83 00:05:26.879 --> 00:05:29.360 you know, I still think he's got a good chance to have a solid, 84 00:05:29.600 --> 00:05:32.360 long NBA career, and last night after watching him again, it's the 85 00:05:32.360 --> 00:05:34.680 summer League. There's not much you can take from it. But I mean, 86 00:05:34.720 --> 00:05:38.160 even even at times when you had Louisville players playing in it, and 87 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:40.279 you know, we're trying to see if they could, you know, potentially 88 00:05:41.560 --> 00:05:44.879 gain some momentum in their pro career or land an NBA contract, but there's 89 00:05:44.879 --> 00:05:48.920 like nobody. So yeah, I just I'm I'm ready for football season to 90 00:05:48.920 --> 00:05:51.279 get here in a major way. And I feel like yesterday we did talk 91 00:05:51.279 --> 00:05:54.920 a lot of louisvill football because we had a Jeff Brown press conference, but 92 00:05:54.920 --> 00:05:57.120 I feel like I emptied the bag a little bit too early. Like that 93 00:05:57.279 --> 00:06:00.839 was not to say we can't continue to discuss, but it's just now we 94 00:06:00.879 --> 00:06:02.759 wait. Now we will have the TVT coming up here before too long, 95 00:06:02.800 --> 00:06:06.079 and that really will I mean, that's I'm I'm so looking forward to that. 96 00:06:06.160 --> 00:06:09.920 I was out of town the whole time that went on last year, 97 00:06:10.399 --> 00:06:13.839 so this go around, I am going to be Uh, I'm gonna be 98 00:06:13.879 --> 00:06:15.879 all in. I'm gonna go to every game. You know, I got 99 00:06:15.879 --> 00:06:19.079 a credential, But I think I'm actually gonna buy some tickets and go with 100 00:06:19.120 --> 00:06:23.319 some friends and just you know, like fan out like I did back when 101 00:06:23.360 --> 00:06:27.199 these guys played here. So they're still dominating when it comes to ticket sales. 102 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:30.439 So if you've not got ticket, chet go get them because I'm sure 103 00:06:30.439 --> 00:06:31.800 there's a lot of people out there like me that you know, maybe you 104 00:06:31.920 --> 00:06:34.600 enjoy it, maybe you're maybe you're fishing like I don't. I don't have 105 00:06:34.600 --> 00:06:36.600 a lot of hobbies. John. That's another thing. It's not just this 106 00:06:36.639 --> 00:06:40.319 show. It's not just not having any Like. There's a whole lot that 107 00:06:40.360 --> 00:06:43.519 goes into doing this, more than people would ever know. But part of 108 00:06:43.560 --> 00:06:46.879 it is like, you know, talking about things that people can relate to 109 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:51.040 and you know, human interest, right, Like everybody loves the summer, 110 00:06:51.639 --> 00:06:55.000 they go hunting, or they go not hunting. I guess you can't hunt 111 00:06:55.000 --> 00:06:56.800 this. Can you hunt the summer? I don't hunt. I don't think 112 00:06:56.800 --> 00:06:59.920 you can hunt like ducks and stuff like that. But like hunting, deer 113 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:02.399 hunting season starts like later on closer to the fall, but you know, 114 00:07:02.439 --> 00:07:04.920 people are out on the water, they're at the lake, they're fishing, 115 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:09.399 they're they're just doing outdoor stuff, enjoying the summer, and like I hate 116 00:07:09.399 --> 00:07:12.879 summer. So I just feel like I'm in like I'm in the minority here. 117 00:07:13.519 --> 00:07:16.600 But anyways, it'll be here before before too long football season, will 118 00:07:16.639 --> 00:07:19.639 I mean, we're less than two months away, which still sounds like a 119 00:07:19.639 --> 00:07:23.959 long time. But you know, do you treat media days as the unofficial 120 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:27.360 start to college football or is that just a joe? I mean, I 121 00:07:28.279 --> 00:07:30.240 because it really is kind of a joke. It's all a joke, yeah, 122 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:33.920 I mean, and it's not just it's not something that should be like 123 00:07:33.959 --> 00:07:39.920 completely ignored. But I went three or four straight years to the ACC to 124 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:45.240 one of the aces I did, I did both one year basketball and football, 125 00:07:45.279 --> 00:07:46.879 And I don't know why they don't just call it media Day in the 126 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:53.399 ACC. They call it Operation Basketball or oh yeah, or the ACC like 127 00:07:53.439 --> 00:07:56.720 football kickoff, and it's it's the media Days, but they don't call it 128 00:07:56.759 --> 00:08:01.399 that for some reason. But I've I've done it off and each time I've 129 00:08:01.439 --> 00:08:03.399 gone, I felt as if there was just there was really no I mean, 130 00:08:03.399 --> 00:08:07.240 it was a commitment to coverage at the time, and you know, 131 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:11.199 when I would do basketball. I mean I think every time I went for 132 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:15.120 basketball, I was the only person from the market there, certainly on radio, 133 00:08:15.240 --> 00:08:18.839 and I think even I think even there was I think Eric Crawford might 134 00:08:18.839 --> 00:08:22.759 have went one year as well. So you know, it's not when you 135 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:26.120 know we're not partners with u L anymore. But that and that that, 136 00:08:26.199 --> 00:08:28.680 I guess made it feel like it was worth going. But like the last 137 00:08:28.720 --> 00:08:31.039 time I went, I remember saying like, look, I think I think 138 00:08:31.080 --> 00:08:35.879 the show I'm doing here on Radio Row in Charlotte to get ready for the 139 00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:39.200 football season, I think it absolutely sucks. It's just because it was boring 140 00:08:39.799 --> 00:08:43.000 it, you know, and they give you the hey, you know, 141 00:08:43.039 --> 00:08:48.240 they they just passed these coaches around on the on different radio shows and broadcasts 142 00:08:48.240 --> 00:08:52.519 and just kind of do their their little radio hits and there. You know, 143 00:08:52.759 --> 00:08:54.600 it wasn't as if I was not interested in talking to anybody other than 144 00:08:54.600 --> 00:08:58.120 you know, Jeff Brahm or Sadderfield, who was the coach at the time. 145 00:08:58.600 --> 00:09:01.039 But like, if you bring Dino Baber's over to me and it's eight 146 00:09:01.159 --> 00:09:03.919 ten in the morning, I'm just thinking, like, yeah, I think 147 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:07.879 I'm good, you know, have a good day, Dino Baber like I 148 00:09:07.240 --> 00:09:11.600 just that's not really the way I you know, it's just not my style. 149 00:09:11.080 --> 00:09:15.759 So I actually to be honest with you, because I appreciate you, 150 00:09:15.840 --> 00:09:18.399 John, You're trying to give me something that at least, you know, 151 00:09:18.480 --> 00:09:22.240 gives us another sign that football season is approaching and all of the coaches and 152 00:09:22.279 --> 00:09:26.240 the top players in the league all gather together in one city to kind of 153 00:09:26.279 --> 00:09:30.759 like, you know, kick off the season. But it's such a tease, 154 00:09:30.799 --> 00:09:33.960 and I hate it because it's a tease. It makes you feel as 155 00:09:33.960 --> 00:09:37.720 if there's going to be really something there and rarely is there anything to really 156 00:09:37.759 --> 00:09:41.440 talk about. And it does feel like it comes a little early because once 157 00:09:41.480 --> 00:09:45.759 you do hit that media day window, those couple of weeks that they are, 158 00:09:45.879 --> 00:09:48.159 you still have another month, sometimes a month and a half until you 159 00:09:48.360 --> 00:09:54.279 your team plays, and you'll get to I don't know, a week after 160 00:09:54.519 --> 00:09:58.480 the actual event takes place. Then you'll find out what ACC media, SEC 161 00:09:58.559 --> 00:10:03.039 media voted on the order of finish in the league, first team, second 162 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:05.440 team, third team, all that kind of stuff. So, you know, 163 00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:09.039 I it's something, but it's just you know, I can't act as 164 00:10:09.039 --> 00:10:13.120 if I can really make that into like compelling, entertaining content for a radio 165 00:10:13.159 --> 00:10:16.279 show, and if others have the ability to do that, then they're far 166 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:20.200 more talented than me. I just it's it's not interesting to me. I 167 00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:26.159 will say this with everything going on in college athletics in the last few years, 168 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:33.799 I mean the portal and nil and now the House Bill Settlement that's about 169 00:10:33.799 --> 00:10:37.919 to pass, which means schools are going to be allowed but essentially going to 170 00:10:37.919 --> 00:10:43.799 be forced to pay twenty two million dollars annually throughout the entire athletic department to 171 00:10:43.840 --> 00:10:46.559 all their student athletes. Because if you don't do that, it's hard for 172 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:48.679 anybody. You're not going to want to compete. And by the way, 173 00:10:48.679 --> 00:10:50.919 there's already been some ads out there that have said exactly that, like, 174 00:10:50.960 --> 00:10:52.919 look, we're gonna we're gonna have to do it, like we want to 175 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:56.519 compete, we want to do we want to we want athletics to matter, 176 00:10:56.679 --> 00:11:00.919 and if we don't pay what everybody else is paying, then it's not going 177 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:05.799 to be possible. So you may hear a coach say something that does give 178 00:11:05.799 --> 00:11:09.320 you something to really run with. Maybe a player like that can happen every 179 00:11:09.399 --> 00:11:13.000 now and then, but you know, for the ACC, which I'm not 180 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:16.519 even sure when their media day is. I think it's coming up probably later 181 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:20.360 this month. In fact, it might be while I'm on vacation, to 182 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:24.679 be honest with you. But anyways, I wish I could, you know, 183 00:11:26.039 --> 00:11:28.879 have some belief in Jim Phillips, that he would he would give us 184 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:33.039 some kind of a statement, some kind of a sign and really sell us, 185 00:11:33.399 --> 00:11:37.519 meaning fans of schools in the ACC, that, like the league is, 186 00:11:37.519 --> 00:11:41.159 is innovative and they're they're doing creative things to try to, you know, 187 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:46.360 minimize that revenue gap that's only going to grow bigger. Instead, he's 188 00:11:46.399 --> 00:11:52.480 an empty suit that has never given me any anything that makes me feel confident 189 00:11:52.519 --> 00:11:54.000 in his leadership. And he you know, by all accounts, I'm sure 190 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:56.840 he's not. But by all accounts, he's sitting on his rear end while 191 00:11:56.840 --> 00:12:03.039 the big twelve commissioner is out there and again cool and innovative things to try 192 00:12:03.039 --> 00:12:05.360 to because the perception matters, and the perception of the ACC right now is 193 00:12:05.399 --> 00:12:09.759 that it's it's as soon as somebody can find a way out of the grain 194 00:12:09.840 --> 00:12:13.559 of rights deal, then the League is done. And I just wish, 195 00:12:13.679 --> 00:12:16.600 you know, maybe his hands are tied, because literally, there's quite literally 196 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:20.879 there's nothing he could do. But speaking of that thing, the Big Twelve 197 00:12:20.879 --> 00:12:22.240 Media Day is going on right now, and again I'll say something I said 198 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:26.679 a few weeks ago, Like anytime Brett yormark ends up, you know, 199 00:12:26.759 --> 00:12:31.799 in the college football news, you know, newswire essentially for saying something or 200 00:12:31.840 --> 00:12:35.480 some kind of an idea, it reminds me like this guy, like he 201 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:39.799 knows the Big Twelve has lost a major, major amount of momentum and really 202 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:46.600 value with the brands like Texas and Oklahoma leaving. And somebody put out a 203 00:12:46.600 --> 00:12:50.879 graphic that had like the forty best college football matchups of the upcoming season, 204 00:12:50.919 --> 00:12:52.639 not a single one was in the Big Twelve. Let's be real, their 205 00:12:52.720 --> 00:12:56.279 league was gutted with those two teams leaving, right Like, who's the best 206 00:12:56.320 --> 00:13:00.840 all time program in the Big Twelve right now? Is at Oklahoma State? 207 00:13:01.000 --> 00:13:03.799 Is a Kansas State? Like their league is not at all what it once 208 00:13:03.960 --> 00:13:05.919 was. But there's not a whole lot of noise out there about that because 209 00:13:05.960 --> 00:13:11.480 they're doing cool and innovative things. Perception matters, and like the ACC is 210 00:13:11.559 --> 00:13:15.279 just the lame duck, and I mean just to give you, just to 211 00:13:15.279 --> 00:13:16.600 give you a little rundown here. Look, this doesn't this isn't like that 212 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:20.440 big of a deal. But this is again a commissioner that is trying to 213 00:13:22.279 --> 00:13:28.279 you know, do things to create or I guess, to eliminate the gap 214 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:31.960 between revenue because they're going to have a chance to re up their deal before 215 00:13:31.960 --> 00:13:35.519 the ACC does. But they're going to have the Big twelve Conference is launching 216 00:13:35.559 --> 00:13:39.600 a twenty four to seven audio station that's going to be on the tune in 217 00:13:39.679 --> 00:13:43.600 app Apparently Garth Brooks of course, you know, big Oklahoma state guy, 218 00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:48.480 he helped facilitate that partnership. So that is a new Big twelve revenue sharing 219 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:52.799 opportunity from the league. They're going to have a twenty four to seven radio 220 00:13:52.840 --> 00:13:56.720 station. And I'm not sure what kind of revenue is there as far as 221 00:13:56.759 --> 00:14:00.240 advertisements, but there's something, right, it's something, and again nobody else 222 00:14:00.320 --> 00:14:03.320 is doing that. That's kind of cool, right. Uh. They also 223 00:14:03.879 --> 00:14:09.320 have ads that are going to be on officials uniforms, So referees are going 224 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:13.919 to have logos and sponsorships on their on their out uniform, you know, 225 00:14:15.159 --> 00:14:18.519 the striped shirt right. And again I'm not sure what kind of revenue is 226 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:22.399 there, but I know anytime there's a flag, who do they put the 227 00:14:22.399 --> 00:14:24.559 camera on a ref? Like there's gonna be your your logo, right, 228 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:28.080 there would be there's a lot of value there and that's money. You know, 229 00:14:28.080 --> 00:14:33.480 they're gonna have Microsoft turfed surface tablets for football because again, there was 230 00:14:33.480 --> 00:14:37.000 a rule change this year where you can have like there's there's there's I don't 231 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:39.360 know if it's I don't know if it's to the level that you can do 232 00:14:39.399 --> 00:14:43.480 it in the NFL or whatnot, but like the technology, you're now allowed 233 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:46.679 to utilize that while you're you know, in game, which you usually used 234 00:14:46.879 --> 00:14:50.759 used to not be able to do that. And he also talked about and 235 00:14:50.799 --> 00:14:56.039 I'm not really sure if this would be a this would be a lucrative thing 236 00:14:56.120 --> 00:14:58.480 or if I have no clue if this is something that would be a great 237 00:14:58.519 --> 00:15:03.639 deal for the or just a smart thing to do. But they're also looking 238 00:15:03.679 --> 00:15:09.879 into having a different television arrangement for the different sports, have one for basketball, 239 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:13.840 one for football, and then have one for Olympic sports. So look, 240 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:20.080 their their next TV deal is in twenty thirty, so by then, 241 00:15:20.799 --> 00:15:24.320 if they're still doing cool, innovative stuff, and you know their viewership is 242 00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:30.399 solid. You know they'll get a new deal with ESPN, and the ACC 243 00:15:30.799 --> 00:15:35.200 will be sitting with everybody making the same amount of money because they're locked in 244 00:15:35.360 --> 00:15:41.279 on twenty thirty four. So, in fact, when is the ACC Because 245 00:15:41.279 --> 00:15:43.440 I thought there's an idea. I'm not going to put it out there just 246 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:48.799 yet, but I've had an idea of doing something on media. I've had 247 00:15:48.799 --> 00:15:50.960 it for the like last two three years, and I've just never decided to 248 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:56.120 do it because it's essentially just mocking everything that comes with a media day for 249 00:15:56.159 --> 00:15:58.559 a conference. And I used to think like, yeah, you know, 250 00:15:58.639 --> 00:16:00.840 maybe that wouldn't be a great look. Maybe you know, maybe I should, 251 00:16:00.879 --> 00:16:03.639 But actually no, I think if I'm not on vacation at the time 252 00:16:03.679 --> 00:16:07.399 when that goes on, I think I'm gonna do it. It's July twenty 253 00:16:07.440 --> 00:16:10.600 second through the twenty Yeah, I'll be here and I'll and we're gonna do 254 00:16:10.639 --> 00:16:15.799 it because why not, right? Why not? So again, we're gonna 255 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:18.080 continue. I mean, I'm not We're not going anywhere. It's just this 256 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:21.240 is the worst time of the year for me because there's always things I can 257 00:16:21.240 --> 00:16:23.480 talk about. There's always things we can discuss, have some fun. That's 258 00:16:23.519 --> 00:16:27.440 what I enjoy out of this job. But when it comes to like the 259 00:16:29.000 --> 00:16:33.600 heavy hitting things that you would just expect if you're like a casual listener, 260 00:16:33.639 --> 00:16:37.720 just tune it in like that, there's not really anything there and I'm not 261 00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:41.399 gonna force it. So at times, you know, I feel like that's 262 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:45.200 that's a no brainer, right, Like, don't just feel like you have 263 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:48.120 to talk about sports when there's really no sports going on that the majority of 264 00:16:48.159 --> 00:16:52.000 your audience cares a whole lot about. So you know, I'm gonna stick 265 00:16:52.039 --> 00:16:55.960 to my guns and just you know, mix it up, have some fun, 266 00:16:56.399 --> 00:17:00.080 and hope you guys don't, you know, turn us off. But 267 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:03.120 if you are busy throughout the rest of your afternoon, you could take us 268 00:17:03.159 --> 00:17:04.799 with you by listening live on the Ahart Radio app Listen live. It's seven 269 00:17:04.880 --> 00:17:11.240 ninety Louisville dot com and a lot to get to today. Again, these 270 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:14.920 aren't things that probably are of great interest to you when it comes to the 271 00:17:14.920 --> 00:17:18.279 teams you care about. But the Cooper flag hype, like, I don't 272 00:17:18.279 --> 00:17:22.559 know if people are paying much attention to that, Like it sounds like this 273 00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:26.359 dude, like could be like a goat, which I guess can you? 274 00:17:26.480 --> 00:17:29.440 I guess you You can only have one goat, right, I know that's 275 00:17:29.559 --> 00:17:33.559 it's such an overused term. Yeah, can you say goats greatest of all 276 00:17:33.559 --> 00:17:36.079 time? Yeah? I don't think you you know, so, maybe goat's 277 00:17:36.079 --> 00:17:40.359 not the right way to describe it. But he is with I guess the 278 00:17:40.440 --> 00:17:44.599 Junior Olympic team, the under I don't know if it's there's a group of 279 00:17:44.599 --> 00:17:48.519 guys that are practicing against Team USA before they go to the Olympics, and 280 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:51.400 it's not you know that Cooper flag is about to become a freshman at Duke. 281 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:55.440 I think Trace Jackson Davis is actually playing for one of those teams too, 282 00:17:55.759 --> 00:17:57.319 So anyways, it's not just you know it. I think there's some 283 00:17:57.359 --> 00:18:00.759 young NBA guys just to help get the United States team ready before they go 284 00:18:00.759 --> 00:18:03.720 off to the Olympics. And Cooper Flagg, you know, at times, 285 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:07.440 has looked like the best player on the floor according to those that are there, 286 00:18:07.880 --> 00:18:10.440 which sounds like an exaggeration, like I'm not sure I believe that, 287 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:12.599 But to know that he's, you know, going head to head against some 288 00:18:12.640 --> 00:18:17.400 of the best players in the world and holding his own and at times getting 289 00:18:17.440 --> 00:18:21.440 the best of them. Like that's that's pretty scary. And I feel like 290 00:18:21.519 --> 00:18:23.440 there was so much hype about this guy, like two years ago and then 291 00:18:23.519 --> 00:18:29.640 last summer it was huge. But I think the portal when it comes to 292 00:18:29.680 --> 00:18:33.279 like college basketball, has changed how we really get, you know, excited 293 00:18:33.279 --> 00:18:37.119 about freshmen. I don't mean just us around here, I mean just college 294 00:18:37.160 --> 00:18:42.400 basketball fans in general. But if this hype is real, like if what's 295 00:18:42.440 --> 00:18:48.640 happening as they get set to leave for the Paris Olympics is real, I 296 00:18:48.680 --> 00:18:51.440 mean, this guy could end up, like we could have something that hasn't 297 00:18:51.480 --> 00:18:53.279 happened in a long time, and that is where maybe the best basketball player 298 00:18:53.279 --> 00:18:56.400 in the country is a freshman again, Like, when's the last time that 299 00:18:56.400 --> 00:19:00.000 happened, Zion Williamson. Maybe yeah, I mean yeah, yeah, I 300 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:03.000 would say that probably was the last time. And I think before that, 301 00:19:03.079 --> 00:19:06.799 I'm not really sure. I mean, maybe Anthony, Like there's been years 302 00:19:06.799 --> 00:19:10.119 where you've had really, really good freshmen that were great, but you know, 303 00:19:10.880 --> 00:19:15.400 this guy apparently is his next level. Also, I know a lot 304 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:18.680 of you probably are not fans of Steven A. Smith, but I am 305 00:19:18.839 --> 00:19:23.880 very interested just because I'm a nerd for this kind of stuff with his contract 306 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:29.440 negotiation that's going on with ESPN, because I'm not sure if if you guys 307 00:19:29.480 --> 00:19:30.680 have seen this, but you know, he wants he wants a lot more 308 00:19:30.680 --> 00:19:34.079 money than what's been offered to him, and he wants to be the highest 309 00:19:34.079 --> 00:19:38.599 paid guy in sports media. And I don't know if it's bluffing, but 310 00:19:38.680 --> 00:19:41.440 like there's there's some talk that he may walk if he doesn't get it, 311 00:19:41.960 --> 00:19:45.400 and I kind of feel like if he did that, nobody would hire, 312 00:19:47.599 --> 00:19:51.599 like because it be to be fair, he could make a ton of money 313 00:19:51.680 --> 00:19:53.000 doing his own thing, like he already has, like this Steven A. 314 00:19:53.119 --> 00:19:59.079 Smith show that's like a video podcast that's sponsored by one of the big sports 315 00:19:59.079 --> 00:20:02.359 books. But like, at what point does ESPN realize, like you know 316 00:20:02.400 --> 00:20:07.680 what we we you know, probably can not have you around and still be 317 00:20:07.839 --> 00:20:11.400 just fine. But then again, if they're offering if they if they've put 318 00:20:11.440 --> 00:20:15.440 him on every show they have seemingly for this long and they pay him as 319 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:18.359 much money as they pay him, there's clearly value in that, right, 320 00:20:18.440 --> 00:20:22.000 Like it's not like they're doing it just to do it. But I want 321 00:20:22.039 --> 00:20:25.200 to take a look at some of the highest paid people that work in sports 322 00:20:25.240 --> 00:20:30.200 media just because like it's it really is insane and good for them, right, 323 00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:32.799 Like I'm I'm you know, I will never be able to relate, 324 00:20:33.079 --> 00:20:37.039 but it is wild to see that you've got some analysts that that, you 325 00:20:37.119 --> 00:20:41.039 know, whether it be a play by play guy or a color analyst, 326 00:20:41.200 --> 00:20:45.839 or a radio host or TV you know, a TV host for one of 327 00:20:45.880 --> 00:20:49.440 these networks like ESPN or Fox or whatnot, and like they're making way more 328 00:20:49.519 --> 00:20:52.279 than the player a lot of the players they talk about, which is just 329 00:20:52.440 --> 00:20:56.920 you know, kind of crazy, but hey, shout out to them. 330 00:20:56.440 --> 00:20:59.880 Also, I want to take a look at this good breakdown that I saw 331 00:21:00.079 --> 00:21:03.359 from twenty four to seven sports and it really gives you a perspective as far 332 00:21:03.400 --> 00:21:06.240 as where you are, Like when it comes to the food chain and recruiting 333 00:21:06.240 --> 00:21:11.759 and college football, do you get out do you get as much out of 334 00:21:11.799 --> 00:21:14.440 what you bring in? When it comes to recruiting, Like, there are 335 00:21:14.480 --> 00:21:18.920 some programs out there that have consistently been above average to pretty good, and 336 00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:22.960 they've done it with not having any really good recruiting chops. And there are 337 00:21:22.960 --> 00:21:26.559 some programs over the years that have always done really well in recruiting and they 338 00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:29.559 have nothing to show for it. I think some of the results there may 339 00:21:29.640 --> 00:21:30.440 surprise you a little bit, So I do want to take a look at 340 00:21:30.440 --> 00:21:34.759 that a little bit later on, and then I don't know if this will 341 00:21:34.799 --> 00:21:38.200 be something people are that interested in. But did you see the Nike layoffs, 342 00:21:38.279 --> 00:21:45.079 John, I didn't. Forty percent of employees at Nike were laid off. 343 00:21:45.480 --> 00:21:48.519 I mean that's like a human Like, Nike's one of the biggest corporations 344 00:21:48.519 --> 00:21:52.759 in the world, and that's I mean, that's that's huge. So like 345 00:21:52.160 --> 00:21:57.079 if Nike is, you know, forty and I'm sure there's still I mean, 346 00:21:57.400 --> 00:22:00.640 they're not closing up shop or anything like that. But when I see 347 00:22:00.680 --> 00:22:07.079 that you've let go thirty two vice presidents, one hundred and twelve senior directors, 348 00:22:07.079 --> 00:22:11.000 whatever the hell that means one hundred and seventy four directors, Like it 349 00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:14.759 could just be you trim in the fat and getting rid of people who make 350 00:22:14.799 --> 00:22:18.039 a lot of money. But I feel like there'll be some noticeable change potentially 351 00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:22.519 in Nike. If that's the case, you know, maybe I'm not looking 352 00:22:22.559 --> 00:22:25.200 at it the right way. So again, we'll have some fun today. 353 00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:29.440 Another thing we can take a look at it's such a tired and silly thing 354 00:22:29.519 --> 00:22:32.079 because it's all a matter of opinion. Nobody's going to be able to really 355 00:22:32.079 --> 00:22:34.640 prove anybody wrong because there's a lot of goalposts moving with this. But we 356 00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:38.200 talk blue bloods in college basketball, but blue blood's in college football. I 357 00:22:38.240 --> 00:22:42.000 actually think is a more it's a better debate, right because I think when 358 00:22:42.039 --> 00:22:47.599 it comes to basketball, it's actually pretty clear who is and like who's clearly 359 00:22:47.680 --> 00:22:52.039 one, who's kind of one, and who's not but thinks they might be. 360 00:22:52.400 --> 00:22:56.200 With football, it's it's much different. So again, started to take 361 00:22:56.240 --> 00:22:59.440 a big crap on the sports landscape here as we start the show, but 362 00:22:59.759 --> 00:23:03.960 I'm being honest with you. But regardless, we'll have some fun. I 363 00:23:03.960 --> 00:23:06.079 mean, you know, there weren't any sports at all when they shut down 364 00:23:06.079 --> 00:23:07.799 the NSAA tournament, John, and then we didn't have anything for how long. 365 00:23:07.920 --> 00:23:11.599 I can't imagine what you mean. And we made it work. We 366 00:23:11.680 --> 00:23:15.000 made it work. It kind of does. It doesn't even seem like that 367 00:23:15.039 --> 00:23:18.200 really happened, but it did. So we'll get through right. Stick with 368 00:23:18.279 --> 00:23:21.759 us again, Coffee and Company Field. Bututh Thornton's right here on Sports Talk 369 00:23:21.759 --> 00:23:26.440 seven ninety so I mentioned I did watch some Summer League action last night, 370 00:23:26.799 --> 00:23:30.759 and I can I can stay locked into that. I mean, I realized 371 00:23:30.799 --> 00:23:37.319 it. It's just really pick up basketball with some slight organization, which honestly, 372 00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:41.160 I enjoy watching it because you see guys that you know, you don't 373 00:23:41.200 --> 00:23:42.759 know who they are, and you look them up and you're like, oh, 374 00:23:42.799 --> 00:23:47.039 wow, this guy averaged thirty eight points a game for an AI school. 375 00:23:47.039 --> 00:23:48.960 And you see another guy and you're like, wow, I forgot about 376 00:23:49.000 --> 00:23:52.559 that guy. He played, you know, five years ago for this school. 377 00:23:52.400 --> 00:23:56.720 But it really is, especially once you get past like the first six 378 00:23:56.839 --> 00:24:02.440 seven minutes of a game. I mean, it's the ultimate you gotta try. 379 00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:06.559 If you get an opportunity in the summer league and you're not trying to 380 00:24:06.559 --> 00:24:07.559 get yours, what are you doing? You know what I mean? Like 381 00:24:08.759 --> 00:24:12.480 there's so many guys on the roster. Everybody gets to play, you know, 382 00:24:12.519 --> 00:24:15.039 not the same amount of time. Like you just see guys that they're 383 00:24:15.079 --> 00:24:19.839 gunning, and there is something slightly entertaining about seeing guys just chuck up shots, 384 00:24:21.079 --> 00:24:23.160 especially if they get hot. But I did not see any of this, 385 00:24:23.240 --> 00:24:26.400 but of course it has gotten some attention. Somebody brought it up on 386 00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:30.119 the text line there during the break, but justin Edwards his summer league debut. 387 00:24:30.960 --> 00:24:36.240 Yikes, I'm starting to feel bad for this kid, because I mean, 388 00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:38.920 it's it's not his fault that he's just not nearly as good as anybody 389 00:24:38.960 --> 00:24:41.599 thought he was. Like, if you think about it, John, this 390 00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:45.119 guy's probably gonna end up having a pretty good life, yes, regardless of 391 00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:48.400 really what happens in the NBA. I mean, I would hate to hear 392 00:24:48.440 --> 00:24:51.039 that, you know, down the line, maybe his life takes a turn 393 00:24:51.079 --> 00:24:55.720 for the worst, but I mean, it would be awful to be an 394 00:24:55.799 --> 00:25:00.480 athlete that just as insanely overrated. And you know it, you know what 395 00:25:00.519 --> 00:25:03.240 I mean, Like, you can't anything about it. What are you gonna 396 00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:04.319 do? Come out and say, actually, I want everybody to know this 397 00:25:04.680 --> 00:25:07.759 recruiting service they did rank me number five in the country. I'm here to 398 00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:11.599 tell you that's nonsense. I'm actually not that good. Like you're not gonna 399 00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:14.240 do that, but you have no control, right, Like it makes you 400 00:25:14.279 --> 00:25:18.200 wonder if there's something underlying that obviously hasn't been spoken, that kind of thing 401 00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:22.079 that's kind of hindered his true development, And obviously that's just assuming you don't 402 00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:25.759 really know, but if somebody was rated to have that type of talent and 403 00:25:25.799 --> 00:25:29.000 it didn't pan out to be that way, something isn't right. I feel 404 00:25:29.079 --> 00:25:33.079 like, yeah, I mean, well, I think what happens with guys 405 00:25:33.240 --> 00:25:36.799 like that. And by the way, I'm just gonna double check here, 406 00:25:36.799 --> 00:25:41.920 because I think there might have been one of the recruiting services that ranked him 407 00:25:41.920 --> 00:25:47.759 as the number one player in the country, and that sounds crazy, but 408 00:25:47.799 --> 00:25:52.000 I feel like there was way wrong and I just don't think, you know, 409 00:25:53.000 --> 00:25:56.119 in that class, by the way, as everybody remembers, was not 410 00:25:56.119 --> 00:25:59.160 believed to be that elite, and maybe that's why I just didn't get a 411 00:25:59.160 --> 00:26:00.440 lot of attention, because you if you're the number one player, number two, 412 00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:03.799 number three, like you're you're sort of a known name nationally within college 413 00:26:03.839 --> 00:26:07.599 basketball before you get there. But he wasn't that I don't feel like. 414 00:26:08.079 --> 00:26:11.799 But again, the portals changed it to where now you know, there's just 415 00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:15.400 not as much attention given to freshmen incoming, even if they're ranked that high, 416 00:26:15.480 --> 00:26:18.319 because you know, there's a lot that's been changed. Maybe Cooper Flagg 417 00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:21.640 gives us a shift back in the other direction. If he's as good as 418 00:26:21.680 --> 00:26:23.640 advertised, but looking here at the twenty four to seven rankings, he's the 419 00:26:23.720 --> 00:26:27.519 number three player in the country, and the twenty four to seven composite he's 420 00:26:27.599 --> 00:26:32.200 number three, So maybe he was number one at one point, but either 421 00:26:32.200 --> 00:26:34.079 way, this is a guy who was the number three player in America. 422 00:26:34.680 --> 00:26:40.400 Very underwhelming at Kentucky. I mean it was. It became a really noticeable 423 00:26:40.440 --> 00:26:45.319 and awkward thing whenever he kept starting and getting big minutes for Kentucky, and 424 00:26:45.400 --> 00:26:48.799 he just clearly was nowhere near as good as the other guys that were. 425 00:26:48.799 --> 00:26:52.640 Probably, you know, it's just it, you know, and that's why 426 00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:53.319 I always you know, I'll never be able to prove it. But I 427 00:26:53.359 --> 00:26:57.359 feel like Cali Perry has often had an arrangement with guys that you will play 428 00:26:57.400 --> 00:27:02.519 and you will start because if not, like he's played some dudes, and 429 00:27:02.559 --> 00:27:04.000 I know loyalty is a big factor too, but there's some guys that have 430 00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:08.000 started for Calipari when he was a Kentucky that there was like, you know, 431 00:27:08.039 --> 00:27:11.440 you'll take him out after he plays four or five minutes and then maybe 432 00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:12.200 not put him back in again. AT's the point, why are you've been 433 00:27:12.200 --> 00:27:15.720 starting? Maybe because you have to honor some kind of an agreement. I'm 434 00:27:15.759 --> 00:27:19.079 not sure, but he was very underwhelming at Kentucky, had no business going 435 00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:23.359 to the NBA, got some bad advice. Clearly he ended up coming out 436 00:27:23.400 --> 00:27:26.759 and not entering the portal and just made it. I think he might have 437 00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:29.720 been one of the first players from Kentucky once their season ended and that loss 438 00:27:29.720 --> 00:27:33.039 to Oakland that announced he was leaving and he is heading to play professional basketball, 439 00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:37.559 didn't give any consideration to the portal anything like that. And then he 440 00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:41.119 goes undrafted, and then yesterday in his summer league debut, it was it 441 00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:45.599 was less than stellar. He did not score a single point. In fact, 442 00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:49.160 his stat line he played eighteen minutes oh of two from the field, 443 00:27:49.640 --> 00:27:55.240 oh of one from behind the arc, and he had one rebound, one 444 00:27:55.279 --> 00:28:00.440 assist, one steal, and two turnovers. So I mean eighteen minutes in 445 00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:04.039 a summer league game. I mean that's that's getting some decent clock, especially 446 00:28:04.039 --> 00:28:08.640 for an undrafted guy that just signed on with the team. So you know, 447 00:28:08.680 --> 00:28:14.119 I I think he's probably overthinking it now, Like you know what I 448 00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:15.799 mean, Like this is a guy that all throughout high school probably just got 449 00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:19.359 buy based off of his physical ability, which he has that. I mean, 450 00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:22.680 he's he's I mean, how big is he mean he's like six foot 451 00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:26.880 six foot eight six seven six eight? I mean I'm not really I mean, 452 00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:29.519 he's a wing, but he also has, you know, the ability 453 00:28:29.559 --> 00:28:33.039 to knock down a perimeter shot every now and then. So he got to 454 00:28:33.160 --> 00:28:38.319 Kentucky and at that level, high level college basketball probably rocked him mentally, 455 00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:41.720 right, Like, he probably never been in a situation to where he was 456 00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:45.720 clearly not good enough to have a big role. He had some flashes here 457 00:28:45.759 --> 00:28:48.400 and there, and then now he's probably overthinking it and he's eighteen nineteen years 458 00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:53.200 old, so maybe he eventually develops. But to me, he'll just be 459 00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:57.240 another one of those guys that checked the box when it comes to potential because 460 00:28:57.880 --> 00:29:03.839 at you know, sixt' seven six eight, two hundred pounds, he doesn't 461 00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:07.160 really have a true weakness. But he also doesn't really have a true strength. 462 00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:10.920 His true strength is his size and his athleticism. He's not great at 463 00:29:10.920 --> 00:29:15.079 handling it, not a great shooter by any means, but he's physical and 464 00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:18.640 he can. You know, just he probably got by without really being that 465 00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:22.440 skilled, and it got him to where he had all this hype and the 466 00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:25.920 tension, but the end of the day, as far as playing basketball and 467 00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:27.480 having especially when you get me, I think you have to do this at 468 00:29:27.799 --> 00:29:32.480 the high level of college basketball, but especially in the NBA. What tool 469 00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:33.720 are you pulling out of your bag? Right? Like, what are you 470 00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:38.160 bringing to the table that give that is an that will make you a weapon 471 00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:41.039 for a team. And sometimes it can be something as little as, hey, 472 00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:45.880 you are really really good at defending the pick and roll as a big 473 00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:48.400 man. And I'm not joking, Like, if you have the ability to 474 00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:52.319 defend the pick and roll and keep a team from shredding you with P and 475 00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:56.359 R action, and you know you've got good size and you're a professional, 476 00:29:56.559 --> 00:30:00.160 you can play an NBA for a long time. You'll be a you'll the 477 00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:02.480 last guy on the bench a lot of times, and you won't have, 478 00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:04.519 you know, a contract that compares to the All Stars. But you can 479 00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:10.039 play like you have to have an asset. Some guys are just knocked down 480 00:30:10.039 --> 00:30:12.839 shooters. Some guys are just defensive specialists, you know. Some guys are 481 00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:18.039 you know, energy guys. Like when Mantres Harrald was in the NBA, 482 00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:21.519 that dude just ran rim to rim rebounding and dunking, and it worked. 483 00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:25.079 He won NBA six Man of the Year. So like, at some point, 484 00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:27.880 if I'm evaluating high school players and there's enough guys like Justin Edwards, 485 00:30:27.880 --> 00:30:30.480 and there's been plenty of them, right, I mean, look back at 486 00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:33.440 last year Isaiah Collier six three point guard. He was the number one player 487 00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:37.440 in America in the composite rankings. He was one of the last guys taken 488 00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:40.839 in the first round, and you know, didn't get a whole lot of 489 00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:44.039 hype. So if there's more and we can go back and look at other 490 00:30:44.119 --> 00:30:45.359 years where there's a top ten guy and you're thinking, like, damn, 491 00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:49.640 whatever happened to that guy? I would start even at the early evaluating these 492 00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:53.400 guys when they're that young. I want to I would recognize potential and upside 493 00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:56.680 and know that there's a lot of value there, but also like try to 494 00:30:56.680 --> 00:31:00.680 think down the line, all right, what what's the asset? Like what 495 00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:03.480 is this guy in? Look, the guys can get better at certain things, 496 00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:07.519 right, they're not finished products. But at some point I feel like, 497 00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:10.119 even if he's seventeen eighteen, there's going to be some level of a 498 00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:14.039 sign of what you could potentially down the line really excel in and some guys 499 00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:15.039 are blessed to where they're really good at a lot of things. Right, 500 00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:18.920 those are the guys that make the insane money, that are all stars. 501 00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:23.000 But that's a very small percentage of the NBA. I mean, actually, 502 00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:26.720 I'm not picking on former UK guys here, but actually I think the Aaron 503 00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:30.559 Bradshaw and DJ Wagner are perfect examples of that. You know, DJ was 504 00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:36.599 just a scoring phenom in high school and has the genes and he may be 505 00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:37.839 a good player this year at Arkansas, but I didn't see anything in Dj 506 00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:41.960 Wagner that like, like, again, what is his asset? He doesn't 507 00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:45.799 run a team well enough to be like a point guard that's just really getting 508 00:31:45.799 --> 00:31:49.279 everybody involved. He doesn't play above the rim, and he's not a consistent 509 00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:52.720 shooter. He's not a bad player, but like, what does he do 510 00:31:52.119 --> 00:31:56.240 that the NBA would find attractive? Same thing with Bradshaw. He's you know, 511 00:31:56.519 --> 00:32:00.839 long and lanky, can run for a big man, but he doesn't 512 00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:05.240 have any offensive skill, right, I mean, I don't know, Like, 513 00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:07.559 these guys are usually pretty good if you're to be honest with you, 514 00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:12.160 if you see guys that are being drafted in the lottery. There's the occasional 515 00:32:12.200 --> 00:32:15.559 guys like a Dalton connect, right, that'll just that those kind of stories. 516 00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:19.160 But for the most part, guys who end up playing high level NBA 517 00:32:19.240 --> 00:32:22.720 basketball usually we're pretty highly coveted coming out of high school and then were highly 518 00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:25.920 ranked. So I don't want to make it sound like these guys suck at 519 00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:30.640 evaluating players, but sometimes I feel like you just get you see a sixteen 520 00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:34.599 seventeen year old kid, and it's just all about the physical attributes, which 521 00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:37.079 again that matters too, right, Like you can be super skilled and you 522 00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:43.240 know, have basketball IQ and vision and all the intangibles, but you know, 523 00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:47.119 if you're five to ten, unathletic and slow, you're probably you know, 524 00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:53.440 gonna max out as a basketball player at the Division III level. I 525 00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:58.480 think I'm kind of describing myself, to be honest with you, not that 526 00:32:58.519 --> 00:33:00.359 I had all those great things, but like, you know, like it 527 00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:02.920 was quite clear if somebody come evaluated me or you know, John in high 528 00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:06.000 school, they would just know, Hey, those guys don't look like they'll 529 00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:09.000 be in the NBA one day. Although it's not over for us. John 530 00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:12.799 was there always a chip on your shoulder back. Because I feel like whenever 531 00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:15.960 you're young and you're an athlete and you're thinking about potentially could I make the 532 00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:21.519 professional leagues in whatever sport you're doing, I feel like teachers and sometimes coaches 533 00:33:21.559 --> 00:33:24.599 will they kind of try to give you an early reality check that that's probably 534 00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:29.200 not going to be you Did you fight against that. I accepted it. 535 00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:30.599 I just kind of realized I'm not built for this. Well I was. 536 00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:36.799 I was so obsessed with with basketball that I had I had the I mean 537 00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:40.319 I feel like it, you know, I mean early age, I knew 538 00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:44.480 that I could have a I could basketball could be a big part of my 539 00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:46.319 life, and I could potentially play like after high school, but like I 540 00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:50.319 knew it wouldn't be U of L. Like I knew or just because I 541 00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:52.440 fought Like again, I was a kid who knew a lot about Division III 542 00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:57.559 in Division NAI basketball, not like I was an expert, but like I 543 00:33:57.640 --> 00:34:00.599 was so obsessed with it that I understood there's different levels. And with that 544 00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:04.680 I understood, Okay, junior college or Division III, that's probably a little 545 00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:08.000 bit more realistic for me. And uh, there's a there's a trainer that 546 00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:10.480 my dad hired to work with me when I was young. His name was 547 00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:15.480 Jay Collins. He's still very active in the basketball community, and he he 548 00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:17.920 that's what he would do, is he would work you out. And you 549 00:34:17.960 --> 00:34:22.559 know, he was an agent for a while. He ran some he ran 550 00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:27.480 some camps for for Nike in Asia whenever he was younger. So his job 551 00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:30.719 was to work you out and really just help develop your game. But also 552 00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:35.000 he would give your parents a realistic, you know, level of what you 553 00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:37.039 could play at. Doesn't mean you are capped out there or doesn't even mean 554 00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:39.519 that you're gonna be good enough to get there. But like I had a 555 00:34:39.559 --> 00:34:43.960 pretty good realization of it. But I used to go I used to get 556 00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:45.840 asked, like, you know, did I have a chip on my shoulder? 557 00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:47.920 Because like I was short compared to a lot of you know, I 558 00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:51.840 mean even in high school, I was probably the shortest guy on the floor 559 00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:54.440 more often than not. But I never even thought about that, like I've 560 00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:57.920 been I mean I've I've been short my whole life. So therefore, like 561 00:34:57.920 --> 00:34:59.719 it wasn't ever in my mind. I feel like if it was, it 562 00:34:59.719 --> 00:35:02.960 would I worked against me. But I go back and look at pictures when 563 00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:07.440 I was at age, and there's videos and stuff, and I'm like, 564 00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:10.880 Daln, I was tiny because you know, I weighed thirty five forty pounds 565 00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:15.960 less than I do now and I was maybe an inch shorter. So yeah, 566 00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:19.239 But anyways, justin Edwards, I hope you know, I'm not gonna 567 00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:22.000 act like I'm pulling for him like crazy, because I don't. I genuinely 568 00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:25.320 don't care. But he's a kid man, and that's gotta be Like, 569 00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:29.480 imagine where he was a year ago and where he is now today, with 570 00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:32.920 an underwhelming career, goes underwhelming freshman season, ending his college career, going 571 00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:39.199 undrafted after being the number three player in America, and then having a dud 572 00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:43.920 of a summer league debut. Like that's tough, man, that's tough. 573 00:35:44.480 --> 00:35:46.079 All right, let's talk about my friends over at the Louisville Men's Clinic, 574 00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:51.400 shall we. I stepped on the scale earlier today, and I was happy 575 00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:54.280 with what I saw. 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But once you get past that, like you know, it 592 00:36:47.719 --> 00:36:52.800 really does make it to where you're not just gonna shove food down your throat. 593 00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:55.360 Like the portion sizes in our culture here in America are insane, if 594 00:36:55.400 --> 00:37:00.159 we're being honest. So this what it does is eliminates that to where like 595 00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:01.519 now my wife and I can share a meal when we go out to eat, 596 00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:05.840 and like we each get very full, saves us money. We don't 597 00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:08.039 eat as much. But I was one hundred and seventy two pounds like ten 598 00:37:08.119 --> 00:37:10.480 days ago, and I'm now down to one hundred and sixty four. So 599 00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:14.519 again, they've helped me in a variety of ways. Let them help you. 600 00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:16.239 A Louile Men's clinic dot COM's the website. 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We'll take you up to six o'clock like we always do. 611 00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:53.840 Some nasty stormy weather on the way apparently, so stay safe out there. 612 00:37:54.079 --> 00:37:57.159 Just to pick up where we left off with not a whole lot of 613 00:37:57.199 --> 00:38:00.239 time left here. In this segment, we were talking about Justin Edwards and 614 00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:06.159 how it's been a real rough road for him since he left the high school 615 00:38:06.199 --> 00:38:08.559 ranks as the number three player in America after going scoreless last night in the 616 00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:15.119 NBA Summer League. But this could point of the text line that Edwards really 617 00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:20.639 just being a top three pick and having all that hype for years as a 618 00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:23.960 high school player and not getting drafted at all in the weakest draft ever is 619 00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:28.639 a sign that these guys can no longer just get by based off of hype 620 00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:31.320 from when they were young. And I don't I mean, I can't think 621 00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:36.960 of any other examples recently, but maybe Edwards is one. Again, I'm 622 00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:37.880 not to pick on the guy, but we talked about it the day after 623 00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:44.039 the draft. He's the only top three player ever to not go since the 624 00:38:44.119 --> 00:38:46.519 rankings existed, to not be drafted, and all the other guys, you 625 00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:50.039 know, most of them were drafted in the first round or the lottery. 626 00:38:50.639 --> 00:38:54.159 So you know, like Scalabasia, there's no scenario he did anything at Kentucky 627 00:38:54.679 --> 00:38:59.039 that would make you think he was going to be an NBA player long term. 628 00:38:59.079 --> 00:39:01.519 Well he still got drafted the first round. You know why because they 629 00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:05.840 just assume, well, hey, this guy was the best prospect in that 630 00:39:05.920 --> 00:39:08.840 class for however many years. Eventually it's gonna hit and he's gonna be a 631 00:39:08.840 --> 00:39:13.039 great player. And there are some examples of like when that's worked out, 632 00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:19.599 Like this to me is more of a more of a sign that like James 633 00:39:19.639 --> 00:39:22.199 Wiseman, I think will be out of the NBA before too long. He 634 00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:25.440 actually just signed with my Pacers yesterday. But this is a guy who was 635 00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:31.000 drafted with the number was it, the number two overall pick in twenty twenty 636 00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:37.039 after one season at Memphis, and he's been I mean, he's been a 637 00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:39.480 bum in the NBA. Like he's just not he's not he's not very good, 638 00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:45.400 and he's coming off of a season where he had the worst season in 639 00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:47.679 his career. So you know, like eventually, I just think like he 640 00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:52.280 does. He's a huge. He's seven foot tall and he is two hundred 641 00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:57.280 and forty pounds and he's long, but what, like, what's his skill? 642 00:39:58.360 --> 00:40:01.199 So like there's gonna there already are enough of these guys to where I 643 00:40:01.239 --> 00:40:05.679 feel like if you are an NBA, like, if you're an NBA GM, 644 00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:08.400 like you just have to like more often than not, these guys may 645 00:40:08.440 --> 00:40:12.000 turn into be solid players, but like they do they ever turn out to 646 00:40:12.039 --> 00:40:17.719 be like superstars and I can't tell, like sometimes if you are a like 647 00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:21.719 I'm trying to think of some good examples here, but there are some guys 648 00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:27.559 that don't end up playing in college because of it didn't happen as much anymore. 649 00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:30.599 But guys used to go to the G League or they would go to 650 00:40:31.559 --> 00:40:37.519 the Australian thing like trend Flowers did, and really that that's where you go 651 00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:39.039 to hide. And that can hurt you in a way because you kind of 652 00:40:39.039 --> 00:40:44.760 could be forgotten if you end up playing like limited minutes in your stat line 653 00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:46.280 stinks like that could be a red flag that, yeah, this guy, 654 00:40:46.679 --> 00:40:51.400 he's way far away from being you know, any good and the potentials not 655 00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:53.760 what we thought it was, you know. Or if you play in college 656 00:40:53.800 --> 00:40:58.800 for a year and you play, you know, for a good team and 657 00:40:58.840 --> 00:41:02.840 you're clearly just not nearly as good as the rankings had you projected to be, 658 00:41:02.960 --> 00:41:05.840 Like it could be kind of telling on yourself, you know what I 659 00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:08.599 mean. It's like sometimes it's like if Trent Flowers would have gone to Louisville 660 00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:12.000 and not gone to Australia, which by the way, he didn't get drafted, 661 00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:15.960 and I think he signed with the Clippers maybe, but you know, 662 00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:17.119 that's one of the things that I thought he was doing when he decided to 663 00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:23.079 go to Australia. I think there's probably some layers to that situation. I 664 00:41:23.079 --> 00:41:25.400 think he knew this was going to be a train wreck at Louisville and wanted 665 00:41:25.400 --> 00:41:28.519 to get out. But I also think that he wanted to go to the 666 00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:31.199 NBA and he could go hide in Australia, and at Louisville he'd be a 667 00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:36.360 part of a really bad team, and the thought of him going pro then 668 00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:37.800 probably wouldn't have even been an option. And I guess, you know, 669 00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:39.480 I guess it could have been an option. I mean, it could have 670 00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:46.679 still declared. But yeah, like I I think if if certain players in 671 00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:50.440 this draft class, like if Dalton connect ends up being like a really good 672 00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:52.639 NBA and he's just one guy, but like I'm so tired of hearing that 673 00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:58.000 dudes are not draftable because they're twenty one or twenty two instead of eighteen or 674 00:41:58.039 --> 00:42:02.000 nineteen. Like. There have been enough samples of the NBA drafting eighteen nineteen 675 00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:07.159 year old kids based off nothing but potential and they're so raw, and then 676 00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:09.960 it ends up being a waste of an investment. All right, we still 677 00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:13.039 got two more hours to go, so stick with us. A lot more 678 00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:15.519 to get into. We'll take a look at this college football recruiting breakdown. 679 00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:21.639 That'll tell you the local teams around here do we do better, do we 680 00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:24.320 do more with less, or do we do less with more based off of 681 00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:29.320 the recruiting talent. I think that's an interesting thing to consider, and again, 682 00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:30.480 I think the results here may surprise you. To stick with us. 683 00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:34.440 It's coffee and Company. Philbuth Thornton's right here on Sports Talk seven ninety