Welcome to soft core History. Welcome back to softcore History. I'm the host
for the week, dam or jes right, and now I'm joined as always
by Jake Goman and Rock Fox. What is up? Boys? Hello?
Hello, I went to a concert yesterday. You were in the pit.
I was in the pitying love someone I was. I was not trying to
love anyone. I was trying to love myself. Were you was your wife?
Not there? No? I want my buddy, okay, why you
love your buddy? Then? Yeah, I loved my buddy. Me buddy
loved you. Guys, kiss or no, we didn't kiss. We fucking
uh just jumped up and down a lot. You know what I hate about
mosh pit culture? What that you get beat up every time you get in
one. No close close? Yeah, I sit in the balcony in the
opera. Opera. Yeah it goes. But no, I like friends,
not like friends, but like people on friends on Facebook. Who a couple
people who like metal heads or whatever, And they'll always be like these people
don't understand a bit bush beets man, it's not violent. As soon as
you get knocked down, one hundred people help you back up, and it's
just done. To keep going. I'm like, I don't know, you
still got knocked down. Well, it's not a Travis Scott concert. Yeah,
now that Yeah, that's the most metal. Yeah, if you don't
have risk of trampling, yeah, we're you even doing. Jake actually said
it was gotten pretty soft. Well, yeah, like when I was younger,
people were throwing punches in the mosh pit. That anymore, huh No,
they don't do that no more. If I was one of if I
was one of those dads whose son was killed with that Travis Scott concert by
being crushed to death, I would wait to see how my lawsuit went,
and it didn't go the way I wanted to. Probably murder him, kill
Travis Scott. Yeah, good look getting to him, I mean getting to
him, get to Travis Scott. You couldn't you can. I don't think
it'd be hard. I don't think you get close enough to shoot him.
Dude, he's protected by Ronald McDonald. Yeah, cactus Jack, the cactus
Jack nail. Well yeah, well don't just off somebody with McDonald's money.
I don't think you would be able to get close enough to Cactus Jack with
a gun to be able to kill him. Especially how close do I need
to get I mean, how give a shot? Are you a decent shot?
Are you give him the moving target? I can get him in the
spine. You could shoot him in the spying down a sidewalk, so he's
walking either a way or towards me and not left to right. It's very
specific conditions. And there's there's a clear shot on him. Clear it's down
a sidewalk, clear enough. You are on an empty sidewalk with Travis Scott.
He's too high in the totem pole. You have to go for like
a lower rapper. Yeah, you Dolly. Why would I kill Young Doll
who's already dead? I think kills some fucking mixtape rapper, favorite mixtape rapper.
Fuck you dude. Young Dolph was the goat. I don't. He
wasn't the goat. I never heard of him. He wasn't the goat.
But he also wasn't a fucking mixtape rapper. No, he wasn't what I
was. Very much have some man, Yeah, very much noted rapper.
We're a history show, by the way, but yeah, again I'm connected.
Well, he's history. So Adolph, Young Dolf ad Dolf. Yeah,
not a lot of people with the name Dolph anymore. No, Dolph
Longren and Dolf Hitler. Yeah. I think actually the Germans would have succeeded
and he would have been beloved if he went by Dolf. Dolph is a
hard ass name. That's cool. The Germans win the war if he was
Dolph. Yeah, if he's Dolph hit Dolph Hill, he's eighty Addie Hitler,
Addie soft Dolph though, Dolf Hitler, that's terrifying. Yeah, Dolph
takes England. Yeah, Yeah, Dolph takes Russia. The Operation Sea Lion
goes off without a hitch. Yeah, if his name is Dolf. That
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talked about We talked about him on the top about from the get go,
So we're just covering our basis. Yeah, Now today we're gonna talk about
a man that we actually brought up last episode. M hmmm hmm. We
were wrong what I thought he was the we'll get to it. Okay,
today we're talking about John Quinn see Adams. So you're telling me how lied?
Yeah again? Yeah? How can we keep clipping stuff of me lying?
It just does so well? Why does me lying always? Yeah,
the more the wrong, the wronger we are and clips, the angrier people
get, the more engagement the post gets, the further gets. Ready,
you wonder how lies get halfway around the world before the truth puts its pants
on. Now just the algorithm. You were also so adamant, You're like
that's just facts, and it's like, actually, check it out. It's
not which which is. We'll get to it and on the wrong we'll get
it. We'll get to it. Don't spoil it. I'm just I'm baffled
that I'm wrong, which it shouldn't be. Should not be baffled by that.
So before we get into this episode, do you guys know much about
Quincy? Clearly Jake does not. I know nothing about him, then,
Rob, Uh, I know that the guys from the Bear played him in
The Son of John Adams. And yeah, hilariously, Uh, the cousin
or cut quote, cousin from the Bear played him. I like, that's
how I know you the actor first. So watching him in the Bears really
fun? Did he actually get to the North Pole? Did he get us
to the North Pole? At least? Just wait? God, damn you
like my kids on Christmas Eve? Just go to bed? Okay, why
don't you take a little map? All right? Man? Rob got this?
All right? So John Quincy born July eleventh, seventeen sixty seven,
on the family farm in Braintree, Massachusetts. He was the second child and
first son of John and Abigail Adams. Obviously, his father was a framer
of the Constitution, one of the biggest names during the Revolution. But the
Adams were, compared to the rest of the founding fathers, not particularly wealthy,
fairly middle class. John was a lawyer, a lawyer of repute.
But you know, yeah, up middle class, up middle class. They
had a home in Boston and then then they had the farm wherever that that
was that you just said, so you know, multiple properties and stuff like
that. But like, yeah, not like we're not talking like Washington Jefferson,
who were like fucking loaded. Well, the name of the town now
is called Quincy, I believe, Okay, so they renamed it after I
got here. Quincy at seven watched the Battle of Bunker Hill with his mother
from a distance. That's awesome. People don't get to do that anymore now.
They call it stuff like school shootings. Yeah, and I missed the
day. Just stand on your front porch, maybe lean on a pole and
watch a watch h a battle. That's what they took. That's what they
want to take from you. You know, Now you're anywhere near a battle
here, you're getting just by a drone. Yeah, true, Like dying
in battle is probably lame as ship now it's like like a drone. Like,
man, you're done. It's like dining call of duty some fucking like
purple hair gamers, just like in a fucking that not even like doesn't even
make a noise, just like eat a fucking cheeto. And then like as
you just like lay bleeding out from the grenade they drop from a drone.
Now, do you think they will program the robots to tea bag us after
they kill us? Yes? So that's all I asked. Look at that,
this fucking cook. I was just I've watched a lot of grenade videos
from the Rush of the Ukraine warm so they stole tea bag in video games
to this day. Quincy, in mid February seventeen seventy eight to ten,
accompanied his father on a transatlantic voyage to France. Yeah, that was when
all my knowledge of John Adams is from the show John Adams. I'll be
totally honest with you, but that was when John Adams and uh and I
think Benjamin Franklin were trying to convince France either get in the war or just
give more to the war. Yeah, and uh so, Yeah, Quincy
was in roughly the vicinity of Ben Franklin when he was on his fuck trip.
I just one of his many fuck trips. He's a middle class guy,
but he's on a transatlantic voyage to France. It's a government paid Okay,
we give Benny Franklin a little too much credit. He was kind of
a scum bag. He was mostly a scumy. He just fucked. I'm
pretty sure the idea of him with the key and the kite, he bought
that idea from somebody. He stole the IP or but he bought the IP
if he paid for it, the New cares and it's paid for, he
could have just stolen it. But he was essentially your friend. That was
the idea guy. Yeah, cool, I need one of those useful guy.
I like idead people sort of. I mean, you need an execution
guy. You need to do the work. That's why I never ran for
anything. I know. Well, like in the American the founding fathers in
general were a good mix of It was a good mixed bag, right Like
Adams was a grinder. Yeah, Washington was like the figurehead leader you needed.
Jefferson was the brains but also had a bit of an ego. Jeffson
was the artist. He was the lead singer in a lot of ways.
Actually he wasn't a lead singer. He was more like the lead guitarist.
Yeah, it was like Eddie van Halen or something. Yeah. And actually
Quincy's the first, uh, non founding father that became president. Okay,
that's number six interesting because it was what Madison and Monroe. Yeah. He
attended private boarding school in Paris, where he studied Latin and French and ultimately
became fluent or passable in seven different languages people used to be useful. So
Quincy's kind of the first American that is a world traveler first versus board in
America that travels the world like this. Yeah, because if otherwise, being
in America by default makes you a world traveler if you're not born there.
He gets all over, especially in his childhood and adolescence. Yeah, I
mean because of his dad. Yeah, that's pretty cool. Did he go
I assume he go to like did he go with him to like the Netherlands?
And shit too? When does he first encounter a mole person? Let
the story play out. I don't expect you to answer them, but I'm
gonna ask my mom watching a movie, who is that? Like it's like
we're watching the same movie. I have no idea, I am it's the
same linear story. But here's the thing, we're not watching the same movie.
You have the script and wrote it. I'm just a passive viewer,
you know. Yeah, you're talking about nothing like that. You're talking to
the television. What happens next television? Right? But yeah, five minutes
in and you're asking Christopher Nolan, what's the end of Memento? Well,
it's the middle. Mm hm, that's the end. Yeah, because the
middle is where I get to the mole people. Ah, yes, okay,
perfect, There you go. At the influence of his father, Quincy
began a diary while in Europe and continued it for the rest of his life.
So seventy plus years of just Quincy's thoughts, thoughts and just his hopes
and dreams. Dear Diary. My father's friend Benjamin keeps knocking at my door
late at night. He keeps begging me to find wine and it once if
I want Dibbs, wants to if I want Dibbs. Underneath of the broads,
but they're all so old. This is why we know so much about
the Atoms is because both John and Quincy kept a diary that was pretty lengthy,
miss me with keeping a dye. But that's the key to if you
really want to like preserve yourself in history. That and also make sure that
your your narrative is the one that gets told. Mmm you know what I
mean, give them more details? Yeah, yeah right, Yeah. What
if I just wrote, like I'm gonna just write a ridiculously fake diary and
just leave it in a time capsule, you should I and people will be
like, who was this Jake Coleman, this guy, This guy's a fucking
lunatic. Also, well, no, like six hundred years from now,
they're like whoa. People in like the twenty tens really like we're doing some
weird shit, you know, just like make up some sort of like social
construct that didn't actually exist. Yeah. Completely. Yeah. In fact,
if I had a time machine or like got stuck stuck through a wormhole back
to any point in time where there was like recorded history, I would just
write down the most yeah, absolutely insane shit. I'd be like, hey,
like if I got sucked back to ancient Samaria, I'd be like,
dear diary, his place is even crazier than I thought. I killed five
dragons today because I'm very strong. There are dragons everywhere. You have to
Yeah, if you go back in time, there's no reason to not fuck
with the future self. Absolutely, no, it has to. He does
have quite a high opinion of himself. In fact, he once called his
diary some of the most precious and valuable works written by human hands. Wow,
that's a fucking claim. I love it. Good for him, he's
incredibly self important. What year did he write that? Specifically, when did
he say that? Yeah, I think it was in his later years.
Okay, it wasn't like not when he's a kid. That'd be sicker.
If he was like cool, it'd be insane. If I don't know which
is worse seeing it when you're like fourteen or seeing it with me you're eighty
four. By the way, another excellent person who portrayed this reminded me because
it's old John Quincy, who portrayed John Quincy Adams. Probably my favorite part
of the movie Amistad is Anthony Hopkins play as old as fuck John Quincy Adams.
We'll get to that. Okay, Yeah, you think I just breezed
over the Amistad. No, I don't know. I don't know what you
did. I don't even know if that is you never saw the movie Amistad.
I've never even heard of it. Okay, it's a good movie.
People other it kind of got liked. Also a pretty major historical event,
the Amistad, So we'll get to it. Okay, But like that movie
has not Damn, the movie's been getting a lot of blowback lately. Not
lately, but like in the peak, like woke era, because people were
like, oh, it's a white savior movie. I liked the movie,
but he literally was a white savior. Yeah, they needed a white guy
to save him. No Quincy did this. Yeah, I know they needed
a white guy to save him. Now, to be fair, they need
a white guy to save them from other white guys. So it's not like,
yeah, it's not like white people fuck. Yeah, it's more just
a break even. But I don't know, it's a good movie. I
liked it. And also how he gets them off might be a little different
than maybe have them portrays. I'm sure. So they sailed back to the
US in seventeen seventy nine and arrived back in August. It was very short
lived, though, as they immediately turned back two months later to France.
As Big John had to negotiate a peace treaty with Britain to recognize America's independence,
they had to go back two months later. H So what they spent
like fucking three weeks on the boat, got there two months of rest.
I mean that at this point, that's like hell, that's a nightmare.
That's like having a flight, like a six hour flight, getting to the
airport, getting to sleep for like a six hours I guess at the airport,
and then getting right back on the fucking plane for another six hours.
Well, this particular trip was not so smooth. Obviously the wars going on,
had to dodge some British ships they were negotiating. Well, this was
in seventeen seventy nine, so it was like the early stages of okay,
yeah, yeah, maybe you know, get to the table. It wasn't
like full for another couple of years. Yeah, so they had to at
least, you know, get the framework going. However, on this trip,
the ship took damage. It began to take on water, forcing the
captain to make landfall in northern Spain in early December, and the group had
to cross the Pyrenees Mountains into France. They arrived back into Paris in February
seventeen eighty, so a bit of a detour. I can't imagine any road
trip at that time is fun. Can you imagine? Like, oh,
yeah, there was an issue with the wing of the plane. So we
know you wanted to go to Paris, but you're in Lisbon now and we
can't get you there. Also, you're both starting to sink in December.
Yeah, ooh, hold water, you're gonna die soon. It's like,
please find the nearest place, like piece of land anywhere. Yeah, that
isn't a fucking jagged cliff. Just put the boat there. Yeah. French
Foreign Minister wouldn't come to an agreement with Adams until the French would reconquer Canadian
territories taken by the British. They went revenge for the Little World War.
They were just in the Seven Years War, I mean, the whole revolute
the revolution happened because of the Seven Years War. Big John had to call
an audible, so he went to Amsterdam to get a loan from the Dutch
and to lessen American dependence on the French. That's a funny scene from John
Adams because the Dutch are just like these stiff like Puritans, and they're all
speaking Dutch like about him in front of him, and they're just like,
this guy sucks about John Adams, not Quincy, Like the guy's the fuck's
going on. Quincy's like a teen here. Yeah. While he was in
Amsterdam, though he enrolled at the University of Lieden, he impressed many,
including one of the men that accompanied his father, Francis Dana. When Dana
was appointed Minister of the Court to Catherine the Great in Saint Petersburg in seventeen
eighty one, he took fourteen year old Quincy to be both his secretary and
interpreter. So wait, he was in the court of Catherine the Great at
fourteen. That's insane life. That was that's sick already. And I haven't
even like we've gone to the top of the iceberg. There's so much more.
And by the way, I was about to say something stupid. It
might be true, but I think it's stupid. I was about to be
like, wow, and he spoke Russian, but I think they spoke French
in the court. And that's why he was the interpreter in the court of
Cathinic the great, No, he took He spoke Prussian and Russian. He
learned all these different languages. Again, he spoke seven I know, but
I'm pretty sure they spoke French in court. So, but who knows.
French used to be sorry, French. I was. The reason it's called
lingua franca is because French used to be English. French. Everyone used to
speak French for business and blah blah blah. That was America where the world's
English. Yeah, now it's English. Now English is the lingua franca,
the Lingua engla. But we need to change it. Fuck Lingua Franca.
It needs to be like, speak English, speak American. The English can't
even speak English. Well, yeah, I know English. If you need
to go to go from lingal Franco to like the shit shit, you speak
just the dumbest English way to say it. Talk normal, Yeah, talk
normal, normal at me. Man. Once in Saint Petersburg, he wrote
in his diary that he thought it was far superior to Paris. He actually
favored it, and he spent most of his time reading and in isolation.
Kind of a nerd. Yeah, so his take on what city is better
is total trash. You know, it's not a reliable source. He didn't
really get out. They did start beheading each other eventually in Paris, so
fair enough. M seventeen eighty two, Adams returned to France and was recalled
by his dad to become his own secretary. September seventeen eighty three, a
final peace agreement was signed and recognized the United States as its own independent nation.
The Adams go to London and Quincy takes in British culture. They meet
up with Thomas Jefferson in seventeen eighty four and France. What culture you pick
up in Britain? I'm just establishing my guy is a world trappferent. Great
job. You're doing a great job of establishing a timeline and a bulletin board
of pins in a map. Right, But Mike, what it's like he's
taken in the British culture? Neat? How different is that the American culture?
Point in time? He ate a little probably, but slight, Yeah,
slight at best. The Adams, well, he has a big theater
guy that he I think he learns to love theater okay in England because he
loves Shakespeare. Can't imagine it was a great theater tradition in the America at
that point. Wait, you said, this is when John Adams was the
ambassador. So this is seventeen eighty three, final piece agreement signed that recognizes
the US and you know the war's over. Yeah, okay. They then
meet up with TJ and seventeen eighty four in France, and this is kind
of where Quincy gets into good favor with TJ. They become boys. Huh,
well TJ does like him young mm hmm. Sally Hemmings was fourteen when
he started drilling her. Also, apparently maybe his dad did the same thing
and they could have possibly been related. What too, that's just speculation.
John Adams, No, not Adams, Jefferson. Jefferson is dad. Uh
oh so he Jefferson could have been related to Sally Hemmings. Yeah, yikes,
that's because he did not. It's not like Jefferson was the first in
his family to do it. No, it's pretty common. There was a
funny letter. Well it's not really funny. Uh. Funny's not probably the
way to put it. But with the Sally Heving thing, the founding fathers
were complicated. Okay, I guess complicated people. Uh, what's complicated?
He sucked his slaves. Yeah, it wasn't complicated. Well, he just
took advantage of someone he saw his property child. Okay, I'm talking about
as the general idea of the founding fathers. Oh yeah, I mean,
like we anyone that lauds them as these like perfect beings is wrong. No,
but they're also not just like terrible human beings. They accomplished a lot.
I mean I think it says a lot that, you know, imperfect
people can make something apart from themselves. They also knew at the time it
was wrong. Yeah, but they knew the country would not survive if it
wasn't for slavery. They knew it had to be built, and eventually they
would revisit the topic later on. Anyway, what I was gonna say was
that Abigaiale Adams wrote Jefferson a letter because Jefferson had Sally Hemmings. Uh.
And then I think Sally was taking care of his daughter or something like that.
His daughter was older than Sally or was younger than Sally. Sorry,
and Abigail Adams wrote him a letter. They stopped over in England and the
Adams just took care of them, and she wrote Thoms jefferon Leonnar like they're
here and they're doing well. But I gotta say, man, your slave
is like less mature than your daughter. She's more to take care of as
a child than you're donners. So it's like a very mature fourteen year old,
very childlike that you were banging And no, he started banging on that
trip. On the trip he got the letter and was like, oh god,
damn, boats can't move fast enough. Also, probably the time to
mention that both John Adams and Quincy no slaves. Yeah, and I don't
know about Quincy, but Adam John Adams was pretty adamantly anti slavery. Quincy
becomes a pretty big abolitionist after he was president. No the whole time,
but he doesn't really get anything dumb when he's president. And we'll figure find
out why. Perhaps there might have been some obstacles in the way moles More.
Yeah, fuck it, Jake, it was moles That's what I thought.
So I was right. No, Okay, I can feel better now,
thanks guys, All right, I'm out. Seventeen eighty five, Quincy
decides to go back to the US and finish his studies. He enters Harvard
in seventeen eighty six studies. Long graduates second in his class. He opens
his own law practice at twenty three, a year after his dad becomes vice
president, and by his own admission, our guy John Quincy kind of a
slob. Really not the best dressed dude. He calls himself out on this.
Yeah, he always talks to that. He says the words in his
diary careless of dress. Yeah, he's just like, I'm not iron,
you know. He's again like he's not a Virginian, he's not a South
Carolinian. He's just some Boston slob. He would sometimes go to church barefoot.
Okay, that's a lot. That's fucking The only person that does that
is named River, Like you know what I mean, he's fucking Tom Sawyer.
Good lord. It's like, oh man, my Chocko's they broke on
the way here, so I just did it all on a trial. Also,
for such a global man not great with people, that does surprise me.
Just because you travel a lot doesn't mean you're great at talking to people.
You could travel and not talk to anyone. He's also a highly intelligent
person. You maybe on the spectrum you should be able to talk to anybody
if you travel a lot, because you have a lot of things to talk
about talking to people. What if you just want to look at shit.
He wasn't one for small talk, and he lacks social graces. Okay.
In fact, a British diplomat wrote that Adams had a vinegar aspect and sat
and frivolous assemblies like a bulldog amongst spaniels. Doesn't even mean I was would
say like pouting, looking grumpy or have you seen Quincy too with his facial
hair? Oh yeah, but see the spaniels though, are that makes sense
for a government situation, right, because they're all just like yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So there was a bulldog
just sitting there like God damn the fucking Sperials I hate everyone. Yeah yeah,
I guess so. And then also he probably had hiptosplacia like most bulldogs.
He does look I'm I'm looking at his picture right now. He does
look like a man with hip displeasure. He was a giant theater fan,
Like I said. In seventeen ninety two, he was a founded member of
a citizens committee that sought to repeal law that banned theatrical entertainment in Massachusetts.
What they banned the theater in Massachusetts. Yeah, so hold on, why
if I can get this straight, what year was that? Seventeen ninety two?
So he repealed the law, right, So what I'm saying is is
that at some point, probably maybe at that point right before he repealed it,
but certainly right before. At some point before that, theater was illegal
in Massachusetts, but owning slaves was legal. Yeah. So if you put
on guys and dolls straight to jail, that prison another human being and make
them work for free and rape them as long as you own them, just
fine. Nothing sounds nothing tracks harder for Boston than that. It's like fucking
theater nets. Fuck yo, fucking get off the stage, go home,
you fucking quick home, and fucking slave like a mad fucking home all was
doing Shakespeare but here. Yeah, so he became an original shareholder of the
Boston Federal Street Theater. Street Theater mimes and jugglers doesn't sound like Shakespeare to
me. Someone just like reading Sonnets on a street corner. I think it's
just a venue. Okay. The Street Theater is actually just a dude with
three cards. You got to pick one. It's just like the guy that
picks or the three cups and there's a bean under that. It sounds like
what someone yells when they're getting moved by the NYPD, like a street theater,
mackbar, like the fuck out here. In seventeen ninety four, Adams
began a career in international diplomacy, serving first as US Ambassador to the Netherlands.
He went on to serve as ambassador to Portugal, Prussia, Russia,
and Great Britain. Legit, it's a lot of different ambassadorships. As America's
Foreign Minister to Russia, Adams would wake up at five am and he was
the og cold plunge guy. Oh really. He would have an ice bath
every morning. You know, when I was younger, I used to do
like an icy shower in the morning. I used to take a really cold
shower to wake up. Why because I thought it felt kind of cool,
like it was like, oh, I'm awake now. And then as soon
as I think I got even like four days into that as like this fucking
sucks. So you didn't used to do that. You did it three times
when I was a kid. You used to do that. Make it sound
like you did for months years here three days, three times? Yeah,
uh yeah, sure, it's a good story. I thought it wasn't.
I thought it was really important to add. I just I think it's a
psycho move. It's a psycho move. But I think it's pretty cool that
this has become more and more popular in this day and age. What if
they find out it's like Quincy actually did this back in the day. Yo,
I guarantee they're gona find out, Like once these like sixty seven year
old dudes started doing the cold plunges and hopping in, they're all gonna start
having heart attacks from the shock, you think, so, oh dude,
for sure? Is it that bad? I mean, I I have for
a for a scavenger hunt. Once. I swam in a pond in January,
so like it was fucking it was below freezer. Yeah yeah, okay,
yeah he's not here here. It was in college. Okay, I
went, we threw its sex doll in and I went to rescue it as
a lifeguard. Let's get a can float. Yeah yeah, she didn't need
rescuing. Honestly, it was pretty stupid. Yeah she is was fine,
shew. Yeah, but I did it and it was pretty fucking cold.
I think I've swam in in like water in like January ice, like middle
of winter, one or two times. The coldest water I think I've ever
been in is like fifty degree water. Yeah, this was definitely clorally that.
Yeah, I've never been anything colder than that, Like spring water is
really about as cold as I want to get enough sixty eight, that's fine.
Adams spent the Winner of seventeen ninety five to seventeen ninety six in London,
where he met his future wife. What was her name, Louisa Catherine
Johnson. Lisa Catherine Johnson got it, the second daughter of American merchant Joshua
Johnson. They did not immediately take to one another. Well that's her problem,
is it? In the seventeen hundreds, yeah, sure, both had
previously expressed interest in other potential partners. Okay, oh, actually that was
That was a scene in John Adams in the show Quincy was just banging some
poor check I think, and it was like the love of his life,
yep. And John Adams is like, you can't, na, you have
a chance to be somebody you cannot be banging, can't be with a poor
yeah, And and he regretted that kind of the rest of his life.
Well because he ends up with this girl. Guess what, buddy, you
marry it poor. Then your writings that are so important, the most important
in human history, they're fucking useless. I'm gonna go out on the limit
say they'd never or never will be the most important human history. No,
I think they're top five. Why. I think it's everything Jesus wrote in
the Bible. I don't you don't believe it. I don't care what you
list. You don't believe this, just continue to end. You're fine just
because Jesus notoriously wrote so much. Yeah, always, always with a quill
and piece of parchment papyrus. That's why it says the Bible by Jesus.
Yeah, New Testament by Jesus Christ. Oh, that'd be a funny thing
to go stamp on bibles. That would be funny. Oh dude, if
you did like about the author, or you just signed every Bible Jesus Christ.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like you do like, oh,
it's the first edition signed Jesus, he signed it. WHOA, Then you
just get struck by lightning and hit by a car. I would want liking
about the author with a picture of Jesus, like looking off into the distance.
Yeah, just like Jesus Christ, Jesus God, Jesus Nazareth was born
too, born to Mary, a virgin at the time. They ultimately got
together because of the prestige of both families and kind of grew fond of each
other's talents. Adams in particular, I think it's the type of marriage where
you're just like, it could be worse. Yeah, he liked Johnson's kind
of knowledge of music, and she sang a bunch and he ultimately grew to
hate that. The singing the thing that he liked. Initially, he was
just like, I can't be in the room with her. Hear me out
on miss poor Girl or whatever. But he still likes it. She's smart
and shit like that, well educated. Yeah, okay, hear me out.
He's not in love with poor girl. He's infatuated with poor girl.
He likes and he hasn't had a chance to live with poor girl too.
But when he is making references about Latin and she's like, oh, no,
no, know about that, mister, Well you get your slaughtering this
sole whenever you look. Your girl was in America though, But it's it's
fine, it's it's all the same. Yeah at this point, and this
girl is technically American living in England. Who Luisa, Okay, yeah,
yeah, But I'm just saying like, eventually that's just low class, Like
you know, she's gonna be like, oh, slop foot Regon, and
then he's gonna be like, oh my god, my god, my dad
was right. Oh my god, man rocks for breakfast again. We'll check
it out too. Quincy kind of gets duped here because maybe she's not so
wealthy. Oh maybe she's also a poor girl. Oh no, how tragic
for him. Maybe she's kind of playing him. I also don't think he
Some dudes just want a cheerleader. Some dudes don't care about the conversation with
their wife. Yeah. Well, Big John and Abigail disapproved of his decision
to marry a woman who grew up in England, but he informed his parents
that he would not reconsider his decision. Adams initially wanted to delay the wedding
until he returned to the United States, but they married in the All Halloes
by the Tower on July twenty six, seventeen ninety seven. Shortly after the
wedding, Joshua Johnson, her father, fled England to escape his creditors.
Oh no, and Adams did not receive the dowry that Johnson had promised him.
Oh but he's already married. M hm. Oh so you didn't even
get You got to get that dowry before you signed those papes. Can you
believe we got married at a time post dowry? Regret it every day?
I like I could have had at least one cow like something. He'd be
into that. I would be the cow in your backyard. Oh my god,
dag out. Just if I had one dairy cow in my backyard.
Can you imagine I would be making so much shit? Oh yeah, making
ice cream butter every time I showed up at your place, that have just
dairy products for you. After this, to go back to Prussia, and
then we're gonna jump ahead to eighteen two, when Adams was elected to the
Massachusetts Senate. He tried running for the US House of Representatives in November,
but lost, luckily for Quincy. The Massachusetts legislator elected him to the US
Senate soon after. Yeah, so I think at that point Senate races were
not statewide popular vote. Oh, they're just picking people the legislator. Legislature
was picking people the check it out for like most of his career. The
popular vote doesn't really mean anything. Yeah, probably right, So he holds
it down for five years. Uh. Six years later, President Madison appointed
him Minister to Russia. After that, he became Secretary of State under President
James Monroe. In fact, he was one of the most accomplished Secretary of
States for his era and maybe of all time. He actually shaped them on
road doctrine, Oh ship, it was him whoa Monroe kind of just stamped
his name on it. But this was Quincy's a little bit. I mean,
you know, it's like giving Look, we all know Andy Reid,
great offensive mind, right, but a lot of the a lot of his
stuff at this point it's the oc is doing it, or like Nick Saban,
great defensive mind, but like it was Kirby Smart crafting a lot of
that type of stuff, you know what I mean. Like it because at
some point you're the CEO. Yeah, I recognize you. Now you're not
calling the plays, yeah right, you're assembling a super team. I wonder
how many secretary of States have become president. Actually it's a good question.
It's less than you think. I would think. It's I would think you'd
count it on one hand. Uh. So Jefferson was one as well.
It was pretty early on. It was like it was like the springboard.
Yeah yeah, yeah, six Jefferson, Madison, and Monroe. So yeah,
holy shit. So there hasn't been one since games Buchanan. That sounds
right. It was Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, John Quincy, Adams,
and Van Buren. Probably because that was Clinton. Part of the Secretary of
State curse wasn't a VP. Uh, there was a gap between center and
everything, like I think secretary of State. Do you think so Buchanan put
the sting there? Yeah? Clinton, Hillary Clinton had the Buchanan curse.
Who's the most recent one that's run Clinton? I think Hillary Clinton? Who
is the secretary of State for Trump? A lot of people and oh yeah,
they always kept they kept it was I think the first one was Rex
Tillerson. Maybe was that? Fuck was Scaramucci one too? He was Press
secretary, Press secretary, that's right, he got he was revolving. He
had some generals or wasn't the last one that Kelly or the Marine general something
like no, no, but uh, anyway, he had a lot of
secretaries to state. The other recent on. So under Bush, it was
Colon Pound Connolly's a Rice. Under Obama it was Hillary Clinton and then John
Kerry, who ran for president but was not Secretary of State until afterwards.
It's yeah, it's funny you bring up Trump, though, because we're about
to get to a character that has a lot of Trump qualities, or maybe
Trump has a lot of his qualities. Oh yeah, the original populist of
course. Oh we'll get to it. Emerson, No, no, just
wait, just wait, I'll feed you. I'll feed you, baby boy.
Oh the order from Nebraska William Jennings, Bryan Nope. Quincy also negotiated
the Adam's o'nie Treaty, which allowed the US to acquire Florida. Hell yeah,
but check it out. The reason we were able to do this was
because a man just kind of went yolo, I'm taking it. And that
man was Andrew Jackson. Hell yeah, that's about right. Who he comes
a really giant like fucking thorn in the side of Quincy. So Quincy was
the sixth president. When was he president again? Because Jackson was president in
the twenty four twenty eight he was one term like his dad. Quincy was,
so who followed him Jackson, right, m and you know why because
he was like, fuck Quincy yep, yep, A lot of mudslinging,
a lot of a lot of ugliness between Jackson and Quincy. Love that.
Do you think he just called him some alliterative mean nickname. Click, I've
heard Quincy, Yeah, Jackson, Jackson's a cowboy Quincy queer Quincy queer Quincy.
I don't think weird means weird back then? Right? He that works
too? That actually does work? Yeah? I mean, haven't they like,
I know this is more modern here, but it has gone as far
as they just called the Santas gay in a roundabout way at this point,
hasn't he kind of said that now about the Santas who knows he's nothing tops
calling Ted Cruz's wife ugly and then and then him working the phones the next
week? Oh boy, how do you you miss me with? In Texas?
You can't be talking about a man's wif a that it's actually can I
guess he can. Turns out you can. You can do whatever you want
and the state will elect that man state again happily. If I was writing
against tickers, that's the only thing, that's the only ad out run.
Do you trust this man too? Like heotballs to support you when he can't
even support his fucking It is so funny though, how everyone over reacts with
Trump and then it's just like there's so many parallels to Andrew Jackson, except
Andrew Jackson actually served, not just served killed. Yeah. No, he
was a big time figure. I mean battle New Orleans and we'll kind of
yeah, like we'll get to that. Trump talks tough, Andrew Jackson backs
every ounce of what he says up. Yeah, Donald Trump's a giant coward.
Yeah, he's a pussy. Yeah. Andrew Jackson was kind of like
a mixed I know, he's a mixed though, between like Trump and maybe
like Patent. Yeah. I think that's that's fair. Yeah, he and
I think by the time Jackson died, he had like something like something stupid,
like a dozen bullets in his body. So that was right. When
he was twelve, during the American Revolution, he tried to fight a British
officer and that British officer slashed him in the face with the sword. He
almost got assassinated, but I think the gun jammed and then he beat the
man. Want to be assassin with a cane. Yeah, how do you
not just like die of lead poison? We'll have to do an entire episode
on Old Hickory. But Andrew Jackson's he's pretty prominent in this episode, so
I think we'll cover him just enough. I would love the ultimate presidential death
matches Jackson and Teddy Roosevelt in a cage to the death, both in the
prime of their Yeah, I would actually be a fun little Uh was that
MTV show Just Celebrity? That was good. I think Jackson wins just because
he's meaner. He is meaner like like he Jackson's a cont There are stories
about Jackson meet him with some of I believe the Cherokee Nation and he talked
one on one with their leader and the guy came out crying, Like Jackson
made this dude cry. How what do you say? I think something along
the lines of just we're gonna we're gonna wipe you out. You're subhuman and
we don't care. He's like, this is this is nothing to me?
You are you are gum on my shoe. Yeah, but that's for a
future Andrew Jackson episode. Oh boy, I mean that's the type of thing.
It's hard to cram into one. That guy is Jackson. Yeah,
and it is. There's there are some like really like cool things that happened
to Andrew Jackson, especially when he gets inaugurated, because he's the cheesiest inauguration
ever. No, he literally invites everyone to the White House for the party.
He throws a party. He has to sneak out of the house,
but people are there for days. They like shit on the floor, They're
fucking each other. It's it's like a giant party. No, he leaves.
He trees the first like low class like person to get in the White
House is the first plub that ever win that off. He also, at
one point in New Orleans after the War of eighteen twelve, just declares martial
law and becomes King of New Orleans. That's cool, and just jails anyone
that like goes against it. Yeah, I mean until you get things done.
You know, the things that we all hate about dictatorships, the one
thing they do well is efficiency cut ye kind of No, they don't know.
It's it's very efficient at making decisions. I guess, No, it's
not. You guess they are efficient at making the decisions might not be efficient,
but they are made efficiently. All right, fair enough. Actually,
if you want to see a great portrayal of Andrew Jackson, this is like
such a such perfect ca thing that it could never be topped. Uh.
There's a movie about the Battle of New Orleans. Man, I'm blanking on
the title it used to be. It's Oh, it's called The Buccaneer anyway.
Ader Jackson is played by Charlton Heston. Oh God, that's perfect,
like, isn't it though? H? And he plays it just as grumpy
as you'd fucking expect. Back to Quincy, though, Yeah, he also
worked with the English on a joint occupation deal of Oregon, got a lot
done as Secretary of State. He then ran for president in eighteen twenty four.
However, he was crushed by General Andrew Jackson in both the popular and
electoral votes, but received more than William H. Crawford and Henry Clay,
and since no candidate had a majority of electoral votes, the election was decided
among the top three by the House of Representatives, which is still the law.
Clay, who favored the program similar to Adams, threw his critical support
behind him, and that is how Quincy became president. So that would still
be the case if neither Trump or Biden got a majority of electoral vote,
they didn't hit that magic number of like what two fifty five and it goes
to the house. Nico's the house. Oh and this was the og stop
the steal. Yeah, because Jackson was the most popular man in America at
this point, like he he had he crushed all three candidates. But he
I guess he just didn't get the mistreads. Was winning battles in the War
of Aging twelve, was winning battles against Indians. He had so many battles
against Indians. What he had so many battle against Indian? Yeah, I
mean, like hughese proponent of slavery. This guy was everything America wanted at
that point in time. He was a cowboy. Yep, cowboy before their
were cowboy. Yeah. He was soone telling you, you know what,
everything that's pretty bad that we do that makes us greater, fuck it,
I say we do it? Yeah, Like yeah, I'm I'm gonna go
out and say I don't care lean into it. I'm tired of acting like
I don't want to do it. Now. Granted, he did a lot
of actually like very impressive and good things as president and just in his life
in general. But also yeah, but that's a whole other episode anyway.
So Quincy never actually gets much done while in office because a lot of guys
that are kind of loyal to Jackson get elected into the Senate and House of
Representatives and just kind of block anything he does. Yeah, so Quincy was
all potential, never lived up to any of it. We're just kind of
kind of cover some fun little fact toys I found about him while he was
in office. He was an avid swimmer and he had a daily fitness regiment
where he hopped into the Potomac every morning. He actually almost drowns. Yeah,
it's a fucking river. It moves, it's not a pond. Not
a good dude. Some guy three months after he was sworn into being president,
by the way, some guy in Saint Louis or near in Missouri just
drowned because the part of the missipe River was frozen and two of his four
fucking corgies ran onto the ice and he ran after them to get him,
and all three of them drowned. Oh god, because did he fall into
the water. Yeah, And the Mississippi moves, moves, and it's fucking
big. Yeah, so it's moving under the ice still. Yeah, yeah,
that's crazy, not frozen to the bottom. Yeah, you don't know.
At fifty eight years old, Adams could reportedly swim the width of the
potomach within an hour. So he was a strong swimmer. But I think
one day the current was a little too strong, little too much. He
was tired. Yeah, but he made it, didn't die. Quincy was
also the first president to install a billiard's table at the White House. That's
a bro move, right for that. That's very cool. He noted in
his diary that it was both a resource of exercise and amusement. Okay,
that's a reach on the first one. Maybe like mental exercise. There's no
exercise involving. He liked to play billiards before bed. Anything that's not exercise,
then I'm sorry. Yeah, although this was an unpopular take in America
at this point. Billiards was it seen as like a dirty, dirty gambling
Yeah, yeah, dirty gambling game. That'd be like, uh if you
put in just like a big buck hunter, no light, it's like w
just like, yeah, I gotta get my big buck hunter and before I
go to bed every day. Oh man, I'll never forget. Did you
guys ever have that app? Fuck I remember the name of it, But
there was an app run by Fun of Your Die where you could pitch jokes
for money two different like websites and stuff like that, and it was really
cool. I made like maybe twenty dollars on it, ever, but it
was just fun to like pitch jokes on it, mostly one liners and shit.
It was like if TFM had ever done, it would be the type
of thing where it's like you just pitch TFMO and one of it was like
rejected bar bar Games and I was just like, I was proud of it.
I don't even know it's funny, but I still like it to this
day. It was, uh, what was it? Big buck Hunter?
Just buck hunter, big buck Hunter, big buck Hunter, stray dog Safari
straight just in Oklahoma. Yeah, you just go around the city popping docs.
No, it's the Russian Olympics. Also that it's it's true. Unfortunately,
I was like I didn't didn't get a lot of oats. I was
like, come on, straight dog Safari. Now. Adam's also had an
exotic animal that he kept at the White House. Oh hell yeah in the
east room. I'm gonna let you guess what do you think you had?
What do you think he had in the east room? He kept it in
the bathtub. He kept it in a bathtub. Platypus, That sounds right,
No, uh sea otter speak more American, more American in a bathroom.
Oh a beaver? Mm hmm, I'm out, uh bear. He
had a pet alligator. Alligator? Hell yeah, brother, go geiter geiters.
Fuck you're wearing a gator's hat. I know. And he also is
the reason behind having an alligator. It was both a gift from I'm the
Marquise de Lafayette, but also he just likes seeing his guests flee from terror.
Yeah, say, hey, use the bathroom in the east room.
You liked fucking with people with Congress Saint letting you do anything you gotta pass
the time somehow. Yeah, raising a gator and using it to terrify people.
It's like, literally, I was inaugurated as a lame duck, so
I'm gonna just have fun playpool. Let's get to the elephant in the room.
Jake's Lye, Jake's Lye. Mole people. How did John Quincy Adams
become associated with the mole people theory? I don't know clearly. Well,
it's because he kind of was a proponent of this expedition to the Southern Oceans
led by former follower of Sims Jeremiah and Reynolds, but only after Reynolds abandoned
the hollow Earth idea. So there is a connection to hollow Earth through Reynolds.
But he was out on it already. He was like, you have
to admit that's fucking stupid, and I will I will fund this expedition.
Quincy said that. Yeah. So Quincy had no part in wanting to go
to the middle of the Earth for mole commerce. No, he wanted to
go to the polls, just to go, just to go the age of
Yeah, I mean it is quite honestly, the poles are the most useful
positions as far as geopolitics are concerned. He was interested in exploring the South
Pole, and you know, we might find oil there one day, we
might find a lot of stuff there one day. In fact, he frees,
mole people didn't even come into existence until the twentieth century, so so
he was not alive. Where did this come from? Then? This was
the Internet. I believe it was a cracked video from like a decade ago.
That was just like he believes the mole people. Uh huh, I
probably saw it on a BuzzFeed list. Yeah that got probably saw it on
Cracked. I probably did see it on Cracked man. So unfortunately now Quincy
was not a believer in the mole pole. Hey, what's gonna be fun
though, is we're not going to clip me admitting that I was. We
also never posted it. I don't think we just bring it up on Here
a lot. Oh, we never posted it. We didn't post it on
IG, but it was. I mean, you did say it on the
show. I did say it on the show, and I have it.
There's a story of me saying that somewhere. M hmm, there's a clip.
I watched it. Uh. I get a lot of history stuff served
me on TikTok, and I watched one the other day about prohibition and this
woman who was a history teacher went out of a way to have a little
caption that said, no, the income tax is not from you know,
for provision sometimes, and I was like, huh, it probably wasn't because
of us, but clearly a lot of people maybe somebody heard it. Yeah,
I mean he got shared by uh Rob Wriggle, So Oopsie, Daisy,
Sorry, Hey. You know when I said Rob Wriggle looked like a
dick. That's fine, he's Kansas fan. You know what, at the
end of the day, I never thought I'd have that kind of influence,
So who knew who? I kind of get why people lie. Now it's
like it's way better, it gets more engagement. That's and that's on who's
fault. Who's fault is that. It's not mine. It's not my fault.
It's the algorithm unless you start doing it on purpose. I would never
I would never be wrong on purpose. I will I will say that right
confidently. Because here's the thing, like any any clip, if you see
a clip of a person, like a news person or something, and that
persons saying something that's crazy to you, and you're fucking furious, and you've
got to type underneath it like this is wrong and you're wrong and bad,
I would believe this is bad. As a variation of that, you've helped
them, and you've helped spread the lie. Well, the public being a
just a in general, a wasp nest that an algorithm can rattle, you
can rattle, and what happens is when you poke the wasps nests. All
the wasps get angry, but then money falls out the bottom. They don't
actually sting you. They just the wasps swear at you. They say you're
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The presidential election of eighteen twenty eight, not be necessarily because of it anything
funny happening, but just kind of the parallels of shit don't change, love
that always love a good shit don't change. So Quincy runs up against Andrew
Jackson again, gets ugly quick Jackson, of course. Uh, Quincy goes
after him for being dumb yeap, being a retard yeap? Did he use
the word more or less? That's fantastic more or less? Like he's just
like this guy has no education as fucking backwoods redneck ass goes after Jackson's wife
calls her a dirty black wench, not because she's black, but because,
uh so, Jackson ends up with his wife before she gets divorced from her
ex husband. Jackson's a home wrecker. Well, he wrecked thousands of home
Yeah, there were tens hundreds of thousands of hopes were wrecked by Jackson.
He only did one with his penis that we know of. Here is the
ship don't change moment, Andrew Jackson. What do you think he calls Quincy
gay? No, a bitch, A sex trafficker? No way, God,
He calls like he like for whores. Basically, he claims while he
was over allivantin over in Europe and in Russia that he was constantly getting the
sexual services from the czar and he was constantly moving when interesting, so he
was just like flipping prosties. It really doesn't change at all, never changed.
The sex trafficker accusation has been around forever. I for one, am
fine with diminishing the importance of calling someone a pedophile or a sex trafficker.
I don't think there's any negative downside to calling every single fucking person you don't
like the worst thing you can call them. Yeah, yeah, a child
raping immediately escalating to a lapper on everything, Yeah you do. It's yeah,
it's the equivalent of I have a gun in every uh improv scene.
Yeah, Like, you can't just escalate to this. There's nowhere to left
to go after you call someone a pediasque fucking sex trafficker, well you call
you can call you that guy genocidal. Check it out. It wears Jackson
steam rolls them. It's not even close. Well that didn't work. He
should he steamrolled him the first time. You know, I never thought about
this, but if it's true that like a pedophile cabal runs the world,
are they doing that bad of a job all things considered? No foul separate
myself from this take. I'm gonna set this one out. No, it's
clearly a joke, but I'm saying, like, what does it look like
otherwise? Yeah, I know what it's like when someone says like, Okay,
let's say they are running the world. That's like the same thing as
someone meaning like I'm tired of man running. They wear they made it so
bad, Like, what do you mean, it's like the best it's ever
been Yeah, it's constantly improving, diseases are cured. Hunger's fucking fault fell
off a cliff, Poverty fell off a cliff. That all happened before we
started electing women. What are you so mad about? So? No,
no, I'm not. I'm actually distancing myself from Rob's take. Right now,
I'm sticking with my The cabal isn't that bad take? We're gonna move
on, I don't. I think we should stick out. I hate any
take where people are like, the world is awful right now. I know
it's actually the best ever been. Yeah, convince yourself. I just think
people are want to be angry at something, so the events bad. I
don't even think it's that. I think people just have this idea of self
importance where the time they live in. Yes, it is either the best
or worst or it can't be just fine. It can't just be fine.
I can't be just in the middle. Literally, every generation thinks that the
apocalypse is going to happen their generation. But that's how could the oldest time.
We're on the tail end of America, man, we're just we're on
the downswing of it. You know, Just shut the fuck up, you
don't know. No one knows. That's the thing about it. No one
knows who are the next world powers? America. Yeah, no, I
heard China and russ are in trouble. They're not even seeing them for decades.
But so Quincy almost gets a sense of relief after losing the election.
In his own words, the four years were the most miserable of his life.
About that, minus the alligator hijinks and the pool and theo well what
pool? He's screwed to the river billiards. Oh yeah, the billiards and
the Alligan. That's really it. But Adams being kind of you know,
he always fiend for some type of relevance and self importance. Couldn't just stay
out of the limelight for too long. He ends up in the House again.
Keep He's actually the only US president to go back to the House of
Representatives. So he has been a Senator, a Secretary of State, president,
congressman, ambassador, he's been an ambassador. He's done it all.
He's god damn, he had a pretty accomplishment. Kind of ran the gauntlet.
Yeah. So Adams served seventeen more years in the House of Representatives,
where he started to hammer his biggest regret not doing as president, and that
is slavery. In fact, he campaigned and was constantly censured for speaking out
against slavery. It's crazy. They were centuring, well, you can't even
say the word slave inside the house. There's a gag rule. Oh,
just don't even bring it up. But he ended up getting the gag rule
reversed because he argued, because he's a lawyer, that it was in a
breach of the First Amendment, which was is sick. So it wasn't because
of people thinking that you should. It wasn't like any type of like you
know, moment of clarity or morality. It's just like, oh no,
this is actually against the constitution. Yeah. There's a good scene in Amistad.
I think it's an Amistad where they portray John C. Calhoun, who's
like one of the biggest psychos in American history, the most pro slavery person
that you could possibly have. He was the guy who came up with what
they call slavery. They basically called slavery necessary evil, something along those lines.
And so to be like, I know, I agin twitter back then,
Yeah, right, everyone was like I know, I know it's bad,
but it's like a necessary evil, and John Calhoun was like, fuck
that shit. You know what, it's the opposite of that. It's a
positive good. He's literally coined the phrase, like for exclavery, it's a
positive good. So we are we are domesticating these Africans when they get closer
to the Civil War. He's a fucking lunatic. There was an argument the
South would always make that, well, at least we treat our slaves well.
And everyone you hired, these irishmen, these Italians, they're getting paid
dirt and you're killing them. Yeah, like you're That was the South's argument
was that, oh no, you're not doing it better. You're literally killing
people. They can leave. Yeah, i mean once you get there,
you're kind of stuck. You gotta really make a call, like are you
going are you staying in New York, You're going to Minnesota. Which,
again, John, I'm not making this argument. I'm telling you this.
Yeah, yeah, the pro South, I'm this ward I'm sure. Oh,
but the scene in Amistad is Calhoun's just like looks like a psycho and
he's like, fucking piece the fuck out if you try to take our slaves.
Basically like just lunatic speaking of the Amistad, John Quincy Adams represented the
captives that petition for freedom before the Supreme Court, and so you never saw
this movie. I'm nowhere the Amistad. So they overthrow the boat and they
get to shore, and essentially he it goes all the way to the Supreme
Court and he has to argue not off the merits that they're human beings,
but that the people that bought them ain't got the receipts. That's you gotta
play lawyer ball if you're going to be a lawyer. That's the type of
thing that drives me crazy when I see a lot of people complaining about I'm
trying to look up who played complaining about like certain arguments made in cases that
are like popular and stuff like that, and it's like, dude, it's
this. They're not making the case for twitter. There's actual laws if you
like. So, I'm just it's like, do you want do you want
them to win or do you want them to just like be feel morally superior?
Yeah, oh dude, because you want them to win. Believe the
job of the lawyers to win. Yeah. No, It's like when people,
uh, god, there's this case that's kind of popular right now.
They did a documentary on it about this you know little person that was a
child that got her age switched. Yeah, you know what I'm talking about.
Have you heard about that one? Yeah, it's really fucked up.
But people like, they tried to get the dad for a neglect and abuse
and the state couldn't do that, and they just dropped the charges on the
mom after that, and people like, why are they going after the mother?
It's like, do you know how many people would just lose their jobs
if they wasted state money on a case they just lost and tried to retry
it on a different person. Right, It's like, what do you think
is this isn't for moral morality here? It's like it's a court is a
venue. But yeah, that's it. You got to do the things you
have to do there so he gets them off. They become free men.
Also, the I was surprised to even need the receipts argument because the transitantic
slave trade was like illegal. Yeah, the British were using a lot of
uh effort and resources to fight it. You could not importing slaves to the
United States was illegal, dude, I'm sure it was illegal, but was
it common practice, that was it socially accepted. I mean people would literally
there would be man hunters that would go up to the north and just get
their slaves back, even if they would take free men, people that were
never slaves and just bring them down I believe twelve years. No, I
know what I'm saying. It was it was common I guess, but I
don't know what the volume was because it was fairly policed, Like it was
pretty decently policed. Yeah, at this point they know it's wrong too.
Oh yeah, they know what's we hear. It's not like, oh,
it was a different time. No, Like even then, they fucking knew.
There is a quote from a slave owner. I think they talk about
it in ken Burton's Civil War in the documentaries where they where I heard it.
There's some slave voters like have a paraphrase, but he was like,
I'd literally rather be fucking hell than be one of the slaves out in that
field. Oh yeah, absolutely, No. I mean the idea that like
one day someone just woke up was like, wait a minute, we should
treat these people nicely, like that people they were very well made by people.
Yeah, like that. I don't think anyone was like that's property r
at that naive to what was happening. Yeah, and a kind of found
note on John Adams during a vote on February twenty first, eighteen forty eight,
after giving a speech, a anti slavery speech, John Adams collapsed at
his desk in front of the House. Fellow representatives, who held the former
president in high regard, rushed to his aid. They swiftly relocated the allen
eighty year old to the rotunda for a bit of fresh air. Then they
moved to a more private location. He entered Acoma, and he died just
two days after a stroke. And weirdly, like we mentioned, actually a
true story from last week, one of his pallbears was one Abraham Lincoln.
Well, a young Abraham Lincoln who was a big fan of his. I'm
glad he got to see us get like Californian and stuff win the Mexican War.
Yeah. Well, he was actually one of the proponents against the Mexicans.
I'm sure he was a very liberal position and at that time very am
well because in part because they were afraid it was gonna spread slavery, so
they didn't want to add more land areas where you could have slaves, although
also was against like Thomas Paine and the revolutions in like England and France,
against Thomas Pain really early on, like he was right. He would write
under like a pseudonym and just start trashing Thomas Pain. That's why, I
mean the revelation in France was fucking trash and chaos anyway, so that's not
His whole argument was if this can to us, the cycles continue, it'll
just spread into America and that's the lesson they need. Yeah, but yeah,
he was kind of a you know, well versed, pretty chill dude
all things considered, kind of a douche with what he thought of himself.
Had a high regard for himself. I mean, but to be fair,
looking at his track record, like good resume, Yeah, it's hard not
to feel that way. Kind of unlikable though, Yeah, it's like not
a good hang. I'm the best hand you can see that. Honestly his
I don't know if his, but like he he got what he wanted with
the slavery not spreading, and the territories we got from Mexico because they really
didn't like Texas. We already had so slave were already there that wasn't part
of the Mexican American War. What we got mostly the West, like California,
New Mexico, Arizona, stuff like that. There was a little slavery
there, but like nothing of note, nothing, nothing so notable that and
they weren't states, so that was a big thing. They were afraidies,
right, they were afraid of more slave representation coming into Congress and stuff like
that. I guess kind of the biggest accomplishment he made as US president was
he built a lot of roads and canals, so he was trying to connect
the continent infrastructure US. I mean, connecting the US is just still one
of the most amazing things we've ever done as a country. But you're never
you're never gonna get props for doing doing the little things. Yeah, you
know, no, I mean, like our interstate systems probably the greatest in
the world, you know, Ike, Ike, Yeah, Yeah, I
guess you know. I learned today that once again I was wrong. That's
what I learned. It's a good lesson I learned. Takes a big man
to admit that. Oh yeah, absolutely. I you know what, for
everyone at home, I'm sorry I told you that, John Quincy, But
everybody else thought that too. I think it's because that cracked video. You
make something go viral and all of a sudden, it's just facts. Yeah,
that's honestly, that's on me. I done my research. I didn't
because I wanted to believe that. I didn't fight back either. I heard
that too. Yeah, I sorry. I wanted to believe it. I
really wanted that to be true. Who's to say it's not? And you
know I didn't say even though more people didn't come into the public discourse until
the nine nineteen hundreds, you know what I learned today. Honestly, he
basically wrote them on road doctrine. Jaquincy Adams is one of the most influential
people in US foreign policy history. It's wild and he got Florida, and
he got Florida, and he got Florida by the aid of Andrew Jackson Yollowen.
It's like, we're gonna take this. But he is like, Saminel
Country, we got that, get to go. He is like, I'm
trying to think of a dude who was like, oh uh. He's like
the Gus Malzon to gene Chiswicks National Championships. It's good comparison. Yes,
who's hitler Andrew Jackson? The electoral system honestly robbing Andrew Jackson of his rightful
victory in eighteen twenty four. That was a stolen election. You want to
you want to yell about stolen elections? That eighteen twenty four is pretty bad.
Oh something I forgot to mention, uh head of the Electoral College that
that year during the stolen election, man from Kentucky, Uh Andrew Jackson Battle
of New Orleans called out Kentuckians for being pussies. Oh really, and that
man did not forget. That's really funny. So a little common connection there.
Maybe the reason got flipped. I don't know. Maybe if he didn't
talk shit about Kentucky doesn't help Quincy never becomes president. Yeah, it doesn't
help. But anyway, so I got today. Thanks for tuning in,
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