Hello, ladies and gentleman, and welcome to the five hundred and eighty ninth
episode of The Geek First Podcast. I'm the clown Prince of Eggnog. Trust
now I'm joined by Dylan Moss. That's Muss. Yes, it is a
it's a good old duo newscast. I don't think this hasn't happened since we
have done a weekly Geek or something. Because it was US four and Theo's
like, Tato's going to town. I think Friday. Yeah, he least,
actually no, I'm back, and it's like, I can't do that.
Okay, fine, curriculum. He was the first one to respond.
He's like, mold down, let's do it, and then schoolwork and stuff
like that. You know, but that that's fine. We don't need them
really, you know, they don't. They have nothing to add to desk
stranding. That might be a bit much. I think we're pretty flexible here
if a couple, if one or two guys drop out, you know,
there will still be two of us here till the end of time. I
think we're kind of the way I've There's been many iterations I fake, especially
after retro. Now I feel like we're much like the X Men team and
the X Men ninety seven. Oh yeah, yeah, we're like rogue will
just be gone for six episodes in right, yeah yeah, Or there's there's
also like a big team up episode and that's like a big review or something
like that, or like the video game Wars, like oh, we're all
come together, but then something like happens and they get taken out somewhere.
So it is. It is a lot like because I feel like even an
X Men, you know, you'll have like I feel like there was a
time where me and you were doing tons of duo cast reviews and news.
We still like do side quest stuff, but even that's not super often.
But yeah, I feel like there's there's kind of ebbs and flows of gig
first podcast over eight years now that that kind of happens, that does happen.
Yeah, it's crazy, but yeah, no, we're it's a little
PROMPTU newscast because the next few weeks it's a lily a lidiation that doesn't make
that lidiation is like a law thing. I don't know what I'm all conjocted.
There is a law related thing in our topics tonight, So maybe that's
there is. Unfortunately there is yeah litigation going on. Yeah, litigation,
that's if it doesn't even work for what I was saying and stuff like that.
So I was gonna say, uh yeah, no, it's because the
next week there'll be some stuff because I know you got a side quest pre
recorded, ye, and then I'll probably do a trast told you on the
Auckamand box office because I'm very curious about that because it's it's not looking too
hot, so I'm always excited to see it in the discord. Yeah,
apparently everyone's sharing pictures of their theaters and there's no one in those seats.
Yeah. Well, Kirklin had a good joke today. He bought his ticket
and he's like, oh, it's doubled since I last got it, and
there because there's only two tickets bought, so there's two. Yeah, I'm
pretty yeah, he's not wrong. I'll take a look. But I think,
uh, I think we're rocking. Like a full six people in the
first showing of the night is crazy, you know. I for some reason,
I didn't expect it to blow up like the first one did. Billion
dollar movie, but that's quite a seperior. It's it's very It's like Captain
Marvel right from a billion dollar movie too. I don't know how much did
that movie make, like three hundred dollars or something. The people that have
bought their tickets, they are two rows behind us that they're gone, right,
I told the ticket right now. It's just that's me Kirk Taylor right
there, because they still they got rid of their ticket. That's I don't
see that very often. Wow. I hope that'd be a great experience to
have, like just us three watching Awkamen, because I'm expecting an all right
time. But yeah, I know, and it's funny because like I know,
we'll talk probably more about this in the new year when we do our
draft and stuff. But yeah, it's a private screening. Oh, I
suppose got the right nerd. Where a litany, A litany is a good
job, right? What is the what is the definition of a litany?
Is just like a lot I think several things, maybe something like that series
of petitions for use in church services on a tedious recital repetitive series of repetitive
repetition. It works, but I feel like it's taking a new meaning in
this. Yeah, I was gonna say I feel like, I'm not the
only one that's heard that, but I've I've definitely adopted that. But no,
it's kind of it's crazy because we can't just say because we were talking
about on the Acaman predictions where the domestic made three hundred million but the internationals
eight hundred million, so international really cared that market. But even in China,
it opened up there yesterday and it had a five million dollar opening,
but the first one had a twenty three million dollars. So it's not like,
oh, in North America thing, it's just like everywhere where. It's
just things changed between like COVID in general just changed everything, like life and
rules and stuff like that. We don't have this at the top. One
hungred Iggy says, what are your thoughts on WBD buying paramount. I think
we'll talk about that when it gets more further along, because right now it's
just the talks. But that's how the Microsoft thing happened, the Disney Fox
thing happened, and Warner brother last time they got bought by Discovery, So
I think it is in the talks. I'm always in the camp of I'm
not always for just a bunch of big studios like, I know, there's
always that goo joke that like Google, Microsoft and Apple will own everything one
day, and I feel like the more movie studios we lose, that happens,
and we just also lose like variety, you know. I think that
that's why we cheer for like the A twenty fours and the Neons like making
parasite. Like that's my worry is the more there is or I guess the
less studio options are are just the less variety we could get and giving me
the curse. So uh, as far as I'm concerned, they're crushing it
and they don't need to be bought. What DC character would you put cast
Nathan Fielder as? Oh Ship? I wish I had. I wish I
had a deeper knowledge of DC characters. What Justice League care? Actually know
what I'm gonna actually, I won't want to. Yeah, that's what I
was gonna say. It has to be Joker, right, Joker? I
feel like, who's a character who's just like very socially like a social paria
exit I mean, I guess Joker is sort of a social parrior. I
got I was singing more of the awkward one. You haven't seen him yet.
I hope you get to see him at some point. There's a batman
Ville named the ventuol Quist and he has a puppet named Scarface, and the
whole thing is that he he pretends that the puppets alive, but he's really
a and he's a really shy, awkward guy. But he pretends the pot
the puppet is alive and he's a mob boss. So we could get Nathan
doing the voice of the puppet and he can play like this, he can
play like the shy, like awkward guy. So I feel like that's the
two roles with him because he's very versatile. So well, because you mentioned
him and I looked up this character like, well, Naman Fielder looks as
nothing like Yes, of course ventriloquis guy, but no, I could see
him playing the puppet. Yeah, we can take that out right, Like
that doesn't matter. We changed look and everything. So no, we we'll
talk about in the new year when we rate our top shows. But at
the curse has got me on. I'm on Dylan's Nathan Fielder band awake,
and Dylan'll always get recommended to me. And I just need that one thing
to get me in and that's Emma Stone, she got me in and now
watched all Nathan for you and oh, I've caught up last episode, new
episode more and I think there should be a new episode to Moore. I'm
worried with the Christmas break if the skip are they for sure show skip a
week with the Christmas stuff, But I hope not that's true. I'm hoping
it's a bit. It's too early for that to be the issue. But
also, like, do you know how many episodes it is? I think
it's ten. It's a full ten, which I think it's funny. Yeah,
which is funny because they kept talking about like they had a ten series
orders. I feel like there's kind of like some sort of fourth wall thing
going on there, you know with the show. I see now Queen,
what is it green Queen? Now you know? Oh yeah, yeah,
the last episode was so good. Oh yeah, it's like myer supposed to
people not watch him and go watch The Curse. It's fantastic. But just
like, I love their doing this whole dynamic now where it's for the other
guy, just making him just look like a complete idiot. Any Safty is
so fucking good and oh yeah, oh yeah, and his look with his
hair and all the rings. He just he feels like like Jesus from The
Big Lebowski has kind of that energy to yeah, it's great, well and
the thing about that, and then he was an Appenheim in this year,
like two completely different roles and stuff. But oh no, I can't remember
the full conversation, but I think there he was talking to something about smoking
again my wife died and like open smoking, no driving, like he was
like he was not on the character doesn't want the person to ask, and
that, Yeah, there's just such people. Because like I was somebody like
I like the first two episodes, but I just felt like they're like a
little too long and I was like, Okay, what's the hook and now
we're in there man, And yeah, Nathan, especially after watching Nathan for
You, I'm kind of surprised how much range the guy has, like in
the acting sphere, like they're two very different stuff and like last week it's
a minus boy again. But when he got mad that lady when she said
you gotta check her, and he's like, watch your bitch chers. Yeah,
they don't want the house anymore. Yeah, it's it's everyone, go
watch it. It's a it's a it's a really good show. He's perfect
as a role in that character of just like everyone kind of beating up on
him, being mean to him. He just takes it and he's like hateable,
but you're like rooting for him at the same time. But yeah,
it's I showed himly because sometimes she thinks the names for you, Shanania gets
there a bit much. But like the point turning the show was that comedy
room one when they go around and he does like that's something click for me,
or was like Okay, I'm like I was in, but like I'm
way more in and that just like he does that so well that that very
awkward making fun of themselves sort of deal. But so rehearsals next I assume
maybe even over the Christmas break. Perhaps it's only six episodes. I think
one season. It's very easy, easy watching that it'll probably when I get
back because one then I'll have the house alone because it Emily kind of likes
it but it's not exactly her bag and then kids around. So I think
January is when the rehearsal. For sure, I'll be I'll be in there.
So yeah, no, no, were you from us here? The
Percy Jacks Show dropped to yesterday. I haven't heard it yet, but not
are hearing great things. I've heard. My timeline has been mixed. I've
the critics wise. People are saying great things, but my timeline is mixed
as far as people I know. But we talked about a few weeks ago.
We don't. Uh, we're not in the Percy Jackson life. I
have no affiliation with it. So sorry, s bubs. Maybe someday,
what character would you like to see? Do Jonathan Major signed DC? I
think we'll talk about that, but I don't think that's gonna be happening at
any point at any time soon. You know, Yeah, No, I
don't like that's a bit comeback story, I guess, but yes, as
don't. We're here, we're gonna talk about some news because, as I
was trying to say, we went on a whole tangent. Next week there
will be trustotal you in side Quest, but that's pretty much shit. And
then the week after that's when we're be getting into like, you know,
twenty twenty twenty four video game preview and movie preview. We did last of
this show, so lots of we're gonna be more like evergreen stuff. I'm
sure if there's like a massive breaking thing like I don't know, Henry Cavill
gets cast as link like, we'll cover it. But most of stuff we're
gonna it's mostly just gonna be some ketchup the adult version, of course,
not the not the child version. Don't you know He's he's always being cast
some stuff, you know, right? Who would be his young link?
If they do like Oakreen of Time thing where there's time travel, Davin Court
sweat the news. Superman just get like the new guy. I don't know
what he looks like, but I I he looks if he's Superman, Yeah,
they look pretty. Or Tom holl in the Easy Go To you know,
yeah, which will could happen, but yeah, yeah, but yeah
go Uh side Quest Game, the Years Line, kirkl and Taylor's are out
there now, so check that out. Uh, there is a Better Watch
Out Christmas retrospective, and there is a Sucker Punch Snyder Punch retro Sucker Punch
Zack Snyer retrospective. Yeah, me and Kirkland will be reviewing that on Friday,
so that'll be tons of fun. And I guess there's already the trailer
dropping for part two to more, which is very odd because the first part's
not even out, so they're dropping the trailer for part two, So I
think I can't watch that. I don't think you said Rebel Moon, by
the way, but you're sorry Rebel Moon. There you go, yeah there,
Yeah, how about this? Don't d H Henry cavill on a kid
body like Chris Evans and Cap. I mean, they didn't get away with
fucking CGI and a mustache off the guys, so I don't think they could
get around with dg AM like that. If the mustache is like the easiest
of CGI, I would imagine. So I don't think that's a good idea.
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the bulk of this, We're gonna get into more of the side stuff.
But we're kind of we've talked about a few times, so we never made
a few main topic but we I did this week because obviously it's like a
game changer sort of thing. So Johnathan Majors, we don't need to go
over all the nooks and crannies everything. You know, you can go search
and what there is and what they're not. And of course, as usual,
like the Depenhammer heard thing, people would divide one way. That's that,
but either way it doesn't matter because there's four counts. The guy was
found guilty on two and that's marble sun bed. Okay, we got to
hit the eject button. Let's get out of here. And it was very
quick. It was the like the thing went down and then the next hour
because I was like, oh, I think the way like a little bit,
but no, it was very fast that Kate, we're gonna get rid
of that. So question well quickly on that because I'm not an expert on
litigation as you are, but yeah, with how quickly it is, like
is that something that they would have prior knowledge, who are like behind the
curtains knowledge of or was it really just like they had done their meetings and
they if they the moment that verdict dropped, if it was guilty, they
would immediately drop the statement at that point. I don't think they'd know for
sure, because you never know which way a jury goes. But I think
you'd maybe get like like a little bit of a heads up of like,
hey, it's not going his way, you know, like I think most
people, like I feel like those bigger cases, a lot of people know
beforehand what's gonna go down. So I feel like they were But either way,
they probably just had a meeting of if it's gonna be this, we're
gonna go this way, and if it's not, we'll go this way.
And that's what it was. And I do like it's it's a it's a
weird topic talked about. I do get why they waited, because we've talked
about this like at nauseum of how with gun they pulled that trigger really fast,
right and then all say they regretted it, and now like the guys
on the other side, of course, he finished guardians like I get this
time why I know somebody like why then they do it right away? Like
I get the idea of okay, we did this once, let's wait,
but I think now it's like, well, at the end of the day,
it is difficult because there's people that do have bad pass but you know,
that's what happens when they're in the past, when it's something currently happening,
and it is still like a family studio you're not gonna have that is.
And it was different when this one first started because there was like the
first you know, posts hitting the news feed, and then there was a
bunch of stuff of like whoever the accuser was was like oh never like never
mind, this is nothing or something so and then eventually I turned out of
the news, so I wasn't paying attention to the day to date or anything.
But I think this one was maybe a little less like certain from day
one, yes, yeah, and even then, like technically, if you
look at it, he was like guilty on fifty percent of the stuff,
right, because then there's the other the two other counts that they said he
was not guilty for us. That's where it's like a very messy situation where
it's not a clear cup but that's why, you know, that's I'm sure
there's great Laar podcasts out there about litigation, you know, lessen that we
get to talk about, like the nerdy, geeky stuff, and we always
went about like, hey, what's gonna happen? So one thing, Kirkland
saws all his points, so take those away too, So yeah, they
to Now there's been a thing that we kind of thought this. But now
once this happened, the Scooper's get out there and everyone's saying that they according
to them and just scuttle But going around is that they Marva at this current
time don't really know what they're gonna do. Right now, Avengers is being
referred to as just Avengers five. Now it's not Kang Dynasty. It's internally
referred which could go back. But and that's what I was gonna ask you,
because I think we tell us a little bit. But now that it's
official, what do you what do you think the best course of action is,
because like, is it just good to you know, go get an
actor, you know, it's a character, put them in there. But
at the same time, like does the word king. I think people brought
up like oh, just that character name brings up some stuff that you know,
it's tied to that character. I'm sure there's somebody in there that would
want or would you think that it's best for them to pivot? And do
you even have like a like are you like a sell me on this or
do you have like a certain path you think that's for you for mister Musk
you want to see you know, like, are you happy if you never
see Kang Ganner and see Kang for a while? You know? Yeah,
I've really gone back and forth on on this because I mean, this has
been going on for months at this point where we've talked about the possibility and
I feel like I was always on team that they would still make Kang happen
with or without Majors. They would recast them. It's the easiest recast of
all time because you because of the character's origins, you know, we find
an actor of that caliber who can fill that those shoes is difficult, but
in terms of the character itself, it works. But I think the more
and more we've talked about this, the more and more it's changed, And
even just seeing the state of these projects that have come out this year,
I really I feel like it's I feel like it's time to pivot and just
yea, drop Kang Dynasty as the title of that, which is already kind
of the internal talks, and do another direction. I think no matter what
they do, they can figure out another character who makes some multiversal thing happen,
so we can still get to Secret Oars and one O. There's so
many characters who could do that stuff. And then also just with where we
left well, first of all with where we left out off from it man,
but also the quality of that movie and how much fanfare it doesn't have.
Yeah, and then with you know, now after seeing Loki too,
Like that's another big thing. What changes my opinion on this is you can
really just drop that character there and that's like a full character arc. Then
you can move on. And obviously that wasn't always the plan, but I
just feel like they've set themselves up in wait unintentionally, I have to assume,
because they did Loki before all this stuff happened, Like they're really set
up to pivot, like I would say, pretty easily at this point.
And uh yeah, I mean I think it would be different if Loki was
were two movies or a movie and it was huge. It was a big
billion dollar movie and you're setting up this character here, but it was like
no, A Man was the movie that had the character, and then it
was like these TV the TV show that further further that character. So I
think if that it was even swapped, Man was the TV show and Balm,
Yeah, which you know obviously wouldn't work the same way. That would
mean maybe a different story. But I think with the way you know,
the dice of landed, I think this is a easy pivot. And then
you just have so many options right now, you X Men stuff fantastic,
four other characters that I don't know too much about. There's there's so many
directions you can go. So I just feel like that's the easier, better,
safer thing to do at this point. Yeah, it's it's tough for
me because also a cryptocluse is Dylan. I love your hat like's I guess
he just thinks you're enhanced superior to mine. Eh, I feel like mine's
maybe a bit fluffier, but yeah, I didn't pretty similar. So Emily
bought this not knowing this was as long, so I did not want one
as long, but I plan on getting another one, so h Yeah,
it's funny that I think I'm on the same trajectory with you here where I
was always you gotta recast. I feel like, even on the day of
I'm like, nn if they don't recast, I'm disappointed. And I still
will be disappointed to a sense, because I still think Came the character has
potential. I think there's things they could do, and I think it is
odd for them because even if they're changing stuff that was supposed to be their
big bad right, that was supposed to lead at all. And that's where
I went, Okay, there's there's so much potential. But I do feel
like as time goes on, even just the mere days, Mike, for
some reason, I don't know if it is just best to like, is
it worth it? I wonder if it's it's best to even come back to
King but at a different time, like kind of the same way we think
they're gonna do Ch'challa right, where you will have an adult playing Ch'chala again.
I don't mean ch'chilla junior. I mean, like you love a full
and black panther, but it'll be like a different version or a different universe
where it's like, oh, it's not as bad because this is, you
know, a new adaptation of the character. It's not the one that was
based with Chadwick Boseman, right, So I think maybe you could do that
that years later to bring him back. It's just and I guess it's just
purely the calm of family that it's just disappointing if it's just like ant Man
and Loki. You know, it was such a small mini run. And
as we've said before, like at least I've been saying if it was that
small mini run, I at least wish they did like a mini Avengers movie
like they did. I shouldn't even say many. But now when we compare
it to there's the Avengers movie, then there's the Event movie, right,
and I wish that instead of ant Man, we go on an Avengers movie
where they just be king and that was it, like at least like something
would happen with him. But I think, you know, you have the
box office of Kwamedia and now there's some stuff tied to that character. Like
to me, this is like what I think they do, and I think
they will look at it as like a potential pivot. I don't even know
if it's like going away from that character completely. But I agree with you
where even Loki when they go like, oh yeah, the six one sixth,
they took care of it. I feel like that's almost just a way
of saying yeah, like the Kang's were taking care of Sure, you have
that Council of Kangs, but the same way. Like remember we in Garns
of Galaxy, we had Zandar and we had John c Riley and Glenn cos
and then in Finneymore they just told us that Thanos like wiped that planet off
the map and he had the Stone. I think you do the same thing
with that Council of like there was a threat and it was just taken off
screen. Even if that is a king, I don't know. Also,
they do like if they get cheeky and use a character that is like a
Kang variant, but they don't call them Kang, you know. Like there's
a character called the Beyonder, which lots of people thought that might be a
Kang variant in the MCU. So I could see them even doing that because
I know literically that's not a normally Kang variant though, no, no,
but that's what people have said, Like you could you could fashion some of
that into that sort of character. So I think for me, I guess
just the worry is and I guess it all depends on what they're planning to
do. Now. I know the natural like break glass reaction is doom.
I just don't want doom. If it's the idea that we've talked about that,
if there's some sort of reset, it's like, I want I want
that man saved. I want that to be a big build up. And
I think if he's just like the bandage, that's just going to cause more
problems because then you went through King and then you already not went through Doom.
He can still be big because technically Thanos was only in Guardians and then
infinnywhere endgame right, So it's like it's and Thanos felt like such a big
deal, so you still could do that. I just I just want it
to feel the same way. When they bought Fox and five, he was
like, well, we're not bringing the X Men in right now because we
want to stick to our plan. We don't want to rush it. So
that's my only like reflex when because it has to be doom, that's cool,
but I don't want them to kind of waste him too, not waste,
but you know what I mean, Like, that's two big bads down
in one phase. You know, Yeah, what if uh, what if
the pivot is Loki again? You bring Loki back in? Yeah, like
this new and improved changed Loki. Uh as like that. I'm talking strictly
from like that band aid perspective you're mentioned, because I also don't want doctor
Doom or I don't know any villain. Really, it's like, oh,
yeah, this is our this is clearly our our plan B in the way
that we've seen other movies kind of fail with that before. But I don't
know, is that Does that make any sense in terms of the multiverse?
Noess of it now, I don't know. Maybe it undoes some of the
character development you get with Loki in terms of this turn to the good side
or something, but there could be some way to just spin that up,
or he could maybe maybe he doesn't. I don't know. I'm trying to
think. I guess you'd probably want some other villain in there too alongside him,
But I think you could do it in like a maybe like a civil
war sort of way, because I don't think you can make him a straight
up villain or bad guy, because I think he's progressed so well, and
I think that some some people view him as like their favorite thing of these
like posts end game, right, So I think if they take him make
him a villain, you do risk. So you risk like some people like
myself and other people have a scarlet witch and multiverse madness where it hurts it
a little. So I feel like you could try and do maybe a civil
war where it's like he is the opposing figure, but he is still like
doing it for the right reasons, Like I guess I was Thanos right in
his mind he was doing it for the right reasons, and then an endgame
he's just like, nah, I'm just gonna just I feel like that one
is kind of like, Okay, it's a known variable. You have a
well cast actor in that role. It feels like something that's easier, quicker,
maybe even not easier, but quicker to get off the ground if you
pivot that direction storry wise, I don't know what you do. But at
the end of the day, if you have Loki as like some big villain,
you get a bunch of other cool favorite characters in there. Are people
really going to care that much, Like they'll still go see that, you
know, yeah, exactly, they'll They'll still go. And I think it's
just like as bad as it sounds. I think with the multiverse concept,
if it is like the Jackman and the Spider Man and everything like that,
I think you just gotta find a somewhat decent villain. I think they were
obviously looking for their next Stanos right and other big Avengers, but also a
villain that people were like, oh, this is a great performance and a
great role, and they wanted that. But I'm not sure, and I've
always said before that I think Glactus is kind of a maybe not a good
idea, but maybe maybe it is. Now it is just like a one
in because like to me, I've always said, like he's just a big
guy these planets. There's not much you can do with him, So maybe
that's what you do, even though I don't, I don't. I don't
love the idea of all these multiverse heroes we've loved the past is returning to
fight some big CGI think I think there was something great of seeing like a
Toby and a Jackman act against an actor like Majors right, like that back
and forth like Downy and Brolin had and stuff. So I don't know.
So that's why I guess the other thing is too we are in the moment
and I feel like it's the same thing like James Gunn where that happened,
and then as time went on it wasn't as bad. And the good thing
is because Mike says, like, the tricky thing is how do you pivot
fat enough to have a villain for the end of the multiverse Soka, that
isn't Kang, which we're kind of talking about. But the good thing is
like you have Deadpool next year, and then the year after Thunderbolts, cap
Blade, and Fantastic four. Other than Fantastic Four, I don't think those
other three projects are multiverse stuff. I think they're just like character based.
So really, by time, when you get to twenty twenty six, the
idea of someone else playing King or Kang being around might not feel as bad,
you know, because I think in the moment, we're like, oh,
this is like, you know, storyline stuff hasn't gone great. Quantum
it didn't go great. We have the major stuff, but maybe in a
year and a half when they announce, hey, we've cast Kang, it'll
feel a little different. So like I think, if I'm leaning away,
I still want them to try and I hope that's the route to go of
do a recast, see what you can do. I still think my suggestion
is to have fun with it, where I think every version of Kang it
should be like Doctor Who from now and then it's an actor every time.
I don't think it should be one guy or girl. I think it'd be
really fun of Kang's and five projects and we got these five actors and we're
gonna have a good time because it just I think there's some some fun versatility.
Plus then you're not putting all your eggs and one vast I like thematically
in terms of the multiverse saga stuff like what did we really have for that?
Like obviously Loki's there, you have Doctor Strange, but Doctor Strange doesn't
really feel like it's leading towards something. It just feels like its own credit
right when it's like incursions are happening, and that's like supposed to set up
these these worlds colliding. The Marvels is like a multiverse movie. Like the
last minute, you know all of them are all in the last minute,
they're not really you know yeah, Like I mean, and even if you
think back to like the Infinity saga, it's not like every single movie had
like a Stone is a huge thought point. It's almost like they kind of
tied that stuff together after the fact, you know, to something some of
they did. Oh yeah, so and I mean you you have ant Man.
But I just feel like that's a throwaway, you know, because of
Majors, because of how poorly that movie did, how bad it was,
you just you just forget it exists. You hit the delete button on that
one. If you can that it's gonna be like The New Incredible Hulk,
the same way that a whole generation forgot about that movie. That's gonna be
Quantum Mania. Between the box off as the reception and Majors. It's just
gonna be this movie that never gets talked about. It's not gonna be in
like their Marvel studios like opening. I don't think if, like how we
talked about in uh Endgame Home, they went back to Dark World. I
don't think they go back to like the Quantumedia movie. You know, like
there's it's it literally is just like a it's like a dead project. You
know, it's just out there and that's crazy that like it's almost been a
full year, but still it's crazy. It's this counter year that that came
out feels so long ago, but it was our first twenty twenty three movie,
right, So yeah, I know, I feel like you really just
I mean, I guess we still have a few characters from that, but
really the only new character would be like Cassie, if you consider that new
new character or whatever, Stinger or Statue or whatever her name is, Stature
and Stinger. Yeah, yeah, the double Yeah, Stinger and Stature.
Yeah, it shouldn't go by them both at the same time. But you
know, Statue is the one in Marvel Snap, That's the one I'm familiar
with. But yeah, it was read who Stinger is? I think they
going with Stature. Yeah, but yeah, And you know what's funny in
retrospect, we always said, oh it was laying how the end of that
he didn't get stuck there with Kang and all this jazz, And now in
retrospect, it's good that the movie just ends with Paul Rudd just winning and
that Kang getting sucked away, right, because then if you that's like another
like loose end, you don't really have to tie up, so yeah,
we'll see. So like in your in your core, you know, you
gotta what was a gun in your head? And what was you got to
see a movie with? It was our old definitely a gun. Oh and
you and you won the lottery if you done gun to your head? Yes,
what do you think they do do the final replace? Yeah? Recast
replace, simple as that. Yeah, I think I think we forget.
I think we forget that Kang ever ever happened? Okay because even then,
like I don't know, and Loki, it's like it wasn't even called that,
you know, so it's kind of ey to move past it. And
then the Kang and like Quantumnia, which is already forgotten, is as as
you just mentioned, like deadish. So yeah, I think I think you
forget that. That's the gun to my head lottery ticket. You forget?
What if? I mean, I say recast, but what if they did
something where they cast someone as a villain and they didn't reveal they were king
until that said movie, Like there was no build up of saying, oh,
we've cast Denzel Washington as Kang, Like what if it was just we've
cast Denzel Washington, he's gonna be a villain and Avengers and in that movie
you reveal that it's Kang, and again you don't even have to make it.
You don't even have to say. He can just quickly mention like he's
a varian a king, this and that, like you don't even have to
say because it's he who remains victor timely, like you could have a villain
like let's say here's the thing. Who gets excited about that? At this
point? Do you pop off in the theater for that? Well? No,
but I guess it helps that connudy maybe of when they they set up
King and the whole time we'd be like, oh, I guess they bannon
it. But then it comes up like oh no, this secretly, like
what if they cast the beyonder? But then they re feel like, actually
I was a vary end of cane. I took out all those other Kangs.
I just think, who cares? Who cares about that? I don't
know. I feel like Phase four has been such a mess at this point.
Uh faith, Oh, I don't even know where we are at this
point. Yeah we're five now? Yeah? God? Yeah, secret invasion
and I and I talk about this stuff every single week, Like I just
I just think, who cares? I just I just think it's you have
this much, you have this many problems, you have this these messy phases
like stop trying to make fetch happen? You know, just move on.
I'll play devil that can say they recast, I say they wait, they
wait a long, big, huge actory Denzel style like caliber. Do you
think it's tough because there's probably enough people in Hollywood that might go and side
with him and feel like he's innocent or they were, you know, really
guilt. I think so yeah, because I I think they're is like not
to get into like race politics, but there's a lot of because I've seen
this a lot talked about in the articles about it, where the idea that
it is a white woman that did the charges on him, there is a
history of lots of those cases being proven. Like, it's a tough I
think the dynamics are of it are very tricky, and I think there's a
lot of actors that even if they didn't think he was not guilty, they
just would not want to touch it. So I think it's tough that sure,
you can go get like some no name that's a great actor. I'm
sure there's somebody that would want to like become King, get a note role.
But I feel like if they come out of the game and say we're
doing King again, it has to be somebody of Note. I think it
has to be because I think if you get a no name, you go
my route of you don't say it's Kang yet, and you kind of build
up to that, and that's kind of like a Voldemort where he's around,
but you just keep hearing about Kang or whatever the beyonder and then boom,
this guy's Kang. Where if it's a recast right away, they wait a
couple of years and they get big time actor that we all that we love
and has a very clean track record and never done any nicest guy in the
world. Viigi just does it himself. He's like, I can't trust anyone
except for myself. Get me in there. Do you do you think that
uh with because obviously we have the post credits scene in Quantumnia where there's there's
kind of these three main Kang variants that are introduced, and there's like a
million other aliens and things in the in the background. But do you think
we actually see like Cann the Conqueror from Quantumania, Victor Timeley or He who
Remains, like those specific variants, because I think the recast element is a
lot easier if you factor in that, like, Okay, all these versions
that you saw on screen before don't aren't actually coming back. It's not someone
playing that that version of the character, so you can it's not weird if
even like you know, how Deffleely differently he acted as Timely versus he who
remains and the cadence of his voice and whatnot. So yeah, no,
never ever, I don't think because he remained it makes it easier than for
recast. So I think that that puts some more yeah water in that bucket,
because they all were kind of defeated, right, like can conquer Gods
sucked up, He Remains was killed, then Victor Timeley just end up being
like a kid again, and we're gonna see if that cycle restarts whet the
book and everything, right, so they're all kind of squared away. So
that and that's where I think like the Council of Kangs would get the on
the Zandar treatment of oh I killed them all because they're all Inferior and yeah,
they were all in one timeline that got pruned, and you're gonna go
like what I want you remember God Alien? What was that movie that came
out a couple of years ago, Alien Covenant, Alien Cove? Yes,
so remember he got the movie Prometheus and they left a lot of stuff hanging.
We're like, how are they gonna answer this? And then when they
meet up David, you had a quick fifteen seconds slice of data on a
ship. David gets so much fucking screen time on this podcast. We love
them, but remember I love him. Remember when he's on the ship and
he finds this planet of the engineers and he just releases bombs on the mall
and kills them all. Do you remember that guy? I think I remember
that. Yeah. We all complained because we're like, oh, what's gonna
happen with the Promevius plot points? And they just killed they They sold it
all in fifteen seconds. They'll do the same thing with a new actor that
he shows up and he just drops a bunch on the Council of Kang Seah.
I know, like, got a lot of people behind me tonight you
got just bomb. Yeah, Santa's elf on the shelf moving around. But
anyways, that's what I think they do, is they just show this Kang
being powerful and just taking everybody out. I do think. And this was
gonna bring up because we you, me and Breaks talked about a long time
ago on our Avengers cast of Mike saying, what do you guys think about
a villain team of passified villains from different multi verses a threat of uh,
you know, Yeah, to me, that's a twofer, because, like
I thought, the easiest layup that they should have done to establish new Avengers
was a Masters of Evil, like just take people like Zemo, put them
on a team in verse you know, Sam, Carol who like est team.
And yeah, I think we've all said because there's a rumor, we're
gonna talk about it in the uh in the x Men portion of I'll bring
it here now, part of the report was, well, in the next
saga, they're gonna focus on the X Men and they're gonna have the Avengers
step aside. And I'm like, step aside, Like they're not even in
front right now. We haven't seen I say this all time, but it's
been five years we've not seen an Avengers team. There. It was twenty
twelve, twenty fifteen, twenty eighteen. There's three years between each of those
three Prius Avengers movies, and now it's been five years, you know,
so it's like step aside. Like I feel like every day through from yeah
game, we have yeah, like we've done like like literally in the story
and when it said five years later, we've like you said, we've done
that in real time. So I think every day that Avengers brand is starting
to lose more and more. And to me, that was always the easy
one, is Masters of Evil versus there a typical Masters of Evil roster?
Is there any like like three or four characters that are Emo is usually one
of those. He's like the original leader. Let me get the original members
here were cooking with here you gotta have you got? Well? I guess
Zimo is very different than comics, but I feel like he with the Zemo
that we have in uh in our mcuhre, I think you'd be perfect.
Yeah, and you could have bathed him up right, like he gets a
suit or something like that. So I guess something that can't be right.
I don't think doctor Octopus was an original member. He might have been in
there, but I don't think he was the AWA. I mean, he
was never a Sinister six guy, right, he was more They've all been
sinistor stick guys eventually, right, you know, oh try to find But
yeah, Zimo's usually the leader black Night, which that could have been a
fun way to introduce uh Ken Harrington, but they've done that. Ultron was
one, and so you could easily do that all Like that would be fun
too, Like you get Zemo, you get Ultron coming back? Do you
do what if Ultron like the No, you don't do that's a little opie.
I guess he's pretty strong. If you do him, you make him
like the multi verse saga villain, you know. Uh. I love that
idea because I think one thing we've talked about a lot over the course of
NCU is that they had like a villain problem for years and years. The
villains were kind of weak for the first three phases there and then we then
we got some strong ones with Killmonger and Fantos and stuff like that. But
I feel like it'd be it'd be awesome to revisit some of those earlier villains
and we kind of you know, we've done that a bit, Like you
once kind of Quantuminus coming over tonight with a yellow jacket coming back as Modoc,
which is like a very weird transformation there. But I would I would
love to visit some of those earlier villains. You could even introduce one or
two more in there. The Leader, the Leader they're bringing back for Cat
four would have been perfect in that spot of like part of like, oh
where's he been for a while? Abomination, like I still like she hauled,
but before they did what they did with tim Roff, you could have
used them there, Like I just think that would have been a very big
layup. Okay, So RJ says, Abomination and Chances were also famous members
of the team. Yeah, I saw Enchantress so and yet apparently talk off.
Apparently Dalkhop popped off a lot. So maybe uh maybe get Alfred Molina
in there one more time. Yes, that'd be great, one more time.
Why are you limiting this man? Let's get that's truely ten years of
uh Molina. Yeah, good to see you man. He loved the hat
boys, happened all day. It's gonna watch tomorrow morning. Yes, take
care of you. I know you're on the later side, but yeah,
no that I think. But like I said, I won't go on harp
on too much. I already have we gotta do. That's a I'm gonna
put that down in our topics though, Masters of People, we'll do a
longer episode. Do we really break up what that roster could look like?
Yeah, no, it would be good. And like I said, I
just think they should have that was an easy layup. Established a new team,
who's the leader of the Avengers, and then you get to this stuff
and I think unfortunately they're they're too far gone. They put the cart before
the horse. But that's okay, So we'll let's take our first break and
then we're gonna talk about now some X men. So we'll be right back,
and we're back. So this comes from Daniel Rpka. He's got that
broke the red one. So either this has been the theory, either he
has a new source he's getting a lot of good scoops, or what Brent
says is he got one right and he's just cashing in and making a lot
of scoops. But we'll find out in the next few years. So he
this kind of track a little bit. As far as they were meeting with
writers, a couple of months ago and now there seems to be some details.
So the three biggest points are that they're trying to much like Spider Man,
they want it to be different than the other X Men ones, right,
They want to go different route. So the at least working ideas that
the main character would likely be a female. I'm imagining Geen Gray in my
mind. I think they would probably go that route, and maybe not.
Maybe it could be Road, maybe it could be Jubilee Hill. I don't
know, but that's the idea, and I know if people get mad.
It's like all the X Men movies were like it was Hugh Jackman and Patrick
Sister who like or James McAvoy like. It's always like there's not been a
male lead and something have gone past. But the three big things where right
now it seems to be like the Feat. Of course there's gonna be a
bunch of people on the team, but it'd be a female lead. Magneto
is not slotted to be in the first one at all, not as a
hero villain, just not at all. And they're eyeing mister Sinister to be
the main villain for the first go round. I don't know if that means,
if you'd be killed off or what the deal is. But you can't
kill Sinister. He'll turn into some sand on the beach, like you always
come back, you know, whatever sounds he makes, but you know,
whenever he gets hit by Scott's beams, it's hard. It's we talked about
this in one of the retro It's like so hard to emulate his voice because
whatever the modulation they have in that, at least in the animated series,
really hard to replicate, even with Taylor's magic that he has on the keyboard.
Yeah, so what if you you know, you're in the pitch room
they're talking about this stuff. You know, maybe maybe stuff like X Men's
getting We talked about this when those writers were like their announcer looking for writers,
and maybe they're starting to push that a little bit faster because maybe they're
kind of like, hey, we got to get some more big hitters in
here. Again. I still feel like they shouldn't just abandon like Sam and
stuff Like, I feel like they should have been pushing some of the characters
they have now as like hey, we got cool Avengers. But now I
feel like, I don't know, there's a whole other issue, But they
sit you down town and they say, you know, we're gonna have a
female main character, mag Neil's gonna take a little break for a bit.
Obviously, we want to kind of be like Homecoming where it's gonna be.
We want to tackle stuff that hasn't happened. Alas mister Sinister as a villain
as well, because that's one that never got the live action treatment. John
hamm was cast him at one point, but the movie never happened, so
what he was supposed to be in Gambit, So what do you think about
that? Kind of just initial working idea that's me what they're working with,
or kind of giving writers of like, hey, would these topics interest you
in writing a movie? Yeah, I mean I love having Sinister in there.
That's really fun and that makes me think that, you know, Gene
would make sense as a as a lead for that, just knowing that narrative.
And of course, my my knowledge on Sinister is strictly X Men animated,
but he appears to they do a pretty good job and the origins of
him being obsessed with the Scummer, the scummers, mister Summers, the Summers.
That's I feel like that's more of a DC villain though, mister scummers,
that's the kind of deep cut character that James Gunn would would pull out
of the bag. That's who Nathan Fielder play, mister scummers. You know,
I feel like Nathan Fielder has all over James Gunn radar, you know,
like I feel like that's I don't think he'll do it. I don't
think field or whatever. No, I don't think. Yeah, do you
think he could be like in the Suicide Squad where James Gonn had a bunch
of deal and they died off in that first scene. I can see something
like that maybe, No, I don't. I don't think. I don'
think it wants to be in cool weird things that or his own things.
Okay that's my I don't know him, but that's my pretty sure that's my
feel pression. I agree with you on Nathan Vield. I just like gun
that's the type of guy who like, oh, I want him to play
some sort of weirdo in like one of my movies, and oh yeah,
gun would want it. Absolutely. Yeah, you can't always get what you
want though, uh going back to it, so obviously, yeah, sinister
in the gene connection makes a lot of sense. I will say though from
my experience, like I've never fallen in love with any Jean Gray adaptation.
It's a character that I I don't know why, and I guess I gotta
read some certain compic runs, but it's just a character that I find it
hard to put my chips behind that as being the leading character, just because
I just feel like she's not super interesting and you know, dark Phoenix stuff,
you can get some interesting stuff going on, not that, not that
movie, but that storyline. There's definitely a lot of potential there, and
I think with the right casting, you know, throwing on a stone in
there, let's go, uh, you can make it happen. But Nathan,
He'll She'll get Nathan in. But I think I would be much more
excited for Storm or Rogue to be that that leading in that leading role.
I don't know how that ties into Sinister, but of course it's a whole
team thing, so you could like that could be. The thing is that
Gene gets captured and that's why she's not really like a big character in the
movie, is because she's captured by Sinister, which is like the reason why
the X Men are to go after him. That kind of thing. But
but uh, yeah, I I I guess Rogue because even in what is
the X Men? One and two, she's kind of three well not yet,
No, she's not really in that one very much, right, Yeah,
so like in one and two, you know, you'd say she's Lee,
but she's definitely a I guess she's more of a Plaud device. Even
it's been a bit since I've rewatched those one, but she's a crucial character.
I think, especially the first one. She's she's all mcguffin the first
one, right, because he needs her for powers and stuff. So in
the second one she's around quick a bit so. And then I think Storm
kind of for herself. I think there's so much potential there in terms of
what you want to do with that character, and that one might make more
sense, is like she's just the leader of the X Men boom end of
story. I don't know how you swing Rogue as the lead character, but
obviously you could make it happen. I just would need to need to see
it on the screen before I could believe it. But I think Storm,
you don't even need to talk about so yeah, that could easily happen,
And yeah, really cool too. Yeah, I think rogue you build up.
I think rogue. If she's in there, one are kind of like
the plucky underdog, you know, kind of like what she is in the
show a bit where it's like she's she's great, but I mean so so
much more like the show us to some personal stuff going on, so she
can't be the most dependable there sometimes or plus like gamuts around and stuff.
So yeah, one day we'll get some calm books. So yeah, Jean
Gene's a great character. Obviously, my character my daughter is named after her,
and she's she is one of the best X men. But the movies
have definitely, uh, the original trigity. She was just served to kind
of be there for Wolverine as some eye candy, you know, which is
not. There's some true for that, but some not to what you were
saying. The two questions here from RJ saying that I guess it would be
like the first roster. My only issue with that when people bring up a
Jean Scott Beast's Angel and Iceman, I don't think there's a world where they
have just one female and the team to go around. I think they would
spread it out, So I think that I feel like the best way,
in my opinion, is a three and three. I think it's three guys,
three girls, or just even just like non you know, binary people
like I just don't think it's gonna be five guys and a girl. I
just I don't think they'll want to do that. Maybe that's why it's female
led, because it's like, oh, we just got Gene, you know,
so I don't know about that, and I just it's curious because like
I'm curious and r J the other question of like will Wolverine be on the
team all, I don't think so. And to me, it's like,
if these reports are they want to be different than the other films when we
talked about that before with Spider Man, that's why we didn't get Goblin or
doc Ock or Uncle Ben. So I think, like you look at that
original team Jean Scott Bee's angel Iceman Iceman on Beasts, especially Beasts was just
in the Marvel's credit seeing like, I think those are characters will stay away
from actually because I think they'll feel like, oh, they've already been done,
like let's give Beasts to send off here. I think Gene and Scott
kind of work because I think with psychlo if if Sinister is the villain,
Scott's in there guaranteed because they're just so tied together. He's always obsessed with
that bloodline. And I think that's a really good way to put Scott and
Gene is like lead one and lead to finally, because it's a storyline about
maybe and even then you could flip it where maybe Scott's like the damsel in
distress where he's the one that gets kidnapped and it's Gene and the team going
to get him. Right. I also feel like I don't think they've ever
nailed those two live auctions, so I think there's a big opportunity to finally
make it work and do it better than before. Of course, naturally there's
some risk involved, but yeah, I feel like the opposite could happen too,
Or if you cast wull Veren as whoever and they don't live up to
Hugh Jacksman or something, if they do that going forward, maybe that's maybe
that's not good either, But I think there's so much potential there with Scott
in particular. Yes, I think Geene's been maybe done better than Scott has,
but once again, I didn't do that retro with you guys. So
I'm not as fresh like a minor degree. But yeah, Scott's another So
I agree you because that's where like Gene and Scott of course were all in
those but like you said, they weren't like big factors. Really there was
the guy was to be a obstacles for Wolverine and the girls. There to
be a love interest, right like I think mister Sinisters. The villain brings
them up to be main characters and then it's focused on them, even someone
like angel I could see Iceman, I don't think so. And then the
broken Gambit of it all, I definitely I feel like that's a smart way
to go. I'm just very curious how they do how they do Gambit nowadays.
I'm not saying Gambit's like a he's not a I just think you make
him like a Dufest jokes or like Chris Pratt type. I feel like that's
what you do. You you don't do any of the other there's anything problematic
with him, but I don't know, really, he's a little some of
the things he says a little problem. But at the same time, I
guess it doesn't really matter. They would just change it because like they had
that that character they introduced Harry Styles with He's a character that had like way
way worse history than Gambit as far as like using his powers for like like
maybe sexual assault, and they kind of re routed in the like the future
but or in the present. But I think you still you still need him
to be Machiesmo. I've always said that Gambut to me should be a young
Brad, like a young Brad Pitt. That's what we're looking for with Gambit,
and you just take I think that's perfect, Like, especially with the
roster we're talking about. I think that's the kind of levity you need,
not just to like fit that Marvel mcu quota, you know, check that
box of making sure it's not too serious. You always have some quips in
there, but you don't have someone lighthearted on the team. And I think
he could be a good one for that. But yeah, in the future,
if you want to go deeper on the emotional depths, I think you
can still go there too. I was supera Mike could he probably be great,
And especially because Chris prep is on Earth or star Lord is, because
yeah, they do get I think like in the Newest ones I got married,
right, I think they get did Canty Pride and star Lord. That'd
be great if you kind of link them up because oh yeah, star Wars
on Earth right now, he's chilling. Yeah, Katy Pride was not someone
that was done with the reboot, right, No, she never made it,
I guess because she was like a child and stuff. But like,
it's funny our roster aid because it's on the brain. We kind of pitched
like, Okay, you got Storm, Jean Gray, Rogue, and Gambit.
If you got one more, who would you put on that? And
it's not Wolverine because yeah, we're pretty we're pretty ninety sent. But I
like that roster because I like the because I also think Jean Scott, Roman,
Gambit. They are romantically linked, but they're very different type of romances.
It's not too SAME's. You know, it's like who would you put
on there? You got Storm, let's say she's the leader right now,
who's your sixth draft pick? And I'll say it for fun not Beast either,
because Piece is like, yeah, I feel that's easy, right because
I got Kelsey Grammer and they might not do them? Is there somebody?
Is it? Kitty Pride? Is there somebody like that might be. I
think it might be Kitty Pride for me. Actually, yeah, I am
down for another attempt at at Jubleek. She was like he was very sparing
whatever movie I can't even remember all these X Men movie names, any clips,
Yeah, there you go, So i'd be I'd be down to see
that too. Yeah, but I think Kitty Pride would be my maybe number
one. And yeah, like who else because I got I'm kind of fine
with Colossus existing in like the Deadpool side and like, yes, go ahead
with that kind of version. But if you brought if you brought Kitty Pride,
you could bring Class because they also have a romantic link too, so
you could The whole x movie is just nothing but couples. You know what
you're gonna That's what I was gonna say. Yeah, night I think because
like he was only in that one movie, right in X two. That's
it. That's the only too. Oh sorry, they did bring him back
in the the first Class there I forgot, But I feel like he was
very like Minor, Like I feel like it wasn't a big deal that Nightcrawler
was around. They can't so I feel like Nightcrawler like you make him cool.
He sells toys, Like, I just feel like he's someone fun on
there. I think honestly, with his religious aspects, you could even dive
into that a bit more so. And if you go out rogue they didn't
do in the movies, they could do here would do that in the first
movie. That would be a revealed down that road with mystique. There you
go. That's a good Yeah, So I I like that. Whether it's
Kitty or Nightcron Plus you could you could do sim But I liked one of
those two as the as a six member, and I think that's good.
And I guarantee you too. They're just gonna be a member that we have,
like completely left field, Like I've always been a big war path guy.
I'd love to have Warpath in. Okay, yeah he was in a
Days of Future Past. But yeah, he gets killed off like a bunch
because he's just one of the like the protector of the realm sort of guys
and stuff. Yeah, it gets messed up by those morphine creatures or whatever.
Yeah, And I feel like, because you didn't mention it, you're
you aren't are but are you not surprised about uh? Maybe Magneto taking a
seat for a bit. Yeah, I think exactly what you said about looking
at the Spider Man villains and the way they chose to go that, with
that direction of not going with those classics and instead bring in some other characters.
And obviously we've done that now with uh No Way Home. We obviously
went back to those those places. But I think that's a good thing to
do. I think start with some fresh characters, characters we haven't seen before.
Uh. You know, there's a lot more juice to be squeezed in
those villains. And I think x Men, especially obviously on off the animated
show x Men, is just like just like Spider Man that way, there
are a ton of great villains to pull from, And so I don't think
you need to go for Magneto. So I think that's a good choice.
Of course, I wouldn't be mad the opposite way around, but I'm okay
with the decision. But you're a big Magneto head. Doesn't bother you either,
though, I'm guessing no, because it's just like, it's not like
the Spider Man thing where it's like, oh, I really want Goblin a
right, Like I dislike that they always were skirted around Uncle Ben. It's
like Magniedo was in so many projects, you know. I know people can
say, oh, we got two Uncle Ben's. I just feel like there's
something different there. But I feel like with Magneto and we got two great
versions like Emaccount and Fastbender. I feel like Xavier. I feel like Exavier
is pretty vital to the team. But hey, even if they came and
said we want to do something different and maybe Exavier put this team together and
he's the classic, like he's missing in this universe, I think some people
would be really upset if Exavier wasn't the teacher. I'd be fine. I'm
not saying that's what I want, but I'd be fine right now because we've
got so many versions, especially that first Class era. Those two are the
leads with each film. I know, I guess Jennifer Lawrence was in there,
but still I still think like Macavoy and fast been Er, those were
the two guys leading that charge. So I'm fine if they take a break.
Plus they brought Xavier back, I think they'll probably be bring McKellen back,
you know, like we keep getting like like with Deadpool and Huugh Jackmen
like a little sprinkles of them. So even if it's just Magneto, like
yeah, he's my favorite Marvelville. But I think it's fine, and I
think it is tough. People made the joke of like, oh, a
film with lots of great points out, it's obsessed with net all again because
it's kill Monger. And that's where it's just like it is tough because I
always said that when we had Black Panther, like oh, this is their
Magneto, and then they got the rights, it's like, oh shit,
like they kind of they like that is the Magneto story. Like what kill
Mongers is right, It's like he feels like it's people are as oppressed and
he's gonna use his power to strike back. And that's so I feel like
a longer break. And there's Omega Red, there's We've said this before,
like I know Kirkle would be happy, but like Mojo Vision, like there's
so many cool X Men films, Yeah, there's and even like Apocalypse,
I think you can get like a real talk about like another big bad you
can really build that up again to be something like Magneto. I think he's
a card that you can pull at any point and people are gonna be there
for Magneto. I think it's fine to sit him out. We got so
many movies of Magneto. It's it's okay, we're Spider Man. It's we
got to foe and that was it. So it's like, well, I
want another Goblin, Like I don't count Dane de han an amazing inspier Man
two. The same thing with Doc Hawk. That's what we will make complaints
of, Like I do want to see new villains, but if they're just
off the table, that kind of sucks. So with Magneto, though,
we saw him several times, so we're we're okay. Do you think what
is your percent chance that within the next fifteen years, let's say there there's
no reboot of MCU, it's going strong, you know, has it EBB
been flows but they come back? Yeah, what do you think the chance
is that there's ever just like a Savage Line movie X Men Savage Line.
We're like, it's not like some little sequence in Multiverse of Badness where you
saw it for like two frames, but it's like, you know, ninety
percent of the movie is in the Savage Line the same movie. It's just
the Charles XAB your and Magnus storyline. You get sore On in there,
you get Kazar and Zabu and all this is all Zabu and zor On.
Yeah, saar on On. Yeah. So if this was Marvel Llance,
I would say fiction because I don't think a whole movie would take place there.
I think if the Disney Plus shows were popping off, that's prime for
Disney Plus series. It's just Savage Lands, like, oh perfect, so
many episodes. But I think Savage Line will be a huge location at some
point, but I don't think it'll be ever the X Men are stuck here,
you know, so like because I think even Sinister could be like hiding
the Savage Lance like he was in the show. Right, So when you
say you think it's gonna be a huge location, what do you mean matter
like that, where like it would be Sinisters hanging out at Savage Land and
the whole third act takes plight place on Savage Land. Yeah, yeah,
like a big set piece. I kind of like Titan was and in Findy
Were where they fought that it was like something like that where when you're going
you're gonna see like Savage Land on screen and the fanboys and girls, and
everyone's go, oh, they're going to the Savage Land. We know what
that is. Man, I think they could they could do something and where
I'm gonna grab Xavier as my example character here with Xavier at the end of
the X Men movie. H I know, let's say they throw some crazy
portal out Sinister to like knock him into another realm. Somehow Xavier gets like,
you know, Sinister throws out one of his weird arm things, grabs
him, pulls him in. He does like some twisty thing. Post credit
scene, Xavier wakes up, Yeah, just sees the t Rex and then
like fades to fades to black. And that's like the teaser of oh I
thought, I'll do you one better, which I think you'd get that.
And then in the distance you get a hello, old friend. And that's
where Magnetil's been the whole thing too, right, A pterodactyl, Yeah,
jacked and gray hair. Yeah. I think that's what you can say is
Taylor just faints in the theater. He's played by Sam Neil. You know,
he's just oh my god, Yeah, Taylor faint, wake up and
faint again. No, I think McNeil's stuck in savage Land. That'd be
good explanation where he is. You know, he's like, oh, he's
just been stuck his voice. Is it who's Magneto voice? Is it new
actor or one of the classes? It has to be a new act.
I think this would be the new one. And who knows who they get
now in fifteen years. Could be anybody could be true, can't be you
or me. I guess we're not Jewish, so oh does that have to
be? I think so? He well his origins where the concentration can't remember
his parents, But do you think they I don't know, haven't we Yeah,
it's tough, right, But at the same time, with the X
Men not having existed thus far, we've all always speculated, like, oh,
maybe a snap created. Yeah, because it's tough because I always get
the point of people being like, but that's like a big character. I
feel like that's a big part of his character than the or like other than
that flashback, I feel like I've never yeah, I never think about that
as Magneto, but I guess yeah, it's it's the impetus, right,
It's the litany of a start. The last couple there are j said Rogue
Star off as a villain. I could see that, but because Tom the
whole stealing Captain Marble's powers, I'd love that. I would love that,
but I've always said I don't think it'd be a villain. I think it
would just be like the event, just get a situation where they're fighting the
X Men, because it's like, oh, they don't know who's who,
and then Rogue does. I think, I don't know if there's enough time.
Maybe if the Marvels was bigger, because imagine that if the Marvel's bigger,
we got Captain Marvel three in the villain when the villain's Rogue, that'd
be so cool. But I think with the box office the Marvel stuff is
like it'll be around, but not as much. And then super Mike says,
Bishops will get some attention. I agree. I think you just gotta
you gotta wait on him for a bit. They already did Days of Future
Pass. I think they want to, and I think they're gonna stay clear
of time travel Multiverse for a bit as well too. After we get through
the Multiverse saga, I think they're gonna really not touch that for yeah,
I think we go ground level with XP no cosmic stuff, no time travel,
no uh, interdimensional multiverses. Well, speaking of ground level, another
room that came out this week was some elements of spier Man four. So
Spierman for has some momors going around that they're the plan is it's still gonna
be, you know, grounded, more New York City based. It's been
described as a civil war with level heroes and the rumored lineup right now,
this is all rumor, but the rumored lineup in this plot is obviously Daredevil,
Jessica Jones, Echo, Kate Bishop, and the Punisher. I think
there's maybe one more, but most of the popular street level characters Kate Bush
Up, Echo, stuff like that. That's been the rumor. So I
don't know who are those characters on the same team or that's I don't know,
And that's why I don't That's why I don't buy, like I guess
with the civil because no matter what the civil War, its definitely spiderming on
one side and then punishing some other people because Punisher is definitely on the same
side of Spider Man. Is is that the thing where it's like, let's
say Kingpin and somebody's a villain and there's like a group of heroes like Punisher
there like let's just kill these people inspier Man, the Good Team and Daredevil
being like let's do this like the way of justice, you know, because
like I I could see Jessica Jones being on the kill side, right she
killed kill, kill Grave and stuff. So maybe that's what it is where
And yeah, there's no specification of who was there. It was just these
are character is that are being talked about right now, Echo One, Punisher
and Jessica Jones. Matt Alf's been talked about a bunch. But what do
you what do you think about that? As far as like we're fans of
the Spider Man animated series and a lot of those crossovers. Would you be
down for some sort of conflict between the street heroes of New York in a
Spider Man movie. Ah? Would I be down for that? Hmm?
I just feel like I feel like we have so much ground to cover in
this next Spider Man movie in terms of him kind of being like a blank
slate character going into it all these connections. I don't know, Man,
you're saying Daredevilaer Saint, Jessica Jones, Punisher, you speak your whispering the
sweet Nothing's like, I I do want it. I don't know, I
gotta think about it where I have to see maybe the pitch for the full
thing. The part that throws me off about this is the kpe Bishop one
though, because I just feel like this seems too soon after the setup of
like the Cat of the the Marvel's post credit scene for her to then be
here. True, she's just killing time New York while Kamala Cohn is trying
to round up the heroes, right, that could be it. Kamala is
at a different universe trying to I'm trying to think, is there another like
Marvel character like that who was in like two kind of separate storylines just kind
of randomly the same. Like, I don't know, I don't really see
the connection between Scar Scar who surprised Scar? I mentioned without Taylor having to
be on the episode. Yeah, oh now I just bring them all the
time, like technically Miss Marvels because she had to shown them the movie like
she was bouncing your tween Like I guess not, but like I mean,
she lives in New York. I think still who knows where she lives at
this point? Yeah, give me please give me a scene of am On
Villani and John Berthall. I want to see that conversation between the Punisher and
Miss Marvels. What do they talk about? Like what like Burthell would get
lots of good comedy gold like he's pants, he's so good that I I
trust it, yea, But yeah, I don't know. There's there's something
about this that seems like it's not gonna be the case for me. I
don't I guess if I had to pin, Like the Kate Bishop and the
Jessica Jones part are the things that send out the most to me as not
really lining up for whatever reason, because obviously you got the connection between like,
but I don't like, I don't see how you leap frog that and
a spider Man though, that seems like too much for me, Like I
feel like if you want a character like that, like, she all cannot
like a super strong she's not personality wise like Jessica. But I feel like
that makes more sense in Nancy U verse when you get dared Vil because of
the Seld connection there, and that's like, where what else is she all
going to do? Well? She's not New York though, right, She's
in Los Angeles. I know, what's my leap. I'm sure she can
jump that. That's true pretty quick. Maybe if it's like a serious issue
like that, they don't want she's gonna be a bit kind of quippi to
be around, like I know, Spider Man, I guess. But like
all these other characters we listed other than Kate Bishop are serious like Echo Punisher,
Jessica Jones, Matt can be a little quippi, but he's more serious
side, So I think that's maybe it is just the tone, same thing
as like why Kamala wouldn't be around, And I don't know it. I'm
I really want like it's a you know, it's a like what is it
the first world problem? But I do really want some like soume confirmation like
what is happening with this movie? Because we just keep hearing like obviously at
least we keep hearing Daredevil come up, So I'm happy about that. And
it's kind of like the Wolverine thing where honestly, if I got Daredevil in
it, that's really all I would need. I wouldn't need like I don't
get me wrong, I wouldn't turn these down, but I would just I
just really want Daredevil and Spider Man, and I want those two to be
together for a movie and go from there and Kingpinn with some other big villain.
Great, that's all I need. But I do get And this is
what I was talking about today, because that's been the big h you know,
because you're on social media. The big like complaint against this has just
been like, oh, why can't they just make a Spider Man movie?
You know, it's just like as usual. It's like a business agreement,
and Sony signed on this agreement wanting MSU characters. You know. It's just
like so I never get why people have not really understood that. And I
get that you want to sol a Peter movie, but it's like you have
five of those already. That's not Tom Holme regardless. Sure, but and
even to me in Home Coming Afar from Home, Fury and Stark are in
them, but they're in them for such a small amount, like no way
Home I could give you. But that to me is just never a complaint,
Like and I would get why Sony kiss. I don't think any of
those characters we listed, Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Punisher, they're as big
as Iron Man by themselves, but altogether as a package, I think that's
really cool and really tempting for them to be like, hey, we don't
have a big, a tier character, but five characters here really interesting.
I just don't the probably don't buys the Civil War park because I just don't
think it's not like the movie Civil War. We had all these phases that
made sense throwing all these characters in here, like oh, there's a conflict
that just doesn't That just doesn't make sense to me, Like you need a
lot of build up to get there. In my opinion, I also feel
like that what we maybe want and maybe what would be best for the character
would be a small scale Peter movie where he's you know, finding himself again
and there's like one villain, And that's probably like the safest bet in terms
of like this will be a good movie, but like, what are you
gonna do. You're gonna have two movies that will save equivalent like threat level
and whatnot, and then you're gonna go to this thing where there's multi versus.
They bring about Toby and Garfield and they had all these like your favorite
Spider Man villains, and then what the next movie after that is just gonna
be like, oh yeah, we took like seven steps back and it's just
like a boring, old simple movie. Of course, me and you,
Travis and the people in our school we want that, but I don't think
Marvel's not gonna look at it that way. Even something like Captain America.
Look at that, like how they ratchet that up the intensity of that to
like building up to civil War, and that looks like they're gonna make Captain
America four even though it's you know, slight difference, it's a new cap
character, but still like they're gonna bring a bunch of other characters. Thor
had a slimmer thing where smaller scale is the first two. Then you go
to Rag and Rock and you start introducing all these other side characters, and
then like Thor Love and Thunder throws Guardians in there. You know, like
that wasn't very meaningful, but it was still like, Okay, we got
to ratchet up the intensity. How many characters are in here? And I
just feel like you can't really. I think I think you could go backwards,
but I think from the Marvel perspective, I think from a marketing perspective,
from the Sony's you know, they're getting their grubby little fingers in there.
I don't think they look at it and think, oh yeah, let's
go back to just some simple movie. And so even then, like I
think, compared to the big characters in No Way Home, I don't think
these characters even set a chance in terms of like big popular hype levels.
I mean, you got the Netflix fans in there, I guess, but
even that's been so many years since those shows were happening. So it definitely
doesn't feel like as big as No Way Home. But it feels like an
attempt towards that at least. Well that's always been my issue, like not
that like same thing you said, Not that I have an issue with it,
but when people said, oh, you know, it just be Daredevil.
I want that. But does Sony view Charlie Cox's Daredevil as big as
you know, Robert Downey, Sam Jackson and Bendic Compbatch. Absolutely not,
even to me, Daredevil and Kington as a package. Not. So that's
why I think, at least if it's like six or seven characters, maybe
they look at that the same thing as like, okay, it's a ground
level thing. But if it is, if I could see Figgy and Team.
If they keep pitching it to Sony like this is the next Civil War,
maybe that's how they could sell. And hell, who knows. Maybe
whatever we do, maybe that's where we do get a Tom Hardy in there,
right, Like that could be another thing where oh we'll throw in one
of these Sony things. So it's like you got burnth and cause like burnh
All's a good star and like Hayley Steinfield's a big enough star, and I
think the other ones have like certain levels. But I agree with you.
That's always my fears. I want them to go back to basics, and
I think that's what they need. But do they few they can do after
No Way Home? I don't know. I hope they do. I'd love
that because I think like, as long as it's quality, that'll that'll come.
Maybe it won't be your billion dollar earner, but I still think he's
gonna be in all these Avengers movies. That's where you can get your Spider
action. But of course it's a Sony movie, right, So they also
don't want to be like save the billion dollar movie for like Marvel Studio stuff.
We also want to be the billion dollar movie. And yeah, and
you know, like there's a good chance that Zendia is not on in this
next movie. Either she's a no, she's a big deal these days too,
right, she'll be in also you think you think she'll have a big
role in it. They'll they'll fork over tons of money to make sure.
I think so. I think that's why the story wise, like Reconnect,
I thought that like doesn't then take away from all you think they just don't
care about the story implications. They just got to do it because she's India.
I think you get halfway through it, like the first half of the
movie is like, oh, like you seem familiar, and then like by
the end of the movie there together they're kissing. I think it's I think
it reminds we were just some X Men. It reminds me a lot of
Jennifer Lawrence's Mystique, where Mystique those movies were like why is Mystique such a
big main character? Why she on the X Men team? But it was
like Jennifer Lawrence like blew up in between those movies. And I think Zendia
is the same thing where they will find a reason some film will kidnap her
or something like. I think Zendia will one hundred per sent b in Spider
Man four, and like a supporting character, I think they will have her
in there. I guess. I'm I'm thinking about the the closest equivalent in
the MCU is like star Lord and Gomora and obviously more is in Guardians three,
just as much as she isn't any other one. But they didn't do
the thing that a lot of us thought they would have, Like they just
make her and star Lord get together again and there's some big, happy family,
and I mean, who even knows what the future of Guardians is,
of course with the James Gunn situation of it, But I don't know,
Like they didn't do it there. They didn't just get them back together.
She's not Sandea though, you know, biggest, biggest sh dude. Zoeys
Aldana though, that's like the original Zendia, Zendias and Saldana. That's she's
a billion dollar movie maker right there. She has more billion dollar movies than
Zendeia than anyone else. Majority of people in the world did not know she
Yes, she's always wearing green skin or like blue cgi but still she's huge.
Yeah, I guess I just don't think she's in demand like Zendia.
You know, she's not leading franchises like hers. I think I think this
is where though. And I also just don't think they're gonna do Gwen.
I don't think they're gonna do black Cat. I don't think they're gonna do
like what's another love interest out there. It's like even just Felicia Hardy.
I think they're gonna just stick with MJ. And it's not something I want.
But I think with Zendia, and plus they're dating in real life too,
so I think that's the way. Like Tom keeps doing this thing,
I think that helps. I don't know if it helps. I think it
helps because I think Tom keeps doing the singer's like I don't know, like
I want to come back, but I'm not too sure how much you'll do
it. I think if they get them both on, it's like, uh,
oh, well we're doing it together, right, so like where we
fell in love and stuff. So I think I think you pull the Zendaya.
And you know, I feel like Zenda at some point in her career
is just gonna stop doing these big blockbuster things and just go win like five
Oscars in a row or something. I think she'll go do that, but
I don't know if she's doing that yet, because I think, you know,
doing's happening like I think right now is like her Blockbuster, She's gonna
do it all, and then Euphoria is like her acting and Era. Yeah,
yeah, exactly. Yeah, Well, we'll see. I hope we
get some details on this soon because we're gonna get all those Sony movies next
year, so I hope after that we start to learn something because it's been
pretty quiet. We don't even have a we don't even know if we have
a director of respirement for because I don't know if John Watson is coming back
because that was the other room that they were meeting with, Like they want
Wats to come back, but there's other people. So remind me, did
he do one, two and three? One, two and three? Yeah?
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We'll be right back and we're back. So we're gonna do the two
quick hit movie things just because we are gonna table the Wolverine League last,
just in case no one wants to know any sort of details. Luckily,
I don't think they's do any like massive story spoilers out there. But if
you don't even want to know, like certain characters and stuff, then you
can skip ahead. But if not to there will be a cutout on the
main feed and on the side quest feeds, so look out for that.
So these things we've got to talk about because this happened like like the day
after two days after the Game Awards. But A twenty four is making a
death stranding movie, so it's not the most time, I think, but
I want to talk about because like, also don't have Kirkle I don't think
you ever beat it, but you mean big death stranding fans and yeah,
like I said, not beater of games, but no, yeah, buyer
of least. But yeah, what do you think about this Sadegajima team on
A twenty four making a det stranding movie. There's nothing about a director,
there's nothing about like if it's gonna be based on the game, just that
that's happening. So when were you surprised that's a movie in two? What
do you think about A twenty fours? Dude that we love, we love
seeing what they put out. What do you think about them taking the reins
on this one. Yeah, I mean, I guess I not really that
surprised. I mean, like, death Stranding has so many freaking cut scenes
in it. It's such a story focused game, and kajimas talked about his
love for movies and all these things, so it doesn't shock me in this
era where video game adaptations are happen left right and center into the TV and
movie realm of things A twenty four that's awesome. I think that's a great
pairing. It's very fitting for what deask Stranding is in terms of the weirdness
of it, and so that makes me excited. But in terms of the
I don't know. I'm excited. I can't wait to see what it is,
but I just feel like there's no way that they can live up to
what the story and world of that game is. In a movie, you
need like three seasons of a TV like that game is long. That is
a long game. I just feel you're gonna have to cut a lot of
stuff make it a simplified version. It can definitely work. You can make
make it more of a personal journey and tone it down and whatnot. I
don't know. I guess I just love the game so much, and I
know that it was like sixty hours long. I just I don't know how
you do that. Well, I guess is there a chance they do that?
Good old. It's in the world of dest Stranding, and it is
based on that world, but it's not about it's not Sam Porter Bridges,
and it's not Mad's Michelson. Yeah. Do you think that's a possibility in
this scenario, right, because I was thinking, Man, you just get
Norman ritis play the character again. Mad's Marc oh Man marcot quality. Please
get her in that project. She's so good. Con O'Brien, make sure
he's in there. I get going to get Jeff Keey is in that game,
right, so oh he can't wait. He's like my big break coming.
You know that there'll be a fifteen minute spot of the next game or
where he can Yeah, I get Garamo even though it was like a different
voice, right, yeah, get that same voice action to do his voice
again, you know. Yep. Troy Baker, he's another one that's just
like, oh my god, I get to be in it. I would
be down to see that too. Yeah, So that's a good point.
I guess I was under the impression that it would be a retelling of the
story, But I feel like the story that was told would be hard to
do because I feel like the interactive nature of it and the spacing the loneliness
of it is so important, and I just feel like maybe some of that
stuff is hard to like. Even in that game, the pacing is crazy,
that you walk from the east coast to the west coast or whatever it
is like to do that in a movie, I think would come across as
like really wonky. So I don't know. I think that maybe is the
route to go go do something else within that world, and that that would
just open cracks, it open a whole lot. But then I think I
actually get a lot less interested potential, Like I'm interested that I'll still see
this day when I watch every trailer and talk about your own geek First,
of course, but I love the characters in that game, almost every single
one of them. I really really enjoyed both the performance and the story stuff
going on and the interactions between them and all that. So I guess I
feel very conflict of this one, as you can tell, Travis, I
don't know, ye, I mean, I'm interested, but I can't say
it was maybe my top pick for a video game adaptation to a movie.
And let's say they do just the full on we're gonna do the story.
Do you expect them to get the original actors or do you expect them to
get new people? Oh? Man, I feel like it'd probably be hard
to get every single one of them back, just because of how scheduling works
in the in the world. I guess it depends how much of the crew
they they decide to get. Because I'm Norman, Retis would absolutely make it
happen, and he would be like, you gotta get him. You can't.
You can't skip out on that, I think. I think, Yeah,
I think Mad's is the must, and I think it could happen as
well easily. I think is also a lock to who else. I think
LEAs too would be a lot because Kajima and her are always like like they've
been spawed together, not like a People magazine, not like that. But
there's many times of them like hanging out, like hanging out like I think
their friends passed that or they became friends from that experience. I think he
was a big fan of her work. They work together and they think context.
I feel like there, I feel like that trio is like that's your
main cast, yes, and that gets the job done. And then you
know you can you could bring like what was it the guy up in the
mountains like hart Heart, Well there's die Hardman and there was Hartman. Yeah,
I think Hartman. Yet that's the kind of character you where you cut
die Hardman. I mean, I guess you need some like president or not
president, but like government e people, and he was one of those main
main guy. I really want Mama in there though. I just want quality,
you see, And I think that's one I think you can do the
game. You just cut a lot of that stuff. I think you gotta
fcause the biggest thing about that is you got to have the deaf stranding vibe.
You've got to have that lost it to me, this like almost I
don't think they would, but I feel like it requires to be a three
hour movie. You have to make it feel like you've been through in the
track like and for me, the best person that I want directed I don't
know, because my theory is always like Kajem's gonna direct it, because we
always say when Jem is gonna direct a movie. I could see this being
his first one and taking a chance, and especially because then if it hits,
it's his own project. He knows it, and that could be big
for him. But the what I thought is like what I want for the
vibe and again you know, geek for Zaida and love it. It pained
me, but I want David Lowry to direct it. He's got that green
Knight, that slow pace of god like walking through hot like hiking the mountains,
trying to get to his end point, seeing a big giant like.
I think that just kind of lull in that slow, monotonous pace in a
good way is what this needs, because you need to get that sense of
dread when you're hiking. So that's why I think that they cut Mama.
They'd cut heartman. I think they keep the government stuff, they'd keep the
mom's storyline, and they'd keep Mickelson, and I think that they'd streamline just
those really main and what's her name, Amelia, right, I feel like
you need to have she was like, she doesn't need to be in the
movie very much, but I think you gotta have her in there. Why
am I f forging about me? It was like the red dress, like
the long blonde hair. She's not really like you see at the very beginning
and then the end. I think she tied to like some of the twist
stuff, right, um to find twist stuff like that who plays her Amelia?
She was an older actress and then they omily Yeah, because yeah,
because there's a I just thought that was a big like driving for Sam as
the character, right yeah, because I'm trying to say something because there's something
about that character. I can't remember if it's a twist or not, but
I agree with you that character's crucial. That's what i'd say. I agree
with you that you need you need that character, and that's one that I
don't think hurts of Like, oh, man, how do you also fit
that character in it? Like I think that could be a character with oh,
just a small amount of screen time that we can still get that.
Yeah, because there is that one like it's myers supposed but someone to do
with her character at the end where it's a very long prologue that's or no
sorry monologue, that's stuff you could probably trim down a little. So I
think you're thinking because man, like once again, long game, hard to
remember, like where certain story beats happened and whatnot. Obviously, the game
can be shorter or longer depend on how much you build highways and shit.
But I'm trying to think, like, is there a good point in that
game story that you can remember that would be like a good like the way
Dune was like part one at the very end, I was like, Okay,
this was a self contained movie, but you're you're leaving it open,
so you could do more. Like I'm trying to think if there's a sp
a spot in that story where we could take it and like here, yeah,
if they only get one shot at it, they make it work.
And I feel like A twenty four is that kind of that kind of studio
you know? Yeah, but then if you if it's super successful or people
want more you, you could go further down that route. I think if
the intention was for for sure and for part one and part two, I
think the part one could end when you have that big boss bout with Troy
Baker's character, because it's a big rul the es so that first one and
then yeah, he's like in it, but like just in hints and exactly.
Yeah. So that's why I feel like you could do that. But
I think if they're saying, oh, we've only got one shot. Troy
Baker's character Infortu, she gets all pretty much cut out, and that just
becomes like kind of a goon like character. So I'd say that I think
even if they just make it about like even you know, I love I
Love your Green Night comparison, I think that would be a great actor choice.
But even just the way that character descends into madness in Green Night,
I feel like that you could very much do that with Sam and it's just
him against the Goo monsters and we're not generally like, oh yeah, bring
on more CGI villains, but I think you could the creepiness. I'm already
picturing the music and just him getting sucked into these places, you know,
under the world of the Tar, whatever happened. They're like, it could
very much just be like Norman Ritus, just one man play sort of vibe,
and I think that could work for the most part. Yeah, I
was so mad. On their website, they put out an a twenty four
shirt with like the things that hang down you're not supposed touch in the game
when they're like in be invisible. So it was the logo with those hanging
downs that you like snip like the yeah umbilical cords or whatever, the sign
up for notifications because it went live at six, like we'll let you know
when it's you know, a lot like being sold and the next time on
a website, just like all the Soldiers, all the shirts were sold out.
I was so mad. I wanted the shirt so bad. That happened
last time with the four shirt. Yeah, and have you ever seen the
A twenty four everything everywhere all at one shirt. That's another one I wanted
and it's sold out right away. They make so few of these shirts,
and like I would buy all these, I just get annoy with them.
It's all like the googly eyes and stuff. So but the one thing what
I do like about this, so I don't know, I'm for both.
I'm for if they come out and say we're doing a complete you know,
adaption in the game, great. If they do a story within the world,
that's great. I'm all down for desk stranting. I love that world
director. Like I said, I could see either way of like an experience
or Kadjena is the first one. I think. Just my biggest positive from
this is not even that Death Stranding is being made into a movie. I'm
just happy that it was a couple of weeks ago or maybe months ago.
Rememberhen we talked about there's a report that A twenty four is gonna get into
bigger budget films, and we're like, Okay, we get that you have
to do that as a studio. You have to grow and make that profit,
but we just don't want them to lose who they are. And to
me, death Stranding, that's like a perfect combo of that could be a
big budget sci fi action a venture movie, but that's not losing a twenty
fours. Like I feel like that fits right in their wheelhouse of oh weirder
type of blockbuster. Same thing we're gonna tell them on the twenty twenty four
preview, But like, that's war movie where it's about America divides in half
and they're having a civil war with each other, and that's where it's like,
oh, that's a twenty four where it's gonna be an action movie about
American versus American, but there's this very political spin. So that's why it
was Civil War and now Death Stranding. I'm liking the okay, Like Civil
War is A twenty fourth's most expensive movie ever it's seventy five million, which
is funny, that's their biggest most expensive movie. But so to me,
it's like, if these are the first few signs of the big blockbusters we're
getting, I'm very happy. I'm happy. It's not like a God of
War or a you know, obviously Uncharted was done. It's something like that.
I think this fits their wheelhouse and this just gives me hope for what
they're going to do in the future. So yeah, and speaking film,
it in uh New Zealand. Yes, not very dark and rainy. Yeah,
not the volume you need. They you gotta be outside for this.
You've got to have natural sets and grass and everything like that. So the
next thing, so I'm a video game related is this is smaller news,
but I'm bringing back up because the screw were reported and it's the first time
it's come up. And plus I I don't think I've gotten your opinion on
this because I covered on a trust told you. But uh, the same
Scooper that put out the mcux men news put out that Illuminati has not Illuminati
Illumination has either pitched or they're going to be pitching Nintendo that they want to
do their Avengers and they want to do a lead up and have that obviously
be Super Smash Pros. But what I was bringing up, and this is
what I want to ask you, because we haven't talked about this on the
news together with the other guys, is they now there was a rumor that
Illumination pitched them doing Zelda and they said no, and then they went to
Sony and they did the live action Zelda. And that's what I want to
ask you, like with this, if there's some supposed pitch, do you
think like a Zelda can work both where it's a live action animation. Do
you think Zelda in animation would be like a Hulk where you just have link
in the crew as characters but there's not a movie, or do you see
a Smash Pros movie where it's like the MC without the X Men for a
bit where Okay, I don't think they gave the rights away, but what
if there's a because that was the whole thing that they Illumination wanted to make
it and Sony I'll bid them or I'll pitch them, whatever the deal is.
Do you think that would be the route where we could maybe have Super
Smash Ros but they just I don't include any Zelda link stuff, you know,
like that's me the real because those were the rumblings. But then when
that happened to me, I thought this project was dead because I thought,
well, that's odd that they had this billion dollar hit Mario and then they
or you know, with Mario Illumination, they decide to go with Sony,
who was very iffy. So that's why I thought, Okay, Super Smash
Us is probably dead because they're already splitting up the studios and stuff. So
like, what do you see the like with the Zelda of it all,
because that's not a rumor, that's a confirmed thing. Live action Sony movie
is happening. Yeah. Do you think that's just like an easy piece that
you move out? Do you think it's something that maybe this is just a
pipe dream and Nintendo won't want to do this as an actual movie, Like
sure, Illunation wants to do it, but Nintendo has really no interest in
doing a Smash Bro Sepa movie. Yeah, how would that work on terms
of film rights and whatnot? Like could there not be an animated Zelda?
Yeah, as long as the Tendo didn't sign Yeah, I don't think they
did. But as long as Nintendo didn't sign like an exclusive deal. I
don't think they did. I think it was just the idea that Illumination was
kind of caught off guard that, oh, why is this happened? So
it could still happen an animated movie and could that work? Though? Can
you have two at the same time? I think for Zelda you can.
Yeah. I think other Nintendo properties might not fare the same, but I
think Zelda and Mario are just so huge that I think I think you can
get away with it. Mario did have a live action movie, remember,
but I think that is one that could happen, and I think they could
be very different tonally. Now obviously we know the Zelda movies happening, but
we don't really know very much about it. I guess we have a director,
do we do we have a writer as Yeah, it's not good.
Yeah, I can't remember, but it's it's one of those of like I'm
not expecting good thing. I think, like one of the biggest credits tck
to pick pikach but I'll let me get it. But it was there's more
questionable projects there, yeah, because I remember the director is like the Mays
runner, uh Mayze runner guy right, yeah, and the new Apes guy,
that guy. And you know what, my my prediction, I'm putting
this out there nice and early. Let me get his name here. My
prediction for link Castle is gonna be is gonna be Thomas Brody Sangster, who
is in Maye Runner, okay, like in those trilogy movies, and he
was in another one of that director's movies. I think. So there's a
big connection there. And I don't know if you remember this guy. Look
him up, Thomas Brody Sangster. This, this guy's got link written all
over him. This is a link if I've ever seen one. He plays
like the night the nice person in in Maybe Yeah Love Actually kid, Yeah,
I could see him. That's just how old is the guy nice?
Thirty three though, okay, he looks like he looks fifteen. Yeah,
no, I could see that. I could see that. The other fancast
right now is the Percy Jackson kid. That's the other one. And then
the other one thirty thirty years or older. The other one I want is
the mean pick is the is Hunter Schaeffer, and the mean pick is her.
But it's her, no me either, but it's her playing link Ann
Zelda I'm like, oh, that'd be fantastic. You know, it doesn't
make sense. What do you mean like Linkenzel because she just looks like she
has features similar to them both, so that you just have okay, yeah,
yeah, yeah, So here's here's the right pick one, you pick
one front yeah. Here here here's the writer. So they wrote Drastic World,
Congskull Island, Jurassic World, Fall and Kingdom, Detective Peach, Pikachu,
Jurassic World Dominion, and Rise of Skywalker. Right, so I see,
because I remember you talking that you weren't happy with the writer and it's
not I understand why, but yeah, I also understand why they why they
picked that person. That makes sense. Yeah, yeah, we told them
the discord, right because the billion dollar like massive hit movies other than Pikachi,
they're all hit movies, Oscar winning editor writer all yeah, yeah,
So how do you feel about one pitch? So you feel like, okay,
they could do both, which I think maybe. I think if they
do, what I'd like is they do the live action one with an adult
and I would love it if they did the animation in the style of like
wind Waker or something like that, like really set them apart where the animation
could be like the kid link your two you know young link to link and
then animation is you know your guy or Percy Jackson kid or Hunter shaff for
like my god, yeah, you're your pick. So that's I like,
how would you feel if they said they were going to do it without Zeldo
If they're like, we don't want to cross streams, so we'll do smash
rows but zero Zelda, zero link, zero anything. Uh yeah, I
think you could get away with it. I think you get away with it.
But I feel like with Zelda what you mentioned there of like win Waker
versus Breatha Wild versus okoare Time, you have so many different art styles and
tones as well. Yeah, exactly that that art style that who knows what
they go for for the live action movie. But I think no matter what,
you could still do something different, Like I don't know what what kind
of era do you think they're going to try and match up esthetically with one
of those eras of Zelder? Are they just going to kind of do their
own thing for this live action? Oh? For live action? I think
it. I have to in my crystal Ball if there is for like,
if there was a live action animated for sure, then I think they'd say
we got to go with this style. If there's not, I think it's
just kind of fantasy. Like I think the the director did say something about
a certain kind of like anime aesthetic, and I don't think like exactly the
old school anime, but there's some movie he would say. I mean,
if he said that, I would think Breath of the While. That seems
to me, I agree with you, like Ghibly anime ish sort of thing.
I don't know if it was Ghibli, but I think it was something
like that, like Zelda inspiration. But I think they I would hope so
to me if they're not, because I just like an illumination, go ahead,
a live action Miyazaki film and that's the one like burn the Hair,
so and to me that makes sense. And like for me, if you
are a director or writer and you don't have like an like a visual idea
for Zella, to me, you wouldn't get the job. It's like you've
gotta have. I would think that's a thing you'd have to have for this
movie, whether it's whatever era. You should have a take and a look
for it should not just look like generic fantasy movie you know, like has
a look. I think you just Yeah, for this animated one, I
think you just straight up go like Akring of Time style. You really tone
up that saturation, that brightness. Uh. And you have stupid jokes of
Link rolling into a wall and bonking and like smashing urn and like doing all
the crazy noises that he does. Uh. You have like the the fairy
that I'm greatting in the name of like just being really annoying. Yeah,
I think you go you go hard on that tone and obviously an okrew time
even and especially with drors mask get pretty dark, and you touch on that
to some extent in the way that the mar movie has like like a scary
moment or two. And then like Bowsers talking about killing Mario like he's dropping,
he's dropping the k we're in this situation, but like it's still is
illumination, lighthearted and fun. So I think I think you got to and
maybe for that then you go with I don't know, I guess if you're
doing awkward time, you're doing like a time travel thing or there's young and
adult Link. I guess you could go that way, But I feel like
the illumination style to me, like, just just young Link, you just
go with that vicration of it. Yeah, wind Waker's cool and all,
but I don't think you do that for the the sup Like, I don't
think you do that as I think they'll super Smash Bros. I think that's
like more of the deviation. And I don't know if they ever do that
in the movie sense, I just want that art style. I'd love to
see some Steo try and do that art style they do. They have a
sequence in the movie somehow where he's going time traveling and then somehow gets sucked
into some other dimensions. We threw a Mario pipe in the wall and then
like, yeah, you see that, you go into win Waker World for
like five minutes, So you can get that. You can have fun with
it, but it doesn't have to be the whole thing. I think you
can can still get a little bit of that. Yeah, i'd agree.
I hope something like that happens and for me on the Smash film and of
course, like I want the he and you know Selha wasn't in the original
game, right, it was just Link who Sorry, Zelda wasn't in the
original the very first Link. Yeah, just like I'd want him there,
but at the same point, I could also let's say they said they didn't
want to do that. You know, we don't want to cross Paul Nate,
we don't want to do anime movie, we won't to do anything.
Maybe there's like an Easter egg or two. But I could see them maybe
taking the route because I do think I'm completely fine that I read comics,
I love the games, but maybe they want to stick to just the really
more cartoony characters like a Donkey Kong, Mario Star, faux Kirby, you
know, things like that where Samus link like you not that they would get
there, but like you know, snake like there's something more like human.
I would not trust illumination with Metroid. Yeah, and that's where I wonder
too, if like that's the idea of well, like, of course I
love them to be there, but you don't need Zelda Ford to happen the
same way the Avengers. The Avengers didn't have members on that team when they
first did it, right, so I could see the pitch of, hey,
if Zelda's not included, that's still fine because Natino has like a pluth
throa of characters, and I think there are somewhere It's like, it's fun
when we play the game, but in a movie world is like, how
does Sam's fit into this? Right? Like the space when we're star Fucks.
You see star Fucks and Mario's side by side, Go, okay,
these are two kind of goofy characters, like I can buy this right away.
So and I think too, like you want to be realistic, you
don't want to even the first roster of the video game, you can't.
I just think they do that size wise with the Pokemon and all the Mario
characters, Like you'd have to limit the Pokemon. Yeah, I wonder rights
wise how that Yeah, I don't think. Yeah, I don't think they
they'd hammer that out because what do we they gonna make it happen? Though,
because I feel like you need I think you need Mario, Zelda,
and Pokemon. I think those are the three pillars because someone like starf Like
I don't know if Starfux is getting anyone to buy a ticket for this,
and the answer is yes, But like, I don't know. I think
you need. I think you need bigger names than and I think that's how
that's how you do it. You get Pokemon in there, because there's so
much you can do with Pokemon. You know, you you put squirrel in
like in the movie for five seconds and people will give it a ten out
of ten. There's a lot of a lot of Pokemon fans out there,
so let's see. I was just look on the original roster cam Fuck,
can you get kem falk in there? Yeah? I wonder if it's just
like you get like a lot of just Mario characters, because what you got
don Kong? We know that's gonna happen. I mean yeah, Donkey Kong
would probably get his own movie first, right, so that makes sense link.
I think Star Fucks would another Mario sequel, right, And I think
Yoshi could do Yoshi's Island and stuff, and I just really you think they
do Yo? No, Yoshi's just in Mario? I think no. I
think if Mari, I think with it being a billion dollar movie, they
will. I think they're gonna like Despicable Me. How do you think they
could pull off a Yoshi movie? Yes? You know why full movie with
Baby Mario. The merch sells itself. Don Baby Mario here grows like,
what's the character, what's the what's the dialogue is Yoshi talking in in this
they get Robert Downey as Yoshi, Like what are they The minions don't talk
though, right, and they have their own movie. They pair them up
with other characters that can talk. So I think you just pair Yoshian baby
Mario with somebody that can talk and then you're you're good to go. Do
you even have a Yusha Yoshi move at that point? It's just like Troy
just sados in there if dispictleed me. You got these character memort like,
and they got their own movie yoshikund that can be Yosha. Don't the minion
the minions talk? Don't they know? They speak in like they say but
no noah, but that's about it. They don't they speak minioniese Yeah,
Okay, that's that's the thing where I'm I think the only ever illumination thing
I've ever seen is is Mario. So I don't I don't know they're chops
in that way, but I guess you're because that's the other thing I was
thinking is like Kirby, pretty big character, but like, I don't you
do Kirby movie? Like what do you? How do you make that work?
But I guess if you don't do link, Yeah, you got something
there with that. I also think animal crossing could be one that's not in
the original game. It's not even in Melee, not even in But I
think I think you do animal Crossing potentially a big deal. Do you touch
Earthbound or Ice Climbers, Ice Climbers? Know? I think Ness you Ness
could be in Smash, but he wouldn't have his own movie. Yeah,
yeah, all right, Yeah, we'll see. That's what I'm wonderingular I
think. I also think like there will do Luigi's Manter movie that will make
Luigi bigger, So I could see a lot of Yeah, I could see
a lot of the Super Smash. Yeah, I played like walking Phoenix.
I would love whenever it looks in the mirror, it's just actually walking inside.
Yeah. No, I think we'll have the way and see. I
think that's what I'm waiting from that shoot to drop to see if they announce
a Zelda anime movie, because I think that'll tell us a lot. And
I could see the Super Smash Bro's movie being littered with just a lot of
Mario characters, Peach Warreo. Yeah, like they could just take that route.
Because it is super smash, right. The Pokemon thing, I don't
know because I just don't know if you need them. I think you need
them truly. I think for the higher emblem. What do you think about
fire emblem to niche, I think to get a movie still, probably right,
not for part one. Not for part one. They got a locked
down Pokemon first. I just I just don't know because it's in that company.
Always kind of weird with Nintendo in general too sometimes posmon. Yeah,
so they're a separate company. Yeah they're not. Yeah, Like are they
gonna be like take the call, like, hey, we want you to
be in our movie and like what's the profit mark? Like it would to
me be like much like Spider Man with Marvel and Sony. There'd be have
to be many lawyers in a room cracking down who gets what profit wise.
I just don't feel like Pokemon's that defensive with their ip okay you know me
on that. There's like a million Pokemon movies and TV shows, like they
know that stuff works and it gets fans out there. They did DETECTI Pikachu,
so they got the animation style down, you know, get the creepy
Jiggley puff in there. Goddamn. Well, we'll see, we'll see.
But I like that there's deep I like those rumors going around, and I
hope with pitch goes well. I want them to take it. I pitch
good because if not, then we're gonna get a bunch of solo stuff.
So what if we just call it like a game and watch movie, then
it's over. It's over. The universe is over before it starts. You
know. That's like starting with Quantumedia. You don't start with Quantumedia or second
with it. But yeah, alright, so now if you want to to
in case you don't want anything, but I guess that we're not gonna be
talking about any spoiler stuff. We're gonna talking about stuff that is out there
and stuff but nothing because I don't even think that's out there. But we're
gonna be talking about this big Insomniac Wolverine leaks. I would say there's spoilers
involved in this. I mean yeah, but I it's I guess for me,
it's just like with the character roster being out there, Like, I
get it, it is a spoiler, but to me, it's not like,
ah, man, that's ruined the game for me. You know,
like, like, I don't think there's anything that's ruined the game for me.
If anything, like it did make me more except but like, what
do you what do you know about this this league so far? Have you
watched all the footage, looked at all the Discord stuff? Have you?
Where have you been on it? I've looked through the Discord stuff good,
and that's pretty much the extent. Honestly, I didn't really dig too much
deeper than that, but even that was like, holy shit, there's a
lot to chew on. I need to place myself here. Yeah, what
do you think about just the in game stuff? First? I'm curious,
uh, the like footage of I guess, yeah, well I guess there
was the footage of Gene. I just saw, like the foot of Gene.
She's a playable She's for sure playable character. So our MJ missions and
Wolverine are going to be Gene Gray missions, which I think are a but
now you're gonna have a magic, telekinetic floating character and low stealth character and
they can actually fight massive step up to me. Yeah, I mean,
of course, it's very early, rough footage that is missing a lot of
art and whatnot from what I've seen so obviously in that way, it's like,
ah, I mean, it doesn't look amazing, but I I am
very excited for what we have cooking in the next few years with Insomniac.
I guess I'll put it that way. But yeah, I gotta go to
this gene footage because that I want to see that. In part, that's
because I don't think I need to see videos of what like Wolverine looks like
you have to know, like I already have one hundred percent faith, but
like, I gotta see what this uh jeen gray stuff looks like. So
I'm more curious on that. So how did that look? The magic and
whatnot? It looks good. She's popping off some purple magic. She was
fighting off multiple enemies. She had like projectiles and stuff, and yeah,
she was I think floating a little, so it looked good. I'm all
of that look good to me. I love. People are kind of comparing
it. They said it looked like a Arkham Asylum meets God of War,
And I think we had talked about before where God of War might be a
good template for them where it's minor the open world, but not really it's
a to and from and it looks like it's that it has stuff like the
Batman thing. It fits for Wolverine where Batman has the Tech Division and he
is like smell a vision where he's going around and smelling stuff and that's like
leading the trace. Like that's really cool. Some of the action, Like
it's kind of like what you said were because and saw me. I trust
them, But it was like a reaffirming of all this just looks like when
it looks like it's gonna be if this to me looks good when we hit
the found product, this is gonna be great, Like this looks exactly like
everything I wanted from there, and which I mean, yeah, I didn't
like, would anyone have any doubts? Like in Somac has just been absolutely
crushing it for years at this point, so yeah, yeah, I feel
like I we had a one hundredercent faith. It's just it's cool to see
other characters, I guess because that's the stuff we didn't really know about.
Well, that's that's what I was gonna ask you, what do you do
you want to talk about the rumored lineup or do you want to talk about
the rumored game lineup? First? Maybe, oh man, maybe start with
the game laneup. So the gene thing's interesting because so the supposed roadmap came
out and that's where you know it's out there, and so so far it
sounds like we're getting Venom twenty twenty five, which is a far way way.
But I think that's just like a Miles Morales equivalent where smaller game can
I this is a spoiler conversation. Sure, spider Man two question if he's
playing on that game, I've guessing Spider Man absolutely, yes, Okay,
that what fantastic. I can't wait for you to play it. They like
hit it, They hit home run with the whole sequence. You do a
boss fight sequence, so it's just like one part or it is the open
world with him afterwards. No, you could. They fixed it. There
was a bug where you could escape and go over the world. But it's
like a really put together sequence, but it's not like a cut time sequence.
It's a full level but you're as Venom, but you there's also a
boss flight like you fight another big Spiderman film as Venom, and it's a
really sad So it doesn't sound like you were like, oh shit, man,
they should have like had him as a full playable character. That doesn't
sound like you're diappointed by the implementation, even if I was limited. I
wanted that. But I think because we're in the post Miles Moralese world,
I just thought this Venom game is not a surprise. I thought we're gonna
get that eventually, so to be playing as them. They nailed that,
and the sequence to me actually went on longer than I thought it was gonna
go. I thought it would just be a slice, and like like an
MJ mission, it's it's much longer than any two hours, one hour.
No, No, it's probably it. I feel like I'm building it up.
It's probably shorter than that, but it's just that I'd say it's like
an MJ mission times too, so the way she's but it's just like it
it feels so spoof, like as DNA, it's like everything you want,
like how we complained about ultimate lines, like he doesn't feel like that's like
he's so it's so fun. It's like a dream come true as that.
So okay, So yeah, that's that's well, And that's not the first
thing up, I guess the first thing up is Spider Man two multiplayer or
whatever online. I guess yeah there because that they're back and forth. Yeah,
and that's where people don't know if it's a for sure thing happening.
But yeah, I think it goes SPERMNT two online and then the Venom game,
which I'm really curious about the like is Speriment two online just you can
just swing around with your friends and do things at the same time. I
don't think so I know something that they just have happened at launch cold,
Like what is it? What is I don't know, Like I just don't
see them doing like six months later, you can now play the game and
co op. I think it's gotta be. I don't think it's versus though.
So the only thing I can think of is like I feel like it's
like a Ghost of Sashima Legends thing. Oh my god. I think it's
like you and your you and your homies play these characters and you battle against
characters. I think, you know, look at what's been going on last
of Us two they did the remake Master whatever the hell, and then they
add like a rogue like mode in there. So it's like kind of like
this endless sort of thing. God of War just added that Valhalla DLC to
Ragnarok, and I feel like that just makes a lot of sense to do
that kind of formula here with this where it's like you're you go in and
yeah, maybe it's like a wave based thing depending on mode to mode,
you know, a wave based thing like Legends has, or just like here's
a chunk of New York and here's like randomly generated enemies and a boss fight
or something like that. I feel like that's what it's got to be because
I just I don't see them doing competitive multiplayer and I think co op is
I just don't. I don't know. Maybe for Spider Man two they would,
they could do that, like, oh, six months later, here's
this co op d I'll see, But I think looking at the rest of
this roadmap where there's like a game and then the online game, then the
online, I don't think they would continuously do that. I think I think
it's got to be something a little bit more substantial, not necessarily live service,
but something that's more live service than just co op. Yeah, the
Ghost of Shashima pitch, that's like that's a dream which you know in the
New Year that was so fucking successful that was so good, and it was
a huge surprise to because I'm trying to announce like either shortly after the game
launched or like right before it launched it like, hey, later on we're
doing this multiplayer I think it was right. Yeah, and then they came
out like three or four months afterwards. Yeah, it wasn't that far in
the new year. We should we should get back in there. I should.
Yeah, those are good times. Yeah, So that that'd be perfect,
that that would be all I need. I'd love it give and that
makes sense together too, you know. And that's small enough scale where for
Spider Man two, like you straight up just do it two player, like
it's just you, like someone plays Pier another player as Miles. And then
obviously, like years down the road we get to X Men and Wolverine and
stuff. That's where you could break it out to like the classic four player
thing, and then who knows, maybe even more X Men in the future.
You get eight X Men, get seven of your closest friends, and
get the whole roster going. That's what I was gonna say, like,
because so that's the roadmap where it's supposedly, which is strange. It's yeah,
Spiderman multiplayer Venom Wolverine, which is rumored to be twenty twenty six.
So we got a buckle up and everybody, we gotta we got a ways
to go, and that's just like the hopeful day. And then there was
a Wolverine online which was odd. And then the one that to me is
I don't want to get like Suicide Squad vibes, because that was the jump
from Batman to like Suicide Squad. But that was the rumored game in twenty
thirty. That's a long time way. But like, that's what supposes deal
League that they did show that x they signed a deal to have X Men
exclusive to Sony. X Men characters can be in a situation where if they
made like a Marvel Lines four, Wolverine could be in that, but no
one can go make Hey, Xbox can't make the Storm game. But that's
the idea that in saw me actually me making an X Men game, which
I think is fucking crazy in my like, that's I did not have that
on my Bengo card, and I still I would not believe it. But
the fact that obviously these leaks are like legit, legit, that's I'm mind
blown by that that that's even a concept they're thinking about, because that's something
completely different for them, like a team based game, like like I don't
know what it would be. I don't know what it would be. That's
probably a whole side quest episode in itself that maybe we could do one day,
Like what would we build an X Men game? Well, I mean
I was gonna do when I thought when I thought, when I thought X
Men ninety seven was coming out in January, that was a cast I had
put in our calendar, you know, peek behind the curtain here, that
we're still gonna do it even if there's this Oh absolutely, we're still going
to do a fictional X Men Legends three roster. But now we also have
to do this because that would obviously be a very different type of roster than
something like the X Men Legends would have. So yeah, first of all,
that's a bummer if like that's like X Men Legends was maybe in the
works, but then it got like I don't think that's actually the case,
but if it was, and then it got kind of killed because of this
exclusivity thing. But I mean, I guess Sony could still make X Men
Legends, but yeah, now we're getting beside the point, but yeah,
it is. It is crazy, But I also feel like they just seem
to be really building that, like the infrastructure for that, right, Like
Spider Man, they make this one game in twenty eighteen, and they can
really just iterate and keep building off of it, build off that same New
York and get Miles Morales out there as a separate game. Get Spider Man
two. We have two playable characters or I guess three, and then boom
you have the Venom thing. It's like they are just ramping themselves up for
that so much, and it feels like, well, we already know I
guess if because this Gene Gray stuff, like that's of course part of like
the e Wolverine game. It's not part of the xceraon game, because the
X Men game is so far away, So like they're already laying the framework
for that down, because that's not just like Gene taking pictures with a camera
like MJ Like, it's that's a full on move set. And maybe it's
white as rpg'ed out as Wolverine's like getting five percent more damage on his claws
or something like that, but it's obviously in there, and that makes you
wonder what other characters could be in that game now hopefully I think Wolverine keep
it somewhat contained. Of course, and it is called Wolverine. Why would
they not just call it X Men if it's more than that? But yeah,
man, like it seems like they are laying down the framework for that,
especially if it's like Wolverine drops, you got the online thing come out
later, Maybe you have one or two more play work characters in there,
and then you're like only one or two away from an X Men roster at
that point. Like it just it makes so much sense, and I I
don't know. Also on this as like Rotchet and Clank, I don't worry.
I don't think you guys can have time for that. But then again,
they already did in this new gen like from twenty eighteen to twenty twenty
with Miles Morales to Ratching Clank twenty twenty one, twenty twenty three, Spider
Man two, like they insomni Actually output is already insane. But I'm just
so curious, like would you with an X Men would you have? How
many members would you have? I think it'd be relatively small, but I
just like it's different with Spider Man because it's like it's Miles and Peter that's
too, and even Venom it's just like one sequence in the game and then
you go back, like would the game work like that too, where it's
you know, let's say it's Storm, Jean, Scott and Wolverine and then
the game is, Okay, this is a Gene mission, this is Scott
mission. You can go back and forth. That would that be the way?
Even Wolverine it doesn't sound like it's working the same way. Right.
Where Spiderman's an open world game, Wolverine sounds like it's more God of War
linear. So I guess it might just be a new challenge for them,
which I'm always down. I just like I said, the Suicide Squad has
scared me because that was like I saw a studio be doing great solo player
games and then go to not that has to be multiplayer, but that's what
they kind of did, and it was you know, I don't think it's
working out for them. I mean that's right. I think there's some maybe
just a different approach that Insomniac's taking here, where first of all, like,
yeah, they've spent now three spider Man games to figure out what Spider
Man is a gameplay system before they're jumping into this online thing. So when
they're jumping into Wolverine, that feels like, okay, from Wolverine to Wolverine
Online, Like that feels like a much shorter leap. But I don't know.
I feel like they are taking a better approach to it by like kind
of slowly building up into these things and are establishing this is what Wolverine is
as a game, and then we're gonna add online afterwards. I feel like
that's a better approach to me than the Marvel's Avengers approach or the Suicide Squad
approach, which is like built from the ground up as a live service game.
This does not seem like that. It seems like, how can we
take these great action adventure games that people already love, and how can we
let people play together with their friends? Because that is such a big part
of the superhero fantasy as a thing. So it seems like that was the
second step after making a really solid game and foundation to build upon, So
to me, it seems like a much better approach. Now there's also that
side of it where Sony has like really been trying to double down on live
service thing, but then they also have canceled a bunch of them, including
the last which was just happened. So and then like Jim Ryan's leaving PlayStation
soon, so who knows, maybe that whole life. Yeah, like that
could take a huge pivot here sooner rather than later. And I feel like
it's smart because I feel like we say with Avengers and Suicide Squad that maybe
it was just too late before they could really like it. Yeah, it
is, And with the timing of how all this stuff has worked, Insomniac
and Sony have both dann they got a lot of insight from what Marvel's Avengers
was and how poorly that was executed, even though those character move sets were
fantastic, right, Like, that's not really what the issue was there,
And so I feel like they're taking it the right approach here, and so
yeah, I think they it helps that they've had that lesson Suicide Squad.
You might look at the calendar and think, oh, they had Marvels Avengers
to learn from. They have in hindsight they can maybe modify some things,
but still that game is being developed for fucking decade at this point. Like
they didn't far. It was a different world when that game started development than
from when Wolverine, I guess, spider Man two, Wolverine Online, and
then X Men Online which hasn't even started yet. But I think all these
things, I just I guess I have so much faith in Insomniac to nail
it. And to me, they're taking like they're not taking huge leaps and
swings, you know, pun intended on swings. They're just taking like one
step out of time, and I think they're like, because of that,
they're gonna pace themselves well into what could be very successful online. And I
don't know if if it is just fucking legends, I'm happy with that.
Yeah, ghost of stream of Legends, be clear, not ex legends.
Yeah, they're doing They're doing a beat down arcade type game, which I'd
love to be with with Wolverine and X Men all that, Like that whole
roguelike setup of just facing random and endies like that, you got the danger
room like that just creates that, you know, you can have any situation
where you could bring in whatever villain who even they don't even make sense in
real life, but because they're in the danger room when they're not real and
like that works, so you could just have crazy combinations going against each other.
That just seems like too easy to do it that way. I hope
it all. It's because I can't wait seven years from now we're sitting down
talking about a X Men game. That that's that's that's those the days we
dreamed for, you know, a nice, big, huge Triple A studio
doing an X Men game. You know, and Blade happened and stuff,
So, uh, you got anything add on the overall? I have just
the few character lineup I want to go down with anything overall on some of
these uh, these things out there, let's see here. Of course,
I've tried to mention Spiderman three's and the game plan too, but I think
we all kind of know that was gonna that's a right, no given,
no, duh, so right? Which will be the fifth Spider Man game
they make at that point, yeah, kind of or even six if you
count online as a separate thing. That's kind of crazy how how much they're
doing that. But no, I mean, uh, I feel like Gambit
has a good chance of being on that X Men game. I just feel
like he makes sense for a roster wise, because some characters, like even
Cyclops, I oh, do you really like? Is Cyclopes fun? What
are you trying to say if you really want to play the Cyclaus that you're
saying, I play cycle but like he's maybe the bottom of the not bottom
of the barrel. But I just feel like Gambits, like that's the fun
like Storm Gambit, those are those are fun characters. That's why I want
to do a cast because I just like I can't wrap my brain around in
Samnick, like just who do you pick and what do you limit it to?
Because to me, when you say X Men, like I like,
like I said, like it being even three characters, that's just straight to
me, it has to be a beefy roster, not beefy. But like
I think, to me, five is usually the minimum of X Men,
you know, and I think you can get away with you know, Xavier
and Beast are in the game, they're not playable or something, and still
have a ton of stuff with them, and so it still feels like an
X Men game because you're hanging out the X Mansion, all these characters are
there, and you know, maybe like Jubilee's there, but she's just like
taking classes she's not allowed to go on like battles yet, you know,
you get like that, that's your mini mission as MJ. But it's Jubilee
like a beast. Yeah, one day we'll talk about it. I was
gonna say something else, but yeah, there's definitely all or squeezed much.
I'm with you on Gambit though. By the way, Yeah, Gambits,
he's one of my favorite characters. He was not he didn't make it to
All to Alliance Street Dead, but we should save this for he got his
own Yeah exactly, But yeah, that's all okay, So some of these
characters came out. Leech is supposedly gonna be in this game, so that's
that's a fun Leech memories in the sewers. Yeah, yeah, uh you
got I'll skip like the bartender and stuff. Leach to me feels like a
kind of equivalent to like mister Negative and the way, like I guess Leech
is more known than mister Negative, but the way that was like, oh,
there was a huge character in Spider Man twenty teen, Everyone's like,
who's this guy? I feel like Leech could uh kind of be like that.
I don't know, not that he would be the main villain. I'm
not saying that, no. I I think the description is a young mute
that Jean's taken care of. So I think he's a very like new not
a villain. He's not even a villain. Don't why I assumed to be
a villain. The poor guy dying on Christmas like he must be the villain.
I think he's gonna be like a New X Men crude or maybe someone
Logan finds along the way and drops him off. The mansion. One that
was getting people excited Mystique, who is supposedly popping off, so it's always
good when she's there. She's a trustique because that's you can do so many
fun plot twists that, yeah, save or tooth, not a big like
you gotta have him there, right. We talked about Geen Gray. Troy
Baker is supposedly playing mister Sinister, which I think is a very interesting There
is plot points about what they're gonna have this character do already not gonna read
them out. It's a fucking wild take, I'll say that for what they're
planning and making him relate to the story, but I could see him being
the overall Are you trying to look what it's out there. No, I
thought of a thing that I mentioned. Uh okay, the thing that I
was trying to think of earlier. I remember, so I wrote down,
so I don't forget it. Fort okay. I could see him being like
the overall man behind the curtain villain, like all this stuff's happening, Who's
behind it, mister Sinners? And I think Troy Baker, that's great casting.
Yeah, I do too. I think that's a good one. One.
That table was pretty excited about an im too, Sasquatch. It's this
game, so maybe we'll get some Alpha flight connections and stuff like that.
I'd love to. I don't know if you'll fight them all, but just
to see some of them that'd be great. Another I think kind of noda
Lady dev Strike. You know, so tied do Old Rain and this one
could have been a NODA, but like, I don't care. I'm very
excited. There's a game, Wolverine Revenge. It was based on X two.
It really wasn't. It has nothing to do. It's a movie time
game that had nothing to do Next two other than they origin me the same.
But they had an end credit scene in that game setting up the sequel.
I never got it, and it was Wolverine. He the whole game,
he's trying to find he's trying to remember this character because he's gonna go
take revenge on them the next game. And he wakes up and he goes
Omega Red and he hears he said Omego Red, Omego Red. I never
got that sequel. So I've been waiting for years to fight Omega Red.
And Omego Red is supposedly in this game. There's concept part of him.
He's looking fucking bad ass, but he's something that maybe could have been an
ODAB. But that for me is just a high pick of that is a
boss battle. I'm looking very forward to. That could be a very fun
just all those tentacles, the metal, Like you could have a real good
time with that. So for me, some of these are offices, but
like I feel like it's kind of like what we're talking about with the Desk
Randing movie, where if let's say they feel that they could only make one
Wolverine game, they're hitting the right stuff, Death Strike, Saber tooth,
Omega Red. You know, like maybe there's even a flashback mission of you
and X Force. I don't know, but they're there. I think the
lineup is like perfect, but the message whoa my light just cluched with the
with some some of the concept art that you've seen here, because with twenty
eighteen and I haven't played Speriament two yet, I haven't seen all these character
designs in detail, but they obviously took a very like robotronic kind of design
for a lot of these characters, like rather than being I guess supernatural,
it was like they just had big robot scorpion legs and that's what you know.
Maybe and we didn't necessarily love the art styles some of those things.
Do you feel about the art direction they've gone for, Like I mean you
mentioned like you Omega Red. So is it because they stuck to more comic
accurate stuff or are they do doing a different insamia spin on it, but
it's still a look that you're enjoying. There's a little bit of a spin.
Like I think Omega Red they've made like a little bit kind of smaller,
like not as big as opposing but he has like a tentacle, he
has the mettal going on. Raven has like the whole like white suit and
everything like that with the skulls just a skull. The skull belt there is.
It's very minor. It just looks like it's just a skull, like
imprinted. It's not the actual skull. But other than the face, mister
Sister looks like he would look like in the An Made series. The face.
They don't have Troy Baker's face. It is in the concept art.
It is, so it doesn't have like the weird slid eyes and the teeth,
which I'm fine if they want to change that. But even the look
saber too. It's funny like he looks the same, but then his hair
is like really curly and looks like it's been like he got some work done
on it. So it looks like they're sticking more to what the designs close
to the calm, so it's not like a saber tooth because like a big
metal suit and stuff. It looks like he's just like a man sabertooth,
you know, like something's wrong with him. He's hairy. Mm hmm yeah.
Supermoun Mike was saying Rift Apart was linear. They know how to do
it for over room, which made me think of man. I feel like
Nightcrawler with the teleporting around and the the rift apart eness of that, or
you know, get blink in there. If you want the more low key
pick that would be, that would be sick. I think I actually Nightcrawler
with the PS five tech, that could be a thing where you know,
the head haunches over at Sonya like, you gotta do Nightcrawler because it shows
off how good our our tech is over here, our load times. Yeah,
I never had a deln Wolverine. For me, it's the X Men
thing of how do you get that to be a team game and make it
linear? But maybe like ratchually claking plays multiple characters and stuff. Have to
wait till I see how they do it. But yeah, And I think
because I was looking at like what multiplayer stuff has Insaomiak done before, and
I think the only thing they have done multiplayer was some ratching clank stuff,
and I think that was just like in the era where like every game has
a competitive multiplayer top. Yeah, so I think that's it. Maybe maybe
there was like a fully dedicated multiplayer Clink. Two other questions that I remember
here, One is like, uh, because I don't know, I guess
the X mansions like near or like in New York to some extent, is
this game seem like it's in Is it like in Spider Man's New York or
what's the setting from the league? I think you could start, well,
look, I think it's like a globe trotter. It looks like some people
compare Charted. Yeah, because there's one section where he looks like Wolverine's in
a suit, so it looks like he's probably in Japan at some point.
Maybe. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. So I think it'd be
a game where it's like, oh, we gotta go to Australia, and
then again the Australia they say her too. Thought, Yeah, I think
it'll be a game that maybe Minister is just Australian for something. Troy really
wants you to try something. So yeah, I think I think it'll be
him all over the world in the Blackbird there mm hmm. Troy Breaker was
the villain in Miles Morales. I just remember, you think they would get
him again? Was he? Yeah? I forget the name of the character
because that character was really boring. But and what do you mean do you
think they'd get him again? Like? I don't know, because if there's
just like some connective like world connectivity between these things, like obviously it's a
voice actor and it's Troy Baker, and you can do things with his voice.
But did they do that? I guess they should. I think Troy
Bakers is a go to guy. I think just like people like him.
I got, I got A question is off the top. I don't think
it would work, do you No? I don't think so, But just
for shoots and giggles like the anime series, do you think there's any chance
that X Men game that's just a default title and one of those characters is
a Spider Man in there? Just like the animated series where you got Spider
Man a part of the X Men for like a game, because those characters
made already. I know it's not the swinging and I don't think it would
happen, but because I just try to think about their Avengers and I love
that nineties animated show and Spider Man teams, I would say no, butout
the existence of the online stuff makes me say, yes, why not?
Why not do that? Why not just have even Spider Man just throw them
in there as a villain in this danger room? Like for sure? Why
not? You already got that stuff throw whoever throw Scorpion in there electro like
I don't know, just anyone will be built the A yeah, get Ben
and the like. Anyone they've built assets for, why not just throw them
in that crazy mode Like that would be so cool because A man, I
don't know if I have this screenshot, it's somewhere in our discord, which
is a great place to go, by the way. So absolutely a lot
of stuff. But yeah, on that, on that multiplayer ambitions thing,
there was like, okay, multiplayer architecture, like they're working on that up
until twenty twenty four, and then they call multiplayer one point oh is in
twenty twenty four Spider Man two. And then in twenty twenty six is when
the Wolverine like Wolverine Online launches and they call it multiplayer two point zero.
And then when we get to twenty twenty eight, they those two things merge
and it's multiplayer three point oh and it's x Men Online. That makes me
think it could be uh some sort of like big connective thing and obviously there's
some weirdness with x Men. It's good to be true Spider Man, but
I don't know that's how they wrote it. On the airfograph. I don't
know, this is yeah stuff but yeah, and it's lead stuff too,
right. It could be stuff that they are playing, like look at what
happened last week. Last of Us was having a multiplayer live service game and
then gone just like that. You know, obviously there's bill to but still
like, this could be something that they tinker with and then when they get
close to going, you know what, let's just stick to the solo games
like this is this is not worth it at the end of the day.
We don't know when this information was taken, right, Like you said,
the pivot happened, this could all be information that was before that. And
now Sony could have said, you know that stuff you're working on, kill
it. We don't want to do anything, right but that only no,
no, no, I meant just the multiplayer aspect, right, like they
could say, don't do any of that, we don't actually want. Yeah,
I mean if Spider Man two is supposed to come out, and yeah,
you're right, like this document could have been leaked from yeah, seven
years ago or something or like that's when it could have been made. Who
knows, but yeah, I mean if well, I guess the the release
dates of some of these newer things wouldn't necessarily line that way. What I'm
thinking, like six months ago, right two onlines like certainly gonna happen right
at this point next year, I thought so, But now I do,
And if you would ask me pre leak, I thought, no, I
didn't think that'd be a yeah, yeah, yeah. So I feel like
that's I mean, that's at the very least the testing ground. And if
they do that and no one cares or make them zero money or it's really
buggy or something like that, and then maybe they just say, ah,
drop it, We're just gonna focus on Wolverine and Gene here and then you're
still the X Men. You just you don't have to do that multiped three
point zero. Let's hope integration down the line, like Suicaid Squad being like,
and sometime in twenty twenty four, we're gonna make an offline mode some
point, you know, yeah, don't do that. Whatever you do,
Insomniac Avengers, Suicaid Squad, you've seen happen, just stay as far away
from from that, you know, just yeah, yep, stay away.
I think it's all for me on this those things. You forgot that you
wrote down right, Well, I was one of my questions was gonna be
just based on the footage like and Wolverine moving around because of how how much
like movement options there are in Spider Man with those characters. I was like,
Okay, is Wolvering gonna have some sort of equivalent? But it's like,
I don't know. If the game's more linear and smaller scale, then
I don't think you really need that. You know, he can wall climb
and run, Yeah, he does. He doesn't like, he doesn't need
like a motorbike. Like it's not like we're being that big of a big
or anything. There was no motorbike in the leagues. There wasn't that.
It looked like he was doing a lot of grappling without a grapple like.
So one more spoiler question on Spider Man two. Is it like obvious who
the villain could be the third one? You don't have to say who it
is, but oh, is it fairly obvious who you think the villain would
be of the third one? At this point, I think it's obvious for
who venom and third one is yes, okay, sounds good. Yeah,
there's one very non obvious thing that I'm excited for you to play because there's
an end credit. I was like, I was not expecting this, and
it adds to all just say is it adds to the Spider Man online stuff
of having more options than just Peter right and my Aisles and Venom. And
it's not even character that you would think, like when you played her here
you beg really, that's a character they're bringing in. So there's some stuff
cooking over there. Interesting, man, I went, you know Black Friday
was happening. I was. I was dangerously close to buying a PS five.
I almost did it. The deals kind of sucked though, That's why
I didn't end up doing it. It was just like you get Spider Man
for free essentially, I'm like, well, these games go on sale for
like ten dollars in a few months, so like what, that's not a
great deal. So I don't know. If the Spider Man two online thing
is really really cool, then maybe maybe that would be the time. But
I definitely thought like Wolverine will be the thing pushed me over the edge.
But if that isn't happened till twenty twenty six, then I have to imagine
it'll be something else. That gets me in the door first. And do
you think because there was something that came a little bit beforehand, like there
was like the we had the leaks, and then there's a few things that
came up and the big thing happened, it kind of got overshadowed. But
last week there was a rumor of them working on like a Spider Verse type.
It gave me just like a game with multiple Spider people. Do you
think that's just code for what the online might have been now instead, like
they're not making a Spider Man and Friends are making let's say, like you
said, Kostashushima, where it's that you have your four or three types of
Samurai. You could be right or Ninja, same thing, like you could
be Peter, you could be Miles, you could be Venom, you could
be blank. You know. Yeah, I mean, I guess I could
see that as being an integration into I guess just either Spider Man three or
an online. I didn't see anything about that one, so I don't really
have another infro on it. But yeah, I think that that could be
a good because I don't know, once again, in the way that you
want to like keep reactioning up the intensity or intrigu of these things, Like
you gotta think Spider Man three is gonna have some other new newbie in there.
So is that, Gwen? Is that just a full on multiversal thing
where you can bring in a couple other characters or even just slight variations of
our characters now with like some like half half step like move set differences.
You know, they have some of some of these moves some of the other
ones something like that. I suppose I see in the chat, he said,
from what i've Okay, good, He's gonna let us know, he
said, from what I've seen the leaks, it seems that there are two
different things. The Spider Verse online game would be like a gt ON line
level online Okay, wait for him to say the next week. So that
seems like the classic like Sony looking for their live service game, like you
create your own Spider person. Oh fuck, that's a man, you know
the game the kids nowadays, we have the lego games for those that kind
of thing. Yes, but the kids nowadays that they get their summer break
and the games that they like. We had great games, but I'm just
saying, like image right now having those like you got two and a half
Marveling. That was good. I know, but like you're telling me,
and if you're telling me, hey, Travis, there's a game that you,
in your own Spider Person created do whatever you get two months off of
school, have some fun like fuck man, Like, I'm surprised you actually
are that excited. I feel like you're not a very like big into the
character creator, like you like to play established, especially for Marvel stuff.
I like it's like the Hunter Midnight Zones. But I feel like, yeah,
really, you're not a big fan of that country. But I like
it because we already have the Spider Man game. If it was let's say
we go back to twenty eighteen and it's like I want to take you on
a roller coast and it's like, oh, what's happening. It's like be
your own Spider person, Like, ah, fuck this, I don't want
that. You try to name your character Peter, and like blanks, you're
not allowed to make them Peter. You can call them Parker Peter, but
not Peter Parker. Like if those gay, like even right now, if
they said we did Spider Man two, were done with Spider Man, I'd
be completely fine if those didn't exist, then i'd be bumped. But the
fact that I got two great Peter Parker Miles games and then even the third
one, and then if I got the create, that to me is something
that's just that's mind blowing. I did not see that, Like that's something
I would sing way too many hours into you fight World bosses together, like
a venomized Sam and right, I saw that there was a venom that was
like Godzilla size and he was a villain. Stuff like that. That's in
the constant part. Villains choose Spider Man archetypes from. Really, that's what
that was Spider Man Gwen two thousand and nine. Nine. Oh my god.
Yeah, there's just turning honest, not really speaking to me. I
don't think that would be the Spider Man game for me personally. You talk
about it now, you'd come in for a little bit. I know you
would. It was free to play, sure, all downloaded. But I
didn't even play Spider Man too. What are you talking about? I'm not
I'm not a die hard over here. I yeah, I know, but
like I just I just feel like if there's like a some sort of want
to create my own Spider Man, I don't care about boys the thing that
would sell me. Venom should be the thing that sells me over here.
Well, they're making a Venom game. They're gonna you're gonna get that.
I canna replay them in a game, but I you want more tho.
It's smart though, it's I don't know you you'd make some fun characters,
you know, you make your fark Fuckle Lombardi Spiderman version malcol Lombardi. I
don't know. Yeah, I don't know, but I would love that.
At first we ever think it was cancer, but now it seems like it
was never green that never has been green light. Oh that's fine. Yeah,
I think we covered it all. Uh yeah, I think so.
Thank god kirkl and Taryror weren't here because we're at two thirteen already and it's
just you and me, so there's lots of talk about So I hope we
even cut topics too. There. Yeah, I cut. I'm glad I
cut the trips, which we'll probably talk about on the twenty twenty four week
pre because lots of them coming on look good. So yeah, I hope
in the new year, when you're like, oh, where's the news,
you get a nice juicy episode, right, here almost two and a half
hours, and like I said, we'll be back. We'll be talking about
other stuff, but usually January slows down. But yeah, look out for
you know, there'll be an x Men cast of some sort. We'll probably
be talking. Well maybe I'm not sure when dyaling schedule that because Xtra ninety
sient, but you could double dip. You could do one for ninety seven
and then one for this. I mean yeah, I mean, at the
very least, I I just wanted to come out and you're ninety seven,
so absolutely could record that whenever. Throw it up on Patreon like three months
early. You know, that's the X Men animated so yeah, who knows,
it'll happen at some point. Yeah, so January there'll be slower movies,
games, something like that. But we got lots of good content.
So if we don't talk to you in the news like sentiment, thank you
very much. Have a good holidays. If you got some time off,
spend time with your family, and if not, just go go see Wonka.
If if you have no family, you don't care about Christmas, Christmas
holily, go see Wonka twenty fifth. Maybe we'll bump into Taylor, Maybe
we'll bump up into Dylan, let them know your thoughts on it, you
know, So until next time, I'll be boring. See uh damn