WEBVTT 1 00:00:09.640 --> 00:00:15.439 The Ham Radio two point zero audio podcast rip. Thank you for downloading and 2 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:19.239 listening to this podcast. So basically what I do is I take all the 3 00:00:19.280 --> 00:00:24.879 audio clips out of my videos and upload them to spreaker and then from there 4 00:00:24.879 --> 00:00:31.280 they're spread out to iTunes and SoundCloud and now Amazon Audible as well. But 5 00:00:31.320 --> 00:00:35.039 I want to welcome you and thank you for joining the audio section of this 6 00:00:35.560 --> 00:00:40.200 series on Ham Radio. I hope you enjoy it, and I would appreciate 7 00:00:40.200 --> 00:00:45.880 you leaving us a comment or a review on whatever podcast service you're listening from. 8 00:00:45.920 --> 00:00:53.079 Thank you in seventy three. I hope you enjoy it. And there 9 00:00:53.119 --> 00:00:57.920 we go right there, All right, guys, Good afternoon show twelve o 10 00:00:58.039 --> 00:01:03.840 two in Texas. Appreciate everyone hanging out today stopping by for this live stream 11 00:01:04.519 --> 00:01:08.439 lunchtime live stream Ham Radio two point zero. So thank you for thanks for 12 00:01:08.519 --> 00:01:14.439 joining me today. Make sure I got all my ducks in a row here. 13 00:01:15.120 --> 00:01:18.599 Special shout out to everyone in green text in the chat YouTube channel members. 14 00:01:18.640 --> 00:01:21.200 Appreciate your support of the channel. I see Andy Cowley in there, 15 00:01:22.359 --> 00:01:27.359 k Q four h x Q, Michael KO four, RNT, David W 16 00:01:27.560 --> 00:01:33.159 zero, r hp w B. I'm sorry w A W n a Ham 17 00:01:33.280 --> 00:01:38.680 radio crusader Freddie Mack is in the house and several more of you done there, 18 00:01:38.719 --> 00:01:47.840 so thanks for thanks for joining us today on that. So I don't 19 00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:55.280 know what to do really because my guest has not arrived yet, so I 20 00:01:55.319 --> 00:02:02.439 don't think that, Yeah, everything is where it should be, but my 21 00:02:02.519 --> 00:02:08.080 guest has not arrived yet. So we were going to be talking about the 22 00:02:08.120 --> 00:02:15.280 open Headset Interconnect standard, I think is what it stands for. Oh hi, 23 00:02:16.599 --> 00:02:23.759 yeah, just right there, and this is a standard connection of headsets 24 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:30.159 for various Ham radios and other things as well. We're gonna talk about that 25 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:36.639 some today. But since, uh, since I don't have anyone in my 26 00:02:36.680 --> 00:02:45.520 waiting room yet, I wonder if something happened to Mark. But I don't 27 00:02:45.520 --> 00:02:50.319 know. He gave comment the guys in the M seventeen discord yesterday we're commenting 28 00:02:50.360 --> 00:02:53.039 about how he was going to be on the show. He's in the he 29 00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:59.680 is in the M seventeen discord, and he was commenting about how he was 30 00:02:59.680 --> 00:03:01.199 going to be on today, so I know he knew about it. So 31 00:03:01.199 --> 00:03:05.719 I hope, I hope he's okay, hope nothing happened, but yeah, 32 00:03:05.800 --> 00:03:07.960 so I'm gonna let the waiting room. Sit here for a minute, U, 33 00:03:08.439 --> 00:03:12.159 Kyle, I was you read my mind? I was about to say 34 00:03:12.240 --> 00:03:15.000 just exactly that. Yeah, I want you hop in Kyle. We can 35 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:17.280 talk about All Star I've got some All Star questions anyway. Or I've got 36 00:03:17.319 --> 00:03:21.680 a All Star question that I think you might know the answer to. I 37 00:03:21.759 --> 00:03:24.439 do not know, but yeah, hop In Kyle, let's do that. 38 00:03:28.000 --> 00:03:31.360 Uh you can't. You can't do a successful live stream without something fouling up. 39 00:03:31.439 --> 00:03:37.159 So and today and today it's not my fault. It's usually my fault. 40 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:40.400 So I don't know. You never can tell. But I appreciate you 41 00:03:40.400 --> 00:03:46.520 guys hanging out with me anyway. So let's see what we've got there. 42 00:03:49.599 --> 00:03:57.120 Uh No, not like the sig M seventeen M seventeen digital voice amateur radio 43 00:03:57.199 --> 00:04:00.639 mode based on Kodak two. Those guys have been on my live stream before 44 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:02.960 two or three times. Actually, in fact, they tell me that I 45 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:08.120 my channel was the first live stream they were ever on. So go back 46 00:04:08.120 --> 00:04:14.400 and look for an M seventeen project on several of my past live streams. 47 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:16.920 So not, although you know I can, I can. I can appreciate 48 00:04:16.959 --> 00:04:21.839 the six hour thing too, So I'm good with that as well. But 49 00:04:21.920 --> 00:04:26.000 yeah, okay, so we're gonna wait for Kyle to hop in real quick. 50 00:04:27.040 --> 00:04:30.920 Freddie, Freddie mcnows is All Stars well, and Freddie, I'd be 51 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:36.680 interested in your theory on my question. That my one question that I'm gonna 52 00:04:36.800 --> 00:04:43.759 bring up to Kyle. I kind of bet Kyle to know. But it's 53 00:04:43.759 --> 00:04:47.399 a weird one, but we'll see. So special. Shout thank you to 54 00:04:47.480 --> 00:04:54.000 all of you who came up to me at the Huntsville Hamfest last weekend and 55 00:04:54.279 --> 00:04:58.439 we're like, hey, appreciate you being out there. I love watching your 56 00:04:58.480 --> 00:05:03.240 show. Met so great folks at the ham Fest itself on Saturday. Also 57 00:05:03.319 --> 00:05:09.879 met several of you on Friday at the Mansano Poda hang out, so that 58 00:05:09.959 --> 00:05:14.279 was fun as well, and that's that's always a good time. It's always 59 00:05:14.319 --> 00:05:15.360 a good show, you know. We got there Wednesday night. We were 60 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:20.879 there for it was probably like seven o'clock that night or something like that. 61 00:05:20.959 --> 00:05:28.120 And we were there for all day Thursday, all day Friday, and I 62 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:30.800 unmuted myself in zoom Kyle. Yeah, I'm sorry, sorry, Okay, 63 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:34.439 let me make sure that yeah you're in there, okay, cool, But 64 00:05:34.480 --> 00:05:38.399 I was there all day Thursday, and all day Friday we went. We 65 00:05:38.519 --> 00:05:42.519 hung out with the gigaparts guys a little bit on Thursday, and then we 66 00:05:42.560 --> 00:05:45.319 did a PODA thing on Friday like we've done the last couple of years and 67 00:05:46.160 --> 00:05:49.160 it was a fun time. So special, uh special. Shout out to 68 00:05:49.199 --> 00:05:53.959 everybody who who attended that show and came up to me. I appreciate you 69 00:05:53.959 --> 00:05:56.600 guys being out there. Kyle, what's up man? How are you good? 70 00:05:56.639 --> 00:05:59.519 How are you? What's what's happening on it? You got home back 71 00:05:59.560 --> 00:06:02.399 to Texas in one piece? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, we got you 72 00:06:02.399 --> 00:06:06.120 know, I was gonna drive. We left probably about three o'clock Sunday afternoon 73 00:06:06.199 --> 00:06:10.959 something like that, and I'm looking at Mike and we're pulling out and like, 74 00:06:11.439 --> 00:06:15.680 t O's still there. Ack is still there, and there's uh Nayo, 75 00:06:15.759 --> 00:06:18.120 who shared our camp site. He and his girlfriend decide, they were 76 00:06:18.199 --> 00:06:20.639 up in the air about whether they're going to leave. They decided to stay 77 00:06:20.680 --> 00:06:23.600 for the night. And I looked at Mike. I'm like, I kind 78 00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:25.560 of almost wish we were staying. He's like, well, let's turn around 79 00:06:25.560 --> 00:06:29.680 and go back and stay. I'm like no, I mean we were pulling 80 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:32.040 the camper out of the park, and it was his idea. He wanted 81 00:06:32.040 --> 00:06:35.040 to leave early because he's got a three hour drive home after we get back 82 00:06:35.040 --> 00:06:38.519 to my house, right, So I'm like, okay, yeah, I 83 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:41.399 get it. But I think next year we might plan to stay because there 84 00:06:41.439 --> 00:06:44.519 were a lot of people that stayed, and if I had known that, 85 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:47.040 I might have planned to stay as well. But oh well, so I've 86 00:06:47.120 --> 00:06:51.240 got so little news. Usually I get some. I'm having trouble with my 87 00:06:51.279 --> 00:06:58.199 collar here. I gotta look pretty for everyone. So I got a cabin 88 00:06:58.279 --> 00:07:01.639 this year, read some at URF. He wasn't able to to show up, 89 00:07:01.680 --> 00:07:06.360 so sterling and I grabbed his cabin. Usually I bum with somebody in 90 00:07:06.439 --> 00:07:14.000 the the RV site, but I'm getting an RV the first of next year, 91 00:07:14.120 --> 00:07:18.279 so I rented a campsite for next year, and I think I'm gonna 92 00:07:18.319 --> 00:07:23.519 stay over Sunday and then drive home Monday. I think that's gonna be my 93 00:07:23.519 --> 00:07:27.519 my plan. Okay, but do you any idea when you might come in 94 00:07:28.480 --> 00:07:32.680 Thursday? Thursday? Okay, Thursday afternoon to Monday. I think that's the 95 00:07:32.720 --> 00:07:38.399 plan. Okay, Okay, that's that's cool. We're we're actually talking about 96 00:07:38.439 --> 00:07:45.839 coming in a tad bit earlier next year than we did this year because there 97 00:07:45.959 --> 00:07:49.800 was something happening on Wednesday night. Remember what it was now, Well, 98 00:07:50.040 --> 00:07:56.519 it was about a thirteen hour drive including stops for fuel, lunchtime, et 99 00:07:56.600 --> 00:07:59.959 cetera, et cetera. So it was about a thirteen hour drive that split 100 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:05.240 into two days is just easier on everybody. Yes, So it's not about 101 00:08:05.360 --> 00:08:09.600 you know, I usually kind of limit my I'll do it all in one 102 00:08:09.639 --> 00:08:13.000 day time to about ten to eleven hours. And if you look at Google 103 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:16.800 Maps, it is ten and a half hours from here to the top of 104 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:22.560 the mountain. And of course you know you can never do it straight through 105 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:26.399 because you have to stop for fuel and to pee and for lunch and every 106 00:08:26.560 --> 00:08:28.680 you know, a bunch of other stuff. So well, also, you're 107 00:08:28.680 --> 00:08:31.720 pulling a trailer. I'm sure that the trailer pulls a little different than you 108 00:08:31.759 --> 00:08:35.679 know, you just hopping in your truck and going correct. Yes, yes, 109 00:08:35.840 --> 00:08:39.360 very true. So yeah, and that's doing something you know, I 110 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:41.039 was doing between sixty five and seventy most of the time. The speed limit 111 00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:43.679 was seventy five, so I wasn't going quite as fast as I could have 112 00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:46.679 been. But yeah, that's all. That's all a factor into it, 113 00:08:46.759 --> 00:08:52.360 so splitting that in the two days is a little bit appealing. We had 114 00:08:52.360 --> 00:08:56.799 talked about getting the Yeah, we talked about getting there, like getting up 115 00:08:56.360 --> 00:09:01.960 doing half of it like Tuesday afternoon evening, driving for five or six hours, 116 00:09:01.960 --> 00:09:03.720 and then doing the rest Wednesday morning. So we might do that next 117 00:09:03.799 --> 00:09:07.159 year. We'll see what. We'll see what the deal is on that. 118 00:09:07.240 --> 00:09:11.519 But yeah, make a couple of changes, especially if t O's up there 119 00:09:11.519 --> 00:09:15.120 trying to win some contest by cheating on it, showing up three days early. 120 00:09:15.639 --> 00:09:20.559 You know, we might. But you know, the one thing I 121 00:09:20.600 --> 00:09:26.039 love about Huntsville is it is so laid back, Like I don't feel guilty 122 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:31.080 leaving on Saturday afternoon and going to grab a beer. Like you know, 123 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:35.919 it's just like one of those things where you see everything and you're at the 124 00:09:37.320 --> 00:09:39.840 you're at the pavilion on Friday, you're hanging out with people. It is 125 00:09:39.879 --> 00:09:46.720 a very laid back versus Dayton or dating is very chaotic, Right, You're 126 00:09:46.759 --> 00:09:50.240 just trying to get everything in four days. You're trying to like just see 127 00:09:50.279 --> 00:09:56.360 everyone, see all the vendor boosts, whatnot. Huntsville or Orlando is a 128 00:09:56.360 --> 00:09:58.720 little bit less stressful because you know, we've got the guys that do the 129 00:09:58.799 --> 00:10:03.600 r and we we set back there and you know, drink beer and and 130 00:10:03.919 --> 00:10:07.720 have a good time. But Huntsville is definitely one of those places where you 131 00:10:07.759 --> 00:10:13.399 can easily get through everything and then just relax the whole time. That relax 132 00:10:13.519 --> 00:10:18.480 during the weekend. Right it's not very stressful. Right Right now, everything's 133 00:10:18.519 --> 00:10:22.000 in one room. You're not worried about missing something. Because at Dayton and 134 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:24.039 at Orlando, I'll walk through all the rooms and then I'll walk back through 135 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:26.759 one or two the rooms because I'm like, oh, I wanted to go 136 00:10:26.799 --> 00:10:30.360 back and check this thing out that I walked by, but I didn't get 137 00:10:30.360 --> 00:10:33.759 to stop out, and then you'll find something else in that room and like, 138 00:10:33.799 --> 00:10:35.159 oh I didn't see that the first time. Yeah, there's not much 139 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:41.000 chance of that happening at Huntsville because it's all right there. But you know, 140 00:10:41.120 --> 00:10:46.600 Josh got that k that Elcraft K one, so it's definitely worth walking 141 00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:50.720 through the flea market, I guess. So that was pretty cool. Yeah, 142 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:54.639 I watched that livestream. I watched your live stream and Josh's live stream 143 00:10:56.039 --> 00:11:01.720 yesterday, and yeah, I'm surprised that it was still there whenever he was 144 00:11:01.759 --> 00:11:09.480 walking through, because he streamed relatively later in the morning on Saturday. I 145 00:11:09.519 --> 00:11:13.080 mean it wasn't. Yes, he streamed the flea market part later. That's 146 00:11:13.240 --> 00:11:16.039 yeah, yeah, so I was surprised that it was still there. Yeah, 147 00:11:16.639 --> 00:11:20.840 yep, I yeah, I agree. So I don't know. I 148 00:11:20.120 --> 00:11:22.399 mean, those are pretty rare, but I'm not sure how much they're saw 149 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:28.799 it after. So yeah, I'm yeah, somewhere around here. I have 150 00:11:28.799 --> 00:11:33.000 a k X one, but I practiced my ced I've been practicing my CW 151 00:11:33.039 --> 00:11:37.559 every day since we got back. Nice. So I got that Morse tutor 152 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:43.000 from MFJ, the one that it'll you can you tapped the button and it 153 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:46.240 does a character or a couple of characters, or maybe we'll do a word. 154 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:48.759 You can set it up to do different things and then you sit there 155 00:11:48.799 --> 00:11:50.679 and listen to it, and you look down at the screen and see if 156 00:11:50.679 --> 00:11:52.120 you're right. The screens a little weird, kind of hard to see on 157 00:11:52.159 --> 00:11:54.759 it because if you hold it, you got to hold it at a certain 158 00:11:54.759 --> 00:11:58.480 angle or it looks like it's all great out. So it's a little bit 159 00:11:58.519 --> 00:12:03.759 strange scream, but it works well. I was tinkering with it this morning, 160 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:07.960 getting pretty good at hearing single characters. No good, still it like, 161 00:12:09.039 --> 00:12:13.320 don't care, I'll say that maybe we can get your first CW contact 162 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:16.799 in September. I think that I got Okay, So I was gonna ask 163 00:12:16.840 --> 00:12:20.039 if you I was gonna ask if you wanted to talk about that. We 164 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:22.200 can talk about that. I haven't officially announced that. Yeah, I haven't. 165 00:12:22.279 --> 00:12:24.960 Haven't. We don't. We can keep it a secret for for as 166 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:28.279 long as it doesn't matter. No, no, no, no, I'm 167 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:30.919 not. I'm not worried about keeping a secret. I want to announce it. 168 00:12:30.960 --> 00:12:35.519 I wanted, Yeah, I want to talk about it. So well, 169 00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:43.080 Freddie Freddie decided to join us also, uh so the he lost my 170 00:12:43.120 --> 00:12:48.720 train of thought. Now, I made a c W contact with someone. 171 00:12:48.799 --> 00:12:52.200 I think it was Adam. He went up on a Soda summit like two 172 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:56.120 or three weeks ago to that group thing. He did. He was he 173 00:12:56.159 --> 00:13:00.440 was in your stream the other night and I said, Adam, did I 174 00:13:00.679 --> 00:13:03.799 contact you? And he's like, well maybe, I mean he acted like 175 00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:09.600 he didn't know, so well, I don't know, but I sent my 176 00:13:09.720 --> 00:13:13.080 call sign out when he would I got a I got a HAM alert about 177 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:15.360 him. Actually, I think he posted in discord. It's like, hey, 178 00:13:15.399 --> 00:13:18.440 I'm out on soda doing CW. I think it was. It was 179 00:13:18.480 --> 00:13:22.679 on twenty meters, it was on my seventy seven hundred back here, and 180 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:30.840 I I was listening to it, and I'm not I'm not. I'm not 181 00:13:30.879 --> 00:13:31.799 sure what I heard. I mean, I heard a call sign, but 182 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:39.360 I could I couldn't think it out exactly. But I went back to him 183 00:13:39.399 --> 00:13:41.600 with my call sign. I heard my call sign come back to me, 184 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:46.120 and I just sent. I just sent five five N five N seventy. 185 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:50.279 Oh well, so I mean it, yeah, it might have it might 186 00:13:50.320 --> 00:13:54.159 have worked. But he I thought he would say something, so I thought 187 00:13:54.159 --> 00:14:01.039 he would write and say, just brush off your first c W contact right 188 00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:09.960 aft whatever. So Freddie got got the camera there, Bud prying too, 189 00:14:11.639 --> 00:14:18.639 Okay, start that virtual camera and nobs right, yeah there it goes all 190 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:22.840 right. So here, So here's the thing. Here's here's an all Star 191 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:26.360 question for you guys. And Mark is Mark is in the waiting room. 192 00:14:26.679 --> 00:14:28.480 Oh okay, he's a little late. But now we're gonna bring on Mark. 193 00:14:28.679 --> 00:14:31.480 I'll bring on here in here in just a minute. Mark. So 194 00:14:31.519 --> 00:14:37.519 I'm gonna finish my train of thought here. So during my drive to Huntsville, 195 00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:41.480 I had I have a mobile. I have a mobile Verizon hot Spot 196 00:14:41.559 --> 00:14:43.159 that is going in the truck and I haven't put it in the truck yet 197 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:48.200 because the last time I try to use it field day, it decided to 198 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:52.320 not broadcast in SSID for the Wi Fi side of it. The motum itself 199 00:14:52.320 --> 00:14:56.159 works fine, you plug it in Ethernet, great, but the WiFi wouldn't 200 00:14:56.200 --> 00:15:00.840 work, and I don't know why. So that's usually what I'm on when 201 00:15:00.840 --> 00:15:01.759 I'm mobile. Well, I didn't have that this time, so I put 202 00:15:01.840 --> 00:15:07.159 I turned on my hot spot on my phone, which my Sherry nods been. 203 00:15:07.679 --> 00:15:09.519 It has that in the WPA supplicant file has for a long time. 204 00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:15.799 Connected it pulled an IP address, tried to connect to my four three one 205 00:15:15.919 --> 00:15:20.159 three six hub node. No go, connection failed, connection failed, connection 206 00:15:20.200 --> 00:15:22.960 fail all trip. Mike was making fun of me. He's like, dude, 207 00:15:22.039 --> 00:15:28.600 I don't think it's gonna work. Tried to connect to another node and 208 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:31.919 got not connection failed, but it wouldn't connect it. It was a different 209 00:15:31.919 --> 00:15:33.840 message. I don't remember. I think it was your note, Kyle, 210 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:37.399 but I'm not sure. I can't remember which one it was. So anyway, 211 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:41.320 fast forward, we go to Huntsville. I didn't try it while I 212 00:15:41.320 --> 00:15:43.000 was there. I didn't try it. On the way home. I get 213 00:15:43.039 --> 00:15:46.720 an email while I'm driving home that I saw later some other guy. He's 214 00:15:46.759 --> 00:15:48.039 like, hey, man, I know you've had this problem before, but 215 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:52.720 I can't connect your node to your hub. And the last time that happened, 216 00:15:52.759 --> 00:15:56.840 I had to reboot my hub, and then other people, including my 217 00:15:56.879 --> 00:16:00.519 including my Sherry Note. Well, sure enough, I rebooted my hub yesterday, 218 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:03.080 Yeah, and my Showy Note, and I try to I tried to 219 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:07.120 connect from my home plug the Showy Note up yesterday. Ye got an IP 220 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:14.080 address star three four three month three six connection failed. Reboot my hub. 221 00:16:14.559 --> 00:16:18.960 Oh, there it goes. It's connected. So there is something on my 222 00:16:19.080 --> 00:16:23.919 hub server in the cloud that you and I installed, Kyle. Yeah that 223 00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:27.600 After a few days, it just stops allowing new connections, and it does. 224 00:16:27.759 --> 00:16:30.679 It seems to be kind of selective. It's not all new connections, 225 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:34.519 because I'll watch Superman and I'll see people drop out and come back in maybe 226 00:16:34.519 --> 00:16:40.519 a maybe an auto connection string, I don't know, but somebody's connecting, 227 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:45.480 and then it just prevents some of us from connecting sometimes. So, well, 228 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:48.960 somebody said I should run a crown job into a reboot every few days, 229 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:51.559 and I'm like, well, I don't think I should have to do 230 00:16:51.600 --> 00:16:55.440 that. I think that's a band aid. So anyway, yeah, right, 231 00:16:56.399 --> 00:17:00.840 that's a yeah, that's a a solution to not getting to the root 232 00:17:00.840 --> 00:17:03.720 of the problem, right, right, correct, So why don't we at 233 00:17:03.759 --> 00:17:07.640 some point, why don't we take a look at the logs and we'll try 234 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:14.000 and connect and take a look at the logs and var logs and your cislog 235 00:17:14.319 --> 00:17:18.200 and your Asterix log and see what it's doing in the back end. We'll 236 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:22.240 see like Asterix might be you know, it might be hung up like a 237 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:26.720 reboot of the system. Yes, might do it, but you might have 238 00:17:26.759 --> 00:17:29.680 to just restart Asterix. I mean, granted, you don't really want to 239 00:17:29.799 --> 00:17:32.279 do that, because then that's not the root of the problem. So let's 240 00:17:32.279 --> 00:17:34.839 take a look at the logs and see what's going on with that. Okay, 241 00:17:34.960 --> 00:17:41.920 Yeah, how often is that happening. It's only happened twice since Kyle 242 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:45.000 and I installed that, which has probably been what two or three months ago. 243 00:17:45.480 --> 00:17:49.599 Yeah, it's only happened twice that I have noted that it's only happened 244 00:17:49.640 --> 00:17:53.000 twice where it's affected me. I got an email from a guy one time 245 00:17:53.039 --> 00:17:56.119 and he said the same thing, but that was around the same time as 246 00:17:56.160 --> 00:18:02.000 affecting me. So, and you have updated to patched and got the latest 247 00:18:02.079 --> 00:18:08.599 updates on both os and yeah, probably not, okay, probably not, 248 00:18:08.839 --> 00:18:11.960 Probably want to do that. It might be a bug that we're seeing in 249 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:19.480 some type of you know module that who knows the logs will the logs will 250 00:18:19.519 --> 00:18:26.519 tell us, the logs will set you free, right, okay, all 251 00:18:26.599 --> 00:18:30.680 right, good? Well live stream on this coming Sunday. We're gonna build 252 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:34.039 some sherry Pie hats that I have. Oh sweet, So you guys are 253 00:18:34.079 --> 00:18:37.720 welcome to join us. I've divvied out three or four those to various people 254 00:18:37.759 --> 00:18:44.880 and should be putting those together and then getting more people to get one. 255 00:18:45.440 --> 00:18:53.079 Uh. Frank Dawn n five Skat gave Frank his sherry node at Huntsville last 256 00:18:53.079 --> 00:18:56.200 weekend. As far as I know, he hadn't booted it up yet. 257 00:18:56.240 --> 00:19:00.359 But Frank does not need one, so hope we'll leave Frank. I think, 258 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:03.799 I mean Frank's welcome to join us also hit. In fact, he's 259 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:06.480 on the invite, but I don't think he's gonna need a pie hat. 260 00:19:06.519 --> 00:19:10.519 I think he's got one now that works, okay, yeah, sweet. 261 00:19:11.640 --> 00:19:14.200 So the All Star System, for those of you who have never connected, 262 00:19:14.279 --> 00:19:18.599 is no longer going to be frank free, so just bear that in mind. 263 00:19:18.359 --> 00:19:21.680 At some point in time, we're going to be invaded by the frank. 264 00:19:22.359 --> 00:19:25.839 So bring it on. I've got Mark in the waiting room, so 265 00:19:25.839 --> 00:19:30.920 I'm gonna let him in and we're going to talk about OHI ohis ohis. 266 00:19:30.920 --> 00:19:37.799 However, you say that the acronym ohis the open headset interconnects standard that he 267 00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:41.400 is working on and Hello, Hello, what's up? Mark? Hey, 268 00:19:41.400 --> 00:19:45.119 guys, I'm so sorry for being late. That's all right, we'll deal 269 00:19:45.160 --> 00:19:48.839 with it. Uh, that's cool. Do you want to do you have 270 00:19:49.039 --> 00:19:56.000 a presentation, website, slides, anything going to share? So I do 271 00:19:56.119 --> 00:19:59.039 have some slides that I can do with a screen chair on if you like, 272 00:19:59.680 --> 00:20:03.240 or just do this entirely verbally. No, no, no, you 273 00:20:03.279 --> 00:20:04.839 can share it. That's fine. Uh, Kyle and Freddie, you guys 274 00:20:04.839 --> 00:20:08.480 are welcome to hang out in the background. I'd ask that you moote yourselves 275 00:20:08.559 --> 00:20:11.359 or you can drop if you want to iss your choice. I'm gonna drop 276 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:15.480 and I'm just gonna hang out in the chat. Okay, I'm gonna do 277 00:20:15.559 --> 00:20:18.279 the same. I got some cables to build. All right, guys, 278 00:20:18.319 --> 00:20:22.440 thank you, thanks for joining. Hey, thanks for covering from you. 279 00:20:22.440 --> 00:20:26.960 Guys. I apologize. Thanks now. Yeah, we got it, Kyle. 280 00:20:26.000 --> 00:20:30.759 We will talk about that other thing later. Sounds good, Thanks man, 281 00:20:30.799 --> 00:20:33.640 Thanks man. All right, So there we good Mark, good, 282 00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:38.000 good afternoon. Why don't you introduce yourself real quick. Hi. My name 283 00:20:38.039 --> 00:20:41.960 is Mark Smith, also known as Smitty Holliban in a lot of contexts. 284 00:20:42.119 --> 00:20:48.960 I am one of the hosts of the Ham Radio Workbench podcast, and a 285 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:52.759 couple of years ago, I started a company called Halibut Electronics, building Ham 286 00:20:52.839 --> 00:20:56.680 Radio Electronics, and my eventual goal is to get into audio file electronics. 287 00:20:56.680 --> 00:21:00.920 But I haven't actually released any of those products yet. So Ham Radio and 288 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:07.000 audio file electronic stuff. Good deal, Okay, bringing it up the yeah 289 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:10.039 there is. I want to make sure I had the right website to bring 290 00:21:10.119 --> 00:21:12.000 up. Okay, cool. Yeah, So the website is electronics dot halibut 291 00:21:12.039 --> 00:21:15.279 dot com. Yeah, yeah, that's the I just googled and found it. 292 00:21:15.279 --> 00:21:19.319 So yeah, that's good. Let's see there it is right there, 293 00:21:19.839 --> 00:21:23.920 So tell us a little bit. So this open open, I'm saying it 294 00:21:25.039 --> 00:21:27.200 right, open headset interconnect standard? Is that right? Perfect? You got 295 00:21:27.240 --> 00:21:30.720 it? Okay, okay, all right, So that is a thing that 296 00:21:32.160 --> 00:21:37.519 I think you emailed us about originally. Yeah, and I mean anytime, 297 00:21:37.559 --> 00:21:41.200 anytime we can standardize connections of things to radios, I think that's a good 298 00:21:41.240 --> 00:21:45.359 thing. So why don't you tell us a little bit about what that is? 299 00:21:45.599 --> 00:21:49.680 Okay? So there's actually another website for OHIS, although that website needs 300 00:21:49.720 --> 00:21:53.880 a lot of work. So the better diagram is probably do you see the 301 00:21:53.880 --> 00:21:57.720 halibut headset interconnect that first link right up at the top or at the top 302 00:21:57.759 --> 00:22:02.279 of the text that one, yes, click that, and then there is 303 00:22:02.319 --> 00:22:03.680 a diagram in there that I'm going to want you to zoom in on that 304 00:22:03.759 --> 00:22:08.160 diagram right there. So this is probably my best summary of OHIS. I 305 00:22:08.200 --> 00:22:12.319 need to go work on the other website. So I'm going to preface this 306 00:22:12.640 --> 00:22:17.839 that there are two different things that not for two things that I'm doing here 307 00:22:17.880 --> 00:22:23.160 today. One is standards advocacy. Right, this is a non commercial I 308 00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:27.359 believe this is something the hobby and the industry needs to do. That is 309 00:22:27.400 --> 00:22:32.640 the standard advocacy part of this, and that's ohis open headset interconnect to standard. 310 00:22:33.400 --> 00:22:37.240 The second thing is a very commercial my business. Oh by the way, 311 00:22:37.319 --> 00:22:41.920 I also happen to sell some of the devices that do this OHIS stuff. 312 00:22:41.359 --> 00:22:48.400 But the standard is an open standard that I am hoping individuals will start 313 00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:55.359 doing on their own as DIY projects or other companies will start adopting and bringing 314 00:22:55.359 --> 00:23:00.599 on their own stuff. So it may seem like I'm I've got some contradictory 315 00:23:00.720 --> 00:23:03.880 things going on here, where one of them is trying to get a bunch 316 00:23:03.880 --> 00:23:07.920 of other people to compete with me, And yes, that is exactly what 317 00:23:07.960 --> 00:23:14.599 I am doing. I am trying to get the industry on board with this 318 00:23:14.759 --> 00:23:18.640 open standard, and so that's going to look like I am trying to get 319 00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:22.440 other people to compete with me. It will also look like I'm doing this 320 00:23:22.519 --> 00:23:26.200 standards advocacy. Oh and by the way, I am selling devices. So 321 00:23:26.519 --> 00:23:29.799 I'm I try to keep these two different hats clear as to which one I 322 00:23:29.839 --> 00:23:33.599 have on at any given time. So right now I'm going to go put 323 00:23:33.640 --> 00:23:37.640 on my standards advocacy hat and talk about the standard itself. Okay, Okay, 324 00:23:38.119 --> 00:23:44.079 So the basic problem is we've got standards for power thirteen point eight volts 325 00:23:44.160 --> 00:23:48.279 DC. Right, we've got standards for our excuse me, fifty own coax. 326 00:23:48.640 --> 00:23:52.519 We may have different physical standards for those electrical standards, but it's easy 327 00:23:52.559 --> 00:23:56.559 to convert back and forth because electrically they're the same. Right. On power, 328 00:23:56.720 --> 00:24:00.200 we've got Anderson power poll. Or you've got that sixpin not quite Molex 329 00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:03.720 connector that is on the back of a lot of HF radios, right, 330 00:24:03.799 --> 00:24:07.839 It's kind of looks like a Molex connector, but Molex doesn't actually sell that 331 00:24:07.880 --> 00:24:11.160 connector. It's weird. Or the you know, the T shaped blade connector 332 00:24:11.200 --> 00:24:15.440 on the back of hanging out of mobile racks. Right, But it's easy 333 00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:18.200 to convert back and forth between those because they're the same electrically. Same with 334 00:24:18.319 --> 00:24:22.759 RF, you've got you know, PL tifty nine connectors or Type end connectors 335 00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:26.720 or BNC or SMA. They're all physical standard difference, but they're the same 336 00:24:26.759 --> 00:24:32.880 electrical standard. We don't have that kind of standard for the interface between the 337 00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:37.920 radio and the user. Right, So if I've got a headset that I 338 00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:44.440 buy, like say a highle Pro seven or a radio sport or a cheap 339 00:24:44.480 --> 00:24:51.000 O PC gaming headset off of eBay or Amazon. Right, I can't plug 340 00:24:51.039 --> 00:24:56.319 that into any radio right now, because none of the radios use those same 341 00:24:56.319 --> 00:24:59.640 connectors. But I can buy an adapter that goes from that particular headset to 342 00:24:59.680 --> 00:25:02.799 that p picular radio, right. But if I try and take that headset 343 00:25:02.799 --> 00:25:06.200 and plug it into a different radio, I need to buy a different adapter. 344 00:25:07.079 --> 00:25:11.480 And if I buy a different headset with a different connector, now I 345 00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:15.720 need a whole another set of adapters, right, And so you end up 346 00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:19.920 with this full mesh of adapters between every possible headset I ever want to plug 347 00:25:19.920 --> 00:25:25.720 into these radios and every possible radio that I may want to plug into. 348 00:25:26.119 --> 00:25:32.519 It's not just one adapter for each it's one adapter for each pairing Is that? 349 00:25:32.759 --> 00:25:37.519 Is that in addition to the fact that Icon uses a different microphone standard, 350 00:25:37.599 --> 00:25:42.440 Because my hile Pro seven, which I actually bought to connect to my 351 00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:48.240 Flex Maestro, which is an r J two forty five jacket, won't connect 352 00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:49.680 to the back of the freaking radio. It's a different plug, yep. 353 00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:55.119 But but it's the same plug as a Yazoo. So I can actually connect 354 00:25:55.160 --> 00:25:59.279 my hile Pro seven that I bought for the Maestro to my FTDX Tan Yazoo 355 00:25:59.279 --> 00:26:03.240 and it works great. But I am told that even if I switched the 356 00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:10.799 plug, the microphone in the that version of Pro seven is different than what 357 00:26:11.119 --> 00:26:15.480 Icon requires, so I can't use it on exactly correct. That that's part 358 00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:18.759 of part of the system that you're combating here, correct, correct, So 359 00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:21.640 you thank you. You you led me directly into the next part, which 360 00:26:21.680 --> 00:26:25.640 is even if I buy the right adapters. By the way, a lot 361 00:26:25.640 --> 00:26:29.599 of radios use the same physical connectors but different pinouts, right, right, 362 00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:33.160 And then even if you've got the right pin out and the right physical connector, 363 00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:38.519 you have this electrical discontinuity that there are dynamic microphones like what Flex uses 364 00:26:38.559 --> 00:26:44.200 and what YESU uses and what Kenwood uses, and then there are electric microphones 365 00:26:44.359 --> 00:26:48.799 like what Icon uses, and you can't take different They've got to be different. 366 00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:52.640 And you can't take a microphone from one and plug it into another. 367 00:26:53.559 --> 00:26:57.039 Right, And that's all just on HF. When you add mobile rigs into 368 00:26:57.079 --> 00:27:02.000 that, then you get into you know, so there's there's no standard, 369 00:27:02.359 --> 00:27:06.359 right. And when I'm at home in my home shack and I've got one 370 00:27:06.400 --> 00:27:10.640 headset, because I've only got one head right, and I've got my known 371 00:27:10.640 --> 00:27:12.319 set of radios. It's not that big of a burden to be able to 372 00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:17.480 buy these adapters. So does it really make sense in a home environment to 373 00:27:17.559 --> 00:27:19.839 do something about this? Not really. But when you go into a multi 374 00:27:19.960 --> 00:27:26.359 user environment, I think like a club shack or a contesting station or an 375 00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:32.359 EOC where I want to walk into this multi user environment with my headset that 376 00:27:32.440 --> 00:27:36.799 has my ear goopers in it, and I don't want you using my headset 377 00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:40.079 and getting your ear goopers into my ear cups. And I don't want to 378 00:27:40.119 --> 00:27:42.039 put your ear goopers into my ears, right, So I want to take 379 00:27:42.119 --> 00:27:48.720 my headset with me and be able to plug it into any radio in this 380 00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:53.680 environment and just have it work right. Our current environment does not lend itself 381 00:27:53.720 --> 00:28:00.200 to that. So what I am proposing is a standard interface between the radio 382 00:28:00.519 --> 00:28:03.559 and the user. And I use the term headset a lot because that's kind 383 00:28:03.559 --> 00:28:07.519 of the easiest to understand, But there's nothing about the standard that says it 384 00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:11.319 actually has to be a headset. It could just be a microphone on a 385 00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:15.440 boom with some you know, proper good earphones and a hand PTT switch. 386 00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:18.880 All of that works as well, But I'm going to continue to just summarize 387 00:28:18.920 --> 00:28:23.519 and call it headsets. That's totally fine. Yeah, I suppose I was 388 00:28:23.559 --> 00:28:27.559 thinking when you said user to radio, I was thinking, well, wait 389 00:28:27.559 --> 00:28:30.960 a minute. C W keys are pretty much standardized. You've either got a 390 00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:33.960 three point five millimeter jack or maybe a quarter inch jack, and they're adapters 391 00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:37.359 are plentiful for that. But I guess if you want to put a headset 392 00:28:38.079 --> 00:28:45.720 on your radio and listen to your I forget the name Kyle's going to kick 393 00:28:45.759 --> 00:28:48.839 me, where you hear your side tone, If you want to listen to 394 00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:52.799 your own side tone, you want to pull that signal out of some noise, 395 00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:56.279 then you have to have a headset to plug in whatever radio from there. 396 00:28:56.319 --> 00:29:00.240 It doesn't necessarily have to be the microphone head set, but it can 397 00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:07.839 be like an external speaker headset like ten both have a three point five millimeter 398 00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:11.799 on the front of it for audio only. You can't use that as a 399 00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:14.759 with a boom on it, but correct so there's there's options there, But 400 00:29:14.759 --> 00:29:18.440 there are options there, and like for each individual problem that we're talking about 401 00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:22.480 here, Honestly, the microphones are the most complex. Headphones are are easy 402 00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:25.119 to convert back that there are two standards of the three point five in the 403 00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:27.079 quarter inch, and it's either stereo or mono, but if you plug one 404 00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:32.920 into the other, it's fine. Mobile rigs don't have headphones output. They 405 00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:37.359 only have speaker outputs, and those speaker outputs are not always ground referenced, 406 00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:41.960 so electrically, if you try and plug a speaker output, even if you 407 00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:45.279 keep a volume really far down, if you plug that speaker output into something 408 00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:49.400 expecting a headphones, you may still blow it out, even if the voltage 409 00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:52.720 level is fine, because both sides are being driven, one of them is 410 00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:56.200 not ground. In headphones, you have ground and then a signal that goes 411 00:29:56.279 --> 00:30:00.200 up and down below, up and above, above and below ground. In 412 00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:04.119 speaker outputs, they are often what is called push pull or balanced, where 413 00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:08.440 you're driving both sides opposite of each other and you can end up delivering four 414 00:30:08.480 --> 00:30:12.160 times as much power with the same voltage. Power supply is the reason you 415 00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:15.000 end up doing that, So it allows you to have a more powerful amplifier 416 00:30:15.039 --> 00:30:22.279 audio amplifier without having to boost voltages up or anything like that. But because 417 00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:26.240 of that, they really can only be plugged into a speaker's They can't be 418 00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:30.160 plugged into anything that's expecting one of those two signals to stay at ground level. 419 00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:33.119 Right. So anyway, the point being that we've got all of this 420 00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:37.240 complexity and if you want to be able to just plug in a headset into 421 00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:41.400 one of these radios, you've got to do a lot of stuff to make 422 00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:45.319 that work. So I am proposing a standard called the Open Headset Interconnect Standard. 423 00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:51.119 It is an open standard, freelike speech. Right to borrow a term 424 00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:55.359 from the open source software community. It is freelike speech. I want this 425 00:30:55.440 --> 00:31:00.000 to be adopted by everybody. There is no licensing limitations on this or any 426 00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:06.880 thing like that. And it open headset interconnects. So again we're talking about 427 00:31:06.920 --> 00:31:11.079 the audio between the radio and the user. And then standard hopefully everybody adopts 428 00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:14.640 it, and then I can plug a headset from one manufacturer into a radio 429 00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:18.160 from another manufacturer and it just works. Right, that's the goal. Ideally 430 00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:25.400 the radio manufacturers and the headset manufacturers would adopt this standard natively, and you 431 00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:27.960 would buy an icon radio that just has an OHIS port on the front or 432 00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:32.440 maybe on the back, and it's just there and it works. Saying with 433 00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:37.400 ken Wood, saying with Gaysu, saying with flex whoever, right, that's 434 00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:44.200 the ideal future. I totally acknowledge that we are a long way away from 435 00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:48.880 that. Right, That's not going to happen anytime soon. And so we 436 00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:52.319 need to get adoption on this standard first. And the way we're going to 437 00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:57.039 do that is by making adapters. Okay, so now you're introducing adapters back 438 00:31:57.039 --> 00:32:00.960 into this play, How is that any better than where we are now? 439 00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:04.799 If I've got to buy adapters to go to OHIS, how is that better 440 00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:10.680 than what we're doing already? And the answer to that is for with a 441 00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:15.000 standard defined in the middle. Now, I buy one adapter from my radio 442 00:32:16.119 --> 00:32:21.839 that is unique to my radio, and you connected to the radio, and 443 00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:24.559 it presents an OHIS port, and that is the last adapter I ever buy 444 00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:28.759 for that radio. It connects to that radio, it is unique to that 445 00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:31.759 radio, and it stays with that radio forever. And then I do the 446 00:32:31.799 --> 00:32:36.519 same thing with my headset. I buy one adapter for my headset that is 447 00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:40.240 unique to that headset, and it stays with that headset forever. And now 448 00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:45.319 my radio has an OHIS port on it, and my headset has an OHIS 449 00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:52.240 port on it, and now I can plug that headset into any radio that 450 00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:54.319 has an OHIS port. I don't have to worry about what kind of radio 451 00:32:54.400 --> 00:32:59.519 is behind it. I don't have to worry about having a full mesh of 452 00:32:59.559 --> 00:33:04.640 all of these different adapters. It's one adapter per device and you're done. 453 00:33:06.440 --> 00:33:09.440 So would I be able to and if I understand what you're saying correctly, 454 00:33:09.440 --> 00:33:15.400 the answer to this is no. I I may have I may own more 455 00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:20.400 than one radio, Okay, more than one manufacturer shot but yeah, yeah, 456 00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:23.200 exactly so uh so, but I have my high Pro seven headset, 457 00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:27.160 which I would love to use on everything. So do I have to buy 458 00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:30.680 do I mean you said it stays with the radio forever? If I have 459 00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:34.960 five radios I use, when I have to buy five interfaces each one free 460 00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:37.880 tradio plus the one for my headset that stays with the headset. Understood that 461 00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:43.000 part, But yep, I would have to change them around between radios. 462 00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:46.440 You, I mean, technically you could do that, But the model assumes 463 00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:50.279 that you buy an adapter for the radio and it stays with that radio, 464 00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:55.599 okay, And and it does all of the conversion between the standard interface and 465 00:33:55.680 --> 00:34:00.400 whatever your radio needs. So if you plug. If you buy one of 466 00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:04.440 these and configure it for a YESSU radio, it'll take whatever the standard level 467 00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:09.360 is for the microphone and convert it to a dynamic level for that radio. 468 00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:14.039 Okay, Right, you buy one for an icon, it'll take whatever the 469 00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:19.639 standard is and convert it to that electric level that the icon is expecting. 470 00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:24.360 Right, So all of the complexity about what different types of signals these radios 471 00:34:24.519 --> 00:34:31.880 use are in those adapters. And then on the OHIS side, it is 472 00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:37.880 a standard interface that everybody uses that exact same electrical and to a lesser degree 473 00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:45.639 physical interface. Okay, I understood. So that is what OHIS is in 474 00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:50.079 a nutshell, well a very large nutshell, I talk a lot, and 475 00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:53.000 so like again, where does the shine. The shines in multi user environments 476 00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:57.239 like the EOC, like a contesting station, like a club shack, that 477 00:34:57.320 --> 00:35:00.840 kind of stuff. But that's not the only place that it works. The 478 00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:07.880 other advantage to having a standard interface between the user and the radio is that 479 00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:14.079 it makes it a hell of a lot easier to build a device that goes 480 00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:19.880 between the radio and the user. Right, that's what I actually want to 481 00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:27.000 do for Hell of It electronics. Then the reason I can justify trying to 482 00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:31.280 get other people to make adapters is that it gets adoption. And what I 483 00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:34.760 really want to do is I want to make these devices that go between the 484 00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:37.760 radio and the user. So let me give you an example of one of 485 00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:39.679 those devices. And this is where I'm going to be blurring the lines between 486 00:35:40.159 --> 00:35:45.320 standards advocacy and commercial products, because I am making this product, but I 487 00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:49.679 am using it as a justification for why you might want this standard in your 488 00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:52.880 shack as well, even in your personal shack. So there is a device 489 00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:55.960 I'm calling the contesting console. It is a single box. It has two 490 00:35:55.960 --> 00:36:00.719 ports for headsets, a left operator and a right operator, and you think 491 00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:07.599 of them as a radio operator and a logger. Is this on your website? 492 00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:13.599 Not yet? Okay, it's it's still in prototype form I am. 493 00:36:13.639 --> 00:36:16.199 I am literally developing prototypes for this thing right now. In fact, I 494 00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:20.599 just sent the next version of the prototype off to fab yesterday. Okay, 495 00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:25.519 So, and I'm I am ninety percent confident that that last prototype, version 496 00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:29.400 one dot two that I just sent off will be the last one I need 497 00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:32.440 to actually the last prototype I need to make before I go to production. 498 00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:36.800 So I'm hoping to be selling these before the end of the year. But 499 00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:42.159 the point is that it's a console that has two headset ports and one radio 500 00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:46.880 port, so it connects two users to that radio. Those users, yes, 501 00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:51.079 those users have an intercom between each other, so they can talk to 502 00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:52.639 each other and say, oh, was that a k M six or a 503 00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:57.159 k N six. Right. They can have those conversations without having to pull 504 00:36:57.199 --> 00:37:00.559 their headphones off to talk to each other. And they can each both hear 505 00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:07.320 the radio, and then whichever user presses their PTT, that user's microphone audio 506 00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:13.079 is sent to the radio. Okay, right, So each user has a 507 00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:16.079 four channel mixer. They have their own independent four channel mixer, and this 508 00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:20.320 is the audio. They can set the level for the audio from the radio 509 00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:22.639 itself their own audio, so they can get a little bit of sidetone. 510 00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:25.880 We were just talking about sidetone, right, So you can send your own 511 00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:30.039 microphone audio up to your headset if you want the other operator's microphone audio. 512 00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:35.559 And then the fourth one is what I'm calling ambient. There's a MEM's microphone 513 00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:37.760 up here if you want to be able to hear what's going on around you, 514 00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:40.320 like if somebody walks up to your table, that you're working at and 515 00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:44.360 they start asking you a question, rather than pulling your headphone off to be 516 00:37:44.400 --> 00:37:46.079 able to talk to them, you can just turn up the ambient mic a 517 00:37:46.159 --> 00:37:50.679 little bit and hear what they're saying to you, all right, without having 518 00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:55.199 to take your headphones off. And so each user has their own four channel 519 00:37:55.239 --> 00:38:00.480 mixers, so they can set their own balance of signals that they are hearing, 520 00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:06.480 right. And then there's also this one which is a speaker power amp. 521 00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:10.039 And so if that person walking by doesn't want to interrupt what you're doing, 522 00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:14.519 but they want to hear the full QUESO, right, they can already 523 00:38:14.519 --> 00:38:17.159 hear you talking because you're speaking right, but they can't necessarily hear the radio. 524 00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:22.920 So instead they turned this volume knob up and connect an external speaker to 525 00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:25.960 this three point five millimeter socket right here, and then that plays the radio 526 00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:29.719 audio. You just talked me into that, and let me tell you why 527 00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:32.239 I was already I was already going to buy one, but since you said 528 00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:38.639 that, okay, we go out and poda a lot, and I'll usually 529 00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:43.159 not always, but usually ninety five percent of the time have a camera ruling, 530 00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:45.159 Well, if I plug in my headset, the camera can't hear the 531 00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:47.920 audio of the radio coming back to me. Yeah, so you just solve 532 00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:51.760 the problem of being able to make a PODA video and use a headset at 533 00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:55.000 the same time. Yeah so in that yeah, yeah, yeah, that 534 00:38:55.000 --> 00:39:00.719 would do that for you. Yeah. But building this device taking off the 535 00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:06.079 commercial hat and putting on the standards advocacy hat. Building this device without that 536 00:39:06.199 --> 00:39:13.360 standard means that I need to make that port that connects to the radio complex 537 00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:16.639 enough so that it can connect to any radio, whether it's a dynamic microphone 538 00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:22.159 or electric microphone, whether it is headphone level, line level, speaker level, 539 00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:25.760 whether that speaker level is balanced, push pull or ground reference to all 540 00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:30.960 of that complexity has to be built into this device. Same with the headsets 541 00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:36.239 on these two ports, right, and with the standard, I don't have 542 00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:38.599 to worry about any of that. That makes this so much easier because I 543 00:39:38.719 --> 00:39:43.920 know exactly what kind of levels and what kind of signals are going to be 544 00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:47.679 coming in on each of those ports. Okay, does it have noise canceling 545 00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:52.000 for the voices in your heads? I'm sorry, James, I don't think 546 00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:55.960 I can. I am not qualified to address the voices in your head. 547 00:39:57.079 --> 00:40:01.000 To be blessed by priest first, So Jeff wanted to know, and I 548 00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:06.519 think you address this already. Does the OHIS adapter provide the bias for the 549 00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:16.440 electric kyle mic? So short answer is yes, okay, curses. I 550 00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:21.159 don't have any within easy reach, so all right, let me let me 551 00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:30.320 switch into commercial mode. I Mark Helibut Electronics is selling two different devices. 552 00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:32.840 I have what I call the Radio Pro. You've got pictures up there perfect. 553 00:40:34.119 --> 00:40:37.039 I have what I call the Radio Pro, which is this box here. 554 00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:39.360 This is the radio side adapter. So it's got all the different kinds 555 00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:44.239 of connectors that you can connect into your radio. It has the GX sixteen, 556 00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:49.280 the eight pin round connector, or an RJ forty five or three point 557 00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:52.480 five millimeter for the microphone. It's got an external PTT because you have a 558 00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:57.199 flex and so you know the joys of having PTC on a separate connector. 559 00:40:58.840 --> 00:41:02.079 Very few radios do that flext. So I've I've created or provided an RCA 560 00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:06.880 there for that, and then a three point five millimeter here for headphones or 561 00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:10.079 speaker output. All right, so you can connect these over to your radio 562 00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:16.280 and then of course power and then on the front it exposes an OHIS port 563 00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:20.800 on there, and so by just doing that, you have converted your radio 564 00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:23.440 into an OHIS. But wait a minute, I still want to be able 565 00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:27.800 to use my stock devices on my radio. I don't want to lose the 566 00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:31.920 ability to use my really nice desk mic from my YESU or whatever it is. 567 00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:37.800 Right, So radio pro also provides pass throughs for all the connectors on 568 00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:43.840 the back. Okay, so you can still connect your desktop radio or your 569 00:41:43.840 --> 00:41:47.239 desktop microphone or whatever it is, the stock microphone for your radio into the 570 00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:51.920 front of this, and if you use that microphone, it is connected through 571 00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:55.800 to your radio all the time until you hit PTT on the OHIS And once 572 00:41:55.840 --> 00:42:00.159 you hit PTT on the OHIS then it switches is the microphone over to the 573 00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:05.800 OHIS headset and then the receive audio from the radio goes to both of them 574 00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:08.719 and all the fun stuff. So this is the radio side adapter. All 575 00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:15.559 the electric all the circuits to convert from whatever the standard is to what your 576 00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:20.079 radio uses are in here. All the pinouts are configured in here, all 577 00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:22.920 of the electrical signals are configured in here. You got trimpots to adjust all 578 00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:25.760 of that, and a couple of jumpers that you can set for whether you 579 00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:29.320 need gain and blah bah blah, bah blah. All of that stuff is 580 00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:35.400 configured in here, and so this should work on literally any radio. That's 581 00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:39.159 why it's the pro model, is that you can configure it for any radio. 582 00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:43.960 Does it does it come with adapters? Or do you have to specify 583 00:42:43.960 --> 00:42:45.519 which radio you're going to put it on when you're ordering, or how does 584 00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:49.519 that work? So bring up the web page again and I'll show this to 585 00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:52.039 you. Short answer is you specify one. Okay. So the one on 586 00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:57.199 the right there the HHI Radio Pro configure board. That is where all the 587 00:42:57.239 --> 00:43:01.320 configuration is done. And it looks ginormous and complex. Don't worry about it. 588 00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:06.440 It is pre configured for most radios, most modern radios. If you 589 00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:09.239 have a weird radio that uses a different pin out or different signal levels, 590 00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:13.480 then you may have to go in in there in a just a few things, 591 00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:15.880 and all of this is documented. It's all very clear. It is 592 00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:22.639 only configured with slaughter blobs. Okay. But when you buy your Radio Pro, 593 00:43:23.119 --> 00:43:29.960 it comes with one config board and you get to select which of I 594 00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:37.199 think four different configurations I have for YSU HF radios, Yasu mobile radios, 595 00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:45.039 which are unfortunately a different config board ICM HF and mobile rigs and Kenwood HF 596 00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:49.679 and mobile rigs, And of course the YU HF works with Flex and the 597 00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:55.519 Kenwood works with Ellacraft as well because Ellacraft chose the Kenwood standard for their connections. 598 00:43:55.519 --> 00:44:00.000 So you get to choose which of the config boards you buy. If 599 00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:07.199 you change radios or make a mistake there, you can reconfigure your existing config 600 00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:09.920 board, or you can buy an additional config board. So you are asking, 601 00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:15.760 do I need to buy one adapter for every single radio? OHIS does 602 00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:21.440 not specify that my products specifically, all the configuration for the radio is handled 603 00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:24.199 that on that board. That's only forty bucks. And so you can buy 604 00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:28.639 additional daughter boards, one for each of your radios, and so you can 605 00:44:28.679 --> 00:44:32.920 move the big expensive part from one radio to the next and just swap out 606 00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:38.760 the configuration for the radio on that on that simple board, right, Or 607 00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:43.159 you can buy one adapter for every single radio and give them each their own 608 00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:47.639 unique configuration board. Okay, okay, And then you do have to know 609 00:44:47.719 --> 00:44:52.400 which cables you need, right, whether you buy a g X sixteen cable 610 00:44:52.519 --> 00:44:55.679 or an r J forty five or if you've got a Yasu mobile, the 611 00:44:55.760 --> 00:45:00.000 Yeysu mobiles use the six pin r J a connector. I think it's an 612 00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:06.599 RJ twelve or six P six C And we do make we Halibut Electronics do 613 00:45:06.679 --> 00:45:09.480 make a custom cable that is an RJ forty five on one side and the 614 00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:14.719 RJ twelve the six pin on the other side, with the correct pinouts and 615 00:45:14.760 --> 00:45:17.960 everything. And we make sure that the microphone signal stays on a pair, 616 00:45:19.119 --> 00:45:22.480 which makes it a pain in the butt to make. Yeah, I imagine, 617 00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:27.519 So okay, okay, okay, good. So, so the question 618 00:45:27.639 --> 00:45:32.440 was about the that doesn't provide the bias voltage for the uh hile microphones. 619 00:45:32.599 --> 00:45:36.400 So go back to the to the previous page. Actually it might be a 620 00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:39.639 you might also be interested in at the bottom anyway, look for no click 621 00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:45.079 on the up at the top. Yep. Click on the HHI the Halibut 622 00:45:45.079 --> 00:45:47.559 Headset interconnect link again, yep. There, and then go down to the 623 00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:53.360 user pro. So the User pro that is the headset side of this. 624 00:45:53.880 --> 00:45:59.320 So the User Pro is a small plastic box device and it's got an RJ, 625 00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:02.800 it's got an ohis port on one side. And then three three point 626 00:46:02.800 --> 00:46:07.760 five millimeter sockets on the other side. And again it can also be fully 627 00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:13.599 configured, but you buy it pre configured for different headsets. Inside that box 628 00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:21.119 is a microphone preamp that will take a dynamic microphone and bring it up to 629 00:46:21.159 --> 00:46:23.679 the electric level, which is the standard. So we haven't actually talked about 630 00:46:23.719 --> 00:46:29.239 what the standards are. Electrically speaking, the standard OHIS standard is electric level 631 00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:32.440 standards. So if you if your headset is already an electric microphone, you 632 00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:37.320 can just connect it straight through with no electronics. If your headset is a 633 00:46:37.400 --> 00:46:44.400 dynamic microphone, the standard includes a very simple five component preamp. It's like 634 00:46:44.440 --> 00:46:47.800 one transistor, three resistors and one capacitor. You know, it costs pennies 635 00:46:49.079 --> 00:46:52.840 to make and that will take a dynamic microphone, allow and allow you to 636 00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:58.599 connect it to a device expecting an electric microphone. So it does the amplification 637 00:46:58.639 --> 00:47:04.639 and it uses the bias our coming from the device that you're plugging the microphone 638 00:47:04.639 --> 00:47:08.199 into. So for five components you can turn a dynamic microphone into an electric 639 00:47:08.239 --> 00:47:12.840 microphone. That is part of the standard. It is available as part of 640 00:47:12.880 --> 00:47:15.000 the standard, mean you don't have to use it if you've got a better 641 00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:17.199 mic preempty to rather use. You're welcome to. But it's available free for 642 00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:22.400 use for anybody who wants to do that. So I would probably want to 643 00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:27.920 get one for Icom yep, because my Hio pro seven is made for Yezu 644 00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:30.599 slash Flex and I can plug it in natively, and then I could take 645 00:47:31.599 --> 00:47:38.239 that same headset with this User Pro and plug it into an OHIS poured on 646 00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:42.400 an icon that I set up. Correct. So the way you would do 647 00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:45.760 this is you would buy User Pro preconfigured it. Again, you'll let us 648 00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:47.920 let the User Pro has the choose option down there. What preconfiguration do you 649 00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:53.159 want? You would buy one for the Icom Dynamic I'm sorry, Hile dynamic. 650 00:47:53.280 --> 00:47:57.800 Hio Yeah, Hi, Hile dynamic. So that matches the element that 651 00:47:57.840 --> 00:48:01.679 you have in your microphone, even though your icon is expecting an electorate that 652 00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:07.079 is handled on the radio pro side. Got you right? On this side, 653 00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:12.280 you are adapting whatever your headset has to the standard. Okay, So 654 00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:16.280 you would buy a high dynamic User Pro excuse me, and then you'd be 655 00:48:16.360 --> 00:48:23.119 OHIS standard in the middle, and then you would buy a Icom Radio Pro 656 00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:28.960 and that would convert from whatever the standard is to what the icon is using 657 00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:37.159 right understood, Okay, perfect, So that's that taking off the standards advocacy 658 00:48:37.159 --> 00:48:40.880 hat and putting on the commercial hat again. Uh. These adapters, the 659 00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:45.280 Radio Pro and the User Pro are available for pre order right now. If 660 00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:50.199 you go to electronics doto dot com, they are pre order right there. 661 00:48:50.320 --> 00:48:55.000 We have all the parts except for one. That one is the plastic case 662 00:48:55.239 --> 00:49:00.880 for those User pros. Uh. They are supposed to be delivered in September, 663 00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:01.840 and then I've got a bunch of milling that I need to do to 664 00:49:01.880 --> 00:49:07.039 them and then send them up to the manufacturing company. And we should be 665 00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:12.280 shipping these by early October, is my guess. If we weren't worth waiting 666 00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:15.679 on those plastic cases, we'd be doing manufacturing right now and I'd be able 667 00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:19.840 to ship even earlier. But I am committing to October twenty twenty three, 668 00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:25.000 maybe earlier. The contesting console is is still in development, but I am 669 00:49:25.039 --> 00:49:30.639 hoping I might be able to start selling these by the end of the year. 670 00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:34.920 I'm pretty darn close to having this ready to go, and if not 671 00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:37.599 by the end of this year, then early next year. I need I 672 00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:40.360 need to order the first one of those. I need to order the first 673 00:49:40.360 --> 00:49:44.519 batch of those. So, uh, Kyle had a question, it's pretty 674 00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:50.000 good. If you moved his adapters from radio to radio, would you need 675 00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:54.920 to reconfigure the adapter in software. So for my adapters, everything here is 676 00:49:54.920 --> 00:50:02.480 analog. There is no software involved anywhere. So if you moved a radio 677 00:50:02.599 --> 00:50:07.639 Pro adapter from radio to radio, the way you would do that is by 678 00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:13.960 removing that configuration board and putting on a different configuration board. You would need 679 00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:17.239 to set up each configuration board for each radio. So all of those those 680 00:50:17.239 --> 00:50:22.360 giant jumper fields come pre configured unless you need to tweak something. But there 681 00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:28.199 are trimpots on there that need to be adjusted for your particular radio. And 682 00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:32.039 again instructions for all of this are in the in the user guide. But 683 00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:37.559 once you have that config board adjusted for that radio, then it's good to 684 00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:42.960 go. You put that config board on that Radio Pro and it will it 685 00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:45.119 will work with that radio. If you need to move the big expensive part 686 00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:49.000 to a different radio, you take out the config board and put in the 687 00:50:49.000 --> 00:50:52.199 config board for that other radio and you're good to go. So you could 688 00:50:52.199 --> 00:51:00.719 effectively have because it looks like the Radio pros about two twenty five correct is 689 00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:04.400 what it says on this Where where did I go shop? You go into 690 00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:06.880 the individual products? Yeah, yeah, yeah, there we go. So 691 00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:09.320 two twenty five for that, Yes, but for an extra forty bucks you 692 00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:15.400 could configure it for another radio and just and have it multi purpose at that 693 00:51:15.400 --> 00:51:20.519 point in time. The two twenty five includes one configuration board of your choice 694 00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:23.639 for forty dollars. You can add additional configures. Yes, right, okay, 695 00:51:23.719 --> 00:51:27.360 yeah, yeah, that's a better way of saying it. Yeah, 696 00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:32.239 good, okay, perfect. So the user pros are similarly configurable, that 697 00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:36.760 is to say, they come preconfigured, but if you open it up inside, 698 00:51:36.760 --> 00:51:40.119 there's a similar jumper field there. You can assign any signal to any 699 00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:49.000 pin except for the PTT the anyway. Yeah, so these are entirely reconfigurable. 700 00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:52.119 If you buy one for one device, it doesn't mean that it only 701 00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:55.440 ever works for that one device. You can reconfigure any of these to work 702 00:51:55.480 --> 00:52:01.239 with any device if you need to. But that reconfiguration involves like placing and 703 00:52:01.280 --> 00:52:06.760 removing solder blobs, so it's not a quick change from one. It's oh 704 00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:09.599 I sold my flex radio and I bought an icom. You know, it's 705 00:52:09.599 --> 00:52:13.599 that kind of reconfiguration. It's not I'm going to move from this radio to 706 00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:15.960 that radio today and then move it back tomorrow. You can do that with 707 00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:19.679 the configu board on the radio pro, but not with the user pro. 708 00:52:20.760 --> 00:52:25.320 Gotcha. Okay, good, good, Thank you Dennis. Dennis is always 709 00:52:25.440 --> 00:52:29.639 always fun with the comments. Shut up and take my money. You go 710 00:52:29.679 --> 00:52:32.199 to electronics dot Hella, but dot com and you I will take your happily 711 00:52:32.199 --> 00:52:37.360 take your money there. Yeah. Steve KO four AFL has been sharing the 712 00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:40.320 link in the chat, so, in fact, Steve's one of the He 713 00:52:40.400 --> 00:52:44.480 didn't I think the original email I got was from you, Mark, but 714 00:52:44.519 --> 00:52:46.840 then Steve piped up and provided more info and said he already had some of 715 00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:50.360 this stuff, so he does. Yeah, he was one of my early 716 00:52:50.400 --> 00:52:53.079 adopters. Thank you, Steve. I appreciate all your support and everything you've 717 00:52:53.119 --> 00:52:58.760 done to help out over the last couple of years. Excellent. Well, 718 00:52:58.760 --> 00:53:05.280 this looks like a really fun on project. Yeah, hopefully October October time 719 00:53:05.320 --> 00:53:08.320 frame being what it is, that that would be in time for some cooler 720 00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:13.239 weather and some parks on the air before the weather gets too cold in a 721 00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:15.199 lot of places. So I think that I think this is going to be 722 00:53:15.199 --> 00:53:21.719 a winning situation. So thank you. If anybody wants to build one of 723 00:53:21.719 --> 00:53:24.119 these things or a bunch of these things for their club or anything like that, 724 00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:28.920 with my standards advocacy had on, I will help you, not give 725 00:53:28.920 --> 00:53:35.199 me money, Like seriously, I really want this to be adopted, because 726 00:53:35.559 --> 00:53:38.119 these are the things that I'm not going to help you make. The contesting 727 00:53:38.119 --> 00:53:42.360 console is where I want to be, uh, you know, adding value, 728 00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:45.559 not on the adapters themselves. So if you want to start working on 729 00:53:45.599 --> 00:53:49.159 adapters, even if you want to start a company that competes with me, 730 00:53:49.239 --> 00:53:52.400 I will help you make it happen. So reach out to me. Mark 731 00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:57.440 at Electronics do help dot com is my email address or you can use the 732 00:53:57.440 --> 00:54:02.320 contact does on the website. I'm also on mastodon at Smitty at halibut dot 733 00:54:02.400 --> 00:54:08.719 com. Yeah, okay, okay, cool, excellent, Okay, man, 734 00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:12.880 this is this is really cool info. All the all the comments in 735 00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:16.760 the chat have been very positive and people are wanting to know, they're wanting 736 00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:20.159 they're ready to purchase. They're not wanting no window, but they're ready to 737 00:54:20.199 --> 00:54:22.760 purchase whenever it's ready. So I'm gonna I'm gonna throw a ranch into it. 738 00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:29.039 Real quick. Okay, Okay, you set all the good name brands. 739 00:54:29.840 --> 00:54:31.880 What about those other name brands out there that might be from a neighboring 740 00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:37.840 Asian country. Yes, so it will work with all of those because it's 741 00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:42.480 still you know, headphone level or speaker level. Uh. And it's still 742 00:54:42.519 --> 00:54:50.599 electric or dynamic microphones. So, like I, I am not explicitly targeting. 743 00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:55.079 I haven't made any configuration boards specifically for those, right, Okay, 744 00:54:55.840 --> 00:55:00.800 but that is something that you can definitely do. If you have a specific 745 00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:05.519 radio that you want me to do, I will work with you to figure 746 00:55:05.559 --> 00:55:10.039 out what the correct configuration is of that configure board to make it work with 747 00:55:10.079 --> 00:55:14.440 that radio. Like I had a I had a one of the users in 748 00:55:14.519 --> 00:55:22.400 my early adopter program wanted to use the user Pro with a Kenwood style hand 749 00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:27.679 mike. You know the two pin three point five and two point five millimeter 750 00:55:28.480 --> 00:55:31.559 uh that like all the all the radios, all the inexpensive radios use as 751 00:55:31.599 --> 00:55:35.559 their standard interface. Right. He had a headset that he that uses that 752 00:55:35.599 --> 00:55:38.159 interface that's meant to connect into an HT and so he wanted a user Pro 753 00:55:38.280 --> 00:55:43.960 that would work on that. And I don't have that in my standard Arsenal, 754 00:55:44.719 --> 00:55:46.480 so I worked with him to figure out what that configuration would look like, 755 00:55:46.639 --> 00:55:51.360 and I'm totally happy to do that. Okay, I think most of 756 00:55:51.360 --> 00:55:58.199 the Zigu radios use a Yazoo style. Okay, if I'm not mistaken, 757 00:55:58.360 --> 00:56:01.119 are they RJ forty five? Yeah, the G ninety is RG forty five. 758 00:56:01.239 --> 00:56:06.599 I can't remember on the sixty one hundred or the fifty one oh five. 759 00:56:06.639 --> 00:56:08.400 I believe there are RG forty fives. I could be wrong about that, 760 00:56:08.840 --> 00:56:13.840 yeah, but somebody in the chattel no, I'm sure. But but 761 00:56:13.960 --> 00:56:20.800 you know, now you've got BG twofx dot com. I forget his first 762 00:56:21.039 --> 00:56:23.920 right now. Really, nice guy. Really, the the FX four CR 763 00:56:24.079 --> 00:56:28.800 radios, those are yeah, those are coming coming along nicely. And you've 764 00:56:28.840 --> 00:56:31.400 got the ln R precision stuff. Of course, the ln R precision stuff 765 00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:36.760 is CW only, so you're probably not gonna want to worry about that right 766 00:56:36.760 --> 00:56:40.280 now. But but there's there's two or three other models out there that are 767 00:56:40.800 --> 00:56:46.320 that have come along and been a good option for the t X five hundred 768 00:56:46.320 --> 00:56:50.159 from Lab five nine nine. It's a good example and it has those funky 769 00:56:50.199 --> 00:56:53.000 aircraft plugs on it, but it but it comes with an adapter. I 770 00:56:53.199 --> 00:56:55.880 think it comes with like an RG forty five two one of those adapters, 771 00:56:55.960 --> 00:57:00.800 or maybe somebody makes one aftermarket something like that. So yeah, so yeah, 772 00:57:00.800 --> 00:57:04.760 there's there's there's definitely more than just the big five or six, which 773 00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:08.280 if you're if you're into heavy HF, you're probably have one of those anyways. 774 00:57:08.280 --> 00:57:12.280 So I think you've got most of your bases covered. But you know, 775 00:57:12.360 --> 00:57:14.960 I've wanted to know that because if I didn't ask it, someone else 776 00:57:15.039 --> 00:57:20.239 would sure. Absolutely. And the even if the radio pro doesn't come with 777 00:57:20.280 --> 00:57:24.079 a pre configuration for your radio, you can buy what I'm calling my generic 778 00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:30.199 config That is, it just doesn't have any thing assigned on the eight pin 779 00:57:30.239 --> 00:57:35.400 connectors, and you can figure out what pin out you need for yourself and 780 00:57:35.480 --> 00:57:38.559 apply it to that config board. So you can configure these for just about 781 00:57:38.599 --> 00:57:44.320 any radio. Okay. And I only say just about because I hate making 782 00:57:44.360 --> 00:57:47.119 absolute statements because they're too easy to be proven wrong. I can't think of 783 00:57:47.159 --> 00:57:52.599 any Ham radio that these won't work with with the appropriate configuration and the appropriate 784 00:57:52.639 --> 00:57:59.079 cables. Okay, Okay, that's a fair statement. So there's one question 785 00:57:59.119 --> 00:58:00.920 I saw in the chat room. Can I bring it in is that okay, 786 00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:05.159 sure, absolutely? Yeah. From Mike Groves, he asks, are 787 00:58:05.199 --> 00:58:09.519 you in discussion with any of the major manufacturers to incorporate ohis And that is 788 00:58:09.559 --> 00:58:14.239 a mighty fine question, and the answer is I would love to be. 789 00:58:15.800 --> 00:58:22.760 I have approached both Flex and Ellacraft at him mention this year, and I 790 00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:30.519 was still pretty early in my advocacy process at that point, and they I 791 00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:36.400 talked to I don't remember names, and I probably offend people if I got 792 00:58:36.400 --> 00:58:42.039 it wrong, but definitely the CTO at Flex, and I believe the CEO 793 00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:46.599 at Ellacraft, and both of them were like, that's a really good idea. 794 00:58:46.760 --> 00:58:51.280 I don't think it will ever happen, And so I refer to it 795 00:58:51.400 --> 00:58:57.800 as optimistic skepticism. Yeah right right, yeah, And so it's it. 796 00:58:58.559 --> 00:59:01.519 You know, they come from from a viewpoint of they've worked in the industry 797 00:59:01.559 --> 00:59:09.880 forever and trying to get the manufacturers to to agree on anything is problematic, 798 00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:14.719 right, And so that's why I'm starting with adapters, is because I know 799 00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:17.639 just going to the manufacturers and say you should do this is not going to 800 00:59:17.719 --> 00:59:23.000 work until there is traction in the market. Right, radios are starting to 801 00:59:23.039 --> 00:59:30.519 adopt Anderson Power polls on the radios natively themselves. And that's because it has 802 00:59:30.639 --> 00:59:36.920 become a dominant, de facto standard, and it's going to take a long 803 00:59:37.000 --> 00:59:42.639 damn time. The thing that I think is working in my favor here is 804 00:59:42.679 --> 00:59:51.159 that this doesn't have to be a replacement for your existing stuff. This really 805 00:59:51.239 --> 00:59:55.320 should be in addition to your existing connectors, right, just like we have 806 00:59:55.400 --> 01:00:00.719 the data port on the back, right, like the the one that gives 807 01:00:00.760 --> 01:00:04.119 you direct access to the modulator and discriminator and all that stuff and allows you 808 01:00:04.159 --> 01:00:07.440 to do ninety six BOT and stuff like that. That doesn't replace your normal 809 01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:13.320 microphone connector. It's an addition to it, right, I feel like OHIS 810 01:00:13.320 --> 01:00:16.800 could be that. Right, you still have your eight pin g X sixteen 811 01:00:17.000 --> 01:00:23.119 round microphone connector that you've got an entire ecosystem of devices for that you make 812 01:00:23.159 --> 01:00:27.599 a bunch of money on, right, Great, keep doing that. All 813 01:00:27.639 --> 01:00:31.800 I'm asking is that you add it clearly marked RJ forty five, preferably to 814 01:00:31.800 --> 01:00:37.440 the front, but maybe on the back that is an OHIS port and allow 815 01:00:37.480 --> 01:00:40.559 people that if they plug something into there, that that also works and that 816 01:00:40.719 --> 01:00:45.760 is not as big of a burden on the manufacturers. I think it isn't 817 01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:51.719 adding a feature, not replacing something, and having to admit that they are 818 01:00:51.800 --> 01:00:58.360 capitulating to one of the other manufacturers designed standards. Right, So I'm optimistic. 819 01:00:59.159 --> 01:01:01.800 I think the way we get there is by getting the community to say, 820 01:01:02.039 --> 01:01:07.159 yes, I want this, and get the community to be saying I 821 01:01:07.239 --> 01:01:10.719 have to buy an adapter for your radio. It would be much better to 822 01:01:10.800 --> 01:01:15.599 me if I didn't have to buy an adapter, right, and get the 823 01:01:15.239 --> 01:01:20.679 users who are buying these radios to go to the manufacturers and say, I 824 01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:23.079 want you to put this port directly on your radio. And to do that 825 01:01:23.119 --> 01:01:29.039 we need to get adoption. And that's what I'm starting on here. Okay, 826 01:01:29.440 --> 01:01:32.239 well, I wish you luck. I think it's a great idea. 827 01:01:32.679 --> 01:01:38.199 I think I think it's a very good idea. HAM radio has always been 828 01:01:38.199 --> 01:01:45.360 about innovation and standardization anyway, So yeah, in my opinion, so it's 829 01:01:45.480 --> 01:01:46.880 uh, I think I think it's a great idea. If if if you've 830 01:01:46.920 --> 01:01:52.679 got flex and allcraft that are buying into it then or that are excited about 831 01:01:52.679 --> 01:01:55.440 it but but skeptical, then you know, that's yeah, that's that's that's 832 01:01:55.440 --> 01:01:58.440 a step in the right direction. I think, you know, it's going 833 01:01:58.480 --> 01:02:00.320 to be go ahead, I was gonna. I don't want to put words 834 01:02:00.360 --> 01:02:04.480 in their mouth, so do not make the takeaway here. Oh, flex 835 01:02:04.480 --> 01:02:07.400 an Allocraft are working on this. No, flex An Allocraft have made it 836 01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:10.840 very clear to me that they are not interested in doing this until there attraction 837 01:02:10.920 --> 01:02:15.199 in the market, right, So that's what I'm trying to do here, 838 01:02:15.199 --> 01:02:19.760 and the way we get that traction is by doing these adapters. I realized 839 01:02:19.760 --> 01:02:23.920 that my pro adapters are on the pricey side for something that people may not 840 01:02:24.000 --> 01:02:28.920 be feeling a pain point of right now, which is part of the reason 841 01:02:28.960 --> 01:02:31.760 why I'm hoping that somebody else comes along and says I can do that better 842 01:02:31.760 --> 01:02:36.719 and cheaper on the adapters. Great, please do. This is where I 843 01:02:36.719 --> 01:02:39.719 think I'm really adding value and that's what I want to be doing, and 844 01:02:39.840 --> 01:02:45.960 that will just increase adoption. So totally yeah, okay, excellent. Well 845 01:02:46.280 --> 01:02:51.360 once again electronics dot halibut dot com. Steve has shared that link in the 846 01:02:51.400 --> 01:02:54.599 chat several times. You guys, go check that out and if is there 847 01:02:54.599 --> 01:02:58.360 an Yeah, there's a contact button on this page. There is yes, 848 01:02:59.119 --> 01:03:02.800 contact mark all of this stuff. His contact info is right there at that 849 01:03:02.880 --> 01:03:07.039 website that we just shared. So Mark, I appreciate your time today, 850 01:03:07.079 --> 01:03:09.199 buddy. It's uh. It's always good to see new projects, to hear 851 01:03:09.239 --> 01:03:13.800 about new things that Hams are working on and see how it can benefit the 852 01:03:13.800 --> 01:03:15.199 community as a whole. And I think I think you're think you got a 853 01:03:15.199 --> 01:03:19.199 really good start here. Yeah, thank you very much. I appreciate you 854 01:03:19.239 --> 01:03:22.039 having me on the show. If you ever want to talk about common mode 855 01:03:22.039 --> 01:03:27.960 current chokes and how to measure them, or satellite antennas with eggnog antennas. 856 01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:30.440 That's the other products I'm working on. If you ever want me to come 857 01:03:30.440 --> 01:03:31.760 on and talk about those, just let me know. I'm right here now. 858 01:03:31.920 --> 01:03:37.440 What is an eggnog antenna? Sorry, egg beater antenna for Satnoggs is 859 01:03:37.480 --> 01:03:42.320 the product that I'm developing that I'm calling eggnogs. My apologies, I okay, 860 01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:45.239 screwed up the verb, Okay, so I know that's okay. Uh. 861 01:03:46.719 --> 01:03:52.039 Yeah. The Sacknoggs guys were at Tapper I think two or three years 862 01:03:52.079 --> 01:03:54.400 ago. Yeah, and I got they did like a three and a half 863 01:03:54.400 --> 01:03:57.719 hour session on Sunday morning. I got all that on video. It's on 864 01:03:57.719 --> 01:04:00.880 my channel. Nice so very complex stuff, but looking at right now. 865 01:04:00.920 --> 01:04:03.679 You can't see it on the camera, but looking right here, I have 866 01:04:03.719 --> 01:04:10.719 a portable rotation rotor from our Finder that interfaces into his Android device and tracks 867 01:04:10.719 --> 01:04:13.360 the satellite for you. Is that the one that he just released on pre 868 01:04:13.519 --> 01:04:17.400 order? Yep? Yeah, so that actually my first product was that never 869 01:04:17.440 --> 01:04:23.760 went to market, is called SORE Satellite Optimized Amateur Radio, and it's an 870 01:04:23.920 --> 01:04:27.400 appliance for operating FM satellites. That's a whole different story we don't have time 871 01:04:27.440 --> 01:04:32.079 to get into now, but one of the very common asks was can you 872 01:04:32.119 --> 01:04:39.599 please build a portable, twelve volt lightweight rotator for satellite antennas? And I'm 873 01:04:39.639 --> 01:04:44.039 like, maybe one of these days, But it looks like our Finder beat 874 01:04:44.119 --> 01:04:47.239 us to it, and their product looked rad It saw a lot of people 875 01:04:47.360 --> 01:04:51.039 wincing at the price, but I'm like, as somebody who's building hardware in 876 01:04:51.079 --> 01:04:56.719 the United States right now during a global semiconductor shortage and is probably a small, 877 01:04:57.079 --> 01:05:00.320 you know, very few number of people in the business, that price 878 01:05:00.320 --> 01:05:02.639 sounds about right to me. Yeah. And it and it does run on 879 01:05:02.679 --> 01:05:05.920 twelve volts and it does have power polls. I plug it into my Gigga 880 01:05:05.960 --> 01:05:10.239 Parts explorer box and done, We're done. I mean, you know, 881 01:05:10.280 --> 01:05:14.320 the the our funding device itself has its own battery, but the actual rotor 882 01:05:14.440 --> 01:05:16.800 runs on twelve volts. So yeah, it's going to be a we're I'm 883 01:05:16.840 --> 01:05:20.000 taking it to the beach next week and you guys will see some some videos 884 01:05:20.039 --> 01:05:25.159 on that, so be interested to talk to you about your about those uh 885 01:05:25.559 --> 01:05:30.440 egg beat or eggnog intens, whatever you're calling them. So whenever you whenever 886 01:05:30.480 --> 01:05:32.559 you want to get back on and do that be a fun project as well. 887 01:05:32.639 --> 01:05:35.920 So awesome, cool, Well, thank you everybody in the chat mark 888 01:05:36.000 --> 01:05:40.280 once again, thank you for your time. We're gonna shut it down. 889 01:05:40.480 --> 01:05:45.199 I wish everyone a happy Wednesday afternoon. And as we said in the beginning 890 01:05:45.199 --> 01:05:46.360 we were talking about all Star, you guys, connect to my node four 891 01:05:46.440 --> 01:05:50.800 three one three six. I am reconnected finally because I got it rebooted last 892 01:05:50.920 --> 01:05:55.159 night, so and it's all working again. So seventy three to all mark 893 01:05:55.440 --> 01:05:57.760 once again, thank you for time. Have a good afternoon, all right, 894 01:05:57.880 --> 01:06:00.320 seventy three is bia good humans everyone exactly