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Welcome to Spacing Out with Boebe and
Jason this week covering Battlestar Galactica Season four,

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episode eight, Senequanon. Welcome back. I'm Bobe and I'm Jason,

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and welcome to Spacing Out or today
we will be discussing the one and only

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Battlestar Galactica. Well it's not the
one and all the way I just start

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myself, I'm like, well,
No. One of several Battlestar galacticas.

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If you're new to the show,
welcome and you should know. We're gonna

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have a spoiler section at the end
of the podcast where we are free to

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discuss siny future events in the series, but otherwise we won't be spoiling anything

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past this episode, which is Battlestar
Galactica Season four, episode eight, Senny

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Quannin. This aired on May twenty
seventh, two thousand and eight, Written

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by Michael Taylor, directed by Rod
Hardy. The survivor count Who's thirty nine

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thousand, six hundred seventy four,
which is an addition of One Last Time

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Do Not Know Who was added an
important colonizer In this episode, Lea dama

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enlists Romo Lampkin to search for a
temporary replacement for president, as Laura Rosen

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has assumed kidnapped that vice president is
not good enough. Athena is sent to

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the brig for killing the Number six
Natalie, and after it is revealed that

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Kaprica six is pregnant with Colonel Tie's
baby, Tie and Admiral O Dama get

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into a physical fight, and then
in order to not risk the safety of

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the fleet, Admiral Adama stays behind
on the Raptor hoping for Roslin's return while

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the fleet jumps away. Right,
So to me, that was like,

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did we really need a new leader
then? Because the only thing that was

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impeding Zeric from taking power was Adama
and now Adama's out of the picture.

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So did we really have to go
through all that? Seems like not,

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because I don't know if Ti didn't
seem to be that objective to their right

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he was taking his phone calls.
Yeah, vibe check. Did we like

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the episode overall? How does it
stand the test of time? It's okay,

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it's not like great, but it's
definitely movings along and giving us some

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character development and has one of the
best fight scenes I've seen between two old

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men. So that's pretty cool.
I guess they hit each other hard.

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Yeah, that first punch from Tie. Yeah, don't bringing into this great

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iconic exactly what we want to see. I wonder if he's got that like

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extra cylon strength that looked like Tory
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maybe I was wondering if his moth, if his fist hurts like steel,

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like he's got Wolverine bones or something. I don't think that's how it works.

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There's still blood and guts as we
saw on the operating table. Oh

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yeah, yeah. I like the
episode. It's a little slower, but

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still drama. Yeah, a lot
of drama, a lot of anger from

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the Admiral at all different people as
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And I found Romo Lampkin to be
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a dynamic character in this as we
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him, and he's not just this
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He's a lawyer, so I don't
care for him too much. No,

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I'm just kidding. He's still in
it for the money. Yeah, he's

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definitely interesting, and we got a
surprise return of Jake the dog, so

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not find the human? No trivia
time? What facts could we uncover for

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snakeuanon? All right, trivia?
I only have one little piece of trivia,

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and that's the title of the episode. Does sine quandin which is Latin

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and means without which knot? And
what that means is basically just something that

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is absolutely essential, like your iPhone
or what I don't get it? Um

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I wrote down what I found on
Google, which is chocolate chips or the

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sinni quanin of chocolate chip cookies.
When does the sinni quandon for flying a

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kite? Oh? Okay, so
it's something that you can't Yeah, you

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get it. Finny quan It sounds
like something you would say. It doesn't

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sound Latin to me. It sounds
like a Jamaican proverb like cny quanam man,

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Like you know that was terrible Jamaican
accent. Well, it sounds like

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a legal term, you know,
like quid pro quo. Oh yeah,

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the thing What it means in this
episode, I don't really know. I

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guess maybe it talks about Laura's relationship
with a Dama and how he can't live

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without her. There you I was
wondering what it was. I just didn't

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jump out to me as obvious.
But that makes sense, Yeah without which

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not because he's not going to go
on without her. Yeah, very romantic

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deep space dive. Let's break down
some of our thoughts on the episode.

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We may use your comments on an
upcoming episode. So I didn't realize we

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were going to see number six Natalie
alive at the beginning of this episode.

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I think last time I gave her
a post humanous award in the Astill Queen.

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But yeah, I was surprised she
was living in this episode for so

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long. For a moment, I
thought like, oh, does she survive

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this? But no, we just
see the trauma of her dying holding Doc

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Codell's hand. So sweet. I
really like that little detail of him holding

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her hand, you like, reach
us out to her. He's the last

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person she sees. And then she
goes into their Cylon afterlife greenery somewhere,

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some park somewhere I don't know.
Well, she's she's projecting the thing that

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cylons do where they can see a
different surrounding. Oh yeah, I forgot

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they could do that. Yeah,
so she's like, I just don't want

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to be in this operating room in
my last moments. That's fair. That's

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so. They tend to always go
to a forest for some reason, but

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it's cheap to foam outside and look
in the grass. Where would you project

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to? Um, I don't know. I know exactly where. I would

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project to the beach in California.
That's where I would project, so,

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like, while I'm at work,
i'd just be like surrounded by a beautiful

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beach. Oh, that'd be iconic. I thought you meant like when dying,

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Oh, when dying, Oh,
when dying, I would project to

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a beach. Yeah, I'm more
of a beach bitch than a mountain hole.

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Mountains are great too, though,
Like they're cool, but they don't

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have a beach. Well, I
would project to a mountain side that does

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have a beach. Oh that sounds
dangerous, but I guess you can have

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it all. Jason, Yep,
damas so mad in this episode. First

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he's mad at Athena. Oh yeah, he gives it to her. He's

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like, you disappointed me? Did
you want to break this alliance? Or

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are you just fucking stupid? And
I was like, whoa and she didn't

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have a good excuse either. He's
like, I said a vision, and

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he's like, God, damn it, I'm tired of hearing about visions.

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Laura won't shut up about him.
Everyone has a vision these days, right,

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And there's so much speculation about what's
going on in the Quorum because they're

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like, Bault stole her, No, it was the cylons, and they're

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like talking about what the fuck just
happened, and they're not really in the

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know. It's all hearsay. Yeah, but it's pretty accurate. But so

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with Athena, you know, Adama
puts her in the brig and she doesn't

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want to be separated from her child, but he's like, the Brig's no

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place for a child, So he
does separate them. But at the end

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of the episode, when he tells
Ty to reunite them, what t do

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just put the baby in the brock. I thought that was so funny.

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I thought that was so funny,
Like, so the baby is in prison,

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what's going on? That was wild? Yeah, Oh my god.

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He was a very literal man.
He's like bet um. So yeah.

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The damas also really mad at Tie
because he finds out that he got caught

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with his hands in the cookie jar. Yeah, he's getting a Cylon pregnant,

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which you I didn't know he had
the capability of doing that. I

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guess men are built different, yep. But also that that's two Cylons making

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a baby, just you know what
they were trying to do early in the

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series, Cylons were trying to procreate
yep. Um. So yeah, So

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they have their fight sequence and there
were some angry words that didn't during the

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or right before it. Yeah,
like he's like, what what hell is

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it about you getting a fucking skin
job bregnant? He literally said fracking though,

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but you know, he literally said
the curse word, and I was

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like, oh. And then Colonel
Ties like, don't you bring my wife

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into us? And that's what like
set him off, and he started he

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just like straight up sucker punched Adama. And Adama's like, oh, fuck,

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you ain't taking this ship lying down. You're not gonna do this to

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me on my ship, on my
house. And he's already pissed off about

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everything else, so he's like beating
him up. And then it's so good,

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so so great, and then fucking
Colonel Tye like throws him on the

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desk where he works on his ship, and then they end up like one

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of them is on the couch and
he's like, all right, I'm done.

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I don't know. It was weird, like they got in a fight

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and then later they're like acting like
it never happened. Yeah, they just

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had to come the blows. And
then they're both like, well, we're

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too old to solve it this way, so I guess cool, Well we

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need each other too. Or Adama
realized he needs Colonel Tie in order to

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leave the fleet, he has to
leave it in his hands, and Colonel

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tis like, are you sure,
man, because the last time I kind

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of beefed it? Oh man,
I don't know. Now they don't have

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Laura and they won't have Adama.
What's going to happen to the fleet?

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As soon as they jump away from
Adama? He's like martial law. I

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love that, Like the model ship? Has this become a joke? Now

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he's breaking it all the time.
You can't finish that shit? Oh god.

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Yeah. Adama's also I don't know, he's necessarily like mad at Zeric,

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but he won't even talk to Zeric
or considers Eric because if he does

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that kind of acknowledges that Laura is
no longer alive or in power. Yeah,

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I think part of it is.
And then another part of it is

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that he never liked that guy.
Nope, and so that puts there it

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in a really awkward position of trying
to lead without any power, and baby

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Adama's like, well, what if
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And he's like, let me go
off on my side quest to get let

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me get the whiteboard and rally up
the troops to make a list and check

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it twice. And we're in some
pretty basic quarters, some quarters we don't

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really get to see normally, and
what's his name, Romo's quarters, which

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he says he got those quarters by
taking Baltar's case because it has a really

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tiny window. He wants a bigger
window. And I thought that was really

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fun and interesting to see like an
insight on the guy and like see how

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he lives. And I don't know, sometimes his train thought is weird,

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but I thought it was interesting that
he was cool enough to approach Adama personally.

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I'm like, what's going on,
my man? Right? Like most

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people would be like scared to walk
up and just start talking to him.

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So It's very interesting that he's trying
to figure out who should be in charge

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and he kind of comes to the
conclusion that it's obviously Lea Dama. And

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then there was this whole side thing
about his cat. He wasn't feeding his

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cat, his cat was sick or
something, and then all of a sudden,

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the cat was dead. Yeah.
So when you were seeing the cat

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in the episode, that was all
on his head, like the cat had

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been dead for weeks. Oh how
come he didn't smell it in his little

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tiny room. You would have been
able to smell that in a duffel bag.

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He would have. Yeah, dead
cat steak. That's fucked up.

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Is he okay in the head?
I mean, I mean he's definitely.

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He's dealing with trauma, dealing with
that grief and survivor's guilt. Yeah,

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that cat was like the last thing
connecting him to his family. Yeah.

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I would hate that. I would
hate that. And now he's taking care

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of the dog, because that's totally
logical that he murdered or somehow like a

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cat was not okay in his I
don't know how the cat died, but

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for him to keep the cat for
that long after it died I don't know.

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If I would run off and get
this guy a new pet right away,

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I'd be like, see how you
do with like a fish? I

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mean, I don't know, Like
is he going to be able to take

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care of a dog? It's not
clear how the cat died, but he

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says like they killed the cat,
so I don't know who That makes me

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feel like he's more mentally unstable.
Like I'm not saying people who have mental

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issues shouldn't have pets, but they
should be able to take care of the

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pets. And if the pets pass
away for some reason, they should be

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able to dispose of the body within
a reasonable amount of time and not hold

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onto the corpse because that's unsanitary.
And if you did have other pets,

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that would probably get them sick.
So I don't know, man, I

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don't know. If i'd give that
guy a dog right away, it'd be

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like, maybe you can talk to
Doc Coddle and see what's going on.

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So like a cat, I can
see, like they just have a litter

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box, But where do you take
the dog to do their business? Right?

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Then maybe there's like an AstroTurf dog
park in the middle of every ship.

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Maybe a four by four square where
all the dogs shit and piss that

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gets cleaned regularly with the hose.
They don't have the Cloud nine chip,

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the big like outdoor garden space,
but you wouldn't be able to take your

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dog there whenever it needed to go
outside anyway, so there'd have to be

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like a dog promenade or something.
Yeah. Yeah, if you don't remember,

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Jake the dog was on New Caprica
and they had to dog bowl.

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That was part of the symbol for
whether there's a message they flip over the

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dog bowl. Yeah, Felix was
a big part of that. That poor

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dog was just swanting some food and
everyone's turning his bowl upside down or water.

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They just want some water, man, we're dog. Hopefully Romo will

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remember to feed the cat or the
dog. Um. It does feel like

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they were just trying to find a
way to make Leadama president. Like he's

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he got moved from the military to
the presidency pretty quick here. Yeah,

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talk about nepotism. Yeah, your
dad already gave you a battle star and

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you broke that. You would literally
like smashed it and ran, and now

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you've been given the presidency. Good
luck, don't fuck it up. I

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still feel like they did all that
for not because literally the one person who

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was opposing Xeric's command was literally chose
to exile himself away from the fleet.

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Yeah, I agree, if they
had just taken like a few more hours

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trying to decide like, oh okay, well wait a minute, wait a

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minute, I don't think we need
to do this anymore. Guys. Meanwhile,

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Zarek's just sitting in his office brooding
over how no one will let him

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be president. Right, He's pouting, he's trying. It's so hard.

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He had a legitimate claim to the
presidency. And because one guy was like

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fuck you dude, he's like not
it. The like legal gymnastics they had

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to do to make him vice president
again is ridiculous. I feel like it'd

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be harder to replace the vice president
who becomes a president than a regular president

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in some cases. That's crazy.
Anything else you want to talk about,

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Um, I just had a quick
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first time they've ever mentioned anything about
having artificial gravity on their ships. And

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this show doesn't get bogged down a
lot with like technical explanations of stuff like

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but I'm always curious, like how
does that work? And so when a

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racetrack was checking out that raptor,
She's like, oh, the gravitational fields

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down, so they are generating it
somehow. It was cool to see Racetrack

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going out there and doing exploritation or
whatever. The CGI stuff was really good

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in this episode. Yeah, her
little base walk, Yeah, I enjoyed.

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Racetrack has had like so many close
calls before that, Like, I

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got really nervous when she thinks explode. I know it. She's not gonna

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make it. So how do you
feel about the episode being like one one

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side of the story, Like we
don't see what happens to Rosalind Baltar and

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all them, Like we're just seeing
what happens in their absence. I kind

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of like it because it lets us
focus on the aftermath of what's happening,

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and it's their reality that they don't
know. So I like that we're living

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in their reality of unknown. Yeah, we have the same point of view

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as the characters. Yeah, So
I think that was like a good balance

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of like creating suspense and drama because
we understand where everybody's coming from about all

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of this uncertainty because we don't know
either. So I like that. I

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like them a lot. Sometimes it's
fun to see like ooh, I know

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that she's okay, or oh my
god, the fucking silence took her.

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But this, this gives me more
entertainment as an audience member to not what

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you think. You agree? I
agree? And so we leave with Admiral

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Adama sitting alone in the void of
space, which I think would be terrifying

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for most people. Yeah, he's
like, I did this as my first

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re commission, so I don't have
a big It's no big deal. He's

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gonna wait for his a woman.
I hope he brought some snacks. He

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probably brought his modelship. Well,
no, he's reading that book that's half

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burned, which if you're following that
book, Rosalind took it with her to

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the bass Star and then it shows
up in that raptor. All right,

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I think we can move on astral
Queen. Who was the standout character in

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the episode? So who stood out
in this episode? I feel like the

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main characters are Adam Adama and Romo
Lampkin Colonel Tie. Yeah, I'm to

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give a chest Senior Adama for taking
a hit and staying behind. Oh yeah,

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I was also thinking of the Admiral
it seemed to be the story seemed

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to be about his emotional journey trying
to process everything that happens. The Leadama

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story like it's okay, but I
still just it feels like as as humble

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as they tried to make him through
the episode, he's still the guy that

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was like, I think we should
look for a new president and then ends

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up selecting himself. Yeah. I
mean, they try to show us how

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much he doesn't want it, but
it seems like he kind of does.

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Yeah. So, yeah, I
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And he's openly admitting his feelings for
Laura Roslin to the public even Yeah,

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I like that. He even like
consulted Doc Coddle about like what are her

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chances? How is she going to
react without her treatment? And he's like

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telling him like, well, at
first she's going to feel great and then

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slowly but surely she'll die. And
Adama doesn't like that, and he's like,

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I need to get her back.
She needs to get back into her

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tree man, she needs to survive. Yep. So that is two awards

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for Admiral Adama. All right,
are you ready for the spoiler section of

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this episode? Yeah? So that
is the end of the main part of

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the episode. We are going to
go into spoilers, so if you don't

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want any spoilers for the rest of
the season and you are free to leave

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now. The next episode we are
covering is called The Hub. Sounds like

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a cool hangout joint for teens.
Yep, we'll be getting some burgers and

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milkshakes. Yeah, that sounds so
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Lee Stylus in this group race for
Impact. Spoilers ahead. If you haven't

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Spoils in five four three two one. So this is the first Cylon pregnancy,

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and we already know because we're in
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the other Cylon, which means that
Colonel Tye and Ellen Ty could never have

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a child because they were Cylons.
But all of a sudden, Colonel Tye

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has a Cylon baby with number six. But apparently that baby does not come

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to full term and it is miscarried
yep, which is that yes it is,

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and that will mean that Tara retains
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right, But they still haven't revealed
that little Benjie is a little bait

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bastard whatever his name is, Little
Nikki. I'm ready for that Tita spill

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fucking Callie and her spoiled milk smell. He did her so dirty hot Dog

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was into it. Doug lives into
it, I but the hot Dog was

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into it. Oh yeah. So
the next episode we get to see the

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other side of this story, what's
happening on the bass Star with Roslin and

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Baltar and yeah, which I think
is a kind of a fun way to

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put these episodes together. Yeah,
I'm excited for a Baltar episode where he's

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going to be like frantic and be
like, ah, where are we?

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And I'm sure Laura is going to
be like the stoic leader that she always

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is, and she's going to be
calm and cool and collected and she'll be

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like taking charge. So I'm really
excited to see that. And then don't

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they have like a bunch of pilots
with them? Yeah, they do,

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Yeah, because that's that was part
of the issue that they were short on

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pilots in this episode because she decided
to bring them with her on her excursion.

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Yeah, they got Halo there too. Yeah. Good thing is baby

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safe in that jail cell? Yep. So Lee, he's gonna He's gonna

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remain in the presidency. Sometimes my
memory of season four is just kind of

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a blur, even though I really
like this season. I think that's partially

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just because it is really long.
Yeah, well, it's structured, is

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just like a very serialized story,
so it's hard to remember how everyone gets

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all these different points. But I
remember them being at these kind of milestone

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parts. But eventually, when Lee
I think, has to step down,

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they go on a mission near the
finale. He appoints Romo Lampkin as the

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president in the interim, so they
just keep passing that torch between the good

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old boys instead of having a fair
and like honest election. Huh. They'll

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get to it. Yeah, we're
getting close to the mid season finale,

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which we'll have some big reveals in
it. That's only two episodes away,

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and then we'll probably do on a
bit of a hiatus before we come back

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for the back half of season four. I should also mention between the two

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halves of season four. We'll touch
on the web series titled The Face of

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the Enemy, which aired between the
two halves of the season, which had

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a long break because of the writer's
strike. So we'll touch on that and

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you can find that on YouTube,
I believe. So just the heads up

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on that front, and I think
that's all I have talk about here.

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Ryan, Well, we'll see you
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