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past this episode, which is Battlestar Galactica Season four, episode eight, Senny
Quannin. This aired on May twenty seventh, two thousand and eight, Written
by Michael Taylor, directed by Rod Hardy. The survivor count Who's thirty nine
thousand, six hundred seventy four, which is an addition of One Last Time
Do Not Know Who was added an important colonizer In this episode, Lea dama
enlists Romo Lampkin to search for a temporary replacement for president, as Laura Rosen
has assumed kidnapped that vice president is not good enough. Athena is sent to
the brig for killing the Number six Natalie, and after it is revealed that
Kaprica six is pregnant with Colonel Tie's baby, Tie and Admiral O Dama get
into a physical fight, and then in order to not risk the safety of
the fleet, Admiral Adama stays behind on the Raptor hoping for Roslin's return while
the fleet jumps away. Right, So to me, that was like,
did we really need a new leader then? Because the only thing that was
impeding Zeric from taking power was Adama and now Adama's out of the picture.
So did we really have to go through all that? Seems like not,
because I don't know if Ti didn't seem to be that objective to their right
he was taking his phone calls. Yeah, vibe check. Did we like
the episode overall? How does it stand the test of time? It's okay,
it's not like great, but it's definitely movings along and giving us some
character development and has one of the best fight scenes I've seen between two old
men. So that's pretty cool. I guess they hit each other hard.
Yeah, that first punch from Tie. Yeah, don't bringing into this great
iconic exactly what we want to see. I wonder if he's got that like
extra cylon strength that looked like Tory had now that he's aware. Yeah,
maybe I was wondering if his moth, if his fist hurts like steel,
like he's got Wolverine bones or something. I don't think that's how it works.
There's still blood and guts as we saw on the operating table. Oh
yeah, yeah. I like the episode. It's a little slower, but
still drama. Yeah, a lot of drama, a lot of anger from
the Admiral at all different people as he's trying to process the loss of Roslin.
And I found Romo Lampkin to be a little more interesting, I guess,
a dynamic character in this as we kind of got some character development for
him, and he's not just this kind of oddball guy that speaks weirdly.
He's a lawyer, so I don't care for him too much. No,
I'm just kidding. He's still in it for the money. Yeah, he's
definitely interesting, and we got a surprise return of Jake the dog, so
not find the human? No trivia time? What facts could we uncover for
snakeuanon? All right, trivia? I only have one little piece of trivia,
and that's the title of the episode. Does sine quandin which is Latin
and means without which knot? And what that means is basically just something that
is absolutely essential, like your iPhone or what I don't get it? Um
I wrote down what I found on Google, which is chocolate chips or the
sinni quanin of chocolate chip cookies. When does the sinni quandon for flying a
kite? Oh? Okay, so it's something that you can't Yeah, you
get it. Finny quan It sounds like something you would say. It doesn't
sound Latin to me. It sounds like a Jamaican proverb like cny quanam man,
Like you know that was terrible Jamaican accent. Well, it sounds like
a legal term, you know, like quid pro quo. Oh yeah,
the thing What it means in this episode, I don't really know. I
guess maybe it talks about Laura's relationship with a Dama and how he can't live
without her. There you I was wondering what it was. I just didn't
jump out to me as obvious. But that makes sense, Yeah without which
not because he's not going to go on without her. Yeah, very romantic
deep space dive. Let's break down some of our thoughts on the episode.
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We may use your comments on an upcoming episode. So I didn't realize we
were going to see number six Natalie alive at the beginning of this episode.
I think last time I gave her a post humanous award in the Astill Queen.
But yeah, I was surprised she was living in this episode for so
long. For a moment, I thought like, oh, does she survive
this? But no, we just see the trauma of her dying holding Doc
Codell's hand. So sweet. I really like that little detail of him holding
her hand, you like, reach us out to her. He's the last
person she sees. And then she goes into their Cylon afterlife greenery somewhere,
some park somewhere I don't know. Well, she's she's projecting the thing that
cylons do where they can see a different surrounding. Oh yeah, I forgot
they could do that. Yeah, so she's like, I just don't want
to be in this operating room in my last moments. That's fair. That's
so. They tend to always go to a forest for some reason, but
it's cheap to foam outside and look in the grass. Where would you project
to? Um, I don't know. I know exactly where. I would
project to the beach in California. That's where I would project, so,
like, while I'm at work, i'd just be like surrounded by a beautiful
beach. Oh, that'd be iconic. I thought you meant like when dying,
Oh, when dying, Oh, when dying, I would project to
a beach. Yeah, I'm more of a beach bitch than a mountain hole.
Mountains are great too, though, Like they're cool, but they don't
have a beach. Well, I would project to a mountain side that does
have a beach. Oh that sounds dangerous, but I guess you can have
it all. Jason, Yep, damas so mad in this episode. First
he's mad at Athena. Oh yeah, he gives it to her. He's
like, you disappointed me? Did you want to break this alliance? Or
are you just fucking stupid? And I was like, whoa and she didn't
have a good excuse either. He's like, I said a vision, and
he's like, God, damn it, I'm tired of hearing about visions.
Laura won't shut up about him. Everyone has a vision these days, right,
And there's so much speculation about what's going on in the Quorum because they're
like, Bault stole her, No, it was the cylons, and they're
like talking about what the fuck just happened, and they're not really in the
know. It's all hearsay. Yeah, but it's pretty accurate. But so
with Athena, you know, Adama puts her in the brig and she doesn't
want to be separated from her child, but he's like, the Brig's no
place for a child, So he does separate them. But at the end
of the episode, when he tells Ty to reunite them, what t do
just put the baby in the brock. I thought that was so funny.
I thought that was so funny, Like, so the baby is in prison,
what's going on? That was wild? Yeah, Oh my god.
He was a very literal man. He's like bet um. So yeah.
The damas also really mad at Tie because he finds out that he got caught
with his hands in the cookie jar. Yeah, he's getting a Cylon pregnant,
which you I didn't know he had the capability of doing that. I
guess men are built different, yep. But also that that's two Cylons making
a baby, just you know what they were trying to do early in the
series, Cylons were trying to procreate yep. Um. So yeah, So
they have their fight sequence and there were some angry words that didn't during the
or right before it. Yeah, like he's like, what what hell is
it about you getting a fucking skin job bregnant? He literally said fracking though,
but you know, he literally said the curse word, and I was
like, oh. And then Colonel Ties like, don't you bring my wife
into us? And that's what like set him off, and he started he
just like straight up sucker punched Adama. And Adama's like, oh, fuck,
you ain't taking this ship lying down. You're not gonna do this to
me on my ship, on my house. And he's already pissed off about
everything else, so he's like beating him up. And then it's so good,
so so great, and then fucking Colonel Tye like throws him on the
desk where he works on his ship, and then they end up like one
of them is on the couch and he's like, all right, I'm done.
I don't know. It was weird, like they got in a fight
and then later they're like acting like it never happened. Yeah, they just
had to come the blows. And then they're both like, well, we're
too old to solve it this way, so I guess cool, Well we
need each other too. Or Adama realized he needs Colonel Tie in order to
leave the fleet, he has to leave it in his hands, and Colonel
tis like, are you sure, man, because the last time I kind
of beefed it? Oh man, I don't know. Now they don't have
Laura and they won't have Adama. What's going to happen to the fleet?
As soon as they jump away from Adama? He's like martial law. I
love that, Like the model ship? Has this become a joke? Now
he's breaking it all the time. You can't finish that shit? Oh god.
Yeah. Adama's also I don't know, he's necessarily like mad at Zeric,
but he won't even talk to Zeric or considers Eric because if he does
that kind of acknowledges that Laura is no longer alive or in power. Yeah,
I think part of it is. And then another part of it is
that he never liked that guy. Nope, and so that puts there it
in a really awkward position of trying to lead without any power, and baby
Adama's like, well, what if we just put somebody else in power?
And he's like, let me go off on my side quest to get let
me get the whiteboard and rally up the troops to make a list and check
it twice. And we're in some pretty basic quarters, some quarters we don't
really get to see normally, and what's his name, Romo's quarters, which
he says he got those quarters by taking Baltar's case because it has a really
tiny window. He wants a bigger window. And I thought that was really
fun and interesting to see like an insight on the guy and like see how
he lives. And I don't know, sometimes his train thought is weird,
but I thought it was interesting that he was cool enough to approach Adama personally.
I'm like, what's going on, my man? Right? Like most
people would be like scared to walk up and just start talking to him.
So It's very interesting that he's trying to figure out who should be in charge
and he kind of comes to the conclusion that it's obviously Lea Dama. And
then there was this whole side thing about his cat. He wasn't feeding his
cat, his cat was sick or something, and then all of a sudden,
the cat was dead. Yeah. So when you were seeing the cat
in the episode, that was all on his head, like the cat had
been dead for weeks. Oh how come he didn't smell it in his little
tiny room. You would have been able to smell that in a duffel bag.
He would have. Yeah, dead cat steak. That's fucked up.
Is he okay in the head? I mean, I mean he's definitely.
He's dealing with trauma, dealing with that grief and survivor's guilt. Yeah,
that cat was like the last thing connecting him to his family. Yeah.
I would hate that. I would hate that. And now he's taking care
of the dog, because that's totally logical that he murdered or somehow like a
cat was not okay in his I don't know how the cat died, but
for him to keep the cat for that long after it died I don't know.
If I would run off and get this guy a new pet right away,
I'd be like, see how you do with like a fish? I
mean, I don't know, Like is he going to be able to take
care of a dog? It's not clear how the cat died, but he
says like they killed the cat, so I don't know who That makes me
feel like he's more mentally unstable. Like I'm not saying people who have mental
issues shouldn't have pets, but they should be able to take care of the
pets. And if the pets pass away for some reason, they should be
able to dispose of the body within a reasonable amount of time and not hold
onto the corpse because that's unsanitary. And if you did have other pets,
that would probably get them sick. So I don't know, man, I
don't know. If i'd give that guy a dog right away, it'd be
like, maybe you can talk to Doc Coddle and see what's going on.
So like a cat, I can see, like they just have a litter
box, But where do you take the dog to do their business? Right?
Then maybe there's like an AstroTurf dog park in the middle of every ship.
Maybe a four by four square where all the dogs shit and piss that
gets cleaned regularly with the hose. They don't have the Cloud nine chip,
the big like outdoor garden space, but you wouldn't be able to take your
dog there whenever it needed to go outside anyway, so there'd have to be
like a dog promenade or something. Yeah. Yeah, if you don't remember,
Jake the dog was on New Caprica and they had to dog bowl.
That was part of the symbol for whether there's a message they flip over the
dog bowl. Yeah, Felix was a big part of that. That poor
dog was just swanting some food and everyone's turning his bowl upside down or water.
They just want some water, man, we're dog. Hopefully Romo will
remember to feed the cat or the dog. Um. It does feel like
they were just trying to find a way to make Leadama president. Like he's
he got moved from the military to the presidency pretty quick here. Yeah,
talk about nepotism. Yeah, your dad already gave you a battle star and
you broke that. You would literally like smashed it and ran, and now
you've been given the presidency. Good luck, don't fuck it up. I
still feel like they did all that for not because literally the one person who
was opposing Xeric's command was literally chose to exile himself away from the fleet.
Yeah, I agree, if they had just taken like a few more hours
trying to decide like, oh okay, well wait a minute, wait a
minute, I don't think we need to do this anymore. Guys. Meanwhile,
Zarek's just sitting in his office brooding over how no one will let him
be president. Right, He's pouting, he's trying. It's so hard.
He had a legitimate claim to the presidency. And because one guy was like
fuck you dude, he's like not it. The like legal gymnastics they had
to do to make him vice president again is ridiculous. I feel like it'd
be harder to replace the vice president who becomes a president than a regular president
in some cases. That's crazy. Anything else you want to talk about,
Um, I just had a quick mention that, like, this is the
first time they've ever mentioned anything about having artificial gravity on their ships. And
this show doesn't get bogged down a lot with like technical explanations of stuff like
but I'm always curious, like how does that work? And so when a
racetrack was checking out that raptor, She's like, oh, the gravitational fields
down, so they are generating it somehow. It was cool to see Racetrack
going out there and doing exploritation or whatever. The CGI stuff was really good
in this episode. Yeah, her little base walk, Yeah, I enjoyed.
Racetrack has had like so many close calls before that, Like, I
got really nervous when she thinks explode. I know it. She's not gonna
make it. So how do you feel about the episode being like one one
side of the story, Like we don't see what happens to Rosalind Baltar and
all them, Like we're just seeing what happens in their absence. I kind
of like it because it lets us focus on the aftermath of what's happening,
and it's their reality that they don't know. So I like that we're living
in their reality of unknown. Yeah, we have the same point of view
as the characters. Yeah, So I think that was like a good balance
of like creating suspense and drama because we understand where everybody's coming from about all
of this uncertainty because we don't know either. So I like that. I
like them a lot. Sometimes it's fun to see like ooh, I know
that she's okay, or oh my god, the fucking silence took her.
But this, this gives me more entertainment as an audience member to not what
you think. You agree? I agree? And so we leave with Admiral
Adama sitting alone in the void of space, which I think would be terrifying
for most people. Yeah, he's like, I did this as my first
re commission, so I don't have a big It's no big deal. He's
gonna wait for his a woman. I hope he brought some snacks. He
probably brought his modelship. Well, no, he's reading that book that's half
burned, which if you're following that book, Rosalind took it with her to
the bass Star and then it shows up in that raptor. All right,
I think we can move on astral Queen. Who was the standout character in
the episode? So who stood out in this episode? I feel like the
main characters are Adam Adama and Romo Lampkin Colonel Tie. Yeah, I'm to
give a chest Senior Adama for taking a hit and staying behind. Oh yeah,
I was also thinking of the Admiral it seemed to be the story seemed
to be about his emotional journey trying to process everything that happens. The Leadama
story like it's okay, but I still just it feels like as as humble
as they tried to make him through the episode, he's still the guy that
was like, I think we should look for a new president and then ends
up selecting himself. Yeah. I mean, they try to show us how
much he doesn't want it, but it seems like he kind of does.
Yeah. So, yeah, I think the admiral is a better choice.
And he's openly admitting his feelings for Laura Roslin to the public even Yeah,
I like that. He even like consulted Doc Coddle about like what are her
chances? How is she going to react without her treatment? And he's like
telling him like, well, at first she's going to feel great and then
slowly but surely she'll die. And Adama doesn't like that, and he's like,
I need to get her back. She needs to get back into her
tree man, she needs to survive. Yep. So that is two awards
for Admiral Adama. All right, are you ready for the spoiler section of
this episode? Yeah? So that is the end of the main part of
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Spoils in five four three two one. So this is the first Cylon pregnancy,
and we already know because we're in the spoiler section that Ellen Ty is
the other Cylon, which means that Colonel Tye and Ellen Ty could never have
a child because they were Cylons. But all of a sudden, Colonel Tye
has a Cylon baby with number six. But apparently that baby does not come
to full term and it is miscarried yep, which is that yes it is,
and that will mean that Tara retains the title of the only hybrid child,
right, But they still haven't revealed that little Benjie is a little bait
bastard whatever his name is, Little Nikki. I'm ready for that Tita spill
fucking Callie and her spoiled milk smell. He did her so dirty hot Dog
was into it. Doug lives into it, I but the hot Dog was
into it. Oh yeah. So the next episode we get to see the
other side of this story, what's happening on the bass Star with Roslin and
Baltar and yeah, which I think is a kind of a fun way to
put these episodes together. Yeah, I'm excited for a Baltar episode where he's
going to be like frantic and be like, ah, where are we?
And I'm sure Laura is going to be like the stoic leader that she always
is, and she's going to be calm and cool and collected and she'll be
like taking charge. So I'm really excited to see that. And then don't
they have like a bunch of pilots with them? Yeah, they do,
Yeah, because that's that was part of the issue that they were short on
pilots in this episode because she decided to bring them with her on her excursion.
Yeah, they got Halo there too. Yeah. Good thing is baby
safe in that jail cell? Yep. So Lee, he's gonna He's gonna
remain in the presidency. Sometimes my memory of season four is just kind of
a blur, even though I really like this season. I think that's partially
just because it is really long. Yeah, well, it's structured, is
just like a very serialized story, so it's hard to remember how everyone gets
all these different points. But I remember them being at these kind of milestone
parts. But eventually, when Lee I think, has to step down,
they go on a mission near the finale. He appoints Romo Lampkin as the
president in the interim, so they just keep passing that torch between the good
old boys instead of having a fair and like honest election. Huh. They'll
get to it. Yeah, we're getting close to the mid season finale,
which we'll have some big reveals in it. That's only two episodes away,
and then we'll probably do on a bit of a hiatus before we come back
for the back half of season four. I should also mention between the two
halves of season four. We'll touch on the web series titled The Face of
the Enemy, which aired between the two halves of the season, which had
a long break because of the writer's strike. So we'll touch on that and
you can find that on YouTube, I believe. So just the heads up
on that front, and I think that's all I have talk about here.
Ryan, Well, we'll see you later, Alligator. We'll see you all
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