WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.920 --> 00:00:03.759 Hello how very good afternoon, I am Karen Ramirez and we are in one 2 00:00:03.799 --> 00:00:06.919 more broadcast to go Radio design in your ears, in this new season, 3 00:00:07.440 --> 00:00:11.039 that we are recording from capo laboro in the street of San Luis, potosi 4 00:00:11.199 --> 00:00:14.560 one hundred and thirteen here in the colony Romas, and that they come to 5 00:00:14.560 --> 00:00:17.199 turn to the show room, because it is all furniture of high design. 6 00:00:17.239 --> 00:00:20.440 So come and take a little turn to see him. And because I am 7 00:00:20.480 --> 00:00:24.399 very happy because for the first time it will be with us a great architecture. 8 00:00:24.480 --> 00:00:27.960 I admire very much for a very long time, that is, I 9 00:00:27.960 --> 00:00:33.159 was at the University when I admired his work and I am very happy to 10 00:00:33.159 --> 00:00:36.439 be able to share several events and meet and greet us. And now that 11 00:00:36.479 --> 00:00:40.560 he' s here talking to us. This is Elizabeth Gomez with a wave 12 00:00:40.560 --> 00:00:44.200 of architecture. How you' re doing All right, kareno, very happy 13 00:00:44.240 --> 00:00:47.119 to be here with you. Thank you so much for the batons. I 14 00:00:47.159 --> 00:00:50.840 mean, I' m not that rough. Now listen to what Karen, 15 00:00:51.399 --> 00:00:57.240 Karen knows me, but I think she was a primary at college. Hey, 16 00:00:57.759 --> 00:01:00.240 I' m saying it. This really gave me red wall lessons at 17 00:01:00.359 --> 00:01:07.000 college. Oh, good I swear to you, yes, and I' 18 00:01:07.040 --> 00:01:11.000 m really glad you' re finally here with us, because you see how 19 00:01:11.040 --> 00:01:14.040 we wanted to schedule, but questions of time. One thing or another couldn 20 00:01:14.079 --> 00:01:15.439 ' t be done, but we' ve missed it. Last season we 21 00:01:15.519 --> 00:01:19.920 missed it. But look, you' re already peeing exactly twenty- four 22 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:22.640 no, and the good thing is you don' t stop. Then there 23 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:26.000 ' s always a season to come exactly. We never stop here. You 24 00:01:26.079 --> 00:01:27.719 know it' s not gonna be the last time you' re gonna be 25 00:01:27.760 --> 00:01:32.040 here telling me what you' re doing or architecture is okay. But I 26 00:01:32.159 --> 00:01:38.040 want to know first who Elizabeth Gómez Karen is Who I am, well, 27 00:01:40.480 --> 00:01:47.000 because I am a married woman today who loves animals, especially pets, cat 28 00:01:47.000 --> 00:01:55.480 dogs. I didn' t study architecture. I always had like this anxiety, 29 00:01:55.719 --> 00:01:59.159 that is, since high school, to study something that had to do 30 00:01:59.159 --> 00:02:04.239 with the creative side, but I did go through different stages where I wanted 31 00:02:04.280 --> 00:02:07.840 to be a graphic designer. Then I had a group of friends, industrial 32 00:02:08.800 --> 00:02:15.199 designers that made me very much draw attention and well, I finally ended up 33 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:22.039 in architecture in some way, thinking that it was also a larger scale and 34 00:02:22.360 --> 00:02:29.800 I could embrace as other areas of design, which is a semi- wrong 35 00:02:29.919 --> 00:02:34.439 thought, not at all, but yes, each of the creative fields has 36 00:02:34.479 --> 00:02:39.520 its own scale and its own difficulties. Not then, but well, that 37 00:02:39.560 --> 00:02:44.879 was like my thought. I found a university where there was architecture and I 38 00:02:44.919 --> 00:02:49.120 fell in love with the place, I mean, I said here what there 39 00:02:49.120 --> 00:02:51.919 is and there were the three races that I wanted. So, then, 40 00:02:52.120 --> 00:03:00.560 I ended up in architecture. Today I spent much of my time in that, 41 00:03:00.800 --> 00:03:04.919 in my office, in my work. I really like music, I 42 00:03:06.879 --> 00:03:12.039 really like photography. Then they' re like my hobbies. I like to 43 00:03:12.039 --> 00:03:15.400 read, I don' t read as much as I ever read, but 44 00:03:15.439 --> 00:03:17.199 well, it' s just like I always do. It' s on 45 00:03:17.319 --> 00:03:23.159 my end- of- year and start- of- year list of my 46 00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:28.199 purposes and I have there a good stack of books that I hope to finish 47 00:03:28.479 --> 00:03:30.240 this we are already two, you have to finish this year. No, 48 00:03:30.199 --> 00:03:35.080 and I like the novel as much as a bit of history. Then we 49 00:03:35.120 --> 00:03:38.199 have to pass. I wanted to combine, because then with the laziness, 50 00:03:38.319 --> 00:03:42.919 because one stays with the novels, because then they are faster than digesting no 51 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:46.159 yes, exact, yes, passes yes, and I also very much like 52 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:50.719 the series and the movies. I mean, the stupid box, like I 53 00:03:50.800 --> 00:03:53.000 used to tell my Chiquita mom when I was Chiquita, tell me what you 54 00:03:53.000 --> 00:04:00.000 want to see the idiot box for, if you knew, no, but 55 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:01.919 then yes. I' m also very entertained by the truth. Yeah, 56 00:04:01.960 --> 00:04:04.759 he' s a pain in the ass. Good, because we have many 57 00:04:04.800 --> 00:04:10.360 very similar concerns. What you can share. Hey it' s very good 58 00:04:10.400 --> 00:04:14.639 And it' s good that you went well towards architecture and how was that 59 00:04:14.680 --> 00:04:15.360 foray into architecture. It was like that, it was hard. You were 60 00:04:15.399 --> 00:04:21.160 able to adapt at the university. It wasn' t easy enough. I 61 00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:29.759 liked this part from the beginning as a complex part of devoting time to drawing 62 00:04:29.839 --> 00:04:33.920 the plans. Not because I had many semesters to make my plans by hand, 63 00:04:34.079 --> 00:04:40.800 to make models. I liked it, I like it, I still 64 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:45.160 like it. I mean, I' m kind of manual. So that 65 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:46.959 part didn' t cost me work too. On the other hand, people 66 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:51.720 said it' s not that mathematics, because it' s not engineering. 67 00:04:53.639 --> 00:04:57.480 I mean, I think they had more complicated mathematics in statistics that went to 68 00:04:57.480 --> 00:05:02.399 communications completely us in structures. Yeah, yeah, why isn' t it 69 00:05:02.439 --> 00:05:06.120 so complicated. I mean from logic and from learning formulas, from physics, 70 00:05:06.279 --> 00:05:12.920 but it' s by Book. It' s not that hard for me 71 00:05:13.040 --> 00:05:16.839 and we didn' t go that far in the race, because it wasn 72 00:05:16.879 --> 00:05:20.360 ' t engineering and architecture, just architecture. So the key I liked well 73 00:05:20.560 --> 00:05:29.360 were small groups. I entered New World University and was fortunate enough to have 74 00:05:29.399 --> 00:05:36.519 great teachers where they gave us as a lot of creative freedom, where conceptual 75 00:05:36.759 --> 00:05:42.079 deliveries could be designed where we wanted. They didn' t have to be 76 00:05:42.079 --> 00:05:45.959 in the classroom, they didn' t have to be on a drawn plane. 77 00:05:46.480 --> 00:05:50.360 Then they were tours like for the little mountain of the school to go 78 00:05:50.360 --> 00:05:55.160 to see the delivery of one and then to the basement of I don' 79 00:05:55.160 --> 00:05:59.160 t know what to see the delivery of another and another who had arranged a 80 00:05:59.199 --> 00:06:00.639 living room of something that had been asked of him and there mounted his delivery. 81 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:08.800 So I feel like that part was like a very filling part and when 82 00:06:08.879 --> 00:06:13.360 you go out into real life, it' s you going to land and 83 00:06:13.399 --> 00:06:16.279 you' re going to leave, take it down the flow, day- 84 00:06:16.959 --> 00:06:21.519 to- day, in the rush, in the deadlines, not and you 85 00:06:21.519 --> 00:06:27.519 get a little bit away from this more creative part than when you' re 86 00:06:27.519 --> 00:06:28.560 in college between age and time and you have less responsibilities, less worries. 87 00:06:29.560 --> 00:06:34.639 This one you can kind of encourage. Then I liked that a lot and 88 00:06:34.680 --> 00:06:43.519 enjoyed it. I enjoyed it, I even went to other races. I 89 00:06:43.600 --> 00:06:46.680 was going to take art history with ale who gave it in communications. Which 90 00:06:46.759 --> 00:06:53.879 li I also wore art history, but I was having a different approach ok 91 00:06:53.920 --> 00:06:57.800 and alee Rodriguez. He was good, he' s still alive, but 92 00:06:57.800 --> 00:07:00.000 I don' t know if he' s still teaching. It was a 93 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:04.040 thing where all the emotions, I mean, you could cry while I was 94 00:07:04.160 --> 00:07:08.959 explaining a piece to you and it was a projected transparency. No wow, 95 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:13.399 then I had that chance. No, I mean, as you know, 96 00:07:13.879 --> 00:07:15.879 getting into other people' s classes or they weren' t yours. Nobody 97 00:07:15.959 --> 00:07:23.720 told you anything. It was a little bit more Montesory. This one was 98 00:07:23.800 --> 00:07:29.399 like the society of dead poets, region four, but focused more on philosophy. 99 00:07:30.439 --> 00:07:34.480 Then, every Wednesday, in the library of the University of Rectory there 100 00:07:34.839 --> 00:07:41.600 was volter coffee, that' s what it was called, and the rector 101 00:07:41.600 --> 00:07:46.040 was a great philosopher. Two of his sons were also very philosophers. So 102 00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:50.639 this was the professor of semiology, philosophy, communications, this one I' 103 00:07:50.680 --> 00:07:56.240 m telling you about art history. They knew they were your teachers very nailed 104 00:07:56.279 --> 00:08:00.680 and they went up to the library and it was like a theme on the 105 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:05.040 table and we lived many students that we had to see in the position of 106 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:09.199 blowing up a class or building shit. They almost reproved me. But clearly 107 00:08:09.319 --> 00:08:16.920 the subject of philosophizing at the university was more fun. But, well, 108 00:08:16.079 --> 00:08:18.439 that opened your mind a lot, so I spread out. But yes, 109 00:08:18.480 --> 00:08:24.480 they were very, very, very creative times, as I enjoyed it very 110 00:08:24.519 --> 00:08:31.879 much and I like it. I didn' t work in college and when 111 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:37.600 I left I did feel that was a disadvantage, but at the same time 112 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:39.559 I enjoyed it very much. I mean, it' s like everything in 113 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:43.440 life. You can' t have everything at once, yes, then you 114 00:08:43.720 --> 00:08:48.600 better have what you have and what you' re doing, because you do 115 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:50.159 it at 100 the way it comes to you and the way you organize it. 116 00:08:52.799 --> 00:08:58.000 And so, well, then everything will have its time, of course, 117 00:08:58.360 --> 00:09:01.559 yes, of course, and it arrives, because it arrives. And 118 00:09:01.559 --> 00:09:05.279 after that very nice stage just happened, how you faced now, yes, 119 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:11.759 at the professional level where you started, how battled it was to adapt to 120 00:09:11.799 --> 00:09:18.519 the world of work already, well, let' s say it' s 121 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:24.159 not that it' s been difficult for me, just if you go out 122 00:09:24.159 --> 00:09:26.720 like with a very different cloud in your head, like real life. Sure, 123 00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:31.720 yeah, it' s basically nothing else. So, that' s 124 00:09:31.720 --> 00:09:39.799 where we were recruited for a Mexican transnational company to many new graduates from different 125 00:09:39.799 --> 00:09:43.279 universities and we went to give there. I was there for about a year, 126 00:09:43.559 --> 00:09:46.279 but it was actually a new company in which our functions were not well 127 00:09:46.279 --> 00:09:52.200 defined. It' s very focused on building materials and so I learned, 128 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:58.480 so let' s just say that there I was enrolled in social security, 129 00:09:58.639 --> 00:10:03.320 this opened my bank account, that is, it served me to structure in 130 00:10:03.320 --> 00:10:05.120 some way. But, well, it wasn' t what I wanted or 131 00:10:05.200 --> 00:10:11.679 what we all wanted that we were kidnapped for that job. And this one 132 00:10:11.799 --> 00:10:16.440 and you know people tell you, grown- ups tell you it' s 133 00:10:16.519 --> 00:10:20.360 a good opportunity, because right now. It' s difficult, it' 134 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:24.080 s always difficult, the situation is always difficult. It' s never there, 135 00:10:24.279 --> 00:10:28.759 or whatever you see, they always tell you. It' s hard 136 00:10:28.879 --> 00:10:33.759 to get a job then take it and kind of feel like you' re 137 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:35.759 starting to feel like a nimo, not really, yeah, of course not 138 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:39.080 to take your job. And it was a nice experience I tell you, 139 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:45.159 I mean, it was a job raid, as very official, not with 140 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:50.600 all the hard and necessary paperwork, I made great friends because we were more 141 00:10:50.600 --> 00:10:54.639 or less the same profile all of us, but we were out of the 142 00:10:54.639 --> 00:10:58.240 profile that the company was looking for, the truth and we left And well, 143 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:05.480 many of us keep taking to date because we' re in the middle, 144 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:05.080 because we' re architects and with that little school, like it wasn 145 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:11.440 ' t bad. That' s where I went into a real estate company. 146 00:11:11.600 --> 00:11:16.200 Then with the representation and marketing for the whole country, different brands, 147 00:11:16.879 --> 00:11:24.159 both European and some New Zealand Canadian from the United States, but they were 148 00:11:24.279 --> 00:11:31.919 all brands for both contract and triplea. Very much I am speaking that the 149 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:37.600 design in this country was not very valued, appreciated or understood. I mean, 150 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:41.720 I feel like it has touched me like all that evolution and it was 151 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:50.759 difficult, because both to sell it and to specify an entry furniture piece with 152 00:11:50.840 --> 00:11:54.600 that design as much more avant- garde than we had in Mexico, of 153 00:11:54.600 --> 00:12:01.080 very solid pieces in wood, nothing to do with metal pieces or in alumnino 154 00:12:01.360 --> 00:12:07.480 or colored crystals, that is to say as a design, because very avant 155 00:12:07.759 --> 00:12:11.679 - garde for that time in Mexico and perhaps Central America and part of America, 156 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:16.519 South America. I do not know then how to see this evolution as 157 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:22.440 well as the design in Mexico, not so much of the appreciation of these 158 00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:28.679 brands that are already very long established in Europe, especially in Italy, as 159 00:12:28.759 --> 00:12:33.960 of all national industrial designers. And it was a good opportunity to approach me 160 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:41.480 on this scale of industrial design that I no longer studied. It allowed me 161 00:12:41.879 --> 00:12:46.240 to visit the Milan Fair on multiple occasions of work, but understand how everything 162 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:52.720 that happens around interior design, which is marked mainly by furniture and all the 163 00:12:52.840 --> 00:12:58.720 other elements, And then I understood how this relationship between architecture, that is, 164 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:05.480 the form, the container and the content that is interiorism. And I 165 00:13:05.480 --> 00:13:11.960 think it was a very good journey. I developed a lot on the commercial 166 00:13:11.960 --> 00:13:18.159 issue, because we developed interior design projects, but they were more to sell 167 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:22.559 our brands. I didn' t know much more people than I knew from 168 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:28.840 the media, because I also looked a lot to specify on the subject of 169 00:13:28.840 --> 00:13:31.960 contract furniture. Then I met all the offices. So I was kind of 170 00:13:33.039 --> 00:13:35.720 in touch as with my area, but I was on the other side. 171 00:13:35.039 --> 00:13:39.200 I think that and I never took my little worm out of really yes, 172 00:13:39.519 --> 00:13:43.960 design no in other words, be an architect and also be an interiorist. 173 00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:50.799 Then, when my path ended, there I partnered with two friends who at 174 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:56.600 that time were also like seeing what to do, that is to say how 175 00:13:56.679 --> 00:14:01.559 to become independent, and so you know them Jorge Germán, they become known 176 00:14:01.639 --> 00:14:05.960 to me yes, and we put up an office that was red Moorish, 177 00:14:05.360 --> 00:14:09.639 what you talked about that you saw in your classes and we had the truth. 178 00:14:09.799 --> 00:14:16.240 It was a conjunction like three very different talents that we added a lot 179 00:14:16.279 --> 00:14:24.919 that was very funny and it was very productive for the projects. We were 180 00:14:26.039 --> 00:14:33.360 fortunate enough to develop large, interesting projects where we were given as no broad 181 00:14:33.399 --> 00:14:37.679 letter in budget, perhaps, but yes in design in the creative part, 182 00:14:37.720 --> 00:14:43.679 as they trusted our work. Then we spent many years with that office together 183 00:14:43.759 --> 00:14:46.759 until the time came, because I don' t know how everyone starts to 184 00:14:46.879 --> 00:14:52.759 take a little, their course, their way. No And from there, 185 00:14:52.000 --> 00:15:00.440 we become independent. And this was it. I think two thousand sixteen is 186 00:15:00.519 --> 00:15:03.519 running out of time. Karen Hey, yes, but very fast and already 187 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:07.360 then, well, since everyone already put it as if, that is, 188 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:09.679 their own office, no means, everyone left with their professional life project. 189 00:15:13.720 --> 00:15:20.480 And that' s how I started this architecture wave project more interiorism. And 190 00:15:20.360 --> 00:15:26.120 I don' t know why I left your question and your comment anymore. 191 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:31.000 But more as well you solved like three hey. But he' s a 192 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:33.840 pain in the ass. What a father that, then, all that preparation, 193 00:15:33.080 --> 00:15:37.679 that you had, that experience, that you had working for other companies 194 00:15:37.720 --> 00:15:41.639 already after forming your own and then forming your own, you me, that 195 00:15:41.639 --> 00:15:45.159 is, we' re unraveling it. Very father, but now you' 196 00:15:45.240 --> 00:15:50.000 ve faced making your own office on your own. How you felt, how 197 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:54.919 it was to take that step, because the truth at the time for me 198 00:15:54.960 --> 00:16:00.600 was very obvious and very frank, that is, I knew perfectly how to 199 00:16:02.360 --> 00:16:06.480 handle office as to carry means, that is, the contact with media was 200 00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:11.639 carried by me. The contact with the educational issue is also with me then, 201 00:16:14.360 --> 00:16:17.039 as it became very easy for me, that is, really to think 202 00:16:17.120 --> 00:16:21.799 about it, because, I had no doubt and I did. But I 203 00:16:21.879 --> 00:16:27.000 ' m going to tell you if I missed how this tet a tet in 204 00:16:27.080 --> 00:16:30.720 the creative proposals part or not, because you start forming a team. And 205 00:16:30.759 --> 00:16:37.120 because in my case it has always attracted me a lot of attention as this 206 00:16:37.120 --> 00:16:41.960 part, as mentoring, teaching, that is, not on purpose, but 207 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:45.720 I alone fall into this all the practitioners who have passed through me in the 208 00:16:45.720 --> 00:16:52.639 different offices. I feel like they learn a lot. Some stay but stay 209 00:16:52.679 --> 00:16:59.279 to go and grow. I am now great friends and many friends and they 210 00:16:59.320 --> 00:17:02.080 are not even in Mexico, they are in London, others are in Spain. 211 00:17:02.240 --> 00:17:07.799 What and have as well as advanced much. Not then I like that. 212 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:14.400 Then I started to form a team, because as young promises, talents, 213 00:17:12.799 --> 00:17:18.680 not almost recently graduated, with little experience, and so it has been 214 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:22.799 a great team and well, it has changed and I thank everyone very much. 215 00:17:25.079 --> 00:17:30.880 But no one was arguing with me, because ideas or proposals. Of 216 00:17:30.079 --> 00:17:33.119 course the decision that, that is, no one felt clear, no one 217 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:37.200 confronted me, no one, I mean, I don' t know, 218 00:17:37.799 --> 00:17:41.920 because it' s part of it can be a little that they had little 219 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:44.640 experience, such but it' s also the topic as good, because the 220 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:48.039 Chief? Not whatever the Chief says, because she' s in charge here 221 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:53.480 or I don' t know, and that weighed me. He started to 222 00:17:53.480 --> 00:18:00.599 understand that I had to make the decisions myself, the creative decisions. Wow. 223 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:03.599 That was a big step, yeah, a big step, and but 224 00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:07.000 you went adapting. Sure, yeah, but it did cost me, which 225 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:11.720 is like I had a hard time understanding it, you know, it' 226 00:18:11.799 --> 00:18:18.160 s like first something' s like this exact dynamic, yeah, sure and 227 00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:21.640 apart, because that' s when you visualize it' s that, yeah, 228 00:18:21.640 --> 00:18:22.559 I' m the only one that' s there. But, then, 229 00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:25.039 clear among all, no yes. And well, little by little, 230 00:18:25.119 --> 00:18:27.599 well there will be people who stayed in the studio, who were growing up 231 00:18:27.640 --> 00:18:33.160 because they already had much more creative freedom, both from me and from them. 232 00:18:33.359 --> 00:18:38.200 At the same time, because you felt more authority to propose and say 233 00:18:38.240 --> 00:18:41.000 something and everything did not. But yes, at first it was complicated, 234 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:49.279 I imagine it was like changing my frame of mind completely yes and realizing that, 235 00:18:49.599 --> 00:18:55.680 because all those decisions, but it falls live on you not aha and 236 00:18:55.880 --> 00:18:57.839 where the face is and that you are everything yes and not that it is 237 00:18:57.880 --> 00:19:00.319 wrong, no, because it is not a decision in which a person will 238 00:19:00.319 --> 00:19:04.319 die or fall into a house. Yeah, but, well, sometimes you 239 00:19:04.359 --> 00:19:07.559 say Chin maybe I could do better, maybe, I mean, I could 240 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:10.680 have done different, I could have done it in a hundred different ways. 241 00:19:10.799 --> 00:19:14.680 Sure and how I know this is the best. She' s the best 242 00:19:14.720 --> 00:19:18.039 and the one I' m going to keep wanting in six months or a 243 00:19:18.079 --> 00:19:19.759 year, when they' re going to execute her. Me. I explain. 244 00:19:21.039 --> 00:19:23.599 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I believe you then that part was for 245 00:19:23.599 --> 00:19:27.440 me, it was like a big challenge that served me like I did. 246 00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:33.599 I think I end up as my creative maturation process. And so good, 247 00:19:34.400 --> 00:19:37.240 but it' s following very well. Yeah, yeah, so life' 248 00:19:37.519 --> 00:19:41.039 s great. And now he' s making an architecture right now. We 249 00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:51.720 ' re working on some very different residential projects. We have one as more 250 00:19:51.720 --> 00:19:56.039 conventional, where the user is more generic. And it' s fun, 251 00:19:56.640 --> 00:20:03.599 because we never do projects so generic that somehow, that' s, like 252 00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:07.880 with an unestablished user. So, I kind of tell you that it' 253 00:20:07.960 --> 00:20:14.440 s like thinking about a department shows, but with soul ok and cool not 254 00:20:14.480 --> 00:20:19.880 like the departments show are a great example of interiorism. But they lack soul, 255 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:23.880 because it is obvious, it is a department and shows there is no 256 00:20:23.880 --> 00:20:30.480 user. No, then how to find this combo of something that can be 257 00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:36.240 adapted to more or less any user in matter of taste, style, not 258 00:20:36.599 --> 00:20:41.599 clear and but that does have soul, that has something, that has an 259 00:20:41.720 --> 00:20:45.440 intention, that is, that it does have a clear concept. Yeah, 260 00:20:45.519 --> 00:20:49.079 that one' s funny. That' s why this one. On the 261 00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:53.039 other hand, there is an office project that is very fatherly, because it 262 00:20:53.680 --> 00:21:03.839 is not the typical corporate project and also gave me a game like mangancha for 263 00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:07.839 the creative proposal. Ah believe then this, those customers are worth gold. 264 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:14.519 Yeah, the truth is, yes, and then we' re conjugating as 265 00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:22.680 a corporate yes part. You' ve got us both administrative offices and creative 266 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:27.480 offices as well as museums and so on, and then another part more as 267 00:21:27.480 --> 00:21:34.240 commercial, a show a little show manismo, and then a part already more 268 00:21:34.279 --> 00:21:37.720 as a workshop is very interesting. Yeah, we' re finishing it, 269 00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:42.480 and I think the play will start in about three four months. Even then 270 00:21:42.680 --> 00:21:47.640 it' s okay, so let' s see if by the twenty- 271 00:21:47.759 --> 00:21:51.799 five and that is, we can photograph it, because it' s always 272 00:21:51.799 --> 00:21:53.319 like the ultimate end. You know how to get your bok out of the 273 00:21:53.319 --> 00:21:56.440 project. Yes, yes, yes, but it' s very interesting. 274 00:21:56.640 --> 00:21:59.960 I' m not really an expert on corporate projects, and your good has 275 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:03.400 been like a cooperative or massive project and the Book in a tower. You 276 00:22:03.480 --> 00:22:08.559 don' t know I mean, I think I would have kind of joined 277 00:22:08.599 --> 00:22:15.759 up with some office of my colleagues friends, sure to do a collaboration, 278 00:22:17.400 --> 00:22:19.960 for her to support the collaboration. Yes, but as it is very different 279 00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:23.440 and I was given as a chance to also make my offices non- offices. 280 00:22:25.720 --> 00:22:29.480 This one makes me look like a father. Yes, certainly something and 281 00:22:29.559 --> 00:22:33.559 as quite different, sounds very good then, as that was the intention and 282 00:22:33.599 --> 00:22:37.759 right now. We' re working a lot on that one and the other 283 00:22:37.759 --> 00:22:42.359 residential ones, well, they' re nice. These are the most complicated 284 00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:48.079 projects. I mean, in the end, I get a lot of how 285 00:22:48.119 --> 00:22:53.640 you say this one, which is how it' s a great reward when 286 00:22:53.640 --> 00:22:59.720 you finish these projects. But the process is long, it' s long, 287 00:23:00.720 --> 00:23:07.079 the residential client with him you work like six times more in detail than 288 00:23:07.160 --> 00:23:11.640 any other project. You' ve got a lot more changes than business projects. 289 00:23:11.599 --> 00:23:17.599 This is very, very weary, it becomes very backward. Yes, 290 00:23:17.680 --> 00:23:22.839 it is, then this I say that they are like miguiltiplasher, because in 291 00:23:22.880 --> 00:23:27.279 the end they are very comforting and I have had, well, very nice 292 00:23:27.720 --> 00:23:33.440 experiences and many of my clients are my friends or they have already been clients, 293 00:23:33.640 --> 00:23:36.920 that is, repetitive or clients in which, that is, I make 294 00:23:36.920 --> 00:23:38.640 someone and then their brother, but then the mom, but then the cousin, 295 00:23:40.839 --> 00:23:44.559 but then the brother you know, that is, you already know the 296 00:23:44.559 --> 00:23:48.440 whole family. No yes, you, you understand then this because they are 297 00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:52.960 like very beautiful relationships, but the process is weary, well weary. Yeah, 298 00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:56.240 yeah, yeah, you understand the truth then this, well that' 299 00:23:56.319 --> 00:24:00.640 s what it is. No yes, the truth yes, and what father, 300 00:24:00.680 --> 00:24:03.359 what good? I am very pleased that they are very active in an 301 00:24:03.440 --> 00:24:08.400 architecture that pays, because yes and merely that is, you have focused on 302 00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:14.599 interior design. These are not as much architectural as demos as interior. He 303 00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:17.279 ' s a more complete father, yes, Father, I' m so 304 00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:22.599 good. I' m very pleased. Listen to what your ideal project would 305 00:24:22.720 --> 00:24:26.200 be that you would like me to come to your office that you would say 306 00:24:26.279 --> 00:24:33.880 this would be the project of my dreams. I' ve always thought there 307 00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:38.799 ' s nothing else. One really looks at me like not- so- 308 00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:42.720 big scales. Okay, even if I didn' t, I mean, 309 00:24:42.839 --> 00:24:47.400 I wouldn' t refuse to do a project like that on a scale, 310 00:24:47.400 --> 00:24:52.279 that is, a skyscraper. You know, but I really like going into 311 00:24:52.359 --> 00:24:56.640 detail and the smaller scale. So, okay, I mean, I' 312 00:24:56.640 --> 00:24:59.960 d like to, well, in this case, be skyscrapers to do everything 313 00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:04.680 inside and they' re like a million projects within this. But well, 314 00:25:06.079 --> 00:25:10.880 a project at the best cultural, that is, it already sounds to the 315 00:25:10.960 --> 00:25:15.279 cliché. But a museum, some kind of museum that I have to get 316 00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:19.559 involved with an incredible team, that is, with different technologies where you can 317 00:25:19.599 --> 00:25:26.799 exploit the concept and that gives you a lot of visibility and you see how 318 00:25:26.920 --> 00:25:33.160 they live, even if they are inhabitants, itinerant, everyone who visits the 319 00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:37.839 space, that is, that it is open to the public you know and 320 00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:44.160 that it works. So I' d really like that and on a smaller 321 00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:48.400 scale, not necessarily, I have like two projects in mind that I' 322 00:25:48.400 --> 00:25:53.480 ve always had. One is a set, a retirement complex, that is 323 00:25:53.480 --> 00:26:02.200 to say, for old seniors, as for me in a few years there 324 00:26:02.200 --> 00:26:06.920 is caba. Please, that' s what I would also like very much 325 00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:11.160 like to try to solve so many things and see how if all those ideas, 326 00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:15.119 how they can be carried out and then how they can also be maintained 327 00:26:15.160 --> 00:26:21.640 in reality and in the use of space and as more, an administrative issue 328 00:26:21.640 --> 00:26:30.359 that is not autopic, and also in developing as some kind of project as 329 00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:33.039 for shelter, for dogs. Oh, that' s nice. Yes, 330 00:26:33.079 --> 00:26:36.440 because there are very few, I feel, the problem is in the country 331 00:26:36.480 --> 00:26:41.480 there are very few, because yes, I feel that it is of entry, 332 00:26:41.079 --> 00:26:47.039 because it is a necessity, or it is totally basic, although no 333 00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:49.839 one contemplates. But also most of the shelters, because they live on donations 334 00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:56.519 then they are always short of money in places where the land is cheaper, 335 00:26:56.880 --> 00:27:00.759 because to have more space, not by giving more insecure, there are no 336 00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:07.559 services, etcetera, etcetera. It costs them a lot of work, because 337 00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:11.519 adapting there is room for so many animals. Then I feel that it is 338 00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:21.920 a great challenge because finding solutions to operate a shelter at no high cost and 339 00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:27.000 where resources can be optimized and where also the animals and carers and administrators of 340 00:27:27.079 --> 00:27:32.599 the shelter, as they can have easier day- to- day maintenance. 341 00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:37.599 It seems to me to be a very important challenge. If it is, 342 00:27:37.240 --> 00:27:44.079 then this one right now. I' m trying to come up with a 343 00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:48.759 design, like shelter houses, for dogs, especially, and I' m 344 00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:53.200 just starting then. I want to make a collaboration with a friend of life 345 00:27:53.319 --> 00:28:02.000 who has a product he was recycling plastic with, you know, and so 346 00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:06.400 on. So, like seeing the way to do something and maybe something father 347 00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:08.279 and good comes out, because it' s not going to be a shelter 348 00:28:08.359 --> 00:28:12.799 project, but it' s to be able to have something in cost, 349 00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:19.839 so that the shelters can enable houses for ten to twenty dogs, each house 350 00:28:19.960 --> 00:28:25.680 where they have relatively simple maintenance, but they are protected from the weather. 351 00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:30.160 And it' s not that easy, it' s not easy, but 352 00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:33.880 it' s achieved, but it' s not impossible. And the joke 353 00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:37.599 of all this, because it is to optimize resources so that it is also 354 00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:42.799 the least expensive possible that they are easy to move easily armed. This is 355 00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:48.920 like there are several very well sounds, very well sounds very very father. 356 00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:55.359 Those projects, especially, that you' re thinking about solving problems. You 357 00:28:55.559 --> 00:28:59.960 know, yeah, you' re not going to totally solve it, but 358 00:28:59.960 --> 00:29:02.200 you' re helping solve a problem. It is not this father, yes, 359 00:29:02.519 --> 00:29:04.400 because it is not only that you see the man of or architecture. 360 00:29:04.519 --> 00:29:10.160 It' s not giving a solution to something you' re seeing you want. 361 00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:12.400 Not that is father, yes, and well the truth, if you 362 00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:18.839 think about it, just as industrial designers solve, that' s basically the 363 00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:22.559 ultimate end. Not the architects, I think we also live by solving it, 364 00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:26.680 and the interior designers, because also yes. Of course, I say 365 00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:32.880 of course, there will be those who give priority to aesthetics, but that 366 00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:36.559 is the ultimate end is the function and that the spaces work and if you 367 00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:41.079 design a bookcase, if you design a closet, it is based on the 368 00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:45.880 use that will be given to solve the user' s life clearly, of 369 00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:48.240 course, with an aesthetic reach. Obviously, because that' s already my 370 00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:52.480 interest or it' s final aha exact. But the main interest is not 371 00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:56.880 that they have ease to open the drawer, to find their medicines, to 372 00:29:56.920 --> 00:30:02.480 find their samples or to find their catalogues or good, depending on the use 373 00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:04.240 of each of the gold elements, does not solve their exact day to day. 374 00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:08.039 Yes, this father, very well hears and if what your design process 375 00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:12.119 is like when a new project comes to you since it starts and how you 376 00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:19.160 are developing it as it is, because look almost always you have already as 377 00:30:19.400 --> 00:30:22.680 ideas, not that, since the client or the prospect is talking to you 378 00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:26.599 and you are seeing it or you are seeing the terrain, or you are 379 00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:32.039 seeing the context or the space or the use Or I know you don' 380 00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:37.880 t start to marry some ideas, which is the same as we always prejudge 381 00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:41.079 people or the moment you see someone, even if you don' t want 382 00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:44.039 to, you are already prejudging it by their appearance. No, I mean, 383 00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:48.079 you haven' t even talked to that person and you' ve already 384 00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:49.480 made an image of that, a first image of that person. Yeah, 385 00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:52.640 I' m sure you can change it, not that you' re marrying 386 00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:56.960 that. Then I feel like this happens a little bit with the projects that 387 00:30:57.000 --> 00:31:04.119 at the moment that you present yourself as this challenge, because you propose a 388 00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:07.759 first idea in automatic. Why, because you are already full of ideas in 389 00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:15.319 your head and of solutions and aesthetic aspects and of or I don' t 390 00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:18.839 know, or resources, of coatings, of materials that you already want to 391 00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:25.559 apply and that suddenly you see something face to this project. But in spite 392 00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:33.079 of that, we usually do as a kind of dismember How it is said 393 00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:40.240 of dismemberment, if it is well said to use dismember. This depends on 394 00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:45.000 the use, depending on the type of project it is, as it will 395 00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:48.079 be shredded in one way or another not. And from there we generate a 396 00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:52.920 concept, a concept that we base on four main points or pillars to the 397 00:31:53.000 --> 00:32:00.720 best that will support the project. And with this concept we always call ourselves 398 00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:06.559 with images and textures of inspiration that are not renders or can be photos, 399 00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:10.279 ours can be photos, that is from a photo bank, from projects of 400 00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:20.880 other architects, not as things of inspiration such as. Ah ok, not 401 00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:24.920 like a moootbor, a kind of moopor, but conceptual. Okay, yet 402 00:32:25.240 --> 00:32:29.000 he doesn' t even talk to you about styles. Yeah, he talks 403 00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:34.359 about textures, but you don' t, but you' re not mentioning 404 00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:38.079 them well and sensations and it' s like this story. Not that it 405 00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:44.119 ' s like a narrative for the project. So the concept to me becomes 406 00:32:44.119 --> 00:32:49.680 very important and it' s hard to capture and land, because it' 407 00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:52.640 s conceptual and because you' re at that stage. I mean, you 408 00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:55.759 don' t want to take the next step, because you don' t 409 00:32:55.839 --> 00:33:00.599 want to confuse the client or confuse you, yes, yes, yes, 410 00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:00.599 until you land your concept well, yes, yes, yes. So for 411 00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:07.039 me it' s an important phase and it' s where you end up 412 00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:09.039 in love with the client and wrap it around him and sell him the concept. 413 00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:15.160 Not then those that already have it within this concept can already begin to 414 00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:19.960 propose textures, materials, to work them, not that it is already all 415 00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:28.440 the same work of architect to exactly ordered. But without you or the customer 416 00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:36.559 getting out like the wacal you know about aesthetics, because there are so many 417 00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:44.680 new things every day, so many proposals, so many forms. Not that 418 00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:51.799 you change your mind. I mean, I' m in constant contact with 419 00:33:51.920 --> 00:33:55.279 everything that happens, not and you' re seeing ideas, because all the 420 00:33:55.359 --> 00:33:58.720 time you want to see ideas. For me it' s always said that 421 00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:00.319 it' s like the I candy, I mean, it' s sweet 422 00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:02.480 to my eyes. So I live in the I candy all the time and 423 00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:07.719 it' s so much information and then you see things so amazing that you 424 00:34:07.719 --> 00:34:12.480 already want them, I mean, you need a victim to put that to 425 00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:14.360 put that furniture in or it' s to the luminaire or that kind of 426 00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:16.360 light. You already want it somewhere, no yes, yes, you want 427 00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:20.639 to get it right, but it doesn' t always go with the concept 428 00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:23.119 of the project. Then it serves me as a guide and the customer also 429 00:34:23.199 --> 00:34:25.320 because the client, because I don' t know he goes on vacation, 430 00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:29.199 goes to a friend' s house or goes to a hotel and then comes 431 00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:34.119 with ideas that are not bad. They just might not go with the concept 432 00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:37.719 of the projects and then not because it' s a good idea, you 433 00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:43.559 ' re going to force her into the tower to give her the character of 434 00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:46.800 what you' re designing. No, then that also serves me a lot 435 00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:51.480 for the client to understand that it is not a whim of mine, but 436 00:34:51.639 --> 00:34:57.679 that it would be a whim to introduce that element or that space that he 437 00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:04.000 saw elsewhere, because he saw it in Valle de Bravo and we are designing 438 00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:05.920 something in a penthouse of the forty floor in the city. Not sure, 439 00:35:06.039 --> 00:35:09.840 yes, they are two very different contexts, two environments, two sensations and 440 00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:14.400 two concepts. Yes, making him understand that there must be a way, 441 00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:22.280 there are like places for them to cement their ideas exactly. Then we always 442 00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:24.719 do that. And from there, then, I tell you we go with 443 00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:31.079 the palette of textures usually once you already have as much more contact and good 444 00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:37.360 of this experience, also like that already the feeling of the texture to the 445 00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:43.440 material comes up faster because you know more materials. Of course, but also 446 00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:45.960 the reality is that you never finish knowing the materials that are there. Every 447 00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:51.840 day. There are a thousand things, new proposals for coatings of materials, 448 00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:57.440 of uses, not to say, every day, solutions even much simpler than 449 00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:01.119 those with which we work five or six ten years ago. No, then 450 00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:07.119 that leads us to a constant search for materials, not that. I don 451 00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:10.199 ' t have a material palette they work with, or okay, but it 452 00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:14.639 ' s changing. Yes, it goes according to the project, the client 453 00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:19.000 and the concept. So it' s not like here are these ten sheets 454 00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:23.599 which we' re going to use of wood and these five marbles, because 455 00:36:23.639 --> 00:36:27.960 maybe I' m not looking for one that in my life I' ve 456 00:36:28.440 --> 00:36:30.159 seen clearly no, but that someone has to have it. So that' 457 00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:36.960 s when you start with all your sales contacts, because to scout or send 458 00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:38.320 hey. I' m looking for something like that. So, but you 459 00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:43.960 do have it or in this format you don' t and you don' 460 00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:47.880 t know what it is, you don' t know how to define it, 461 00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:50.280 but you know what texture you' re looking for to generate what feeling 462 00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:52.719 and what I use it for. Of course, then, that is very 463 00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:57.400 funny, it can be exhausting, but it leads us to a constant search 464 00:36:57.440 --> 00:37:00.920 for materials and coatings and solutions that have also helped us to be as much 465 00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:06.159 up to date, because in what is in the industry, yes, of 466 00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:10.920 course, it is updating exactly and already with that, because generally we present 467 00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:19.400 a physical moodport to the customer, because it is at the end, as 468 00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:24.679 my proof, that is where I sign everything for everything, the piece of 469 00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:29.480 paper, upholstery, the bit of cloth, the bit of resin, the 470 00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:32.599 veneer of wood, the marble one, the marble two, the ceramic one, 471 00:37:32.920 --> 00:37:37.800 two and three. Everything. So, and I like that I can 472 00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:43.800 both physically see the materials and that the foot sees them. And we support 473 00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:46.599 ourselves, obviously, from digital mootbots because you already know that samples are of 474 00:37:46.599 --> 00:37:52.199 all sizes formats, sweet colors. Not then, in the digital moodword you 475 00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:57.719 can already balance the application of materials, textures. And with that already is, 476 00:37:57.840 --> 00:38:05.000 well, here are clear father. Then that part is also very entertaining. 477 00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:10.000 And so, now, the rest is we can implement the projects or 478 00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:15.239 not. I have many customers who sometimes have builders and have as their own 479 00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:22.000 capabilities for execution. So, at that point nothing more. We do supervision 480 00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:28.000 and this quality control and so on, and we also come to execute many 481 00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:34.440 of our projects, do all the purchasing management, coordination of specialties. For 482 00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:38.119 now we usually deliver them, because already to change, that is, they 483 00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:44.639 arrive with their move, which are usually their suitcases and few things, that 484 00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:47.800 is, already ready to dwell. Yeah, I mean, we specify everything 485 00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:58.639 up to whites, bathroom accessories, all WOW is amazing, it' s 486 00:38:58.760 --> 00:39:01.400 an extremely complete job. Yeah, Wow' s amazing, he' s 487 00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:07.159 toasty, yeah, he' s cute, very cute, worky, yeah, 488 00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:08.000 a little bit, yeah. You don' t really hear that. 489 00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:13.360 But it' s really something you' re passionate about and it' s 490 00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:15.800 a plus because it does it all over the world. So you know clearly 491 00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:20.519 how there are different scopes totally and now it is, because until very n 492 00:39:20.719 --> 00:39:22.480 give you and as far as you want, yes, you almost made him 493 00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:25.519 dinner yourself, but it is very good. It' s very good your 494 00:39:25.599 --> 00:39:28.960 reach and it' s very high. There' s a father, yes, 495 00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:31.079 then I happen to be from the hotel in Chihuahua, they keep writing 496 00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:36.679 to me, they don' t change the administration and you pass me the 497 00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:39.400 contact of the charulitas, of tea ay you seem to know of the contact 498 00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:44.079 of the whites, of the beds, of the suites, but of the 499 00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:45.119 dubet of I don' t know what, but because all that we specify. 500 00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:50.199 Wow, what a father, but well, what, cute, what 501 00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:52.920 ' s so funny. Hey, what a father and who your five favorite 502 00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:57.199 architects are. Oh, I knew you were gonna ask me that. Who 503 00:39:57.280 --> 00:40:01.199 knows, because I' m very bad at lists and I' m very 504 00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:07.119 changing, but look at Mexican architects. I' m a big fan of 505 00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:12.239 the work of Kallage, Alberto Callachi. I have been in some of his 506 00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:16.880 projects, both commercial, obviously, as private, i e residential, and 507 00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:23.239 level of solution and detail and everything, and at the same time of frank 508 00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:29.800 elements as inside a space I love, i e, how he manages to 509 00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:31.719 dress it very architecturally, then it seems to me that he is a great 510 00:40:31.719 --> 00:40:37.119 architect. There' s an office in the United States called Abroco, which 511 00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:40.760 is four partners, three men of a woman, and I don' t 512 00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:45.599 remember their names. I don' t know them personally, but the work 513 00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:52.519 they do fascinates me and they do have like all this ability to do like 514 00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:57.960 all the branding, that is, they range from graphic design, marketing, 515 00:40:59.559 --> 00:41:04.920 the concept to all the elements, not just to the project as such. 516 00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:12.159 Above all, they do well interior design, and I like Jabobusherberg very much, 517 00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:17.000 I also like that they are architects, but above all they do interior 518 00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:27.480 design as well and I owe you two still, but what I can tell 519 00:41:27.519 --> 00:41:28.880 you is that they don' t come to mind right now. I know 520 00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:31.639 one that you' re following a lot in instagram right now or that you 521 00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:39.519 ' re pretty much in his magnifying glass. No, well, a lot 522 00:41:39.559 --> 00:41:45.639 of rockstars I really like their work. Well, I don' t mean 523 00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:49.760 spaches, yes, yes, very big ones, but maybe I' ll 524 00:41:49.800 --> 00:41:52.119 take those three years. Is that all right? All right? It' 525 00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:55.920 s like because and not and I understand this part of me very changing and 526 00:41:57.000 --> 00:41:59.320 I think it goes to all the Argidics. We are not the same architects 527 00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:01.360 all the time as the stages. And I' m going to interrupt you 528 00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:04.960 because yes, I have one that I really like, which is Lina Bobardi. 529 00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:07.639 All right, all right, I' m going on a date, 530 00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:09.719 Lina, all right, she' s very pretty. Yeah, but yeah. 531 00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:15.880 Then, well, you' re like discovering. Yeah, we don 532 00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:20.519 ' t always have different stages. Then let' s discover, let' 533 00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:22.639 s leave certain stages, starting others. Then our tastes change, yes, 534 00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:28.039 even our own architecture. No, it' s not the same Barragán of 535 00:42:28.039 --> 00:42:30.519 Guadalajara as here in Mexico City. Not then is father. I' m 536 00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:34.480 very pleased with it. Hey, how cute? It' s so nice 537 00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:36.000 of you to be here with us on my radio. Please, don' 538 00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:37.639 t be the last time. It' s the first time, but not 539 00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:39.320 the first last time and it won' t be the wit. Please, 540 00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:44.559 hey, what would you say to the new generations of architects that yes, 541 00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:49.639 like you, they' re jumping to have their own office or they' 542 00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:59.159 re thinking about it. What would you say to them? I' d 543 00:42:59.239 --> 00:43:01.840 tell them there' s no impossible. So no, I mean, I 544 00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:06.800 don' t know or queen, but you do have to have a little 545 00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:12.039 experience. So, if you make the straight jump to start your projects alone, 546 00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:15.679 you have to maybe, because you surround yourself like a team. I 547 00:43:15.679 --> 00:43:22.039 mean. I am referring to the subject as an indestructive execution that at the 548 00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:28.280 same time goes circularly back to the theme of design, because in order to 549 00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:30.880 design, you have to know how it is done to facilitate the design? 550 00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:35.519 You need to know how it will be executed, both at the level of 551 00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:39.079 interior design and at the level of architecture. So this one if you have 552 00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:45.840 a chance to work in an office before, a couple of offices, two 553 00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:46.679 or three offices, which I didn' t do, for example. But 554 00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:52.519 I think that' s like a great learning. Not because, apart from 555 00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:59.400 each study, each company has its modus operandi and you learn like many things, 556 00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:05.400 both administrative operatives, even if you' re a sketch artist, you 557 00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:07.599 know how it works. No, and that' s a great school. 558 00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:13.000 I mean, I think it would be the ideal now if you don' 559 00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:15.880 t want to or can' t or wasn' t given to you or 560 00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:16.360 then you finished the race and it' s already taking care of you. 561 00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:21.519 Your aunt a project because you don' t like to make it clear, 562 00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:28.159 but I would recommend that you support yourself as a construction team that is good 563 00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:31.840 or literal is a master of works or a good plumber that you can ask 564 00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:37.039 him how we solve this, because that' s how I learned in the 565 00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:42.800 work ok then came the master of works that, by the way, that 566 00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:50.280 teacher already retired, but he was very good, but he was very culling 567 00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:52.000 and with me more, because I think he saw me more chavita than he 568 00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:55.000 was and saw me woman. And, indeed, I had no experience in 569 00:44:55.079 --> 00:44:59.480 works. If I already had my office, but I had no work experience. 570 00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:04.440 And it' s not the same, and I learned a lot, 571 00:45:04.519 --> 00:45:07.079 that is, but from their doubts, and their doubts were so that I 572 00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:13.360 would answer wrong and do wrong, surely and say so the architect told me. 573 00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:16.320 Then I told him I never know I' ve ever done this. 574 00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:19.639 I don' t know or I' m not getting it. I mean, 575 00:45:19.719 --> 00:45:24.239 let' s go to the roof, because I don' t understand 576 00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:29.679 this no and very simple details of masonry, two not that you learn on 577 00:45:29.679 --> 00:45:32.960 site. Then yes, you learn about practice. And all this is going 578 00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:39.599 to be one of the important points, as it is to design well not 579 00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:45.360 and goes as in a circle of hand practice and execution. Then you have 580 00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:47.840 to learn each day, learn more, if you can learn it from someone 581 00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:54.519 you work with earlier. Better. There is an administrative issue that is important. 582 00:45:55.639 --> 00:45:59.960 Then don' t throw it in a broken sack I say that basic 583 00:45:59.960 --> 00:46:04.199 administration. I think anyone with a certain mental order, because they can do 584 00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:08.360 it in a basic way when it' s starting out, but they are 585 00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:13.199 very rigorous, both with their expenses, that is, with their income, 586 00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:19.639 their discharges that always imitate a receipt, either for a payment that they received 587 00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:22.480 or a payment this they are going to give to someone, that is, 588 00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:28.960 maybe it sounds basic and silly, but you won' t believe it how 589 00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:32.440 many people already with medianito offices, then neither receipts have and if there is 590 00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:35.559 how much you gave him. They were already aiming, who knows where in 591 00:46:35.679 --> 00:46:42.239 a little book. No. Then bringing order to projects is indispensable. Then 592 00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:45.679 everything has to be signed. No, no, no, no, no, 593 00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:47.400 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 594 00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:47.400 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 595 00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:47.400 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 596 00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:52.599 no, no. It is indispensable and they will say ay, but we 597 00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:58.079 are super quates and already told me that yes twenty times there are no projects 598 00:46:58.400 --> 00:47:00.360 that are very fast of execution, that is, of projects and execute, 599 00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:05.599 And there are projects that take from that the client approved you, the space, 600 00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:07.719 the material, the coating, the furniture, the closet, whatever. 601 00:47:08.360 --> 00:47:14.079 It' s been a year, a year and a half until people see 602 00:47:14.199 --> 00:47:15.679 it again and many times it' s happened to me there. It' 603 00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:19.079 s not me, it' s not me, it' s not me, 604 00:47:19.400 --> 00:47:20.880 I didn' t ask for it no more, that marble wasn' 605 00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:22.159 t me. He was no different. No, I mean, he remembered, 606 00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:25.800 he was the one who knows how. And then you have to have 607 00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:32.400 everything signed. Then the subject of order is important. Yes, and although 608 00:47:32.480 --> 00:47:38.639 they don' t need to have this paper labeled, whatever it is, 609 00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:43.599 but have it in writing. Yes, it has been noticed then that one 610 00:47:43.639 --> 00:47:47.119 is the creative part, the other is the administrative part and the other, 611 00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:52.039 that it is important is that we have to learn to collect our work. 612 00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:59.800 True, and our work therefore is worth different, that is, especially in 613 00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:02.400 this country where the table of the college architects, because the truth is that 614 00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:07.800 no, well, it is a base, but it is not a reality. 615 00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:12.920 So, in fact, every firm charges what it wants, I' 616 00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:15.119 m not saying it from a banal point of view, well, what it 617 00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:22.000 wants, what it can and what it takes to charge clearly according to its 618 00:48:22.039 --> 00:48:24.400 expenses, to its creativity, to its ingenuity. I know then, how 619 00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:30.719 it can be a little abstract. Not that it is the creative theme how 620 00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:37.639 it is measured, because, in fact, a more creative architect becomes more 621 00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:45.079 popular, more famous, there is more demand and because it can charge more, 622 00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:46.519 because of course, it cannot charge what it wants, it is not 623 00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:51.679 a somewhat artistic topic. Then, now the asking is the giving and there 624 00:48:51.679 --> 00:48:55.599 will already be those who want to pay more, less, etcetera. But 625 00:48:55.719 --> 00:49:00.960 there are basic expenses. No, then they have to have a list of 626 00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:06.159 their expenses, i e, whether they plot inhaus things or that they blow 627 00:49:06.239 --> 00:49:09.840 things up, that they are sent to plot, computers, gasoline, this, 628 00:49:10.800 --> 00:49:15.639 transports, the drafter or the cartoonists, this is, even if it 629 00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:21.199 is small, because usually you need one or two more people to help you 630 00:49:21.239 --> 00:49:27.679 or at work tons that have very well as defined those fixed expenses, not 631 00:49:27.719 --> 00:49:32.199 that apart, they are allocated a salary for them within that project. I 632 00:49:32.199 --> 00:49:36.199 mean, no, because how much my time is worth, I say I 633 00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:38.679 ' m just a graduate, how much they would pay me in an office, 634 00:49:38.840 --> 00:49:42.800 because maybe that' s the minimum that I want to earn a month 635 00:49:42.800 --> 00:49:45.360 in this project. How many months will it take me to design it. 636 00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:49.639 Not two, and well, a profit. No, I mean, I 637 00:49:49.639 --> 00:49:51.679 have to win them something. Fifteen percent, twenty percent, thirty percent getting 638 00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:57.400 a little guard. No. So neither did anyone tell me how and to 639 00:49:57.559 --> 00:50:00.480 date, I honestly don' t know about a formula, that is, 640 00:50:00.519 --> 00:50:05.880 every new project that comes to me, yes, it serves me to compare 641 00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:08.679 it with the previous project. But I kind of make another new formula, 642 00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:13.280 you know, and I say maybe here the reguries took us longer this or 643 00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:15.800 in the end they were more corrections. Then I better consider from now on 644 00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:21.559 two more corrections, because it always happens and that time how much it cost 645 00:50:21.559 --> 00:50:24.599 me. No, yes, yes, truths, because it is not easy, 646 00:50:25.280 --> 00:50:28.679 but literal, at least, they have to know how much it will 647 00:50:29.159 --> 00:50:35.280 cost them real on one or two salaries, in gasoline, in time, 648 00:50:37.239 --> 00:50:40.119 in goings and taken from samples. Or I know then, because I don 649 00:50:40.199 --> 00:50:44.400 ' t know that you' re not suffixed and that you don' t 650 00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:46.199 want to find the table of how much to charge, because you' re 651 00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:51.920 not going to find it. But you see how much your time is worth 652 00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:55.000 if you assign a salary and you have a salary assigned to the people who 653 00:50:55.039 --> 00:51:00.400 are collaborating with us, of course not then, like those three things do 654 00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:05.199 me good, yes, well important, yes, yes. And an extra, 655 00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:08.800 because we don' t cut our creativity because we' re usually very 656 00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:13.599 creative in school, which is the first thing I talked about at the beginning 657 00:51:13.639 --> 00:51:16.000 and so one comes out of reality. And because it already gives you the 658 00:51:16.119 --> 00:51:21.159 budget, the time delivers the customer, grinche, etcetera, etcetera. No, 659 00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:28.320 then this same elizabeth heon then says I don' t care, bitch 660 00:51:28.400 --> 00:51:30.920 put them on a shelf whatever it is. You know, I' m 661 00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:35.880 not designing shelves for that corner anymore. No, but not because all the 662 00:51:35.960 --> 00:51:38.320 details, that is, in the end they do count when you are in 663 00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:43.119 the process and in the rush and you stress and sometimes you don' t 664 00:51:43.159 --> 00:51:46.599 want to complicate and sometimes there are ideas, because it will take us a 665 00:51:46.639 --> 00:51:51.880 lot more time to solve, because, because it' s an idea that 666 00:51:51.880 --> 00:51:52.360 you don' t know how to execute. And you' re looking with 667 00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:58.280 a supplier and another supplier and something different. But because that difference, because 668 00:51:58.360 --> 00:52:02.119 it can be the distinctive one it could be that those who help you to 669 00:52:02.199 --> 00:52:07.960 the following projects, try to keep proposing new or different things, or disruptive 670 00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:14.159 or more functional. Not then, like not getting tired of the day to 671 00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:20.840 day and the stress of everything that leads to carrying an office and leaving one 672 00:52:20.920 --> 00:52:27.079 side the creative, but keeping as our creative Guinea. I totally agree. 673 00:52:27.719 --> 00:52:30.119 Lis a thousand thanks for being here with us on D Radio that last time 674 00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:36.039 please, and we remain in touch thanks to the audience for listening to us. 675 00:52:36.880 --> 00:52:39.760 Listen to all the podcasts of the new season and also the past. 676 00:52:39.800 --> 00:52:45.679 They can be found on all music streams, such as Spotify, Amazon, 677 00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:50.519 Google, dezer all. There' s no excuse they can' t hear 678 00:52:50.519 --> 00:52:52.719 us, so they can find them there. They' re already going into 679 00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:54.800 the new programs, so alert everyone because they' re already going into the 680 00:52:54.880 --> 00:53:00.840 new radio announcers and lis. Thank you very much, very much already. 681 00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:04.400 On the contrary, Karen, very happy to be here and reach out to 682 00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:08.960 your entire audience. Not much, then, because I hope it will entertain 683 00:53:09.039 --> 00:53:15.239 you and serve you something like this, share a little bit of this way. 684 00:53:15.360 --> 00:53:17.679 No, thank you very much. I' m sure you are, 685 00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:22.039 because your trajectory is incredible. Really follow your work, your social networks with 686 00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:28.880 that, because they are instagrat your blapado, with script under architecture, guide 687 00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:34.679 under perfect interiorism and there we go uploading our sopdates very well, so follow 688 00:53:34.719 --> 00:53:38.440 it to see your work. They know her and this one, for they 689 00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:40.480 follow their day to day. So do I. Thank you very much, 690 00:53:40.599 --> 00:53:44.960 thank you to the audience and, please, come and take a little turn 691 00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:49.039 here. He collaborated here on the street of Sanluis Potosí one hundred and thirteen 692 00:53:49.119 --> 00:53:51.960 in the Colonia Roma to come to see the show room, which is full 693 00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:54.079 of high design furniture. Come for a ride. Thank you, Leash, 694 00:53:54.639 --> 00:53:57.519 thank you audience. Bye bye bye