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What is krack alacin, Fellow thermonuclear
affors, I am Madan fa Valley,

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coming at you with my certified fanab
you as co host, mister Grant Hughes.

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We're onto the awards part of our
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what number this will be, but
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our thirty three part series where we
do a pot on every single team plus

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over unders one per conference, and
this awards podcast. That's a lot of

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as well. Grant, how the heck

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are you doing? I'm very well. You just mentioned to me this over

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under competition, which excites me a
great deal. Have we set the stakes

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like do if someone I mean not
if when someone beats us? What do

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they get to host the podcast for
an episode? And then do we refuse

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a peaceful transfer of power and just
say the votes were wrong? I'm thinking

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the winner amongst the listeners and if
they beat us that if you beat both

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Grant and I, you can choose
the subject matter, but the winner of

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the over under will get to come
on the podcast. Perfect. That's something

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that they are interested in. So
another reason to go join our discord the

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link? Where is it, Grant? I mean, it's in the YouTube

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and podcast descriptions. It's very And
where is discord Dan? It's on the

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internet. That's something I do.
It's out there. Can you just can

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you call Apple to confirm that?
Yeah, it's like the series of tubes

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that make up the Internet aren't working. Yeah. No, I'm excited about

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that. That that's a cool idea. And hopefully, well we finished in

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the top I just hope we finished
in the top fiftieth percent. Tile of

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submissions. Otherwise it's a bad look. Can I tell you something, I'm

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not confident. I'm really I'm not
confident. I'm I'm so confident, I'm

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not confident of it. Before we
get started, I would like to address

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this very quickly. The Rockets traded
Kevin Porter Junior some seconds to the Oklahoma

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City Thunder for Victor Oladipo and Jeremiah
Robinson earl it Is, as well as

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reported a bookkeeping move. The charges
against Kevin Porter Junior were also dropped,

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I think the Manhattan District Attorney announced
recently. My thoughts on this are I.

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I don't think the Rockets they should
have had to live with this mistake.

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The contract was the contract. It
was structured in the way that it

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was because they knew he was a
wild card. The reason they were able

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to acquire him in the first place
was because of questionable behavior. Per the

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report from Clutch Fans, they enabled
a lot of that behavior behind the scenes.

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And there are people in my mentions
right now and I conveyed it.

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I think it's cringey as shit,
but I conveyed it as this is my

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opinion. I'm not speaking for Grant, but I didn't want to not note

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the transaction itself. I don't think
one that the Rockets should have just been

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allowed to undo this mistake, and
I believe they're saving money in the process

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because Oladipo and Jeremiah Robinson Earl do
not make as much as Kevin Porter Junior

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this season for the Thunder. I
don't know why you would want this player

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associated with your franchise just so you
can get clearsome roster spots and get a

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second round pick. The people that
are saying he was going to get paid

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anyway, then he should have gotten
paid by the Rockets who gave him that

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contract, knowing what an off court
risk he was. And I just I

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find it cringey that I don't want
to see people. It's okay to criticize

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the team that you root for.
I promise you it is okay. We

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will compliment the Thunder for other things, just like we've complimented them in the

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past for other things. Moving forward, it's okay to just say no,

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they shouldn't have done this, And
it's not just about operating as a business.

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Yes, the NBA is a business, but this opportunity would not have

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been available through the Thunder if the
intimate partner violence incident did not happen with

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Kevin Porter Junior. Conversely, would
the Rockets have been looking to make this

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deal, this exact deal, if
that incident didn't happen. No, and

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so I'm not a fan of instances
as extreme as this, saying the NBA

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its teams get to operate as business
as usual because this is a business.

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No, it's okay to just say
no, this shouldn't have happened, and

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the Rockets should have eaten their mistake. I know, per the CBA,

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they probably couldn't have disciplined him.
They could have outright waived him, or

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they could have waited until the investigation
by the league and themselves was complete.

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That's just where I land on it. I'm sure if Grant you want to

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add anything to it, I would
be more than happy to. No,

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I think, I mean, I
think the main thing I don't take issue

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with anything you said. It is
cringey, it is, you know.

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But the only outcome I think that
wouldn't have been create is just waving him,

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you know, which, which I
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probably would have been the right decision. I think, I'm I don't have

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a lot to add other than to
say, I'm just glad we'd like I

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don't feel like we're gonna need to
talk or think about him for a while.

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And that's cool. So I'm ready. I'm ready to just not have

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that taking up any any brain cells
for a while. Yeah, And I

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the only the final thing I'll just
say is I just don't understand the need

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to defend the Thunder or the Rockets
in the sense of this. They needed

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to get off his deal. No
they didn't. They shouldn't have offered him

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the contract if that was money.
And the other thing this is real,

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Galaxy brain, is that the Thunder
deserved to be commended for facilitating his removal

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from the league. It was happening. It was happening anyway, and so

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there. And you know what,
the Thunder probably had other opportunities this offseason

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to make these types of moves where
they could have cleared up roster spots and

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elected to wait. So we say
nice things about the Thunder all the time.

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This is not gonna be one of
them. But we are free to

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move on. I just didn't want
it to go unnoted. How do we

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I'm gonna you're gonna control this.
How do we want to how do we

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want to go about this? Where
do we want to begin? Were in

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charge? So I think I think
it's just start up, that we should

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start with MVP. Let's start at
the top. And I don't know,

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I think we can it can be
kind of loose because the problem. I

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don't know how you approach this,
but the process for me was kind of

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let me make a list of like
fifteen guys and kind of start coming up

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with reasons why they won't win it, and then you get down that's it,

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because I just want to make this. Maybe it's lame, like some

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of these takes and picks are a
little hotter than others, but I kind

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of went with the approach of like
trying to get this right. So I

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need to just pick the person that
I have the fewest uncertainties about. I

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don't know how you approach it,
but so I start with a big list

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and we can just we can go
through like who we ruled out and why,

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or we can just name our guy
and then go down the list and

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say this one, these three are
out for this reason. This guy's out

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for this reason. So that that's
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Did you do an actual ballot though, Like, do you have like a

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top five for this winner? I
got a guy in green as my winner,

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and then there's not a uniform number
of guys I'd put down the ballot,

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but there's like a yellow who are
sort of like in the in in

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the finalist area. So I didn't
actually do a full ballot, but it's

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kind of like the guy and then
a couple others that I think have a

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chance, but I'm not picking him, and then a bunch more that it's

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like I ruled him out. So
it's probably just best to go. We'll

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reveal our winners and then the I
did five, like I have, I

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have ten guys listed for MVP.
I think because it was tough. I

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did rank my MVP because if your
top five on your MVP ballot is not

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also your first team all NBA,
I don't there's no positions anymore, so

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I don't know what what that point
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to work through our winners in any
like you know, the cream of the

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crop. Honorable mentions that we went
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it was hard this year. I
don't know why. Maybe it the parody

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in the league contributes to parody and
awards. But I factored in the sixty

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five game minimum we have to keep
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so that impacted, well, how
much of a chance was I willing to

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take on in Anthony Davis or a
Kawhi if I was talking about all NBA

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teams. So that made it a
little bit more challenging as well. Yeah,

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that is, and we should maybe
just put some of this out up

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front. The sixty five game minimum
is actually kind of a it's a little

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looser than that to be considered for
awards, because there's a way you can

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play sixty two or sixty three,
and then if the other two games are

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you know, you played at least
twenty minutes. It's just like, but

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we're just I when I was doing
this, I just I didn't get into

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the weeds too far. It's just
is this guy gonna play sixty five games?

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And if the answer was probably yeah, then I considered them that.

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I kept it pretty pretty simple in
that regard. And these are who we

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are predicting. It's not who we
think necessarily will win. I think I

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did who I think is gonna win
it, So you want that I went

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for I guess it's at this point
that's the same thing where it's like,

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so, but our ballots aren't necessarily
meant to reflect, like I don't I

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think Nicole Jokic was both of our
MVPs this past year, was it not?

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So that's more of a mid season
thing where it's we're picking who we

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would pick, not who we think
is gonna win. So right now it's

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both who we'd pick and who we
think is gonna win. So you are

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you are correct? I don't know. All right, that's enough preamble.

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I'll tell you just let's just start. I picked Jokic for MVP again,

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and I don't know, like how
much justification do we really need, Like

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there's a great argument he should be
trying to get his fourth in a row

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right now. I just it came
down to there is an element of team

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success for MVP, Like it's undeniable. It's really hard to win MVP if

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your team is not top three,
top two in the conference. And Denver

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I think just I have the fewest
questions about Denver being in you know,

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team success. I think check Jokic's
centrality to that success, Like massive check,

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biggest check of anybody in the league, because all the numbers we know

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they're just aren't good when he doesn't
play. So if Denver is really good,

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it will only be because Jokic is
really good. So you know that

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those two things aren't in place for
a lot of other guys. He's going

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to have the individual production, like
he'll just walk into twenty five, ten

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and nine or whatever easily. And
then health, I mean, of the

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best play in the league. I
have the fewest questions about him staying healthy

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and getting over the sixty five games. So that's why he was the pick

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for me. It's like it's very
un sexy because I think it's he's fairly

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close to the consensus just the best
in the league and whatever. But yeah,

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we can talk. We'll get into
more of like other considerations, But

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who did you have. I'm Nikolaijokic
as well, and dovetails with a lot

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of what you say. I would
re emphasize. I mean, despite what

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Calvin Booth thinks about Peyton Watson's Hall
of Fame chances, the bench is not

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great this year, I would argue, just because I know they didn't lean

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on Christian Brown during the regular season
a ton last year. So I mean

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last year during the regular season,
you had six guys that you trusted to

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log these heavy minutes. It's the
same case again, only I think now

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once you get beyond those six guys, and maybe even including those six guys,

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just because Brown's only a sophomore,
I know he's older, a proven

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winner. You're rolling the dice,
and if all of those dice rolls or

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some of those dice rolls don't pan
out, the importance of Nikoliokic only increases,

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and so he wins from every angle. It's when you're trying to pick

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your MVP, it's who kind of
is on a team that's good enough,

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is having like a large enough indispensable
impact, and then like there has to

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be the narrative element of look what
he's doing, how he uplifts them,

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And I think Nicole Jokicic checks every
possible box. There my only concern for

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picking him, and I try not
to let this factor in For me,

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They're still going to be the voter
fatigue because he won two in a row.

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It was between him and Joel Embiid
really last year, and I mean,

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even just thebid Giannis Jokic MVP debate
feels like it's it's never ending,

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and so does that hurt him?
I don't think it will. I think

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people, what could actually and before
I throw it back to you go through

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your ahms, what can actually really
help him is, Oh, he's coming

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off a really long playoff run,
even though they dominated in the playoffs,

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and yet he's still this good.
There's no championship hangover, He's still this

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important. And the Nuggets don't seem
to be treating this like the stuff coming

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out of camp. I know it's
training camp in preseason and whatever, but

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they seem very serious about this regular
season to where now they're bearing the burden

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of pressure where people have expectations for
them. And I'm very interested to just

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see how Yoki response to that,
because I think that he's going to be

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just as spectacular as ever. Yeah, I think I agree with that.

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So I'll go further down. I
don't have a I was gonna say,

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down the ballot, So the next
like chunk, I guess there are four

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conveniently that I that I considered,
and that they all I'll give you the

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argument like why I don't think they're
on Yokic's level as consideration, So I

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have Yiannis, but I just think
Dame is going to kind of cannibalize some

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of that vote. I think Lillard
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be difficult to say who. I
mean. I think Giannest will have more

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to do with the Buck success,
but it might be like a you know,

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a fifty five to forty five split
or something or something close to that,

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where you have who do we credit
for this? Neither of these guys

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are on my ballot or I have
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overlap. I have honest too.
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with Dame kind of cannibalizing his consideration. But I also look at it as

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because of the concessions the buk have
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depth, that Giannis is so much
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he was last year that I think
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He's I have him too, And
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be really good and they might churn
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it fifty eight or fifty seven?
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happen again. If health breaks right, they just might be so good.

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It's well, we have to take
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that's clearly gonna be him. Yeah, I would say he's probably my too,

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is the first guy I mentioned.
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the list. I think that's a
great point. He really has an opportunity

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to to and we'll get to this
later too, like defensively prove that he

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can be you know, he's got
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with so much offensive stuff. He
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like, I don't know. I
guess he's third, but I have real

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questions about are the sixers gonna win
the fifty plus games? I think we

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both went under or we didn't think
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the again the health ish, like, you know, he's relatively healthy for

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him, but that sixty five game
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me. And the vibes are bad
with the hardened quagmire thing. So did

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you have m being on there too? He was number six. Just I

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don't know if he's going to reach
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the way, we both went over
on the sixers. We did what was

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it like forty It was forty seven
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really quick. It was forty seven
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went with or was forty eight and
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Okay, that's that feels like too
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even if they hit forty nine,
I mean, it'd be close, But

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I feel a lot better about my
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magical fifty game march. I think
it's also I could envision the East being

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a Saria where it's like fifty two
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Yeah, that's true. I could
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good about either of these next two
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Curry hasn't played sixty five games since
eighteen nineteen, so like that we

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do that might just end it there. Uh. And then Tatum I have

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written in my notes like he will
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like I think he he's you know, most people would say he's top ten

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in terms of like where he sits
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You really got to be like in
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and the Celtics will have to win
a ton of games. That's the other

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thing is I think Boston's gonna win
a shitload of games, so and he'll

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probably be the most significant reason for
that. I like some of my omissions

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honestly better and think they're better players, but I don't think their teams are

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going to be good enough. So
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So I had step third because it's
a gamble. But this whole thing is

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just a gamble. Like you said, he hasn't played in sixty five games

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in a while, or like,
but he only needs to get to sixty

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two. But yeah, really it's
there. Feels like there's a sense of

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urgency with the Warriors, just based
off I actually think the Jordan Poole move

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was also a bookkeeping move. But
when you swap out someone that young,

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who is so integral to your two
timeline structure, for Chris Paul, who's

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on this such a media track where
you're not going to have them for more

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than this season, maybe not even
the entirety of this season. I talked

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to this about Samus Findiari, and
this also swayed me towards it is that

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the Warriors understand the urgency behind this
window to the extent that where it feels

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like Bob Meyers maybe wouldn't have reflipped
CP three in the middle of the season

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if the right trade came along,
Mike Dunleavy Junior and Kirk lacub might and

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so just the urgency, I think
that leads me to believe that Steph is

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gonna be on. They're all trying
to just put what happened last season behind

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them, and I think what could
hurt his MVP cases if they start really

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doing well in the minutes without him
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But he is just it's kind of
shocking. I saw someone and I don't

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really get in the team propaganda,
but the fact that Steph is never ranked

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higher than like fourth in ESPN's Top
one hundred or something like that over the

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past like whatever years ever since his
first title is been kind of weird to

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me. He was kind of like
an early favorite before he got hurt last

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year. He was playing so well, and so just if things break right,

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I think he'll be like, he'll
definitely be in the top five or

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top three whatever. So I have
him there. I have Jason Tatum number

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seven. I think his case was
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I'm worried, you know, are
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a playmaking improvement or playmaking reliance on
him with Drew Holliday there. Peyton Pritchard's

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still there. It could, it
totally could happen. But now Drew Holliday

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is going to even alleviate some of
the defensive burden from him. I think

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it's better for the Celtics and all
the wrong run. I just think when

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you have so much talent Jalen Brown, Drew Holliday, Christos porzingis now that

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could dilute his case a little bit, even though none of those guys are

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on the MVP level. So he
was seven. I had Luka, Doncic

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and Devin Booker were both in my
top five. I'm really bullish on the

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Devin Booker stuff. I think a
lot of it's gonna have to come down

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to know. His stat lines are
not as gaudy as as Lucas or maybe

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even maybe even they could be as
gaudy as tatums pretty easily, but he

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is going to be He's the most
critical piece of that team to making the

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three star combination. We don't have
a real point guard work. He is

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their best passer now. I don't
think I'm overlooking anybody there, and I

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think that we're gonna see as as
assist total skyrocket. I think the way

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he can move and play without the
ball is gonna be important to kind of

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optimizing KD and Bradley beal at points
and so just given that role and that

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importance and how much one he's improved
defensively, but two that they're gonna need

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to lean on him defensively this season, I think it's set up well for

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him to crack the top five.
And Lucas just Luca. My issue with

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him is just I don't know if
the MAVs are gonna be good enough to

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wear this could like and he's not
gonna get the Shay Gilders Alexander bump where

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it's oh, your team wasn't great, but you were just so great,

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we're gonna throw you in there.
He has Kyrie, there's immediate expectations there.

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I feel very uncomfortable putting him in
my top five, but just some

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other names that I considered to round
out my top ten. I have SGA

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at eight, Duran at nine,
and just Lebron at ten. I really

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wanted to throw SGA further up there. I just Sam Presty has preached patients

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with this team and how they may
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So I question one whether the Thunder
will win enough, and then there's just

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the other There could be some pole
back for SGA. Two, when you

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want to expand the roles for Josh
Giddy, you have chet Holmgrid there maybe

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even expansion for Jalen Williams. Could
that eat into some of how central he

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was to their offense? Yeah,
no, I agree with all that.

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So the three guys that were the
toughest emissions for me were SGA, Luca,

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and Booker. I think Luca will
just have an MVP statistical case for

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sure, but we agree like I
don't. I don't like Dallas to win,

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you know, forty five games,
let alone fifty necessarily SGA same thing.

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I think he could put up the
exact same stats as last year,

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and if the Thunder don't add a
bunch more wins. I don't think he's

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a realistic competitor. Booker. I
feel the worst about the reason I went

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away from him as like a serious, you know threat to Jokic, which

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I mean he is, because we're
talking about four and fifty players and we're

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you know, limiting our conversation like
ten. So obviously he's a threat to

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win it. But he looked so
good against Portland in the preseason bit that

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I watched last night. We're recording
this on Tuesday. Did you also bet

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on preseason basketball as well? No, but I did feel like I needed

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to watch the Suns a little bit. And he comes out, Booker and

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hits like four threes in the first
quarter and is like getting steals by like

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fighting through posts from behind in the
post and like triggering breaks, And I

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was like, God, damn it, this gup? Why did I not

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put this guy higher on my MVP. I think Durant is gonna cannibalize some

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of the vote, even though I
don't think Durant's gonna play sixty five games.

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I think it'll be another situation where
it's like who do we credit for

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this? But I agree that Booker
is the one who probably deserves and will

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deserve the most credit. I had
a couple other down ballots. I had

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Dame Like down the ballot quite a
ways. And I also had Darren Fox

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down a little bit, just because
I think he's not it's not ridiculous to

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throw him in there. This year, I was gonna ask you, who

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do you if you had to pick
a player that had like the sgaesque rise

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up the MVP ballot to where he
could be in top five? What were

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some of the names that you would
think of? And darn Fox certainly.

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I mean, he just made an
All NBA team, so it wouldn't come

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out of me. It's not like
some huge thing. I mean, if

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you're Fox, Fox stands out in
that group quite a bit to me.

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I think Tyre's halliber And is probably
another, ironically former teammates, is another

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guy that, like the Pacers,
will not win anywhere close enough games for

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him to be an MVP, but
like he's someone that might get you know,

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he might get thrown like a third
you know, down ballot vote at

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some point because his numbers will be
great and it'll be very clear that he's

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the reason the Pacers are as good
as they are however, good that is

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trying to think who else I might
I'm looking at like my all NBA stuff,

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and most of the guys I have
on third team I don't think have

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a realistic MVP shot. I think
in terms of the SGA question, Anthony

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Edwards would probably be a possible answer
for that. I think break right in

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Minnesota. I don't know if Pascal
Siakam would really qualify, but like he's

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never finished super high in the MVP
ballot, and then the other one,

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this is like he's been round for
a minute. But Trey Young just I

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hate, I hate that you picked
him because I think kind of the same

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way. Yeah, I like,
I like, I'm kind of bullish on

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the Trey Young twenty three to twenty
four season right now. So we should

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also say the guys that I just
kind of threw out because of the games

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thing. Who Otherwise you're like,
where is this? So KD, I

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don't think it's gonna play enough,
Kawhi, Paul George. I actually have

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Lebron in that group, I don't, I mean sixty five games he made.

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That's why I put him. Because
the MVP bount's only five names deep.

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So like if you're in the top
ten. It's just sort of like

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a nod to I would consider you, and that might have maybe that's the

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better way. Who else do we
need to say? A D I think

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is like, is Fringe MVP good
enough most of the time, but he's

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not gonna play jaw Kyrie z Ion, Jimmy Butler, I think is not

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gonna do what happens if the Sixers
are really good and Beads availability as wonky

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and James Harden is the driving force
of us. There's there are so many

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hypotheticals you just listed, like layered
on top of each other that are not

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going to happen that I'm not prepared
to entertain that possibility. Harden as a

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friend, I mean no, I'm
not ready to go down that road of

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having to think about Harden as an
MVP. I this would be like way

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too galaxy brain. But I was
just like, if they do, we

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need to talk about anyone in Cleveland. So I have Mitchell like on a

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Mitchell's gonna make an All NBA team
for me, So I guess he's the

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one. And actually I have a
second cav on an All NBA team,

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not to tease it, too much. But this guy he also I think

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it could be Darius Carden might be
their best player this season. That is

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certain. H they have three guys
that I think you can reasonably say in

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Mobley Garland and Donovan Mitchell you think
that could be their best player of the

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season. I don't think any other
team has that type of hierarchy where it's

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I guess, would you say the
Suns come closest to where it would probably

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floor me if Bradley Beal was their
best player this year? Yeah? Yeah,

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outside the realm of and I mean
in a good way, not like,

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well, the Wizards have like eight
guys who could be right right right

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right, Yeah. Yeah, it's
not always great if you can't identify a

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team as best player. So sometimes
it is, but sometimes it's not.

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Okay, Yeah, so we both
have Jokic and our but we're not that

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far apart on any of this.
Do we forget anybody we named like probably

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thirty guys altogether here? You let's
just throw I mean, if the Magic

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are good, bank Cao, I
mean, don't give me. Can you

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stop like putting it on a tee
for me to offend Magic fans? Okay,

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what happens, if what happens if
the Hornets win forty six games or

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something mellow. Making the of that
conversation, Yeah, I think I could

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see him getting because I don't know
how you felt, but getting to All

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NBA Third Team, I was thinking, like, like forty different people at

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that point. We literally made honorable
mentions of our teams. I could have

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made ten All nbaights, right,
Yeah, Yeah, No, I think

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00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,559
that's an interesting one. I'm trying
to think who else. I guess,

407
00:24:33,599 --> 00:24:37,319
like, if the Heat have the
best defense in the league, maybe Bam

408
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,920
is someone that gets like, you
know, finishes top ten ish and MVP

409
00:24:41,079 --> 00:24:45,599
voting or something like that. I
guess ruled out Jimmy for for games played

410
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,279
reasons. Yeah, that's about all
I got. I don't I don't think

411
00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:52,599
anybody else is. We haven't.
I mean, we haven't really like deeply

412
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,960
snubbed anybody here. You want to
do Defensive Player of the Year, Yeah,

413
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:03,000
so kind of similar here. I
I there's a lot, there's probably

414
00:25:03,079 --> 00:25:07,119
I think there are really like four
or five really good options here. I

415
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:11,039
had to go Evan Mobley. I
know you had him last year as your

416
00:25:11,079 --> 00:25:15,319
guy. It still I'm sorry to
interrupt, it's already spoilers. I've been

417
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,200
Mobley again. Of course you do. You had him last year in his

418
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,599
second year. You can't not pick
him for his third. I did not.

419
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:22,880
He was not I would have to
look. I'm pretty sure he was

420
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,920
not my preseason no, no,
no, no. But by the time

421
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:27,880
at the end of the year,
he's he was your guy, right,

422
00:25:29,079 --> 00:25:30,680
Oh, yeah, he was my
guy. But I just did not expect

423
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,720
you to pick him. No.
I well, so I I here's the

424
00:25:33,759 --> 00:25:37,640
reasons. So the other considerations for
me, the serious ones. Jared Jackson,

425
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,319
I don't have a great argument against
him winning it except voter fatigue maybe,

426
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:45,319
and he might miss time because he
tends to do that. I have

427
00:25:45,519 --> 00:25:49,359
Giannis, and I have Draymond,
and I have questions about both of those

428
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,680
guys. Draymond the game limit,
he's already probably gonna miss a couple maybe

429
00:25:53,759 --> 00:25:59,200
with the ankle. Uh. And
I you know, he's getting up there.

430
00:25:59,319 --> 00:26:00,759
I think he slipped a little bit
last year. Although you hear some

431
00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:06,480
people had Draymond as like the best
permanent defensive guy in the league last year,

432
00:26:07,599 --> 00:26:11,519
So he's in consideration. Who'd I
say, Jackson, Jannis, Draymond,

433
00:26:11,799 --> 00:26:15,000
oh uh. I don't know how
I elevate this guy above a lot

434
00:26:15,039 --> 00:26:17,960
of others, But I think Nick
Claxton might be really good this I like,

435
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,119
I think Nick Claxton is a really
good defender, but I think I

436
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,440
think this could be like a leap
defensive year. But I don't know how

437
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,920
you're gonna credit him with like a
lot of other good really defense, really

438
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:32,839
good defensive players on that team,
like Bridgers will probably get consideration. Part

439
00:26:32,839 --> 00:26:36,680
of it, too, is it's
we're not at the point where people are

440
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,200
looking only at the minutes those players
are on the court. They're like,

441
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,240
oh, well, like, if
the Nets are four teams in defense,

442
00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:42,960
how is Nick Claxton going to win
Defensive Player of the Year. Yeah,

443
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:45,720
Nick claston might make an appears on
one of my all defense teams. I

444
00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:51,400
only went five deep or three deep
on this ballot, but no I went

445
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,759
five deep, So I have Evan
Normley at one. I have Draymond it

446
00:26:53,839 --> 00:26:56,680
too. Again, I'm really buying
into the rebirth of the Warriors, and

447
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,400
I do think that he had a
case as the best permanent defender last year.

448
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,160
Jared Jackson Junior was just overwhelming,
and Evan Mobley played so many minutes.

449
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,200
My case, Revin Mobley, by
the way, I think a lot

450
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:11,319
of people will say, well,
he's playing with Jared Allen. Here's the

451
00:27:11,319 --> 00:27:14,400
thing, he's kind of in the
this role is different. But when you're

452
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,640
looking at the rim stuff, where
Jannis ends up contesting more shots at the

453
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,440
rim than you think, it's the
same for Evan Mobley, who I think

454
00:27:21,519 --> 00:27:25,000
was in like the top five or
whatever of shots because he played so much,

455
00:27:25,279 --> 00:27:29,119
and then he differentiates from Giannis.
Where Jiannice is sort of this chaos

456
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,039
creator away from the ball. I
think Evan Mobley can do that. He's

457
00:27:32,079 --> 00:27:33,119
more of the guy where it's like, no, you got to go check

458
00:27:33,599 --> 00:27:37,480
these other people. And so I'm
not saying there's more value in that one

459
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,599
way or the other, but to
do those like it's a little bit easier

460
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:47,160
to be when there's another big on
the court. I'm really not trying to

461
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,960
devalue Yannis here. I think Giannis
is no worse than the third best player

462
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:56,039
alive right now. I just think
Evan Mobley's defense like it's if you're having

463
00:27:56,079 --> 00:27:59,559
to check specific assignments and you're not
the primary rim protector, it could be

464
00:27:59,599 --> 00:28:02,680
harder to make an impact as a
rim protector, and I know a lot

465
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,839
of that is probably Evan Mobley's gonna
get minutes as the primary big more so

466
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,160
than Giannis. That's gonna be part
of this value too. I will say

467
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,359
when we get to all defense,
that's the one change without positions that will

468
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,920
benefit big men, which I think
is fair because guards are gonna rule the

469
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,880
day, probably in the All NBA
stuff. So that's my case for Mobiley,

470
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,799
and I'm trying to get out in
front of how people will discredit him.

471
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,160
He also just might be the best
defend They're on the league's best defense,

472
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,480
and we don't have to overthink like
it's okay to go that route.

473
00:28:27,559 --> 00:28:30,720
I mean, it's you get to
a point where you know when it's done

474
00:28:30,759 --> 00:28:36,240
by so much committee. But when
you're the best defense and three of the

475
00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:40,759
players and your most used lineup for
borderline liabilities, then there starts to be

476
00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:42,359
something too. Oh, if that's
the best player, best defensive player,

477
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:47,759
it matters. I already mentioned Draymond
Giannis again, I think for the Bucks

478
00:28:47,759 --> 00:28:52,720
to be really good and maintain their
level of top ten defensive type, it's

479
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,240
gonna come down to him more than
Brook Lopez without truality there, and I

480
00:28:56,319 --> 00:28:59,920
just think he's I think he's fully
capable of doing that. And then Mike,

481
00:29:00,279 --> 00:29:03,359
I think you mentioned them already that
I had as like my five mentions.

482
00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:07,319
Bam Adebayo on Jaron Jackson Junior,
I don't know that. I partly

483
00:29:07,359 --> 00:29:11,400
just doesn't trust the heat defensively a
little bit. We saw some pullback last

484
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,519
year, and because BAM's not that
traditional rim protector, I wonder if that

485
00:29:15,599 --> 00:29:17,960
hurts his case a little bit.
I don't know what to do with Jaron

486
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,359
Jackson Junior. The game's played stuff
or total minutes played. I feel like

487
00:29:21,359 --> 00:29:25,039
he could eventually lose ground to guys
that are just on the court more even

488
00:29:25,079 --> 00:29:29,119
if he reaches the games played threshold, but he could certainly win again.

489
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,680
I've also wondered, I think I
believe Marcus Mart's a defensive upgrade over Dylan

490
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,839
Brooks just because positionally, even if
you think Dylan Brooks is just that better

491
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,359
one on one guy, and does
that dilute his case at all, because

492
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,640
Dylan Brooks was never in the conversation
as dpoy even when he was doing the

493
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,559
all defense. So the Grizzlies are
good on defense, is well well he

494
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,599
is Steven Adams and now Marcus Smart, So I maybe I was overthinking that

495
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,440
element of it too, And I
couldn't get to Nick Claxton for defensive Player

496
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,680
of the Year. But I'm a
Nick Claxton sicco. So I appreciate you.

497
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,079
Yeah, I mean, yeah,
I think I have him like a

498
00:30:03,119 --> 00:30:06,599
loose fifth, which is, you
know, the guy that I have like

499
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,480
twelve is probably pretty close. But
like the Jackson thing is interesting because I

500
00:30:10,519 --> 00:30:14,440
think I think Memphis is going to
be very very good, at least certainly

501
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,680
to start the year on defense,
because you're not going to mean, yeah,

502
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,240
the first twenty five games, give
or take I'm not sure why.

503
00:30:19,759 --> 00:30:25,039
Uh, And and because like if
Adams is healthy and you got Smart and

504
00:30:25,559 --> 00:30:27,720
like that, defense should be really
good and there might just be I don't

505
00:30:27,759 --> 00:30:32,519
think the narrative gets like calcified quite
that early, but I think he'll have

506
00:30:32,559 --> 00:30:36,559
a lot of very early momentum,
not that he wasn't gonna otherwise, but

507
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,799
a couple other guys I thought about. I think Brook Lopez deserves a mention,

508
00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:45,240
Anthony Davis obviously, Walker Kessler I
think deserves a mention here. I'm

509
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,000
trying, like og probably your need
to sell me on this is it just

510
00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:52,559
like it's the Brook Lopez case of
just like look at that rim protection.

511
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,039
It's it's one hundred percent that is
that is all it is. Like he

512
00:30:56,079 --> 00:30:59,680
was an elite rim protector as a
rookie, and I think he can just

513
00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:02,640
be a little bit better in space. And the thing is, I don't

514
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,200
know how much it's gonna like Utah, Utah just probably won't have a defense

515
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,359
that's good enough to produce a Defensive
Player of the Year candidate in a serious

516
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,279
way. I'm just you know,
I'm just throwing. We've mentioned like fifteen

517
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,960
is there, And I apologize if
I missed the name that you said.

518
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,960
If you had to pick a predominantly
perimeter defender that could win DPOY this year,

519
00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:26,279
who would you throw? And I
mean Evan Mobley counts. So let's

520
00:31:26,359 --> 00:31:30,319
exclude exclude him. Well, then
then that's easy. I think there's a

521
00:31:30,319 --> 00:31:33,839
couple I think like og is someone
I don't know if yeah, he's a

522
00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:37,039
perimeter defender even though he's like seventy
five positions, which I think is yeah

523
00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:41,279
that count. Perimeter is a position
that you can defend. So he's in

524
00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:47,519
there. I'm trying to think who
else the littler guards like Holiday Caruso.

525
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:52,400
I don't think that's that's realistically gonna
happen. Michail Bridges maybe, but I

526
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,920
feel like his offensive role is a
little too big to get, you know,

527
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:01,279
serious consideration. Who am I forgetting
besides after Og as a perimeter guy

528
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,400
you have? Do you think this
might be this might be a little too

529
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:07,920
much? But like Jade McDaniels,
can he get in there? Or is

530
00:32:08,519 --> 00:32:12,880
Edwards and Rudy Gobert too much?
Now I could see that. I think

531
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,759
that's a good one. I think
I had one more of that now I

532
00:32:15,759 --> 00:32:20,920
can't remember who it was. So
here's something I wanted. I will I'll

533
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,599
wait until we get to something because
this is not going to be this,

534
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,039
so I'll save it. But yeah, I don't The perimeter one's tough because

535
00:32:27,039 --> 00:32:30,039
it's like Drew Holliday, Derek White
hurt like could have Herb Jones. That's

536
00:32:30,079 --> 00:32:35,799
it was, Yeah White, could
Herb Jones get in there? Maybe?

537
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,079
I mean he kind of do do
you feel like fair or not? I

538
00:32:38,599 --> 00:32:45,920
think the the evaluation if his second
year would be one of like most people

539
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,640
think it was disappointing right a little
bit for Herb Jones because he was such

540
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,200
a like so as a rookie and
they're like, oh, where the Pelicans

541
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,279
got this guy? You know late
way later in the draft that you should

542
00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:58,559
be able to get one of the
best perimeter defenders in the league. And

543
00:32:58,599 --> 00:33:00,119
then he was kind of similar to
that year, but just like didn't really

544
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,799
improve that much offensively and now now
maybe it's time for him to really pop

545
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,119
and and you know it'll catch people
on unawares. I don't know, we've

546
00:33:08,119 --> 00:33:13,680
cannibalized a lot of our All Defensive
team top that was the first the first

547
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,039
teams of all NBA and all defense
like and even rookie like when you're it's

548
00:33:16,039 --> 00:33:20,400
just yeah, I will the one
name and I can't remember if you mentioned

549
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,920
him, but I just couldn't get
there with the games played, and he

550
00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:25,599
is he is the guy that I
think could upend everything we just said,

551
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,160
even more than a generator like Anthony
Davis. For sure. Yeah, it

552
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,359
feels like the guy that could just
upend all of this. If he plays

553
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:37,200
sixty five games, I think he
probably finishes no lower than third in voting.

554
00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:39,279
Would would you agree? Like?
I think I just that's really where

555
00:33:39,319 --> 00:33:43,200
he is. I just I can't
get there. I just like know,

556
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,799
like he can're not going to play
sixty five games. He hasn't played,

557
00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:50,400
and so I guess the equivalent of
the pandemic season, he played sixty two,

558
00:33:50,519 --> 00:33:52,519
so that would be the equivalent of
sixty five. But like otherwise he

559
00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:55,400
hasn't even even if you're pro rating
in twenty twenty, twenty twenty one,

560
00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:00,319
he has not gotten to sixty five
since twenty seventeen two eighteen the equivalent,

561
00:34:00,319 --> 00:34:05,240
and so it's happened once since then. It's just that's just where I'm at.

562
00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:07,559
Yep, No, I think that's
again, Like it's not a question

563
00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:12,760
of ability, it's it's availability.
You have to Rookie of the year just

564
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,920
because I feel like that'll be they'll
be cool to have that next Like,

565
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:20,039
so I really think Brandon Miller is
getting I mean, like, what do

566
00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:22,280
we need to talk about here?
Is it? Is it Wenby or the

567
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,199
field? If you had to pick
Wembin Yama versus the field, who would

568
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:29,400
you pick? Look, the field
is always the safer pick. But I'm

569
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:34,159
just looking at like, who is
the guy that you think is going to

570
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:38,159
have the chance to have like maybe
Wemby Wenby's going to have the opportunity in

571
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,639
so many different fats of the game, you have the impact. Maybe he's

572
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:45,280
bad, he will not be,
which is maybe he is. Who else

573
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:50,719
is going to have the same scale
of opportunity aside from Scoot Henderson because Chet

574
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,639
Holmgren might should be one of the
three best rookies, Like his offensive responsibility

575
00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:58,840
isn't going to be the same even
his defensive responsibility. Yes, he's important

576
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,199
to the rebounding, the protection,
but when you look at who is in

577
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:06,320
front of him, like Sga had
a bounce back year, Lou dort Jyalen

578
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:12,480
Williams, I mean, poku Ushman
Jang like talk about it. No,

579
00:35:12,599 --> 00:35:15,519
that's a great point. It's it's
not even well you probably saw this putting

580
00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:19,880
the rookie teams together. It's like
there's the three guys. There's Wemby,

581
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,880
Scoot and Chet that are clearly and
Chet, I mean it's really Wemby and

582
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:27,880
Scoot. If you're talking about just
opportunity to get tons of numbers. Chet

583
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,679
I think is is easily in that
group of three in terms of like,

584
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:36,000
well, he has a shot,
but he's not gonna have the nearly as

585
00:35:36,039 --> 00:35:40,280
big a role, certainly Scoot probably
in terms of like who's tasked with doing

586
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:44,599
the most, he probably is gonna
have to do more than women Yama defensively

587
00:35:44,679 --> 00:35:47,519
for sure. Yeah, I guess
maybe just by virtue of his position defensively,

588
00:35:47,559 --> 00:35:51,599
but if he's playing with Tybow and
Sharp, he should They probably move

589
00:35:51,679 --> 00:35:53,280
around. I was gonna ask you
this, and it's putting you on the

590
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:58,679
spot. Who is then, like
if you're even if you want to include

591
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,199
home Green Web, like, who
is the rookie that's gonna have that next

592
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:07,159
biggest opportunity, like the biggest role, like to where they could not just

593
00:36:07,199 --> 00:36:09,639
minutes played, but like where we're
talking about Andrew Nemhard last year, who

594
00:36:09,639 --> 00:36:13,840
should have made an All Rookie team, but where it's like he will also

595
00:36:14,039 --> 00:36:16,719
have that role where the stats go
along with it, like Andrew Nemhard's role

596
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:21,519
was not stats based. I don't
know that I have in answer. I

597
00:36:21,559 --> 00:36:23,280
just don't know if it's a good
one I have. I wonder if we're

598
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,840
gonna have the same guy. But
so, I mean I kind of ruled

599
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:30,519
out both of the Thompson's just because
I think a star might start. I

600
00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:32,760
mean he's been starting over Jade and
Ivy in preseason, and I don't know

601
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,480
how much you read into that,
but like he's just gonna be. He's

602
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,320
gonna have the defensive highlight reel a
mile long, and then I don't know

603
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,719
what else is gonna happen. Like
the offense is a real question mark.

604
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,239
I think I'm in is kind of
the same way. But he's behind some

605
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:50,360
other young guys. So that's why
I think, like I mean, Brandon

606
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,039
Miller probably probably should get a lot
of reps. But but I don't think

607
00:36:54,039 --> 00:36:58,840
either of us are in love with
him. Is it Keyante George? How

608
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,960
is the guy? Because and this
was it's I think it's live now.

609
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,480
So the look ahead with the jazz. Tony Jones came out and said he

610
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,079
would not be I think he said
he would start him opening night, but

611
00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:10,639
he thinks that before long, Count
De George will be starting. And that's

612
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:15,239
just I mean, I still he's
not gonna I wouldn't pick him to be

613
00:37:15,599 --> 00:37:17,360
Holmegren, Wemby or Smooth, which, by the way, should we just

614
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:21,639
our order. I'm gonna get your
order is the same as mine. Wemby,

615
00:37:21,639 --> 00:37:23,599
Scoot Holmgren, Yeah, and I
would, by the way, take

616
00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:28,400
Wemby over the field. I think
it's I'm prepared to do it, but

617
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,519
it's not the actual smart move.
The smart move is painting in the field.

618
00:37:30,519 --> 00:37:34,599
But we are smitten, and I
think, look, I know I

619
00:37:34,679 --> 00:37:37,119
keep referencing this, but we came
away, you and I from his worst

620
00:37:37,159 --> 00:37:40,360
game in Summer League thinking that he
was gonna be one of the best players.

621
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,800
Yeah. Well, and like I
love Scoot, I think Scoot's gonna

622
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:49,639
be really good. And Holmgren looked
awesome when when I've seen him in preseason,

623
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,880
So like those two are both.
Scoot is going to turn the Bowl

624
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,199
over a ton, I think just
because he's playing with a bunch of young

625
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,599
guys a lot, and and he's
just being asked to do quite a bit.

626
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,400
So he might not have a great
statistical season. I still think he's

627
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,639
gonna get some counting numbers and he's
gonna have flashes where it's pretty undeniable that

628
00:38:07,679 --> 00:38:12,639
he's gonna be just a great lead
guard for a long time. But Wemby

629
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,840
is just every game there's like five
things that it's just no one else does,

630
00:38:17,199 --> 00:38:21,199
and and we're just scratching the circle, like do we really need.

631
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,199
Just how many calories do we need
to burn talking about how great women ya

632
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,639
is gonna be? Is that necessary? Well? So I want to I

633
00:38:25,679 --> 00:38:29,719
want to see your opinion this.
I just had to do an article where

634
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,440
I had to predict his complete stat
line as wow, would you like to

635
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,440
see what I came up with?
And again, so a lot of this

636
00:38:36,519 --> 00:38:37,519
comes down to how are they gonna
use him? How many minutes is he

637
00:38:37,639 --> 00:38:39,920
gonna play? This is where I
ended up with, We'll go we'll go

638
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,000
stat by stat, and you could
tell me if you think it's too high,

639
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,239
too low, whatever. So I
have him at thirty two point six

640
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,480
minutes a game. I was I
hope, I was hoping that was gonna

641
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:54,119
be points per game until until you
said okay I could. I would go,

642
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,280
that's a good over under, is
what I'd say. That feels about

643
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,480
right now, And when it commers
day is scoring. I want to point

644
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:06,840
out that over the past ten years
or three players in their age twenty season

645
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,639
or younger have averaged more than twenty
points. So it's not that common,

646
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:15,400
but it's Luca Zion and Palo Bancaro. With that said, I have Victor

647
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:20,360
Wimenyama at twenty point nine points per
game, No problem with that, and

648
00:39:20,559 --> 00:39:24,920
on fifty three point two percent two
point shooting okay, thirty one point four

649
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:30,320
percent three point shooting, and seventy
three point nine percent free throw shooting.

650
00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:34,920
I think the the two point shooting
has the biggest because I'd be a little

651
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,760
bit surprised if he's super efficient from
three. Yeah, but like if they

652
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,360
use him a little bit more as
a play finisher, I could see that

653
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:44,039
number going up. But based off
what I've seen from preseason, they're gonna

654
00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:47,159
give him the runway to experiment,
and so I think that ends up bringing

655
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:51,519
his Some of the shots he's gonna
take inherently will drive his two point percentage

656
00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:54,000
down, would be my Yeah,
that that's an interesting one. I I

657
00:39:54,119 --> 00:40:00,599
just envisioned him getting four dunks a
game in transition or on offensive rebounds or

658
00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:04,119
whatever. So it's just you could
take four more bad twos and you're still

659
00:40:04,119 --> 00:40:07,320
shooting fifty percent on your twos.
So I think I think, if anything,

660
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:13,320
the two point percentage seems a little
low, okay, but that feels

661
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,599
about right. And I do like
that you went low thirties on his three

662
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:19,519
pointers because he's gonna take some bad
ones, and like, that's just it's

663
00:40:19,559 --> 00:40:21,760
that that I don't think is gonna
quite be there yet. So I like

664
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,400
that, what did you do rebounds
and blocks and stuff? Oh yeah,

665
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:28,199
I did rebounds, assists, blocks, and steals, So rebounds, this

666
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,400
was tough for me. We know
he has like a ninety foot standing reach

667
00:40:30,559 --> 00:40:34,960
and that you don't need to be
super strong to grab rebounds. However,

668
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,719
and I know he averaged double digits
with the Metropolitans ninety two in the preseason,

669
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,280
he was under eight per thirty six, And I do think the way

670
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:46,039
they're gonna use him defensively where he's
not the primary big teams will look to

671
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:49,599
pull him out of those low spots. And so unless the Spurs are just

672
00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:52,239
committed to leaving him there, or
maybe they play zone or something, I

673
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,440
went him with eight point four rebounds
per game. I think that's I think

674
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,519
that if I might go under,
if I had to go over under,

675
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:04,920
because it is gonna be a little
bit more of a Jaron Jackson like Miles

676
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,280
Turner type of thing where he's gonna
be away from the basket like kind of

677
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,880
a lot on both ends, I
think potentially, And it's just the opportunities

678
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,599
may not be there, but yeah, I like that. What about blocks

679
00:41:14,599 --> 00:41:16,559
and steals, that's kind of the
most interesting part. Let me do this

680
00:41:16,679 --> 00:41:20,320
just really quick. I went over
under three point seven. I think he

681
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,239
has the ball in his hands enough. Wow, there'll be turnovers. But

682
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,519
the Spurs don't have they have Trey
Jones as like your creator. And then

683
00:41:27,559 --> 00:41:30,239
it's right, well, let's try
Jeremy Sohan maybe played Devonte Graham. We'll

684
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:36,960
give Devin Vessel some some ball reps. I think I'd go under only because

685
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:42,559
and like, I think he also
among the awesome things he does every game

686
00:41:42,559 --> 00:41:45,639
we see him is like there's always
a pass or two that he's on the

687
00:41:45,679 --> 00:41:47,960
move and he quickly finds someone.
Like it's a little like tic tac toe,

688
00:41:49,079 --> 00:41:52,320
like short passes around the basket.
So like, I think potentially he

689
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,119
could be a really good passer.
Three point sevens a lot for a big

690
00:41:55,159 --> 00:42:00,599
guy. But is he he's also
just maybe like a small forward. Then

691
00:42:00,599 --> 00:42:02,440
we don't know it yet, so
I don't. I don't know. Uh,

692
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:07,079
Steels was tough because he doesn't get
a lot of them. I think

693
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,320
because when you're someone who's going to
be used in the way of Okay,

694
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:13,880
well you're protecting the rim or looking
for blocks, and then I don't know,

695
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,599
he doesn't seem super aggressive looking for
those on the ball, And I

696
00:42:16,679 --> 00:42:20,679
don't think the Spurs are gonna have
him party crashing passing lanes. I think

697
00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:23,440
it's gonna be Oh, someone's driving, their back is turned to the three

698
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:27,039
point line. They they're throwing a
kick out, but they forgot that one.

699
00:42:27,079 --> 00:42:30,920
But Y'ama has this huge wingspan.
He grabs it or he just reaches

700
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,800
in and pokes like wide. I
went with one point one steals. Okay,

701
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,440
I could see that. I do
think you're right, Like he's gonna

702
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:42,559
have steels where it's guys just not
being accustomed to having to throw a pass

703
00:42:42,679 --> 00:42:46,480
like even further outside or over or
like he's just gonna get steals that no

704
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,719
one else has ever gotten. So
he'll like bank a bunch of those because

705
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,519
guys are unready. Uh blocks,
you gotta you have to have gone over

706
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,840
two and a half. Oh I
did, but here, so I went

707
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,039
with before you say it too.
I went with three point two. Okay,

708
00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:06,000
now here's every rookie in league history
who has hit three or more.

709
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,920
You had Sean Bradley hit three,
as did to Ken Matumbo. Sean Bradley

710
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,840
did it, by the way,
in only twenty eight point three minutes per

711
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,320
game, Alonzo Morning and Shaq had
three and a half. David Robinson has

712
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:22,320
the NBA record at three point nine. I don't think Wemby's gonna get to

713
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:27,119
three point nine. David Robinson average
like thirty nine like minutes per game or

714
00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:30,760
his reviiear or it was thirty seven
whatever it was. And then even Shack

715
00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:32,599
he played more than I think Wemby
will, he was closer to I think

716
00:43:32,639 --> 00:43:36,639
he was at thirty seven point nine
minutes, but Tumbo was at thirty eight

717
00:43:36,639 --> 00:43:38,639
point three. But I just look
at Wemby and I'm like, none of

718
00:43:38,679 --> 00:43:44,039
the guys I just mentioned could block
jumpers right the way that went like,

719
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,559
and even just these like mid range
jumpers from the corner off of inbounds or

720
00:43:46,559 --> 00:43:50,679
these floater shots that they'll come in. It would if I had to pick

721
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,400
the over the under on this,
I would just take the over because he

722
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:59,559
is I've never seen anybody like him
before. But I also wonder, okay,

723
00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:01,320
do we need to pull back here. He's never gone through an eighty

724
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:06,719
two game season. How many minutes. Will the Spurs play him? Part

725
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,280
of me thinks I went too high, but I'm just I just I'm excited.

726
00:44:12,679 --> 00:44:16,760
Yeah, I think if there's one
stat that you sort of how about

727
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:21,760
this, I think that I think
the block stat is the one where he

728
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:27,519
is most likely to do something statistically
that we like all have to look at

729
00:44:27,519 --> 00:44:30,559
each other and say, we need
to like reevaluate what good defense is now

730
00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:35,039
because he just averaged like four point
nine blocks per game as a or something,

731
00:44:35,039 --> 00:44:36,800
you know like that, I think, you know, he's not going

732
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,199
to average thirty points, he's not
going to average nineteen boards, but like

733
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:44,360
he might block five shots a game
like that's not he's gonna get too,

734
00:44:44,519 --> 00:44:47,400
like by accident basically because he just
happens to be there and like bats a

735
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:52,079
floater from twelve feet away or something. So yeah, I love the block

736
00:44:52,119 --> 00:44:54,320
thing. You know what we what
this is revealing to me is we didn't

737
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:58,559
mention him as like a down ballot
defensive Player of the Year candidate, and

738
00:44:58,559 --> 00:45:01,599
that's really stupid to have mentioned him. I will this is That's what I

739
00:45:01,639 --> 00:45:05,639
was saving. I said, I
thought, dpo, why because the Spurs

740
00:45:05,679 --> 00:45:09,760
are gonna be awful on defense?
Probably could he make an All defense team,

741
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:13,719
though, And so I was gonna
give you the rookies that have made

742
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:19,000
all defense, okay, which is
Tim Duncan, David Robinson, Manout Bowl,

743
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,480
Hakeem and Kareem abdul Jabar. And
so it's just like that's it.

744
00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:25,239
That on record is the only since
I think all defensive teams are made,

745
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:30,039
those are the only rookies who have
made it. The oldest rookie of the

746
00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:32,280
bunch or youngest, I'm sorry,
was Tim Duncan. That was his age

747
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:36,719
twenty one season. This will be
Wenby's nineteen. Now it's his age twenty

748
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,239
season. He turns twenty in January. It's an awful lot to ask for

749
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:43,039
him to get there. And I
don't know that the Spurs one will be

750
00:45:43,079 --> 00:45:45,039
good enough defensively for him to get
the shine even if he's on the floor.

751
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:49,719
Maybe they are. And then two, I just I'm not saying this

752
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,400
will happen. I want to reiterate
that there could still be some late season

753
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,039
shenanigans in San Antonio, like they
are not. They've made it. They

754
00:45:54,079 --> 00:46:00,239
telegraphed that they're not operating on any
sort with any sort of urgency, just

755
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,480
changed my first team all defense.
By the way, while you're talking,

756
00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:08,159
it'll be a big surprise to what
I did. All right, what next

757
00:46:08,159 --> 00:46:10,119
award? Do you want to take
us? To? Six man? This

758
00:46:10,159 --> 00:46:17,000
one's hard. I so my my
green, my my pick is Boston guy.

759
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,519
I So I guess I'm taking two
for one here. It's either Derek

760
00:46:22,559 --> 00:46:28,480
White or it's Drew Holliday whoever doesn't
start. If Al Horford is there,

761
00:46:28,559 --> 00:46:31,239
possibly Drew Holliday doesn't start. They
did that in the first preseason game.

762
00:46:32,119 --> 00:46:36,480
To be honest, I haven't read
up enough to see what the chatter has

763
00:46:36,519 --> 00:46:38,840
been, but that is at least
as of you know, a few days

764
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,199
ago, like that was on the
table as a consideration. I think that

765
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,079
would be the wrong decision to bring
Holiday off the bench. I think Derek

766
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:47,239
White is just like the no brainer
for that. And if Derek White comes

767
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,679
off the bench as the Celtic six
man, I think he wins six Man

768
00:46:50,679 --> 00:46:52,320
of the Year. And I'm like
not concerned about it. So maybe I

769
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:57,719
should just say Derek White, assuming
Holiday is gonna start. But I just

770
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:00,280
yeah, I think you know,
is gonna win a ton of games,

771
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:06,400
in my opinion, And I think
either whoever is there, six man is

772
00:47:06,519 --> 00:47:09,920
just going to be a really good, safe consideration. So I'll pick Derek

773
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:14,280
White. If I have to pick
somebody, well, you because this is

774
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,199
a predictions, Oh for Boston coming
off the bench. I thought you meant

775
00:47:16,199 --> 00:47:19,119
like, if I have to pick
a six man in the year, I'll

776
00:47:19,159 --> 00:47:21,440
pike. Yeah, I was trying
to get away with Boston guy. But

777
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:22,519
if you're going to really hold my
feet to the fire, I guess I'll

778
00:47:22,519 --> 00:47:25,280
go Derek White. Before you get
further around, I went with Derek White

779
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:30,360
as well, and it might be
I want to I feel like we need

780
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,840
to change the way we evaluate six
men of the year. If you are

781
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,760
a bench player but you wind up
with a bunch of starts because there were

782
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,760
injuries, isn't that part of the
six man role. I don't have a

783
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,840
problem with the guy that eventually starts
a bunch of games. There's a there's

784
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,760
a criteria in place, right,
You've got to start a certain you got

785
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,400
to come off the bench in a
certain percentage of games to qualify if it's

786
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,239
what we're starting up, like if
it's like more than fifty percent five,

787
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:52,679
but if it's, oh, you
need to come off the bench in like

788
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,280
eighty percent of your games. Well, part of being a sixth man is

789
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,719
to fill in when the fifth man
can, right, Yeah, And there's

790
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,239
also more value in well if you
can come in and it's oh, christophs

791
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:06,760
Porzingis is injured, but we can
still start a guard and Derek White like,

792
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,599
there's value in that. Yeah,
So he he is my one.

793
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:13,559
I think he should probably just be
the favorite to win it now based on

794
00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:16,039
the structure of Boston. It was
very hard to come up with the rest

795
00:48:16,039 --> 00:48:20,239
of my ballot. So I have
my top three, I round it out

796
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:21,880
with, and then I have a
bunch of names, and I'm sure you

797
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:23,639
do, so I'll wait for your
bunches. But my top other three were

798
00:48:23,679 --> 00:48:27,840
Malik Monk in Sacramento, so I
think he plays a bunch of minutes.

799
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,639
The chemistry with the bonus is great. He was good last year. And

800
00:48:30,679 --> 00:48:32,639
then number three is Josh Hart for
me, oh, I like that one.

801
00:48:32,679 --> 00:48:37,400
I didn't go very as deep down
the ballot on this one. I

802
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,840
like both those. I also had
Monk on my short list. I have

803
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:45,199
quickly there too, again just because
I mean, what was his second last

804
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:46,719
year and a lot of people thought
he should have won it. I also

805
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,559
have brogged in just because I assume
wherever he goes, he's not gonna start

806
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,599
if he's if he stays in Portland
for any length of time, forget all

807
00:48:53,639 --> 00:48:58,719
this. Chris Paul, we talk
about Chris, He's He's on my list

808
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,559
as well. Yeah, it feels
too obvious, but that's as much as

809
00:49:00,599 --> 00:49:06,039
I got. So Monk brogged and
Paul quickly, and then Derek White as

810
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,800
like my easy feels like the quote
unquote easy pick. Here are some other

811
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:16,440
names I have. I've Kyle Anderson, Norman Powell, I have Christian Brown

812
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,400
feels like a good, sneaky one. But is this like are we bones

813
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,000
high landing in this where it's like
we're too high on him too soon?

814
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,239
I don't know if this guy will
play in enough games. But bogged on

815
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:29,760
Bogdanovic, he's a good one.
I think Gary Trent Junior could do it.

816
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,880
And here's the one that I'm bullish
on. And if I thought he

817
00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:37,599
wasn't gonna start. You hate him? I hate him? Yeah? Jal

818
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:42,199
Who do I hate? Jalen sucks? Ah? You know it's really bad?

819
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:47,199
Is that's who I was gonna guess
Grant does not hate Jalen Sucks.

820
00:49:47,199 --> 00:49:52,119
By the way, I don't hate
Jalen Suggs. I just say the magic

821
00:49:52,159 --> 00:49:53,840
guards are bad all the time,
and he's a magic guard, so you

822
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:59,199
know, but I don't hate him
for it. So I'm pretty bullish on

823
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:00,679
him. I just I feel like
he should start. Maybe they go with

824
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:05,360
the Gary Harris route or something else
there. But if he's coming off the

825
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,519
bench, well, he have the
traditional scoring metrics, but looking at the

826
00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:13,880
defensive impact, he has his shooting
set, shooting turned a corner last year,

827
00:50:14,039 --> 00:50:16,159
and then he will be I would
think if he's defending as well as

828
00:50:16,159 --> 00:50:20,960
he did last year in some high
stakes closing units, and that would definitely

829
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,119
drum up his six Man of the
Year case. Yeah no, that's fair.

830
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,559
I don't. I don't you know
what. I don't hate that pick.

831
00:50:25,679 --> 00:50:30,679
How about that? That was pretty
quick though. It's like, Derek

832
00:50:30,679 --> 00:50:34,119
White's an award to lose. I
don't you could fill out. You could

833
00:50:34,119 --> 00:50:36,239
tell me so many different orders of
this award, don't. I'd be like,

834
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:37,440
yeah, sure, I'm not gonna
art. People might get mad for

835
00:50:37,519 --> 00:50:40,039
us to do me to mention you
tell me who you want to win it.

836
00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:45,440
And I'll just believe you. That's
fine, right, I'm very excited

837
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:51,039
for most improved Player. Do you
want to try to guess why pick on

838
00:50:51,039 --> 00:50:53,599
this spot? Oh my, you're
not picking Joonathan Kaminga, are you?

839
00:50:53,639 --> 00:50:57,400
No? But he is on the
he is on my list. You have

840
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,440
to put him on the list.
Have you seen this preseason stuff like he's

841
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:04,639
not on my list? And also
I tend to think that working from such

842
00:51:04,639 --> 00:51:09,159
a god awful baseline should not well, I mean, you know, still

843
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:13,199
okay, So you're gonna hate this. You're gonna hate my actual pick even

844
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,199
more for so many reasons because you're
an anti second year guy, which I

845
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:21,639
which is a defensible position to take, because you know, here's the thing,

846
00:51:21,679 --> 00:51:23,320
here's what you're not taking into account. I'm gonna tell you why this

847
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:30,760
not. This anti second year take
is uh oh no no. Or Orlando

848
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,320
Magic fans get ready to be angry. You can just like, I don't

849
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,000
know how long I'm gonna go on
this, but you can hit the thirty

850
00:51:37,039 --> 00:51:39,639
second skip like a handful of times
if you want to. The most improved

851
00:51:39,639 --> 00:51:43,920
player this year Dan is going to
be one. Jalen Williams for the Oklahoma

852
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,559
City Thunder. And I know that
might sound strange because I've already decided that

853
00:51:47,599 --> 00:51:52,360
he is more God than man and
it's hard to improve from that level.

854
00:51:52,519 --> 00:51:57,199
But I'm convinced, maybe if you've
listened to this at all, I'm convinced

855
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,760
that Jayalen Williams is going to be
really, really good. And I think

856
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:05,039
you're gonna see a huge jump statistically
this year because we saw it in the

857
00:52:05,079 --> 00:52:08,519
second half of last year where he
went to like eighteen five and four and

858
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:14,199
with like a fifty forty eighty something
like he just was really great for the

859
00:52:14,199 --> 00:52:16,480
second half of last year after his
eye was healed and he could see the

860
00:52:16,519 --> 00:52:21,559
basket when he shot the ball,
so that so I'm just imagining the question

861
00:52:21,639 --> 00:52:23,280
you have to ask yourself is what
can Jalen Williams do with two eyes?

862
00:52:23,639 --> 00:52:30,159
And I answer the like pretty easily. No, that is my pick.

863
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:36,000
That really is my pick because there's
so many like there's more than any other

864
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,519
or this is just like, I
don't know, pick a bunch of second

865
00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:43,360
year guys, pick a bunch of
third year guys. There's just like it's

866
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,800
so there's so many guys. I
think we'll just get better. I also

867
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,039
hate some of the ones that are
high odds guys. By the way,

868
00:52:49,079 --> 00:52:51,920
we can get to that. But
yeah, it's Jalen for me. I

869
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,480
imagine we share a lot of the
further down ballot guys. And I will

870
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,320
not be offended if you don't have
him on your list at all, because

871
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,440
I know your stance on Most Improved
so Soccer. I do not have a

872
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:07,800
second year player on my list.
Okay, so yeah, I just let's

873
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:12,559
let's say I do. I'm willing
to include a second year player. What

874
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:16,719
is the pathway to his role meaningfully
expanding this year? When you have Shay

875
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:21,559
and Giddy and Holm Grin they did
draft Case and Wallace, they brought over

876
00:53:21,679 --> 00:53:23,320
me Sich. They still have lou
Dort, who they would like to do

877
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:27,480
less on offense, but he's still
gonna eat up minutes you have. I

878
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,039
think they're gonna view Ushman Jang.
We make jokes about Poku, but I

879
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:35,360
think they view Usman Jang is a
real core piece here. I'm just I

880
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,760
think he might have to learn how
to sort of not reinvent, but play

881
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:42,880
a little bit differently this year rather
than just looking at all this extra usage.

882
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:47,039
I think the case the case is
you're not wrong, like there Chet

883
00:53:47,079 --> 00:53:51,559
is suddenly there and you've got to
feed Chet and SGA is high usage and

884
00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:53,639
all, and Giddy probably needs to
have the ball a lot to just be

885
00:53:54,639 --> 00:53:58,880
the you know, the best use
of Giddy is not like as a spot

886
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,360
up threat. Like that's pretty clear. So I think the case is just

887
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:06,360
that Williams the way, the way
I describe him a lot as kind of

888
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,400
dumbfounded is like what's he bad at? I just asked, like, what

889
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:12,599
is he not good at already?
And it's like kind of hard to come

890
00:54:12,679 --> 00:54:15,039
up with anything. So I think
if the if the idea is well,

891
00:54:15,039 --> 00:54:17,920
he's gonna have to sort of get
in where he fits in and find ways

892
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:22,719
to contribute. If that's as a
secondary playmaker, because mech like isn't as

893
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:27,119
you know, can't hold up defensively
and isn't gonna be a good enough shot

894
00:54:27,159 --> 00:54:30,519
creator. Like maybe he's on the
ball a little more as as a true

895
00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:35,159
secondary creator. I think defensively he
has the frame and the ability to be

896
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,239
really good. I think he's gonna
be a super efficient offensive player. I

897
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:42,079
think he's gonna read. I just
think he's gonna be able. I don't

898
00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:44,400
know, like I think he walks
on water, so like I think he's

899
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,800
gonna figure out how to win Most
Improved, I guess is my take.

900
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:52,199
Sorry if that's not gonna include enough
stats for you, Yeah, that it

901
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,199
it's hard to be there, but
sometimes you gotta follow your heart. It's

902
00:54:55,199 --> 00:54:59,719
hard, it's hard to make a
truly rational case. But what would you

903
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:05,639
so if he finishes this his second
year averaging like say nineteen on, you

904
00:55:05,679 --> 00:55:08,679
know, well above league average true
shooting, and is you know, not

905
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:13,440
an all defense level guy, but
is a is a plus defender that can

906
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:17,320
guard you know, two through four, certainly maybe one through four. I

907
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:22,000
mean that's improvement. That like,
that's that's pretty durn good for a second

908
00:55:22,039 --> 00:55:24,679
year guy. But I take a
point, well, he should get better.

909
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:29,639
So how you've picked the right player
in the sense that I'd be more

910
00:55:29,639 --> 00:55:32,719
open to than most secondar player.
Is Pale Bankaro winning the award because he's

911
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:36,639
working from such a high baseline,
right, And it's the same for Jalen

912
00:55:36,639 --> 00:55:38,719
Williams. And I think it was
the thing with the Iaron Fox. So

913
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:43,880
I actually picked I believe to move
when Most Improved when he was a sophomore,

914
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:45,360
and that was when I kind of
changed my stance where it's yeah,

915
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:49,320
is that really fair? I'm not
saying I'm right or wrong. I just

916
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,639
I'm trying to be a little bit
consistent, so I will not pick a

917
00:55:51,639 --> 00:55:53,719
second year player. That's where I'm
at. Uh, you're trying to be

918
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,440
rational, which I respect. I
just think I had to pick a second

919
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:00,280
year player. You picked one of
the correct two. Okays, feel better

920
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,360
about it. You didn't have to
do that. You could have just said

921
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,800
you're an idiot and you're biased.
Then we can move. Who's your pick?

922
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:07,440
By the way, honest they thought
you were just gonna be like your

923
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:12,039
case was. See he went to
Santa Clara and no, I mean that

924
00:56:12,119 --> 00:56:17,679
helps. But so my pick is
Evan Mobley. We've already seen it defensively,

925
00:56:19,039 --> 00:56:22,960
and is this the year that he
gets stronger on the glass, maybe

926
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:25,559
against certain matchups. Is this the
year he does more offensively? It could

927
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:30,760
be tough to imagine him doing more
offensively when you have Donovan Mitchell and Darius

928
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:34,159
Garland. But Ricky Rubio is not
there right now as he's dealing with his

929
00:56:34,199 --> 00:56:37,599
mental health and they were already working
in just like, oh, he's gonna

930
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:39,719
lead the break here, we're gonna
run some stuff at the elbows for him,

931
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:43,440
or he's gonna run it from the
top. I think we could see

932
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:47,000
more. I think we'll see at
the very least more of his outside the

933
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:51,440
restricted area expansion. Well, I
don't know if he's gonna get all these

934
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,960
post ups, like we'll see more
he's operating going downhill and gonna throw up

935
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:57,960
some some floaters, or maybe we'll
see some more face ups. Maybe they

936
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,880
sprinkle in some more three point volume
as well. I think it's going to

937
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:02,679
click offensively for him, even if
it's a matter of Alwa's gonna take some

938
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:06,960
of those fadeaways or his hook shots
fall at a clip. And so if

939
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:10,400
this is someone who at the end
of the season is averaging I don't know,

940
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:16,000
twenty plus points four plus assists per
game, I'm not I'm just not

941
00:57:16,199 --> 00:57:21,320
ruling that out. And he was
at last year sixteen points two point eight

942
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,159
assist per game. So maybe even
I'm selling them short on the passing.

943
00:57:23,199 --> 00:57:28,800
I also had this discussion with Justin
Rowan, who I just I'm a little

944
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,440
bit higher on mobili not than Justin
long term, but I already think that

945
00:57:31,519 --> 00:57:37,280
he's a transcendent passer that just hasn't
been unlocked yet, and so I'm gonna

946
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,199
take the risk there. My other
two, I came very close to picking

947
00:57:39,199 --> 00:57:44,000
both these guys to win it.
By the way, Devin Vessel, I'm

948
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,519
wondering how much better he'll actually be
than his forty something game sample sized last

949
00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:50,119
year. And then also the WEMBI
of it all, Yeah, how did

950
00:57:50,159 --> 00:57:54,159
that impact his usage? And then
Franz Wagner, I've also wondered, Okay,

951
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:58,719
is there going to be opportunity for
him to expand his game? They

952
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:00,000
kind of might need him too if
they want to be competitive, But if

953
00:58:00,039 --> 00:58:04,800
they're fully invested in development and they
want to give Anthony Black a ton of

954
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,320
reps on the ball, I think
that could harm his case a little bit.

955
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,840
But those are my top three.
I also did two that I mentioned

956
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,000
and one I mentioned him because I
find it hard to believe that it'll win.

957
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,079
I don't know what Anthony Edwards needs
to do after having a friends all

958
00:58:17,199 --> 00:58:21,239
NBA season to do it, but
I think nationally he'll get a lot of

959
00:58:21,239 --> 00:58:22,960
love and maybe he'll deserve it.
Maybe it's the passing and the defense just

960
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:27,960
improved by so much and then this. He's technically a second year player,

961
00:58:28,039 --> 00:58:31,039
so maybe he'll appreciate this, but
Kay Cunningham could be someone that definitely enters

962
00:58:31,039 --> 00:58:35,960
this company. Yeah make so.
Uh, I was gonna say about Mobili

963
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,199
before I ask you about Kid.
I think, don't you think it's really

964
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:43,039
he may not need it, but
I think it is helpful for Mobili that

965
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,159
the most recent memory a lot of
people have of him has more to do

966
00:58:46,239 --> 00:58:50,719
with what he couldn't do right,
like, with what his weaknesses were than

967
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,360
what his strengths were that playoff series
just like, oh, he can't finish

968
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:57,559
over you know, contests, and
he's not finding the guy and he's just

969
00:58:57,599 --> 00:59:02,960
like his role stats were absurdly bad
in terms of a points per play value.

970
00:59:04,079 --> 00:59:07,599
So like I don't know, like
he's just gonna be better. But

971
00:59:07,679 --> 00:59:12,119
I think the fact that everybody is
kind of not down on him, but

972
00:59:12,159 --> 00:59:15,159
all we all we've we've talked about
it a lot of like what he really

973
00:59:15,199 --> 00:59:17,079
did kind of fail and it's not
all on him. The Knicks played it

974
00:59:17,159 --> 00:59:21,880
right and the Cavs had limitations.
But I think it helps that like people

975
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:25,800
might view him as like if he
does just showcase like an incredible passing package

976
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:30,679
this year because they have better spacing
partly, and if he finishes better over

977
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:34,760
you know, tough contests or is
just a better short roller, like everybody

978
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,000
will think like, oh my god, the strides he's made. He just

979
00:59:37,079 --> 00:59:39,519
really addressed every weakness he had.
I think, like narratively, that really

980
00:59:39,559 --> 00:59:43,920
plays well for him. But so
a couple others that I had, Oh

981
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:45,880
wait, tell me about kid,
because like I saw Caid really high up

982
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:49,920
on the on the odds, I
think he's like third or something, and

983
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,480
all these guys that have the highest
odds seem crazy to me because I just

984
00:59:52,679 --> 00:59:58,400
don't people agree that Caid already proved
that he's like very He's like, how

985
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,440
much better does Caid have to get
the efficiency from the perimeter, Yeah,

986
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:06,159
would be a big deal. And
then Kenny Shoulder a little bit more basically

987
01:00:06,199 --> 01:00:08,880
that. Yeah, so there's that
there's Kenny Shoulder heavy defensive workload, and

988
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:12,880
I think the other thing, depending
on how they run their rotations, how

989
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,920
well does he just fit into these
dual big lineups that they're still gonna run

990
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:20,079
even though it won't be Wiseman badly
anymore, And how well does he fit

991
01:00:20,199 --> 01:00:22,239
like if they're playing Jay n Ivy
and Arsol Thompson with him at the same

992
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:25,519
time. How well does he do
to elevate those lineups or play off those

993
01:00:25,559 --> 01:00:30,400
guys, And so I think his
strongest case would be an efficiency bump,

994
01:00:30,599 --> 01:00:35,800
and we see like a diver a
diversification of his offensive portfolio. Yeah,

995
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:37,599
I think that, you know,
that's that's that makes more sense than I

996
01:00:37,639 --> 01:00:40,400
was given it credit for. I
think, like, can you imagine him

997
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,719
winning it and everybody being like,
yeah, no shit, he was the

998
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:45,800
first pick and he just proved he's
really good. He got a lot better,

999
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:49,559
like I could. I could see
that that shaking out a couple other

1000
01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:52,119
guys, and all of these guys
kind of fall into I don't know how

1001
01:00:52,199 --> 01:00:55,840
much better they're actually gonna be,
but I think their numbers will probably be

1002
01:00:57,239 --> 01:00:59,960
a lot better. And sometimes if
you're trying to predict who's gonna win most

1003
01:01:00,039 --> 01:01:01,639
improved, that's a good way to
start. I think Austin reeves, like,

1004
01:01:01,719 --> 01:01:04,960
I don't think he's gonna get a
ton better, but he's just gonna

1005
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,079
have a bigger role and he's and
he's earned it. I think Kaminga is

1006
01:01:08,119 --> 01:01:10,920
gonna have much better numbers. I
don't know how much better he's actually gonna

1007
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:15,480
be. He's not gonna win it. I think Alpern Sangoun is kind of

1008
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:17,840
that way too. I think his
numbers could be a lot better. Who

1009
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:22,880
else am I missing? What about
Scotty Barnes. What if Scotty Barnes has

1010
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,800
the year three jump that everyone expected
in year two and we're just finally grabbed.

1011
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:29,760
Could I just don't think the circumstances
are set up for him to succeed.

1012
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:31,519
I know I'm interested that you said
Alpern Shangun because I just don't think

1013
01:01:31,559 --> 01:01:35,760
the Rockets are invested in him to
that degree to where he would actually I'm

1014
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,559
not even trying to be like in
a hole yea there. I just I

1015
01:01:38,599 --> 01:01:43,960
just think, like I've always loved
how intuitive he is offensively, and I

1016
01:01:44,039 --> 01:01:46,840
just hope that now that they have
Van Fleet as a point guard and maybe

1017
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:50,880
the young other young guys just get
better. He seems he strikes me as

1018
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:54,119
a type of offensive player that really
benefits from being surrounded by very good offensive

1019
01:01:54,119 --> 01:01:58,480
players because of his passing and his
vision and how he sees the game.

1020
01:01:58,519 --> 01:02:01,519
And maybe that's that's as much of
the argument as anything is shan Gun will

1021
01:02:01,559 --> 01:02:05,719
look better as the guys around him
get better, and maybe that's where the

1022
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:09,480
numbers come from. Do you know
who the top two most improved candidates are

1023
01:02:09,519 --> 01:02:15,440
in terms of overall odds right now? Neither of them make any sense to

1024
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:20,079
me. I'm gonna say with Anthony
Edwards one of them, no, But

1025
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:23,840
so it's Mikhale Bridges is one on
the one I'm looking at, and Tyrese

1026
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:30,000
Maxy is two. Tyres MAXI to
have him is like the odds on one

1027
01:02:30,039 --> 01:02:34,079
of the two odds on favorites.
It's a little bit weird. But if

1028
01:02:34,199 --> 01:02:37,960
you trade James Harden for not a
star, right, that's certainly like he'll

1029
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:43,519
have. He might have that juice. The path for him is that's exactly

1030
01:02:43,559 --> 01:02:46,159
what happens, and he averages like
twenty five and eight and as just a

1031
01:02:46,199 --> 01:02:50,159
different type of player. So I
get it. But like Tyres, everyone

1032
01:02:50,159 --> 01:02:53,239
agrees Tyres Maxie is already really good, right, and he's like that seems

1033
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:59,000
and Bridges Bridges also everyone agrees if
Bridges was gonna win it, he should

1034
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:00,320
have won it last year or did
he win it last year? I can't

1035
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:05,360
remember who Vowie market. When I
left actually thought it should have been SGA.

1036
01:03:05,519 --> 01:03:07,480
It's just I think you could look
at it and say, Okay,

1037
01:03:07,199 --> 01:03:13,679
if he maintains that type of high
usage star turn for entire year, I

1038
01:03:13,719 --> 01:03:15,559
get it. But it's just like, how do you it's so tough.

1039
01:03:15,599 --> 01:03:20,960
It's it's the Anthy Edwards case,
just maybe in miniature, where it's how

1040
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:22,920
do you like? What is that? What is he? And maybe he

1041
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,519
just gets if he's average thirty points
a game, then yeah, sure,

1042
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:30,280
addition now five assists or whatever.
But yeah, it's that's a that's interesting

1043
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:34,000
that there. And you know who
else I wanted to consider for this award.

1044
01:03:34,039 --> 01:03:37,360
I just didn't think that, uh, he's gonna get the offensive opportunity.

1045
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,719
Jane McDaniels. Yeah, could be
a sneaky candidate here, but I

1046
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:45,079
would I might bet on him before
i'd bet on Anthony Edwards to win Most

1047
01:03:45,119 --> 01:03:47,039
Improves. Just just for the record, as we're looking down these odds,

1048
01:03:47,079 --> 01:03:51,960
I think Jalen Williams is like eleventh
or twelfth. He's right behind Paula Bankaro.

1049
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,480
Why don't you put your money where
your belief is. Those aren't good

1050
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:59,280
odds? Maybe I should. Yeah, this is a wild list. Just

1051
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,360
looking down the guys with the with
the Anthony Edwards does appear though, by

1052
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:05,360
the way, okay, that's enough
on most improved, I think, why

1053
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:08,480
don't you tell me your coach of
the year. Did you pick one or

1054
01:04:09,519 --> 01:04:15,480
did a coach like mention I have
or sixteen names dotted down. I'm not

1055
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:16,679
going to go through them all.
I'll tell you who I have winning.

1056
01:04:17,119 --> 01:04:20,480
And this might be counterintuitive to well, no, it's not counter too.

1057
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:26,159
I've Quinn Schneider as my coach of
the Year. I think he's gonna give

1058
01:04:26,159 --> 01:04:29,840
the Hawks a bump. I think
that the bones of this team are better

1059
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:33,119
than they showed last year, and
that a lot of the controversy behind the

1060
01:04:33,199 --> 01:04:38,599
teams overshadowed that. I would expect
the Trey Young, Jean de Murray fit

1061
01:04:38,639 --> 01:04:41,559
to be cleaner. I think the
minutes without Tree Young and Jean Murray playing

1062
01:04:41,599 --> 01:04:44,800
will be better, in part because
I think Quinn Cyrel'll be more creative with

1063
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:48,440
his rotations. And I think you
could see just developmental bumps from players that

1064
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:53,360
improve this team where it's them leaning
on Jalen Johnson. Maybe they give them

1065
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:56,400
Yaka Kungu a little bit more responsibility. I don't know. How to feel

1066
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:59,480
about aj Griffin. I feel like
he could get buried pretty quickly, but

1067
01:04:59,639 --> 01:05:01,800
I just have faith, like,
this is a team that has real talent,

1068
01:05:02,519 --> 01:05:04,840
and you've given them one of the
best head coaches in the league,

1069
01:05:05,159 --> 01:05:10,639
and I think that you could have
a material bump from that to where it's

1070
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,719
do they win, Like, like, maybe they only win forty six or

1071
01:05:13,719 --> 01:05:16,079
forty seven games, but that's gonna
be enough to put him right there.

1072
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:20,880
The other two names that I'm like
really considered, and I considered so many.

1073
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:25,119
I thought about Erics Poelstra. I
just wonder if the Heat are gonna

1074
01:05:25,119 --> 01:05:27,880
win enough regular season games. But
even if they don't, technic like,

1075
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:30,119
if they win forty four to forty
five forty six games, the fact that

1076
01:05:30,159 --> 01:05:33,400
they just lost two of their top
six rotation members from the playoffs, or

1077
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:35,719
if you want to say, well
Hero was healthy, so too of their

1078
01:05:35,719 --> 01:05:40,599
top seven, And if they're better
somehow in the regular season this year,

1079
01:05:41,039 --> 01:05:42,920
that's good. I think he's the
best coach in the league, so he

1080
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:45,480
deserves to mention there. And I
didn't know what to do with this because

1081
01:05:45,519 --> 01:05:48,639
I think the hype surrounding this team
might just be ahead of where they viewed

1082
01:05:48,639 --> 01:05:53,360
themselves. Mark Dagnault deserves to be
here if the thunder kind of just even

1083
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:56,880
if they're only rack up as many
wins, if you do that in the

1084
01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:02,000
West and you're getting like real development
from your players, that ends up being

1085
01:06:02,039 --> 01:06:05,719
a big deal. But I just
there's not an order that you could like,

1086
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:09,000
I'm I even have, like,
you know, I think some of

1087
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:12,000
the teams where it's like, oh, Michael Malone, the Nuggets are just

1088
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:15,320
gonna be so good? Would anyone
vote for him? Frank Vogel, how

1089
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:17,159
much credit does he actually get for
what happens with the Suns? I suppose

1090
01:06:17,199 --> 01:06:23,119
if they're a really good defensive team, ty Lou, the Clippers stay healthy,

1091
01:06:23,199 --> 01:06:26,639
Chris Finch, if the Timberwolves turn
around. What if the Spurs are

1092
01:06:26,679 --> 01:06:30,159
just better with Wemby and Pop sneaks
in there again, the Celtics will win

1093
01:06:30,199 --> 01:06:32,039
a bunch of regular season games,
so Joe Mizzoula will be in there.

1094
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:35,639
And then there's kind of the these
two coaches, what if they're kind of

1095
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:42,280
remedying flawed situations Darko Royakovic in Toronto
and then Nick Nurse, the former Raptors

1096
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:45,840
coach in Philly, And that's not
even like my entire list, So like,

1097
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:47,519
I don't know who you ended up
with, but they're like Jamal Mosley.

1098
01:06:47,559 --> 01:06:51,039
If the the Magic make the turn, it makes Jazz if they're better

1099
01:06:51,079 --> 01:06:57,559
than expected. Again with will Hardy. So you picked Snyder, that was

1100
01:06:57,599 --> 01:07:00,199
your that was your pick. I
think I think I didn't have him second

1101
01:07:01,599 --> 01:07:05,280
after my number one pick, but
I think I think he probably should be

1102
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:09,960
because the case is so easy,
right, Like he will be credited with

1103
01:07:10,039 --> 01:07:14,679
the Hawks playing differently on offense,
and that's what everybody's complaint has been among

1104
01:07:14,719 --> 01:07:17,400
the main complaints, and it's just
so easy to draw a line directly from

1105
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:21,079
him to like what got better about
the Hawks, and he does, and

1106
01:07:21,719 --> 01:07:26,000
on that same idea, like Adrian
Griffin, just anytime there's a new coach

1107
01:07:26,039 --> 01:07:29,800
taking over a team that's already good, I think that has like a huge

1108
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:32,239
potential to just win the guy the
Award. My pick, though, is

1109
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:34,880
Joe Mizula, and it's not because
I think he's the best coach in the

1110
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:38,800
league. I think I keep saying
I think the Celtics. I picked them

1111
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:43,000
for the highest win total. I
think there are some challenges I guess to

1112
01:07:43,079 --> 01:07:46,199
like sort of figure out how to
play a lot differently with Porzingis and Holiday

1113
01:07:46,239 --> 01:07:50,719
now and instead of the like four
rotation guys they got rid of. I

1114
01:07:50,719 --> 01:07:55,679
think it'll just come down to like
he was. I think mostly like I

1115
01:07:55,679 --> 01:07:58,119
don't know, not maligned, but
like he caught a lot of heat for

1116
01:07:58,199 --> 01:08:01,119
how he you know, didn't didn't
use timeouts, and the Celtics may be

1117
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:05,840
underachieved last year. I think with
a training camp which he didn't really get

1118
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:09,880
last season, and with a team
that's just set to win a lot,

1119
01:08:10,159 --> 01:08:13,159
it'll be pretty easy to credit him. So that's more like who I think

1120
01:08:13,239 --> 01:08:15,880
the pick will be, maybe more
so than I think we'll deserve it.

1121
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:17,840
I had dag Nault there, I
just don't think, Okay, so he's

1122
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:21,600
gonna win enough games for him to
have a real chance. And then Taylor

1123
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:26,960
Jenkins is the other one. I
think narrative boost for him. If they're

1124
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:29,640
just so good without John, then
Josh is back and they're just as good

1125
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:31,720
or better. That's it. That
is exactly the argument is that you could,

1126
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:34,880
well, we got to credit somebody. Let's credit the coach that overcame

1127
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:38,319
the loss of a superstar. Not
to say he's not a good coach,

1128
01:08:38,359 --> 01:08:41,119
but I just think it's all narrative. It seems like for this as much

1129
01:08:41,159 --> 01:08:44,600
as any other award. So what
what if what the Calves finished with the

1130
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:47,560
one seed? JB. Bickerstaff or
I couldn't get there because I just actually

1131
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:51,680
don't think he's like a top half
coach, just subjectively. But yeah,

1132
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:56,359
that we love the Calves and they're
gonna win fifty whatever, so he's got

1133
01:08:56,359 --> 01:09:00,600
to be in there too. Should
we quickly go through our all tams,

1134
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:03,279
we've probably spoiled most of them.
Uh yeah, I think that could be

1135
01:09:03,319 --> 01:09:08,840
more of a quickening exercise. So
all right, you want to start off

1136
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:11,880
with your first team? Yeah,
so my first team is is Jokic,

1137
01:09:12,199 --> 01:09:16,359
Luca, Joel, embiid Sga and
Giannis. And they're positionless now, by

1138
01:09:16,359 --> 01:09:20,000
the way, much to rejoice about. Yes, And also we had to

1139
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:23,439
I don't know how proud of this
we should be, but we had to

1140
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:27,359
figure out whether all defense was still
positioning itause neither Grant or I knew for

1141
01:09:27,399 --> 01:09:29,720
sure. As far as we know, it is positionless. So when we

1142
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:31,520
get to all defense, that'll be
why my first team to say, as

1143
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:35,399
my top five I MVP ballot Steph
Curry Luka Ancics, Devin Booker, Jannis

1144
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:42,279
Tantakumbo, and Nicole jokicch okay,
give me your second team. My second

1145
01:09:42,279 --> 01:09:47,760
team is Shay gil Just, Alexander
Trey Young, Jason Tatum, Joel Embiid.

1146
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:51,560
And this is this has proven tough. I didn't think I was gonna

1147
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:56,840
go there, but I think I
might go there anyway. Do we do

1148
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:58,880
it? Do it? Do I
do it? Do it? Do I

1149
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:02,760
do it? You who say,
Wow, you did that. That is

1150
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:06,800
not what I thought you were gonna
do. I have the guys that I

1151
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:10,760
was worried about them playing. There
are people that I left off entirely because

1152
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:13,720
I just don't trust them to reach
the game's threshold, which is why I

1153
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:15,880
kind of feel like an a hole
picking Kawhi. But he Alsodden came back

1154
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:19,159
and they're like no limitations after his
knee procedures, So you know what,

1155
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:25,359
I'll be a little optimistic. Yeah, So I don't want you to well,

1156
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:28,239
well, so do you have Durant
as a third teamer? So you

1157
01:10:28,279 --> 01:10:30,720
went with Kawhi as the injury risk
guy that you're throwing on all NBA and

1158
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:35,680
not KD Or do you have KD
on your third team. We will get

1159
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:38,920
to that one. Okay, all
right, all right, right, my

1160
01:10:39,039 --> 01:10:42,039
second team, I think we have
a lot, quite a bit of overlap

1161
01:10:42,119 --> 01:10:44,920
so far. But my second team
is Tatum, Booker Curry, all of

1162
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:47,359
whom you had on either first or
second. I have dearon Fox as a

1163
01:10:47,399 --> 01:10:51,439
second team, and I also have
Tyre's Halberd as a second team. So

1164
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:57,720
no, wait, so who was
your first team Jokich Luca embiid s.

1165
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:00,119
I didn't hear Embiid. I was
like, so he didn't even put him

1166
01:11:00,279 --> 01:11:03,560
on second team? No, I
got him on first team. Yeah.

1167
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,600
Fox and Haliburton feel like could be
a year early for both, But I

1168
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:10,800
mean Fox made third team last year, so it's not crazy. And Haliburton

1169
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:13,960
I think had a chance had he
not missed a decent amount of time.

1170
01:11:14,119 --> 01:11:16,319
So there we go. Uh,
let me you want Why don't you give

1171
01:11:16,319 --> 01:11:20,399
me your third team here? Since
we've almost spoiled it already. H I

1172
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:23,800
don't know. So I've d Aaron
Fox on my third team and they go'll

1173
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:28,279
make it again this year. I
have Damian Lillard on my third team.

1174
01:11:28,319 --> 01:11:30,520
I know he's on a new team, but he just turned in the best

1175
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:33,640
season of his career and now it
should get easier for him on offense.

1176
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:40,039
I think, so he's there.
I have Evan Mobley on my third team,

1177
01:11:40,039 --> 01:11:42,960
going to lean into the Evan Mobley
stuff, and then I also have

1178
01:11:43,159 --> 01:11:47,560
I considered putting three Cavaliers on this
list of Darius Garland and Donovan Mitchell.

1179
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:51,840
I don't know if that's actually ever
happened before, though, I don't think

1180
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:57,319
so I went with I went with
Donovan Mitchell. I don't feel great about

1181
01:11:57,359 --> 01:12:00,760
it, and did not go with
Darius Garland there, and I'm rounding it

1182
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:04,680
out and this is a game's played
risk. I went with Lebron. I

1183
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:11,279
also considered Anthony Edwards, Pascal Siakam. I mentioned Darius Garland, Anthony Davis,

1184
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:15,720
and Tyrese Haliburton were my my toughest
like exclusions here. Okay, we're

1185
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:19,720
pretty close because I also have Mitchell
and Mobley on my third team. I

1186
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:24,680
have Lillard and then the last two
on my third team are our Trey Young

1187
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:27,640
who you had second team, so
we had some overlap there, and I

1188
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:33,760
have Anthony Edwards making third team.
Anthony Edwards one was I feel bad about

1189
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:40,399
it. I'm sorry, like if
I wasn't inclined to take there if I

1190
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:44,319
wasn't all in on the Evan Mobley
experience and how good I think he's gonna

1191
01:12:44,319 --> 01:12:47,039
be. Like, that's the spot
that I probably should consider futzing around with.

1192
01:12:48,119 --> 01:12:50,119
But you didn't have Dame on any
of your teams. I did.

1193
01:12:50,159 --> 01:12:54,600
I have Dame on third team third
So my third team is Lillard, Mitchell,

1194
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:58,960
Mobley, Trey and Edwards. Yeah, so who did we have?

1195
01:12:59,079 --> 01:13:01,000
So you have? I had Halliburton. I don't think you have Halliburton.

1196
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:05,520
I think, honestly, I think
people are underestimating how much Indiana is still

1197
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:10,800
rebuilding and that I'm probably one of
them. So wait, you must have

1198
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:13,800
had someone that I didn't. You
had Lebron. I didn't have Lebron.

1199
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:16,159
Yeah, And that's it's like,
I mean I have left him, like

1200
01:13:16,199 --> 01:13:18,680
did you? Just like are you
supposed to leave off A D. Durant?

1201
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:21,960
And I know that that's inconsistent logic, but we're not. We haven't

1202
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:26,720
played the games yet, and so
I'm gonna bet on any one of like

1203
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:30,159
the four playing in enough games.
I think it will be Lebron. But

1204
01:13:30,159 --> 01:13:34,079
I think Kawhi of the four still
just has the highest single season ceiling.

1205
01:13:34,159 --> 01:13:39,159
It's like Durant a D Lebron.
Yeah, I just punted because my first

1206
01:13:39,199 --> 01:13:44,079
four omissions KD Kawhi Lebron A D
like those were my Those were the cuts

1207
01:13:44,119 --> 01:13:45,720
I felt bad about, just because
if they do play like, of course

1208
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:50,960
they're gonna belong. You know,
I think probably not having Jimmy too,

1209
01:13:51,279 --> 01:13:54,680
I feel like I'm gonna end up
we're not I'll end up regretting. But

1210
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:57,720
that couldn't look agree just works like
the safe route could go with this,

1211
01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:00,359
to be honest, would have been, let me take off Guy and Lebron

1212
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:03,840
and I'm gonna put in Anthony Edwards
and Jimmy Butler is probably what I would

1213
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:08,960
have done. But hey, preseason, do you want to take us through

1214
01:14:09,039 --> 01:14:12,680
your first team all defense? Sure? Sure, sure, I was gonna

1215
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:15,000
say, though, like, if
if the game's played, we're not a

1216
01:14:15,079 --> 01:14:19,399
question. Isn't Zion almost like a
lock for all NBA at something like just

1217
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:24,800
because just like do we trust the
games played? It's just so And I

1218
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:28,520
know, look, it's counter too
intuitive to I mean, Lebron's not too

1219
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:30,680
counterintuitive. I know it's been a
minute, but it's Lebron. Yeah,

1220
01:14:31,119 --> 01:14:33,279
yeah, no, I don't have
a problem with Lebron on there. I

1221
01:14:33,399 --> 01:14:39,000
just I'm trying to think we you
We've mentioned a million guys. Jalen Brunson

1222
01:14:39,199 --> 01:14:43,680
thought about it. Sabonis thought about
it, Bam thought about it. I

1223
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:46,399
don't I think that's it. Jamal
Murray thought thought about it. Jalen Williams,

1224
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:49,359
Oh did I not? But you
you made first team? All right?

1225
01:14:49,399 --> 01:14:54,159
All defense? So uh we spoiled
a lot of this in DP O

1226
01:14:54,359 --> 01:14:59,159
Y. But uh so I went
with uh Mobley, Draymond, Jared Jackson,

1227
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:02,119
o G and I put on the
first team after we talked about him

1228
01:15:02,159 --> 01:15:08,119
blocking five shots again, Wait,
did you actually yeah? Yeah right,

1229
01:15:08,239 --> 01:15:11,520
I was not brave enough to do
that. I did. My first team

1230
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:15,279
is Giannis, Draymond, Jaron Jackson, Junior, Evan Mobley, and Bam

1231
01:15:15,359 --> 01:15:18,039
out of bio. Okay, I
took Bam off. He was the casualty

1232
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:21,399
for Wemby. But like, look, if you're telling me, if you're

1233
01:15:21,399 --> 01:15:25,960
saying it's never been done, like
no rookies ever made first team, then

1234
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:29,119
maybe I have had some hesitation.
But you never told me it's just a

1235
01:15:29,199 --> 01:15:34,680
keea. It's just like, yeah, a large one. Yeah. So

1236
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:38,600
Tim Duncan did it. Oh he
ever won a Defensive Player of the Year.

1237
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:43,640
Easy, Yeah, it's not unprecedented, just like the best guys ever

1238
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:46,439
did it, so of course is
gonna do it. Uh, second team,

1239
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:48,880
who do you got? I think
we're gonna have. We might have

1240
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:51,920
some differentiation. Oh, Jianna will
be who you are on your first team?

1241
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:57,880
Right, yep? I also have
Jade McDaniels, Herb Jones, Nick

1242
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:01,680
Claxton, and Derek White. That
that might be a risk this year with

1243
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:06,439
Drew Holliday there, but I still
think he was their best like non he

1244
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:10,439
was their best defender last year period
actually, and he was a chance to

1245
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:14,600
do that again. Yeah. I
don't love my second team yearly as much

1246
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:15,920
as my first. So I have
Claxton, who I think you had,

1247
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:21,439
I have Giannis, I have These
last three are so it could be like

1248
01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:25,920
anybody. So my last three are
Alex Caruso probably not gonna play enough,

1249
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:29,960
but I put him there, Walker
Kessler a little bit of a hot take,

1250
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:32,840
Andrew Holliday just because, and it
could be Derek White for sure,

1251
01:16:33,239 --> 01:16:35,800
but I don't know. I just
Drew Holiday is a great defender, so

1252
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:39,880
I wanted to put him there.
The other thing is like I have two

1253
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:44,960
guards. There is it's possible that
like just ten ten bigs make all defense

1254
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:46,359
if we're not I think so I
was actually gonna get into that, so

1255
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:53,000
I had I also considered Drew Holliday
and Alex Caruso. But it's just like

1256
01:16:53,119 --> 01:16:57,159
between Embiid, Brook Lopez and Anthony
Davis, who were also on my considerations

1257
01:16:57,239 --> 01:17:00,720
of all those guys, And I'm
not saying they I didn't eve Embiid,

1258
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:03,399
I'm being and Andy Dames. I
left off a little Andy Dames Allottle strictly

1259
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:08,960
because of the appearances thing. Kind
of ditto with Embiid, But like there's

1260
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:12,279
a very much just like those three
guys could just you could insert them there.

1261
01:17:12,319 --> 01:17:15,600
I also the other names that I
had considered, uh, Marcus Smart

1262
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:20,159
and Jimmy Butler and McHale Bridges,
yeah, I have Bridges. I thought

1263
01:17:20,159 --> 01:17:24,199
about Aaron Gordon. I feel like
maybe we'll start to see like a ground

1264
01:17:24,239 --> 01:17:28,399
swell of this guy's wat Yeah,
well too bad. Yeah, Peyton Watson's

1265
01:17:28,399 --> 01:17:31,359
gonna cannibalize all those minutes. Sorry. Easton is kind of like my like

1266
01:17:31,479 --> 01:17:34,600
way out of left field, just
like they just might get Reggie Bulock to

1267
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:40,199
replace him, Isn't that? All
I know is he was like ninetieth percentile

1268
01:17:40,279 --> 01:17:43,960
or better among forwards and block rate, steel raid, offensive rebound rate,

1269
01:17:44,039 --> 01:17:46,479
not that that's defense and something else. And he had like more def recovered

1270
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:50,000
more loose balls than anyone in the
league last year despite not playing a ton

1271
01:17:50,039 --> 01:17:53,800
of minutes. So I don't know. And by the way, neither of

1272
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:59,399
us mentioned Dylan Brooks. No I
did. Yeah, so correct, But

1273
01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:03,159
also we're going to go a brook
of any kind. Brook Lopez deserves mentioned

1274
01:18:03,199 --> 01:18:06,520
there. Joshally want to know if
talk about inconsistent logic. I only just

1275
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:10,800
thought of this, having Kawhi second
team All NBA and not making All Defense

1276
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:14,039
team. What type of season did
he have on that? I just don't

1277
01:18:14,039 --> 01:18:16,920
think that's not crazy. Yeah,
I think they'll do things to insulate him

1278
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:19,239
more when you look at kind of
their They have Paul George as well,

1279
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:23,960
and he also just even if he's
taking on the toughest assignments, he's very

1280
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:29,239
just judicious, judicious, and how
much effort he is expending on defensive possessions.

1281
01:18:29,399 --> 01:18:32,960
Yeah, and let's see Bridges I
had as a like down ballot guy

1282
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:38,960
and Herb Jones, so we had
a fair amount of overlap there Jaalen Williams.

1283
01:18:39,039 --> 01:18:43,560
I should mention just lou Dort.
I just feel like his role might

1284
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:46,479
be like restricted a little bit this
year when you look at the players coming

1285
01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:48,840
in on the team. Yeah,
I mean I could. Can you I

1286
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:53,399
can imagine Chet getting some consideration if
he blocks a bunch, you know,

1287
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:55,960
like not We're not talking about a
guy who's definitely gonna make the team,

1288
01:18:55,960 --> 01:19:00,319
but you could. I'm not crazy
to imagine we're halfway through the year and

1289
01:19:00,359 --> 01:19:03,920
he's, you know, top five
in blocks and gets. Here's one if

1290
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:08,319
he gets elevated into the starting lineup
by way of a James Harden trade.

1291
01:19:08,319 --> 01:19:12,079
But the Anthony Melton, Yeah,
I love Melton. Got that guy can

1292
01:19:12,119 --> 01:19:15,319
guard. I really like him.
That's a good one. If he's gonna

1293
01:19:15,319 --> 01:19:16,439
be hurt by the positions. A
lot of these guys are gonna be hurt

1294
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:21,439
by the position thing. All right, all rookie which is definitely positionless,

1295
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:27,199
We're sure. Yes, I'm I'm
so mad that I had to leave off

1296
01:19:27,199 --> 01:19:29,560
because we wrote about all rookies way
back when, but now that we know

1297
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:31,079
a little bit more about their roles. Yeah, so mad. I had

1298
01:19:31,079 --> 01:19:35,199
to leave someone off of all right, I'll give you I'll give you mind

1299
01:19:35,199 --> 01:19:39,079
the start. I mean, Wenby
Scoot Chat one, two, three,

1300
01:19:39,159 --> 01:19:41,359
pretty easy. Yeah, I don't
have any of them on my first tea.

1301
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:45,079
Yeah, you're outside the box after
that, it's so ridiculous. So

1302
01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:50,119
I just went with both Thompson's,
which is kind of lame, and it

1303
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:57,159
like feels like Brandon Miller should probably
be first team. I just I mean,

1304
01:19:57,239 --> 01:19:59,199
yeah, I don't have a great
defense for it. I just love

1305
01:19:59,239 --> 01:20:01,359
how I love that lettism, I
love like the everything, but the shooting

1306
01:20:01,359 --> 01:20:05,720
about both of those guys, and
I think Asar in particular is going to

1307
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:10,920
play like a fair amount right away, it seems like, and so I

1308
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:14,600
don't know, I'm sure, I'm
there's no way both of them actually make

1309
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:15,640
it. I just didn't want to
make a decision, so I put them

1310
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:19,439
both on first team. Yeah,
so my first team does not include either

1311
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:24,880
Thompson brother. I'm just not sure
what Asar's role on offense will look like.

1312
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:30,560
And I also like, I also
don't know what Amen's role in general

1313
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:31,560
is going to look like, even
if he sees that, Like, there's

1314
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:36,119
just so many veterans that are like
the Rockets rotation is just so logjammy.

1315
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:40,159
But they both did make my second
team. But this is not second team,

1316
01:20:40,159 --> 01:20:42,840
this is first team. I have
Wemby chet Holmgren, Scoot Henderson.

1317
01:20:43,119 --> 01:20:45,600
I have Kiante George because I think
his role is going to be huge in

1318
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:47,840
Utah, And then I have a
lot of cool of BALI that dude is

1319
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:51,520
going to play. I think he's
Yes, he's raw, but I think

1320
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:56,239
he's going to have more of an
offensive impact than we credit. And I

1321
01:20:56,239 --> 01:20:58,800
think just sort of the tools that
he'll be able to bring on defense,

1322
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:02,079
maybe it'll be a mess and it'll
just be it'll be chaos sprinkled in with

1323
01:21:02,119 --> 01:21:05,880
some good stretches of highlight reels.
But the opportunity that he should have in

1324
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:10,640
Washington sold me. Yeah. If
he spends any time in the G League,

1325
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:15,279
which like under normal circumstances, he
probably should, I will be very

1326
01:21:15,319 --> 01:21:18,159
upset because there's no reason to not
just just turn him loose and just like,

1327
01:21:18,319 --> 01:21:21,439
don't care about what he does offensively, just let him be a terror

1328
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:25,960
on defense and figure out the rest. Like if yeah, no league for

1329
01:21:26,039 --> 01:21:29,359
him, Okay, Yeah, I
like both of those picks. So no

1330
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:30,640
Miller on the first team. For
either of us though, by the way,

1331
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:33,680
yeah, is that right? Yeah? Okay, So Miller's on my

1332
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:38,399
second team. I also have Kante
George Conte George probably should be first team,

1333
01:21:38,399 --> 01:21:41,800
but I'll leave him there. Uh. Couliballe also on my second team.

1334
01:21:42,319 --> 01:21:45,159
The last two I have are Cam
Whitmore and Jarris Walker, and a

1335
01:21:45,159 --> 01:21:48,840
lot of that's just kind of like
by default because I wanted to put Taylor

1336
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:53,680
Hendricks just because I love him the
one, but didn't put him on mine.

1337
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:56,960
The Jazz aren't gonna play him,
and he's gonna get G League minutes,

1338
01:21:57,000 --> 01:22:00,520
which is like, I mean,
do you know who Tony Jones compared

1339
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:03,359
him to in our look Ahead?
Who he thinks that he could be the

1340
01:22:03,359 --> 01:22:09,880
next Jared Jackson Junior? What like
level defense? Here's the thing, I

1341
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:13,399
don't think that's like, I don't
think that's far off. Well, the

1342
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:15,079
Jazz sure is held don't agree because
if that were the case, there's no

1343
01:22:15,199 --> 01:22:18,079
chance you you bury him in the
G League. Well, they weren't giving

1344
01:22:18,359 --> 01:22:23,439
Jared Jackson Junior's offensive agency has changed
a lot over his career, and I

1345
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:26,800
think that's I struggled to see the
ball skills from taller Hendrix. Yeah,

1346
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:29,239
like two or three years ago,
I struggled to see the ball skills from

1347
01:22:29,319 --> 01:22:31,960
Jared Jackson junior. Yeah, okay, so you left Hendricks off. Who

1348
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:36,079
are your lad Who is your second
team? We have Asar and Aman Thompson

1349
01:22:36,359 --> 01:22:40,159
and then I also have Brandon Miller
on there, so we have over up

1350
01:22:40,199 --> 01:22:43,760
there. I have Chris Murray in
Portland. He's supposed to be NBA ready,

1351
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:46,199
and it's why wouldn't Portland play him
at the stage they're at? Is

1352
01:22:46,359 --> 01:22:49,840
because he helps them win games?
Is that what I'm just I found it

1353
01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:53,399
fascinating. I know they have Jeremy
Grant with t Sybel, but like this

1354
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:56,319
is a team that they should He
might need to be more of a pure

1355
01:22:56,359 --> 01:22:59,479
four than Keegan who can mocks and
wing minutes, but like Portland can find

1356
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:01,880
minutes for him. You don't need
to play Jabari Walker over Chris Murray.

1357
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:04,720
I would argue Chris Murray is a
little bit more important to your future.

1358
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:09,520
Yeah. At this point, I
have a big ass, gigantic blank spot

1359
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:13,119
in my final all rookie, and
I think I'm gonna default to Jaris Walker.

1360
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:15,680
He's don't trust it, but it
seems like there's going to be an

1361
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:19,880
opportunity there. Even if yelk Obi
Toppin and maybe Jalen Smith plays some four.

1362
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:24,119
He's predominantly used the backup five,
but they're gonna use him a bunch.

1363
01:23:24,279 --> 01:23:27,319
The defensive impact might be high.
They can carve out enough space and

1364
01:23:27,359 --> 01:23:30,119
get him to do some stuff in
the short role. I think that's the

1365
01:23:30,199 --> 01:23:35,039
right pick. What was weird is
I did not consider I wanted to pick

1366
01:23:35,039 --> 01:23:39,880
Olivia max Sens prosper after Kurt Henderson
really got me higher on him, but

1367
01:23:40,399 --> 01:23:43,720
I feel like it could work against
him playing on a Mavericks team where if

1368
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:45,279
they give him too much too soon, it looks awful or he just gets

1369
01:23:45,279 --> 01:23:49,079
buried eventually on a team that has
immediate aspirations. I did not even consider

1370
01:23:49,159 --> 01:23:54,359
Anthony Black. No, I realized
at the end of this, And I

1371
01:23:54,399 --> 01:23:58,359
don't think that's wrong. I think
like Grady Dick was higher on my list

1372
01:23:58,399 --> 01:24:00,760
than Anthony Black. Yeah, well
Grady Dick didn't play a bunch in the

1373
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:05,359
in the Raptors last preseason. Yeah. I opportunity. I mean this is

1374
01:24:05,399 --> 01:24:09,239
an opportunity award as much as anything, right, So that's why Walker.

1375
01:24:09,279 --> 01:24:11,880
I don't I don't love Jarris Walker. But he made my second team because

1376
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:15,159
I think, like the only guy
in this way really is Obie topping And

1377
01:24:15,359 --> 01:24:17,600
I don't think Toppin is gonna play
forty minutes a night, so Walker is

1378
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:21,239
gonna get the reps. I'm trying
to think of anyone else we we admitted

1379
01:24:21,359 --> 01:24:25,600
that deserves. I mean, this
is this is the biggest scrapshoot of all

1380
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:29,439
craps. Would like us to mention
some of the players that I mean,

1381
01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:33,560
he picked up Jail and Picket Hunter
Tyson. Those are guys that he probably

1382
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:39,279
expects to play and think are going
to be generational talents. But yeah,

1383
01:24:39,359 --> 01:24:43,079
coolball is gonna be really interesting.
I may regret him and Keyante George,

1384
01:24:43,279 --> 01:24:45,359
I think I like your first team
better than mine. Well that's all right,

1385
01:24:45,359 --> 01:24:47,319
I'm gonna I'm gonna see you could
make it. You can't to build

1386
01:24:47,359 --> 01:24:54,840
your first no positions, nothing,
Williams on all rookie is that allowed is

1387
01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:57,800
gonna be the first player to ever
sweep every major award? Yes or no?

1388
01:24:59,399 --> 01:25:00,880
Yeah, He'll get Defensive Player of
the Year, Executive of the Year,

1389
01:25:01,159 --> 01:25:04,680
and most improved Yeah, teammate,
Yeah, just all of it.

1390
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:09,119
That's it, right, that's all
I prepared. I hope you didn't expect

1391
01:25:09,159 --> 01:25:12,039
me to go Executive of the Year
because I haven't thought about it. No.

1392
01:25:12,119 --> 01:25:16,840
I mean, it feels like there's
Joe Cronin. Yeah, there's Brad

1393
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:19,119
Stevens. Took a lot of risk, but he could wind up being the

1394
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:26,439
pick. There's Will Dawkins, Will
Will Dawkins, Michael Winger, whoever gets

1395
01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:30,640
in Washington. They might actually be
my pick. They definitely had a heart.

1396
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:33,760
They had the hard job that I
think we both respect the most because

1397
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:36,359
it was overdue and it was the
right thing, the right thing, you

1398
01:25:36,399 --> 01:25:40,439
know, let's tear it down.
I'm trying to think, I mean,

1399
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:45,640
what about what about the Rob Polenka. I think a lot of people are

1400
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:48,520
gonna like the body of work with
the Lakers. I mean they didn't all

1401
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:51,319
the all their we liked all the
contracts they signed. Really, I mean,

1402
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:55,079
Ruey is a little like three for
fifty one might be a little too

1403
01:25:55,159 --> 01:25:59,680
much for him. But getting the
no trade Clausewave Ford lo was like,

1404
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:04,279
that's that's just a good smart move. The Reeves deal we love. Yeah,

1405
01:26:04,359 --> 01:26:06,840
I think he's got to be in
the conversation. You know, this

1406
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:12,279
might be people uncomfortable. There's like
a chance, a non zero chance it

1407
01:26:12,399 --> 01:26:17,560
ends up being Nico Harrison, Right, You're gonna have to talk to me

1408
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:20,560
about how that's I mean, sure
it's non zero, but like, what's

1409
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:26,359
the scene unless Derek Lively and Olivia
Max has prosper go bust immediately because they're

1410
01:26:26,399 --> 01:26:30,000
playing so much, and or Kyrie
Irving disappears halfway through the season. They

1411
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:32,960
had a really solid offseason, Like, if they're just better defensively, then

1412
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:36,640
we spect while maintaining the level of
offense. I'm not super high on the

1413
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:41,439
Magic, but uh, the magic
the Mavericks, but there's just I think

1414
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:45,680
it's a higher percentage chance he wins
it than I would have predicted like before

1415
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:48,000
the offseason. Yeah, I think
definitely. And they were the maps were

1416
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:51,399
operating from like a pretty tough spot, right, like, because you got

1417
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:55,680
Kyrie and you got to figure out
what the number in years, you know,

1418
01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:58,760
the dollars in years need to be
for this to be not completely insane,

1419
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:00,079
And I think they did about as
you know, three and what.

1420
01:27:00,159 --> 01:27:02,680
I don't remember the numbers, but
they didn't go all the way out as

1421
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:04,920
far as they could have. So
yeah, I think I think that's not

1422
01:27:05,159 --> 01:27:12,520
that's not what about them to get
John Horn getting game? Yeah yeah,

1423
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:16,960
taking the notebook though, So I
don't really think that helps. Oh we

1424
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:21,560
didn't even mention James Jones pulling off
to Bradley trading them. If they just

1425
01:27:23,159 --> 01:27:26,279
rip off like fifty nine victories,
you don't think that he wins it.

1426
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:30,319
That just the owner saying do whatever
it takes and then it's like, okay,

1427
01:27:30,359 --> 01:27:34,800
I guess we'll trade everything like that. But it was Bradley Beal chose

1428
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:38,880
the Suns and that enabled them to
do. But you were able to get

1429
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:42,920
Bradley Beal for just like what would
that package objectively, if you just put

1430
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:45,760
it on the market have gotten you. I have no idea that I mean

1431
01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:48,199
like that because it was such a
strange. Well, you know, we

1432
01:27:48,239 --> 01:27:51,199
got to credit him for the minimum
signings, right I think, Or maybe

1433
01:27:51,239 --> 01:27:56,600
we just credit the presence of Booker, Durant and Belle for the minimum signings

1434
01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:59,479
that the Sun's made. Yeah,
I think, yeah, right, I

1435
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:01,479
mean you would right, like maybe
if they make another mid season trade,

1436
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:04,439
but like I guess, if they're
like the best team in the West or

1437
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:09,840
something, you just have to point
to the the Jordan Poole stuff and getting

1438
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:14,479
Chris Paul would be I guess Houston. I'm not gonna, I mean,

1439
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:18,640
I'm gonna like gonna disqualify them based
off one very very notable move alone.

1440
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:25,159
But they did do enough to improve
the bottom like bottom line wins of their

1441
01:28:25,239 --> 01:28:28,479
team with Dylan Brooks, Red van
Fleet, Reggie Block. I still don't

1442
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:30,520
understand why he picked Houston. Well, didn't he get part of the biannual

1443
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:33,760
or something? So it's just a
minimum. It was just a minimum.

1444
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:36,359
I'll double check that now. But
I assume that he was gonna get like

1445
01:28:36,399 --> 01:28:41,560
I thought they had their room exception. But he should be on Milwaukee if

1446
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:44,079
it's if you're taking minimums, why
is he not on the Bucks? That's

1447
01:28:44,119 --> 01:28:46,039
crazy? And you know what I
realized too, if Milwaukee could have brought

1448
01:28:46,119 --> 01:28:49,760
back with West Matthews, we've got
to Kerry Stotts, West Matthews, Damian

1449
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:54,840
Lilla, Robin Lopez while back on
the same team again. Yeah, he's

1450
01:28:55,039 --> 01:28:58,119
the spot track has him as a
minimum. Okay, yeah, no,

1451
01:28:58,199 --> 01:29:00,119
that's that's good business. I don't
know why you uns certainly, I mean

1452
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:03,880
this, Maybe Houston's gonna try to
win forty games. Maybe that's just what

1453
01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:06,319
this is all about. Yeah,
they're not gonna I think that's it.

1454
01:29:06,359 --> 01:29:11,079
I don't think Indie didn't do anything
too drastic. We like their offseason,

1455
01:29:11,119 --> 01:29:15,359
but it's just the Bruce Brown move
basically, right, and then it's I'm

1456
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:18,239
like, the Timberwolves didn't do anything
like that would be a retroactive We can

1457
01:29:18,239 --> 01:29:23,920
not give the Timberwolves a positive What
about Zach Kleman of Memphis for the Marcus

1458
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:26,439
Smart move? Did they do anything
else or not? I mean, they

1459
01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:29,880
signed Derek Rose, it's not really
like a big deal. Not enough there

1460
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:33,680
extension though if that ends up looking
incredible. Yeah, we're a ways that.

1461
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:36,680
We're a ways down though, Like
there's definitely four or five guys that

1462
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:41,359
clearly I think have a better shot
at it than than the guys we're talking

1463
01:29:41,359 --> 01:29:47,880
about. Now. Well, then
that's it. That's enough stalling. Yeah,

1464
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:53,760
it is stat padding time. Grant. Can you start us off?

1465
01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:59,319
All right? Dan, I would
like you to tell me who had more

1466
01:29:59,359 --> 01:30:01,159
double double sorry, who had who
has the most? I was gonna do

1467
01:30:01,159 --> 01:30:05,359
more double doubles and I blew it. Dan, who has the most career

1468
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:14,079
ten assist games? I'm gonna give
you two choices, Russ Westbrook or Region

1469
01:30:14,159 --> 01:30:17,560
Rondo. I'm gonna say it has
to be Russ Westbrook. It is four

1470
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:25,000
o three to three thirty six.
Baron Davis or Ricky Rubio. Ooh,

1471
01:30:26,439 --> 01:30:31,600
I'm gonna say, Ricky Rubio,
you're close, but you're incorrect. Baron

1472
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:40,399
Davis options, You're gonna be close
on all of these. The right answer

1473
01:30:40,439 --> 01:30:44,439
will never be worse than your second
choice, all right, Trey Young or

1474
01:30:44,520 --> 01:30:47,720
Kyle Lowry. Trey Young. It
is Kyle Lowry. I feel like I

1475
01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:53,199
use Lowry on all these at some
point, Caia, you know that,

1476
01:30:53,319 --> 01:30:57,439
right? What's who? Lowry didn't
go to Santa Clara, Right, you

1477
01:30:57,439 --> 01:31:00,479
don't need to use him. He's
just always like, way higher up on

1478
01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:03,359
these all time lists than you think
because he's been around forever. He keeps

1479
01:31:03,359 --> 01:31:08,680
making it in Okay, more tennis
sist games in their career. Nicola Jokic

1480
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:12,800
or Jerry West. Jerry West,
that is correct, not close. One

1481
01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:18,880
eighty three to one forty seven,
Alan Iverson or Steph Curry. Steph Curry,

1482
01:31:19,159 --> 01:31:24,239
that's right. One thirty three to
one twenty seven. Dame or Larry

1483
01:31:24,239 --> 01:31:34,039
Bird. Ooh, Larry Bird,
it is Dame. I had to make

1484
01:31:34,079 --> 01:31:36,239
it the first guy I had three
in a row or the second guy,

1485
01:31:38,079 --> 01:31:43,680
So factor that into this last one. Kicking guy Dwayne Wade or Luka,

1486
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:49,319
Doncic, Dwayne Wade incorrect, it
is Luca one O four to ninety.

1487
01:31:50,039 --> 01:31:54,399
That's all I got for that one. We we should go to this one

1488
01:31:54,399 --> 01:31:58,399
because I have one that's similar.
Okay, dovetails with it nicely in so

1489
01:31:58,479 --> 01:32:01,720
far as people care about themes.
Well, there it's a four prong.

1490
01:32:01,880 --> 01:32:04,560
There's gonna be four different questions that
are along the same lines. But I

1491
01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:08,199
split him up and said, there's
two different ways that we're gonna approach this.

1492
01:32:08,439 --> 01:32:12,800
All right, So the approach pro
this multiple choice just like you did.

1493
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:16,039
All right? You ready? Yes? Which NBA player has more career

1494
01:32:16,079 --> 01:32:21,600
games with at least twenty five points
in tennis? Sis Steph Curry, Luka,

1495
01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:30,239
Doncic, Alan Iverson or Steve Nash. I'm gonna go ooh, I

1496
01:32:30,279 --> 01:32:34,439
almost said one. I'm just gonna
say Luca that is incorrect. He is

1497
01:32:34,520 --> 01:32:38,479
second. Alan Iverson is first.
That was my first guest. Dan,

1498
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:40,319
damn it, all right, you
were gonna say it, and I was

1499
01:32:40,319 --> 01:32:45,560
gonna be very impressed. Overthought it
which NBA player has more career games with

1500
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:50,039
at least twenty five points in Tennisis
Kobe Bryant, Baron Davis, Michael Jordan

1501
01:32:50,399 --> 01:32:56,840
or Jason Kidd Michael Jordan. That
is correct. I didn't think you were

1502
01:32:56,840 --> 01:32:59,600
gonna get that one. He has
also Jordan on there and have it be

1503
01:32:59,640 --> 01:33:02,239
the right answer, because that's always
well, it can't be Jordan. That's

1504
01:33:02,239 --> 01:33:05,840
too easy. Now this is where
I think it gets harder, but very

1505
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:11,680
Just see how you do. Okay, rank these NBA players by who has

1506
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:15,760
the most career games of at least
twenty five points in tennisis okay? D'aron

1507
01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:21,600
Fox, Drew Holliday, Kyrie Irving, Kyle Lowry, And if anyone can't

1508
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:25,760
catch on, I try to just
list them in alphabetical order so that there's

1509
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:28,800
a randomization, hopefully to the answers. But all right, I'm gonna go

1510
01:33:29,039 --> 01:33:33,960
Lowry one, Kyrie two. Who
are my other two guys? Uh,

1511
01:33:34,079 --> 01:33:40,319
d'aron Fox and Drew Holliday Fox,
then Holiday? Okay, so recap for

1512
01:33:40,439 --> 01:33:46,000
me, Lowry, Kyrie, Fox, Holiday. You got a couple spots,

1513
01:33:46,079 --> 01:33:49,960
right, but that's incorrect. Drew
Holliday is one reason I had him

1514
01:33:50,039 --> 01:33:56,600
last, Kyrie Irving at two thirty, Darn Fox at three twenty five,

1515
01:33:56,680 --> 01:33:59,800
and Kyle Lowry at four twenty.
All right, so I got Lowry right

1516
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:01,079
at first, and then it all
went to shit. Okay, that's a

1517
01:34:01,079 --> 01:34:04,079
good one. Now, Oh no, I did not. Drew was number

1518
01:34:04,079 --> 01:34:09,800
one. That's unbeievable. Now,
same thing. Ranked these NBA players by

1519
01:34:09,800 --> 01:34:13,840
who has the most career games of
at least twenty five points and tennis sists

1520
01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:19,119
Jannis, Devin Booker, Kevin Durant
and John Morant twenty five and ten,

1521
01:34:19,359 --> 01:34:27,960
Jannice, Booker, Jaw and Durant. Oh geezh okay, just said geez,

1522
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:30,119
by the way, you're causing me
to use profanity, not say shucks

1523
01:34:30,399 --> 01:34:36,920
shit, Golly, I'm gonna say
he's like it's Jannics Booker, KD.

1524
01:34:38,119 --> 01:34:41,880
I'll just say Jaw one. I
just saw all these guys. Are they

1525
01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:44,640
getting ten assists even though jaw has
been in the league for like ten minutes.

1526
01:34:45,239 --> 01:34:51,600
I'll go Jaw, Durant, Janice
Booker. You got Jannice and Booker,

1527
01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:56,479
right, So Kevin Durant is at
one with twenty five. Wow,

1528
01:34:57,119 --> 01:34:59,560
Jannice is at two with twenty four, So you actually got him wrong.

1529
01:34:59,560 --> 01:35:01,880
I apologie. It's like four,
is what you're saying. John Moran is

1530
01:35:01,880 --> 01:35:05,760
at third with twenty three. Devin
Booker's fourth at eighteen. All I knew

1531
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:11,960
was a Booker was last on that
list. Good job by me. Those

1532
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:14,079
were hard. I thought that was
an interesting way of doing it was hard.

1533
01:35:14,319 --> 01:35:17,159
Okay, all right, So I
have a which one doesn't belong for

1534
01:35:17,279 --> 01:35:21,560
you? This is you're gonna need
to tell me. I'm gonna list you

1535
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:26,840
four players, and you need to
tell me who did not win Rookie of

1536
01:35:26,840 --> 01:35:30,439
the Year. Thank you for doing
four and not five because five was so

1537
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:33,079
hard to cut up and they got
cut off on the screen. Socials.

1538
01:35:33,399 --> 01:35:36,720
Thank you for doing four. It
wasn't intentional, but you're very welcome.

1539
01:35:38,439 --> 01:35:42,279
All right. Your first group,
you need to tell me who did not

1540
01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:46,159
win Rookie of the Year. Damian
Lillard, Andrew Wiggins, Brandon Roy,

1541
01:35:46,520 --> 01:35:58,319
Anthony Edwards who did not win Rookie
of the Year. Brandon Roy, Anthony

1542
01:35:58,439 --> 01:36:00,560
Edwards did not win Rookie of the
Year. Can you remember who who got

1543
01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:08,279
it over? Anthony Edwards? Bonus
question Wamello correct? All right, next

1544
01:36:08,279 --> 01:36:13,920
grew one Anthony Davis, Tyreek Evans, Chris Paul, Grant Hill, who

1545
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:21,439
did not win Rookie of the Year. Oh my god, Chris Paul.

1546
01:36:23,159 --> 01:36:26,399
Chris Paul did win Rookie of the
Year. Anthony Davis did not win Rookie

1547
01:36:26,439 --> 01:36:30,359
of the Year. Can you remember
who won Rookie of the Year over Anthony

1548
01:36:30,479 --> 01:36:38,560
Davis? No, it wasn't,
proudly beal. It's Dame the same dram

1549
01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:42,640
class. That one threw me because
I that feels like they're different ages.

1550
01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:46,479
But but yeah, so Dame that
I should. I tried to keep most

1551
01:36:46,479 --> 01:36:50,319
of these pretty recent. They're all
like after two thousand, So all right,

1552
01:36:51,479 --> 01:36:55,720
who did not win Rookie of the
Year? John Wall, Derrick Rose,

1553
01:36:56,000 --> 01:37:04,600
Kevin Durant, Jason Kidd? Who
is it? John Wall, Kevin

1554
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:10,720
Durant, John Wall, and Derrick
Rose. You know Derrick Rose want it,

1555
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:13,600
so if you can roll him out, I know John Wall want it

1556
01:37:13,640 --> 01:37:16,439
too. So I'm gonna say,
Jason Kidd, do you Dan? Do

1557
01:37:16,520 --> 01:37:19,039
you know that John Wall want it? Did he not win? You didn't

1558
01:37:19,039 --> 01:37:23,520
whin it? Blake Griffin got him, which was the weird one because Blake

1559
01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:27,199
missed his whole first season. He
kind of Ben Simmons it, uh,

1560
01:37:27,239 --> 01:37:30,640
and was a because he won it
as like a red shirt rookie. I

1561
01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:32,720
have to do you have another one
of it? Two more? Okay,

1562
01:37:32,720 --> 01:37:34,840
I was gonna say, if I
go oh for, we absolutely need to

1563
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:40,720
cut this up just to shame me. So I've realized I kind of screwed

1564
01:37:40,720 --> 01:37:43,079
this one up because one of the
options is Blake Griffin, and I just

1565
01:37:43,119 --> 01:37:45,800
told you he did win Rookie of
the Year. So uh, next four

1566
01:37:45,039 --> 01:37:49,399
Blake Griffin, Scottie Barnes, LaMarcus, Aldridge, Elton Brand who did not

1567
01:37:49,479 --> 01:37:54,479
win Rookie of the Year. I
know Scotty wanted to people bad about that,

1568
01:37:54,520 --> 01:37:57,119
and you know Blake won. So
is it Aldridge or Elton Brand that

1569
01:37:57,199 --> 01:38:03,760
did not win Rookie of the Year. I'm gonna say, Aldridge you got

1570
01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:08,159
it. You got it. Brandon
Roy won it that year over Aldridge.

1571
01:38:08,199 --> 01:38:12,800
Elton Brand was a tie. Ties
you, by the way, Chris Paul,

1572
01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:15,159
I mean Jason Kidd and Grant Hill
were also a tie. So there's

1573
01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:18,319
getting extra Rookies of the Year in
here, all right. Last one who

1574
01:38:18,359 --> 01:38:23,880
did not win Rookie of the Year
a Mecca okaphor Dwight Howard, Steve Francis

1575
01:38:24,039 --> 01:38:28,800
or Mike Miller, we're reaching a
little farther back on this one. Dwight

1576
01:38:28,840 --> 01:38:36,920
Howard, Mike Miller, Steve Francis
or Mecca okafoor Oka four incorrect. Oka

1577
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:42,439
four did win it over Dwight Howard, which is like I look back at

1578
01:38:42,479 --> 01:38:45,159
the numbers and Oka four was like
I think fourteen and ten and Dwight was

1579
01:38:45,199 --> 01:38:48,640
like not quite that good, and
I think Dwight was maybe even third.

1580
01:38:48,680 --> 01:38:51,560
I can't remember what the voting was
that year, but that was like that

1581
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:55,680
blew my mind because in my head, Dwight Howard was just a freak,

1582
01:38:55,760 --> 01:39:00,439
like immediately but one to five that
might be our lowest hit rate of all

1583
01:39:00,439 --> 01:39:02,760
time. I think that's an indictment
on me picking one that's just too hard,

1584
01:39:02,840 --> 01:39:05,800
because no, I think that's an
indictment on my knowledge of this.

1585
01:39:06,479 --> 01:39:10,119
I didn't do much better on the
other one. Okay, you got got

1586
01:39:10,159 --> 01:39:13,479
some for me. I have a
couple others for you. Uh yeah,

1587
01:39:13,520 --> 01:39:15,239
so I have loved student. I
have three for you that fall into the

1588
01:39:15,239 --> 01:39:21,399
same category. Which NBA player has
made the most half court or deeper shots

1589
01:39:21,439 --> 01:39:30,039
for their career? Okay, Denny
Avdia, Daniel House Junior, Lebron James

1590
01:39:30,319 --> 01:39:34,359
or Kyle Lowry. It is obviously
Kyle Lowry because he always shoots those.

1591
01:39:34,680 --> 01:39:41,239
It is Denny Avdya with everyone else
had too Hey respect, though I think

1592
01:39:41,239 --> 01:39:43,439
it might be wrong. Lowerry might
be one of the guys that always just

1593
01:39:43,439 --> 01:39:45,560
eats it and doesn't shoot those on
purpose. Maybe I'm not thinking of the

1594
01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:50,640
right guy. Good for Abdia way
to get him up. Which NBA player

1595
01:39:50,680 --> 01:39:55,840
has made the most half court or
deeper shots Ray Allen, Jason Kidd,

1596
01:39:56,199 --> 01:40:02,560
Zach Randolph or Dwayne Wade. I'm
gonna say Wade. He is tied for

1597
01:40:02,600 --> 01:40:06,680
second with Kid with four. Zach
Randolph has five, right three, so

1598
01:40:06,680 --> 01:40:12,359
it's Zebo. Five is a lot
okay. Which NBA player has made the

1599
01:40:12,359 --> 01:40:16,840
most half court or deeper shots Jordan
Clarkson, Paul George, Kyrie Irving or

1600
01:40:16,920 --> 01:40:24,520
Kyle Kuzma. This is just such
a crap shoot. I keep picking the

1601
01:40:24,640 --> 01:40:27,560
last guy you list, and it
hasn't been right so far. So I'm

1602
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:30,680
gonna say Kyle Kuzma just to stick
with it and hope that I got you.

1603
01:40:30,680 --> 01:40:34,039
You are correct? Is Kyle Kuzma
with four, Paul George has two,

1604
01:40:34,199 --> 01:40:38,600
Clarkson and Kyrie have one. Sometimes
you gotta play the man, you

1605
01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:42,520
can't play the game. I just
I had to go in. Honestly,

1606
01:40:42,520 --> 01:40:45,319
I thought Zebo was gonna be the
one that you got because he was just

1607
01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:47,680
kind of like, oh, Zebo
in with the guys. Well, but

1608
01:40:47,720 --> 01:40:50,239
that could be read Harry Well how
it's in the first one, because I

1609
01:40:50,239 --> 01:40:54,439
was like, I can't include a
bunch of stars and Denny avia because Grant's

1610
01:40:54,439 --> 01:40:59,039
immediately gonna go, oh, it's
Danny Aviya. The psychology of these games

1611
01:40:59,039 --> 01:41:02,239
there's really reaching new levels where we're
trying to try to outsmart the guesser.

1612
01:41:02,319 --> 01:41:04,359
Okay, do you want to go
or do you want to do a couple

1613
01:41:04,600 --> 01:41:08,079
from me? Let's do a couple
from you? All right, Dan,

1614
01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:11,640
your life is on the line.
I don't want to do this one.

1615
01:41:12,600 --> 01:41:15,239
Opting out is not allowed. Life
on the line. The shot must be

1616
01:41:15,279 --> 01:41:21,279
made Stephen Curry left handed free throw
or DeAndre Jordan free throw? Do you

1617
01:41:21,319 --> 01:41:29,359
want DeAndre? Well, I don't
know, because so basically DeAndre would be

1618
01:41:29,439 --> 01:41:31,279
roughly a coin flip. So if
you think Steph is making more than half

1619
01:41:31,319 --> 01:41:33,840
of his lefty free throws, which
is probably a safe bet, I think

1620
01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:36,760
that's the correct answer. Yeah,
that's that's the I think that's an easily

1621
01:41:36,760 --> 01:41:42,560
correct answer. Okay, Uh,
Dan, your life is on the line.

1622
01:41:42,680 --> 01:41:46,479
The shot must be made a contested
Giannis corner three or a doubly contested

1623
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:51,920
Dame logo three. Ooh, doubly
contested Dame logo three. That's the only

1624
01:41:51,960 --> 01:41:55,880
answer, right, Especially I should
have said it was you know the clock

1625
01:41:56,000 --> 01:41:58,960
was running out too, and then
then you definitely go Dan that time.

1626
01:41:59,239 --> 01:42:01,680
All right, let's see. I
don't know how I credit this as a

1627
01:42:01,720 --> 01:42:05,960
life on the line, but you
okay, whatever life on the line to

1628
01:42:06,079 --> 01:42:09,760
kill me. This just a question. I'm just trying to add some stakes.

1629
01:42:10,520 --> 01:42:12,319
Okay, how about this. Your
life's not on the line, but

1630
01:42:12,359 --> 01:42:18,119
you are the lead executive of a
fictitious NBA team and you're putting together your

1631
01:42:18,119 --> 01:42:23,399
coaching staff. Uh do you put
Tom Thibodeau in charge of load management or

1632
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:32,239
Joe Miszula in charge of timeout usage? You must choose. I'm gonna put

1633
01:42:33,479 --> 01:42:38,239
Oh man, I'm gonna put Joe
Miszula in charge of timeout usage because that's

1634
01:42:38,279 --> 01:42:42,199
something given how early he isn't to
his head coaching career, that you can

1635
01:42:42,319 --> 01:42:45,600
learn. It's very clear how Tom
Dibodow is going to operate his You know

1636
01:42:45,640 --> 01:42:48,920
what you're getting into at the first
one. There's there's improvement possible in the

1637
01:42:48,920 --> 01:42:51,640
Missoula. Okay, that's all my
life on the lines for you. I

1638
01:42:51,680 --> 01:42:56,199
have some. I have an over
under that's really quick. But if you've

1639
01:42:56,199 --> 01:42:58,399
got some, I'll take them.
I have a couple more. Why don't

1640
01:42:58,439 --> 01:43:03,359
we wrap up yours? Okay?
Over under eight point five twenty five point

1641
01:43:03,399 --> 01:43:08,239
per game seasons for Victor Wembinyama.
So will he have nine of those?

1642
01:43:08,600 --> 01:43:12,000
Or will he have eight or fewer? And I will give you some context.

1643
01:43:12,119 --> 01:43:15,960
There have been eleven players that have
nine or more twenty five point per

1644
01:43:15,960 --> 01:43:20,239
game or more seasons. Okay.
That list of those eleven is lebron kd

1645
01:43:20,720 --> 01:43:25,439
Kobe, Karmelone, Michael Jordan,
Jerry West, Allen Iverson, Shaq,

1646
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:30,680
Dominique Wilkins, Kareem and Oscar Robertson. Does wem Benyama join that group as

1647
01:43:30,680 --> 01:43:34,039
a guy with nine plus twenty five
point per game seasons, I'll take the

1648
01:43:34,119 --> 01:43:38,399
over. I just feel like,
if you're gonna go all in on Wemby,

1649
01:43:38,399 --> 01:43:42,680
you gotta go all in on Wemby. I don't know what's boulder.

1650
01:43:42,680 --> 01:43:45,039
Are you saying that or me putting
him all defensive first team? Either way,

1651
01:43:45,079 --> 01:43:49,800
we've really covered the basis of web
Beinyama exuberance. So I think what

1652
01:43:49,800 --> 01:43:53,319
would I say? I think I'd
go over to or else? Why am

1653
01:43:53,359 --> 01:43:57,439
I asking this question? I think
I'd go over It's like twenty five isn't

1654
01:43:57,439 --> 01:44:01,439
what it used to be. If
he's ever just an okay three point shooter,

1655
01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:08,079
you know what I mean? Like
he's like an easy basket factory too,

1656
01:44:08,159 --> 01:44:10,680
just if they you know, as
he gets stronger, he's just gonna

1657
01:44:10,760 --> 01:44:14,319
there'll be so many more of those
offensive rebounds where he just doesn't jump but

1658
01:44:14,479 --> 01:44:16,319
has the ball on top of everyone
and just puts it in. Like you

1659
01:44:16,399 --> 01:44:19,880
get ten ten points a game on
that stuff alone. So yeah, all

1660
01:44:19,960 --> 01:44:23,680
right, we think Wemby's gonna be
good. That's that's a revelation. What

1661
01:44:23,720 --> 01:44:26,880
do you What do you got for
me? Uh So, here's an open

1662
01:44:26,960 --> 01:44:33,279
ended one. Okay, you can
erase throughout NBA history, one player's injury

1663
01:44:33,399 --> 01:44:36,840
track record. Who are you going
with? Oh? It's open ended?

1664
01:44:36,920 --> 01:44:44,479
Holy shit? Uh So the question
really is who who do I want to

1665
01:44:44,520 --> 01:44:46,800
see play their full career that did
not get a chance. Oh okay,

1666
01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:50,680
I think this may not be I
didn't maybe think about this enough and go

1667
01:44:50,800 --> 01:44:56,039
back far enough. But what about
Greg Odin because like number one pick over

1668
01:44:56,159 --> 01:45:00,880
Durant, like as a prospect,
arguably the best defensive big guy coming in

1669
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:02,880
in a really long time, and
just never got off the ground. I

1670
01:45:02,920 --> 01:45:05,680
think that's the first thing that occurs
to me, trying to think who else?

1671
01:45:05,680 --> 01:45:09,680
Maybe Derek Rose. Wouldn't that have
been fun? You know, if

1672
01:45:09,800 --> 01:45:14,920
if we'd gotten a full like athletically
he probably would have deteriorated and that would

1673
01:45:14,960 --> 01:45:17,479
have been But just give me the
natural athletic decline instead of the ACL right

1674
01:45:17,479 --> 01:45:20,359
away? Would do you have anybody
that comes to mind? I had to

1675
01:45:21,239 --> 01:45:26,039
Grant Hill might go down as one
of the greatest players of all time if

1676
01:45:26,039 --> 01:45:29,039
he's never injured, and the other
one, I know we ended up playing

1677
01:45:29,079 --> 01:45:30,800
eight seasons, but I just would
have been fascinated dealt with a lot of

1678
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:33,600
lower body stuff. Yeah, ming, yeah, he never gets injured.

1679
01:45:33,680 --> 01:45:38,079
Would have been someone I would have
been curtsy his career and unfortunately, feel

1680
01:45:38,119 --> 01:45:42,520
like we might be tracking in this
direction with Zione. Yeah, what about

1681
01:45:42,560 --> 01:45:45,039
I mean, going way back Bill
Walton was just like his back was ruined

1682
01:45:45,079 --> 01:45:50,520
pretty early, and he was he
was argued, I mean, unbelievable offensive

1683
01:45:50,520 --> 01:45:55,199
player. He was just good at
everything and then just couldn't stay healthy trying

1684
01:45:55,199 --> 01:45:58,359
to There's gotta be some other ones. Yeah, that's a good question.

1685
01:45:58,560 --> 01:46:01,680
Yeah, I bet I'd be curious
discord everybody in discord. If you're still

1686
01:46:01,680 --> 01:46:04,640
listening for some reason, throw them
in there. Brandon Roy is another one,

1687
01:46:04,640 --> 01:46:06,720
but he's not on the level of
most of the guys we mentioned.

1688
01:46:08,680 --> 01:46:14,359
Uh So, four NBA players all
in the prime of their ball handling skill

1689
01:46:14,439 --> 01:46:17,479
set. One of them, one
of their handles has to go. So

1690
01:46:17,479 --> 01:46:19,600
you're getting rid of one of them, you'll know it was. It's a

1691
01:46:19,720 --> 01:46:26,479
race from the NBA Lexicon, Okay, Steph Curry, Kyrie Irving, Alan

1692
01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:32,840
Iverson, Chris Paul. So,
is this like a question of what so

1693
01:46:32,920 --> 01:46:35,079
if I, let's say I'm not
saying I'm gonna do this, say I

1694
01:46:35,119 --> 01:46:39,880
take away Chris Paul's handle? Is
it like a question of how good is

1695
01:46:39,880 --> 01:46:43,399
he still? Or like what happens
to him or what happens to the NBA

1696
01:46:43,760 --> 01:46:45,479
as it has evolved, Like what
am I? What am I doing here?

1697
01:46:48,159 --> 01:46:53,399
I know this isn't the point of
these quick hitter by yourself time.

1698
01:46:53,720 --> 01:46:57,000
No, I just don't understand what's
happening. You're taking away somebody's handle.

1699
01:46:57,720 --> 01:47:00,760
Hey, Like, so here's okay, who would be we could frame it

1700
01:47:00,800 --> 01:47:06,159
this way? I'll rephrase it.
Who would be the best player from these

1701
01:47:06,199 --> 01:47:13,880
four if you took away their handles? Steph Curry, Alan Iverson, Chris

1702
01:47:13,960 --> 01:47:17,399
Paul or Kyrie Irving. It's got
to be Steph just because he still has

1703
01:47:17,439 --> 01:47:23,039
a premium skill left. I think
if he can't dribble at all, basically

1704
01:47:23,079 --> 01:47:27,119
he can still be the best off
ball shooting threat that the world has ever

1705
01:47:27,159 --> 01:47:30,199
known. So I think I would
I wouldn't want to do this, but

1706
01:47:30,279 --> 01:47:32,359
I think I got to take it
from him. I'd probably agree with you,

1707
01:47:32,439 --> 01:47:35,199
given the phrasing of that question that
I was not planning on framing it

1708
01:47:35,199 --> 01:47:40,079
as you didn't think you're going to
be forced in a quick hitter situation.

1709
01:47:40,479 --> 01:47:44,079
But he've never done the one of
these has to go. It's Steph Curry's,

1710
01:47:44,199 --> 01:47:47,399
Chris Paul's, Alan Iverson's or Tyrie
Irving's handles. Well, it's like

1711
01:47:47,399 --> 01:47:50,119
you're asking, like, okay,
you have to chop off the hand of

1712
01:47:50,159 --> 01:47:54,680
one NBA like what, like,
what how do I don't know nobody.

1713
01:47:54,720 --> 01:47:59,079
I don't want to take their handles
away. I think, so I have

1714
01:47:59,319 --> 01:48:01,600
one more for you before we get
into the guest that players that we have,

1715
01:48:01,720 --> 01:48:04,279
and I think I just lost it. So I might have I might

1716
01:48:04,359 --> 01:48:10,039
have zero for you. I don't
have any guests that players for you today.

1717
01:48:10,199 --> 01:48:12,880
That's fine because those embarrassed me.
Oh, here we are. And

1718
01:48:12,920 --> 01:48:16,720
this is inspired by something I saw
on Twitter. All six of these NBA

1719
01:48:16,840 --> 01:48:21,000
players are in their prime. Who
is coming off the bench, Okay,

1720
01:48:21,520 --> 01:48:28,560
Anthony Davis, Paul George, James
Harden, Kyrie Irving, Nikola Jokic or

1721
01:48:28,600 --> 01:48:36,560
Derreck Rose. Ooh, my first
thought was Paul George because you can use

1722
01:48:36,640 --> 01:48:42,039
him for anything if you wanted to. Okay, give me the names again,

1723
01:48:42,079 --> 01:48:46,279
because Jokic is starting a d is
starting well, George, James Harden,

1724
01:48:46,399 --> 01:48:49,880
Kyrie, Derrek Rose. Oh.
You know what, I think we're

1725
01:48:49,880 --> 01:48:53,960
too small if we have Kyrie and
Derek Rose in the backcourt together. So

1726
01:48:54,079 --> 01:49:01,479
I'm gonna bring I'm gonna bring in
their primes. You know what, I'm

1727
01:49:01,520 --> 01:49:04,840
gonna put Kyrie on the bench.
I changed my mind. I changed my

1728
01:49:04,880 --> 01:49:08,199
mind. We have to pick one
of the small guards, so Kyrie's on

1729
01:49:08,199 --> 01:49:12,840
the bench. So my lineup is
Rose, George, Jokich, Ad and

1730
01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:15,439
I forget the fifth guy. Can
we do? Do you have your award

1731
01:49:15,479 --> 01:49:19,960
still pulled up so we could do
quick fire those just in case y quick

1732
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:27,039
fire NBA twenty four Awards picks Coach
of the Year. My Coach of the

1733
01:49:27,119 --> 01:49:30,640
Year is Joe Missoula. I'm going
with Quinn Schnyder in Atlanta. Rookie of

1734
01:49:30,680 --> 01:49:34,600
the Year. Rookie of the Year
is Wemby. Easy Easy Wemby as well,

1735
01:49:34,800 --> 01:49:39,199
sixth Man of the Year. Uh, you made me pick one,

1736
01:49:39,279 --> 01:49:42,960
so I'm gonna go Derek White over
Drew Holliday. I'm gonna go with Derek

1737
01:49:43,000 --> 01:49:46,520
White over the field and not for
Holiday. Most Improved Player, the one

1738
01:49:46,560 --> 01:49:51,439
and only Jalen Williams going with Evan
Mobley Defensive Player of the Year. I'm

1739
01:49:51,439 --> 01:49:55,600
going with Evan Mobley for this one. I'm also going with Evan Mobley for

1740
01:49:55,640 --> 01:49:59,279
this one. Finally, who wins
MVP. It's boring, but it's Jokic.

1741
01:49:59,359 --> 01:50:01,479
I just feel that's the safest pick. It's Yolkis for me as well.

1742
01:50:02,199 --> 01:50:05,800
Okay, let me bring up Rubik
scals. Guess that players will do

1743
01:50:05,920 --> 01:50:10,640
only a couple because we've gone for
so long today and we'll have plenty in

1744
01:50:10,680 --> 01:50:14,600
the bank if we do that.
So I am looking at many of these

1745
01:50:14,640 --> 01:50:18,800
for the first time, so this
will be interesting, all right, Grant,

1746
01:50:19,279 --> 01:50:24,159
Are you ready? Nope? Go
ahead, okay. Clue number one,

1747
01:50:24,840 --> 01:50:29,920
I am the only player to have
led NC DOUBLEA Division one in rebounding

1748
01:50:29,960 --> 01:50:35,079
for three consecutive years. Clue number
two. I was drafted forty seventh overall

1749
01:50:35,119 --> 01:50:40,600
by the Utah Jazz and led all
rookies in double doubles that year with six.

1750
01:50:42,880 --> 01:50:46,279
Clue number three. I have played
for five NBA teams, the Jazz

1751
01:50:46,479 --> 01:50:50,840
Team X, the Nuggets, NETS, and seventy six ers, but I've

1752
01:50:50,880 --> 01:50:56,600
only ever been traded once. What
does TAMX suppose the signal to me?

1753
01:50:57,479 --> 01:51:00,079
Uh? It was too easy of
a giveaway. That's why it's Oh what,

1754
01:51:00,319 --> 01:51:04,239
okay? All right? Got any
more? Yeah? Clue number four,

1755
01:51:04,439 --> 01:51:10,199
I've made the conference finals three times
with the Jazz TX and the Nuggets,

1756
01:51:10,720 --> 01:51:17,840
losing once to Tim Duncan and twice
to Lebron The Jazz. I'm gonna

1757
01:51:17,840 --> 01:51:23,680
give you TX on this one.
Okay, I have four, Paul mi

1758
01:51:24,359 --> 01:51:27,600
it is Paul millsapp Nice job.
I almost had it at the rebounding one

1759
01:51:27,640 --> 01:51:30,760
because I weirdly remembered that. Okay, The other clues were I have four

1760
01:51:30,800 --> 01:51:33,520
consecutive All Star selections, all for
tex and then you would have gotten it

1761
01:51:33,720 --> 01:51:38,279
if I included team Atlanta Hawks when
I'm beaten for an entire month and they're

1762
01:51:38,279 --> 01:51:42,800
starting five was named Conference player of
the morning. Okay, Oh, we

1763
01:51:42,880 --> 01:51:45,479
got there. That was a good
one. Ready for the next one,

1764
01:51:45,640 --> 01:51:50,720
yep? Uh. Clue Number one. I have led the league in three

1765
01:51:50,720 --> 01:51:57,079
point percentage once, and I hold
the NBA single season record for three throw

1766
01:51:57,159 --> 01:52:01,399
percentage ninety eight point one percent.
Nobody else has even made ninety six percent

1767
01:52:01,399 --> 01:52:08,159
of their free throws in a season. Is this abdul ro roof? Uh?

1768
01:52:09,039 --> 01:52:13,399
No, it's not so clode Number
two. Surprisingly, I don't have

1769
01:52:13,479 --> 01:52:15,720
the longest streak of made free throws
without a miss. I'm second on the

1770
01:52:15,760 --> 01:52:19,039
list with eighty seven made free throws. The record is ninety seven. Oh

1771
01:52:19,439 --> 01:52:27,319
uh is this Jose Calderon correct?
Nice? Yeah? This one looks like

1772
01:52:27,319 --> 01:52:30,119
a quick ones. Let's do one
more. You up for it? I'm

1773
01:52:30,159 --> 01:52:33,800
hot right now, Let's go from
Rubik's galleon Discord random trivia question. Only

1774
01:52:33,840 --> 01:52:40,600
fourteen players have won greater than seventy
percent of their regular season games that they

1775
01:52:40,600 --> 01:52:44,840
have played in minimum of five hundred
games played. They have all played for

1776
01:52:44,960 --> 01:52:50,359
one of these three dynasties except one
guy the Showtime Lakers, Magic Johnson and

1777
01:52:50,399 --> 01:52:59,039
Michael Cooper. Two the Bill Russell
era Celtics had Casey Jones, Tom Tommy

1778
01:52:59,119 --> 01:53:04,039
Heinzone, Bill Russell, Sam Jones, Frank Ramsey, Jim Lusketoff. And

1779
01:53:04,159 --> 01:53:09,760
three the Tim Duncan Eerspurs had Manu, Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, Kawhi

1780
01:53:09,800 --> 01:53:14,119
Leonard and Danny Green. Who is
the only player with a career win percentage

1781
01:53:14,159 --> 01:53:18,199
greater than seventy who hasn't played for
the Duncan Eraspurs, the Showtime Lakers or

1782
01:53:18,239 --> 01:53:24,840
the Bill Russell Celtics. Holy cow, that's impossible. So won a ton

1783
01:53:24,840 --> 01:53:28,319
of games? What was never in
any of those dynasties? He I'll give

1784
01:53:28,319 --> 01:53:30,600
you two more clues that aren't in
there, but they're in the answer.

1785
01:53:30,960 --> 01:53:35,000
Played in eight hundred and ninety seven
career games. Okay, winning percentage of

1786
01:53:35,039 --> 01:53:40,520
seventy three point six percent. Wow. I will also give you another club

1787
01:53:40,560 --> 01:53:42,560
because I feel like this is way
too hard, but I love it.

1788
01:53:44,800 --> 01:53:50,920
I will The franchise that he was
on is one of those three franchises that

1789
01:53:50,960 --> 01:53:57,479
we just went through, Lakers,
Spurs or Celtics. Okay, huh so

1790
01:53:57,520 --> 01:54:01,279
who played a ton of games,
probably for like the one of the Lakers

1791
01:54:01,560 --> 01:54:14,199
three peat seasons? Is it?
Oh? God? Is it? Is

1792
01:54:14,239 --> 01:54:18,880
it? Derek Fisher? If I
told you he was a Celtic, just

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won a ton of games as a
Celtic, but wasn't in any of those?

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Well? Is it? Bird?
Okay? Okay? Yeah? The

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games was tough because I didn't know
how many he was hurt. A surprised

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he had that many games, to
be honest, Yeah, that that was

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what I wasn't. I mean,
it had to be him if it was

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going to be a Celtic, I
guess unless like like Antoine Walker snuck in

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there somehow. No. Okay,
oh, those were good ones. Thank

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you again, scal We have a
bunch more from her that we will get

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to as time goes on. Grant, I hope everyone enjoys two hour podcasts.

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Hey, you know, it's it's
the this is the getting down to

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the end of the preseason content,
so pretty soon we'll just have more topical

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stuff to do. But everyone who
made it this far, thank you for

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doing so. Thank all of you
in advance for stuffing the ballot box for

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every award so Jalen Williams wins them
all. I'm just like, I'm gonna

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stop being rational about any of this, not that I ever started. I

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just think he walks on water is
the best justification ever. He's more God

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than man. So thanks again.
If you have not already rated, reviewed,

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subscribed, followed, please do all
that stuff with the written reviews.

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As Dan said, really help us
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tell your enemies. Check out our
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you can get the link to that, and basically everything else we ask

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you to do is in the YouTube
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there, And get ready for the
season. We're getting close. That's gonna

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be exciting, so continue to stick
with us as we get into in season

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content. We close, as always
with a shout out to the one only

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Franklin Lakeina and an apology to Jared
Allen