1 00:00:03,839 --> 00:00:12,919 Welcome to Fantasy Hockey Life, presented by fan Tracks. Here's your source of 2 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:17,160 information and analysis to help you win your fantasy hockey league. Block Off has 3 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:23,359 a step hit on staylock Block. Here's your hosts, Jesse Souvier and Victor 4 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:29,000 Nuno Fantasy Hockey lie back once again. I am Jesse Severe from fan Tracks 5 00:00:29,039 --> 00:00:34,039 and across the wire. For me, it is from EP ringside, the 6 00:00:34,079 --> 00:00:38,960 Fantasy Hockey Doctor and the zucker Puncher, Victor Nuno. How you doing, 7 00:00:39,079 --> 00:00:44,840 Victor? I feel like I got zucker punched back because the flu is kicking 8 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,920 my butt right now. I'm a little into the weather. My note my, 9 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,359 my voice sounds a little funny. I apologize, but I'm here and 10 00:00:51,439 --> 00:00:55,119 I'm excited to talk a talk. You plan a lot of this episode, 11 00:00:55,159 --> 00:00:58,880 Jesse, so I'm looking forward and reacting to what well we got planned for 12 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:00,359 this one. Yeah. Man, We've got a lot of things going. 13 00:01:00,439 --> 00:01:03,599 But you know what you bite, Jason Zucker bites back, and he does 14 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:08,000 it mysterious ways, Victor, sometimes through flu bugs. And but you're gonna 15 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,920 do the flu game. You're gonna do the Michael Jordan today and play through 16 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,519 this one. So I think it's gonna be good. Oh, Victor, 17 00:01:15,799 --> 00:01:19,480 it is getting to be Thanksgiving time. I know I've got family coming into 18 00:01:19,519 --> 00:01:25,200 town. We're gonna be eating some stuffing. I will completely lose whatever ground 19 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:30,680 I have been doing, trying to get down from double excel to excel this 20 00:01:30,799 --> 00:01:34,439 weekend or excel to l whatever it is. But how about you. You 21 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:40,640 got cool things planned? Yeah, part of our family is going to celebrate 22 00:01:40,719 --> 00:01:42,680 together, but because we have some illness in the family, so they're gonna 23 00:01:42,719 --> 00:01:46,920 kind of quarantine together, so we're not part of that. We'll celebrate with 24 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,079 some of them later. So it's gonna be a little different Christmas. I 25 00:01:49,079 --> 00:01:53,480 think we're actually Thanksgiving And that was a freudiing slid because I think we're actually 26 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,879 gonna go get our tree on Thanksgiving, which is not something I usually support. 27 00:01:56,959 --> 00:02:01,480 I usually wait until after Thanksgiving, but we don't really have the usual 28 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:05,280 Thanksgiving plans, so we're like, you know what, We're just gonna go 29 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,400 get our tree and basically move things along because we're going to be out of 30 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,560 town for Christmas too, so get in the mood a little early so we 31 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:15,599 can enjoy those festivities. You may as well. You may as well. 32 00:02:15,719 --> 00:02:17,879 Yeah, and if you didn't catch that. Folks, You're like, wait 33 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:22,199 a minute, Thanksgiving is way over. What is wrong with you people? 34 00:02:22,199 --> 00:02:24,199 We're recording this a little early because we got a little travel going. Victor 35 00:02:24,199 --> 00:02:27,360 and I are nott a verse of that, because you know what, this 36 00:02:27,479 --> 00:02:32,120 is a Dynasty Fantasy Hockey podcast. Time doesn't matter here. Time is eternal 37 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:37,280 prospects to develop, and they don't develop over the course of two games, 38 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,319 so we're allowed to do that, Victor. If people really want to be 39 00:02:40,439 --> 00:02:45,520 with us or with the Fantasy Hockey crew in real time, the place they 40 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,879 can do that is by joining the discord, and we get man, we 41 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,080 get a couple three people, it seems every week coming in who say they've 42 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,240 been listening, and I always really appreciate those. Usually only one of the 43 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:59,479 two of us writing back. But if you have sent an email and said 44 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,159 that you like the show and that you'd like to be a part of that 45 00:03:01,199 --> 00:03:05,719 discord, I just want to give thanks for you right now, because that 46 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,960 really is gratifying and humbly every time those things come in, and I'm glad 47 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:13,400 to have more people join in the conversation. It is free to join our 48 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,479 discord. You just need a link because that's how discords work. And basically 49 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,919 it's a big old chat room. If you haven't been in a discord before, 50 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,159 it's free. The app doesn't cause anything. It is a different app 51 00:03:23,199 --> 00:03:28,240 from the website that it runs great on mobile and there's just chat rooms and 52 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,479 it's a little less chaotic and you don't have to do a big post and 53 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,520 then click post and then wait for somebody to quote your post. It's more 54 00:03:34,599 --> 00:03:39,039 conversational going back and forth. So people should join that by emailing Fantasy Hockeylife 55 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,840 at gmail dot com Victor and I can send you the link to get in 56 00:03:43,199 --> 00:03:49,120 or hitting us up in our XDMS at fan Hockey Life is me at Victor 57 00:03:49,199 --> 00:03:53,560 Newnio twelve is Victor. If people want to get the next level of experience 58 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:57,719 Victor, they can join the Patreon And you've got a few things to say 59 00:03:57,719 --> 00:04:01,719 about that, don't you. Indeed, so lots of cool things over at 60 00:04:01,719 --> 00:04:05,560 the Patreon. We just had a Patreon cast talking about salary, cap leagues 61 00:04:05,599 --> 00:04:12,560 and different values there. And there's obviously the rankings which are really useful. 62 00:04:12,599 --> 00:04:15,680 You can get hits, blocks and shot tiers in there, and you can 63 00:04:15,719 --> 00:04:20,000 get extra things like the Patreon Priority channel and roster doctors. You can take 64 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:24,439 a look at your team and help you figure out what exactly the direction you 65 00:04:24,439 --> 00:04:27,040 need to go, moves you might want to make. So those are some 66 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,959 nice bonuses. And of course you can plain in the Tidy the tier Dynasty, 67 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,319 which we're not going to have a segment on this episode of Tidy Takes, 68 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,639 but we do that often and it's a great league. So you can 69 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:41,079 check all that out at patreon dot com slash Fantasy Hockey Life. Yeah, 70 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,920 and you know what, we talk about Tidy on the show. And I 71 00:04:43,959 --> 00:04:46,839 think I've said this before, and I'm sorry if this sounds defensive, but 72 00:04:46,319 --> 00:04:50,079 the reason we talk about Tidy on the show is that people can talk about 73 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:55,040 dynasty trades. They could just randomly ask questions, but in the Tidy we 74 00:04:55,079 --> 00:04:58,040 have the context. We have a lot of players who are interested in listening. 75 00:04:58,199 --> 00:05:01,720 But really it's just analysis of dynasty leagues, right, It's just it 76 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,600 actually is a concrete example of a dynasty league. And we know many of 77 00:05:05,639 --> 00:05:11,000 our listeners are listening to But for today, what we're going to do is 78 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,040 something else. As Victor said, and I'll tell you all about it right 79 00:05:14,079 --> 00:05:23,439 after the break. We're back, and one of the things Victor and I 80 00:05:23,519 --> 00:05:27,759 give things for every year is rookies. We love us some rookies. We're 81 00:05:27,759 --> 00:05:30,920 always talking about prospects, We're always talking about guys coming up, and today 82 00:05:31,079 --> 00:05:35,680 it will be no exception. We're not digging into a specific group of miners. 83 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:41,279 Instead, we're really talking about guys today who are already in the NHL 84 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:46,480 and what we're going to make of them going forward. And in our first 85 00:05:46,519 --> 00:05:50,800 segment, what I've done is I've run some stats from Hockey Reference from stadhead 86 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:57,120 if you're aware of that function, where you can actually run some interesting reports 87 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:02,639 on hockey players. And what I have done is run fantasy hockey rookies going 88 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:09,439 back to twenty ten and tried to figure out who scored the most for fantasy 89 00:06:09,439 --> 00:06:13,720 purposes and for fantasy purposes four point five points for a goal, three for 90 00:06:13,759 --> 00:06:17,199 an assist, and point five for shot hit in block. I don't have 91 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,720 the power play points. You know what power play points are overrated as far 92 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,319 as I'm you know what, Victor, I'll get into that later. But 93 00:06:24,399 --> 00:06:29,800 anyway, what I've done is I've pro rated guys who at least had twenty 94 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,600 five points in all years prior to this one over eighty two games. If 95 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,439 they had played an eighty two game season, how many Fantasy points in that 96 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:41,680 format would they have had? And then guys from this year, we've got 97 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:45,279 teams that have played like sixteen games, teams that have played around that time 98 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:47,800 right now, and I said they had to play at least seven games. 99 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,360 I don't need a guy who played one game and I'm trying to project that 100 00:06:51,519 --> 00:06:57,839 or eighty two games because sample sizes are already too small. But nonetheless, 101 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:02,360 let's just see where some of our our rookies fall out. So I've run 102 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:09,120 a list of the top thirty. I'm gonna rattle through in order. Who 103 00:07:09,199 --> 00:07:11,720 has had the most points? Think in your head, who do you think 104 00:07:11,879 --> 00:07:16,480 in their rookie year for fantasy purposes, if they had played a full eighty 105 00:07:16,519 --> 00:07:21,079 two at the pace that they played in prior to this year. Guys who 106 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:27,199 have played a lot, how would they rank up? How would they were 107 00:07:27,199 --> 00:07:30,839 acting stack? So here is what we find. First the very top of 108 00:07:30,879 --> 00:07:35,319 the list, Victor, my seven game arbitrary cutoff comes into play because we 109 00:07:35,399 --> 00:07:41,720 have the biggest outlier. Martin Paspacil of the Calgary Flames. The twenty four 110 00:07:41,839 --> 00:07:46,040 year old rookie is actually pro rated as the number one rookie for the last 111 00:07:46,439 --> 00:07:50,600 fourteen years, everybody just turned off the segment because this completely eliminated their ability 112 00:07:50,639 --> 00:07:55,360 to comprehend it. That's the one real exception, but from then on, 113 00:07:55,519 --> 00:07:59,079 but it does give you a sense of how freaking hot he has gotten off 114 00:07:59,079 --> 00:08:01,680 to and part of that, folks in seven games in his first seven games, 115 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:07,480 five points, twenty two hits, twenty one shots. That is insane. 116 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,040 If you think about that, he is if you picked him up off 117 00:08:11,079 --> 00:08:15,879 the wire, you are burning it up. After that, your instinct may 118 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:20,519 be true. Connor Van Dart is the number two rookie. He is pacing 119 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,839 ahead of every other rookie since twenty ten. Over his first sixteen games, 120 00:08:24,839 --> 00:08:28,639 he's practically a point per game. And that will do it. That will 121 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,960 do it. And he's got reasonable hits. He's got all kinds of three 122 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:37,399 shots a game, that type of the thing. Then we got Gabriel Landeskog, 123 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,240 he of the two hundred and nineteen hits and fifty two points in his 124 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:46,159 rookie season. That'll do it too. And then I'll just rattle through the 125 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:50,080 rest of these. Patrick Lyoney, Austin Matthews, Carillkapriesaw, Brady Kuchuk, 126 00:08:50,759 --> 00:08:58,440 Brock Besser, Connor McDavid, Logan Coochure. That's the top ten eleven to 127 00:08:58,519 --> 00:09:03,200 twenty Tanners you know comes in at number eleven, Jake Gensel, Philip Forsberg, 128 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:07,000 Elias Petterson, more at cider Are, Timmy Panerin of course he came 129 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:11,000 in at age twenty four, Andres Pallatt, Matthew Barzaw, Nathan McKinnon, 130 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:16,360 cal mccarr. Then we're going to have from twenty one to thirty two more 131 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:22,240 rookies from this year. Connors Zerry is coming in at number twenty one. 132 00:09:22,279 --> 00:09:24,519 He's a point per game, almost two shots, and he has a little 133 00:09:24,519 --> 00:09:28,840 bit of periffs on top of that. He would come out almost identical to 134 00:09:28,039 --> 00:09:33,480 cal mccarr and just ahead of Jason Robertson. Then you got Jeff Skinner, 135 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:37,200 of course, he had thirty one goals his rookie season, anders Lee Matt 136 00:09:37,279 --> 00:09:43,000 Boldie, who really he did better than you may think in his official rookie 137 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:48,120 season. Ridley Greek is number twenty six, Somash Hurtle, Trevor Zegris, 138 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:54,200 Brendan Gallagher and Michael Bunting. Okay, just a couple of thoughts on that, 139 00:09:54,519 --> 00:09:56,720 and then I'm just going to give Victor a chance to react if there's 140 00:09:56,759 --> 00:10:01,000 anything that stands out to him on that list. Tanners, you knows, 141 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:07,519 hittastic rookie year carried him to the number eleven spot. Remember three hundred and 142 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,759 eighteen hits. Stop and think about that for a man. Almost four hits 143 00:10:09,759 --> 00:10:13,919 a game and half a point for this guy, his rookie season didn't matter 144 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:18,600 that he only had a shot and a half. It's really unsurprising. It's 145 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:20,360 not that far ago. If you were playing in a points league, or 146 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:24,360 lord knows, if you're playing in a categories league, you probably have fond 147 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:28,720 memories if you happen to pick up Tanner's his rookie season, because he was 148 00:10:28,759 --> 00:10:33,200 just extraordinary but amazing. When we really put this in context of a fantasy 149 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:37,279 scoring system, how high he plays. This probably if you did add in 150 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,000 power points, he would power play points, he would drop a bit. 151 00:10:39,919 --> 00:10:45,679 And then let's assume Paspacil drops off but Badard keeps it up. That would 152 00:10:45,759 --> 00:10:48,679 probably mean Connor McDavid's rookie year ends up sliding in at number eight on this 153 00:10:48,759 --> 00:10:52,960 list. That is not something I would have expected. Thanks a lot Brandon 154 00:10:54,039 --> 00:10:56,039 Manning for taking Connor McDavid out for a good part of his rookie year, 155 00:10:56,080 --> 00:11:01,200 and I think that was part of it. Was it just clavigal was his 156 00:11:01,279 --> 00:11:05,120 shoulder was broken or is something along those lines. When McDavid is a rookie, 157 00:11:05,639 --> 00:11:07,720 I think that slowed him down, but obviously it did not slow down 158 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:13,679 his reputation or his long term future in the National Hockey leaguacy. He scored 159 00:11:13,759 --> 00:11:16,840 over a point per game, and I am projecting that out over eighty two 160 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,679 games that rookie year. But of course Connor McDavid not a big bash guy. 161 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:26,000 He two shots and really negligible hits and blocks his rookie year, even 162 00:11:26,039 --> 00:11:31,679 though he was scoring to beat all. Those are some of the initial observations. 163 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:33,679 If you want the full list, folks, this is one of the 164 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:35,759 things if you're a patron, you get to see the whole show sheet and 165 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:41,960 you can see this. So this first reaction the top thirty fantasy rookies from 166 00:11:43,159 --> 00:11:50,279 the past what thirteen fourteen years? Any reactions to this list. Victor Martin 167 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:54,279 Pasposol is definitely going to fall off. I would say, he does not 168 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:58,519 have the track record, and I think everyone who's looking at this situation knows 169 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:03,360 that he is. It's great what he's doing right now. But there's another 170 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,679 flame later on the list, Connor's Airy, who I would say is for 171 00:12:07,799 --> 00:12:13,240 real. This guy looks amazing and he's someone. Actually, my next article 172 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,720 is going to be on Connor's area, so I'll say a lot of my 173 00:12:15,759 --> 00:12:18,080 thoughts for that next ep ring side article, which we'll probably talk about at 174 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:22,159 some point later on the show. But Connors are for real and Martin Paspasoli 175 00:12:22,279 --> 00:12:26,600 ride that train, but don't be afraid to drop him if he cools off, 176 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:31,440 or if he expires his games play limit or whatever the case may be. 177 00:12:31,159 --> 00:12:37,679 And yeah, Badard is I saw something online about the impact of forwards 178 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:43,440 on their team and basically using like expected goals and things like that, Martin 179 00:12:43,519 --> 00:12:50,200 and Badard is literally the most valuable player right now, and that's incredible considering 180 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:54,519 how young and how bad Chicago is. So that's impressive. So there's some 181 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,159 interesting things here. I think, Yeah, that Geno season really stood out, 182 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,240 and how much he's fallen off. Then the change in scenery and opportunity 183 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:07,320 have certainly impacted him greatly, so that was pretty interesting. Obviously, some 184 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:11,279 other cool things like that, some of the only a couple defensemen on this 185 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,600 list, with Cider and mccarr. That first season for Cider was just so 186 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:18,440 good. And Greg is another one that does surprise me. I think we 187 00:13:18,759 --> 00:13:22,399 talked about him with David Saint Louis and yeah, he's just someone who he 188 00:13:22,519 --> 00:13:26,000 just always seems to be there, even though you you know, you might 189 00:13:26,039 --> 00:13:30,600 think not or you might not like some things about his game. He just 190 00:13:30,639 --> 00:13:33,679 wills his way and that's something a guy will talk about later has in common 191 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:37,639 with him too. But yeah, some really good plays. Poor Brendan Gallagher, 192 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,720 I know, one of your favorites, he's really falling off. And 193 00:13:41,799 --> 00:13:45,840 Michael Bunting that was, Yeah, that was such a thing, and his 194 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,639 situation has really changed too. So a lot of these guys have become superstars, 195 00:13:48,639 --> 00:13:52,600 and a lot of them got traded right after and so that kind of 196 00:13:52,639 --> 00:13:58,080 completely changed the trajectory of their production. And I think that's you never really 197 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:03,000 know what could happen if they'd stayed there for sure. Now, why don't 198 00:14:03,039 --> 00:14:07,399 we go on and we can talk about a couple of the defenseman who pop 199 00:14:07,519 --> 00:14:11,600 up on this list early on. It's not fair to compare it defenseman too 200 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:16,080 forwards and we know they're just a completely separate track. So let's talk about 201 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:20,639 the top thirty defenseman rookies over the years. I wonder before I say them, 202 00:14:20,919 --> 00:14:24,679 who you would have in that group. All right, let's go through 203 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,639 them. You already heard more at Cider Cale mccarr. We're the top two 204 00:14:28,799 --> 00:14:35,080 that actually came out in the top thirty overall. Then we've got Ryan Pulott 205 00:14:35,159 --> 00:14:37,519 Victor. Now, I get why you had him on all your teams a 206 00:14:37,519 --> 00:14:39,200 couple of years ago, and I had him on a bunch of teams too, 207 00:14:39,279 --> 00:14:45,879 because before the arrival of why am I spacing off on the No ADOPSID? 208 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:50,759 Yeah, before No Adoptsin's arrival, it looked like maybe he would fall 209 00:14:50,759 --> 00:14:54,639 into that dominant spot. And he's still only twenty three years old. No, 210 00:14:56,279 --> 00:15:00,279 he was twenty three as a ROOKIEE. Then we've got PK Subano four, 211 00:15:00,679 --> 00:15:05,360 Shane Gosta Spare. Remember how amazing that guy's rookie season was and it 212 00:15:05,399 --> 00:15:09,080 really it started so hot. Yeah, like he was a dang league winner. 213 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,879 If you had him early on, or he was taking you to an 214 00:15:11,919 --> 00:15:15,559 early undefeated record and had to head and you had to hang on for dear 215 00:15:15,639 --> 00:15:20,320 life. But whatever. Jacob Truba number six, he was that good in 216 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:24,440 Winnipeg back in twenty thirteen fourteen. Travis Hamminik. Travis Hamminick, now this 217 00:15:24,559 --> 00:15:28,759 is one of those guys. Twenty six points in sixty two games, but 218 00:15:28,039 --> 00:15:33,320 he had almost two blocks and two hits and two shots a game, So 219 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:37,759 he was a bash master his rookie year back in twenty ten eleven. Then 220 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:43,120 Zach Warenski. Now we have our third rookie. Pavel Minschikov is number nine 221 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:48,360 based on his first eighteen games in the NHL, and that's based on ten 222 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:54,000 points in his first eighteen games, getting toward two shots a game and about 223 00:15:54,039 --> 00:15:58,919 one and a half hits and about one block a game, so that would 224 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,480 pro rate. If he goes out a whole season, he would be a 225 00:16:02,519 --> 00:16:07,440 top ten defenseman rookie in the last ten years. That's pretty amazing. Then 226 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:12,600 we got Charlie McAvoy, Nikita Zeitsev again the bash was just insane for him 227 00:16:12,679 --> 00:16:18,799 as a rookie. Colton Perreco, Aaron Eckblad, Yvonne Probarov, John Klingberg. 228 00:16:18,159 --> 00:16:23,440 Now small sample sized theater begins. Kayden Korshak of the Vegas Golden Knights, 229 00:16:23,519 --> 00:16:29,000 rookie this year. Four points in his first is seven games plus a 230 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:33,000 shot, one and a half hits and a block Victor. I wasn't even 231 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:37,679 sure who this guy was. Does Kayden Korshak? Does he make an impression 232 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:42,480 on you? Yeah? Yeah he is. He is someone worth noting, 233 00:16:42,519 --> 00:16:45,360 And I know that a couple of patrons have actually, in fact, I 234 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:49,440 think it was Shane that I was just talking to in the patron cast talked 235 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:55,159 about Korzaka and he's someone who, yeah, he doesn't necessarily have the biggest 236 00:16:55,919 --> 00:16:59,399 points upside per se, but he's just one of these guys who's a gamer. 237 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,240 You know, you him out there, and he just he's so physical 238 00:17:02,279 --> 00:17:06,640 and he's so competitive. That compete level, right that is super high like 239 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:11,000 that can often mask so many potential other issues that a player may have. 240 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:15,519 And so I do think that Korjak is probably more likely. And I think 241 00:17:15,559 --> 00:17:19,519 it's an interesting question if you had to put Kyden Korjak and Tristan Leno and 242 00:17:19,599 --> 00:17:23,559 say which one of these two is going to play more NHL games I think 243 00:17:23,559 --> 00:17:27,359 it might be Korjack, even though that Lenaux has such a higher pedigree and 244 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:32,400 it was more of a score. So then for fantasy that becomes tricky because 245 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:33,640 then you're thinking, like, okay, one of these is not like the 246 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:37,160 other. Right, I don't think Korjak's going to score that many points, 247 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:41,119 but he's going to play and he's not gonna He had a hat trick I 248 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:42,960 think in one game or something like that, so that really messed up his 249 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:48,960 Corjack did that, I think messed up his points projection, but so he's 250 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:49,759 not going to do that. Maybe it was an a hat trick, but 251 00:17:49,759 --> 00:17:55,000 he had a lot of points, so anyways, he's so he's not going 252 00:17:55,079 --> 00:17:56,559 to do that. I think the points that he got so far lucky. 253 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:00,160 But he is someone who I think could hold down a ball pairing and play 254 00:18:00,559 --> 00:18:06,119 and have decent priffs as long as he's minors eligible. That's pretty pretty worthwhile. 255 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,240 But no, I don't think that you should. I don't think that 256 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,720 Kuardiak is going to be someone who's going to be like the rest of the 257 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:15,599 guys on these Like some of the guys on this list, he's not going 258 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,039 to be like a true better or high profit, also high points. I 259 00:18:18,079 --> 00:18:22,799 don't think that's it. Next, we've got a number of names that are 260 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:27,079 star defenseman. You'll recognize these. Maybe you're wondering why you haven't heard him 261 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,319 yet. A number seventeen, Kevin Shatt Kirk course, his great days are 262 00:18:30,319 --> 00:18:34,799 a little bit passed. Rasmus Dollan at eighteen, Quinn Hughes at nineteen, 263 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:40,599 Sean Dursey, Adam Fox hits number twenty one, John Carlson, Tory Krug, 264 00:18:41,319 --> 00:18:45,200 then Brady Shay, then our other small sample size in Victor. This 265 00:18:45,279 --> 00:18:52,160 must been amazing for you. Nikita of San Jose comes in at number twenty 266 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,640 five on the basis of two hits and two blocks in one shot a game, 267 00:18:56,279 --> 00:19:03,640 plus three assists over the first eight games that he had recorded. I'm 268 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,039 just going to stop and ask you in the middle here too, what is 269 00:19:06,079 --> 00:19:08,480 the deal with this guy? Is he's not the defenseman we've been talking about 270 00:19:08,559 --> 00:19:14,160 making an impression for San Jose. No, but he is the defenseman making 271 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:18,680 an impression to those who follow closely. Because he is. He has been 272 00:19:18,759 --> 00:19:23,319 much better than a lot of people expected. And it's rough in San Jose 273 00:19:23,519 --> 00:19:27,799 right now, right they're getting carved in. They've they've been more competitive in 274 00:19:27,839 --> 00:19:33,119 some games, and I think some people thought, but he has been better. 275 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,440 And he's someone who before he came to Santease, he had fifteen NHL 276 00:19:36,519 --> 00:19:41,039 games across two seasons with New Jersey and this season he's already played nine and 277 00:19:41,319 --> 00:19:45,920 so far he's also getting carved in. But it's been he's been getting praise 278 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,920 from the coaches and from other people. And he definitely bashes a lot. 279 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:55,640 He's not going to score. I think he has what three assists, Yeah, 280 00:19:55,039 --> 00:19:57,599 and he doesn't really shoot, but he hits some blocks a ton, 281 00:19:57,839 --> 00:20:02,200 so he's playing good men. It's almost twenty minutes a night. He's basically 282 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:06,920 playing like top pairing. And he's one of the big reasons. He was 283 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:08,519 basically free, so that was one of the reasons they liked him. But 284 00:20:08,599 --> 00:20:14,599 he's big. He's pretty big and physical and he's pretty mobile, so he 285 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:15,839 might carve out a role, but yeah, I think he's basically just a 286 00:20:15,839 --> 00:20:19,839 peripherals guy. I don't think he's going to score more than a few assists 287 00:20:19,839 --> 00:20:25,200 here and there. Yeah. The last few on this list, Eric Jelena, 288 00:20:25,559 --> 00:20:29,960 Mikhail Sergi, Chef Cam Fowler, John Marino and Jake Sanderson clockson at 289 00:20:30,039 --> 00:20:32,599 number thirty, And you might, what, so a list like this, 290 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,240 what do you do with it? Now? You've heard a couple of names 291 00:20:34,279 --> 00:20:41,279 that obviously are not going to stick. Probably they're probably not of the class 292 00:20:41,279 --> 00:20:45,519 of the John Carlson's and even the Sean Jerseys of the world in the level 293 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,519 that they're hitting or that they hit a long term in their career. But 294 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:56,480 nonetheless it maybe it's time early in the season to tip your hat for the 295 00:20:56,519 --> 00:21:02,640 types of starts they've gotten off to and maybe just maybe grab them in some 296 00:21:02,799 --> 00:21:07,279 of your leagues, just to hold them and see if they can keep it 297 00:21:07,319 --> 00:21:11,720 up, because they could sure help you right now. And I've always subscribed 298 00:21:11,759 --> 00:21:15,400 to the theory, and I forget where I heard this first, But when 299 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:22,359 you run a list in about eighty percent of it makes sense intuitively, and 300 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:26,119 twenty percent of it surprises you. It's probably a good list because it probably 301 00:21:26,279 --> 00:21:33,079 reflects reality but still provides a couple of interesting insights. And even though part 302 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:37,279 of the value of a list like that, or part of the reason that 303 00:21:37,319 --> 00:21:40,519 the scoring comes out the way it does on a list like this one, 304 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:45,119 is that we're counting the bash for the defenseman, so the Travis hammonis float 305 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:49,240 up in ways that you might not otherwise expect. I think there is still 306 00:21:49,319 --> 00:21:55,920 a value to recognizing where these defenseman rookies, and a lot of the rookies, 307 00:21:56,079 --> 00:21:59,119 a lot of the defensemen that you know and love from the past ten 308 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:03,000 years. A lot of your star defenceman started out with a Starbrookie season. 309 00:22:03,599 --> 00:22:07,720 But there are a couple of others who sneak in here who are off to 310 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,960 amazing starts or maybe surprising ones. Victor, I picked on you this time. 311 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,240 I picked on you in the middle of the talk. But do you 312 00:22:15,279 --> 00:22:18,880 have any other observations from this list of things that surprise or stand out to 313 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:23,759 you? Yeah, And I think you're absolutely right about the list. There's 314 00:22:23,759 --> 00:22:29,400 no point in examining a list where all the names on it are exactly who 315 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,319 you thought it would be. I guess that can tell you one thing, 316 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:37,720 like maybe some confirmation bias, and maybe it's it makes you feel good, 317 00:22:37,759 --> 00:22:41,000 but it should if you're running the right query. It should challenge some of 318 00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:45,440 your assumptions and it might lead you to some new thoughts. And I think 319 00:22:45,559 --> 00:22:48,880 that's what we have to try to look for. We always have to challenge 320 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:53,400 our biases and examine is this really true? And I know I remember very 321 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,480 clearly when Shane Gosslilsbear was doing his thing his rookie season. I remember thinking 322 00:22:57,559 --> 00:23:02,960 like, Yeah, this doesn't make sense, this is not real. Who 323 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:07,359 is this guy? Why is he doing this? And if I would have 324 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,240 been a more open mind at the time and just been like, maybe this 325 00:23:10,279 --> 00:23:12,079 guy's really good, but there were a lot of signs pointing to that he 326 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,720 wasn't really good. They're like his two way play, but he was still 327 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,920 getting the opportunity, still getting the points. And you have to ask yourself, 328 00:23:19,039 --> 00:23:23,160 is this guy just going to be nobody and get washed up after like 329 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:27,119 a Zeitzef who hasn't really done much, or is there staying power? And 330 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:32,200 that's where the nuance becomes more complicated. But at least you can be exposed 331 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,440 to the idea that, yeah, maybe this guy is really interesting. What 332 00:23:34,799 --> 00:23:40,759 is his pedigree? Kind of look into it and really examined from all angles. 333 00:23:40,759 --> 00:23:44,400 I think that's really important to do because there are some massive gems that 334 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:49,920 you can find just on Minschikov. I would say, and I said it 335 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,960 before, I'll say it again. This guy is for real. This guy 336 00:23:53,079 --> 00:23:59,200 we're going to look back on years later and say, Wow, what an 337 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:03,480 impressive rookie season. And he it makes sense. He's like one of the 338 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,400 best defensemen in the league. He's one of the most valuable fantasy assets. 339 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,279 The guy just does it all. He can do everything in any situation. 340 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,319 He's quite literally the best defenseman already in Anaheim, and they're still easing him 341 00:24:15,319 --> 00:24:18,839 in a little bit, not giving him tons of responsibility, but he's already 342 00:24:18,839 --> 00:24:22,400 doing a lot and with not much to work with there in Anaheim. That 343 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:27,039 team should get better and he's going to get more reinforcements on the back end. 344 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:32,359 But I just think that he's incredible and he could end up being one 345 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,440 of the most valuable players on this list period. In terms of Minchikov compared 346 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,799 to someone like Kill mccarr, he does more in the peripheral department and he 347 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:45,400 could score similar to mccarr in the high upside seasons. So I just think 348 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,839 Minchikov is awesome, and don't I would definitely not look at this and think 349 00:24:48,839 --> 00:24:52,160 that that's an outlier and he's not that good. He is. He's even 350 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:56,400 better I think than what he's shown so far, but a lot of these 351 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,519 guys do end up being just high priffs guy and there isn't much scoring there, 352 00:24:59,559 --> 00:25:03,920 Mitchikoff. If it's not one of them, yeah, I would assume 353 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,720 that years hints there are going to be a couple of names from this class 354 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,799 who end up belonging at the top of that list, just like there are 355 00:25:11,839 --> 00:25:15,359 a couple every year, And it looks to me like so far, Mitchikov's 356 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,680 the one. Now again, I ran this whole list. It is linked 357 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,920 to from our show notes page. There are two hundred and fifty four names 358 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:27,200 on it, which encompasses all those guys from the previous year the criteria I 359 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,599 gave before, and obviously I'm not going through all these, but there are 360 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,519 a couple of other names that appeared, probably lower on the list than I 361 00:25:34,519 --> 00:25:38,000 would have expected that. I just want to mention, first of all, 362 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:45,880 very last place among the pre twenty two to twenty three guys in terms of 363 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,519 a rookie Fantasy season for guys who had at least twenty five points. Casey 364 00:25:49,559 --> 00:25:53,559 Middlestat, He's got to hint He's going to come up again later this episode. 365 00:25:53,720 --> 00:26:00,400 Casey Middlestat it's hard to remember exactly. Maybe it's not hard remember, 366 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,359 but for some how miserable of a rookie year, that guy had just barely 367 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,599 hanging on. Now again, if the criteria here was he had to score 368 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,799 at least twenty five points. There were certainly people who had worse rookie seasons. 369 00:26:11,799 --> 00:26:15,039 You can do worse than scoring twenty five points your rookie season, but 370 00:26:15,799 --> 00:26:19,119 that still was very low. It just tells you of all these guys, 371 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:23,240 that was the lowest on the list. Kent Johnson, who we talked about 372 00:26:23,319 --> 00:26:29,000 last episode, came out one ninety five on this list. He had forty 373 00:26:29,039 --> 00:26:33,759 points in his rookie year. But this just highlights how bad he is in 374 00:26:33,839 --> 00:26:40,559 bash less than half a block, less than a quarter of a hit, 375 00:26:40,759 --> 00:26:42,960 like a sixth of a hit, and half a point his rookie season, 376 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,039 one and a half shots. Even his rookie season when he was shooting twelve 377 00:26:48,079 --> 00:26:52,240 point seven percent, he had trouble. So, like we said last episode, 378 00:26:52,559 --> 00:26:55,599 and maybe a bi low opportunity because Kent Johnson, and this is last 379 00:26:55,680 --> 00:27:00,640 year that I'm talking about, this is last year's stats is low. But 380 00:27:00,279 --> 00:27:06,880 he proved that he proved to be low. The guy who I think we 381 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:11,640 were hoping might appear very high on this list. By now Luke Hughes is 382 00:27:11,799 --> 00:27:15,480 only down in one hundred and seventy ninth place on this list, and I 383 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,839 don't know where that is on defenseman it's much closer. Of course, this 384 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:23,279 is all positions, but even with ten points so far this year in sixteen 385 00:27:23,319 --> 00:27:26,799 games, one and a half shots, but no bash, almost no bash, 386 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,640 half a block, less than half a block, and only three hits 387 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,319 in his first sixteen games. So that is a little bit troubling, but 388 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:38,799 obviously much ahead, and one would expect that Luke Hughes is going to have 389 00:27:38,839 --> 00:27:44,640 a big jump and even that scoring rate as it continues to climb, is 390 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,599 going to be impressive. But just I'm noting how low he is so far 391 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,559 in terms of a points league. And the other guy that I noted who 392 00:27:52,759 --> 00:27:57,279 surprised me at how low he was Matt Kichuk. I talked about Brady Kuchuk 393 00:27:57,319 --> 00:28:03,680 being in the top thirty, but it seems and I've always talked about Brady 394 00:28:03,759 --> 00:28:07,279 Kuchuk a lot more than I have about Matt Kuchuk on this show. Of 395 00:28:07,319 --> 00:28:11,759 course, Matt Chuck Kuchuk broke out and became a star last year in the 396 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:17,880 NHL playoffs and taking that Florida team to the finals, and probably Calgary fans 397 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,599 have stronger memories of his early impact on the league. It came before Brady, 398 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,319 but the fact that his rookie year for a guy who's a basher the 399 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:33,400 way Matt is and also scores some points, he had forty two points his 400 00:28:33,519 --> 00:28:37,799 rookie year. He had a little under two shots a game, but he 401 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,359 had less than a hit per game, and he had twenty two blocks in 402 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,400 seventy six games, almost like one in four, so he was way down 403 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:51,279 there. He's actually next to Nick Suzuki and below Brady Shay in terms of 404 00:28:51,359 --> 00:28:56,039 his per rated stats. That was surprising to me. But I don't know 405 00:28:56,119 --> 00:29:00,519 Victor A. He probably didn't go extensively over this lower list, But it's 406 00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:04,400 just fun to drag through Cole Kawfield, by the way, who we have 407 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,319 always talked about. Geez, he had a slow rookiear. He came in 408 00:29:07,359 --> 00:29:11,039 sixty fourth at least on this list, way above some of those guys and 409 00:29:11,079 --> 00:29:18,160 actually pro rated above Pavelo Minchikov right now. But any other observations you want 410 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,599 to mention on this list is you maybe have scrolled through it a little bit 411 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,880 or we can move on after that. Well, I think the main thing 412 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:32,440 is that there are outliers in every direction. So the Martin Paspasol is an 413 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,200 outlier, and so is Luke Hughes having a low season. I don't think 414 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:41,640 any of us expect that to be so low. So there's that's why it 415 00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:45,640 requires more in depth analysis. We can't just look at this list and say, 416 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,759 Okay, all of these guys top, they're the ones we want, 417 00:29:48,759 --> 00:29:51,759 all the ones at bottom or not. There's more nuance in that, and 418 00:29:51,759 --> 00:29:55,720 that's what makes it interesting and difficult and challenging and frustrating at times and all 419 00:29:55,799 --> 00:29:59,880 those kinds of things. But yeah, just because you had a slow work 420 00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:03,400 season doesn't mean that you're not going to be a great fantasy asset. That's 421 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,559 something that actually Shane and I were just talking about on the Patron cast that 422 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,680 sometimes you have to really change your perception about guys. Right. There are 423 00:30:10,759 --> 00:30:14,400 guys like brock Nelson, with someone we talked about, he was a perennially 424 00:30:14,519 --> 00:30:18,200 thirty five forty point player until he was a sixty to seventy point guy and 425 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,119 that happened eight years into his career. It can happen to players, It 426 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,279 totally can, and you have to be willing and mentally flexible to change your 427 00:30:26,319 --> 00:30:30,200 mind. Adrian Kempe is another one, right. And these guys would be 428 00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:33,160 nowhere on this list, they'd be down in the many hundreds or thousands, 429 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,039 they'd be so low, but they can think things can change and shift for 430 00:30:37,079 --> 00:30:41,759 them, and I think that's important to be open and flexible to that. 431 00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:44,559 I just found brock Nelson. Actually he was one hundred and seventy seven. 432 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,319 So yeah, it was a good college. Right next to Luke Hugh's. 433 00:30:48,039 --> 00:30:52,799 Yeah, wouldn't have been someone that would be normally that exciting. Yeah. 434 00:30:52,839 --> 00:30:57,839 And the thing with Luke's the thing that scares me. And I'm not saying 435 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:02,880 that Luke ques is going here, but I just remember the hype for another 436 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,880 guy who comes in fairly close to him in the list, Jamie Drysdale. 437 00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:11,400 And Jamie at least had almost a block a game his rookie year, even 438 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,960 though his points were at a little bit slower of a pace. But Jamie 439 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:22,319 Drysdale went from the hotness to almost an afterthought with Anaheim in barely in shallow 440 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,920 leagues barely rostered. I was hoping for him with a bounce back this year. 441 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,720 But you're right, changing perceptions for the good or the ill, but 442 00:31:29,799 --> 00:31:32,079 you're not seeing anything like that, Luke Hughes, right, then, no 443 00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:36,319 loss of faith at this point, no loss of faith, in fact, 444 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:44,319 increased faith. I think what Greg Washinski mentioned and I think cannot be overstated. 445 00:31:44,359 --> 00:31:48,160 The fact of that brotherly connection those two on the power play with Jack 446 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,519 and Luke is just it's dynamic. It's amazing, it's fun, it's fun 447 00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:56,400 to watch. They know where each other are in ways that other players can't. 448 00:31:56,839 --> 00:32:00,240 Although I feel like Brad has become like the third hues there because because 449 00:32:00,279 --> 00:32:04,240 those two are such a wavelength. But yeah, so he's gonna him getting 450 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,799 that opportunity, and but he obviously still has other things to work out in 451 00:32:07,839 --> 00:32:12,839 terms of his defensive game, Luke that is. But yeah, I think 452 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,880 he's getting an opportunity a little earlier than I would have thought, and his 453 00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:19,599 early returns on those defensive metrics have been quite good, and that's earning him 454 00:32:19,599 --> 00:32:22,279 even more opportunity and going to get even more points and more upsides. So 455 00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:25,559 I think the sky is a limit for Hughes. I don't think anyone's cal 456 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:30,839 mccarr, but I think that Luke Hughes could have similar value in terms of 457 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,759 fantasy leagues. Yeah, he's He's ridiculously good. And the situation is so 458 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,559 good in New Jersey, like the way it was in Colorado for so long 459 00:32:38,599 --> 00:32:44,960 and still is for some of those high scoring seasons. All right, that's 460 00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:47,480 that's good stuff. Let's take a break. We're gonna come back and talk 461 00:32:47,559 --> 00:33:02,079 some more stuffish selfish, break it down, Kate the buck, don't got 462 00:33:02,359 --> 00:33:06,319 head. Bet it's still going to be there. And he got jumping cos 463 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,000 you're talking before are still shot a bad balance. That's a good breakaway. 464 00:33:09,079 --> 00:33:17,440 Got to get the bounced. Boys. We're back and we're talking some more 465 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:22,559 X gamers and prospects, guys who were coming in. This is something that 466 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:27,519 you heard on last week's episode, and we have a few more for you 467 00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:30,519 that we're going to go through this episode on some guys that Victor has been 468 00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:36,279 writing about over at ep ring Side and of course his works behind the paywall 469 00:33:36,319 --> 00:33:38,839 there, but geez, lots of paywalling today, but you can read it 470 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:44,119 there. It's worth supporting. Ep ring Side's pretty cool, and so let's 471 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,720 talk about a couple of these guys. Next up, Victor, another article 472 00:33:46,759 --> 00:33:51,519 you wrote was on Alex le Farrier. Swear to god, if this guy 473 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,640 ends up being more productive than Alex la Frendier, and you bring that up 474 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,359 in your article, you do a good job of bringing up the irony that 475 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,720 the person who accidentally drafted Alex Lafarier may actually be happy about it. Now. 476 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,639 The real thing with him is he's producing well this year. He stumbled 477 00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:12,639 into the lottery here a little bit by getting a right wing slot next to 478 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,719 Pere Luke Dabois and Kevin Fiala. My goodness, that's a very nice light 479 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:21,760 line to fall on with the Los Angeles Kings. If you look at the 480 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:27,039 with or without you stats, he is dragging everything down for those two guys. 481 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,559 He is not exactly a guy who is bolstering what is going on with 482 00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:37,519 the other two, but seems to be holding his own somewhat defensively. He's 483 00:34:37,559 --> 00:34:42,760 not destroying things out there, so he's getting his opportunity. Victor Arbitson is 484 00:34:43,039 --> 00:34:46,039 out there getting his back fixed is what month to month here at this point. 485 00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:51,559 But he is the right wing who presumably will come back into that top 486 00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:55,519 six if and when he can get healthy, and that means that I would 487 00:34:55,519 --> 00:35:00,400 think Lafarier, though perhaps your results may vary, maybe you say more is 488 00:35:00,639 --> 00:35:06,280 got an expiration date on this thing. So he's getting a featured opportunity in 489 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,800 a premo role on a very good team right now. And is he going 490 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,719 to be able to show enough. Is he going to be able to grow 491 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,960 enough into that role while he's there that they can't take it away from him 492 00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:19,679 or he can get it somewhere else, because I don't nobody expected this, 493 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:24,679 right, Victor. Is this is Alex Laferrier doing this for real? Yeah? 494 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:29,199 Yeah? And thing, it depends on what you mean by that in 495 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:34,159 your league and your context. Because Alex A. Farrier is a really good 496 00:35:34,599 --> 00:35:38,840 hockey player, especially defensively. Is he a really good fantasy asset? I'm 497 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:43,599 still not one hundred percent sold on that. But he definitely looks like an 498 00:35:43,679 --> 00:35:47,400 NHL er when he absolutely did not a couple of years ago. So that's 499 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:52,280 great, And he had been interesting trajectory, and so you always have to 500 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:57,800 tick that in mind a little bit. And being a really an older player, 501 00:35:58,039 --> 00:36:00,559 so sometimes that you can hold that against he should be scoring this much 502 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:06,400 because he's a little bit older. He's a late October birthdate, so about 503 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:07,800 as close to as old as you can be for your draft here, just 504 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:12,760 maybe six weeks or so, and so he's always been a little bit older. 505 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,800 But he is a bit undersized and underweight, but he just he plays 506 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:21,480 so much bigger and stronger than that, and he's just Some people will say, 507 00:36:21,559 --> 00:36:23,360 like that guy's just a gamer, right, Like he just it doesn't 508 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:28,079 matter the size, you just someone you can rely on. He's always on 509 00:36:28,119 --> 00:36:30,880 the right side of the puck. He's always making the right play. But 510 00:36:31,159 --> 00:36:35,920 I don't know that he has the finishing talent. He's going to get opportunity 511 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,360 though, because he is just he's strong defensively. And the other thing you 512 00:36:39,519 --> 00:36:44,000 like about that you love and hate about LA is that they run the top 513 00:36:44,119 --> 00:36:46,880 nine, right, So you hate that for the top players because I have 514 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,480 Fiela in a lot of leagues, I have Pold, I have some of 515 00:36:50,559 --> 00:36:53,000 the other top guys, and I want them to get all the ice time, 516 00:36:53,079 --> 00:36:55,719 right, I want them to get twenty two minutes, and they they 517 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,800 don't do that. They spread it around. It's better for the team and 518 00:37:00,199 --> 00:37:02,400 better for these depth guys, because you do get more time on ice for 519 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:07,320 your sort of third liner La Farier types, but you're frustrated from the top 520 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,360 end guys that you want to have more time on ice. I do think 521 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:15,000 that if their leagues that count like the tidy, they count things like Fenwick 522 00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:17,039 and takeaways, he's going to be much better in those type of leagues. 523 00:37:17,039 --> 00:37:20,760 But in just straight up scoring leagues, I'm not sure that. I don't 524 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,519 really think that Alex la Ferrier is going to be better than la Frenier, 525 00:37:22,599 --> 00:37:27,679 but it is way closer and more interesting than people ever thought it would be. 526 00:37:28,159 --> 00:37:31,360 I certainly never thought it would actually be that close, but it is 527 00:37:31,559 --> 00:37:35,920 somewhat anyways, And in terms of impact on the team, I don't know. 528 00:37:36,039 --> 00:37:42,519 Laferrier might have more because he's so responsibly defensively responsible, and Lefrenier at 529 00:37:42,559 --> 00:37:45,000 this point is more of just like a finisher, right, just to let 530 00:37:45,199 --> 00:37:49,920 let someone else do the work and you come in and finish, which definitely 531 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,079 has value, don't get me wrong, and it's much more attractive in fantasy, 532 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:58,920 but yeah, it's a it's interesting with la Farrier, and I know 533 00:37:59,039 --> 00:38:01,440 that some of the Kings fans, like Max and our discord has been pumping 534 00:38:01,519 --> 00:38:04,800 his tires forever, and that's part of the reason I decided to do this 535 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,159 article, because he was like, this guy's gonna be good, just mark 536 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,239 my words. And then he ended up being better than I thought, and 537 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,079 I was like, I should really look at this guy. And then he 538 00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:15,679 started getting NHL games, And now at this point he's played fourteen NHL games 539 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:21,840 and his defensive metrics are great. His offense is still still low in terms 540 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,079 of expected goals. Maybe he's one of these guys that finishes over his expected 541 00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:29,079 value because he's done that so far in his career. Maybe he can maintain 542 00:38:29,199 --> 00:38:32,280 that, and if you're on a good line, then it doesn't always necessarily 543 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,800 matter how well you can finish. So far, he's been playing a lot 544 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,320 with Dubois and Fiala. You can't ask for too much more than that. 545 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,199 On the Kings. That's some great linemates right there. So even if he 546 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,800 wasn't good, he could look into a decent number of points. Right now, 547 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:50,639 he's rocking an eighteen point pace, so that's certainly not exciting. But 548 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,000 he's still pretty young. He just turned twenty two and he's playing his first 549 00:38:54,039 --> 00:38:59,199 fourteen NHL games. So I think there's still a decent amount of upside here 550 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,639 because he's just one of these guys that strikes me as he's just always going 551 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:07,760 to play the right way and he may not be gifted the scoring chances, 552 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,280 but he can generate and drive play on his own, and he'll be put 553 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:14,760 with good line mates and so you like that. So yeah, that's my 554 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,800 thoughts on the Afario. What do you think, Jesse, I'm sure take 555 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:22,119 la Fregnier, right. Yeah. I feel bad because I started out dumping 556 00:39:22,159 --> 00:39:24,800 all over this kid in our explanation. I didn't mean to do that. 557 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,639 I had the advantage of knowing because I read your article that you do have 558 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:34,519 some positive thoughts. You're seeing some good things with this guy. And who 559 00:39:34,599 --> 00:39:37,119 doesn't love a story where a kid is punching above his weight. He is 560 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:42,960 hitting a high percentile of his outcome, and that's probably to do with a 561 00:39:43,079 --> 00:39:49,639 strong work ethic and belief in himself, because he wasn't reading hype articles about 562 00:39:49,679 --> 00:39:52,119 how he was going to be the best player coming out of his draft class 563 00:39:52,159 --> 00:39:57,039 by any means, Would I take La Fregner or Lafarier. I probably still 564 00:39:57,119 --> 00:40:02,400 think that we are close enough to the beginning of these guys careers that I 565 00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:08,920 am still going to blindly hang onto that pedigree for dear life. But it's 566 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:15,679 true every day that passes Lafrenier is looking less and less. I think we 567 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,840 probably are already ruling out that he's going to be a superstar or anything, 568 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:22,000 but looking less and less like he's going to hit one of his high percent 569 00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:25,519 dole outcomes. And Lafarier seems to be hitting one of his high percent doll 570 00:40:25,559 --> 00:40:30,159 outcomes. By all means, I wasn't trying to dump on him here at 571 00:40:30,199 --> 00:40:34,559 the beginning. He's definitely not a finished product, though it's a matter of 572 00:40:34,639 --> 00:40:39,480 your perspective. If you weren't expecting anything from Alex Lafarier, then you are 573 00:40:40,599 --> 00:40:44,519 very pleased by seeing the progress. If you didn't know who this kid was 574 00:40:44,559 --> 00:40:45,519 at all, and you said it's a rookie coming in, you'd say, 575 00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:50,960 hey, he's all right, but he's getting carried by FILA and PLD right 576 00:40:51,039 --> 00:40:57,280 now. Victor. The next one is a guy who we've talked about a 577 00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,519 lot over the years. I know I've invested in various leagues. Kalen Addison, 578 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:07,280 who made the move to the West coast from Minnesota. Great move from 579 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:13,079 a climatological perspective to make it to your San Jose Sharks. Kilan Addison is 580 00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:15,599 a guy you wrote about, I think right after that trade, right right 581 00:41:15,679 --> 00:41:19,960 after that trade to talk about him coming in and I love it. I 582 00:41:20,119 --> 00:41:22,559 love that he went out there. I so want this to succeed. He 583 00:41:22,679 --> 00:41:28,400 has jumped into San Jose and immediately become the top power play guy, not 584 00:41:28,559 --> 00:41:31,320 only the top defenseman on power play, but looking at the hockey vis charts, 585 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:37,440 actually like arguably the most significant guy on the power play in terms of 586 00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:42,800 like time that he's out there playing, and he's going to get all the 587 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,360 opportunity he can handle. He didn't he wasn't able to follow through on it 588 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:51,760 in Minnesota. There's a lot more competition for those defensive minutes in Minnesota. 589 00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:54,960 He's jumping pretty high on the food chain out there in San Jose. Right 590 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:59,159 away. It's going to be difficult. I think. I don't even want 591 00:41:59,199 --> 00:42:01,400 to really and tease you about San Jose this year, Victor, because it's 592 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,880 just it's a weakened roster. These guys are in the tank and we get 593 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,039 it. Hope bless them that if they get the Macklin celebrinier whoever it is 594 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:14,519 who will be the best pick coming up in next year's draft. But it's 595 00:42:14,559 --> 00:42:19,559 going to be difficult to know how good Killing Addison can be in San Jose 596 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,119 right now. But he's going to get the opportunity. He should get a 597 00:42:22,119 --> 00:42:23,679 lot of minutes. I don't see why they would take him out of this 598 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:28,559 role as the top power play for a long time, and that probably is 599 00:42:28,639 --> 00:42:31,559 going to mean that he will fall into points even though San Jose isn't getting 600 00:42:31,559 --> 00:42:35,559 a whole lot of goals at this point. It's a long season. It'll 601 00:42:35,639 --> 00:42:39,400 go back and forth. So I I like his context in the sense of 602 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:45,800 opportunity. Obviously it's not going to be real good in terms of the context 603 00:42:45,039 --> 00:42:50,079 and how much that will benefit his secondary scoring and things like that. And 604 00:42:50,519 --> 00:42:52,920 we're gonna find out whether he's a guy who can actually carry a situation or 605 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:57,679 not because he hasn't necessarily been there in the past. You've been to Killing 606 00:42:57,679 --> 00:43:00,440 Addison guy way back right. Tell me about your take on this change of 607 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:07,559 scenery for him. Yeah, I agree, it's absolutely it was super smart 608 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,480 by my career to do this, and he got him for basically nothing. 609 00:43:10,559 --> 00:43:15,159 It's not going to cost them much as a fifth round pick and a HL 610 00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,679 or Adam Rasca. So he's in our favou season. They're going to give 611 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,719 him tons of opportunity, and they have. He has literally played more at 612 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,039 this point since I wrote the article, and yes I did write it right 613 00:43:23,079 --> 00:43:25,880 away, and so there was like, I think one or two games under 614 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:30,719 his belt, but now he has four and he's you like to see that 615 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,400 They're continue to give them the opportunity. He was minus four in that game 616 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:37,000 against Vegas and he was quite frankly, pretty bad, but they keep giving 617 00:43:37,079 --> 00:43:39,000 him mice time. In Minnesota when he was bad, he would make one 618 00:43:39,039 --> 00:43:43,480 bad play and they'd bench him right or they'd healthy scratch him the next day. 619 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,519 And I know that a lot of Minnesota fans were frustrated with that too. 620 00:43:45,559 --> 00:43:47,719 I think a lot of us were. I don't I'm a teacher. 621 00:43:49,039 --> 00:43:52,000 I don't think that's how you teach people. You show them what to do, 622 00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:53,920 and you let them try again, but they continue to make the same 623 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:58,159 mistakes over and over again. That's one thing I don't really think that he 624 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,639 was doing that. Of course I wasn't there on the bench, but it 625 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,960 was very frustrating that he wasn't given the opportunity to improve, and it did 626 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,519 seem like he improved. And if you look at his underlying metrics, which 627 00:44:06,599 --> 00:44:08,559 is one of my points, is that he's pretty close to NHL or average. 628 00:44:08,679 --> 00:44:13,039 And when you're an offensive defenseman, that's all you need to be is 629 00:44:13,159 --> 00:44:15,119 close to average. You don't need to be great, you just need to 630 00:44:15,159 --> 00:44:19,320 be serviceable. You can be sheltered on a third pairing and the player offense. 631 00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,920 The problem is that the Sharks don't really have a really strong defensive defenseman 632 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,239 to pair him with. Right you think about those seasons with Eric Carlson and 633 00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:31,119 people forget or when Brent Burns, sorry, when Brent Burns won the Norris 634 00:44:31,199 --> 00:44:36,559 and they had Paul Martin as his partner, who's like a total defensive defenseman, 635 00:44:36,599 --> 00:44:38,440 but it unleashed his offense. So you need someone like that in many 636 00:44:38,519 --> 00:44:44,599 cases to be able to be the best version of yourself. And I don't 637 00:44:44,599 --> 00:44:46,320 think that he's going to be able to do that, but at least they're 638 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:50,280 trying. At least they're giving him the opportunity and they're not benching him. 639 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:52,639 At this point. He has zero points in those games, but that's more 640 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:57,800 function of the Sharks being terrible than killin Addison not being able to generate offense, 641 00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,960 because he is doing some really good things watch some of those shifts. 642 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:06,440 He is also still making some mistakes defensively, but he also doesn't have anyone 643 00:45:06,519 --> 00:45:08,920 to help him cover those up right, and that's ideally what you would want 644 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:15,719 for someone with his skill sets. So I would definitely buy if you have 645 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,320 if you can buy really low and it's not costing much. But if you 646 00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,679 have Addison, if you're somehow still rostering him, and someone wants to give 647 00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:24,800 you a much more for sure asset, then I would probably take that. 648 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:30,320 Because it's also probably just as likely that he does not much in San Jose 649 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:34,360 this year and is maybe even out of the league within a year or two. 650 00:45:34,519 --> 00:45:37,159 So I think that's possible, so I wouldn't invest too much, but 651 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:42,719 there is still a pretty decent opportunity for him to turn things around and you 652 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,960 know, play evolve his play. He really just he needs games, and 653 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:51,199 he needs confidence, and he needs you know, a team to believe in 654 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,039 him, which it seems like the Sharks at least are to some extent to 655 00:45:53,079 --> 00:45:57,159 give some assets to him. If I were Greer, no matter what happens 656 00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,800 these next few months, I would just give him a proved content and then 657 00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:02,960 see how he does next year when the team might be a little bit better. 658 00:46:04,119 --> 00:46:07,360 There's at least a little bit of leash here, so I would play 659 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,800 this out and see where it goes. The Sharks don't have anyone else that 660 00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:14,320 has promised that role. We were all scratching our heads in the preseason who's 661 00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,039 gonna run the power play? And it was a bunch of nobodies, And 662 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:22,400 certainly Henry Thrun and Shakira mccammadolin are okay, but that's not really their role 663 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:28,280 either. There are more two way guys, so killing Addison is worth an 664 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,960 ad at this point, and they're worth by low and see what happens. 665 00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:36,880 Love it. Put away your free. Killing Addison signs people he's free. 666 00:46:37,039 --> 00:46:43,079 Now let's see what happens. Daniel Gushkin two games this year with Sharks to 667 00:46:43,159 --> 00:46:46,400 go with two games last year, and that's just so far. Your articles, 668 00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,960 Victor, I was joined. You have some good videos in there. 669 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:54,000 Gushin definitely has some serious swag. That guy. He tries some stuff. 670 00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:59,760 It's fun to watch the young Russian get it done here in the AHL. 671 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:06,760 He's committing back and forth across San Jose from the Barracuda to the Sharks, 672 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,039 and he got a shot. Those two games that I just talked about from 673 00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:15,119 this year were last week as we're recording this, But he was sent back 674 00:47:15,159 --> 00:47:19,599 down in front of the show. Shengpeng had some words to say about that. 675 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,079 He analyzed why he got sent down for the coach, Gushin didn't make 676 00:47:23,119 --> 00:47:27,639 a strong enough case to stay up. And here's the quote the other night. 677 00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,639 I thought he got a bit overwhelmed defensively. I thought it was a 678 00:47:30,679 --> 00:47:34,360 little bit of a hard game for him, and that was based on the 679 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,639 Saint Louis Blues game. I don't like hearing defensively, he had a hard 680 00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:44,639 game. And nonetheless, coach liked Gustin's season debut go on Tuesday against the 681 00:47:44,639 --> 00:47:47,960 Florida Panthers more he does good things with puck. Quinn said, he's a 682 00:47:49,039 --> 00:47:52,800 smart player and he's competitive. I thought it did a lot of good things 683 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:57,280 today. I think your research, when you ran the actual stats on this, 684 00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:01,280 does not seem to quite line up with what Quinn is saying. The 685 00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:07,440 defense was actually looking good for correct me. A smaller player. On the 686 00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,519 other hand, your statement in the article that he is playing better than Marcus 687 00:48:10,599 --> 00:48:15,920 Grandlin was damning with faint praise. If you ask me, the twenty twenty 688 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:21,159 three to twenty four version of Marcus Grantlin is not what it once was. 689 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,440 But I guess the moral of the story. Victor Daniel looks like a fun 690 00:48:25,519 --> 00:48:30,400 player. He looks like a player on the ups, but not one who's 691 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:36,000 been able to cross that Quada line just yet to get into a firmly established 692 00:48:36,039 --> 00:48:38,679 role in the NHL. Is he your new Shark crush and when will he 693 00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:43,400 blow up? Victor? Definitely, I don't know if he's a crush, 694 00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,519 but he is really fun. Like you said, he tries things. He 695 00:48:45,639 --> 00:48:51,119 tried to throw the legs shot in the NHL that was really fun from pretty 696 00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:54,360 far out. And he's very dynamic and creative with the puck. But he's 697 00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:59,159 not a liability defensively. That's where I feel it's I think for a lot 698 00:48:59,159 --> 00:49:02,760 of Sharks fans here in Quinn say that because it's not I don't know that 699 00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,320 it's accurate, and it doesn't. It's not really born out in the data. 700 00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:08,800 And there was a play the other night that in that game actually where 701 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:14,440 he literally saved a goal on the back door from a backcheck that he provided. 702 00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:16,840 Maybe there's some other things where he's positionally not where they want him to 703 00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:20,320 be in the system. I don't know, obviously, I don't have insights 704 00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,760 into all those things. But he's someone who's always been effortful defensively. He's 705 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:28,960 not someone who cheats for offense. He really helps create it the right way. 706 00:49:29,039 --> 00:49:31,440 And he's even though he's smaller, he has has good skating. He 707 00:49:31,599 --> 00:49:37,159 always has that motor. He really is someone who competes really hard. But 708 00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,400 the hands, the stick handling in a pham booth is no joke with Goosha. 709 00:49:40,599 --> 00:49:44,239 He really is. And in a lot of the prospects, scrimmages and 710 00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,320 stuff we've watched, whenever he takes, whenever he makes a shoot, whenever 711 00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:52,000 he's in there for a shootout, he does something crazy, something really fun, 712 00:49:52,159 --> 00:49:57,599 something exciting, and it usually goes in. So that's really fun. 713 00:49:58,079 --> 00:50:00,599 Yeah, the question is what can he be now? And I still think 714 00:50:00,639 --> 00:50:05,960 he can be a pretty impactful forward. He's increased his projection up to like 715 00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:12,159 close to a first liner in Mason's PNHL E ranking app and a couple of 716 00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,119 games that he played. As I mentioned, yeah, better than ground Land. 717 00:50:15,199 --> 00:50:19,280 He's definitely hasn't been the worst forward, so that's also a little bit 718 00:50:19,519 --> 00:50:22,360 frustrating. But I know that the Sharks also have a lot of contracts to 719 00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,719 guys that they need to play, and so it's not terribly surprising that he 720 00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:30,639 isn't getting too much opportunity. But I think he is someone that they can 721 00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:34,559 rely on in the future to be the middle sixer. I think part of 722 00:50:34,599 --> 00:50:38,880 the genesis was to this was our my COGM and our common league elon we 723 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:44,039 were looking at he was available because there's a post hype sleeper. He has 724 00:50:44,199 --> 00:50:49,559 been around for a very long time now and hasn't really taken an opportunity, 725 00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,360 and that's where this is an opportunity to hey, maybe now's the time to 726 00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,000 go grab a Neil Goosha. Now he did get those two games, which 727 00:50:55,119 --> 00:50:59,559 was exciting, and maybe he'll get more after the trade deadline, but I 728 00:50:59,559 --> 00:51:02,559 think for he probably will not. He'll probably stay down there and continue to 729 00:51:02,639 --> 00:51:07,800 dominate the AHL. But I do think he's someone who can be a sixty 730 00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,400 to seventy point guy in the right situation, and as sang mentions in the 731 00:51:10,519 --> 00:51:15,599 article like they want him to be a top six point producer. That's what 732 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,480 the Sharks want from him. They just want to refine some of his game 733 00:51:19,519 --> 00:51:22,800 a little bit. So, yeah, he's a really fun one. He's 734 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:24,760 really fun to watch. I hope he makes it just because he's really fun 735 00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:30,480 and you want to see creative dynamic forwards like that. Yeah, for sure. 736 00:51:30,599 --> 00:51:36,559 So that is one. Now let's talk about JJ Peterka. That is 737 00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:44,239 John Jason Peterca, a man whose parents over there in Germany apparently were not 738 00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,119 considering me when they named him, or when they nicknamed him, because he 739 00:51:47,199 --> 00:51:51,599 screws up all my excel functions because half the time he goes by JJ, 740 00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,440 half the time by John Jason. Let's all get that together, fellas. 741 00:51:54,960 --> 00:52:00,280 He showed his skill in Germany at the international level, and the AHL is 742 00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:04,480 Jack Quinn's wingman down there. Last year, of course, he was about 743 00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:09,239 point per game in the AHL. This this is actually two years ago. 744 00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:15,000 He had a full rookie year last year, but Jack Quinn and he blew 745 00:52:15,119 --> 00:52:20,360 up during that time and in the NHL last year. His scoring rate is 746 00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,679 climbing from last year to this year. Talk about the bottom guys on that 747 00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:30,800 rookie performance list. Casey Middlestat I mentioned was dead last. John Jason Peterka 748 00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:37,760 was sixth to last among all players none prior to this year in terms of 749 00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,920 pro ration, right above Nick Schmaltz and Robert Thomas. So you can see 750 00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:47,119 that don't last forever sometimes. His scoring rate now eighteen points and are fourteen 751 00:52:47,159 --> 00:52:52,400 points in eighteen games, seven goals and seven assists. That puts him tied 752 00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:58,639 for second on the Buffalo Sabers as I record today, tied with Casey Middlestat, 753 00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:04,280 who is actually on the same line as him. That appropriate that these 754 00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:08,440 two guys who are experiencing a career climb are on is his number one line 755 00:53:08,519 --> 00:53:12,800 mate? Christ middle sized rookie year was like five years ago now, but 756 00:53:13,519 --> 00:53:16,760 they're both tied for that second most points for kind of a disappointing Sabers team. 757 00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:21,679 Nonetheless, it's good to see a guy who's this young in his career 758 00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:25,000 performing. He's twenty two now. This is his twenty two year old season. 759 00:53:25,039 --> 00:53:30,320 Anyway. Now, the concern I've got with JJ as a fantasy manager 760 00:53:30,639 --> 00:53:34,119 is the bash is not shaping up. There's not a lot going on there. 761 00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,880 In eighteen games played so far this year, he's got one hit and 762 00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:43,239 four blocks, and that seems pretty consistent with what he was doing last year, 763 00:53:43,519 --> 00:53:46,679 and just over two shots a game, a little bit better than the 764 00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:51,239 one and a half he had last game, but not the level that I'm 765 00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,440 hoping for from a guy who is moving up in the world in terms of 766 00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:59,719 his deployment. He's only skating fifteen minutes a game, so I guess we 767 00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,320 can. I hope that is going to climb as well in terms of at 768 00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:07,280 least his shots, But I don't know that somebody who has that low of 769 00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,760 the physical stats is necessarily going to climb. I don't know if that's going 770 00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:16,639 to be part of JJ's game. Victor is in the past, Okay. 771 00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:21,079 My vague impression is that you've not been a huge Perturka fan. You maybe 772 00:54:21,159 --> 00:54:23,199 weren't as draft here, but you faded on him a little bit. Maybe 773 00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:29,119 I'm not being fair correct my recollection. What have you taken as JJ Paterka's 774 00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,639 trajectory and what do you think of him now? Oh, I think I've 775 00:54:31,679 --> 00:54:35,719 always been a Paturka fan. I think the question is what how high the 776 00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,960 upside is that's really the main question. It's you love the motor. He's 777 00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:45,639 a super competitive guy. We were talking about Gooshan Paterca. There's no one 778 00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,400 more competitive on the ice at any time than Paturca. He's his motor just 779 00:54:49,519 --> 00:54:53,000 goes NonStop. He's really high impact in that way and a guy that the 780 00:54:53,079 --> 00:54:57,800 coaches just love right because you throw him over the boards in any situation and 781 00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:01,719 he's he can score, he can the lead. Initially his first year in 782 00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:06,400 the league. Last year he was not great defensively, not for lack of 783 00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,440 effort, but just I think some of the positioning and some of the systems 784 00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:12,840 seem to not really work well with him. So his expected goals for sixty 785 00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,760 was a little bit lower, but much better this year. So he seems 786 00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,480 like he's figuring that part out. He's figuring out the offense. He's getting 787 00:55:19,519 --> 00:55:22,599 more opportunity this year with the Tage Thompson injury. That's not ideal, but 788 00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:29,920 that is affording him some opportunities when those situations present themselves. Usually it's in 789 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:34,239 that negative for everyone, but he is getting to play some second line minutes 790 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,760 and it's maybe not with the best linemates, but he's working it out. 791 00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:39,480 He's getting a little bit of power play time too, And yeah, he's 792 00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:43,400 already up to a sixty four point pace this season. When I wrote that 793 00:55:43,559 --> 00:55:46,239 article, he was like in fifty something, so he's been pretty hot in 794 00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:50,920 the last few games. So I did make that claim before he got hot. 795 00:55:51,199 --> 00:55:52,760 But still this is more of a long term projection. I do think 796 00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:55,960 that he's going to live in that middle six. I don't think he's like 797 00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,639 a top liner. But I think for me, the big question is what's 798 00:55:59,679 --> 00:56:01,360 going to have happened with all those other guys that are coming to Zach Benson 799 00:56:01,559 --> 00:56:07,920 and Jack Quinn are basically locks for those top six spots already, and then 800 00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:13,519 they have Tuck, Thompson and Skinner locked up kind of long term, and 801 00:56:13,599 --> 00:56:16,559 then Cousins is the complicated one too, so there's not really a whole lot 802 00:56:16,599 --> 00:56:21,679 of room in there. So I do fear that Peterca will get relegated to 803 00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,159 more of a third line role, middle six role, and they have Kulick, 804 00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:30,880 Savoy, Auslin, Rossen, all these guys are coming for those spots. 805 00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,320 But I think that Peterca is probably better than all those guys, at 806 00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,519 least better suited for a role in the middle six. Kulick might end up 807 00:56:37,559 --> 00:56:42,199 being just like their three C or two or three C. And I don't 808 00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,800 know about the other guys. That's a big concern is they have too many 809 00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,199 good prospects, so maybe they'll trade them. We saw this with LA when 810 00:56:47,199 --> 00:56:50,679 they had so many good prospects and they didn't trade any of them, and 811 00:56:50,679 --> 00:56:52,599 then they couldn't fit them all in and then they up trading them later for 812 00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:58,239 less value. So they might do well to make some moves now before that 813 00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,599 happens to Buffalo. I'm not saying that they should trade any of these guys, 814 00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:06,599 but it might make sense in terms of an asset management type of move. 815 00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:09,719 But yeah, I'm really really excited with peterka. He has a really 816 00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:14,800 good opportunity. He is pretty close to that NHL games played limit if you 817 00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,079 use one hundred. He's at ninety seven right now, and this is before 818 00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:21,440 the Wednesday Buffalo game, so by the time you hear this, it'll probably 819 00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,039 be really close to one hundred. So the question is what's the ceiling. 820 00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:29,800 I think he even without a top line role and top power play, I 821 00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:31,960 think he can still be around a sixty point guy. But obviously with that. 822 00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:36,119 If he gets that and how consistently he'll get that, he could be 823 00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,639 seventy or more. But I don't think he's like a point per game player. 824 00:57:39,239 --> 00:57:43,880 But he I think will improve some of his more perperal stats. With 825 00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:45,119 a little bit more time on ice, I think he'll be more of a 826 00:57:45,159 --> 00:57:50,079 shorthanded specialist. He could definitely be one of these power kill kind of guys. 827 00:57:50,159 --> 00:57:53,960 Right you put them on the penalty kill and you're worried about him because 828 00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:58,239 he's fast, he makes things happen. He'll make you nervous as a defenseman 829 00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,320 on the blue line because he can just explode past you and get a short 830 00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:06,800 handed goal. So he will command opportunity in different ways. That's what I 831 00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,360 like about Perturca. There's not just one way for him to succeed. And 832 00:58:09,639 --> 00:58:15,599 you have that for your prospects for sure. All right, Victor, And 833 00:58:16,039 --> 00:58:21,360 now I think that's going to do it for our X gamers. For today, 834 00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,360 We've got a couple more scouts touts to bring you, and we'll do 835 00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:30,119 the first one right after this time again for another scouts tout where we bring 836 00:58:30,199 --> 00:58:34,840 on one of our FHL scouts to talk about a specific player, someone that 837 00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:38,199 they've watched and gotten some good eyes on. And for this edition, we're 838 00:58:38,239 --> 00:58:44,400 going to be talking about twenty twenty four draft eligible defenseman zaying Perakh and to 839 00:58:44,719 --> 00:58:46,440 talk about him, we're going to bring on our FHL scout Josh. How 840 00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:51,519 are you doing, Josh, I'm doing great. How are you, Victor, 841 00:58:52,519 --> 00:58:53,960 I'm doing well. It's great to have you here. And yeah, 842 00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:59,639 we got a pretty exciting player to talk about. He is one of the 843 00:59:00,039 --> 00:59:05,920 operted players defenseman and players for the twenty twenty four draft. And just in 844 00:59:06,039 --> 00:59:09,559 case people were wondering a little bit about him, he is a six foot 845 00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:14,360 z one hundred and eighty one pounds right handed d The consolidated ranking over at 846 00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,360 EP has him at ten. I know Dobber is super high on him. 847 00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:21,039 They have him at fourth overall. Most outlets have him in the twelve to 848 00:59:21,119 --> 00:59:24,679 fourteen range. That Dabber rank really pulling him up to maybe around top ten. 849 00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:28,800 But tell us a little bit about zam PreK and what kind of makes 850 00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:34,960 him so interesting. Yeah, I'm surprised at how low a lot of places 851 00:59:35,519 --> 00:59:44,679 have him because to me, he's clearly in the conversation for the best defenseman 852 00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:50,559 in the draft. I would say that other guys like Sam Dickinson's more well 853 00:59:50,719 --> 00:59:53,519 rounded in that respect, but when it comes to the offensive side of the 854 00:59:53,599 --> 01:00:00,159 game, there isn't anyone that holds a candle to correct this year. In 855 01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:05,760 my limited viewings, I'd have to see a lot bit more to rank him 856 01:00:06,519 --> 01:00:12,159 my top defenseman, but he's definitely up there. He can skate really well, 857 01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:19,239 and his greatest strengths are when he's skating with the puck on the fast 858 01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:24,679 break. He can skate it up, he can shut down the opponents fast 859 01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:30,760 break pretty well and just play great in the neutral zone. And then once 860 01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:37,599 he gets it in the offensive zone, everything he does is just so crisp, 861 01:00:37,239 --> 01:00:45,880 clean and effective. Like we recently got those shot analytics shot speed. 862 01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:50,880 I'd love to see the speed of his shots and passes because they the puck 863 01:00:51,039 --> 01:00:58,320 leaves his stick like nothing I've seen in a long time. He just gets 864 01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,559 it gone and it's like a magnet wherever he needs it to go, whether 865 01:01:01,639 --> 01:01:06,559 that be the back of the net or a great pass to his teammates. 866 01:01:06,719 --> 01:01:13,239 He's just magnetic in the offensive zone. And he's just projects to be such 867 01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:17,800 a just point producer, power play guy in the NHL, like, it's 868 01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:23,119 hard to see him not succeed in that way. He is six foot so 869 01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:30,039 a little bit small on the defensive side, and that's where his biggest question 870 01:01:30,199 --> 01:01:36,480 marks are is how well can he handle the physical defensive side, which is 871 01:01:36,639 --> 01:01:43,440 where he drops compared to some of the other guys like Silaev and Dickinson. 872 01:01:43,639 --> 01:01:51,000 But I don't think it's that much of a detriment. He's not a complete 873 01:01:51,159 --> 01:01:57,119 offensive defense when he does have some like he's capable of playing in his own 874 01:01:57,199 --> 01:02:01,320 zone and he's a great rush defender. But it's definitely something that he's gonna 875 01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:07,480 have to put some pounds on and just learn how to roll with the punches 876 01:02:07,679 --> 01:02:12,760 in the defense zone. But if you could get that figured out, you're 877 01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:19,679 looking at a possible point per game defenseman at the NHL level if everything hits 878 01:02:19,719 --> 01:02:27,239 well. He's just I haven't seen an offensive defensive prospect like this in a 879 01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:31,199 long time. Yeah, he's super interesting and exciting, and I guess I 880 01:02:31,239 --> 01:02:37,719 didn't mention he plays for Saginaw, and Saginaw if people remember had Minchukov there 881 01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:42,679 until recently, and I know some people were commenting on maybe that mentorship was 882 01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:46,639 really special or helpful for him. I also know that Saganaw plays this kind 883 01:02:46,679 --> 01:02:51,559 of unique style where they could rotate everyone around a little bit and really activate 884 01:02:51,599 --> 01:02:54,559 their defenseman, so he might also be beneficent benefiting a little bit from the 885 01:02:55,199 --> 01:02:59,679 style that is being played there. So maybe that's part of it, but 886 01:02:59,719 --> 01:03:02,760 I don't think that explains all of his production, which currently is over a 887 01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:07,519 point per game in a draft eligible season is pretty special. As you mentioned, 888 01:03:07,679 --> 01:03:12,360 I think one of the concerns some people have talked about is I hear 889 01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:15,719 people say different things about his defensive game. Maybe it's closer to average. 890 01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:20,599 Some people say it's poor and that might stop him from becoming a true number 891 01:03:20,639 --> 01:03:22,679 one D, Whereas if the offense is good and the defense is poor, 892 01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:27,679 he might be caught more in the middle of being like a third bottom pairing, 893 01:03:28,239 --> 01:03:30,559 top power play kind of guy. And talk a little bit more about 894 01:03:30,599 --> 01:03:35,079 what you've seen from that aspect and whether you think he can truly handle all 895 01:03:35,119 --> 01:03:38,360 those tough defensive minutes, because it's still going to be an exciting pick no 896 01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:43,880 matter what. But if he can truly be like a top all around D, 897 01:03:44,079 --> 01:03:49,480 then that's even more exciting, right. Yeah. The second of his 898 01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:53,599 system is really interesting because sometimes you almost see him like playing like a winger 899 01:03:53,719 --> 01:03:59,719 when he's down near the hash marks or just flying up to the blue line 900 01:04:00,119 --> 01:04:04,840 during the rush. So he's definitely put in the best place to thrive. 901 01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:12,800 But I again just the skill that's shown in his decision making and his puck 902 01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:19,199 skills is just like too great to ignore. On the defense like he does, 903 01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:26,000 he is closer to average below average in the defensive zone. I think 904 01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:30,360 to get the most out of him at higher levels, you will need to 905 01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:36,840 pair him with a more reserved and more responsible in the defensive zone defenseman to 906 01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:43,039 cover him up sometimes, especially if he is going to be where he's most 907 01:04:43,079 --> 01:04:45,880 effective, where he's trying to pinch up and make plays in the offensive zone 908 01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:54,679 and play aggressively offensively. I do think that having that steadying force could help 909 01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:59,840 him out. But when you have the amount of skill in the ceiling of 910 01:05:00,119 --> 01:05:05,239 point production and offense that Zane PreK has, I think you can forgive that, 911 01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:12,760 and especially if he gets that really great defensive pairing, like he can 912 01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:17,960 completely go off and again have like point per game seasons over point per game 913 01:05:18,039 --> 01:05:26,440 in the NHL. But it's not a complete liability, as some offensive defensemans 914 01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:30,400 have like I do, think he can be at least okay in his own 915 01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,480 zone. It's something he has to work on for sure. And if he 916 01:05:34,679 --> 01:05:39,480 elevates that and works on it and involves past this, then he could definitely 917 01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:45,719 grow into that top pairing. Otherwise, I still think that he's okay enough 918 01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:50,039 to hold his own to be that top four guy even if everything doesn't work 919 01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:56,280 out great. But he's going to make points no matter where he goes, 920 01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:59,960 he's going to get points. He's going to be a power play quarterback. 921 01:06:00,039 --> 01:06:04,440 And he's just every time you see him, every time a puck touch is 922 01:06:04,519 --> 01:06:08,360 his stick, it's just electric. It's so much fun to watch it. 923 01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:13,599 I'm really excited to see out all and so yeah, me too, I'm 924 01:06:13,599 --> 01:06:16,400 really excited. I know you put in your report maybe Eric Carlson, but 925 01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:20,239 better defensively. Not that's a high bar, right, better defensively than Eric 926 01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:25,960 Carlson, But yeah, that's super exciting, and I definitely agree at this 927 01:06:26,119 --> 01:06:30,039 point, I can't see anyone else. I don't currently see anyone else as 928 01:06:30,119 --> 01:06:33,079 being a better offensive defenceman. I think, yeah, guys like Sam Dickinson 929 01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:40,159 and some of the Russians maybe could be more all around impactful. But in 930 01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:44,119 terms of fantasy it seems like it's correct leading the way and he'd have to 931 01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:47,760 really fall off in order for him to not finish as the top fantasy defenseman 932 01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,599 that you want, and so that's pretty exciting. Anything else you want to 933 01:06:50,639 --> 01:06:56,280 mention about him, Yeah, especially points only, He's going to be a 934 01:06:56,440 --> 01:07:00,719 beast in that category. Yeah. It just depends on what you want from 935 01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:04,360 your best defender. If you want the all round guy and go more with 936 01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:11,800 Sam Dickinson, but if you want the full top peak offensive potential, you 937 01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:17,719 can't go wrong with Zane Prak fantastic, Josh, thanks so much for doing 938 01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:30,239 the Scouts Tout and we'll look forward to hearings in the next round. Welcome 939 01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:33,519 back to Scouts Tout. This is a feature where we bring on one of 940 01:07:33,559 --> 01:07:39,119 our FHL scouts and tout a certain player that they have recently watched. In 941 01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:43,079 this edition, we are going to be covering David Edstrom, who was a 942 01:07:43,239 --> 01:07:45,599 twenty twenty three first round pick by the Vegas gol the Knights who picked thirty 943 01:07:45,639 --> 01:07:49,519 second overall at the very end of the first round. And Edstrom is a 944 01:07:49,679 --> 01:07:56,000 six foot three and ninety pound center. He plays in the SHL. He's 945 01:07:56,039 --> 01:07:59,599 been playing for for Londa last couple of years. After a pretty good start 946 01:07:59,639 --> 01:08:02,159 this season, then eight points in nineteen games, almost half point per game 947 01:08:02,239 --> 01:08:05,880 there. Last season he had four and eleven, but mainly played in the 948 01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:11,039 J twenty and to do to learn a little bit more about Edge Trem, 949 01:08:11,119 --> 01:08:14,960 We're going to bring on our scout Mitch and Mitch. How you doing pretty 950 01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:17,119 good? Victor? How are you? I'm doing great. I'm excited to 951 01:08:17,159 --> 01:08:20,199 hear a little bit more about Edgetrum. I know you watched him pretty carefully, 952 01:08:20,319 --> 01:08:25,399 and tell me what you think stood out to you the most. Definitely 953 01:08:26,039 --> 01:08:30,359 his skating and his mature game. He's a very fast skater. He has 954 01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:34,560 the ability to be explosive. At times he doesn't. He looks effortless when 955 01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:38,079 he's doing it. He almost looks like he's not skating fast, but he 956 01:08:38,359 --> 01:08:43,039 keeps up with everybody and it's pretty impressive to watch. But also he plays 957 01:08:43,079 --> 01:08:46,520 such a responsible defensive game, so it's probably not good for fantasy, but 958 01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:53,000 he's definitely a coach's dream. It's like he won't leave the end before the 959 01:08:53,079 --> 01:08:57,239 puck and he's always making the little play to advance the puck. He doesn't 960 01:08:57,279 --> 01:08:59,920 want to try and carry it himself, and he doesn't dangle. He doesn't 961 01:09:00,039 --> 01:09:03,640 have high end offensive skill, but he definitely can play with high end players 962 01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:08,439 and he can keep up with the speed he's he gets utilized on the power 963 01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:11,920 play. He's shorthanded, like even at such a young age in the SHL, 964 01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:15,920 the coaches are still trusting him with fairly decent minutes. He's not top 965 01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:18,600 line minutes, but power play and penalty kill show that he's obviously trusted and 966 01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:23,520 just that mature game I think could get him in the NHL sooner than later. 967 01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:28,560 Yeah, we just had David Saint Louis on and he was talking about 968 01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:33,199 how important that real life ability is, and I think sometimes when as fantasy 969 01:09:33,319 --> 01:09:36,680 gms here that he's a two way guy, we'd close our ears a little 970 01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:40,560 bit. But I think that can be a really good thing. But as 971 01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:44,720 you said, it could also I also worry sometimes that that maybe they're too 972 01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:48,800 good for their own upside, and perhaps that might limit their opportunity in the 973 01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:53,760 NHL on the power play and in other offensive situations. Can you see that 974 01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:57,960 maybe happening with Edstrom? I can. Yeah, I think he got drafted 975 01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,520 into the right system. Vegas has always caps, so I think he would 976 01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:04,159 have a good chance to play upper or higher in the lineup. But I 977 01:10:04,239 --> 01:10:09,439 do think that if he doesn't start putting up numbers right away, he could 978 01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:12,039 very well get buried in a third, fourth nine role, almost like Ryan 979 01:10:12,119 --> 01:10:16,600 McLeod in Edmonton. I think he has more talent than McLeod, but I 980 01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:20,399 definitely could see him getting pigeonholed into that bottom six. He might play on 981 01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:25,640 the PP two if that's where he gets put. But it's unfortunate because I 982 01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:28,439 do think he could play with high end line mates, which is why I 983 01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:31,399 like him on Vegas, but we can't draft just because he could play on 984 01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:36,479 a top six role, maybe with elite wingers. But yeah, I do 985 01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:39,840 think that could happen to him, and that's one of the fears I have 986 01:10:40,119 --> 01:10:43,560 with this prospect. Yeah, and I know one of the other things you 987 01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:46,199 talked about in your report, which you can read if you're an ultra lifer, 988 01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:50,680 that he has not really much bashed. He's more of that two way 989 01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:58,359 guy and doesn't necessarily need to add in all that physicality. Hits blocks Steven 990 01:10:58,359 --> 01:11:00,680 shots are going to be a little bit lower, and I know in some 991 01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:03,920 of your comparisons you mentioned a couple guys that do bash, yol Ricks and 992 01:11:04,039 --> 01:11:09,920 Eck and Thomash Holmstrom. I was wondering if you think there's some car comparison 993 01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:15,439 with his potential future teammate and William Carlson, who is that middle sixth center 994 01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:19,000 who doesn't bash a lot, but you can score. Obviously, he had 995 01:11:19,079 --> 01:11:24,279 that ridiculously high goal scoring season, but is probably more of a fifty point 996 01:11:24,359 --> 01:11:28,399 guy. When you know, on average, do you think that's a realistic 997 01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:31,720 comparable. I do think that's a Actually, that's a really good realistic comparable. 998 01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:35,520 He very well might be like a William Carlson. He yeah, he 999 01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:39,600 doesn't. He won't. I don't think have a big goal scoring season like 1000 01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:42,840 that. I don't see just the hands on him and the shot. He 1001 01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:46,000 doesn't shoot much and he's not He doesn't have a great shot, at least 1002 01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,880 from what I seen. If he develops that shot, he could maybe turn 1003 01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:53,319 that around. But he likes to stand in front of the net. That's 1004 01:11:53,359 --> 01:11:55,600 why I put homes from there. I couldn't think of anyone who was so 1005 01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:59,399 relentless battling in front of the net. It's rare to see in our in 1006 01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:02,000 this year, these days of hockey, so I'm impressed by that, and 1007 01:12:02,119 --> 01:12:05,279 he battles to get open. But yeah, I do think just with the 1008 01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:10,039 total lack of bash that he has, that he will be he could be 1009 01:12:10,159 --> 01:12:14,159 like a William Carlson. I also think to a Ryan McLeod could be a 1010 01:12:14,239 --> 01:12:16,479 pretty good comparable. Though he's pretty young still, so we haven't really seen 1011 01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:20,079 what McLeod can do fully at the NHL, but I think he's probably not 1012 01:12:20,199 --> 01:12:24,680 far off as you know, of where he'll end up. His ceiling will 1013 01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:29,279 be. I know in a couple of the Edmonton people that I've talked to, 1014 01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:33,319 they push back on the idea that Ryan McLeod has more offense to give. 1015 01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:38,520 If McLeod is kind of who he is, he's basically a twenty five 1016 01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:42,840 point pace guy that's pretty low and not really fantasy relevant. So if that's 1017 01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:45,199 from can do a little bit better, then that would be good. And 1018 01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:48,800 I know that he's probably pretty widely available in a lot of leagues. I'm 1019 01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:56,159 looking at his his PNHL E through the ranking app. He's hovering in that 1020 01:12:56,359 --> 01:13:00,880 fifty point range which he might be able to bump up obviously, but I 1021 01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:05,399 think the security of knowing that he's pretty likely to play some NHL games probably 1022 01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:09,600 can give him a little bit of boost, right, I think so, 1023 01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:13,319 And I do think he'll put up more offense than McLoud. I think McLeod 1024 01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:15,800 might have another level of offense in him if he gets the opportunity. But 1025 01:13:16,359 --> 01:13:19,520 yeah, as far as Edstrom goes, I think the fact that he will 1026 01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:24,520 be playing sooner than later should bump him up people's lists. I do think 1027 01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:27,520 he will get an opportunity on the power play because he is such a NetFront 1028 01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:30,239 presence and he's a big guy. Again, that offense, though being a 1029 01:13:30,279 --> 01:13:31,560 big guy, might take time, but I was encouraged. I got to 1030 01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:34,920 watch some World Junior games from last year with him in there, and he 1031 01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:39,439 looked really good against his own age. So I think once he gets starts 1032 01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:42,920 to learn the NHL might be he might have a little more offensive upside. 1033 01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:46,079 Then he looks right now playing against men, but he does pretty well. 1034 01:13:46,119 --> 01:13:48,600 But I think he's it's almost like he's a little scared to make a mistake 1035 01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:51,279 in the SHL, whereas when he's playing with the juniors, there was a 1036 01:13:51,319 --> 01:13:55,159 little bit more a little bit more flash, but it was such a small 1037 01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:59,439 amount. I didn't think it was at this time to you say, oh, 1038 01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:02,520 there could be this dangler here, so we'll a lot to see. 1039 01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:08,079 But I did what he was doing against his own age group. Yeah, 1040 01:14:08,119 --> 01:14:12,920 and you should be able to see David Edstrom again this World Juniors under twenty. 1041 01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:15,319 He should be there, and he will probably be eligible for the following 1042 01:14:15,359 --> 01:14:19,000 one unless he's somehow in the NHL, because he'll be eighteen for the next 1043 01:14:19,039 --> 01:14:24,439 World Junior and he'll be nineteen after that because he's got a February eighteenth birthday. 1044 01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:29,479 So we're looking forward to tracking David Edstrom and seeing how he tracks. 1045 01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:31,560 And thanks so much for providing this insight, Mitch. Anything else to say 1046 01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:35,920 about David Edstrom. No, I think we covered all the bases. Yeah. 1047 01:14:36,239 --> 01:14:40,239 I do like this prospect. I think more from a real life perspective 1048 01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:43,760 than fantasy. But I do hope he'll get a chance to play with some 1049 01:14:44,039 --> 01:14:48,199 talented players and show what he can do at that level. All right, 1050 01:14:48,279 --> 01:14:51,439 thanks so much for tiding this prospect, Mitch. Thank you, Victor. 1051 01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:04,720 Hey, everybody a reminder that our show's brought to you by Fan Tracks. 1052 01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:09,039 Move your leagues over there, ask them to help you start new ones. 1053 01:15:09,079 --> 01:15:13,800 They got the most options for scoring salaries, contracts, customizing your rookie eligibility. 1054 01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:16,920 You've got a nice chat feature. You got a good deal where if 1055 01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:23,319 you send a trade request or you send a trade offer, then it kicks 1056 01:15:23,399 --> 01:15:26,319 up its own little chat for that and you can go back and forth in 1057 01:15:26,359 --> 01:15:30,880 a chat window specific to that trade. 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