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What's my honor to bring into our
podcast tonight none other than the Hall of

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Fame boxer and outstanding promoter from Golden
Boy Promotions, none other than Oscar Delaway.

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Oscar, I've interviewed you probably about
a thousand times and knowing you for

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almost twenty five years, but the
first time you're a guest on our podcast.

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So thank you very much for doing
this. It's a pleasure. Dan,

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Thank you very much. And you
know, obviously you've you've been you've

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been very instrumental in the sport of
boxing, you know, to bring us,

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you know, the best interviews,
and so it's really it's really an

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honored I appreciate that. Well.
One of the guys that Golden Boy promotes

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who has already become a star is
Ryan Garcia. You've recently announced his next

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event, coming off of the loss
to Gervanta Davison, what will go down

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presumably as the biggest money fight of
the year in terms of pay per view,

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at least in the United States.
I mean, Tyson Fury, He's

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got his event coming up. We'll
see what happens there, but certainly Garcia

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and Davis was huge, huge event
December. Tewond in Houston, Texas at

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the Toyota Center against Oscar Duarte,
one of your other fighters. So I

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want to ask you about that.
First of all, what is your take

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on Ryan's new training situation After he
lost to Davis, he and Joe Goosen

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parted ways and now he's gone to
work with Derek James, who obviously has

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shown himself to be a top trainer
in his own right, with a great

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stable and plenty of guys he's worked
with. What's your take on on the

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trainer change for Ryan? Well,
my take on the trainer change is that

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Ryan made a great choice because I've
I've heard from several sources that Joe Goosen

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had no control whatsoever. I heard
from several sources, and this is not

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me saying that. I heard from
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he would want to show up,
that he wasn't really focused, and then

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he wasn't. He wasn't one hundred
percent. But new trainer that he chose

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I believe will get him in tip
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He's he's developed developed world champions.
So you know, I I I strongly

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feel that and I hope that this
relationship is a is a good relationship for

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the sake of Ryan's career because for
him, sky's a limit. Look,

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he got knocked out against against Gravante
Davis, and I was very surprised that

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he chose Oscar Dwarte, who's a
knockout artist. He had, I believe,

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eleven knockouts in a row. He's
a serious fighter, a serious puncher.

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So it's gonna be very interesting how
how Ryan Garcia, you know,

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utilizes those new tools that he's been
that he's been learning, uh, and

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that he's been you know, sharpening. So I I'm very curious to see

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what's gonna happen. It's gonna be
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come forward, He's gonna come with
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to lose, and he has a
great record, great power, great skills.

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So yeah, we'll see what happens. Yeah, you're right, by

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the way, I just counted while
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one eleven in a row, and
the one time that he did solf for

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a loss, it was a split
decision over ten rounds, so it's not

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like he got knocked out in the
first round by something like that. The

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other interesting thing I find about the
whole situation with the upcoming Ryan Garcia event,

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and this is not exactly a trade
secret. Here you are working on

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this event with a golden boy and
Ryan and his team, even though you

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have a loss repending against him over
your contract, and obviously that has to

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be a little uncomfortable, I suppose. But from another point of view,

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it's like, Okay, you have
a difference of opinion about the agreement,

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but everybody seems to be being mature
about it, and you're going forward and

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doing the event while the legal portion
of it gets itself settled out, whether

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it's court or I know you have
mediation, etc. How is it like

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to work on an event when you
know there's obviously an issue between the company

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and the fighter. It's it's all
business and uh and just like Ryan has

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stated in the past, it's all
business and uh, you know, we're

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here to work, We're here to
do a job. We obviously know we

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have a solid contract. We obviously
know you know that that we wanna,

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you know, do the best for
Ryan. We wanna you know, make

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the best fights possible. And uh, you know the mediation was uh was

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was just a a a a place
where we can just you know, iron

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things out and uh and make sure
that everybody honors their contract. And so

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I strongly feel that everything will be
okay. I strongly feel that we'll move

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forward and just you know, business
as usual. And how did that mediation

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go? Mediation? Mediation is great. Mediation, Uh, you know,

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give you the opportunity to to iron
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the opportunity to to maybe you know, find out the facts. It gives

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you the opportunity to to to just
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Look, we both know that Ryan
has a great future. We both

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know that we have a contract.
We both know that you know, we

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as promoters want the best for Ryan. So it was a matter of just

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ironing out a few things and you
know, we we strongly feel that that

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this will be over and done with
very soon and we can just all move

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forward. Okay. I'm glad to
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that Ryan is going to have on
December second with Duarte. Obviously he's going

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back to the full fledge one hundred
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catch weight of one hundred and thirty
six to fight the Tank fight, and

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so there's been a lot of conversation
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on that card is you have recently
signed O'Hara Davies, who is a top

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contender from the UK, and the
WB has ordered him to fight Ishmael Barroso

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who had fought against Roly Romero who
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So they're in line to fight for
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title. I should say, Well, Raley is getting better from his injury,

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are you going to be able to
make that match and put it on

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a Ryan's card and set up the
possibility of him fighting the winter for a

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title. Well? Yeah, I
mean it's very interesting. You know that

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you mentioned that we are working on
something like that, and actually we are

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working on that. Well yeah,
but you know, it's it's a perfect

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stage for any one hundred and forty
pounder is a contender who is you know,

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in line to fight for a world
title. You know Ryan Garcia,

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you know he he generates eyeballs.
Ryan Garcia is now a pay per view

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star. So this this platform that
we have in front of us. We're

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gonna utilize it, you know,
smartly, and make sure that we showcase

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the right fighters on the under card. So one thing that happened recently with

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your announcement of the Garcia fight and
getting ready for the Roach event was I

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don't know. Oscar de la Hoya
went on his Instagram and posted some photos

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of him with his old buddy and
former promoter Bob Aaron from Top Rank,

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talking about meetings with each other.
You had your arms around each other.

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I mean, I know you and
Bob if you've had your ups and downs

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over the years, but I feel
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you guys are cool with each other. And you did this fight between Roach

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and Santion together, no purspid,
no nonsense. You made them an offer

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for their fighter, Santion, and
they're doing the fight. And I love

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to see when people can work together
without being forced to do so. So

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now you got to tell me what
the heck went on with your meeting with

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Bob. What was that all about? Yeah, I mean, look,

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first of all, first of all, it was great to see Bob.

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It's great to be working with him
to make these types of fights. Take

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a look at this card, for
Saturday night. We have I believe,

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three promoters. We're working with Samson
Nicholwich, We're working with Migo Coto,

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and we're working with Bob Aram.
So my message to the boxing world,

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to the boxing promoters, you know, I want to keep my word and

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make sure that we give the fight
fans the best fights possible. It was

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a great pleasant talk with Bob.
We discussed Ryan Garcia, we discussed the

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OPEMO, We discussed how to make
the best fights possible. Look, Bob

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is Bob is ninety two years old, or I believe he's been ninety two

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for the last fifteen years. But
you know, Bob is energetic, Bob

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is happy, Bob is Bob wants
to, you know, make the best

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fights, the biggest fights, and
just have a good time. That's exactly

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how he told me. He wants
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So you know, I seriously think
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doing some business together in the near
future. Uh, starting with this fight.

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And uh you know, I believe
that sky's the limit and and and

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and and this message to all the
promoters, if we can work together,

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if we can set our sides,
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make the fight, make the fights
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how realistic is I mean I've heard
you talk about like a big perhaps a

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super Bowl weekend kind of fight where
it's uh uh tia Fimo defending the world

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title against Ryan if he wins on
Saturday. I mean that's a huge fight,

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of course, I mean how realistic
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to talk about it, it's another
thing to put it into action because there

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is still the fact that you know
your your vents are with his own Bob

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has a disagreement with with ESPN.
It is possible to work together, as

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we have seen in recent times.
How realistic is that match? It's it's

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very very realistic. And look,
like I said, Ryan Garcia even though

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he lost to Tank Davis, Ryan
Garcia has a fight with Oscar Duar to

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December second. But Ryan Garcia is
still is still kind of like the gatekeeper

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there at one without a title,
because Ryan Garcia is the one that sells.

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I just want to jump in.
I don't think you mean gatekeeper because

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that has a negative parents Sorry,
I think you mean he's the rain He's

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the rain maker. He's Yeah,
he's the rainmaker exactly. He can make

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it rain and obviously anybody fighting him
will make the most money possible. But

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yeah, fighters like Till Femo,
fighters like Devin Hamy and Pro Grace and

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uh, you know, anybody at
one who makes sense. I strongly feel

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that that we can make. And
when I said about you know, the

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Super Bowl of Boxing, yeah,
we can do something like that. I

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mean, Barbara promotes you know,
uh uh uh course Stevenson, uh,

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Barbara, and you know, match
him up again star guy William Sapeida for

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instance, which would be in a
terrific fight. That's a great fight.

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That's a great fight. We can
do Ryan with Fo Fimo on the same

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card. You know, when I'm
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you know, I'm talking about the
big picture here with the sphere opening,

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and I mean imagine that pay per
view, it would be the numbers would

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be astronomical. Well, I'm never
one to say never, but if you

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can somehow make a fight card where
you had Ryan Garcia challenging Tiafimo Lopez for

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the forty pound world title and Shakor
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of the lightweight title, which he
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you know, with these victorias in
a few weeks and that chim up against

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the paid on the same card,
I will tip my hat to everybody involved.

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And plus and plus, I would
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with somebody like Berlanga where match room
boxing is involved. So this is what

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I'm talking about, then, this
is what I'm talking about where we should

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be working together. There's a lot
of money in the pot. You know,

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there's a lot of money to be
you know, shared with, So

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you know, these are the events
that these are the events that we must

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think about and think outside the box
and make them happen. Well, you

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just you just touched on the next
topic I wanted to ask about, which

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was Jim and Mangia. My understanding, you tell me if I'm wrong,

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is that while it's not done yet
by any means, there's still a lot

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of a lot of stuff to get
done, at least in terms of agreements,

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in paperwork and the particulars, but
that Jimi would fight perhaps at the

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early part of twenty twenty four.
I've heard the name John Ryder come up,

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who is a Matchroom Fighter also and
then Edgar Berlanga is do also to

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fight a fight come on at the
beginning of the year January issue, maybe

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February, and the two guys would
do their fights, but going into those

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fights have an agreement in place with
each other and with the zone to deliver

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them against each other in the summertime. Is at a plan that's in the

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works, Well, it's not a
planet's in the works, But I love

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it. I mean you you you
hit the nail right on the head.

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I mean you, you know better
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promoters, especially Bob Aram and Don
King. That's the way they worked,

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you know, they would set up
their their future fights, you know,

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uh, you know, and and
and think about the bigger picture. You

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know, Jimi Mungia against John Ryder
is a terrific fight. I agree with

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that for sure. Yeah, it
would be a terrific fight. And imagine

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if Jimi Mungia knocks out Rider and
something that Canelo couldn't do, so that

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would that would be that would be
something that I'm very interested in. Well,

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it's certainly not something that you're not
known about, because when you were

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getting ready to fight Ju Bob Aeron
put you guys on the same card,

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prelude to glory, and then you
fought each other after you both beat your

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opponents. You did the same thing
when Top Rank was setting up the big,

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humongous fight between yourself and Bernard Hopkins. You fought together on the same

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card and both got your victories and
then moved on and fought each other.

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So obviously that is something that is
tried and true in the business. I

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hope that that, hope that can
happen. What better way, what better

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way than to promote your your next
fight. What better way, I mean,

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it's a it's a perfect need way, it's a perfect commercial, you

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know, to set up your next
fight. And is that what you're gonna

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work on then try to do?
And I'm not saying that that Berlanga and

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and Mongia would fight on the same
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don't think is in the works.
But is there going to be a plan

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to try to get them in the
ring and have them fight ahead of time

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before they fight each other. It's
it's it's it's definitely a plan. Okay,

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it's definitely a plan. I strongly
feel them that look us promoters and

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everybody in boxing. You know,
I was a fighter first, and I

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sometimes think like a fighter when I'm
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fighter when I'm negotiating fights. And
you know when when promoting a fight,

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I mean, this is this is
the perfect opportunity, you know, for

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a fight to get made, you
know, fighting on the same card,

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announcing the fight is the next fight
on inside the ring or yeah, this

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is this is you're reading my mind. Yeah, I just thought when you

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were saying that, I thought of
a recent example also, or at least

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more recent. Anyway, when when
the when we finally saw the first fight

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between Canelo Alvarez and Gnati Glovekin.
You saw Canelo Alvarez score of victory,

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and what happened your march triple g
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the fight. So it's not you
know, this is not exactly, it's

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not rocket science. Exactly, it's
not rocket science. But you know,

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you're you're dealing with a lot of
people who do not understand and you know,

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like fighters, like managers. Uh, but it can be done hard.

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I want to turn my attention another
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the weight uh on the weight scale, uh to, And that's your cruiserweight

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or your new cruiserweight. Zerdo Ramirez
Gilberto Zerdo Ramirez who made his cruiserweight debut

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on October seventh against Joe Smith,
which I thought was a really interesting fight

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going in, both guys moving up
in weight, both guys you know,

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in need of a victory coming off
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look maybe as good as I've ever
seen him look. He looked comfortable at

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the weight. He he what I
made the joke when he first got in

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the ring and I saw how big
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oh my god, he ate Canelo. But but he but he looked really

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good. I mean, I mean
that was just a joke. But he

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looked light on his feet, he
got snappy, quick hands as he moved

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very well. He always had a
good chin. And you know, Joe

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Smith is no joke, and he
beat him rather handily. I thought,

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So it seems like he can become
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if he fights you know, the
other top guys. It's fighters who have

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already been in that weight class.
But what do you make of his performance

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and should he have been fighting at
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fights ago. Sure, No,
Look he is a big kid. He

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he should have been fighting at cruiserweight
several fights ago. But he looked amazing.

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He looked impressive. Like you said, he was moving light on his

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seat, his head movement, his
his waiste movement was was incredible against a

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solid, solid, tough fighter,
heart puncher and Joe Smith. And he's

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surprised everybody. And uh, you
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take my hat off to Uh.
I believe it's Malik Scott. Uh that

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that is his trainer who who was
in his corner, and he was just

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amazing there. He it's a perfect
fit for Sudo. Malik Scott was just

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incredible, Uh, giving him,
uh the perfect instructions and uh you know

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they're great, They're they're perfect combinations. So I think for Sudo, you

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know, we're gonna sit down with
him. But I do like I do

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like a fight for a world title
at cruiserweight, possibly with a bad Jack

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instance. I mean, there's nothing
wrong with that, I mean bad My

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understanding and having communicated with the WBC
as well as with Beddu personally that his

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title is currently a vacant he is
gonna, you know, or he's in

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recess. His his goal in mind
at the moment is he's going to move

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up to the bridgerweight division, which
the WBC created, and he's going to

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look to win a title there.
Uh to go for what would be a

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title in another weight class. I
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I was thinking, and I'm acting
on what our good friend Chris Mannis said

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on the broadcast when Zerto fought.
You have a ji Opataiah who was with

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mattrim but you but they're both on
his own. Who is the number one

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cruise of weight, the lineal champion, the IBF champion, who looked spectacular

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in the knockout victory and a fight
a few weeks ago, just around the

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same time that Zerdo had his fight. Look, I mean, I know

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he may not be the biggest name, and you know, frankly Zerto maybe

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not the biggest name, but you
know, that's a hell of a fight.

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Is that something that would cross your
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I say that given that you're on
the same broadcaster. Absolutely, absolutely,

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where is open to any thing.
Survo knows that is his window of opportunity

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is closing. Surdo knows that he
must take advantage of what's left of his

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career, you know, and his
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But you know, I think that
you know, any opportunity that arises,

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you know, sur Do understands that
he must take. So yeah, it's

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definitely a possibility. And you know, I'm open to to to working with

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anybody, Like I said, so, I want to ask you also about

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a fighter who unfortunately isn't active like
the guys we just talked about, and

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that's Virgil Ortiz, the welterweight.
Obviously everybody knows if they follow this thing

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for a while, He's had his
medical stepbacks, his problems. Unfortunately,

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no fights in twenty twenty three,
obviously not scheduled for twenty twenty three.

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Has only had four fights Oscar in
the last four years for obviously reasons,

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because I just mentioned with his medical
issues. The fight that with Stanionis was

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postponed a few times, once because
of Stanionas's medical problem when he had to

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have an apendectomy, but the other
times because of Virgil's issues. What's the

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latest on him? Is he is
he healthy? What are we going to

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see Hm back in the ring,
and is he gonna fight for you know,

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a bigger name. I mean,
he tantalizes with his such talent and

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such power and such a good attitude. And I've known Virgil since he started

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pro. He's such a nice guy. You want to see success for the

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kid. But where are we going
with him right now? I actually just

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spoke to him not too long ago, a few hours ago, and Dan,

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let me tell you, he is
on a mission. I mean,

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he understands that he lost. He
lost some time, you know, because

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of medical issues, because of you
know, certain reasons. But he is

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on a mission. He wants to
become world champion. He you know,

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we we have a possible date penciled
in for him and January, first couple

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of weeks of January, we will
we will work on his opponent. You

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know. He obviously does want to
move up and wait, it can even

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be at one sixty. He's a
big kid and so but he is ready

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to go. He's training, he's
healthy, and I strongly feel that everything

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happens for a reason. But his
attitude, his attitude change is scary.

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And when when Virgio or teases angry
in that ring, you better watch out.

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I think I think anybody at one
fifty four or one sixty is unnoticed

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because Vergio is coming for everybody.
He's he's on a mission, and so

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I'm really looking forward for his coming
back. Well, he's got all his

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wins by knockout at nineteen, you
know, and like you mentioned, he's

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not he's not like an old shot
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So the window is still open pretty
good if he can get healthy exactly,

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and uh, you know, this
is the perfect time to just go

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after everybody at one fifty four.
With Aero Spence possibly moving up, and

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with Crawford, you know, being
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sky's the limit to make these big
fights happen. Well, making big fights

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happen. That kind of leads me
into the last topic I want to ask

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you about. So, there's been
a million big fights over thirty seven years

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on Showtime. In fact, I
was thinking about this. If you take

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a look back to the last thirty
seven years, at one time or another,

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pretty much every big name fighter had
at least one fight on Showtime or

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Showtime pay per The only really major, major exception is Oscar de la Hoye,

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who had all of the big fights
in your career, either on HBO

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or HBO pay per view. But
there they have announced, and it's not

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a surprise. Everybody sort of knew
what was coming. It's depressing, but

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they made the official announcement this week
that they are exiting the boxing business.

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Not only the boxing business, but
they're shuddering the entire Showtime Sports department.

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It's going to cost the thirty eight
people their jobs, and the entire department

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is going to go away. But
their legacy is unsurpassed by pretty much nobody

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other than maybe HBO. And I
just wondered, I mean, even though

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you never fought on Showtime, you
know the people there. You know,

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for those who don't know, Steven
Espinoza, who was the president of Showtime

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Sports for the last twelve years.
Before that, you know, he was

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one of Golden Boys attorneys for many
years, so he was involved in tons

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of Golden Boy events. And your
company had a period where you where you

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were a strained from HBO and you
did a whole bunch of events on Showtime

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for years. So I wonder when
you see such an important player in this

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business that you make your living in, that I make my living in no

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longer going to be involved in boxing
at the highest level or at all.

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What does that make you think,
not only for that situation, but for

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the future of the business. Sure, I mean, look, it was

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a sad day for boxing. You
know, Showtime, like you said,

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I mean put on some of the
best fights in the history of the sport.

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You know, you go back to
Tyson and Javis, I mean Trinidad

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and most recently with Crawford and Spence
and Tank. So they they've done they've

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done a great, great job,
you know, Showtime, and you know,

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obviously it's it's a sad day.
But all I can think about is

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opportunity. All I can think about
is this is where us promoters, this

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is where the boxing industry, the
the the the uh, you know,

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the the heads of boxing, the
behind the scenes. Uh. This is

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where we must get together and and
unite and come together and look for that

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and find that next platform that we
can mold into the next you know,

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the next Showtime, the next HBO. Because as you know, Dan,

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that everybody's cutting the cord. Uh, people are still watching linear TV.

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But you know, uh, you
know, everything is headed towards UH digital

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and so I strongly feel that there
is opportunity out there. You know,

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boxing, when you put on the
best against the best, generates millions and

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millions and millions of dollars, millions
and millions of eyeballs, and you know,

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I cannot see any executive from any
other platform or or linear TV,

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you know, not noticing that.
So I strongly feel that, yes,

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it was a sad day, but
there is opportunity. Well, I echo

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that. I hope you're right.
I agree with you. I do think

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somebody else will fill that gap.
Hopefully it's sooner than later. Oscar,

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thank you very much for doing this. I'm always happy to talk to you

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about all these different topics and just
say thank you very much for doing it.

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All right, you got it,
thank you all right, Oscar,

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There you go. Oscar de la
Hoya at the Golden Boy