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The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big Fight Weekend. No.

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Here is your host, t J. Leaves. Well, welcome into

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a very interesting weekend, a weekend
that does not have a fight on the

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grand scale, on the big magnitude
the preview. Nonetheless, we are still

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here on the Big Fight. We
can preview podcast because we cannot go without

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all of the different news items that's
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things. We are here for you, Peeves, fights, hey, but

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news is good, debate will be
good. The lively banter and humor of

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Dan Rayphael will be good. Rest
assured on all of this. I am

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merely the somewhat capable host t J. Reeves. He is our insider from

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Big Fight Weekend dot com. We
gotta get creative, Dan rayphel good to

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be with you. It's tough to
preview fights that we're not having, but

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we'll do our best. I mean, we can preview Brian McIntyre's jail say,

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we can preview Daniel Duwa's ridiculous appeal. We can preview a you know,

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at least not the fight itself in
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still a while away. But get
into the fact that our good friends at

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PBC and Top Rank we're finally able
to make Shakor Stevenson, Frank Martin.

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I shouldn't even say finally because it
didn't really take that long. We can

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preview or discuss the lunacy of the
Tyson Furies recent uh, I'll just save

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it. I'll save it for the
t J boards. It is. It

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is lunacy what Fury is up to, but what else is new with him?

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Much to get to again, thank
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did so, Dan Substacks social media
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into Friday, usually with a preview
of fights. Again, there's not a

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prominent fight card in the US,
Europe, per se on a champion Ship

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fight, etc. Dan's got all
the obscure stuff on his boxing schedule.

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Be all over the schedule at all
times, whether it's to his Facebook page

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as Substack, He's got the boxing
schedule going side. At least, I'm

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gonna just say one thing. On
Friday and Friday Night, there is the

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Eye of the Tiger card in Canada. No, I mean they're they're one

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of the top promotion companies. The
survivor play as the warm up act before

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the fights. That's what I mean
they do. They do have that unusual

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name for their company, but you
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in Canada put on a lot of
events. They have a deal where they

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work on some of these events with
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night is going to be on ESPN
Plus and Christian Mabilly who is a excellent

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strong as a bull super middleweight contender
and great condition, undefeated record, exciting

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up and comers. So he's in
the main event, not against a top

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top opponies fighting demon Nicholson who is
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guys like Edgar Berlanga for example.
You know it should be uh not a

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complicated fight, but that is if
you want to watch fights the very least,

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you've got that. And also they
have you know, the full complement

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of the fights on that undercard.
So there's for example, I consult the

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ray Field schedule, and I know
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fight junior welterweights also on that same
bill because I cook the track of your

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schedule here on the on the program. But again we realize this is not

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the same magnitude of fights that we
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you're not going to be fulfilled.
And let me go out. I'll give

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a little shout out to to Alex
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late Thompson boxing promotion company that closed
down after the big man there, Ken

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Thompson unfortunately passed away earlier in the
year, so he's now got his news

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series. It makes its debut again, not fights that we would spend a

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lot of time previewing in terms of
the matchups. The main events an eight

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rounder between sort of up and coming
kind of guys. But they make their

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debut for that series, which is
available at least in the United States on

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Fox topoort days in Spanish language.
That's on Saturday. It's taken place on

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Long Beach, California. So there's
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for us to have a big conversation
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the ray Field schedule so much.
That's Riga Berto her Massilio, if I

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have it right, And Alexis de
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of us don't. But those guys
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feature on that card. Fox deportis
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California. All right, so you
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of fight news. We put the
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US show to bed. We got
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the best US show back last Friday. We put the podcast to bed.

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Recapping the win by Chris Eubank Junior. We touted Brian bowmac McIntyre for his

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job in the corner. Little did
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to board a flight to leave the
UK in Manchester, England, to fly

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to the United States and Holly handgun
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handgun in the No, apparently A
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on. See that's I gotta check
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Apparently gun separately ammunition. Neither are
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explained it. Okay, but hold
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carry on. It was through he
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that I'm clear on that. That
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hold. It wasn't like he was
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put out their statement, I will
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me to read a little. But
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and they and they. The interesting
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This only got out Monday after we
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happened Sunday with him trying to board
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Manchester Police Departments, uh, you
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people were probably off on Sunday,
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In any event, at around ten
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officers were called to reports of a
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luggage by airport staff at Manchester Airport. This is according to the Greater Manchester

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Police Department statement. After initial inspection
by security staff. GMP officers attended and

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the firearm was seized. Subsequently,
a fifty three year old man was arrested

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for possession of a firearm who was
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McIntyre from the United States of America
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possession of ammunition for a firearm without
a certificate, and then he went to

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court. He was given a date
of October nine for his hearing and he

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was then put in jail. So
instead of coming back to Omaha, Nebraska

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via a flight to Atlanta, he
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Manchester for the next five weeks.
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question, how did he get the
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Do we know any more about that? You and I've been talking of

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the podcast this weekend. We've been
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first thing I thought, because there
are a lot of people that fly private,

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that have money and fly private,
and you immediately pooh pooed that and

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said, I don't think he flew
private to Manchester. So it begs the

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question, how did he get the
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know the answer to. Apparently,
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hundred percent private or not private.
I'd suspect it wasn't private. It wasn't

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This was not Mayweather pack Yo kind
of money fight. So there's only two

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ways to say he's there here there
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he brought it through in the United
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which means somebody fucked up at TSA
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the country. B he obtained it
in the UK, which is very difficult

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because if you know about the gun
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even their police officers, the Bobbies
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tough to get a weapon in the
in the England. Again my understanding,

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though not as though I have attempted
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over the years, not speaking from
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and then the other possibility and this
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pub coming up to some chap Hey, anybody got a piece what do you

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mean? Piece of what? Mate? Piece of what? Okay? Continue

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I'm digress. I'm not talking about
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So. The other thing that was
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mentioned this to me as as they
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the possibilities, as outlandish or as
improbable or whatever as it may seem.

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Is they made the point that when
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just traveling like with your bag,
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You know what I mean. You
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mits, you got a whole bunch
of stuff, and you're gonna be there

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for you know, a week plus, and you got all your gear.

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Uh So it could have been in
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Perhaps you're also bringing other people's stuff, so it could have been mixed

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in, and maybe it didn't belong
to Brian. Also a possibility. Again,

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these are all things everyone wants to
jump to conclusions. Everybody's suddenly on

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a Twitter x whatever is a I
post this and got a lot of push

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back on it, but I don't
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on the law and weapons and aviation. So My perspective is it sure looks

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bad. And obviously they arrested him, you know, apparently with cause.

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But you have to wait till we
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we've heard nothing. I don't know
who his lawyer is yet, so there's

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been no statements from the Brian McIntyre
camp. We don't know if he's saying,

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hey, it wasn't mine. I
didn't know how it got there.

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It was, you know, I
think it belonged to so and so or

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this or that. Anyway. Again, that's why we have courts and laws.

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What's unfortunate for Brian and anybody is, even if it was his and

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he is guilty, in the United
States, he would have made bail like

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that day or the next day,
he'd have been out and wait for his

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court dating, you know, and
hired his lawyer and gone through the process,

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and you know, like every every
city citizen tel too. But this

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is a different country and they have
different laws in Britain, and so now

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he is a guest of the City
of Metro Metro Greater Metro Manchester Police for

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what was a thirty seven days or
whatever it is, you know, So

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because he doesn't have a court hearing
until the ninth, So he's I guess,

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stuck in the in the Metro,
in the in the Manchester jail for

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the time game, which is unfortunate
because I don't know about you, t

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I'm gonna get on my flight and i'm

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gonna, you know, presumably be
in first class or business class, I'm

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gonna have a nice rest, I'm
gonna watch a little movie. I'm gonna

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listen to my iPod, I'm gonna
you know, read a magazine or whatever

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i'm gonna do, and i'm gonna
sleep for a few hours, and i'm

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gonna land and i'm gonna be home
instead. You're in jail, right And

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obviously we haven't heard from him.
We will find out. And the other

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interesting part of this is in reading
into it, which I did, the

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I believe the minimum if there's a
conviction, the minimum sentence is five years.

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They are beyond strict with the gun
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much more than that for just possession
of this. Yeah, I read that

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also so serious charge to say that
either of us are I don't think experts

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on British but based on my cursory
reading on like the official like British website

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about those types of things, it
seemed like, yeah, you're talking about

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a minimum of five years, so
that's serious business. And look, I

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don't listen. He didn't, He
didn't. I mean, I can't tell

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you that Brian and I are like
best buddies. But I have known Brian

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McIntyre for a number of years.
I've sat at hotels during fight weeks.

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I've had long conversations with him about
things other than boxing. Like he's a

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decent human being. In my opinion, I don't think he was looking to,

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like, you know, use it, let's say. I mean,

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I don't know what would possess him
to bring it. But again that that

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punishment, in my opinion, seems
to sort of outweigh whatever supposed crime there

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was. But again, you gotta
let it play out. I mean,

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for him and his family, you
hope for the best and that there's that

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there's a happier conclusion than five years
in the camp. And we should make

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mention of this because my father's in
law enforcement and he's done this previously,

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and it just it varies. You
have to be in law enforcement. You

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can't have your gun in your checked
bag, if you declare it, if

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you're in law enforcement, you have
the paperwork. That's where you referred to

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in the in the statement. There's
no certificate for this, there's no permission

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for this to be there. And
the only thing that I kept thinking after

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this was over, after you went
on and on about whether we're going to

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see Errol Spence and Terrence Crawford,
and you know where I'm going. Brian

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McIntire's the trainer for Terrence Crawford,
and now if this mess is prolonged,

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it prolonged in England and he's locked
up in England, it complicates things for

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a Crawford Spence rematch. I'm saying
that, but I think I think I

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don't agree with that at all.
I mean, it would would be unfortunate

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for everybody involved, and certainly for
Terrence Crawford, because that's your coach and

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he's been your coach for your whole
career. But Terrence Crawford has an excellent

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team around him that works with Brian
that he's been with forever, also Red

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Spikes and the rest of the gang. Again, it would be unfortunate,

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but I don't think it would have
any impact on him going forward with any

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kind of fight, whether it's to
get a fence or otherwise. You know,

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Terrence Crawford is a is a great
enough fighter where you want your trainer.

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But he's got a lot some people
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that he knows, that know him, and they'll just go about their business.

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And it's you know, it's unfortunate, but you know, life goes

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on. Time moves on, all
right. We'll see who's right about that

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one, though, too. I
got two fronts now about the deadline later

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in a year and about that one. You know that situation more than I.

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You're telling me if if if Crawford, you know, gonna see what

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happens with this coach and for whatever
reason that Brian is convicted, if big

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if and he goes away for five
years, that Terrence Crawford is not going

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to fight for five years. He's
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If you remember my premise mighty one. I think it complicates a Spence rematch

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in the short term, and you're
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always love your your unbottled optimism.
And then you come back to two weeks

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later when it's canceled and you're going, I can't believe it's canceled. So

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I mean they weren't complication. It's
I'm not saying it's not like a problem,

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or it's not an issue, or
it's not something that they got to

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deal with. But I don't think
the end result means that he doesn't fight.

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All right, we'll find out.
We'll find out it again for mac

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and Tire. We'll see if he
gets you know, American representation involved and

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et cetera, et cetera to help
expedite things. I don't know that he

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can. You gotta follow the law
on whatever it is. Okay, So

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we move on to other things,
including heavyweight comedy. I'll put that in

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air quotes, Okay. Daniel Dubois
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Dubois has filed an appeal. He
wants a no contest because of the low

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blow or not no low blow controversy
with Alexander USI pick it up from there

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on what's next. And we've already
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succeeding. But go on. But
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they're in conflict. This was Dubois
filing the protest, which the WBA,

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as an organization, would take a
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about something related to one of the
fights they're involved with. The WBA is

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the lead on this because even though
the fight between Duba Usk was also for

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the IBF title and also for the
WBO title, it was a WBA mandatory

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fight because Duba was the regular title
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of their manager of any event.
We all know what happened in the fight.

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Luis Pebone, the referee called a
shot a low blow on a on

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a doult line, waistband, lower
waist band, nave all, whatever you

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want to talk about. In the
fifth round, Ussek went down on the

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canvas. He was given five minutes
to recover and then later continued to utter

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dominate Daniel Duwa and dropped him in
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and then stopped him, dropped him
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he looked at the referee and he
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in a totally one sided fight.
Other than the moments that use took that

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that punch that was ruled a low
blow. Again, the arbiter of the

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fight is the referee. He has
the final say, Louis. I've made

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this point many times. Louis Pebone
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the split second, in the exact
moment, he made the determination it was

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a low blow immediately and Alexander Ussek
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time to recover. If he had
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count, there are many that would
say, yeah, we would have reacted

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a lot differently. He would have
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he would have been a little bit
under dress, but you know, he

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would have carried on as best as
possible any event. The appeal, it's

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a six page appeal. I have
obtained a copy of it. I don't

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know if anybody else has gotten a
copy of it, but I have a

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copy of that. I have read
it. I wrote about it on my

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substack the other night, and they
did exactly what you said. They're seeking

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to have it overturned to an old
contest, which, by the way,

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no offense. Whoever wrote this thing
or the Frank Warren people. But sanctioning

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bodies don't. They could, as
a matter of like almost like a trophy,

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if you will, a just a
way to make an asterisk in their

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rule book or in their record book
whatever. They could make it a no

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contest in their bonds. But in
official boxing in your record, the sanctioning

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body cannot change a fight to an
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there to oversee the titles, They
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things like that. They do not
regulate the fight itself. Now,

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they may have input with a commission
about, you know, giving their suggestions

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about officials. Certainly they do carry
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comes to having certain judges and referees
that do a lot of their events appointed

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to those fights. When it comes
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the out out of the fund that's
up to the regulation. That's up

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to the regulators on the ground,
like whether it's in the vatast Athletic Commission

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or in this case, the regulators
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is where the fight took place.
So to ask that they overturn it to

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an old contest as a preposterous and
just it's nonsensical as what it is.

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So they want it to be overturned
to an old contest. What they really

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want is for the rematch to be
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in their statement they said, and
also to have him maintain his mandatory

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position, but that would really doesn't
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what they did was they made a
lot of arguments in this appeal, like

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I said, at six pages,
really five pages, because the six page

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is merely like a signature page for
Frank Warren, who filed this on behalf

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of Dan as his promoter. They
made a lot of discussion about where the

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punch was and things that were reaching
and making inferences that you can't prove because

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you don't know if he would have
gotten up if he had rolled it up

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a legal punch, as we were
just talking about. So there's a lot

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of stuff like that. They cherry
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Jack Reece, who was a great
referee by the way, and it's done

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tons of championship fights. So and
I've known Jack for many years, great

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guy, great referee, and so
he apparently appeared and I saw the little

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video, but he appeared on a
The Zone talk show and he gave his

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opinion as a referee that he felt
it was a legal punch, which is

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I respect Jack's opinion, But they
cherry picked that opinion because if they had

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gone to like Petty Atlas or any
other you know, a million other people

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in the business. I didn't say
Teddy because I saw his comments. There's

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tons of people that that that whole
hardly think it was a legit low blow

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call, even if he did think
it was borderline. So they cherry picked

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that for their their appeal. And
then they also made a big, big

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stink about the fact that they claim
and they went through a whole thing with

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like a timeline of the minute by
minute, second by second where during the

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course of time that Alexander USA was
on the canvas and then rose from the

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canvas where they claimed that it was, Louis Pabone was quote unquote urging us

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to take additional time. So maybe
that wasn't the greatest thing for the refer

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to do, to tell me add
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the reality was I would only have
a huge problem with that if that time

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exceeded the five minute rule, but
the time did not exceed he'd never in

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the end from the time he got
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I don't know the I want to
say it was around four minutes, correct,

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and you have five minutes under the
rules. So maybe Pobone didn't act

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perfectly in saying he did have time
if he wanted it, because because USI

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was saying he was ready to go. But again, is za grounds to

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actually change the result? No,
No, in my heart, in my

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great TJ voice, what are we
doing here? You were gonna use it

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later, but you would went to
it right now? All right? So

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two or three things. The first
thing is the referee is ultimately in charge,

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and so we can talk about sanctioning
bodies and the commission, but the

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referee made the ruling you said to
us right after it happened. Judgment call

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and time, and again these organizations
stand by judgment call of the referee.

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If there was some investigation of corruption, some investigation that he was derelict in

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his duty, that's different. He
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local as a matter of fact.
So in the in the appeal, they

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actually make the statement, I don't
have it in front of me, but

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they actually said they're not accusing Pabone
of corruption. Ry one thing they did

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make the point about was and this
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again not the kind of thing that
would rise to the level we're going to

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change. The result of the heavyweight
Chambership fight is that they claim that Pabone

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in the dressing room instructions never specifically
pointed out the line of demarcation for what

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constituted a low blow or a legal
punch even and that Don Charles, who

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was the trainer for Daniel Dubois,
had called to attention with the referee that

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he felt like us, liked to
wear his chunks a bit high and wanted

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to make sure he looked out for
that. But then when they got to

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the center of the ring before the
fight began, you know, we've all

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seen a million fights where the referee
goes through the instructions and he actually says,

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here's a low blow. I mean
I can picture, like you know,

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Kenny Bayliss or Tony Weeks or the
late great Steve smog or any they

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literally tapped the spot on the trunks
or on your waistband. I'm gonna call

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low here. Here's good. They
make it real specific Louis Pabone for whatever

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the reason was in the lead up
to this fight, as they sent as

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they were in center ring that he
did not do that. But my perspective

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is if the referee doesn't physically show
that the athletes and the audience for that

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man or where the line of demarcation
is, the default is the navel,

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it doesn't change. I mean because
guys do wear their waistbands at different levels

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by you know, an inch or
two here or there, so it doesn't

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change where your navel is. That's
still the line of demarcation. So it's

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a laughable appeal I read it.
I'm not even joking when I say this,

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Okay. I was literally like like
chuckling to myself as I'm sitting in

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my office reading this and getting ready
to write something about it. It was

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just it's so pathetic. And I
think the reason why it's so pathetic,

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besides just a being pathetic in general, is that most people look at and

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say, yeah, but he lost
every second of the round and then he

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quit. Yeah, So it takes
away like the whatever gravitas the appeal might

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have yes, and and the other
thing is that's what Frank Warren is doing

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on behalf of his guy. He's
almost going through the motions and they realize

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Daniel Dublai is more than likely not
getting a heavy weight. And so what

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I point out when I point out
what a what a ridiculous thing is because

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I took a small screenshot of the
first two paragraphs of the of the of

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the appeal, of the first pages
where it says, you know an essence

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that that you know for not for
the referees bad call, you know Daniel

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dawas something like he's the uncrowned heavyweight
champion. I'm like laughing. So I

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screenshot it and I wrote that,
and also they put in about how they

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wanted it to be made into a
no contest, and I wrote, you

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know that the bullshit from Frank Warrens
appeal starts in the second paragraph, and

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I'm pointing out factual information where you
know the sanction anybody's not making those types

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of things. And so what does
Frank do, the low class guy that

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he always has been. He takes
another critical shot at me because I'm a

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fat guy. I come with facts. He comes with my weight, and

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I mean it's like, come on, what great are we in here?

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I'm coming in fats and with silver. I keep I keep pointing out Frank

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always has a glass of wine.
So I don't know. But in any

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event, two more things that I
want to point out. So number,

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when the referee is in charge,
we understand that the rematch, they're not

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going to order a rematch. We
know this, so you play you play

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it out. They're not going to
order a rematch. And the other thing

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with Jack rees I don't know him. You know him, and I regarded

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him, regarded past tense as a
much better referee years ago. Jack Reese

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has made mistakes too, where he's
been out of position, been slower than

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whatever. And him watching remotely is
not the same thing as the guy that's

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in the ring. And most importantly, there is conclusive video evidence that that

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punch stops starts landing below the belt
line, below the ruffle of Usik.

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It's landing in the nether region right
up parts and it was an uppercut,

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but it lands well below the navel
and well below that belt line. It's

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a low blow period and they have
no hope of getting a rematch, which

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is what they ultimately want out of
this, and Usik should just move on.

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So we spent a ton of time
on that. Oh oh, we're

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back to another Frank Warren fighter co
promoted by Queensberry and by top rank Tyson

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Fury. So Fury I kicked off
more promotion of the Frances in Ghanu flight

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at the end of October, so
you can share a little bit about that.

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But more to the point, apparently
Tyson is done now fighting boxers and

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this has Rayfield bonkers about non boxers. So go ahead, please let me

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let me hear you. Let me
hear your year voice, I mean your

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voice. What are we doing here
with Tyson Fury and not boxers? Okay?

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I didn't go. Okay, So
they had the press conference in London

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on Thursday to make to you know, to have them come face to the

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base. I mean obviously he had
announced the Nagan who fight you know,

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back a few weeks ago. But
today was the news conference and they had

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Bob Aaron was there and Frank Warren
was there, and the two fighters were

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there and uh, you know,
the officials from the Read Seasons, which

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is the festival in Saudi Arabia,
which is gonna make this fight one of

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the cornerstones of their big international festival. Uh in all that business and you

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know, so okay, it was
cool to like I watched the clips of

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it. I saw some of the
press conference. You know, one thing

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I will say and I said this
before and we talked about with this fight.

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Francis than Gando is a very well
spoken guy. He seems he seems

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like he comes from the heart,
like you know, he really wants to

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do this in terms of give boxing
a try. I respect that. I

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mean, that's you know, and
he's making more money that he you know

407
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,119
that the estimates are that he's going
to make more money for this one fight

408
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,880
against Tyson Fury than he has made. If you took every single dollar he's

409
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,400
made in his purses from his entire
mixed martial large care and you combine them

410
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,119
together, he's gonna make multiples of
that. So, you know, good

411
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,799
on uh Nagan who for forgetting this
type of opportunity. I've got no quarrel

412
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,559
with that Fury, of course,
like he often likes to do, stripped

413
00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:26,279
his shirt off, doesn't look like
you know, again, we'll talk about

414
00:26:26,279 --> 00:26:27,880
fat guys. You know, he
doesn't look like he does not look like

415
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,599
he's been training for this fight at
all. Let me tell you, I

416
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,559
don't know how serious he's taking it, but even by Tyson Fury standards,

417
00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:34,839
he doesn't look like Tyson Fury.
Uh. You know, he looked like

418
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:41,400
he was doing a lot more pizza
eating to use Frank Warren's image than he

419
00:26:41,559 --> 00:26:45,319
was necessarily sparring or working out.
But in the event they came face to

420
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,759
face to had a little back and
forth. You know, Furies amusing in

421
00:26:48,839 --> 00:26:52,319
that respect, and so they're gonna
do this fight. But so okay,

422
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:53,640
and again I have not I we've
talked about it when he made it.

423
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,839
I'm not I don't. I don't
hate the fight. I'm kind of just

424
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,279
disappointed that Fury went for this route. I'll go a step further than you.

425
00:27:00,519 --> 00:27:03,680
I hate the fight because it's instead
of an undisputed fight with Alexander Usik.

426
00:27:03,799 --> 00:27:07,839
He fooled around, he botched that
negotiation. Now he's fighting a non

427
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:12,079
boxer and it doesn't do a whole
lot for me, and we're sacrificing an

428
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,359
undisputed title fight. So I'm going
stronger than you are on this, which

429
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,359
it bothers me for that. So
but like I was, thank you,

430
00:27:19,519 --> 00:27:26,200
I can't. I can't argue with
the ability for somebody to make that kind

431
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,519
of money, even at the expense
of undisputed as much as we want to

432
00:27:29,519 --> 00:27:32,759
see where I do have a problem
with it. So I'm willing to overlook

433
00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:36,480
and let him go through and do
this fight because it is intriguing to some

434
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:41,279
people to see the heavyweight champion of
the world against the guy that was the

435
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,839
heavyweight champion of the UFC, stripped
of that title but still considered, you

436
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,680
know, the number one heavyweight in
that sport fight each other. You know,

437
00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:51,039
it doesn't mean that the winners the
baddest man on the planet, as

438
00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:53,680
they're trying to claim, because it
would be one sport instead of the other.

439
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:56,480
But the thing that gave me cause, or gave me pause, I

440
00:27:56,519 --> 00:28:00,640
should say, is when I saw
the clip. I guess before the news

441
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:07,119
conference commenced on Thursday in London,
he made an appearance on First Take with

442
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,200
stephen A. Smith at ESPN and
stephen A was asking about this fight,

443
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,039
and stephen A's questioning was actually very
good. I mean he was asking,

444
00:28:14,079 --> 00:28:17,079
you know, we want to see
undisputed about about Usik. He asked Hi

445
00:28:17,079 --> 00:28:19,000
about would you fight you know what
about Anthony josh Actually I don't if he

446
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,160
asked about Husi specifically, but he
did ask him about Anthony Joshua, to

447
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,319
which Tyson Fury called him a bum
and you know said you know, no,

448
00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:29,799
no, no big deal. And
then he was asked about, you

449
00:28:29,839 --> 00:28:32,799
know what about a fourth fight with
Deontay Wilder, and he said, I

450
00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:36,480
already smashed him three times. And
then stephen a appropriately he said, well,

451
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:37,319
I don't know about the first fight. I did call it a draw,

452
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,480
but then Fury shot back while he
stopped him, the second fight stopped

453
00:28:41,519 --> 00:28:44,839
him. The third fight fair enough, that happened. And then he said,

454
00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:49,920
to which I almost like pissed myself
that after the after the Nagano fight,

455
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,440
which by the way, I'm okay
with, I've said that it's what

456
00:28:52,519 --> 00:28:56,160
he wants to do. After the
Naganu fight. There was no mention of

457
00:28:56,279 --> 00:29:00,000
I want to fight Joshua, I
want to fight Usi for the undisputed championship.

458
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,359
I want to do a fourth fight
with Wilder. I want to fight

459
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,920
you know whoever Andy Ruiz or you
know, the winner of the Joe Joy's

460
00:29:07,359 --> 00:29:11,519
a liary match or whatever some other
like legitimate heavyweight. No, he went,

461
00:29:11,079 --> 00:29:18,599
I want to fight John Jones,
John Jones, Jones bones jes So.

462
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,880
And then I saw another interviewer says, I would fight John Jones in

463
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,160
the cage. I mean, he's
not gonna fight John Jones in the cage.

464
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,160
The TJ in person, what are
we doing here? What are we

465
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,079
doing? I you know what,
I need to have a we gotta have

466
00:29:32,119 --> 00:29:34,759
a T shirt to say what are
we doing? Likes on it? I

467
00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:37,880
would agree what are we doing here? So all I can think about is

468
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,559
like it feels to me like Tyson
Fury, and I I don't I don't

469
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,960
like dislike Tyson Fury, but I
just am making the point in his career.

470
00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:49,319
Now it feels like he sort of
jumped the shark, Like I get,

471
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,599
you want to do this big money
fight. Uh, you know that's

472
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,599
the hybrid kind of fight. But
after that, now you're gonna you're going

473
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,920
to Jake Paul rap. Now,
Jake Paul's a novice. Jake Paul is

474
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:06,000
not a heavyweight championship contender. He's
doing events. People like it. He's

475
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,079
got his fan base. I mean
that's whatever. That's that's boxing at the

476
00:30:08,119 --> 00:30:11,039
other end of the spectrum, and
I've never had a problem with that.

477
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,839
We're talking about the fucking heavyweight champion
of the world. You know, if

478
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,640
you're gonna do this is the truth. He's getting a massive pay day.

479
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,160
There'll be a lot of attention about
this. To fight a low risk fight

480
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,119
for him against a non boxer,
that's what this comes down to. But

481
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:30,400
then to suggest I want to fight
another low risk fight against the non boxer

482
00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:36,559
and Bones Jones. Bones Jones and
Tyson Fury are both about a couple of

483
00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:38,279
fries short of a happy meal.
That's that's interesting in and of itself.

484
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,240
You're turning this into a circus,
is what you're saying. You're turning it

485
00:30:42,279 --> 00:30:48,000
into a circus. When Floyd Mayweather
did the Connor McGregor fight, that was

486
00:30:48,079 --> 00:30:52,640
a one off at the end of
his career. He had been retired for

487
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,359
a couple of years. There was
a gargantuan amount of money. Connor was

488
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:03,920
the biggest superstar in in the uf
see MMA, was still a huge,

489
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:07,480
you know, historic name in boxing, and he came out of retirement.

490
00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:10,319
He did a want to fight.
It didn't impact world titles. It didn't

491
00:31:10,319 --> 00:31:12,519
impact the pound for pound list.
It was just a what turned out to

492
00:31:12,559 --> 00:31:18,079
be a huge, huge event.
Tyson Fury is the reigning heavyweight champion.

493
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,400
You should be defending your title.
That's the point. Now. If you

494
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,440
want to do with the Naganu fight, okay, that's cool, because he

495
00:31:23,559 --> 00:31:26,960
did, you know, for better
for worse. He did defend the title

496
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,759
twice last year against Dillian White and
against Jassore in the unnecessary third fight.

497
00:31:30,839 --> 00:31:34,440
But whatever, those were at least
legitimate boxing matches. Now, you're gonna

498
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,599
fight Nagano, Okay, I'll give
you a pass on that. You go

499
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,440
do your thing, But come on, bro, after that, let's fight

500
00:31:40,519 --> 00:31:42,160
a real fucking fight. Who's sick
is the fight? Baby? And by

501
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,799
the way, there's there's a ton
of ship load of money in the Middle

502
00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:48,920
East to do that fight. Also, uh, it's not like you know,

503
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,880
you're not gonna It's not like someone
saying to you, you know,

504
00:31:51,079 --> 00:31:53,960
fighting Aghano for you know, fifty
million and fight Usik for you know,

505
00:31:55,079 --> 00:31:57,319
five millions. I mean, I
don't know the exact numbers, but it's

506
00:31:57,519 --> 00:32:00,839
the disparity of the finance in terms
of what he can make to fight us,

507
00:32:01,319 --> 00:32:05,799
or what he could make to fight
one of those other non boxers in

508
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,519
the Middle East. It is probably
not a whole great deal of money,

509
00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:10,359
and he's already made nine figures.
So you know, as they say,

510
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,839
give the people what they want.
If you want to respect as the heavyweight

511
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,960
champion, act like a heavyweight champion. I agree. I agree on all

512
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,160
those fronts. Okay, So that's
the pressor kickoff for that. Let's move

513
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,039
along with the news. We do
have some nostalgia before we are done.

514
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:29,759
We were talking on the Recap podcast
about Shakoor Stevenson Frank Martin and that is

515
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:34,200
now happened. They have made a
deal. Elaborate on that and win.

516
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,359
Do we have a win as of
yet or what do we think? Well,

517
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,160
we don't have an exact date.
But the folks at Top Rank,

518
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:45,480
which promote Shakor Stevenson, the point
person, Karl Moretti, the vice president

519
00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:49,680
of Top Rank, and Tom Brown
from TG Promotions, who obviously spends a

520
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,319
lot of time working with PBC and
with Errol Spence's team at Manned Down Promotions,

521
00:32:53,359 --> 00:32:57,720
which is the official promoter Frank Martin, they were able to come to

522
00:32:57,759 --> 00:33:00,400
an agreement which meant that they didn't
have to do the per SID. They

523
00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:02,839
you know, they made a deal
and notified the WBC that they had made

524
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:07,400
a deal. And so therefore the
first bid that was scheduled for Tuesday was

525
00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:09,319
canceled. That was supposed to take
place later in that day. And so

526
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:14,319
it will be a top rank promoted
fight. And again there's no set date

527
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,200
yet for it, but the two
dates and the two locations that are in

528
00:33:17,279 --> 00:33:21,720
the running. One of them is
going to be a Thursday night in November,

529
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:22,960
which is a Thursday night. You
say, why a thursdaynight when most

530
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:27,079
of these bigger fights are on Saturdays, you know, occasionally on Friday.

531
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,880
And the reason because in Vegas on
November nineteenth is the Las Vegas Formula one

532
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:35,119
Grand Prix, which is like a
huge deal in Vegas are like repaving the

533
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,359
strip and they're you know, going
to be a gargantuan event for the city,

534
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,720
and so they're looking to do potentially
they have a date on hold,

535
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,720
I believe at one of the MGM
propertis, I can't remember it was the

536
00:33:44,839 --> 00:33:47,839
MGM or the Mandalai whatever, where
they would do the boxing event on the

537
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:52,519
Thursday night. Well, while there's
a ton of people in town during f

538
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:58,079
one week, So that's a possibility
as November sixteenth, on the Thursday night

539
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,279
in Las Vegas. The other possible
is the annual date the Top Rank in

540
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,519
ESPN always want to see a big
boxing match on, which is this year

541
00:34:05,599 --> 00:34:08,320
December ninth. They do it on
the same night at Madison Square Garden,

542
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:12,800
where in a different part of the
city they're presenting the Heisman Trophy Award,

543
00:34:13,079 --> 00:34:15,159
and so they have the Tisman Trophy
Award in New York City and then they

544
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:20,079
throw to the boxing folks at Madison
Square Garden for a big boxing event later

545
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:22,360
that night. So that's the other
possibility that they could go on December ninth,

546
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,880
immediately following the presentation of the Heisman
Trophy. So that has not been

547
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,840
settled yet. But what I do
know is that according to Top Rank,

548
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:36,800
they told me they have sent the
contracts to TGB Promotions to get everything signed,

549
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:37,760
sealed and delivered, but they had
agreed to a fight and if it

550
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:42,960
happens, you know, it's a
very interesting matchup. Shakrza was the number

551
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,119
one contender to fight Devin Haney for
the WBC title belt that he had become

552
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:49,639
the mandatory in an eliminator that took
place in his most recent fight against the

553
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,920
Yoshino back in April. And Devin
Haney is apparently moving up to one hundred

554
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:58,199
and forty pounds where they're trying to
close down the deal with him to fight

555
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,000
Regis Program for the WBC belt that
division. So the WBC made him the

556
00:35:01,079 --> 00:35:06,000
champion in recess. The belt is
now vacant. The other two fighters that

557
00:35:06,039 --> 00:35:09,079
were ahead of Frank Martin the WBC
rankings, one of them was Vasalivo Machenko,

558
00:35:09,079 --> 00:35:12,840
who told everybody that he's taken the
rest of the year off after his

559
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,760
good performance but close lost to Haney
that took place in May. The other

560
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:22,280
one was Isaac Pitt Bull Cruz,
who about you know who declined to being

561
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,199
popped in that particular negotiation. The
reason most people think that he's headed towards

562
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:30,480
a rematch with Jervonti Davis, who's
the holder of the WBA's regular lightweight title,

563
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,639
And so that meant Frank Martin was
next up. And Frank Martin is

564
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,840
a fellow south Pot like Shakur,
He's undefeated like Shakur, He's a little

565
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:42,199
bit older than Shakir at twenty eight
two years older. But he's coming off

566
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,239
some good performances against Michel Rivera,
who he scored basically shot out against,

567
00:35:45,639 --> 00:35:49,960
had a very solid win over Artem
Hart to tune in where he scored a

568
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,559
twelveth round knockdown to take care of
that business. So you know he'll be

569
00:35:52,599 --> 00:35:55,679
the underdog for sure. But that's
a good matchup. I mean, he's

570
00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:00,480
two two quality fighters, Shakour looking
to become great. I mean a lot

571
00:36:00,519 --> 00:36:02,079
of people think he's going to be
pound for pounds someday, but Frank Martin

572
00:36:02,199 --> 00:36:06,559
is no joke. He's a good, solid quality Contender's got his own hopes

573
00:36:06,599 --> 00:36:08,920
and dreams and aspirations. And you
know when you put two guys that are

574
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,119
hungry like that in the ring for
a for a very coveted belt like the

575
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,960
WBC lightweight title, you know hopefully
we'll get some fireworks and a great performance

576
00:36:16,599 --> 00:36:20,320
from both times. Yep. And
so we'll look forward and then again that

577
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,199
f one weekend is going to be
wild because the track, as you mentioned,

578
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,239
going all the way around the strip
and around the MGM Grand and the

579
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,880
Team Mobile Arena, all that hope
to happen in New York. I mean

580
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,679
that to me is a ton of
a bigger deal in New York because it's

581
00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:34,800
home and it's exciting on heisan the
weekend and all. But we'll say we'll

582
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,079
find out what they're doing. Speaking
of New York, a fighter that's finding

583
00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:42,159
out of New York and has had
a lot of success and rising and at

584
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,960
least raising up her profile, etc. Is Amanda Serrano and a very interesting

585
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:51,920
title defense now coming for her in
late October, in that we've talked about

586
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:57,480
this on occasion here on this podcast, that when the prominent female fighters get

587
00:36:57,559 --> 00:37:00,559
together and get it worked out amongst
each other and with a commission that's willing

588
00:37:00,599 --> 00:37:04,639
to go along with it, that
you might see three minute rounds. So

589
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:12,760
it's been announced that Serrano's next unified
title fight with her opponent Daniella Ramos will

590
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,880
be a three minute per round and
it will be a twelve round fight,

591
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,880
correct, not just a ten round
fight. Schedule a twelve round or so

592
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,159
go ahead with more on that announcement. So if there have been times where

593
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:27,400
there have been three minute rounds,
as you mentioned, and there are certain

594
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,000
commissions in this country where the default
is two minute rounds, So if one

595
00:37:31,039 --> 00:37:34,679
side says we want three and the
other side we says we want two and

596
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,960
they can't agree. The default is
two minutes. Now I can remember,

597
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,239
and I'm sure there's other examples,
but I mean years and years ago.

598
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:44,480
I covered like a Mike Tyson fight
when he fought Andrew Glata in Auburn Hills,

599
00:37:44,559 --> 00:37:46,320
Michigan. And Laila Alie, who
was still active at that time,

600
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,639
she boxed on the undercard, and
I want to see him like a six

601
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,840
or an eight rounder, and the
rounds are three minutes, but it wasn't

602
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,480
a twelve round fight, it wasn't
a big world championship fight, but they

603
00:37:54,519 --> 00:37:58,440
went three minutes. And there were
still certain places where they were three minute

604
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,239
rounds where women's fights, they've had
them in Las Vegas years ago, where

605
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:06,199
you could go three minutes depending I
believe. I believe New Jersey is one

606
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,280
of the jurisdictions where they have the
option that you can go three minutes of

607
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:14,599
both sides agree to it. And
then the other thing is the women's distance

608
00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:16,920
fights for title fights or ten rounds. I've never really seen a movement to

609
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:22,679
make them twelve. There is an
example of a female boxer named Layla McCarter

610
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,000
who's been around for a long long
time, who's won various titles, who's

611
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:30,440
fought everybody. Back in two thousand
and seven, she was in a lightweight

612
00:38:30,519 --> 00:38:32,400
title fight. I believe it was
a WBA women's lightweight title fight, and

613
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:37,280
another organization that it's like a lesser
organization. And she boxed two fights that

614
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,719
year that were in schedule twelve rounders
and both of them used three minute rounds.

615
00:38:42,039 --> 00:38:45,760
There hasn't been that since then.
Now. There was one example of

616
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:51,199
a I believe it was a flyweight
title fight that involved Marlina Esparza who was

617
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,800
with Golden Boy, that they used
three minute rounds, but it was still

618
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:58,239
a ten round fight. This is
the first time that I can think of

619
00:38:58,519 --> 00:39:05,159
since what the folks at at you
know, Jake Paul's company, MVP announcement,

620
00:39:05,199 --> 00:39:07,159
they put out the house of this
fight that it's a fight that's not

621
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:12,119
only a twelve round fight for women, but also one that will utilize three

622
00:39:12,119 --> 00:39:16,079
minute rounds per per round. So
that's unusual. And so that's the fight

623
00:39:16,159 --> 00:39:20,239
that's happening October twenty seven. It's
going to take place at the carib Royal

624
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,079
Resort in Orlando, Florida, which
has been hosting a lot of fights.

625
00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:25,280
They've been doing some of the Jake
Paul Prospect shows, They've done some other

626
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:30,920
cards, and so that makes it
interesting. Amanda Serranto has been very outspoken

627
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:35,960
about being treated equal to the men, and there are those that say,

628
00:39:36,119 --> 00:39:39,079
hey, in women's tennis, it's
best of three sets, and men's tennis

629
00:39:39,119 --> 00:39:43,960
it's best of five sets. And
the w NBA they use a smaller basketball

630
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,199
than they use in the NBA,
and that there are differences between men and

631
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,920
women, and I can appreciate that, but I can also appreciate somebody like

632
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,599
Serranto and obviously Ramos to go along
with it, who is the WBO's interim

633
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,440
head older so this is a mandatory
fight to say, look, we want

634
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,760
to we want to go three minutes, we want to do like the guys

635
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,440
do it, and so we're gonna
go twelve rounds. I was speaking with

636
00:40:02,559 --> 00:40:07,239
Nikisi the Darien, which is All's
partner on MVP promotions, and I asked

637
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,800
him about the getting this set,
and he said they spoke with the Florida

638
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:15,360
Commission and they were supportive of it
when they made their requests and went through

639
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:19,519
their reasons, and so therefore this
fight will be a twelve minute, twelve

640
00:40:19,639 --> 00:40:22,920
round three minute per round fight.
Now, the interesting thing, of course,

641
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,199
Serranto was the undisputed champions. She
olds all four of the major titles,

642
00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:30,320
but in this particular fight, the
WBC will not sanction the fight.

643
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,199
They are on a record, and
Mauricio Suleiman has talked about it. I've

644
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,960
talked to him about it lots of
people. There's an interview you can find

645
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:42,400
the clip on social media where my
good pal Chris Mannix interviewed him about this

646
00:40:42,599 --> 00:40:46,400
very topic and Chris made some valid
points and Mauricio made his points that they

647
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:52,320
don't support women's boxing being twelve round
fights or three minute rounds. They say

648
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:57,960
that they've had various studies done with
medical professionals and there's reasons where they opt

649
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,480
not to do it, and they're
not going to change. And they don't

650
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:01,800
have anything against the Mana Srouno.
They wish her well, she's still their

651
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,679
champion, but they're not going to
involve themselves in this particular fight. So

652
00:41:06,119 --> 00:41:08,320
it, I guess technically is not
for the undisputed title, but her other

653
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:13,519
three belts will be interesting. And
so that's all because let's just check it

654
00:41:13,559 --> 00:41:17,639
off. There's a health concern.
But part of the argument of could women's

655
00:41:17,679 --> 00:41:22,760
boxing take another step is there are
not as many knockouts. There are fewer

656
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:28,960
knockouts obviously in title fights, especially
because the rounds are not as long,

657
00:41:29,039 --> 00:41:30,960
and female fighters have talked about this. This isn't me saying this. Female

658
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:35,480
fighters have talked about this that if
the rounds were a little longer, when

659
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,880
you've got somebody wobbled or maybe they
get fatigued, perhaps you can finish them

660
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:42,639
off in that round. It's been
a common criticism. Well, now we're

661
00:41:42,639 --> 00:41:45,519
going to see it in practice here. And I think ultimately, if the

662
00:41:45,639 --> 00:41:51,679
two fighters agree and they pass the
medicals, and you have paid professionals in

663
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,679
terms of ringside physicians, paramedics,
referee overseeing it, corners overseeing it,

664
00:41:57,119 --> 00:42:00,039
I think you can do this if
everybody wants to do this. But I

665
00:42:00,159 --> 00:42:01,559
understand right now there's a limitation.
So there you go. So now you

666
00:42:01,639 --> 00:42:04,280
know me a while At this point, you know, I pretty much have

667
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,480
an opinion about everything in boxing.
Right on this particular issue, I don't

668
00:42:07,559 --> 00:42:10,280
have a strong opinion one way or
the other. If if they want to

669
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:15,280
do twelve rounds and three minute rounds
or even a ten round, three minute

670
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,679
round. Like, Okay, I
mean, I'm not against it, but

671
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,559
I don't like really think much about
it. If they want to keep it

672
00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:22,559
the way it is, I'm fine
with that. Also, Like I don't

673
00:42:22,559 --> 00:42:25,639
really have a strong opinion. So
if if the women want to do it,

674
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,599
and it's it's okay with the sancting
bodies and the local regulators and the

675
00:42:30,679 --> 00:42:34,559
television networks that are putting it on
et cetera, et cetera. You know,

676
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,519
Okay, I mean, but this
will be a litmus test in some

677
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,760
respects because it has been many years
since we've seen this, at least in

678
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:45,840
a higher profile women's boxing match where
they will have an altered round number of

679
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:51,280
rounds and minutes per round. And
so I saw after this was announced you

680
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,199
had people like Chantel Cameron saying that, hey, why if they can do

681
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,400
it, why can't we do it
with my fight with Katie Taylor in the

682
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,760
rematch? So there might be a
movement if other women, uh, you

683
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,360
know, make make noise about it
and that sort of thing, and then

684
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:09,079
maybe it will become more prevalent.
I'm I guess my best to kind of

685
00:43:09,079 --> 00:43:13,119
split the baby if you will is
to kind of do it the way I

686
00:43:13,199 --> 00:43:16,920
mentioned, where the default would be
two minute rounds and ten rounds maybe for

687
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:21,559
a championship fight. But if the
two sides agree, then okay, extended

688
00:43:21,639 --> 00:43:23,239
to ten and twelve. I mean, are you know twelve and three rather?

689
00:43:23,679 --> 00:43:27,079
I mean again, I'm not married
to it either way, but if

690
00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:30,239
it's cool with the women and everybody
involved in doing the event, so be

691
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:31,719
it. It'll It'll tell you one
thing it's gonna make, at least for

692
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:36,480
this specific fight, probably get a
little bit more of attention from the mainstream

693
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,840
than idea. That's the idea.
And they want knockouts, they want stoppages

694
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,519
and knockouts, and it will help
with that. So there you go.

695
00:43:42,559 --> 00:43:45,960
All right, we'll move quickly through
a couple more things and then some nostalgia.

696
00:43:46,039 --> 00:43:51,840
You also have learned that the IBF, well, the IBF did order

697
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:59,400
Jose Ramirez and Arnold Barboza to become
the mandatory for Subreo. Mattias is forty

698
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:00,880
pound champ and Chip, tell me
tell me more about this, because you

699
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:05,119
did put on our rundown. You
don't think this is likely to happen this

700
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,760
this fight or what do you mean
by that go ahead, Well, I

701
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,440
don't think ultimately will happen. So
just to back up, so Sabrillo Mattius

702
00:44:10,599 --> 00:44:15,440
is the IBF Junior welterweight champion and
so to order, the IBF ordered this

703
00:44:15,559 --> 00:44:19,679
fight back a little while ago between
Barbosa and Josie Ramirez, who's the former

704
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,079
a former unified world champion in that
weight class. They didn't make a deal

705
00:44:23,159 --> 00:44:25,920
by the time that the deadline was
supposed to be, and so they've ordered

706
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:30,519
a purse bid to take place on
September nineteenth coming up, and the winner

707
00:44:30,519 --> 00:44:34,320
of that purse bid would would put
on the fight and the winner would become

708
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,840
the mandatory for Subrillo Matius. But
what complicates matters is a few different things.

709
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:44,920
Number One, Barbosa and Ramirez are
both managed by Rick Murrigian, so

710
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,079
he'd have to have to work out
how he's gonna handle that if he's got

711
00:44:47,159 --> 00:44:52,719
both guys. Two. Top Rank, which is the promoter of Josier Ramirez

712
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,880
has been the longtime promoter of Barbosa, but isn't anymore as he is a

713
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,960
free agent. They let him out
of his contract early at his request.

714
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,920
They had a first last on anybody
that would offer him a deal, but

715
00:45:04,199 --> 00:45:07,760
apparently nobody's offered him a deal because
Top Ranks says, no one's ever come

716
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,239
to us from Barbosa's team saying we
have this offer for x y Z.

717
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:15,800
So he's hanging to hang it out
there and the reality is they don't feel

718
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,760
like that's a big, big fight
and what they do prefer on the Top

719
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,400
Rank side. And I'm pretty sure
if you asked Jose Ramirez this question or

720
00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:25,639
Rick Marigian, who would probably rather
do one of that to mention than put

721
00:45:25,679 --> 00:45:30,280
his two guys in against each other
for a lower stakes fight, because all

722
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:31,639
you're going to get out of the
winner is the chance to fight Mattias,

723
00:45:32,039 --> 00:45:37,199
which is a not a huge fight
financially, and B means most likely you're

724
00:45:37,199 --> 00:45:39,159
gonna have to go across the street
at the showtime for a PBC fight.

725
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,519
The fight that they'd like to do
with Josie Ramirez, again, it's going

726
00:45:43,559 --> 00:45:45,840
to be up to the other fighter. I'm about to mention, they would

727
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,840
love to match him and do a
much bigger fight between Josie Ramires to challenge

728
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,440
Tiafimo Lopez for the w BO and
the lineal title. So for a lot

729
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,079
of different reasons. I don't think
that Barbosa Ramirez is going to happen to

730
00:45:55,079 --> 00:45:58,480
IBF. It's one thing for them
to order it and schedule a perst bit.

731
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,320
Whether anybody actually show up and DIDs, and even if they do,

732
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,199
if anybody signs for it is another
matter. Now, this is the interesting

733
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,119
thing. So when I saw the
letter that I got a copy of about

734
00:46:07,199 --> 00:46:09,239
what the IBF when they posted or
not posted when they put out the letter,

735
00:46:09,679 --> 00:46:14,880
and I took a screenshot, I
posted it on social media. Arnold

736
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,239
Barbosa, who's a good dude.
I like Arnold a lot. He quote

737
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:22,239
tweeted me on the picture of the
letter that I posted and said, first

738
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,719
time I hear about this, but
I'm all game like. So even he

739
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:29,800
didn't know that ordered his purse bid
for a fight, you break news to

740
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:34,360
everybody. Even the fighters sometimes fight
out about these things. Did happen If

741
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,800
Ramirez and Barbosa actually did occur,
which again I don't think it will,

742
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,800
that's a pretty solid fight for a
weight class with two really quality contenders.

743
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,360
By the way, this is the
point in the podcast where I point out

744
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,400
that you went back and forth with
Rick Maridgian about what are you guys doing

745
00:46:46,519 --> 00:46:50,679
passing up on the Regions Prograde title
fight about a year ago at this time,

746
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,440
or at least ten months ago at
this time, and now you're chasing

747
00:46:52,519 --> 00:46:57,159
trying to get it another title fight
a year later. So maybe it'll happen,

748
00:46:57,199 --> 00:47:00,159
maybe it won't, but they passed. They passed on the title fight

749
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:07,440
with program. If the end result
of this situation is that Ramirez gets a

750
00:47:07,559 --> 00:47:10,320
chance to challenge Tiofimo Lopez, and
if he then were to bow out of

751
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:14,400
the Barbosa fight and Barbosa was ordered
to fight somebody else in an eliminator,

752
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,519
you know that would be an okay
sort of scenario where Barbosa still gets to

753
00:47:17,559 --> 00:47:21,960
fight the eliminator against whoever to get
a chance to fight for the IBF title,

754
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:27,199
and Ramirez got an opportunity to fight
Tiofimo for the for his title.

755
00:47:28,199 --> 00:47:32,039
Another show, another positive drug test. This time it's heavyweight Joe Kusomano,

756
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:37,679
and hey it's another matchroom boxing show. I keep pointing this out that over

757
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:38,639
and over again, we keep having
this, all right, so and this

758
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:44,199
is well, after this fight took
place, his knockout of Adam Konovski,

759
00:47:44,679 --> 00:47:46,519
give me give me more, what
if we find out what did we learn?

760
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,079
Well? I do think it's unfair
of you to bag on a match

761
00:47:50,159 --> 00:47:52,840
Room for that because they're not the
ones you want the list? Do you

762
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:54,559
want the list? I start going
down the list of all the fights,

763
00:47:54,599 --> 00:48:01,239
and all I know I wrote them
Dylan, don't Dylan White, Kusamano,

764
00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:07,760
Alicia bamb Gardner, I mean Robert
Band last year, Robert. But there's

765
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:13,360
the list. But the match Room
people are Again I'm not kissing match Room's

766
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,280
ass, but I'm not going to
bagging them either. They're having their fighters

767
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:21,400
or their guys on their cards tested. Just for the record, Kusamano is

768
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,960
not a match Room fighter. He
is promoted by Jimmy Birchfield. He was

769
00:48:24,039 --> 00:48:28,480
signed for this as a one off
as the opponent to fight Adam Kunaski.

770
00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:30,639
So match Room's only involvement was they're
the ones that put the bout on.

771
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:36,400
They're not his promoter. They were
not the promoter of Dylan White, they

772
00:48:36,519 --> 00:48:39,440
were not the promoter of Robert Allennis. They were booking these guys on their

773
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:45,480
shows to fight against boxers that they
did promote. So it's not like somebody

774
00:48:45,519 --> 00:48:47,800
from Matchroom Boxing is going to Robert
Helennius or or Dylan White, or to

775
00:48:49,079 --> 00:48:52,159
Kusamano or to Alicia or whatever,
and saying here, you know, take

776
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,599
these pds. I'm not saying that
they are I'm saying that I mean,

777
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:58,480
they're catching people on their car,
that's true. But they're catching them well

778
00:48:58,519 --> 00:49:00,039
after the fact though, too,
because there was this fight. How long

779
00:49:00,039 --> 00:49:02,719
ago was the fight? Okay,
So this fight took place on June twenty

780
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:07,679
fourth at Madison Square Garden. This
was the undercard when Edgar Berlanga fought Jason

781
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:13,280
Quickly. Here's the thing. This
was not VODA testing or some other organizations.

782
00:49:13,519 --> 00:49:16,920
This was a standard free fight and
or post fight test issued by the

783
00:49:17,519 --> 00:49:22,440
New York State Athletic Commission. It's
coming after the fact. There's no rush

784
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:27,199
to get the result right away because
the fight's already happened, and so that

785
00:49:27,199 --> 00:49:30,079
would cost a lot more money,
and they're doing it on a shoe string

786
00:49:30,119 --> 00:49:31,880
budget. So the fact that it
took that long to get the result back

787
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,639
is not a shock to me,
because there was no urgency. The fight

788
00:49:35,679 --> 00:49:39,000
already happened. It just sucks that
it happened, and you saw Konaki take

789
00:49:39,039 --> 00:49:44,079
a brutal loss in a stoppage in
a in a hlations battle. And I

790
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,039
feel for Adam Konaski because and I
talked to him. You can read the

791
00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:52,400
quotes in my article on my sub
stack where in his mind he's like,

792
00:49:52,559 --> 00:49:54,239
fuck, what am I supposed to
do here? I've got four losses in

793
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:59,760
my career, two to Robert Hellenius
and one to Kusamano. The three times

794
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:04,480
like knocked out one guy pop positive
for a PEED and Helenius even though he

795
00:50:04,519 --> 00:50:07,960
didn't test positive an hour fight,
he just got busted for PD use in

796
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,199
a loss they took to Joshua a
couple of weeks ago. So in his

797
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:15,719
mind, I've lost three of my
fights to guys who were dirty, so

798
00:50:15,159 --> 00:50:20,800
that's unfortunate. So Kusamano is going
to be you know again, he's got

799
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,599
to go through the adjudication process,
but sat my first rodeo. The chance

800
00:50:23,679 --> 00:50:28,159
of anything changing from a B sample
or anything other than he actually had this

801
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,559
in his system is highly unlikely.
So what the Commission will probably do is

802
00:50:32,039 --> 00:50:35,400
they will move to revoke his entire
purse. I'm not sure if they'll be

803
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,199
successful in that, but that's something
they'll try to do at the very least

804
00:50:37,199 --> 00:50:42,599
he'll be fine, he'll be suspended, and they will, as the actual

805
00:50:42,639 --> 00:50:45,559
people that can do such things,
they will change the result of this fight

806
00:50:45,639 --> 00:50:50,480
from a victory and Kusamano's record to
a no contest. And that's plenty of

807
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:53,519
president. I mean, first fight
ever covered for ESPN was when John Ruiz

808
00:50:54,119 --> 00:50:59,559
lost the WBA heavyweight title to John
to James Tony back in like two thousand

809
00:50:59,559 --> 00:51:01,679
and five. I want to say
he tests a positive a few weeks later

810
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:05,519
for that type of test. This
is back before there was a lot of

811
00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:07,840
VODA testing in those types of things, and they changed the result of the

812
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:12,800
fight to a no contest and James
lost the belt. So this will become

813
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,800
a no contest. But it doesn't
help Adam Kannak. He took eight rounds

814
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,679
of beating and uh and it now
feels agreed because his opponent and should retire,

815
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,000
I mean he is. He has
been litally beating he's been brutally beaten

816
00:51:22,039 --> 00:51:24,800
up as it is. And on
the argument of Hellennious Lennius was cleaned for

817
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:30,000
the two fights with Kanaki, so
he didn't fail any tests. He didn't

818
00:51:30,039 --> 00:51:34,119
have voted testing for that fight.
Well, but we can go on for

819
00:51:34,159 --> 00:51:37,079
another five minutes if you like.
But he didn't fail any other way.

820
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,719
Don't make a mistake them advocating for
Konak not saying I'm not saying. I'm

821
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:44,920
making the point that if you're Adam
Konaki in your mind, you're really pissed

822
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:49,280
because you've suffered three losses, two
guys who are associated with using performance enhancing

823
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,039
drugs. That is true for a
later date, a couple more news items

824
00:51:52,079 --> 00:51:55,920
than I promise we'd get to nostalgia, and we are done. And unfortunately

825
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,599
the passing of Mike Stafford, a
long time trainer with a lot of different

826
00:52:00,639 --> 00:52:02,719
fighters, especially recent names that you
would know. Say some more about this,

827
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,519
please, Well, Mike was just
a really good guy. I don't

828
00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:07,920
think you can find people to say
bad about this man. Uh, you

829
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,800
know, I can't say I knew
Mike well, but I definitely knew Mike

830
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:15,719
over the years. A class guy
he worked with. He's a Cincinnati guy.

831
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:19,400
He worked with a lot of good
fighters, a lot of mainly PBC

832
00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:22,360
fighters, but not that that was
the only thing he ever did. He

833
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,480
was the longtime trainer for Adrian Broner, was with him in the best of

834
00:52:24,519 --> 00:52:28,559
times when he won uh, you
know, all the various belts that Dadrian

835
00:52:28,639 --> 00:52:30,519
won. He worked with Robert Easter, who became a lightweight champion. He

836
00:52:30,599 --> 00:52:35,559
worked with Rashi Warren who became a
bantamweight champion. He worked with Jamal Herring,

837
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,079
who won a world title in one
hundred and thirty pounds. He was

838
00:52:38,599 --> 00:52:44,199
a Cincinnati amateur boxing fixture. He
was very deeply involved with USA Boxing.

839
00:52:44,559 --> 00:52:47,480
He worked with a lot of young
amateurs and kids and basically did what a

840
00:52:47,519 --> 00:52:51,559
lot of coaches do try to,
you know, point these young people on

841
00:52:52,199 --> 00:52:54,519
positive path and kind of helped keep
him out of trouble by making sure there's

842
00:52:54,519 --> 00:52:59,559
a place in the gym for them
to learn about boxing and and and have

843
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:04,239
a structured and activity. You know, he was a well liked person in

844
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,960
the business, a hard worker.
And I've been reading some of the uh

845
00:53:07,519 --> 00:53:12,119
posts and things from the guys that
he worked with, like uh like uh

846
00:53:13,159 --> 00:53:15,000
Jamel and others that knew him,
and you know, it's a great loss.

847
00:53:15,039 --> 00:53:19,519
He's only sixty seven years old and
apparently he had been ill. I

848
00:53:19,559 --> 00:53:22,119
didn't know that, but he is
passed and uh, you know, it's

849
00:53:22,159 --> 00:53:27,800
a loss not only for the professionals
who found him, to be a quality

850
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,760
trainer to help them get to their
level that they got to. But definitely

851
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,480
for the younger fighters that he worked
with, the amateurs uh that that he,

852
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,559
like I said, opened up the
gyms four in Cincinnati and and uh

853
00:53:37,639 --> 00:53:44,400
and helped to steer these young people
to a better lifestyle and also to coached

854
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,760
amateur kids to as they you know, potentially could become Olympians. I mean,

855
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:51,320
like Jamel was an Olympian, Rashi
Warren was an Olympian. You know,

856
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,320
Robert Easter and Browner all were both
top amateur fighters as well. So

857
00:53:54,519 --> 00:53:58,239
it's just a it's it's a sad
day for the sport and a you know,

858
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,559
just the loss of another quality person
in the business. And truthfully,

859
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:05,920
again are these are the ones where
it hits hard when they're growing the sport

860
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,920
at the grassroots level and opening up
a gym like you mentioned for amateurs and

861
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:13,039
teaching them, et cetera, which
is what Mike had done for years as

862
00:54:13,039 --> 00:54:15,719
you mentioned. So rest in peace
on that. Speaking of Jamal Hearing,

863
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:20,719
while we're just on the subject,
he had announced his retirement in boxing.

864
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:24,760
We often know, depending on what
the offer is and what your interests are

865
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:28,679
and if you suddenly get bored again
and you don't want to go back to

866
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:30,559
the real world and doing whatever,
you're back. And so Jamal Herring is

867
00:54:30,599 --> 00:54:34,920
apparently going to be back in November, so tell us more. Well,

868
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,800
he took the loss by knockout to
Shakur Stevenson when he lost his bio titled

869
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:43,559
one hundred thirty Pounds No shame of
losing the sport. Stevenson came back in

870
00:54:43,639 --> 00:54:47,039
his next fight and at the time
Jamine Ortiz was considered a guy that he

871
00:54:47,119 --> 00:54:51,159
was supposed to beat, and he
lost a decision to Jamine Ortiz. So

872
00:54:51,199 --> 00:54:53,760
that was two and row. Jamine
has established himself now as a good contender,

873
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:58,519
gave Lomachenko a super tough fight in
a closed loss in any event,

874
00:54:58,599 --> 00:55:01,320
so he took the two losses.
He retired, and now eighteen months later

875
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:05,880
he's going to be back in the
ring. He announced on social media back

876
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:07,480
in like a month or so ago
or whatever that he was coming out of

877
00:55:07,559 --> 00:55:10,880
retirement and that his new trainer was
going to be Wayne McCullough. He had

878
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,800
been working with Top Rank for the
last few years. Before that, he

879
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:16,800
had been with PBC for quite a
while. After you know, Jamal was

880
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:21,559
known to everybody, well liked by
everybody, had been the captain of his

881
00:55:21,679 --> 00:55:25,559
Olympic team and ended up winning a
world title. You know, kind of

882
00:55:25,639 --> 00:55:29,440
like he was one of those guys
when he came out of the amateurs,

883
00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:31,679
was not expected to be a world
champion. He sort of like was overachieving.

884
00:55:31,679 --> 00:55:36,480
He suffered a loss or so earlier
in his career. Anyway, everybody

885
00:55:36,559 --> 00:55:38,440
likes Jamal Herring. I wish him
good luck. But he's now coming back.

886
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:42,760
So he's got an event hasn't been
announced yet, but my sources tell

887
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,360
me it will headline a Debella Entertainment
cards, So I'll work with Lou Debella

888
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:49,400
on this fight. He'll take place
at the Edison Ballroom in Manhattan, which

889
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,599
is hosted a bunch of fights over
the years, and I'll take on an

890
00:55:52,679 --> 00:55:55,599
undefeated fighter named Nick Molina who's thirteen
to o but hasn't really fought anybody thus

891
00:55:55,639 --> 00:55:59,760
far. It's an any rounder,
and it'll be te streamed on the Zone,

892
00:56:00,199 --> 00:56:01,960
and he'll make a comeback and see
what he can do if he's got

893
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:06,559
anything left to give at what is
he thirty seven years old now at this

894
00:56:06,639 --> 00:56:09,440
point or so, and see if
he can, you know, try to

895
00:56:09,559 --> 00:56:12,960
make a climb and get another shot
at some of the bigger fights. And

896
00:56:13,079 --> 00:56:15,840
I have fondness for this guy.
We've had him on the podcast previously a

897
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:21,760
couple of times Semper five and he
corrected me because I have family members and

898
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,599
others, and he says, don't
call us X marines were Marines for life,

899
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:30,199
just say just say we're Marines.
So he had two tours in Iraq

900
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:35,400
and again in his story. I'm
not saying that there aren't other difficult stories,

901
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,400
but Jamel was the gunner on top
of a tank in Iraq, and

902
00:56:38,559 --> 00:56:43,159
he has been open about this.
Dan Raphael, where he would say that

903
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:45,719
you would you would wake up in
a morning and wonder, is this the

904
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,960
day I may die? Where I
am up on top of a tank as

905
00:56:50,039 --> 00:56:52,960
a gunner and somebody a sniper,
an ied, or something happens to me.

906
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:59,119
And he said you had to grow
accustomed to facing death paraphrasing Jamal's words

907
00:56:59,199 --> 00:57:02,440
on a regular basis, that something
could be happening to me today that takes

908
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:06,559
my life, and once you've done
that, whatever's happening in a boxing ring

909
00:57:06,679 --> 00:57:08,840
is kind of secondary to that.
In terms of violence or thinking about what

910
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:14,280
could happen to you. I enjoy
him on the commentary as well. I

911
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,280
don't have to see Jamal Harry.
If he can get big pay day or

912
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,400
two, okay, great, but
I don't have to see him fight on

913
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,519
because I'd love to see him still
be a commentator and go that route.

914
00:57:22,519 --> 00:57:23,719
What do I know? But now
he's going to be back in November,

915
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:28,519
So there's my thoughts on him coming
back. One more news item and then

916
00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:30,280
the nostalgia. I promise we've had
like fifty seven news items. We didn't

917
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:34,159
have any fights. First of all, there might be a lot of people

918
00:57:34,159 --> 00:57:36,440
listening that want to hear the news
items they don't care about the nossalga.

919
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:38,599
Well, but the nostalgia is still
coming. But one more news item is

920
00:57:38,639 --> 00:57:43,519
Otto Valen and Murat Gassiev. If
you knew that name Gassiev, it's because

921
00:57:43,559 --> 00:57:45,440
he was a cruiserweight. So this
is a heavyweight fight. What have we

922
00:57:45,559 --> 00:57:49,760
learned on when this is and where
this is? Well, so Gassiev was

923
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,960
the undefeated, unified title holder at
the cruiserweight when any day loss is only

924
00:57:53,039 --> 00:57:57,920
fight to usk for undisputed. When
they met in the finals of the World

925
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,920
Boxing Super Series in two eighteen.
He then moved up to the heavyweight division.

926
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:05,159
Uh and he you know, he
has won four fights in a row

927
00:58:05,199 --> 00:58:07,920
in that weight class, but it's
been starts and stops. He's that injuries

928
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,679
and promotional issues and there was the
pandemic and a lot of things have sort

929
00:58:10,679 --> 00:58:15,920
of kept him not that busy.
And Otto Wellen, you know, had

930
00:58:15,559 --> 00:58:19,360
the one loss, but it's the
one he got the most attention for because

931
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:23,880
he gave Tyson Fury arguably the toughest
fight of his career except maybe Deonda Wilder.

932
00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:28,599
In any event, they're both looking
for like a name opponent to fight

933
00:58:28,679 --> 00:58:31,840
and something or other to do while
they try to position themselves for something bigger.

934
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:37,000
And so I am told that by
Leon Margalis, who was one of

935
00:58:37,039 --> 00:58:40,239
the promoters involved with the event,
that they're going to fight each other on

936
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:45,119
September thirtieth. It will take place
in like this resort town in Turkey.

937
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:51,280
To remember the name of it.
It's a uh ant ant Anto Yaya,

938
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:52,840
Turkey, I guess is what it's
called. I'll take your word for it,

939
00:58:53,079 --> 00:58:55,840
but anyway, it's kind of like
an under the radar, kind of

940
00:58:57,039 --> 00:58:59,719
kind of like sneaky good kind of
matchup, like, I don't know why

941
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,760
I lean against Mamurrak Gossi. It
kind of comes out of nowhere. It's

942
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,559
not the kind of fight you'd think
about and say, oh, why I

943
00:59:04,599 --> 00:59:07,079
gotta see that fight, but then
somebody says you, hey, how about

944
00:59:07,119 --> 00:59:10,039
this fight? And particular in a
year like this where the heavyweight action has

945
00:59:10,119 --> 00:59:15,000
been pretty bad, I mean,
other than largely Garbo, other than the

946
00:59:15,079 --> 00:59:20,840
activity of Anthony Joshua, there's been
really nothing else to write home about,

947
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,119
frankly in the heavyweights other than the
fact that we're going to see Joe Joyce

948
00:59:23,199 --> 00:59:27,880
and Zang jul I fight for the
second time. So this is kind of

949
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,800
like a sneaky, interesting kind of
heavyweight fights. So anyway, that's not

950
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:35,280
not not huge news, but it's
just a matter of fact that this is

951
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:40,360
This is supposedly taking place September thirtieth. Okay, Nostalgia Time involves heavyweights and

952
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:46,519
involves Mike Tyson. It involves his
return to the ring to become heavyweight champion.

953
00:59:46,559 --> 00:59:50,000
He already had a return fight,
which we talked about recently with Peter

954
00:59:50,119 --> 00:59:55,480
McNeely. He came back to championship
prominence air quotes, winning the w BA

955
00:59:55,880 --> 01:00:00,639
heavyweight title twenty seven years ago on
thurs Day as we released the podcast September

956
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:06,440
seventh, Was it a punch?
Didn't look much like a punch against Bruce

957
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:13,119
Selden and the booing was lustily made
a rounding booze you will knock out of

958
01:00:13,159 --> 01:00:17,239
Selden. Could you imagine if Twitter
or social media of any kind existed in

959
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:21,880
nineteen ninety six, right, this
would have as they say, like we

960
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:23,840
saw what happened just in the wake
of the Is it a low blow?

961
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:29,960
Is a legal punch with us against
against Dubach. Mike Tyson's one hundred times

962
01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:32,159
as big a name as both those
guys put together. And this was a

963
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:36,760
major heavyweight title fight on pay per
view in the United States. It was

964
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:38,880
set pay per view, the old
name for a showtime pay per view,

965
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:44,000
big mega fight you know, or
promotion anyway, at the MGM Grant in

966
01:00:44,119 --> 01:00:46,719
Las Vegas, and everybody's geeked up
for the to see Tyson back. Remember

967
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:51,199
this was a fight where yes he
was fighting Bruce Seldon for Seldon's belt,

968
01:00:51,679 --> 01:00:55,639
but Mike had been out of prison
and had had fights, but not a

969
01:00:55,679 --> 01:01:00,039
tunnel fight. He had fought mcneally. He had fought Busterer Maths, He

970
01:01:00,119 --> 01:01:04,239
had Beaten and Frank Bruno in their
rematch for the WBC title, but then

971
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:08,199
vacated the title because he was basically
ducking Lennox Lewis, who was the mandatory

972
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:14,280
and and and paid Lennox a ton
of money to not fight him and ended

973
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,719
up instead, as you know,
giving up the BC title now fighting Bruce

974
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:22,559
Seldon for the WBA title. So
it was a very big promotion and the

975
01:01:22,679 --> 01:01:25,840
fight starts and like and felt like
about five It was really what I'm looking

976
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:30,119
here at the one minute in forty
nine seconds, and the question is did

977
01:01:30,159 --> 01:01:34,840
Selden get hit? There were so
many people that believe that that Bruce Selden

978
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,679
just literally took a dive in that
fight. I never thought he took a

979
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:42,000
dive. I just thought he was
absolutely fucking petrified and unch looked like it

980
01:01:42,159 --> 01:01:45,079
hit him in the shoulder. When
you go back and watch the replays,

981
01:01:45,159 --> 01:01:46,519
it doesn't look like it hit him
in the head. And that's why people

982
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:51,440
have always thought dive. As soon
as he was going to hit with something,

983
01:01:51,559 --> 01:01:53,199
just laid down just a left hook. He was looking for a saft

984
01:01:53,199 --> 01:01:57,519
spot on the campus. I don't
disagree with that. I think it was

985
01:01:57,559 --> 01:02:00,119
more out of being petrified than of
a true punch, fair enough. But

986
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:06,320
the thing about it was when that
happened, people went absolutely ape shit.

987
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,800
Now, if you weren't around back
then, you know now we pay eighty

988
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:13,440
five bucks sometimes if you buy a
pay per view for like a spence across

989
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:15,280
the fight back then, you know, it was like fifty bucks probably or

990
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:19,320
something like that. But that was
still considered like a premium price for a

991
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,280
pay per view fight, because there
were lots of other fights that were like,

992
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,400
you know, twenty nine ninety five
and thirty four ninety five and that

993
01:02:23,679 --> 01:02:28,000
sort of business. But this was
like on the higher echelon of the costs.

994
01:02:28,039 --> 01:02:30,000
I'm a pay per view and people
went absolutely nuts. There was talk

995
01:02:30,079 --> 01:02:31,800
of, like I don't know if
they actually followed them, but like a

996
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:37,400
lawsuits because of like fraud, and
a lot of people were getting refunds.

997
01:02:37,519 --> 01:02:40,840
May tell you what I've definitely remember. I remember Jim Gray doing the interview

998
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,519
in the ring, and the crowd, which had paid thousands of dollars for

999
01:02:45,639 --> 01:02:50,599
ringside seats, just raining down the
booze. I don't remember them throwing debris

1000
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:54,880
because they were showing on those big
TVs which were fairly new, the replay

1001
01:02:55,400 --> 01:03:00,360
when they were trying to portray this
as a knockout and a punch, and

1002
01:03:00,519 --> 01:03:05,360
the people were booing and you had
a scene there because they basically got less

1003
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:08,159
than two minutes of a heavyweight title
fight and a non punch And I vividly

1004
01:03:08,159 --> 01:03:12,239
remember that twenty seven years ago.
Wow, you can go back and releven

1005
01:03:12,519 --> 01:03:15,239
was you know, I think most
boxing fans understand that the prospect of a

1006
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:19,360
first round knockout exists, and that's
just the way it ghosts. It's the

1007
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:22,960
fact that they felt like it was
it was a sham, that it wasn't

1008
01:03:22,039 --> 01:03:24,840
legitimate, that it was completely fraudulent. You know, if you get a

1009
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:28,559
guy gets clean clocked in one round, I mean, that's life. But

1010
01:03:28,679 --> 01:03:30,280
they were pissed off because they felt
like Bruno just I said, or that

1011
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:35,639
n Bruno Brucel Meldon just just laid
down and wasn't there too. And just

1012
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:37,440
to give you, to give you
an idea, again, we've talked about

1013
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,800
this over and over again. Tyson
emerges from prison. He fought Peter mcneelely

1014
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:44,880
on pay per view, but the
fight with buster. Mathis right, and

1015
01:03:45,039 --> 01:03:47,880
you have that in front of you
that was on over the air TV on

1016
01:03:49,119 --> 01:03:52,239
Fox. They outbid everybody. And
I still remember seeing this that it had

1017
01:03:52,360 --> 01:04:00,320
over forty four zero million people watching
on network TV. Forty million, remember

1018
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:01,840
the exact number, but there was
a big deal. Over forty million.

1019
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:04,320
That tells you how big a deal
this was. And it did get a

1020
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:09,519
lot of scrutiny on the Selden fight
here on ESPN and elsewhere of was it

1021
01:04:09,599 --> 01:04:12,639
a punch the frank brutal fight before
the Seldon fight that was a big pay

1022
01:04:12,679 --> 01:04:15,679
per view fight. Awesome? Yep. So there's the nostalgia from twenty seven

1023
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:18,880
years ago and one more bit of
heavyweight nostalgia and then I promise we're done

1024
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:24,880
here and that is the tally Klitch
Go and what turned out to be his

1025
01:04:25,119 --> 01:04:29,760
final fight. The anniversary is Friday
the eighth, eleven years ago, September

1026
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,400
eight, twenty twelve. Tell me
more about that final fight. Well,

1027
01:04:32,559 --> 01:04:35,559
last week's podcast, if you remember
the last episode, we talked about how

1028
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:42,719
Manuel Shar had been reinstated by the
WBA as their regular title holder after the

1029
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:46,800
Dua Whosi situation eliminated that delt but
they were settling a lawsuit that Shar had

1030
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:50,280
filed. And now he's back.
Like Jason, you can't get rid of

1031
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:54,760
him from the Friday the thirteenth movies. But if you go back to this,

1032
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,280
this was the first time he fought
for a real title, not the

1033
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:01,800
sham title he fought batally at the
time when he fought Vitali Klitchko. You

1034
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,519
know, now, I don't think
anybody considers Manuel Shar to be any kind

1035
01:05:04,559 --> 01:05:09,639
of like serious contender, if you
will. But at the time that he

1036
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:13,800
fought Clichko, he may not have
been that irreputable, but he was twenty

1037
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:17,559
one and zero Vitali was fighting him. You know, they were not fighting,

1038
01:05:17,599 --> 01:05:20,039
They were fighting a neutral territory.
The fight took place in Moscow,

1039
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:24,639
Russia, even though Klichko, of
course was from Ukraine, was brought up,

1040
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,960
you know, as a base out
of Germany. Shar was fighting out

1041
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:30,360
of Germany's originally from Syria. But
anyway, so they did this fight.

1042
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:35,239
It was on HBO in the United
States and Klichko, no surprise, dominated

1043
01:05:35,559 --> 01:05:39,840
He dropped Manuel Shar in the second
round, or now he calls himself mock

1044
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:43,440
mood. Shar in the second round. Then he was just Manuel Shar and

1045
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:47,400
he opened up You remember the hallmark
a moment, one of the hallmark moments

1046
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:53,280
of Vitali Klitchko's career was suffering that
gaping wound over his eye in a cut

1047
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:57,639
against Lennox Lewis and him desperate to
continue in the in the in the fight

1048
01:05:57,719 --> 01:06:00,079
being stopped by the referee in the
doctors as the cut was so severe.

1049
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,960
Well, if you if you as
bad as that cut was, he opened

1050
01:06:04,039 --> 01:06:09,480
up cuts almost as bad or worse
on Manuel Shar in this fight. And

1051
01:06:09,599 --> 01:06:13,400
so that's why this fight was stopped
after or in the fourth round, because

1052
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:16,679
the cuts that Manuel Shar had were
just brutal. I can picture there's the

1053
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:21,039
scene on the broadcast where they show
Manuel Shar not only is his bloody face,

1054
01:06:21,159 --> 01:06:26,119
but he's literally his entire chest is
just shrieked with blood because it's been

1055
01:06:26,199 --> 01:06:29,280
pouring from the wound. But the
thing about it was when Klitchko had this

1056
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:31,400
fight, going into the fight,
he said, this is my last fight.

1057
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:33,880
I'm going to retire. Now he
was still fighting at a very high

1058
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:38,960
level. He was making something like
his ninth title defense of this second title

1059
01:06:39,039 --> 01:06:42,360
ring. Because if you remember when
he regained the belt, and then he

1060
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:45,840
was supposed to have a mandatory against
Hassim Rockman. He had a back problem

1061
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:50,639
and he probably retired for like four
years almost there's thereabouts. He came back.

1062
01:06:50,719 --> 01:06:54,639
He was put in recess by the
WBC when he was better, and

1063
01:06:54,679 --> 01:06:57,840
he decided to return. He thought
Samuel Peter in his first fight, he

1064
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:00,599
absolutely beat the living shit out of
Samuel Peter. Regained the WBC title after

1065
01:07:00,679 --> 01:07:03,039
that long laff, and then went
on a stretch where he, you know,

1066
01:07:03,159 --> 01:07:05,280
beat a lot of good, solid
of guys, you know, Shannon

1067
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:12,400
Briggs and nolany Or Solis and Thomas
Adamek and Derek Chisora and you know Kevin

1068
01:07:12,679 --> 01:07:15,400
what he called, Chris Haariola,
Juan Carlos Gomez. Anyway, he was

1069
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:17,760
beating all these guys and there was
no reason why he needed to stop.

1070
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:19,800
You he was still at a high, high level, but he was going

1071
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:23,519
to devote his life to politics.
And I find it to be kind of

1072
01:07:23,559 --> 01:07:27,239
amazing that here we are talking about
this on the anniversary of this fight that

1073
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:30,840
took place in Moscow, I might
add, and now he is the mayor

1074
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:34,519
of Kiev in Ukraine. He's one
of the towering political figures in that country,

1075
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:39,519
pouring up by war against Russia,
and he's on like the pooh and

1076
01:07:39,599 --> 01:07:43,960
hit list, and he has emerged
as a literal hero to his people doing

1077
01:07:44,039 --> 01:07:47,159
what he's doing to, you know, for to make things better as possible

1078
01:07:47,199 --> 01:07:50,239
in Ukraine. And you know,
I guess other than their president Zelenski,

1079
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:55,960
he's probably the most well known and
popular political figure in the country. And

1080
01:07:57,239 --> 01:08:00,639
that was his last fight. So
we spent the last eleven years voting himself

1081
01:08:00,679 --> 01:08:03,000
not only forget about boxing, since
inducted into the Hall of Fame, but

1082
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:08,360
his life is now not known as
a as a great Hall of Fame professional

1083
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:13,079
heavyweight champion boxer, but as a
as a top political figure, you know,

1084
01:08:13,679 --> 01:08:17,279
fighting for peace and for democracy,
you know, his home country of

1085
01:08:17,399 --> 01:08:19,760
Ukraine. And keep in mind,
I've said this on the podcast before,

1086
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:24,600
and we've talked about the other things
related to Klichko. He doesn't have to

1087
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:29,359
do this. He made crazy money
in his career, nine figures. He's

1088
01:08:29,399 --> 01:08:31,359
got children, he's got a wife. Obviously. His brother was a former

1089
01:08:31,399 --> 01:08:35,119
heavyweight champion in Vladimir Lchko, and
he spent a number of years if his

1090
01:08:35,359 --> 01:08:40,079
you know, back at this period
of time in his life living in California,

1091
01:08:40,119 --> 01:08:42,119
in the LA area, enjoying life. You know, one of his

1092
01:08:42,159 --> 01:08:45,520
at least one of his children is
born in California, and he decided to

1093
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:48,199
go back to Ukraine and to get
involved with this so he could be in

1094
01:08:48,279 --> 01:08:51,880
the United States. And you know, being a businessman working in the sport

1095
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:54,960
of boxing, if he wanted to
do a lot of different things, making

1096
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:57,399
a lot of money, but he
gave all of that up, including the

1097
01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:00,000
heavyweight championship, to go back and
try to make his country a better place.

1098
01:09:00,079 --> 01:09:04,119
And I always respect you. And
by the way, just one more

1099
01:09:04,279 --> 01:09:10,000
social comment and world news and world
platform comment. That conflict has been going

1100
01:09:10,079 --> 01:09:12,520
on for a year and a half
and just because it's not on the nightly

1101
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:16,479
news in the United States and not
prevalent everywhere, it is still life and

1102
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:20,640
death every day in Ukraine. I
mean, there was another incident this week

1103
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:26,479
where there was a tomahawk missile or
a cruise missile or whatever that killed dozens

1104
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:30,279
of people, including women and children
in one of the Ukrainian towns. It's

1105
01:09:30,359 --> 01:09:36,079
not an ongoing nationwide every single day
on slot, but this occupation where the

1106
01:09:36,399 --> 01:09:41,239
Russians have taken parts of Ukraine.
They're attacking other parts of it. It

1107
01:09:41,319 --> 01:09:44,000
has gone on for a year and
a half and the clitch Goes have remained

1108
01:09:44,039 --> 01:09:47,960
there to your point, and remain
firm that they want Ukraine to be free

1109
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:51,079
and they want the Russian armies to
be run out, the Russian Army to

1110
01:09:51,119 --> 01:09:55,800
be run out by whatever means necessary. So that continues to go on,

1111
01:09:56,079 --> 01:09:58,399
is my only point. A year
and a half later, and I don't

1112
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:00,640
know how much longer. I mean, it might go another I hope not.

1113
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:03,920
It might go longer than that that
that battle has gone on. And

1114
01:10:04,199 --> 01:10:08,800
so there you go. So some
good nostalgia on the final fight of former

1115
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:13,600
heavyweight champ Bialy Clitch. Going with
that, we are done with a preview

1116
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:15,520
that did not have prominent fights again
for this weekend, so we will get

1117
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:21,319
creative give a quick plug because there
are not prominent fights and in part because

1118
01:10:21,359 --> 01:10:26,039
I am traveling back part of my
broadcast duties with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

1119
01:10:26,079 --> 01:10:30,279
The regular season is underway. We're
playing in Minnesota, the Great White North

1120
01:10:30,359 --> 01:10:32,960
in Minneapolis. We are traveling back
Sunday night, and because of the lateness

1121
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:38,960
of the hour and the fact look
we love Seinfeld. We saw Seinfeld out

1122
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:42,319
in Las Vegas. Jerry Seinfeld,
hilarious comedian and the show about nothing.

1123
01:10:42,399 --> 01:10:45,760
He made his empire about nothing.
Sunday Night show was going to largely be

1124
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:48,399
about nothing. You just heard a
great deal on this preview of what the

1125
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:51,960
Sunday Nights Show was going to impart
probably be, so you came up with

1126
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:57,840
a plan B plug away on that
for Sundays, so you're not going to

1127
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:01,119
have me and TJ recapping fights.
It didn't take place, but we've discussed

1128
01:11:01,199 --> 01:11:03,840
a whole shipload of news now.
I guess it's possible that between now and

1129
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:06,920
then something else. We'll just have
to save that for later on. So

1130
01:11:08,159 --> 01:11:12,159
what we have for you listeners is
actually what I think was a fantastic interview

1131
01:11:12,199 --> 01:11:15,800
that I conducted this week with the
manager Keith Connelly. And he said,

1132
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:17,880
well, why are you talking to
the manager Keith Connelly? And the reason

1133
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:20,079
I've talked to Kick Connelly, the
manager who doesn't really do a lot of

1134
01:11:20,119 --> 01:11:25,000
interviews for that matter, because he
is involved with so many different fighters who

1135
01:11:25,039 --> 01:11:28,079
are in the news. So we
talked about pretty much everybody. We went

1136
01:11:28,159 --> 01:11:30,760
through what's going on with Philip Hehrgovich, for example, who's you know,

1137
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:33,800
these are all people that Keith managers. He is the manager of Hergovitch,

1138
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:36,319
who was right in the middle of
all this business in the heavyweight division because

1139
01:11:36,359 --> 01:11:40,920
he is the IBF mandatory and that's
supposed to be the next fight for Alexander

1140
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:44,319
Usik, so we discussed that situation. He is the manager, of course,

1141
01:11:44,399 --> 01:11:46,840
for Adam Knak, who just had
the situation unfolded with Kusumano on the

1142
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:50,279
positive drug test, so he's on
the bad side of that where his fighter

1143
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:55,279
fought the guy that had the bad
drug test and lost. He's also the

1144
01:11:55,359 --> 01:11:58,600
manager, we talked about this at
length, the manager for Alicia Baumgarner,

1145
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:01,159
the undisputed women's Junior Life weight champion, who's on the opposite side where she's

1146
01:12:01,159 --> 01:12:04,199
the one that just had a positive
drug test return where she was positive in

1147
01:12:04,199 --> 01:12:08,479
a recent fights, So we discussed
what's happening with that situation. He is

1148
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:11,760
the manager for Edgar Berlanga. We
discussed what's going on with his career and

1149
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:18,479
the prospects of this potential fight that
he's in conversations with with everybody involved to

1150
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:24,000
make Berlanga against him. Mangia.
He is the manager for Daniel Jacobs and

1151
01:12:24,079 --> 01:12:27,399
for Sergei Devrnchenko. We talked about
what the future might all for those guys.

1152
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:30,640
We mentioned Chris Algeri, another fighter
who is kind of quasi retired,

1153
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:33,800
what his appetite for another fight might
be. He's in doing this thing,

1154
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:36,800
doing a lot of commentary, so
we'll see if we talked about whether he

1155
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:41,199
wants to fight again. He's got
a number of quality young fighters prospects on

1156
01:12:41,279 --> 01:12:45,720
the rise, such as Mark Castro, khalil Co a light heavyweight, and

1157
01:12:45,239 --> 01:12:48,800
Russhat Maddy the welterweight hand. We
also got into a little bit about his

1158
01:12:49,079 --> 01:12:53,520
junior welterweight that he is the manager
for Richardson Hitchins, who is an excellent

1159
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:56,720
young fighter, undefeated, an Olympian
who's going to be in the main event

1160
01:12:57,039 --> 01:13:00,479
on his own coming up against Jose
Zapaydent. What's a very solid match up,

1161
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:04,079
a contrast of styles, definitely the
biggest step up for Hitchens, who

1162
01:13:04,199 --> 01:13:08,720
was supposed to fight Montana Love but
Montana claimed an injury. The feeling for

1163
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:11,039
many is that he just didn't want
to smoke, so to speak. So

1164
01:13:11,199 --> 01:13:14,479
anyway, Conley as the manager for
all these different fighters had a lot to

1165
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:16,600
say on all these topics. So
we bring to you a lengthy interview where

1166
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:18,920
we get into all that which that
will be what we have for you on

1167
01:13:20,399 --> 01:13:23,800
what was supposed to be a recap
show, but it'll just be my interview

1168
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:26,119
with Keith. It will not be
a show about nothing. It will be

1169
01:13:26,199 --> 01:13:30,439
a show about something with Keith.
So we're gonna hear that Sunday night into

1170
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:35,199
Monday, and we promise you if
something blockbuster does happen, we will address

1171
01:13:35,239 --> 01:13:38,880
it on the podcast feed because brother
Rayfield, that's why they got to follow

1172
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:42,159
and subscribe on all the podcasts at
let's to the outlist of this feed because

1173
01:13:42,159 --> 01:13:45,560
something may come up and we'll come
back and you and I will converse about

1174
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:47,880
it and whatever it is. If
not, we'll go into the preview mode

1175
01:13:48,239 --> 01:13:51,479
for next weekend, the next time
that you'll hear from us. So listen,

1176
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:55,159
great stuff on this, have a
great weekend. What do you like

1177
01:13:55,239 --> 01:13:59,319
to say on Saturday? Without big
time championship fights? Cole who call your

1178
01:13:59,359 --> 01:14:01,520
mother, call you mother, do
something with that. I'll trust again.

1179
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:05,840
Check in with your family, Go
go have a meal. There's lots of

1180
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:10,680
college football that's on that you can
watch, etc. We will have a

1181
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:14,199
little bit of boxing Dan again on
his substack and on Big Fight Weekend dot

1182
01:14:14,199 --> 01:14:16,359
Com we'll have something about the smaller
cards that are going on. Again,

1183
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:20,319
no bet Us show because there's not
prominent fights. There's not a bet Us

1184
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:26,039
Live Friday show at one like there
typically is one Eastern time on Friday for

1185
01:14:26,159 --> 01:14:29,640
this week. It'll be back next
week for the prominent fights. For now,

1186
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:32,760
though, I think we're good Giants
Cowboys on Sunday, Ny Giants Cowboys

1187
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:35,079
Sunday Night. You're gonna be in
thralled with that. I'm flying back from

1188
01:14:35,079 --> 01:14:39,680
Minnesota after the Buccaneers the Vikings,
so you and I will reconvene next week

1189
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:42,720
with a preview. I look forward
to hearing that interview with Keith Conley that

1190
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,760
will suffice on the recap podcast.
It comes off the weekend. Again.

1191
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:48,960
We preview going into the weekend,
usually on Friday morning. Recap usually out

1192
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:51,880
on Monday. With that, have
a good weekend, Dan, Rayphael,

1193
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:56,880
enjoy yourself, enjoy your trip to
Minnesota and the books. Yeah, there

1194
01:14:56,920 --> 01:15:00,880
we go Minneapolis in my future.
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1195
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:04,960
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1196
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:09,960
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1197
01:15:10,039 --> 01:15:12,880
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1198
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:15,279
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