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I'll top bro Bige will break down
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when they look around the Big twelve. And we begin as we do each

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and every week, with our hot
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Tom, there's a lot of different
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front. Which direction would you like
to start with? So Neil Brown's got

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that Bruce whoever vibe going, And
I think that West Virginia as a whole

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has solidified his job for the next
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Gundy and crew, I think someone
has turned the corner. That game is

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at two point thirty. Be very
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Virginia kind of had a kind of
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like, So I'm gonna say Oklahoma
State by thirteen points this weekend. Here's

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my hot tech, Tom, I'm
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The Cats got off to a slow
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that injury, and Will Howard hasn't
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then they got a spark with Avery
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the former MAVs coach Avery Johnson,
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I like what I've seen from Avery
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that game against Tech last week.
I think the k State kind of like

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Oklahoma State in that sense, could
be turning a corner here head of the

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right direction. And it's weird with
them, like they go through these quarterback

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changes and handle it better than other
teams. Do you know they went from

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just last year, uh, you
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from Adrian Martinez or in the past. You know, they've gone from Skyler

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Thompson to somebody else, whatever it
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Will Howard, but they say that
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like what they have from both guys. I would go with the hot hand.

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I think the right decision for Chris
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Avery Johnson until proven otherwise, because
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you know, he let him do
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he just doesn't look right. He
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Avery Johnson needs to be their quarterback. I mean yeah, like Will Howard

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has been there, you know,
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Ellis has been at KU. So
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to you know, take that and
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because I think I think for KU
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there is a decent amount available for
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week's slate of games, Tom,
the big twelves standings as they are right

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now. Oh, you at three
and zero, I WOA stayed at three

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and one, and then OSU,
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two one. I'm gonna talk about
this more with Michelle here in a moment.

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But Tom, we are really one
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just shaking up and going bananas here. If Texas slips up and loses a

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game, which you know, hey, they had to slip up against Oklahoma.

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That was a game they weren't supposed
to lose. If they lose another,

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which could happen Texas, could Texas
here, then we got a whole

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lot of figure will have to do. You might have a you know,

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two three four way time for that
second spot to get in the big twelve

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Championship game to face Oklahoma here,
Like, we're we're really just one game

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away from potentially open up the floodgates. I mean yeah, I mean it

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really really just takes one game either
from Ou to drop or Texas to drop

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two right exactly. I mean they
can trail their own destiny and they still

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have some insurance so that being like, Okay, Bedlam is coming up in

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three weeks. Yeah, so if
they were to somehow drop that in stillwater,

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I don't think they will, but
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they still have a game to lose
and open up and they can still

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make the They can still make the
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know. I don't know what what
happened with the playoff. Yeah, they

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can still they can still do it, right, Yeah, it It is

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very interesting to see how this is
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weeks. So that's said, let's
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games this week. Oklahoma and UCF
sooners are nineteen point favorites. UCF has

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not looked good the last few weeks. The offense for them just hasn't been

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there. McClain, You know has
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you look at what they've done the
last few weeks. Got blown out by

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Kings, lost a game against Baylor
where they led by what was it twenty

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eight twenty nine points, and then
they lost a case stated by double digits

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here. It has been a rough
start for UCF since they've you know,

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joined the Big Twelve Conference. Dylan
Gabriel taking on his old team here,

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Oh you coming off a bye.
This is a bad setup for UCF here

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to be going up against this Oklahoma
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playing with something to prove against his
whole team. Oh my god. Yeah.

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And I think they're a little worried
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going off. And I don't think
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well. To be honest, I
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mean, that's that's just honestly right, that's funny. Yes, I mean

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I don't think they're worth the dog
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think that a lot of people would
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UCF, Cincinnati. Those are the
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specific order. You know, those
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Twelve. I mean, if we're
gonna be frank, all the new members

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are asked right now? I mean
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like, if you're going to pick
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Dana is gonna be gone in Houston. I mean, none of the news

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since Cincinnati has a little benefited out. None of the new members have beaten

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the current Big twelve school, right
and is it not beautiful? Oh it's

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hilarious, It's beautiful. I mean
b YU got their ass kicked by tcuh

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and I don't think is that good? Last week? I thank god they

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did too. Cincinnati hasn't won a
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Cincinnati's back is bad. Yeah,
I mean Houston, Houston and Cincinnati are

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the bottle. Okay, I take
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yeah yeah yeah, but that's that's
such a Neil Brown loss, isn't it.

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That's I mean, you know what
I'm saying, Like this West Virginia

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team has won good games just so
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wanted that win against West Virginia so
bad too. Oh you know he did.

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I mean he took like three or
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all right, we'll get this far Baylor

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in Cincinnati. That game just sounds
gross. Uh yeah, oh my god.

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Where's that game in Waco? It's
at Cincinnati and Cincinnati's favored. I

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lean towards Baylor, but I don't
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They're both bad. I lean towards
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four and two better than expected for
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the last couple of weeks. I
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in with with something to prove.
We're gonna find out if you're a contender

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or a pretender with this one here. Yeah, I think so. And

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what's what's the line on that the
line as we're recording this, West Virginia

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is favored by three and a half, so half point favorite at home.

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Yes, I mean yeah, that's
that's pretty that's pretty standard. And you

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can get into this game for thirty
dollars on Vivid States. Apparently I mean,

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yeah, if I was gonna be
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What else you gonna do in Morgantown? Right there, Shy Bowden, He

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was kind of sparked that Oklahoma offense
needed oaklhanm State offense needed like he should

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have been the starter maybe a little
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Ollie Gordon, like he he is
better than the store Ollie's. Yeah,

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he's He's like Williams. You ever
shopped at Ali's, I haven't a crash.

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They got a good OLiS. The
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in Bartlesville. Yeah they do.
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yeah. I feel like this on
the State team is the shopping equivalent of

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an Alis. Yeah, yeah they
are, you know, and we're shopping

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at different We're shopping at a different
location every week. They're not bad and

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they might surprise you sometimes, but
they're not good, you know what I

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mean. Like that's what I said, Like my hope and obviously I'm a

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little biased. Let's make the Ala
mobile On December twenty eighth against maybe a

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USC or ore in Sate and you
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I'm not gonna be able to make
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Like, let me have my let
me have my dues. Just come on

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here and play the Alima Bowl and
we'll be fine. They did all these

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needs to do in il deal with
with Olly. They should. I mean,

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you see what the coldest Crawford got
right. A couple more games here.

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Texas coming off of bye week at
Houston, Houston with a few extra

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days off after play it on a
Thursday night last week and getting that win

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against West Virginia. Uh, the
Big Twelve intentionally wanted this game. They

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wanted Texas to have to play a
conference game at Houston. They're getting their

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wish, but Texas coming off that
loss a week to think about it.

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I don't think Texas wants to embarrass
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see any way this game is going
to be a close. I think that

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they're gonna try to, you know, put put Houston out of their misery

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of some sorts of you think they're
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so, I could see it.
It shouldn't be that hard because Houston's not

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ted good. No, no,
I mean they're on the same plane as

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Cincinnati. Yeah, I agree,
Yeah, no, they should they unless

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they ship the bed then right.
I agree Texas Tech and BYU. I

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lean towards Tech. I think that
when they're playing at their best, they're

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better than what BYU is at their
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do uh by US quarterback Slovas.
But even with that said, Tom,

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same can be said for both teams. I don't know what team's showing up

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on Saturday. Yeah, you know, and we believed it a lot,

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and BYU and spowed us a little
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the conference or doing anything big,
but still mind blowing that they could like

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funck this up. Yes, TCU
and k State the game in Manhattan,

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KSE State playing two quarterbacks. TCU
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with Channel Morris out of the picture. Hoover's looked pretty decent and was off

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the charts last week and rematched the
victoral championship in Manhattan and everything. I

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leaned towards k State, but Hoover
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Morris, he might make this a
TCU win after all. Like, I

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just don't know enough about Hoover yet
to feel confident about him winning in Manhattan

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in a night game. Here.
Yeah, Manhattan, I've been there.

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It's not easy to do what you
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I think Case State's starving for a
win right now. And you mentioned Avery

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Johnson heard press. Yes, it's
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All right, Before we wrap up
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I do want to talk quick couple
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and let's start off with Brett yor
Mark. This week Big Twelve Media

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Day for basketball, asked about expansion. We know about the Gonzaga rumors and

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basically reiterated his talking point. He
said, for a year and a half,

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the Big Twelve is kind of certainly
evaluating and they are open for business.

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Said he wasn't going to talk about
a specific member, specific rumors and

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kind of just left it vague at
that. Okay, I would I would

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think Tom, like, this Gonzaga
thing should be figured out one way or

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the other. If if our league, if the Big Twelve wants Gonzaga,

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and they can get a deal done
and Gonzaga is willing to take either no

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media share or a little bit.
This could all be solved one way or

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the other here in the next couple
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know that it's not going to happen, But I think that with the Big

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Twelve having everything figured out of their
other members, we should we should know

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an answer one way or the other
here pretty soon, I would think,

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just because you know, we already
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other schools, Like, we're not
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but put it, you know here
with with Gonzaga, we need to know

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one way or the other. I
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too. Now I'm interested in what
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know, not waiting on Gonzaga.
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about Oregon State and Washington State trying
to sneak on and especially because Oregon State

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has played so well, and I'm
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momentum into something. Yeah, I
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tom unless ESPN forces them into the
Big Twelve. Like there is there is

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one thing that's been talked about that
I don't know for certain, but there

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is a rumor that if Oregon State
in Washington State can hold the Pack Twelve

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together even as just a two member
conference because of the contracts, that they

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would still get two or three hundred
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and it'd be split between those two
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your other power conferences, you don't
want that to happen because you want that

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money. And so you might find
yourself if that holds up in court and

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everything, you might find yourself in
a situation where ESPN forces the Big Twelve

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or maybe in the ACC or whoever, to take Oregon State and Washington State

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off your hands. That way they
don't steal basically two hundred million away from

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these other leagues here. That's the
only way I see them getting into the

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Big Twelve is if it's like forced
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sorts that's in the best interest of
the networks. I mean, yeah,

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I mean I can see that.
I would you know, that's a that's

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a good point. It'd be bizarre
if it worked out that way. I

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hope it doesn't work out that way. But we've seen Washington State and Oregon

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State already be aggressive when it comes
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PAC twelve, and so far they're
holding up their own uh. So who

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knows. Uh And you know,
the current PAC twelve members want to dissolve

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the league as a whole, and
they're doing everything they can't stop it at

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them. All lots of play out
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but I don't think there's gonna be
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they're kind of waiting for the ACC
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But we don't call the shots when
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what that means potentially, So I
wish we did. Yeah, what about

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a Zach I say, I would
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percent chance that they don't join the
league, thirty percent chance that they do.

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What would you put your percentage chances
of Gonzaga er in the Big twelve?

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Bet? I'd say seventy thirty is
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the AP College Basketball Poll Top twenty
five out. Let's let's go over

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these big twelve teams. Kansas number
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your two Big Twelve teams in the
top ten. And then you got Texas

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rolling in at eighteen, Baylor at
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twenty five, four in the top
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in the top seven. There gona
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league this year. And get me
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head not once but twice and some
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That's another thing, Like when we're
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new members, the biggest thing that
they have to offer right now, Tom

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is Houston basketball, because that is
the one program of the major programs between

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the four schools that's ready to compete
immediately. Like Houston is going to give

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Kansas everything they can handle when it
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first year in the league. Yeah, I think they will. And you

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know, as bad as Houston football
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even more so ready to be to
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yeah, I think so. With
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Twelve breakdown this week will bring in
Michelle Bontege coming up in just a moment.

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More to come. Stay with us. Jonas Now from Catch You Want

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to Tell? Channel Light also covering
the MLS next circuit, it is none

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other than Michelle Montaigne. It was
back on the program once again. Always

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a pleasure when we get to introduce
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but an awesome person to Michelle Montane
joyces right now, Michelle, welcome back.

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How you doing, Tyler? I
wish everyone was this excited to talk

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to me in my life. I'm
doing so well. I'm super happy to

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be back talking with you and love
doing this of course. And I can

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tell you, Michelle, when I
was at Red River last week and saw

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everything unfold, I was starting to
think of all the Texas people I know,

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and you were one of the one
of the ones that came to mind.

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I'm like, oh my gosh,
I can't I can't imagine what they're

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feeling at this moment. Like walk
me through because you were there right last

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time. What was going on through
your head? Is that all unfolded there?

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So to be painfully honest, when
I saw Bert make the field goal

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and I saw a minute seventeen left
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And then when I watched Oklahoma drive
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many seconds it was, I felt
like it was vintage Texas that I was

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watching. And for context here,
going into this game, I made a

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bet with one of the guys on
my weekend crew who the weekend weather guy,

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There's the weekend anchor, and there's
me and I'm you know, a

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Texas alon the Weekend eight weather guys
and ou alum. I made a bet.

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That's how confident I was the Texas
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I said, if Texas loses,
I will wear an OU jersey on air,

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So I was sporting crimson and cream
on air. But to answer your

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question, I was really confident in
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and for the most part, I
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I think Dylan Gabriel is better than
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he would be or thought he was, and he put that on display in

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that game. But the Texas defense
in this throughout this season has been pretty

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reliable. But when I watched them
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I was watching the Texas defensive old
and it was just a PTSD feeling that

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is so top of mind for Texas
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decade that it honestly was just like, yeah, I would expect nothing less,

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and you want to get away from
that, like Stark in his third

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year. You want to get away
from people feeling like, oh, there

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they go again. This is just
typical Texas nowadays, Like it's to take

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a lead with that much time left, you think they'd be able to hold

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onto it, and they weren't able
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And then you know, you know, being in the Oklahoma media circuit,

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I received probably thirty forty comments remarks
like immediately following the game, and

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I am still just no matter where
I go out and about in the community,

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I'm still getting like the horns down
or the hey, nice, nice

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day to be a Texas fan,
isn't it? And it's going to continue,

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I'm sure until the Big twelve Championship. Well, I say this with

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all due respect, I saw the
photo you were in the ou jersey and

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I'm like, wow, Shells never
looked better. You know that? That's

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great crip said it looks great on
you, Michelle, Thank you. That

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was that was great. You were
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say, though you're one of the
better Texas Texas fans, you're more reasonable.

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Clearly. I was at the Kansas
Texas game week prior, and I

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gotta tell you, as much as
I put up with of those Texas fans,

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I did not feel bad for most
of them at all. For what

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what occurred in that Texas game.
I had an old I was taking a

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photo with a friend of mine and
we're going horns down, and an old

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lady came up to me and said
how disrespectful that I was being for putting

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up horns down. I'm like,
this is uncharted territories here. My response

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back was, you know what's disrespectful
leaving the Big Twelve. Well there you

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go. Yeah. Did she have
a response for that. No, she

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walked away after that. Yes,
But nonetheless, I'm glad that you've moved

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on from there. And so with
that said, from what you saw with

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that Oklahoma team, I heard a
lot of ut people saying, oh,

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we'll meet you in the Big Twelve
championship game. Better team loss and all

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that. How do you feel about
Oklahoma? Your your unbiased view, and

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you're taking a few steps back,
what do you think of that Oklahoma team

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where they're at six wins and again
that win against Texas, This legit football

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team here. I think that's exactly
the word I would use for them is

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legitimate. I think for through their
first five games, the talks surrounding the

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team was well, they hadn't played
anyone, and I mean that could still

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hold true, it does hold some
weight. But I think the way in

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which they won the Texas game not
only was another notch in the belt right

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in terms of getting another win,
but the fact that they were down with

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just a minute fifteen to go,
minute seventeen to go. You flip the

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tables. If Texas had been down
with a minute to go like there isn't

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a guarantee that they'd be able to
pull out the win. So the fact

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that ou was able to do that, I think Dylan Gabriel is playing the

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best football of his career and with
him being so confident, so Calm Brevna

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Bulls post game in that Red River
game said he has been around thousands of

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players, you know, in his
entire career, He's never met someone more

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calm, never met a quarterback more
calm than Dylan Gabriel. And I think

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that just his demeanor, the way
in which he's leading this team, how

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comfort is with Jeff Levy. And
then you think about the areas of the

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team that were question marks, right
like the wide receiver room. Who was

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going to be that guy with brain? Willis leaving and Marvin Wimsley leaving for

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the NFL. Well, it hasn't
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but you see weapons not like developing
in front of your eyes, Nick

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Anderson, Jalil Peruke, like these
guys are threats on the outside. So

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you look at this offense and you
know they're kind of doing running back by

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committee right now, but you look
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putting up they're averaging I don't know
the number exactly, but before that Texas

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game, they were averaging like forty
fifty something points, third best scoring offense

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in the country going into the Texas
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think that's where people feel like,
Okay, we've given Brent Vinables time to

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implement his system and we're starting to
reap the rewards of that. Danny Setzman

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is like tried and true Rent Vinable's
linebacker, you know. And just to

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watch his IQ development, the way
he's able to replays, to read quarterbacks,

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to jump routes, to just know
where to be. I think it

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was Iowa State game. I looked
up and like every time Iowa State,

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like an Iowa State play ended,
Danny Setsman was either touching the player or

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the ball or like was somewhere near
the play. And so defensively, they

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they look so much better than they
did one year ago. So you put

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those two things together, and I
think Oklahoma is legitimate. They just because

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of who they've played so far.
They haven't gotten the national spotlight until that

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Red River game, and when they
got it, they delivered. Oh yeah,

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certainly we're John by Michelle Montayne looking
back at that terrific Oklahoma Texas game,

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talking about the Sooners right now,
more to come on at Oklahoma State

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in the moment. Now we look
at where Oklahoma is coming off the bye

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week. You have the win against
Texas. What I wonder going forward is

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is that let down coming up next? Is this going to get to their

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heads of some sorts because you look
at it, that's an emotional win,

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that's a big deal. You've had
everybody telling you how good it is the

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last week. I mean now going
forward, the schedule looks manageable for the

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Sooners here, but could they potentially
overlook somebody? What would be your idea,

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Michelle going forward here? Do you
think Oklahoma can play like they did

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against Texas every week here going forward? Yeah? I mean I think that

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if you look at the caliber of
teams that they're playing in the remainder of

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their schedules in the Big Twelve,
if you have UCF BYU West Virginia teams

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that I don't think are threats in
really many in many ways, just if

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you look at the roster loo at
schemes, I think that ou if they

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play even remotely close to what they're
capable of, those you can check off

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his wins. The Kansas game,
I think could pose some threats just because

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of Look, if you look at
what Kansas did against Oklahoma State this last

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weekend, Jason Bean backup quarterback,
threw for over four hundred yards. You

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know, he was incredible when they
limited the run game, and so I

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think that's an area where oh,
you could potentially be exposed. But I

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don't necessarily think it's a loss by
any stretch TCU. I think we're still

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trying to figure them out. Right, Like they've had some early losses,

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they've had some big blowout wins.
I think again, if OU plays up

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to their standard, TCU is probably
a win. The one that kind of

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gives me a little bit of you
know, reservation, I guess is just

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the bedroom game because of all that's
surrounding it, not necessarily you know,

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on the field, but off of
it. And so like, could Oklahoma

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go undefeated through their next six games, absolutely, but could they maybe drop

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one in maybe a close overtime game
or you know, when say something were

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to happen, hope not like to
Dylan Gabriel or whatnot. I think there

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could maybe be one potential flop.
Yeah, yeah, I could happen.

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One thing I've seen from this Oklahoma
team that has impressed with Michelle is that

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they are such a different identity physically
than what we saw the Lincoln Riley era.

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Of what we've seen year two Underprint
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This is not the Oklahoma team that
you and I grew up watching week

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in and week out. This is
totally different of what we're seeing right now.

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I'm shocked when I see, you
know, U team each week so

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far this year that's led by their
defense. It's not necessarily the offensive powerhouse

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we're used to seeing. Yeah,
that's it's amazing timing that you bring that

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up, especially considering what we just
watched happen to USC. But yeah,

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absolutely, I think that when you
look at the Texas OU game, the

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one thing that really stands out to
me is the physicality upfront between both sides,

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between both teams on both sides of
the ball. I think what they

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have been able to do in practice
and really, I would say in all

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the development coming up to this season, I think it's Jerry Schmidt, who

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is their strength and conditioning coach.
The guys not only that they had that

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they've developed, but the guys that
they've been able to bring in. They

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do have some young guys who see
playing time, and that goes back to

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the types of guys Brent Vinnables is
trying to recruit. Just like physically statually

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they're bigger, they are coming from
backgrounds that expect that type of physicality out

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of them, but to see it
on the field, it is a stark

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difference, especially on that defensive front
this season, then of course last season,

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but especially the season's pass where Lincoln
Riley was leading the charge and really

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where you had Alex Grinch putting an
Alex Grinch defense out there. Tell me

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about the Polks. This is a
very confusing team to me. I know

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they're playing better as of late with
the Winston bat against Kansas and Kansas State

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sawid firsthand myself last week unfortunately.
But with that said, are you buying

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in have they figured it out?
Do you think this teams turned a corner

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here? You know, I've talked
about that a lot this week. I

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think they've turned a corner, Yes, because they have a quarterback where they've

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decided on one. I think they've
turned a corner in some of the adjustment

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that they've been able to make in
game. And what I mean by that

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is like, if you look closely
at that Kansas game, Colin Oliver was

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the difference maker there towards the end
of the game, and what they did

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was they started putting him in space
where he could just get after the quarterback

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and towards the beginning of that game, they weren't having him play that type

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of role. So Jason Bean was
staying, you know, standing in the

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pocket, had all day to throw
to Skinner and other guys, and that's

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how they got, you know,
over four hundred yards through the air.

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But I think when you have a
brand new defensive coordinator for the third time

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in a row, there are going
to be growing pains in terms of what

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they want to run schematically, what
they want to run with the personnel that

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they have. The thing about Oklahoma
States defense is they have talented guys,

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like they have athletes scattered throughout.
You see that in some of their young

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guys at Cameron Epps, you see
that in guys at Colin Oliver, Nick

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Martin. But I think schematically they're
still they've been still trying to put together,

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right, Like any loss to South
Alabama is a good football team,

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but you know you also lose to
Iowa State those games back to back.

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You know they've got to figure something
out. So I think defensively they're still

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working on that. Offensively, I
agree with you. I'm still a little

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confused. They have some weapons.
Obviously, Ollie Gordon with his career historic

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day against Kansas was kind of a
tick on the box in terms of Okay,

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like, we have a running back
we can use. Now that you

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know Alan Bowman is going to be
your guys, Okay, how do we

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build up this offensive scheme to best
work for Alan Bowman? And then two,

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how do you get guys like Brennan
Presley and some of these other threats

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on the outside involved in a more
consistent manner. I mean, that's one

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thing that worked for them against Kansas
State and Kansas is that they're guys,

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their playmakers made plays. Right.
Do I think that this is a turning

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of the corner. I mean,
you look at OU schedule, look at

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Oklahoma State schedule. They have one
of the easiest in the Big twelve,

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the easiest in the Big twelve.
So in terms how many wins they can

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rack up, the fact that they
beat Kansas, the fact that they beat

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Kansas State, They've shown they can
beat anyone left on their schedule except for

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OU. Will they do it?
Totally different questions? Well, and you

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know, if Texas slips up again, you know, and I don't expect

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them to, but if they do, then this whole thing the floodgates open

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of possibilities for who ends up in
Arlington. Here. The expectation is still,

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oh, you Texas to meet again, but for whatever reason, if

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something happens there, does Oklahoma State
entered the picture? Does does Kansas State

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possibly get back in Kansas whatever it
may be. I mean, we're one

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win away or one loss rather from
Oklahoma State and others being right back at

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the table potentially here. Yeah.
I've talked with just you know, a

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ton of people in sports not in
sports about the Big Twelve as a whole

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right now. And the leading kind
of thought right is, Okay, there's

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Ou in Texas and then there's everybody
else. But to your exact point,

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there could be a weekend where you
know, I'm not gonna say Houston,

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but where a team maybe beats Texas
by a point late, right, and

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that's a win and a loss doesn't
matter if it's by one point or twenty,

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right. So to get to Arlington, what matters is the winnings and

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losses. And you look at the
standings right now, you know who's right

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behind Oklahoma Iowa State. So I
I think in terms of the Big Twelve,

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yes, it's a wide open picture
right now, Texas has to take

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care of business, especially like I
think, what the TCU game could be

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a potential upset, you know,
Texas Tech. But if if the top

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teams take care of business the way
that they should, then I think,

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yeah, we know who's going to
be in Arlington. If there is kind

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of that misstep or miss q,
I would say, my best that's right

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now are either I think think yeah, Kansas State, it could be Oklahoma

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State. And if I was sinking, he's winning. I guess we got

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to consider the cyclones. You know. So let me ask you this then,

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as the level headed Texas fan,
you are, unlike your your fellow

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fans out there, Uh, what
is your confidence level that Texas is back

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in Arlington, that they don't have
that infamous slip up of some sorts of

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vintage Texas. Here you notice the
deep breath. I just took care at

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all. This is the thing.
I think if you look at their remaining

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schedule, I said, TCU or
Texas Tech might give me some pause.

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I I am not ready to say
that they've given me x amount of confidence.

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Like look back at the Wyoming game. They were tied at ten until

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the fourth quarter, right and play
good either, correct. So but that

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was you know, first game of
the season. I think there were you

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know in Wyoming was early. Still, I think what how I feel about

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them is that look at their roster, look at what they've been able to

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do against teams like Alabama, this
team should be able to beat anyone left

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on their schedule. But I don't. If you ask me for a confidence

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level, I'd say I'm maybe seventy
percent confident that Texas could win out.

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And that might be generous just because
I mean truly, like I was back

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in my first year in school was
a decade ago, and that was Mac

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Brown's last season, and the life
I have lived experiencing text football over the

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last decade has been one of inconsistency, Right, Like we get the big

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Notre Dame when in Austin and Charlie
Strong's season opener, and then we go

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on to have a losing season again. You know, it's like the hot

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I just told everybody Texas was back
and yeah, yeah, So I think

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as a level head a Texas fan, I would say I'm not even three

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quarters of the way confident they can
do it. But am I hopeful?

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Michelle Plug your social media and all
that stuff to follow you and see what

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you're doing there in Tulsa as well. Yeah, on Instagram, it's just

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at Michelle Montaigne. On Twitter,
it should be at Michelle Montaigne, but

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the character limit cuts me off one
letter short, so it's just at m

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ich Mitche Montaianne. On TikTok,
Michelle Montagne anything else that should just be

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at Michelle Montainne. And uh,
you go to TikTok and she's interviewing a

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professional golfers and everything too. That's
fun. You got to cover all the

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sports, Tyler, you know,
of course, absolutely no. Thanks for

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the time as always, great to
have you back on. We've been trying

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to do this for a while,
but Michelle Bick, you know, she

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wasn't always vailable, but you know, we're glad we made it happen.

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Thanks again. We'll talk in down
a lit with Shell Tyler. Thank you
