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Hi everyone, I'm Talia and I'm
Tanya, and Together we Are Crimes and

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Consequences, a true crime podcast.
Welcome back, everybody to this week's episode

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of Crimes and Consequences. I am
Talia and I'm Tanya, and Together we

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Are and Consequences sometimes known as TN
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that'd be awesome. That would be
great. So I have a story I

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know you've never heard because I asked
you about it. Right. It's the

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It's known as the Utah Cabin Murders
Utah m hmm, okay, yeah,

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I was just there. Yeah,
you were, that's right, just there

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for a show. It's the Tita
family. Do you know about the Tita

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family? Never heard it? So
let me give you the background in the

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Tita family. You have Ralph,
not Ralph, Ralph Ralph to call him

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Ralph, Yes, I'm wrong.
He was born in Germany and he's fifty

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one years old. He is married
to k and she is forty nine years

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old. They met in the mid
sixties, fell in love, got married.

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They lived in Utah by Salt Lake
City, and they really wanted to

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have a large family, and they
were part of the LDS Church. They

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tried for a couple of years they
have kids, and they couldn't conceive,

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so they ended up adopting a little
girl named Lenai. I don't know,

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named Lenae, not Lenai. That
is what we use as a screen,

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that's a patio. I'm so sorry, Linae. They moved from Utah,

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where the whole family was, to
Texas by Houston, and Ralph ended up

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being a salesman. He was very
successful at what he did. Then they

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three years later adopted a boy.
His name was Sean, and they were

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very surprised because I believe they thought
they were infertile. After the adopted Sean,

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two months later, Kate found out
she was pregnant and they ended up

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with a little girl they called Trisham. They're in Houston or around Houston in

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Texas, but they sell to their
family in Utah. And they bought this

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cabin in Utah in Oakley, so
that is north of Salt Lake City.

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Let me tell you about this cabin. It is two stories and it's set

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higher up so below you could let
there's pictures of firewood and stuff. So

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you gotta go upstairs to get enter
the cabin. And it's not what you're

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thinking as far as a little cabin. It's a it's like a house.

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It's big. It's big. It
is so isolated that they loved it.

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It's like out in the mountain.
Yes, okay, there's riversful, it's

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beautiful in the winter. It takes
two miles on a snowmobile to get to

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an area where you can have your
car part to get to town. Wow.

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So that's yeah, that's really isolated, airy very. There are some

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other houses, but they're you know, the further part is not like there's

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a subdivision there or something. Every
year they would go for Christmas to this

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cabin and they would host a Christmas
party with their family. And like you

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said, their whole family is in
and around Utah. And this was just

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a tradition that they had. So
this is December twentieth of nineteen ninety.

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K and her daughter I'm sorry,
Kay and her son Sean decide to go

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up early to the cabin and they
brought some stuff and they met Claudia.

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Claudia is Kay's sister. They all
go park the cars in their little parking

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area and they go on snowmobiles two
miles and they have packages from everything they

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brought for this Christmas. They're unloading
the stuff that they brought from Texas.

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They have a dinner, and then
Claudia decides she's going to stay the night.

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The very next day, Ralph brings
Tricia, who's sixteen now, and

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Lenney to dog cabin. They all
meet, They go to town, they

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do some shopping. They end up
setting up the Christmas tree. It's a

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big Christmas tree. They put up
all the lights, they wrapped the present,

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they put them under the tree,
and then they decided to go to

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Bath Pott's house. Now Beth Potts
is seventy two. She is Kay's mom.

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Beth got into a car accident in
nineteen eighty three and it caused some

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injuries that made her vision not so
well and she had a little trouble walking

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that night. Sean decides to stay
at his aunt Claudia's house, and the

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rest of them stay with Grandma.
Grandma Pots okay. The next day is

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December twenty second. The parties kind
of split up. You have Ralph Egos

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with Trisha and they do some stuff
in town. Then you have Lenney and

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Kay and Grandma pots. They decide
to go back to the cabin and they

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had been to town earlier and got
some more stuff, so they park.

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They get in the snowmobiles. Lenae
didn't have gloves and she's driving. There's

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two snowmobiles. She's driving one,
and then her mom, Kay and Grandma

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pots Or on a second one,
and they're driving them two miles. They

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pull into wherever they park their snowmobiles
and Linae can see a shadow in the

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bedroom upstairs. She thinks it might
be her cousin David. I think is

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the name. Because more family is
supposed to come. This is the big

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family gets together. Big family get
together for Christmas. She tells her mom

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and grandma, my hands are really
cold. I'm gonna go warm them up

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under the water and just sink and
then I'll help you bring stuff in.

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As she gets into the house,
you have to walk upstairs set of stairs

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because as I said, there's it's
it's two stories, but you've got to

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go up the stairs to get to
the first the first level. She gets

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there, she gets inside and she
sees this shadowy figure by refrigerator and thinks,

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okay, some family member. To
her surprise, this man with very

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frizzy hair wearing the sweatshirt comes out
with a gun and he puts it by

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her head. She's flip and oh, terrified. I'm sure like she's flipping

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out. And she knows that Grandma
Pots and Mom right right outside. She

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is, she's there, she's she's
not screaming, kay, and helps Grandma

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Pots up the stairs. As they
enter the house, casees her daughter with

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a gun to her head. And
then another guy hops out. The second

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guy, and he has these very
thick glasses to who are the guys?

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I'm gonna tell you right now.
The guy with the frizzy hair. His

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name is Von Taylor. He was
on parole for aggravated burglary robbery. He

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had gotten out early and got released
to a halfway house where he met this

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very lovely person named Edward Deli.
Edward was in prison for arson and because

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of your good behavior they got to
go to the halfway house. They were

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able to be released on December fourteenth, So this is one week earlier to

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look for jobs. Well, guess
what, they're not looking for jobs?

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Then come back. Oh yeah,
they're casing there. They just yes,

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well i'll spoiler alert. Yeah,
they end up hitchhiking and Von Taylor,

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twenty five, knew the area because
his dad had a cabin out that way.

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So they hitchhike out to Oakley and
again that's north of Salt Lake City.

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They're out there, it's twenty degrees
by the way. Yeah, how

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they're surviving, I don't really know, except they're breaking into other cabins.

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And ironically, Kay, when she
first arrived there with Leney and they had

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parked in that parking area I told
you about, she saw Von Taylor.

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He was wearing jeans kind of shoes
and what was described as a spring jacket,

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and she thought he's never gonna survive
jacket. And she asked if he

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needed any help, and you just
scurried away. So that is who they

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are. That's about all I know
about them is they met there, they

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had they had disconded from the halfway
house somehow they'd been surviving for over a

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week and freezing fucking cold negative twenty. Yeah, that's insane. Kay walks

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in. She's helping her mom up
the stairs. She sees her daughter with

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a gun to her head. This
guy comes out and it's actually Ed Delly

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who puts a gun to her hut. He's the guy I think of him

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as having the coke bottle glass case. Says, whatever you want, take

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it, whatever you money, anything, take it, and then immediately Von

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Taylor shoots her. Oh my god, shoots K. Shoots K with a

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forty four. Oh my god.
She ended up being shot five time.

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Oh my god, in front of
twenty year old Linnet. Now there's Grandma

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Pots. They go and shoot Grandma
Pots. Oh no, Grandma Pots tries

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to get up, They shoot her
again, Oh my god. And Von

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Taylor says, the bitch won't die
and he shot her again. Poor.

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Yeah, that's I can only imagine
the thoughts going through her head, especially

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since the rest of her family it's
going to be there soon. Yes,

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they were behind so Sean still was
at his aunt Bodias, but Tricia and

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Ralph were just doing some errands in
town and they were going to meet.

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They were maybe an hour or two
behind running errands. The two killers take

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the body of Grandma Pots and Kay
and they move them out to this deck

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because they had his deck, and
they cover them with snow. They have

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Linnae go into a bedroom where they
like they gagged her, and for some

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reason ed Deli decides to comfort her
by bringing in the family. Dob what

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m and So she's there and she
knows that her dad and her sister are

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gonna be there sometime soon. Eventually
she hears a snowmobile approach. I can't

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imagine how terrified. I mean,
you're not only terrified for yourself, but

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you have no way to stop let
me to stop it. You've just seen

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your mom and your grandmother killed in
front of you, and you know your

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other family members coming. I mean
I would be so terrified, and I'd

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be paralyzed with fear. What do
you do? There's nothing you can you

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can do, There's nothing you can
do. Eventually, her dad walks in

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with Trisha, sixteen year old Jrsha, and he sees them. He sees

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Linney. She's brought out for some
reason. She's not in the bedroom now,

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and he can just see by the
look in her eyes there was something

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in him that said he just knew
his wife and his mother in law were

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dead. That's how it was described. There was a look in his face.

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He says to these intruders, do
you want my money? And I'll

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give you my money, and they're
basically like yes. So he ends up

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turning over one hundred and five dollars. Then Von Taylor orders ed Delhi to

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shoot Ralph, and Von Deli or
sorry Von Deli at Deli he's holding the

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gun and he's shaking and he can't
do it. So Von Taylor it's like,

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fuck this, and he takes a
gun and he holds it to Ralph's

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head and he shoots and it's just
click. Oh god, Oh my god,

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how terrifying. Oh my god.
I don't know what kind of gun

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was, yeah, right some point, well, I do know it was

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a bird shot gun, but I
don't know how it works. I don't

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I don't know. Click doesn't work
again, Oh my god. Third time,

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right in the face. He gets
shot and he falls down, while

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falls down and he's just laying there, Trisha's hysterical screaming, Renai's screaming.

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At this point, Linay has witnessed
three members of for family shot. The

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men decide they're ready to go.
What they really wanted, Tanya was they

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wanted a car, So they wanted
the girls to get on a snowmobile and

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bring them to the Lincoln town car
that was parked. But before they left

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the house, they decided to take
gasoline because there was a lot of gasoline

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there with snowmobiles, and they poured
it around the house and they poured some

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on roll. Oh, they didn't
light him on fire, but they started

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some fires other places in the house. And they made the girls get on

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the snowmobiles, each girl with a
different guy, and drive to the parking

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area two miles. While the girls
are driving, when they get to the

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parking area, they come across their
uncle, Randy. Oh no, Randy

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sees them with two guys younger twenty
five, twenty one. He doesn't really

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know what's going on, but he's
like hey, waving hey. And these

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girls were really smart. They pretended
they didn't know Randy because they were afraid

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if Von Taylor and ed Delly knew
that that was their uncle, he would

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kill Randy, right, I would
have thought that. Wait, so,

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like they ignore Randy as they're not
at this point, they're not actually at

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the parking They get to the parking
lot and then they see Uncle Randy again.

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Uncle Randy's like, hey, come
on, Uncle Randy, get a

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clue. Hey, girls, Well
he did get a clue because again they

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acted like they didn't know who Uncle
Randy was. And the guys, the

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murderers, ask them, who is
this guy? Like he's waving you and

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they're both, we don't know,
we don't know. But Uncle Randy realized

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right then and there, okay,
something this is off. I get teens

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ignoring uncol Uncle Randy. Yeah,
but this but this is ridiculous. Didn't

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know what to do. So he's
still at the parking area in his snowmobile

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and he's getting ready to leave.
The girls ended up getting into the Lincoln

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hound car with the perpetrators. They
take off in about less than one minute

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later. Another man shows up and
like, you gotta go down a mountain

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on the snowmobile to get to this
parking area. The man shows up.

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Randy season this man is not dressed
appropriately. He's not wearing winter clothes.

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He's got blood sickles. What it's
negative twenty degrees and his eyes are almost

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swollen shut because he's covered with blood. And it's ralf Oh are you kidding?

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I'm not kidding. Oh my god, he survived. Holy shit.

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I was not expecting that. I
know. I wasn't either when I researched

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the story. Wow. Wow,
Ralph had been shot with the bird,

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shot in the face. And something
I didn't say before is they had poured

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gasoline on him. He played dead. They came back and shot him one

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more time in the back of the
Oh my god, and he still played

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dad. That is amazing. Then
the house is on fire. He gets

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up and he catches on fire his
snowmobile outfit, his snowmbile suit. He

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goes into the shower, takes it
off, part of the snowmobile suit melted

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on his skin. Then he runs
to the snowmobile, can barely see,

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goes down two miles down a mountain. Oh my god, and bumps into

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his brother. Yeah, holy shit, all to save his girls. Oh

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wow. That crazy. It is
crazy. Is that just goes to show

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you the will to live like it's
incredible. We've heard some crazy stories about

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you survive stuff and oh my god, I got goose bumps. And bird

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shots are little pellets. Yeah,
but face they can kill they can kill

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you. Yes, and he had
them in his face and in the back

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of his head. My god,
wow. But the adrenaline, Yeah,

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that's true. It's the adrenaline.
Ralph sees his brother, realizes something is

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all crazy going on. Ralph tells
Randy the girls they they've been kidnapped.

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Ralph takes sorry, Randy takes Ralph
and he has to carry him into his

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car because he has a car at
the parking area. And they had some

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sort of archaic cell phone and I'm
thinking it's one of those like big giant

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ones, the big giant ones like
in the case nineteen ninety. Yeah,

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it had to have been. Well, they're in the mountains, so the

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service there's no you can't even get
serviced at my house today today. Yeah,

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there's probably three satellites for all the
cells cell phones. But I mean,

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I'm joking, but yeah. Ralph
ends up trying and does get a

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hold of nine one one explains what's
going on and says, I need a

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helicopter for my brother a SAP.
And there's this Lincoln town car that you

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need to find. As he's describing
all this, the phone goes dead.

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Oh no, no, Ralph has
to drive to the nearest gas station.

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I mean, I'm sorry, I
keep saying it. First of all,

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is that Ralph? No, it's
Randy. To begin with this, Ralph

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like Rudolph. Yes, I knew
I would do that. I always I

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do this. Randy's driving, He
drives to the nearest gas station. He

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uses a payphone, follows them and
tells them what's going on. The police

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are now on the lookout for this
town car and Ralph is critical condition.

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The sisters and meanwhile are stuck with
these guys. And they tell the sisters

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they're going to take them to New
York then they'll release them. What from

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you to talk to New York?
Right, We're gonna drive to New York.

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There. These sisters know this is
face No, these sisters know this

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is this is not gonna and wow, it can't. There's nothing they can

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do, but they keep trying to
think of a plan. But what do

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you do? You're in the car. I don't know. We're too crazy,

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right, and you're in shock.
They ended up just complying. While

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they're in the car, Von Taylor
takes out a knife and he says to

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them, don't worry. I'm just
as good with a knife as I am

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with a gun. And Trisha smirks
and says, you sure you are sixteen?

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She's like fuck you? Yeah right? Oh man. She can't help

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but talk bag, I'd be on
fire. Yeah. So they're gonna go

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to New York. And then they
were told once we get to New York,

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we will give you tickets to fly
back. Well, Linay says,

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I don't have a home. Now. You've taken everything away and everybody away,

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and the house has been put on
fire. Yeah, where's she going

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to go? She thinks her parents
are dead, right, she thinks her

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grandmother's dead. And the cabin,
yeah, the cas there's a bolo out

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beyond the lookout for this car.
Eventually, a police officer about forty mile

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I believe it was about forty miles
away sees it. They're driving. She's

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driving past the car and he does
a U turn and the guys realize,

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oh shit, they're on to us. So there's a high speed chase.

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There's a the police end up doing
a barrier on the road. They go

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right through it. Wow. Then
there's a bit of a shootout and the

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police end up shooting one of the
tires in the car goes down. At

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the embankment, there's these girls.
When they actually like peek up out the

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window, they see I don't know
how many dozens of police officer's pointing the

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gun with them and at Von Taylor
and at at Deli. Von Taylor's like,

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we're gonna die, and I think
he was getting ready for a massive

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shootout, and Ed Deli is,
no, I'm not. He doesn't want

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to die. I'm not. I'm
not going to die. I'm not prepared

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to do this just yet. And
basically they surrendered. The girls get taken

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to safety. They get to see
their dad in the hospital. You said

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to have multiple surgeries. The police
go to the cabin. When they enter

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the cabin, it hadn't burned to
the ground. They described it as looking

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like a war zone. There was
blood on the stairway from when Grandma Hots

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and Kay had been shot. There
were bullets that had kindetrated through the stairs.

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Bullets is the spring all over and
they they said it smelt like burnt

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hair. But this is what's really
interesting. Those two men, Deli and

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Taylor. They'd been inside that cabin
for a while. Remember I had said

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that the Titas had been gone overnight. Oh, that's right. When the

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police got there, they realized that
Von Taylor and ed Delli had helped themselves

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to food. Had some pops opened
up the Christmas presents they did with trying

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to see if there's anything good.
Probably, Oh, there's a video.

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We're going to play that video right
now. I don't know. Okay,

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I don't think I got all of
this. How come you like last time

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to remember that? I don't know
like that? Now? Am I supposed

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to find out for instructions in leamt
What hats? Oh? Wow? What

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is it? Baseball card? Okay, let's see a couple of'em home

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the football and backball? How'em
this way? Show'em this way?

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Okay, excurge. As you see
in the video, they are smiling,

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opening up presents, saying, oh
it's for I can't believe they they taped

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it on the family's video camera.
What why? I think they thought that

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if they burn the house down,
it would be destroyed. So why videotape.

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It if you're not gonna ever be
seen, you know, just sticking

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around? What why video it?
It was they were having fun. They

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had been in that house for nobody
knows how long, helping themselves in the

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food, opening the Christmas presents.
Eventually, obviously, they get arrested.

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Bon Taylor gets charged with two counts
of murder, one kund of attempted murderounts

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of kidnapping Arson. He's facing the
death penalty, so he takes He takes

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a plea in the plea are you
ready for this? Oh? No,

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am I gonna be pissed? No? Okay, No, you're no,

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You're not You're gonna like this?
Okay. He agrees to plead guilty to

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two counts of premeditated murder as long
as the rest of the charges are dropped.

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Seriously, he goes for sentencing.
Guess what he gets the death penalty.

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You got the dumb ass. Why
would you plead guilty? Plead guilty

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to first degree murder? Two?
Yeah? Two? Not very bright?

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I'm guessing he is not very bright? Like, okay, as long as

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you get rid of the minor as
opposed to murder. Not that Arson's minor,

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but when you look at it in
comparison to a first degree murder charge,

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it's my right. If you're gonna
plead guilty, can make it life

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or trade, trade the death penalty
for something. What a dumb ass.

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Well, I'm happy he did that, Okay. Ed Dully chose to go

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before a jury because in the end, he remember he couldn't pull the trigger

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on Rolf and he didn't kill k
in Beth. We already have somebody who

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pleaded guilty to it. But right, you know, so he took a

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risk. He got convicted of second
degree murder. He ended up getting life

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with a chance of parole. I
believe after fifty two years. Don't quote

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me on that. Oh damn,
it was a lot of years. It

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was only twenty one, yeah,
in two thousand and one. So this

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happened in nineteen ninety. In two
in one he wrote Leney a letter.

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He did, he did, and
he said, I'm not the same man

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I once was. I've I've changed. I mean, like I said,

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see you are all like, No, I'm a hard Yeah, fuck him,

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I don't care. You can tell
me I've changed. No, No,

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I it was only twenty one.
I don't care. And now he's

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a man in his forties. Yeah, I get it. He wrote her

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and said, I'm not the same
person I once was. He was very

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apologetic. She read it, and
she kept it for nine years and read

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it, she said, maybe a
dozen times, a couple dozen times.

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Ten years later she wrote him back
and she told him she forgave him.

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Wow, I'm always amazed at people
who forgive the killers of family members,

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or maybe they're victims of you know, rape or something, but I'm always

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amazed, Like I'm not. I
don't know if I could do that.

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I don't know if I'm I don't
know's she said it was. It was

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a relief off of her chest to
accept it. Now, I could go

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into von Taylor if you think he
wrote some sweet letter. No, no,

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no. He appealed and he appealed, and at one point it uh

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he actually won or in effective counsel. However, the Supreme Court ended up

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after another appeal, reinstating death.
And so he's in Utah, but he's

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still he's still alive. Ralf ended
up making a full recovery. Wow,

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he got married, remarried. I
believe he married hey close friend, but

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you can see how they could bond
over that. He did die of pancreatic

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cancer in two thousand and eight,
and both the girls described him as being

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their hero. Oh really, well, yeah, they said he was all.

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One of the daughters said, he
was always my hero, but now

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it's a hero with an exclamation,
he's like a superhero. As far as

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the cabin, instead of forgetting about
it because of the horrible memories, they

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remodeled it and it's a place that
they the whole family goes to and it

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goes bus to. Oh, and
they have family gatherings and it's Tita's Tranquility,

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that's what they call it. And
that's where the family meets. And

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they said it's a very peaceful place
that they just tried to think of good

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things and oh, that's pretty much. Everybody is such a bigger person than

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I think I would be, I
know, I mean, I don't know.

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I'm like, oh, this is
just a I mean, that's that's

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a lovely ending that you know,
they can move on and at least turn,

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you know, a place where the
horrible things happen, try to celebrate

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their family and celebrate the lives that
they do have, and you know,

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that's nice. I when I was
doing this research, I read something that

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I thought was really interesting that I
just wanted to bring up. During the

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Sutton Zen phase for Von Taylor Ralph
Ralph not to talk. We did.

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Von Taylor didn't know Ralf was alive. He did it? How is it

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possible? Why do you not know? I don't know. Wow, maybe

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that's part of the ineffective council.
I really like you think you'd be like.

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I mean, he's being charged with
attempted murder, so who did he

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think? I don't know. There's
multi Apparently he's not very bright, so

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I'm not surprised. There were multiple
articles. If it was just one,

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I would be like. But multiple
articles said he was shocked. I bet,

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and Rolf said it was very cathartic
to be able to testify and have

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him see his face and he still
had the marks, you know, from

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the gun. But again he made
a full recovery. Good for him.

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Wow, this was a wild rollercoaster
of a story. Man so tragic,

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but Ralph survived, and wow,
that was an amazing part of that story.

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I can't how crazy is that?
No? I just and you can

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like, Okay, he survived,
can you imagine what he was thinking too,

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like laying there like his daughters are
being taken away. Yeah, like

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you can't just get up and like
grab them and try to stop them.

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Like Okay, he's thinking. He's
probably like racing thoughts like what am I

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gonna do? You know? Crazy? I ended up being that Kay was

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shot a total of five times.
I believe it was with a forty four

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and she it was a wound to
her shoulder that ended up killing her.

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She'd been shot in the shoulder,
the chest, I don't remember, but

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I think the one on their shoulder
was so close to her heart and that's

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the one that they ended that ended
up really but she was shot five times.

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Wow, Well thanks for that,
Juliah. That was just a yeah,

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and bless the family. Yeah it
could be in better people than you

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and I, Oh my god,
Yeah, they're way better people than I

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would ever be. So anyway,
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It's a pisser. It's a pisser
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these cases. Yeah, these cases
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this, if you get too deep
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This is how we cope. All
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and until our next episode, don't
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