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how the heck are you doing?
It's a real mixed bag for me.

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School started, so the kids are
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Thursday as of Wednesday, So that's
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here. I value I value schedules. I like, I like regimented days

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helps me stay sane, so that's
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I live, so that's the that's
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Yesterday's supposed to be somewhere around that
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Feel bad for me, I guess
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It's too hot. It's too hot, we agree, but no. The

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thing is though that I had snow
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least we know that global warming is
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can still be cold. Therefore,
what's this warming stuff? Speaking of global

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warming, let's talk about the North
Division. The NBA held on why why

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is it? Why are we speaking
in? Because in the North segue in

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the history of Hardwood knocks, and
I thought that would be the speaking on

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conspiracy theories. Let's talk about the
Denver nuggets and resignacted. Sure, so

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do you want to take us through? We begin with Denver. We're gonna

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try and do the alphabet again,
I assume. Yeah, we'll do our

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best I will start with Denver,
So I hate that we have to start

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with this one because it's got this
very complicated. Maybe you can simplify it

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for me after I like plow through
it. So essentially one of the big

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moves in a summer that they did
not really make any big ones, so

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we're talking relatively. Denver traded it's
twenty twenty nine first with a top five

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protection to the thunder for the worst, twenty twenty four first from Houston with

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top five protection, Utah with top
ten. Okay, see the twenty twenty

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four first is just straight up from
OKAC. The twenty twenty four first to

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be the Clippers, the worst of
that essentially number thirty seven and twenty twenty

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three and a twenty twenty four second. Then they flipped, so you're already

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gonna have to help me the worst
of the those picks to the Pacers,

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I think. I think the best
way to simplify is they ended up trading

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their twenty twenty nine first, which
is top five protected for two years,

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and they already have an obligation okay, in twenty twenty seven, but they

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traded that first number forty and they
ended up with Julian Strather at number twenty

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nine, jail and Pickett at number
thirty two, number thirty seven, Hunter

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Tyson, and I think they got
a twenty twenty four second. Yes,

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they get that twenty four second from
the least favorable of Charlotte and Minnesota.

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Yeah, even the god damn even
the second has to be least favorable.

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I hate these trades just we were
too complicated anyway, So they end up

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with basically basically straw Their Pickett and
hunter Tyson. Well but as Tyson even

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part of Yeah, they got the
thirty seventh pick, right, Okay,

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anyway, they did all that shit. So now they have rookies on the

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roster, Julian Strawther, Jalen Picket, Hunter Tyson. Let's get to the

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real meat of this. They signed
Reggie Jackson for two years and ten two

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five million with a player option.
Thank you for including We have to talk

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about that. I kind of want
to just see the floor to you.

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But we'll get through a couple more
things. Uh. DeAndre Jordan's back,

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Justin Holiday also back, also on
board for the minimum. Bruce Brown Jr.

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Is gone to Indie, Jeff Green
also gone. Thomas Bryant is gone,

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is Schmith is unsigned. I don't
know that he has signed any place

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yet, but I would love for
him to sign with a different team so

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he can continue to extend his streak
of most teams played for in NBA history.

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Uh, that's pretty much it.
Do you want to Well, first

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of all, we didn't really lead
with this, but if you've listened to

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the three Eastern Conference divisions, we
did understand that a C is like fine,

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it's passing no no, I mean
that matters for this too. And

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we're also trying to factor in like
what options were available, what were the

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opportunities not pursued that We're realistic,
so every team is a little bit different,

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right, It's kind of like it's
not a firm grading scale. We're

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trying to be fair to each team
and their individual circumstances. So the Nuggets

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didn't have a lot of options essentially, right, So we have to think

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about that. But also Reggie Jackson, Dan please go so and what did

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not factor? They could not pay
Bruce Brown? What it was just it

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wasn't they chose tax savings over they
couldn't keep Bruce Brown. They could have

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kept Jeff Green, but that's just
like he got a deal where it was

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okay, it's only the one year
guarantee, but that was a salary that

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was just not commensurate with the value
he was going to play. The other

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thing to note too is Vaco chan
Chard tour an acl. That's like something

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that doesn't impact their grade, but
it's something to keep in mind here.

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And I don't know how you feel
about So they did sign all the players

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we were listing when you're looking at
pick it in Tyson specifically, they did

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give them four year deals with three
fully guaranteed years on them, which I

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think is always interesting when there's second
round picks involved there their resources available.

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It was just not I'm probably gonna
pick this team to win the title in

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This was just a really bad offseason, and I think what they did when

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you're looking at the trading the twenty
twenty nine first is ultimately fine if you're

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really liking the players that you got
back. You know, maybe I know

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Denver fans and myself, I'm high
on Peyton Watson's supply, which doesn't factor

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in this off season. A lot
of them really like Hunter Tyson. I've

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seen a lot of them really like
Jail and Pickett, and then there's already

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Oka Julian Strother play sort of a
role. We don't know enough about those

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guys, so I don't want to
take it too hard, but I'm just

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sort of like, this team isn't
built to need a bigger move, but

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you've now just removed any possibility of
that happening from the equation because you've traded

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these first that are so far out
you kind of need to let them build

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back up. And then if you're
gonna run into second Apron concerns, you

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might even not have the most distant
ones available to you moving forward. I

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don't again hate that part of their
off season. I'm not gonna get over

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the Reggie Jackson two guaranteed years,
like giving him the player option, and

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maybe it was a wink wink agreement
when he came over in the buyout market,

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and you sort of look at it
and say, well, look at

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what's happening with James Harden. When
you break wink wink agreements in Philly.

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It's Reggie Jackson. He wasn't part
of your playoff rotation. I don't know

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what he has left. Maybe he
shocks us and provides like a lot of

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good backup point guard minutes for them
next season, and I don't know who

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else they could have gotten with their
mini mL E, but that was your

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best spending tool, which was already
hamstrung because of the new CBA, Like

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it's just not worth as much in
commensurate with how the cap is rising in

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like the actual other exceptions, but
you just there would have been better options

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at the especially because teams just weren't
really using their exceptions, like it was

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a lot of them lost them like
the more expensive teams. Teams were reticent

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to spend their entire full mL I
do think what helps them, I guess

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is all right, well, who
were they supposed to turn around and sign,

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I mean even and he's not a
backup point guard if you want an

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actual ball handling Javon Carter got more
than Reggie Jackson, And so it's just

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like you would have to, did
you Derek Rose on this team I actually

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signed for cheaper? Probably not?
And so that really warps my perception of

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this offseason because I'm not sure necessarily
what else they were supposed to do,

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but kind of burning this best tool
on Reggie Jackson is kind of like,

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well, what I've preferred from a
basketball perspective to have thrown like like rolled

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the dice on literally anyone, or
would I'd rather have seen them use the

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trade exception that they think it was
the money Morris trade exception that expired,

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Like could they have been more aggressive
and trying to do something like that?

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And I ended up with a D
plus for them because I dam intrigued by

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jail and Pickett specifically and Julian Strouther
and I think that this team is they're

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still really good and I don't know
what else they were supposed to do.

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But when you take your best bending
tool and you turn it into Reggie Jackson,

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well giving him a player option by
the way, it's just that that

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doesn't seem like, yes, we
want to give this team the benefit of

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the doubt, but that's not like
the smartest use of Like I would have

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preferred them to have brought back Jeff
Green, that I would have what they

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did with Reggie Jackson. And the
other thing here too is just like you're

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kind of maybe you disproves that they're
finally going to be married to the Zeke

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Nagy experience next year, let's see, but like you kind of punted on

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backup center minutes again too by bringing
like the DeAndre contract whatever, and you

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have Yokich, like there's still this
like ten to twelve minutes a game that

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you could stand to upgrade. They
didn't even look at doing that. Yeah,

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I think the Jackson thing, it's
a C minus for me. So

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we're really kind of right in the
same neighborhood. I think, Well,

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let me ask you, what do
you think about the It seems like broadly

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Denver is saying we got four expensive
guys and one extremely expensive guy in Yokich,

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and we ought to find a way
to get some cost control going.

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And so if that means we trade
a distant first to get three guys that

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we're gonna sign in these rookies two
longer deals than these guys would normally get,

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and just try to like lock in
some lowish numbers on guys we hope

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in a year or two can be
like at least end of rotation, like

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guys that actually play because they're just
sort of hamstrung financially with their four big

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contracts. Talking about MPJ and Murray
and Gordon in addition to Yokich, and

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if you're contending for a title like
now that twenty nine first like really doesn't

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matter. So I kind of like
some of the thinking that went into that

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complicated trade that I could not get
through, And so just that on its

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own is yeah, okay, that
that makes that makes some sense to me.

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You're trying to find ways to avoid
just rocketing into like ultra tax you

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know eventually that all whether that works
out or not depends almost entirely on just

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like are these guys any good?
Like well one of them pop or you

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know, maybe two of them project
as guys that you can actually count on

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in twenty twenty five or something like
that. The Jackson thing is what just

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knocks it down below average to me, just because like how the player Okay,

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maybe I'll be more specific, just
the player option. What are we

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doing? Why why does Reggie Jackson
get a player option? Like who who

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was offering you know, two years
at ten two five straight? Like nobody,

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there's just nobody. So that whenever
that's the case, I think you

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said it, it's kind of feels
a little wink winkie. And speaking of

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I don't I don't really ding them
at all for losing Bruce Brown, because

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what could they have paid him.
This has early birds, so it's like

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seven a year, and then you're
gonna have to hope that you do the

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Nick Patom thing where yeah, come
back for one opt out and then we

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can really pay you. And they
couldn't even have paid him with early bird

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rights what he got an Indie for
the one year No, not even close.

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So like it never again. I
think I said this when it happened.

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Never listened to players and coaches at
the post championship parade when everybody's like,

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Bruce is coming back. No he's
not. He was never coming.

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Insane decision for him to come back. I mean, just the money he's

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getting from India is like, how
if you're Bruce Brown, you're not turning

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that contract down for anything in Indy. Come back to Denver in a couple

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of years if you want to.
So it's just I can't. I can't

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fault them for losing him. That
was just that was not part of my

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grade at all. But it sort
of comes down to when you mentioned Reggie

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Jackson, just like just to access
for some people like well, you just

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said you don't know what they were
supposed to do, So would you have

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rather Frank niel kena here obviously,
but I think we know the answer that.

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But look like Dennis Smith Junior got
the minimum, Yeah, Ry Joseph

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got the minimum. Would you have
preferred those guys? And like they didn't

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even wait. Reggie Jackson was just
signed, like almost right away. Would

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you have preferred rather than have him
on the two ways? Like, hey,

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let's see what Colin Gillespie can give
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yeah, So like that's what I'm
saying, and that's why it was the

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Reggie Jackson name that did it.
And I just don't you're I think you

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are looking at it from a more
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I'm just like, Okay, this
team, I guess, really doesn't need

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to make a bigger swing. But
now they've just removed that option from the

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table, where they've decided that not
like even a mid end swing, like

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any any trade they make is going
to be so marginal, or any someone

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cracking the rotation who makes a meaningful
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And I'm just uncomfortable. You've done
it a couple of times. It

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has worked out, but it's just
it makes me uncomfortable, and so again

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it's really the Reggie Jackson stuff for
me, because I think you could have

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went on them even just like he's
not a point guard Eric Gordon at the

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minimum, I would have given him
this money. It's in hell. Yeah,

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yeah, for sure. That's where
I land with Denver, our next

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team, unless you have anything else
on the Nuggets. Nope. The Minnesota

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Timberwolves did a bunch of stuff relatives
and not really having a lot of stuff

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to do. They signed Anthony Edwards
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million dollars max contract with no player
options. It can go to the thirty

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percent of the max. It includes
a fifteen percent trade kicker. They extended

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nas Read on a three year,
forty two million dollars deal that includes a

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player option on the final season.
They traded Utah's twenty twenty six second and

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their own two twenty eight second for
number thirty three Leonard Miller. Because they

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don't have enough bigs, they signed
Nikil Alexander Walker to a two year,

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nine million dollar contract. They signed
Shake Milton to a two year ten million

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dollar contract with a non guarantee on
year two. They signed Troy Brown junior

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to a two year, eight million
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two. And they also, if
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and number fifty seven Jail and Clark
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stuff. Jail and Nowell still remains
unsigned. They did wave Torrion Prince now

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on the Lakers, and we have
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you can't factor this into their grade
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talk just now, which leads me
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capslock put aid as he should.
What did you think about? What stands

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out to you? Is this this
offseason for Minnesota? I liked it a

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lot. I'll just I gave I
gave him a B plus for this.

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I if I have like for first
of all the good like I think I've

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several times I said, I think
Nikiel Alexander Walker, it's still like not

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too late for him to be something. It's two keina a little bit,

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he kind of might be, He
kind of might be and shake Milton two

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years ten million with a non guarantee. I'm really surprised. That's all it

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took for him, Troy I know
you like Troy Brown Junior. I think

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again, these these mid tier these
aren't even mid tier deals anymore. And

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the modern like you know, pay
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three guys on board with you know, significant flexibility in the out year,

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that's that's great. I think let's
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just deserved to get max no question
player option to win unless I have that

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again. But no player option on
that isn't like, yeah, that's the

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big time, Like Anthony Edwards is
so good. Yeah, no, I

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mean, I'm I'm really surprised he
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think if anybody's signing a rookie scale
deal had the cloud to get one,

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it would it would be him.
Like if had he come back and said

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I need it, I don't know
how you say you can't. It's like

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say no, so good, good
on them. The Nazri deal three years,

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forty two million with the player option
in the third. Obviously, the

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positional glut makes this kind of I
don't know, it's not it doesn't quite

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rise to the level of like head
scratching. But the way I would defend

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it is to say it's just asset
preservation. I think he's he's properly paid

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at that number, and you can
envision a team if this is how it

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goes, eventually surrendering value to get
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totally fine. It just doesn't make
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what's the team on the floor going
to look like unless this car And I

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don't think this is the case.
But one way you could explain is well,

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if and when the Karl Anthony Town's
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know, he's not your third center, he's your backup center. I don't

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always love him with Nazrid, with
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are not good. I like him
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generally the case with a guy that
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play those guys at the four anymore. Really, so that one, I

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don't know that I could have gotten
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I don't hate the deal, just
years and dollars, but that one felt

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weird to me. Do you have
any like I think you liked the naz

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Red deal? More than I did
if I recall. But what's what if

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anything about that? What are your
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I'd like to get him at basically
mid level money. And like there's

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he does so much on offense that
I think people don't realize It's he was

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viewed mostly as a floor spacer,
and his shooting I think did get better

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as the season went on. There's
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like putting the ball in his hands. That's huge, Just like because when

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you're kind of looking at this team, I think they did. They have

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Kyle Anderson, they have Anthony Edwards, they have Karl Anthony Towns even and

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like you pick up Shake Milton,
but there's like someone who might like he

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might be in every level score and
who are the every level scores on this

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team? Anthony Edwards? And I
guess you've considered Towns in every level score?

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So I have another one of those
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not seen enough data on the NAS
Read plus another big lineups to say by

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far and away that they can't work. And I would actually be more hopeful,

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I think for Towns Read than maybe
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the money is just and I'll look
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he becomes like a better if you
decide to move on from him. He

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has more value on this contract than
he did before. And so I didn't

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I wouldn't even have second guessed this
at like I just I think it was

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a and maybe he was more about
it after his injury that ended the season,

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because I was actually shocked at the
number I thought a team wanted,

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Like, you know, if he
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Rockets or maybe even the Pistons might
have come in and with like a really

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good offer. And so I think
to get him for this money even if

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again, if you don't like the
glut, but do you let someone that

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value, like what was the alternative? Let him walk? Right? Money?

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Right now? That that I think
that's right. Let me ask you

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this before we get off the Wolves. Here, is there a number that

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Jaden McDaniels could sign for that would
significantly swing your grade up or down?

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Like, because I think one hundred
million dollars, you know, four for

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one hundred is definitely kind of like
the thing I've been anchored to. If

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you got to be the number that
would dragged the grade down. I think

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that's really the question. If he
gets it will be an A. If

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he sighs for like twenty million or
less, they just get an A plus

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plus plus plus, because that is
absurd. I would I just I was

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just I don't have an answer.
I was just curious, like as a

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thought exercise, like how do you
pay overpay Jake McDaniels. Is it thirty

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year? And that's another player doesn't
have like the every levelness to his game.

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But that's another player who I don't
know if he'll ever see it on

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this team, can do stuff with
the ball in his hands. Now,

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it's very much projection based for him. I think, like you, the

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defense, I think is that we
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And if he's gonna make threes at
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well, now this is a this
is your thing. Volume picked up this

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year and if the percentage is held, So if it was four for one

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twenty, I think okay with that, I would be too. Yeah,

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And so I just think I don't
I feel like his extension if he signs

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won will end up not impact if
they max him, if they just decide,

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like I'm trying, I do think
of the number where it's just like

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and I just don't know what even
if they went four for one forty,

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would that would you be like,
oh, like whatever, like that's fine.

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I might have some reservations about that
one. But yeah, no,

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I guess that's the point here is
that I think, now if they don't

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get something done at all, maybe
that's that's a problem. I mean,

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they don't have to, because they
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I think four year max, by
the way I think as of now would

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be like four years one fifty two
something. I don't think he gets it.

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I don't think so either, although
the fact that it's taking this long,

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although like I've guessed, I just
although although myself, I just pivoted

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to really hard. The Wolves do
have like a significant number of really big

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contracts on the book, so I
can understand some hesitation or trying to like

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squeeze a few pennies out if we're
going to do another one. So Jaden

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McDaniels and Anti Edwards' new deals will
kick in next year. So let me

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give you Migrated with Him worls,
which I gave an a minus the only

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thing I didn't like. And I've
just I've seen and heard some people think

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that Troy Brown Junior is gonna be
an upgrade over Torrian Prince. I just

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don't. I don't see it.
I think Torrian Prince could have been really

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important for the way this team is
built right now. And I understand the

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finances of it all, like what
you ended up getting Nikiel Alexander Walker and

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Shake Milton for anyway, and even
what you gave Troy Brown Junior above the

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minimum, there were like other steps
that you could have taken. I would

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have wanted to have kept him if
I were then. So that's really the

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only thing I dinged them before.
I think there, and the Leonard Miller

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acquisitions is a little bit curious.
But I also respect, like, hey,

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we identified we didn't have a pick
someone we liked. We're just gonna

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go get him, Like we didn't
have a pick in the top in the

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top thirty three, so we're gonna
go get him. So I do respect

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that. But yeah, I think
the question I was gonna throw to you.

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Jade McDaniels Andy Edwards are on their
new deals next year. Carnty Towns

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and Rudy Gobert are there? What
are the chances I'm gonna set the over

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under at point five? One of
those four players is there? Is it?

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Could you? Are you born implied
to go with the under because it's

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like, oh well, Mike Conley
comes off the books until like it really

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isn't there's like the ready made replacement. Oh man, that's tough. So

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really it's really it's is Gobert or
Town's gone? Is the question? Right?

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Like? That's that's what we're getting
to. I wish you could.

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I wish I could answer this in
like January as opposed to right now,

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because I think this very much.
The Wolves played twenty five games, and

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there are trade rumors, and I'd
like, I'd like to see this team

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for a little while. Frankly,
uh, I would say they'll both be

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there. But I do think that
Gobert is getting closer to not being such

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an albatross as as the years come
off. I could Although Towns is in

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the trade rumors all the time,
I guess I guess if the over under

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his point five so is somebody gone? I would take the over. Someone

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will be gone and it'll be one
of the two bigs. But I actually

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I am having a harder time deciding
which of the two it'll be. I'm

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gonna go under because I just think
they're gonna be a lot better this year.

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But this think you're gonna be really
good too. I mean, we

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remember when we do the regrades when
I get back from traveling. That's I

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think we both might have given.
I don't remember. We might have given

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them like a pluses across the board
or something. Why. I'm sure I

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have thought that the Gobert trade was
like I, I defended it. I'm

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sure I defended it. I can't
remember. I would love to hear all

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my logic on that again. But
would you, well, would you?

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Although I would not, Let's do
the thunder. You're ready to move on?

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Yeah, okay, uh, let's
see. I've been practicing this one,

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and it's the first bullet point on
my summary. They signed Vassilier meetsitch,

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and that is the correct pronunciation,
because I youtubed it and I listened

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to the person correctly pronounced it several
times for three years. So it's a

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mess. It's it's like mitt sich
is the way it was phonetically pronounced.

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But I'm not I'm gonna say,
I'm gonna say Mitchage like, uh,

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migge, yeah, mis missage team
option and on that three year deal for

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twenty three point six million. Again, you have this cleaner. This is

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this their side of the Denver trade, getting the twenty twenty nine first for

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the least favorable of like seventy million, picks number thirty seven, and a

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twenty four second. The trade that's
easier to understand is they took on Davis

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Berton's money from Dallas and the number
ten pick to take case in Wallace and

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sent the number twelve back to the
MAVs. Then we also have some Patty

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Mills Shenanigans that he gets routed there
for like five seconds, and a multi

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team trade that also involves the Rockets
and the Grizzlies. Patty Mills is not

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on the Thunder blank He's on the
Hawks now, and Rudy Gay has been

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waved. There's a future second that
ended up with the Thunder and ty T

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Watt tell me if this is wrong. Ty Ti Washington and Usman Grubar are

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still technically on the Thunder's roster,
but they're like players nineteen and twenty on

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their current roster right now. Basically
it might be yeah, because that you

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said they weighed Rudy Gay. That
trade was they basically traded cash for Uzman,

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Ruba, Tai Tai, Washington,
Rudy Gay, and I think they

404
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got a second round or Memphis second
round. But they did all that to

405
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,119
just add to a roster like they're
gonna just have to cut loose several guys

406
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,279
right like that. You can't.
You can't have twenty guys. It's not

407
00:26:15,319 --> 00:26:22,480
allowed. Another speaking of Victor Oladipo
for two seconds and two seconds for cash.

408
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,160
They also signed Jack White, they
lost Dario Sarich, and they drafted

409
00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:32,119
another Keyante Johnson at number fifty.
So its or other pick. A lot

410
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,319
of like convoluted stuff, a lot
of taking on money, a lot of

411
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,559
moving picks around. I did not
like this offseason for the Thunder, and

412
00:26:38,599 --> 00:26:41,200
that's the first time I've said that
about them in a really long time.

413
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:47,119
I am open to the counter argument
of what would you have preferred they do

414
00:26:47,599 --> 00:26:51,519
because they just already have a million
young players and unless you're going time for

415
00:26:51,559 --> 00:26:56,079
consolidation trade, I don't know what
to do. So it's a D plus

416
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,240
for me and I'll throw it to
you with with that hanging in the air.

417
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,400
They this is what's tough because we
get into the criteria of what would

418
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,759
we have done and then grading it
knowing the constraints that they've decided to work

419
00:27:07,799 --> 00:27:11,119
within, and so I would have
been more aggressive with my cap space.

420
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,160
Now I also read like PJ Washington
still floating around out there. That was

421
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,799
a name I had proposed for them
missing out on PJ Washington doesn't is not

422
00:27:18,519 --> 00:27:25,079
my grade that I will reveal shortly, is not necessarially necessarily criticizing them for

423
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,640
the players they didn't go after,
just because I would have I had I

424
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,960
didn't even have higher hopes. I
just would have went more aggressively because and

425
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,519
this is a compliment, we're gonna
get killed. I won't cut this up.

426
00:27:33,559 --> 00:27:37,640
I'm done. I like won't post
anything when we do the I used

427
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:38,839
to post it for every team,
but like we have negative stuff to say,

428
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,920
it's just not worth my listen to
the whole podcast, Like it's not

429
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,480
worth my mental psyche of these YouTube
comments coming up with people getting mad?

430
00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:48,359
Can I cut in before you say
a negative thing? And I just gave

431
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,680
a D plus. I fucking love
the Thunder. Like I think this team

432
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,480
is great. I love the players. Is better than prime Michael Jordan,

433
00:27:56,559 --> 00:27:59,200
so of course, I mean that's
from us. That's where we're starting at.

434
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,319
I have like three or four guys
that are better than prime Michael Jordan.

435
00:28:02,599 --> 00:28:03,960
And this is just the off season. Like if when we get into

436
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,039
over unders, like we're gonna be
so hot and when when when we hope

437
00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:10,839
maybe we'll do it together the look
ahead, we're gonna love the Thunder.

438
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:15,799
I still love the Thunder. So
let's just throw away the side they were

439
00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:18,559
never gonna go after someone in free
agency. I still think teams should do

440
00:28:18,599 --> 00:28:21,960
that more like you fucking make the
Lakers pay more for Austin Reeves. This

441
00:28:22,039 --> 00:28:26,759
isn't Thunder specific again, does not
factor into their grade. I it like,

442
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,880
I need to know how they feel
about Kays and Wallace in a guard

443
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:37,759
rotation that includes Sga. Now Visilier, is he even gonna play Josh Giddy

444
00:28:38,039 --> 00:28:41,319
lou Dort is there? Yes,
you can move some of these guys positionally,

445
00:28:41,319 --> 00:28:45,960
and I think we're gonna see there's
gonna be collateral damage here where it's

446
00:28:45,559 --> 00:28:48,519
better not be Isaiah Joe, like
he should factor in the guard rotation isn't

447
00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:52,680
gonna be ty Ty Washington. You
know, Trey Mann feels like someone who

448
00:28:52,759 --> 00:28:56,680
could get bounced here, so he's
still on the roster, right They didn't

449
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:02,079
bounce on Yeah, so that's like, that's how crowded their roster is right

450
00:29:02,079 --> 00:29:03,799
now. But I was like,
this is a trade man still on this

451
00:29:03,839 --> 00:29:08,519
team to take on twenty two and
a half million dollars guaranteed of Burton's to

452
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:14,799
move up two spots. That's not
good asset management, especially when you saw

453
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,759
what like less cap space could get, Like they got two pretty good seconds

454
00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:22,480
just to take on the expiring deal
Victory Oladippo. I would have preferred you

455
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,720
could say this, but like,
well, they already have too many players.

456
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,720
The Spurs got like something to take
on Reggie Bullock. That's someone who

457
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,839
could have helped them or even if
he was breaking case of emergency. And

458
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:38,240
I know thunder fans' response has been
and I think even someone I can't remember

459
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,920
who covers them for the athletic one
on the low posts and said, well,

460
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,240
now they have like a human trade
exception in Davis Burton's and like,

461
00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:48,319
I get it, but that runs
counter to if you're not gonna let me

462
00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:52,759
criticize the Thunder for not being aggressive
enough on the free agent market. I'm

463
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,039
supposed to believe that, oh,
this is the year they're gonna be aggressive

464
00:29:56,039 --> 00:30:00,000
and consolidate on the trade market.
So that was just I don't understand it.

465
00:30:00,079 --> 00:30:03,319
I like Cason Wallace as a prospect. I don't see his future on

466
00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:08,079
this team outside of being like the
fourth guard, or maybe it's the third

467
00:30:08,119 --> 00:30:12,039
guard because you consider Shay or Giddy
or lu dort owing just because they play

468
00:30:12,079 --> 00:30:15,039
so much together. Okay, fine, I did not love that. I

469
00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:18,240
think the trade with Denver was a
home run because now you control their first

470
00:30:18,519 --> 00:30:23,200
basically from twenty twenty nine through two
thirty and the fact that you can't we're

471
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,240
talking about their roster crunch to kind
of move some of these pick commitments back

472
00:30:27,319 --> 00:30:30,160
since they traded. It was like
a least favorable twenty twenty four first.

473
00:30:30,599 --> 00:30:34,359
That's good business by them. I
don't have a problem with the Victor Oladipo

474
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,279
deal from a pure value perspective.
I still like Usman Garuba, but it's

475
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,480
he's probably just gonna get cut,
right, So what were they doing there?

476
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,839
I went with like, I just
went with a flat C minus for

477
00:30:45,839 --> 00:30:51,039
them because I think it was below
average. I just I don't. It's

478
00:30:51,039 --> 00:30:53,799
not even I don't understand it.
They added to some gluts and I don't.

479
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,319
I think the biggest thing is they
did not get good value for their

480
00:30:57,359 --> 00:31:00,960
cap space this summer regard. Are
this of what you expected them to do?

481
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,440
All right? I've as you've been
talking, I've been thinking about a

482
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,119
couple of things. I think I'm
gonna move up from a D plus.

483
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,279
I'm gonna join you in the C
minus territory. And it's gonna be based

484
00:31:11,319 --> 00:31:18,759
on a totally speculative belief that maybe
Case and Wallace like is a guy like

485
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,559
and that's that's the reason they did
this. More, you know, the

486
00:31:21,599 --> 00:31:23,920
Breton's dead money or I don't know
how dead that money is, by the

487
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,039
way, Like, maybe this is
a team that does need shooting, and

488
00:31:26,079 --> 00:31:30,240
maybe they can rehab his value and
trade him for more than they or than

489
00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:33,920
they got. Wallace was like a
top five player in his class, and

490
00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:37,319
he would not be the first Kentucky
guard to just get out of Kentucky and

491
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,240
arrive in the league and suddenly like, oh shit, this guy should have

492
00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:44,920
been a top You know whatever,
pick I might be mistaken too. I

493
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,400
don't remember the last Kentucky guard wherever
they came out, and they would just

494
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:52,319
build as like a three D prospect
too, No I So I think and

495
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,640
I try to stay away from this, like you know, full stop with

496
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,680
rookies, because we just we don't
know. I don't care what you did

497
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,960
in college unless you're Tim Duncan or
or whatever, and we just have this

498
00:32:00,039 --> 00:32:06,759
ridiculous track record to judge you on. He might. I think there's there

499
00:32:06,759 --> 00:32:08,640
may be a case to be made
that he could be the kind of guy

500
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:13,440
that justifies this even with the positional
glutt and he just becomes a massive asset

501
00:32:13,599 --> 00:32:16,720
for this team that like maybe Giddy
isn't someone they you know, he tops

502
00:32:16,759 --> 00:32:21,119
out or he just doesn't fit or
you know, you want you think you

503
00:32:21,119 --> 00:32:22,720
can play Jayen Williams at the three
or the four all the time and you

504
00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:27,920
can just fit Wallace in there.
I could. I could see that being

505
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,720
worth it. And so you know, that's not the boldest play, But

506
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:34,000
maybe this is just the guy that
they knew they had to get and they

507
00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:36,400
did it. So I'm gonna go
SE minus because D plus feels a little

508
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:37,759
low, so I'll join you there
too. I've etched it in Stone.

509
00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:42,039
I'm sorry you're sticking with You're sticking
with the D plus and it's just i

510
00:32:42,079 --> 00:32:45,319
think, even evaluated within how they
were going to operate, just a little

511
00:32:45,359 --> 00:32:47,400
bit disappointed. Like C minus is
still it's not a failing grade. So

512
00:32:49,559 --> 00:32:52,759
do we want to go to the
next team, which is the Portland Trailblazers,

513
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,640
who have I think the most potential
to date everything that we're about to

514
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,720
say on this podcast, right,
Like, that's the team that could blow

515
00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:04,519
everything up here. They drafted Scoot
Henderson at number three. That gets into

516
00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:07,720
an interesting discussion where, well,
we'll get to it. Drafted Chris Murray

517
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:12,000
at number twenty three, drafted and
I'm just listening to this because I really

518
00:33:12,039 --> 00:33:15,680
like him Ryan Rupert at number forty
three and fought him to a three year,

519
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,519
five point three million dollar deal with
a team option on the final season.

520
00:33:17,759 --> 00:33:21,440
They signed Jeremy Grant to a five
year, one hundred and sixty million

521
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,599
dollars deal that includes a player option
on the final year, which will be

522
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:28,119
his age thirty four season. They
matched to three year, thirty three point

523
00:33:28,119 --> 00:33:31,079
one million dollar offer on Matisse Thyball. That deal. It includes a fifteen

524
00:33:31,079 --> 00:33:35,799
percent trade kicker. He gets to
veto any trade for a year and fifty

525
00:33:35,839 --> 00:33:39,440
percent of his annual salary must be
paid by October first. And they signed

526
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:45,720
John Butler and Ibdubaji to two way
contracts and then they wave trend in Watford.

527
00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:47,640
Is the only other notable thing that
I forgot right? Nothing else?

528
00:33:47,799 --> 00:33:52,039
Oh, yes, I don't think
anything else has happened in Portland. Yeah,

529
00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:54,559
the use of Nurki's trade him.
No, the Damian Lillard trade rumors

530
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:59,880
certainly factor into this. I don't
know. This is more of a conversation

531
00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:02,759
for I guess the Spurs. But
I think what's interesting here is how do

532
00:34:02,839 --> 00:34:08,000
you evaluate their decision to take Scoot
Henderson when he's such the obvious pick at

533
00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:12,440
number three. You can't credit them
too much when it's Victor Weman Yamala,

534
00:34:12,559 --> 00:34:15,679
Like the Spurs, you tank that
shouldn't be part of your grade. In

535
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:20,000
Portland's case, the obvious player.
But also given the fact that they had

536
00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:23,519
Damian Lillard on the roster, there
is some like chutzpah here where it's oh,

537
00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:27,320
you had the gall to take Scoot
Henderson, and so I did.

538
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,559
Factor that into my grade. I
did too, and this is a bee

539
00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:35,559
slashing complete for me, because the
dame stuff just looms and you know,

540
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,400
depending on what they get for him, could move the grade one way or

541
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:42,679
the other. So I don't think
you credit them necessarily with oh, this

542
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,559
in their infinite wisdom, they plucked
Scoot Henderson out of a draft class where

543
00:34:45,559 --> 00:34:49,639
nobody believed he would go. This
was the pick, right, Obviously you

544
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,840
take Scoot there. I think like
zooming out. The fact that they took

545
00:34:53,920 --> 00:35:00,119
him is part of a broader plan
that I think is the right plan just

546
00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:02,159
to move on from Damian Lillard,
right, I think I think it's very

547
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:07,119
much the case that had they picked
someplace else where, Scoot was not the

548
00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:12,719
guy that they were able to get. I'm not sure what this team looks

549
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,480
like or what direction they're going,
and it does seem to me like they

550
00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:17,679
weren't expecting to be able to get
Henderson. They got him, and that

551
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:22,320
really changed the dynamic between them and
Lillard and their willingness to you know,

552
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:27,119
not tank hard, but you know, essentially start the rebuild because now we've

553
00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:30,000
got our point guard for the next
ten or twelve years and we can move

554
00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:32,119
on from the one that we had
for the past decade. So that's a

555
00:35:32,199 --> 00:35:36,920
hard move to make. I think
they deserve a little bit of credit for

556
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:42,000
making the tough decision to say we're
basically pivoting now. The problem with that,

557
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:44,679
and the reason this great isn't higher
is I hate the Jeremy Grant deal.

558
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,800
I just don't understand how he was
able to get Like, where was

559
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,800
the bigger offer coming from. I'm
going to say that a lot with deals

560
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:57,079
like this, he doesn't. I
don't know that he's a positive value asset

561
00:35:57,159 --> 00:36:02,679
at that number. I don't know
that he is someone that like necessarily like

562
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:07,079
if you're bringing on Jeremy Grant,
Jeremy Grant's a good player. I think

563
00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:09,159
the best version of Jeremy Grant is
like a fourth or fifth option that's mostly

564
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:13,039
there to defend and he can create
shots if you need him to. He's

565
00:36:13,079 --> 00:36:15,920
not the Pistons Grant or even last
year's Portland Grant, where he's got a

566
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:22,039
pretty significant offensive responsibility. Just that
that is not my favorite version of him,

567
00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:24,360
and he's now being paid like that's
the floor version. Like this guy

568
00:36:24,519 --> 00:36:29,840
is your first or second option,
essentially, if you're acquiring him as another

569
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,960
team. So I don't like that
that knocks the great down. But big

570
00:36:32,039 --> 00:36:39,599
picture, just like the the overall
idea of we're ready to pivot, we're

571
00:36:39,679 --> 00:36:44,159
kind of ending the Dame era,
we're starting the Scoot era, and it's

572
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:45,920
messy and we don't know what they're
going to get. But I just like

573
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:52,519
the idea of embracing like that it's
time. So that's where I end up

574
00:36:52,519 --> 00:36:55,199
with the B. I think,
honestly, this might be one of our

575
00:36:55,199 --> 00:37:00,039
biggest divergence is I go with a
C minus here because they deserve Yes,

576
00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:02,599
they made the Scoot pick knowing Damian
Lwards on the roster, but to not

577
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:07,960
have a better hold on this situation
and allow your vision to be so shaped

578
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,400
by where you're landing in the lottery
order. When you already had Shandon Sharp,

579
00:37:10,519 --> 00:37:15,159
you were going through Jeremy Grant's contract
year, even just the Matisse Thybal

580
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:19,239
contract, it's like you now have
yourself. I don't the upfront payment,

581
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,840
maybe they don't care about, but
like, you couldn't have negotiated something that

582
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,079
would have avoided this trade kicker or
put you in a situation where now you

583
00:37:24,159 --> 00:37:29,039
give him veto power for one year
that well, they're just matching that offer

584
00:37:29,079 --> 00:37:31,000
sheet. Those are all Dallas's terms
on Tyble's offers. But that's my point.

585
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,599
It's like, why couldn't the numbers
not big enough for me to say,

586
00:37:34,639 --> 00:37:37,559
well, why weren't you negotiating more
aggressively yourselves with these tible first?

587
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,559
That feels like a mini fail there, And so I do give him credit

588
00:37:42,599 --> 00:37:45,400
for taking Scoot Henderson, and it's
an incomplete as well, just we don't

589
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,440
know until the Dame trade could totally
flip this on its head, Like you

590
00:37:49,559 --> 00:37:52,360
need to have a better hold on
the Damian Lillard situation because now he's requested

591
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,639
or demanded a trade to this one
team, which is held up your entire

592
00:37:55,679 --> 00:37:59,840
operation. Because he's only he won't
hurt the development of your player. He's

593
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:04,000
not going to be a malcontent that
goes to China and talks to kids about

594
00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:07,320
how much the front office is a
lying sack a liar. Right, So

595
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,280
at least I don't think imagine if
that's like that, he's like looking at

596
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,159
hard and yeah, this is what
I want to be. So but you

597
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,760
needed to have a better grasp of
this situation, and we all saw this

598
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,679
coming from a mile away. People
have been too thirsty for a Dame trade

599
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,440
for too long. You needed to
have a better hold on your vision.

600
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:29,360
There's a point where it's flexibility and
there's a point where it's just utter ambiguity,

601
00:38:29,519 --> 00:38:32,679
if not incompetence. I think this
was more ambiguity. I don't think

602
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:37,159
the Blazers are incompetent. The fact
that they didn't want to make the decision

603
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,480
themselves. It feels like it's just
I have to dig them for that.

604
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,440
I could even probably be talked into
a d to be honest, I think

605
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:45,880
they can move to Jeremy Grant deal. But you know what, like you

606
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,559
put yourself in a position where you
didn't really have a choice other than to

607
00:38:49,639 --> 00:38:52,719
give him this contract because you didn't
have a good hold on your vision because

608
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,679
you tied it. And that's assuming
you did. You tied it to well,

609
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,679
let's see where we land in the
draft, and then we have to

610
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,760
wait and see what the Charlotte hornets. No, Like, you need to

611
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:06,239
have like a more firmer vision in
place, and there was clearly a larger

612
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,880
like disconnect between them and Dame based
off even if that was their plan to

613
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,760
just wait and see what happens with
the draft. He didn't think that was

614
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,440
their plan, yeah, or he
may have known that was the plan and

615
00:39:17,159 --> 00:39:21,960
was not on board, like which
which you can definitely defend them. Yeah.

616
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,119
And so I think we'll see what
the package ends up being from Miami

617
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,800
or if another team gets involved,
and that could certainly sway their grade.

618
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,000
This is not a failing grade,
but they needed to have a better hold

619
00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:35,719
of not just the Dame situation and
their vision and this offseason, despite again

620
00:39:36,159 --> 00:39:38,800
making the scoop pick, took some
level of courage because I think Amen Thompson

621
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:44,000
or Sara Thompson reasonably could have gone
number three. I don't like, in

622
00:39:44,119 --> 00:39:45,480
my head, Scoot Henderson's gonna be
way better than those guys. I want

623
00:39:45,519 --> 00:39:49,480
to make that clear. But you're
a team that's actually married to the now.

624
00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:52,920
You don't see a trade on the
table that you want. Could they

625
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,679
have just moved down and said,
hey, we'll go down to five and

626
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:59,719
take a Sara Thompson or move down
to four for Amen, because the Rockets

627
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,840
I think would have wanted school or
done a trade with the Pelicans, like

628
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,920
and could we have gotten Zion?
We've gotten Ingram who knows? So I

629
00:40:06,039 --> 00:40:07,760
give them a lot of credit for
that, but it just never should have

630
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:12,360
been so tied to well, let's
see, like what kind of happens where

631
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,559
we land? And Yeah, I
think I think that's all fair. I

632
00:40:15,639 --> 00:40:19,880
think I'm probably giving them too much
credit for just kind of they're on the

633
00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:22,679
track that I like now, even
though it's sort of it's not quite by

634
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:27,599
accident, but they kind of just
ended up in this position without enough foresight.

635
00:40:28,039 --> 00:40:30,480
And I'm also probably I'm definitely dinging
them harder because I don't think you

636
00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:34,400
didn't just like for the matisse tyble
stuff where it's that's a you match that

637
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,960
deal. I want to make that
clear. But this is also a deal

638
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,880
that you could have negotiated with more
favorable terms, I fully believe before he

639
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:44,199
went out and got an offer that
now limited you. Yeah, right right

640
00:40:44,639 --> 00:40:47,599
now, they're I mean interesting team
and ultimately incomplete because the biggest move is

641
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,280
undone. So we should hit the
Jazz next, right, we should?

642
00:40:52,639 --> 00:40:55,360
All right, I know you want
to skipped them. I don't think anyone

643
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:59,239
that will just will conclude. I
don't think the jazz fans would want us

644
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:00,760
to skip him, because I m
you're gonna have good things to say about

645
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:06,519
them, Like I will start with
the draft Taylor Hendricks at nine, no

646
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,719
opinion there, Keyante George is sixteen, who also was really good price ends

647
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:15,719
about twenty eight. Yeah, got
John Collins for Rudy Gay and at twenty

648
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:20,800
twenty six second via the Grizzlies renegotiated
and extended Jordan Clarkson's deal. So now

649
00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:23,719
is essentially three years around fifty one
point nine million. I think it can

650
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,280
go up a little bit. I
don't know if you have that or not

651
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,840
signed omer you're at seven for two
years, about five and a half million,

652
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:36,199
with a partial guarantee on the second
I didn't really amount to anything,

653
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,440
but I do want to credit them
for a sneaky Paul Reid offer sheet that

654
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:44,639
had all these contingencies in it that
were clearly designed to make him less palatable

655
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:47,480
if he stayed with the Sixers,
and the Sixers then did match it three

656
00:41:47,559 --> 00:41:52,280
years like social media to run rampant
with like just the jokes we saw about

657
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:57,280
Joel j Yeah, that was so
great. I just you know, it's

658
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,039
kind of a dick move, honestly, because now I think like some of

659
00:42:00,119 --> 00:42:05,079
these offer sheets are going to start
getting even more calculated funitive for the retaining

660
00:42:05,159 --> 00:42:07,440
team. But it was I enjoyed
it. I respect it. It was

661
00:42:07,519 --> 00:42:13,000
fun. So that's I mean,
I think that's pretty much it for the

662
00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:17,039
Jazz. I didn't you've got it
here? Uh signed Joey Hazer and Johnny

663
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:23,519
Jusang to two way contracts a way
vernon carry. So I failed the Jazz

664
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:29,639
on this bread was great offseason,
right, Like I almost have no notes.

665
00:42:30,639 --> 00:42:31,920
I was gonna ask you, what
is there anything that you didn't like

666
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,639
about their off season? I think
the only thing that you can say is

667
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,280
they took on a lot of John
Collins and could that cap space if could

668
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:42,719
they have been more aggressive with that
because we're gonna compliment them for the Paul

669
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,519
Reid contract, but like they could
have done some fun stuff with bigger name

670
00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:49,360
free agents then like they would have
been an interesting Austin Reeves team. I

671
00:42:49,519 --> 00:42:52,480
just can't. I still believe in
John Collins, So I'm just all bored,

672
00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:55,239
Like that's the value for John Collins. There is sort of like a

673
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,599
weird vision for this team now in
the front court where we know Larry Marketing

674
00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:02,239
can play three, but you have
Taylor Hendrix and Walker Kessler and now John

675
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:07,880
Collins into that fold. So you
do have these four like not big,

676
00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:09,920
but you have these three forwards,
three guys who should all be playing a

677
00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:14,760
lot at power forwards to like Lowry
Market and is still going to be the

678
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:20,599
biggest of mismatches when he gets to
play the four offensively anyway, So throwing

679
00:43:20,639 --> 00:43:22,280
that into the folds a little bit
weird, and I will say, uh,

680
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,239
did you have it? You didn't
have any issue. I could see

681
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:28,960
some people like already not liking the
Jordan Clarkson renegotiation. Next time, I

682
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,320
thought that was smart. I think
it was. I bumped on it initially

683
00:43:32,679 --> 00:43:37,599
just because, like, I think
Clarkson's fairly overrated, but he kind of

684
00:43:37,639 --> 00:43:39,960
mat he matters to this team,
and it's not like they add, you

685
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:45,440
know, added some ridiculous number to
it, like and really it's structured in

686
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,440
a weird way, right, so
where he gets basically, you know,

687
00:43:47,679 --> 00:43:52,159
twenty three and a half million next
year, but then it drops to like

688
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:57,199
fourteen in the in the out years, right, So it's like it's whether

689
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,960
you like, whether you love Jordan
Clarkson or you think he's a little overrated

690
00:44:00,039 --> 00:44:02,519
like I do. That's that's just
like good business because because he's at fourteen

691
00:44:02,519 --> 00:44:06,639
million bucks a year, you know
next, not this season, but next

692
00:44:06,679 --> 00:44:10,280
and the one after, Like that's
totally fine. That's that's that's below starter

693
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:15,000
level money by a significant amount,
and he's at the very least like can

694
00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:16,880
start for you and it will score
points, like right, That's that's the

695
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:22,119
Jordan Clarkson experience. And he improved
slightly as a passer last year too,

696
00:44:22,159 --> 00:44:23,119
So to do that kind of like
as late. A lot of that I

697
00:44:23,159 --> 00:44:27,440
think was just the spacing and also
kind of the lack of other options.

698
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,119
But if you look so like the
projections of what he's gonna be worth in

699
00:44:30,159 --> 00:44:32,360
the salary cap in the final two
years are nine point nine percent at nine

700
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,760
point one percent, Yeah, it's
no right, And look, maybe it

701
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,719
makes him like, yeah, I
think that that was just a home run.

702
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,400
I think you look at this roster
and say, there's still kind of

703
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,400
light on cap slock wings, and
I really like Kyanta George, who I

704
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:51,559
knew very little about if like before
they got him, and maybe he kind

705
00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:54,159
of turns into your primary playmaker.
But you don't have that right now either,

706
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:58,519
And so now you've brought in some
other kind of just like, oh,

707
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,039
I'm like John cons a below average
passer for his position, and like,

708
00:45:02,159 --> 00:45:05,840
well, Walker Kessler, Larry Market
and make improvements there. What it

709
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,239
was, Taylor Hendrix looks like,
you know, he's not I didn't really

710
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,280
love Jars Walker, but he's the
better passer than Taylor Hendrix. But I

711
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:15,719
love Taylor Hendrix. I think this
was probably not the perfect offseason, and

712
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:17,599
so why I just give them a
flat a because there's a I think a

713
00:45:17,679 --> 00:45:22,119
lot of not a lot of,
but there are just some like functional voids

714
00:45:22,199 --> 00:45:24,840
that could they have looked at addressing
a little bit more cleanly. You're in

715
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,440
the infancy of a rebuild, and
I think the fact that they didn't kind

716
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,760
of try to accelerate the process or
enter this offseason thinking about need specifically,

717
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,239
like, yeah, some of these
players they need, like John Collins is

718
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,159
a pure value play. That's not
a need when you look at when you

719
00:45:38,199 --> 00:45:40,880
look at the roster. And so
I give them a lot of credit for

720
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:45,199
what they did, and just really
quickly on the Paul Reid contract. I

721
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:50,480
want to see players have so little
like agency and restricted free agency, the

722
00:45:50,559 --> 00:45:52,639
fact that these deals might be available
to them, and I I liked the

723
00:45:52,679 --> 00:45:55,039
idea of these gamesmanship. I would
just say I would have loved you have

724
00:45:55,079 --> 00:45:59,320
seen Utah been a little bit more
aggressive with like the John Collins trade feels

725
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:00,920
like it might have been available later
on as well too. It's like,

726
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,639
could you have just tried and waited
out your cap space a bit? Again?

727
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,840
I can't dig them like for anything
here they get an A. Yeah.

728
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:12,519
I think it's an A minus for
me. And you mentioned, you

729
00:46:12,599 --> 00:46:15,480
know, Collins is a deal.
You know, you got a couple more

730
00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:17,000
years on that, and it's a
number that's not great if he's gonna be

731
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:23,119
Atlanta John Collins from last year.
But I think it's possible and maybe even

732
00:46:23,199 --> 00:46:25,840
likely that the Jazz kind of look
around and it's like, what's the last

733
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,880
free agent we really signed? What
does this cap space even mean? Let's

734
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,559
fill it with John Collins. We've
got all these first if so, now

735
00:46:31,599 --> 00:46:36,440
we've got like a twenty five twenty
six million dollars salary that we can throw

736
00:46:36,519 --> 00:46:38,599
in there with first and if we
want to trade for somebody like, that's

737
00:46:38,679 --> 00:46:43,119
that's an option now, you know. I think that's the most favorable way

738
00:46:43,199 --> 00:46:46,679
to frame the Collins acquisition Alongside the
fact that it's just like they gave up

739
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:51,280
nothing to get to get him.
So yeah, it's an a minus.

740
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:52,840
We didn't even talk about Hendrick,
so I know you love I like him

741
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,760
a lot, just like I cannot
wait to see him in Kessler and Market

742
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,679
and play it again. Like I
think that's the front cord. And I

743
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,800
think also the Hendricks Collins marketing combination
is interesting because I think it gives you

744
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:07,280
a way to navigate the defensive minutes
while also being extremely versatile on offense,

745
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,920
like that you could play five out
with those three. And also you made

746
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:14,280
a good point about Collins, there's
more risk. This is not what Detroit

747
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:19,599
did. Where a spoiler alert last
Jackson, we did the Detroit Pistons look

748
00:47:19,599 --> 00:47:22,760
Ahead, which will go live I
think next week. Sometime. Was shocked

749
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:27,320
at how much we love the Pistons
offseason. We've had some YouTube commenters that

750
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,320
were shocked as well. I was
like, apparently we said some bad things

751
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,920
about them last year, but they
did sign Marvin Bagley for three guaranteed years,

752
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,559
so they deserved it. I could
say some bad things about that right

753
00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:40,639
now, I'd love to, but
like it didn't roll over their flexibility per

754
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,559
se because John Collins, like that
deal goes out for three more years,

755
00:47:44,559 --> 00:47:45,760
and like that's the risk. And
if you don't love it, especially when

756
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,519
you have Hendrix and Kesler marketing,
I get it. But just from a

757
00:47:49,559 --> 00:47:52,000
pure value play of what John Collins
was two years ago, and we've just

758
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,320
when's the last time we saw someone
who's good, even if he didn't think

759
00:47:55,320 --> 00:48:00,320
he was a fringe All star where
his team watched him be good in a

760
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:01,719
certain amount of way and then just
kept saying like, no, we're going

761
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:06,000
to continue to take away from him, make his life harder, like repeatably,

762
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,280
Yeah, no, that just tanked
his value. And now that you

763
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:13,000
get get him for Rudy Gay in
a future second. So congratulations, Jazz.

764
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,079
That's gonna do it for this division, right, unless we forgot a

765
00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:17,079
team. We got the alphabet,
right, but do we get all the

766
00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:20,800
teams? Yeah, we got all
five. Please take a job by us.

767
00:48:21,559 --> 00:48:22,960
I'll take us out if you're ready
to call it on this one.

768
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:27,079
As Dan said at the top,
and you should probably just rewind and listen

769
00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:30,199
to it because he's much more smoother
at it, much more smoother Jesus Christ.

770
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:38,159
Although also, although I can't speak
anyway, Thank you for listening,

771
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,679
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772
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:45,360
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773
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774
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,639
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775
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776
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,280
us. It makes us feel good
personally, and you know, it feels

777
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:01,880
more successful, and we will do
this more and do it better, you

778
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:06,639
know, because we're motivated by your
approval. This is I think that's pretty

779
00:49:06,639 --> 00:49:08,920
cool. Uh And and as always, we close with a shout out to

780
00:49:09,039 --> 00:49:12,440
the one and only Frank Keena and
an apology to Jared