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Those wheels are squeaking a bit grips. They could sell him a little oil.

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You twisted all muster. I've decided
to protect myself ever since I was

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attacked in my office by an unidentified
as seilant four Finger Discount dude, Welcome

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to four Finger Discount. I am
Dana not joined by a guy this week.

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Although as sad as that is,
I am very excited because today I

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am going to be discussing one of
my favorite episodes of The Simpsons of all

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time. It is who shot Mister
Burns? Past one and two? And

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I thought, since guys not here, who better to discuss the most notorious

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crime in the history of Springfield than
those lovely gentlemen from I could Murder a

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podcast, one of the UK's most
popular true crime podcast. Now, firstly,

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if I sound tired during this episode, it's because when I recorded this

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it was about five am or six
am. I can't quite remember the actual

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time. All I know is that
when I looked at the window, the

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sun still wasn't up, and someone's
barely up by the time we finished.

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So it was pretty exhausting, but
it was a hell of a good time,

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a lot of fun. Ben and
Tom are huge Simpsons fans. Unfortunately,

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producer Dan didn't join us, since
I've heard he didn't really watch the

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Simpsons as a kid. There's always
one. Seriously, though you're kind of

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really enjoyed this review, we do
a deep dive on the episode itself,

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covering all the clues that were put
in there, as well as just the

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overall hype and build up to finding
out just who shot mister Burns and then

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we found out it was the baby. Don't forget though. If you're a

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fan of true crime, check out
I could Murder a podcast at icmap dot

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co dot uk or anyway you find
your podcast would be Spotify, iTunes,

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whoever you funny podcasts, you can
check them out I could Murder a podcast.

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for now, sit back and enjoy
my chat with Ben and Tom from Ark

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Commeda a podcast as we review who
shot mister Burns. He produced. Dan

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didn't have much of a childhood and
doesn't really know much about the Simpsons.

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Yeah, he didn't watch the Disney
A tour as a kid and Simpsons,

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and yeah, he seemed to be
quite outdoors kid, I think. But

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how are we doing anyway, guys? So you know your podcast seems to

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be kicking all sorts of goals at
the moment. Yeah, no, it's

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we're doing really well. We're doing
really well. We're just in the middle

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of a series nine at the moment, but we've been kind of all over

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the world with it in terms of
the different cases we've covered. We spent

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some time in New Zealand. I
don't know if that's a good thing or

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a bad thing. And yeah,
no, it's going really well. We

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can't help as soon as we first
started speaking with you. We're so happy

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to actually finally make this happen because
it's being on the agenda for what feels

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like a couple of years, and
we really appreciate you being up at god

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knows what hour to have this call
of us. I mean, six o'clock

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is much better last week it was
gonna end up being five o'clock and then

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we changed the time to a seven
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move their clocks back or forwards or
something, and then it became six o'clock

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and I was like, I'm happy
with this. It'll work. It'll work.

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We're doing it now, so I'm
more happy. But yeah, so

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your podcast, what made you guys
want to start your podcast? Like,

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where did your passion for podcasting begin? Well back in the day, big

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fan of Ricky Gervais and all their
podcasts early day stuff, were listening to

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that all the time. In regards
to what started our own one off was

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basically it was Lockdown. We were
we bought VR headsets, thought we'll do

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a VR headset podcast, which just
copying someone else's idea basically, and then

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we realized we were getting travel sick
from playing the games and we work couldn't

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really handle it. So then I
made a pun name, and we thought

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that's quite a good pun name,
and then we kind of forced the podcast

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that of the name, So the
name came first before the podcast really and

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then yeah, we just kind of
did a little hobby with it and then

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stuck to it, produced it down
and came on board and it became a

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lot more of an official operation.
It's happened with us as well, where

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sometimes we just come up with a
podcast now and we go but the name

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is too good to not do a
podcast now, you kind of have to

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do it. Yes, definitely.
I mean with ours, it's weird.

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We came up with our name,
we released our first episode. Then a

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week later there was a thing called
like a Murder a Cocktail and it was

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a true crime podcast, but it
was a week after ours, So I

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feel like we were just just ahead
of that one. Yeah, or you

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guys are kind of like a Bugs
Life to Ants, where Ants thought,

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oh shit, we're gonna make this
great movie, and then they saw Disney

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doing the same thing and they went, oh no, and Disney at least

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it a month earlier, and I
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Ants the other day. It's I
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for it, but I'm happy to
be considered the Bugs Life in that camp.

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I think I think we're doing quite
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saw Ants, and I still to
this day i've never seen Ants. I

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just remember I have this fun memory
of going to the movie to watch The

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Bugs Life of my family and for
some reason, whenever used to see the

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commercials for Ants. I thought that
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and her Bug's life was so colorful. I was. I was commenting

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on to you guys before we were
on the air, like your cameras and

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your setup just looks so fancy where
I'm so jealous. So I'm gonna be

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stealing your idea and getting your cameras. Love that, love that. No,

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I like trying to figure out everything
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This is it? Is it?
Yeah? This is just nineties.

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So do you guys have Tasos?
Did you have Tasos and POGs POGs?

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Yeah, POGs Idepox Tower back in
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a at the Ants version of Captain
cave Man, isn't he? And the

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Bugs Life? Yeah that's true.
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But how important do you think the
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podcast when it comes to marketing and
things like that. So we've based on

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the subject matter of our of our
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to master. We have a really
we're really lucky to have quite a loyal

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following, but in terms of actually
getting content out there and getting pushed in

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the algorithm, because we literally have
murder in our title as well, we

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tried rebranding to ICMAP. I don't
know, Tom, You're more of an

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expert when it comes to those things, but it's it's difficult to get new

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eyes on the product, even though
we're super happy once the eyes eventually do

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land. Yeah, we're finding outreach
to be pretty problematic sometimes. Yeah,

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I think with ours, especially if
you look at the real trennels that are

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thriving, it's people that get straight
to the point that don't do any of

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the waffle at the beginning and they
and sometimes it's people doing makeup whilst talking

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about true crime, whereas ours,
we do a lot of waffle. Got

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a lot of tangents, and it
seems to be our audience are either you

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know, we are a very keen
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a bit marlmighty in some aspects.
I think that's a good thing though,

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because I found we've been doing this
podcast for nine years now and a lot

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of the time people sort of say
at the start, I mean, we

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aren't going to get to the Firewex
factory, you know, too much waffling

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on, sort of talking about your
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But nine years on I found our
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go. We actually just kind of
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opposed to just the Simpsons. So
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brand, establish what you are.
You'll get your fans and the fans will

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love you for it. And I
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you can brands off and do other
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because you're doing it. Yeah.
Absolutely, I accidentally got addicted to Do

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you remember the TV series Lost?
That's another one of those shows where I

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still don't know how it ends.
I hear the ending is terrible, but

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I see it on Disney Plus and
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this one day. I never got
caught up in the in the hooplwer of

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it all, but I still I'm
gonna watch it one day. Yeah.

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They yeah, they kind of not
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it off a cliff slightly towards the
end. But I was doing some renovations.

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And I'm not a big podcast like
an audio podcast person at all.

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I really like visual things. But
I accidentally got addicted to a podcast entirely

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based on loss that was literally all
in down to the two guys that were

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present it. Because I had already
seen the show. I already knew what

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was going to happen, but it
was was so invested in what they had

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to say, their opinions, their
personalities. And yeah, it was called

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Getting Lost, and you get lost
in the podcast. It's quite literally,

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so yeah, that side of things
is super fun. Well where did your

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love for the Simpsons begin? We'll
start with you. Then. I want

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to say I was about seven or
eight years old, which would take it

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back to sort of mid nineties.
It was it became like a religious thing

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for me and my dad and my
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unless we were moving the clocks about. Actually, I think shows stayed

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the same, didn't they, even
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bit stupid of me, But it
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and Hercules Legendary Adventures. And sometimes
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two episodes on the Trot, So
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and my brother's sort of thing.
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for like what ten years, fifteen
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it now as an adult, even
the first theme tune, all sorts of

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emotions came back that I was not
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So yeah, still got a real
big love for the show. And

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it's amazing how much of it holds
weight still today. Yeah, the same

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as Ben really. But a little
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and there's a kid that I wasn't
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kind of kid when you play games, and we used to play pretending to

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be earth wem Gym and I would
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mad scientist earth wem Gym, which
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really angered me. And one day
he was talking to me, and I

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didn't really listen, or I must
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he was saying, but I didn't
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on TV. I thought he was
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and then he was telling me all
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his neighbors had done, and I
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like, that's just such a lie. None of this happened. And then

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eventually I watched the show and I
was like, oh, now it will

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make sense. And then yeah,
it's same with Ben, like watching it

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on Sky Domino's Pizza had given you
a fresh slice of family life in thirty

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minutes. I just remember all the
adverts for it as well. And now

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even when I like watch back and
binge it like all, I find myself

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memorizing lines and know what the lines
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them like a handful of times when
I was a lot younger, and repeats,

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but they really do stick with you, the lines. And I've got

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a creepy little collection as well in
the back or Simpson figures if you can

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see them clearly. But I've got
a little wall collection of going on with

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Simpson's characters. I've got you guys
minimized or small so I can't quite make

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it out, but they're those words
of Springfield figures. They're really good ones

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in like two thousand and Yeah,
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and I've got some Treehouse of Horror
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then I've got Tom Petty one because
I like Tom Petty and he was an

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anniversary thing. Perfect. Yeah.
I remember when of those Words of Springfields

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came out. Mom was like,
I'm not paying twenty five dollars, be

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tore, you just not getting them. And I look back now and I

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think, man, I wish I
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fifty dollars each of them in there
packets still now, if not more.

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But they're just so great. I
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them since, and I'm just wish
i'd re released them. They're all that

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re rereleasing stuff now, so I
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it. Yeah, definitely. I
mean, yeah, I mind New habit

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is getting drunk and then go on
a eBay forgetting what I've ordered from it

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and then just getting a package and
then my wife being like, well,

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why he's just putting them in the
box and I'm not going to have them

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all out. Originally, I was
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and Homer's brother herd and I was
like, because they're just cool and a

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bit like and then suddenly I was
buying one. So I don't really like

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that one, but I need it, so I was just going to buy

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it. Yeah, I'm yeah,
yeah, it's very addictive. I've got

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two stories. So there's one guy
in Australia here selling the complete collection that

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the playsets and all the locations in
a giant tub, none of them opened

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for fifteen hundred US. I saw
at Australian dollars, which is about seven

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hundred and fifty pound, So it's
not that much money really when you think

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it's the entire collection. And my
wife was just like, you don't need

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it, and I was like,
eh, you're right, I don't need

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it. And then now we look
back and think if only. But the

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big one for me is, I've
said it on the podcast before. You

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know the movie display, the big
life size Simpsons that you've seen on the

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couch lot that the cinema display for
the movie Simpsons movie you've ever seen those?

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Yeah, yeah, I've got the
bar here. So the barn was

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about five foot tall. The Homer
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Anyway, this guy in Adelaide,
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where I live. He was going
to sell it to me for eight hundred

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Australian dollars, was about four hundred
pound and Nicola and my wife was going

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no where to put it, It's
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like, oh yeah, whatever,
won't do it. And one sold in

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Australia for twenty five thousand dollars recently
and I never let her forget it.

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Wow. Wow, So if you
see this stuff by it, guys definitely

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worth it. I was about to
brag about Tom. Do you remember the

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life size cut out of Moses Lack
that my brother got me? Yeah?

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Yeah, that was the first background
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home, and we probably stopped watching
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then all of a sudden, my
twenty first birthday, my brother arrives with

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the biggest flat package I've ever seen, which, again out of contact,

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sounds awful, and it was a
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and then very quickly made its way
to Tom's house. And now I

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just have the only piece of Simpson's
memorabilia I've got is a little mo put

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your mug on my mug, which
I'm very fond of. Short and simple.

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It's good though, Yeah, so
you need sometimes I've actually, speaking

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of this episode, I've got the
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eleven in the States, the four
cups. I couldn't find them something.

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I think that I cleaned up the
studio recently. I think I packed him

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in the box. But yeah,
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to eleven back in like nineteen only
five or ninety six, whenever this episode

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was. But yeah, wow,
what are your memories of the of this

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episode, because I remember the hype
of this one being huge in the school

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yard when I was a kid,
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I don't know how you guys are. But when this episode came out,

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I was right in the peak sort
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all about it, and there was
just there was so much hype for this

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episode. Was it was a much
hype in the UK for it. I

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can't really remember people chatting about it
that much. I mean I remember watching

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it when it came out and being
like gripped by it. Simpsons is odd.

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I think there has a cool,
massive audience over here, but I

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don't remember much conversations between friends and
being like, I think it's just it

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was a given to everyone watched The
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but it wasn't the thing that you
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been watching it back this time around, I was like, it's so good.

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There's so many good jokes do it
as well, which I've forgotten about.

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You kind of forget about the little
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it's just so good. They're right
in. At this stage of the Simpsons,

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I think is like top tier.
Do you find even though it's available

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on Disney Plus now, that you
even go back and watch the show anymore?

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Because when I grew up, we
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day. And even though I do
a podcast on The Simpsons now, maybe

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because it feels kind of like work, but I very rarely just put on

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The Simpsons just to have it on
the background anymore. And that used to

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be my life. The Simpsons were
just always on. I'm kind of introducing

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three and five now, so I'm kind

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of introducing them to the Simpsons.
But I find it really watch the show

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as much as I should anymore.
How about you, guys. So I

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watched it for the first time in
a row, so we're just a few

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months younger than you, and I
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maybe twenty years last week in prep
for tonight. Years. Yeah, which

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is scary, but as Tom said, it totally held It totally holds up

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some of the Mister Burns. I'm
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makes a comment I couldn't believe it
came out of his mouth, which I

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would have heard twenty years ago,
but I didn't know what he was I

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should have probably known what he was
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I think for us, it's similar
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to just binge true crime series on
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feels like work, and so if
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a break from that. I'll put
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Who Shot Mister Burns one and two, I left it on and had seven

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or eight episodes afterwards where it was
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to just it brings back a lot
of memories, but also you're watching it

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from a completely different perspective now,
which is fantastic. I've had a big

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binge on nostalgic stuff, and like
Simpsons, I did like when I got

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the Disney Plus start watching all of
that. I find what Simpsons is one

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of my go to still like.
I think Disney Plus was a game changer

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in terms of having it available,
But like Ben true crime stuff, I

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find it like it does feel worky
Ben saying that you said you put quite

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a few horrifying things on to get
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That's true. But I also did
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Improvement. I had a big kind
of nostalgia hype recently. Boy Mets World

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is probably nearly counselorable now after the
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of Home Improvement. It's one of
those shows I feel like it never gets

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enough love. I was a kid
loved Home Improvement, but none of my

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friends liked it, and I was
like, I love this show. And

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when it came on Disney Plus,
I I was so happy. Yeah,

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I love Home Improvement, and I
think same with Boy Meants World. I

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think Boymans World Go is a bit
underappreciated, and I do think even though

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some of the storyline are just like
insane, there's still a good core message

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on most of the episodes. Mister
Phoenie still has some good things to say.

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think that's really it's actually really funny, and there's loads of adult jokes in

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that, which I didn't get until
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I feel like I keep the Simpsons
in my life more so now through

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memes and like our social media,
the Simpsons just lives on through gifts and

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just memes, meme pages as opposed
actually going and watching it. Now it's

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just like that's the new life the
Simpsons has. Now it's in our lives

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every day, but we use it
in mean form. There's so much of

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it on our feed mainly well,
I think it's because we're connected with each

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other, but we see so many
of yours absolutely blow up on Facebook and

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X. But then also now because
we're engaging with them, there's so many

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other I think our Facebook is instead
of true crime, it's it's mainly the

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feed is Simpsons memes, which is
great, but there's yeah, there's there's

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so many of We got so many
people there they say I liked one of

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your photos. Now all I see
is Simpsons memes. Couldn't be the case.

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It's crazy how the algorithm works,
though, because you could put a

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post out and it might only reach
three four hundred thousand people, and I

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put out a photo that's not that
different and it's like, oh hey,

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ten million. Okay. Then just
today Facebook just decided to boost this post.

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Okay, Facebook is murder. Facebook
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what's going on and where. And
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terms of us having the word murder
in most of our things, that doesn't

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help. Yeah, it certainly wouldn't. I wouldn't assume so no, but

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I'll give you that though. I
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she's from Boston, Lincolnshire, she
said that I told her the name

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of your podcast, and she just
packed up laughing. She's like, great

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title. Love that love that.
She's like, I can murder a podcast,

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me, I can murder a podcast
me. She says, Yeah.

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A super proud moment was when if
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First thing was pint, second thing
was curry, and we eventually made

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it to the third thing, which
we're super happy about. So we got

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among the beers and the curry,
which is yeah, it's a good Yeah,

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it's three staples of life, right
podcast, beer curry. But do

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you guys know about all the height
that was going into this episode? In

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the States, they called it the
one eight hundred Collect Mystery sweep Steaks since

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the Mystery sweep Stakes contest which I
mentioned earlier. The cups for that I

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own, but basically it was one
hundred Collect we're trying to steal some customers

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from I think it was like at
and T anyway, like, so basically

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one eight hundred Collect Call had a
competition that if you use their service,

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you would go into a competition and
try and guess who the murderer was.

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And if you guessed the right person
and they were the first and you were

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the first one to be discovered that
guess the right person, you would be

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drawn into The Simpsons. And apparently
it was just a complete shammuzzle because for

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some reason we look back now and
you think that's an awesome prize. But

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people weren't all that interested in being
drawn into the Simpsons in like nineteen ninety

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five. But they went through a
thousand entries and they found that nobody guessed

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Maggie. And I think it was
David Murkin that one of the producers at

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the time said, look, we've
got to keep going until we can find

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that's to guess the correct person.
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a competition in those days that you
must find a winner in the first thousand

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entries, and because nobody guessed Maggie, that had to just randomly pick somebody

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and it was some woman who doesn't
even watch the Simpsons. So she took

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a non disclosed cash amount as opposed
to being drawn into the Simpsons. Wow

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wow, Because when Tom was mentioning
that it wasn't really big news over here

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on the school grounds, and I
remember him rightly that they made numerous trailers

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about these episodes, particularly the second
one, because I'm sure I remember seeing

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the trailers, like teaser trailers around
who did it? I remember seeing those

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in the UK, but I could
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promo going into it, but I
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as well, they had a lot
of time to sort of boost it and

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promote it as well. Maybe,
but I remember being a huge deal here

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in Australia. I do remember.
It wasn't spoiled for me, thankfully.

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But I've done research and I've been
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than me that one of the more
famous radio DJs at the time spoiled it

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because we were behind in getting things
from the States, spoiled on the radio

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and lost his job because it was
that big of a deal. Wow,

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that's terrible. So I remember the
last time that happened in Australia, a

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radio dj, his job was spoiling. Something was spoiling the ending to well

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spoiling. I won't even say it
on the podcast, but the big death

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in Harry Potter, No, the
big one, the really important one,

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because they got the book that morning
and just told him what happened at the

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end on the radio that day.
And yeah, they would ever hurt again,

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but they could be dead. You
could be doing a podcast on them

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eventually. Wow, that's crazy.
Well, I mean even on the rewatch

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here, I had such a keen
eye out for what's Maggie up to?

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What's she doing? And from the
from the first episode, it's really she's

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she's acting pretty Maggie. There are
clues, though, did you notice the

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clues? I kept my eye.
I think I got one of them.

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Possibly, But yeah, what was
that? What do you say? It

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was bart Well Bart on the second. It was Bart's chalkboard on the second.

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And then there was also a photo
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scene where Homer was losing his mind. I believe could be wrong. There

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was a photo that looked like it
was bolded up slightly. Well, the

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big one that they put in there
that no one was paying attention to.

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It was just a clock, but
all the clocks were set to three pm

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at the time at the end of
the episode, and the clue was that

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at three pm. Smither says,
I never miss Pardon My Zinger, which

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airs at three pm, and he
left the town meeting early to go watch

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Pardon My Zinger, so he wasn't
there when birds got shot. But of

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course when I was a kid,
it was either going to be Smithers or

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it was Homer. That was just
because you don't think logically when your kid,

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it's like, it's going to be
the obvious one. And I remember

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when my sister I were first watching
this, will sit there with a little

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notepad and we had our predictions.
My sister guests home and I guess Smithers

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and I was Adam, it was
going to Bess Smithers. And I do

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remember when I found out it was
Maggie. I was really deflated as a

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kid. Were you guys disappointed with
the result when you I'll look back now

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and just laugh because it's just ridiculous, But at the time, I remember

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thinking that was so silly. I
guess, yeah, I know what you

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mean. I think the bit that
watching it back now with fresh eyes and

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knowing like my lingers like, oh, when earlier in the episode, the

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first episode, mister Burns was still
condy from a baby, that bit really

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was like, oh, that's a
precursor in terms of what's going on as

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well. But then yeah, I
think, I guess the only reason that

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it makes sense for Maggie is they
can get away of not punishing her and

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not having her like because if they
have any of their other characters doing it,

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it's going to have to have a
bit more of a bit more of

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a result that or it could be
a freaway character. You don't want one

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of your favorite characters going to prison
for murder. You don't want that.

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I was super worried for Moe at
one point. Yeah, or Willy didn't

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want Willie in trouble. Yeah,
yeah, no. But the show runners

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that they weren't running the show in
season six, but they took over in

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seven and eight. Bill Locally and
Josh Weinstein. They wanted Barnie, and

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originally they were like pushing for Banne. It's got to be Barnie. He's

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got to be Barnie and James L. Brooks and make Granny one. Now,

406
00:23:41.240 --> 00:23:42.119
it's gonna be one of the Simpsons. It'll be funnier that way,

407
00:23:42.559 --> 00:23:45.000
Like how are we gonna work around
this? And they come up with the

408
00:23:45.039 --> 00:23:48.319
idea of Maggie and even they agree
they're back now and go it was the

409
00:23:48.359 --> 00:23:52.480
right option because then we wouldn't have
had Barnie. Okay, you know,

410
00:23:52.680 --> 00:23:56.000
so it was it was the logical
choice because you needed a character who you

411
00:23:56.000 --> 00:23:57.440
can just go, nah, we're
not going to arrest her. She's just

412
00:23:57.440 --> 00:24:00.480
a baby, and that's it.
You can just move on. But I

413
00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:04.000
do like the whole idea of just
the cliffhanger, because I've never done it

414
00:24:04.039 --> 00:24:07.920
since. I think that's just what
built it up so much, the fact

415
00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:10.319
that it was just big, huge
cliffhanger and it was a take off of

416
00:24:10.680 --> 00:24:12.839
I'm sure you guys heard of the
Dallas who shot Jr? Story from the

417
00:24:12.880 --> 00:24:15.480
eighties in America. Yeah, yeah, so it was a take off of

418
00:24:15.519 --> 00:24:18.640
that, and clearly it worked.
Yeah, so it was I think that

419
00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:22.920
did a really good job. Have
you ever seen the actual episode, not

420
00:24:22.920 --> 00:24:25.400
the episode, but just the scene
of who shot Jr? And the big

421
00:24:25.440 --> 00:24:27.359
reveal and all that kind of stuff. I watched it last night for the

422
00:24:27.359 --> 00:24:30.599
first time. It's no, I
haven't. It is so nineteen eighty and

423
00:24:30.680 --> 00:24:33.359
corny, but apparently it's like one
of the most watched TV shows of all

424
00:24:33.400 --> 00:24:37.759
time. The other thing I say
about the Barney thing you just mentioned,

425
00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:40.720
I listened to the podcast you did
with Brendan and like, you kind of

426
00:24:40.720 --> 00:24:44.480
put Simpsons in a new light for
me about talking about Homer being a terrible

427
00:24:44.559 --> 00:24:48.799
dad and being an alcoholic and stuff, and like, do you think Barney

428
00:24:48.200 --> 00:24:51.640
is kind of promoting that kind of
life as well? And in terms of

429
00:24:51.680 --> 00:24:55.000
like so it kind of like makes
me look at I've looking at Simpson's characters

430
00:24:55.079 --> 00:24:59.119
a bit more of a serious adult
level now because of you guys talking about

431
00:24:59.119 --> 00:25:02.519
it. We'll see. The thing
is, when I was, you know,

432
00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:06.319
the Golden Year episodes, Homer was
held accountable for his actions, right.

433
00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:08.279
I think that my grant with the
later seasons is that Homer's just a

434
00:25:08.319 --> 00:25:11.880
dick to everybody, and very rarely
is he held a cannibal. It's just,

435
00:25:11.960 --> 00:25:15.920
oh, silly Homer, that's just
Homer's ways, and mar just forgives

436
00:25:15.960 --> 00:25:19.160
him because the story needs her to. And I think that's the stuff that

437
00:25:19.519 --> 00:25:22.400
annoys me. In the later episodes
just feels like lazy writing, or at

438
00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:26.599
least back in the older episodes,
it feels like when he did something wrong,

439
00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:29.880
it was never that heinous, and
he always by the end of it

440
00:25:29.920 --> 00:25:32.279
sort of went, oh, you
know what I screwed up? You know

441
00:25:32.839 --> 00:25:37.200
my bad were in the later what
to season eighteen, now it's just as

442
00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:38.799
they call it, jerk ass home
and just Homer just being a dick for

443
00:25:38.839 --> 00:25:41.279
it, almost like he became Peter
Griffin to an extent. I think the

444
00:25:41.319 --> 00:25:45.720
family guy sort of popularity took over
the Simpsons a little bit. Yeah,

445
00:25:45.759 --> 00:25:47.680
okay, that makes sense. Yeah, I don't. I don't mean I

446
00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:51.599
found it very hard to watch recent
Simpsons. I can only binge to a

447
00:25:51.640 --> 00:25:53.960
certain point, and then I kind
of find myself stopping and going back to

448
00:25:53.960 --> 00:25:56.759
the beginning rather than carrying on.
Well, also, drop off for you,

449
00:25:56.839 --> 00:26:00.039
many say season ten was when a
lot of people dropped off. I

450
00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:04.400
remember dropping off about season fifteen.
I remember one episode I can't remember.

451
00:26:04.519 --> 00:26:07.559
You can't tell you what series it
was. I think as the last good

452
00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:12.119
one I remember was when Seymour's in
Okay a bag for balls and he says

453
00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:15.240
about the Hampstead chewing for his ball
sack, and I think that's the last

454
00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:18.279
one I remember being quite good.
What about you, Ben, what was

455
00:26:18.319 --> 00:26:22.640
your job off? Can you remember
it wasn't that we just decided to stop

456
00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:26.000
watching the show. We just sort
of happened organically. Yeah. Yeah,

457
00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:29.559
so I'm guessing I couldn't give you
the series, but I can give you

458
00:26:29.599 --> 00:26:33.920
the year. Would have been kind
of around fifteen sixteen years old, So

459
00:26:33.079 --> 00:26:40.920
what the early two thousands, I
guess. But then, yeah, going

460
00:26:40.960 --> 00:26:45.519
back to I've not actually seen I've
seen a lot of criticism of recent series

461
00:26:45.559 --> 00:26:51.799
online. I haven't watched it,
but I can. I've I can understand

462
00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:53.960
what they've done with Homer. Whereas
the episodes I watched as a kid,

463
00:26:55.039 --> 00:26:57.200
I learned a lot from home as
mistakes, from Bart's mistakes, from the

464
00:26:57.279 --> 00:27:00.400
things they did wrong, and that
was a good way to learn about life.

465
00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:04.799
I mean, even some of the
more when you asked us to sort

466
00:27:04.839 --> 00:27:08.200
of talk about our marathon, I've
gone for ones that actually emotionally kind of

467
00:27:08.200 --> 00:27:12.359
resonated with me at the time as
well, because although old Homer was an

468
00:27:12.359 --> 00:27:17.480
idiot, he kind of ultimately ended
up doing the right thing at the end

469
00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:21.319
of the day, although he did
three or four bad things, really wrong

470
00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:25.599
things in the build up to that. Ultimately you learn your lesson. But

471
00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:29.920
yeah, I can't remember the specific
cut off point unfortunately, but I'm definitely

472
00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:33.200
after jumping back in ready to binge
again. So we'll see how far I

473
00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:37.279
go. It's interesting that you brought
up how the Simpsons sort of influenced how

474
00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:38.720
we sort of went about our lives. I feel like now with kids,

475
00:27:38.720 --> 00:27:41.839
I've got two, like I said, three in a five year old,

476
00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:45.000
it's bluey for them, and they're
only seven minute episodes. But I think

477
00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:48.160
Australians or it helps they can relate
to it in that aspect because they were

478
00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:52.640
Australian kids. But I watch it
now and I go, this is how

479
00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:56.680
I felt when I watched The Simpsons, and they sort of quotes from the

480
00:27:56.720 --> 00:28:00.079
show they bring into their real life
and it's actually teaching them nice messages.

481
00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:03.680
And I think this is always It's
almost like a modern day Simpsons to an

482
00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:06.319
extent. Bluey the kids are obsessed
with it. They all talk about it,

483
00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:07.599
they all love their old quoting.
I'm like, Bluey has become the

484
00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:11.759
new Simpsons. It's crazy. But
can you watch Bluey and enjoy it?

485
00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:15.920
Bluey is fantastic, mate, if
you it's honestly, I think as a

486
00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:21.079
parent you appreciate it more. But
I watch that show and go, holy

487
00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:23.440
shit, this is literally my life
and this is just And I think that

488
00:28:23.480 --> 00:28:26.920
was the appeal of the Simpsons was
they appeal to just the normal families.

489
00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:30.000
You watch it and go, this
is just us in animated form. And

490
00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:33.279
that's what Bluey is like. Granted
I'm Australian, so a lot of it,

491
00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:36.160
a lot of it. I watch
it, I go, that's that's

492
00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:38.440
us. That's Aussi's I think that's
where it relates to its aspect. But

493
00:28:38.799 --> 00:28:41.279
there's a lot of it where you
know, there's an episode of Blue.

494
00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:45.240
I won't get too much on Blue, but there is one where it's about

495
00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:48.599
a kid who is a bit further
behind in a blooey. She doesn't walk,

496
00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:51.319
she shuffles her bum on the floor
and it's like, haha, funny.

497
00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:52.920
But then they show the side of
the parent who when she goes to

498
00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:56.440
mother's group and all her kids are
the other kids are walking around in hers

499
00:28:56.519 --> 00:28:59.599
isn't she feels like she's failing as
a mother. So they bring in that

500
00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:02.079
side of it. Whether adults can
watch the show and relate to it as

501
00:29:02.119 --> 00:29:04.519
well, so it's actually like the
people are bluey. It's just to show

502
00:29:04.519 --> 00:29:07.720
the kids watch but there's actually a
great show if you give it a chance.

503
00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:14.200
Yeah. I ended up about six
months ago, so I'm Another character

504
00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:17.880
that I'm really fond of is Santa's
Little Helper. I've got three greyhounds over

505
00:29:17.920 --> 00:29:22.279
here, and six months ago we
got a puppy and red online that Blue

506
00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:25.880
is a great show to put on
for dogs because apparently the colors are the

507
00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:30.079
color palette is I could be again
wrong here, but is a color that

508
00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:33.640
dogs can actually slightly distinguish, so
we put it on and all three of

509
00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:37.400
them staring at the TV could be
the audio as well. But apparently there's

510
00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:41.400
something to do with the color choices
that they have and I'm colorblind, so

511
00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:45.079
awful kind of a metric for you, But yeah, they were hooked.

512
00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:48.720
They were all watching the TV and
I thought it wasn't a half bad show.

513
00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:52.480
That's just the same. And the
Simpsons they chose yellows that when you're

514
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:56.039
flicking through all the stations, you'd
stop on yelly because yellows stood out it

515
00:29:56.079 --> 00:29:59.480
wasn't normal. Yeah that makes sense. Yeah, anyway, what were your

516
00:29:59.480 --> 00:30:02.680
favorite moment from who shot mister Burns
before we skimmed through the ad the episode?

517
00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:07.519
Any stand up moments for you?
The Burns comment, It's really stuck

518
00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:11.519
with me because I was actually shocked
that he said it when he makes a

519
00:30:11.559 --> 00:30:17.720
comment about his his slanted let me, I actually made a note of exactly

520
00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:19.920
how he said it. So first
he has Burn's construction code building a better

521
00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:27.599
tomorrow for him in block capitals,
and then he's still annoying Smithers. Smithers

522
00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:33.160
when he compares his slant drilling company
to a man about to do something when

523
00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:36.599
he says, this is almost sexual, isn't it? And Smither's just looks

524
00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:40.079
so uncomfortable, which was really shocked
that they came out of Burns's mouth.

525
00:30:40.119 --> 00:30:44.240
But there's so many jokes at Smither's
expensive you wouldn't get away with it now

526
00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:48.400
on television, but you know,
in nineteen ninety five hours hilarious, it

527
00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:52.000
was so good, so good,
and the amount of times that Burns was

528
00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:56.559
either unwilling or unable to address Homer
by his full name or knew who he

529
00:30:56.720 --> 00:31:03.240
was. And the chocolate sequences amazing, the chocolate gift and so so good.

530
00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:06.039
I remember that being using the promos
a lot when Homer does when he

531
00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:07.799
he swears, you don't hear it, but when he swears that was the

532
00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:11.240
big selling point in the trailers for
the episode. Yeah, the church bells.

533
00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:17.000
Yeah, yeah, what about you? Tom? What's what's that for

534
00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:18.079
you? What were your favorite moments? So any moments where you're watching it

535
00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:21.960
going oh shit, I completely forgot
about that. That's great. Yeah,

536
00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:25.640
even the school like kind of hitting
oil. I always enjoy when a skinner's

537
00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:29.680
getting getting near full as well,
and then even when he's hearing everyone's lousy

538
00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:33.920
requests for what they want for the
for the money, and then when Smithers

539
00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:36.839
does the Tannoy voice and he guess, we haven't got a tannoy and then

540
00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:41.079
and then it Burns comes in and
yeah, Burns stressed up in that way.

541
00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:42.680
Yeah, it's it's I don't know, I just had so many easing,

542
00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:47.759
isn't it in comparison to what I
remembered? And I think probably like

543
00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:51.119
yeah, comparing it to future day
ones, is they don't explain the joke.

544
00:31:51.160 --> 00:31:52.240
The joke's good enough as it is, and it's just there and it's

545
00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:56.960
done, which which I appreciate.
It lets you do a bit of figuring

546
00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:00.839
out as well, sometimes raft than
spelling everything out for you. But name

547
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:04.319
yes, Homer, that bands of
the chocolate scene I really enjoyed, and

548
00:32:04.359 --> 00:32:08.000
just the graduate to get more and
more angry. But yes, it's it's

549
00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:13.599
mainly oh yeah, I think the
Smithers Smithers bits in the episode that we

550
00:32:13.599 --> 00:32:15.400
were really funny. I'm glad you
brought up when Skinner was getting yelled at

551
00:32:15.400 --> 00:32:17.759
there by Charmers, because Charmers is
one of those characters as a kid,

552
00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:21.319
I just thought it was just this
mean guy. But I find the older

553
00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:23.160
you get, the people like that
has become more relatable because it's almost like

554
00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:28.119
Charmers represents the as if a real
person went into this world of Springfield and

555
00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:31.279
went, what the hell is going
on here? He represents a normal person.

556
00:32:31.799 --> 00:32:35.559
And I just find there's a lot
of episodes of Charmers. And there's

557
00:32:35.559 --> 00:32:37.920
an episode called I don't know what
it's called where missus Kate and Skinner first

558
00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:40.039
hook up. As a kid,
I was like, this is a boring

559
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:45.119
episode. But when you you know
you've aged and you've been through through relationships

560
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:47.319
and whatnot, episodes like that just
resonate with you more. It's fine.

561
00:32:47.319 --> 00:32:50.640
It's amazing how the Simpsons can appeal
to you on a whole new level.

562
00:32:50.759 --> 00:32:52.759
Because you said you haven't watched the
show in twenty years, Ben, but

563
00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:54.559
I feel like if you go back
and watch those Golden Ear episodes, now

564
00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:58.359
you relate to it on a whole
different level. For sure. For sure,

565
00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:02.559
there was an episode where Bart gets
yanked out of a photo and he

566
00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:06.559
does something to what he steals,
I believe, and really upsets his Mind's

567
00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:08.000
been not pre as one of my
favorite episodes. Yeah, yeah, it's

568
00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:12.759
in yes, yeah, yeah,
And I remember again at the time,

569
00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:15.480
even being a kid and watching it. I'm sure I react differently now,

570
00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:20.319
but I remember that emotionally that really
resonated with me when I watched it,

571
00:33:20.359 --> 00:33:22.319
and I'm sure, yeah, I'm
sure watching back and all the different thing

572
00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:25.000
again to go back to home,
are doing the wrong things the fishing,

573
00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:31.319
the fishing episode, Yeah, I
definitely I am ready now to do a

574
00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:35.559
rebinch missus k when you're older.
I think missus Kay has always been the

575
00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:37.519
Fox of the Simpsons in my opinion, Like as a kid, like she's

576
00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:39.920
just this old teacher, but then
when you know you're thirty five, you're

577
00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:45.480
like, she's hot. Shit.
I think the word to describe is she

578
00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:50.119
just seems fun. She's up for
whatever. Yeah, she's up listening.

579
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:54.440
All right, let's skim through the
episode. Show. So the original air

580
00:33:54.680 --> 00:33:59.960
of part one was May twenty first, nineteen ninety five, written by Bill

581
00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:01.839
Oklin Josh Wainstein. As we're part
one and two, little, let's touch

582
00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:06.240
on it actually, so getting to
write this episode, what a gig that

583
00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:08.599
would have been. I wanted they
appreciated it at the time, I'm sure

584
00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:10.960
they did, because I was huge
Simpsons fans before they've enjoined the show.

585
00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:14.760
But being able to say that,
you know, you and your best mate

586
00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:16.880
wrote who shot mister Burns? That
must have been so much fun to have

587
00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:20.679
that kind of power at the time. Would you would you have said they

588
00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:23.360
had complete freedom in terms of the
or were they given the suspect beforehand?

589
00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:27.920
Do you know they wanted Barney so
that they wanted the other guys that wanted

590
00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:30.559
Barney And they were told by James
Brooks, who you know, genius that

591
00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:32.400
it has to be a member of
the Simpsons, and they were like,

592
00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:34.920
oh fuck, all right, how
are we going to do that? And

593
00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:37.559
they weren't at Maggie, but I
think they I said, they've reflected now

594
00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:40.199
and gone that's the right option.
But I just think having that, having

595
00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:44.599
the ability and having their I think
I'd be almost scared to write this one

596
00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:47.159
because it's like to be screwed up. It's that's it, You're don't no.

597
00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:50.840
What I liked about is it's just
the layer in of it. And

598
00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:54.320
like I know, obviously they do
it on purpose in terms of getting everyone

599
00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:58.760
to be a suspect, but they
haven't it's all legitimate reasons why people are

600
00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:00.199
so pissed off. And then you
he builds and bills, and you go,

601
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:01.960
oh that makes sense. No,
it makes sense if that happen,

602
00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:05.840
if he did it, And there's
so well written in that aspect. But

603
00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:09.480
also with each situation, it's very
humorous in terms of how they build out.

604
00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:14.039
But yeah, it must be.
I would be very intimidated having to

605
00:35:14.119 --> 00:35:16.760
ride at the first two parts,
especially for a series end around a series

606
00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:21.360
opener. That would be terrifying to
me. But the episode kicks off with

607
00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:24.159
Skinner arriving at the school early morning, kind of like it is here,

608
00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:29.280
I'm looking outside the sun starting maybe
to come up. Yeah, but I

609
00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:31.880
always loved the early morning vibe of
The Simpsons, when it's just early morning,

610
00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:35.159
the sort of the music's playing,
it's that the suns rise. He

611
00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:37.760
always looks cool, but he finds
unfortunately Super Dude, who's been crushed by

612
00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:42.719
his own water bottle, so gets
willing to bury him well. Sometime over

613
00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:46.440
the holiday weekend, the beloved Grade
four Gerbil super Dude lost his life.

614
00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:50.360
I need you to air out the
classroom and give super Dude a proper burial.

615
00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:57.159
Go. Yeah, like you had
to getting a decent burial. Me

616
00:35:57.239 --> 00:36:00.800
on farther get through in the Bug. What's the thoughts on grand skip of

617
00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:04.400
Willie. I know you guys are
Scottish, but in the UK do you

618
00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:14.320
guys like Willy in the context of
The Simpsons. Absolutely? Yeah, absolutely,

619
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:19.079
yeah, love with it. He
was he was because there's not too

620
00:36:19.159 --> 00:36:21.519
many. I know there were some
guest stars, but there's not There's not

621
00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:28.320
an outright continual British character. So
Willy was Willy was? Yeah, very

622
00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:30.679
fondly regarded over here, Am I
right? Tom? Yeah? I think

623
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:35.320
so. No, no one was
offended by the voice, Scottish voice or

624
00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:37.679
anything like that, and even the
stereotypes I think. I think if it

625
00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:40.239
was an I think I'd be more
taken offensive. If it was even Irish

626
00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:45.239
character in all the Irish gags,
I think Scottish is fair game. Weirdly,

627
00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:49.280
that's why we feel so lucky here
in Australia that we got a Golden

628
00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:52.440
era episode of The Simpsons in our
country. We yet to go us at

629
00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:54.000
the way to like season fifteen or
something to get in the UK, and

630
00:36:54.039 --> 00:36:58.719
I watched that one and go this
episode just doesn't hit right. But we

631
00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:01.079
got you know, we got peaks, so we're always very cherished that and

632
00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:05.320
we'll never offended by the stereotypes.
It's ridiculous. There's nothing like I mean,

633
00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:07.519
there are Australian isms in there,
but they're just completely blown out of

634
00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:10.719
proportion. But we love that for
that's that's the whole gag of the show.

635
00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:14.239
And that's why when I see people
get angry about the stereotypes of the

636
00:37:14.239 --> 00:37:16.679
Simpsons, I just think that's comedy. Though. Yeah, I think the

637
00:37:16.719 --> 00:37:20.239
thing with it as well is just
the fact that, yeah, if it

638
00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:22.119
was just a two D simple gag
and then the character has nothing else to

639
00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:25.119
say, and then you know they're
just a character that made the joke.

640
00:37:25.239 --> 00:37:30.119
But there's people. It's this characters
do have like long storylines and all really

641
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:32.280
deep storylines, you know, lessons
with them as well. I think that's

642
00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:36.159
why I think it's a lot more
acceptable because it's not just a two D

643
00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:39.119
cheap laugh. So he ends up
striking oil, destroys the school and destroys

644
00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:43.280
Ralph in the process as well.
Then we get mister Burns and he wants

645
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:46.079
to send the parcel with the profit
projections to Pete Porter in Pasadena overnight we

646
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:50.079
get the montage of the male system
at the bowl plant. Homer thinks he's

647
00:37:50.079 --> 00:37:52.280
doing the right thing by returning it
to mister Burns, but it's a return

648
00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:53.880
addressed, of course. And this
is where they established the story from mister

649
00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:58.480
Burns that he doesn't know his name, which I guess when you think of

650
00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:01.199
continuity, seems a bit ridiculous because
we've had so many episodes with Burns and

651
00:38:01.280 --> 00:38:04.960
Homer up to this point already,
but I'm willing to go with it.

652
00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:07.599
So, you know, Homer tries
to tell him his name and he drops

653
00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:09.559
the So one killer is a thousand
grams, isn't it? The thing that

654
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:13.360
he drops in his head, which
I've got here would shortly still hurt.

655
00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:15.519
Yeah, and it's pointed as well. I mean, I know it hits

656
00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:17.320
him with the flag, but there
was one in free chance that was going

657
00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:21.840
to cause some real damage. But
Skinner here he sees the destruction. This

658
00:38:21.880 --> 00:38:23.559
is where Charmers arrives. He's very, very angry, angry, but they

659
00:38:23.599 --> 00:38:27.599
now the rich to school in the
state, so of course he's happy about

660
00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:30.679
that. They find Superdoo just throws
him. Then Burns is now in his

661
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:34.559
executive spa and we see the newspaper
article which I love the headline awful school

662
00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:37.800
is awful rich and which is actually
a nice sea plant for later in the

663
00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:43.159
episode when we have Skinner covering the
word awful. But he Burns is jealous

664
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:45.519
this. You know, how dare
they have money? I want their money.

665
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:47.239
So it gets Smith's to go another
twenty miles on the on the bike

666
00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:51.920
whilst he plays pinball. You guys, fans of pinball, iast have a

667
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:54.079
virtual pinball I had to sell it
to pay for my son's surgery. But

668
00:38:54.280 --> 00:38:58.840
basically, a virtual pin wore machine
is every pinball machine ever created, but

669
00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:00.800
it's done digitally and it's like on
a TV. And he build it to

670
00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:04.239
look like a pinball machine. A
lot of fun. I mean, it's

671
00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:07.360
not a real thing, but you
just immerse yourself and yeah, it's pretty

672
00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:09.159
cool. The cheap, a cheap
version of having every pinbor machine in the

673
00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:13.639
world. No, that's really cool. The only time we can. You

674
00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:16.239
can still find it over here in
some arcades, but and maybe pubs,

675
00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:21.239
but I can't remember the last time
I saw one. No, I haven't

676
00:39:21.239 --> 00:39:24.440
played pinball in a long time.
I think i'd always gravitate towards House of

677
00:39:24.519 --> 00:39:30.159
Dead too with my coat. Yeah, but yeah, Pinball, Yeah no,

678
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:31.519
I never really had to go on
it to be fair, And I

679
00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:35.559
love that Burns. He's got it
right next to his gym. It's funny

680
00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:37.000
you brought up a House of Dead
there. That was the machine when I

681
00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:39.440
went to the arcade as a kid, and you had the curtain, and

682
00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:43.400
there's always the mystique of what's behind
there. I don't forget the ones why

683
00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:45.559
I can't finally peep behind the curtain
and it's just these zombies and shit,

684
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:51.719
and I just never again. But
it was always like you see, the

685
00:39:51.880 --> 00:39:54.000
grown up kids would go into this
machine and the sanded terrifyings like I have

686
00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:57.599
to see what was behind the curtain. It was that dressic Park. I

687
00:39:57.599 --> 00:40:00.599
think dressed Park. I think I
stuck with time crisis. Yeah, yeah,

688
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:02.000
that's fair. But this is where
Burns he gets into the elevator,

689
00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:14.000
blue liney Colonel Giermo, Hello,
Oh, don't take it so hard,

690
00:40:14.039 --> 00:40:16.239
Homer. He's always scrowing up people's
names. Yeah, the picnic. He

691
00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:21.039
thought my son Rinaldo was my son
Rolando. Can you believe that? Then

692
00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:24.119
Skinner shows the newspaper to charmers,
and we get the great payoff here of

693
00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:29.760
the unrelated article in the better headline. But Chalmer suggests that they should maybe

694
00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:32.119
should give everyone age a college scholarship. They all laugh about because of course

695
00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:36.960
that's not going to happen. They
want the crystal bucket from a slot,

696
00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:44.159
water e and a pland new filthy
blanket. The cafeteria staff is complaining about

697
00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:49.800
the mice in the kitchen. I
want to hire a new staff. I'd

698
00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:52.800
like to start a jazz program for
the music department. We've got a really

699
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:59.599
great instruction line up, Judo,
he's ready to give up the drudgery of

700
00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:04.280
the Profrnando second and settle into a
nice teaching job. Man, it will

701
00:41:04.360 --> 00:41:07.280
be my pleasure. Lisa has told
me all your students are as bright and

702
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:14.760
dedicated to jazz as she is.
Let's go now, mister Prenty. Chocolate

703
00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:20.119
microscopes, you know these guitars that
are like double guitarres, you know more

704
00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:23.440
rubber stamps. Just you guys were
awful, rich right. I'm not saying

705
00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:27.079
awful. Podcast is awful, rich
Just you guys were awful, rich right.

706
00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:30.400
What would be the first thing you
would buy? Do you think would

707
00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:32.000
you pay off family debt? Or
is it now? They can wait?

708
00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:36.280
I'm going to buy something for myself
first, walk you what are you buying?

709
00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:39.079
Then you've done your big purchases,
haven't you really have? I really

710
00:41:39.679 --> 00:41:44.039
well, Tom's going to buy the
World of Springfield figureut. But what about

711
00:41:44.079 --> 00:41:47.599
you? My heart says, immediately
settle family, not settle family debt is

712
00:41:47.639 --> 00:41:50.960
in. We've incurd it on one
another. But yeah, look after the

713
00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:54.320
family. I feel like i'd need
some sort of statement purchase though, to

714
00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:59.639
announce yourself. Yeah. Yeah,
Like I'm thinking straight away a big plot

715
00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:02.119
of land in or a big elaborate
house. But I don't know that is

716
00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:06.599
that quick enough? You're you're gonna
buy something that's not That makes no sense

717
00:42:06.599 --> 00:42:08.039
though, It's just ridiculous because I
can afford to buy it. Like,

718
00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:10.719
what, what's what's your fun purchase? What's what's the one thing you look

719
00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:15.280
at and go, I'll never need
that, but I'll always want it.

720
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:19.000
Do you have one of those things? I don't. I No, I

721
00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:22.199
don't. I've always kind of wanted
to put a giant I've always wanted like

722
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:24.000
a giant fish tank. Call,
so that would be an elaborate one,

723
00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:27.920
I guess, or like a room
dividing, big ol' male giglow right,

724
00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:30.280
yes, yeah yeah, and and
the old holes in the ceiling for me

725
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:35.480
to dangle and crack my back.
Yeah, but yeah, okay, we'll

726
00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:37.239
go with We'll go with giant fish
tank and then women would pay you to

727
00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:44.880
give them pleasure. So great movie. That's such a great It's one of

728
00:42:44.920 --> 00:42:46.800
those movies that I loved when I
was younger. And you I don't think

729
00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:51.559
I was even released on like physical
media here because I loved I still buy

730
00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:52.920
blue rays and stuff, but I
think you may have got a DVDY release.

731
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:54.639
But I think they even bother put
it on blue red, like no

732
00:42:54.679 --> 00:42:58.320
one likes this movie. And I
was like, I like this movie.

733
00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:00.920
I remember the DVD cup. Isn't
it like him sort of stretching by a

734
00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:05.320
lamp shade or like hurting himself on
a lamp shade, or in Australia it

735
00:43:05.360 --> 00:43:08.480
was him peeping through a peep hole
on the door. Oh nice, Oh

736
00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:13.119
cool? Yeah, but every country
has their own different covers. But I

737
00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:15.880
think it might be on Disney Plus
Action. Now that I say, I'm

738
00:43:15.880 --> 00:43:17.480
gonna have to go back and rewatch
that movie. Now I'll watch you with

739
00:43:17.559 --> 00:43:21.360
you? And is that a shooting
McGavin t shirt as well? Because I

740
00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:23.519
have heard that in the Happy Happy
Gilmore two has in the works. Yeah,

741
00:43:23.599 --> 00:43:28.119
so yeah, Christopher Cameorry's last name
because Christian er Donald is his name.

742
00:43:28.119 --> 00:43:30.239
The Glap Place shoot of Bagavin.
He announced that Adam Sandler sent him

743
00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:36.079
a specscript potentially of Happy Gilmore two, which I don't It's one of those

744
00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:38.400
things where a lot of our listeners
messages with me. I mentioned happ Gilmore

745
00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:40.280
all the time in the podcast,
one of my favorite movies, and they

746
00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:44.840
go, are you excited for this? And I went, I will watch

747
00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:46.519
it, but I don't know whether
I need it, because I just fear

748
00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:49.880
that it will never be able to
live up to the nostalgia I have for

749
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:52.639
the first one. I love Happy
Gilmore. That was my definitely my favorite

750
00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:54.880
film for years and years and years. Happy Gilmore and Billy Madison was just

751
00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:59.440
the classic summer two punch on TV
here in Australia every summer Billy Madison,

752
00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:02.159
Happy Gilmore back to back. Yeah, so good. And then we get

753
00:44:02.199 --> 00:44:05.880
as you mentioned earlier time with the
intercom, I don't have an indacom or

754
00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:09.400
a secretary said to me, and
we get mister Burns dressed up as Jimbo.

755
00:44:09.519 --> 00:44:12.800
Now there is a little clue in
the back of the wall here where

756
00:44:12.920 --> 00:44:16.840
Skinners got a certificate because his name
is w Seymour Skinner, so the W

757
00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:21.679
and the S also applies to Skinner
in this episode. Yeah, they made

758
00:44:21.719 --> 00:44:23.920
sure to mention the W S and
the background there, and the other thing

759
00:44:23.960 --> 00:44:29.039
too with him falling on the dial
was he falls with W and S.

760
00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:30.920
Sure, and it's revealed to be
M and S. But it's also three

761
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:34.760
PM. That's the other three PM
little clue that had in there as well.

762
00:44:35.480 --> 00:44:37.639
But it's revealed here that mister Burns
is the one hundred and four year

763
00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:38.559
old man. I'm not sure if
they mentioned his age before then, but

764
00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:42.320
one hundred and four years old.
And he refuses to give him any money,

765
00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:45.280
so Burns tries to attack him.
I was also thinking at the time

766
00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:47.880
that his age was announced just in
this one episode that maybe that relates to

767
00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:53.719
him for getting Homer's name just on
that occasion for some reason. But yeah,

768
00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:57.519
Burns, he tries to give him
the old flailing arms attack, I'm

769
00:44:57.519 --> 00:45:00.519
going to get you, and then
he calls which is just me fight exactly.

770
00:45:01.639 --> 00:45:05.239
And then yeah, the smith has
kind of peppers in with a few

771
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:07.280
staples, but I don't think any
of them quite read him. But it's

772
00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:12.840
the family dinner and he didn't approve
Bart's idea to revive the Three Stooges.

773
00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:15.760
And then we get Homer sad but
not knowing his name, and Marge suggests

774
00:45:15.800 --> 00:45:19.559
the idea for the candy with the
photo, which has a fantastic payoff,

775
00:45:19.639 --> 00:45:22.519
as you were mentioning earlier with home, I thinking he's getting the nice thank

776
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:24.840
you letter, but no, his
name wasn't mentioned in the car. But

777
00:45:24.880 --> 00:45:27.679
before we get to that moment,
though, this is where we cut to

778
00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:30.360
Burns and he's using his binoculars to
look around and sees his company about to

779
00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:34.800
drill and still all the oil from
the school, and we get the famous

780
00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:37.360
light taking candy from a baby,
which I guess is the big one,

781
00:45:37.639 --> 00:45:40.280
isn't it the big sort of clue? Which it's just a passing comment,

782
00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:44.480
but I think, you know,
repeat viewings, you go, that's the

783
00:45:44.519 --> 00:45:47.880
one right there. Then we get
the Oil Appreciation Day press conference and Lias

784
00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:51.639
it's about she turns on the pump, about to make them very very rich,

785
00:45:51.679 --> 00:45:58.280
and they realize there's no oil soon
that myty apparatus will burst forth with

786
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:20.039
its precious fluid most sexual listened to
me, is all right oil. Skinner

787
00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:22.840
then says that we can't have anything
that that I promised though, because you

788
00:46:22.840 --> 00:46:24.559
know, the oil doesn't belong to
us, it belongs to who Ordia first,

789
00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:29.360
So unfortunately he's going to have to
eliminate music and maintenance. Lisa then

790
00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:31.559
takes the call from Tito Puente,
which were you guys a fan of?

791
00:46:31.639 --> 00:46:35.039
Like his guest appearance Tito in this
I had no idea who he was as

792
00:46:35.079 --> 00:46:36.960
a kid. I still kind of
don't really know who he is now,

793
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:39.480
but I always enjoyed his song.
I have no idea who he is at

794
00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:43.639
all, not a clue. Yeah, same same, but his music number

795
00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:45.159
was fun. A find way to
kill like ninety seconds of the episode for

796
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:49.320
them, Like, we can't be
fucked writing this, just throwing a song

797
00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:52.320
I had. I had the Simpson
CD for Christmas when I was young,

798
00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:55.800
So there's a lot of the songs
that I often don't know what episode they're

799
00:46:55.840 --> 00:46:59.199
from, and then it will click
in and oh, I know every word

800
00:46:59.239 --> 00:47:01.280
of this song just because the CDs
to play as a kid. And I

801
00:47:01.239 --> 00:47:05.880
remember once from a charity shop buying
the Simpsons Blue CD, the Blue CD,

802
00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:12.239
and that's terrible. See stinks,
it's not great. It's got I

803
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:14.679
think Do the Bartman might be on
this, Do the Bartman on there?

804
00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:17.400
But that's about it, right,
No, it's literally just the ones of

805
00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:21.800
their redub it old blue stuff and
think it's of red cover. And I

806
00:47:21.840 --> 00:47:23.719
bought it for like a quid.
I've got the vinyl here. I've listened

807
00:47:23.719 --> 00:47:27.239
to it once in a whek man
that can just that can just stay there.

808
00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:34.960
But I think that that that sort
of was the epitome of the Simpsons

809
00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:37.360
is so popular right now, let's
just get whatever we can and slap the

810
00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:39.239
Simpsons face on it. And that
just feels like one of those things where

811
00:47:39.239 --> 00:47:43.000
they went, yeah, we probably
just went a little bit too far with

812
00:47:43.039 --> 00:47:45.360
that one. We thought people were
going to appeal to the Simpsons singing the

813
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:47.719
blues. But the songs in the
Key of Springfield CD though, that was

814
00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:51.639
huge. That was like the soundtrack
to my childhood. That one. I

815
00:47:51.679 --> 00:47:53.840
had all the songs from the show
and things like that. Yeah, that's

816
00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:58.679
the one. Then how can you
work for a man like mister Bangs,

817
00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:01.280
not a little bit. He did
send me this nice thank you code mirch

818
00:48:01.480 --> 00:48:09.440
bite, Lisa and Maggie. Dad
just doesn't have your name on it.

819
00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:20.840
It would you step out side for
a second, Dear lord, that's the

820
00:48:20.920 --> 00:48:24.320
loudest profanity I have ever heard.
Now Mo's is full of fumes, and

821
00:48:24.360 --> 00:48:28.639
he's dizzy, nauseous, and where's
the inflated sense of self estee which is

822
00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:31.800
about to find Barney And they have
to unfortunately close down the bar due to

823
00:48:31.840 --> 00:48:35.719
the fume. So Moe gets his
shotgun, Barney gets his pistol, and

824
00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:38.559
now that he's got his sense of
self esteem, then we get If you

825
00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:42.840
look on the background of the TV
there too, there's an ad for pardonizing

826
00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:45.639
and it says it'll be on at
three pm on the TV in Moe's as

827
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:47.760
that scenes going on, not not
sort of, it's just in the background,

828
00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:52.320
but if you if you know,
it's there. Now the oil drilling

829
00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:55.440
causes the ground to collapse and the
retirement castle has sins, which means pas

830
00:48:55.559 --> 00:49:09.400
moving with the Simpsons, Who the
devil? You don't what are you talking

831
00:49:09.400 --> 00:49:16.840
about? Makes sense? Man?
I can't. Oh you're a dead man.

832
00:49:17.440 --> 00:49:22.239
Oh you're dead. You're dead birds. As you said, they did

833
00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:24.639
a good job of building up everyone's
reasoning for wanting to kill both. Even

834
00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:29.840
though Homer seems a bit ridiculous,
you can still believe that Homer as we

835
00:49:29.920 --> 00:49:32.119
know him would still maybe go to
that length because he seems so angry at

836
00:49:32.159 --> 00:49:36.440
least. Oh definitely this is that. I had this down as the third

837
00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:39.719
person to make a verbal threat on
Burns in this episode already Home is the

838
00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:45.760
third. I think Willie and Smith, Willie and sorry Lisa. So Lisa

839
00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:50.039
was on the phone just before the
biggest fuck in history and she says,

840
00:49:50.280 --> 00:49:53.199
yeah, I'd like to settle his
hash. And I googled what does what

841
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:58.320
does settle his hash mean? What
does that? And I could not find.

842
00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:00.840
She says, settle his hatch,
settle his god. Yeah, okay,

843
00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:09.159
good? Could hear it? Is
she threatening him? Or is okay

844
00:50:09.199 --> 00:50:15.239
hat hatch makes a lot more sense. Yeah, But also I guess that

845
00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:17.199
means that Tito also made the threat, we just didn't hear him say it.

846
00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:21.159
Yeah, okay, so Homer is
the fourth. I do I do

847
00:50:21.239 --> 00:50:24.079
think Mo and Balley brandishing weapons is
also a kind of a threat. Very

848
00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:28.760
true. That's very, very true. I think Homer seems the angriest I

849
00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:30.679
have everyone, though easily he's the
one that as well. He's also also

850
00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:34.159
displayed it in other episodes where he
can be off the wall and a bit.

851
00:50:34.760 --> 00:50:38.440
I'm not sure if the most flame
and flaming Homer's episode is before this

852
00:50:38.480 --> 00:50:43.320
one. Yeah, Moses season three. Yeah, so in that one even

853
00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:45.159
he loses his mind a little bit
and goes a little bit chaotic on that

854
00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:47.559
one. So he's got it in
him to kind of lose it. So

855
00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:51.239
I think Homer being off the wall
on this and again he looks the angriest

856
00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:54.280
of everyone. I think, Wow, that's my old smith in Westion.

857
00:50:54.880 --> 00:51:00.079
You're gonna play whether it be careful
because it's loaded. Damn. Guns are

858
00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:05.119
very dangerous and I won't have them
in this house. How can you have

859
00:51:05.239 --> 00:51:09.079
a house without a gun? What
about bear can't through the door. I'm

860
00:51:09.079 --> 00:51:12.800
going to bury it in the yard
where little hands can't get to it.

861
00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:16.480
You should have fired into the air. She would have run off. Grandpa

862
00:51:16.519 --> 00:51:21.320
Simpson is so good in this episode. Underrated performance. What was the point

863
00:51:21.320 --> 00:51:23.400
for you when you finally realized that
you were in that moment where it's like

864
00:51:23.480 --> 00:51:25.920
it'll happen to you. You know. I used to be with it,

865
00:51:25.960 --> 00:51:29.760
but I'm not a change what it
was. Have you hit that moment yet?

866
00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:31.400
I've definitely hit that moment where I
don't understand, Like I don't understand

867
00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:35.840
the music scene anymore. I'm just
I'm getting old. Yeah, completely,

868
00:51:36.280 --> 00:51:38.239
I've think four or five years ago
happened to me. I think TikTok is

869
00:51:38.239 --> 00:51:42.400
definitely one way I can't sit up
for the life of me, and I

870
00:51:42.440 --> 00:51:45.760
can't understand any of the filters or
even snapchat to find a little bit out

871
00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:47.760
of my depth. So, yes, it's happened. I finally had to

872
00:51:47.800 --> 00:51:51.760
like learn it from my job while
being social media and things like that.

873
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:54.199
But do you guys use TikTok for
your podcast or was it mainly Instagram?

874
00:51:54.360 --> 00:51:59.760
We've used it sporadically, I think
again that's probably a sign of our age.

875
00:51:59.800 --> 00:52:02.679
We've had a couple that have done
okay, but we've not been consistent

876
00:52:02.679 --> 00:52:07.440
whatsoever, which I think TikTok seems
to face the problem. Yeah, yeah,

877
00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:10.400
consistent every day. If you don't
post every day, TikTok algorithms goes

878
00:52:10.599 --> 00:52:14.679
nah. Yeah, yeah, we
are. We are long gone. We

879
00:52:14.719 --> 00:52:16.599
are long gone on TikTok. Yeah. Yeah, the problem is I sually

880
00:52:16.639 --> 00:52:19.760
we put all our eggs in one
bart. With Facebook, We've got a

881
00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:21.880
huge following. But like I said, you know, a couple of weeks

882
00:52:21.880 --> 00:52:23.039
ago, they just took it away
from us. Adam know when I thought

883
00:52:23.519 --> 00:52:29.719
I need to start ticking and talking. That's what they call it, right

884
00:52:34.840 --> 00:52:37.559
exactly. Snapchat is still a thing. I never used Snapchat ever in my

885
00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:43.239
life. I work in social media
and we work with a lot of creators

886
00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:45.679
as well, and your Facebook is
one we work with a lot. And

887
00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:51.119
Snapchat is actually really if you get
on there, it's actually really good for

888
00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:53.800
for monetization as well. It's a
really big one, especially over here.

889
00:52:54.280 --> 00:52:59.960
Yeah I think it was an America
but yeah it's a mad one. But

890
00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:02.480
yeah, Facebook is Facebook. We
work with a page where we have ten

891
00:53:02.519 --> 00:53:07.840
posts a day, ten posts a
day. Yeah, it's full on me?

892
00:53:07.119 --> 00:53:08.920
What it look glad? Bible?
What? What? What? Who?

893
00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:12.719
What's ten posts? Ten posts?
Don't say who it was? But

894
00:53:12.840 --> 00:53:15.159
is it news based or is it
just useless content? I say, I

895
00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:20.039
can say it's a podcast called Diary
of a CEO. Okay, is your

896
00:53:20.119 --> 00:53:22.760
dragons? Don Tom he's in dragons
Den over here. But yeah, he's

897
00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:24.719
kind of like a business yed guy. He's one of those. Yeah,

898
00:53:25.039 --> 00:53:29.559
but yeah it's for it's the client
and that, and yeah it's doing really

899
00:53:29.559 --> 00:53:34.039
well from it, but it's really
making me think maybe Facebook other pages need

900
00:53:34.079 --> 00:53:37.079
a lot more attention. But ten
posts a day is mad. It's now

901
00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:39.599
top of the big town meeting at
the end of part one. Mister Burns

902
00:53:39.679 --> 00:53:43.880
he's planned to block out the sun, and the mayor has his little underling

903
00:53:43.880 --> 00:53:45.960
to just give him the gist of
what's going on here, and he realized

904
00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:49.400
a number of them a striking guns, so he's going to step aside and

905
00:53:49.840 --> 00:53:53.159
where everyone runs through why mister Burns
has ruined their lives. Mister Burns was

906
00:53:53.159 --> 00:54:00.320
the closest thing I ever had to
him, but he fired me and fun

907
00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:07.679
around Bay drinking cheap scotch and watching
govern in Central Oh dear God, I

908
00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:10.320
never ass pardon my anger, but
course me my clones skipping job at the

909
00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:15.719
school. And do you superstitiously take
the one at got to him. I

910
00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:22.280
lost my room, my things,
and my buddy's collection of old sunbathing magazine

911
00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:28.000
you based it. I lost my
bar Oster's Bar. He robbed the School

912
00:54:28.039 --> 00:54:30.599
of Music, he robbed the School
of Financial Security, he robbed the School

913
00:54:30.599 --> 00:54:37.559
of Title. He can't remember my
name's look what he did? My best

914
00:54:37.599 --> 00:54:43.800
friend? What do you guys like? Millhouse? Well, as as I

915
00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:49.519
finished part two of Who Show,
Mister Burns Radioactive Man episode was on,

916
00:54:49.599 --> 00:54:52.000
which is a big, a big
Millhouse episode, and I loved the episode

917
00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:54.960
and actually quite like Millhouse in that
as well. But he did start to

918
00:54:54.960 --> 00:55:00.000
grete on me towards the end,
as did Lisa in both of these episodes.

919
00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:02.800
She'd kind of put herself and that's
when I started to suspect Lisa because

920
00:55:02.840 --> 00:55:07.639
she was kind of providing everyone with
an overview on who the main suspects are.

921
00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:08.840
She was kind of narrating the story
as you went, and I was

922
00:55:08.880 --> 00:55:12.800
just like, Lisa, come on, what has Lisa got to gain here?

923
00:55:14.039 --> 00:55:15.760
But you know, I'm a fan
of Millhouse. Millhouse in the oil

924
00:55:15.880 --> 00:55:19.440
Bart when Bart sells his soul,
I think he's really funny in that one.

925
00:55:19.519 --> 00:55:28.159
It's also a complete dick though it's
totally fair, but it was It's

926
00:55:28.239 --> 00:55:30.199
nice to see Millhouse finally have the
upper hand on Barca. Usually Bart just

927
00:55:31.000 --> 00:55:35.960
hanging shit on Millhouse. I always
remember that moment in Summer of four foot

928
00:55:35.960 --> 00:55:39.320
two where they go to go on
the summer vacation and Bart's trying to impress

929
00:55:39.360 --> 00:55:43.199
those kids and then they don't vote
for for it. It was like,

930
00:55:43.280 --> 00:55:45.559
who was you think, Dennis and
Menace as I did it work? No,

931
00:55:45.800 --> 00:55:51.559
they must have seen you. But
so it's perfect time here for mister

932
00:55:51.599 --> 00:55:53.800
Burns to arrive with some oil to
for his wheels, the dog's wheels,

933
00:55:53.800 --> 00:55:58.039
so because they're squeaking a bit,
and I just love that what a heel

934
00:55:58.079 --> 00:56:00.960
where he's like, I've got some
oil, perhaps I can sell him some

935
00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:06.400
oil to this dog, And I
was like, what a prick. I

936
00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:08.239
just I just love the way thats
have. Mister Burns go full super villain

937
00:56:08.360 --> 00:56:15.960
in this episode. Yeah, the
old waistcoat pocket what's the word for storing

938
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:19.000
a gun that's so bad that I
don't know? The wholester who thank you,

939
00:56:19.039 --> 00:56:21.719
I've even got a run down,
Yeah, the old waistcoat holster.

940
00:56:22.320 --> 00:56:23.679
Yeah, and he's got a bit
of a spring in his step at this

941
00:56:23.760 --> 00:56:29.519
point as well as if anything bad, very cocky and pay attention to that

942
00:56:29.559 --> 00:56:31.599
Holster is also a very big clue
yes, yeah, yeah. So then

943
00:56:31.639 --> 00:56:35.000
we get did you see you haven't
seen the sun set at three pm?

944
00:56:35.079 --> 00:56:37.039
Of course to see Captain has shut
up you. And then he gets through

945
00:56:37.039 --> 00:56:39.800
the sun, wads off into the
knife Crossy arrives from Reno. He's been

946
00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:53.079
away for six weeks? Where is
everybody? You? Okay? What did

947
00:56:53.119 --> 00:57:01.239
you play that with? Response?
This Burns has been shot. Just a

948
00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:09.679
minute. This isn't mister Burns at
all. It's a mask. Wait,

949
00:57:09.760 --> 00:57:14.960
it is Burns. His wrinklee skin
looks like a mask. I don't think,

950
00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:19.000
Well I don't know who did this. Everyone in towns a suspect.

951
00:57:27.840 --> 00:57:32.800
Well, I couldn't. Possibly it's
alve this mystery, can you Yeah,

952
00:57:32.840 --> 00:57:36.039
I'll give it a shot. I
mean, you know, it's my job,

953
00:57:36.159 --> 00:57:38.239
right And that is the end of
part one, and we'll just basically

954
00:57:38.239 --> 00:57:40.280
talk about episodes. You won't skin
through the whole thing. It will take

955
00:57:40.320 --> 00:57:45.199
forever. But I just love the
way in episode two, the way so

956
00:57:45.559 --> 00:57:46.679
when it starts off with the shower
scene, do you know what that's a

957
00:57:46.719 --> 00:57:50.679
reference to? Where it's just it's
a dream? Do you do you know

958
00:57:50.719 --> 00:57:53.679
what that's a reference to? Because
they've become detectives together in the race cab.

959
00:57:53.880 --> 00:57:58.000
Yeah, so basically what happened was
Dallas, the show we mentioned earlier

960
00:57:58.039 --> 00:58:00.840
with the who shot Jr. Years
or six years later or whatever. Ratings

961
00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:06.079
were dropping after they killed off one
of their main characters, and then the

962
00:58:06.199 --> 00:58:09.000
season finale, a woman wakes up
from a sleep, goes into the shower

963
00:58:09.119 --> 00:58:13.599
and the person who was her husband
had died and she'd since remarried and I

964
00:58:13.639 --> 00:58:15.400
think his name is Bobby or something, and he's just having a shower and

965
00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:17.400
he's like hello, And that was
the end of the season. So for

966
00:58:17.480 --> 00:58:21.440
the entire summer, everyone's going,
how is this possible? Whatever, And

967
00:58:21.480 --> 00:58:23.639
they just explain in the first episode
of the next season, Oh, that

968
00:58:23.719 --> 00:58:27.719
last season was all a dream.
Pretend it never happened. He's back,

969
00:58:29.199 --> 00:58:31.360
and that's where the whole it was
just the dream things comes from. Now

970
00:58:31.719 --> 00:58:35.880
whenever you see a parody of it
was all a dream. Yeah, that's

971
00:58:35.920 --> 00:58:37.880
what they're taking off here. Basically, it was just widing themselves out of

972
00:58:37.880 --> 00:58:40.719
a hole because everyone stopped watching because
they killed off a character. So they

973
00:58:40.760 --> 00:58:43.880
just rode him back in and said
it was all a dream. And that's

974
00:58:43.880 --> 00:58:46.000
what this was a take off of. Because it was Dallas and Dallas because

975
00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:50.960
they were coming back from the season. Yeah, and that's how that season

976
00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:54.000
started as well. Yeah. One
thing as well that really stuck out from

977
00:58:54.039 --> 00:58:58.440
the first episode is Marge obviously said
she would go and bury the gun,

978
00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:00.440
and it's sort of a yes,
did she bury it? Did she not

979
00:59:00.480 --> 00:59:05.159
bury it? But she buried it
in the front garden. Yeah, the

980
00:59:05.239 --> 00:59:07.199
revolver, the revolver box was dug
up and it was just blowing in the

981
00:59:07.239 --> 00:59:12.239
wind of the front garden, which
everybody can see. So whoever's dug that

982
00:59:12.360 --> 00:59:15.519
revolver up? Yeah, I was
like, wow, why not the back

983
00:59:15.519 --> 00:59:19.119
garden. You've already got like bits
of treehouse. You could hide it underneath.

984
00:59:19.159 --> 00:59:21.159
I guess they did that as an
establishing shot, so you can see

985
00:59:21.159 --> 00:59:23.800
the Simpsons house in the background,
so you know where it was. We

986
00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:29.320
guys, as lost as I was
as a kid watching the Twin Peaks reference

987
00:59:29.480 --> 00:59:32.480
in this episode with the clues,
I had fucking no idea what was going

988
00:59:32.559 --> 00:59:36.119
on when I was a kid.
I still I've still never seen Twin Peaks.

989
00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:38.519
I still I've seen that scene now
because I knew what they were referencing,

990
00:59:38.599 --> 00:59:42.480
But the the Burns is sued.
I was like, I have no

991
00:59:42.679 --> 00:59:45.119
idea, what's happening right now?
Yeah, I think I've got the basic

992
00:59:45.280 --> 00:59:46.559
ings think references, but I didn't
get a twin Peaks. Now, was

993
00:59:46.599 --> 00:59:52.639
it Wigham had some bad cream and
then started having a bad dream? Bad

994
00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:57.360
cream was warm? Or yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. So my girlfriend

995
00:59:57.400 --> 01:00:00.320
said, that's a Twin Peaks reference. That's a Twin Peak and I I've

996
01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:01.159
never seen it, so I didn't
get it, but she got it straight

997
01:00:01.199 --> 01:00:05.440
away. I think that's what the
Simpsons were so great at, was referencing

998
01:00:05.519 --> 01:00:08.639
things that sort of made you go
and do research and discover other great moments

999
01:00:08.679 --> 01:00:14.559
of pop culture sort of other great
well. For example, they're Indiana Jones

1000
01:00:14.599 --> 01:00:16.880
parody with Homer rolling down the stairs. If you haven't seen Indiana Jones,

1001
01:00:17.400 --> 01:00:21.719
yeah, you just think that's just
a funny Simpsons visual gag. But no,

1002
01:00:21.840 --> 01:00:23.400
as you get you're like, hey, it's Indiana Jones. You know

1003
01:00:23.639 --> 01:00:27.599
so good this and these both these
episodes are chopped full of them as well.

1004
01:00:27.760 --> 01:00:30.519
Yeah one dred percent, Yeah,
but what we lock your key takeaways

1005
01:00:30.559 --> 01:00:34.119
from part two? For me,
the standout moment was, and it's so

1006
01:00:34.440 --> 01:00:37.440
small and insignificant, but Moe's lie
detector. Oh that's iconic, isn't it?

1007
01:00:37.880 --> 01:00:42.400
So so good? I have a
hot date tonight, No I have

1008
01:00:42.880 --> 01:00:44.800
I have a date. No,
I have a dinner with a friend.

1009
01:00:45.039 --> 01:00:47.639
No, I have dinner alone watching
TV alone. No, No, I'm

1010
01:00:47.679 --> 01:00:52.800
going to sit on old ladies in
Victoria's Secret No sears okay, ding so

1011
01:00:53.079 --> 01:01:01.039
good? Sound like I don't deserve
this chebvy treatment. So good, that's

1012
01:01:01.159 --> 01:01:06.239
great. I do also love the
basic instinct Willie gag here opening up the

1013
01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:09.679
legs of the kilt. So do
you think they did a good job of

1014
01:01:09.760 --> 01:01:13.679
establishing that Homer was going to be
the one? It felt a bit early

1015
01:01:13.719 --> 01:01:15.719
in the episode went upon reflection now, but I think it's a game.

1016
01:01:15.719 --> 01:01:17.880
When I was first watching it,
I went, ah, it's just Homer,

1017
01:01:17.920 --> 01:01:22.880
because it all made sense. I
think, like because we said about

1018
01:01:22.880 --> 01:01:24.199
the other episodes. I mean,
even though he was the most angry one,

1019
01:01:24.400 --> 01:01:28.400
and you know, you think he
probably has it in him because he

1020
01:01:28.559 --> 01:01:32.360
usually calms down it's resolved. I
never, even though it did got about

1021
01:01:32.360 --> 01:01:37.639
to be even though it is one
of the main family, I didn't.

1022
01:01:37.639 --> 01:01:38.679
I think Home was too big a
character In my head. Even then,

1023
01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:43.360
I was like, it's not going
to be him, but I don't,

1024
01:01:43.400 --> 01:01:45.000
you know, I don't even remember
as a kid, though, who I

1025
01:01:45.119 --> 01:01:49.320
strongly believed it being. I remember
thinking he shot himself for a long time

1026
01:01:49.360 --> 01:01:52.679
because the whole star and maybe he
was trying to pull it out, and

1027
01:01:52.039 --> 01:01:55.639
I did, yeah, I for
a long time before he'd accidentally discharged the

1028
01:01:55.679 --> 01:02:00.440
rifle of the pistol into himself.
But would never in a million have gone

1029
01:02:00.440 --> 01:02:02.039
to Maggie. I remember when I
was watching this as a kid, I

1030
01:02:02.079 --> 01:02:05.239
thought it was Smithers, and then
when they said it was Homer, I

1031
01:02:05.280 --> 01:02:07.400
thought, ah. Then I thought
maybe it was Herb. I thought they're

1032
01:02:07.400 --> 01:02:12.119
going to bring back Herb the Simpsons, But then it wouldn't make sense because

1033
01:02:12.159 --> 01:02:15.599
I hadn't really established a reason for
that. But any reason to bring back

1034
01:02:15.639 --> 01:02:16.559
Herb, in my opinion, because
I thought Dan Davida was Herb is one

1035
01:02:16.559 --> 01:02:21.239
of my favorite one or two time
characters of all time. But yeah,

1036
01:02:21.239 --> 01:02:23.360
I just I remember watching this one
and when it was revealed finally at the

1037
01:02:23.480 --> 01:02:29.599
end that it is it is Maggie. I remember being disappointed, But you

1038
01:02:29.639 --> 01:02:31.800
know, my logical brain now looks
back and goes it was probably the right

1039
01:02:31.840 --> 01:02:35.960
option because it was the only sort
of way out, wasn't it if they

1040
01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:38.079
did the evil baby with the one
eyebrow. Yeah, but then you have

1041
01:02:38.159 --> 01:02:44.320
to ignore the Simpsons DNA as as
trou McClure says in one hundred and thirtyeth

1042
01:02:44.400 --> 01:02:49.760
episode Spectacular that it would just be
down right nuddy had Larry Burns been introduced

1043
01:02:49.880 --> 01:02:52.719
by this point or not, and
of season six I think he was.

1044
01:02:52.760 --> 01:02:55.480
Season seven, I want to say
Burns, baby Burns. But holy Molly,

1045
01:02:55.559 --> 01:02:58.760
is at a great episode that I
never appreciated. Nothing as aid as

1046
01:02:58.760 --> 01:03:01.519
a kid so good, so obviously
so in the one hundred and thirty eight

1047
01:03:01.559 --> 01:03:05.679
episode Spectacular, which may have been
the following season or the season after,

1048
01:03:06.159 --> 01:03:08.679
it's where they show all the alternate
endings that they had the animators just draw

1049
01:03:09.239 --> 01:03:13.400
just to throw them off. They
were genuinely created because it was a big

1050
01:03:13.480 --> 01:03:15.320
deal. Like they said that when
they did the table read for this one,

1051
01:03:15.760 --> 01:03:20.599
the final five to ten pages of
the script were printed out on separate

1052
01:03:20.639 --> 01:03:23.239
paper and only a handful of them
new and once they'd done it, they

1053
01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:27.360
shredded it. You couldn't read it
anymore because they wanted to keep it a

1054
01:03:27.400 --> 01:03:29.960
secret. And yeah, so basically
it was like this huge deal. So

1055
01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:32.880
they got them to do the fake
endings and that's why they had the ending

1056
01:03:34.000 --> 01:03:37.119
in that episode where it was actually
revealed to be Smithers, so you would

1057
01:03:37.119 --> 01:03:39.679
never really know who actually was.
Yeah. Wow, they went all out

1058
01:03:39.719 --> 01:03:42.800
then. Yeah, And apparently they
tried to leak it. They went to

1059
01:03:42.880 --> 01:03:45.880
like news outlets and said, look, I've got footage of this Smithers.

1060
01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:50.079
Here's the footage, and no news
outlet would run with it. Everyone all

1061
01:03:50.079 --> 01:03:52.480
of a sudden, was honest.
They wanted to throw out this spoiler that

1062
01:03:52.559 --> 01:03:54.519
was a fake spoiler, but no
one bought it anyway. But that is

1063
01:03:54.639 --> 01:03:59.039
who shot mister Burns part too.
Just it would probably be top for me.

1064
01:03:59.079 --> 01:04:00.440
It's top five, but I knowbout
you guys, but top five most

1065
01:04:00.679 --> 01:04:04.639
iconic episodes of the Simpsons. Not
necessarily the best, but just iconic.

1066
01:04:04.719 --> 01:04:08.239
It's the ones that we were one
of the ones that we remember the most.

1067
01:04:08.280 --> 01:04:10.559
I think, yeah, I think
it's jam packed with loads of singers,

1068
01:04:10.599 --> 01:04:13.960
like I said, And yeah,
even though in the fact it's spook

1069
01:04:13.960 --> 01:04:16.239
because usually the Simpsons tend the spoof
maybe one film or whatever. But it

1070
01:04:16.320 --> 01:04:19.079
does do a few good spoofs.
And if you could nods to other mysteries

1071
01:04:19.079 --> 01:04:21.079
as well, and like you say, when you get older, you kind

1072
01:04:21.079 --> 01:04:24.639
of realize what that actually, you
know. I didn't know what basic instinct

1073
01:04:24.719 --> 01:04:27.440
was when I was watching it the
first time, but then the joke Riddy

1074
01:04:27.480 --> 01:04:30.159
lunds when you know the exact thing
that they're doing. So yeah, I

1075
01:04:30.239 --> 01:04:31.480
think it definitely holds up. Not
yeah, it's not in my top five,

1076
01:04:31.519 --> 01:04:34.320
but it's definitely like in one of
the ones, like I think back

1077
01:04:34.320 --> 01:04:38.679
and Go, that's a very solid
episode. Definitely. But speaking of top

1078
01:04:38.760 --> 01:04:41.199
five, asked the question for you
guys now before we get into your to

1079
01:04:41.280 --> 01:04:44.639
your stuff, so I threw it
to you. You're in charge of a

1080
01:04:44.639 --> 01:04:47.119
Simpsons marathon ninety to ninety eight.
I'm not sure what did Aaron BBC?

1081
01:04:47.880 --> 01:04:51.639
What was what? Sky? What
was it on Channel four and Sky?

1082
01:04:53.400 --> 01:04:55.760
Sky one? H Channel four and
Sky? Okay, so not only a

1083
01:04:55.880 --> 01:05:00.559
Channel four and Sky Friday Night five
episodes Simpsons marathon? What episodes that you

1084
01:05:00.639 --> 01:05:02.440
guys go on with. I've got
some. The thing is, I'm not

1085
01:05:02.480 --> 01:05:05.000
going to try and be too cool
with this. I'm going to go for

1086
01:05:05.039 --> 01:05:08.480
ones that I just think naturally,
you know, the standouts, and I

1087
01:05:08.559 --> 01:05:11.719
think some of them are fairly obvious. But yeah, march Bus is the

1088
01:05:11.760 --> 01:05:15.199
monorail. That's the one that's one
of those iconic ones that it's just it's

1089
01:05:15.239 --> 01:05:18.039
just so memorable. Yeah, and
I didn't really I didn't realize it was

1090
01:05:18.039 --> 01:05:20.440
called this one. I searched Simpson's
Lord of the Flyers and it was das

1091
01:05:20.559 --> 01:05:25.280
Bus. Dast Bus is fantastic.
Yeah, or rescue by let's say,

1092
01:05:25.360 --> 01:05:32.440
mo King of the Hill. The
only reason for that one is because you

1093
01:05:32.519 --> 01:05:35.440
know when you have certain food on
TV that really makes you like you really

1094
01:05:35.480 --> 01:05:41.280
want to eat it. That spaghetti
protein bar that he does whenever I see

1095
01:05:42.119 --> 01:05:45.960
looks so good. So for that
little nod for that. But I found

1096
01:05:46.280 --> 01:05:48.199
a recipe online for that, which
is I don't know how it was a

1097
01:05:48.239 --> 01:05:50.320
recipe on line. When I was
searching for it, it showed me someone

1098
01:05:50.440 --> 01:05:55.039
made one. I was like,
it's not quite the same, but yeah,

1099
01:05:55.039 --> 01:05:58.320
I was go a Treehouse of Horror. They're all great, but I

1100
01:05:58.440 --> 01:06:01.559
like the I really like the Edgar
Poe one, but also the snake snake

1101
01:06:01.599 --> 01:06:08.039
Hair one is brilliant. And I
really think Carl the Pa Simpson and Delilah,

1102
01:06:08.119 --> 01:06:11.119
I really like Carl the Pa.
I think his voice is incredible,

1103
01:06:11.320 --> 01:06:15.800
so underrated, have you I see
it as as Carl is so great.

1104
01:06:15.159 --> 01:06:17.880
Yeah, he's brilliant. All right, well's a good it's a good five.

1105
01:06:17.920 --> 01:06:21.280
What about you, Ben, We
we have none of the same,

1106
01:06:21.360 --> 01:06:26.599
which is cool. And these are
ones. I picked these five before I

1107
01:06:26.679 --> 01:06:30.760
looked online for additional episodes because I
could easily have picked fifteen. So we're

1108
01:06:30.760 --> 01:06:33.559
starting off with the b Sharps.
As a big Beatles fan, I approve

1109
01:06:33.800 --> 01:06:38.480
it's just so much fun. Then
we're moving on to two dozen and one

1110
01:06:38.559 --> 01:06:44.159
Greyhounds, where mister Burns tries to
make the greyhound suit mister Plow. Then

1111
01:06:44.239 --> 01:06:46.880
we go into the way we was
just always remember, all right, all

1112
01:06:46.960 --> 01:06:49.400
right, I'll walk in the mud. Yeah, that same way that I'm

1113
01:06:49.400 --> 01:06:51.360
gonna hug you in Kisse. You'll
never let you go. It's just so

1114
01:06:51.519 --> 01:06:56.119
sweet, isn't it? So good? So good? And then we're finishing

1115
01:06:56.280 --> 01:07:00.400
on Flaming Mos, which again became
just so much fun to have a mo

1116
01:07:00.559 --> 01:07:02.440
one in that homer at the top
and at the end of finding Mos with

1117
01:07:02.519 --> 01:07:05.159
his gown over half over his face. It's just one of the most funniest

1118
01:07:05.239 --> 01:07:11.239
visuals ever. You were mentioned that
you love the emotional endings, how you're

1119
01:07:11.239 --> 01:07:13.079
going the way he was? I
thought you might have thrown in and make

1120
01:07:13.119 --> 01:07:15.119
you make three. They do it
for her. That seems to be the

1121
01:07:15.159 --> 01:07:17.960
one everyone talks about now. It
would Yeah, if I had gone with

1122
01:07:18.079 --> 01:07:20.440
my then googled ones, it would
one hundred percent of been on there.

1123
01:07:20.480 --> 01:07:26.440
And also, yeah, the is
it the Joe? No, Marg Marge

1124
01:07:26.480 --> 01:07:30.679
be not proud and a Millhouse Divided
always kind of stuck with me as well

1125
01:07:30.599 --> 01:07:33.639
because Kurt van Outen is such a
funny character as well. The best part

1126
01:07:33.639 --> 01:07:38.719
about Millhouse Divided is they were willing
to separate these two characters and at the

1127
01:07:38.920 --> 01:07:42.000
end they didn't get back together.
That's the bit I love you. Yeah,

1128
01:07:42.079 --> 01:07:44.000
yeah, yeah, It's like they
set up like, oh, you

1129
01:07:44.039 --> 01:07:46.119
know, he's singing the song for
It's all happy ending against She's gonna leave

1130
01:07:46.159 --> 01:07:48.119
this big ladiator go and got back
with Kirk. She's like, no,

1131
01:07:49.039 --> 01:07:53.760
I don't like you. It's like
that's life, you know. They split

1132
01:07:53.840 --> 01:07:59.760
up for a reason. Alright,
But let's talk about I could murder a

1133
01:07:59.840 --> 01:08:02.000
podcast. So yeah, basically you
mentioned how you did you still use you

1134
01:08:02.079 --> 01:08:05.199
launched it over covid? Is that
what you said? Yes, yeah,

1135
01:08:05.320 --> 01:08:09.639
kind of at the height of the
first lockdown, or when things first started

1136
01:08:09.639 --> 01:08:11.920
to ease up slightly that we could
be in the same room as one another.

1137
01:08:12.440 --> 01:08:15.480
We'd always wanted to do something,
and we were both kind of still

1138
01:08:15.519 --> 01:08:18.039
working through the pandemic, but we
had a bit of spare time. We

1139
01:08:18.199 --> 01:08:21.640
both got kind of drunk and tried
to rip off another YouTube channel, which

1140
01:08:21.640 --> 01:08:27.479
is Hummy's VR comedy, and instead
of playing virtual reality games, they use

1141
01:08:27.520 --> 01:08:31.159
the games as platforms to do improv
comedy and they use the characters and they

1142
01:08:31.239 --> 01:08:34.119
film from their headsets and it's so
so good. It's very niche, but

1143
01:08:34.199 --> 01:08:38.640
so so good. We wanted to
do our own version, but we quickly

1144
01:08:38.720 --> 01:08:42.479
realized we get terrible motion sickness,
so we went with Plan B. Tom

1145
01:08:42.520 --> 01:08:45.760
had the name. We were both
always into our true crime and yeah,

1146
01:08:45.800 --> 01:08:51.079
the rest is kind of history for
now. Any particular crime that you invest

1147
01:08:51.119 --> 01:08:56.159
yourself in more than others, well, well, I think nowadays what definitely

1148
01:08:56.159 --> 01:08:59.119
with the podcast, I enjoy the
light moments of it, or being able

1149
01:08:59.159 --> 01:09:01.359
to be like in the podcast,
which is the bits why I find it

1150
01:09:01.479 --> 01:09:04.560
fun. And I think we had
the most fun with doing the ones that

1151
01:09:04.600 --> 01:09:10.159
are mysteries or ones that happened so
long ago, they don't feel real.

1152
01:09:10.560 --> 01:09:12.960
Now you feel like, oh,
you feel like in a safer zone,

1153
01:09:13.039 --> 01:09:16.000
to be a bit walk the line
a bit more in terms of having a

1154
01:09:16.039 --> 01:09:18.399
few jokes. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, that's the word. But a

1155
01:09:18.520 --> 01:09:21.640
mystery ones, I think it's always
good to speculate and discuss between ourselves what

1156
01:09:21.720 --> 01:09:27.279
we think might have actually happened.
I think then, yeah, I don't

1157
01:09:27.279 --> 01:09:30.760
know, some random ones really like
Again or ed Guyn, however you want

1158
01:09:30.760 --> 01:09:34.680
to say it. That one was
actually very enjoyable because it was so grotesque.

1159
01:09:34.680 --> 01:09:38.840
It just felt like a horror film. But yeah, mystery ones are

1160
01:09:38.840 --> 01:09:42.079
great. Wasn't that the text has
changed on Messaco? Wasn't it based on

1161
01:09:42.159 --> 01:09:45.319
him? Yeah? Yeah, definitely
played a big part in the family.

1162
01:09:45.319 --> 01:09:48.119
Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. Yeah. I mean there's so many

1163
01:09:48.159 --> 01:09:51.399
cases we've done that do feel that
way. I think it's tricky because in

1164
01:09:53.279 --> 01:09:57.600
our world it's you're either a super
serious facts facts, facts, facts,

1165
01:09:57.680 --> 01:10:00.520
dates, dates, date states,
this is what happened. Or there are

1166
01:10:00.600 --> 01:10:03.520
ones that are really loose and actually
take the piss in quite an offensive way

1167
01:10:03.800 --> 01:10:09.720
some of them, and we're somewhere
in the middle. Floating around. We're

1168
01:10:09.800 --> 01:10:12.319
kind of like a mid morning you
can have a bath and listen to us.

1169
01:10:12.640 --> 01:10:15.279
Nothing bad is going to happen.
We try and when it does get

1170
01:10:15.319 --> 01:10:19.560
a bit too intense, the light
relief is usually at my expense or you

1171
01:10:19.680 --> 01:10:23.520
know, any weird niche references.
We can go down, but it's we

1172
01:10:23.640 --> 01:10:26.960
try and make it light where we
can so that it's more digestible, because

1173
01:10:27.000 --> 01:10:29.520
some of these cases are really heavy. I think a lot of people have

1174
01:10:29.600 --> 01:10:32.079
said that it's like they can't listen
to true crime because they find it either

1175
01:10:32.119 --> 01:10:35.279
triggering or they find it really hard. And we're kind of a bit like,

1176
01:10:35.319 --> 01:10:38.239
because we have the light moments,
we kind of break it up a

1177
01:10:38.279 --> 01:10:41.000
little bit. I'm sure that's a
bit some people find really frustrating because they

1178
01:10:41.000 --> 01:10:43.319
want us to just to carry on
and get into it. But at the

1179
01:10:43.399 --> 01:10:45.359
same time, yeah, I wouldn't
do it if it's just been serious the

1180
01:10:45.399 --> 01:10:49.680
whole time. But I do think
us doing it on YouTube, that's where

1181
01:10:49.720 --> 01:10:51.960
you get the comments from people going, oh, it's not always wanting to

1182
01:10:53.000 --> 01:10:55.239
get on with it. That's why
I think a lot of the more kind

1183
01:10:55.279 --> 01:10:59.079
of the more crude ones that take
the piss a lot more. They just

1184
01:10:59.119 --> 01:11:00.680
don't do visuals, so they still
on audio, and you know, then

1185
01:11:00.720 --> 01:11:03.680
no one can really comment in a
public space and they can get away of

1186
01:11:03.720 --> 01:11:06.199
it a lot more. But we
put ourselves in the fire and line a

1187
01:11:06.239 --> 01:11:10.279
little bit. I was just interested
to know that how did you guys go

1188
01:11:10.840 --> 01:11:15.000
into it, going how do we
differentiate ourself from every other true crime podcast

1189
01:11:15.039 --> 01:11:18.239
because there's so many of them.
Yeah, that's true, and every every

1190
01:11:18.319 --> 01:11:21.560
case is being covered by at least
one of them. So for us it

1191
01:11:21.640 --> 01:11:25.319
was I mean even in our early
time on YouTube, that was when we

1192
01:11:25.439 --> 01:11:29.119
were so stoked when you reached out
because in our first couple of series on

1193
01:11:29.239 --> 01:11:31.680
YouTube, we put up a lot
of visual gags and a few of them

1194
01:11:31.760 --> 01:11:35.720
were Simpsons ones. So Tom was
like, oh, we were He made

1195
01:11:35.760 --> 01:11:39.880
a joke and then was like,
oh that's good, squishy and a little

1196
01:11:40.279 --> 01:11:44.199
a little cup of so niche.
No one's watching true crime looking for Simpsons

1197
01:11:44.239 --> 01:11:47.279
references, but that was our kind
of our thing. Everyone loves those,

1198
01:11:47.560 --> 01:11:50.479
but that honestly helps you find a
whole new audience. If you can work

1199
01:11:50.520 --> 01:11:56.119
in Simpsons references, you're there.
Well, we did every series that we

1200
01:11:56.199 --> 01:11:59.319
do, we do an audience vote
and we just did the one our audience

1201
01:11:59.399 --> 01:12:02.760
vote last week and someone even commented
who shot mister Burns? Cover that case?

1202
01:12:02.800 --> 01:12:04.880
Who shot mister Burns? Cover that
case? And so we mentioned we're

1203
01:12:04.880 --> 01:12:08.880
coming on with you, which was
super pumped about. But I think it's

1204
01:12:09.039 --> 01:12:13.640
just we've we try and do it
slightly different. We try and interject where

1205
01:12:13.680 --> 01:12:16.680
we can a little bit of light
relief or make it more digestible, and

1206
01:12:16.800 --> 01:12:20.800
that's and it's that's kind of separated
us for now from a few other podcasts,

1207
01:12:20.800 --> 01:12:25.399
which has been nice. Have you
ever considered doing who Shot Mister Burns

1208
01:12:25.560 --> 01:12:29.840
as a serious case but having a
different killer, just putting your own spin

1209
01:12:29.920 --> 01:12:31.520
on it. That would be so
much fun. That would be fun.

1210
01:12:31.600 --> 01:12:34.199
Definitely would be fun. Yeah,
and yeah, we could go kind of

1211
01:12:34.319 --> 01:12:38.000
urn with it. I mean,
yeah, that could be That could be

1212
01:12:38.079 --> 01:12:43.560
cool. I've got three order thousand
followers who might be interested in watching in

1213
01:12:43.640 --> 01:12:47.600
that case, It's yeah, I
think it's in the works. But we

1214
01:12:47.720 --> 01:12:50.680
have interesting I think that's probably what
Tom's about to say. We've covered cases

1215
01:12:50.880 --> 01:12:57.239
that are who Done It? Where
there's you know, someone that's sadly being

1216
01:12:57.359 --> 01:13:01.199
murdered, and yeah, there are
four or five family members, strangers,

1217
01:13:01.359 --> 01:13:05.800
work, colleagues, ex lovers and
it's still unsolved, or there's someone been

1218
01:13:05.840 --> 01:13:10.920
wrongfully imprisoned or rightfully in prison,
and those cases are always the most fascinating

1219
01:13:10.920 --> 01:13:15.920
ones because everyone has a different opinion
and really strong different opinion, which I

1220
01:13:15.000 --> 01:13:18.520
think, again was such a cool
thing about these Simpsons episodes is that everyone

1221
01:13:18.600 --> 01:13:23.800
had a different person in mind.
No one had Maggie, No nobody.

1222
01:13:24.159 --> 01:13:28.600
Yeah, is there any case off
of it to you, any type of

1223
01:13:28.680 --> 01:13:30.479
case? Well, yeah, But
one of the ones that Ben definitely had

1224
01:13:30.520 --> 01:13:34.439
on his list was it was one
that we got voted in the public vote,

1225
01:13:34.680 --> 01:13:38.920
so it kind of were ham strong
and we had to kind of cover

1226
01:13:39.039 --> 01:13:43.600
it. I've kind of been open
to whatever case really just because I felt

1227
01:13:43.640 --> 01:13:46.600
like we've covered so we've covered an
absolute breadth of ones from you know,

1228
01:13:47.079 --> 01:13:50.920
school shootings to like in Watkins Jimmy
staff, all that kind of stuff,

1229
01:13:50.920 --> 01:13:55.359
and they feel like we kind of
not because I think we've did not desensitize

1230
01:13:55.399 --> 01:13:57.760
ourselves. We still get like,
you know, mostly affected by the episodes.

1231
01:13:57.800 --> 01:14:01.239
But and a lot of times we
when filming them, we'll crack jokes

1232
01:14:01.319 --> 01:14:04.439
to each other that don't make the
episode to kind of loosen the vibe a

1233
01:14:04.520 --> 01:14:09.279
little bit and get us through some
dark bits, which I think helps us

1234
01:14:09.279 --> 01:14:12.119
definitely. But I think, no, I think is the ones we've covered.

1235
01:14:12.159 --> 01:14:15.439
I think that we're kind of open
to everything. There's ones that are

1236
01:14:15.560 --> 01:14:18.680
more interested in rather than a case
of being like I wouldn't want to cover

1237
01:14:18.800 --> 01:14:21.520
that for whatever reason. I think
the only thing that we ever do say

1238
01:14:21.600 --> 01:14:26.520
is kind off limits is if someone
requests a case that happened a month ago,

1239
01:14:26.720 --> 01:14:29.199
a few weeks ago, something that's
very prominent in the news, because

1240
01:14:29.199 --> 01:14:31.239
we don't have all the facts yet, it's very reactionary. There are a

1241
01:14:31.279 --> 01:14:34.199
lot of channels that do do that
type of thing and like an overview and

1242
01:14:34.239 --> 01:14:38.760
interject their opinions on new you know, recent news. There's been so much

1243
01:14:38.760 --> 01:14:42.399
in the news today about terrible things
that have happened in Sweden and Austria,

1244
01:14:43.199 --> 01:14:46.600
but especially if it's a murder case, we have to wait until we have

1245
01:14:46.640 --> 01:14:51.039
all of our facts, until it's
not so emotionally fresh that people might view

1246
01:14:51.119 --> 01:14:54.760
us as trying to cash in on
that kind of situation, which is just

1247
01:14:55.039 --> 01:14:57.159
not what we're about at all.
So that's the only thing I'd say,

1248
01:14:57.159 --> 01:15:00.680
Like, really recent events is kind
of things we typically tried to avoid.

1249
01:15:00.039 --> 01:15:02.800
I was just better to ask you, do you ever watch the news days

1250
01:15:02.880 --> 01:15:05.640
days and just go we can do
a show on that. But do you

1251
01:15:05.680 --> 01:15:11.359
watch the news now and go three
years from now? Yeah? The Titan

1252
01:15:11.520 --> 01:15:15.560
submersible. Do you remember that a
year ago? Two years ago? How

1253
01:15:15.600 --> 01:15:18.720
could you not? Yeah? Well
that's well. One of the Simpsons,

1254
01:15:18.760 --> 01:15:21.960
one of the classic Simpsons rids Mike
Race, went on that it was all

1255
01:15:23.000 --> 01:15:26.640
over the news as a result.
Wow. Yeah, I mean there was

1256
01:15:26.720 --> 01:15:30.640
content made about that the day,
well before it had even been discovered what

1257
01:15:30.760 --> 01:15:32.239
had happened. There were so many
people making content about it. But I

1258
01:15:32.359 --> 01:15:36.319
still feel it's very fresh for the
families and investigations still going on. But

1259
01:15:36.479 --> 01:15:42.479
I would again I find that situation
harrowing but fascinating. But there's as you

1260
01:15:42.520 --> 01:15:45.039
said, there was news news alerts
today, there was a school in Sweden

1261
01:15:45.119 --> 01:15:49.800
that something terrible happened in. There'll
be people wanting content about that, but

1262
01:15:49.920 --> 01:15:54.720
it's just that's kind of not our
not our thing. And then mass shootings

1263
01:15:54.840 --> 01:16:00.560
or incidents like that, especially when
it's kids, it's they always slightly difficult

1264
01:16:00.600 --> 01:16:04.680
to talk about and research thoroughly and
they've been the most challenging ones to deliver,

1265
01:16:04.760 --> 01:16:08.760
Tom, I think, I mean, they're all challenging, but yeah,

1266
01:16:08.800 --> 01:16:12.359
I'm fully agree with you. I
think it's it's it's because I agree

1267
01:16:12.359 --> 01:16:14.239
with you as well, but the
news stuff. But it's like, we

1268
01:16:14.600 --> 01:16:16.720
can't we can't monetize it straight away, but we can monetize it in two

1269
01:16:16.760 --> 01:16:20.119
years time. It still feels a
little bit like that. It's problematic in

1270
01:16:20.199 --> 01:16:24.359
itself, but yeah, it's more
because it's fresh, and you know,

1271
01:16:24.439 --> 01:16:27.439
we don't want to say anything or
if someone's been accused of something and you

1272
01:16:27.560 --> 01:16:31.199
know early on and it proved not
to be the case. But yeah,

1273
01:16:31.279 --> 01:16:35.279
it's tricky. But I think one
thing that one of the best comments we

1274
01:16:35.359 --> 01:16:39.359
get from people is just people saying
they watch it and they've you know,

1275
01:16:39.359 --> 01:16:42.399
they've heard this case a million times, but they've learned something new from us,

1276
01:16:42.560 --> 01:16:45.239
or they enjoy they listen to it
and they want to watch it again

1277
01:16:45.279 --> 01:16:48.159
as well, and we give them
a slightly different experience watching it. I

1278
01:16:48.239 --> 01:16:51.600
think that's always the kind of nice
comments we get about them. But yeah,

1279
01:16:51.640 --> 01:16:54.880
I think it has to be a
little bit time past before we can

1280
01:16:54.960 --> 01:16:57.479
jump on it. But it's for
two reasons. Like you said, obviously

1281
01:16:57.520 --> 01:17:00.800
it's a bit too raw being so
reasonable. I like the idea of we

1282
01:17:00.840 --> 01:17:02.399
don't have all the facts yet.
You can't do a full, complete deep

1283
01:17:02.439 --> 01:17:05.840
dive unless you've got no pun intended, all the facts on for example,

1284
01:17:06.000 --> 01:17:10.039
the subversa and things like that.
You know, because there was a lot

1285
01:17:10.079 --> 01:17:13.960
of people making apologies after the actual
reasoning came out. Everyone was like,

1286
01:17:14.039 --> 01:17:16.479
ah, we'll cracking jokes and things
we probably shouldn't have been. Yeah,

1287
01:17:16.640 --> 01:17:19.760
yeah, it was luckily nothing.
We've not had to do any kind of

1288
01:17:19.800 --> 01:17:26.600
apology yet, but yeah, I
can completely understand how that, how how

1289
01:17:26.640 --> 01:17:29.800
that does happen, And yeah,
we want to get our facts right,

1290
01:17:29.840 --> 01:17:32.600
as Tom said we would. We
would hate to get something incorrect or misrepresent

1291
01:17:32.720 --> 01:17:36.079
a person that is, you know, innocent of something where we're not.

1292
01:17:36.319 --> 01:17:40.079
We're not. We're not about that
at all. Have you ever started a

1293
01:17:40.279 --> 01:17:43.920
crime particular sort of episode of story
and just gone halfway through and went just

1294
01:17:44.039 --> 01:17:46.920
not feeling it. I just can't
continue with this one or say our first

1295
01:17:46.960 --> 01:17:50.479
episode was a real struggle because it
was just it was absolutely terrible when it

1296
01:17:50.479 --> 01:17:54.600
took about five hours to get get
through it. But because we had in

1297
01:17:54.640 --> 01:17:58.479
their structure whatsoever. But apart from
that, I don't I don't know.

1298
01:17:58.600 --> 01:18:02.840
I think this one is that I'm
less ged about. And then usually those

1299
01:18:02.880 --> 01:18:05.399
ones, to be fair surprise me
when we actually film them and we discuss

1300
01:18:05.479 --> 01:18:10.399
them. But there's never been one
that we've gone like started it or researching

1301
01:18:10.479 --> 01:18:14.960
it and gone Now. We have
bailed on a couple maybe season finishes and

1302
01:18:15.119 --> 01:18:17.039
changed them because we thought maybe they're
not a strong, stronger clothes we like

1303
01:18:17.079 --> 01:18:19.479
to use to go for a bit
of a curveball at the end of the

1304
01:18:19.560 --> 01:18:25.880
series. But yeah, I don't
know. I think because we have such

1305
01:18:25.920 --> 01:18:28.560
a long time as well, where
we have usually have two or three months

1306
01:18:28.600 --> 01:18:30.560
between the series, we have a
good time to kind of vet out the

1307
01:18:30.640 --> 01:18:34.000
ones that we think and not quite
up to what we want to do.

1308
01:18:34.640 --> 01:18:38.479
Was that a deliberate choice going into
it, not a weekly thing. We're

1309
01:18:38.479 --> 01:18:41.520
doing this season by season so we
don't burn ourselves out or Yeah, we

1310
01:18:41.600 --> 01:18:45.600
started with six episodes the first series, and then we yead doubled that and

1311
01:18:45.720 --> 01:18:47.920
then when we decided we're not going
to do visual for a series, I

1312
01:18:47.960 --> 01:18:50.960
thought our people will probably be a
bit pissed off. Let's do eighteen,

1313
01:18:51.119 --> 01:18:54.720
which I think everyone hated me for
after doing it because it was like,

1314
01:18:54.840 --> 01:18:57.439
yeah, there's a long, a
long our stretch, but I think,

1315
01:18:57.720 --> 01:19:00.039
yeah, it works nicely and are
kind of like twelve on twelve off.

1316
01:19:00.560 --> 01:19:03.680
But we still do minnesotes every week
on our website. So we do and

1317
01:19:03.760 --> 01:19:06.239
they're like forty minutes long as well, and we do that. There's over

1318
01:19:06.279 --> 01:19:09.880
one hundred and fifty on there now, so like, even though we have

1319
01:19:09.920 --> 01:19:14.640
a break, it's still not a
break break. And yeah, those ones

1320
01:19:14.680 --> 01:19:17.640
are always good, so you tease
them with the seasons. But if you

1321
01:19:17.640 --> 01:19:20.000
want to get weekly content, you've
got to be a subscriber. That's the

1322
01:19:20.079 --> 01:19:23.920
key. Yeah, yeah, I
love that. My marketing brain is like,

1323
01:19:24.000 --> 01:19:29.319
yes, that's how it works.
So with let's talk about so the

1324
01:19:29.359 --> 01:19:31.279
website. I've noticed, so what
do you we use Patreon, which I'm

1325
01:19:31.319 --> 01:19:35.079
trying to get away from me and
it's not really liking the platform of Patreont

1326
01:19:35.119 --> 01:19:39.479
the moment. What do you guys
use as a platform for subscribers fourth Wall.

1327
01:19:40.560 --> 01:19:43.319
There's a little they did a little
video on us the other day which

1328
01:19:43.800 --> 01:19:45.520
it might be might be a few
for you to watch, but we basically

1329
01:19:45.560 --> 01:19:48.880
have some problems with Patreon, and
we didn't quite like how they did certain

1330
01:19:48.920 --> 01:19:53.720
things, and fourth Wall has been
really ideal in terms of how they've been

1331
01:19:53.840 --> 01:19:57.760
really responsive to everything, even open
to suggestion if you suggest certain things.

1332
01:19:58.279 --> 01:20:01.560
And as well for us it was
merch because you can basically they deal at

1333
01:20:01.600 --> 01:20:04.479
the shipping and stuff like that,
so we could make things. They'll deal

1334
01:20:04.479 --> 01:20:08.319
with the ship in if you don't
need to print loads in one time,

1335
01:20:08.359 --> 01:20:13.279
the print individual for individual orders.
But they've been great for what we've needed.

1336
01:20:13.319 --> 01:20:15.880
And yeah, it's been kind of
seamless going from Patreon to there.

1337
01:20:17.000 --> 01:20:21.039
Patreon has just found quite buggy with
certain elements. Yeah, really glitchy.

1338
01:20:21.199 --> 01:20:25.880
Every month there were some just some
strange things happening. But we've not had

1339
01:20:25.880 --> 01:20:29.560
that issue since going to Fourth Form
and we have more control and people get

1340
01:20:29.640 --> 01:20:33.000
way more value for their money now, So the feedback has been pretty pretty

1341
01:20:33.000 --> 01:20:35.319
good. It's been a pretty seamless
What has been about a year and a

1342
01:20:35.359 --> 01:20:39.239
half two years now that we ditch
Patreon, I think so, Yeah,

1343
01:20:39.560 --> 01:20:42.840
did you find it was subscribe as
drop off or was a transition Today you're

1344
01:20:42.840 --> 01:20:45.239
just jump ship all of them at
the same time. When you when you

1345
01:20:45.359 --> 01:20:48.640
when you move platforms. We've done
the video. We did a video saying

1346
01:20:48.720 --> 01:20:55.079
basically, we're moving website and then
we still nowadays even get the old person

1347
01:20:55.159 --> 01:20:57.960
signent to patroon, but who we
guess is watching a really old episode of

1348
01:20:58.039 --> 01:21:00.600
US and they're seeing us advertising pay, which is a bit crap, but

1349
01:21:00.720 --> 01:21:03.600
we do say still the first video
they can see is we've moved over.

1350
01:21:04.079 --> 01:21:06.720
So yeah, people stayed. Kind
of think people just forget about when they

1351
01:21:06.720 --> 01:21:10.039
subscribe to a Patreon. They said
they stayed there for ages and it was

1352
01:21:10.079 --> 01:21:13.520
twindling down, but the numbers picked
up kind of the switcher rouge over to

1353
01:21:13.560 --> 01:21:15.319
the other side. It wasn't too
long to hit kind of where we're out

1354
01:21:15.359 --> 01:21:19.880
on Patreon, but they had the
numbers slowly went away. Patron's kind of

1355
01:21:19.920 --> 01:21:23.600
just been a little like, I
don't know, a little pot of people

1356
01:21:23.640 --> 01:21:28.239
that slowly just dwindled. But yeah, it's been been fairly seamless. Is

1357
01:21:28.279 --> 01:21:30.640
there anything exciting coming up? Say? Exciting and it's crime, but the

1358
01:21:30.760 --> 01:21:33.720
anything big stories coming up in the
next season that we should tease here,

1359
01:21:34.319 --> 01:21:39.359
Oh we have where when is this
likely to go out? When would you

1360
01:21:39.439 --> 01:21:45.880
like it to go out? Whenever? Whenever's good for you. So our

1361
01:21:45.479 --> 01:21:48.960
our next episode is nine to eleven, which is for us. Oh wow,

1362
01:21:49.159 --> 01:21:53.680
it's a bit heavy, big case. I'm assuming you haven't announced that

1363
01:21:53.800 --> 01:21:57.279
yet, so I'll wait till you've
announced it before we put this. Yeah,

1364
01:21:57.560 --> 01:22:00.640
so we're we'll be announcing that.
What when we be announcing that time?

1365
01:22:01.479 --> 01:22:06.600
Early April? Now, it'll be
next Friday. Yeah, so Friday,

1366
01:22:06.760 --> 01:22:13.399
Yeah, not too far away.
Next. That's just we've frowned as

1367
01:22:13.439 --> 01:22:15.560
well, Like we our episodes tend
to fall randomly in line with either twenty

1368
01:22:15.600 --> 01:22:19.880
five anniversary or whatever when we've been
doing them, and we originally were doing

1369
01:22:19.960 --> 01:22:24.079
series nine, episode twelve, it's
going to be nine to eleven, and

1370
01:22:24.159 --> 01:22:27.279
we thought, let's just see season
nine, episode eleven as nine to eleven

1371
01:22:27.279 --> 01:22:30.600
because that makes a lot of sense. It's just fallen that way. Yeah,

1372
01:22:30.920 --> 01:22:32.359
I feel like nine eleven is something
you could do an entire season on.

1373
01:22:32.399 --> 01:22:35.760
There's just so many stories there.
Oh yeah, that's that's a really

1374
01:22:35.800 --> 01:22:40.600
tricky thing. When we get a
giant case that other podcasts have done,

1375
01:22:40.760 --> 01:22:44.720
Yeah, the whole series on.
There are cases we've covered that literally podcasts

1376
01:22:44.760 --> 01:22:49.439
have been made about that case in
particular that have multiple series regarding so yeah,

1377
01:22:49.760 --> 01:22:54.039
it's quite daunting when we have to
condense certain cases. So nine to

1378
01:22:54.039 --> 01:22:58.279
eleven we're going to lean in towards
the end a bit more to the conspiracies

1379
01:22:58.840 --> 01:23:02.319
and exploring not that necessarily we buy
into them, but we feel that that

1380
01:23:02.479 --> 01:23:05.760
there'll be some good conversations there.
We'll go through the timeline of events in

1381
01:23:05.800 --> 01:23:10.720
the background, but there's so much
you could add to that in terms of

1382
01:23:10.720 --> 01:23:14.399
the aftermath, the impact it had
on the world. So that's going to

1383
01:23:14.399 --> 01:23:16.560
be really hard to kind of condense
what could be several hours into you know,

1384
01:23:16.720 --> 01:23:19.199
an hour and a half. I
buy into the conspiracies a bit.

1385
01:23:19.840 --> 01:23:21.840
I feel like you kind of have
to sometimes when you do in a true

1386
01:23:21.840 --> 01:23:26.000
crime, right, you have to
at least be open minded. Oh yeah,

1387
01:23:26.079 --> 01:23:29.000
completely, Yeah, my mind is
open on it though. Oh really,

1388
01:23:29.199 --> 01:23:33.800
Okay, that sounds like a little
brag. Well, producer Dan as

1389
01:23:33.800 --> 01:23:42.600
Well is coming into this as a
former conspiracy theorist. Warmers he smoked he

1390
01:23:42.640 --> 01:23:49.680
smoked weed once once, the one
time it really really got him. But

1391
01:23:49.840 --> 01:23:53.439
he's yeah, he's gone like on
the full journey of Yeah, no,

1392
01:23:53.600 --> 01:23:57.640
the structure should not have melted away
like that, and it shouldn't happen like

1393
01:23:57.680 --> 01:24:00.720
this, The Devil's Faces in the
Clouds, Yeah, exactly. Yeah,

1394
01:24:01.239 --> 01:24:05.720
so we're going to explore his journey
as well. But yeah, we've got

1395
01:24:05.760 --> 01:24:09.560
a bunch of big episodes, and
yeah, we kind of mix it up

1396
01:24:09.560 --> 01:24:13.720
a little bit in terms of disaster. It's all quite gloomy stuff. Disasters,

1397
01:24:13.840 --> 01:24:16.960
kidnappings, mysteries. What other kind
of out there ones have we done

1398
01:24:17.000 --> 01:24:21.399
Tom that are a bit different Michael
Jackson, Michael Jackson, Yeah, which

1399
01:24:21.439 --> 01:24:25.439
that No, he did one on
Michael Jackson well yeah, yeah, and

1400
01:24:25.560 --> 01:24:30.319
that's actually probably the one that's caused
the most controversy because they're still obviously a

1401
01:24:30.439 --> 01:24:32.880
great deal of his fans that are
very passionate. We tried to be very

1402
01:24:32.960 --> 01:24:38.039
impartial down the line with it.
This is what people believe on the guilty

1403
01:24:38.039 --> 01:24:40.319
party, this is what people believe
on the innocent party, and this is

1404
01:24:40.439 --> 01:24:42.960
you know, kind of what people
believe in the middle, and it still

1405
01:24:43.079 --> 01:24:45.880
upset a lot of people that are
huge fans of him. Yeah. I

1406
01:24:45.960 --> 01:24:49.039
find also when we do when we
do anything on an in cell, then

1407
01:24:49.119 --> 01:24:53.640
the in cells come for us a
little bit. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

1408
01:24:53.640 --> 01:24:59.159
that's always fun. I love making
people piercing people are for the right

1409
01:24:59.239 --> 01:25:00.880
reasons. Is that as I put
it. Yeah, but we just did

1410
01:25:00.920 --> 01:25:04.840
our review revisit of Stark Raving Dad, the episode that they took down featuring

1411
01:25:04.840 --> 01:25:09.439
Michael Jackson of the Simpsons, and
I never realized until I did the research

1412
01:25:09.479 --> 01:25:12.720
for the episode. They didn't just
take it down because of docco Al Jean.

1413
01:25:13.239 --> 01:25:16.079
The show runner took it down because
he thought that Michael Jackson was using

1414
01:25:16.119 --> 01:25:20.640
the episode to groom children, so
he wanted to guest star and thought he

1415
01:25:20.760 --> 01:25:24.319
approached them so you can go on
this show that kids watch, so that

1416
01:25:24.399 --> 01:25:27.800
he can get them to his ranch
and showed them the episode and groomed them

1417
01:25:27.800 --> 01:25:30.800
with it. I thought, I've
never seen it that way before, but

1418
01:25:30.920 --> 01:25:34.680
now I can't unsee it. Yeah, yeah, that's I had Lisa,

1419
01:25:34.720 --> 01:25:38.119
It's your birthday in my head earlier, but now I feel bad about that.

1420
01:25:38.439 --> 01:25:43.760
Yeah that's dirty, right, Yeah
yeah, but yeah, it's a

1421
01:25:43.800 --> 01:25:45.680
great episode. So you check that
out on the feet as well. But

1422
01:25:45.720 --> 01:25:47.159
yeah, guys, thank you so
much again for joining me here. It's

1423
01:25:47.199 --> 01:25:50.279
been fantastic. Finally make this happen. But before we go, tell us

1424
01:25:50.279 --> 01:25:53.720
where can we find all of your
stuff? So your website, your socials,

1425
01:25:54.000 --> 01:25:55.720
let's have it, okay, thank
you so yeah, no, thank

1426
01:25:55.720 --> 01:25:57.920
you so much for having us.
Thank you for waking up super early as

1427
01:25:57.960 --> 01:26:01.720
well. We really do appreciate that. So you can find us at well

1428
01:26:01.840 --> 01:26:05.800
at could Murder a pod for all
the socials, and then on YouTube or

1429
01:26:05.920 --> 01:26:12.520
Spotify just search icmap and then our
website is icmap dot co dot uk where

1430
01:26:12.920 --> 01:26:15.800
yeah, we got hundreds of episodes
and minnesotes over there and yeah, range

1431
01:26:15.840 --> 01:26:19.119
of different subjects if you're interested in
any and maybe one day we will do

1432
01:26:19.239 --> 01:26:23.920
the who shot mister Burns real life
conspiracy that you guys want to again in

1433
01:26:23.960 --> 01:26:26.279
all the best. Thank you so
much, Thank you may It's been a

1434
01:26:26.279 --> 01:26:34.800
pleasure. Cheers. Alrighty guys,
thanks again for checking out this week's show.

1435
01:26:34.800 --> 01:26:38.560
I'd love to hear your thoughts on
who shot mister Burns and just your

1436
01:26:38.640 --> 01:26:42.199
memories of first watching the episode and
who did you think it was that shot

1437
01:26:42.239 --> 01:26:44.680
mister Burns. I'd love to hear
from you, so you can contact us

1438
01:26:45.000 --> 01:26:47.079
at Simpson's Mailbag at gmail dot com
or be sure to get back to each

1439
01:26:47.079 --> 01:26:49.520
and every single one of you.
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1440
01:26:49.720 --> 01:26:53.439
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1441
01:26:53.479 --> 01:26:57.359
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01:26:57.439 --> 01:27:00.439
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1443
01:27:00.520 --> 01:27:03.640
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1444
01:27:03.680 --> 01:27:06.359
the way, since we finished season
eighteen, as we did our review if

1445
01:27:06.359 --> 01:27:10.439
you can always say what you want
last week. Next week you're gonna be

1446
01:27:10.439 --> 01:27:14.079
getting our usual season wrap up slash
top ten episodes of the season review with

1447
01:27:14.239 --> 01:27:17.479
Guy myself before we launch on into
season nineteen. Sore very excited about that

1448
01:27:17.600 --> 01:27:19.920
as well, but again, thank
you so much for tuning into the show.

1449
01:27:19.960 --> 01:27:23.760
Do appreciate all of your support and
I will catch you all next week. S