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day. We are joined today by
Kristin Hawkins. Once again, we're so

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glad to have Kristin here. She's, of course the president of Students for

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Life and Students for Life Action,
a pro life warrior if ever there were

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one. Kristin, thank you for
coming back on the show. Yes,

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thanks for having me. Of course, we're talking on Wednesday, so we

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are less than twenty four hours separated
from the disappointing although not surprising results on

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Issue one in Ohio. So,
Kristen, just before we kind of dive

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in all of the different dynamics,
I want to ask right now how you

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absorbed, how you have been absorbing
the results from Ohio. Any big takeaways

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from you that have come up in
the last twenty four hours. I mean,

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I'm full of takeaways here for the
pro life movement and most importantly for

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Republicans and the consultants class there in
Washington, d C. Who apparently doesn't

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know the definition of insanity. So
yeah, there's a lot of takeaways.

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I mean, you're right, we're
disappointed, but it was not a surprise

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the outcome in Ohio. You know, we knew going into this fight there

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was going to be an uphill battle. We knew August, for example,

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when the first issue one came up, which was the question for the ballot

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referendum of whether you know fifty percent
was all that was going to be needed

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or could we used could should that
be changed to be sixty percent which would

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somewhat prevent mob rule in Ohio and
these outside agents from flooding Ohio airwaves with

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miss leading TV ads, which we
knew was going to happen. And we

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saw very quickly then that it was
pretty much the her life movement that was

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it. It was it was cricket
from the GOP and the GOP establishment,

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and that's what we saw again,
and I think you know that's was extremely

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frustrating because when you think about or
even when you look at the numbers that

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were coming out of Ohio the New
and Virginia and Virginia Republicans, you know,

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they were out spent nine to one
in Ohio. The numbers I'm looking

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at right now say three to one, and I wagered much higher. Every

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single race that Republicans lost, they
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one last night was in the Mississippi
domantorial election. That's the only one w

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Republicans out fundraised the Democrats. And
so you know, that's a challenge when

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you have the Republican Party and the
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this head and the stand approach when
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fundraise, and it packs the grassroots, and it packs momentum. And you

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know, what we've heard for what
the last eighteen months since Dobbs hasn't been

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really this getting Democrats on the defense
of Democrats, forcing Democrats to actually say

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how extreme their position on abortion really
is. What we've been asked the whole

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conversation in the media and you know, in the in the private conversations within

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the Republican Party and conservative movement has
been how much abortion will of the GOP

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will the pro life movement accept,
as compared to how much abortion will Democrats

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allow? That script has to be
flipped. But it's more than just the

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pro life movement that needs to be
demanding this. We need our elected officials

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leading this charge because that's you know, when we think about leadership, it

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all rises and follows on leadership.
Yet the leadership of our party has been

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silent when it comes to this issue. It's a self fulfilling prophecy of the

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GP consulting class. It tells us
that abortion is a losing issue. The

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candidates, they're candidate who prays them, you know, tens of thousands of

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dollars, doesn't speak on abortion.
The candidate then loses because their opponent,

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the Democrat, defined them on the
issue. And then the consultant says,

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see, I told you abortion was
a losing issue. They need to stop

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this nonsense. I was asked earlier
today in an interview, if you know

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I really wanted the Republicans to double
down at this point hell. I just

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want them to down. I just
want them to be down with pro life

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messaging, to be very clear and
direct what the issue you know, for

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example, in Ohio, what issue
one would have been. You know,

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we were on campuses having these conversations. We weren't talking about parental rights.

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The other side, they're selling freedom. That's their product. It's not abortion.

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They don't want anyonet to talk about
abortion. They know it's a loser.

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Every time you pull later abortions,
it's still a loser. Uh,

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they're selling. That's what they're selling
is freedom, and so we're you know,

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we're selling can't just be preserving parental
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young people, which you know,
majority of whom don't even say they want

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to become parents, which, by
the way, is like a massive civilization

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crisis we're going to face in a
couple of decades. But for them,

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even the pro choice students we were
interacting with were working them and change our

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minds this issue by just simply exposing
how far issue one it was, how

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extreme it was. Even pro choice
students, when they were able to look

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at the texts, have the conversation, ask the questions, agreed, Yes,

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it goes too far. And you
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with our Institute for Pro Life Advancement
in front of a number of polls proves

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those young people who go to know, they got to know because they were

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against extremism of abortion that issue one
would allow, not because of some other

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you know, parental rights or whatever
issue the Republican consultants wanted us to use.

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Okay, so I cannot wait to
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deeper into all of that. There's
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we jump over there, I want
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the issue of abortion in Virginia Because
the narrative that's starting to congeal in built

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wast circles today is that Glenn Youngkins
did what the pro life movement counts candidates

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to do. And you still,
yeah, I'm gonna stop you right there,

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and we need to stop we use
the mainstream media from allowing that narrative.

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Can you name a pro life grassroots
organization or person who's ever advocated that

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they just want to allow nine now, but ten abortions to happen fifteen weeks

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is not a strategy of the pro
life movement never has been a strategy of

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the movement. It was a tactic
that legislators in Mississippi developed to send a

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challenge to the Supreme Court to challenge
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that the you know, some inside
the Beltway pro life consultants all disagreed with

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and told Mississippi not to do Mississippi
one ahead did it, We obviously sall

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row reverse And somehow it has developed
into this like, oh, this is

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what the pro life movement wants,
never in the pro lict movement's history.

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And we advocated for a fifteen week, four month prevention Act on abortion that

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would allow more than nine owvid ten
abortions to continue. I think what we

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saw in Virginia is demoralizing pro life
voters doesn't work. Trying to force value

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voters to quote like make peace with
more than nine out ten abortions makes no

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one happy. It's certainly not going
to turn out pro life firs to vote

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because no one, no one who's
pro life wants that. Why would we

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be fighting to allow nine out to
abortions to be to the left of France

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in polling shows we want you know, the prolarge movement once heartby abortion protection

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limits or better life a conception,
and that's certainly you know, a fifteen

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week you know, quote quote proposal
or compromise is not going to help win

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over pro abortion voters who advocate for
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you know, limitless in our states. It literally doesn't win anyone over.

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And I mean, I mean,
it's it's kind of like, I don't

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know, I'm thinking about twenty twelve
a little bit. It's kind of like

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admit Romney approach to the pro life
movement, and no one wants Met Romney.

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Nobody's ever really wanted Romney, I
mean really, I mean he's probably

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a lovely human being. But in
terms of a politician, I know,

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no one think about like whening Republicans
began to win when you had President Trump

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in twenty sixteen, who is unapologetic
in his views, because we had what

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we had Met Rodney, we had
John McCaine before that, and it was

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like this consensus, Oh, Republicans
are going to be these moderates in the

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room, who is drawn to this
quote unquote consensus position on these issues.

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It's a life or death issue.
This is not you know what's so devastating

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about what happened in Ohio is this
is not just like tax policy. My

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goodness, I wish it was just
about you know, dollars on the line.

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This is not about just dollars.
This is human These are human lives,

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tons of thousands of human lives that
were on the line yesterday that will

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be lost because as Virginia, you
know, Ohio voters were misled or mistakenly

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believed the you know, the laws
and the rhetoric of the abortion lobby that

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this wasn't really that bad, it
wasn't really that extreme. They're going to

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come to have buyers remorse on that, just like folks in Michigan are having

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right now. But I just I
just wanted to stop. Sorry, I

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didn't mean to be rude. I
didn't want to stop you off. But

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it's so frustrating when when I've been
I've been reading these articles. There was

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like last week, there was like
a National Catholic Registered article. There was

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a I think a Chuck Todd Heather
article in NBC. Uh, there was

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an I forget that, there was
a third article. It's like all one

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day that somehow the pro life movement
had had this like meeting and coalesced around

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fifteen weeks as a strategy when it's
not a strategy that the prolact movement has

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ever advocated for. And I mean, I'm I'm out there talking with pregnancy

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center leaders, grassroots activists who are
out praying it from abortion facilities, students

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PG. Thirteen. That's really interesting, for I have had zero caffeine today,

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just for can you imagine caffeine today? I truly would be frightened for

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your your heartbreak, but all the
listeners would be like slowed down, We

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can't hear anything. She said,
You know who needs caffeine when you have

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BELTWEG consultants to rag on And let's
dig into that, Kristen, because in

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just about every race that is being
blamed on abortion, Republicans were really outspent.

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And we're talking like well outspent.
In Ohio, the RNC sort of

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famously didn't put as much as much
money into the Yunkin race in the waning

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weeks, so the last few weeks
of the election as they some people wanted

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them to. So that's a huge
that's a huge question is and I was

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asking. I've asked other people in
the pro life movement, particularly about issue

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one. We are talking about something
even the Toledo Blade said he support,

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as they put it, a woman's
right to choose. But this is too

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radical for us, This is poorly
worded. This opens up the door all

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kinds of other things. So even
when you have that happening. People couldn't

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get and I'm asking this as a
question. It's largely what I've heard,

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but it seems incredible to me they
couldn't get conservative donors to put money into

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Ohio. Yeah, yeah, I
mean this, like I said this the

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beginning of this. That is the
price we pay for having a lackluster GOP

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and not having R and C leadership
on this, and not having US senators

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you know who, by the way, for decades, have and more than

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happy to accept our endorsements on our
volunteers because, by the way, you

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know who volunteers on campaigns the most, it's pro lifers. Our campaign dollars.

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As soon as roe Fell suddenly decided
that they you know, abortion was

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no longer a federal issue for them, even though that's not what Dobbs said,

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This is the price that we're paying
for that because you know, when

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you think about those big dollar donors, which certainly, Students Life Action is

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not funded by the big GOP dollars. I would love to you can make

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the donation anytime. The Students Life
Action gladly accept your funds to help us

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eradicate abortion. But those big donor
dollars take their cues from the elected officials,

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from the party leaders, and when
they're fine, in this case,

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not getting involved until do you think
it was too late by the time door

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Yeah, I mean I think they're
definitely big and involved. Senor Vance was

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involved. The question, I mean, I I would have to ask.

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I would feel more comfortable asking,
you know, my team members who are

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on the ground, you know how
every day, how much involved were They

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kind of seemed to me from someone
who's sitting, you know, ten miles

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from Ohio today to kind of be
a little late. I mean, I

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was grateful that they did get involved, But the question was how much money

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was raised, How much money was
raised from the big goop mega donors on

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this issue. I know, from
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America and Student Life Action, it
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not excited about Ohio's Issue one.
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going we were going to lose.
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I talked about of you know,
when the party and the consultants say abortions

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a loser, or these valid initiatives
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We're going to stay away. The
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donors aren't stupid, they're you know, this is an investment for them,

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and so they're much more likely to
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on our nonprofit side, where we're
going on campuses and starting pro life groups

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and all four of your college campuses. That makes much more sense to them

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of than well, you know,
get you investing in a battle that they're

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being told by the GOP establishment is
a loser. You know, President Trump,

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for example, had gotten involved in
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Yeah no, that sounds right to
me, And you know I was.

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I was again. I was talking
to somebody on the left today who made

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a point about where the I think
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the pro life movement stands, where
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constantly of pro life groups stand on
these questions. And it reminded me actually

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in some way. And I'm curious
what you think of this comparison, Kristen

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of repeal and replace. You know, the Republicans talk for ten years about

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repeal and replace because Obamacare is widely, wildly unpopular. Republicans say we are

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against Obamacare, we are against Row. When push comes to shove, it

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turns out there's absolutely no consensus on
what the replacement to ROW, what the

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replacement to Obamacare actually is, And
in the absence of that, Republicans get

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defined by Democrats, and then Republicans
let people suffer. People do suffer because

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of an absence of Republican leadership on
this question, where do you think the

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pro life movement should stand on the
sort of I hate to say replacement plan,

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but post plan. Well, I
mean, I think we've been very

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clear. You know, I had
a memo out actually the day the DABS

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SISU was leaked May second, we
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had sent to Capitol Hill, which
I actually got some angry calls from the

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establishment from I remember where I was
at. I was at the French bistro

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place that charges too much money for
scrambled eggs. But no, we were

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We released this letter to the Hill
telling the Hill and Republicans on the Hill

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we are not in favor of a
fifteen week or paying capable national push like

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the polling is the same for a
Heartbeat Prevention Act. It needs to be

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you know, when you're pushing and
we're trying to move this overton window and

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human humanize the child in the womb, we need to be very clear and

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we need to be at heart beat
or better. And I remember got a

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really nasty phone call and little did
I know later that night Dobbs was going

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to be I literally had someone common
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going to be leaked. I'm like, how did I know it's going to

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be leave? It was, yeah, it was me. I was in

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Houston, Texas, But so how
I did it? You know? No,

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it was And that was our messaging
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this coming down because we were starting
to have conversations because you know, we

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were there at the core. Our
students slept out night all night in the

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night of the hearing, and we
had been at the court every decision day

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since March waiting for this decision,
and so we were pretty confident going into

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June that we were going to get
a good decision and we wanted to hit

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the ground running of what is the
pro life movement asking for what's the pro

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life movement demanding on this issue?
And so we wanted to get that out

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there be very clear. It was
no one was ever advocating for fifteen weeks.

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It was a vehicle in Mississippi,
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we were getting that message out to
our legislators, but they, you

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know, either didn't hear us or
didn't want to hear us and took that

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you know, as Margine Dana Poster
calls at the ostrich approach of the the

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head and the safe and approach to
this issue, which is a loser.

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It's a loser for the GOP and
it's certainly a loser for the proluct movement,

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and most importantly, it's a loser
for the children. Hey y'all,

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you work in this space every day, So I don't presume that this theory

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is right, and I'm just curious
for your take on it, because you've

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spent years actually thinking about this.
My theory is that when Republicans do the

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Mitt Romney response on exceptions for rape
and incest, it sends a message to

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voters or it concedes part of this
argument that you don't really believe it's a

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human life. What you know that
you fundamentally, at the end of the

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day, you don't truly believe it. And I guess I'm curious, Kristen

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if you think you know Lyla Rose
yesterday said we got the through life move

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needs sister throw out the playbook.
I think is the quote that she had

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is some of this what you guys
are thinking about, you know, just

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really counseling Republicans to go in a
very different direction. I mean, I

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think morally, you and we are
in the same place on those questions,

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but Republicans certainly aren't. So as
you're thinking about these things, how different

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does it need to get. Yeah, we've already thrown out the playbook and

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Rid Biler has decided that for her
team because we did that when we started

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Students for Life Action. And that's
the reason we started Students Life Action was

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knowing that Roe is going to come
down and our movement wasn't ready and that

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we had to change the way the
game were being played because we have to

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think about it just shally we talk
about the spending issue. This is a

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David versus Glath boutl and I would
love to think that at some point we

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will get the big dollar, mega
dollar dollars, but that's not where we're

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at right now. And the challenge
is we as a movement, we try

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to defeat Goliath using glythe tactics.
And you know Malcolm Gladwell's book, he's

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an author of Taking Point, but
also wrote another book called David Versus Glyath.

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It's very insightful because it starts with
the biblical battle of David versus Lithe,

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and then it also goes and looks
at historical David versus life battles.

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And when he surminds us is that
about sixty percent of time the David's can

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win in these these fights. We
always like to think it's like a million

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to one shop, but it's not
actually true. But he lists, you

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know, principles that David's have to
deploy in order to win. And one

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of those principles is David's have to
fight like a David. You know,

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you've got to have your sling and
your smooth stones. You can't fight with

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armor and swords versus the glide because
you're always going to lose. And I

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think that was when I was writing
a letter I got early this morning before

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the kids woke up, and I
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You know, so many of them
were so upset about the loss yesterday

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because for them, this is really
like a first major loss that they've ever

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been experienced the product movement. Little
do they know for the product movement,

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I've experienced tons of losses. You
know, we had forty nine years O

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ro versus why we're certainly not going
to go anywhere. I was writing this

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letter to them about what they need
to be thinking through and challenging themselves as

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we move forward. And my question
was, what is our slang? What

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are our stones? What are those
tactics that we need to get better about

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deploying or create? Throwing that you
know as a lot of said playbook out

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the window, but fighting this battle
as the the events that we are.

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And I think you know some of
those tactics, we know. Some of

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those tactics we still don't know.
And we've got to find those tactics.

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And we've got to be you know, creative well and be willing to fail

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and find those tactics that we can
use because somebody trying to out fundraise them

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to take out more tv ads isn't
going to work, certainly not going to

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work. And right now, but
within now, the administer information is out

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there. Like something we saw in
August, for example, we had like

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thirty to fifty students at any given
time who were on social media and Ohio

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and their goal was just to continue
to pumble the facts about the extremism Issue

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one, get into conversations. And
then there was an artificial intelligence bought that

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was deployed with some groups in August
on issue one. They wanted to measure

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the conversations that were happening in social
media, and one of my friends sent

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me this report because this was really
interesting. Uh, student's life was the

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highest one, and I was like, what, Like, how you know

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students for life I had the most
was generating the most conversations in the state

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of Ohio about issue one. We
beat up the New York Times, ABC,

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NBC, all the mainstream media,
UH, with like these thirty students

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that I was paying zero dollars for
it, by the way, that I

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had on WhatsApp chat. And so
the question I had in my mind is

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like, man, can you imagine
if you had it? We had a

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thousand students doing that, and I
was throwing a little bit of money their

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way to spend you know, an
hour of their time instead of going to

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their work study job every day to
get on TikTok, to get you know,

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to produce the reels where they could
be engaging in the culture and fighting

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this on the very grassroots of that's
what the left does so well. But

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we just spend our time thinking about
we got to raise the money because we've

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got to spend the money on TV
ads. But that's not that's not always

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go work. For example, we
had a support to reach out to this

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weekend who was distraught. He works
for pretty big news digital agency, and

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it was distraught that there was no
SEO Search Engine optimization ads running from the

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pro life movement in Ohio. So
if people were googling Issue one, they

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weren't getting pro life sources, they
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So we just took this the Hio
Senates website, you know, explaining

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the extremis of issue one, what
the intentional bank language of Issue one was

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put together. A website got some
you know, he donated some couple of

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thousand dollars. I didn't have any
more money demon put towards At the point,

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we just started running ads and the
results were great. I mean,

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I you know, but this is
the type of stuff that we've got to

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be we've got to be thinking about. I mean, we had tens of

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thousands of people that clicked on our
in the last thirty well gosh, it

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was the last thirty hours of the
before the polls closed. Tens of thousands

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of people were clicking our ad who
were going to Google trying to figure this

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that is that's incredibly depressing. And
I guess, Chris, and my

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question is how after you're more than
a year since row we've had you know,

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the reason this is on the out
in Ohio is because of Michigan.

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They're now trying this. They're going
to try this in Arizona, Nevada,

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all these places, as you will
know, what does it take? I

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mean, how does the Republican already
snap out of this and try you know,

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in prepare when we've seen the cycle
left, cycle after cycle in the

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last at least a year and a
half, you were warning about it beforehand.

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If you optimistic that anything changes,
well, I think the Republicans will

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have to engage in twenty twenty four
because we have a presidential election to win,

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right, we have a US Senate
on the line, so at some

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regards we're going to have funding going
into these states. The Democrats have nothing

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for twenty twenty four. This is
why they're all in on this issue,

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right because the former president, who
has what like eighty indictments or something crazy

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right now, is leading in all
the polls against Joe Biden. And they

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know they're in trouble when it comes
to Bionomics, and I mean everything they

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they're in trouble, even their own
bay is in charge. I mean,

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they're in trouble with their own base
because you have young people now who are

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openly support supporting Hamas and young people
who are saying they're not going to vote

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for Democrats because they support Israel.
I mean, their base is imploding on

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this, on the war in the
Middle East, which is a huge problem

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for them. So they're hoping abortion
is this rallying cry that keeps their base

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together, keeps their base excited about
going out and voting for Sleepy Joe.

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So I think that for us is, you know, we know what they're

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trying to do. We, on
the other hand, will have viable,

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articulate, youthful candidates who are going
to be running for office, who are

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going to want to win, who
are going to want to put money into

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their campaigns. GOP mega donors aroun
to support those campaigns. So that should

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help us in twenty twenty four.
To be honest with you, but that

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RNC GOOP must learn their lesson and
understand at not talking about abortion or coming

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up with this like crazy. Oh
you know, quote unquote compromise that is

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not compromise that allows more than nine
now ten abortions to continue is not going

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to be a political winner for them. Kristin Hawkins, you have had a

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very busy day, There's no question
about it. So thank you very much.

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I appreciate you taking the time.
Obviously Kristin is again the president of

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Students for Life and Students for Life
Action. Just appreciate your time today,

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Kristin, Thanks for having me.
It's always a pleasure to talk to you

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only absolutely you've been listening to another
edition of The Federalist Radio Hour. I'm

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Emily Drishinsky, culture editor here at
the Federalist. We'll be back soon with

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them. Until then, your lovers
of freedom and anxious for the friends