1 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:12,560 What up? Everyone? Welcome back to the dragon Ball Virgin Podcast. We 2 00:00:12,599 --> 00:00:17,600 are on episode thirty eight, I believe, and we are all got up 3 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:25,199 to dragon Ball Super all caught up to the story Ray the dragon Ball version. 4 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:30,320 Can you believe it? I can't. I mean it's only thirty at 5 00:00:30,359 --> 00:00:34,920 episodes, but we covered so much within these thirty at episodes, so we 6 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:39,119 should very much pat ourselves on the back and anyone who has been falling along 7 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,200 with us. It's a pretty big accomplishment to be able to go through the 8 00:00:42,359 --> 00:00:46,640 entire cannon. So yeah, I'm pumped, and I'm what a way to 9 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:52,479 like end as well? At least right now. Yeah, it's not over, 10 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:56,399 but what a cliffhanger, guys like, And this is what I'm used 11 00:00:56,439 --> 00:00:59,560 to doing, right, I'm just talking about the latest the chapters, is 12 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:03,079 not going back and talking about it. So yeah, I'm really excited to 13 00:01:03,079 --> 00:01:06,959 talk about this because now the cool thing is I could theorize and not just 14 00:01:07,079 --> 00:01:11,359 like you theorize while I meanwhile, I know exactly like oh yeah, you 15 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,640 know, I know exactly what's gonna happen, so I can't reveal anything. 16 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:19,599 So that's a part I really do enjoy. There's so much to discuss here. 17 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,640 You told me as well, Ray that you were talking to a friend 18 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:29,959 who listens to the podcast sometimes and they said, this is the arc that 19 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:34,680 lost them. So do you know which part specifically? Now that you've read 20 00:01:34,719 --> 00:01:38,439 it, do you think that he was He kind of like stopped, I 21 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:45,719 guess respecting Dragon Ball a bit after they did it, so I never spoke 22 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,280 with him yet about what kind of turned him off. But my prediction, 23 00:01:49,359 --> 00:01:53,480 and I'll touch pace with him at some point, but my prediction is when 24 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:57,079 Granola wished to be the most powerful person in the universe, That's what I 25 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,280 think. Yeah, when you told me that, I assumed he meant that 26 00:02:00,439 --> 00:02:05,799 as well. But I feel like, not gonna lie. I feel like 27 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:09,840 this might be my favorite Driving Ball super arc, potentially depending on how it 28 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:15,479 ends, which is crazy because it has such it's controversial. It either pisses 29 00:02:15,479 --> 00:02:17,520 people off. Guys in the chat like you can let me know. Do 30 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,719 you like this arc? Are you hating this arc? I know a lot 31 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,879 of people have strong feelings one way or the other. For me, I 32 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:30,560 really like the throwback to the saying race right. I like the revenge story 33 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:38,680 going on with Granola and dude we got a new form of vegitas that Goku 34 00:02:38,719 --> 00:02:42,199 doesn't have. And although it's it is up for debates and people are like 35 00:02:42,319 --> 00:02:49,360 absolutely no way is Goku like behind Vegeta. To me, it seems like 36 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:54,879 it totally makes sense that Vegeta could have surpassed Mui Goku. So yeah, 37 00:02:54,919 --> 00:03:01,479 we'll get into that as well. But yeah, we're like fucking crazy shit, 38 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,080 bro, and this. I haven't been this excited about dragon Ball Super. 39 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:09,479 I can't recall when. And I guess that's the Vegeta fanboy in me 40 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:15,840 that I didn't even know that I was such a big Vegeta fanboy. But 41 00:03:15,039 --> 00:03:19,439 seeing this like that was my favorite chapter, the last one we read, 42 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,400 and yeah, I am so excited to see what happens. I really do 43 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:29,360 like the move they make with Vegeta because we've gone to the point where with 44 00:03:29,599 --> 00:03:34,520 the whole dragon Ball series we expect that there's this linear progression with the Sands 45 00:03:35,159 --> 00:03:38,639 and how you know you have to reach Super Sand one too. In a 46 00:03:38,719 --> 00:03:42,360 sense, it's more ambiguous now because like, yeah, yeah, Vegeta was 47 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:46,520 always like, oh, I achieved the same state after you, right, 48 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:52,039 And I love too how Goku's totally fine with it in his training. How 49 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,360 there's one part where we Se is like, oh, like you see what 50 00:03:54,719 --> 00:03:58,560 Vegeta is doing, and He's like, no, I'll just focus on perfecting 51 00:03:58,639 --> 00:04:02,719 ultra instinct. Like I respect how Goku he sees Vegeta, you know, 52 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:12,639 progressing in Yeah you cut out there all right, while Ray, Yeah, 53 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:16,000 okay, you're back, Okay cool. I was just gonna say. The 54 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:23,920 thing I liked about the whole Vegeta going the separate way with this transformation is 55 00:04:23,959 --> 00:04:27,439 that Goku respects it and it doesn't just want to like copycaut it. So 56 00:04:27,519 --> 00:04:30,519 when he's training with weis, Ms is like, oh do you see kind 57 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,199 of like what Vegeta is doing there with beers, And Goku's okay with just 58 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,800 say, hey, I'm going to perfect ultra instinct. This is my thing. 59 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:42,079 Veg is gonna do his thing. It's not this like there's still that 60 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:46,480 inner competition between the two of them. There's a rival. They're letting them 61 00:04:46,519 --> 00:04:48,480 go in separate directions, which we haven't really gotten so far. Yeah, 62 00:04:48,519 --> 00:04:51,519 I really enjoy it obviously. Like you know, in Dragon Ball Z, 63 00:04:51,759 --> 00:04:58,439 you could say, like mogin Vegeta and Supersayan three Goku were two different paths 64 00:04:58,439 --> 00:05:02,600 of progression. But but obviously there's a negative connotation with mogin Mageta. It 65 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,839 wasn't like, Yo, this is a positive thing. While this form, 66 00:05:08,079 --> 00:05:12,480 see, it's obviously way more edgier than mastered altranstinct. But at the same 67 00:05:12,519 --> 00:05:15,560 time, it's not like frowned upon. It's not like he's doing something wrong. 68 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:23,560 He's just embrace embracing the inner destroyer. So I'm actually one hundred percent 69 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:27,279 on board. And yeah, I've heard some comments. I will get into 70 00:05:27,319 --> 00:05:30,000 it, but I heard some comments of people saying, like, yo, 71 00:05:30,079 --> 00:05:36,399 the angels use ultra instinct. God's destruction use destruction right with Vegeta is the 72 00:05:36,439 --> 00:05:41,680 path Vegeta is following in right now, and that as a result, angels 73 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,360 are stronger than God's instruction and so Vegeta can't be stronger than Goku. But 74 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:50,639 that is not the case. Both offer kind of room to grow, room 75 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:56,480 to be perfected. And they even said, like Beer straight up said that 76 00:05:56,639 --> 00:06:01,800 Vegeta and he's even rooting that Vegeta will show that the god of destruction techniques 77 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:09,199 can be superior to angel techniques. So just because angels are stronger in general 78 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:14,040 doesn't mean that automatically God of Destruction techniques are inferior, especially when we're applying 79 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:18,439 them to sayings not angels. Right, So I strongly am in the camp 80 00:06:18,519 --> 00:06:24,519 that Vegeta can surpass Goku, and might have already surpassed Goku with this transformation. 81 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,399 Obviously, I'm not saying the whole series will now be Vegeta ahead of 82 00:06:28,439 --> 00:06:32,120 Goku. But at the same time, I feel like, you know, 83 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:36,360 a little back and forth is exactly what we need. We don't need Vegeta 84 00:06:36,439 --> 00:06:42,639 always trailing behind. No, I totally respect the move. I like the 85 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,759 move that they made here, and I'm curious to see to see what happens. 86 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,360 Like going forwards such a cliffhanger, you don't actually see what happens next. 87 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:55,120 But do you want to get right into kind of the summary first and 88 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,079 then we'll stop and break the Yeah, yeah, because like I'm getting excited 89 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,399 here. But yeah, as Kingley Logan said the chat, it could end 90 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,199 up being the best arc, but not yet. Yeah, I feel like 91 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:09,399 you could say that almost like you can't say this is the best arc because 92 00:07:09,399 --> 00:07:13,639 it's just it isn't over Arts always have to be examined as a whole. 93 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,199 But yeah, with the Bagia transformation. I think it has a lot of 94 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:21,639 potential, and we'll get into how we both feel about the whole. I 95 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:27,279 wish I was the strongest in the universe kind of thing for sure. Yeah, 96 00:07:27,279 --> 00:07:32,879 so the arcs starts with some backstory on Granola. Obviously, he was 97 00:07:32,879 --> 00:07:41,319 alluded to in the previous episode we had where he took seven threes body and 98 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:45,360 or at least part of his body, and we realized he did it in 99 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,600 order to like sell it off, and we learn how, you know, 100 00:07:48,639 --> 00:07:53,720 he's not a really powerful person, like he gets beat up when he ends 101 00:07:53,759 --> 00:08:00,759 up delivering that head. We learned his backstory about the is it Syrians cereals? 102 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:05,920 Yeah, like I say cereal lions because like they're all cereal based things 103 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:11,439 like names granola, right, oatmeal? Yeah, so yeah, we get 104 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:16,680 that backstory about their planet, how it was destroyed by the Sands, who 105 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:20,120 at the time we're working for Freezer's army. And that's what's interesting too, 106 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:26,439 because like that whole saying past hasn't been too relevant for the past little while, 107 00:08:26,839 --> 00:08:31,959 and now it becomes relevant again, and it's almost in a way it's 108 00:08:31,959 --> 00:08:35,000 like, Okay, there's this kind of I don't want to say villainous side 109 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:39,960 to go quin Regeta, but they have this shaded past they're attached to, 110 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:43,799 not directly, but like indirectly there, so we learn about that whole backstory 111 00:08:43,919 --> 00:08:50,759 the planet being destroyed, where how things are now with I believe the Heaters. 112 00:08:50,399 --> 00:08:56,240 Yeah, so Heaters are those those guys who want to be the ruling 113 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:01,320 force in the Gallic See and in the universe, and they want to replace 114 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:09,159 Freezer pretty much take his forces. And they have an interesting approach where they 115 00:09:09,159 --> 00:09:11,320 seem to approach it through getting a lot of money and being able to buy 116 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:16,639 mercenary forces kind of thing. Plus that little one which I'm not one hundred 117 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:22,360 percent sure what their name is right now, but the do you remember what 118 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:26,320 the smallest one is called. None of those supposed to be able to surpass 119 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,320 Freezel, Like that was a huge thing. They'll come up again because they 120 00:09:30,399 --> 00:09:33,600 just dropped like, Bro, you're you might be able to surpass Freeza. 121 00:09:33,919 --> 00:09:37,000 I'm gonna look that up. You could keep talking. I just want to 122 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:43,039 see all of the Heater names. Yeah, so we end up getting that 123 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:50,159 backstory. We find out that Granola wants to avenge his people, He wants 124 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:56,799 to destroy or sorry, destroy Goku at first, destroy Freezer, especially when 125 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:01,360 he finds out that they have been resurrected, and yeah, we get that 126 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:05,679 whole backstory at first going on Cranola. At the same time, what is 127 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:11,279 also pretty cool is we get a bit more backstory within the Mechims. So 128 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,720 we find out that they're not just on Dynamic, but they're spread out throughout 129 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:20,639 the universe and they were actually on planet Cereal at some point, and Granola 130 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:26,360 actually lives with one, and their dragon balls are only two within that particular 131 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:31,039 planet, which was kind of interesting comparing like all the dragon ball rules depending 132 00:10:31,039 --> 00:10:35,480 on the planets. Yeah, and just just to add in, yeah, 133 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:39,000 so gas Gas is the guy who's supposed to be able to have the power 134 00:10:39,039 --> 00:10:43,000 to surpass Freeza. Again they know Freeze is more powerful than before, so 135 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:48,720 that's a very interesting statement. The heaters will have to be thrown in again 136 00:10:48,799 --> 00:10:52,120 into the story. They'll have to become relevant in one way or another, 137 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:54,919 so it's going to be interesting to see how that plays out. And the 138 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:01,080 other ones are Oil, the portly man as he was called Maki, and 139 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:05,759 then Elek is the leader m Yeah, no, that's good to know. 140 00:11:05,879 --> 00:11:11,360 So, yeah, we get that whole plotline going on. At the same 141 00:11:11,399 --> 00:11:13,279 time, though, there's this other interesting plotline. I've talked about how I 142 00:11:13,399 --> 00:11:18,039 like trading arcs, and this was a really interesting training arc because we get 143 00:11:18,039 --> 00:11:26,480 Goku and Vegeta training extensively with weis. Goku's training with weis to perfect ultra 144 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:33,399 instinct because we've we find out at the beginning that the angels are always in 145 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:37,320 ultra instinct, which is pretty cool. Yeah, and so we learned that, 146 00:11:37,399 --> 00:11:41,320 and then obviously Vegeta and Berrists are training. And I love how like 147 00:11:41,919 --> 00:11:46,559 beeris. For a while now has just seemed like a really lazy guy, 148 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,799 Like he's just lounging around all the time, eating, like drinking these like 149 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,600 very fruity drinks. And then finally I don't know if he's borer, he's 150 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:58,240 having existential crisis, but he's kind of like, yeah, Vegeta, you 151 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,960 want to see what I do, Like, come over here. He's almost 152 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,360 like tempting him. He's just probably thinking, Okay, I want to like 153 00:12:05,519 --> 00:12:09,240 Flux a little bit show off. And I mean, Beers has never been 154 00:12:09,279 --> 00:12:13,679 into wanting to be a teacher for anyone and wanting to train anyone. This 155 00:12:13,759 --> 00:12:16,840 is the first time you really see. Okay, like I want to train 156 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,960 this guy, maybe in an indirect way to kind of lure him in. 157 00:12:20,039 --> 00:12:24,399 But then we get that whole training arc, and I think that training arc 158 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:26,200 is awesome. I don't know how you feel about it, but yeah, 159 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:31,879 like it really cool. Obviously they didn't overdo it. They had the training 160 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:37,039 while the whole Granola story was unfolding, which I did like it, right. 161 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:43,919 I like the fact that Beers gives vegeta earring. I like the relationship 162 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:48,399 developing between the two. Right, so now Vegeta's wearing the earring that symbolizes 163 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:54,240 God's destruction. Right again, I don't want Vegeta to become a god of 164 00:12:54,320 --> 00:13:00,679 destruction in the like it's final, not final phone, because he could surpass 165 00:13:00,759 --> 00:13:03,240 them in power potentially. But you know, I don't want him to take 166 00:13:03,279 --> 00:13:07,360 Beers's role because I think I much more prefer the dynamic between like you know, 167 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,919 Goku and Vegeta and like Boma and stuff like that. But I love 168 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:16,080 the fact that he's down his own path, and I like that Beers is 169 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,399 finally, like you said, going from being this lazy dude to finally take 170 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:24,799 an interest in training someone and getting so involved that he's developing like this little 171 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:31,840 rivalry with weis to see who does better Vegeta or Goku. So very cool. 172 00:13:31,919 --> 00:13:35,720 I agree one hundred percent. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed learning the 173 00:13:35,799 --> 00:13:39,720 little philosophy is thrown in between the different ones, right the whole time, 174 00:13:39,799 --> 00:13:45,120 you know, Weis was saying, you know, you have to focus on 175 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:50,840 being stronger than yourself in the past. Don't get too worried about if you 176 00:13:50,919 --> 00:13:54,799 find a new opponent and there's the strongest, you know, just focus on 177 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:58,879 you and getting stronger yourself than you were yesterday. So again, good advice. 178 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,200 They thought it was a bit obvious, but good advice nonetheless. And 179 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:09,759 I like the fact that beer Is, for example, is the Gina was 180 00:14:09,799 --> 00:14:16,559 clearly blocked psychologically by his regrets and what the Saying race have done. Right 181 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:22,759 you kind of picked up on that, Yeah, because yeah, we were 182 00:14:22,799 --> 00:14:26,879 talking about Vegeta. Especially in Super he seems to be very much in this 183 00:14:26,919 --> 00:14:33,159 atonement phase, like he realizes what his past entail, the bad things about 184 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:37,519 the Saying race, and you could tell he's trying to like atone, especially 185 00:14:37,559 --> 00:14:43,360 for what he initially did to Earth at first. But yeah, this is 186 00:14:43,519 --> 00:14:46,799 It's interesting because, like you said, what beer is Bicycally tells him is 187 00:14:46,799 --> 00:14:52,320 like, you have to forget about your past because obviously if you're wrapped up 188 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,960 in the past, you're never going to move forward. And at some point 189 00:14:54,000 --> 00:15:00,639 he say something like you have to destroy your previous self before creating a new 190 00:15:00,679 --> 00:15:03,879 one. And I really like that lesson right there, the idea of like 191 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:07,960 you just gotta let go of some of these things. Obviously there's that whole 192 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:11,639 destruction element, like he's training another this god of destruction, right, but 193 00:15:11,759 --> 00:15:15,799 it can be used in more than one way. But I like it more 194 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,799 like in a philosophical level, how sometimes you have to like destroy that person 195 00:15:18,799 --> 00:15:22,480 where before to build up this new one that's even better. So yeah, 196 00:15:22,519 --> 00:15:28,639 I like those lessons. Like you mentioned Weisa's lesson about like your biggest rival 197 00:15:28,679 --> 00:15:33,080 as yourself the day before that, that was good as well. I liked, 198 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,000 you know, they were both very different philosophies or philosophies of fighting, 199 00:15:37,039 --> 00:15:41,279 and it kind of brought me back to some of like the previous stuff in 200 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:45,759 Dragonball where we've had like different martial arts schools as well, right, yeah, 201 00:15:45,759 --> 00:15:48,639 and there's different approaches. Is not like the correct approach on the incorrect 202 00:15:48,639 --> 00:15:54,399 approach. Different approaches. Yes, so they're both can lead to either or 203 00:15:54,759 --> 00:15:58,360 becoming the strongest in the universe. They just have their own way of doing 204 00:15:58,399 --> 00:16:00,679 it. And I like it because it appears they're both going to be working 205 00:16:00,679 --> 00:16:07,399 off of instinct based on Vegeta's last line in the latest chapter, But Vegeta 206 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:15,080 seems to be following an instinct based on destruction, while Goku is following an 207 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:21,320 instinct based on a calm heart. Right, So that's the difference. And 208 00:16:21,879 --> 00:16:26,360 you have Beerist who straight up says, as long as doubt weighs down your 209 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:30,960 soul to Vegeta, this power will never be yours to wield, So your 210 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:36,200 own crimes aside, you're feeling guilty for the sins of all sayings. That's 211 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,320 awfully self centered of immortal. And then you know he goes on to say 212 00:16:38,399 --> 00:16:42,759 that he he played a role in telling Freeza to wipe out the sands, 213 00:16:42,759 --> 00:16:45,720 which he could have made up just to rile him up right, to let 214 00:16:45,759 --> 00:16:49,240 him to let go. But I thought that was so important because the whole 215 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:53,279 time where you know, saying Vegeta is becoming a better, better human being 216 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:57,279 kind of thing, but there are limitations to how guilty he can feel and 217 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,799 how much he feels like he needs to own and how much that's keeping him 218 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:07,720 back. So the fact that his journey this arc was letting go almost of 219 00:17:07,759 --> 00:17:11,799 the limiters and of the past and feeling sorry about what everything had happened, 220 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:18,599 and just embracing destruction in not in like in a neutral way, not in 221 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:22,960 an evil way, but in like a neutral way. I thought that was 222 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:26,440 very cool. I think it's very badass, and I honestly don't think they 223 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:30,680 could have done something better with Vegeta. We could talk about later how the 224 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,880 form looks and all of that. I know there are mixed opinions on that, 225 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:40,640 but the fact that he went this line of the god of Destruction route 226 00:17:41,079 --> 00:17:45,400 to me is a great choice. Yeah, No, it fits his personality 227 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:51,440 well and I think it was interesting And now do you want to drop as 228 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:55,599 well? So we get that plot line going on with that whole kind of 229 00:17:55,680 --> 00:18:02,000 mini training arc and they're working on their own unique like fighting styles and at 230 00:18:02,039 --> 00:18:07,359 the same time, just going back to Granola, we get that controversial moment 231 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:11,680 where he ends up summoning the dragon balls because again, like and the thing 232 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:18,559 with this is Granola unlike some of the other quote unquote antagonists like his his 233 00:18:19,039 --> 00:18:23,359 motive seems pretty authentic, like he wants to avenge his people. He's you 234 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,119 know, we've seen it with others as well, Like he's not a pure 235 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:32,559 villain in that sense. So he ends up taking the shortcut route, resurrecting 236 00:18:32,559 --> 00:18:36,160 the dragon and finally making and I believe this is the first time in all 237 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,960 of Dragon Ball, the wish that he wants to be the strongest warrior in 238 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:44,359 the universe. Yeah, and so that's that's the thing that might have robbed 239 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,200 some people the wrong way. So let me know your thoughts, So, 240 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:52,839 especially after seeing how that turns out, because you know, just that one 241 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,119 chapter could have a different effect than if you see his progression. For me, 242 00:18:56,319 --> 00:19:02,400 I am even when it first happened, I was okay with it because 243 00:19:02,799 --> 00:19:10,079 when I viewed Granola as a possible antagonist, there wasn't anything necessarily exceptional about 244 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,920 him, and I kind of again, I felt bad for him at parts 245 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:18,839 where like he gives that seventy three's head to the heaters and they end up 246 00:19:18,839 --> 00:19:22,359 just beating the shit out of him, Like he seems like someone who was 247 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:29,359 like again, like bullied, and here he is again it's a shortcut approach 248 00:19:29,519 --> 00:19:33,400 to be able to become the strongest warrior, but then he's able to get 249 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,319 a bit of revenge there on the heaters later on when he shows them up, 250 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,640 and again his main goal is Freeze at that moment. It's not until 251 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,720 later when they planted in his head about the sayings. But I was okay 252 00:19:44,759 --> 00:19:48,920 with it, and I know, obviously this wish has gone into my head 253 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,039 for a while. I thought, why hasn't this been brought up yet? 254 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,240 But at the same time, Ember, At first, when I thought about 255 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:56,279 it, I'd be like, it'd just be too easy, right, someone 256 00:19:56,319 --> 00:20:00,400 just wishing for it, But then you realize there are a limitation to it, 257 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:06,680 the limitations, And I think our guys personally don't want borrowed power, 258 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:11,759 like they wouldn't wish for that because they want to actually a cent at that 259 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,319 level of martial arts on their own. But say someone like Freezer, that 260 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,680 was never a wish for them. And I always thought, like, you 261 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,559 know, why not, Why isn't this an option? Why haven't people thought 262 00:20:22,559 --> 00:20:26,640 about it? And now you realize yet obviously that limitation is you're the strongest 263 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,680 person at that very moment. Number One, that's a limitation. It can't 264 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,000 like people could surpass you later on. And number two, just because you're 265 00:20:33,039 --> 00:20:37,279 the strongest doesn't mean you actually know how to use that power correctly. And 266 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:44,079 we see through the later fights in some instances, I know, I ended 267 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:48,519 up watching your YouTube video just came up, so you mentioned even in that, 268 00:20:48,599 --> 00:20:56,519 like when he's fighting with Vegeta before Vegeta ends up having that transformation at 269 00:20:56,519 --> 00:21:00,640 the end, like he's wincing in pain over like normal shots to his body 270 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,279 because he's just not used to it. He's not a fighter. Yeah, 271 00:21:03,319 --> 00:21:08,079 exactly, there are limitations again, And I said that in the review, 272 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:14,079 because yeah, Vegeta, how many times has this dude been in fights with 273 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:18,079 insanely powerful opponents and just gotten punched and punched and kicked and just bounced back 274 00:21:18,759 --> 00:21:22,920 right, And this guy is not used to that level. So as soon 275 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:27,319 as like now his I guess you could say spoiled self with this new power 276 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,839 comes along, he gets hurt a bit and then it's like holy shit, 277 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:36,240 like he's not as good as good at taking it as these seasoned fighters. 278 00:21:36,799 --> 00:21:40,400 Yeah, and there's a moment wherever Jeta says like The thing I like most 279 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:44,240 about fighting is you don't know the outcome. Like he is a season fighter, 280 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:48,880 he knows that in order to win a fight, it's something that's going 281 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,359 to be this back and forth between the fighters, like it's gonna take you're 282 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:56,200 gonna have to go through tons of pain. And Granola doesn't understand that because 283 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:00,480 again he's not a warrior. So he's like, that's another don't get it. 284 00:22:00,519 --> 00:22:02,119 Yeah, he's straight up like, I don't get it. I'm the 285 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:07,200 strongest, he doesn't think even though the Namechian on his planet that he lives 286 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:12,160 with and Vegeta both said, just because your strongest, just because your strongest 287 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,640 right now, doesn't mean you'll be strongest tomorrow, whatever, whatever. It's 288 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,279 like a fleeting thing, and yet he seems to have trouble comprehending that, 289 00:22:18,759 --> 00:22:22,319 like it's not like, yo, you're the strongest and that's it. No, 290 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,839 as Vegeta said, he's getting stronger during the fight, And I think 291 00:22:25,839 --> 00:22:29,799 we all predicted something like this would happen, where yeah, he's strongest for 292 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,240 the moment, but then Vegeta and Goku will in some way get there, 293 00:22:34,039 --> 00:22:37,359 hopefully, like we'll see sometimes they work together, but here. I have 294 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,920 a feeling they'll be able to beat him without working together, but we'll see 295 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:48,119 again. As Kingley Logan said in the chat, like I also hope Goku 296 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,799 doesn't come in last minute and take to W. I hope it really, 297 00:22:51,839 --> 00:22:55,960 Like you know, vegeta vegeta gets a W if someone's gonna get a W 298 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,839 for once. But either way, we got the new form as of a 299 00:23:00,279 --> 00:23:03,359 fan, I am happy. I did want to ask, though, so 300 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,119 what did you think about the limitations, like the sacrifice he had to make 301 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:11,079 to reach that level of power. So he's let's just put this into context 302 00:23:11,079 --> 00:23:15,200 a bit. His race lives two hundred years and this dude is fifty years 303 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:21,960 old, and what he said is, you have three years left now. 304 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,680 So he shaved off like pretty much one hundred and fifty years from his lifespan 305 00:23:26,039 --> 00:23:29,519 to become the strongest in the universe. What do you think of that? 306 00:23:30,039 --> 00:23:33,599 Yeah, I mean, it's an interesting condition. I don't know if it's 307 00:23:33,599 --> 00:23:37,680 a condition that's specific to those dragon balls, like if you were to wish 308 00:23:37,759 --> 00:23:41,359 for that on Earth or Namic, whether it would be different, But again, 309 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:45,720 to me, it speaks to that whole desperation, and I didn't like 310 00:23:45,839 --> 00:23:48,640 feel like, oh, like, what an asshole for doing that, because 311 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:53,440 again I'm looking at especially at the time, he's doing it to avenge his 312 00:23:53,519 --> 00:23:56,920 people, So in a weird way, it's kind of this. I viewed 313 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:03,359 it as this kind of noble endeavor where he's like, I'm going to basically 314 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,640 I could live kind of comfortably if I wanted for one hundred and fifty years, 315 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:12,559 but in order to defeat Forget, to avenge my sorry, kill freeze, 316 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:17,279 avenge my people, I'm going to make the sacrifice and only live for 317 00:24:17,319 --> 00:24:19,759 three years. So I actually saw it as like it was, in my 318 00:24:19,839 --> 00:24:23,400 opinion, kind of noble. I don't think he did it as this way 319 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,039 to like, because you see other people they're just they want to be the 320 00:24:26,039 --> 00:24:30,400 most powerful person to just flux on people for no particular purpose. He has 321 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,000 that purpose there, and that's why I'm a bit more sympathetic to him as 322 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,519 an antagonist compared to other agon Like he's been through hell, right, and 323 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,519 yeah, I think he's a character foil for Vegeta as well, because not 324 00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:47,039 only does Vegeta have to face the sins of the sayings of the past, 325 00:24:47,599 --> 00:24:49,279 which Beers is like, bro, that's not your thing. Get over it. 326 00:24:51,559 --> 00:24:53,960 Also, Vegeta was in this view before. He's like, I must 327 00:24:53,960 --> 00:25:00,599 get revenge against Freezer. I must get revenge against Cacarat. I like he 328 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,839 was also this guy driven by a sense of revenge. So it is interesting 329 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:10,559 to see now the role he plays with maybe guiding Granola in a better direction. 330 00:25:11,079 --> 00:25:15,359 And yeah, I agree with you, Granola is easier to sympathize with, 331 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,720 at least in the beginning, because yeah, like you see how haunted 332 00:25:19,799 --> 00:25:23,960 he is by obviously his whole race was wiped out, right except him, 333 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,839 Like, that's that's one thing. That's a huge thing. And he's reminded 334 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:32,960 us every day by looking at the old city that was destroyed and like the 335 00:25:33,079 --> 00:25:37,599 great ape footprints on the ground and everything. So this dude, like, 336 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:42,920 imagine if someone killed not only your family, not only your friends, but 337 00:25:44,039 --> 00:25:51,079 like everyone, every human being. You get why he'd want revenge, right, 338 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:55,000 It's a human emotion. But then he starts taking it too far away. 339 00:25:55,000 --> 00:26:00,720 He's like, I want to eradicate all sayings, which is the same 340 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:07,400 sort of thinking that led to his people being wiped out. So yeah, 341 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:12,000 you see that he's becoming what he hates, which is which is what happens 342 00:26:12,039 --> 00:26:18,880 when you get lost in a single minded the pursuit of revenge without thinking about, 343 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,240 you know, the ethical implications. Yeah, no, absolutely, Like 344 00:26:22,279 --> 00:26:27,119 you knew that him wishing for that would also change him as a person, 345 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:32,240 Like you don't just become the strongest warrior and keep your same ethics all of 346 00:26:32,279 --> 00:26:36,480 a sudden, now that you have this power, this privilege, then you 347 00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:41,079 start again going off truck. And he does go off truck there and lumping 348 00:26:41,079 --> 00:26:45,839 the sayings in there and wanting to eradicate their race. So I totally agree 349 00:26:45,839 --> 00:26:48,920 with what you said he does. His character is shifting as we approach those 350 00:26:49,039 --> 00:26:52,279 later chapters. Yeah, at the beginning, he like, you know, 351 00:26:52,319 --> 00:26:55,599 you could totally get I love a good revenge story. I have videos, 352 00:26:56,039 --> 00:26:59,920 I think at least four videos on YouTube about the best revenge moment and Ani 353 00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:06,480 man I dissect revenge and what makes a good revenge story. And obviously he 354 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,400 well, I was very interested in his revenge. But at the same time, 355 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,240 yeah, like you know, he loses his way and a lot of 356 00:27:14,279 --> 00:27:17,839 people do, and it's not as powerful because he's like the side character I 357 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,839 was just introduced, right, compared to like one of our main characters finally 358 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,240 getting revenge, like the Count of Monte Crystal for example, how much he 359 00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:26,720 works and in order to carry out his revenge and how intricate it is. 360 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:32,079 This is more so fast paced than it's a side character, so not as 361 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:36,720 powerful, but still it hooked me that specific aspect. And even though at 362 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:41,119 the beginning I was a bit like, yo, I don't feel like we're 363 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,000 getting enough of our main characters, because you know, it's a long wait 364 00:27:44,039 --> 00:27:48,039 a month for every chapter. Now I'm in a place where I'm enjoying it 365 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:53,039 and yeah, well we'll see how it goes. Yeah, for sure they 366 00:27:53,079 --> 00:27:56,160 were as a character. It'll be interesting to see how he evolves as well, 367 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:02,039 because of a gena now knows what's happening and that they're being tricked. 368 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:07,160 The only thing is is Granola going to be able to look beyond his prejudice 369 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,160 and actually see these sayings as people who aren't pure evil? H No, 370 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:17,640 absolutely, I was just gonna say before we get into the actual like fight 371 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:22,680 stuff that happened in kind of the later chapters that we read, like, 372 00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:26,880 there was this how'd you find that? Hilarious moment? I thought it was 373 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:32,960 funny when they end up going to I believe Zuno, right, yeah, 374 00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:36,720 yeah, and they end up saying like, so we want to find out 375 00:28:36,759 --> 00:28:41,039 their weakness and then we find out it's their wives and how they basically you 376 00:28:41,079 --> 00:28:45,359 know, end up catering to whatever they want. I found that was hilarious 377 00:28:45,359 --> 00:28:48,119 because I was actually when they asked that, I'm like, man, like, 378 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,160 this is actually I kind of want to know myself, like what is 379 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,720 that thing that they always been to? And then for them to slip that 380 00:28:55,799 --> 00:29:00,519 in there was pretty funny and it actually it worked well with ye them to 381 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,559 that planet like, it worked well I thought in the plot as well. 382 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,880 Yeah, yeah, I do want to say Scooby Doo commented that he really 383 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,359 liked the change in locations for all the fights, and yeah, that was 384 00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:15,400 one of the things in this thing that there were so many fights happening in 385 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,640 different places right, different settings, and then we even went to see Zuno 386 00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:23,359 right as well. Um, I thought it was cool. I obviously more 387 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:32,119 so Seeva Geta being almost uh tied to Boma more so than Goku to Chee 388 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:36,200 Chee, because I feel like Goku does his own thing anyways, but Chee 389 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,400 Chee does sometimes, you know, succeed in getting him to be a farmer 390 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,799 or something like that. But at the end of the day, I definitely 391 00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:48,200 buy Boma being Machita's weakness more than Cheechi being Goku's. Hm. That's an 392 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:55,440 interesting that's just that's just my opinion before we saw this section where you know, 393 00:29:56,599 --> 00:30:00,480 now in the story it's confirmed that Chichi is Goku's weakness too, But 394 00:30:00,759 --> 00:30:03,079 just looking at all the past instances, like you know, at the end 395 00:30:03,079 --> 00:30:06,799 of the day, Goku does what he wants to, right, and at 396 00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:10,519 the end of Dragon Ball Z, he's not like, oh, Cheechi, 397 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:11,720 you need me here, you know, I'm gonna stay. He's like, 398 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,920 hey, guys, so I'm gonna go train this kid all right, piece 399 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:22,200 out right, it doesn't matter what Chetchi thinks. Yeah, oh my godness, 400 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,319 which I mean, we could talk about this later with Dragon Ball Evolution. 401 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:30,400 It's what Dragonall Evolution got so wrong. But that's another conversation. Yeah, 402 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,720 exactly, that's That's exactly what crossed my mind as well, Um that 403 00:30:33,839 --> 00:30:37,119 I thought the focus was too much on how much power cheat she had over 404 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,680 Goku, and here you're kind of reaffirming that. But here here it's more 405 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,160 comedic. So I'm not thinking it like too seriously, but yeah, and 406 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:51,519 I love how she's like it's that financial reason again, like when they mentioned, 407 00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:55,599 oh, for them to make money. Then she's totally into him going 408 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,240 somewhere to fight. Yeah, exactly, and they find some common ground that 409 00:30:59,319 --> 00:31:02,519 way. I really enjoyed how they said, all right, so you like 410 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,519 gold, we'll give you your weight in gold if you guys succeed, And 411 00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:07,279 she's like, oh, gotta go put on some more pounds, right, 412 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,079 She's like she's listening. They're gonna measure her afterwards, so she has to 413 00:31:11,119 --> 00:31:15,000 get fattered to get more gold. It's so funny. Yeah, no, 414 00:31:15,119 --> 00:31:18,119 that was a that was a great momentum. But yeah, let's get to 415 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:23,480 the actual fight because they were they were pretty interesting. I mean, I 416 00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:27,839 don't want to say just before we get to that Namechian had a good line 417 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:34,519 where he he's kind of the stoic to Granola's stuck in his revenge kind of 418 00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:38,559 story, and then Ameician told him give up on the dragon balls and enjoy 419 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,440 the lot we've been handed in life, like that's that's his view, and 420 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,720 he's like, yo, we got a pretty good you know, you don't 421 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,839 want to be rude to the Sugarians, right, because they're you know, 422 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,599 they're not It's not their fault. They paid. They're just trying to like 423 00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:57,160 live and yeah, let's enjoy our life. There's you know, they have 424 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,880 money, they have somewhere to live. But yeah, for Granola, it's 425 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:07,559 not enough. For fifty years, has been fuming and he's been hating the 426 00:32:07,599 --> 00:32:12,160 fact that he can't get revenge. And then suddenly fifty years later, Freezer 427 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,799 comes back, the sayings come back, everything he's been thinking about all these 428 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:20,599 years. He's like, finally have a purpose for a living, and so 429 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,759 he can't he has a listen to the Amician stoic he just does his own 430 00:32:23,799 --> 00:32:29,079 thing. Yeah, the Amicians do have an interesting life philosophy. I really 431 00:32:29,079 --> 00:32:31,000 wish we got more of it. Yeah, yeah, and I mean we 432 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,720 do get it every so often, and we probably will get more in a 433 00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:38,200 Mechian stuff. Right, But Piccolo is also like definitely stoic compared to most 434 00:32:38,279 --> 00:32:44,240 characters. So it doesn't surprise me that this Namechian had a similar train of 435 00:32:44,319 --> 00:32:47,039 thought. Yeah, because we talked about it might have been even last episode. 436 00:32:47,119 --> 00:32:52,680 How they also believe like not to again, they don't believe in revenge 437 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,119 and if someone wrongs you, you know, you just have to kind of 438 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,319 let it go and move past. So yeah, there we get those little 439 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,960 nuggets here and there of like Namechian wisdom, which I really do appreciate. 440 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,880 Yeah, No, I really enjoyed that. It's like it's like in real 441 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:12,440 life where you get like a culture different from your own and they have all 442 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,799 these unique ideas, like, for example, for US Westerners, there's a 443 00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:17,880 lot of interesting stuff in Buddhism and stuff like that. I feel like when 444 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:22,720 we learn more about the Namechians, it's that kind of same feeling. Yeah, 445 00:33:22,839 --> 00:33:27,599 yeah, absolutely. But yeah, the fights themselves, I mean, 446 00:33:27,799 --> 00:33:32,440 I love how again it's like Goku going first, so then Vegeta it's possibly 447 00:33:32,519 --> 00:33:36,960 his time to shine, because it's always the other way around. Goku is 448 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,000 always like there's others who were going before, then Goku always jumps in. 449 00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:44,359 So what did you think? What did you think when we initially got the 450 00:33:44,359 --> 00:33:52,039 second last chapter Goku versus Grandola. Did that lead you to believe that Goku 451 00:33:52,079 --> 00:33:55,960 would fail and then Magina would do better or what were you thinking it did? 452 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,119 For a couple of reasons. Firstly, it just seems like just what 453 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,400 I'm used to with the whole Dragon Ball series. If there's another fighter on 454 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,400 the sideline, especially one who we don't know his potentis, especially not Krell. 455 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:15,440 Yeah, but if there's one on the sideline who's just waiting, chances 456 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,199 are it always gets to that fighter number one. So I'm just used to 457 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:22,559 that. But also the way Beers through the earring to Vegeta before they left, 458 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,480 I'm like, all right, something badass is going to happen here. 459 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:31,000 So like him being on the sideline, having the earring, knowing he've been 460 00:34:31,039 --> 00:34:35,559 training with Beers, knowing the potential of Beers, I'm like, I feel 461 00:34:35,559 --> 00:34:38,199 like Vegeta is gonna step in. It might not be a full out like 462 00:34:38,519 --> 00:34:44,920 Goku loss, even in this case you saw it was. But because we've 463 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,159 before, we've seen like Goku remember that one time, I think in the 464 00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:51,039 Cell tournament or something like, he just kind of stepped away, So it 465 00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:54,000 might be like he's having difficulty and Vegeta steps in. But yeah, we 466 00:34:54,239 --> 00:35:00,719 full out get within that first fight, right, Goku of course doing what 467 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:05,559 he always does in that he's always testing the waters, right, starting with 468 00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:09,360 Super sayand and God and then eventually we get to see that ultra instinct, 469 00:35:10,039 --> 00:35:15,480 though we find out it's still limited, like he hasn't necessarily fully perfected it 470 00:35:15,559 --> 00:35:19,840 like the Angels. So yeah, that was I mean, the fight was 471 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,559 interesting. It was I found with Goku pretty even at points, but then 472 00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:30,039 you obviously see Granola finding those vital spots because of his eye, which is 473 00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:35,239 his kind of unique advantage he has is he's able to note those spots. 474 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,159 And there were a couple like massive we talked about like last time, where 475 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:43,719 that one shot that went through Goku was pretty noteworthy. It wasn't like that 476 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,679 per se, but there were a couple noteworthy vital shots with Goku where like 477 00:35:47,079 --> 00:35:52,280 several of those frames within the manga just focus on Goku just like losing his 478 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:57,599 energy almost. It's like that kind of knocking your wind out of you and 479 00:35:57,639 --> 00:36:01,440 he's just on the ground and suffering there. So it was interesting to see, 480 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:06,639 you know, the struggle that he had after that whole hype of him 481 00:36:06,679 --> 00:36:10,760 trying to perfect that ultra instinct. How did you think of the fight? 482 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,360 Yeah, so Goku versus Granola first, right, Yeah, Yeah, I 483 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:23,360 thought it was interesting because again, Goku, for better or worse, he 484 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:30,559 could be annoyingly like easy to catch off guard, right, And that happens 485 00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:37,000 immediately when Vegeta has to give him a sense of being before the initial fight 486 00:36:37,039 --> 00:36:39,239 between him and Granola start, right, and he's like, oh, I'm 487 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,760 just doing this, I'm just doing this ultra instinct thing, and then like 488 00:36:44,039 --> 00:36:46,280 you're not taking it, you know, super serious. And then Vegeta has 489 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:50,719 to be the rational one all the time, and he says, Goku, 490 00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:54,840 if you haven't mastered it yet, just focus on your mind with your mind 491 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,599 right now, and you know, ease into it. It doesn't have to 492 00:36:58,639 --> 00:37:01,679 be you know, right away, start with this thing you haven't mastered, 493 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:07,159 and then get get killed, right, And so Goku comes back, and 494 00:37:07,199 --> 00:37:12,280 then he obviously does better. You know, he needs to do that classic 495 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,400 dragon Ball thing where it's testing each other's power. So instead of actually going 496 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:21,159 full out from the beginning, he slowly goes through all the forms. So 497 00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:25,199 it's like super sayan super saying God, Super sayan Blue, this is my 498 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:30,320 final form, super Saian ultra instinct. And so finally he gets ultra instinct 499 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,360 and then he starts kicking ass right, and we're like, this is weird. 500 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,000 He's supposed to be the strongest and yet Goku is beating him, but 501 00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:40,039 he's kicking ass. And then we figure out this was just a clone, 502 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:49,360 so a portion of Granola's power, and then the original hits Goku, catching 503 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:55,119 him off guard again, and Goku collapses for the second time, and then 504 00:37:55,159 --> 00:38:00,320 it's Vegeta's time to go. So interesting. Interesting. I like to see 505 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:01,800 Goku, you know, do well against the clone. I thought it was 506 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:07,679 actually super Hype when we found out it was a clone. And then Granola 507 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,800 took him out in one move. But again I don't know, as like, 508 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:15,400 if we're power scaling, we gotta be careful because how much of that 509 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,599 was just him being caught off guard. Granola himself said that this form is 510 00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:22,639 getting less accurate the more he used it with the white hair, right, 511 00:38:23,039 --> 00:38:28,360 so he's been using it for a while to fight the clone, so probably 512 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,960 he wasn't as best. So I'm definitely not saying that just because super Sian 513 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:37,280 Blue Vegeta does better than all Transta Goku against the non clone, that super 514 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:42,679 Sian Blue Vegeta is stronger than all transtant Goku. Definitely not right. So 515 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,480 there is that stuff getting caught off guard, but at the same time, 516 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:52,760 the way Vegeta brings to Granola, especially after the transformation, and the look 517 00:38:52,159 --> 00:38:55,760 on Granola's face of like terror, and the fact that his shots aren't doing 518 00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:01,039 anything beyond getting beyond Vegeta's aura, and the fact that he's sweating the original 519 00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:07,440 him shows to me that I think at least a bit Legeta with this form 520 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:12,320 has surpassed Goku temporarily. Now we'll see, but I think he's earned it. 521 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,400 Yeah, no, I agree, Yeah, you can totally make that 522 00:39:15,519 --> 00:39:21,840 argument with Vegeta. But yeah, I mean that whole fight with Goku is 523 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:27,519 interesting too, when he ends up going ultra instinct and he's actually starting to 524 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:32,800 you talked about Granola like sweating with Vegeta, like he starts not being able 525 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:38,000 to make proper contact with Goku here and there because of that ultra instinct. 526 00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:40,440 So you see, there's a lot of potential within that form. And even 527 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,440 Goku says like I have a limited time, maybe he hasn't. Even even 528 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,119 if he has like that time he has with it, maybe it's not that 529 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:51,159 full potential even that it could go, it'll be it's not right, we 530 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,400 know one hundred percent, Like he has more to go. Vegeta will have 531 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,920 more to go in this form, like that's the thing with Dragon Ball, 532 00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:01,159 there's no ceiling. But yeah, so it would be interesting to have seen 533 00:40:01,559 --> 00:40:07,199 Goku go all out right away, ultra instinct full power before he loses any 534 00:40:07,199 --> 00:40:12,599 accuracy against non clone Granola. We just didn't see that, right. Yeah, 535 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:19,159 so again, nothing's guaranteed. But to everyone who says, like Yo 536 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:23,800 Legita cancer bas Goku because it's an angel's technique versus I got a destruction technique 537 00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:29,840 that's pretty much been disproven in the actual manga, Legitta can surpass Goku with 538 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:35,800 this technique. Yeah, And I mean, are there kind of like Goku 539 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,440 I don't know what the right word is, like fanboys out there who are 540 00:40:38,519 --> 00:40:43,079 kind of like, man, we can't we can't see Goku, you know, 541 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,719 the second on the list. Ever, Like I don't understand what the 542 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:52,199 whole tie in where people are just obsessed with the idea that Goku has to 543 00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:54,400 be on top of all the time. I'm totally fine with vegeta bro. 544 00:40:54,519 --> 00:40:58,559 I'm not even fine. I prefer for them to be sent back and forth. 545 00:40:58,599 --> 00:41:01,800 But yeah, I mean there are Goku fanboys and then there are just 546 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:06,320 more like rational people who are like let's not jump to any conclusions until we 547 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,000 have more. But I think part of the fun is, you know, 548 00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:12,800 what do we think? What do we think? And I think and I'm 549 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,039 probably biased because I wanted it to happen, but I think Majeta has temporarily 550 00:41:16,039 --> 00:41:22,239 surpassed Goku. And what's the point of a shiny new form if it doesn't 551 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,559 even surpass a form we've already seen, Right, Obviously, Goku can get 552 00:41:25,559 --> 00:41:30,760 stronger, but Ga can get stronger at this moment though, but gah better 553 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:35,199 be stronger. R. Yeah, here's the thing as well. Um, 554 00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:38,360 we've seen a lot of the potential with Berris in terms of him him being 555 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:43,440 able to destroy planets at one point, he actually at the beginning of Super 556 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,360 fought Goku, though he was definitely holding back at you know, a lot 557 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:52,239 at the time. But with weis weis to me is still like a mystery, 558 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:57,760 like his whole Angel form. He always like spars with people, like 559 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,960 with Goku, but he's still clouded mystery for me what his potential is. 560 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:07,960 So yeah, like I would, I wouldn't totally discount that Angel we talked 561 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:14,320 about, like the martial arts school, like that Angel approach to fighting because 562 00:42:14,639 --> 00:42:19,000 I just haven't seen much of WEIS and it's cool how we finally like get 563 00:42:19,039 --> 00:42:22,679 a little bit of a glimpse into WEIS. Yeah, I wouldn't discount anything 564 00:42:22,119 --> 00:42:28,920 at all, because yeah, Goku one hund has the potential with through all 565 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,800 transting to surpass Mageta one hundred percent. He hasn't reached the ceiling of all 566 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:37,480 transting. And I think the whole point is they even said Maris didn't know 567 00:42:37,559 --> 00:42:43,760 it as well as weis, so even among people as ops Maris, there's 568 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,639 places to grow. So yeah, again I'm not bagging on the all transting 569 00:42:47,679 --> 00:42:52,400 form at all. I think it can get much stronger than Goku's is currently, 570 00:42:53,199 --> 00:42:55,960 but I'm just saying, yeah, like it goes both ways, don't 571 00:42:57,039 --> 00:43:02,000 underestimate either form. Yeah, I'm excited to see what potential there is with 572 00:43:04,039 --> 00:43:07,840 Vegeta, and I mean Vegeta even points that we talked about power rankings, 573 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:15,400 and he basically it's interesting because you know, this whole especially dragon ball Z, 574 00:43:15,519 --> 00:43:19,199 is all about like power ranking different people, and he finally just points 575 00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,440 to the FATL list and like power rankings are a moment in time and let's 576 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:27,480 just like forget about power rankings, like Vegeta actually put it's almost like as 577 00:43:27,519 --> 00:43:29,679 the reader, I'm like, all right, like I could totally get on 578 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,840 board with that, Like let's just forget about it, Like how he points 579 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:37,440 to that fact, and you know, dragon Ball Z or sorry, dragon 580 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,920 Ball Z, dragon Ball Super just makes the whole power ranking thing a little 581 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:45,760 bit more ambiguous now. And I like that because not that I've been power 582 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:50,079 scaling, you know, at any point in the last you know, while 583 00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,199 especially in Super we know, like put that to the side. Dragon Ball 584 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:58,000 is not the most logical show out there, so it's tough to power rank 585 00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,760 things. But I just like how we pushed it the side. And yeah, 586 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:06,599 we don't know what potential there is with Vegeta, but let's just get 587 00:44:06,599 --> 00:44:10,119 to that transformation. It is pretty sick. Let's not even get the transformation 588 00:44:10,199 --> 00:44:16,039 yet. First, Let's go to him getting that wound that transforms him from 589 00:44:16,039 --> 00:44:21,760 super Sam Blue to normal. Yeah, this is one of my favorite parts. 590 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,159 Even without the transformation, this would have been one of my favorite chapters 591 00:44:24,159 --> 00:44:30,000 for this reason. So Vegeta gets hit, it breaks his armor and he 592 00:44:30,039 --> 00:44:34,679 goes back to normal form. It is a big wound. He spits out 593 00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,800 blood like you can see it in his eyes right there, blood stained. 594 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:43,800 He looks horrible, and yet he's fucking loving it. Bro, this is 595 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,360 a pinnacle Vegeta, he says, this is my happy place, right. 596 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:52,039 There's no planet to protect, no people to save, just immersed in battle, 597 00:44:52,519 --> 00:44:58,199 just the thing to get a battle craze, sayings, blood pumping wholely. 598 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:04,199 Shit man. At that moment, that kind of reaction to getting this 599 00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:08,800 seemingly mortal wound was so hype in and of itself. It's what I love 600 00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:15,199 about Vegeta. It's the most badass character in the series being his best And 601 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,599 yeah, I just wanted to say, how did you feel about that? 602 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:22,760 I thought even before Transformation I was loving that moment. No, I'm glad 603 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,639 you mentioned that because I just totally glossed over that. But no, that 604 00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:30,840 was sick. And it goes back to that whole saying like philosophy, how 605 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:36,480 basically for the sayings like the more you get beat up, the better it 606 00:45:36,559 --> 00:45:38,960 is because we hasn't been brought up in a while, Yeah, you get 607 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:43,480 that growth. I don't know if it's the I don't know if I'm remembering 608 00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:46,000 right, Like the zen Kai boost or whatever. But yeah, yeah, 609 00:45:46,039 --> 00:45:50,360 once you get once you get close to death and you come back. It's 610 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:54,119 been a thing. But the weird thing is they really start stop bringing that 611 00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:59,760 up after Freeza as much. Right, So again now we're kind of wondering 612 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,400 how much are he still playing by those rules? But it's been established in 613 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,559 the Cannon stories, So yeah, that has to be a thing. Yeah, 614 00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:09,599 it has to be a thing. But like, besides that, there's 615 00:46:09,599 --> 00:46:15,679 a whole other significance. Just I love the fact that, like he acknowledges 616 00:46:15,079 --> 00:46:20,880 you have to experience pain. You know, pain is actually in a weird 617 00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,760 way, he like reframes it. It's it's a good thing and he loves 618 00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:30,639 you know, fighting is all about facing adversity through that pain. And again 619 00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:35,119 he loves that in embracing of discovered embracing of pain. And yeah, it's 620 00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:40,000 a pretty pretty epic moment because we see Granola he is someone who absolutely hates 621 00:46:40,039 --> 00:46:45,320 pain, and again he's taking the shortcut Forgita realizes that like, hey, 622 00:46:45,639 --> 00:46:49,559 I just got you know, the wind knocked out of me. Great, 623 00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,199 now it's an actual fight. Now it could get hyped up. Whereas Granola, 624 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:57,280 the non warriors like man I gotta finish this not experience any pain, 625 00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,039 like Vegita realizes, to be a warrior, you have to experience pain. 626 00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:04,079 And it's it's a great moment where it's like, yes, now this is 627 00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:07,039 a real fight. Yeah, exactly, And I'm glad you brought that contrast 628 00:47:07,079 --> 00:47:13,480 because the contrast between them during this fight is so interesting from the perspective that 629 00:47:14,159 --> 00:47:19,280 the strongest fighter. If you look at when Vegeta finally lands a hit on 630 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,360 his hips or like his leg or whatever, the dude freaks out right, 631 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:28,000 almost like a little girl, and Vegita gets like a mortal wound and he's 632 00:47:28,039 --> 00:47:31,039 smiling, right. So just the difference in mindset there, the difference in 633 00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:37,039 experience and how an experienced fighter will behave compared to someone who's not experienced, 634 00:47:37,519 --> 00:47:43,280 and the fact that Vegita's winning the mental game this whole time, right, 635 00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:49,239 like he's getting on Granola's nerves or he's maintaining his cool, and he's purposely 636 00:47:49,679 --> 00:47:55,639 kind of attacking his city that was already once destroyed by the sayings to get 637 00:47:55,679 --> 00:48:00,159 him to even lose focus and lose the school even more so that he'll kind 638 00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:06,000 of become a worse fighter and even I've heard a theory as well that perhaps 639 00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:10,239 Vegita, all the while while mentally making him weaker through this psychological warfare, 640 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:19,400 is also might be using for spirit fishing to kind of separate some power off 641 00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,159 of him with the blows, so he'll keep doing better and better as the 642 00:48:22,199 --> 00:48:27,599 fight goes on. Right, So, I'm not super sure how for spirit 643 00:48:27,639 --> 00:48:35,840 fishing works and whether, you know, since this is supposedly his own power 644 00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,000 and not like borrowed power from someone. I mean, it is borrowed, 645 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:42,440 but it's not like, you know, the same as moral So I'm not 646 00:48:42,519 --> 00:48:45,960 exactly sure if Vegita is using if he wants to use it, But that's 647 00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:51,800 just another possibility for his character at this point. Yeah, it could be 648 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,639 part of me though, kind of wants this to be like, you know, 649 00:48:54,760 --> 00:49:00,280 not yeah, like like yo, this is overpowered, not a combination 650 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:05,960 of like yeah exactly. I think Vegeta would want that too, because yeah, 651 00:49:06,039 --> 00:49:08,639 if it was just to say the world or something, then more so 652 00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:14,079 I could see him using for a spirit fishing because it's kind of like a 653 00:49:14,119 --> 00:49:16,760 trick. He'd even considered a trick. So I'd like to think that right 654 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:22,079 now, he just wants to go all out see what he's capable of, 655 00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,760 and that means keeping Granola at his strongest too. M Yeah, I know, 656 00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:30,599 I totally agree because that I don't know, Vegeeta's always you know, 657 00:49:30,679 --> 00:49:35,599 he wants to see the potential, like the absolute full potential on his opponents, 658 00:49:35,679 --> 00:49:37,960 and that would kind of cheapen the whole exactly. And even even with 659 00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:43,119 Goku, we've seen him give signs of beans to his villain, to his 660 00:49:43,159 --> 00:49:49,639 opponents, and Mageta as a more prideful person, So I'd be I'd be 661 00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,880 more surprised if he's using for a spirit fishing then if he just gave him 662 00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:57,239 a sense of being because he was being cocky. Yeah, but yeah, 663 00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:04,320 I love the whole kind of the road that Begeta is going on, both 664 00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,400 with the new form but also the whole mindset. And I mean he's he's 665 00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:12,119 always had like a really tough mindset to again with it's not that he's ever 666 00:50:12,159 --> 00:50:15,920 had a weak mindset, but yeah, that whole mental game he plays with 667 00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:21,639 Granola leading up in that last chapter, like you mentioned, is absolutely awesome. 668 00:50:21,679 --> 00:50:27,760 And again he's someone who I just love how he's a veteran fighter at 669 00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,360 this point, he knows the ins and outs of it, and this whole 670 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:35,159 training with Beeris has really brought him to the next level and I absolutely love 671 00:50:35,199 --> 00:50:39,760 that. Yeah, we're seeing him finally like the kind of calm in his 672 00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:45,000 power, right which not in the same way as like, you know, 673 00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:53,480 calm heart, but he's okay with embracing the destruction. He's okay with letting 674 00:50:53,559 --> 00:50:59,320 go of the guilt and you know, the past and his past and his 675 00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,880 people's past. Ask and Yo, thank you so much Evanito for the raid. 676 00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,000 Welcome everyone. We were just discussing the latest chapter of Dragon Ball Super 677 00:51:07,559 --> 00:51:13,519 and we're mentioning Vegeta's new form right now. So yeah, and I really 678 00:51:13,639 --> 00:51:16,079 I love the transformation. I think, you know, Vegeta needed somewhere to 679 00:51:16,119 --> 00:51:21,360 go because he got his atonement arc kind of in the last one with Moro 680 00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:25,480 and the the Mechians. So what's beyond atonement? And that comes to no 681 00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:30,920 longer letting your guilt of the past control you limit you. And Berus is 682 00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:37,039 helping him release those limitations, and this is a form that sort of finally 683 00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:42,840 embraces that. What did you think of the look of god A Destruction with 684 00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:47,239 Gita. Yeah, the look was pretty cool because we might have mentioned this 685 00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:52,280 at some point, if not, I know we talked about it, like 686 00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:57,920 off air. He has that super say three look, which he never got 687 00:51:58,159 --> 00:52:02,960 It was always like Goku h three and then Vegeta never got there, just 688 00:52:04,039 --> 00:52:07,719 he skipped over it. So he gets that super Sayan three look with the 689 00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,480 no eyebrows that Goku What's had, which I thought was a pretty badass look. 690 00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:16,000 And then I believe the hair is purple or people are stizing its purple 691 00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:20,159 as far as I know, it's just it's a theory. It makes sense 692 00:52:20,199 --> 00:52:24,119 in the sense that you know, Bers has that purple aesthetic, the Hakai 693 00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:29,559 energy has that purple aura that Bers uses, so it would make sense for 694 00:52:29,559 --> 00:52:32,079 it to be purple. But at this point I don't think it's confirmed by 695 00:52:32,079 --> 00:52:37,079 anyone. Who Yeah, I just love it because I love that look, 696 00:52:37,199 --> 00:52:42,320 because it it's this kind of it's like, I don't want to say a 697 00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:47,719 stoic look because that's a very like, very stereotypical kind of description, but 698 00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:53,000 it's this kind of badass look that I just love the aesthetic of super Sayan 699 00:52:53,199 --> 00:52:57,760 three, not necessarily like the hair is pretty cool, but just the face 700 00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:02,599 how it's this weird kind of his old face and it looks like nothing could 701 00:53:02,679 --> 00:53:07,320 like it looks just very razor focused. And I love that look on Vegeta 702 00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:12,280 because we got it with Goku, didn't get it with Vegetau. So yeah, 703 00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:17,480 esthetically, I really like it as a as a form, and yeah, 704 00:53:17,519 --> 00:53:22,760 like even the energy emitting from him is pretty cool itself. It's not 705 00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:28,840 like a crazy prolonged transformation like maybe we got with like Super Saiyan one or 706 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,960 something, So it's the transformation self leading up. Wasn't this crazy crazy thing, 707 00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,760 But yeah, I mean it's pretty it's pretty bad us the end result, 708 00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:43,519 he just looks like this razor like razor focused in fighter, and yeah, 709 00:53:43,559 --> 00:53:45,360 I love it. How about yourself? Yeah, so some people said 710 00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:50,320 it's a rep off of Super Saian three, right, So I mean they 711 00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,679 are reusing that look. You know, you can't deny that. But at 712 00:53:53,679 --> 00:53:58,079 the same time, it is a cool look that doesn't get any screen time 713 00:53:58,119 --> 00:54:00,880 anymore. Really, right, how is it for Goku to go superstand three? 714 00:54:01,559 --> 00:54:06,000 And it does seem to be a look with like how stern it is 715 00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,760 and how bad ass it looks that would go more well with Vegeta's character than 716 00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:15,760 with Goku's right, Yeah, and yeah, it looks badass obviously. You 717 00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:17,840 know, you could talk about whether it should have been something original, whether 718 00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:22,239 like they should reuse something that already happened, But at the end of the 719 00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,320 day, it looks badass. It's a cool looking form. I can't wait 720 00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:30,760 to see the power Vegeta's shining. It's Vegeta at his absolute best. So 721 00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:35,119 you know, I'm happy as a fan. I've never been this excited to 722 00:54:35,159 --> 00:54:42,079 see what dragon Ball Super has to offer next. And that's starting from an 723 00:54:42,199 --> 00:54:45,599 arc where I wasn't super invested immediately because you know, it was going slow 724 00:54:45,639 --> 00:54:50,239 paced with these other characters that are our main characters. I think that this 725 00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,719 arc has really come into its own now I'm super excited. I think it 726 00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,800 might be depending on how it goes, too early to say, but might 727 00:54:55,840 --> 00:55:00,719 be the best Dark and dragon Ball Super depending on how they go from here. 728 00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,760 So yeah, I think it's a good sign for dragon Ball fans in 729 00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:07,559 general. And yeah, with the dragon Ball Super, more and more news 730 00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:12,480 about the movie coming out, and I think twenty twenty two, you know, 731 00:55:12,519 --> 00:55:15,519 it's perfect to raise the hype even more. Gives time to shine, 732 00:55:16,199 --> 00:55:20,840 keeping things fresh, not having Goku aways in the lead. Yeah, I'm 733 00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,559 very satisfied. Yeah, and I'm totally fine with not having Goku in the 734 00:55:24,639 --> 00:55:30,320 lead all the time, because again, it just gets repetitive and things become 735 00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:36,079 expected. I am totally on board, same as you are with having Vegeta, 736 00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:37,800 you know, get his give his moment to shine like finally, like 737 00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:44,199 in Super he doesn't really have, you know, that moment where he he 738 00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,159 shines, and I just I want to see that here. Obviously, I'm 739 00:55:47,199 --> 00:55:52,119 expecting a pretty badass fight. I don't think it's just going to be him 740 00:55:52,159 --> 00:55:57,360 like beating the shit out of Granola and then you know, we that's how 741 00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,199 it ends. I think I don't know what's going to happen next, but 742 00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:05,480 ye will have to come in at some point, probably Gas right because he's 743 00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:09,679 been hyped up. Maybe Freeza because he's obviously been hovering around this this arc. 744 00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:15,559 Yeah, who knows what happens, but hopefully we get a pretty like 745 00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:21,719 badass fight. But yeah, just I'm curious to know what happens because we 746 00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:27,239 see beers and beers. Really he never fights, you know, any pony 747 00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,559 doesn't take on an opponent, But just the fact that there's such a difference 748 00:56:30,559 --> 00:56:37,679 between what like previous Figita was doing in terms of being able to, you 749 00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,440 know, inflict pain on other people. And now that you have that destructive 750 00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:45,719 element to yourself where remember he was working with the rock and then eventually went 751 00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:50,159 to that big, huge boulder and he's like, it's completely different, Like 752 00:56:50,199 --> 00:56:52,719 Beers is explaining, it's not the same as just being able to, you 753 00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:57,760 know, break apart this rock. You're actually destroying it, You're erasing it, 754 00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:01,280 you're eliminating it. And so I'm really excited to see how Vegeta has 755 00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:07,800 honed that power. And who knows, maybe he can't fully like sustain this 756 00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:12,719 power or you know, like you mentioned it, they're all work in progress 757 00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,159 at this point. Yeah, but I really want to see how he adds 758 00:57:15,199 --> 00:57:20,400 that destructive element. Yeah, Like if this true, if this form truly 759 00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:24,400 surpasses Goku's at his gogu, at his strongest, then I mean it would 760 00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:31,480 be pretty crazy if it didn't have its own limit, right because obviously Goku's 761 00:57:31,559 --> 00:57:37,119 does. So if this surpassitor power and is unlimited, that that wouldn't make 762 00:57:37,199 --> 00:57:40,760 much sense. So yeah, we'll see. I just hope the limit isn't 763 00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:45,760 too short. Yeah, Well we'll see, but It's definitely something I accept. 764 00:57:46,159 --> 00:57:50,960 Honestly, I've accepted if if he just kicks ass and he proves he's 765 00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:57,639 stronger in that moment, then then Granola is and then fuck he loses his 766 00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,039 form, but they have to figure out another way to beat him. I'd 767 00:58:00,039 --> 00:58:06,400 accept that. I'd still prefer that to um to this not being enough to 768 00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:10,199 the feed Granola or or even maybe I'd accept that as long as it's not 769 00:58:10,239 --> 00:58:14,960 like Goku just you know, comes in and one ups him again, right, 770 00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:20,639 as long as there's some kind of caveat for Yo vegeta did it he 771 00:58:20,719 --> 00:58:24,440 surpassed Goku temporarily, and then we'll see what happens. Yeah, I'm just 772 00:58:24,599 --> 00:58:29,960 I'm excited to see, like, what's he going to be like in a 773 00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:36,400 fight if he has the potential to you know destroy, Yeah, will be 774 00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,079 interesting. But also just the power set, the move sets, what kind 775 00:58:39,079 --> 00:58:43,960 of attacks, what's special about them? Yeah, I can't wait to see 776 00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,960 that. Um. Yeah, So I think that covers the all the way 777 00:58:49,079 --> 00:58:51,920 up to caught up on dry Ball Super. Guys. We started with dragon 778 00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:57,280 Ball and now we're caught up the fucking dragon Ball Super been a crazy ride. 779 00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,800 Um, Now we wanted to do as like a special treat a bonus 780 00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:07,760 to also talk about the dragon Ball Evolution movie. Obviously not not praise it, 781 00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,559 but maybe you know, make fun of it a bed, maybe say 782 00:59:10,599 --> 00:59:15,360 what we didn't hate about it. So initial thoughts ray on the dragon Ball 783 00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:22,719 Evolution movie. So I tried my very best to go into the movie without 784 00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,360 any like, you know, a cynical view of it. I really tried 785 00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:30,440 to be open to the whole process, and like, I get this kind 786 00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:34,559 of right when the movie opened, I got this kind of like karate kid 787 00:59:34,639 --> 00:59:37,760 esque. Yeah. Yeah, me too. Yeah, yeah, especially when 788 00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,920 they had the little tournament with Chichi and that girl who stole her blood, 789 00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,599 which was so random, like they pipe us up for a tournament and that 790 00:59:45,719 --> 00:59:51,039 there's just that one scene that's just so she can steal her blood. Yeah. 791 00:59:51,079 --> 00:59:54,039 But even like even at the very beginning when he's with his grandfather, 792 00:59:54,199 --> 00:59:59,079 and I thought, okay, like that's that's pretty cool. It was interesting 793 00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:06,360 how obviously with Gohan meaning the grandfather, like they actually have him alive because 794 01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:12,559 within the actual obviously dragon Ball series, Goku is a young you know baby, 795 01:00:13,239 --> 01:00:17,360 when Gohan ends up dying, so to have him like growing up in 796 01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:22,559 his teenage years with Gohan. There's is a little bit different, but I 797 01:00:22,639 --> 01:00:28,519 totally got like when his grandfather died, I totally got this kind of Spider 798 01:00:28,519 --> 01:00:32,199 Man Peter Parker has Field or it's like, you know, it's not the 799 01:00:32,239 --> 01:00:36,559 same, but it's just like not that. Not only that, like there 800 01:00:36,679 --> 01:00:40,119 was such Spider Man feels to it, Like even the fact when he was 801 01:00:40,119 --> 01:00:45,119 like catching all those um cubes he knocked down at that guy's house, right, 802 01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:47,639 do you remember there was like a Roshi's house. He knocked out some 803 01:00:47,679 --> 01:00:51,559 stuff and then he like tried to not make noise. Dude, that was 804 01:00:51,679 --> 01:00:55,480 exactly like when Spider Man like catches all those cafeteria things, yeah remember, 805 01:00:55,599 --> 01:01:00,239 or beating up the bullies. Yeah, Like there was This was more felt 806 01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:06,559 like a Spider Man vibe than Dragon Ball. And you wouldn't you wouldn't even 807 01:01:06,559 --> 01:01:09,960 know this because you haven't watched Avatar. But why did they mention airbending? 808 01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:17,199 Like that's that's an Avatar thing from out there? Last airbender never mentioned in 809 01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:23,000 dragon Ball, and yet airbending the final form is the comman at Mail? 810 01:01:23,119 --> 01:01:30,920 What what bending? Different elements? Like it's it's so random, honestly, 811 01:01:30,039 --> 01:01:36,639 Like I was expecting it to be horrible, so you know, it didn't 812 01:01:36,639 --> 01:01:39,599 surpass my expectations. Like, you know, it didn't surpass my expectations for 813 01:01:39,639 --> 01:01:44,320 how horrible it would be, because like people have been banging on it so 814 01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:49,159 much. But um, I could see why people bag on it, and 815 01:01:49,599 --> 01:01:52,920 just some stuff didn't seem necessary, Like they put go qu in high school, 816 01:01:52,599 --> 01:01:55,519 but the majority of the story doesn't take place in high school, so 817 01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:01,760 why even have that described see between the main story and this, Um, 818 01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:07,280 obviously there was as we were going to get to the fact that he's crazy 819 01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:12,239 about Cheech, constantly hitting on her. She's the main motivation for him to 820 01:02:12,239 --> 01:02:15,880 get stronger rather than like a like a love of fighting dude, that is 821 01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:21,679 not Goku's character. And not only that, but he kisses her. We 822 01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,679 find out in the dragon Ball series he's never kissed Chea Chi. Yeah, 823 01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:29,679 like what are you doing? And that that that raises the attention like how 824 01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:36,039 much did these guys actually know like about the story, and how much was 825 01:02:36,079 --> 01:02:38,280 just like, oh, we watched a few episodes, let's just go with 826 01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:43,079 it, do our own high school approach. Yeah, again, that was 827 01:02:43,119 --> 01:02:45,440 a good point. I didn't even notice like that they kiss in the movie, 828 01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:47,320 they don't in real life. In the in real life in the anime, 829 01:02:49,199 --> 01:02:52,079 um that was random. What else was there? Like? Then, 830 01:02:52,199 --> 01:02:59,519 Mechians were portrayed were set to be an alien race that nearly destroyed the world, 831 01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:02,079 right, that's what they're known as, even though in the anime they're 832 01:03:02,159 --> 01:03:07,719 this peaceful race. Who you know, Piccolo happened to be this evil person, 833 01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:12,480 but in general, the Amicians aren't to blame. Obviously, we wouldn't 834 01:03:12,519 --> 01:03:15,639 even know that they were a Mechians at the dragon Ball part, he was 835 01:03:15,679 --> 01:03:22,039 just this evil kind of creature. Yeah, and why call him Goku? 836 01:03:22,119 --> 01:03:24,920 I think that's the main thing, because I mean, if they wanted to 837 01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:29,119 just kind of do something that happens in kind of that world, they didn't 838 01:03:29,119 --> 01:03:31,039 have to call him Goku. But they call him Goku and completely change his 839 01:03:31,159 --> 01:03:37,119 character. Right, Yeah, his character was absolutely ruined from the from the 840 01:03:37,159 --> 01:03:42,079 actual series itself, Like you said, he's into girls, he obsesses over 841 01:03:42,119 --> 01:03:46,760 girls. He is not that in the actual series itself. He you know, 842 01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:50,880 in the series itself, he just wants to fight to get stronger, 843 01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,199 whereas here, like you mentioned, he's trying to impress Cheechy. He wants 844 01:03:54,239 --> 01:03:59,719 to see revenge, she's like angry too, Like if you remember, yeah, 845 01:03:59,599 --> 01:04:02,159 when the bullies are like and Goku is the most carefree dude, right, 846 01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:05,079 Yeah, he's like trying to contain his anger. He's trying his best, 847 01:04:05,079 --> 01:04:06,719 and it's just like, you know, he would never do that. 848 01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:12,280 He just laughed them off and not even understand the context. Yeah, naive, 849 01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,519 Goku is not there. Yeah, Goku is not there. Right, 850 01:04:15,559 --> 01:04:20,079 that's kind of that's kind of the thing we see. I did, aside 851 01:04:20,119 --> 01:04:24,800 from the fact that he's supposed to be Goku, which makes no sense, 852 01:04:25,199 --> 01:04:29,840 I did like some of his lines, like I did you know there was 853 01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:33,480 that actor did have some moments that would work in like a high school movie, 854 01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:40,199 even if it didn't work as Gokum, like some of his cad dialogue 855 01:04:40,199 --> 01:04:44,719 with Chee Chee. You know. It wasn't horrible, but yeah, it 856 01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:49,400 just felt like they took another movie and applied the filter of dragon Ball to 857 01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:54,079 it. Oh yeah, no, it was. It was a typical kind 858 01:04:54,119 --> 01:04:59,880 of like American team love story movie was that's something you can't apply that. 859 01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:03,519 You can't get dragon Ball and apply that whole structure to it. It ruins 860 01:05:03,559 --> 01:05:08,559 the whole thing. I'd say it's someone who And again I don't want to 861 01:05:08,559 --> 01:05:12,519 be too critical because I always appreciate people putting in the work to create something, 862 01:05:12,679 --> 01:05:16,480 all right, But at the same time, you have to admit this 863 01:05:16,559 --> 01:05:20,159 is not the soul of dragon Ball. They haven't captured a spirit of dragon 864 01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:28,079 They took some superficial stuff and kind of told a completely different story. Yeah, 865 01:05:28,079 --> 01:05:30,519 that's a good way to put it. It's very superficial and like gloss 866 01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:35,360 over a lot of things. And yeah, I mean even you talked about 867 01:05:35,559 --> 01:05:41,239 Piccolo, did you totally have you watched the mask Jim carries the mask? 868 01:05:42,599 --> 01:05:45,920 I did. I didn't make the comparison, but it did seem like, 869 01:05:45,519 --> 01:05:49,079 I don't know, strikingly unrealistic, look like you know what I mean. 870 01:05:49,239 --> 01:05:53,920 Yeah, I didn't buy it. I didn't buy that that that was in 871 01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:57,360 the mechi and I don't know how you do a good one right exactly, 872 01:05:57,719 --> 01:06:00,119 but yeah, it just seemed like a dude wearing a mask ask. Yeah, 873 01:06:00,119 --> 01:06:03,360 No, that was that was weird. The whole Boma thing too, 874 01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:11,360 coming in Like I kind of enjoyed the aesthetic that the actress had, Okay, 875 01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:14,320 becauseyeah, it was very different from the Boma from Yeah, it was 876 01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:16,639 it was. I kind of enjoyed her aesthetic again as a standalone, not 877 01:06:16,719 --> 01:06:20,559 as an adaptation of dragon Ball. I enjoyed her aesthetic. I enjoyed yanchas 878 01:06:20,559 --> 01:06:27,679 aesthetic, right, I thought it was a fun character. Yeah, I 879 01:06:27,719 --> 01:06:30,599 did like to see they're being included again. But if you if you haven't 880 01:06:30,599 --> 01:06:33,960 watched this, you can't take it too seriously as you watch. Yeah, 881 01:06:34,039 --> 01:06:39,639 I just I mean, we talked about the critiques of it being an actual 882 01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:42,679 you know, following dragon Ball, the soul of dragon Ball, like you 883 01:06:42,719 --> 01:06:46,480 mentioned, even I found the whole plot was there was some bumpiness to it, 884 01:06:46,599 --> 01:06:51,760 like I found, yeah, just deciding to all right, let's just 885 01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:57,119 like work together. That was so quick, Like it was just you know, 886 01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:00,639 in order to move the plot along. And such a different character, 887 01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:06,239 like you don't get that Boma Goku dynamic, right, Yeah, Like Ultimate 888 01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:11,000 Cell here says in the beginning of dragon Ball, Goku was interested in girls 889 01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:14,639 in the sense that he didn't know about the differences between male and females. 890 01:07:15,159 --> 01:07:19,719 But at this point this actor at his age would be is interested in girls 891 01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:24,039 and would be interested in a girl like Boma, while Goku just doesn't have 892 01:07:24,119 --> 01:07:28,880 that interesting like that romantic interesting girls. Right, So I didn't buy the 893 01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:33,239 fact that this Goku and Boma would like, you know, have no chemistry 894 01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:39,079 whatsoever. Right, But yeah, it is kind of weird too because yeah, 895 01:07:39,119 --> 01:07:42,880 obviously we find it on this movie. Goku is like he's a horn 896 01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:46,119 dog. He likes girls and and it's him like let's just say that. 897 01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:50,679 Yeah, for him to like not have any feelings for or thinking old like 898 01:07:50,719 --> 01:07:54,480 she's hot, like the Boma that's in the movie is kind of weird. 899 01:07:54,559 --> 01:07:56,960 But anyways, I guess they try to keep it authentic where they want it 900 01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:00,559 to be, like this platonic relationship between the two. But I felt that 901 01:08:00,639 --> 01:08:04,519 was rush the whole Boma thing as well, like the fighting like with him 902 01:08:04,519 --> 01:08:08,840 and Piccolo, it was just at the end there, like it was, 903 01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:12,159 it's weird, how you think, Like Dragon Ball Z it's a show that's 904 01:08:12,239 --> 01:08:16,520 dedicated to martial arts fighting and the actual fighting part was so limited. Yeah, 905 01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:20,159 and it went off the rails like the more it went on, um, 906 01:08:21,159 --> 01:08:27,720 like the whole Goku being Ozaru right, the destroyer will destroy everything like 907 01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:32,880 again it has that parallel and Dragon Ball, but again he becomes like this 908 01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:40,520 wearable of creature that kills Masterosi by by not like sitting on him or eating 909 01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:45,479 him, by like choking him out, Like why would Ozarus go through things 910 01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:49,720 be to choke people out? Yeah, yeah, no, there was again 911 01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:57,399 the air bending was so confusing to me. Um yeah, I mean at 912 01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:00,800 the end of the day, I think there's plenty of cringe moments, and 913 01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:05,880 one of them, by far was the I don't know if you watch after 914 01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:11,319 the first bit of credits, but they kind of like left it opened to 915 01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:15,720 a sequel or something where it kind of shows the credits and then it shows 916 01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:21,600 like this chick bringing like some food to this to this guy in a bed 917 01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:26,000 and it turns around and it's Piccolo, so he's still alive. So they 918 01:09:26,039 --> 01:09:30,640 just left them on the battlefield to be rescued. Yeah, it's so bad, 919 01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:39,199 man. No, there there are so many, even like Roch's Island 920 01:09:40,199 --> 01:09:45,479 and it was little not Bald, right, They did keep a bit of 921 01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:50,520 his girl craziness, so I even thought that was kind of toned down. 922 01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:55,199 But it was kind of like four, like it didn't seem natural like where 923 01:09:55,239 --> 01:09:58,119 you see it in the other one. It's just you know, really off 924 01:09:58,119 --> 01:10:01,119 the rails, bald, pervertic, kind like It almost seemed like, oh, 925 01:10:01,159 --> 01:10:04,239 they wanted to just make reference to it, like his shirt. Yeah, 926 01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:08,039 was kind of perverted, but it wasn't even it was just like an 927 01:10:08,079 --> 01:10:11,039 anime no, yeah, yeah, it was an anime girl. And instead 928 01:10:11,039 --> 01:10:14,119 of having like a nude magazine, it was like I don't know, Sports 929 01:10:14,159 --> 01:10:17,800 Illustrator or something like what naked girls, not like Bikini Issue or whatever. 930 01:10:18,319 --> 01:10:23,600 Yeah. Yeah, everything was torn down and all that happened was there. 931 01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:27,359 It was implied that he touched Boma's butt and she's like, yeah, I'm 932 01:10:27,359 --> 01:10:29,880 gonna kill you if you do that again, and that was it. Mhm 933 01:10:30,199 --> 01:10:32,760 right yeah. I would just was a ball, which like this dude was 934 01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:35,319 way too young to be Rosy, right, yeah, no, that's the 935 01:10:35,359 --> 01:10:40,319 point, like Master ros She's gotta be this old guy. And when I 936 01:10:40,359 --> 01:10:44,760 first saw him when he was I did suspect that when they went into that 937 01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:47,479 house it was going to be like Roch's house. They thought, Okay, 938 01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:50,640 here's this kind of adaptation. You're gonna put it in the city all alone, 939 01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:55,399 this house instead of on an island. But then when I saw Roshy, 940 01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:57,800 like for the first time, I thought, police, don't make this 941 01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:00,399 rochy. I know, what's going to happen. But this is not the 942 01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:02,119 Roche I had in mind. And sure enough, when they revealed that, 943 01:11:02,159 --> 01:11:05,720 I thought, oh god, they really they really screwed this up. Yeah, 944 01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:13,079 he didn't fit the Rosy character whatsoever. That has to be said. 945 01:11:13,119 --> 01:11:15,760 I did enjoy the fact that they tried to do a bit of an evil 946 01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:25,319 containment wave obviously completely failed, but yeah there was that. Yeah, it 947 01:11:25,359 --> 01:11:30,239 was like this clusterfuck of just stuff being stuck together from dragon Ball, random 948 01:11:30,279 --> 01:11:34,560 things in random order, with a random Hollywood setting, right, Yeah, 949 01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:38,720 that's the thing. There's I think there's two wrongs going on here. Number 950 01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:43,239 one is they're not capturing like you mentioned, like the essence of dragon Ball. 951 01:11:43,319 --> 01:11:45,319 That's number one. And yes, the number two, Yeah, but 952 01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:49,840 number two the I just think the story is not put together well, like 953 01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:55,000 like you mentioned, it's it seems like they're trying to clump these different things 954 01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:59,760 together. And again, dragon Ball is this it's a show about like fighting, 955 01:12:00,079 --> 01:12:03,199 and there was so little fighting, Like there was probably more instances of 956 01:12:03,279 --> 01:12:08,680 like high school drama going at the beginning than actual fighting scenes. Yeah. 957 01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:12,680 The fighting scenes too, they weren't good. Yeah, there's such a spider 958 01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:15,520 Man field bro. Like even even the fact that he was looking at himself 959 01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:18,720 in the mirror and like he tried to slick back his hair and a bounced 960 01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:24,960 back on the mirror like bro again, such a nod to like Spider Man. 961 01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:27,720 And when he's finally like looking at his glass to take them off, 962 01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:30,359 like looking in the mirror, Like there's so many of that, like high 963 01:12:30,359 --> 01:12:35,079 school moments. Um that was that was random too, like that the chick 964 01:12:35,079 --> 01:12:41,319 could just get blood and kind of copy anyone. But another thing that was 965 01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:44,880 random was how they decided to end it, right they were gonna go for 966 01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:46,279 drying balls again, but he's like, no, I have one more stop 967 01:12:46,279 --> 01:12:49,640 to make. He stops to cheat sheet and then they decide they need to 968 01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:55,800 fight and it just stops when they're about to like land that hits on each 969 01:12:55,840 --> 01:13:00,199 other like bro, cheech, you can't touch Goku. Bro, Like this 970 01:13:00,279 --> 01:13:04,960 was always like this is evident. Yeah, no, that's one issue and 971 01:13:05,039 --> 01:13:10,640 just kind of also relate to this we don't see like I don't see any 972 01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:14,560 real growth of Goku as a fighter, Like how does he you see Pickle 973 01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:18,079 At the beginning, he's literally able to destroy the house by putting his like 974 01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:23,880 making a fist and blowing up the house. How does Goku all of a 975 01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:28,399 sudden, based on who he was before, reach that crazy level of power 976 01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:31,960 at the end, Like, there's no there's no growth like evident growth within 977 01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:35,119 the movie. Yeah. The only thing there is is that one scene of 978 01:13:35,199 --> 01:13:45,479 him carrying a heavy bag and running alongside the vehicle. That was the Yeah, 979 01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:47,039 you know how much moments we had in dragging a ball with the training 980 01:13:47,319 --> 01:13:51,840 that was the one moment of training there. Yeah, no, yeah, 981 01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:56,600 I mean we expected this to happen, not that it's anything new, but 982 01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:03,920 yeah, now we could finally say we know what's wrong with it on so 983 01:14:04,039 --> 01:14:09,119 many levels. And I mean yeah, and if you haven't watched it, 984 01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:12,079 we watched it, so you don't have to, but you know, maybe 985 01:14:12,079 --> 01:14:15,520 you just want to see for yourself how crazy it is like for you? 986 01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:20,439 Are there any even one? Are there any redeemable moments where you you're like, 987 01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:23,520 you know what, I kind of like, I did think it was 988 01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:29,680 kind of cool how the machines came about, you know, like the the 989 01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:33,079 like driving vehicles, right, how they just kind of appeared like you know, 990 01:14:33,119 --> 01:14:36,199 I think they use school effects to make that happen. Again, the 991 01:14:36,199 --> 01:14:40,960 effects worked for me for that. They didn't work with the fighting, and 992 01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:45,239 the fighting was just weird, like why would Goku? Like at the end, 993 01:14:45,319 --> 01:14:46,520 Goku was like, you know, flying as if like you know, 994 01:14:47,199 --> 01:14:51,840 strings were carrying him like in a play, and then he like flies into 995 01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:56,800 with the commandment into the guy like and somehow the guy doesn't even have a 996 01:14:56,840 --> 01:15:00,000 hole through him instead of instead of just you know, sticking on the ground 997 01:15:00,039 --> 01:15:02,960 and doing the commandment. I didn't like the effects of the Commandment. Again, 998 01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:05,279 I don't know how good they can make it. I don't know how 999 01:15:05,279 --> 01:15:11,239 limited they are with like real life, but I didn't like the mistiness rather 1000 01:15:11,319 --> 01:15:15,279 than like a solid form of energy and was it Yeah, no, I 1001 01:15:15,319 --> 01:15:18,159 agree with that as well. And was there ever any mention of the command 1002 01:15:18,159 --> 01:15:23,880 man before that moment? Remember in dragon Ball, like it's considered Gohan's technique, 1003 01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:27,560 Like there's that, yeah, so practicing of it, Master Row she 1004 01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:32,560 is the one who said it's like the commandments like the final form of airbending, 1005 01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:36,079 Like what what the what? Like what the fuck is the airbending belonging 1006 01:15:36,119 --> 01:15:41,159 in Dragon Ball? I have no idea, but yeah, that's they did 1007 01:15:41,159 --> 01:15:43,720 talk about it a bit. I have no idea why it was at all 1008 01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:48,399 related to lighting candles except for that romantic moment like with with Chee Chee, 1009 01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:55,880 which was weird, right, like why like how is this a powerful attack 1010 01:15:55,920 --> 01:16:00,319 if all it does is like light candles? And he was impressive for lighting 1011 01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:08,359 three kid? Yeah there was. There was great flaws here um and ultimate 1012 01:16:08,399 --> 01:16:11,039 seal. Yeah, I agree. Thank god that this movie never became a 1013 01:16:11,079 --> 01:16:15,199 sequel, Like they clearly ended off the end, like after the credit scene 1014 01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:20,359 with like yo pickles coming back. But first of all, they shouldn't have 1015 01:16:20,399 --> 01:16:23,880 had a sequel if it's gonna be like this, and if they did, 1016 01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:30,560 like at least all use pickle, I guess yea, Like the dude should 1017 01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:32,880 have been defeated there, like those guys. It looks like they even check 1018 01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:36,119 to see if he's like done and he's just gonna come back again, Like 1019 01:16:36,199 --> 01:16:40,840 what's the point of that? Oh my god, I feel like this is 1020 01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:45,680 something like me and my high school friends would have made for like a project 1021 01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:48,199 in high school. You know what I mean, you probably like a film 1022 01:16:48,279 --> 01:16:51,640 probably, but like a film film thing like I remember we did Lord of 1023 01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:58,560 the Flies and like this kind of felt like that. But yeah, I 1024 01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:00,479 mean that's that's pretty much it. I'm glad we watched it. I'm glad 1025 01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:04,399 we got it out of our out of our system, because there's curiosity, 1026 01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:09,640 man, there's curiosity there, and now we know that. It just it 1027 01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:14,439 didn't work as an adaptation for many of the reasons people talked about, mainly 1028 01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:18,800 like they made it Hollywood. They weren't respectful to the soul of the series, 1029 01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:25,079 to the soul of the characters. Right, But um, yeah, 1030 01:17:25,199 --> 01:17:28,840 I enjoyed. I enjoy just figuring out what it was about and being able 1031 01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:32,079 to talk to you Ray hear about it. Yeah, And I guess it 1032 01:17:32,199 --> 01:17:39,039 also speaks volumes to like how established this series is and how you know, 1033 01:17:39,079 --> 01:17:42,760 there's a whole world building that went on, and you really it's tough to 1034 01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:45,800 even capture that, Like say, they did a good job, it's so 1035 01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:48,720 tough to capture the whole world of dragon Ball within just like a in this 1036 01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:51,119 case, it's like an hour and twenty five minute movie. I think, 1037 01:17:51,239 --> 01:17:55,600 Yeah, that's why you can't. You can't like condense all those episodes into 1038 01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:59,359 one, right. They condensed like all of dragon Ball pretty much except Piccolo 1039 01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:04,079 Junior, to like one movie and and even added more complicated stuff like him 1040 01:18:04,079 --> 01:18:09,600 being in high school and stuff like that, and bullying, which you know 1041 01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:12,520 you don't you don't do that like you do something like Browley movie. You 1042 01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:17,520 know that it's his own standalone story where something happened that doesn't cover too much, 1043 01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:20,279 like you don't need to know like all this different stuff. You could 1044 01:18:20,279 --> 01:18:24,640 have just enjoy it. But yeah, we'll see, we'll see if they 1045 01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:28,359 do any more live action movies of dragon Balls, dragon Balls, dragon Ball 1046 01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:33,600 Z. I can't see Netflix not wanting to try if they get their hands 1047 01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:38,079 on it, because like they're doing an Avatar live action, the Last Airbender 1048 01:18:38,159 --> 01:18:43,680 live action, so again with all of these cool powers and animated stuff, 1049 01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:45,720 I don't know how to make it look good like Game of Thrones worked because 1050 01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:50,600 all they needed to do is like fire, right, But I don't know 1051 01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:55,000 if like the effects are to the point where they can make all these energy 1052 01:18:55,079 --> 01:19:00,880 blasts, airbending, earthbending look good and not cringey and like unrealistic. So 1053 01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:05,079 we'll see, we'll see what Netflix has, We'll see how cinema develops into 1054 01:19:05,119 --> 01:19:12,439 being able to catch these things. But for the foreseeable future, all this 1055 01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:17,800 stuff will be much better enjoyed through animation than through live action. Yeah, 1056 01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:23,560 I agree, it's I mean, we could critique them, but it's tough 1057 01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:28,399 to be able to. There are limitations. There were probably money limitations. 1058 01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:34,000 We have no idea how committed these guys were to actually being faithful, or 1059 01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:36,640 if they just got a job and they're like, all right, let's get 1060 01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:40,960 that money. Yeah right, Like you have no idea what's going on beyond 1061 01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:45,039 closed doors. I feel like they had to have read or gone through the 1062 01:19:45,159 --> 01:19:48,119 entire series. There's no way they would just be like, hey, we're 1063 01:19:48,119 --> 01:19:50,520 going to hire these people. They haven't read. I feel like they would 1064 01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:54,800 have had to. But then they're probably I don't know if it was being 1065 01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:58,880 rushed or I don't know if it was like maybe they presented an earlier version 1066 01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:00,560 and they're like, no, we have to fall this holy rood kind of 1067 01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:08,600 structure and yeah, just it didn't feel I walked. When the credits went 1068 01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:13,279 up, I'm like, wow, that was so cheap. Yeah cool. 1069 01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:17,119 Anyways, guys, that is it's all the whole journey, from the beginning 1070 01:20:17,119 --> 01:20:21,119 of Drying Ball to Dragon Ball Super. Not sure what we're gonna do from 1071 01:20:21,159 --> 01:20:24,920 here. Ray and I will talk about it. Take some time. Follow 1072 01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:30,239 us on social media's to know when we decide what we're doing next, and 1073 01:20:30,399 --> 01:20:33,920 until next time see a Space Cowboys bang