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Well, we are still in the
midst of Labor Day weekend here in the

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US, which means a Monday national
holiday, but off the pseudo sort of

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weekend, the usual weekend that has
seen Chris you Bank Junior get his revenge

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against Liam Smith in Manchester, England. We were to recap that fight,

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that fight card, and much more
as part of the Fight Freaks Unite Recap

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podcast. I am merely the somewhat
capable host t J. Reeves. You

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hear the throat clearing of one Dan
Rayfield of Big Fight Weekend dot Com and

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his Fight Freaks Unite substack. My
friend. Good to reunite with you and

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I have been busy traveling. You've
been hanging at the ray Fuel estate this

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weekend for Labor Day. I have
traveled since we talked last on the podcast

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on the bet US Show from West
Central Florida after the Hurricane post Adalia the

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hurricane to State College, Pennsylvania.
First time ever I broadcast of the college

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football game from Penn State. Penn
State won their opening game with West Virginia.

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At the time we're chaping, I
have scrambled back to the Tampa Bay

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area with flights et cetera. And
we've gotten this workout. We're here for

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the peeps, even on a Labor
Day weekend to recap the fights, go

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over some fight news and some nostalgia. Uh, you've kind of taken it

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easy this weekend. How are things? Well, I'd take it easy every

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weekend if I'm not doing a fight. So, yeah, it's all good.

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You're chilling out, grilling out,
maybe no grill. But while we're

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doing the podcast, my wife and
son are at the pool. There we

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go, all right, So they're
taking care of some quiet going on.

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Yeah, I got some quiet in
the house as well. But we're gonna

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we're gonna be barbecuing tomorrow. It's
my wife's birthday. Tomorrow's we got all

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that going on. As we released
the podcast on Monday, that's her birthday.

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So we'll take care of all that. First. Let's take care of

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this business you need to read.
We got to get to one more important

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fact first, which is a couple
weeks ago you mentioned that your wife's birthday

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was coming up, and I told
you, you know, you better not

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sucked it up. Did you get
a present? So we are in the

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process of getting a new mattress.
This is very sexy, This is very

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romantic, but we need a new
mattress. Labor Day sales being what they

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are, that's the birthday present because
that it's not a gift card, that's

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not a meal out, that's like
a significant purchase. So we're in the

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process of getting that taken care of. So the answer is yes, my

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friend, we're on the case with
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Keep it up. We'll be here
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with the algorithm, etc. So
let's get right into the Sky Sports card,

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the U Bank win and everything that
happened. On a full disclosure again,

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I'm in full preparation to do the
college football broadcast Saturday night. I

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will tell you that LaVar Arrington,
the former Penn State great linebacker, the

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former Washington Redskin now commander linebacker in
the NFL he briefly played for your New

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York Giants as well. He's a
huge boxing fan. LaVar was doing the

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game with me. LaVar was at
spin Crawford and he's like talking my ear

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off about Terrence. Crawford didn't look
me up. I understand that we were

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out there. I said, you
got a roll with Rayphael here like me.

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But anyway, LaVar was out there
for that. We were watching a

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couple of the middle rounds. I
dialed it up on ESPN Plus of you

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Bank Smith. I believe it was
the fifth round. Dan, You're gonna

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pick it up in a second where
you Bank had him in trouble, and

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LaVar said, this could be over
right here, this could be a stoppage.

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He's not. I'm saying, he's
not firing back. So we've then

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had to break away because we're getting
ready for the broadcast. I then became

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aware that you Bank did eventually overwhelm
him and stop him. I have seen

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a little bit of the recaps of
the highlights. I now defer to the

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mighty one give us the takes on
what happened as you Bank got the revenge

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and the rest of the card.
What can you do other than give Chris

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you Bank credit for a tremendous performance, flawless in many respects. It didn't

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start out quite like that because he
spent the entire first round more or less

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like hanging on, grabbing holding.
I'm like, is this what this fight's

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gonna be like? Because maybe he's
gun shy because he got knocked out last

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time, so he doesn't want to, you know, deal with that again

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and you know, smother those punches
and he's just gonna stink it out and

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it's gonna be a terrible fight.
So I was kind of ticked off at

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the end of the first round because
he just basically helped I gave that first

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round to Liam Smith. There wasn't
a lot to separate them in that round,

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so you know, I took it
out on you Bang for holding as

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much as he did, and you
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Other than that, gave the round
to Liam Smith. Then it totally changed

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and from round two on he just
beat the living shit out of Liam Smith.

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Now Liam Smith and he rolled his
ankle early in the fight second round,

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I think on one of them rolled
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the fight spoke about how afterwards that
you know, he had to lose three

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stone going into camp. If you're
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fourteen pounds. So if you're losing
three stone, you're losing over forty pounds.

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But that's nobody's smokes. That's Liam's, you know. So if you're

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fighting at one sixty, that means
you were over two hundred. What what

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is that? That's Liam? That's
on Liam Smith. I mean you roll

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your ankle. I mean, shit
happens in a fight, you know that

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that that's what. Unfortunately, those
things happen injuries. But I understand he

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had the back situation and niggle as
we called it, that prevented this fight

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from taking place as scheduled in you
know, back in July, and so

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we said, you know, wait
a minute. Helped me just one more

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time on this. He was in
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ballooned at some point in the summer
until we got to the first week in

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September two, around one ninety five
is two hundred, he said, said

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his post fight interview with Andy Clark, who was one of the commentators on

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Sky which they played on ESPN Plus. Had he had to take off three

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stone. So if you do the
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or thereabouts. Uh. And so
if you're, you know, granted,

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when he's in training for July,
you're you're still you know, going to

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be several pounds away from the actual
contract. Way, but still that's a

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lot of weight between the last couple
of months sold. But again that's that's

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that's the athlete. I mean,
that's his fault in a sense. But

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either either way, I mean,
you know, I'm not big on excuses.

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Chris, you bank that the folks
should be on him because it was

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a brilliant plan. Look, he
had a ton of pressure on him.

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He got stopped in the first fight. Clean it was you know, that's

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embarrassing, especially when you talk as
much shit as Chris Eubank talked, and

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the fact that he was the favorite
and everything and he got he got knocked

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out. Now he comes back to
the exact same ring, same arena in

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Manchester for the rematch. This time
he's actually a slight underdog, and he

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looks horrible in the first round and
then it's like the clouds parted and the

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sun came out and he just went
to work and just damage damage, damage,

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pressure, pressure, pressure, and
and William Smith. And you know,

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look, we talked about all the
time TJ about compybox. Not ever

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the end all be all of boxing
match, but definitely a good guide.

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You know, if you take a
look at them and you use them in

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that way, they should be used
over a period of time. The compybox

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statistics in this fight are so ridiculous
overwhelming in favor of you Bank. I'll

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read off a couple of those stats
in a little bit. But he's towed

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a knockdown in round five, and
I thought the fight would be I'm sorry,

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he scored a knockdown in round four. I thought the fight might be

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over then. So that's where when
we were watching, I think it was

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the fifth round. Did you believe
when he had the barrage along the ropes

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for like thirty seconds and Smith wasn't
firing back that that might have been a

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stoppage when you were watching live like
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watching. So he had the big
fourth round with the knockdown on a beautiful

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upper cut, and then in the
fifth round, as you mentioned, he

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had him in big trouble. The
referee who I thought did a good job.

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N Kevin Parker was looking, you
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felt like he was thinking about a
stoppage. He knows Liam is a veteran.

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He didn't seem hurt hurt, so
I understand why he let the fight

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go. He was he slipped some
of those punches, and he caught a

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few on the gloves, and this
and that, and there was no like

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massive, like head rocking kind of
shot that would have, you know,

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have had the referee give him cause
to immediately jump in. And it was

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still relatively early in the fight,
so okay, he I thought he was

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fine to let that fight go at
that point. In the fifth round was

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just a rough one for him.
But Liam was was never really in the

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fight. That's the thing. Even
even if you gave him round one like

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I did, it wasn't like I
gave it to him because he dominated or

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who was a clear, clear kind
of win. It was more because of

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the holding and and all that that
that you Bank had done, which is

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why I scored it that way.
I have not seen the official scorecards.

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Sometimes it's difficult with the British fights
to get those if it's not a world

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championship fight, which this was not
uh and so you bank though scarp jab,

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tremendous defense, good body attack,
right hand was working very well,

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left hook was working very well obviously. And you have to give credit to

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Brian McIntyre, who was his new
trainer. He's in you know, he

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took over, so he certainly he
had his man prepared. He felt like

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it felt like a much more coherent
game plan where there there was clearly a

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specific thing. We're gonna rely on
the jab big time. His jab was

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tremendous and we're going to the body
like I feel like though, And I

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haven't talked to Brian about this,
but if I ever get a chance to,

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I'll ask him, like, was
that like the game plan to focus

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on the jab and go for the
body? Because those are the comparing I'm

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hearing Mickey from Rocky the body.
That's what he went hit him with a

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ton of body shots, now,
h and and Liam Smith, even when

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he did land the very few shots
that he did, never really seemed to

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have a lot of scheme on those
punches. Not a big puncher to begin

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with, even though he did score
the knockout in their first fight back in

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January, and uh, this is
I think it's not. I'm not going

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on on a limb here. So
Chris Jubank now improves his record to thirty

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three wins and three losses with twenty
four knockouts. The only time he ever

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was stopped was the loss to Smith
back in January. And he's been a

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professional since twenty eleven, so it's
been a long career for him at this

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point to me. And he's got
some other okay wins. You know,

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he's got a win over like Liam
Williams and he beat Corebov for example,

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back in twenty nineteen to fight I
was out at the Barclay Center. He's

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got a win over James de Gale, who was you know, became a

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world champion, was an Olympic gold
medalist. He's got the two previous losses

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to George Groves and also to Billy
Joe Saunders. But he beat like an

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older Arthur Abraham. He beat by
knockout Abney Yeldrum, who fought Canello for

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a title. So he has experienced
and he's fought some solid opponents and beating

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them. But I think that because
of what was at stake for his career,

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going forward, the pressure, the
anticipation, the hype on the fight.

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I believe that this fight against Liam
Smith, particularly when you look back

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on and see how he did it, this is the biggest win of his

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career, even though he's had other, you know, pretty good wins through

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the course of that long career.
So he's not a young fighter at this

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stage. I mean, not an
old fighter, but he's thirty three.

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He's been around for more than a
decade professionally, and this was a huge

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victory for him. And as we
talked about before, the middleweight division is

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so lesser, you know, it's
it's one of the historically you know,

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you know, glory divisions in boxing
history. It's at one of its lowest

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points in at least in my time
covering boxing twenty plus years. So I

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can think of where it's so disinteresting. We've gone over at Charlot has a

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title, been an active eight hundred
plus days, Ganati Golofkin gave up titles.

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Uh feels like semi retirement or retirement. You know. Arislandi Lara has

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a belt massively uh, you know, inactive and near the end of his

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career. Anyway, got gifted that
title when triple G vacated. You have

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Jannebec, you know, probably the
best guy around, has that, you

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know, two three defenses under his
belt. He's done to be in a

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unification with the Gultieri, who is
as unknown as anybody, and it's just

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not a great division. And now
you have you Bank and Smith who fight

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each other in a non title fight, and you Bank looks great and even

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now without a belt, but coming
off that kind of win and with his

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notoriety, he automatically vaults himself to
like the top of the vision, not

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necessarily in terms of like his ability
or his talent or they as a title.

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Just because he's got the name,
he can bring money to these guys.

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So I expect that, you know, he'll get some kind of big

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money fight. Now, I don't
know if that means. He mentioned two

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fights first in his interview. We'll
talk about that. He mentioned h Connor

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Dan of course, who was there, which we know the history of what's

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going on with that. He mentioned
kel brook who was there. Kel Brooks

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said in an interview earlier on the
broadcast that if he came out of retirement,

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he would want to fight the winner
of the main event, which turned

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out to be obviously, Chris Eubank
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Kelly should probably stay in retirement.
Who cares should stay retired? I agree,

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But in England that would probably get
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pressed again, who would you want
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He said, I want to fight
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too long. I'm coming for the
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tweet or my ex forever relent,
I appreciate the the exuberance, but by

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the way Gnatti gave up the titles
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as I wrote in my story,
and a lot of people, because there's

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so many people in this who are
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happened yesterday, much less what happened, you know, four or five six

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years ago. Back in twenty sixteen, there were two fights that were on

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the table. Kell Brooke was supposed
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supposed to fight Chris you Bank and
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partly his father and would and did
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even though Matchroom and the Triple G
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as you can remember, was the
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was the fight going to be in
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TRIPLEG was going to the UK they
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obviously concerned about what Triple G had
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to say we want to wait and
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at Tripleg. Okay, So what
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the exact reason, but the Brook
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remember the particulars on that. I'm
if there was a contract issue or an

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injury the Vargas. I just don't
remember what happened in that scenario, but

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I do remember that you bank just
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father or whatever, the bottom line
it was, he just he didn't take

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the fight, even though everybody thought
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to. So with both a sides
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Brook wasn't getting the Vargas fight and
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I guess also to fight against kel
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fight against you Bank, they took
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in a really kind of surprising manner
and would turn out to be kel Brook

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unable to get a top welterweight at
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title. This is prior to the
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kinds of trouble finding a good quality
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by everybody. They made the fight
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kel Brook who was moving up to
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and they made that match. Now, I went to London to cover

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that fight, and I can remember
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the way in and then afterwards sitting
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a bit. If you didn't know
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Ghanatti was the middleweight. In terms
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Brook was bigger than Ganati. Golofkin
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He got his face broken in an
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good goal for four or five rounds, but he's not a middleweight. So

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him fighting Chris Eubank now many million
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over Con probably not the best idea. But he wants to fight Ganati,

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and I'm like, okay, you
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when it really would have meant something. Now not so much. I mean

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Ganatti, you know, unless they
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money is probably unlikely because you know, it feels like he's in retirement.

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I mean that he had against Leean
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give a lot of credit to Brian
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training. Obviously, Brian coming off
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number one guy, Terrence Crawford over
Arrol Spence. So you know, I've

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had these conversations at times. You
know, Brian, he's not scared to

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say like he'd liked to be Trainer
of the Year. He wants to credit,

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he wants the accoltes. I can't
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and I would say, you know, in a nice way. I'm

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like, well, I'm one man, one vote when it comes to like

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say, the Boxing Writers Association of
America, And he's been on the ballot

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of my recollection in the past.
But what the mark of a guy that's

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the trainer of the year, unless
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you do it with more than one
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in that level. He's taken Terrence
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pound number one and just won the
most important fight of the year impressively against

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Arrol Spence. And a month later
he's now the trainer coming in as like

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essentially a hired gun with Chris you
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who got knocked out, whose career
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and he just doesn't just win the
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of Lean Smith and pummels them and
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trainer some of that credit. So
I tip my hat to Brian a mac

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and tire for Bollmack for doing a
great job with By the way, they

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can't see you. They can't see
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Rayfield literally did tip the hat when
he said tip at I'm the one that

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saw that, Brian. If Brian's
listening to our podcast, props to you,

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my brother, he got a hat. Okay, just one more on

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this and we'll move on to the
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wanted to go through the copybox for
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copy backs, and then I want
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much sense so therefore it won't happen
for you, Bank, But copybox bears

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out what you were saying. He
was dominant, and normally I don't go

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through the stats, but these are
so overwhelming. I like, I was

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thinking to myself, In all the
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after pretty much every televised fight that
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I can't remember there being something that's
just so absurdly one sided. Check

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these stats out, you, Bank
lands one hundred and ninety three to five

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hundred and eighty total punches, thirty
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Fifty one of those were body shots. So like, that's a lot for

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that a few in terms of overall
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shots of one hundred and ninety three
total landed. Big. Meanwhile, Smith

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in ten was a ten rounds nine
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thirty three punches out of one hundred
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I mean, we've seen guys land
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well, no output and no landing. So you bank lands more jabs,

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just jabs than total punches. That's
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landed almost as this U bank lands
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five to the total number of punches
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He outlanded Smith. And every single
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never landed more than seven punches in
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talk about closing the show the way
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your in trouble in the tenth round, Chris Jubank Junior outlanded Liam Smith twenty

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five to zero. That is as
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Big for him well stated on that, And you wonder if this is

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the end for Liam Smith. We
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that if he didn't get the win
here Andrey looked bad and you just

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mentioned all the weight problems and he's
thirty five, who knows? Who knows

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if he keeps going it does it
make way too much since so therefore it

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won't happen that with his Jana Beck
fight against Goltieri, right, the Italian,

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the obscure of Talian that just won
the w baer, the German that

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won the vacant belt. They're gonna
fight a unification fight. Call me crazy,

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but the winner of that fighting you
bank in England is a lucrative pay

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day, probably for the winner,
particularly Janna Beck, and you sell that

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out and you have it as a
pay per view in England for two of

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the titles Call Me Crazy, Call
me Early twenty twenty four. I can

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absolutely see that happening. You're giving
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means now it won't happen. There's
no complicated because those two guys are obscure

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for the most part. But they
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is something I assume that Chris would
want, which is a chance not only

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to fight for one title, but
to get too. It would provide a

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big payday for the winner of the
unification fight. It would provide obviously a

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great opportunity and obviously a big pay
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And it's very rare where a unified
champion would come as the B side but

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still be able to make, you
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So I mean again, I can't
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not out of the Roman possibly at
all, I think, because it's not

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like the winner between Janebec and Galti
Area are suddenly going to have huge options

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and Chris you Bank, now great
that I think, what's and on that

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point, what's the lucrative fight for
either one of them? If it's not

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you Bank, to your point of
what you've been saying for weeks about the

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middleweight division, there's not. It's
Gadi Glufkin's not coming out of retirement or

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you know, his sabbatic goal to
fight either guy. He doesn't want to

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fight Janebec, I think partly because
they're both from Kazakhstan, not that he

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would duck a guy he had the
opportunity to defend the ib of title and

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a vague hated it. You know, he was obligant to fight Falkau,

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who then lost in the vacant title
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Charlot fights not happening. I would
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different reasons. So yeah, I
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profile fight you can make in the
division. What's the old saying, fights

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make fights, and so you bank
wins. And let me tell you another

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thing, by the way, beating
Liam Smith is one thing. Beating him

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by a knockout is impressive because even
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his career, the guy only got
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and that was in a world title
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he got knocked out by Kennel albert
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the junior middleweight division. And so
for a guy with four losses, you

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know, only getting stopped by Kenello
when you bank that, look, you

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know, that's pretty impressive. I
mean, Smith was known to have a

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good chin. Full credit to Chris
Eubank Junior. He is again very popular

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and prominent, and he got his
revenge, all right. Rest of the

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undercard, you and I were debating, and last we talked on the bet

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Us show. Would Adam a Ziem, the junior welterweight prospect, get the

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knockout over the Ukrainian Fanyan? It
turns out, and again I've not seen

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this, I'd defer to you.
I read a little bit. I saw

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a couple of highlights. Apparently Fanyon
would opposed an awkward threat and the fight

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ends up being a distance fight.
So go over that and the rest of

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the undercard on the saw on the
show. Fanyan was not a guy with

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the big punching power and a zim
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He went the distance for the second
time in a row. You know,

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maybe the powers and not would have
looked like in the first handful of fights,

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which is not totally a shocker,
because when you're fighting those early fights,

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you're fighting guys that are typically you
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was a good learning fight for him. This was exactly what he needs.

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I mean, Fanyan came in very
experienced twenty four professional fights, had only

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lost one time previously. And while
it wasn't maybe the most exciting fight in

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the world. The good thing that
I did like about Azim, who clearly

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won the fight. It wasn't like
there was a controversy. One of the

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scorecards was a shutout. One judge
gave Fang in one round, one gave

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him two rounds. That seemed perfectly
reasonable. Is that in the later part

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of the fight, like rounds eight, nine, ten, Azim was starting

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to really pick it up and go
after and he was hurt him and he

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was doing damage, and there was
a couple of moments where he thought maybe

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he might get a stoppage or get
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but he closed well. So for
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the desire and the capability to go
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I thought that showed me something positive. So you might say, well,

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you know, he was supposed to
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don't buy that. I mean,
he's a young fighter. He's twenty one

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years fold with now only nine professional
fights. You know, I know he

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was in a big spot in the
co feature. And this actually was a

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fight that originally before it was postponed
because of his knuckle injury is he had

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an infection on his knuckle. This
was supposed to headline. He's just a

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normal Sky Sports card, so for
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big undercard like that, I thought
he quitted himself. Well. He speaks

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well, he's got a good personality. He seems like thoughtful when he gives

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his answers to his questions, and
you know, he can fight definitely,

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and it's just a work in progress. I mean, it's going to take

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him a little time. I think
they might. They don't. They shouldn't

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rush him. There's too much potential
there to rush him. So I think

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this was the perfect kind of matchup. Hopefully they can put him in a

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little bit of a step up again
next time around, and we'll see if

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he can get back to knocking guys
out. But there was nothing really negative

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to say about this because he did
win basically every single round, and he

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was hurting the guy late in the
fight. And you know what, as

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I talked about when we went over
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I made the point that fair or
unfair my experience, and you know,

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in almost twenty five years of covering
boxing, I never seen a Ukrainian

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fighter that wasn't tough. While Fanian
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the shots, it seems like,
and he was able to go the distance

406
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,880
was Zazim and it was a good
win. So that was the co feature.

407
00:24:56,839 --> 00:25:00,200
Below that, you add the heavyweight
British heavyweight who was a bronze medal

408
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,039
winner in twenty twenty Olympic Games,
Frasier Clark, who's got a you know,

409
00:25:03,279 --> 00:25:07,079
a kind of a jovial personality.
Uh. I kind of liked I

410
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:11,519
liked the guy. He's you know, he's he's older as terms of a

411
00:25:11,599 --> 00:25:14,920
quote unquote prospect because he's already thirty
two, because he waited a very long

412
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,400
time to term pro kind of like
a page out of the Joe Joyce book.

413
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:19,240
But they've been stepping him up.
Look, he beat in his last

414
00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:22,039
fight Marius Walk, an older fighter
but who had fought for a world title,

415
00:25:22,279 --> 00:25:25,599
went the distance with him. Dave
Allen, you know, kind of

416
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:30,119
a popular British level heavyweight who's fought
a lot of top guys. Uh,

417
00:25:30,319 --> 00:25:32,599
he went out there and he beat
him up. I mean, he did

418
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,440
get the duct to two points for
blows our belt line shots, but below

419
00:25:36,519 --> 00:25:38,440
the Bobova navel. We've discussed that
plenty over the last couple of weeks.

420
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:44,799
H and at the end after round
six Alan retired. They said it was

421
00:25:44,839 --> 00:25:48,839
from a perforated perforated ear drum,
but he was still taking a beating at

422
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,160
that stage of the game. So
that's a good solid win for Dave Allen.

423
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,640
I mean for for for Fraser Clark
to beat Dave Allen, We'll see

424
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,680
what he can. I'm assuming that
at some point in the next couple of

425
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,680
fights we'll see them try to maneuver
Frasier Clark, you know, into either

426
00:26:00,839 --> 00:26:03,279
like the British title, of the
Commonwealth title, perhaps the European title,

427
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,720
that level of a fight, and
just keep doing what he's been doing.

428
00:26:07,799 --> 00:26:10,519
But they don't have They don't want
to waste the time. He started two

429
00:26:10,599 --> 00:26:12,920
like I said, so it's a
quick uh, He's gonna move along quick.

430
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:18,960
And then another fight of some interest
was Michael La Mayer in her third

431
00:26:18,079 --> 00:26:23,319
consecutive fight in in England. Remember
she was the former junior lightweight unified titler.

432
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,079
She lost in England the title in
a very close fight against Alicia baumb

433
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:32,640
Garner. She came back in her
next fight, moved up to the one

434
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,240
hundred and thirty five pound weight class, also in England. That took place

435
00:26:34,279 --> 00:26:37,279
in April, and she won,
you know, more or less a shutout

436
00:26:37,319 --> 00:26:41,440
against Lucy Wildheart. And now she
moved up to one hundred and forty pounds.

437
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,440
She actually came in this fight a
little over that, like one forty

438
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:49,000
one and a quarter, and she
totally dominated and won a lopsided shutout decision

439
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,839
against a fighter named Sylvia Borto.
Now remember in England, when it's not

440
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,240
a championship fight, certain fights they
have only the referee scoring the fight,

441
00:26:56,319 --> 00:26:59,920
not a panel of three judges.
So in this particular instance, it was

442
00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:02,519
the referee, Steve Gray, who
was the one that rendered the one score,

443
00:27:02,559 --> 00:27:06,480
which was one hundred to ninety.
But when here's where we remind the

444
00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:10,440
jin ziers, the under thirty year
olds, this used to be the norm

445
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,680
back in the fifties and the sixties. It generally was, especially in American

446
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,960
boxing, only the referee when people
are going lait a minute. So they

447
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:22,119
still uphold that. That's amazing that
that still goes on. Yeah, right,

448
00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:25,839
So but the okay, so the
matchup itself was nothing to write home

449
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,039
about. But the talking point,
if you will, is she's fighting once

450
00:27:29,079 --> 00:27:32,519
again in front of the British audience. They're going to try to make this

451
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:37,480
fight and and Natasha Jonas, who
has in an Olympian, has titles in

452
00:27:37,519 --> 00:27:41,039
one hundred forty fifty four pound weight
last but came down and waiting one one

453
00:27:41,079 --> 00:27:45,799
hundred forty seven pound title recently.
She was there. She's with boxer.

454
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,599
They're going to try to make that
fight and I'm assuming that if they're able

455
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,440
to get that done. They spoke
about it after the fight. That's the

456
00:27:52,519 --> 00:27:56,359
fight that michaelists focus on, whether
it's the next fighter and two fights.

457
00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,640
The main thing is is she will
probably go back to the UK once again

458
00:28:00,039 --> 00:28:04,920
and fighting Natasha Jonas for her welterweight
title. So that's like in women's boxing,

459
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,640
that's a pretty kind of big ish
fight relatively speaking, because they're two

460
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,400
Olympians, they've both been champions.
Jonas is a very popular figure in the

461
00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:18,880
UK, particularly you know, among
the other female boxers that populate the sport

462
00:28:18,519 --> 00:28:22,480
in that country, so that that's
that's the reason why she's on this kind

463
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,400
of card. Let's see how she
looks. She did win handily and now

464
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:27,440
we can try to make the bigger
one. So she'll move up a few

465
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,440
more pounds and uh, and she's
got the frame to do it because she's

466
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,720
a tall she's tall for for one
hundred and thirty five. So that was

467
00:28:34,839 --> 00:28:37,559
that was that and then if you
want to get even further onto the undercard,

468
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:44,440
this was a pretty impressive knockout.
You had a Jack Cullen, uh,

469
00:28:44,519 --> 00:28:47,960
you know, kind of British level
fighter, but whatever. He scored

470
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,359
a really impressive knockout against Mark Cafron
in the third round to become the British

471
00:28:51,359 --> 00:28:55,200
and Commonwealth champion, take his titles
in one of the main in one of

472
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:56,039
the cards on the main one of
the fights on the main card. So

473
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,279
you know, a little bit for
everybody, yes, and that is it

474
00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:04,000
basically, because that was the most
prominent fight card. They're none really in

475
00:29:04,079 --> 00:29:07,599
North America again, college football starting
here, the NFL about the crank up.

476
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,279
So it's a little slower to begin
September here as we work our way

477
00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:15,119
at the end of the month,
and Ray Phels already got his bag packed,

478
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,880
I think for Canello and Charlo for
the end of the month. We

479
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,160
got a little while before we get
there on that, so good recap of

480
00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:23,079
that action. Let's get into some
news, which some of it is what

481
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,319
we've already talked about. Dan and
when we released the podcast on Friday,

482
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,400
becoming official something that we did not
talk about because it hadn't happened. But

483
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:37,400
apparently on Friday, Errol Spins made
it known to speaking of Bryan McIntyre Terrence

484
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,880
Crawford at his camp, he made
it known to them he does want the

485
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:47,079
rematch. He invoked the rematch clause. Not much else is really known,

486
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,559
although you've done some digging the last
couple of days. We don't know if

487
00:29:48,599 --> 00:29:52,880
that fight's going to be a junior
middleweight fight. We don't know when.

488
00:29:52,519 --> 00:29:55,960
What else have you found out since
that news has come out, now that

489
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,039
it's been a couple of days.
Well, so, first of all,

490
00:29:57,079 --> 00:30:00,279
when they did the deal for the
fighting the first place, one of the

491
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,720
terms was the winner we'll have to
sit tight, and the loser wants the

492
00:30:04,759 --> 00:30:08,920
rematch, they have thirty days to
invoke their rematch right. So obviously thirty

493
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,319
days has now been up because that
fight was on July twenty ninth. Here

494
00:30:12,359 --> 00:30:15,680
we are now a couple of days, you know, August twenty nine would

495
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:21,200
have been a month, but that
the winner would be so the loser can

496
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:22,559
invoke the rematch. It would be
the winner that would would be able to

497
00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:26,599
determine which weight class would be in, meaning either junior middleweight or welterweight.

498
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,599
So the first half of that was
Spence had to, I guess, notify

499
00:30:32,119 --> 00:30:36,240
team Crawford in an official capacity,
you know, I guess contractually or through

500
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,279
a letter or from his lawyer or
whatever, that yes, we're invoking our

501
00:30:38,319 --> 00:30:42,359
rematch. Right, so that apparently
has happened, what has not happened to

502
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:47,680
my knowledge, and I'm assuming that
will be in then in days we'll be

503
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,880
for Crawford to say, yes I
will do it at welterweight, or yes

504
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,640
I will do it at junor middleweight. Now, after the fight took place

505
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,400
in July, you know, obviously
Spence was like, I hope it's at

506
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,599
jerry middleweight. And when Terrence was
asked about it at the press convert and

507
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,920
I've seen him in subsequent interviews he's
done since he's been on his little victory

508
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,759
tour, he said, you know, he's never really pushed back, and

509
00:31:06,799 --> 00:31:10,480
he doesn't really seem to have a
problem doing the rematch at one fifty four,

510
00:31:10,519 --> 00:31:12,400
because whatever problems Errol had making weight, you know, it's not like

511
00:31:12,519 --> 00:31:15,880
Crawford makes it easily. So I
could definitely see that happening at one fifty

512
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:21,880
four. My understanding from the sources
I spoke to leading up to the fight

513
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,160
was that if the rematch were to
happen, and because the loser invoked it,

514
00:31:25,599 --> 00:31:27,160
it would be it would have to
take place by the end of this

515
00:31:27,279 --> 00:31:33,559
year. Well one of the so
when I confirm with one of the sources

516
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,079
that wasn't involved that knows what was
going on, that in fact, he

517
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,960
had invoked his rematch, right,
it was told to me the weight is

518
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,880
not determined yet, and that the
when and the way is not determined yet.

519
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,759
And I was reminded by that person
that they had to do it in

520
00:31:47,799 --> 00:31:51,480
the calendar year of twenty twenty three. But that's what it is said in

521
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:55,240
the original contract. There's nothing at
all that would prevent Terrence Crawford and Errol

522
00:31:55,279 --> 00:31:59,119
Spence amending that term and saying,
you know, okay, we're gonna do

523
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,200
this, but now it's got to
take place by I'm making this up,

524
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,519
you know, April or whatever.
In other words, you can change the

525
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,119
term as long as both sides signed. Often all right, but you just

526
00:32:07,319 --> 00:32:13,160
said a big time. You just
said a big qualifier if both sides agree.

527
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,119
So here's two points on this so
that we're clear, because I don't

528
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:19,680
think you mentioned this. It is
Crawford's choice because he won the fight.

529
00:32:19,759 --> 00:32:22,319
Whoever won the fight, so it's
ultimately up to him. And the one

530
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,720
thing that I think it's up to
him on the weight, correct, but

531
00:32:25,799 --> 00:32:30,359
it's his choice on the weight,
on whether it's junior middleweight or wealth weight.

532
00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:31,799
Now the second thing is, I'm
thinking this as soon as you brought

533
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:37,000
that up, the whole Tyson Fury
Deonte Wilder third fight and how it got

534
00:32:37,079 --> 00:32:42,759
all intertwined with the pandemic craziness and
the deadline of when the deal had to

535
00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:46,079
be done, and then Fury decided
basically, okay, it wasn't done by

536
00:32:46,119 --> 00:32:50,880
the term of the contract, so
now I can leave. As soon as

537
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,599
you said that, I'm now flashing
in my head it's in writing and they've

538
00:32:54,599 --> 00:32:59,039
got to go back over everything again
if it's not done by the end of

539
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,799
the year. So enlightening a little
more on whether that's way off. I

540
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,839
think you're conflating things that don't work
with each other. That was very much

541
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:12,160
pandemic related. This is a merely
a situation where if they talk to PBC,

542
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,319
to TGB, to showtime, and
there's other things that they're trying to

543
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,519
do, maybe Crawford doesn't want to
come back that quickly, Maybe Errol could

544
00:33:20,559 --> 00:33:23,799
use a little bit more time off
whatever they would just simply they could probably

545
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:30,440
do literally a single page document just
amending that term. Could they could?

546
00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:32,759
But let me make my point.
Let me make my point a little better

547
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:37,160
again. These are fighters. These
are two guys that spent the better part

548
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,400
of three years not being able to
agree and not being able to get it

549
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:45,640
done. And I, for one, am sitting here just having fun with

550
00:33:45,759 --> 00:33:50,079
you on the Labor Day recap saying, if they don't adhere to this contract,

551
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,160
I can totally see all of it
getting screwed up, and there's not

552
00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:58,799
a rematch because the term expired on
the deal and Crawford goes and fights somebody

553
00:33:58,839 --> 00:34:00,839
else, or don't. I don't, And I don't think you're skeptical.

554
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:07,039
You're not thinking it through. If
Crawford has, I mean, Spence has

555
00:34:07,079 --> 00:34:10,320
apparently exercised the rematch right, Crawford
will have to tell him to wait by

556
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:15,079
a certain deadline, and that would
mean the fight has to be by the

557
00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:17,559
end of the year. Both sides
are bound to that. Now. If

558
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:22,800
one or the other, or or
a go between like Hayman, like Showtime,

559
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:25,679
whoever says hey, guys, what
would you think about going on this

560
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:30,239
date, both sides would be like
okay, because I don't think there's a

561
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,679
giant desire for either guy to get
back in camp right away. I mean,

562
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,960
it was a long build up and
it was a you know, it

563
00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:42,320
was emotional and from a from a
point of view from Spence physical. Crawford's

564
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,480
been out celebrating for you know,
since the fight for the past month.

565
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:47,760
I don't think he's necessarily looking to
get back in camp tomorrow or anything.

566
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:52,320
So I think it's possible they might
just do the fight in December. Certainly

567
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:57,000
the rest of this year's calendar is
not set yet. But I also think

568
00:34:57,039 --> 00:35:00,519
it's entirely possible that they'll agree to
do the rematch, which I don't think

569
00:35:00,519 --> 00:35:04,079
there's a huge public demand for Frankly, and they may just go and do

570
00:35:04,159 --> 00:35:06,400
it. And you know, it
could be January, could be February whatever.

571
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,320
So it's not gonna be like the
term is gonna expire. They're either

572
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,360
gonna settle it for the end of
this year or they're going to agree to

573
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,599
go in some you know, first
quarter. Let's say again, I'm skeptical.

574
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,199
I'm on the record skeptical last fall, over and over again. They're

575
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,159
close to agreeing, they're talking,
they're back and forth last fall, blah

576
00:35:25,199 --> 00:35:30,599
blah blah. Meanwhile, Terrence Crawford
was making his own side deal unbeknownst to

577
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:35,199
everybody until he's sprung in on everybody, and so then it became well,

578
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,639
now they're not going to fight in
late last year, they're not going to

579
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,599
fight at the beginning of twenty twenty
three. Just recapping and going over the

580
00:35:40,679 --> 00:35:45,559
facts, you kept you kept saying, I'm hearing Errol Spence is gonna fight

581
00:35:45,679 --> 00:35:47,960
Keith Thurman in a non title fight, and I looked at you cross side

582
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,960
on these video hookups, going what
are we doing? We got all the

583
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:58,840
way to hold on, We got
all the way to this summer before they

584
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,039
fought. To to sit here and
say that if they don't adhere to the

585
00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:07,239
contract that the squabbling won't resume about
what weight where when it's not contractually there.

586
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,760
I'm skeptical that this could screw it
up and it could be next summer

587
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:16,599
again, or is in place neither
side. You and I are familiar with

588
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:22,440
contracts, and if it has a
date deadline on one side could decide that's

589
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,920
it. I agree with you on
the premise that it should get done.

590
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:30,960
It's the most lucrative fight, but
you have to concede to me. These

591
00:36:30,039 --> 00:36:35,639
two tap danced, avoided each other
and didn't fight for three plus years when

592
00:36:35,679 --> 00:36:37,840
everybody wanted to see it. Lived
it. I get it all. I

593
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:45,800
lived it. Lived about this other
than the fact is the default is the

594
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,639
fight is happening. Prowford's got to
tell us what the weight is and we

595
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,639
got to get the date set up. That's right by December. There we

596
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:57,960
go. Otherwise Otherwise it's big trouble, and I'm just on the ref it's

597
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,440
big trouble because they would have if
they approach one another about the prospect of

598
00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:06,320
going early in next year and one
side or the other says no, they'll

599
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,199
just do it this year. End
the story. Spence is not going to

600
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,880
let that. You have much more
confidence. You have much more confidence about

601
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,440
what you just said right there than
I do on that one. Again,

602
00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:22,400
facts, Terrence Crawford was negotiating another
fight in the middle. Dude, dude,

603
00:37:22,559 --> 00:37:24,960
I understand that, but this is
what we're dealing with. He's still

604
00:37:25,079 --> 00:37:30,920
mad at them. He's still mad
forever in language even you'll understand. Yeah,

605
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:37,960
if it happens, fine, If
it doesn't happen, who cares if

606
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:43,440
it doesn't happen. Reeves will remind
Raphael that I was talking Labor Day weekend

607
00:37:43,639 --> 00:37:45,719
that it's not just so simple that
they're going to fight again. Never did

608
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,960
you hear the words from my mouth
say it's simple. All right? They

609
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,960
have a contract, though, let's
see if they addhere to it. All

610
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,400
right, let's let's move on on
that and hopefully we will find out when

611
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,559
all right, Alexis Rocha is going
to be back. You talked about this

612
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,199
before the data set. Give me
more on that real quick. In the

613
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,519
news. This is a good matchup. This is two undefeated walter weights.

614
00:38:04,519 --> 00:38:09,159
Alexis Rocha, who was actually Crawford's
WBO mandatory. He actually stepped aside to

615
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,400
allow the Crawford fight to be for
all four belts. He is going to

616
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,360
fight on October twenty feet with this
has all been announced now at the Key

617
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,719
of Form, which is in Inglewood, California, right out you know,

618
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:24,559
in the LA area, against the
undefeated Giovanni Santion. It makes my heart

619
00:38:25,079 --> 00:38:30,320
filled with joy that top rank who
promotes Santion and a golden boy that promotes

620
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,840
Rocha were able to very easily make
this deal to put their two guys in.

621
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,039
Rocha is twenty three. They're not
both Hidefeata Roach has got the one

622
00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:39,320
loss to Rashidi Elisei's twenty three and
one with fifteen knockouts, but he's won

623
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,519
a bunch of fights in row.
He's looked really good, he's getting better,

624
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,599
he's drawing a crowd, he's exciting. And Santion has stayed undefeated.

625
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:51,239
He's thirty one and oh with sixteen
knockouts, and uh, you know,

626
00:38:51,559 --> 00:38:53,760
he's got a couple of solid wins. He beat Antonio with the Mark always

627
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:58,559
coming off a nice win over Eric
Bonet this summer in July. And so

628
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,639
again, this is in a welterweight
division that is all generously described it as

629
00:39:02,679 --> 00:39:07,920
in transition given what's happened with Spence
and Crawford and with both of them probably

630
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,119
going on to the next weight class, that this is the kind of fight

631
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,840
that, again, depending on what
happens, I think at this moment,

632
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,400
it may not be for any kind
of world title or eliminator, as roach

633
00:39:17,519 --> 00:39:22,159
is already the mandatory, but I
could see definitely a possibility depending on how

634
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:27,000
quickly things get ironed out with the
Crawford Spence particulars, that it's not out

635
00:39:27,039 --> 00:39:29,920
of the realm, that could wind
up being for like the WBO interim title,

636
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,000
which would then mean that the winner
would probably ultimately be elevated because Spence

637
00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:37,400
will be fighting Crawford and the Dream
midweight division, so Crawfords titles at some

638
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,880
point will splinter. So there's definitely
some stakes there. And it's a good

639
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:44,559
matchup because Roacha, like I said, one of the better welterweights in the

640
00:39:44,679 --> 00:39:50,239
in the division and Santone also maybe
not quite as highly regarded as Roacha,

641
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,840
but you know, good solid matchup
for this Golden Boyd de Zone card October

642
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:57,639
twenty feet again, and the Forum
has had so many legendary fights and they've

643
00:39:57,679 --> 00:40:00,519
remodeled it. It's now more of
a concert venue. It's still on the

644
00:40:00,559 --> 00:40:04,039
property. There was stadium, the
football stadium, but they still will have

645
00:40:04,199 --> 00:40:07,440
fights. That's interesting that it's at
that venue. I have covered several fights

646
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,599
there. I covered Ganadi Glofkin fight
there. I've covered one Danuel Marquez against

647
00:40:10,599 --> 00:40:13,960
Mike Alverado. There, I've covered
I mean, I can't think of every

648
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,159
one of them off top of my
head, but I've covered a number of

649
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,679
boxing events there. I love that
building. I would much rather cover fight

650
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,400
at the Forum than this may be
blasphemy to some UH, than the than

651
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:31,800
the Tennis Center down in Carson.
I know the yes right exactly by the

652
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:37,880
way on that undercard that they so
the roaches Santon was announced. The undercard

653
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,559
was not announced, but I was
told by Eric Gomez, the president of

654
00:40:40,679 --> 00:40:45,199
Golden Boy, that their top prospect, the lightweight Floyd Schofield, will appear

655
00:40:45,199 --> 00:40:49,679
in the co feature announced and there's
another fight card, a women's championship fight

656
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,559
confirmed by Eric Gomez as well as
by Samson Lukewitz, who was the promoter

657
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:58,800
for the UH. The female boxer
Gabriela Fendra, who was the younger sister

658
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:04,000
of Sebashim, and she will challenge
the IBF Women's flyweight champion Arlie Musino.

659
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,960
Musino for her title also on that
show. So they're building that card out

660
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:13,039
and Rocha again along with Jeron boots
In is kind of the next level of

661
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,800
are they going to get title shots
and that kind of thing, etcetera,

662
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:20,280
etcetera. All right, a couple
more news items in some nostalgia and we're

663
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,480
gonna get out of here. I
promise it's on the rundown. What is

664
00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:28,960
this about the WBA and mak muchar
and and please tell me, please tell

665
00:41:29,039 --> 00:41:30,719
me. We're not going to spend
more than a couple of minutes. We're

666
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:36,199
not this go and I'm gonna try. I'm gonna try. I can't promise

667
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,480
you, TJ, can't promise you
audience. I'm gonna try not to curse.

668
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:44,920
So right now, the F bomb
count is zero by my recollection in

669
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,960
this podcast, So if you need
to let one loose in your frustration,

670
00:41:47,079 --> 00:41:52,159
that would be your first go.
So. I don't think anybody that's ever

671
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,719
read anything I've written or listened to
any of my commentary over the last however

672
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:59,639
many years, knows that I've always
had a beef with the WBA about their

673
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,800
use of the extraneous titles in the
same weight class. A couple of years

674
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,760
ago, they finally found some religion
because they were about to be shut down

675
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,159
and determined, we're not going to
do this anymore. They eliminated all the

676
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:14,000
interim champions on the same day and
they put forth a policy where they were

677
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,960
going to try to have the interim
or the regular champions in the super champions

678
00:42:16,199 --> 00:42:22,880
fight to consolidate. And I've had
a thousand conversations and text messages, etc.

679
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:27,800
With Gilberto Mendoza, who is the
president of the WBA. Gilberto and

680
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,360
I may not see eye to eye
on tight on a lot of things,

681
00:42:30,599 --> 00:42:32,400
but we get along very well.
I actually liked Gilberto. I think he

682
00:42:32,559 --> 00:42:36,440
likes me. We respect each other
from that standpoint, and we have a

683
00:42:36,559 --> 00:42:40,519
very cordial working relationship from the standpoint
of, you know, organization president and

684
00:42:40,639 --> 00:42:45,519
journalists, even if we don't agree
on everything. And I will say this

685
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,840
and again, I've been as critical
as anybody whoever walked the face of the

686
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,519
earth about the w BA. They've
actually done a good job in eradicating the

687
00:42:53,599 --> 00:43:00,079
secondary titles. At one point they
had in seventeen weight classes. Like I

688
00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:01,519
don't know what it was, like
forty champions or something like that, you

689
00:43:01,599 --> 00:43:07,599
know, between interims and regulars and
supers and this, and that was ridiculous.

690
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:12,159
They're now down to their normal compliment
of seventeen champions. I'm not I

691
00:43:12,159 --> 00:43:14,920
can't remember if thought mad if any
of them are vacant, but they only

692
00:43:15,039 --> 00:43:21,599
have four. They only had four
titles that were secondary once. What happened

693
00:43:21,639 --> 00:43:25,920
on last week when Usek defeated dub
Duba was a secondary heavyweight title older so

694
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,840
that went away. They had four
divisions left that still had a super champion,

695
00:43:31,519 --> 00:43:34,760
and I'm like, okay, that's
good. One was welterweight, which

696
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,400
is in the process of being dealt
with because of what's happening. One was

697
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,079
super middleweight. Who knows what's going
to be with that with David Morrell and

698
00:43:40,519 --> 00:43:45,440
Canelo Alvarez. One was straw weight, which was a fight that actually is

699
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:50,119
now scheduled to consolidate those belts.
So was they were making the progress.

700
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,239
And I had said numerous times,
half joking, half kidding, like one

701
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,239
of the happiest days of my life
will be when we can look at a

702
00:43:54,280 --> 00:44:00,039
list of champions and see there's only
one WBA Champion per division. So we

703
00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:04,679
were making progress with Dubois being eliminated
with that with that belt when he got

704
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,840
knocked out by Alexandrush the other you
know, last week or two weeks ago,

705
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:15,239
and so four or five days after
that, the vacant or the not

706
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:19,679
the vacant, the secondary heavyweight title
is now back. And the reason is

707
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,800
because mak Muchar, who was like
a like a middling kind of heavyweight,

708
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:29,039
you know, once fought the Tally
Klitschko for the WBC title, got stopped

709
00:44:29,039 --> 00:44:31,679
on a horrendous cut and what turned
out to be the Tally's final professional fight.

710
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,920
He ended up winning the secondary title
against Alexander oustin off years ago,

711
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:43,440
never defended it at all, kinds
of issues, ultimately was put in recess

712
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,199
and was then supposed to fight Trevor
Bryant in the United States. Now there's

713
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,960
so many convoluted things I'm not even
getting into it. But the end,

714
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:55,239
the end result was that fight never
happened. He was stripped of that situation.

715
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,960
Brian ended up fighting and ultimately getting
that title, then getting knocked out

716
00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:04,880
by Dubo. He blamed char did
the visa issue that was he claims was

717
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,519
because of the machinations of the WBA
and Don King, who was Trevor Bryant's

718
00:45:09,559 --> 00:45:13,719
promoter, and a lot of issues
that were going on, and he sued.

719
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,199
He sued everybody. He sued the
w BA, he sued Don King,

720
00:45:16,519 --> 00:45:21,800
he sued Gilberto Mendoza up personally,
everybody but the easter body. We

721
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,199
get it exactly. So this thing
has been in litigation and and the WBA

722
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,840
knew that they were on really shaky
ground and probably if it went to court,

723
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,760
they were going to lose, and
so they did what they had to

724
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:37,119
do to preserve the organization from a
massive judgment in my opinion, and I've

725
00:45:37,199 --> 00:45:43,960
read the lawsuit and it was it
was damaging, believe me. So the

726
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:47,119
settlement that they made to not go
to court. Part of that settlement was

727
00:45:47,199 --> 00:45:51,440
that char now that Duboi. I'm
sure this was in the works prior to

728
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,239
the USIG fight, and it didn't
then just amazingly happened four days later.

729
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:59,960
They have reinstated shar to the regular
title. So we have an addition,

730
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:05,280
no regular champion now of the WBA, And I can almost live with that

731
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,800
from the standpoint if i'm if I'm
with the WBA, and it's the only

732
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:12,920
way to preserve ourselves to go back
to this situation. You know it's temporary.

733
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,519
I get it. What And I
still haven't gotten an answer for this,

734
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:22,280
and I've asked Gilberto several times via
messages. One of the things that

735
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:28,280
they said was, yes, you
are now reinstated as the WBA Regular Champion,

736
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,360
but you haven't till October. I
forget the exact date. You must

737
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:37,280
defend the title by October fourteenth is
a date against a Gerald Big Baby Miller,

738
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,480
who was like number five in the
WBA ratings. And I must blew

739
00:46:40,559 --> 00:46:45,079
my fucking brains out. There's the
I'm sorry about that. I couldn't help

740
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:51,239
myself. So roughly, roughly about
forty five days, you've got to fight

741
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,000
Jarrell big Baby Miller. We're going
to strip you of this title that we're

742
00:46:54,039 --> 00:46:58,280
trying to delete, it said.
They didn't say that. I assume that

743
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,719
would be the case, but he
asked if I Jerald Miller, and can

744
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:05,559
I can I just bring it?
Hold on, I need to finish this.

745
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:10,360
I under understand that I'm not gonna
stop. I'm I'm gonna fell buster

746
00:47:12,159 --> 00:47:15,719
finished. But wait, that's that's
two Hold on because you lost me,

747
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:20,039
you lost something, You lost me
on something, and I think you might

748
00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:23,760
have lost the audience on this too. They're gonna have this fight with Jarell

749
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:28,440
Miller, who's the fifth rank contender? I'm getting there, So what are

750
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,400
they? What are they designating Char
right now? If du Bois was the

751
00:47:31,559 --> 00:47:35,760
one and where is three or four? That's what I don't understand. So

752
00:47:36,119 --> 00:47:37,599
why is out? Why I lost? That? Be correct? We know

753
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:42,480
that, yes, So the point
I'm making is they gave the position to

754
00:47:42,599 --> 00:47:45,760
fight for the challenge of Char's regular
title. Who in the number five guy?

755
00:47:46,039 --> 00:47:52,760
And my question repeatedly in text messages
to Gilberto, who has not responded,

756
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,320
is what the heck happened to the
guys who are in front of uh

757
00:47:55,719 --> 00:48:00,679
Jerald Miller, including people like Deante
Wilder for example, And that to me

758
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:04,159
is a bizarre thing. And Jerald
Miller is the worst guy you could pick

759
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,920
the challenge for that Time's a guy
that tested positive for every drug under the

760
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,800
sun, even though he's paid some
element of a debt because he was off

761
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:14,039
for all those years? Why are
you giving him the opportunity? And the

762
00:48:14,119 --> 00:48:16,199
other thing they said in the ruling
was the winner of this proposed fight between

763
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:21,960
Shar and Miller is that they would
have to then have a mandatory against a

764
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:28,800
designated challenger by the WBA. It's
a fucked up situation existing. I'm tired

765
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,199
of talking about it, Amen.
And the bottom line is char Is thirty

766
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:35,480
eight years old, going nowhere and
never gonna fight Alexander Usak, who just

767
00:48:35,519 --> 00:48:37,920
fought the WBA number one guy.
So what are we doing? Let's move

768
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,760
on. We did talk a lot
as we released the podcast Friday of Labor

769
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:47,360
Day weekend about the Jena Beck Gulatieri
fight, and now the official date has

770
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:51,159
been made. You were talking about
that. Keyshawn Davis is the co feature.

771
00:48:51,199 --> 00:48:52,679
Do we have a site on that
along with the date or is that

772
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,400
still to be determined? You know, they just made it official. So

773
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:59,079
this is the story with that.
It's going to be that unification between the

774
00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:04,199
Jena gutierres October fourteenth, which that
I had reported previously and that it was

775
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,519
going to be in Texas officially now
will be in a place called Rosenberg,

776
00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:10,639
Texas, which is a half hourish
outside of Houston. It's a Houston suburb

777
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,840
and it's a brand new building that
opened last week, like a ten thousand

778
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:19,039
seat arena. That's not what they're
going to necessarily scale it for. But

779
00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:22,960
it's called the Ford Bend Epicenter in
Rosenberg, Texas. So this is a

780
00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:25,400
new building. I'm familiar with a
lot of Texas and I've never heard of

781
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,679
Rosenberg, Texas. And You've covered
a lot of fights in Texas, and

782
00:49:28,679 --> 00:49:30,519
I've been to Texas a bunch.
I'll be in Houston with the Buccaneers later

783
00:49:30,639 --> 00:49:35,320
this year. You have educated me
in my fifty third year on Rosenberg,

784
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,639
Texas. We'll have to go to
see where how where it was in its

785
00:49:38,639 --> 00:49:43,079
because Texts obviously is a huge state. Is a is a let's call it

786
00:49:43,119 --> 00:49:46,599
an ex surb of Houston. And
Uh, again, this is a brand

787
00:49:46,599 --> 00:49:51,760
new building that's gonna look to get
some national television exposure for their for their

788
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,039
for their arena. When I read
the little chatter on the on the top

789
00:49:54,119 --> 00:49:57,800
rank press release, I loved that
how they talked about how it you know,

790
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,000
it's perfect for sports events and and
and different you know, uh,

791
00:50:01,159 --> 00:50:06,000
different other functions. One of the
things that they mentioned was a livestock Uh

792
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:10,239
shows, Yes, Texas and those
are big deals to show and Raphael,

793
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,880
you gotta go cover one at some
point, just so I can all we

794
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:17,280
can all law They show, they
show the show cattle, show cows,

795
00:50:17,519 --> 00:50:22,159
show pigs. This is a big
deal in Texas. This is this is

796
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,079
money. Big money exchanges hands on
this stuff too. And just follow up

797
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,559
from my report from the last pot
where I did say Keishan would be the

798
00:50:30,599 --> 00:50:32,519
co feature, he has been announced
He'll be in the co feature, Keishan

799
00:50:32,599 --> 00:50:37,239
Davis in a ten round lightweight fight
against the Philadelphia fighter. Now he'll albright

800
00:50:37,679 --> 00:50:38,800
uh you know, for where he
is in his career. Not not a

801
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:43,719
terrible matchup at all. All Right, nostalgia And we're stretching a little bit

802
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:45,000
on nostalgia. And we're at the
end of the podcast, but you've got

803
00:50:45,039 --> 00:50:51,840
two pieces. One of them is
coming midweek for September six. Let's talk

804
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,800
about that first. That's the nineteen
ninety seven title win by Eric Morales on

805
00:50:55,920 --> 00:51:00,800
that date twenty six years ago,
when he falls Daniel Zaragoza. Tell me

806
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:05,440
more about the nostalgia for that for
Morales. Well, we all know Eric

807
00:51:05,519 --> 00:51:07,440
Rales went on to become one of
the all time greats, but his very

808
00:51:07,519 --> 00:51:13,679
first World championship fight was he fought
the grizzled veteran Daniel Zaragosa was also a

809
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,039
Hall of Famer, was one of
the greats. They met, like you

810
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:19,920
mentioned, September sixth, nineteen ninety
seven, which is the anniversary, is

811
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,800
on Wednesday in El Paso, Texas, big Mexican crowd for two Mexican fighters,

812
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:27,360
and this was a very young Eric
Morales winning his first world championship on

813
00:51:27,519 --> 00:51:30,559
HBO. In the main event,
he won the WBCs on hundred twenty two

814
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:34,719
pound title. He stopped Zaragosa in
the eleventh round in a great performance and

815
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,559
it was like a passing of the
torch kind of night because here you have

816
00:51:37,639 --> 00:51:40,880
the old that Zaragoza, uh,
you know, giving him a good go

817
00:51:42,159 --> 00:51:45,360
and but losing in what was a
close fight up till the knockout where I

818
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,679
think, if I remember correctly,
he kind of hit him in the pit

819
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,960
of the gut and Zaragos was pretty
much done and kind of waved the glove

820
00:51:52,039 --> 00:51:54,400
and you know, basically was like
I would say he quit, but he

821
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:59,599
it was it was like he was
handing off the mantle, if you will,

822
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:04,199
to the young, exciting newcomer in
moraleson So you know, It's like

823
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,960
when the title changes hands, it's
one thing, But when it's a hall

824
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,280
of famer in waiting, who is
the one that passes it and the guy

825
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:15,000
that beats him goes on have a
career even deader than Zara Gos's career and

826
00:52:15,039 --> 00:52:17,159
become a Hall of Famer in his
own right. That's important in boxing,

827
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,880
and it was. It was.
It was a very very good fight,

828
00:52:21,159 --> 00:52:23,599
a great performance from a young Morales
who was filled with spirit and energy and

829
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:27,119
you know, had the best days
of his career ahead of him and went

830
00:52:27,159 --> 00:52:30,639
on to have a glorious career.
And that was the beginning of this championship

831
00:52:30,679 --> 00:52:32,880
run that extended, you know,
as a junior featherweight champion, as a

832
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,920
featherweight champion, moved up in one
delts, you know, in the one

833
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,159
hundred thirty one hundred forty poundweight classes, and uh, you know, one

834
00:52:40,159 --> 00:52:44,519
of the one of the great Mexicans
of all time. And that was That's

835
00:52:44,559 --> 00:52:46,280
been that long ago there you go. And speaking of that long ago,

836
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:50,599
we don't have a whole lot of
other nostalgia. So my man Rayphael goes

837
00:52:50,679 --> 00:52:54,480
back to nineteen o six, one
hundred and seventeen years ago, Sunday as

838
00:52:54,519 --> 00:53:00,000
we released the podcast on September three
of nineteen oh six. You are confirmed.

839
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:04,199
I mean you were not ring side? Was what happened with Battling Merchant

840
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:08,239
was not ring side either, right? Battling Nelson and Joe Gans. Why

841
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:13,320
did this make the rundown on nostalgia
from nineteen oh six real quick? Well,

842
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,559
because, like I've said to you, when we talk our nostalgia,

843
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:19,039
I feel like it's ours now.
Grant, I wasn't there as as you

844
00:53:19,199 --> 00:53:22,719
know. You know, I don't
care. Our parents weren't around. No

845
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:27,599
people are grand parents largely weren't around
one hundred and seventeen. Does anybody still

846
00:53:27,639 --> 00:53:30,480
alive that's from nineteen oh six?
Probably not, probably not at seventeen years

847
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:35,880
ago. But I like to talk
history. I can ser myself a historian

848
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,880
to a degree in boxing. And
it's great to like think about things because

849
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:44,840
not everybody has been a boxing fan
for fifty years or twenty years or three

850
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:46,840
years. A lot of people have
just started. And I always encourage people

851
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:52,079
to go on YouTube and you know, go do some reading and check out

852
00:53:52,119 --> 00:53:55,000
what's going on. And in this
particular instance, you have Battling Nelson.

853
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:59,760
He won the lightweight title over Joe
Gans. Now, Joe Gans was the

854
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:04,239
first ever African American world champion in
boxing history. That's kind of a big

855
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,639
deal. And Battling Nelson, you
know, he be defeated him by a

856
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,559
disqualification on a low blow. Here
we are talking about low blows from one

857
00:54:10,599 --> 00:54:14,239
hundred seventen years ago. But this
is what we'll blow people's minds. Now,

858
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,079
keep in mind, by the way, Dattling Nelson may have won the

859
00:54:16,199 --> 00:54:21,119
title by a DQ over Joe Gains. It was the first of their three

860
00:54:21,199 --> 00:54:29,159
fights, Dattling Nelson one, the
second and the third fights on knockouts.

861
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,239
But the thing that's crazy about their
first fight, it was a DQ on

862
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:37,719
a low blow. It took place
in round number forty two. I'm sorry,

863
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:43,199
did you say round number four or
two? Round forty two? Round?

864
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,719
They fought forty two rounds and then
it ended in a DQ on a

865
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:52,760
low blow. Correct. How Now, interestingly, what was and I don't

866
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:58,119
know this, A lot of times
they would have scheduled how many rounds,

867
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,880
but a lot of times it was
your fighting until someone wins. Do we

868
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:07,039
have any idea if this was one
of those title fights that was you You're

869
00:55:07,159 --> 00:55:10,679
fighting until someone wins. If we
sit here until Thursday, you're gonna fight

870
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:14,400
an eightieth round or one hundredth round
if we have to. I don't know.

871
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:15,280
I think I made a mistake when
I spoke. By the way it

872
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:20,639
was, it was Joe Ganz who
won the fight, and it was Battling

873
00:55:20,679 --> 00:55:23,719
Nelson that won their second and third
fights. Okay, so my bad if

874
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:28,760
I spoke misspoke about that. But
so Joe gans wins on a thirty third

875
00:55:29,039 --> 00:55:32,360
I'm sorry, A forty second round
knockout in this fight not go on a

876
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:37,039
DQ on a DQ. But the
thing that's fascinating to me is it was

877
00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:39,000
a as you said, a lot
of those old time fights that were scheduled

878
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:43,320
for crazy numbers of rounds forty five
and fifty rounds and whatever. By my

879
00:55:43,519 --> 00:55:45,920
understanding and everything I've read and looked
up and researched on it, this fight

880
00:55:46,079 --> 00:55:50,280
was a fight that did not have
a maximum number round schedule. This was

881
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,480
literally and I think there's actually a
minute I'm gonna do my professional wrestling until

882
00:55:53,480 --> 00:56:00,519
I finish, no time limit,
no disqualification. There must be a renner.

883
00:56:00,159 --> 00:56:04,840
There wasn't. Well, there was
a disqualification in this one wrestling there

884
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,559
it was a fight that was a
fight to the finish without a scheduled I

885
00:56:08,639 --> 00:56:14,039
mean, because they would have heavyweight
title fights peeps in the early nineteen hundreds

886
00:56:14,079 --> 00:56:19,679
Jack Johnson, et cetera, that
did not have a scheduled amount of ending

887
00:56:20,159 --> 00:56:24,880
on that where they might fight thirty
forty fifty rounds. There's no doubt on

888
00:56:25,039 --> 00:56:30,719
that. So that's amazing. And
then they fought two more times brother ray

889
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:34,599
Field, and both of those fights
we don't know if with a scheduled certain

890
00:56:34,599 --> 00:56:37,719
amount of rounds, but both of
those fights between games in Battling Nelson went

891
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:44,079
over forty rounds. Also in the
second fight, it was battling Nelson who

892
00:56:44,159 --> 00:56:47,400
gained revenge by a seventeenth round knockout
in their round seventeenth round, But it

893
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:53,199
was scheduled for forty five, our
main event, ladies and gentlemen, scheduled

894
00:56:53,199 --> 00:56:57,519
for forty five. It just doesn't
Yeah, it's not so in the third

895
00:56:57,559 --> 00:56:59,639
fight, so I remember. So
now, Joe Gans wins the first fight

896
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:06,199
by a forty second round disqualification.
Nelson rebounds and wins the rematch in a

897
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:09,039
seventeenth round knockout out of forty five
scheduled rounds and now they're one and one,

898
00:57:09,079 --> 00:57:12,039
so you got to have a rubber
match, right. So in the

899
00:57:12,119 --> 00:57:15,920
third fight, it was battling Nelson, who also wins by a twenty first

900
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:21,440
round knockout in another schedule five rounder. My god finished stuff fight to the

901
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:23,960
by the way. The other thing
about this fight, it took place in

902
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:28,840
a place called Goldfield, Nevada.
It was the first fight where the famous

903
00:57:29,559 --> 00:57:32,920
promoter of you know, one of
the top names of back in those days,

904
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,360
Tex Rickard dubbed it the fight of
the Century and which was used a

905
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:42,880
few times but disapparently was the first
time that was sentury in nineteen h six.

906
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,480
Yeah, so the early part of
the century. Yes. But the

907
00:57:45,559 --> 00:57:47,159
thing is because it took place in
Goldfield, Nevada, it was actually one

908
00:57:47,199 --> 00:57:52,559
of the fights that was kind of
tagged with the of making the Vada a

909
00:57:52,679 --> 00:57:57,559
place where fights. Now, obviously
it's before the gambling Vegas, but it

910
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:01,239
helped sort of pave the way to
make that a place when they did some

911
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:04,880
major professional fights. And again,
this was a big deal. Back in

912
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,000
those days, there was not seventeen
weight classes. You know, it was

913
00:58:07,079 --> 00:58:09,320
hard to win a world title.
This was like the recognized title. They

914
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:14,199
fought three times for lightweight titles.
Amazingly, it wasn't one hundred thirty five

915
00:58:14,239 --> 00:58:17,000
pound fight. It was one hundred
thirty three pound fight. So they did

916
00:58:17,039 --> 00:58:20,440
They did fight a little bit under
what's now the limit of one hundred and

917
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,079
thirty five. But the history of
these types of things is amazing to me.

918
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:28,119
Forty five rounds fights fight to the
finish, first ever champion who was

919
00:58:28,199 --> 00:58:30,360
not you know who was a black
fighter to win. Both guys are in

920
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:35,559
the Hall of Fame, you know, a long time ago. So I

921
00:58:35,719 --> 00:58:38,239
love reading and looking up with that
stuff. It's great, that's great nostalgia.

922
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,880
And again we've been doing this for
a year and a half. That's

923
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:45,719
the first time that battling Nelson and
Joe Ganz have made nostalgia for good reasons.

924
00:58:46,239 --> 00:58:51,320
And it was a forty what did
you say, forty five the forty

925
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:58,800
fifth round It ends on a DQ
no forty second round DQ. And these

926
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:00,960
were all three minute rounds, peeps, is we're not shorten rounds, you

927
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,760
were three minute rounds is what they
would do. So check this out.

928
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:06,719
Also, by the way, let's
talk about, just for a quick second,

929
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:08,119
the money involved in a fight like
this. Remember this is nineteen oh

930
00:59:08,239 --> 00:59:13,719
six, it's a long long time
ago. Yep, Gogan's got eleven thousand

931
00:59:13,719 --> 00:59:16,320
dollars. Eleven thousand dollars nineteen oh
six. Do the math was an extraordinary

932
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:24,440
amount of money and battlingly probably easily
ten times more these days, easily tenfold

933
00:59:24,519 --> 00:59:30,199
maybe more battling Nelson got thirty four
thousand dollars. Wow, I mean,

934
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:34,760
this was a huge deal, by
the way, And keep and keep in

935
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:40,840
mind again, mainstream society cared about
professional boxing massively in the early nineteen hundreds,

936
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:45,320
the nineteen tens, the nineteen twenties. That's why that money was there

937
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:50,639
for this. And I'm just thinking
because Nevada basically was not established as a

938
00:59:50,719 --> 00:59:53,159
state, etc. So you're talking
about you might have had to have a

939
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:58,599
week to ten days to get to
Nevada by train by stage coach. I'm

940
00:59:58,639 --> 01:00:04,280
not exaggerating. The automobile was basically
not invented in nineteen o six. They

941
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:07,840
were doing the cairplanes. No,
I mean it's crazy. They were doing

942
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:14,519
the contracts for this fight through telegraph. Amazing, and that's some serious nostalgia,

943
01:00:14,679 --> 01:00:19,800
by the way. Daddling Nelson as
the story goes Dad. The injured

944
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,559
his hand in round thirty three,
yet still made it to the forty second

945
01:00:22,639 --> 01:00:25,719
round. That's tremendous. All right, we've come to the end of another

946
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:31,639
podcast. We somehow once again have
made our way through off Labor Day weekend.

947
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:35,440
Here with the one main fight card. I would love to tell you

948
01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:38,159
there's a prominent fight card really this
week. For the preview show, there's

949
01:00:38,239 --> 01:00:40,639
not so much. So we may
we'll get a little creative, We'll have

950
01:00:40,719 --> 01:00:43,719
some fight news, may have a
guest later in a week on the big

951
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,599
fight weekend preview. We'll do our
best with that podcast. In the meantime,

952
01:00:46,639 --> 01:00:51,639
everybody be safe as part of the
Labor Day holiday this weekend. And

953
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:57,840
Dan Raphael thank you as always for
everything from fight recaps to sorting out the

954
01:00:58,039 --> 01:01:02,000
WBA to nostalgia from nineteen oh six. You got it all here as part

955
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:06,079
of this podcast. We try,
we do, We drink a little bit,

956
01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:07,639
a little bit, a little bit
for everybody. Have a great week.

957
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:12,360
Dan ray Field, thank you as
always to myself. All right,

958
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,320
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959
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,639
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960
01:01:17,679 --> 01:01:22,360
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961
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:24,519
with the Fight Freach You Night recap. We go into the weekend with the

962
01:01:24,559 --> 01:01:29,079
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963
01:01:29,159 --> 01:01:32,159
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