WEBVTT 1 00:00:30.640 --> 00:00:38.479 Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. Oh hello, 2 00:00:39.079 --> 00:00:46.600 how are you. I hope you're doing well today. I've mentioned in the 3 00:00:46.640 --> 00:00:51.640 past my great love of the podcast Destiny, the one we do every Wednesday, 4 00:00:52.200 --> 00:00:56.560 and this is the one that we are doing for this week, and 5 00:00:56.679 --> 00:01:03.320 the reason being that there are subtleties, there is ancient wisdom, there are 6 00:01:03.439 --> 00:01:10.239 techniques, and it all comes around back to you, the listener, as 7 00:01:10.319 --> 00:01:15.760 tools in your arsenal to be the best that you can be body, mind 8 00:01:15.879 --> 00:01:22.879 and spirit. And when I say that, I am trying to instill in 9 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:29.319 you to reach beyond your daily mindset, and that is watching TV, looking 10 00:01:29.359 --> 00:01:37.079 at your phones, looking at the Internet, and kind of broaden and take 11 00:01:37.159 --> 00:01:44.000 a step backwards and into the ancient past. And we do this quite often 12 00:01:44.040 --> 00:01:53.079 with presentations on yoga, meditation, alternative levels of consciousness. And today we 13 00:01:53.159 --> 00:01:57.519 have a similar program and that is astrology. Now, I've been a fan 14 00:01:57.560 --> 00:02:00.319 of astrology from a very very young age. I've just been attracted to it, 15 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:05.760 and as a young person I went to astrologers and had readings done. 16 00:02:06.760 --> 00:02:13.520 I think when I was about twenty five, I went to a sedarial or 17 00:02:13.560 --> 00:02:17.919 a Hindu astrologer and had a Hindu reading done, which was quite different than 18 00:02:19.400 --> 00:02:28.879 the typical kind of astrological chart that you would get from a basic astrologer or 19 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:34.520 one that doesn't follow the constellations. And it was impressed on me as a 20 00:02:34.599 --> 00:02:43.319 young person when I was being tutored by a Mayan elder. And now that 21 00:02:43.439 --> 00:02:50.400 the Chinese, the Sumerians, the Egyptians, the ancient Egyptians, and the 22 00:02:50.520 --> 00:02:59.280 Maya venerated the system known as astrology. I've talked a great deal. We've 23 00:02:59.280 --> 00:03:05.520 had people on the program speaking on Egyptian astrology, but not very many people 24 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:09.639 have spoken on Mayan astrology. And I got to tell you, I was 25 00:03:09.719 --> 00:03:16.479 told by a number of elders that it was so critical in the Mayan society 26 00:03:16.520 --> 00:03:25.400 that they actually would conceive, attempt to conceive children on specific time periods so 27 00:03:25.439 --> 00:03:32.400 that the child would have attributes of higher learning, perhaps advanced consciousness. And 28 00:03:32.479 --> 00:03:40.960 there's something in that understanding where the soul enters the physical body that if it's 29 00:03:40.960 --> 00:03:46.639 attuned to the right frequency of the planets, to Earth's gravitational field, to 30 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:59.080 other unknown elements, that these ouldren would evolve and advance their society. I 31 00:03:59.120 --> 00:04:02.199 don't think we have anything like that now, and especially in the United States 32 00:04:02.240 --> 00:04:09.800 and Western culture, it's like it's a hidden miss kind of a situation that 33 00:04:09.879 --> 00:04:15.960 doesn't sound very good. But of course we are missing a great deal of 34 00:04:16.360 --> 00:04:24.920 information from the past. Remember, we are another epic. There was a 35 00:04:24.920 --> 00:04:31.399 previous epic, and there's actually apparently up to five earlier epics where Earthlings developed 36 00:04:31.720 --> 00:04:39.800 a society, a science, and a living style, a civilization that is 37 00:04:39.959 --> 00:04:46.600 unknown to us except for whatever remains from those societies, buildings, pyramids, 38 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:56.519 a few scratches of documents, clay tablets, cuneiform tablets, and so on. 39 00:04:57.319 --> 00:05:02.839 So we basically have had to re boot, and we do know what 40 00:05:03.279 --> 00:05:10.199 from oral traditions that, like I said, the ancient Chinese, the ancient 41 00:05:10.240 --> 00:05:19.360 Egyptians, ancient Maya and Sumerians and others really focused on living by the energies 42 00:05:19.639 --> 00:05:25.800 and the influences are star systems on the planet Earth. Now, if you 43 00:05:25.839 --> 00:05:30.519 don't know anything about astrology, it's not just the Earth that these planets have 44 00:05:30.639 --> 00:05:36.959 influence over. It's your physical, mental, and spiritual body. And if 45 00:05:36.959 --> 00:05:43.959 you haven't heard Susan Miller the interview she did with me late last year, 46 00:05:44.600 --> 00:05:50.240 look for that interview Susan Miller's astrology zone, and she goes over the specifics 47 00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:55.480 of the planets. We're not going to do that in this program. We're 48 00:05:55.519 --> 00:06:02.639 going to go over a specific kind of astrology, and that is Maya astrology. 49 00:06:02.759 --> 00:06:10.360 And so today's program is with an expert on Mayan astrology and specifically the 50 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:17.720 Zulcan calendar and how to work with and enhance your life path. Now, 51 00:06:18.360 --> 00:06:23.639 a lot of people go through the stages of living and think that they have 52 00:06:23.720 --> 00:06:30.079 no way to influence the outcome of various periods in their life and ultimately the 53 00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:39.360 success or failures that they interact with or succumbed to. And this is not 54 00:06:39.399 --> 00:06:44.680 true. We have a great deal of influence in our lives. And even 55 00:06:44.680 --> 00:06:47.600 if you've started off and you had a tough childhood, or you were in 56 00:06:47.639 --> 00:06:54.000 a situation where there was great poverty, psychological trauma, so forth, and 57 00:06:54.040 --> 00:06:59.279 so on, you can pick yourself up and move beyond that by following your 58 00:06:59.360 --> 00:07:05.279 ast astrological chart, by understanding what these planets are doing to you physically, 59 00:07:05.319 --> 00:07:12.439 mentally, and spiritually, and how to move through your life to be the 60 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:17.480 best and the most successful that you possibly can. Now I'm one of these 61 00:07:17.560 --> 00:07:23.600 people that's been looking to enhance his life since I was a very young person. 62 00:07:24.279 --> 00:07:27.720 And it comes and goes, It comes and goes in waves. And 63 00:07:28.120 --> 00:07:33.560 I'm a virgo, so my ruling planet is mercury. So when Mercury is 64 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:42.160 retrograde, meaning it reverses, I had to be careful about signing documents, 65 00:07:42.759 --> 00:07:47.160 starting new projects, getting involved in meetings with new people that I don't know, 66 00:07:47.319 --> 00:07:51.399 so forth, and so on. You can read about mercury retrograde affects 67 00:07:51.399 --> 00:07:59.120 everyone differently. For years, I didn't pay attention to this phenomenon of retrograde, 68 00:07:59.319 --> 00:08:05.800 retro grade planets, and my god, it causes havoc. It really 69 00:08:05.839 --> 00:08:09.720 does. So again, it's in one of those things that not everyone cares 70 00:08:09.759 --> 00:08:15.920 about. Some people in the religious order feel it's the work of the devil, 71 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:18.439 so forth, and so on. If you're dealing with that kind of 72 00:08:18.720 --> 00:08:22.439 fundamentalism, you're probably not going to enjoy this program. It might scare you 73 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:28.800 a little bit. But Maya based their based their life, their planning, 74 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:39.679 seasons, warfare, childbirth, important meetings and assemblies. Literally every aspect of 75 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:48.720 their life was focused towards astrological dates, events and activities, and astrologers or 76 00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:56.000 scientists astrologers were also astronomers, and the few books that we have left from 77 00:08:56.000 --> 00:09:03.679 the Maya have very accurate detail of the planet Venus, the moon, Mars. 78 00:09:03.639 --> 00:09:07.080 I think that's there's a couple of the Sun as well, and we 79 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:15.240 only have four books out of many thousands. They're called cotises because they're transcribed 80 00:09:15.279 --> 00:09:18.600 from technical documents. We do know this now and what we have are the 81 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:26.919 remains these transcribed documents that are called cotises, which are writing on bark tree 82 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:33.039 bark, very rare, rudimentary, much much more known about the Maya and 83 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:39.879 details about them. So today's program is how to practice Mayan Astrology. There's 84 00:09:39.960 --> 00:10:16.519 Zulcan Calendar and your Life Path and my guest is Bruce Schofield. I have 85 00:10:16.519 --> 00:10:22.320 a great fascination with the Mayan culture. We know so little about them, 86 00:10:22.360 --> 00:10:26.679 and one of the things that I've been fascinated in is there not only astronomy, 87 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:33.759 but some of the astrological programs that we have discovered from them. My 88 00:10:33.879 --> 00:10:37.639 returning guest today is Bruce Scholfield. Bruce we had earlier in the year to 89 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:41.159 talk about another book. But if you don't know who Bruce is, he's 90 00:10:41.200 --> 00:10:48.360 the author of seven books on astrology, including Day Signs, Native American Astrology 91 00:10:48.440 --> 00:10:54.799 from Ancient Mexico and Signs of the Time, and Introduction to Mesoamerican Astrology. 92 00:10:56.960 --> 00:11:03.320 He's been practicing astrology since ninety sixty nine, which is a long time. 93 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:07.080 Well I'm retired now, Well he's retired. But this is I wanted to 94 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:15.240 have Bruce back because he took the fundamentals of what we know about the Maya 95 00:11:15.320 --> 00:11:20.960 and spun it into an interesting book that I wanted details on because the Maya 96 00:11:22.039 --> 00:11:26.720 are unique people. They're brilliant in many ways, and their understanding of planetary 97 00:11:26.799 --> 00:11:33.240 influences is much different than the Western astrology we're so used to caring about. 98 00:11:33.399 --> 00:11:35.519 So hey, Bruce, welcome back to Destiny. Great to have you on 99 00:11:35.519 --> 00:11:41.320 the program. Thanks for having me. All right, hey, why Maya 100 00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:46.600 astrology? What was the draw to to actually meso American astrology. Let's look 101 00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:52.639 at the whole picture. What was the draw to learn more about this? 102 00:11:54.320 --> 00:11:58.919 Yeah, well, what I'm doing. Under my undergraduate work at Rutgers, 103 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:05.000 I took a course called the Nature of Non Western Civilizations I guess it was 104 00:12:05.440 --> 00:12:09.639 in the early seventies or so, and one of the books we had to 105 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:18.080 read was The Daily Life of the Aztecs by Jacques Soustell, and it's people. 106 00:12:18.200 --> 00:12:22.000 I found that people that grew up in Mexico wind up reading that at 107 00:12:22.039 --> 00:12:26.639 some point in their history classes because it's so good. But I'm reading this 108 00:12:26.679 --> 00:12:31.759 book in this course, and there's this whole chapter on as tech astrology. 109 00:12:31.799 --> 00:12:35.240 I said, what I you know, I just had never run across it, 110 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:39.240 and that sort of you know, got me interested in it. And 111 00:12:39.279 --> 00:12:43.279 I dug in further and further. And there were a few, very few 112 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:50.279 things written about it at that time. But I got into archaeo astronomy. 113 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:56.960 I went to Mexico, I met people there, and I began to realize 114 00:12:58.039 --> 00:13:05.240 that there was a a Mesoamerican and that would include Mexico and Central America tradition 115 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:13.240 of astrology that was very different than the Western astrology and Western astrology. The 116 00:13:13.279 --> 00:13:18.759 planetary positions are measured in terms of space distance from each other, where they 117 00:13:18.799 --> 00:13:24.080 are in the zodiac, you know whether they're rising or setting, how many 118 00:13:24.159 --> 00:13:30.240 degrees apart are planets. It's all very spatial. And what done I mean 119 00:13:30.399 --> 00:13:33.440 was that Mesoamerican astrology wasn't that at all. It was all based on time 120 00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:41.440 distances, you know, intervals of time. And what they did was measured 121 00:13:41.480 --> 00:13:45.720 the cycles of the planets and then tried to fit them into some kind of 122 00:13:46.919 --> 00:13:50.559 uh, you know, matrix, some kind of you know, a template 123 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:54.360 that would contain them all in various ways. And this involved a lot of 124 00:13:54.480 --> 00:14:00.440 number work, and people have written extensively on Maya numbers. The texts had 125 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:03.000 numbers too. It wasn't quite as sophisticated as the Maya, but they they 126 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:07.440 all had counting systems. And so I wrote the one book. It's called 127 00:14:07.519 --> 00:14:11.960 signs of Time, not signs of the Times. That's what most people they 128 00:14:11.960 --> 00:14:16.120 look at that and they say signs of the times, but it's signs of 129 00:14:16.279 --> 00:14:20.399 time, And so what what the what they did? We're doing m you 130 00:14:20.440 --> 00:14:24.480 know, presumably the Maya were the earliest ones to do it. Maybe Almec. 131 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:28.279 And the difference between the Olmec and the Maya, I'm not sure what 132 00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:33.840 that is. It seems to shift and change, but um certainly for the 133 00:14:33.919 --> 00:14:41.559 last two thousand plus years, the people there were working with a system that 134 00:14:41.639 --> 00:14:46.559 would that was focused on time periods of time, and each one of those 135 00:14:46.600 --> 00:14:50.559 periods of time had a quality to it that was distinctly different from another one, 136 00:14:50.600 --> 00:14:54.039 and there were boundaries and so you know, while in the West we 137 00:14:54.080 --> 00:15:00.200 have a zodiac during the course of the year and the sun passes through well 138 00:15:00.360 --> 00:15:05.879 signs of thirty degrees. I'm not talking about constellations. I'm talking about signs, 139 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:11.519 right. The Messo Americans had a twenty day sequence and each day had 140 00:15:11.559 --> 00:15:16.399 its own sign and its own quality, and then that repeated. But there 141 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:22.679 was levels and levels, multiple levels. You had thirteen day segments. He 142 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:26.919 had twenty twenty day segments with the primary ones, you know, but you 143 00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:30.440 go all the way up to you know, the whole the big May long 144 00:15:30.559 --> 00:15:35.279 count calendar of five thousand years. I've had some plus years. So that 145 00:15:35.279 --> 00:15:41.279 that got me going. And my question, my research question, is if 146 00:15:41.320 --> 00:15:46.120 astrology as we know it, Western astrology works as well as it does, 147 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:50.440 which I will say it does because I spent my whole life studying it, 148 00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:54.039 and I operate like a scientist, and I'm not fooling myself. I mean, 149 00:15:54.039 --> 00:15:58.440 it's it's a real thing. What's what's going on? What happened in 150 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:04.799 Messo? It was It's an astrological tradition that originated in a very different place, 151 00:16:04.919 --> 00:16:10.080 far away from the West and developed along its own path, and it 152 00:16:10.200 --> 00:16:15.519 uses the planets, but it breaks it down a little differently, and I 153 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:18.799 needed to know more about it, and I dug into it and eventually eventually 154 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:22.440 put out a few books, one of which is I think that when you're 155 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:26.879 looking at how to practice I want to mention that how to Practice may the 156 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:30.480 book we're talking about today, how to Practice Mayan Astrology, the Zulkan Calendar 157 00:16:30.600 --> 00:16:37.279 and Your Life Path, And I will mention that it came out published in 158 00:16:38.039 --> 00:16:44.159 twenty seven, Yeah, two thousand and seven. I don't know if it's 159 00:16:44.200 --> 00:16:51.360 been updated since then. Um, but you know you're you're you're obviously interested 160 00:16:51.480 --> 00:16:59.879 in meso American astrology. H We're so in the dark with the Maya in 161 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:07.319 terms of quite really why they were interested in astronomy, why they developed an 162 00:17:07.480 --> 00:17:11.880 astrological program. But it looks to me, and I'm interested in your point 163 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:15.279 of view on this, Bruce, it looks to me that they were a 164 00:17:15.480 --> 00:17:32.200 very very social people and developed this astrology to know more individually about character development 165 00:17:32.200 --> 00:17:33.599 and so forth and so on. This is what astrology is all about, 166 00:17:33.720 --> 00:17:38.319 is character? Right? And no, No, astrology is much bigger than 167 00:17:38.359 --> 00:17:41.799 that talk. A little bit about it. Yeah, Well, like in 168 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:48.160 the book that my most recent book, I argue that astrology is a subject 169 00:17:48.200 --> 00:17:55.519 that maps out and plots the trajectories of self organizing systems, which include personality, 170 00:17:55.200 --> 00:17:57.480 okay, include the body. But if you go back into the origins 171 00:17:57.519 --> 00:18:04.559 of astrology in Mesopotamia or Mesoamerica, or even China and India, they're not 172 00:18:04.599 --> 00:18:08.200 just looking at people. They're looking at whether you know, they're looking at 173 00:18:08.200 --> 00:18:12.400 the ecology of the region, They're looking they're looking at the economy, the 174 00:18:12.920 --> 00:18:18.119 prices. You go back, you know, almost four thousand years in Mesopotamia, 175 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:22.400 at least three thousand years, and they're looking at the planets and correlating 176 00:18:22.519 --> 00:18:29.559 with the value of their currency. So they're really using it for overall society 177 00:18:30.160 --> 00:18:37.480 trends and would you say, predictability with it getting absolutely, they're very interested 178 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:41.799 that. You know, the astrology works by observing correlations and based on those 179 00:18:41.839 --> 00:18:45.839 correlations you make predictions. Sounds just like science, doesn't it it is. 180 00:18:45.799 --> 00:18:52.880 The problem is is that it's it's very hard to reduce astrological factors into units 181 00:18:52.920 --> 00:19:00.440 and numbers and you know, allow reductionism, you know, to control it. 182 00:19:00.440 --> 00:19:04.680 It resists reductionism in someone. But but all systems do, like consciousness 183 00:19:04.759 --> 00:19:11.960 resists reduction, right, And astrology is basically measuring something like the stock market. 184 00:19:12.039 --> 00:19:18.079 What's the stock market? It's the sum of all the communications that today 185 00:19:18.079 --> 00:19:22.000 are taking place electronically, you know, a few decades back was on the 186 00:19:22.039 --> 00:19:26.200 telephone, and before that was on paper. But it's it's the sum of 187 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:30.240 all these connections that are happening. And out of all this chaos emerges some 188 00:19:30.319 --> 00:19:37.240 kind of structure. And it turns out that that structure correlates with planetary positions 189 00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:44.079 and the same thing in an individual. The personality comes out of behavior patterns 190 00:19:44.079 --> 00:19:48.319 and reactions and experiences in life. And you know, somehow, out of 191 00:19:48.359 --> 00:19:56.960 all that neurological activity, mental activity, a personality evol you know, emerges 192 00:19:59.319 --> 00:20:03.640 emerging properties or what I'm talking about. So when you talk about astrology, 193 00:20:03.640 --> 00:20:07.200 you just cannot limit it to the person. Yeah, but think what you 194 00:20:07.240 --> 00:20:11.480 were getting at was important though, because while the Mesoamericans certainly and the Maya 195 00:20:11.880 --> 00:20:15.799 paid a lot of tension to weather, agriculture was very important to them, 196 00:20:15.920 --> 00:20:21.559 they did have a component that had to do with individual personality. And that's 197 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:26.559 the day signs that I was talking about before. Okay, So I want 198 00:20:26.559 --> 00:20:33.359 you to tell us how much was already available to you of the astrology of 199 00:20:33.400 --> 00:20:37.640 the Maya astrology and how much you have interpreted on your own. So, 200 00:20:37.680 --> 00:20:45.799 in other words, I don't know of a codus or a paper that's been 201 00:20:45.839 --> 00:20:55.599 found that says this is Maya astrology or Mesoamerican astrology and this is how we 202 00:20:55.759 --> 00:21:00.240 used it. Yeah, okay, Well there's a couple of things here. 203 00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:04.720 When I was beginning to put this together or trying to learn about it, 204 00:21:04.759 --> 00:21:10.000 actually I very few people had anything to say about what the science meant. 205 00:21:10.079 --> 00:21:15.559 But I did find realize quite early that there was an account it's called the 206 00:21:15.640 --> 00:21:25.839 Codex Florentine that was written at the time of the Aztec conquest, and there 207 00:21:25.839 --> 00:21:32.160 are the testimonies of some Aztec peoples were taken almost like an anthropologist. The 208 00:21:32.200 --> 00:21:36.480 Friars were acting as anthropologists, and they were, you know, trying to 209 00:21:36.759 --> 00:21:41.440 understand the pagan traditions so they would know more about how to wipe it out. 210 00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:45.480 Basically, that was that their thought process, their goal. But there 211 00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:49.079 was just there were descriptions of the signs, and that got me going because 212 00:21:49.119 --> 00:21:56.160 these descriptions are terrible there there. You know, it's like somebody who has 213 00:21:56.200 --> 00:22:00.480 no idea what's going on is telling somebody who has no idea what's going on 214 00:22:00.759 --> 00:22:04.839 what the signs meant. And so I became determined to see if I could 215 00:22:06.440 --> 00:22:07.880 fine tune this some way it makes some sense out of it. But the 216 00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:11.039 answer your first question is, yeah, there's some stuff written down in the 217 00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:21.640 Aztec tradition Maya not so much more more about the cartoons and the longer cycles 218 00:22:21.680 --> 00:22:27.759 you see, and a few Maya things like Diego della Landau and uh. 219 00:22:27.839 --> 00:22:32.759 Well, anyway, So what I did was I began I m I had 220 00:22:32.799 --> 00:22:38.039 to first solve the problem of the calendar correlation. And there's a lot of 221 00:22:38.440 --> 00:22:41.559 at the time in the I was doing this in the eighties. At the 222 00:22:41.599 --> 00:22:48.440 time there was a lot of debate about exactly how the Western Gregorian calendar meshes 223 00:22:48.440 --> 00:22:52.640 with what we know about in ancient Mexico. And so I had it refined, 224 00:22:53.039 --> 00:22:56.920 you know, reduced to about a day a five day period. And 225 00:22:56.960 --> 00:23:03.880 then what I did was I took charts of people, some of which were 226 00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:07.400 celebrities and some of them which were my clients. Probably a total of about 227 00:23:07.440 --> 00:23:15.720 four hundred and I set them aside, and I organized them and I made 228 00:23:17.000 --> 00:23:19.519 you know, I made notes and I said, Okay, this person Einstein 229 00:23:19.599 --> 00:23:22.240 was born on this day, and it's got to be one of these five 230 00:23:22.400 --> 00:23:27.279 days day signs based on this calendar correlation. And I would jot that down 231 00:23:27.279 --> 00:23:32.119 on the corner, and I started moving it around and adjusting it, and 232 00:23:32.200 --> 00:23:37.839 I came up with one date that fixed, one calendar correlation date that that 233 00:23:37.119 --> 00:23:42.440 worked, and it seemed to describe everybody fairly well. And it turns out 234 00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:48.079 to be the Goodman Martinez Thompson correlation, which is now almost universally accepted. 235 00:23:49.240 --> 00:23:55.920 So I, in other words, I rectified the calendar correlation using astrology, 236 00:23:56.240 --> 00:23:59.160 which sounds really weird, but that's what I did. You know. My 237 00:23:59.599 --> 00:24:03.799 thought real quickly, Bruce's that did you develop a software application for this so 238 00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:07.079 that you didn't have to crunch numbers every time you were doing that? Yeah? 239 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:11.440 After the case, okay, so how much later would you did you 240 00:24:11.519 --> 00:24:17.400 develop an application? Well? I didn't develop it so much. My friend 241 00:24:17.440 --> 00:24:22.160 Barry or wrote a very simple program it was probably on Basic at the time, 242 00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:26.559 so that I could crank out more dates. And later Astrolat published a 243 00:24:27.599 --> 00:24:33.240 complete software package called Maya Life Path Astrology. Oh my god, so somebody 244 00:24:33.279 --> 00:24:37.279 actually did create it's still selling. Yeah, it still sells. It's been 245 00:24:37.319 --> 00:24:41.640 out for a while, and it uses my delineations. You see what happened 246 00:24:41.759 --> 00:24:47.240 is ad after I went through this exercise, I wrote these delineations. I 247 00:24:47.279 --> 00:24:51.680 remember the period. It was like March and April of nineteen eighty nine, 248 00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:56.480 and I had just moved and it was raining every day for about a month 249 00:24:56.839 --> 00:24:59.720 in this new place that I was living, and I didn't have any contacts, 250 00:25:00.319 --> 00:25:04.319 and I just threw myself into this and wrote all these delineations based on 251 00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:10.599 these correlations, and you know, like it was ninety percent done at that 252 00:25:10.640 --> 00:25:12.480 point. It was almost as if it was just coming through me, like 253 00:25:12.519 --> 00:25:18.160 I was channeling this stuff. But um, so I got the delineations and 254 00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:23.680 that's what I've worked with, and they're they're published basically the original ones in 255 00:25:23.720 --> 00:25:29.279 the book Day Signs, and then there's in how to How to Practice My 256 00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:33.759 Astrology has them as well, but not so quite so detailed. Okay, 257 00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:41.880 so you've got you've created the fundamentals. You extrapolated from the data that was 258 00:25:41.920 --> 00:25:49.559 available on meso American cultures. Yeah, and um, tell me how you 259 00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:56.400 incorporate the Zulkan calendar, which is two hundred and sixty days. Is that 260 00:25:56.480 --> 00:26:03.000 a sub set that you incorporate into a software that gives us even a greater 261 00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:08.880 detail perspective of Okay, so'll talk about that. Well, the way it 262 00:26:08.920 --> 00:26:14.319 works is you have the twenty day signs. Twenty day signs, yeah, 263 00:26:14.359 --> 00:26:18.640 and then there are thirteen primary numbers. So if you start with the first 264 00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:23.279 day sign and you start with number one, and you move along second day 265 00:26:23.319 --> 00:26:27.480 sign number two, you get the thirteen. But because there's twenty day signs, 266 00:26:29.519 --> 00:26:33.759 the fourteenth day sign becomes number one. Yeah. And so this it's 267 00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:37.319 like two gears, one gear with thirteen teeth and one with twenty And that's 268 00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:41.319 how they interpret it when you see it graphically. Yeah, by the time 269 00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:44.599 it's done, it's two hundred and sixty days. Right now. It turns 270 00:26:44.599 --> 00:26:48.119 out that two hundred and sixty days is kind of a magic number astrologically or 271 00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:56.720 astronomically as well, because it contains you know, real astronomical data like, 272 00:26:56.759 --> 00:27:03.480 for example, the sonotics cycle of Mars is double it this sonotics cycle of 273 00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:07.720 mercury fits into it. Venus, It's like the Venus appears this morning star 274 00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:12.680 or evening star for about two hundred and sixty days, and there are other 275 00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:18.559 correlations as well. And when you you know, you know, multiples of 276 00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:23.640 two sixty fit into planetary cycles. So it's kind of a master calculator in 277 00:27:23.680 --> 00:27:26.319 a way. Let me stop you real quickly, Bruce, And because I 278 00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:30.720 want to get this point across and I want your interpretation here. When do 279 00:27:30.759 --> 00:27:37.759 we look at the Zulcan calendar, It's like it was made thousands and thousands 280 00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:42.839 and thousands of years ago, prior to the three sixty five day calendar, 281 00:27:42.880 --> 00:27:48.960 which is what we use universally right now. And it seems to be something 282 00:27:49.039 --> 00:27:57.000 that was used to observe other planets with a great deal of accuracy. But 283 00:27:57.279 --> 00:28:06.200 what is your personal feeling on why this calendar was developed, h and its 284 00:28:06.279 --> 00:28:11.240 uniqueness? Um? Well, if yes, the people themselves will say it 285 00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:19.440 two hundred and sixty days measures measures human gestation period. You mean from inception 286 00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:25.319 birth. Yea, yeah, that's what they'll tell you. Um. There's 287 00:28:25.359 --> 00:28:30.160 been other speculation on it. One is that at the latitude of Copon, 288 00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:36.480 the Sun spend spends two hundred and sixty days of the year south of the 289 00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:41.839 zenith, you know, and and the rest one hundred and five days north 290 00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:44.079 of Zenus. So there's like, you know, right in the middle of 291 00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:48.039 the Maya Lands, there's this kind of distinction between the sun and one part 292 00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:52.240 of the sky and the others. Really interesting. You know. I think 293 00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:56.839 it probably started with Venus. This is my guess, is that Venus is 294 00:28:56.880 --> 00:29:00.599 so obvious. It's such a after the Sun and moon, you can't miss 295 00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:04.839 it. And it spends time as a morning star and then it disappears, 296 00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:08.400 and then it spends time as an evening star, then it disappears. The 297 00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:14.720 disappearances are different, but it's roughly two hundred and sixty days for the morning 298 00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:19.640 and evening star appearance, and so they might may have started counting with that, 299 00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:23.640 and then they found out that that correlated. If you've multiplied that a 300 00:29:23.680 --> 00:29:29.160 few times twice, it would correlate with this snotic cycle of Mars, and 301 00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:37.319 Mars fit in and it became like a universal universal measuring stick in a way. 302 00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:47.279 The astronomers were using it for calculation purposes, but there really wasn't much 303 00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:51.960 of a distinction between the astronomers and the astrologers, which was the case in 304 00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:56.079 the West as well, so they were both working at the same time. 305 00:29:56.119 --> 00:30:03.039 There was this interest in calculating planetary positions and using like a module, like 306 00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:07.440 a modulus is what it's called in math. I guess you know, in 307 00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:11.119 this case to sixty, but a modulus and working with degrees in time would 308 00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:15.759 be sixty sixty minutes, sixty six seconds and so on. Right, So, 309 00:30:17.079 --> 00:30:21.559 so it makes sense if you're a mathematician to work with something like this. 310 00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:26.200 But meanwhile they were also noticing what was going on around and they're watching 311 00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:34.440 the agriculture, the climate, the social activities, the warfare, and it 312 00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:38.599 was it was baked into their civilization. You read, um Jay, Eric 313 00:30:38.799 --> 00:30:44.599 S. Thompson, the great Mayanist you know, writes this book Maya Hieroglyphics, 314 00:30:44.599 --> 00:30:48.119 and somewhere in there he says, you know that I hate to admit 315 00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:53.599 this, but it looks like Maya astronomy served to support Maya astrology. You 316 00:30:53.680 --> 00:30:57.440 know, that is really what they were interested in. Yeah, so they 317 00:30:57.480 --> 00:31:02.079 went through all this trouble to do the athematics in order to be able to 318 00:31:02.119 --> 00:31:07.039 make these predictions, and they got to the point where they were scheduling events 319 00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:14.160 within warfare but as an astrologer. Doesn't that tell you something about the society 320 00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:18.400 that developed it that this is not just a game like it is today, 321 00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:22.000 like a Western Not you personally, but most people look at astrology and go, 322 00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:26.519 okay, am I gonna be a gonna be a good day or a 323 00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:30.799 bad day, and that's all I care about. Whereas this is a whole 324 00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:38.559 society that is developing a highly highly mathematical program or more than just individual prediction. 325 00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:42.119 As you said earlier in the program, this is a real tool for 326 00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:47.319 them. Oh yeah, yeah, it was. It was an integral part 327 00:31:47.319 --> 00:31:52.000 of the society. That was also pretty much the case with Mesopotamia. But 328 00:31:52.119 --> 00:31:57.240 by the time astrology got to the Greeks, the Greeks shifted it around a 329 00:31:57.240 --> 00:32:05.839 little bit and it took different kinds of forms. I kind of see Mayo 330 00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:14.200 or Mesoamerican astrology as basically at a point that would correlate with Mesopotamian astrology maybe 331 00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:21.799 three thousand years ago. And interestingly, I teach a course on online course 332 00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:24.920 on astronomy, and I have an archaeo astronomy section. I also teach an 333 00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:31.680 online course on Mesoamerican astrology Kepler College, right, but one of my assignments 334 00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:37.200 is for the students to write, you know, to respond to some questions 335 00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:45.680 that ask what are the similarities and what are the differences between astrologies that developed 336 00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:51.480 in Mesopotamia versus Mesoamerica. And one of the first things that comes out of 337 00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:55.079 that question when they do their homework is that Venus. They both were very 338 00:32:55.119 --> 00:32:59.279 early on mapping at Venus, and they were mapping it at in a very 339 00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:05.720 similar way. That's very strange. Yeah, and having delineations for them different 340 00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:09.680 delineations from morning star and evening Star. We're going to go through some of 341 00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:19.200 the practices and do some case studies shortly, but um, how how do 342 00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:27.000 we view Mayan or Mesoamerica astrology compared to Western and Hindu astrology? And my 343 00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:32.960 question specifically for you is the Maya don't seem to cover a lot of the 344 00:33:34.839 --> 00:33:45.920 planets that were discovered later through astronomy with with using technology like goodstrumentation, Yeah, 345 00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:50.000 instrumentation exactly. So I mean, if we have a limited number of 346 00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:55.440 planets in Maya astrology, how does that affect its ability to be accurate? 347 00:33:57.319 --> 00:34:00.440 Well, I don't think depends on the culture. I mean, one of 348 00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:07.440 the great astrologers of the modern era was a guy named Dane Roodyard who was 349 00:34:07.679 --> 00:34:14.760 just brilliant, a top intellectual in many respects, and he pointed out that 350 00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:22.119 when you have a relatively simple society that's located in one small region, you're 351 00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:27.000 not having a lot of outside information having hitting you, and so the visible 352 00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:30.239 planets out to Saturn are probably all you need to work with. And of 353 00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:36.480 course that's all they work with in Hindu astrology, and that's all that was 354 00:34:36.519 --> 00:34:43.480 worked with in Hellenistic astrology. It was it's just been since seventeen eighty one 355 00:34:43.519 --> 00:34:46.559 when Ernest was discovered, you know that we've gotten these extra planets, But 356 00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:52.480 look what was happening socially in seventeen eighty one was the year that the Industrial 357 00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:57.119 Revolution took off and suddenly people didn't have to work on farms all the time. 358 00:34:57.679 --> 00:35:00.119 Yeah, fairly recent, fairly recent, and so it's you know, 359 00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:05.119 the developments have been you know, unprecedented in the West few hundred years, 360 00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:10.440 and that's when we discover these new planets. But as an astrologer, give 361 00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:20.159 us your feeling on the Western and Hindu and Mesoamerican. Obviously they're different, 362 00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:25.239 but they may be similar in certain ways. Uh, without the without the 363 00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:30.039 uranus, and some other plants that have been recently. I think Pluto's another 364 00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:35.719 one. Pluto. You're in a sniptune Pluto. Yeah, what what's what's 365 00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:40.679 How far off are they with with the accuracy. Well, you know, 366 00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:45.639 it's just some people would say they're not far off at all with accuracy. 367 00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:50.880 Now in Western astrology, say in this country here, there's been in the 368 00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:57.119 last couple decades a great revive, a great interest in Hellenistic astrology. And 369 00:35:57.719 --> 00:36:00.880 something was known of it earlier. I got very interested in it in the 370 00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:06.639 seventies nineteen seventies, but there wasn't quite as much translated. But in the 371 00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:09.159 eighties and especially in the nineties, a lot more was translated, and so 372 00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:14.000 you get these There are a number of people that just specialize it is and 373 00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:16.199 they do horoscope readings with only that to Saturn. They don't put in the 374 00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:22.280 modern plants interesting, and they use all these techniques, these complicated techniques that 375 00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:28.599 were used in Hellenistic times, some of which were lost until they were translated 376 00:36:28.639 --> 00:36:32.840 again, or at least lost to Western astrologers. You know, it's kind 377 00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:38.079 of a fundamentalist thing in a way. But people like it, and you 378 00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:40.840 know, I've worked with it myself and you can pull out a lot of 379 00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:49.119 information. I tend to be more of a psychological astrologer. I'm interested in 380 00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:57.119 informing choice rather than making prediction informed choices. In other words, you give 381 00:36:57.159 --> 00:37:02.599 them an idea, yeah, and then they make the decision to either take 382 00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:06.960 it or not. Yeah. I give them the framework of time that they're 383 00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:10.840 in and where the current seems to be going, and you know, I 384 00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:15.199 would discuss options and where they might go with it. I don't really like 385 00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:17.639 to. I didn't like to make predictions. I made them, and I 386 00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:22.320 you know, clients will call me up and say, oh, you predicted 387 00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:25.480 this. I don't even remember that I did or not. But that's what 388 00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:29.840 people want. They'll grab that from you. People don't they you know, 389 00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:32.360 they don't want to make choices. It's it's tough making choice. It's interesting, 390 00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:39.840 Bruce. I consider you a maanist and you've written these Mesoamerican books and 391 00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:45.199 h and it's not just a casual one or two. You've really drilled down 392 00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:50.840 and made it almost a life study. What is intriguing to you about the 393 00:37:50.920 --> 00:38:00.360 meso American lifestyle and their astrological format? Yeah, well, you know, 394 00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:07.960 I'm still very interested in the twenty day sign cycle. In Aztec times and 395 00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:15.320 quite possibly among the Maya or the Zappattack or some other regional cultures, people 396 00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:20.719 were named, you know, or at least co named for the sign they 397 00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:22.840 were born under, you know, like so for example, I was born 398 00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:28.360 under the day signed monkey, but I was born also under the thirteen day 399 00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:34.400 period deer, right, And that that's an Aztec and Maya. You know, 400 00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:37.800 there's and and there's this Abotec version as well. There's there's a key 401 00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:40.760 Chap version. But they're all basically the same. It's just like, you 402 00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:45.599 know, you have the the Greek gods and the Roman gods. They're parallels 403 00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:49.360 right there there. You know, you have Zeus and Jupiter. They all 404 00:38:49.400 --> 00:38:52.719 stem it stems from the same root aryan root word anyway, right, so 405 00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:58.559 there's this this overlap between them. But the what what's really intriguing to me 406 00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:04.159 is, Okay, it's an interesting concept. You've got twenty day signs and 407 00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:08.440 they seem to be very different. And I continue my observations, you know, 408 00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:13.440 part time, but I continue to observe how people behave and I see 409 00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:17.440 these patterns. What is going on. Is this some kind of of a 410 00:39:19.039 --> 00:39:23.199 circadian cycle. I mean, the circadian cycle exists in people. Everybody knows 411 00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:30.199 that. But is there some kind of counting mechanism that goes on and some 412 00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:37.880 some kind of twenty day cycle that actually has modifies or you know, turns 413 00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:43.159 some internal dials and you know in the DNA or wherever that actually bring out 414 00:39:43.239 --> 00:39:50.599 different qualities in different people. I once did a study. I took charts 415 00:39:50.599 --> 00:39:54.239 of entrepreneurs. I got a database of like two hundred or three hundred entrepreneurs, 416 00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:59.480 and I ran them against the day signs, and I found out that 417 00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:02.599 only a four they all fell into for the most part, four or five 418 00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:07.719 different day signs which were all there are high powered ones, you know. 419 00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:13.440 So yeah, you know, you'll you'll see that with with you know, 420 00:40:13.480 --> 00:40:15.880 people that are at the front of things. You know, they're born under 421 00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:25.800 these very strong dynamic signs, signs like crocodile or or water or read you 422 00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:35.199 know. I mean the name in names differ in Maya and Aztec, na 423 00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:37.239 Wada language and so on, but they're all the same. And I tend 424 00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:45.079 to use the English translations of them. But these are are very strong leadership 425 00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:47.639 signs. And they showed up in all the entrepreneurs charts. Now I want 426 00:40:47.679 --> 00:40:52.920 to do that study again properly and have a bigger database, but I haven't 427 00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:54.880 gotten to it. So I think something's going on there, but I don't 428 00:40:54.880 --> 00:41:01.559 know what it is. We've gotta take a short commercial break and we will 429 00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:09.920 return with my guests Bruce Scofield on his new book Mayan Astrology. We'll be 430 00:41:10.039 --> 00:41:52.480 right back. My guest today is Bruce Scofield. He is a longtime astrologer, 431 00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:58.280 has studied ancient cultures, most notably the Maya. His book that we 432 00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:02.400 are talking about today is called How to Practice I in Astrology, The Zulcan 433 00:42:02.559 --> 00:42:10.199 Calendar and your Life Path. So there's an insight that they are bringing to 434 00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:16.880 the table that is of interest to you over the other disciplines. Is that 435 00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:21.760 what you're suggesting, Well, yeah, that's that's the fundamental part of their 436 00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:24.360 astrology. But there are other things as well. They're these long calendar counts. 437 00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:31.599 There's the cycle of the cartoons. Cartoons they're roughly twenty year periods and 438 00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:38.360 they tend to mimic the Jupiter Saturn conjunctions, and if you take two hundred 439 00:42:38.360 --> 00:42:44.000 and sixty of them, you get the long count. Wow, that's the 440 00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:49.360 five thousand, one hund twenty five years. And that's what is the basis 441 00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:52.840 of the Myan calendar. When people say, mind calendar two thousand and twelve, 442 00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:55.199 that's what they're getting at. That's what they're referring to. And so 443 00:42:55.440 --> 00:43:01.599 that calendar has two hundred and sixty of these cartoons which are based on the 444 00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:08.039 Jupiter Saturn cycle. So that's another level. That's a macro level of Mesoamerican 445 00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:12.599 astrology. I'm interested in that too. How does that work? We have 446 00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:17.440 a situation where there's a natural rhythm going on in the world and it's not 447 00:43:17.559 --> 00:43:23.519 consistent. It's roughly twenty years. But what the Mesoamericans were doing, probably 448 00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:29.719 the Maya started this, was they were conceptualizing that period in terms of pure 449 00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:35.480 number. It's almost like Plato. It's like there's an archetype, there's a 450 00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:39.400 pure archetype, and they're saying, Okay, nature is giving us the signal, 451 00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:45.039 and we're but the signal really is more pure than it is. Nature 452 00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:47.639 is a little sloppy at the edges, right, but we can see the 453 00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:52.320 pure form. And so we're going to build our calendar on the pure form. 454 00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:55.920 That's that's platinistic. You know, we're a union. You know, 455 00:43:55.960 --> 00:44:01.360 we have these archetypes that are behind you know, what we're experiencing as nature. 456 00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:07.159 So that's another part of their astrology that fascinates me because they interpreted their 457 00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:12.840 history according to that, and they made forecasts pretty interesting. You write in 458 00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:19.159 your book, is the Mayan astrology way better than the Western way? Anyone 459 00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:23.159 paying attention to the world these days may conclude that we are racing at high 460 00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:30.559 speed towards a wall, whether it be twenty twelve or twenty thirty six or 461 00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:35.079 any other date in the next fifty years for that matter, we are going 462 00:44:35.119 --> 00:44:38.800 to pay a price for how we've been choosing to live. What do you 463 00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:44.719 mean by that? Well, you know that you know, human species is, 464 00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:47.480 you know, it's like it's overrun the planet. You know, the 465 00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:52.639 population is, you know, exceeding the carrying capacity of the Earth. If 466 00:44:52.639 --> 00:44:57.159 everybody wants to live a middle class of life. Hey, what did I 467 00:44:57.719 --> 00:45:00.480 hear the other day? The killer whales are getting mad about this, right, 468 00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:07.639 they're sinking boats. Yeah, yeah, I think we've really uh, 469 00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:13.119 we're going off the cliff. You know, it's it's um the obsession with 470 00:45:13.159 --> 00:45:15.760 a little soap political soap opera is such a waste of time when there are 471 00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:22.280 many more important things going on. UM. Climate change just by itself is 472 00:45:23.239 --> 00:45:29.599 a challenge that needs to be met yesterday and um. And you know, 473 00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:31.880 when the twenty and twelve event was coming up and people were asking me what 474 00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:35.079 I thought about it, I said, well, you know, I feel 475 00:45:35.119 --> 00:45:38.880 like, Okay, here's the argument. The astronomical argument is that the winter 476 00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:45.119 solstice point is crossing through the dark band of the Milky Way. You probably 477 00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:47.840 know something about that, right the road to Shivaldo there a little bit. 478 00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:52.280 Milky Way is like a band. It's not a it's not a straight line, 479 00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:55.000 right, yeah, But there is in the middle of the band is 480 00:45:55.039 --> 00:46:00.480 what's called the galactic equator. But with the mile was that there was a 481 00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:06.800 dark band, like a channel in there in the Milky Way, and that 482 00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:13.079 was considered sacred for a number of reasons. And as precession moves, the 483 00:46:13.079 --> 00:46:16.519 winner celsist points slowly through that point. It gets to the middle around two 484 00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:22.400 thousand and twelve, but it's there for thirty or forty years. It's not 485 00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:27.119 a single date. So I'm not saying that this is a causal that it 486 00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:30.000 causes anything. Maybe it does, but you know it doesn't have to. 487 00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:34.719 I'm just observing a correlation, and I'm saying that there. It seems to 488 00:46:34.760 --> 00:46:37.320 be a lot of attention given to two thousand and twelve. The maya Long 489 00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:45.760 Account does end did end that that section of it on December twenty first, 490 00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:49.760 two and twelve. But then the next section began, right. But it 491 00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:52.840 was a boundary line across a crossing point, a turning point. And you 492 00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:57.599 look around you and you say, what is going on? This is you 493 00:46:57.639 --> 00:47:02.679 know, civilization is really, you know, having some difficulties. Some people 494 00:47:02.719 --> 00:47:07.199 are leading and some people are trying to catch up, and it's just chaotic. 495 00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:10.079 And we've screwed up the environment. I mean, climate change is one 496 00:47:10.119 --> 00:47:15.880 thing, but you know, the pollution and the extinction going on. Yeah, 497 00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:20.440 I think we're we're you know, we've hit a wall already and people 498 00:47:20.440 --> 00:47:22.920 don't want to believe it. Humans are in denial. You know, we're 499 00:47:22.960 --> 00:47:29.559 a special creation. We've been told for two thousand years by Western or more 500 00:47:29.559 --> 00:47:32.719 by Western religion, that we're a special case. We're not like other animals. 501 00:47:34.159 --> 00:47:37.480 Even today, people have a hard time wrapping their heads around the fact 502 00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:40.079 that we're just a hairless ape and actually we're not that hairless. We have 503 00:47:40.119 --> 00:47:45.360 more single hairs than a chimp does there are they're just real small. Do 504 00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:50.840 you? Would you say that the Hindu Yugas are in play here? And 505 00:47:51.039 --> 00:47:58.639 when I say the Yugas, they developed cycles of time where a civilization starts, 506 00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:04.760 reaches an apex, and either destroys itself or is destroyed, only to 507 00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:07.840 begin again. Yeah, yeah, we're in the Cali Yuga. If you 508 00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:13.079 look at the sriyuk Swar model, yeah, his count starts within a few 509 00:48:13.159 --> 00:48:17.039 years when the Maya long count did. Oh, that's fascinating. Yeah, 510 00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:22.159 it's three thousand BC, three thousand. I forgot what the number is, 511 00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:24.679 but it's just a few years off. It's pretty amazing, pretty amazing. 512 00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:29.639 All right, let's talk a little bit about the premise of the book, 513 00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:32.840 which is working with it. So how do we start, Uh, we 514 00:48:32.880 --> 00:48:36.519 don't have time to get into all the details, but how do we begin 515 00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:44.880 creating a name a Mayan astrological chart? Well? I have two things in 516 00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:49.840 there, to two themes, and one is that I get people to look 517 00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:52.360 up their day sign look at you know, which is I have tables in 518 00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:55.440 the back had a lot of tables. It's half the book. Yeah, 519 00:48:55.519 --> 00:49:00.599 you could. This is my friend Barry or did that. He did programming 520 00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:05.039 too. That so you can look up your day sign and well, let's 521 00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:08.719 let's do one. Um okay, you knew what I was just looking at 522 00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:13.960 Ron de Santis his birthday was. That would be wonderful. Yeah, I'm 523 00:49:13.960 --> 00:49:15.559 trying to think what I had here. I can I can find it on 524 00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:21.599 my uh let's see on my computer. I was just looking at it. 525 00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:29.440 Ron de Santis September fourteenth, nineteen seventy eight. Okay, so let's go 526 00:49:29.519 --> 00:49:37.800 back to that September fourteenth, nineteen seventy eight. So you look in the 527 00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:51.760 book, go to nineteen seventy eight. Okay, September fourteenth. Okay, 528 00:49:51.840 --> 00:50:05.320 so it says here six K Ball and uh one ET's nab that's one Ball's 529 00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:09.559 house. So let's so that tells you that he was born on the day 530 00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:15.239 signed Acball. And then I have delineations for it in here, and then 531 00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:16.880 you can look up the delineations. Let me see you find out you have 532 00:50:16.920 --> 00:50:22.000 a description of who that what that personality type is. Yeah, we're going 533 00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:27.000 to get into it here. Just do that that sounds great, So here 534 00:50:27.039 --> 00:50:35.599 we go. Delineations of the of the signs come first. Now, acball 535 00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:44.159 is it's a sign of the west. So the signs, the twenty day 536 00:50:44.199 --> 00:50:49.159 signs, you're divided into five groups. And well, actually, what if 537 00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:52.280 the number four cycles through? So you have East, Northwest, and south 538 00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:57.480 in that order. And if you look at all the old Mayan, ancient 539 00:50:57.519 --> 00:51:02.840 Mayan cosmograms and Aztec ones as well, they'll they'll be arranged that way, 540 00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:07.639 with the East at the top, the North at the left, and so 541 00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:15.079 on. And West signs are tend to be other oriented. And this sign 542 00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:23.559 itself, the meaning of it is darkness or night, and it's um it's 543 00:51:23.559 --> 00:51:29.400 associated with the I say here the earth gods and the drum and the glyph 544 00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:35.840 may signal signify an animal of the underworld, possibly the jaguire. And one 545 00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:42.159 of the things about I've noticed about this sign is that in people is that 546 00:51:42.199 --> 00:51:50.159 they they're quite powerful and they usually use some kind of system here, Like 547 00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:53.599 what I say is that there these are people that project an imposing or attractive 548 00:51:53.639 --> 00:51:59.000 presence in the world around them. Their personal power may be exerted in subtle 549 00:51:59.039 --> 00:52:04.679 ways. Um, they are logical organized capable of deep foot, but they 550 00:52:04.679 --> 00:52:09.079 tend to be conservative in many matters. Patients and hard work come easy to 551 00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:15.679 them. UM security, both mental and physical. It's a major issue UM 552 00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:21.440 the physical security that a home, house, building, or other structure may 553 00:52:21.440 --> 00:52:24.480 be a focus in life. Now. I know people born into the sign 554 00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:30.760 and they they one you know, one person has been living in his family's 555 00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:37.440 ancestral house for generations and it's it's it's a historic house. I know other 556 00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:40.920 people that buy property and are very very uh you know, concerned with that. 557 00:52:42.320 --> 00:52:45.960 But it says it also could be that other matters concern them, and 558 00:52:46.199 --> 00:52:52.920 this is key. Other systems of knowledge often interest them and ABUL subjects these 559 00:52:55.159 --> 00:53:00.920 aid these aucbal types in organizing their practice what matters. So you can you 560 00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:09.360 can usually find an OCA houses. The translation one translation of that they usually 561 00:53:09.519 --> 00:53:15.280 have like a system that's driving them that they use in their mind. And 562 00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:21.440 that could be something like I mentioned here, like magic or astrology, or 563 00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:24.360 you know, some kind of code. So I would assume that Rond de 564 00:53:24.519 --> 00:53:30.719 Santis is driven by some kind of code that's probably more like fundamentalist Christianity. 565 00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:35.320 That's what I'm thinking, because I don't see him in the esoteric arts whatsoever. 566 00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:37.400 No, but it's the same principle, same but the mind, I 567 00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:42.639 hear what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, So so drilled down a little 568 00:53:42.679 --> 00:53:51.400 more with him and his birthdate. What else does the does the initiative initiative 569 00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:54.639 of your work look for. Well, the next thing you do see, 570 00:53:54.800 --> 00:54:00.519 you know this, the fact that they were born under act Bolsy sgnificant. 571 00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:06.559 But then there's the thirteen day period and he was born under I forgot what 572 00:54:06.679 --> 00:54:15.440 it was. Remember what I said there once in nineties? Okay, so 573 00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:21.239 that was oh knife, that's now yeah, okay, So the thirteen day 574 00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:29.320 period when it's nab or knife, it says beneath the surface personality which we 575 00:54:29.440 --> 00:54:34.880 were just talking about is a person who seeks powerful and transformative experiences, willing 576 00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:38.840 to go the distance to stimulate changes themselves and others tend to be restless, 577 00:54:39.440 --> 00:54:47.639 persistent, devoted to their life callings. At times it will take risks societal 578 00:54:49.079 --> 00:54:53.719 demonstrations of competence that it was. Okay, that's that's a general thing. 579 00:54:54.079 --> 00:54:59.639 So what you get out of this combination, I mean I have extensive delineations 580 00:54:59.679 --> 00:55:06.039 written on bothies in this book and in day Science, in particular. This 581 00:55:06.320 --> 00:55:12.880 is not you know, like a a calm, normal personality. This is 582 00:55:12.920 --> 00:55:20.519 somebody who's really deep, really conservative, really focused on some kind of method 583 00:55:20.559 --> 00:55:25.320 of thinking, some kind of program that interprets the world for him. And 584 00:55:27.159 --> 00:55:30.719 and he's willing to go this one knife, willing to go the distance. 585 00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:35.159 You know, knife was used for sacrifices, and there's a there's an element 586 00:55:35.199 --> 00:55:37.920 of that to it as well. When you get this one, you know, 587 00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:40.840 knife factor and somebody's starting, they'll put themselves out on the line. 588 00:55:42.599 --> 00:55:45.480 I mean, you know, I don't know that he's going to sacrifice himself 589 00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:50.000 in the old Aztec traditional way, but he may sacrifice a lot of his 590 00:55:50.119 --> 00:55:52.199 life in order to reach his goal. This is weird, though, Bruce, 591 00:55:52.320 --> 00:55:59.440 because he just entered the presidential race yesterday. Yeah, and a lot 592 00:55:59.480 --> 00:56:06.079 of people feel that he's martyring himself with this fight against not only Disney, 593 00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:10.199 but there's a tremendous amount of new evidence that has come up that he's not. 594 00:56:10.679 --> 00:56:19.760 He's fighting with a lot of big corporations that are in Florida and and 595 00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:22.599 it's not going to play out. Well, So what what what's the predictive 596 00:56:22.719 --> 00:56:29.000 model for this personality type? Well, you know, I mean, how 597 00:56:29.079 --> 00:56:32.199 will he go to distance? I took a look, you know, that's 598 00:56:32.239 --> 00:56:37.199 why I popped into my head. I took a look at the chart for 599 00:56:37.320 --> 00:56:42.800 the yesterday for roughly the time that he announced, and exactly it did not 600 00:56:42.920 --> 00:56:46.039 look too good. I just put it aside. It was just one of 601 00:56:46.079 --> 00:56:49.519 the things I was doing this morning as I was going through my email. 602 00:56:49.679 --> 00:56:52.639 I put it aside, saved the file. But off top of my head, 603 00:56:52.679 --> 00:56:57.239 it looked a little chaotic, and I understand that the presentation of it. 604 00:56:57.360 --> 00:57:01.199 The actual uh you know, he had a meeting with Elon Musk or 605 00:57:01.280 --> 00:57:05.519 something and it was at six pm and that's when it was supposed to happen. 606 00:57:05.559 --> 00:57:08.599 But there were some technical failures. Well there's a soft launch on Twitter 607 00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:16.800 that was an utter failure. The system didn't present his material correctly and it 608 00:57:17.039 --> 00:57:22.760 was delayed, and it was it was really a poor presentation for him, 609 00:57:24.039 --> 00:57:30.559 and many people felt that that was not a good sign for a individual who 610 00:57:30.679 --> 00:57:37.920 was running for the president of the United States. Yeah, there's a couple 611 00:57:37.960 --> 00:57:45.679 of There was what was called a simultaneously saturn was setting when I think mercury 612 00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:50.280 was it was a mercury at the mid heaven. But there was like an 613 00:57:50.320 --> 00:57:52.880 alignment going on, and there was also the moon was with Mars that just 614 00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:59.599 looked rough and disruptive, and the technical side would be indicated there that the 615 00:57:59.639 --> 00:58:06.519 commune ducation didn't quite come through. Yea, yeah, So so here's here's 616 00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:13.920 we're in the fourteenth So six the other people born on that day, Um, 617 00:58:14.639 --> 00:58:21.639 Paul Gogan, the artist, Um, oh really yeah, Larry Hagman, 618 00:58:21.760 --> 00:58:25.599 Morgan Freeman, Alice Cooper, Billy Preston, Bruce Willis, Drew Barrymore. 619 00:58:27.039 --> 00:58:30.320 I had collected these celebrities and put him in the book that we're all 620 00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:34.039 born on that combination. Now, I don't need to know a lot about 621 00:58:34.599 --> 00:58:42.320 all these people, um, but maybe um, I don't think any of 622 00:58:42.360 --> 00:58:46.519 these people are really pushovers. Yeah, I mean, uh, and DeSantis 623 00:58:46.599 --> 00:58:52.920 is a very firm and strong personality. Um, but I feel and I'm 624 00:58:52.960 --> 00:58:55.039 interested in your take. Let's talk about this guy. He seems like a 625 00:58:55.159 --> 00:59:00.559 very young soul, somebody who isn't very worldly, He's very stuck in his 626 00:59:00.719 --> 00:59:08.880 own state, doesn't see the United States as a collective of types. He's 627 00:59:08.960 --> 00:59:16.079 forcing It feels to me like he's forcing his will on others. Yeah. 628 00:59:16.320 --> 00:59:21.760 Well, that that I would agree with. I think that what happens with 629 00:59:21.960 --> 00:59:25.639 that particular sign is that they get a code or you know, some sort 630 00:59:25.679 --> 00:59:31.880 of a system, and they use that to organize their lives. I mean, 631 00:59:31.920 --> 00:59:37.679 you know, some people build up knowledge of the world through experience, 632 00:59:37.559 --> 00:59:43.159 and they synthesize those experiences and they come up with ways of managing what goes 633 00:59:43.199 --> 00:59:46.800 on around them. But what seems to me to be the case, you 634 00:59:46.880 --> 00:59:52.400 know, in my work here, is that this particular sign doesn't do that 635 00:59:52.639 --> 00:59:58.000 so much. It starts with a system and then imposes the system on their 636 00:59:58.079 --> 01:00:04.519 experience. So if you have you know, if if you're a you know, 637 01:00:05.280 --> 01:00:08.280 somebody that studies alchemy, you know, or somebody that is a voice 638 01:00:08.280 --> 01:00:14.679 scout, and you have all these you have a program of behavior and you 639 01:00:14.760 --> 01:00:16.760 know a way of interpreting the world. That's what you do. You you 640 01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:23.440 latch onto that and you interpret it that way. Yeah, and I think 641 01:00:24.039 --> 01:00:29.840 a lot of people do that. Maybe it's done a little more excessively with 642 01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:31.599 this particular sign. See, these are the kinds of things that I'm trying 643 01:00:31.639 --> 01:00:36.679 to work out. I don't claim to have solved all the problems. I've 644 01:00:36.760 --> 01:00:39.599 just raised the issue that. We'll wait a second. These people use this 645 01:00:39.800 --> 01:00:45.519 twenty day count in the two hundred and sixty d Zelopian for all these years. 646 01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:49.079 Were they fools? Uh? Did they? You know? Did it 647 01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:53.679 not work? Um? I think it does, But but why it works 648 01:00:53.760 --> 01:00:57.880 and exactly how it works is yet to be. You know, it's a 649 01:00:58.039 --> 01:01:00.880 it's a job. That's the whole planetary influence that we don't understand because there's 650 01:01:00.920 --> 01:01:09.280 subtle energy, subtle vibrations that pull and pull and release to or on biological 651 01:01:09.480 --> 01:01:14.960 entities, which is what we are. Yeah, and we can't determine how 652 01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:19.480 that's influencing us because we don't. And this is what the This is the 653 01:01:19.800 --> 01:01:23.760 curiosity about these ancient cultures that are long gone and we don't understand their science. 654 01:01:24.199 --> 01:01:31.119 They may have been able to determine planetary influences on a biological level and 655 01:01:31.400 --> 01:01:38.480 its manifestation into life. Yeah, I don't know that they had what kind 656 01:01:38.480 --> 01:01:45.599 of explanations they had for but I will say that early people's were probably really 657 01:01:45.760 --> 01:01:49.719 good observers. I mean, you go into you know, the Amazon jungle, 658 01:01:49.800 --> 01:01:53.199 and you meet these tribes you know that are you know, naked living 659 01:01:53.280 --> 01:01:57.320 out there and have been living the same way for a long time. They 660 01:01:57.400 --> 01:02:02.119 know everything about every plant. You know, they are incredible observers. So 661 01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:07.440 this quality in human beings, you know, undoubtedly existed back then, and 662 01:02:07.559 --> 01:02:14.519 so these people observe these correlations and built this uh you know edifice intellectual and 663 01:02:15.679 --> 01:02:20.159 scientific edifice. Yeah, you know, around around the environment that they saw 664 01:02:20.400 --> 01:02:25.559 that ranged from the planetary motions to the behavior of animals in the forest and 665 01:02:25.679 --> 01:02:30.079 the weather over time and so on. Yeah, I think, but explaining 666 01:02:30.119 --> 01:02:35.000 it, that's you know, I'm a modern person. I'm trying to link 667 01:02:35.079 --> 01:02:37.960 it to as many things as possible. Correlations for the first step. Yeah, 668 01:02:38.639 --> 01:02:43.079 Hey, as we conclude, and by the way, for you those 669 01:02:43.119 --> 01:02:45.800 of you are listening, in the book we're talking about is how to practice 670 01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:51.920 mind astrology, the Zulkan calendar and your life path. Let's do a case 671 01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:55.440 study. If you would pull something out of the hat there perhaps a client 672 01:02:55.719 --> 01:03:02.679 needed to know a life path that you helped him with or her with, 673 01:03:04.519 --> 01:03:07.800 or there was a wellness situation. Why don't you give us a case study 674 01:03:07.320 --> 01:03:15.000 where they were able to use the system that you've developed into getting some kind 675 01:03:15.039 --> 01:03:20.639 of answer. Yeah, well, there's two things. There's there's two ways 676 01:03:20.719 --> 01:03:22.199 for me to respond to that question. The first one I'm not going to 677 01:03:22.280 --> 01:03:25.320 do. The second one I will. And the reason why the first one 678 01:03:25.440 --> 01:03:32.320 is I developed my own model of meso American astrology. I quote the Mesoamerican 679 01:03:32.440 --> 01:03:38.360 Chart and it is described in that book where you calculate the snotics cycles of 680 01:03:38.440 --> 01:03:43.840 the planets, and at a given date, say a birth, you determine 681 01:03:44.119 --> 01:03:49.440 at what phase how far through the snotics cycle each planet was. A snotic 682 01:03:49.519 --> 01:03:53.119 cycle is the cycle of the planet and the sun. So you know, 683 01:03:53.239 --> 01:03:58.159 one example would be the one that everybody knows is the moon. The cycle 684 01:03:58.199 --> 01:04:00.800 of the moon and the sun is what we see as new moon first quarter, 685 01:04:00.960 --> 01:04:05.599 full moon, third quarter. That's a sonotics cycle. Synods sin means 686 01:04:05.679 --> 01:04:10.840 too, so there's a sonotic cycle of the Sun and Venus son and Mercury 687 01:04:10.920 --> 01:04:14.760 son of Mars son and signs at right. So you figure this all out 688 01:04:14.840 --> 01:04:19.280 and you get a chart. There's software that I mentioned before, Astrolabe, 689 01:04:20.280 --> 01:04:26.000 my life path astrology that does that's complicated. But the second thing the way 690 01:04:26.519 --> 01:04:30.559 and I would use those charts sometimes in my readings, but mostly what I 691 01:04:30.599 --> 01:04:33.920 would do is I would look at somebody's Western chart, but I would also 692 01:04:34.000 --> 01:04:39.760 calculate like I just did for rhn De Santis would look up their day sign 693 01:04:40.199 --> 01:04:44.039 and their thirteen day sign, and I would write that on the side. 694 01:04:44.360 --> 01:04:49.440 And I would also check where their venus was in the venus cycle, and 695 01:04:49.519 --> 01:04:56.079 I would begin to integrate that information into my reading. Now, for example, 696 01:04:56.440 --> 01:05:00.960 just looking at venus, I didn't mention that before people are born with 697 01:05:01.320 --> 01:05:06.440 venus either in conjunction with the sun, and that could be when the sun 698 01:05:06.639 --> 01:05:12.239 is when Venus is retrograde, or when venus is not retrograde, or they're 699 01:05:12.280 --> 01:05:16.440 going to be born at morning star or evening star. So that's four distinct 700 01:05:17.480 --> 01:05:21.880 parts of the venus cycle. And these are both talked about in the Maya 701 01:05:23.559 --> 01:05:29.119 codiceas and Aztec cod seas and so on. And I would make these distinctions. 702 01:05:29.159 --> 01:05:33.159 People born with a morning star venus, but they are far more willing 703 01:05:33.360 --> 01:05:42.719 to take social risks than people with venus in the evening star position. And 704 01:05:43.280 --> 01:05:45.000 I would use this. I would this would pop up in my head, 705 01:05:45.039 --> 01:05:48.559 and I would notice the angular difference between the Sun and Venus, and I 706 01:05:48.599 --> 01:05:51.440 would know where in its cycle it was. And then I would look at 707 01:05:51.480 --> 01:05:55.400 the day signs and I would i would look up, you know, say 708 01:05:55.800 --> 01:06:00.760 I have a chart in front of me, and the day sign crocodile comes 709 01:06:00.840 --> 01:06:04.519 up right away. I know that. Okay, you know this is this 710 01:06:04.760 --> 01:06:08.320 person has kind of got a little bit of an aggressive, you know, 711 01:06:08.480 --> 01:06:13.960 assertive streak, and you know they bite, and and yet they're they're very 712 01:06:14.039 --> 01:06:17.880 protective, you know, they're they're um, they're on guard all the time. 713 01:06:18.239 --> 01:06:24.400 They're strong characters, and you know, you see them in very powerful 714 01:06:24.480 --> 01:06:27.920 positions. You know. So for example, if I look up in my 715 01:06:28.079 --> 01:06:31.800 list over here in the day Signs book of people born under crocodile um, 716 01:06:33.079 --> 01:06:42.280 you get people like um, oh, Joe Biden, Um, Alan Watts, 717 01:06:42.880 --> 01:06:49.199 Um, Howard Hughes, Frank Sinatra, Tom Hanks, mout Sate Tongue, 718 01:06:51.039 --> 01:06:59.960 um Orson Wells, Thomas Edison, Walt Disney. You know, very 719 01:07:00.039 --> 01:07:05.199 very strong characters that basically build their own world around them and they managed that 720 01:07:05.360 --> 01:07:09.599 world. And they're tough. They're all of them murder are very tough. 721 01:07:10.800 --> 01:07:14.880 And uh, you know, Biden's an old guy, but you could tell 722 01:07:14.920 --> 01:07:18.159 that he's pretty tough. He probably just doesn't shot that much. Yeah, 723 01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:25.679 he's a son in scorpio in western astrology. Yeah, but he's born under 724 01:07:25.719 --> 01:07:31.400 crocodile in Mayan astrology emish um. So I would take that information and I 725 01:07:31.719 --> 01:07:35.960 would I would bring it in, but it would also allow it would direct 726 01:07:36.079 --> 01:07:43.519 me to the parts of their chart. Their astrological chart that I see are 727 01:07:43.639 --> 01:07:47.400 almost always emphasized with people born under that day sign. So I was doing 728 01:07:47.679 --> 01:07:54.559 a synthesis, a kind of um hybrid interpretation of the chart. That's that's 729 01:07:54.559 --> 01:07:58.159 how I handled it. There were some people that, uh, you know, 730 01:07:58.320 --> 01:08:01.199 wanted the purest an astrology chart, and I would do that now and 731 01:08:01.280 --> 01:08:04.360 then, but I'm retired now, I don't do it at all. Uh. 732 01:08:04.679 --> 01:08:09.320 I got a lot of little projects going on and don't interestand in this 733 01:08:09.519 --> 01:08:13.559 one. Trying to pick up information when I can, but not as much 734 01:08:13.599 --> 01:08:16.840 as I was doing you a few decades ago, right up to twenty and 735 01:08:16.880 --> 01:08:21.079 twelve. Wow. So those of you listening the book How to Practice Mine 736 01:08:21.119 --> 01:08:30.000 Astrology, very easy to read. He's supports the material with all kinds of 737 01:08:30.960 --> 01:08:34.800 charts in the back. Tell us about your website and how people can learn 738 01:08:34.840 --> 01:08:40.119 more about your work. Okay, I have a website with my friend Barry 739 01:08:40.159 --> 01:08:45.960 work. It's one read O N E R E E D now one read 740 01:08:47.319 --> 01:08:51.319 is the code word. Well in English it is for kets a quaddle, 741 01:08:53.039 --> 01:08:56.359 right, you know, you know in Aztec language. Now I want to 742 01:08:56.439 --> 01:09:01.319 let's say a cottom. So it's one read dot com and we have some 743 01:09:01.560 --> 01:09:05.199 articles that I've written on it, and we have a calculator that allows you 744 01:09:05.279 --> 01:09:10.359 to do pick up your day sign and your thirteen day sign. You can 745 01:09:10.520 --> 01:09:14.319 you can learn something about it there. Okay, books are for sale. 746 01:09:14.720 --> 01:09:18.199 The How to Practice Mind Astrologies technically out of print, but there are some 747 01:09:18.359 --> 01:09:26.079 copies available, um and if you can't get it through Intertraditions, you know, 748 01:09:26.720 --> 01:09:29.760 to go to one Reade. I actually saw it on the inter Traditions 749 01:09:29.800 --> 01:09:32.720 website. They're still keeping it, and I think I also saw it on 750 01:09:33.199 --> 01:09:39.239 Amazon, but I don't remember what the price was. The longer it's been 751 01:09:39.239 --> 01:09:43.479 out of print, the more challenging it is to get so, but Intertraditions 752 01:09:43.560 --> 01:09:51.239 carries it taco real quickly. H Bruce on how to access the software? 753 01:09:51.840 --> 01:09:56.560 Is that something that anyone can go and purchase or how do they go about 754 01:09:56.640 --> 01:09:59.239 doing that? Well, you can. You can go on our website when 755 01:09:59.279 --> 01:10:03.399 read and you can see we have some software up there that allows you to 756 01:10:03.479 --> 01:10:08.479 do a few little things. Okay, some of the calculations. But the 757 01:10:09.279 --> 01:10:15.680 the Maya Life Path astrology program is published by Astrolabe, which is a software 758 01:10:15.720 --> 01:10:21.279 company for astrologers, and their website is a labe a labe dot com and 759 01:10:21.800 --> 01:10:25.920 uh, you know, they have samples there and you can talk to them. 760 01:10:26.439 --> 01:10:30.039 But that does a lot. And you know, for people that are 761 01:10:30.079 --> 01:10:31.319 interested in you know, they want to get into the guts of it, 762 01:10:31.399 --> 01:10:35.000 you can. You can change the calendar correlation around. You could print out 763 01:10:35.079 --> 01:10:40.720 an ephemerius, you could get a delineation and so on. Excellent. So, 764 01:10:41.439 --> 01:10:44.479 uh, you say you're retired, Now what are you doing with yourself? 765 01:10:44.600 --> 01:10:46.560 You can't be sitting there your your minds. I can see your mind 766 01:10:46.640 --> 01:10:50.279 working constantly. What are you doing? Are you writing a new book? 767 01:10:50.439 --> 01:10:57.319 Are you casting the charts of private citizens? Well, I'm trying to I'm 768 01:10:58.039 --> 01:11:02.239 I'm trying to finish up unfinished objects. And right now I'm finishing recording an 769 01:11:02.279 --> 01:11:09.680 album of music that I songs that didn't get released in the sixties and early 770 01:11:09.800 --> 01:11:13.680 seventies. I put out an album back then and it's very rare and it's 771 01:11:14.119 --> 01:11:16.840 selling for a few hundred dollars. So I thought the songs that weren't included 772 01:11:16.920 --> 01:11:19.439 on it, I would record. I would record them, a lot of 773 01:11:19.479 --> 01:11:23.479 them for the first time, and then have like bonus tracks. I didn't 774 01:11:23.520 --> 01:11:29.640 know you were in a position. Fascinating, fantastic. Hey, Bruce Scholfield, 775 01:11:29.720 --> 01:11:33.319 thank you very much. Pleasure speaking with you as always, and I 776 01:11:33.359 --> 01:11:42.920 appreciate your time. Thank you club my pleasure. As I was listening to 777 01:11:43.119 --> 01:11:49.680 that interview, I was wondering what we've missed out in not getting and having 778 01:11:50.640 --> 01:11:59.439 prophecy from these earlier civilizations. We're left on our own to decide to how 779 01:11:59.479 --> 01:12:02.319 to treat the environment, how to go about living, how to treat other 780 01:12:03.279 --> 01:12:10.439 earth humans, our family, our friends, are citizens. And I'm a 781 01:12:10.479 --> 01:12:14.520 little concerned right now. I just got news that in the Middle East we've 782 01:12:14.600 --> 01:12:21.399 had probably the hottest weather in recorded history one hundred and twenty degrees fahrenheit. 783 01:12:21.439 --> 01:12:29.079 I think that's forty eight or forty nine degrees celsius. And why that's important 784 01:12:29.119 --> 01:12:34.079 to know that is at the high end of the heat spectrum, and around 785 01:12:34.159 --> 01:12:41.119 that point it's so devastating to the human body that it causes brain damage, 786 01:12:41.600 --> 01:12:45.720 burns not only burns the skin, it burns the organs, the ultra violet 787 01:12:45.800 --> 01:12:53.039 rays pierce the skin and began cooking the organs. You cannot be outside in 788 01:12:53.520 --> 01:12:57.680 that temperature. And this is almost like some kind of a movie that we're 789 01:12:57.720 --> 01:13:01.239 dealing with, where the temperatures, the environment is so toxic that we can't 790 01:13:01.399 --> 01:13:06.840 we can't survive. And when I read that, I gotta shiver up my 791 01:13:06.920 --> 01:13:12.439 spine because I was thinking, is this what we're looking forward to where we 792 01:13:12.600 --> 01:13:18.720 are not allowed to go outside because it's it's so hot, it's so toxic 793 01:13:19.079 --> 01:13:25.000 to us, and we can look forward to and if so, we have 794 01:13:25.520 --> 01:13:30.960 major problems. If we had known about similar issues with the Maya, with 795 01:13:31.039 --> 01:13:35.279 the Chinese, with the Egyptians, with some of these earlier civilizations, to 796 01:13:35.439 --> 01:13:40.920 watch out, to watch your environment, you know, maybe we would heed 797 01:13:41.039 --> 01:13:50.920 this information more readily. Now on that vein, it's funny that we hear 798 01:13:51.079 --> 01:13:59.439 from this is necessarily necessarily a joke, but one of the main messages from 799 01:14:00.279 --> 01:14:08.000 people who meet aliens, either in abductions or face to face or are brought 800 01:14:08.119 --> 01:14:15.640 on board their craft, is the fact that we need to be more aware 801 01:14:15.800 --> 01:14:19.359 of our planet, how we interact with it, how we polluted, and 802 01:14:19.680 --> 01:14:27.680 how we are trying to how we should be caring for gaia here in California, 803 01:14:28.600 --> 01:14:30.439 And I don't know if this is going to work out or not. 804 01:14:30.119 --> 01:14:40.000 The Governor Newsom has set up a program by twenty thirty what are we twenty 805 01:14:40.119 --> 01:14:45.560 twenty three, twenty thirty three, ten years from now, all vehicles on 806 01:14:45.680 --> 01:14:50.119 the road have to be electric or at least hybrid. How he's going to 807 01:14:50.199 --> 01:14:54.279 pull that off, I don't know. But it's very very, very ambitious, 808 01:14:55.359 --> 01:14:58.640 and I think it's it's it's great, but how do you know, 809 01:14:58.760 --> 01:15:03.159 how do you do this? Cars? Right now, these evs or these 810 01:15:03.279 --> 01:15:08.600 hybrids are so expensive the average person can't afford them, you know. So, 811 01:15:09.359 --> 01:15:13.039 but this is this is something that we need to look at radically changing 812 01:15:13.319 --> 01:15:17.520 how we affect the environment. And if it means that we've got to take 813 01:15:17.560 --> 01:15:24.159 off all fossil fuel vehicles off the road, at some point, we may 814 01:15:24.239 --> 01:15:30.600 have to. As we begin to detect our atmosphere on greater with greater detail, 815 01:15:31.520 --> 01:15:36.279 and we begin to see that carbon monoxide is causing great, great damage, 816 01:15:36.800 --> 01:15:41.880 we had to do something radically. We had to alter our lifestyles radically, 817 01:15:43.119 --> 01:15:47.800 and so this may be you know, California typically is the future of 818 01:15:47.880 --> 01:15:56.880 the United States. Many of the policies and programs and ideas are nurtured in 819 01:15:57.000 --> 01:16:00.760 California and then are passed through other parts of the country. Some of you 820 01:16:01.920 --> 01:16:04.800 listening may say, well, that's you know, I don't know you're talking 821 01:16:04.840 --> 01:16:09.760 about. That's not true. Well, if you look at statistics over the 822 01:16:09.880 --> 01:16:13.920 last twenty or thirty years, this is kind of the way it happens, 823 01:16:14.079 --> 01:16:16.960 kind of the way it goes, and so we need to pay attention. 824 01:16:17.439 --> 01:16:23.880 You need to pay attention. And what Bruce was saying about some of the 825 01:16:25.279 --> 01:16:30.760 environmental problems we are faced with, they're just getting worse. They're not getting 826 01:16:30.840 --> 01:16:34.960 better, They're getting worse. And at some point, you know, where 827 01:16:35.000 --> 01:16:40.079 do we work, where do we put our foot down? Not educated about 828 01:16:40.159 --> 01:16:47.359 this, They consider it a nuisance to be environmentally aware of their impact. 829 01:16:48.079 --> 01:16:53.840 And that's not just pollution, that's that's I mean, that's just not you 830 01:16:53.960 --> 01:16:59.680 know, fossil fuel pollution. It's also littering and throwing things out your window 831 01:17:00.000 --> 01:17:05.760 and dumping in rivers and dumping on ocean beaches. People are just not educated. 832 01:17:05.840 --> 01:17:10.640 They're just it's almost like a lot of people are in survival mode. 833 01:17:11.640 --> 01:17:17.039 They're going through the motions of living and not caring for the planet that they 834 01:17:17.159 --> 01:17:21.680 live on, the Gaia our planet. So this is really really critical and 835 01:17:21.760 --> 01:17:26.920 I'm gonna be talking more about this. We're gonna have a couple of environmental 836 01:17:27.000 --> 01:17:31.560 scientists to talk about the heat wave that we're dealing with because this year we're 837 01:17:31.640 --> 01:17:39.840 seeing numbers that are off the charts, off the charts, and not only 838 01:17:39.920 --> 01:17:45.079 does this make us uncomfortable physically, it also is a great problem for our 839 01:17:46.000 --> 01:17:53.640 food growth. Our crops are damaged by this heat. Animal life cannot survive 840 01:17:53.760 --> 01:17:58.399 this heat. And you know, if you're not comfortable, you're not productive, 841 01:17:58.479 --> 01:18:03.840 So productivity starts to have a problem. So these are really critical issues 842 01:18:03.920 --> 01:18:05.840 that we want to talk about. And so I'm going to have a couple 843 01:18:05.920 --> 01:18:15.319 of different ecologists or perhaps environmental scientists talk about how we can go about becoming 844 01:18:15.399 --> 01:18:24.119 more aware and improving our lifestyle so it doesn't impact our planet. So you 845 01:18:24.159 --> 01:18:28.279 can look forward to hearing more on that topic. So it's good to have 846 01:18:28.640 --> 01:18:33.239 Bruce on the program. Again. If you have no clue on what astrology 847 01:18:33.439 --> 01:18:40.159 is, look for the Earth Ancients podcast with Susan Miller and the Astrology Zone. 848 01:18:40.159 --> 01:18:43.199 And if you don't know who she is, get on your computer, 849 01:18:43.439 --> 01:18:48.840 do a search for Susan Miller Astrology and every month she does a really nice 850 01:18:49.760 --> 01:18:57.760 overview of each sign in the astrology chart and you get a sense of what 851 01:18:57.920 --> 01:19:01.680 she's coming. She's very positive, but she also brings out issues problems that 852 01:19:01.760 --> 01:19:06.560 we're having. So start with that and then listen to the podcast or go 853 01:19:06.720 --> 01:19:15.079 on YouTube, or find another podcast or a program on on your TV and 854 01:19:15.840 --> 01:19:23.359 learn about astrology because it's a really really good tool for your for yourself, 855 01:19:23.800 --> 01:19:29.479 for your family, and in many ways it's a form of prophecy. So 856 01:19:29.800 --> 01:19:33.479 take it as it is a tool, a tool for you to use. 857 01:19:36.960 --> 01:19:42.560 Hey, we are going to Mexico. We do an annual Mexico tour. 858 01:19:42.760 --> 01:19:45.720 We've been doing them for the last sevent eight years. It's the ancient Maya 859 01:19:45.840 --> 01:19:51.479 of Tabasco and Chiapas. It's November tenth through the seventeenth. It's with doctor 860 01:19:53.039 --> 01:20:00.560 Edwin Barnhardt and he's been trekking through these may insights for years and I'm really 861 01:20:00.640 --> 01:20:05.880 looking forward to joining him and learning his perspective, his point of view on 862 01:20:06.039 --> 01:20:13.920 places like Leventev, which is the heart of the Almec civilization, polank Bumpack, 863 01:20:14.560 --> 01:20:17.920 and a number of other sites. We will be visiting from November tenth 864 01:20:18.039 --> 01:20:23.479 through the seventeenth of this year. For more information, go to Earth Ancients 865 01:20:23.520 --> 01:20:29.000 dot com, forward slash Tours t O U r S. Check it out 866 01:20:30.079 --> 01:20:32.680 look at the itinerary. It's a short, like I said, seven day 867 01:20:32.720 --> 01:20:36.520 tour, but we're packing a lot in there, and if you know me, 868 01:20:36.800 --> 01:20:43.840 I'm into the ancient megaliths. These gigantic stones that were carved by the 869 01:20:43.920 --> 01:20:47.319 people known as the Olmec will be there. Polanky by itself is worth the 870 01:20:47.359 --> 01:20:53.640 price of admission because Polanki is really one of the gems of the Mayan culture. 871 01:20:54.159 --> 01:20:57.159 Will be there for a couple of days. The first day we'll see 872 01:20:57.199 --> 01:21:02.319 the general layout of the place. The pyramid of the inscriptions is where King 873 01:21:02.439 --> 01:21:10.399 Pacall was buried, his queen, his wife, I think she's the Red 874 01:21:10.520 --> 01:21:15.600 Queen. She's there. The second day, Ed's going to take us on 875 01:21:15.760 --> 01:21:20.279 a unique private tour of some of the temples and excavation sites that have not 876 01:21:20.520 --> 01:21:26.840 been exposed to the public. So we're taking a private tour of temples, 877 01:21:26.880 --> 01:21:30.479 pyramids and buildings that no one gets to see. That is going to be 878 01:21:30.600 --> 01:21:34.359 a blast, and I'm really looking forward to hanging with Ed and whoever can 879 01:21:34.439 --> 01:21:38.840 join us. We're almost full. You'd like to know more about it, 880 01:21:38.960 --> 01:21:45.079 go to Earth Ancients dot com, Forward slash Tours, click on the Maya 881 01:21:45.159 --> 01:21:48.760 banner. The whole itinerary's there. Hey, if you have any questions, 882 01:21:48.840 --> 01:21:54.359 send me an email Earth Ancients for you. Then the letter the number four 883 01:21:54.439 --> 01:21:58.439 the letter you at gmail dot com and go, Hey, Cliff, I 884 01:21:58.520 --> 01:22:01.399 want more information. Tell me about this. Why should I go? Hey? 885 01:22:01.760 --> 01:22:05.640 You should go? Because this is an eye opener. It really brings 886 01:22:06.359 --> 01:22:14.319 everything together. It really is a harmonizing tour and it's really a great place 887 01:22:14.399 --> 01:22:18.800 to see the ancient past, see how they were living and the beauty of 888 01:22:18.880 --> 01:22:25.800 these places that they were calling home. Birth Ancients dot com, Forward slash 889 01:22:26.039 --> 01:22:30.640 Tours. All right, that's it for this week. I want to thank 890 01:22:30.680 --> 01:22:32.680 my guest today, Bruce Schofield. If you want his book, you can 891 01:22:32.720 --> 01:22:39.720 get it on Amazon, How to Practice Mayan Astrology, The Zulkan Calendar and 892 01:22:40.319 --> 01:22:44.000 Your Life Path. That was a good one, all right. As always 893 01:22:44.119 --> 01:22:49.479 the team of Ruth Thomas, Mark Foster, and Chris Hazel, You guys 894 01:22:49.640 --> 01:22:53.479 rock, thank you for your help. Thank you, thank you, Thank 895 01:22:53.560 --> 01:22:57.520 you all right, take care of you, will and we will talk to 896 01:22:57.600 --> 01:22:58.319 you next time.