Hello everybody, and welcome to That's Not Metal for a little bit of a
late hyper blast. But here we are once again hitting you up with everything
you need to know in terms of rock and metal news, everything big that
has gone on in these here parts in the last seven days or so.
My name is Parnheish with me once again for one of these. We've got
Mark Sanderson and Sam Dignon. This is the post download week. I suppose
I know a lot of you guys listening. We'll have you know, now
returned from a download festival. We are going to talk about some of the
things that kind of emerged out of download festival in a little while. But
even without that, just like it was last week when we had all sorts
of talking to talk about. I don't know what it is. This June
just feels like one of the biggest live music, everything big going on at
once. Things I've I've experienced one time, even though I'm primarily not a
part of that, but everything's going down. The three of us here all
had stuff to talk about. Before we do that, I'll just say,
you know, pleasantries, Hello, how are we Yeah, I'm all good.
I'm excited to chat about the live music. I was like, I've
been busy at a full weekend, like three hardcore gigs in three days.
Who do I think? I am? Like, yeah, were you?
Were you aching come come the end of the mon Monday and we're going to
work in Monday morning. I was just like, man, this is a
mistake. Yeah. I did two nights in the trot, which I try
not to do anymore because my body is all made of shit. You recovered
from Finland yet barely I've barely had time, Like you say, every show
was just happening this month. Yeah, well the only thing I actually have
this month apart from, you know, after the Fortunes Festival, which I
feel like this tour has kind of gone under the radar, I mean,
overshadowed by everything else going on. But I do want to stress how fucking
sick it was. I want to see High on Fire, who their new
album is absolutely brilliant, and they're always brilliant, but this new album is
very, very, very good. And I was really excited for this tour,
you know, for months, because the last time I saw High on
Fire was Damnation Festival twenty fifteen, nine years ago. I missed the whole
cycle for the last album and getting to go to a headline show in Rebellion
in Manchester, which is like a three four hundred cap venue or something,
and I was like, I wonder if anyone who's ever won a Grammy before
has then place his venue. It was very, very surreal once I started
thinking about it in that way. But one of the absolute like best bands
in their particular lane ever and getting to see them at you know, their
own show tory for such a great album was a real treat. They opened
with the song Burning Down, which was deleting from the current album, which
has this huge, like cyclical kind of hypnotic riff. They were absurdly loud,
like one of the most like I am very like I was grateful to
have ear plugs you know kind of shows, because it felt like it was
just like hammering on my heart. It was crazy. And again the three
guys come out. The new drummer, Cody is incredibly like excitable and like
looks like he's having the most fun playing the drums again. First song Burning
Down, Jeff the bassist walks out and he's got one of those like double
necked guitars, one of which was like a four string bass guitar the top,
which was like a you know, a more six string guitar, just
looking like an absolute dude. And there was one point, I swear to
god, there was one point where we was playing both necks at the same
time because he was tapping with like one hand on each neck doing something and
I was like, that is a guy who knows how to fucking rock,
Like no one has ever rocked harder than this bunch of dudes. Matt Pike,
of course on sensational form. They were in fact, so you know,
just again from burning down then straight into turk, which is just like
full on drum fill cacophony, those fast songs like Rumors of War. I
was after going fucking mental for absolutely incredible. But they were so ass kicking
that they basically like like uh, completely fucked up the bass rig And there
was a point where everything just like broke. He stopped and we had like
a weird it was like, you know, the bass went, but Matt
Pike's guitar was still on, so him and the drummer just like a weird
like instrumental jam for gen about five ten minutes while the rest of the guys
like you know the crew and if he tried to fix this base thing looking
at settlers for the tool. I think we did lose. At the very
least we lost come down Hessian, which is a sad thing, but once
he's got back on track again. Just absolutely it was like one of those
gigs that felt like they were like wrestling with the power of technology to keep
up with, Like how insanely powerful they were. Absolutely, like, you
know, apart from the fact that it broke down halfway through, it might
as well have been a perfect gig, Like they were just one of the
most ass kicking bands you can see on the entire planet. And like I
said, that felt like the kind of minor story in like meus this week,
I don't want stress how sick it was, Sam. I guess some
of your bands that we're going to talk about were also relevant for you know,
the download situation that we can talk about. But your sort of three
day extravaganza of outbreak prefest warm up, I guess. I guess, Yeah,
a couple of hardcore weekenders it in a few weeks. Yeah, so
yeah, it started off with a show. I was very very excited about
Code Orange, their first London headline show in essentially a decade that feels very
weird. Yeah, they've done like other headline dates around, but not one
in London for like ten years. And yeah, I was obviously very very
excited sold out at the Dome, So this this like was like, oh
hell yeah, I will say this was a bit of a moment I kind
of had to grudgingly accept something seeing Code Orange where I was kind of like,
oh, yeah, if I want Code Orange to be as big as
I want them to be, I kind of have to let go of that
outbreak set we saw last year, for example, because the crowd like not
that outbreak crowd like you saw how like that outbreak I was like tearing each
other to piece, bodies flying everywhere. They obviously actually have appealed to an
awful lot of metal fans, like probably more metal fans than hardcre fans at
that London show on the night, and as a result, it was the
vibes were were very different. Started the way they start the album, So
opening with Never Far Apart into Fear of Cruelty and to take Shape was very
much although you do like the second half of Never Far apart from the do
It Do It bit like that that comes in as they're sort of opening but
already beginning to sort of like not doing the high intensity, explosive hardcore opening
that you might usually expect from Code Orange. It was a more kind of
like gradual build take shape. Sounded fucking incredible life And this was that was
the moment I wasn't going like, oh yeah, well this is what Code
Orange could be. This just like big, cool, exciting rock band.
Then they did like drowning in It, the remix of the chitar track from
Underneath, like pop the room off. It was then when they went swallowing
that pole that was mem whyle. I was like, you know what,
I've had enough and I was throwing my body off the stage and I was
like I need to get something o from this crowd. But they were brilliant.
They were just like cod Ons play with such a violent intensity at all
times. Probably Jane was probably the most chill I've seen him, actually kind
of actually being a bit more like thankful to the crowd, saying like this
is fucking wicked you're here. Like the less the kind of violent killing machine
that's stalking the stage. Like again, like the outbreak was and more a
metal front man who was actually somewhat relatable. Setlist, great mix of of
like the last three albums predominantly nice to see a little bit more of underneath
getting their cold metal place was really cool to have that in the set list.
The closing run was when it just went I was like, oh,
this is shit kicking time. When they go my world out for Blood Forever
like as a run, I was like, fucking yeah, my word again,
I'm on the stage spin kicking forever. I'm actually like, I know,
I feel like I was like, I'm a terrible person with this,
but I like stage dive, come down and just stop winning in my fists
and washing and I was like, you know what, Like if I'm gonna
do it for any band, I'm gonna color. And then they end on
the above like which just sounded fucking glorious as a close, and I was
kind of like, you know what, I'm not getting, you know,
the full of on violent intensity of the Outbreak set, but kind of getting
a bit of everything with Code Orage now where you're getting these massive single longs,
You're getting so everyone dance having fun, and I was kind of like,
this feels like a necessary step to get Code Omage I want to be
It was absolutely spectacular. Everyone in that room will tell you the same thing,
and I gathered they end up having one of the more eventful sets that
download, so that that's you know, they've had a they've had a they
had a busy weekend Code Orange. But yeah, they are still one of
the best life bands on the planet, and I hope they kind of actually
get a proper tour going and start to really get the momentum they deserve.
So what's the deal with this weekend? The thing? Because I know that
you were again you saw essentially the same bill. A couple of things are
the like, is this part of the uh? The bands who pulled out
of Download them been a replacement thing put on? Sure what exactly was going
on? The replacement on was on the Friday initially the in London, the
Flats What Records? Who are one of them? Sort of really cool hard
for labels at the moment. They have Speed, Zulu, Scoal bugging like
a bunch of really rad bands. They would They had a weekend sort of
showcase booked at the Dome on Download weekend. Most of promoted all the bands
on that who were playing Download were the ones who pulled out Speed scal Zulu.
I ended up only going to the to that the Saturday show, which
was Scowl, Chubby and the Gang, Jive Bomb and Stiff Meds, and
then I decided Scowl doing a really cheap show and Brighton the next day and
I'm just kind of currently obsessed with Scouts. Why spent the day and bright
with friends and then went to that and that was good fun. But yeah,
I'll kind of really talk about the flat Spot thing Scowl would the both
nights was largely the same set. They did do a surprise encore in Brighton,
which was nice, like an actual unplanned like they'd finished the set and
everyone was kind of just like, no, no, come on, goop
you one more that actually, and they were like, do we actually do
it on core? Okay, we have one song left, I guess.
But yeah. Stiff Meds, who opened the Flat Spot show on the Saturday,
totally solid hardcore punk, like enjoyable, Like I had fun watching them.
They didn't blow me away, but they were like a solid opening of
this sort of thing. Jive Bomb really impressed with them there. One I'm
gonna be keeping an eye on again on the punky side of hardcore, but
with a like real mean edge there vocalist. She's tiny, but she seems
like the sort of person who would like beat the shit. I you've be
pissed her off, like she had like fierce and and her like screaming is
like really a guttural. They were really impressive. They they were. They
supported Scale on both nights I saw them, and those two shows, I'm
like, yeah, no, give one more wicked. I think they're an
outbreak if you are going, I do recommend seeing them, but they also
do clash with balance and composure. Chevy and the Gang was an interesting one
because I remember a couple of years ago there was a lot of there was
quite a bit of buzz around them, and they kind of felt like they
were getting a lot of big support slots, and it feels like it's not
really gone anywhere. They were fine again, Like, I think they're quite
fun showing the Gang, but I don't know, it's just kind of fairly
standard shouty punk, isn't it, Like, but yeah, totally decent and
Scale, who again, I think are one of the most exciting newer hardcore
bands. They're like of the crop of the new hard call bands I Want's
traving up. They're probably my personal favorite, just because I think the thing
they're doing like really taps into what I like about Parkle with like the really
like punk heage, but then also the sort of alt rock touches. I
think Kat is a fucking superstar. She is like one of the great hardcore
vocalists right now. Just a really great presence on stage. Both nights they
just came on, ripped through half an hour, played like the entire Psychic
dancrouteen EP most of the album like that again though those Psychic Dancer team tracks
are the kind of real standouts in the Scale set now, but they're still
really fun stuff from the first down and stuff like four Walls and fuck Around
find Out like those get the crowd going. But like the title track of
Psychic Dance Routine, which is big single on Everyone Dancing Opening Night as their
closer again, just bodies flying everywhere that they're really onto it with Scale.
I think I think the test and them will be with the next time where
they followup this EP where they go. But yeah, it's just a really
good showcase for them, and they particularly again kind of at the London show
and at the branches were sort of again shouting out the sort of things that
they were taking a stand against with them putting out a download and all that.
So, yeah, I had a great weekend washing lots. Yeah,
because they're you were saying that three days on the truck you can't do so
much anymore. How many days was it until Billy Talent rolled around, which
was also mark you that together. I guess Billy Talent was on the Thursday,
so I had MONDAYE toes Sday Wednesday to sort of like rest and recover,
let my body get back to sort of feeling good decent sized venues.
So the first like proper headline toward Bill Talent have done in fucking ages,
Like, yeah, they're a hard band to gauge kind of how much they're
around, and I don't quite know. I feel like I often see their
name, but I've never had the ugly to see them myself. They do,
they do like festivals mostly here, like you can guarantee they'll be headlining
the third stage at Download every couple of years or something like that, and
maybe like popping up at a slam dunk or something of that. But into
the headline tours, you'll get one per album cycle. Maybe I saw them,
Like I said, they did a very very intimate runner a couple of
years ago, right on the release of the last album, which was very
good. But this was like first of people like, oh yeah, they're
in like three thousand capacity venue in London really like pretty much must have been
very nearly sold out because it was a big crowd for them, and I
was kind of like, oh that cool. People have actually excited to see
Billy Talent, and the crowd were really up for it. Opening with Devin
in the midnight mass as they always do, like if it Ain't Broke,
Don't Fix. It's the perfect opening song, isn't it? Mark right?
And I would wager the last thirty seconds of that song was the best thirty
seconds of music when Ben just starts screeching, ah yeah, fucking ace.
Every time they've been doing like different set lists, so like I was interestly
looking at like song comparing the set list, but yeah, like just banger
after banger in London. Quite a lot of Billy Talent. One showcase which
I was very happy about. Line and Sinker was the one that popped me
as like when they do this bit up and then Bench goes what cho say,
Yes, what joke get and I was like, oh, I can
go like that was so jealous. I'm human. I will say though,
you got My favorite song off of Afraid of Heights, which I like was
when I do want to see them play because I really liked that album.
Oh yeah, me too. They could they could have played any song from
that and I'd enjoy it really. Yeah. It's interesting because I think this
was the first Scottish show in about ten years or something eight years. It
would have been like the Afraid of Heights tour in twenty sixteen or something like
that. Yeah, I think. So the barrels was sold out and people
were going for people were so happy to be like it was just such a
nice atmosphere to be in. That's what I thought in London, like really
celebratory. Everyone actually just having a really good time, like yeah, and
it was quite a you know, a diverse crowd as well. Where near
the end of the set, I was knackers went near the back and I
ended up like dancing with this old retired guy. And also it's like young
girl to Red Flag and all of us just going crazy for it. And
it's I've been a Billy Talent fan since I was about eleven and never got
the chance to see them because they just pop up randomly without much fanfare,
and I never get a chance to see them. So seeing songs like Red
Flag and Fallen Leaves, it was like healing by in her child, you
know. It was just such a wholesome time. They sound so tight,
they sound the same as they do on record, and I was just in
disbelief. Oh, it was so big of a sick pompador up like like
to a point, like he's he's still got I saw a picture of this
man for the first time the other week because I've never quite paid attention to
what the rest of these looked like. And I can't believe that he still
has that hair in the Year of Our Lords twenty twenty four. I can't
believe that that was not just like a picture of someone from Alien and Farm
in two thousand and two. There was one year where he didn't where his
hair is down and it looks normal. But now he's just spiking it back
up again, because that's the look. You got, a look that iconic.
You can't let it go, king, Yeah, No, absolutely like
I'd be sad if he was up on stage not with that hair. So
I went to Hampden Park in Glasgow to the big rock and roll spectacular of
the summer, the Foo Fighters. But here we are to her Foo Fighters,
my first time seeing them. Obviously a lifelong Food Fighters fan. Pretty
much what you know, It's like we were saying about Billy talent. They're
a well oiled machine. They're so tight, like they're just so in the
pocket, and they have so many not just like big songs, but certified
hits that it they could just pull out fucking the pretender for songs in and
you're like, holy shit, I will say three Fighters put on a big,
blockbuster stadium rock show for all its strengths and all its weaknesses. They
spend so much time fucking around like most songs they still do that. Yeah,
most songs are extended by two minutes. And it's like, that's fine
if you know you're making me wait for the last chorus of Monkey Wrench,
because I'll wait for that forever. I love that song. But if you're
making me wait for the last course of the sky is a neighborhood, I'm
checking my watch, I'm like, what are you doing? Come on?
Yeah, I suppose with this, you know, the interest round this piculary
fighters toys that they are, you know, supporting their their best record in
you know, like what nearly fifteen years or something. So I kind of
did that show in the in the show we got Rescued Me early on,
and that really that is a great like again, the crowd didn't respond to
those songs as but I did that Rescued Me fit in perfectly. I thought
Dave did an acoustic just on his own version of under You, which was
really nice, like I think that song works better as a big rocker,
but hey, I'll take that chorus in any form, And it was sort
of I expected. You get like three quarters through the set and they've not
played that much of the new record, and then you just get lots of
it. His daughter came out for I can't remember what the song is,
but the song that she sings on on the record, the first time they
did that since Glastonbury. That was really nice. They for an encore so
like they played I think it was best of you last I can't remember,
and then waited a really long time, like a weirdly long amount of time
for an encore you're usually used to like a minute or two. They weighted
ages slowly, sort of came back on stage with no fanfare and did the
Teacher in Fool and that was amazing, Like you know, obviously a big
ten minute long song and it worked so well and the sort of like swell
in the crescendo of it just hit so hard and then you're doing that into
ever long and that's how you end the set perfect. Yeah, like no
DoBeS. Well, that is what we have all been up to. But
as said, a lot of you guys would have been at Download Festival.
This is interesting expose because none of us were at Download Festival, like you
know, from the podcast team in general. So we's why we've not got
a big review episode this year. But it feels like so much has kind
of come out of Download Festival this year that there are some things worth sort
of acknowledging. And this is a bit like a again because none of us
were there. This is more like a sort of a study of the perception
of a festival from the outside, right, Like, numerically most people in
the world are not at Download Festival, what is their perception of what like
the how that weekend goes down just from what kind of emerges out of it.
And you know, I think that is interesting knowledge because we have had
you know a lot of people have come back from download and said, yeah,
it wasn't as kind of you know, it's not exactly as it has
been, you know, represented like most people had a great time, but
the kind of the perception that's built up around what happened this year again it
feels like the kind of you know, the headline way of putting it is
that you know, the most cursed download festival certainly in a number of years,
if not like ever. It's just over the course of those few days,
us here on the outside got more kind of you know, bits of
news fed to us of things just going wrong and then going wrong and then
going wrong. Then I can certainly remember, Yeah, it felt like again
like you know, the weather's one thing. You you you're almost braced to
hear like, oh, it's raining it download, and then you kind of
got dripped like, oh it's hailing it download this year, that's a step
beyond and then yeah, you know, shut up, but yeah it was
you know, you're hearing like that, and then you're hearing stages are getting
delayed and bands are having whole sets pushed back and change, not bands not
knowing when what stage they're playing, when and where at various points alongside the
Barklay situation and all other things that you often five hundred people have like shot
themselves to death from in you know, uncooked chicken or whatever it was.
Yeah, so again rapid fire, I suppose because we weren't there. We
just had to talk about again the perception from the outside things that seem to
happen of note Download Festival. The first one is you briefly mentioned they're the
Barkleay thing, which we spoke about last week, and we spoke about last
week more the kind of the controversy of it in terms of like where the
people were for or against bands kind of pulling out in those kind of circumstances
whatever. I you know, we very quickly got news obviously as dannl was
happening, that Barclays had been pulled as a sponsor from Download. Not just
I didn't think it was feasible, Like I thought, best case scenario,
they'd like not bring Barklays on for future years, right, because I just
again, I don't know exactly what goes on in terms of what the logistics
are of sponsoring or a festival and what kind of is involved, et cetera.
But I thought, you know, again, if the event is happening
and you know, I don't know money's being put into it or whatever,
surely you can't pull a sponsor like the day off. And I thought best
cause scenario, like I said that Barclays get dropped for future years, and
there's kind of a statement that is made there. But quite incredibly, they
dropped Barclay's as a sponsor right there and then, and like Dying Wish,
who were the band who said who hadn't exactly pulled out, but said we
are going to pull out if Barclays don't, you know, are aren't dropped.
Dian Whish played their set because they got their wish, and I could
just only really say, sterling work everybody. I suppose like that is what
people wanted to see happen, and it happened. It worked. Yeah,
it's a kind of like real testament to what collective action can do. I
think I saw a lot of people trying to you know, like be like
and Chkari did it because they are all the big bands about a statement of
it, and I was like, well, no, they This is where
like a broad approach of like a broad selection of approaches ideas are effective for
getting changed to happen. The band's boycotting brought attention to it. The sort
of organization bands boycott Barkley's helped, you know, drum up pressure. The
big bands who were then on the festival lineup are then sort of saying like
speaking to I'm sure the promoters, the organizers and sort of saying, do
that all of these sort of of approaches have since you come together and got
the results were after and like again, collective action it works. We can
bully corporations. Yeah. But the only thing I suppose you can go from
there is again absolutely sterling work everybody. I didn't expect it to happen quite
so swiftly and you know, kind of definitively as it did. So genuinely
brilliant stuff there. But immediately, as said, the festival was struck by
all manner of things, I guess, you know, going into the festival
before the whole Barcleay situation kind of you know, escalated most of the talk
about download was I suppose the comparatively low key trio of headliners. People were
saying, you know, it's a they clearly haven't got a Metallica or an
Iron Maiden or something of that kind of blockbuster status. A quick assessment of
I guess the performance the headliners in terms of how they seem to go down.
Queens of Stone Age I think were the first one on, and I
am going to assume that Josh Homy was patient zero of the Yorkshire Pudding Shack
or whatever it was, because got some strange reports of basically you know,
not being with it. And it makes me feel bad because I've spent the
last however long saying how incredible they are live, and I don't know whether
this is going to be some kind of mastered on system of a down type
syndrome or deaftones where you know, you see so many shows of them absolutely
fucking killing it, and then loads of people see them at one big festival
where it doesn't go their way, and this kind of reputation bitles that they
are that they're bad live even though they didn't see all the shows in between
where they crush it. It is a shame. I just thought you know,
this time last year when we were seeing the Glastonbury footage of that kind
of went sort of semi viral because it was so fucking good. It's like,
literally this time last year, the Internet could not shut up at how
amazing Queens and Sage were, And I thought, if they just turn up
and do that, then brilliant again. Apparently it wasn't so together. I
just don't know, is it the kind of is it the culture of download
festival where they're just sort of like seen as like a Redding band or something,
even though to me in my mind they're so clearly in tune with,
you know, legitimate rock music. I don't know. I have mates who
when who are big Queens of the Stone Age fans, and even they were
like, nah, Queens were diabolical. Yeah, I've heard like, you
know again not with it, and I guess you know, the thing I
always sid about Queens of stone Age is that part of the wakes are so
brilliant when they are incredible, is that it is a genuine, like organic,
real rock show, Like it's not on track, it's not majorly choreographed,
and when that produces result, it's something that you cannot achieve by being
that kind of level of you know, put together. It's that chemistry that
puts it together. But I guess occasionally you are going to get some things
where it doesn't work that way, and it is just a shame that has
happened on what is in our particular corner kind of the biggest stage. I
mean, I do think there was a case of it did feel like a
chung of downoad had it, sort of had it out for them to begin
with, because I've seen like bands put on bad shows, but you don't
then get someone creating a whole fake set list like of insults towards them,
Like I don't know, like it maybe they probably weren't bad, but it
felt it felt like a kind of combination of down the cultural thing you said
where they're an enemy reading whatever band combined with an off performance meant everyone had
it out for them. Yeah, I mean I look at the Settlers that
they played on em and that, again without the context of having seen whatever's
going on, looks absolutely incredible. Like yeah, opening run is wicked,
Like I mean the closing run, I mean, how are you gonna argue
with millionaire into no one knows into a song for the Dead to end your
like big rock thing. But again, for whatever reason, kind of the
performance like wasn't there. Like I said, you don't see all the shows
in between, you know, the ninety nine hundred shows where they're like the
best arena rock band on earth. But it's a shame that the one that
fucked up was there. Otherwise, even Sevenfold, you know, suffers from
some tech issues for what we're going to kind of get into, but otherwise
seem to go down just kind of fine. Fall Up Boy, I guess
kind of had the most sort of like Ferraw around them as a headliner,
but for a setlist which started off amazing and then just got worse and worse
as it went on because of their choice to do it in order. I
was in that sense like even though I'm not the biggest time of early fall
Up Boy, but be like you know what, the first two thirds of
that will say, give or take, I'm be a great time and then
you kind of go God, it really does just go off a cliff until
the last song then where they where they put out and a roller on towards
the end. It is h Yeah, like I get why people were probably
caught up in the moment on that one, and they probably were the best
received head on it. But I would have just once you clocked what they
were doing, I would have left. I would I would have left after
the folly of deuceduff finished. I was like, there's nothing for me here.
Yeah, And speaking about Queen's not being perceived for the download band whatever,
when you concentrate your like literal pop material in a long run like that
pushes it. God, that would have been so grim. So again,
the outside perspective obviously weren't there. We can't be official in our reporting in
this regard, but it seems like the headliners varied from kind of like apparently
off to like, you know, just fine, kind of competent did it?
And I hope that all three of those bands you know, do kind
of get continue to be booked in those sort of slotscause I think it's good
for the genre overall if those, you know, bands of that size are
allowed to headline festivals. Sure, obviously val will have no trouble and they'll
come back in that headline download in like three years or something. But yeah,
that was what was going on in terms of the higher up stuff on
the bill. It's all the other stuff that seems to have really kind of
fallen apart. So you mentioned the weather sam where it was a muddy download
rather than a less muddy download. That's not new. As you say,
I think, you know, everyone remembers kind of even if you weren't there,
like I wasn't there, but everyone remembers download twenty sixteen, the drownload
as it was called, and those videos. Twenty nineteen when I went,
did have quite a lot of you know, rain and mud and so on.
Twenty fifteen when I went, it pissed it down during slipnot and killed
the vibe of that set. Like yeah, but this year it seemed like
they there was struggles to kind of cope with the weather more than there sometimes
are, and it actually affected the logistics of the festival again, reports of
kind of you know, it basically being like you know, particularly if you're
like, for example, like a wheelchair user or something. You know,
echoes of what we heard of Slamdunk recently in terms of you know, impossibility
to get around. I guess the most relevant thing in terms of what the
knock on effect host the festival was a lot of sets got directly impacted by
it. Baby Metal had their set like cut short by the intense you know,
weather bleefing within. I think I heard kind of got something like that,
although Bliefing with them also spent part of their set fucking around with Remeshrangon
Nathan and Rob Beckett for some reason. I guess good for them, guess
look out for that one TV very strong situation. But then particularly I think
the Sunday, the Avenge Day, they then had to open the arena late
due to whatever they were doing to kind of like, you know, deal
with the mudt situation and make the arena kind of more usable. The knock
on effect is that a lot of band sets on the main stage particularly got
kind of cut short. One in particular attracted quite a lot of attention when
Code Orange who Again. I saw Jamie Morgan posted a story to his Instagram
the morning of before they had played, and it said something like, hey,
download We're on at like twelve whatever it might be, twelve, you
know, forty five, et cetera. We don't know, it keeps changing.
And I learned that and thought, oh okay. And that was again
before this whole went down, so clearly before they went into us. They
had been kind of bandied around, didn't exactly know when they were playing.
Maybe again, who know how long they thought their set was. When you
know, again before that great closing one of their set that you were talking
about seeing Sam, their sound got cut off. It seems like all hell
kind of broke lift. Yeah, I mean, I know they took a
few shots that Avenged for not wanting to cut their set lists. Yeah,
cut their set short. I like again Code Orange. They are a bound
who clearly hold themselves on very high regard and care about their art. I
don't think Avenge necessarily the ones to take the pelters on this. They are
the headliners. They could have maybe agreed to budge a little bit, I
don't know, but they shouldn't feel obliged to. I mean, the blame
should fall on poor organization planning on downloads part for not being able to like
And again, I know there's any so much you can do for the weather,
but it sounds like there was just no preparation done at any point until
it was too late, and that's why it all was delayed. So I
think that's where the kind of blame falls. But I understand codorin frustration.
I don't know if they like in the hit at the moment got caught up,
but it did kind of you know, explode out. Yeah, And
I I wish it hadn't happened in terms of I think because particularly four Code
Orange, who are a band who has we spoken about people have like really
intense opinions about I think too intense. I think if you love them,
then great thing though, like is it felt like people's reactions to what Code
Orange did was entirely dependent on their entrenched opinion it was either the coolest most
badasshit ever was like oh, there are a bunch of divas, and like
no one would budge on what they feel that it just depended on do you
like Code Orange or not? Yeah, And I think again I wish it
hadn't happened in terms of like a band who I can totally understand their frustration.
I can totally understand again, particularly maybe again it had come from the
top with a venge whatever. We don't know, but like, yeah,
you would be fucking livid. But I also I wish it hadn't happened in
terms of just for their sake, on like that larger stage in front of
that many people, many of whom may have, if not an entrenched opinion
of them, a kind of malleable opinion of them, their opinion of them
will be forming in that moment watching their set. They might not know Code
Orange are. I just wish it hadn't fallen that way where they'd kind of
you know, embarrassed themselves. And I'm not putting the blame on Code Orange
in that regard. I'm just saying that I wish it hadn't blown up in
their face publicly the way it did. Yeah, I would agree with that.
And for a band who are usually sow in control of everything, for
them to be in a situation where they can't control something, it's not a
good look on them. No, Parkway Drive was the secret set as it
turned out, which did look like a kind of a you know, a
nice victory for the festival into if you could get into the tent that was.
But then again, as we mentioned reports of heavy food poisoning instances.
When we I think it was during the festival, someone you know tweeted us
or something saying like, you know, now there's reports of you know,
food poison going around. This was like after to talk about Queens of stone
Age after talk about rain et cetera. And it felt like, oh my
god, another one, like what what now? It's when I saw on
the face down Facebook page then posting a picture of chicken they bought and the
chatty bought and the chicken was pink that it was like photo of the chicken
upset me deeply. I kept thinking about it over the course. Again it
was one of those I'm like, I'm so fucking glad I'm vegetarian, and
I like, I do not go near me anymore because god, damn,
Like that just made that made my skin crawl. Yeah, it was one
of those like, yeah, of course, of course this has happened.
Sure, why not like Curst Year? Why not? Yeah? Exactly,
more like browned load. If you are one of the five hundred or so
people affected, I'm sorry, We're not laughing at your pain, maybe a
little bit, but we do hope for the better now. Yeah, it
just it seemed like again, just like another cruel, cosmic joke in a
kind of long line of them. As said, those are just the negative
headlines stemming out of the event being you know, reaching people who are not
there. So I do acknowledge that that's not necessary like those are, particularly
the poop food pointing thing. Obviously, those are things that should not happen
at first of us like this, and it does paint a negative picture,
but I also acknowledge that's not the whole picture. And you know, a
lot of successes seem to go down at download as well. I just again,
I hope that this time next year, even if again we're not there,
I just hope that the reports are a little bit nicer, a little
bit more positive, because it just seemed like a real like again, a
kind of the gods played a joke on download this and it's a it's unfortunate
when they do that. But as said the Barklay situation, that is a
great turnout and a you know, one great success come out of it.
At least. Otherwise, news this week is pretty light. We're gonna skim
through the rest of it. New music, I know there is a new
ghost song. We're gonna leave that until, you know, with at least
me and you Sam are seeing the movie this weekend. As we'll discuss that
a little bit when we come back next week. And you know, that's
that's part of that which leaves us, But the only song of fucking note
would be released this week is the return of my couple co romance's greatest imitators,
Kids in Glass Houses have come back with their first song since those dark,
dark days when they were an active band, Diamond the Diamond Days.
I can't even bring that song to mine right now. I am sack with.
I am sack with two people who this kind of is relevant for.
So you know, in brief, are you excited about the new Kids and
Glasshouses music? I mean, I'm surprised you don't like this song parent.
It's basically a kylie Ve Jebson song. I did hear the again. I
heard the eighties of it. I got really excited because I watched the music
video and it's kind of got this like stick of being like a seventies late
night TV show or something. And the opening theme with the trumpet, I
was, oh, cool, that's a cool way to start the song,
and I just realized it's just the music video and the rest of it was
just it's just kind of you know, it's yeah, it's it's like an
eighties neon pop thing, which I'm not technically adverse to. But I did
think it was just kind of a beige, boring example of that. You're
just saying that because it's Kids in Glass Houses and you can't let go of
your own hatred. The worst song I've ever heard, it's just kind of
an unexceptional one. I'll take it. The thing is is Kids of Us
Houses have always had that eighties influence. Even when you go back to Smart
Casual, you know, anyone's saying it's a copy of the ninety seventy five,
they were doing it before the nineteen seventy five, shut up. Yeah.
But I have also then seen people say that the nineteen seventy five like
took their inspiracher from Kids of Glass Houses, and that seems absolutely fucking comical
to me. As a concept, Kids of Us Houses were, you know,
on a rapid ascent at one point in time. I don't think seventy
five are like, Yeah, those Kids of Glass Houses, they've got a
good thing going on. It's not the same series, but you know,
this is just kind of a more symphy version of what Kids of Us House
has always done. I really like it. It's got a nice chorus.
I'm excited for this album. Yeah, it's like it's got one foot in
nostalgia in that it's doing the thing kids in Glasshouses did from the start of
their career, which is sort of a day Louis eighties influenced pop rock song,
but the production is bigger, the songwriting is more mature. It feels
like, well, it feels like what it is, which is the kids
who wrote Smart Casual grown up into adults. And I think I think it's
a catchy tune as well. I mean, like again like not to be
like Downe with the face, but I think it's the best thing that any
of like the sort of ilk of twenty tens britrock bands have done in a
long time. It's like the k Erasia I liked. I would still probably
take this over most of truth. And that was the comeback of the decade.
Oh my god, it was. It was the come back of the
decade in the way I can't escape from it, like and this is this
is, you know, maybe a bigger comeback. We like, we may
be losing you me at six next year, but we're regaining kidding us hours
on fine form, so I'll take the trade. Yeah, we just need
to wait until the Blackout restart. The party that's when we know who the
dadis are. Yeah, I thought it was a bit boring and you know,
generally not much to do with what we kind of do here, but
I guess that that's out in the world. June Rats have also announced that
they have got a new album which is going to be out on August the
ninth. It's called If It Sucks Turn It Up. So if you're listening
to the new Kids and Glasshouses tune, you know what to do. Quite
exciting. Health have announced a UK and Ireland headline tour. Health that feel
like it's been around in the UK live like a lot in the last couple
of years. I mean I saw them not too long ago, but a
lot of those have been like support spots or festivals and things. So I'm
sure that again, if you are one of the people who like, really
like super went hard on the Rat Wars album, as we were speaking recently
a lot of people did, then I'm sure that a headline tour is exciting
for you. And they have got a ghost not you know, the big
one, the synth Wave one and eternal support band Zetra, which you could
have like predicted them My are on there, which is a very you know
synthy Bill, isn't it that's happening in October? And finally we are arrive
at our sort of semi regularly scheduled programming. Sam has to explain to me
what's going on in terms of wrestling beef because this is the only contest I
have for this is the insane clown Posse tweet. I don't know anything else
about it. Why are insane clown Posse absolutely livid at Cmpunk? And why
does the sentence I shared my bank account with my mum before she passed,
you little insensitive bitch, has have to do with CM Punk. I'll be
honest, we have not got time for me to explain. This is like
years and knew of drama in the wrestling That is just like essentially seeing Punk's
former friend Cockbanna, who they had a falling out seeing Punk paid for his
legal fees when they were suing WWE, and then but Alvios found that he
seeing Punk had a cochormana had bankcount his mum or something that so he could
have paid it himself, and so Punk I was scammed. Punk had a
meltdown at a wrestling show, got himself fired and just like, honestly this
is like, oh wait, so I'm it does this not directly involved in
saying clown possy, but it's insane clown possy taking offense to something that Punk
had suggested about someone else. Yes, I also think I think that they
they but like I said that you want to shake our hands in TNA,
little Bitch means that he's disrespected them in the past and they've now just decided,
like all this anger at CM Punk over the years has built up less
let it all out, just wild beef. I have no I like I
was reading this going like, oh, this is incredible, this is the
most bizarre whatever. I love it so but the picture you painted here is
that this is like violent Jay basically sat on his like sofa watching whatever wrestling
show. This is being absolutely incensed, picking up his phone going straight to
the main insane calm'possy Twitter account. I think he watched the WWE show Class
at the Castle and watched the Impunk screw over the Nation of Scotland and then
we haven't got time to go to wrestling. Law, I won't do it.
Yeah, he's our champion. Yeah we do with all that. Yeah,
Okay, there you go. Let us let us sorry quickly inform you
about what we have put over on the TNN Patreon this week, and boy
have we got stuff waiting for you over there, because we a few days
ago, as promised, we recorded the whole second kind of part of the
Sepultura full you know, Cavalier Years special that we were doing. We a
few weeks ago did all of their kind of you know, their origins,
their Thrash years, all the way up to the Arise record. I thought,
in terms of again the you know, the amount of albums that they
produced in those particular years, I was like, cool, we've done the
first four Roots and Kosad and that they're kind of big albums with big stories,
and then we'll have the kind of fallout of it. We'll put those
in a in a second part. We had a recording session and there would
turned out to be so much law, particularly around the Pruts album. My
God, that it went so big and so like you know, drilling layer
upon layer upon layer of that. So we've ended up chopping that into smaller
parts, as people kind of suggested, is the more digestible way of kind
of approaching it, So right, now as we speak on the TNN Patreon
you can find the what has formed into the second part, which is a
couple of hours on the Kosa D album and also the Mats Cavalierra industrial side
projects supergroup in those years. Nail Bomb, that album I thought was really
particularly kind of cool and fresh to talk about because I feel like people know
about nail Bomb, but might it doesn't always get you know, heavy discussion,
really fucking cool. Kosa D obviously no slouch either, but also you
know, by the time that we come here, you know, next week
for another one of these, I will also have put up the second part
of that particular conversation, which does have the most like again epic uh,
you know, drilling into layer up on layer, As I said, chat
around any album we have ever done on these specials, maybe we'll ever do
in terms of like everything that goes into the creation of an album like roots
and the discussion around it that we've ever had on these specials, so more
than ratitude, maybe a little like for now make you know there there dumb
nu metal sellout album. There's a fark load going on there, and I'm
like saying, yeah, longest the things we've ever done on a single album.
It was, it was ends, it was there was so much,
like, so many threads to pull on Part one, Part two techically the
Kosad novel chat that that to me is just like this music fucking rocks and
anyone who doesn't like this an idiot like so good. But yeah, it
was. It was two parts for this is thing in too, probably a
bit more digestible. Yes, So as said, right now you can find
part two of Cept, a special on Kosad and nail Bomb and you know
first Thing. Next week there will also be part three featuring the you know,
the the end of that story, the epilogue. Everything will also be
awaiting you, and then we'll figure out what to do next over there.
So thank you very much to everybody who goes and checks that out and you
know, gives us your support to help us kind of stay afloat is massively
appreciated and take us home. Let us talk about the releases on this Friday.
We start with I guess with what has been a kind of fairly long.
It's been a good like six years or so, I think the last
record the story so far back with I Want to Disappear Elsewhere. We also
have Again, this is kind of the upper levels of like you know,
kind of you know, just numbers and that kind of thing of what we
do these kind of in these release round ups. Wage War have got their
new record, Stigma, and I don't know, I just want to sort
of touch base on this because wage War, I feel like, in the
last couple of years have kind of become our like go to name drop example
of the kind of metalcore that we like to avoid, I suppose, And
I don't know when it happened, because like wage War, like I remember
like one of their albums coming out in like twenty seventeen or eighteen or something
and feeling like, oh, yeah, this is like the kind of metal
corp I don't like. And then I looked away for I guess five years,
and they've suddenly got like five or six albums and they're fucking massive.
When did that happen? I mean, they are just us that they are
the sort of octane core US metalcore whatever you again, Like they are like
the post Children for that alongside I Prevail and it's just like, yeah,
you know, everything we did like about the the choices the Ghost in Side
made it is in the vein of what Wage War do. So yeah,
I'm just trying to pinpoint when it like blew up, because I guess that's
what these bands do. They they kind of you know, they appear and
then they just get inexplicably massive because they're in that kind of sphere. But
I did just I feel like I I glanced away and then suddenly Waged War
but like leaders of the Pack, and which one of widge War, I
don't know, a Christian, I can't remember. I feel like I feel
so out of the loop on like that side of metal core that you saying,
Oh, Wage War are really big. I'm like, what They're just
kind of what the amity flaring America in it like Middle America. Yeah,
anyway, But they have got album out elsewhere. We've got the return of
Kitty with their first album in an Affair all While, which I know that
you know, has been kind of a story in certain parts. That record
is called fire band that we love quite a lot. Alcest I've got their
new album out, leschan de la Rore, the new album from the you
know, kind of arguable inventors of black Gays. I'm sure a lot of
you guys are going to be wanting on checking that out. Even if you've
never heard al Sist before, you should go and check it out. Speaking
of returns, earth Tone nine are back with kind of the comeback album after
their comeback album. I suppose it's like they came back and then like waiting
INNDO the ten years and then they got another comeback album. But again,
you know, cult band of a kind of certain era in the UK go
into more kind of ferocious realms of kind of metal core and hardcore. There's
a band called Foreign Hands who's got an album called What's Left Unsaid? Sam.
I know that you were kind of spinning this earlier as this falling in
the realms of like you know, the metal core that you do like per
se. Yeah, it's very mid noughties throwback metal core, like not no
real kind of other gimmicks to it. It's just as straight down the line
as that sort of thing gets. But I like that. I had fun
listening to it. If you're into that, definitely give it a spin.
Sure. And there is also in kind of much more again absolutely bruising,
you know, a bullheaded hardcore out on Church Road Records as cal Sign with
Common Love, Common nausea. Mark, I'm gonna throw to a band.
You have some kind of history with the Dangerous Summer. Have got a record
out today called Gravity and Mark again you know some context here, Mark,
historically, do you still like this band? I know that you were a
big fan of this band, and then I feel like somewhere along the line
they sort of turned into a bit of a punchline. Yeah, so early
twenty ten's big fan. They broke up for a few years, came back
in twenty eighteen, and similarly just pump out material, most of which isn't
great. So the first sort of like year or two of that comeback,
I was well, and because it was mostly they mostly had songs I enjoyed.
And now the Dangerous Summer catalog is murky and I don't know what half
of those songs are. Vast and murky. Well, there's more of them
for you to check out today. Then we flip over into the nasty underground
spheres. We start with Sumac the Healer. This is the band that features
you know, Aaron Turner formerly of Iss, Brian Cook formerly of Russian Circles,
and I guess formerly of Botch Again. Now Boch played their last show
very recently, so they are once again no longer a band, but much
more you know, kind of long form, kind of exhausting, experimental fair
to properly melt your head with from Sumac heavy metal. If you want some
you know, proper like King Diamond Ish heavy metal Portrait with the Host death
Metal are very good at this, stay dependable, underground kind of ol school
death metal band Hyperdontcha. I've got a record called Harvest of Malevolence heading over
to Norway the band called Saka with Endo Fate, which includes a nocturnal colto
of dart Throne on vocals, but they're much kind of proggier. They're a
bit more of close to Enslaved and those kind of bands. There's also,
if you want some kind of more sort of straightforward black metal, there's a
bang called Cavane with the Formless Fires. Speaking about our sepulcher a special,
today is the day the Cavaliera Brothers Cavallero Conspiracy, whatever that name they're currently
going by, have released their re recorded version of the Schizophrenia album, which
again, having heard this now, I do kind of feel, as we
kind of suggested on our special that it's a bit less necessary than the morbivisions
and Best with Devastation one were. But there is like an extra kind of
newer track on there as those versions included, and that's nice to hear more
kind of you know, sepulcher ish material from those guys. And on the
EP front, Blackveld Brides, I've got one called Bleeders, which I suppose
you know, if you are going along to the Creeper blackvel Brides Wembley,
you know co headliner, maybe you want to get yourself acquainted with what Blackfire
Brides might be buying. So that's an EP out now and that is us,
So thank you very much for listening. As said, the last couple
of hyperblasts have been like properly dominated by We have been busy. We have
been skitting around to all sorts of shows and events and business that does not
stop stop because Outbreak is coming up and Zion will be there. However next
week, yeah yeah, however before then, you know, this time,
as we arrive into next week's show, we of course have a review show
for you. And on the reviews front, you know, the last time
we did one was like a couple of days after bringing the Horizon a surprise
dropped an album and we didn't have time to fit it in and all that.
And I know that it's like a month after it's released now, but
we are going to actually talk about what we think. Of course, we
are the new Bring Me the Horizon album, the next gen post human release
elsewhere that Story So Far album that just came out is in there. We've
got some really good, you know, underground nasty stuff, you know,
non T and M stuff. We've got some like almost hip hop kind of
in there. Yeah, we do. So this time next week we'll be
back. We'll all of that and we hope you join us for it kind
of what it is that you are enjoying about those particular records. So we'll
see you there for that hope. If anyone is listening, who you know
ate the Cursed food at download, we hope you're recovering well and things you
are a little bit more swimmingly for you in future. So there you go,
Bye bye,