At six pm as the sun was setting. I could not believe the fall
coming off the Ohio River was like some movie. It was a zombie land.
It was awful and it continues through this afternoon in many parts of the
tri State. But more importantly, Rob Sanders has had a rather eventful several
weeks. First of all, last week there was a guy named Timothy Delahunty,
thirty six years old, which simply called police and wanted to confess to
the murder of Paul Clayton and Ellesmere in December of six when he was I
guess eighteen years old. Then you had the two year old that was shot
and killed and the US Marshalls were looking for the mother. We may break
some news on that one. Plus Latonia is like gun smoke in front of
the Long Branch. You got seventeen and fourteen year olds. The fourteen year
olds are like in the eighth grade, having like a shootout of one type
or another. But Rob Sanders, welcome to the ken Brew Show. How
are we looking, Willie? I feel like I'm in zombie land. Sometimes
that's pretty accurate description. See, you must have been looking at Covington all
the way from Columbia Parkway. Yeah, it's just been shenanigans here since about
the week before Christmas is when all hell started to break loose. And you
know, it's kind of like a roller coaster this job. Sometimes Nick comes
and goes, you know, the crime wave. It seems to be just
that it comes in waves, and then we'll have a law for a while,
sometimes as I don't talk about anymore, for an entire year. But
we're not in that kind of a law anymore. In fact, I hope
we are at our peak right now because it has been a circus here for
the last few weeks. As you mentioned, We've had old murders being solved,
We've had new murders being committed. We've had a two year old shot
and killed with an unsecured gun. The good news in that case is that
the mother who, as you may recall, decided to skip down before the
police fire trucks even got there to assist her two year old who had been
shot. Before they even arrived on the scene, she had skipped out and
gone on the run because she knew she had a warrant out for violating her
probation. I can tell you in terms of breaking news that the US Marshals
apprehended Selena Ferrell this afternoon in Boone County, Kentucky, hiding out at a
motel, and hopefully sometime here soon we will have her lodged, cuffed and
stuffed and locked in the Kenton County Detention Center where she belongs, and give
Covington police detectives a chance to talk to her about how her two year old
came to be shot. Well, do we know any of the facts.
Of course, when someone ascowns the jurisdiction closely connected to the deceit and sadly
a two year old toddler, you not necessarily assume a person that's fled is
involved in the shooting. Is that the case with Selena Ferrell? So far,
we don't believe Ferrell. And you know, when we put out the
fact that we were looking for miss Ferrell because she had skipped the scene,
despite the fact that her two year old was dying right there in her own
home. When we put out that we were looking for we wanted to be
very clear that she was not a suspect in the homicide of her child.
We have no indication at this point that she was the one who pulled the
trigger the gun. Obviously, what detectives are investigating is who pulled the trigger
and how did they get the gun in the first place. So Miss Farrell,
I believe, is the last witness that they need to talk to,
or at least to my knowledge, the last witness they need to talk to,
and hopefully they'll be able to fill the public in on what we believe
happened there to cause that two year old's death sometime in the upcoming days,
once they've talked to all the witnesses, including miss Farrell. Now you're a
father, I'm a father. I can't imagine leaving your dying two year old
to abscound But that's kind of mother, Selina Farrell. As Secondly, last
week it was one of these cold cases. Timothy Delahunty, who's thirty six
years old, I guess, called police and said I have something to tell
you about Paul Clayton who was murdered in Ellesmere stab wounds in December of six,
almost like seven years ago. Plus how unusual was it that this cold
case was resolved with a confession from Timothy della Haunty. Well, I got
to tell you, Willie, I got a call from a Covington Police patrol
sergeant who called dispatch and said, I need you to get Rob Sanders on
the phone, and don't give me any of his assistants. I need to
talk to Rob because only he's going to know about this case. That's how
old this case is. You're prelude there was almost accurate. Mister Dala Haunty
is not the one that called police. However, he was at Saint Elizabeth
Hospital here in Covington and decided that he was going to exit their facility against
medical advice while he still had some of their medical equipment attached to his arm.
So, needless to say, they called police because they're like, you
know, you need to come back here with our stuff and at least let
us remove it before you walk out of the hospital. And so the Covington
police went to fetch him and return their equipment to him and lo and behold.
While they were dealing with mister Dayla Haunty, he said, yeah,
I want to talk to you about it. Murder I committed, you know,
some eighteen years ago. This murder was actually predates my tenure as the
Kama Walth attorney. It happened while I was still in private practice before I
was sworn into office, but I've worked with the Elsmere Police detectives on the
case over the years. Mister Dala Haunty was caught or at least observed,
I should say, sometime later, shortly after the murder of Paul Clayton,
mister Dala Haunty was found driving his automobile on Off the top of my head,
I can't remember what kind of car was. It's bugging me now,
but anyway, he was driving mister Clayton's automobile, which friends and neighbors had
reported the police went missing around the same time that mister Clayton was killed,
and mister Dala Haunty was always the suspect in that murder. However, detectives
at the time just couldn't put enough together to just sustain a conviction on mister
Dala Haunty, so he remained free, at least on the murder charge.
Now, he's been arrested and convicted several other things in the meantime, and
hadn't been out of prison that long when he ended up at Saint Elizabeth Hospital.
So I don't know if you just miss prison wanted to go back,
or what the situation was Willie, or whether he had an enlightened moment or
a break in his conscience just couldn't take it anymore. Don't know, don't
know what the circumstances were, but needless to say, when I got the
call from the Covington Police sergeant, I was more than happy to call it
Ellesmere Police detectives and say, hurry down to Covington and talk to mister Dala
Haunty and see what he has to say about this murder that apparently he's already
told the Covington police he committed, so they did. I have been in
trial all week, so unfortunately I haven't had a chance to observe that interview
just yet. But just judging by what's written in the arrest citation, it
sounds like mister Dala Haunty came clean and I trust that we will have him
in front of the grand jury here in short order. It was a ninety
six Ford Thunderbird he was driving around. What was the motivation? Was it
a burglary gone bad? Was it a workman that came to the house.
Ho was Timothy Della haunting and something happened and he stabbed Paul Clayton to death.
You know the motivation for this, not yet. I'm hoping that that's
part of the explanation he gave detectives. But like I said, I haven't
had a chance because of this trial all week, which by the way,
I won. We convicted another repeat felon. He's now into the double digits.
Fellow by the name of Virgil Evans committed his tenth felony, and this
time the jury said enough is enough. Burglary first degree, persistent felony offender
first degree. They wobbed him with the twenty five year prison sentence. But
that's what's been taking up my time this week. So I haven't had a
chance to see mister Della Haunty's interview. But I suspect that we will hopefully
get him through a preliminary hearing here soon, Willie. It's been delayed a
couple of times because apparently he refused to exit his jail cell and come to
court. I didn't know that was an option. I always thought that if
you were in jail and you refuse to do what they tell you, that
they escorted you from your cell to the court room. And we're not even
talking about bringing him to the courthouse, just the video courtroom out at the
jail where they appear on close circuit television at our courthouse. But he refused
to come out of his cell, and so they delayed his arraignment a couple
times. But I believe they went ahead finally and arranged him without bringing him
to the court room, the video court room, and they went ahead and
set a preliminary hearing next week. It will be interesting to see whether mister
de la Haunt he chooses to show up or Alex to come to court,
or Alex to stay in his jail cell. And again, I guess these
days we're talking about kinder, gentler jails all across the country. You know,
prison's not exactly the same prison it used to be, sometimes for good,
sometimes for bad. But nevertheless, it will be interesting to see if
he shows up in court. Let's talk about the Latonia case. Seventeen year
old name not available yet, although I'm sure he's going to be tried and
fell in the adult court shot two fourteen year olds. I think they were
eighth graders. Some sort of bullying or some sort of dispute. Guns were
everywhere. What can you tell us about the gun playing Latonia with these teenagers.
I can't tell you a whole lot because this all went on while I
was finishing up trial. Actually, I take this back. This went on
two days ago when I was in the middle of trial, but it was
during the day. It was right about the time these kids were getting out
of school, should have been going home to do their homework. And I
don't know all the details just yet, except that we have teenagers that are
dead from gunshot wounds. We have other teenagers running around town with guns.
I don't you know. It's really really frustrating the juvenile justice system in Kentucky,
and I'm sure we share this problem with a lot of other states that
we have gotten so soft on juvenile crime that juvenile court's a joke. I
mean, you arrest teens with guns and you can't do anything to them,
and they just get either probated to their parent or probated to some social worker,
and they never go to jail, they never really get punished, and
they just get out and go do it again. And they know this,
so they keep committing these crimes and it's not until somebody dies that they get
transferred to adult court, and we have to put them in prison like a
grown up. And it's really unfortunate. You know, if we intervened,
if the justice system actually punished these kids and made them think twice about committing
crime, and you make a decision like I don't want to go back there
again, so I'm not going to keep carrying a gun around town, and
I'm certainly not going to shoot somebody. No, we just keep slapping them
on the wrist, and they keep coming back and coming back, committing more
crime, commit more crime, till eventually somebody dies. And then when that
happens, they become my problem. And then by then, not only have
they taken a life, but they wreck their own life because they're probably gonna
end up in prison for a good long time. And that's just it's horrible.
It's a horrible system. Sooner or later, I'm hoping Frankfurt gets tired
of reading about dead teenagers and teenagers going to adult prisons, because we have
to have more punishment in the juveniles justice system than what we have right now,
because right now it's a joke and it doesn't deter anything at all.
Oh in Hamliny County juvenile court system is a joke, because there's one judge
there of the two that refuses to put a black mail up North to youth
correction because of reparations and racism, and she refuses to hold accountable those who
commit serious crimes. If you're a sixteen or seventeen year old you're rolling around
with guns and you're shooting people, and you're robbing people and you're beating people,
that's an indication of what lies ahead. He's not going to become suddenly
a Rhodes scholar. This seventeen year old who murdered a fourteen year old,
he thinks for justifiable reasons, I'm sure, and shot the other fourteen year
old girl probably had been involved in criminal justice before. I'm sure Virgil Edwards
was again an individual had been for a long time in juvenile justice, like
Timothy Delahunty and you got him fourteen, fifteen sixteen. Seemingly Timothy when he
was seventeen or eighteen years old, was brutally stabbing to death Paul Clayton and
Elsmere rolling around in his ninety six fourty bird, and justice has been delayed
about eighteen years. It'll be ser ultimately. But if some kid is involved
in this lifestyle, which is a very small numb and a small percentage.
They need to be dealt with harshly to stop future murders from taking place.
In Hamilton County. Last year there was twenty juveniles that were shot and there
were about fourteen that were killed. And that's the tip of the iceberg.
We have drive by shootings all the time, and one apprehend it if you're
a certain gender and color. And juvenile court and Hamilton County we have a
judge there that won't send you to adult court. Talk to Melissa Powers.
They're thinking about proceeding in some legal fashion against this judge who will not refer
cases to adult court. And if it doesn't get referred to adult court by
the juvenile court system, there's no mechanism for the prosecutor's office to reach in
a juvenile court and pull that kid out. And so fortunately we don't have
quite that same issue. Really are problem as the laws. You know,
hopefully the voters of Hamilton County will wise up and stick that problem the next
time that judges up for re election. I don't even know who that judge
is over there, but I don't have that problem with my judges, my
district court judges that here juvenile crime are great and they hate you now crime,
they hate adult crime, they hate crime altogether. There's some law and
order type judges, you know, my kind of judges. But their problem
is is that Kentucky legislators have handcuffed them. We have got you know,
back. We're in a totally different era now, Willie. This is the
first time in the eighteen years now that I've become a wealth attorney, the
first time the wins of the legislature are at my back and you know,
somebody advocating on behalf of victims of crime and law and order in Frankfurt.
This is the first session maybe last year, but the first time in my
career that legislators have been wanting to get tough on crime finally and do something
to keep innocent civilians from being victims of crime. But for the last i
don't know, sixteen seventeen years prior to this, the legislature has been getting
soft and Republicans have nobody to blame but ourselves, because we're sending these legislators
down there that wanted to show how virtuous they are, and because they were
getting softer and softer on crime general, but especially juvenile crime. And they've
watered down juvenile crime laws so much that my district court judges, who are
good judges, don't have the option. The law doesn't allow them to incarcerate
the juveniles for darn near or anything. Well, it's like until they commit
a crime so heinous like murder to get them transferred to adult court, they
don't have anything to do with them down there, because Kentucky law rarely allows
us to incarcerate a juvenile and it's a disservice to the public, and it's
a disservice to the juvenile criminal as well, because they're not getting taught a
lesson. What they're being taught is you barely get a slap on the wrist
at most, and then you'll be back out on the street doing whatever you
want to do, carrying guns, dealing drugs, committing crime. Have at
it until you turn eighteen and got it to go deal with Rob Sanders and
his prosecutors. You can do whatever you want and come at of Kentucky.
And it's a harsh wake up call when they get carried away or go too
far across that line. Actually kill somebody. Now all of a sudden,
they're going to prison for a long long time, and they're like, hey,
wait, when was this. I thought I'm on twuvnile. I just
get a slap on the wrist and nope. Now now you cross the line.
Now you're into adult court and we're playing for real sentences and real decades
in prison, and your life is pretty much over, just like the kid
that you shot. I see it all the time in larger cities where gangs
will solicit thirteen, fourteen, fifteen year olds to carjack, commit crimes,
sell drugs, and do shootings, knowing that if you're in Chicago, Los
Angeles, Portland, at Cincinnati, maybe not Covington, not much happens.
Recruit the young ones. By the time they're eighteen, they're so hard and
they're in the gang lifestyle. Their life's going to be caught. More victims
going to be laying at their feet. And somehow we have this notion that
if you're fourteen or fifteen or sixteen, you really can't be held accountable for
serious fellow the actions because your brain hasn't developed until you're like twenty five years
old if you're a male. But if these individuals is seventeen year old,
and I guess others in the Latonia area, and then there's going to be
a retribution that is going to be revenge taken. We have it all the
time in Cincinnati where gang upon gang upon gang do the drive bys and they
have to respond. But they recruit the teenagers for obvious reasons. It's because
juvenile court system want to treat them as if they're shoplifting candy bars, when
in fact these are hardened criminals. I have to be dealt as such.
And I know in Hamlety County it doesn't happen. I guess it doesn't happen
in northern Kentucky either, because of the law. We have the laws present.
But when you have a judges that won't refer juvenile cases over because have
passed wrongs against persons of that same color, you have nothing but mayhem.
And right now on the streets of Cincinnati, we have a higher murder rate
and shot rate victims than the city of Chicago and some's and it's ongoing.
It's not stopping. Yeah, you know, Willie, what's really a tragedy
in all this is, in my experience, it's actually fairly rare that the
victim of a murder is of a different race. I mean, it happens,
but just not very often, that the victim of a murder is a
different race than the criminal that killed them, than the murderer. So if
you you know, if you're talking about minorities that are whether it be Hispanic
or African American, or mixed race, or any other minority that you might
imagine, chances are the victim of that crime is that same skin color.
And it's certainly not fair to the victim of crime that the murderer get off
scott free, or get off with the slap on the wrist, or be
kept in juvenile court when they ought to be transferred to adult court. How
does that help the victim who's the same minority is the criminal. It's doubling
down on bad policy and failed logic. Well, with your permission, let's
talk further in these cases later on. Good luck, congratulations on Commonwealth versus
Virgil Edwards, and Selena Ferrell's coming up, and the seventeen year old's coming
up, and you've got Timothy Delahanty coming up. You'll be busy for the
rest of this year. And Rob Sanders, thank you. For coming on
the Bill Cunningham Show. Good luck and keep getting those convictions. Thank you,
I appreciate it. This is going to set up well for being your
number one guest on the show. Again. I've never had this many homicide
cases pending in my office at this time in my career, so weird an
all time high. But that just means we'll have lots to talk about and
I look forward to it. Thanks for having me on. God bless the
Commonwealth. All right, let's continue with more coming up later. Allegedly,
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