WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:03.560 At six pm as the sun was setting. I could not believe the fall 2 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:07.599 coming off the Ohio River was like some movie. It was a zombie land. 3 00:00:07.599 --> 00:00:10.400 It was awful and it continues through this afternoon in many parts of the 4 00:00:10.439 --> 00:00:15.480 tri State. But more importantly, Rob Sanders has had a rather eventful several 5 00:00:15.519 --> 00:00:19.600 weeks. First of all, last week there was a guy named Timothy Delahunty, 6 00:00:20.039 --> 00:00:23.960 thirty six years old, which simply called police and wanted to confess to 7 00:00:24.000 --> 00:00:28.640 the murder of Paul Clayton and Ellesmere in December of six when he was I 8 00:00:28.640 --> 00:00:32.039 guess eighteen years old. Then you had the two year old that was shot 9 00:00:32.079 --> 00:00:35.799 and killed and the US Marshalls were looking for the mother. We may break 10 00:00:35.840 --> 00:00:39.520 some news on that one. Plus Latonia is like gun smoke in front of 11 00:00:39.520 --> 00:00:43.000 the Long Branch. You got seventeen and fourteen year olds. The fourteen year 12 00:00:43.039 --> 00:00:46.200 olds are like in the eighth grade, having like a shootout of one type 13 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:49.759 or another. But Rob Sanders, welcome to the ken Brew Show. How 14 00:00:49.759 --> 00:00:53.920 are we looking, Willie? I feel like I'm in zombie land. Sometimes 15 00:00:53.920 --> 00:00:57.159 that's pretty accurate description. See, you must have been looking at Covington all 16 00:00:57.159 --> 00:01:02.880 the way from Columbia Parkway. Yeah, it's just been shenanigans here since about 17 00:01:03.039 --> 00:01:07.439 the week before Christmas is when all hell started to break loose. And you 18 00:01:07.439 --> 00:01:10.879 know, it's kind of like a roller coaster this job. Sometimes Nick comes 19 00:01:10.920 --> 00:01:14.480 and goes, you know, the crime wave. It seems to be just 20 00:01:14.560 --> 00:01:17.079 that it comes in waves, and then we'll have a law for a while, 21 00:01:17.200 --> 00:01:21.920 sometimes as I don't talk about anymore, for an entire year. But 22 00:01:21.959 --> 00:01:23.760 we're not in that kind of a law anymore. In fact, I hope 23 00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:29.200 we are at our peak right now because it has been a circus here for 24 00:01:29.239 --> 00:01:34.680 the last few weeks. As you mentioned, We've had old murders being solved, 25 00:01:34.719 --> 00:01:38.400 We've had new murders being committed. We've had a two year old shot 26 00:01:38.439 --> 00:01:42.640 and killed with an unsecured gun. The good news in that case is that 27 00:01:42.760 --> 00:01:47.719 the mother who, as you may recall, decided to skip down before the 28 00:01:47.760 --> 00:01:52.920 police fire trucks even got there to assist her two year old who had been 29 00:01:52.959 --> 00:01:57.560 shot. Before they even arrived on the scene, she had skipped out and 30 00:01:57.640 --> 00:02:00.879 gone on the run because she knew she had a warrant out for violating her 31 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:05.400 probation. I can tell you in terms of breaking news that the US Marshals 32 00:02:05.480 --> 00:02:10.400 apprehended Selena Ferrell this afternoon in Boone County, Kentucky, hiding out at a 33 00:02:10.439 --> 00:02:17.639 motel, and hopefully sometime here soon we will have her lodged, cuffed and 34 00:02:17.680 --> 00:02:22.360 stuffed and locked in the Kenton County Detention Center where she belongs, and give 35 00:02:22.520 --> 00:02:27.439 Covington police detectives a chance to talk to her about how her two year old 36 00:02:27.479 --> 00:02:29.919 came to be shot. Well, do we know any of the facts. 37 00:02:29.960 --> 00:02:35.319 Of course, when someone ascowns the jurisdiction closely connected to the deceit and sadly 38 00:02:35.360 --> 00:02:38.400 a two year old toddler, you not necessarily assume a person that's fled is 39 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:44.479 involved in the shooting. Is that the case with Selena Ferrell? So far, 40 00:02:44.560 --> 00:02:46.319 we don't believe Ferrell. And you know, when we put out the 41 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:50.639 fact that we were looking for miss Ferrell because she had skipped the scene, 42 00:02:51.479 --> 00:02:53.400 despite the fact that her two year old was dying right there in her own 43 00:02:53.439 --> 00:02:59.159 home. When we put out that we were looking for we wanted to be 44 00:02:59.280 --> 00:03:01.840 very clear that she was not a suspect in the homicide of her child. 45 00:03:01.879 --> 00:03:05.840 We have no indication at this point that she was the one who pulled the 46 00:03:05.840 --> 00:03:09.719 trigger the gun. Obviously, what detectives are investigating is who pulled the trigger 47 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:14.800 and how did they get the gun in the first place. So Miss Farrell, 48 00:03:14.879 --> 00:03:16.360 I believe, is the last witness that they need to talk to, 49 00:03:16.439 --> 00:03:20.560 or at least to my knowledge, the last witness they need to talk to, 50 00:03:20.639 --> 00:03:24.280 and hopefully they'll be able to fill the public in on what we believe 51 00:03:24.400 --> 00:03:30.000 happened there to cause that two year old's death sometime in the upcoming days, 52 00:03:30.039 --> 00:03:34.400 once they've talked to all the witnesses, including miss Farrell. Now you're a 53 00:03:34.439 --> 00:03:38.240 father, I'm a father. I can't imagine leaving your dying two year old 54 00:03:38.599 --> 00:03:43.159 to abscound But that's kind of mother, Selina Farrell. As Secondly, last 55 00:03:43.199 --> 00:03:46.680 week it was one of these cold cases. Timothy Delahunty, who's thirty six 56 00:03:46.759 --> 00:03:51.560 years old, I guess, called police and said I have something to tell 57 00:03:51.599 --> 00:03:58.120 you about Paul Clayton who was murdered in Ellesmere stab wounds in December of six, 58 00:03:58.680 --> 00:04:03.240 almost like seven years ago. Plus how unusual was it that this cold 59 00:04:03.280 --> 00:04:09.199 case was resolved with a confession from Timothy della Haunty. Well, I got 60 00:04:09.240 --> 00:04:12.680 to tell you, Willie, I got a call from a Covington Police patrol 61 00:04:12.759 --> 00:04:15.160 sergeant who called dispatch and said, I need you to get Rob Sanders on 62 00:04:15.199 --> 00:04:18.040 the phone, and don't give me any of his assistants. I need to 63 00:04:18.040 --> 00:04:21.040 talk to Rob because only he's going to know about this case. That's how 64 00:04:21.079 --> 00:04:28.160 old this case is. You're prelude there was almost accurate. Mister Dala Haunty 65 00:04:28.360 --> 00:04:31.519 is not the one that called police. However, he was at Saint Elizabeth 66 00:04:31.519 --> 00:04:36.040 Hospital here in Covington and decided that he was going to exit their facility against 67 00:04:36.120 --> 00:04:41.600 medical advice while he still had some of their medical equipment attached to his arm. 68 00:04:42.519 --> 00:04:45.199 So, needless to say, they called police because they're like, you 69 00:04:45.240 --> 00:04:46.959 know, you need to come back here with our stuff and at least let 70 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:50.839 us remove it before you walk out of the hospital. And so the Covington 71 00:04:50.879 --> 00:04:55.680 police went to fetch him and return their equipment to him and lo and behold. 72 00:04:55.720 --> 00:04:59.040 While they were dealing with mister Dayla Haunty, he said, yeah, 73 00:04:59.079 --> 00:05:01.360 I want to talk to you about it. Murder I committed, you know, 74 00:05:01.480 --> 00:05:05.360 some eighteen years ago. This murder was actually predates my tenure as the 75 00:05:05.399 --> 00:05:10.199 Kama Walth attorney. It happened while I was still in private practice before I 76 00:05:10.279 --> 00:05:15.000 was sworn into office, but I've worked with the Elsmere Police detectives on the 77 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:19.319 case over the years. Mister Dala Haunty was caught or at least observed, 78 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:25.879 I should say, sometime later, shortly after the murder of Paul Clayton, 79 00:05:25.920 --> 00:05:30.319 mister Dala Haunty was found driving his automobile on Off the top of my head, 80 00:05:30.360 --> 00:05:32.639 I can't remember what kind of car was. It's bugging me now, 81 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:38.560 but anyway, he was driving mister Clayton's automobile, which friends and neighbors had 82 00:05:38.680 --> 00:05:44.120 reported the police went missing around the same time that mister Clayton was killed, 83 00:05:45.079 --> 00:05:49.240 and mister Dala Haunty was always the suspect in that murder. However, detectives 84 00:05:49.279 --> 00:05:54.399 at the time just couldn't put enough together to just sustain a conviction on mister 85 00:05:54.480 --> 00:05:58.399 Dala Haunty, so he remained free, at least on the murder charge. 86 00:05:58.399 --> 00:06:02.000 Now, he's been arrested and convicted several other things in the meantime, and 87 00:06:02.199 --> 00:06:05.800 hadn't been out of prison that long when he ended up at Saint Elizabeth Hospital. 88 00:06:05.839 --> 00:06:09.000 So I don't know if you just miss prison wanted to go back, 89 00:06:09.439 --> 00:06:14.360 or what the situation was Willie, or whether he had an enlightened moment or 90 00:06:14.399 --> 00:06:16.759 a break in his conscience just couldn't take it anymore. Don't know, don't 91 00:06:16.759 --> 00:06:20.120 know what the circumstances were, but needless to say, when I got the 92 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:23.879 call from the Covington Police sergeant, I was more than happy to call it 93 00:06:23.920 --> 00:06:28.319 Ellesmere Police detectives and say, hurry down to Covington and talk to mister Dala 94 00:06:28.399 --> 00:06:30.920 Haunty and see what he has to say about this murder that apparently he's already 95 00:06:30.920 --> 00:06:35.680 told the Covington police he committed, so they did. I have been in 96 00:06:35.759 --> 00:06:40.759 trial all week, so unfortunately I haven't had a chance to observe that interview 97 00:06:40.879 --> 00:06:44.240 just yet. But just judging by what's written in the arrest citation, it 98 00:06:44.319 --> 00:06:48.040 sounds like mister Dala Haunty came clean and I trust that we will have him 99 00:06:48.040 --> 00:06:50.879 in front of the grand jury here in short order. It was a ninety 100 00:06:50.920 --> 00:06:55.920 six Ford Thunderbird he was driving around. What was the motivation? Was it 101 00:06:55.959 --> 00:07:00.000 a burglary gone bad? Was it a workman that came to the house. 102 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:03.600 Ho was Timothy Della haunting and something happened and he stabbed Paul Clayton to death. 103 00:07:03.680 --> 00:07:08.040 You know the motivation for this, not yet. I'm hoping that that's 104 00:07:08.079 --> 00:07:10.720 part of the explanation he gave detectives. But like I said, I haven't 105 00:07:10.720 --> 00:07:13.040 had a chance because of this trial all week, which by the way, 106 00:07:13.079 --> 00:07:16.600 I won. We convicted another repeat felon. He's now into the double digits. 107 00:07:16.639 --> 00:07:21.040 Fellow by the name of Virgil Evans committed his tenth felony, and this 108 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:28.199 time the jury said enough is enough. Burglary first degree, persistent felony offender 109 00:07:28.240 --> 00:07:30.839 first degree. They wobbed him with the twenty five year prison sentence. But 110 00:07:30.879 --> 00:07:34.079 that's what's been taking up my time this week. So I haven't had a 111 00:07:34.240 --> 00:07:39.600 chance to see mister Della Haunty's interview. But I suspect that we will hopefully 112 00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:42.879 get him through a preliminary hearing here soon, Willie. It's been delayed a 113 00:07:42.879 --> 00:07:46.519 couple of times because apparently he refused to exit his jail cell and come to 114 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:48.439 court. I didn't know that was an option. I always thought that if 115 00:07:48.439 --> 00:07:50.639 you were in jail and you refuse to do what they tell you, that 116 00:07:50.720 --> 00:07:56.160 they escorted you from your cell to the court room. And we're not even 117 00:07:56.160 --> 00:07:59.000 talking about bringing him to the courthouse, just the video courtroom out at the 118 00:07:59.079 --> 00:08:03.839 jail where they appear on close circuit television at our courthouse. But he refused 119 00:08:03.879 --> 00:08:05.879 to come out of his cell, and so they delayed his arraignment a couple 120 00:08:05.920 --> 00:08:09.680 times. But I believe they went ahead finally and arranged him without bringing him 121 00:08:09.759 --> 00:08:13.279 to the court room, the video court room, and they went ahead and 122 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:16.199 set a preliminary hearing next week. It will be interesting to see whether mister 123 00:08:16.279 --> 00:08:20.600 de la Haunt he chooses to show up or Alex to come to court, 124 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:24.759 or Alex to stay in his jail cell. And again, I guess these 125 00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:30.360 days we're talking about kinder, gentler jails all across the country. You know, 126 00:08:30.439 --> 00:08:33.080 prison's not exactly the same prison it used to be, sometimes for good, 127 00:08:33.159 --> 00:08:37.519 sometimes for bad. But nevertheless, it will be interesting to see if 128 00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:41.399 he shows up in court. Let's talk about the Latonia case. Seventeen year 129 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:45.080 old name not available yet, although I'm sure he's going to be tried and 130 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:48.039 fell in the adult court shot two fourteen year olds. I think they were 131 00:08:48.080 --> 00:08:54.000 eighth graders. Some sort of bullying or some sort of dispute. Guns were 132 00:08:54.039 --> 00:08:58.679 everywhere. What can you tell us about the gun playing Latonia with these teenagers. 133 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:01.879 I can't tell you a whole lot because this all went on while I 134 00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:05.360 was finishing up trial. Actually, I take this back. This went on 135 00:09:05.440 --> 00:09:09.919 two days ago when I was in the middle of trial, but it was 136 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:11.519 during the day. It was right about the time these kids were getting out 137 00:09:11.519 --> 00:09:15.919 of school, should have been going home to do their homework. And I 138 00:09:15.960 --> 00:09:20.039 don't know all the details just yet, except that we have teenagers that are 139 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:24.799 dead from gunshot wounds. We have other teenagers running around town with guns. 140 00:09:24.559 --> 00:09:30.879 I don't you know. It's really really frustrating the juvenile justice system in Kentucky, 141 00:09:30.879 --> 00:09:33.320 and I'm sure we share this problem with a lot of other states that 142 00:09:33.480 --> 00:09:37.879 we have gotten so soft on juvenile crime that juvenile court's a joke. I 143 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:41.960 mean, you arrest teens with guns and you can't do anything to them, 144 00:09:43.039 --> 00:09:48.039 and they just get either probated to their parent or probated to some social worker, 145 00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:50.840 and they never go to jail, they never really get punished, and 146 00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:52.960 they just get out and go do it again. And they know this, 147 00:09:52.519 --> 00:09:58.600 so they keep committing these crimes and it's not until somebody dies that they get 148 00:09:58.639 --> 00:10:01.080 transferred to adult court, and we have to put them in prison like a 149 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:05.639 grown up. And it's really unfortunate. You know, if we intervened, 150 00:10:05.679 --> 00:10:09.240 if the justice system actually punished these kids and made them think twice about committing 151 00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:13.240 crime, and you make a decision like I don't want to go back there 152 00:10:13.279 --> 00:10:15.960 again, so I'm not going to keep carrying a gun around town, and 153 00:10:15.960 --> 00:10:18.200 I'm certainly not going to shoot somebody. No, we just keep slapping them 154 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:22.440 on the wrist, and they keep coming back and coming back, committing more 155 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:24.519 crime, commit more crime, till eventually somebody dies. And then when that 156 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:28.960 happens, they become my problem. And then by then, not only have 157 00:10:28.039 --> 00:10:31.840 they taken a life, but they wreck their own life because they're probably gonna 158 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:35.919 end up in prison for a good long time. And that's just it's horrible. 159 00:10:35.960 --> 00:10:39.600 It's a horrible system. Sooner or later, I'm hoping Frankfurt gets tired 160 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:45.279 of reading about dead teenagers and teenagers going to adult prisons, because we have 161 00:10:45.360 --> 00:10:48.919 to have more punishment in the juveniles justice system than what we have right now, 162 00:10:48.919 --> 00:10:52.480 because right now it's a joke and it doesn't deter anything at all. 163 00:10:52.679 --> 00:10:56.000 Oh in Hamliny County juvenile court system is a joke, because there's one judge 164 00:10:56.039 --> 00:11:01.879 there of the two that refuses to put a black mail up North to youth 165 00:11:01.919 --> 00:11:07.360 correction because of reparations and racism, and she refuses to hold accountable those who 166 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:11.480 commit serious crimes. If you're a sixteen or seventeen year old you're rolling around 167 00:11:11.519 --> 00:11:15.679 with guns and you're shooting people, and you're robbing people and you're beating people, 168 00:11:16.120 --> 00:11:18.279 that's an indication of what lies ahead. He's not going to become suddenly 169 00:11:18.559 --> 00:11:22.720 a Rhodes scholar. This seventeen year old who murdered a fourteen year old, 170 00:11:24.039 --> 00:11:26.720 he thinks for justifiable reasons, I'm sure, and shot the other fourteen year 171 00:11:26.720 --> 00:11:33.759 old girl probably had been involved in criminal justice before. I'm sure Virgil Edwards 172 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:39.039 was again an individual had been for a long time in juvenile justice, like 173 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:43.320 Timothy Delahunty and you got him fourteen, fifteen sixteen. Seemingly Timothy when he 174 00:11:43.399 --> 00:11:48.559 was seventeen or eighteen years old, was brutally stabbing to death Paul Clayton and 175 00:11:48.600 --> 00:11:52.679 Elsmere rolling around in his ninety six fourty bird, and justice has been delayed 176 00:11:52.679 --> 00:11:56.960 about eighteen years. It'll be ser ultimately. But if some kid is involved 177 00:11:56.960 --> 00:12:01.600 in this lifestyle, which is a very small numb and a small percentage. 178 00:12:01.720 --> 00:12:05.679 They need to be dealt with harshly to stop future murders from taking place. 179 00:12:05.879 --> 00:12:11.600 In Hamilton County. Last year there was twenty juveniles that were shot and there 180 00:12:11.639 --> 00:12:15.000 were about fourteen that were killed. And that's the tip of the iceberg. 181 00:12:15.120 --> 00:12:18.919 We have drive by shootings all the time, and one apprehend it if you're 182 00:12:18.919 --> 00:12:22.120 a certain gender and color. And juvenile court and Hamilton County we have a 183 00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:26.080 judge there that won't send you to adult court. Talk to Melissa Powers. 184 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:31.600 They're thinking about proceeding in some legal fashion against this judge who will not refer 185 00:12:31.679 --> 00:12:35.639 cases to adult court. And if it doesn't get referred to adult court by 186 00:12:35.679 --> 00:12:39.440 the juvenile court system, there's no mechanism for the prosecutor's office to reach in 187 00:12:39.519 --> 00:12:43.879 a juvenile court and pull that kid out. And so fortunately we don't have 188 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:48.799 quite that same issue. Really are problem as the laws. You know, 189 00:12:48.879 --> 00:12:52.720 hopefully the voters of Hamilton County will wise up and stick that problem the next 190 00:12:52.720 --> 00:12:54.240 time that judges up for re election. I don't even know who that judge 191 00:12:54.320 --> 00:12:58.120 is over there, but I don't have that problem with my judges, my 192 00:12:58.240 --> 00:13:01.919 district court judges that here juvenile crime are great and they hate you now crime, 193 00:13:03.120 --> 00:13:05.399 they hate adult crime, they hate crime altogether. There's some law and 194 00:13:05.519 --> 00:13:09.200 order type judges, you know, my kind of judges. But their problem 195 00:13:09.240 --> 00:13:13.279 is is that Kentucky legislators have handcuffed them. We have got you know, 196 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:16.240 back. We're in a totally different era now, Willie. This is the 197 00:13:16.279 --> 00:13:20.440 first time in the eighteen years now that I've become a wealth attorney, the 198 00:13:20.480 --> 00:13:24.639 first time the wins of the legislature are at my back and you know, 199 00:13:24.759 --> 00:13:28.840 somebody advocating on behalf of victims of crime and law and order in Frankfurt. 200 00:13:28.919 --> 00:13:33.679 This is the first session maybe last year, but the first time in my 201 00:13:33.799 --> 00:13:39.080 career that legislators have been wanting to get tough on crime finally and do something 202 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:43.200 to keep innocent civilians from being victims of crime. But for the last i 203 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:48.039 don't know, sixteen seventeen years prior to this, the legislature has been getting 204 00:13:48.080 --> 00:13:52.600 soft and Republicans have nobody to blame but ourselves, because we're sending these legislators 205 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:56.480 down there that wanted to show how virtuous they are, and because they were 206 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:01.360 getting softer and softer on crime general, but especially juvenile crime. And they've 207 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:05.919 watered down juvenile crime laws so much that my district court judges, who are 208 00:14:05.960 --> 00:14:11.519 good judges, don't have the option. The law doesn't allow them to incarcerate 209 00:14:11.559 --> 00:14:15.720 the juveniles for darn near or anything. Well, it's like until they commit 210 00:14:15.799 --> 00:14:20.559 a crime so heinous like murder to get them transferred to adult court, they 211 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:24.960 don't have anything to do with them down there, because Kentucky law rarely allows 212 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:28.039 us to incarcerate a juvenile and it's a disservice to the public, and it's 213 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:31.720 a disservice to the juvenile criminal as well, because they're not getting taught a 214 00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:37.320 lesson. What they're being taught is you barely get a slap on the wrist 215 00:14:37.360 --> 00:14:41.039 at most, and then you'll be back out on the street doing whatever you 216 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:43.720 want to do, carrying guns, dealing drugs, committing crime. Have at 217 00:14:43.720 --> 00:14:48.519 it until you turn eighteen and got it to go deal with Rob Sanders and 218 00:14:48.519 --> 00:14:50.480 his prosecutors. You can do whatever you want and come at of Kentucky. 219 00:14:50.799 --> 00:14:56.960 And it's a harsh wake up call when they get carried away or go too 220 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:01.360 far across that line. Actually kill somebody. Now all of a sudden, 221 00:15:01.679 --> 00:15:03.360 they're going to prison for a long long time, and they're like, hey, 222 00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:05.519 wait, when was this. I thought I'm on twuvnile. I just 223 00:15:05.559 --> 00:15:09.080 get a slap on the wrist and nope. Now now you cross the line. 224 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:16.200 Now you're into adult court and we're playing for real sentences and real decades 225 00:15:16.240 --> 00:15:18.320 in prison, and your life is pretty much over, just like the kid 226 00:15:18.360 --> 00:15:22.679 that you shot. I see it all the time in larger cities where gangs 227 00:15:22.720 --> 00:15:26.039 will solicit thirteen, fourteen, fifteen year olds to carjack, commit crimes, 228 00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:30.519 sell drugs, and do shootings, knowing that if you're in Chicago, Los 229 00:15:30.559 --> 00:15:35.200 Angeles, Portland, at Cincinnati, maybe not Covington, not much happens. 230 00:15:35.159 --> 00:15:37.960 Recruit the young ones. By the time they're eighteen, they're so hard and 231 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:41.279 they're in the gang lifestyle. Their life's going to be caught. More victims 232 00:15:41.360 --> 00:15:45.440 going to be laying at their feet. And somehow we have this notion that 233 00:15:45.480 --> 00:15:48.080 if you're fourteen or fifteen or sixteen, you really can't be held accountable for 234 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:52.559 serious fellow the actions because your brain hasn't developed until you're like twenty five years 235 00:15:52.559 --> 00:15:56.240 old if you're a male. But if these individuals is seventeen year old, 236 00:15:56.639 --> 00:16:00.240 and I guess others in the Latonia area, and then there's going to be 237 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:03.120 a retribution that is going to be revenge taken. We have it all the 238 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:07.039 time in Cincinnati where gang upon gang upon gang do the drive bys and they 239 00:16:07.279 --> 00:16:11.960 have to respond. But they recruit the teenagers for obvious reasons. It's because 240 00:16:11.039 --> 00:16:15.039 juvenile court system want to treat them as if they're shoplifting candy bars, when 241 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:18.759 in fact these are hardened criminals. I have to be dealt as such. 242 00:16:18.080 --> 00:16:22.039 And I know in Hamlety County it doesn't happen. I guess it doesn't happen 243 00:16:22.039 --> 00:16:25.480 in northern Kentucky either, because of the law. We have the laws present. 244 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:29.919 But when you have a judges that won't refer juvenile cases over because have 245 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:33.559 passed wrongs against persons of that same color, you have nothing but mayhem. 246 00:16:33.840 --> 00:16:37.639 And right now on the streets of Cincinnati, we have a higher murder rate 247 00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:44.440 and shot rate victims than the city of Chicago and some's and it's ongoing. 248 00:16:44.480 --> 00:16:48.240 It's not stopping. Yeah, you know, Willie, what's really a tragedy 249 00:16:48.279 --> 00:16:52.039 in all this is, in my experience, it's actually fairly rare that the 250 00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:56.559 victim of a murder is of a different race. I mean, it happens, 251 00:16:56.559 --> 00:17:00.360 but just not very often, that the victim of a murder is a 252 00:17:00.399 --> 00:17:03.640 different race than the criminal that killed them, than the murderer. So if 253 00:17:03.680 --> 00:17:10.000 you you know, if you're talking about minorities that are whether it be Hispanic 254 00:17:10.119 --> 00:17:12.920 or African American, or mixed race, or any other minority that you might 255 00:17:12.960 --> 00:17:18.039 imagine, chances are the victim of that crime is that same skin color. 256 00:17:18.279 --> 00:17:22.240 And it's certainly not fair to the victim of crime that the murderer get off 257 00:17:22.279 --> 00:17:25.640 scott free, or get off with the slap on the wrist, or be 258 00:17:25.720 --> 00:17:29.039 kept in juvenile court when they ought to be transferred to adult court. How 259 00:17:29.079 --> 00:17:36.119 does that help the victim who's the same minority is the criminal. It's doubling 260 00:17:36.200 --> 00:17:41.519 down on bad policy and failed logic. Well, with your permission, let's 261 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:45.079 talk further in these cases later on. Good luck, congratulations on Commonwealth versus 262 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:48.799 Virgil Edwards, and Selena Ferrell's coming up, and the seventeen year old's coming 263 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:52.200 up, and you've got Timothy Delahanty coming up. You'll be busy for the 264 00:17:52.240 --> 00:17:55.880 rest of this year. And Rob Sanders, thank you. For coming on 265 00:17:55.920 --> 00:18:00.480 the Bill Cunningham Show. Good luck and keep getting those convictions. Thank you, 266 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:03.240 I appreciate it. This is going to set up well for being your 267 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:07.759 number one guest on the show. Again. I've never had this many homicide 268 00:18:07.799 --> 00:18:11.759 cases pending in my office at this time in my career, so weird an 269 00:18:11.799 --> 00:18:15.119 all time high. But that just means we'll have lots to talk about and 270 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:17.680 I look forward to it. Thanks for having me on. God bless the 271 00:18:17.680 --> 00:18:19.799 Commonwealth. All right, let's continue with more coming up later. Allegedly, 272 00:18:19.920 --> 00:18:26.480 Tony Benner's made contact with the Turtleman and there's an agreement for him to come 273 00:18:26.559 --> 00:18:30.880 on with segment and myself at one thirty five today. We'll see what happens 274 00:18:30.319 --> 00:18:33.640 with Ernie Brown. We'll see what happens, but he said he will come 275 00:18:33.680 --> 00:18:38.200 on to face our questions to the life and times of the Turtleman at your 276 00:18:38.200 --> 00:18:42.319 home of the Reds News Radio seven hundred WLW. If you're hiring, it 277 00:18:42.359 --> 00:18:45.359 can feel like you're trying to find a needle in a haystack. You can 278 00:18:45.400 --> 00:18:47.920 hope the right person comes along.