Hello, and welcome to Open Mind UFO Radio. This is your host,
Alejandro Rojas, and I am joined by nobody Martin's night here today because he's
going to be pretty busy, but that's all right. We've got a lot
of news to go to through, so I don't know if we're going to
even have time for Martin and my winty bat banter, so we'll just get
right into it. But you're listening to Open Mind UFO Radio, where we
cover credible UFO news and information in a journalistic way, so it's not necessarily
that we're coming to conclusions, but we're sharing substantiated, credible information so you
can make your own decision. So we'll be looking also at the review at
the news stories that happened this week, and there has been a lot of
them, like I mentioned, so we'll go over those and then after that
for those of you who are just here for the interview, we usually start
that off at about the twenty six minute mark, and our interview today is
with Danny Silva, So this is great. Danny Silva is running a website
called The Silva Record, and he's a little bit new to the scene,
so we started this blog he's been posting some great stuff about to the Stars
and this Pentagon UFO program that has been in the news so much. So
we'll talk to Danny about what inspired him to do this, to put up
this website, and some of the stories that he's ran across. But before
that, let's get to the news. So lots of news out there.
The very first one is my story, and I'm very proud of it.
So many of you will know that on the website Den of Geek, which
is kind of a sci fi news site, that I've been reviewing the television
show Project blue Book from the History Channel. Of course, some of you
have been very frustrated with the show that it has not stuck to the facts
of, you know, what really happened in the real Project blue Book.
However, you know, it is inspired by it, as they say,
and hopefully and I think it has, you know, gotten people to realize
that there was a Project blue Book and that it wasn't as cut and dry
as people thought. That there was really a doctor j Allen Heinik, who
is a star in the show, but well someone that's supposed to kind of
represent him, but the real doctor Heinig really did feel he was a skeptic
and then eventually became a believer when it came to UFOs. So the other
thing that is great about the show that is a big positive is that not
only is each show about a real UFO event, throughout each show, there
are kind of these nods or easter eggs that hint at other real cases.
So really, if you're in the know, there's an abundance of information out
here. And what's been great for me is when I write these reviews,
I can call these out and tell people about these cases and then link to
them. But what we did here, I wasn't able to review every episode,
so we put together this gigantic guide to the entire first season. So
not only do I have links and information to the real Bluebook files for each
of the cases that they covered on each of these episodes, but I also
have links and information about all of the little easter eggs in there. So
some of these, you know, are some really fun and compelling stories that
weren't featured in the show, but are something that are still really cool to
look into. Some of the cases I can think of off the top of
my head, are you know the mythology of the Philadelphia experiment. You know
what the nazis really worked on in the past. As far as advanced technology,
we have the Lubbock Lights, well that was in the story, but
the details, for instance, behind this project the Lubbock Lights is pretty extraordinary.
And the green Fireballs there's actually a big story about scientists and their UFO
sightings behind that. So there are a lot of there's a lot of background
information here that is a lot of fun that they alluded to. And we
know we've had David O'Leary on the show that you know he's a UFO buff
himself. So they jam packed this full of these little easter eggs. And
you can read this on my latest Den of Geek article. And I do
want to remind people if you go to Openminds dot tv on the front page,
you'll see the UFO headlines right up front there, and the ones that
I'm referring to are the ones at the top right there right now. I
also put a link in the show notes to the UFO headlines, so if
we're talking about past headlines, you can see that. But the page,
the UFO headlines page is really cool. It's a great resource where you can
look at you know UFO headlines in the mainstream media going back for years.
So yes, check out this story. I'm very very proud of it.
A lot of great information and for me, you know the net when it
comes to the show, and I know some of you disagree, but I
think it was a net positive. I think that it did bring more awareness
to this topic and it was a fun show. I just love Aidan Gillen
who plays Jalen Heinik and the other characters that are in the show. So
I think it was a fun show. I like the show. I'm looking
forward to a second season, and especially all this UFO stuff is a lot
of fun, So check it out. Moving on the Metro in the UK
has a story that just posted today and this is an interview with Nick Pope.
Nick Pope, of course ran the mods UFO desk for a short period
of time. Now we've talked a lot about lately this Pentagon project looking into
UFOs that was headed by Luis Elizondo. In ways, what Nick Pope did
was similar because he did look into UFO cases and was a government employee,
but they didn't do real hardcore investigations like a tip the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification
Program of the Pentagon instead, you know, it was very more light touching
on things. But Nick Pope has been a UFO researcher ever since because,
much like Jay ellen Heinek, he entered a skeptic, but by the time
he left he thought, wow, there really is something to all of this.
Well, he pipes in on this story about a tip. The title
is Top Secret Government Investigation Probed Health Effects of UFO Encounters. So we do
know some of the things that they worked at on inside of this program,
not a lot, but some. One of the documents, or at least
headlines in the documents that came out, was related to human effects. Well,
Nick is saying he knows a little bit about what they looked into,
and this quote in particular is interesting. I believe this was done, and
what he means by this is collecting of blood and DNA samples from encounter witnesses.
He says, I believe this was done in a way that disguise the
fact that this was for a US intelligence program, with witnesses being told that
they were participating in a scientific or academic study. So that's kind of interesting.
He's alleging that you know that we're kind of, you know, mis
representing themselves when they collected this this material. Now we don't know where he
gets this information from or why he believes this. In fact, the person
I'm interviewing today, this story just came out today after I interviewed Danny.
But Danny asked via Twitter and then we've done so again on Facebook. You
know what substantiates those claims? Why do you think this? So hopefully we'll
hear more from Nick about that. I'm sure I'll have some more information about
that by next week. So yeah, interesting piece of news there news Week.
Newsweek covered a really interesting article Russia's paranormal soldiers and military dolphin telepathy revealed
by Defense Ministry magazine. What So, what this is all about is that
there was a piece in a magazine called Army Collection, which is a credible
Russia defense ministry magazine. The title of this article was super Soldier for the
Wars of the Future bomb. This is similar actually to a book that John
Alexander wrote in the past. Because John Alexander, who we've interviewed on the
show many times in Army Intelligence worked on similar sort of things and one of
the stories that John Alexander and some of the others, including some of the
people involved with To the Stars Academy where Los Alessando is now working. The
gentleman who worked on a tip. He works with the scientist help put Off,
who used to work with remote viewing programs, which is essentially a psychic
program inside of our government that ended years ago. Some suspect that it's it's
continuing on, just more secretly, but they were inspired to begin their program
because they heard the Russians were working on this sort of thing. So it's
got an incredibly interesting history. In fact, there is a new documentary out
called Third Eye Spies. That's what it's called, Third Eye Spies. Really
great documentary. The content is amazing following these programs, so check that out
Third Eye Spies. Anyway, getting back to the story, that's what this
story is about, so I'd recommend you to take a look. How does
it work into UFOs and ETS. Well, what's interesting is that many of
the remote viewers in the past believe they had remote viewed aliens. In fact,
I touch on that in my story in the Project Bluebook thing, and
they believe that they they you know, whenever they remote viewed UFOs, they
saw aliens and stuff like that. So many of these guys believe in aliens.
Jim Mars, unfortunately he's passed away, but he has a book called
Psychic Spies where he refers to this. So actually it's called sy Spies where
he refers to you know, all of these beliefs from these people. So
really interesting stuff there. The son another UK Tabloyd has a story. TV
producer sues CIA scientist in bid to expose government UFO cover up and blows whistle
on mysterious anti gravity research project. So this is about Robert Kiviat. Many
of the UFO shows that you want to see on television have been produced by
Robert Kiviat. I know this gentleman. While I've talked to him on a
regular basis. He's calling. He's so interested in all of these stories.
In fact, this story was written by Emma Perry. She's written a couple
of stories on me. But anyway, he is suing a gentleman called Ron
Pandolfi who's worked with the CIA on their alleged what is called Weird Desk.
Now it's kind of a not an official title, but in a title some
a couple of people who've worked in the CIA gave to these cold cases that
were strange. But Robert Kiviat apparently was working with this guy on a project
and a program to on reverse technology, or I mean, on anti gravity
research, and Kiviat's disappointed. He says that, you know, he got
kind of screwed out of some money, so he's suing these guys over this
whole thing. He says he also wants to expose that the CIA has been
manipulating information related to the UFO phenomena, so really interesting. In fact,
maybe we'll try to get Robert on now. Robert's the kind of guy you
can't get off the phone with him, you know, without talking to him
for an hour, because he just talks and talks and talks and talks.
So it'll be difficult when we interview him. I'm sure he'll just keep going
on and on and on, but it'll be great to get from him.
I guess from his mouth you know what he's talking about here. So I'll
work on getting an interview with Robert. But until then, you know,
you'll be able to check out this story in the Sun, also in Florida,
story in the Miami Herald. What if you are abducted by aliens,
this Florida insurance company has you covered. So this is an insurance company that
covers people who believe they've been abducted by aliens. You can get alien abduction
insurance and apparently they have paid out at least once or twice on this.
So interesting. A couple things that they have on here that they've covered.
I guess they've covered Taylor Swift's legs and Jennifer Lowpez's a but allegedly so.
Of course, those are very high dollar important body parts that are culturally significant.
So there's big dollar signs attached to those, not literally, I don't
know. There may be some tattoos there that we're not aware of. But
yeah, so they are covering alien abduction. So you can read more about
that in the Miami had also a story coming from KMTV news in Omaha.
UFO story revitalized after beer comic book comes out. So this gentleman essentially wanted
to write a comic book about UFOs. He looked into stories in Nebraska and
he found this gentleman, Herbert Shermer, who believed he had been abducted.
He felt this was a very credible story. So he created a comic book
about this story. The Miami Herald also interviewed or I'm sorry. The KMTV
also interviewed some local UFO researchers who talked about how credible this case is,
so very interesting. All these people involved believe there was something to it.
Also, I guess a new beer came out this week called star Space dank
Ipa that is related to these UFO researchers and UFO research in Nebra, So
that's what that's all about. I also included a link to the Omaha World
Herald, which also has a story called a Nebraska cops alleged UFO encounter lives
on thanks to a graphic novel and a beer. So this story has a
little bit more information and some more pictures on that same story. So I
included two links to that story so you could get all the news that's out
there on that one. Moving on, bizarre West Auckland UFO sighting terrifies couple.
So this is an interesting sighting about these people in New Zealand. So
they say that they were on the beach when they saw strange lights in the
sky. They said it was the craziest experiences that they've ever had. They
posted their sighting on Reddit. Their tagline, I guess their handle was UFO
mystery one two three, But they said that they saw these bright orange red
lights at the far end of the beach. This was apparently written by a
female. It says my boyfriend and I. I guess I shouldn't assume the
gender, but my boyfriend and I saw two bright orange red lights far on
the other end of the beach. In a matter of seconds, one of
the lights started moving at full speed in a straight line no more than two
hundred meters above the water, until it was directly in front of us.
The UFO had changed from having a red light to a bright white light somewhat
like a torch, shining directly at us. After two minutes, the strange
object moved a waflying incredibly fast and with perfect precision, until it disappeared.
But this wasn't the end. We were lying down looking at the stars for
a while, and then stood up to leave before realizing there were five of
these things surrounding them in different areas on the beach. One of them was
flying up and down in another from side to side. The others were just
still switching between red and white spotlights. This was when we decided to leave
scared s less the poopless. They were scared poopless, the other word for
poopless. They fled the beach but couldn't escape the lights, is what they
said. So they freaked out and they took off. And so a really
interesting sighting here that got into the news. People are saying they could have
been Chinese lanterns, or they could have been this or that, so who
knows. You know what. This reminds me of two and I wish that
I would have linked to it, but you know, I'll try to do
that in the show notes or I know, if you look at the open
mind UFO News. By the way, we do have a Facebook group.
It's a closed group called open mind UFO News. It's closed. The only
reason it's closed is so we can kick out the trollers, so the people
that are being mean. Of course, we have a rule that debate is
very much welcome. People can debate all they want, but they have to
be civil with each other, you know, not be mean. Like the
Internet is so f of just extremely cruel and vile people. Well that's not
the type of people we want in this form, and we have a lot
of really great people who are willing to not get personal when we're debating things.
You're talking about people. So that's why the group is closed. But
if you want to be part of the group, just go to Facebook,
go to the open mind gufo newsgroup. Asked to join, and usually within
twenty four hours, we'll get to you sometimes really soon and approve you and
you'll be able to get in there and read all the stories. So I
post all of these stories, Others post stories in there. There's a lot
of conversation that goes back and forth in there. But the reason I'm referring
to it is someone had posted a story recently about some of the sightings that
had occurred by Navy personnel. So if you remember last week we talked about
the History Channel show, there's going to be a History Channel show about to
the Star's Academy, ran by Tom DeLong, and of course all these intelligence
and the former important people Danny and I are going to be talking about this
in just a minute in the interview are part of this program. But we
don't know much about what lou Alezondo research regarding UFOs in a tip. So
this new History Channel series that's coming out in just a couple of months is
going to be going over some of those stories because according to Loue Alesondo,
and he told us this even just a couple of weeks ago in Alabama,
and he told me it was cool to share this that you know, this
show is going to include a lot of these cases that we haven't heard yet
that were military cases, including more tic Tac cases. I'm assuming the Tiktac
cases, to be honest, I didn't don't know that we heard that specifically,
but other cases, including a case where there were allegedly observed several square
objects that seem to have kind of around aura around them and they moved in
strange ways. And the reason I bring this up is because these objects that
they described seeing, it's kind of similar to this New Zealand sighting. And
somebody recently made a video that you know, kind of shows what those what
that sighting look like, and that's posted in the open Mind UFO news group,
so you can see it there. However, you know, this sighting
in New Zealand also could have been a group of drones. I mean,
it doesn't say they heard anything, but I guess I think we need more
information to definitely rule out the drone possibility. You never know. Like I've
got one of these little drones, the Spark, and it's freaking awesome.
It flies so fast all over the place, and as an HD camera on
it, I love this thing. But you know, no doubt if I
flew that around on the beach, which I have not at night, but
if I were to fly it around on the beach at night, it probably
would look like UFI. I have flown around in parks and stuff at night,
and it looks really weird knit zooms. Man. It goes really close,
and at night it's hard to tell how far something is from you.
So if something's close and it's moving very fast then and you assume that it's
far, of course, then it's going to give you the perception that it's
moving much faster than it actually is. So that's what's up with that next
story. A website called twenty four to seven Wall Street. So of course,
mostly they're covering news and tech and things that affect you know, the
economy. However, they have a story in here called States with the Most
UFO Sidings, and they have a list of different UFO sidings. They write
a little bit about UFOs at the beginning of this story and then they get
right into it, and essentially it's very long. They cover pretty much every
state and they talk about, you know, what are the states with the
biggest sighting. They talk about their methodology to putting this list together, and
where they're referencing this information. They're referencing a book by Cheryl Costa. So
of course we've had her on the show. She actually won the Researcher of
the Year Award at the International UFO Congress for this book. But the book
is called the UFO Sightings Desk Reference United States of America twenty one to twenty
fifteen Unidentified Flying Objects, Frequency Distributions and Shapes. So it's a great book.
If you don't have it, I would highly recommend it. And she
did a great job reaching out to the media and getting a lot of attention
for this book. So here's still another example, even though the book's been
out almost a couple of years now, at least over a year and still
getting media attention. So she actually already does this. She already has her
own list of the top siding. So they must have talked to her and
gotten this information from her. But yeah, they list the states with the
most UFO sightings, so that's really interesting story there. And then and let's
see what else we got The Guardian, so this is another UK paper but
actually it's not a tabloid. It's funny because we hear so much from the
UK tabloids because they're so popular, and it seems we hear little from the
more credible news sources like the BBC or this one, the Guardian, and
of course they don't really cover some hard UFO stuff sometimes but not often.
This story is called from UFO Cults to nietzschee. John Gray picks the best
books on atheism and faith, and one of the books that they're referring to,
this is why we're talking UFOs is called when Prophecy fails, and they're
kind of an examination of this UFO cult. And I don't personally like to
use that word much, call it as a negative connotation, and sometimes you
know it's warranted, but sometimes it's not. I mean, a religion is
to one person, you know, just like to anybody else, as long
as it's not a bad thing. But this was a group that predicted the
end of the world and we're wrong. And of course this happens a lot
in fact, you know, I think we get a lot of people predicting
the end of UFO secrecy and they're always wrong. But anyway, they review
as Carlton kind of like, how did people deal with that? They were
you know, they believed in this group and then they didn't come through.
How do people deal? How do they lose faith? That sort of thing.
So one of the five books is UFOs. And then finally there's a
story in my SA which is a San Antonio news site that says creepy,
scary UFO sightings reported in Texas in twenty nineteen. So they go over a
few Texas. They have a slideshow here of thirty five different stories. They
really don't provide a lot of information. They got these stories from the National
UFO Reporting Center. But yeah, a little bit about some sightings from twenty
nineteen in the my SA A there. So that's the last link. So
those are all of the links to the news stories. So do check those
out at Openminds dot tv. You'll see them on the front page, and
I also link to them in the show notes. No matter where you're listening,
whether that's a podcast or from my blog or from Open MINDSTV, or
let's see where else do I post it YouTube? So you know this podcast
is all over the place. Wherever you'll see the link to the headlines and
you'll be able to get links to all of these stories, so check them
out. But that's it for the news, So let's take a quick break.
If you're listening on the radio, you'll hear a commercial. Otherwise you'll
hear a short musical interlude, and then we'll be back with Danny Silva of
the Silver Record. Stay tuned, Welcome back to Open Mind UFO Radio.
I'm your host, Alejandro Rojas, and I am very excited for the next
guest, Danny Silva. It's his first time on the show. Hello Danny,
Hello Alejandro. I'm so happy to be I've always been an example of
a class act, someone that everyone else can look up to in the field.
And you handle yourself exactly how we try to handle ourselves. So thank
you, well, thank you very much for saying that. That's very flattering.
I'm going to tear up a little bit here. No, thank you
very much, and I'm excited to have you on because it's kind of neat.
I mean, really, it's you and you know, Joe UFO Joe
have kind of come out of the woodwork, and you've been inspired to create
these blogs and cover some of what's been going on lately. So I wanted
to ask you, you know, what inspired you first to get into this
field and then to actually get involved in and get the blog up. So
let's tackle the first one first. What inspired you to get into the whole
interested in UFO's in the first place. You know, I'm not sure.
Originally it was just really interesting to me growing up as a kid in the
nineties, and it was just something that was really amazing to me. And
then I started listening to Art Bell and then George Nori George Napp just religiously.
But then, obviously what happened was the December seventeen the article happened,
and I just kind of had to reevaluate everything. I wasn't sure, you
know, about everything, and I believed it, but it was a whole
new world that happened after that Times article and to the stars and all that
kind of thing. It was cool because I had heard about that story from
Art Bell. He had posted it somewhere on social media, so I thought
that was kind of fitting. But since then, it's just I've been locked
in and I can't watch a movie or do anything else without feel like I'm
wasting time. And there's just so much to take in. And I was
already into it before then, but then just after that, it was just
a whole different me. And then I jumped on social media and I was
just kind of tweeting about it and things like that. People started asking me
my opinion. And then I had some friends who wanted to start a blog,
and I'm not a writer or a journalist, and they kind of talked
me into it. And at first I wasn't even using my real name,
and they convinced me to use my real name, and now I'm kind of
a public person with it. But now I am writing, and now I
would be considered maybe an amateur journalist or doing some of those sort of things
that I never thought I would be doing. But I just kind of got
thrown into it and now I'm here. Mm hmm. So now you're screwed
because it sounds like you've got the bug like me. They said, that's
what happened to me, you know, a couple of decades or something to
go just as compulsion, like you said, where you're always thinking, thinking
about and you've you've got to get into it, no matter what you can
do. And then I haven't been able to kick that feeling for ever,
So look forward to years and years of it. Yeah. Really, And
and it's it's not that I won't you know, ever do anything else,
but it's just it's so important. And you hear people you know, saying
and how important it is, like Tom DeLong and they call it, what
is it, like the greatest story ever or something along those lines, and
I kind of agree. And it just it affects all of us. People
act like it doesn't, but it really does affect everything. And I don't
know what else we could be doing to be changing the world and getting to
the bottom of some of these big questions. Now, your blog, What
inspired you to do a blog? I mean, did you see that there
was a kind of a gap of information or what really inspired you? What
did you think, Hey, you know, here's something that I can do
that others aren't doing well. Basically, like I was saying that people were
asking me to I never thought I would have, and then once I kind
of started doing it, I kind of changed my mindset. But also because
I wanted to know what the latest things were happening. I was so addicted
to finding out what was going on, and I wanted to have a place
where other people can go on the Internet to see some of this stuff.
And it's so quick moving and fast paced that it changes all the time and
consistently. I'm talking to people in my normal everyday life and they can't keep
up with it, and they're not obsessed. They got their lives and to
take care of and and so I'm just kind of trying to have a place
on the Internet where people can just click on it and kind of find out
what the latest thing is going on without sifting through all this information. And
then I really just got hooked on reporting stories and coming up with some of
my own stories even but generally I was just trying to inform people, and
by doing that, it also gives me access to find out more information for
myself. M M. Well, you've been doing a good job with that,
and that's kind of why I asked the question in that way, where
you are I think filling a gap which is wonderful because I mean, you
know so many of us. Well, here's what I see has happen.
And here's why I now I get to tell you. Why I think you're
so and what you're doing is so great is that there was really kind of
this. I think when that story New York Times story came out, there's
this really delineation between those who report the information that's out there and then those
that speculate. And really it became apparent that the large percentage of people covering
this sort of stuff on a regular basis wanted to do a lot of speculation.
So of course you've got great stories from George Knapp, but very few
others are just kind of sticking to the facts. There are some, but
what's great about you popping up here is that you're able to cover stories that
other people aren't covering. I mean, has there been a time where you
kind of posted something and you felt great, You're like, nobody else has
done this, so I've kind of got a scoop here. Yeah, I
feel like I've had a bunch of scoops, and you know, I kind
of got set up with some of the speculation also, And I'm not knocking
anyone for doing it and has a big it has a big place, but
me personally, I try not to, and maybe that is me falling back
into more of an amateur journalist or whatever you would call it. I'm trying,
if you notice, in my blogs, I'm trying to use a lot
of quotes, and I go by what other people are saying. I'm trying
not to come up with a lot of opinions on my own. I mean,
I do have some, and I insert them in places, but it's
just not my thing. My thing is more so reporting on these other important
people, because you know, I'm trying to track them down. I do
what a lot of other prominent uphologists do, and they they have a list
of people and they watch them. Grant Cameron originally talks about this a lot,
and he just has his list and he watches people and he listens to
what they're saying. He watches all their interviews. I'm trying to reach out
to as many people as possible and talk to them myself, and then I
just kind of report on that and I try to quote them because they know
what's going on. At the end of the day, I'm trying to find
out what's going on, but I'm not you know, inside and a lot
of these places, and you know, I wasn't a member of AI for
darn sure. So I'm trying to quote Louillsonder and other Two the Stars members
and George Knapp and people with access because they know what's going on, and
I'm trying to just put it together concisely for other people to follow. M
hm. And I you know what I because of course I am a journalist.
I love that. That's why I'm such a big fan of George Knapp.
Sticking to the facts, and that's what's wonderful. Book about what you're
doing, which seems to become natural to you. Because even when I'm writing
a story, I may think, you know, or when I start to
investigate, I'm like, I know what I'm gonna find. I'm gonna find
this or that, But so many times you find out no, I'm completely
wrong. You know the answer once I asked the questions or find the document
or read the story, worries are different than I ever could have imagined.
So that's what's great about I think the way you're doing what you're doing,
and then it's also a better resource for people like me, because you're referencing,
you know, credible information. Yeah, and some of these blogs they
may look like, you know, I put them together quickly, but it
takes a lot of time to sift through the interviews find the right quotes.
Some of these I'll be literally compiling information for months before I put it out.
So I have like a list of things right now that I'm working on
at all times, and I'm compiling quotes and info and tidbits. And I
get some good tips also from people. I get a lot of crazy stuff
also in my inbox that I just can't report on, or that I'm not
interested in reporting on. But I'm blessed to have other people that I can
call upon, like my friend Juliana Marinkovich. She is great and he has
so much information. He's like an archivist basically, so I can ask him
if I need something. And I have all these other people like James I
and Doley and other friends of mine Twitter user Jay, and they just helped
me out. And I think we're all making waves now, or at least
we're helping. I think that's what we're trying to do is help. We're
not trying to tear anyone else down, and we're trying to move this thing
forward and support people that we think are really making a difference, whether that's
to the Stars Academy or yourself or doctor Diana Posta or people like that that
are just really I think, changing everything right now. Mm hmm. So
let's get into some of your stories, because what's great about a lot of
the headlines that you're using. They're short and simple, and they're to the
point, to the point that you're making. For instance, a tip did
not end is one of your stories. And just for those people out there
who might be new to the show, a tip is this kind of Pentagon
program that we just found out about December twenty seventeen through the New York Times.
Luckily I had a little insight into that. But you know, that's
the story you were talking about that broke that really got you into it.
But a lot of the media because in that original story, you know,
the DoD said the funding had ended, and they were under the impression that
the program had ended. But it hasn't end. At least we've heard from
several insiders right that the program's still continuing. Right. You know, Lou
said that from the beginning ever since the New York Times story. And I
understand why it's hard for some of these media outlets because they'll read maybe a
piece of the New York Times article, or they're not soaking it in or
they're not eating it and sleeping it like we are every day. But they'll
end up quoting one part of the of the story, like the Pentagon spokespeople
or whatever it was who said it ended, that they're not reading the next
paragraph, or lusays it doesn't end. They're not listening to these other numerous
interviews with Lou saying it didn't end, or other people like George Napp and
Jeremy Corbel saying it didn't end. And yeah, and a lot of it
is really confusing. There is still pieces of it that I'm confused about,
like the asset a tip. How they basically I feel like they morphed into
asat may have like ended, but then also morphed into a tip. But
that's very confusing stuff. It's real technical. But yeah, a tip didn't
end. There's been multiple statements. Now, Alezano did say at the SCU
conference that he basically hinted that it may not have the same name, so
it may not be called a TIP, but there's still this program that kind
of compiles military sightings or data and and puts it in one place. And
I mean, let's be honest, I don't think anyone has ever believed that
there wasn't a government UFO program going on so basically throughout time. So just
the fact that you know there would still be going with one going on still,
you know, it makes sense. It does make a lot of sense.
And of course, you know, we've heard from people like Paul Deine
in Australia. I've had him on the show and people could look up his
website and he has been following really following that thread in those documents. What's
interesting too with Paul Deine is that he has discovered there have been departments that
have been getting some files on UFO reports, even though they claim, you
know, they're not looking into it. And he seemed to also indicate that
what you just refer to, that these programs changed their names periodically, and
I had forgotten about Lou saying that in Alabama that yeah, it might not
be called a TIP anymore, which I think is the first time he said
that, and which is kind of a clue for us that you know,
I think this is the way they keep people from finding them. All of
us are putting these foyas out there for a tip, and we're not going
to get any of this new stuff because that's not their name. Yeah,
and you know, Paul Deine basically broke the ass up story, which was
huge. One thing I've found that every once in a while I'll write a
blog and it'll be kind of like a breaking story or a new info.
Then I'll have all these people like privately message me, Hey, I wasn't
allowed to talk about this. Now that you wrote about it, it's in
the public realm and I can talk about it. So that's basically what seemed
like happened with when Paul Deine came out with the OSCEP thing, and then
since then we've had a flood of information about it, and we've had the
dird list come out with from the George map and all this other stuff.
So Paul did an amazing service by coming out with the oscept stuff for sure,
mm hmm. Yeah. And as soon as he did that, and
it's funny, I could, I really feel like it inspired it. Then
George came out with a bunch of leak documents about as APP and for those
of you who aren't aware it might be new to this also, which there's
so many acronyms, and you can correct me. What that was the Advanced
Aerospace Weapons System Application Program. Yeah, and it essentially was the first program
which got the original funding, which so the New York Times was a little
off on that that the program was actually called ASAP at the time. And
then that's the program that essentially these religious factions in the government closed down.
We learned that from George Knapp, but then lew has confirmed that and written
about that since. But like you just said, that transition period of is
ASAP A TIP is a TIP just another name for ASAP. Is are these
different programs? How did that you know, transition happen? We don't have
those answers and we have and you know, John Greenwald, someone who's pointed
this out, conflicting information from the people involved on all of that, but
so that's kind of a gray area still. Yeah, it's some of the
information I feel that's conflicting from the to the stars members or people that were
involved with ATIP. To me, it isn't super big deals. It's it's
little things. I think the big contradictions probably have came from the Pentagon spokespersons,
and you know, they've proven over and over again that we can't necessarily
believe what they're saying. That this isn't exclusive to the UFO field. That
you know, there's spokespeople that make these statements and they end up not being
accurate. And it's not just with UFOs, it's with a lot of different
things in politics and the government, and I'm not sure who ends up being
held accountable for that. It's almost like, yeah, they can blast off
these statements and then there's like no repercussions if they're incorrect. But especially with
you know, Luke consistently highlighting that a lot of this stuff is FOYA exempt
and the foyas are important, but at the same time that can't be our
sole source of information. But so I'm not knocking anyone for doing that,
but uh, we just we need to listen to the actual people that were
involved in the in the programs themselves. Yeah, I think you're right,
you know, And I think one thing that gets lost with people a little
bit is that, for instance, we didn't hear about as app from lou
uh who of course ran a tip until the information was made public. And
he said that a few times. So these dirts, which are these reports
that were these written for the as APP program by physicists and and other you
know, researchers, those he couldn't talk about either until that that came out
as well. And and he said over and over again he not only is
some of it not cleared to be shared, but some of it belongs to
departments which he are still his colleagues and friends, and he's not gonna step
on their toes and you know, release anything that they wouldn't want him to
release, even if he could technically do it. So you know, it's
got to come from someone else. And luckily George Napp is getting material from
straight from Washington, as he's written about and which is sharing a lot of
this. So and I will say, I've been doing some real big digging.
So I do have on the horizon some more information about those questions about
a tip and ASAP and how that all happened coming forth here soon. But
again it is kind of getting into the weeds because the big stuff, you
know, we have these other people talking about, Yeah, you know,
one thing that was another tradiction was the in the letter to John McCain and
his committee, they asked for what was it all products produced by a tip
and they were sent the thirty eight dirds. Well, we know from hearing
George Knapp and Harry Reid that that is inaccurate, that the dirds were just
the icing on the cake for as far as osset plant. Another thing that's
seemingly being misreported. And I don't blame them because I kind of just figured
this out last night. I think now I can say this and be more
confident about it. But you know, the New York Times reported that the
twenty two million was for a tip, and then so we've been wondering,
and then we heard that it was for os apps. We've been wondering,
was there another twenty two million for a tip? But after listening to George
NAP's interview last night on space Stole Radio, it sounds like definitely the twenty
two million was for us APP. There was no twenty two million for a
tip. So, you know, this stuff is just becoming more clear and
clear, and sometimes it's taking fifteen in to really get that right exactly,
you know. And fortunately I've had the chance to talk to Lou, but
it's when you ask a set of questions that just of course creates more questions
and uh. And so it's this back and forth for many, many times.
And sometimes we don't have access to these people except for on occasion,
so it takes time to collect this information, and it takes time for them
to get in front of an interviewer who is savvy enough to ask the good
questions. Yeah, no doubt, you know. And and we love these
interviews, and I think there's they're going to be probably doing a lot more,
probably around the TV show or after it. But you know, that's
another thing I try to do is I just sift through these interviews and I
listen to them over and over and over again, and it's funny Lou or
someone else they'll say something and people kind of pass it over, and then
months later I'll highlight that quote from them and it's like a whole new story
all over again because people passed over that quote and they didn't have it in
context. Mm hm. So I think that's something I'm able to do with
the website, put these quotes together that people are passing over or they just
don't understand at the time. M hmm. Yeah, you know. The
other hard part is getting into the weeds. You mentioned this a bit too,
and I think you're right, is that a lot of it is so
complicated. You know. I had John Alexander on that too long ago,
and he talked about how complicated and just almost you know, to the point
of being silly, that the bureaucracy and the structures are when it comes to
the government. So I don't think we're ever going to find out the minutia
that a lot of people are scrambling for for you know, what department was
this and who did this person report to? Blah blah blah. We're probably
never going to get that stuff because it's just their secrecy and there's probably very
few people who understand. So I think some of these discrepancies really and I
don't think we can really personally beat them up too much about this. Is
they just don't know. They're taking their best. Guess. I think lou
probably knows the best he was an administrator, but the other guys are just,
well, here's what I think it is, and you know, little
do they know people are going to hold them to it, And you know,
go crazy if they're they're offha bit. Not and not every DIRD author,
which was the Defense Intelligence Reference Documents not. I've spoken to some of
those scientists and authors, not all of them, just a couple of them,
but a lot of them don't didn't know what was one hundred percent going
on. They were doing their research and submitting it and they didn't have you
know, access and clues into as App or Bass or any of these people.
And I can't speak for all of them, that's just a couple,
but I found that interesting. You know, they were kind of doing their
thing and they didn't have this big time access. That is another awesome piece
of information. That is a really really good point. Also, and we
only have a minute, so maybe we'll just start into this just for a
second. But here's another story that you're covering that I don't think anybody else
has that. We'll talk more about this after the break. But you wrote
about how to the Stars has a new advisor, Chris Herndon, Right,
Yeah, Tom DeLong announced that on Instagram, and we don't know a whole
lot about him. He's made some comments on Twitter, and I think one
or two people have been able to contact him. But basically, you know,
he's this white house guy and to me, it sounds like he's going
to be another link to the stars in DC. So that's valuable. Mm
hmm. That's really exciting. So we'll talk a little bit more about that
once we come out of the break, But just to remind people some more
here because we've introduced now another acronym. To the Stars or TTSA is the
group ran by rockstar Tom DeLong, with a lot of officials that now that
lou Elizondo has left the do O D and the Pentagon, he is now
working with Tom DeLong and these gentlemen at to the Stars and they're all very
high level, including apparently this gentleman Chris Herndon, who just joined the team.
So we'll get into that after the break. We got to take a
quick break here. If you're listening on a radio station, then you'll hear
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interlude and then we'll be right back with mister Danny Silva. Welcome back to
Open Mind UFO Radio. This is your host, Alejandro Rojas, and we
are with Danny Silva of the Silver Record I've referred to his blog several times
in the last few weeks, so you've got to check out silver record dot
com. And I'm very excited to have him here. And you're covering and
you're looking at stuffs the others of us are either missing or just don't have
time to look at. And one of those we are just talking about is
this new member of to the Stars, Chris Herndon. And is there anything
else more you could tell us about him? I don't know a whole lot
about it. You know. I did a blog called UFO Databases, and
this is me speculating, and I noticed that he had all this tech background
and security background, technology security background with the White House, so I just
kind of speculated, maybe he's helping out with some of this UFO databased stuff.
I really have no idea. That could be one hundred percent long.
You know what, It's good speculation in that, you know, that's what
lou was supposed to do originally, but of course, as we've seen his
kind of role seems to have expanded. They kind of, like, like
he said in Alabama, begrudgingly having to being forced into being a spokesperson.
But also he's out there leading a lot of the investigations apparently, so it
would make sense that they would need more help to help BLU out with that
security digital security type of area. Yeah, and the databases themselves are just
like this huge story. I mean, it's basically when you say database,
basically meaning everything that a tip came up with or everything else that came up
with. I mean, it's somewhere everything Bass came up with or other private
individuals like Robert Bigewell. So it basically means we want to see the roots
of their labor and it's somewhere. It's in these probably highly secured computers somewhere.
And if and to the Stars is not talking about making one called vault,
so that'll just be you know, huge, and if there's public access
to it, it could be a massive game changer. Mm hm. So
another piece of information, oh, and getting back to that really quickly is
that, you know, some people have kind of criticized move on, we're
working with that to the Stars, but this is an example where it's a
great thing if they're working with to the Stars, because then they can help
each other with these databases, which has always been a struggle for Mofon.
Yeah, you know, I think Moufon has the numbers. I don't get
too far into a lot of the Moufon stories. I know some people over
there, but I'm not super reversed on it. But I was excited to
hear that interview with Jan Harzen and Lou on the coast of George and Apple
last year. That was cool. So I think anyone that they can get
kind of on their side, especially a giant organization with all these people,
is going to help them. So here's another great story that you've got that
I don't see a lot of other people paying attention to. Another one.
I'd love to get to appet For me, it's great because then I can
use your stuff as a reference. But the Navy UFO event took place off
the coast of Florida and Virginia. So yeah, this is not getting a
lot of news yet. I think it will. I think it will be
part of the History Channel show or at least some release of information in the
future, is what I hear. But tell us about that, you know
everyone, Ever since the gimbal video was released, it shocked everybody, and
a lot of people confuse it with the tic tech mimics video. The tic
Tech one didn't have audio. The gimbal video had the audio where they said
it was rotating. I also did a story about how maybe that rotation could
match up with some of the stuff Bob Bazaars talking about or other people.
I think that rotation is very important. It's for the propulsion that possibly at
least and then there's all these other rumors circulating. Another researcher, I look
up to Keith Basterfield. He heard that from his sources that there's at least
five gimbal videos. I think that that's probably accurate, that there's a bunch
of different ones. One of them is probably Go Fast. It was probably
from the same event. And but for the New York Times story, they
released two videos, but To the Stars is released three overall. That is
a tik tak video from the NIMET, the gimbal video you're referring to,
which we don't have a lot of information about, the other two, and
then there's one called Go Fast, which we also don't have a whole lot
of information about. Yeah, and since then, you know, everyone has
been trying to track it down, figure out what's going on with it.
A lot of information was released about the Nimts, but the gimble has been
a lot more mysterious. My friend Dave Batty, who did the Nimts encounters,
he's been getting with a lot of military witnesses. They're trying to track
down people that were involved with the gimbal. They think it might have been
involved with the USS Roosevelt And basically we've heard that it was off the East
coast. That's all we knew. Then we started to hear it was off
of possibly off of Florida. We didn't know that. And then I was
listening to an interview that George Knap was conducting. It was like three in
the morning. I was half asleep, and then I heard him say Virginia,
and that was totally new information as far as I was concerned. So
I jumped on the computer and started typing it up and didn't sleep at all
that night. But so that was new and since he said Virginia. Eric
Davis has also said Virginia to Eric Klukes during their interview Eric Davis, who's
Who's a legend and another thing, Doctor Eric Davis said about the gimbal that,
as far as I'm concerned, I think was all new information was that
there was tic TACs involved because in the gimbal video it looks like a saucer.
David Fraber and Jeremy Corbel have also talked about these squares inside circles or
a square inside of a aura, like a circular aura, and they refer
to them as scouts. So we knew that shape was there. We knew
probably the saucer shape was there from the gimbal video that was rotating the Go
Faster video. You normally you can't really make out of shape very well.
And now Eric Davis also said there's tic TACs, So this gimbal thing is
amazing. Lews has said there's a fleet. Also, the pilot speaking says,
look on the ASA, there's a whole fleet of them. So this
has potential to be equally or more important than the Themos encounter. I just
keep asking myself how many more of these is a going to take? Because
the Limty encounter was amazing and it changed everything. But at the same time,
the public general public has kind of been sleeping on it, like it
kind of went away. We haven't been We've been talking about it every day
to death, but you know, it hit the news and it kind of
went away. But how many more of these is it going to take?
And this may be one of the biggest ones ever. And you know,
there may be links with water. I've been following that story as far as
oceans and things like that. But this gimbal story is going to be huge.
And there's been rumors consistently that witnesses will be coming out kind of similar
to the niemts, and I only can hope that that happens, and I
hope we get more information maybe some of the other videos during the to the
Stars show. Yeah, I think we will. I mean, lou has
said, and I hope this is public and I'm pretty su sure what.
Yeah, it's definitely said that there will be more cases released, including in
the History Channel show, some of them better than nimets, which, of
course, like you said, really puts us back in our seat because NIMTS
is extraordinary, but to have cases that are better is like wow. And
like you said, some incidents that include multiple objects. So, and this
is what's really great about you guys. You know, people paying attention to
everything people are saying because now we have more information that you know, this
could be off of Florida or Virginia or at least these incidents have occurred in
those areas, and if they're mentioning them, it's likely that there is some
pretty good documentation that also supports those cases, right, And you know,
just hearing the pilot's talk and seen the video, you would think people would
be more amazed by it, you know, and then people are still trying
to say it's a bird or whatever they're saying, or it's a smudge on
the screen, and it's crazy. So I think when the show comes out
and we get some of this extra data like we got with the Limits,
it's going to smack some people in the face that haven't believed these things are
real. I think you're right because the other thing that we have not gotten
is who has analyzed the videos. Who inside of the military, whether that
be at the DoD or you know, someone at the Pentagon Lou was able
to get to look at it, or someone inside the Navy we don't know,
or the Marines because some of these were spided by Marines, we don't
know. And it changes from I'm a video analyst at that point too.
Now I have to critique the investigation that was done that I can't even see
yet by the Navy or somewhat. I mean, you have to now,
because you're talking about someone who has expertise that really beyond yours. You have
to counter what they have discovered, and we don't even have the information to
go there yet. So I agree with you that it's a little premature.
It's worth looking at, but to be definitive, is I feel like you
premature. One thing I noticed that was really interesting to me, and it
took me listening to an Eric Davis interview with George Napp I almosto listened to
it fifteen twenty times, and I was going back recently listening to it,
and he said that there was thirty six investigations into the nimts. Wow.
At first I was thinking, was he confusing it with the thirty eight dirds,
But no, he wasn't. He was talking about the thirty six investigations
just into the nimets alone. So it sounds like when these things are happening,
you know, we do hear that maybe they're just getting put in a
drawer and forgotten about, and that maybe happening also, But it does sound
like there's a lot of resources going into these investigations and analyzing what's happening.
Mm hm, and they seem to be widely known. Robert powtows this story
about when he finally got to talk to someone, you know, about getting
some information about the TIC tac. He mentioned the word tiktak and the guy
was like, oh, the tic TACs. I know what you're talking about.
You know, a guy in the Navy, just some random dude,
and he was aware of these UFO sightings. Yeah. I only can imagine
what else is going to come out about this. Eric Davis also said that
there was TIC tech you know events. I think one interview he said Middle
East, another interview he said Asia. But I mean, these tic TACs
are probably getting seen all over the world, and the shapes alone of these
craft, the differences in the shapes is just extremely amazing. Lou at one
point said that people in the know probably thought that the different shape were because
of different functions of the craft. But I think once some of that comes
out, or I hope it does, it's going to be a really really
big deal. Mm hmm. That's so cool. So you had mentioned also
because a lot of these are over the ocean, these cases that we're talking
about. And so your latest blog is UFOs in water, which are also
called USO is unidentified submerged objects. So what was kind of the stuff you
wanted to share in that blog? Basically, I've I've heard these comments.
I heard lou in Italy and one of the questions from the crowd, they
said, you know what, I don't remember exactly how the question was stated,
but you know what were some of the the trends, and he said
nuclear and water, but not necessarily together. We've seen the documentary most people
have. I't remember what it's called now, nukes in oh u Utiful,
that's right. And you know there was the book written UFOs and Water a
while ago. But this seems like a really really big deal. And then
you know the Niemens was over water. All these other encounters were over water.
I don't know if that's we can dispeculate basically why that could be.
We don't know. There was the Ogwoodela. I think I'm pronouncing that right
in Puerto Rico, and you know that might if that thing is real,
then that's as important as maybe the Nimits and gimbal. I would love to
see someone really confirm that one hundred percent as real from the government. The
SCU did a great job with the report on it, and they definitely think
it's real. But it would be great if it was also just kind of
confirmed by lou or someone else. Maybe they didn't take a look at it.
I don't know, or maybe it's classified and sensitive, but it just
seems like over and over again, these water instances are popping up. And
then what really did it was Tom Delong's Instagram post. He said, I
got it right here. Who here wants to meet up and talk about how
a few years ago and unidentified craft was underwater and pinned against the North Atlantic
coast by multiple nuclear attack submarines for over a week. So when he has
a lot of hot takes on his social media, but when he said that,
we all freaked out. I only can hope that that's going to be
included into the show. If they can approve that or just talk about that,
I think it's going to be a big deal. I mean, we
know about uflus in water, I mean in the air, and you know,
obviously people think about him in space, but now if people start thinking
about him in the waters, going to be more fuel on the fire,
get more people interested. What's exciting about all of this too, especially like
with all the things that you're mentioning, all of these things that we're talking
about. Are the situation so fluid, So we're receiving little bits of information
on a regular basis really about all of this, and we know that large
amounts of information are forthcoming, especially when it comes to the History Channel show.
So all of this is unraveling, and that's what's really exciting. That's
why I think that there's no need to be impatient that if you're if you're
paying attention, there's a lot going on. And again that's another great service
that your blog serves is that you know, if other people aren't catching it,
like me or others, George or you know, when we're not doing
anything, you're doing stuff and you're sharing more information that tidbits that are get
out and others. Of course, Juliano is great, he's following all of
these interviews and everything. Ufo Joe, who were actually going to have on
the show next week, is transcribing a lot of this stuff in these interviews.
So there's a really Some people have said, oh, we're not fighting
out anything out you know, it's so boring, and it's like, are
you kidding? There's tons of information coming out, There's stuff everywhere. It
does kind of feel like we're calm before the storm. As far as with
the show, we've all been kind of foaming at the mouth because we heard
these rumors that there was going to be a March announcement or an April announcement,
and it just really seems like everything is writing on the show now.
Not that there's massive amounts of pressure, which I think there probably is,
but I'm confident that they're going to deliver. This really seems like it,
and it's only going to be six episodes. I don't know how they're going
to pack everything into the six, but maybe also the show will be this
the jumping off point. And you know, there's so much stuff going on
behind the scenes that we don't know about. I only focus on public comments,
and I only can imagine or speculate on what's happening behind the scenes with
the government with some of these briefings, with these big closed door talks about
trying to get people to come forward. George Knapp yesterday said that maybe one
day a more prominent politician than Harry Reid would come out and talk about it,
because right now, Harry Reid seems to have been the biggest ever in
my mind at least. But I only can imagine what would happen if someone
else came out. You know that we always have rumors about other politicians being
involved, but you know, that might be a huge deal. Or what
if someone came out and said that they were an experiencer that was in the
high position. I mean, I think it would change everything. Someone that
everyone trusts, that you know, you can't just kind of like shake off
as being a crazy person if they came out and said that they were an
experiencer. You know, I think that would change a lot. And a
lot of people have said that they've seen craft that were famous, but I
think if someone really came out and said they were a legit experiencer, it
would change a lot of things too. So another story. We only have
a few minutes left, but you had mentioned Diana Pasolka and she wrote this
book recently, American Cosmic UFOs, Religion and Technology, and she comes up.
She shows up in your article about the meta materials, which is another
thing that we're going to learn more about another whole area of all of this
that is really exciting, and maybe we'll just do another show where we can
talk about some of that stuff. But how does she fit in? Well,
Doctor Pisoka was taken to a crash site from the forties. She has
extremely high connections and she was able to go there with a scientist and they
found some pieces. There's a but basically she was given impeccable access to write
her book, and her book to me, changes a lot of things if
you read it and also read between the lines. I just I can't stress
that enough. You know, there's stories of scientists in her book doing current
work on some of these meta material Meta materials they don't think they were made
in this universe. They look up. She describes them as frogs, can
at least one of them. And just simple fact that she was able to
go there and get shown this stuff makes me wonder just exactly what's going on.
A lot of people think of to the Star's Academy as the main group,
and they totally are, But there is other people doing all this kind
of amazing stuff, and there's other work being done with meta materials. So
I think if it's going to be coming from more than one place, it's
even better to convince the skeptics, and the more scientists that are involved,
the better. And I think that's also one of the goals of To the
Stars Academy, is to get politicians to start talking about this and get the
scientific community to start talking about this, when previously they thought that, you
know, they weren't allowed to or it was silly, or they would get
in trouble if they did it. And once it's okay for everyone to start
talking about this, it's going to be a game changer. And I think
that's already happening from to the Stars and from Diana Posoca and other people like
that. I agree with you one hundred percent that we see this happening and
there's no doubt about it. And that's what's great. And I maybe that's
what some people are concerned about, is that the conversation is now reaching another
level and you have these credible scientists, you know, and retired officials and
so forth now getting involved politicians, and they're worried about getting left behind.
But you know, your blog is a demonstration of just someone having an interest
being able to get involved, and then also being able to get in touch
with all of these people and get their cooperation to help you to share more
information. Yeah, I'm amazed that how welcoming a lot of people are.
You know, people will talk to you every once in a while at least,
and the answer your emails. Every once in a while, I get
ghosted, like a lot of other people do. Want I send out emails
and out hear back. But at the same time, there's a lot of
people that will talk to you, and I just kind of I feel like
everyone should be getting involved no matter what they're doing, whether they're telling their
family or they're jumping on social media or they're writing a blog or whatever they're
doing. As long as they're doing incredibly and they're citing their sources and things
like that, I think there's a lot of grassroots involvement that people can be
doing. I'm just I can't wait to see what this TV show does,
because if the New York Times article did some thing and good all of us
involved. This TV show is going to do it, and it's just going
to get waves of more people involved in talking about this right exactly, So
the last thing because we're pretty much out of time, but I do on
that last topic. We were talking about the meta materials, and you were
talking about others, you know, how getting involved in having materials like Diana.
You know, another name that you have in your blog story is of
course Jacques Valet, who's been in this field for decades, you know,
one of the godfathers of the field, and he's also you know, behind
the scenes dropping clues here and there. Yeah, I mean Vallet, you
have to read all of this stuff. It's it's a must. And they
have a bunch of these pieces. Doctor Putoff said, it is sec S
s S talk. You know, a lot of this stuff is costafied and
they can't talk about it. But there's also a lot in the public realm.
And that's what it seems like Josh really has with the scientist he's working
with. He's working with doctor Gary Nolan as well, and what they're doing
is going to be incredible. And I think they'll hopefully come out with some
of their things, and you know, hopefully to the stars will and various
other people. So, like I said, this meta material results. If
we're getting everyone on board with it, it's going to be a game changer.
And I'm sure people that don't believe it. They still won't, but
people that are more open minded, they're gonna be able to see some of
this these scientific results and just get on board and freak out basically about it.
Mm hmm. Exciting stuff. So the time absolutely flew by. Thank
you so much for being on Silver Record dot com is where you guys can
go and look at this, say, can you give us any sneak peek
into something that's coming up next that you're you're working on. Let's see.
Probably not, Actually I don't think I should because it may give me into
some trouble. But I'm hoping to have a video, not an exclusive video,
but a video from an experiencer that this experiencer thinks is credible and I'm
hoping to highlight that that that I can say. So I'm working on that
one. Okay, Yeah, if anyone has stories, hit me with them
and send them to me and I'll look into it. Sounds good. Thanks
for the little clue there. But you know, there's that whole other article
you have on experiencers and I did want to get into that, but we
just didn't have time. But we'll have to hit on that another time.
So thank you so much for joining us and we'll be in touch. Thank
you, Alejandro, You're a real role model for all of us, So
thank you for what you do and you get the best podcast going. Thank
you so much for saying that. That's very very appreciated. Thank you so
much to Danny for being on the show. Be sure to check out his
website silvarecord dot com. That's Silva record dot com for all of those stories
that he talked about, much more on those underwater objects and TTSA and a
whole bunch of other stuff that he's written about, so check it out.
We only touched on the surface, and of course I'll be much more that
we'll review over time. But you know, another place that we're all on
quite a bit is Twitter. I know some of you don't get on Twitter,
but you know the way I use it, the best way is kind
of as a news feed. So you go follow the people that you like,
make a list where they're all in there, and then you get to
see and keep updated on all of this information and it's to the second or
to the minute. So that's why I love Twitter, and we're on there
quite a bit. Another person who's on Twitter is Ufo Joe. Some of
you may know him. He's another guy just like Mike who we had on
last week and Danny who we had on this week. Ufo Joe is also
following all of this on a regular basis, just like Danny. He's transcribing
different interviews, he's sharing stories that some of us are missing, really great
stuff. So we'll have him on next week. So very exciting kind of
all these new guys coming out and sharing information and paying attention to all of
this exciting news that is coming out about UFOs and then the government and everything.
So it's an exciting time. You know, there's another story too,
I forgot to write about or tell you all about. I wrote a story
and I posted it on my Patreon about the Condon Report. So some of
you may know that Project Blue Book ended in nineteen sixty nine, and the
reason they say the closed it is because of the Condon Report. In fact,
if you go to the National Archives, that's what it'll say, we
close Blue Book because of Condon. So a lot of people feel like and
the Air Force tries to make it seem as though the Condon Report was the
end all be all. Took a scientific look at the topic and it was
done. They figured, hey, there's not much to this, we don't
have to waste our time with it. But that's not how the Condon Report
actually ended. There were lots of doubts by people inside, by their colleagues
outside. And so I wrote an article about this. And the reason why
is that there was an article fairly recently about the Scientific Coalition for Upology.
I meant a couple of weeks ago in Alabama, and this author took that
kind of angle. He was like, why are we wasting our time on
this? We keep wasting our time on this. This was all figured out
years ago. Well, no, it actually wasn't necessarily figured out years ago.
And if we have an unidentified object aircraft in our airspace, certainly that's
something that we're going to want to investigate until we figure out what it is
and what Lou Alizondo and all these guys are saying that they have investigated them
and they can't figure out what they are. And that's why there's a mystery
and something to look into. So definitely check out that story. It's on
my pageon if you go to Patreon and push Alejandro t rohaih you'll find it,
but you also will find links to it on open Minds, on my
blog allehandro tro host dot com, or in the show notes below, depending
on the tool that you're looking at. And then I'm also going to have
links to that from open Minds and from everywhere else, so you'll be able
to check that out. But that's kind of a fun story that I would
love for you to see, and it's really helpful. So if people say,
hey, didn't they figure that out, you know, back in nineteen
sixty nine, Well not necessarily, and here's why. And these sources that
I give you are all credible source, scientific organizations or people inside of the
condon report themselves. So this is all credible stuff, not just some random
UFO dude saying hey, it's a bunch of grip, So check that out.
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We've kind of we're going to have like a better ticketing system and some other
stuff that is taking more work than expected. But we'll have that information out
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to thank Danny for being on the show. I want to thank Caleb Hanks
for the opening and close music. I want to think Systematics for the bumper
music. And of course I want to thank you for listening. Until next
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