Hey, I'm gonna begin the Friday night call in show here on the third
day of November twenty twenty three. I'm gonna begin it with maybe a little
music just to get things rolling. This is a track from Cirrus Minor and
it's called You're Kidding Me. You've probably heard it before if you listen to
the network regularly, and it is a decent song. I still don't have
enough stuff for the short attention span DJ theater, waiting on people to send
me some more MP three suggestions, original sound clips, everything that they can
so we can get the regular DJ shows going. But I am live here
on a Friday. I think I'm tweaking, turning down our volume on the
mic and a few other things here adjusting levels where it's almost ten after eight
pm Eastern time here on this particular Friday, and we're hamping up getting ready
to go to Dallas. So we'll be talking to you about that in a
second. But in the meantime, this is Serrus Minor with the song You're
Kidding Me on Ocelli dot Com Radio. Friday Night open Mic is about to
begin, and uh you can join us three one nine five two seven five
zero one six, that's the number to call. Stick around. I'm come,
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me? Yeah, yeah, you're kidding me. Well, then wold nur
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could come up. Awa, it's a gay way drug and leads to other
substances. You're kidding me. Your kidding me? Yeah, yeah, you're
kidding me. Well, more more people putted down, but we got that
before my decided. It's getting around. Well, what I be lied coming
now might be me because no one ever died from smoking weed? Your hair
are your kiddening me? Are you a kidding me? Yeah? Yeah,
yeah, you're kidding me. Red mothers considering majority the authority to the hot
people like you and me? You're kidding mean are your kidding me? Yeah,
yeah, yeah, are your kidding me? Well? More more people
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what of l darling? Now my baby, because no one ever died from
smoking? Were you're kidding me? Are your kidding me? Yeah? Yeah?
Yeah, young kidding me, young kid. So there is Aaron Franz's
digital version of Raining Blood, the Slayer song by the Bye that is playing
underneath me. But the first track was serious minor with the soil. You're
kidding me? Uh? Anyway, we're gonna get the phone show started.
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hell it's an oldie but a goodie. I figured it'll take that out and
dust it off and play it for you. We are live on a Friday
night, and it's just about seventeen minutes after the hour of eight pm Eastern,
if you're hearing us live on Friday, November third, according to that
thing we call a calendar allegedly right or allegedly according to that thing we call
a calendar works any which direction you want to use it. It's supposed to
be November third, according to that thing, and it is just after eight
pm. We'll take this to at least after ten pm, depending on the
volume of calls, et cetera. We've already got one or two on the
line, so I'm gonna get to them as quickly as possible. And I've
got a co host on Friday nights, that is b Pete, who is
also going to be on the road with me in let's see about twelve days
from now, maybe thirteen days twelve or thirteen days from now, we'll be
on the road. Actually, you'll leave probably the day before get to me.
I'm not sure about the plan just yet. I'm thinking you're probably gonna
come to me the night before, and then we'll leave the morning of the
next day to get there by the night. I guess in Dallas. Is
that the idea of BPTE partly much? Yeah, because it so it's like
eight and a half hours down to you, and then it's like, well,
no, it's like eight hours to you from where I am, and
then it's twelve hours and forty four minutes to Dallas from their place. Is
that depending on how you drive or is that like the standard? If you
do sixty miles an hour, that's about how you're going to land. Well,
that's just based out on maps. You know. It's plus you're changing
time zone. So oh right, yeah, so that'll vary and we'll slide
back by what one hour because Central will change it by an hour? Right,
yeah, Dallas is an hour back. The thing is, though,
you would you go one way, it takes you from Making up through Atlanta.
If you go the other way, you go straight from Making to Montgomery
and don't even go through Atlanta. I don't even want to mess with Atlanta
if I don't have to, Well, you woul hit Atlanta before you hit
me. Atlanta's north for me, I think right now, because when I
come to I'll come to Augusta Augusta. Yeah, I'm not going to Charlotte
down. I'm taking ninety five down. So I'll cut across South Carolina and
I'll go through Augusta, Georgia. So I hit making instead of going through
Atlanta. Well, take an I ninety five all the way down the entire
shore. I know works best. I mean where I live now would have
not even been a stopover for me if I was going from Jersey to Florida
in the old days. But yeah, ninety five is probably the way to
go. Now here's the thing. Notice, I don't know where the hell
I am. I don't know where the hell anything is. So you realize
you're taking a blind guy, throwing him in a car, and he's your
co pilot all the way to Texas. Right, Oh, I'm not worry
about that. I mean that's I didn't find a good stretch of highway and
let you drive. Well, okay me, you know you feel like risking
your life. I mean it's it's worth it. I got an insurance,
a rental, I'll get the insurance. Who cares? Wait a minute,
are we doing rental? I thought we were taking your car. I don't
know almost see what a rental cost. I mean, it's it's like twelve
hundred miles. I'd put twenty four hundred miles on my car round trip.
I just ran a fucking car and make sure I got enough room for all
your shit. All right, Hey, look, I've got a way to
compact it, and we'll figure it out, because if you come here the
night before, uh well, we'll figure out what we're taking. I'm not
sure if I can take the broadcast rig I was thinking about that, maybe
not taking it and trying to take stuff that we could take videos to pull
the videos together after the fact, you know, which was funny because I
was talking to a presenter today like via email who didn't realize that I'm gonna
be at the conference and it's going, well, I'm gonna be speaking at
Lancer. I'm like, well, okay, so I'll be introducing you and
you know, and they're not sure up to this date, by the way,
if they're actually gonna be there in person or if they're gonna do via
zoom. You notice there's a couple of speakers on there that are to be
announced or to be determined as to whether they're gonna be in person or not.
Yeah, I noticed that when I looked at it a while back.
If they updated everything is itsy got more info on it on people that have
decided which they're gonna do. Well, they updated a couple of things.
I think Vince Palmyra decided he's not going to the conference. Uh and by
the way, you know, we're not just going to talk about the conference
tonight. Anything that you guys want to bring up. It's open field still.
And I sent a couple of articles over to b Pete, which was
funny because I started I sent him a bunch in a row and he goes,
now, you're spamming me. Well, no, I only would know
when you threw the one out there with Gene Simmons and Kiss on their final
tour. That's when I said you were spamming me. Oh well, I
thought you'd find that. You always find music news interesting. I do,
but Gene Simmons just I don't know. I after their third album he started
getting annoying. Uh. No, I've just not kept up with them very
much since. Well, No, I take that back. What was Destroyer?
That was their fourth album? Yeah, it was a live album.
I gotta look backward. No way Destroyer would have to be after the live
album. I think yeah, Destroyer was after the uh was it after?
Yeah? And then I'm gonna have to pull up a kiss Discussions to Kill.
Dress to Kill was their last album before the live album, and Dressed
to Kill I thought was a very good album. Had they tweaked a couple
of things, but it was a very good album. Then the live album
came out, it was awesome. But after that, Oh, what was
the one I had love going on it? Yeah? Well, love Gun
I think is on Destroyer, Right, isn't that on because that's the same
one with no No love Gun is on the album love Gun. Right.
Yeah, let's look the album was love Gun. Yeah? That was their
what third album? Well, let's second album. Well, let's look here.
According to their discography that I see on well, unfortunately, the best
listed one is on Wikipedia. That's the easiest accessible one, which I hate
Wikipedia. But anyway, they had a self titled album in nineteen seventy four.
But Hotter than Hell, sorry, Hotter in Hell, that's the one
I'm saying. That was their second album. That also Dress Kill. Yeah,
that also came out in seventy four. Then Dressed to Kill was seventy
five, Destroyer and Rock and Roll Over in nineteen seventy six. Remember the
days when you know, they used to see albums only had eight songs on
them. So you know the album that they released today, the CD that
they would have released twenty years later, had two albums on it. Usually
it had like sixteen songs, and some of those albums only had eight songs
on them, depending on the link to the songs. Right. So anyways,
Destroyer, then Rock and roll Over, then Love Gun, Let's See,
then Dynasty, then Unmasked. Wait, they're not listing Alive, are
they? Oh, it's studio albums. That's why it's showing me studio albums
as listed. Where is live? Because then you got to basically look at
the live albums. Let's see solo albums in seventy eight? Okay, live
albums. Alive the first one was released in seventy five, so that means
that it was released the same year as Dressed to Kill. So yeah,
Alive is either their third or fourth album depending because let's see, dress to
Kill was released March nineteen of seventy five, and Alive is said to have
been released September tenth, so Alive is actually their fourth album, right yeah,
that's their fourth album. Okay, So Live is their fourth album,
and Destroyer is their fifth album, right okay? Yeah. Destroyer was the
next album after There We Go. Okay. I was wondering, where where
the hell are the live albums, and then they tried to recapture that.
I love the fact that they did the solo albums in seventy eight two.
That's funny. Uh. You know, there's certain live albums out there that
when you listen to them, like oh crap, green Grass and High Tides
All Loss. You listen to it, and then you listen to them,
either live or another recording, and you think, man, it just doesn't
sound like it did on that album, that first live. You know,
there's there's just certain live albums out there that do that to you. Frampton
comes along, but you can't replicate that on another recording of another concert.
I mean, they nailed that album well. And what's crazy is most of
those are mixes and remixes. I mean they record the stuff in separate tracks
usually, and then they take it and they remix it and mix in audiences
from different shows. All kinds of weird stuff goes on. Yeah, there's
a few out there that were actual though raw recordings. I mean yeah,
they dressed them up, made them look good, but still the music in
it was pretty much raw. They didn't do much to the music and edity.
Yeah, so it's right, and there's actually a whole series. It's
so funny because if you look at Kisses live albums, they had three live
albums from that one in seventy five to then one in ninety three. A
lot of three was done in ninety three, and then you got kiss Unplugged
in ninety six, which I liked, by the way, but uh it,
Yeah, it was a good sound for being an unplugged sound, but
a lot of their stuff was kind of hard to do unplugged anyway. Then
they have a series that they call Off the Soundboard. See, there was
a time there where people wanted the single show, you know, just give
me this show. And who was it, Pearl Jam or one of those
nineties Seattle bands turned around and started releasing individual shows as albums. I forget
which band did it. It was either Pearl Jam or Soundgarden did that for
a little bit. And then of course kiss also very many compilation albums,
right box sets, all kinds of crazy stuff. One thing you can't say
for Kiss is that there wasn't enough merch out there to get you know what
I mean, Like A Kiss was on everything narrowly? Did they? The
only bad thing about them is is just left with Paul Stanley and Gene Simmons
now and Ace Freeli and Peter Chris had played with him since the early two
thousands, playing around two thousand and two, so it's not I don't know,
it's just not the same. But like I said, I lost it
interest after Destroyer. I kind of faded away, was on to something else.
Got you well anyway, So you lost interest when I was about three
years old on that. So let's see, maybe I was four. Let's
say Destroyer seventy six. Yeah, I was four years old. Sorry,
and Rob remember seeing them on TV the first time, and I thought,
you know, these guys, this is different. This is gonna take it.
This is either going to be a big hit or a big miss.
See. The first thing that I saw on TV with them was crazy.
It was called The Phantom of the Park or something like that. It was
like this weird movie where they were sort of I don't know, they were
interdimensional superheroes or some nonsense. I was really little, I said when I
saw it. Yeah, they first they first came on the ABC had a
program called Him Concert, and I think later on they were on Don Curser's.
Yeah, sure, I know they started on in concert. That was
a good show. Whish they bring that back. That was a cool show.
It was. I loved My My, My, VHS and Black Sabbath
for many years. I had the don Kershner in concert. And also,
what is it? I heard something the other day and Ozzie's song on a
Was it a Kentucky Fed chicken commercial? Oh? No, my god.
As soon as I saw it, I thought of you and thought, well,
there's the end of an era. Well it's Applebee's I think, yeah,
you know, and you know what, but that I'm don't worry.
The trauma had already set in. I'm good and set You know why because
they used crazy train. Not only that, they use crazy Train in sports
arenas now. Oh yeah, yeah, you hear it some of these basketball
games and stuff like that. You'll hear it in the background when they're going
to a break, right, And I think, yeah, that's perfect.
You know, it's kind of funny I was watching it was a KFC commercial
the first time I heard Leonard Skinner commercial, and I thought, it's the
end of the world that, you know, Armageddon cannot be yep. But
the thing is Ozzie was Ozzy was already used for like they first licensed him
for a car commercial Crazy Train a while ago. Oh yeah, and I
was just like wow. And that to me was like, okay, so
I'm definitely officially old now because something that was made when I was a kid
that was part of a rebellious dark you know, oh scary stuff. You
used Ozzie Osbourne. You must be you know that was a satanic panic and
all that, And nowadays it's like, nah, it's background for your side,
orders your side. The time of the last big record burnie mm hmm
yep. Oh god, I really haven't had one since then. I'll tell
you what I'm looking at. I'm looking at the Kiss meets the Phantom of
the Park synopsis on Rotten Tomatoes, just like part of it. Uh yeah,
they're comic book. I bought their comic book when it came out,
and I thought, this one makes going to need some work. Yeah,
okay, but check this out. Okay, I'm gonna go to the IMDb
listing because it was made in nineteen seventy eight, and I'm going to go
right to the callers after I give you this description, because this was my
first exposure to Kiss. Actually, like I had heard some songs teenagers six
seventy eight. Yeah, I was six years old, and I'd heard,
like I said, some other older kids listening to, you know, probably
Detroit Rock City. I remember get up everybody going, you know, I
remember that one good song. I like this, uh, Detroit Rock City
and the whole thing it plays a there's like a soundtrack to somebody having a
car crash and all kinds of stuff. Anyways, the tale of rock pand
Kiss and their efforts to thwart a diabolical plan by mad scientist Abner Devo.
Devo has found a way to clone humans into robots in his laboratory at an
amusement park. It just so happens that he plans to use the Kiss concert
as a platform to unleash his plan on the world. Kiss must use their
special powers to stop him. That is the synopsis on IMDb. That's how
silly it was, by the way, and I was just like okay,
so that music did in this? Did they ever have a kids show a
cartoon? I don't remember them having a cartoon. I could probably search and
find and probably don't know if it listed it there on IMDb. It would
if they had a TV. Yeah. Well let me let me look,
a lot of people don't know Black Sabbath had a cartoon. I really yeah.
I think they only made like three or four episodes. But there is
literally a copy of a plotin I did not know that. Yeah, like
nineteen seventies. Uh, let's see Kiss cartoon. I don't see anything for
Kiss as a cartoon. Oh okay, I know they had a comic book.
I figured they, you know, did something in conjunction with ABC TV
or something. It's Saturday Morning TV they used to call it, or would
not surprised me. A lot of odd artists had uh good cartoons briefly right
where you know, I mean weird thing like mc hammer had a cartoon,
remember, uh oh I remember that? Yeah, you know, And of
course a lot of a lot of odd people had cartoons. But yeah,
the Black Sabbath cartoon was really ridiculous. I never knew there was there is
there copies out there you can see. I know, I've seen. I
used to see one floating around on YouTube. I don't know if it's still
out there. Let me let me see if I can find I'll yeah,
I'm sure. I mean, I'm not losing my mind, but it I'm
not sure how many episodes were made, or if it was only released in
England. I'm not sure, but that could be it was. You say
it was Black Sabbath, not Ozzie. Yeah, no, it's Black Sabbath.
It's back. Yeah. Oh, nineteen seventy four is when they made
this thing, and there is a Black Sabbath cartoon. Let me see if
we go to the YouTube tube listing for it. Maybe it shows the whole
na. I don't know if it shows the whole thing, but there's at
least three minutes of it on here, and one of the cartoon flashback.
Yeah. One of the scenes I remember is Ozzie humping like some island girl
real quick. So I don't think it was really meant for kids entirely.
But then again, they have different sensibilities in the UK, or at least
they used to on TV. So uh, this might be a sound clip
from that, let me see it. But Okay, here we go that
this was their actual voices. Nothing like a little Hawaiian vacation after a successful
tool, right Tony, Oh you know it, Ozzie, what are you
doing? I'm trying to find me special Hawaii clues. We'll put something on
in the meantime. I'll put on my birthdays on. It probably is royal.
What the flowers? It's cooled a lie? No, see now that
that we're gonna get laid thing. He just jumps on the Hawaiian girl,
starts humping her, and bill Ward is the one grumbling and drinking. So
yeah, clearly this is not a kid's cartoon. But it's the Black Sabbath
Show from nineteen seventy four. I have no idea where this thing actually came
from. I just know it exists. But it does exist, and those
are not their actual voices. Just I can tell that. I wanted to
listen before I told you it was them and wasn't them. But the cartoons
are pretty funny. I'm sure you see the pictures of it already, right
BP Oh yeah, so yeah, that's wild. That is wild. I
never knew that existent. Yeah, thank you, Yeah, it's it's it's
a New Country anyway, enough out of me and enough out of this stuff
in nostalgia with the music I did. This was inspired by the fact that
Kisses on their final tour and I just sent a thing to you about it.
See, I thought they were on their final tour in like the year
two thousand that was supposed to be their big deal, the millennium. We're
going to do this thing. We're all in makeup, and they had gone
for this is what this is is stop there for what how many years have
they been? Because I know, well Little Feet had their fiftieth anniversary a
while back. Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon hit fifty this year,
but we were just covering. We were just covering their discography. So I
mean, honestly, we look at the discography. The first album was in
seventy four, so they're coming right around seventy four to fifty years. Man,
fifty years, yeah, then we're getting old. Yeah that's for sure.
All right, thank you? All right, Pink floyd Dark Side of
the Moon hit fifty that one really so I thought for a minute, I
thought, you know, there's one album. Back when you bought albums would
get worn out or get scratched, or you know, your buddy would drop
the ball and hit the tone arm and you'd have to go buy another copy.
And I think Dark Side of the Moon. I think I went through
like four or five copies of that over the years, right before I finally
ended up with one that's in perfect condition. Gotcha. I've added Advance to
the conversation because I can't seem to get I can't seem to segue to the
callers. So I just grabbed Vance and I've thrown him on because he's been
waiting the longest. Good evening, Vance, How you doing, man,
I'm doing great. Are you all right? All right? And I see
other callers already. I'll get to you in order, and let's see.
I think next up will be Harlan, So prepare yourself, Harlan. I'll
drag you on as quick as I can. But anyway, Vance, Yeah,
so far we're talking music. Uh, and god knows if we'll get
to other news tonight or anything else. But what's on your mind? Oh,
you know, there's a whole lot on my mind. I don't even
know that you know what my grace or nationality or you know, I'm confused
about a whole lot of things lately. But on that song, he played
the beginning song the intro. I found out earlier this week or last week.
I can't remember what podcast is on, but whoever it was to be
an interviewed whatever brought up the fact that Eli Lily did his thesis when he
was graduating from you know, pharmacy school or whatever, you know, doctorate
or whatever that that supposedly he wrote his thesis on the benefits of what the
medical community at the time was calling the wonder drug or the wonder plant or
whatever. And then when he found out that, you know, it was
marijuana, because right when they start, when they before they decriminalize, that's
when they were really study in it, you know, and the difference between
you know, and they called it cannabis tativa instead of you know, marijuana,
and they didn't even realize that, you know, that's what they were
talking about till it was like already being criminalized and people went to court saying,
oh, there's all kind of wonderful benefits from this you know plant and
all. But anyway, supposedly he was that his uh, he wanted to
be like, you know special and you know, make this you know statement,
you know that what you know about the important you know, new new
study or whatever. And then when he found out that it was only like
four cents, you know for a pound or whatever at the time, and
there wasn't really any way to make money on it because everybody can grow it
in the backyard, well he switched over to you know, the Rockefeller Science
or whatever. So I just thought that was interesting that that's true. I
haven't researched, you, right. I always thought that was the primary problem
is that it was way too dirt cheap. Uh, you know, so
even if it was remotely useful, it was dirt cheap. That was the
problem. How are you going to prop it on it if you can grow
it in your backyard, you know. But then again, I don't know.
We've been through a weird kind of phase with this in the past hundred
years, you know, going from having it declared you know, the Schedule
one super dangerous drug. I mean, how long ago was reaper madness and
such? That's that's another question. Well, for God's sake, when the
World War two started and they had outlawed it and all that, and we
were getting all our hemp and everything, that from Japan or whatever at the
time, and then we couldn't get any and so they had all the FFA,
the high school FFA departments grow what they called the seed crop to the
distribute it to the farmers to grow it, you know, so they could
make the ropes and the you know, parachute cords and you know all the
stuff that you know, it's made from hemp and you know everything that you
know, throughout our history in the United States, you know, most everything
is made out of help you know. So it was you know, it's
always been a major foundation of any civilization, you know, for thousands of
years. And they because it was going to it was going to take away
money from the oil industry and the paper industry and there's some other industry has
not coming to me now, but you know that's what it was all about,
was you know, being able to keep their market safe and not have
people the access to something that they can provide themselves, that can offer nutrition
and food and fuel and you know practically anything you'd need. The hand report
built a car you know, out of hemp that ran on help fuel,
and you know that just goes away, you know, well, and there
you go. I mean, most of us have been alive for half of
the trajectory. Between nineteen thirty six is when Reaper Madness was put out allegedly
according to multiple sources. Uh, refor Madness, you know, the exploitation
film where people were just nuts. It was gonna make women, you know,
tear off their clothes and somebody jump out a window and people kill each
other and all kinds of craziness uh in that movie. Right, So and
we've gone for that was William Branda first that with all the yellow journalism,
you know that that's you know kind of where that got to be a popularized
thing, like in America anyway. Yeah, And I mean nowadays, you
know, there's open source copies of it everywhere on YouTube, on every video
platform pretty much has a copy of refor Madness, the trailers, all that
stuff. But it's a weird trajectory because in less than one hundred years we
go from that to now there is a whole new industry built around it.
Uh. You have the different states that decriminalized, you know incrementally that went
from you know, legalization for medical use and so on as so for it's
like we live in a different time period now. I'm thinking, but is
it any better now that bigger corporations actually have control of the plant? You
know, they did figure out a way to monetize it quite well. Now
you got to go to the dispensary because if you try and just you know,
sell among yourselves, it's still a problem because tax issues and such,
even though technically speaking, the federal government can't tax it because it's an illegal
substance, right, you can't have tax on illegal It's a weird thing.
Like this is why banks don't didn't want to carry the money from the dispensaries
in Colorado and stuff to start with, because they're like, hey, we
can't have marijuana business in our banking you know, we're here to you know,
launder drug money for like cocaine and stuff. We can't be doing this.
What's the matter with you? Yeah? Good? Sorry. It's like
you know, in the song, you know it misses no one's ever died
from smoking weed, you know, and so it's like, you know,
this it makes you know, no sense at all all. You know that
they want to and it is definitely not ethical, moral, or legal for
them to. Well, I guess to leave. I guess we've got to
get to know all those terms or whatever. But you know, there's there's
no there's no reason they should have any say in anything, what you grow
in your backyard, what you do with it, where you put it,
you know, whatever that you know, that's just that's that's insane, you
know. I mean, this is like saying nobody can grow corn except you
know, unless we say so or whatever. It's like, you know,
I don't even understand the why anybody still accepts that premise. And and you
know, I mean I know a lot of people, and I've been smoking
pot for a long time, and I don't know anybody that's ever died from
pot. I don't know anybody that's ever you know, harmed anybody while they
were on pot, you know, you know in any you know, maybe
in a joke or something, but you know, uh yeah, it's just
you know, it's insane. But you know, here we are, where
we are now where you know, they're crying over words and you know,
pronouns, and well, the funny thing is that the only people that I've
ever known to die related to you know, cannabis or marijuana or or you
know, and I hate the term marijuana becau it's actually a racist term anyway.
But the only people that I've ever known to have died over a cannabis
circumstance is because of the black market attachment to it, not because of the
substance itself, but because you know, you have illegal meetings and somebody ends
up with a lot of cash, and somebody gets robbed or somebody wants to
steal their supply. This kind of thing goes on. But it's only because
it's black market. I mean, if it was, you know, just
again something that was well, grow your own, you know, here's your
grow your own set, take it home and just plan it, you know,
give you a little bit, grow it in a box kind of thing
instead of taking a fish tank home, grow it in a terrarium. Right.
If you did that and stick this in your backyard and that kind of
thing, if that was just commonplace, nobody would care anybody over it.
You know. It's it's the weirdest thing because you know, one of the
things that they said, when you know a few years back, when when
people were making these arguments, was like, well the cartel's benefit off of
this, yeah, take it out of their hands. If it is just
commonplace, if it's nothing if it's as common as a chocolate bar, and
then yeah, you got to deal with shoplifters. That's a little different than
you know, people literally killing each other over it, or the amount of
profit that can be made off of the black market. But now it's a
weird circumstance, like like I said, these places, these people are paying
outrageous rates to go to a dispensary to get the legally clean stuff now in
the legalized states, right, It's just it's a weird kind of transition where
it seems like progress, but it's suspiciously corporatized, you know. Anyway,
Vance, So I'm gonna put you on hold temporarily so we can get around
to everybody. Right now, We've got let's see, I've got Harlan on
the line, so I'm gonna bring him on next. And we've also got
Cap and Trips on the skype. So I want to get around everybody as
fast as I can, and you listening out there can join us at three
one nine, five, two seven five zero one six. So Harlan,
maybe you didn't want to talk about cannabis, but there you are. You're
on the air. Well, I am I just did put far to the
end of the Marlboro right now, Marlboro Black Richard, Virginia got it.
Didn't have any pot stories or anything. But I appreciate man's bringing that up,
telling us about him something. I'm I'm all for legalization, don't myself.
I don't make some of that good thc O. I've heard so much
about that way. I'm already old. I just ain't got to the park
whe I'm sick yet. But that way, when i'm my old and sick,
I'm getting something that good. Though. Well, you know, I'm
can stay away from the Hey, look, you don't got to be sick.
Well, you don't got to be sick. Now. You can go
online and just order Gummy Bear if you want. You don't even got to
smoke at no, not if you've got a sleep DYO, you can't.
Oh that's right, Yeah, any amounts and the DOT drug test. I
mean, it's the same thing if you've been smoking a grass. But you
know I'll wake you, that's true. I forgot about the driver's license deal.
Well, yeah, that's unfortunate. That's you know. That's another thing
too, is that I talked to somebody about this just the other day about
if they were injured at work. They work at a retail store and they're
injured at work, Well, if you got that in your system, even
if it's legal in your state and whatever else, Yeah, they're not going
to call the cops on you, but you might be disqualified from you know,
getting workmen's comp or anything else, or maybe you lose your job.
Yeah, which is another thing that you go ahead, no, no,
no, I'm sorry, just sucks. Go ahead as you say what you
want. Well, that's a good point. I don't know how it works
in the states where it has been legalized that and I don't know. I
know Washington was working on a threshold a few years ago for what was,
you know, high and driving and you know, things of that nature.
And I've never asked anybody of you up called it, right, And I'm
out there about every week. I'll see if I can find something out about
that. But probably five or six years ago, I guess it was.
I started hearing different people saying that a lot of places wasn't drug testing,
you know, pre employment drug testing. The first thing came to my mind,
Well, when you get hurt and if it's something to a mouth,
of something other and you've got you know, some of that new system and
you go down there and you have to take a drug test that that's going
to be used against year hit very well could be, yeah, because I
know in you know, safean states, if you're considered I or have you
know, drugs and your system that boarded the workers compensation. From what I
understand, I may be wrong on it now now that's been several years since
I've really looked into well, I know it still does void workmen's comp in
a lot of places and avoids other things too. And here's the thing.
Look, you contract with with your employer. Uh, you made an agreement,
so your agreement has to include that in some way, right, I
mean, even you're it's the law. I don't understand how they got away
with it in Tennessee because from what I had understood that to be a part
of the Tennessee I don't know. I can't remember exactly what the kyle at
Tennessee workplace development or whatever. But you know you had to do drug tests
and and you know things like it, and you know pre employment you know,
and whatever. But it's pretty I'm pretty sure where it's the law in
most states, you've got to take a drug test, you know, after
you've had to home the job, you know, accident or injury. You
know, I guess it's more than a paper cut or you know, something
other. But well, yeah, now i've seen that represented as it's a
requirement because of the insurance that they have. I've never seen that absolutely represented
as a legal issue. They tell you that you legally have to, but
I think that's because you've signed an agreement as an employee. I think that's
what the problem is there, Like you made a contract. That's what it
is. Yeah, I mean, that's my main line. Is what gets
truck drivers is and I don't want to you know, it take ten minutes
to explain it, but pretty much, whether it's the lills are made,
you could somebody could say that, oh yeah, I told him to go
take a drug test when you tiled in and you know, cuss somebody out,
so you're gonna quit, And once you got back and cleaned your truck
out, they could turn you in for you refuse taking a drug test.
I mean asked the way that you know, the dollars are basically you know
in place from what I understand, but you know, it's it's a harsh,
but like when it comes like the accidents and stuff, there's like a
little bit of a threshold there that you know, you have to go do
a scored on how bad it is. If it's like, you know,
somebody bumps into you or something. It's one thing, you know, somebody's
coming through the parking lot here, like I'm parked over here on the edge
of a few miles right now away. Like if somebody came through here and
scrape side of my truck a little bit, you know, it wouldn't you
know, result in anything like that. But if you know he hit somebody
here in the parking lot and take a hood off or something, you know,
I'm sure that's going to be. And you know there's also breathalyzers you
know when that kicks in and things like that. But you know, we
got different you know, schedules for drug testing and want a lot of other
you know different you know, like a factory worker for example, like you
know what be Pay's done where he's in construction, he may have a different
one than what a factory worker does right right, Well, see, but
there's the thing is, it's about liability. I think, which is a
weird nexus of stuff where you have laws that come into play as well as
agreements that you have with your employer. Uh, and there are standards in
industries that are just kind of enforced. And I never quite understand exactly what
people's real position is there what you can be compelled to do, because on
the one hand, somebody will just say, well, that's a law,
but it's not necessarily show me the law. You know, there isn't necessarily
a law that states it. Sometimes however, as a condition of say you
having a particular license, it may be part of that agreement. Right.
Well, yeah, they've got us in a in a federal clearance house now,
and you know that. What I don't understand is is, you know,
they're there's ways that you can fell a drug test where you've not been
let's say, out here, getting higher partying or whatever. And they've got
these programs you can get into and stuff like that. But you know,
some of that, I think it's all according on who it is, you
know what I mean, and what they've done, and you know what's alleged
or you know whatever. But you know, if you've got somebody that's been
out here driving fucked up. I mean, they just need to be cut
completely out. But I think a lot of this clearing house stuff in the
SAP program as they call it, if anybody wants to look into it,
a return to work program, I think that's just a that's just a money
gimmick. You know, if you get caught. It's like somebody was telling
me the other day. We was talking about somebody that had failed to drug
test. But you know, this is what kind of blows my mind.
If you get caught drunk driving, unless say like the illegal which is in
most states is a point of wait, and you blow up point one,
Oh that used to be legal, for example, Well you're gonna be screwed
up for five or six years if you if you're driving, if you have
a CDL, you might as well forget it, forget about it for five
or ten years down the road. Well, if you know you've been out
here, you know, piled up the truck stop for three days, and
you know, smoking in a pot and you know, snorting tails or whatever,
and you go down the road and you know, have a little wreck
or something, or you get piled in, say like a couple of days
later. Once you get back in and you know, for just a random
drug test and you light it up. Well on paper, you could go
through this SOAUTH program spend several thousand dollars and I think it takes a couple
of months. I'm not really certain, because you know, I don't fool
with that kind of stuff. But anyway, we can be right back out
on the road with a lot of places. I don't think that's really fair,
you know, I sthing. I think they should be thresholds, especially
you know on this drinking and driving give me. I think that they've got
got that cut down, you know, way too much. Yeah. But
on the other hand, orlean, I don't think it's fair for somebody if
they, you know, decide to smoke a joint one night and then they
pop a drug test after something happens that isn't necessarily caused by that, you
know, Uh, they smoke a joints later, you know, two days
later, they get into an accident. I mean, it's got nothing to
do with the joint they smoke two days earlier, but it's still in their
system if they got to take a test right then, right, you know,
And to me, it's like, well, it's the same way with
me if I'm around it and breeze it and get it in my system or
any way, okay, and you get pupped for a drug test, it's
like you spent now, you know. If you touch something out here in
public and a little bit of it gets in your system or whatever and you
get popped for a drug test next day or too, well, it's gonna
be well, yeah, we've heard that shit before, you know what I'm
saying. Yeah, Well, unfortunately that's true too. It's a it's a
dark area, you know, because on the one hand, I can see
the argument for like, obviously there are certain things you don't want people to
be having a drug problem for. Okay, Uh, you know, I'm
not so concerned if the guy working in McDonald's has a drug problem. I'm
really not, you know what I mean. But then again, if somebody's
handling a big old truck and they're driving chemicals around or dangerous stuff or whatever,
I'd kind of rather they weren't high, you know. And all I'm
saying is I just think that it's just completely unreasonable. And it's not only
truck drivers that a lot of there's different things you know, under the federal
that is. I'm just saying that they should. They some cat that have
absolutely no tolerance. As much of it is out here today, you know
what I mean, Yeah, there is much it's out in public as much
that's that's so called is main paperle sloiling with it. You've got a lot
more you know, chance coming in contact with it versus what you would have
ten, fifteen, twenty years ago. I think that hav an absolutely no
tolerance. I think it's just that's too much, you know what I mean,
No, I hear you, especially when they drop the they drop the
alcohol rates and all these other things. It's it's I don't know, it's
such a dicey thing where it's just hard to you know, it's hard to
even make a definitive. I mean, i'd love to see a universal standard
for this kind of stuff too, but then again, who's going to enforce
that? And and by the way, you know, is it about the
contract you have because of your employment? Again, that's that's something that I
figured people can work out within reason. But but outside of that, I
don't know, it's it's just such a dicey, messy thing. I'm gonna
put you on hold. Temporarily. Harlan, though, bring you back around
in a minute, because, uh, we got Captain Tripps on the skype,
and uh, I know this is an interesting topic to him, so
I wanted to bring him around again before I get back around to BPTE and
see what he's got to say about any of this. So, Captain Trips,
how you doing, man, I'm doing fine. My answer is f
the state f they're stupid, corrupt regulations. Piss on them all fair enough.
And look I can understand that as well. Yeah, yeah, I
get it. I get the lock I Harlan. I think, and I
could be completely wrong on this, but I think because CDLs, I think,
I think it's not exactly the same. But like the FAA, since
it's a federal regulation, I think it's a fedal rule. I don't think
it's an actual law. I think for as far as drug testing, and
I think that might be the same in healthcare, because the FEDS regulate everything
in healthcare. So I think it's anything the FEDS put their fingers in and
their little minions right there, little you know, right there, little rules
that no one gets to have any say in. I think that's how they
get away with it, although and you certainly get the other side of the
argument. You don't want someone driving around a tanker truck full of full of
flammable liquid. That's that's just hit the bong and you know, threw down
a six path before here she got behind the wheels. No, I get
it. I get it too. And the thing about the FEDS and regulating
this stuff, I think with the rules in a lot of cases are based
on, look, we give you a license, so if you break our
rules, we can take your license away. I mean, I think that's
the game that's played, which is a little different than a law per se,
right where you violated that way it is in healthcare, Yeah, and
that's I know they do that in healthcare, that's for sure. Yeah,
But it's you know, it's very it's very similar. And I've never had
I never had any issues, but I you know, or have been in
this field long enough that I've known my fair share of people who have,
and yet they don't. They don't, at least in healthcare, they don't
generally take your license away. For a first sense, you got to go
through all the you know, the rehab and the training and the you know,
jump through all the hoops, and it's probably very similar. If you
read a big enough check, they'll push you through quicker, right see.
But like he was saying, it's that program they have for truck drivers right
where it's like, if you pay a bunch and you pay a couple thousand
dollars in this and that, you can get into a program where you'll probably
be able to get back on the road quickly. And isn't that the case
where and here's the thing again, there's two sides to that where it's like,
look, you're contracting with them to get a license to do something.
So therefore, what am I to say about it? You know what I
mean? Uh, you have your choice. You can go into another business,
can't you. You know, I know that sounds ridiculous, But at
the same time, what are you gonna do? But it's way more complex
than I think a lot of people like to represent it. Same time,
though, the last thing you want is an anesthesiologist who is uh, you
know, two stone to read his own notes or something, because boy,
that can suck real quick. And I know I know because I had an
anasthesiologists one time when I was getting shots in the back. I was getting
those you know, those epidural shots they were doing for us. Well,
no, not the cortizone, the epidural thing where they actually tap you and
they you know, you actually got to go in and you got to be
there for a while and they go in and so they first give you a
drip of some benzo cocktail which the anesthesiologist has to deliver to you. And
apparently they did something where it's supposed to be you know, this amount of
times three, and they did something like times three times three, which was
because I had a high tolerance, it should have went times three, which
would have given me, you know, hypothetically three times the dose that they
would normally recommend for somebody because of my tolerance levels. I don't know what
the equation should have been, but you see, if you multiply that by
three times, now you're approaching a lethal level. So they shot me up
with this, and they were monitored and they they you know, and you
also know, it's an interesting case where they're monitoring your you know, your
heart rate and your your oxygen levels. They got a thing on your finger,
they're monitoring your oxygen, they're monitoring your heart you can hear you know,
the beep beep. It's almost like a surgical situation, but you're kind
of just in a twilight because of the benzo cocktail. Right. Well,
anyway, they give you that by IV. Well, I remember I'm laying
there and all of a sudden, I was like, oh, I don't
feel good, and people ran from all corners of the facility to attend to
me because apparently my heart rate kind of just about when flat and uh so,
and there's an and I'm not saying my anesthesiologist was high. I'm just
saying that was a mistake that they made, and they were really really happy
that they didn't have to resuscitate me. Really, they were actually able to
bring me around pretty quick because again high tolerance for some odd reason. But
they gave me the kind of dose where like somebody could easily be slipped into
a medical coma. And I was like, I mean, I remember the
lights went strange and I went into slow motion mode, you know, like
the world slowed down, and I went, oh, this is good.
That was you know, my world for a minute, and it was yeah,
somehow they had done Okay, we want to give them three times the
normal dose, but they did that three times three times, which apparently ends
up with twenty seven times average dose. I don't know how it works,
but I don't know how the paperwork works, trips. But maybe you're more
familiar with this than I am. But because you've assisted in surgeries, I
know that, right. Oh yeah, And I do. I do conscious
dation. I administer consciousnation. And in my world, believe it or not,
if you're doing surgery at the bedside on a knee in eight typically you
don't really want anesthesia messing with the baby. No, No, we usually,
we usually do. I mean I've I've played anesthesiologists more than my fair
share of times. So yeah, I mean it it depends on the you
know, when it how long ago was it too? This was? How
how many years back? Are we talking? Probably two thousand and four or
five? Okay, yeah, yeah. So a lot of the a lot
of the current I don't want to say sales case, but a lot of
the current safety mechanisms that are used now that that would prevent that that dosing
error. And that's not to say they don't happen, but it, you
know, they I hate to I hate to pat my profession on the reason.
The reason for that, though, I'll tell you this just really fast,
just to make you understand. The reasoning is that they're gonna stick you
in the spinal in the spine, so if they're going into the spinal cord
directly, they don't want you to move. So that's why they should hate
you. And that's what the point was. I was supposed to be pretty
much immobilized and probably have no memory of it, sort of like what Dennis
do. Okay, And yeah, and I definitely I maintained a memory of
it, and they still gave me my shot, which I thought was funny.
But but first they wanted to make sure that my heart rate, you
know, had gone to this weird level where they feel like I heard it
slow down, And yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't have been I would
have been too keen on sticking a needle in your back. After all that
they have actually been your blood pressure, Yeah, well that dropped pretty bad
too. And I'll tell you what's funny, as I remember, the funniest
part of that is that the the blood that was coming from the the I
V was not done right either. That was the other funny part. But
I mean, they gave me an IV separate to uh to administer that stuff
to me. And I remember looking down, going, that's funny. My
blood's dripping onto the floor from where the I V was stuck in and all
that was going on, like I was observing how slow the blood was moving
because the whole world had slowed down. I was like, Oh, that's
my blood's dripping and this doesn't feel good. That's all I could think of.
Like I wasn't I wasn't even aware of what was happening. Anyway.
One of the one of the one of the most common causes of death in
the hospital is the medical premature being provided with. There you go. No,
I just figured i'd throw that in another fun story from Yes, but
why I don't trust doctors reason number eighty seven. I'd need an old Yellow
Pages to fill out my reason. There you go. But anyway, Sorry,
when you know, when you know how the sausage is made, you
don't want to eat it. Well, that's the other thing you're actually in
this business. That's why I love talking to you about. Anyway, I'm
sorry I derailed your time though. Uh So, okay, cool, Well
let's get back around to be Pete then, and because I don't want to
put him to sleep and my co host needs to get his time in too
interesting topics brought up so far? Be Pete? What do you think?
Okay? Now? Is that your final answer? See? I can't tell
if that's snoring or a bomb? What do you guys think? Is that
snoring? Right? What's the topic? Oh? What is the top?
What are we on? Are we going back to hemp or were going to
We need to legalize hemp. I got a whole bunch of stuff I'm ready
to put in production, but I'm not going to do it because nobody wants
to touch it. Because we didn't enact this imp act until like what twenty
twenty or was it twenty twenty one? The AD Department finally put out their
their rules on it. And the only thing between hamp and the only difference
between hamp and marijuana is the thh content. That's it, right, And
yet they've still got hemp stuck as a Schedule one drug because it's a distant
cousin to marijuana. Right. You know, back during the War on Drugs
is when they started clamping down. They didn't stop hemp production until what the
mid twentieth century, eighteenth, nineteenth century legal stuff made out. In fact,
it was used for sales. I didn't know this. It was used
for sales and ships. And that's where the world canvas. The word canvas
came from, was from the word cannabis. Really, it's weird. I
was not aware of that. Had you ever? Wow? I never heard
that before? Cool was not aware. Yeah, Hemp is apparently a very
useful, multiply multiple purpose fiber for all kinds of stuff, cloth, paper,
it's the strongest I've read a thing just the other day. And I'm
researching this because there's a lot of products that we've used in my business that
could be made out of hemp and be made cheaply in provide jobs for people.
You know, if that's the big thing, it could be a big
industry if they just go ahead and get it off schedule one. But they
won't, and so a lot of people don't want to mess with it because
you have to get your permit from the DEA, and you have to destroy
all your plants over a certain THHC level. It's all this rigmarole you got
to go through. But I read something the other day white I think it's
white spider silk is considered the strongest natural fiber produced him is the strongest plant
based item compared to silk. It's that good. It lasts a long time,
is durability, its strength. But because of these stupid drug laws,
we can't. It's a hassle to try to get in and use it for
manufacturing. You know. It's a shame. And what's wild about it is
I've seen stuff done where they show like a plastic like substance that is made
of hemp, which is really interesting. And years ago I had a guy
on my show that was talking about the concept of hemp crete, which is
like this building out material building. Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of
concrete. I'll give you an example. I know you've seen them. The
huge sheets of gas stations started up in Pennsylvania, work their way down through
here. I don't know, do y'all have them in Georgia sheets? Well,
I saw them in North Carolina and I think one or two here.
Yeah. When they when they do their parking lots, used to store would
come in and pave a parking lot. These guys build it out of about
ten inches of concrete. But in all the concrete mixes they use. They
mix in fiberglass as a strengthening fiber. You can do that with hemp.
You can make soundproofing bricks out of a hemp mixture. Yep, it's it's
so versatile viadegradable plastics. I don't know about ethanol production if they would switch
to him, considering hemp only takes about one hundred days to grow and it
doesn't take much water, and it's not bad on the environment to keep planning
it. It's also a good erosion preventter. But you know, you could
process it and make all of these different products. If you could produce it
for ethanol, corn prices would come down. Course, farmers out there in
Iowa, North Dakota ain't gonna like it, but it could compete with that,
and you'd have so many other products. The price would come down because
the price of corn would come down. You know, there's so many economic
benefits to using him, and it were just crazy for not taking advantage of
that, especially as much agriculture as we have in this country. And it
would bring back manufacturing, and in a lot of cases it would be green
manufacturing. You think it would catch on, but nobody he's got the point
yet. See that's the other thing. What was it the one guy bainer
was it who left Congress right, decided that he was jumping on board actually
with uh, with the hemp business, right, And now it's actually gonna
know he went he went into the he went into the oil business, and
the market got flooded very quick on CBD products. Oh. I know a
guy here that had permits to grow. He grew for two years and then
just ended up couldn't unload his product because there was just a glut on the
market. Everybody jumped into it at once. Yeah, well you would think
that there's enough of it, enough of a demand for it to go around.
Like I said, I mean nowadays even on I don't know how often
do I get these Maybe it's just me, but I get YouTube commercials all
the time now. And at one point I was actually talking to the company
that makes primarily gummy bears, which can tamed all sorts of different levels of
hemp based products, including very loaded THHC stuff that they say is level in
all fifty states now, which I don't understand that because still not legal in
Georgia to my knowledge. But anyway, uh, they're having trouble enforcing it
though in Georgia, which is funny, uh that this idea with the the
yeah, is CBD oil allowed down there? Yeah? Only up to this,
Yeah, only up to a very minuscule level of THHD, like this
super micro amount of THC is allowed in the oil, because you always end
up with a little bit apparently. Yeah, I think it's I think it's
like I think it's it's it's either point three or point oh three percent.
I think you guys are talking about all these this this delta eight and all
these these funky cannabinoids that that these lab scientists have come up with. My
understanding of it is because there's because it's there's the there's the two different plants,
the stuff that you can buy pretty much anywhere now, which is I
think I'll just use the delta eight terms when there's like cdn, CBD,
CDG, all sorts of different letter combinations. My understanding is that it's it's
you know, the molecular structure is just slightly different than tetrahydrocannabinol or you know
what we're all used to is cannabis, Well, it is under the odd
cut. Yeah, the difference is in pot In cannabis marijuana, you have
high concentrations of THHC. In him, you have higher concentrations of the cannabinoids,
which counteracts the effects of the THHC. So it's the only difference between
the two plants is the level of THC of the plant. It's basically the
same plant. Yeah, there is a that's that different molecular structure. The
more cannabinoids versus the more THHC in, the more potent issues. So I
thought a lot of four audiences of him. Yeah, yeah, I knew
that. I thought a lot of these new products though it was a lot
of it was rav contury, meaning you know, you you need to be
you need to have the equipment and be able to process the hemp point to
get these particular subt out of the hemp plant in order to get yeah,
the high that they're looking to make it still legal, Yeah, you do.
It depends because when I talked to my friend, you know, he
was in it for the oil business, he wasn't really familiar with the fiber
end of it, and there's so many industrial uses for the fibers. Yeah,
so he put me on with a guy that's with the North Carolina Department
of Agriculture with them having permits to grow in this state. He's kind of
the liaison between what you got to do to meet the federal requirements because,
like I said, one until what twenty twenty one that the Act Department finally
came out with their rules that will allow you to produce. Yeah, it
was in committee for the longest time. It was supposed to be out in
like twenty twenty. It took them another year because of COVID, but they
still haven't removed the hem classification from Schedule one. Now, somebody, I
don't know whether it was a senator or remember the House, made a comment
that they were going to make a move to try to get it lowered down
the schedule level at the DEA so that I can hear that you could produce.
Yeah, you could produce under certain limits with your permits for different purposes.
But with these states making it legal, though, you may see pressure
to just go ahead and legalize it nationally. I know it's been kicked around
a couple of times. Our state tabled a discussion on making it legal for
I think it's legal for medical per is. The Cherokee Nation up at Cherokee.
North Carolina just voted in medical use, and they I think they're getting
ready to vote in personal use as well. Yeah, we have we have
medical we have medical use here in Florida. And I heard, and I
have not confirmed this, but I heard that we're supposed to have a ballot
referendum in twenty four on recreational use, which would be i'd be interesting to
see here. I'm sure, I mean, I'm sure it'll pass. I'm
just i'd be kind of interesting to see. And I you know what,
I haven't looked into exactly how you can get a ballot referendum in Florida,
because I want to get one on philosophical vaccination jumption. And there's a funny
and there's a funny exception to all of this stuff, which is under believe
it or not, under the Obamacare, you know, under the UH Affordable
Care Act Obamacare, Right, there's this thing they call compassionate medicine, which
is this concept which is statuatorially should allow use for medical purposes in all fifty
states under federal law. But it depends on how you view it. Okay,
It's it's really interesting that part of that law actually kind of opens opens
up the floodgates if somebody applies it, because yeah, there's this idea that
even if you're in a state that doesn't even have the mechanism to get you
that legalization, if you have, like say, a medical marijuana card in
another state, uh, you know, they're supposed to accept it be your
Yeah, which is a weird thing they did, and nobody ever talks about
that part of Obamacare. But anyway, it's an interesting point. Yeah,
go ahead. Sorry. Well, another thing too, a lot of a
lot of companies, insurance companies won the rule when it comes to a business.
Yes, a business will bend over backwards when it comes to what their
insurance company will require of And even though you have it legalized in states,
there was a an a there was one of these talks where they got a
bunch of people together on Zoom or something and they were discussing the legalities of
it and how much the insurance companies were pushing for it, and that's why
you have drug testing in the workplace now. It's simply because of the insurance
companies. But with it being legal in the state, they're falling back on
the federal government and saying well, we don't care. It's still illegal according
to the federal government, and through the federal government, the EA. They
put all of these rules at the Federal Department of Transportation, which covers Harlan
and his situation on not even being able to have a trade show up on
your on your physical, uh, your analysis, and so it's all up
to the insurance companies. Until the Feds changed to the schedule level, you're
not going to see anybody back off. And even then, I don't know
that the insurance companies are going to tell employers it may be legal. We
still don't you know, if if you're employee test positive, you have some
of the liability. M we'll only cover so much because it's their fault.
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Ohhilly dot com. Get Ready, get ready? Second segment of the live
open mic here on a Friday night, and uh that that loud bang noise.
You might hear it again soon, who knows. Uh yeah, I
think somebody's just popping off shots in the neighborhood. But uh, you know,
gotta stay calm. Anyways, Welcome to micking Jojo. Hopefully you're doing
well out there and nobody's doing that near your house anyways. Three one nine
five two seven five zero one six three one nine five two seven five zero
one six. I gotta laugh, you know what am I gonna do?
Anyway? We've talked about Kiss and their discography, We've talked about him,
We've talked about drug testing. A few other things have gone on here.
I guess Vance kind of really got the ball rolling to start with. So
I'm gonna get back around to him. Anybody else wants to join us,
though, three one nine five two seven five zero one six will probably go
to well, let's see what time is it. I don't know. I'm
guessing we'll at least take it to a quarter after ten pm at least something
like that anyway. I don't know if we're going to get another break in,
but we'll do it. We'll do anyways we do, we do.
Yeah, I'm sounding good now, aren't I? All right? So be
Pete? Where should we go next? Should we bring Vance back in?
Get everybody back around to see what they have to say about what was talked
about while they were waiting or what sounds like? B Pete dropped his mic?
Maybe you there? Am I alone? Is anybody out there? Be
Pete? You with me? If you can hear me? Captain Trips,
I can hear you. Okay, let me see. Maybe we'll be Pete.
Let's check. Oh it looks like not showing up on the spe here
we feed the the way it looks at Yeah, we did. We did
lose V Pete. All right, I'm gonna I'm gonna bring him back.
I'm gonna get Vance. Oh there comes be Pete back in again. I
think, yeah, I'm here. There he is, Oh, there he
is. I didn't know what happened. You were just suddenly gone there Vpete.
Sorry, Uh yeah. I went to set my coffee down, set
my hand on the desk, and when I did, I hit the call
in button figures. Go. Yeah, so I was asking you when I
thought I was still talking to you. I was asking you if we should
bring Vance back in. Yes, absolutely absolutely. You didn't know it because
you weren't on the line. But I was coming back from a coffee run.
You were coming back from a coffee run and hanging up on me.
Damn it, No, no, I know. Anyway, Well you did
spam me, so you know, give me a break. I spammed you,
you hung up on me. We'll settle it when I see in about
what twelve days. Anyways, nowhere around there, Vance, Look where you
started. Man, you still did quite a few conversations here. What do
you think. I mean, this is something that needs to be you know,
a major you know, gold to you know push. I mean,
every major civilization on the planet is utilized hemp, you know, not everybody,
the vast majority. And like the Pete said, you know, during
the revolution, in the Civil War, and and you know, all the
ships on all the boats, you know, the sails were made out of
hemp. The ropes were made out of hemp. It took like tons and
tons and tons of hemp to you know, make all this stuff. And
the oil that they burned in the lamps, you know, was hemp oil.
The it's one of the I think they said it's one of the oldest
fun fiber natural fibers on earth. It's like five thousand years ago they were
using it. Yeah, I mean, it's like I said, every you
know, the guys supposedly testified in court you know that was with the A
m A at the time that you know that found out that they were talking
about cannabis and and went there and said, you know, look, well
we just found out you know that y'all are talking about cannabis. You know,
with y'all saying marijuana, you know, we call it cannabis, and
we're studying it, and there's all this beneficial things and they already knew back
then and with its effects on cancer and you know all kinds of other medical
I mean, it's been for centuries. It's been used for medicinal purposes.
You know, supposedly the oil and the Bible, you know, the anointing
oil is hemp oil, and you know the the so it's you know,
there's there's no question it's just a big corporate you know, push to you
know, control markets and profit and you know everything, you know, all
the paper, you know, the Constitution was written on him paper and then
they transferred it over to you know, sheep skins, so it would you
know, fancy or whatever. But but yeah, it's it's definitely an affront
to humanity that, you know, something that actually you know is instrumental in
humanity. There would be no civilization as we know it if if we didn't
utilize hemp, and if there was any danger to society at large, it
would have surely been demonstrated in one of those cultures for the last five thousand,
two thousand years. And that's that's a quote that the guy had in
the trial said. And you know, they just said, okay, thanks
for showing up. And it's illegal anyway, So you know, it's just
more of the corporate drift and and you know how they suck, you know,
got us trapped in their you know, limited resources and and you know
it's that. And also the Henry Ford car was made out of hemp and
it was designed to run on himp ethanol. So you know they've been remember
remember back a Cheech and Chongs movie, Up and Smoke, the vehicle that
was made out of fiberweed, Well, we have fiberweed. Fiberweed was around
a long time ago, and they're using products now, like I said,
they're making it's about a three inch block, like a single cinder block,
the three inch that you would use. It's about that thick, and they
use it for acoustic control in buildings. They also use it. It's one
of the biggest insulators that are used in a lot of places around the world
because it's stronger than cotton. You know, you could make your money out
of it rag paper, which is what we use in all of our notebooks
because you can get it wet and still write on it. You know,
there's just so many thousands of uses for the stuff. It would change.
It would change the commercial production world from one end of the spectrum to the
other. The various products that you could use it for. Well, the
wild thing about those building materials that I was telling you about that I had
the guy on about years ago, is that the funny thing was it was
way more fire resistant than the majority of stuff that people use now to build
houses. Yeah, like if you build houses at of hemp based stuff.
Somehow, I don't know how they did this, because I'm thinking to myself,
Well, hemp's got to burn easy, right, But somehow it becomes
more fire resistant when they handle it a certain way and they combine it with
something else, and I'm going so more fire resistant, cheaper when you do
decide to direct the thing and you know, drop a bunch of it into
a landfill, You're dropping hemp into a landfill, which is a whole lot
better than a lot of this other crap. I'm thinking to myself, what
is the downside to not switching to that for like, you know, you
know, residential buildings. Why is this not being used? You know,
I don't know. Again, well, it's the permitting that's involved in the
production end of it that puts so many people off on it because they're over
regulating it based on our war on drugs, which you know, hell,
we've been at war what since the seventies, you know, next fifty years
so until they start changing some of that. But seriously, it is one
product that could have such an effect on such a wide arranged array of items
and areas and uses that it would totally change the whole the whole commercial market
when it comes to manufacturing production. And they've not really even looked into the
echo friendly parts of it. Let me let me add this in real quick.
Is one of the things that it is famous for. Like you were
mentioned in the different grades of hemp or whatever, but that hemp was the
strongest natural fiber, and it also is the number one best thing to make
dynamite from, because the and the second best is like corn or something.
But hemp is like you know, four or five times you know more.
You know, the cellulose is the catalyst that they used to make dynamite from.
So that's another another interesting part of it. I'll stop. I seriously
don't understand why they haven't gotten into more ethanol uses of it. You know,
you can use sugarcane, you can use sugar beets, you can use
all kinds of things to make ethanol. But the number one thing right now
is we've got a lobby out there in the Midwest of all these corn farmers
that are pushing for use of corn. But corn is used in food product
almost everywhere else. So it's just artificially jacked up the price of a bushel
of corn for any of these producers. You know, if you could come,
it's so cheap and it takes so little water to grow compared to corn,
and you could use it to produce ethanol that would probably burn cleaner and
be better on engines than ethanol. And you could lower the price of so
many food products right off the bat by taking corn off the ethanol market.
Of course, like I said, farmers are going to get ticked off.
But if we get the government out of trying to overregulate certain commodities, we
might see things work a little better where countries that produce certain things can take
advantage of being the best place to produce those things and market wide, worldwide
markets would be affected. Well, that's the other thing I keep wondering about,
because there are some other countries that have gone, you know, into
this open production, and because we have such a global market. You know,
how is it not to think about it? You know, what would
grow best in Africa? A plant that takes very little water, grows in
one hundred days and could be harvested and processed one hundred days. That sounds
to me like werow anywhere though, right, Yeah, But I mean now
we can't we can't carry it, can't keep Africa. We can't do it
in Africa. We got we they need all those young children to dig up
all that cobalt for all these fantastic exploding electric vehicle battery. So we can't
have a thick and hill. Let's just let's just let's just be up front
there. They got to mind the damn cobalt because we're going green, man,
We're going green. You know what I saw this weekend. You know
what I saw this weekend in China. But you know, we got to
let the kids make iPhones there, well you got nikes, you got you
gotta let the child slaves work in different industries because I was looking this week.
You know, look, I'm not a huge fan, but John Oliver
is back to doing his last week Tonight thing and he usually does an expos
a on something interesting. He did a thing on chocolate. It was either
this week or last week. Did you guys happen to see any of that?
Did you see that? Bepte? No, But it has been in
the news various things about chocolate and the amount of chemicals that they're finding all
in humans coming from chocolate consumption. Forget the forget the chemicals, right,
let's not even go there. Let let's just go to clean chocolate production so
called right, if you take a look at where they're you know, harvesting
the cocoa beans and the child labor involved in that. There are very few
companies, including your major ones, because there's only a handful of like,
you know, major buyers of cocoa on the pot Yeah, Lint and Nesley,
Swiss based companies. They've been catching hell for this child labor stuff,
right, And there's been a couple of these, like you know, ethical
ones that are trying to you know, only do business with people that are
guaranteeing that there isn't child labor and stuff like that. It's a whole weird
industry where again nobody's paying attention, but there's a whole lot of and even
the regular farm that aren't using child labor, they're basically being exploited to death
because the amount of chocolate that's being produced. They're having like no share in
the profit of it, even though there's you know, tons of it being
produced, especially sold in the United States, which is crazy. It's like
an insane thing that these guys are are harvesting this crap, which, by
the way, have you ever seen cocoa beans? They look horrible. They're
this weird white pasty. They almost look like, I don't know, maggot
larvae. Giant maggot larvae is what they look like. Cocoa beans. And
he was showing films of this stuff and then showing news crews going there who
were like, you know, the companies are saying, well, we're not
using child labor anymore, we think, and the news crews go to show
up and look, and the first plantations they go to are the first places
that are growing it. There's kids working with sharp sticks, you know,
and everybody's impoverished. That's in that business and it's crazy. And that's your
chocolate bars alone, you know. So every business it creates an exploitation cycle
one way or another, especially massive corporate stuff. And that goes from all
the businesses you're talking about being touched by him to those that create chocolate.
For God's sake, nobody ever thinks of that though your hershey bars, you're
Nestlee whatever, all that crap. Yeah, most of that stuff, whether
you know it or not, it's not just your iPhones that are made by
you know, child labor. And by the way, some kids are trafficked
for this purpose too, by the way, in order to have them go
there and work on these plantations and and harvest these beans from the trees.
Okay, pretty wild expos that Oliver did on it. I thought, again,
I know, he's a left wing freaking you know, he's part of
the HBO major corporate blah blah blah blah blah. But truth is truth.
Man. It's pretty bizarre. And even the companies that are you know,
doing their damnedest to not use the child labor, uh supposedly, it's like
they almost can't avoid it because it's just part of the system. So,
you know, I wonder what would happen there if you introduce HEMP into a
whole lot more markets. Is that going to create another exploitation system where you
know? So it's just one of those things I thought about while while you
were discussing this, and somebody said, yeah, I can't bring that to
Africa because that would be crazy time. Plus the Chinese would immediately co opt
it because they have all those interesting inroads into all those African nations that they
did, you know, with their with their designs on production and stuff across
the continent. Okay, so kind of a wonder the Chinese didn't create a
whole hemp business and destabilize a whole bunch of our fiber businesses and things with
it. Weird that they didn't use that strategy. I don't know. Maybe
it's just me that's a busy group and off our DVDs. Well that too,
you got you got to get in on everything, right. You got
to have a little piece of everything, is what I was taught as a
kid. Uh. That's the best business model, right Black. Anyway,
I think I'll go back around to Harlan and then get back around to Captain
Trips and if anybody else wants to join us three one nine, five two
seven five zero one six. I did put vance on hold, but I'm
gonna try and get back around to everybody before we're done tonight. Uh.
Anyway, Harlan, any thoughts on the ensuing conversation that's gone on here or
well, you know, I just wanted to add that, you know,
I'm I denounced file drug activity and commercial truck driving and all that in case
some amount like that's what's a body itself a bit chair trying to justify you
know, I just wanted to use that after that. No, you wouldn't
endorse anybody drinking on the job. You wouldn't endorse people popping out. I
was just playing. You know, the they needs to be you know,
it's it's two thousand and you know, twenty three. They need to kind
of modernize some of this stuff more, especially when there's as much of these
things out here. Is what they are that you can you know, come
in contact with. It's just floating in there that can be laying on something.
Hey, wait, wait a second, Carlan, I got I got
a specific question for you. One second, I got a specific question for
you because I was thinking about this and I know for decades there's been a
whole little underground business, okay that has gone on feeding truck drivers all sorts
of legalized speed. Now, what do I mean by this is stuff that
they know they don't drug test for. Okay, but we'll definitely keep you
awake. Now. I remember in the nineteen nineties, okay, uh,
we had the ephedrin and that was legal for a bit, and they put
that in dietary supplements and all this other stuff, and it was actually like
an asthma medicine or something at one point like something like that. But they
were able to distribute that for a little while. Then people started banning it
and different states outlawed it, et cetera, et cetera. Now maybe they
might drug test for it, I don't know, But every time I turned
around, there seemed to be a new product that was sort of under the
counter, under the table that definitely truck drivers. You know, look,
I don't blame them. They got to stay awake for long hauls and things.
But a lot of guys would get a hold of stuff that, Yeah,
you weren't gonna get popped on your drug test for it. But truthfully,
you know you're operating under stimulants. Not you specifically, I just mean
people in your business. And I know this for a fact because indeed I
used to sell them, and not just as a as a criminal when I
was a kid. I'm talking about as a regular, legal, legitimate business
adult. I ran gas stations in convenience stores. I mentioned this several times.
Well, guess what ones that catered to truck drivers. We knew we
had to have a good supply of a pedron and when they were going to
ban that stuff, we had to get in you know, get in our
orders ahead of time to make sure we had it. Because we were allowed
to sell off what we had left, and people came men had double and
triple the price to buy them. A lot of truck drivers bought them on
their way through Jersey, tell you the truth. And then we had other
chemicals that came in that were under different names, different product names, temporarily
until somebody would catch up with that. Matter of fact, at one time,
there was something called a cocaine in a can, and we sold that
that was not cocaine, but that's what the product label said. And yeah,
there was a bunch of different things that we sold two people that wanted
to stay awake right, all sorts of not just your caffeine pills in your
no dose, but various types of chemicals, different things that would temporarily be
sort of in a loophole. And that's been like a regular occurrence, I
think in the truck driving industry now for decades. I think it still stands.
I know it did all the way through the early two thousands of the
nineteen nineties, nineteen eighties, because I had my hands in some of that
business. But you know, so I know that that goes on, and
I'm wondering if that's more dangerous than say, you know, wondering if somebody
is going to use a little bit of this or that or the third thing
that is an a listed substance. What are your thoughts on that or do
you have any Yeah, I've got some. Exactly what got the federal took
out of those pills or EPI dream or whatever they want to call it.
There was a baseball player, was it spraying camp down in Florida, and
he, you know, took a lot of them and he had a heart
attack. I can't remember if he died or not, but that just opened
the door to start banning all that. You know, they was a lot
of that stuff over the counter. I took it, you know, when
it was out. There was one brand that I took in the wintertime there
for a couple of years because if you did get a cold or something,
it would help you breathe. It was my experience from what I seen from
other guys, and you know, and the one time I took too many
of them myself, not paying attention, you know, took one, you
know, went down the road and took another, and when I got ready
to go to bed, hell, I couldn't go to bed, you know,
couldn't go to sleep. And but there was people. I've seen people
with factories that that ate them by a handful right before I started driving.
And that's where you had all these guys at the furnature factories. And that's
that, and the other that was you know, they was working like dogs,
and it seems like a lot of other people could keep up. It's
because they were staying peeled to the gills. Yeah, I mean, hits
my opinion. What did I saw that? Yep? You sitting there taking
half a bottle of them, Well you're going to be messed up just as
much as somebody that had well, you probably be messed up. Worksering somebody
that snorted the line of cocaine or you know the old school crank or whatever.
Well, yeah, you know that's been out there. I mean there's
still caffeine pills and weight loss pills. I mean, you know, sometimes
I take a few of them myself, you know, just to keep from
well enough like a bloon. But it ain't nothing like them there. You
know, you ain't sitting here, you know, you know, I mean
a lot of them. I mean, now they shit, I can take
them, lay down and go to slate right, you know what I'm saying.
But then black that day, if you popped cup up mo hell,
you couldn't went the slate for nothing. I didn't like whether it make mate
fail or you know, anything like that. Oh yeah, But when they
first banned it and they told us that we could sell off our remaining supply,
all of a sudden our seven dollars bottle of stackers, which was a
dietary supplement that had fedrin in it too, All of a sudden we were
selling those for thirty bucks, and people were happy to get them because they
were no longer going to be manufactured. But what I'm saying is it was
weird because I would watch this stuff come and go, and to me,
it was just as messed up if these guys popped them up, if they
were starting to eat them by the handfuls. Eventually you'd have somebody snap or
break, you know, one way or another. They'd either injure themselves,
finally crash, have a heart attack, something happened. And to me,
it was like that crap was actually more harmful than most of the street drugs,
at least with the street drugs you come in. Yeah, good,
would that a feder it. You know, I could see how somebody could
you know, like I said, I'd seen them, you know, the
white crosses and stuff like when I'd worked in factories, uh out there I
got out of high school. I don't take no shit like that at that
time. But you know, yeah, definitely. But you know back in
if you took too many of them, you could you know, you'd be
messed up. I mean, I could imagine, you know, if you
took four or five, six, eight, you know, something like that.
But something else I want to add is you know that they've changed pretty
much except for the C B d O pretty much everything far as I know,
you can buy it will Martyr over the counter. You know it's legal
when you ain't gonna light up a drug tests because that they uh, you
know, put that they took that a federal out. But I always said
that, you know, right after that or about that time, that that's
where you started hearing all this shit about them cooking the fed er out of
cold pills and you know, stuff like that. And see there's EF and
dream and something that starts with p C H whatever. See that that's in
cold pills. And I never did feel nothing from any of it. You
know, I took some of them the last couple of years there in all
this common shit. But yeah, if you had too much that stuff,
yeah he could mess you up, I can imagine. But I always kind
of had this little conspiracy, you know. I don't, you know,
preach conspiracy too much. But it was awful funny, you know, it
was an observation more than a conspiracy. When all that shit got out of
the way, the next deal was is to go after the small town you
know, crackheads cooking their mess. And then that led into everything coming from
Mexico and you know, shit like that, see school crank. From what
I understand that there was plenty of it out here in about the first four
or five years that I drove from the what I gathered was like pharmaceutical grade
Ralph dowg Ephedra, figram, whatever you want, college and then they would
make sure they cut it down, you know, I mean, I reckon,
that's what you know when people hears crank, That's what it was.
But there was also something else I want to mention to night. You know,
if we had time, Yeah, well go ahead, if you like,
I'll tell you this about what you're talking about, though, is there
was plenty over the counter stuff that I learned how to cook down. I'm
not gonna explain it on air here, but with a massive enough dose of
a lot of cold medicines, depending on if they contained certain chemicals, yeah,
you could take and purify that and make yourself some pretty interesting stuff.
Stuff that's elucigenic, stuff that's speed. Like. You can actually separate certain
very common brands of things into both of those, if you like, I
get your speed, and I can get you a hallucinogen out of stuff that's
common name brand products. Okay, Uh, there's a process to separate these
things and to add activators, let's say to them. I'm not again gonna
give anybody a formula here, but but there's ways of doing it, and
yeah, that can be done fairly easily. And if a blind, stupid
SOB like me can figure out how to do it with a high school diploma,
I'm certain there's plenty of urban chemists out there that also knew this for
a very long time. I mean, before we had what they call crystal
meth, there was probably a dozen things at your local drug store that I
could easily turn into something highly narcotic without a problem. It just was the
amount the quantity that that you can get your hands on for me, and
I could turn it into it for you. Little magic. You know,
give me a day and the right equipment and a couple of other component chemicals
and you got it, no problem. Okay. Uh So again, I'm
not a genius, and other people showed me how to do this, but
believe me, there's plenty of urban chemistry that went on. And that's before
the ephedrin. Okay, that's before all that. Yeah, crank speed whatever
it was they called it. Yeah, there was plenty of that. Most
people would snort it too, because we could end up crystallizing it and turn
it back around into something you could chop up easy. And you know,
if it was chunky and you did it wrong, it'd be a little little
rough and chunky, but it still worked. Uh. But if you properly
ground it and you created a you could create something that could literally aerosolize if
you if you did it right. Anyway, I'm not going to go into
descriptions again or give you directions, but stuff that's commonly available at your CBS,
believe me, can be turned into lucinogenic speed, all kinds of crap,
whatever you want. Notice how I keep repeating those two things because I
know exactly how that's done. And yeah, yeah, so wonder I'm not
surprised that they lock these things up behind boxes nowadays. They really should because
they're actually kind of dangerous. I mean, if you go and take a
cold pill, a couple of cold pills, you're not going to get the
result if you take massive, massive quantities, which I've seen people do too,
where they've gotten themselves sick trying to take massive quantities to accomplish the same
goal. I guess theoretically you could get there, but you're likely to get
sick from it before you get high. If you know how to work it
a little, step on it a little, you can get it done.
But you can't just you know. Anyway, I'm just gonna leave it at
that. And that stuff used to be even more potent, by the way,
but yeah, there's plenty of chemicals available for people to play with it.
They know what they're doing. So as we can come down to what
might be the last I don't know, twenty five minutes here, we do
have another caller, so I'm gonna put Harlan on hold and get around to
that caller before we go back around to Captain Trips and Bepete and probably let
them close out the show. Hey man, how you doing tonight? You're
live. Hey everyone, Jimmy and James here kept the trips. You'll remember
during the Obama administration, the Food Drug Administration was trying hard to do what
kept trips. They're trying to get off vitamins and minerals and band so you
need prescriptions, and you could guarantee that if Knucklehead gets reelected, be one
of the first things he does. Do you think Biden's going to ban vitamin
supplements? I don't think it. I know it. Let me do it
in his fourth term. What they'll do is start regulating them, to start
throwing a bunch of taxes and permitting that, yeah, of values. That's
what's the other way they'll go regulated. They want to their prescriptions. They
don't want you to be able to well, how far are we? You're
right, you're right, and just let me let me throw in one little
thing. If you guys remember back at the kind of the height of the
COVID hysteria, there is an amino acid called an a C and a system
that is very got a myriad of uses. Well, they found one of
the uses. They didn't broadcast it too well, but it did have some
It did have some positive effects on people with that were actually sick with the
virus. And it was it was a matter of it was a matter of
seconds. You couldn't buy it anywhere. Amazon got rid of it and you
couldn't buy it in your health food stores anymore, and then suddenly they put
it back on the market. So yeah, I think they want to and
I don't have any any any good empiric evidence to back up what I'm gonna
say. I don't think they're going to get away with it, though.
I think they want to try, but I don't think they're going to do
it in the long run. I hope I'm wrong. Well, okay,
and one more question. Corey capped the trips. Sure got you ready?
Yeah, go ahead, Jim, I'm here, I'm ready. Earlier,
when I was a mute, I heard I heard Harlan say that the Jews
hate the weather because it's the only thing they don't control. Do you think
that's true. I didn't hear Harlan say that. Wait a minute, now,
I didn't hear that, did anybody else? Wait a minute, Jemmy,
are you sure you heard that? I did not hear that from Harlan.
I want to defend Harlan. Maybe I should bring Harlan on, bring
them in. Maybe I didn't hear him very, bring them in. Let's
be be you mind if I bring Harlan in to defend himself. No,
not at all, all right, because I think I think that's I think
that's absolutely wrong with Jimmy James just said. I did not hear Harlan say
anything of that sort. Harlan, that topic hasn't come up the whole time
I've been on the call. I don't remember Jews coming up during this conversation.
What happened there? Wait a minute, no, real, no,
real current geopolitical events have come up. We've been talking about cannabis and and
cannabis, federal regulations, drugs regulation, federal regulations. I think that's pretty
much it. We started out with kissing, the sound you heard outside your
house? That that too, that too, which is kind of related.
But anyway, yeah, uhln sorry, Harlan, he's made a weird statement
there. I didn't hear any such thing come out of your mouth. Brother?
You there? Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm here. I'm just sitting
there wondering how you respond or something like that. You know, I don't
know. I was. I was hoping you had an answer. You wrote
you won't took a spook or two off le met Jimmy, or I mean
you snort my cold bail or what's going on? I must be getting into
that crazy. Maybe maybe I should buy drugs from you because I didn't hear
that. I'm telling you, you know, Look, I'll teach you how
to make something me wrong. No, I'm kidding. But oh my god,
did you did you rat baby a letter like Glenn back then, you
know, begging for Israeli citizenship this week? Jimmy, Oh my god,
did Glenn back do that this week? Yeah? I've seen that, you
know, Wow, I heard something about that. Yeah, can you imagine
them except end up? Hey, I'll stand up for Israel, but don't
forget during that COVID crap, They've forced every one of their citizens to get
them shot, so I wouldn't ever be a citizen. Yeah. Well,
well, well, I would like to like to say something. You know
that that looks like that's what I you know, wouldn't said about bringing up
tonight. But you know, the way everything is looking right now, it
looks like there's more people that that's not wanting to get involved and wanting this
shit to be you know, settled. And you know, one aspect that
I'm not saying a lot of people really pointing that is, if this keeps
rolling, keeps escalating, and you draw all the other countries in that's around
Israel, well then it's gonna be you know, Israeli citizens getting slaughtered,
just like you know the Palace inns, you know, the people that don't
exist, that used to have a country named that room that never exists.
But anyway, uh, they're gonna be getting slaughtered, and it's gonna be
just like I said, it's beginning all this here. You've got regular citizens
over there living, it's just trying to live. And you know, everybody
ain't in these big conspiracies. I know there's a lot of people out there
thanks because somebody's got a two inch nose that they're out to get them.
And you know they wake up to day, you know, trying to figure
out someone up, you know, grab some money out of them. But
you know, I just don't consider myself in that crowd. But it's a
little hard to ignore some of the ship that's went on. And even though
mainstream media and you know, some of these on the right, the alleged
rift, these conservative media outlets, they keep trying to push this war,
people see through it more and more. And that's what it was correct to
me. I'm sure that you guys have more what this stuff night. Go
ahead, Catherine, No, I'm hoping you're right. No, I agree,
and I'm gonna I'm I mean, I'm gonna just make one a couple
of comments. One, I personally think there is a big distinction between being
big distinction between being Jewish and being being a Zionist. So I don't buy
into the bullshit that you can't criticize the Israeli government and you're somehow anti Semitic.
Don't try it. I'm not even gonna go there. And second of
all, if you want to just look in the best interest, this is
not in the best interest of the State of Israel. This is clearly not
in their best interest. And you've got a lot of protesting coming out of
the State of Israel saying the same thing. I mean, let's let's be
honest. Slaughtering eight thousand people to get so many. You know, I'm
not defending what happened on the seventh of October, don't go there either,
but slaughtering eight thousand people, there's gonna be no blowback. Let's take let's
take the nine to eleven story I face value, and let's say that it
happened exactly the way we were presented. You don't think that the United States
response was responsible for even worse stuff coming. That's so, I mean,
I'm sorry. What they're doing right now is not in the interest of anybody,
the whole I mean, the whole fucking world, and we all are
going to get screwed by what the government of Israel is doing right now.
And that's just my position. I can't argue with you at all. Yeah,
well, there's no reason for it. I'm in Kansas right now.
There's no reason for this to keep escalating to the point to where there's people
here in Kansas, thousands of miles away have to deal with something because something's
been going on for eighty years and they can't get the politics worked out or
you let what's gone on longer than that, well, well far, I
mean, you know it's it's been officially you know, for around the eighty
and I know it goes back. Yeah, but yeah, yeah, you
want to go back into this world. You can't apply what the Bible says.
How about what's the Bible says on things like staying with your own tribe,
praise the Lord? What's the fucking Bible say about my harm? And
the temple being your body? What's the Bible say about you know, this
abomination? That been abomination? But when it comes to this political gimmick of
the last you know, one hundred years or so, oh his gospel,
everybody's got to listen to it. You know, let's blow the fucking world
up. Let's send people over here that never saw Marln. I also support
the Ukraine. Does that have something to do with the Bible and blah blah
blah blah. I don't know. Well, I'll tell you what, Jimmy
to me, it's kind of the same. That's kind of ass backwards as
the gimmick in Israel. You've got to you know, from what I understand
from what I heard this, I all this shit got started in Ukraine because
there was a section down there they wanted to go back with the Russians,
and they voted to and Zelenski and everybody will here so i'll know. But
see, you've got another bunch that's efstinately one way and was there for god
knows how many years before the other bunch showed back up in mass It's basically
the same gimmick flipped upside down, you know, and no bursay, you
goes and Russia goes. I'm not for sending one more fucking dollar over well,
let them work it out, let them be nuts. Hundreds of men
things. The people were ball in the nineteen thirties when Zitler didded pulling as
long a way. Okay, let me tell you about Hitler. You know,
Hitler was a freaking passion. What if he voted or fucking you didn't
have the motherfucker over here streaming at fucking bumpers and made it to where he
did it, if he didn't have hell as another gimmick too, and I
had how many people got Adolf Hitler was a gammick? Wait a minute,
can you just answer the question when he invaded Poland should we or should we
have not intercepted try to stop them. No, we shouldn't have. We
shouldn't have. I'm a pure isolationist when it comes to this, because let
me tell you something, no matter what side of this conflict you take,
whether you support Israel, you support what they're doing, you support the Palestinians,
we are fucking bankrupt. The country is bankrupt. We cannot support this
ship anymore. We're going to go into an economic collapse over this ship.
Why don't we go in our best ally in the world. Why don't we
talk about the USS Liberty. There are great allies. Come on, don't
give me that ship. I'm sorry, man, hold on, hold on,
everybody, calm down, because the Liberty, they are allies. When
the Liberty got hit, I just need that was they were not our allies
at all. Okay. I studied that crap in the Navy, and that
was they got it. They drifted into a war zone and a literal spy
ship zero. They're lucky, they're lucky. Let any of them live.
Okay, that is honest. I mean it was. We kind of went
a little too far on that one, and the LBJ it blew up in
his face. Well, strafing lifeboats is still a war crime. But anyway,
I mean, I don't understand. I'm sorry, but I don't understand
this war crime thing. We always talk war crimes after they happen. We
always do something about war crimes. When we do do something about war crimes
after it happens, it war is war. Now. I'm not saying that
civilians are open game, but this rules of conflict kind of went out the
window way back when someone's young into a rock at somebody else's young, and
we've been fighting ever since. Rules of war do not make any sense in
war. War is war. You either fight it to win it or you
fight it to propel the economic interests of your country to a point that nobody
can stand it anymore. That's what we've made war into well, everything from
the treatment of prisoners, Everything from the treatment of prisoners to the construction of
bullets, though has been agreed upon by the major nations the way I understand
it, And you know what, either you follow these things or you don't,
and if you don't, there are consequences. Okay, that's involved in
war has violated the rules of war. Of course, they have the Geneva
Convention when it came about was to try to punish certain people for certain things.
And since then it's off the table. How many times has China pulled
a dirty move on us in the past fifty years knocking our planes out of
the sky? Remember the old what lorial financial siasco that went on when Clinton
was in And suddenly our technology is in China's rockets? Gee, how to
get there? We sold it to them? Yeah, I mean, my
god. You know, every country violates wars, they scream about war crimes
on the other side. The last time we really did anything about it was
Nuremberg, and that was to punish the people. Because we won and we
could do it. We got away with it. We fire bombed how many
cities across Europe and you never saw one of our guys on the stand.
Is because we won. That's one of the things about real and when the
war you're right and you can punish people for the war. Well that's we
haven't won a war and so long it's pitiful. Well now we're on the
receiving end of it. War as hell, war as a racket. Yeah,
that's all you need to know, all true, But again, I
think there should be some some consequence for things and you know, I know
it's perfectly acceptable to some people that refugee camps got bombed for three days straight
in recent week. But uh, you know it's okay depending on whose side
it's on. Uh. And that's that's what the point is where the terrist
found Yeah, supposedly there, supposedly okay, So let me hey, let's
let's let me let me. Let me put this examptly, let me put
this example, let me say something, well, let me say something.
Let me say something, let me say something. Let's let's take it.
Let's take this down to the Let's take this rationale down a few levels.
Let's say, for instance, we let's say we got a bank robbery,
right, you got someone goes into a bank, holds up a bank,
got an automatic weapon, keeps everybody hostage in there. Why don't we just
blow the fucking bank up there? Why don't we like fucking just demolish it,
burn it to the ground. Still everybody? All right? Oh you
agree what you want to do? Right there? This is a war.
Stop once again, we go, you know, alright, alright, alright,
if everybody's gonna yell over everybody, it's gonna be get nowhere, So
let's not do that. Okay, go ahead, be pa, come out
all right, so simple. You know, this is a good example.
Wait a minute, This gen and camp that got bombed is an excellent example
on war crimes. Was it a crime to bomb the camp? Yes?
If civilians were at risk, yes it was. It's a crime. Was
it a crime for the military aspect of Hamas to be in that camp,
Yes it was. Yes. They're using Jumans, They're using them as human
shields. That's why their headquarters is under one of the biggest hospitals in Gaza,
because they know it's not going to be touched. So now you got
to split hairs. Well, which is worse. And this kind of goes
back to the debate we didn't have a few weeks ago about proportionality. So
we already have both sides violating these crimes of war. What are we going
to do about it each other? Civilians? They are not a legal they
are not legal combatants for God's sake? Is it? But of terrorists the
legal yes, already. The governors in the United States we always complained that
we've ever follow wars through to the end, So now why are we trying
to dictate the Israel how they carry out their own wars. Yeah, well,
because we're paying for it, Well for it, I'm paying for it.
You're paying for it out of your tax money. All right? Stop
what? All right? Stop trips, I got you. I understand what
you're saying. But I'm putting everybody on hold here per second, just to
clear up the back, the back and forth for a sec because we're basically
at the end of the show. And look, see, here's the thing
though, this is all just a horrific conflict. Where tell me what the
right answer is. You're gonna tell me the right answer is, Oh,
it's all right, fine, there's acceptable collateral damage among civilians, okay,
cool. So that means that if somebody takes issue with this country, even
the actions of this country. I guess if they feel like they need to
get after some of the people that are responsible for that, that they could
just totally bomb civilian neighborhoods. You'd be okay with that, everybody, I
guess, right, that's all cool. No, let's just say you live
in the DC area, somebody wants to get at the general No, No,
I'm serious, though, you know what this is, what kills me
about it, tell me that that's acceptable. That's all I want to know.
That's fine. That means that if you look, there are plenty of
people in Iraq. I bet you got beef with plenty of the things that
happened in their country that were done under false pretenses where we completely destroyed their
government. I don't care what you think of Saddam Hussein. We destroyed their
economy, their government, their local everything, okay, and then put a
puppet regime in there to try and run things for a while. We did
that to those people. Now, if those people decided they wanted to get
back at some of the people that were responsible and struck at us here and
maybe ended up taking out some civilians, I bet you a lot of people
would be pissed. But you know, because not everybody is involved here,
and Jumas is not a legal combatant, they're not a military and they're not
a nation state. Are they go ahead? Sorry, But nobody tonight has
taken the position that that's okay. Everybody has mentioned that it it's not right
in the way that it's being handled. I'm sorry, that's a matter of
how much, say so we have to tell Israel what to do, because
you can look at any entity. When is somebody gonna take us? Oh
no, we have no way to tell him. For Iraq and Iran or
Vietnam. We've got to know. Somebody gonna take the UN to court over
what they let happen between the Tutsi, the Tuccis and the Hutus fair enough
Africa, or what they allowed to go on in Bosnia. So we're going
to take the UN to court. Everybody's guilty, yeah, anybody that's here.
Yeah. Well, but here's the thing I want to I want to
bring Jimmy back on because it sounded to me like he said, no,
it is acceptable because they got to get it, the terrorists which happened to
be there to screw it. That's what happens. So that's what it sounded
like to me. Get that impression. But yeah, bring him back on.
I want to bring him back on and make sure that I undertoo him
because maybe I misunderstood him then, because that's what it sounds like to me,
is that no, this is perfectly acceptable because there were terrorists there,
so screw it. That's what happens. I don't know. Now, Look,
do we have a right to tell Israel what to do. Now,
we don't ever right to tell any nation what to do. But here's what
we do have a right to do. Also, not fund them if we
don't want to, right, And look, I'm all for still funding Ukraine,
okay, because I see a smaller nation being picked on by a larger
one that has much greater resources, who was supposed to be our Ally,
I'm thinking we should back then. And I know that's a rough position nobody
wants to hear, but I'm against this idea of upping, which they just
did. By the way, no problem. They put through what it was
another fourteen and a half billion something like that this week? What was the
agreement? Do you remember, BPT the amount of money that resolution they passed.
Oh, it hasn't been decided. I don't think it's been decided upon
yet. Oh I thought I heard fourteen billion? That number? Does that
number strikest? But yeah, I don't think it wants Yeah, yeah,
I don't think it's going to the head eye approved yet. Okay, let
me let me check on that in the Senate. Okay, let me check
on that, because I think the House passed it. Let me let me
see Israel funding bill. I want to find out if maybe the House passed
it and they were waiting on the Senate. Let's see us House passes Well,
I thought you were talking about Ukraine. I'm sorry, Yes, they
passed a bill for Israel. Yeah, they have not put one up for
Ukraine yet, right, Okay, Okay, No, That's what I was
getting through is that they agreed to do that. Okay. So our government
is still in agreement with standing with Israel and actually upping the support that we
give them on a daily basis anyway, because they are constantly being given money
anyway already. Right, So that is the way it stands. And I
don't think we have a right to tell them stuff, but we do have
a right to tell them if we're going to back them or fund them.
So you know, I'm just saying there could be decisions made there. But
I thought Jimmy James was saying that it was totally acceptable that Israel does this
to the refugee camps, and I want to see if I was wrong about
that. So I'm gonna bring Jim back on specifically. So Jimmy, am
I right that this is completely acceptable what Israel did regarding the bombing of these
camps because there were terrast So back your original statements about the Iraqis. The
Iraqis didn't actually have problems with us. It turns out it was the Iranian
sending terrorists into Iraq and setting up IED's. I guess you didn't hear over
the last fourteen years, as far as Israel goes, not much you can
do if terrorists grabbed their own people and refuse to let them leave the camps.
I mean, right now, Israel's going through a mess in a ground
ward to get try to figure out who's in Hamas, who's a Hesba Lah,
who's in the Brotherhood. There's two million of these people and they're begging
Egypt to take them, and they refuse. Jordan is seventy three percent of
what you call Palestinians. Why won't they take a single person? Where's the
humanity there? Yeah, good questions, the good questions. Wait a minute,
I got that answered. They won't take a single Palestinian because the last
time they took Palestinians they tried to kill the king. Okay, fair enough
so, But but Jimmy, the question I have for you is, so
this is totally acceptable. What's going on here. This is acceptable what they're
doing, like right or wrong. Now, the terrorists are very unacceptable using
their human population of shields and keeping them from going south as Israel warned them
and warned them and begged them to all civilians to go south. And guess
what, they're being held in place by gunpoint right? Okay, So it's
acceptable the military action being taken by the IDF is what I get. I
guess I got to ask specifically in response to all of that. Whatever it
is you say, whether you're right or wrong, the response to the situation
is acceptable, yes or no, Jimmy, it's certainly acceptable militarily, And
yeah, there you go. That's where you got hold on, Chuck.
Yeah, I'm not giving an alternative explanation to the woman in front of him
and shooting at you. What would you do? Depends would you shoot back?
Depends on to kill you? Depends on the circumstance anyway, Yeah,
no, no, No, and your son are there and a man just
grabs a random woman as a human shield to start shooting at you. Do
you shoot back? Chuck? It depends on that. You got to fill
out a lot more circumstances there for me to give you an honest answer.
I'm just and I wasn't asking about my situation. I was just asking what
you were saying, and I wanted to get clarity on your situation. It's
what you could It's very complicated, is it sure is? I'm not saying
it is that, Jimmy. I I just wanted clarity on your position,
and I was correct in saying that you thought that this is acceptable action being
taken by the IDEA, Right, that's what you said. Or am I
wrong? You are correct at the IDEF that has done anything wrong and the
terrorists have so far they go. That's me asking a question, not even
offering my opinion. I just asked you the question about what your position was,
and I was correct. Okay, that's all I wanted to be sure
of that. See, That's what I was. And now I put Jimmy
back on hold. That's what I was saying, b Pete, is that
you see it's correct as far as he's concerned. He said it himself,
right, this is a correct response by the IDEA given the circumstances that he
lays out and descride you. I'm willing to defend his position. He did.
I'm not saying he didn't, and I'm not even given a position here.
I wanted his position clarified because I know that's what I heard, and
I know that I will hear it. You you want to look at it
strictly from if you want to look at it from strictly a war in defense
aspect, Yeah, they are justified in what they were doing. The military
was in that spot, the civilians were warned to get out. They went
in and took them out. That's war. Now, when you want to
argue the morality of it, you know, like I said, we can
have that debate on proportionality. What's proportional for fourteen hundred people burned, shot,
raped, beheaded? I mean, what is proportional to that? You
know, let me throw one thing in there. Let me just throw one
thing in that's taking the original story at faith value. There have been countless
Israelies that have come out that were involved in that initial attack that are saying
a lot of that. A lot of these stories just aren't true. Hey,
look that you had multiple people that have come out and said it was
the IDF that was shooting at everything on the their first response, they got
the Hannibal doctrine. We know this. The Israeli Defense Force they don't take,
they don't rescue the hostage is half the time they kill everybody. And
that's that's I mean, that's been said by Israeli officials. That's I mean,
it's out there. So just accepting the mass media, you know,
face presentation of what happened on October seventh. Now that more information is coming
out, you know, you have you have lots of information come that the
United States warned Israel that this was gonna happen, and Egypt it warned Israel
that this was gonna happen, and no response. There was a person on
the ground that was involved in it said it was seven hours before any from
anyone from the IDF even showed up. Well, so that's just accepting the
original story of face value. Well fair, I don't accept And here's the
thing. The only reason why I wanted Jimmy to say that is because that's
exactly what Netanyaho's uh, one of who's closest advisors, is saying publicly on
our media now when they're interviewing them, is that, you know what all
this stuff you see regardless of what they're reporting about it, or the complaints
about our tactics or our use of tactics or whatever else. It's all justified,
basically, that's what he's saying. It's all justified. It all has
to be done. So I'm just telling you that that's the position being presented.
I'm not telling you that's my position, and I'm not telling you that
I even object to it. I mean, I object to things that I
think are criminally done to people and that chug. But that's good. But
that's the position that's being put out by the media. Yeah, on both
sides. Yeah, the media say in Israel justified. You have the other
media saying that the Palestinians were justified for the initial attack that started this part
of an over eighty five year old war. So and I don't agree with
that either. I don't agree that they were justified in the initial attack.
I think both sides are wrong, to be quite honestly, Well, the
overwhelming yes, I agree with you, I will agree. I am I'm
more inclined to agree to agree with Captain than me too. Jimmy, me
too. I'm just saying me too. I am on the side of all
of this is wrong on both sides. Okay, However, one of them
is arm better, one of them is a much more efficient killer, one
of them is a lot more powerful, and one of them is backed by
the United States. Okay, so that's all I'm saying. Iran one of
the biggest in perpetrators of the sponsors of terrorism in the world. Two of
fact true. So you know, and you've also got the Muslim Brotherhood,
You've got what was going to be the Arab League, and all of these
countries around. Even though Jordan has a peace treaty with Israel, and even
though Egypt has a peace treaty with is Israel, don't forget for a second
there's elements within those countries that are helping hazbalan Hamas pull off what they're pulling
off, of course, and you got the money of Iran feeding into the
system through Syria, you know, I mean, it's open game. Yeah,
quickly at six seven countries right now, what Yemen announced that they were
getting into it. Fair enough, another one hundred and thirty thousand troops.
But the more this spreads, the bigger problem it's going to become. And
it's not going to just be a problem for the Palestinians. It's going to
be a problem for everybody in that region. I believe that wholeheartedly. And
I'll tell you something else, just real fast, odd thought, and then
I want to like let everybody in to have their final say here, because
look, here's a strange thought I had, is that you know, Egypt
has the solution as far as closing their damn border, don't they. So
however, that's done through Egypt and making sure that nobody can escape Palestine into
Egypt. Okay, or nobody can escape Gaza. Let me be accurate,
nobody can escape Gaza into Egypt. Yeah, it's interesting as somebody ought to
go over there and take lessons about closing a border. I think, just
saying, just saying anyways, I'll leave it at that, and uh again,
I tried my best not to present my opinion. I wanted to get
everybody else's pulse on this and interesting, I wanted to avoid this and talk
about other stuff, and him came up first. But you know, hey,
it keeps happening. We keep having to go back to it because guess
what, You're not going to escape it anywhere you go. So there you
go. And by the way, the guy was criticizing the hell out of
me about Ukraine and this and that, and then finally, I think I
know who that might be, who is on a speaker doing that. You
know what, Sorry dude again, but I'm tired of being penalized. From
my view, I think Ukrainians have a right to exist and to live.
And I say that and I lose money, i lose supporters, and that's
that because I'm supporting Nazis apparently, and I'm against Mother Russia, who is
supposed to be supported by alternative media people like myself. So I'm an a
hole. That's what the answer to that question is. And I'm not engaging
in it as much as I can avoid it. I got other things to
do at this point because I get penalized per saying that people have a right
to live. And don't even get me started on my actual viewpoint regarding Israel,
because you know what, cold strategy Again, I tried to even present
the idea, well, what if we decided to switch alliances even and strategically
adopt the idea of you know what, let's side with the rest of the
Arab world that seems to be against the existence of Israel. How about that
from a strategic standpoint? How would that work out for us? Nobody even
wants to talk about that because that's craziness and I'm just asking to talk about
it hypothetically. But here I go, I'm gonna get myself in trouble again,
aren't I. It's true it No, I don't want to talk about
the hypotheticals, and I want to talk about my viewpoint because you know what,
at the end of the day, I'm not in power. We're supposed
to be. Well, you know, we're definitely funneling money over that way,
and it's perfectly acceptable to funnel money there. I love how people are
all for peace when it comes to not funneling money to Ukraine, but they,
you know, want to make sure they funnel more money to Israel.
I find Jimmy James position, even though I don't stand exactly with them,
a lot more consistent and rational than the people who go in that direction,
who are like, for peace sake, don't send money to Ukraine, but
also for peace sake, send money to Israel. His position is consistent.
His position's consistent exactly, it's consistent. I mean, I'm not and I
have not been in favor of funding either of these things as far as I'm
concerned. Yeah, I mean, that's been my position the whole, the
whole, from start to finish. And if you are somebody who thinks that
we should mind our own damn business and stop getting involved in so many foreign
entanglements, and that's the way you think on both of these fronts, you
know what, I say that you are a consistent thinker. But I'm watching
schizophrenia occur throughout the rest of the media and throughout the whole people that are
speaking about this, and it's driving me nuts. I'm just saying, Look,
and again I still have not fully identified my own particular viewpoint on this.
I do have one, but you and I are going to have to
talk about You and I can talk about this privately because I am curious,
so we can do that at a later date. Well, eventually, I'll
lay it out, but I'm much more concerned with doing the JFK thing,
which I'm going to do in about ten days or so, and I want
to get through that, and you know, take a little time to enjoy
a singular murder case instead of you know, calamities that are going to kill
hundreds and thousands and tens of thousands and whatever. I'll deal with the singular
murder case for the next couple of weeks, and then I'll come back and
you know, and I don't know, gut myself in front of all of
you again, you know, one more time giving an opinion that's going to
get me screwed over and banned and kicked off of things and disregarded and thrown
out of equations financially and everything else. I'll do that in a couple of
weeks. Maybe I'll start doing that at the end of the year as a
Christmas present to people who hate my fricking guts, because I'll do that again.
Why not, I'll go back to giving my opinion, but on this
Friday night show, it's not about my opinion. See, I'd rather get
to everybody else's, So with that in mind, Sorry, I ended up
yelling and taking up extra time here and didn't mean to. But then again,
I don't know, it seems to keep happening. I want to go
around to everybody and let him get a minute or two maybe to themselves,
say whatever the hell they want, and then finish this. What do you
think that sounds like a plan. Cool, tell me the order we go
in and that's where we'll go. Well, I don't know. Well,
i'll tell you what. Let's go in reverse order of the way everybody came
in the last one was what Jimmy. Jimmy was definitely the last one.
So we'll go to Jimmy first. Cool. Sounds good, excellent, So
Jimmy, open Field, say what you want. I don't want anybody to
interrupt Jimmy. Who can don't interrupt Jimmy. Let him speak please? Good?
Oh, who'd have thought the movies could be controversial? Good? Point?
Good? Everyone goes to the Nanda hid. Well, the season of
JFKM Tuesdays is coming upon? Is trump true? True? It's like Christmas?
Is that going to be the total of your comment? Because I want
to get props to you one more time for being consistent about your position,
for being reliable as far as backing up what the hell you say? I
appreciate all that, and I really do hope that you can somehow make it
to Dallas, because that's going to be interesting and that's going to be fun.
Plus quick announcement, I forgot I'm going to be the featured guest on
Coast to Coast AM on November eighteenth as the JFK Guy from ten pm to
twelve midnight Pacific time. Just so you guys know, Richard Sarah will be
interviewing me. So I wanted to let you guys know that in case you
didn't catch that news, because I did end up having to blurt it out
on with a video I did with the like a Dank earlier this week,
but officially, yeah, I wanted to let you guys know I'm booked for
that. So that's Saturday night when we're at the conference. I'm going to
uh be the Coast to Coast AM guests, So potentially that should be the
largest radio audience I've ever spoken in front of, and uh hopefully that goes
well. I don't know what the callers are going to do to me on
there ought to be fun. You might want to listen to be amazing to
hear you on this show. Thank you. I hope you're listening. I
hope you're listening. And Jimmy, I would love it if you were able
to call in and get through, because man, that would be just perfect.
I'd be like Jimmy James say hello to two weeks. I'm so scared.
I'm so scared of spewing everyone's beans because I don't know what everyone's beans
are. Like, I didn't know you that one day you're saying I'm looking
into that. I'm sorry. I didn't didn't to spill the beans. You
didn't tell me the beans. I'm sorry, dude, I am bad at
keeping people informed that way. My apologies. So anyway, Christmas the JFK.
Yeah, and I was just gonna look again, I don't want to
Well, you can't really, I just can't believe is the mainstream media and
not everyone. I'se realize how big this information that doctor Newman has come up
with, especially the James Macord was a Soviet agent hell now as Day News.
Yeah. As to whether he was a knowing agent or not, I
think is still disputable. I'm still working on that. But wait, doctor
Newman said that he did something that made it absolutely positive that he had.
Well see, but I know that's what he said, but I'm one of
these jerky people that has to go and see it for myself. So I'm
in the process of going through some things, which is not an easy task
to dig through some of the stuff that he is pointing me to, by
the way, to get a handle on that. There's some wild information there
though that McCord. And I've always said this about McCord, he is the
most suspect character in the Watergate break in because this is a guy who blew
a black bag job, who instructed the CIA people on black bag jobs.
What in the hell is going on here? You know? Right? He
booked it. Well. Lyddy was amazing security guard in a hotel. Stop
him here? Are you kidding me? No, Lyddy was amazing. Listen.
Lyddy was a maniac. I met that guy, and I'm telling you
now, he he was nuts. So I believe he might have been capable
of nearly anything except betraying the United States. That's one of those things that
he wouldn't have done. He was a true believer in uh. He felt
as though anything he was doing was justified to defend the United States. Even
his time in prison he felt was an acceptable sacrifice. All that stuff.
So and he gives it to him, Chuck, that he wouldn't give them
an inch. That's why he got the full prison term. That's correct.
Look at James McCord, who did what two months? Yeah, well,
after he made some interesting statements like odo mess with me, I got a
match for every tree in the forest. That guess we know who he was
talking to. Now they go. And that's the thing about McCord. McCord
is a way more interesting character. And I've always said it, but nobody
ever listens to me because I'm a conspiracy theorist. But I'm in the midst
of checking that out. I'm not one hundred percent on Newman. I don't
defer to anybody on this stuff. I'd rather see it for myself. Uh
but he does present some interesting information. I'm in the process of getting a
hold of some documents. I've actually had to order some stuff because it's not
online by the way. Uh So, you know, yeah, this is
going to be an interesting dig. And I'm wondering if he's going to present
some of the documents that that I'm waiting to get, you know, delivered
to me. I wonder if he's going to present him at Lancer actually virtually,
because he's presenting at Lancer virtually and he's going to be in person at
the WET conference in Pittsburgh. Uh So I'm wondering maybe he'll present maybe he'll
present documents there, or because John's usually good for that, showing documents on
the big screen. So that is an interesting thing. Yeah, but here's
another crazy thought. This guy is uncovered to Soviet molds that Engleton never could.
Is it just me or should this? I'd be the next DCI.
Yeah, well if he hadn't been released from those duties. To the best
of my knowledge, who knows where he might be now? Anyway, Newman
is an interesting character in and of himself. By the way, you ought
to look at his background a bit for yourself as well. Well, yeah,
I know he's a major and all that. I just say that Newman
should be. Oh, he's an awful good spy on her and it's just
his part time hobby, right, But don't forget he had a military job
and another job with the NSA, so you know, and I'm not going
to claim to know the full breadth of his entire job with the NSA.
I know what his military record supposedly says. But anyway, who knows what
his skill level really is? Honestly, all right, had a fair enough
drop on that, Jimmy, Yeah, who knows? But it is fair
little to shut up for fifty It's been over twenty since I've been out.
I'll tell you anyone know Chucky sounds good. We'll get there, all right,
everyone, have a good weekend. Got bust. Absolutely. So there's
Jimmy James. I'm putting him back on hold, but go ahead, be
Pete. Who do we take next? Oh, let's see who was on
it? Was it Harlan? I think it was Harlan joined us next right
in reverse order, So let's get Harlan back. Is man Archie still with
us, Let's see. I'm not sure. Yeah he is. He's still
there too, But I got Harlan on the open line. Now Lance has
got sick. He'll be hanging out. I mean he can hang out longer
than if he can. Yeah, he has in the past. But go
ahead, Harlan, go ahead and speak your piece. Yeah. I was
wanting to hit that Hitler Gimmickalick or too, and everything exploded. I wouldn't
done responding to Jimmy. You know, it looks like to made the stuff
that I've seen and heard over the years that I kind of come to the
conclusion that, you know, to some aspect, it's you know, it's
kind of not conspiracy to see that he was funded by people over here,
Henry Ford being one of them. George W. Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush,
was handling money through his bank, and his bank got shut down,
you know, during World War Two for you know, having relationships with the
Nazis. I just want to, you know, throw that in there.
But you know, kind of the further on Jimmy's question about Hitler in nineteen
thirty eight, Well, I didn't think we was living in Nazi Germany in
nineteen thirty eight. I'm kind of like Captain Trips. You know, enough
is enough sending this money over here. This is two thou twenty four almost.
You know, they need to get this shit handled. We don't need
to get involved with people on the ground, and we sure don't need to
keep gouging this too. Shit starts happening over here, you know, this
the whole conglomerate of all those states. And then when you get Russia pulled
into it, then it's a different story. You know, do you want
to be sitting here tuessing about this shit, you know, on Friday night,
or do you want to go for hiding under a rock somewhere or another
waiting to see when a groan comes over and drops a bomb. I mean,
I don't think that's completely out of reality. Same way with China and
Taiwan. You know, do you want vehicles to be held up six months
over you know chips again if you get involved in all that, you know,
I'm just kind of you know, saying, you know, shit on
some of it, but don't work work with it. Let's try that for
a change, because it looks like us just continuing to cram money into this
is not really getting us anywhere. How many you know, being as Ukraine
got it this form right, and that's that's one thing I wanted to mate.
And good luck on your coast to coast appearances. Yeah, I'll go
talking about crazy theories, you know, tell them the uh. The latest
one you've heard was my theory about you know, a silencer being used that
nobody else has ever really talked about. Oh no, we talked about silencers
and suppressors and misdirection tools via the work of which Rich Rebel there verbal Rebel,
however you say his name, you know, Mitch Rebel having done a
whole bunch of work with that kind of stuff. We talked about that in
the past, so that's not really a new theory, but very possible that
somebody had a uh theory. Now, I don't know who rich Rebel is
or you know, is that a Jewish last name? I mean that sounds
a little Jewish, you know. I'll give give Jimmy something other, you
know, the bias man, you know, since he's always you know,
Okay, I don't know why that is. But no, it's not that
he's a Jew. It's that he's a guy who's tied to the CIA and
probably did work for all kinds of weapons and things that they used, et
cetera. I mean, that's a that's a very cursory look at who he
was, but you can look him up. He's publicly known to have been
a guy who was operationally involved in some stuff. But it's that would be
the guy I would think that might have developed a suppressor of silence or something
like that to misdirect where shots come from. And we we've discussed that in
the past in the community before. For sure, it's not a popular topic
at this time, but it has been discussed in the past. Just so
you know, I'll try to look it up. I'd never really sign it
before. Yeah, you can find it. I want to say Ray Marcus
might have looked at it, but I'm not sure because I know Ray Marcus
did the whole tracing the three nine and all that stuff, which is another
thing you're gonna hear from. Uh Paul Uh? Oh god, what is
the guy? The Secret Service guy Paul Landis who recently came out with his
declaration that he pocketed the bullet and all this stuff, which yeah, yeah,
which I think is a load of crap. But you know, he
sold a book pretty well, didn't he. Uh. And then again,
there's plenty of people that do that. Every once in a while. They
pop up their heads, they offer a new theory, sell a book,
and then disappear because the theory falls apart, their alleged witness testimony, their
confession falls apart, et cetera, et cetera. You know, Uh,
James Files, mister Sutton there has been released from prison. We haven't heard
from him yet either, have we sixtieth anniversary. You thought we might have
heard from mister Files by now, but no. Okay, a lot of
things going on regarding JFK and uh, yeah, I hope you'll be listening,
Harlan, because that might be an interesting night. I have no idea
what those callers are going to bring to me, because I mean i'd call
im if you know there's any change, you know, if you're getting home.
But you know those big shows, I mean, you know, I'm
assuming that their thousand Chile and you only hear you know a handful. I'll
give you a Coast to Coast back. I'll give you a Coast to coast
hint because whenever I wanted to get on there as a caller, I was
able to do so. And the thing is is that you wait for just
before they go to commercial and then start to uh rapid dial your phone a
bunch of times, and that often helps. I was literally the first caller
in the twenty twelve show on JFK, just so you know, and that's
how I got well, actually I was given a little anyway, I'm not
going to talk about that, but the thing is, I was giving a
little hint. But you can get onto Coast to coast if you wait for
right when they're going to commercial break, right when you hear the music creep
in under the announcer uh and you start re dialing right then you'll often get
in because that's when the producers go to the lines and open them up real
quick and take the calls in again. I don't know why they have them,
but it was so I'm going to ask if you pre ordered Don Jefferies
note book on JFK. I believe it's Kyle Piped the Red Bimbo. Nope,
I have not gotten in this. He's uh, I guess that's what
Dean Andrews. Dean Andrews the Third he probably wrote it about right. Yeah,
yeah, I knew he was working on that until like this week.
I made to go back and check on it. No, I mean,
I'll see about who's putting that out? By the way, is that Skyhorse
or is it somebody else? I can't remember. I don't know if it
was them, or if it was his publisher on his Hitting history books.
Okay, because what he called Skyhorse won't send me books anymore, but one
of his other publishers might. I mean, I'll I'll take a look at
it, that's for sure, or Don wants to send me you know,
was that well, if Don wants to send me a copy, because I
don't know if I'll have money for it, but uh or you know,
then again, some people have sent me gifts lately. I even got one
of those prayer Man books sent to me in the mail recently, which I
didn't order. Somebody ordered it for me and sent it to me. Uh,
hey, be sure to take that in Dallas with you. I'm gonna
the cover is idiots by the way, No, because I want to read
it, so before you put it up for sale. Yeah, no,
I'll bring it with me. Maybe maybe if I can get through it quick,
I'll let you have it. But it's uh. The the cover is
the ugliest damn cover I've ever seen in a JFK book, bar none,
because it's a big blow up of blurry ass prayer man uh on the on
the front cover and that's all it is, with some text over it,
just so you know. It's gentlemen. I need to cut in here real
quick because I have I have to go. Sure, so I'm gonna I
will, I will, I will yield my time. Good conversation, and
Chuck, I will talk to you. I'll catch up with you this week.
Yeah. You all have a good evening and have a great weekend everyone.
Good night. Absolutely Katain, thank you. So that leaves us with
Vance BPTE. Should we go to Vance now or you want to throw something
in? Absolutely gotcha. We'll save you for the end then, Vance.
I know you've been on hold the longest time here, and I think you
were to first call her in. But how you doing, man, go
ahead, make you make your statement. Fine, I guess I could work
this in here with the JFK stuff. I sent you that link to the
speech of John Kennedy in nineteen sixty, you know, when he was running
for president and the zion this counsel or conference or whatever, I can't remember
the name of that, but it was a Zionist organization that he was addressing.
And and I read that real late at night, and so maybe I'm
just you know, kind of I might I might be wrong on it,
but it appeared to me that in that speech he was, you know,
real glowing and you know, all pro Israel and and you know, extolled
all the you know, virtues of the creation. And but then at the
end it seemed like he you know, what he was saying that you know,
he believed that, you know, that the peace could be achieved at
the United States presidents could could you know, call together whatever you know,
I can't remember about details, but you know, start that process of the
peace accords and all that kind of stuff, which I know they've done,
you know here in the bubble. But anyway, it's and is it seemed
to me that he, you know, made it pretty clear there at the
end that that our our goal should be to support peace on all sides,
and to support any one side and be argumented over the other side, and
that we should respond, you know, with equal authority to you right,
any wrongs of anyone attacking anyone. And so was that your impression or am
I just reading something into it or misremembering. No, you're not reading something
into it or misremembering. It's interesting when you take a look at Kennedy's public
speeches, which by the way, he was not the sole author of his
own public speeches. Usually he always had speech writers. But the sentiments are
always interesting. There is always a public side and a private side, and
they often contradict one another. You see, he makes all those glowing statements
and then at the end says, but I support the idea that we should
do this all very peacefully, which was not going to be done in the
nineteen sixties. And the thing is he also wanted Apak and other Israeli assets
to be recognized as hostile foreign entities here in this country, him and his
brother both his brother is attorney general and he is president, so there is
always a dualen. Yeah, that might have played into you know, why
he got off. Yeah. Well, but there's the thing is that there
is a theory out there that it's the Masade and literally people from the State
of Israel that are responsible for the assassination due to his hostility toward them,
and some of them falsely claimed that he was preventing Israel from getting nuclear weapons.
That's inaccurate because they already had the nuclear weapons for at least ten years
before he took office, at least, if not more. So there was
no preventing something that had already been in place. But it's it's very interesting
that he couldn't take it back, or he could have. Maybe he was
going to make trouble for it, you know. Yeah, that's also a
possibility. He was not entirely friendly in his actual actions to the State of
Israel. He wasn't unfriendly to it either. It's a weird thing. There's
nuance in there. It's not a clearly black and white issue with him.
And that's the funny part is almost anything, if you break it down,
you look at the public statements versus what was going on behind the scenes.
Always there's a dual track happening where quite often he's saying and some people think
that I'm being an apologist for him, I'm not. I'm just stating the
reality that some public statements don't really match the actions going on behind the scenes.
And that was a different time period where the idea was, you know
what, we're going to protect the people from even getting involved in some of
these discussions because they won't understand all the complicated issues. He was definitely a
product of that time and focused on the Cold War, fighting communism and all
that, even though he was also involved in the process of trying to make
de taut, trying to normalize stuff with Cuba, even after all the other
mess that went on. There's more than one thing happening. And it's never
black and white with Kennedy, which is always interesting because there are people that
make him into this great, you know, ethical hero, they're they're incorrect.
There are also others that make them into some you know, tremendous demon,
just a philandering, you know, screwing every chick you could, you
know, drug addict mess who was just you know, horrible person for our
nation. Those people are wrong too. He was a nuanced person who did
things that were not always black and white. There was nuance, there was
gray areas man, and that's what you could see through that speech and his
behavior towards the state of Israel one of many things where you can see that.
Yeah, go ahead, sorry, I'm just I'm you know, if
I was financially abel, i'd be you know, making I want peace.
We want peace t shirts and bumper stickers, and you know it's time.
You know, I'm sick and tired of talking about who did what when back
then and because and why It's like what we're going to do now? You
know, why do we have to keep going through all this stuff? Because
you know, I was just born a human being on planet Earth, and
I didn't get to choose where it was. And you know, so we
got to figure out a by the way that you know that we ain't going
to solve this by being this or that or that or this. We got
we got to be human beings again, and you know, it's time for
a peace revolution, you know, ten times bigger than what they had in
the sixties and all that, you know, and just you know, I
think a lot of people are really tired of it. I mean that the
empire's falling, okay, you know, and it can I guess follow on
our terms or their terms. And obviously they got the upper hand. But
you know, if we had a you know, uh, you know,
fifty hundred million people, you know, the event where you know, everybody
you know joined together and said we are tired of this and we don't want
to support it. Well maybe that can you know, stop, you know,
clog up the cars a little bit and move on to another diamond and
human evolution, you know, versus revolution. You know. So I'll stop
there and you'll have a great weekend and talk to you next time. Excellent
advance. Well, you know, to me, the idea that Kennedy was
consistently talking about peace and the concept of the abolition completely of warfare and conflict
and things like that, that to me was the most dangerous idea he ever
presented at American University, at Rice at other places. That to me was
the culmination of a whole lot of these things. Is that's the biggest problem,
is that that was going to be no good for the business of blood,
which is a lot of people's business. And I think that's the thing
that actually got him killed is the idea that if these programs, if cooperation,
if you know, stopping conflict and ceasing the spending on that was directed
more towards I don't know, furthering all of us who are sharing the same
air, the same planet, et cetera, et cetera. If that was
the concept that could be promoted, that would have been one of the most
dangerous things in the world for the powers that be. And I think that
was the biggest problem. I mean, it's my romantic idea about it.
After all, I guess is that anybody who tried to speak about peace and
cooperation and yeah, evolving a revolution of evolution, well in the nineteen sixties
they just put a bullet in their head for that and that was the end
of that whole thing. So that seems to me to be a consistent element
here, and that's the way it stood. And then I think once people
got tired of watching assassinations unfold, and you know, by the time somebody
tries to even shoot George Wallace for Christ's sake, you know, people got
a little tired of it all and then had to come up with new methodologies,
which is why Nixon, I think, got knee capped by a CIA
stooge again, another guy who comes up in that discussion with Jimmy James,
but and a group of CIA stooges who made sure to get him that office,
because no matter how criminal you think he was, he was really business
as usual, and he might have challenged the status quo also because he might
have been a true believer in the system and wanted it to behave Oh I
don't know, as it was mandated to behave. Yeah. I don't vilify
Nixon as much as a lot of other people do in history. But anyway,
there's a lot to it, a lot we can get at, and
I would love to see us of all evolve to a point where we don't
have to be shooting at one another, you know, whether it's locally,
or it's country to country, or it's you know, threatening weapons or utilizing
asymmetric warfare or terrorism or whatever it is you want to call it. To
achieve your goals. Yeah, I'd love to see us stop bartering in blood
in totality, but unfortunately I live on planet Earth and human beings don't seem
to want to abandon that methodology. I'd love to see it, though,
don't think it'll happen while I'm still breathing. But I got this weird little
strain of hope in me for some reason about it. So I wish Vancey
you were correct, And if enough people raised up their voice and said,
you know, stop the violence, that might actually stop the violence, no
matter where it is. But if history tells me anything, people do figure
out different ways to amplify their their bitching, but usually don't find a way
to accomplish such things because just the business of it is all too good.
What did you say earlier, b Pete, war is a racket? War
as hell? What was the whole statement? All true? Oh? Let's
see what was it? War's warld war as hell? War's racket. You
know that's what it is. It's bad for everybody there you go. So
with that, Bpe, I'll give you to final word for the night,
and uh, we're going to close out this one after let's see what is
it now? Wow, almost three hours. I didn't realize. Yeah,
I'm sorry. Yeah, the nice discussion. I mean, we hit the
gamut from being spammed with Gene Simmons interviews all the way through him up to
the current Middle East predicament. The one problem with this particular war, of
the two major ones that are going on, is humanity has been removed out
of the equation on both sides. You have one side that says survival at
all costs, and you have another side that says destroy them at all costs,
and they're pretty much going to run it to the limit of costs before
it's all said and done. You would think with all the technology and ability
that we have to convey fought, we could have sat down on or something
out by now. But it's a difference of ideologies, and these two ideologies
are going to butt heads for quite some time. But I don't know that
it'll ever be settled in our lifetime. Who knows other than that, you
know, another great discussion, another great week, and looking forward to doing
it next week. Wet's see, No, next week will be No,
We've got one more show then we go to to Dallas. Yep. Yeah,
exactly one more, one more of these Friday nights before we go.
Until that takes place, I'd like to urge everybody to go to Achelly dot
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not to stress too much over all the big stuff, right And if you
do that, By the way, I've got a new idea about what I'm
going to distribute to people in twenty twenty four. If you sign up for
a membership or support the website, et cetera, you'll be able to get
on an email list and I'm going to just simply send out the archive in
monthly choks to everybody who is a regular supporter at the website. How's that.
Plus there's a new way to get on the supporter wall if you want
to make a one time donation. I'm putting that out there for now,
and you can find those details at Ocelly dot com or get in touch with
me and we can work something out. I also want to thank Jimmy James
who early this morning when I was sitting there looking I got a donation from
him. So I'm going to declare him the executive producer for tonight's show for
doing so, and that's also what I'm gonna start doing for people to make
donations. Okay, so I'm gonna announce at least you know, IDU sorta
not give out your full information or anything because some people might not want to
be identified with the show. But I'm going to go back to doing that
like I used to do, where hey, look, you're now the executive
producer of the show, whatever show I get to after your donation. That's
what I'm gonna do from now on, and we're gonna do that through twenty
twenty four, where again I'm going to offer up those things plus all the
regular benefits for a membership at o'celly dot com. I want to go back
to that and see if we can't get some regular listener support, because otherwise
I'm gonna end up selling gold and silver and maybe a couple other products on
here, and I'm going to be in dat you with more commercials and stuff,
and i'd really rather not do that. I'd like to stay listeners supported
all together. So let's try and do that going forward, and hopefully my
appearance on Coast to Coast AM on November eighteenth, will help get us a
little exposure and maybe some new ears, new listeners, new community. You
can join us in the live chat room anytime I'm broadcasting, or even when
I'm not. You can always roll back the little Chattango chatroom. We got
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appreciate all of you that share the show, if you distribute the show,
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any contribution to spreading the word is extremely helpful, or to keeping me going
is also helpful, and in fact this month due to the fact that I
had to spend money on a tooth and everything else. Yeah, I'm going
to Dallas on on fumes. So whatever you chip in there is going to
go toward that trip, which me and b P it'll be departing in well
a little under two weeks now, but we're only going to have one more
live Friday night show before we go, because the Friday after that will be
live at Lancer and then that Saturday, like I said, I'll be on
Coast to Coast AM and then Sunday will be the end of the conference and
we'll come home. So sixtieth anniversary of the Kennedy assassination, tenth anniversary of
the o'helly effect, and that has now existed for a full decade. Which
again, you can get the whole archive if you're a regular supporter at the
website and you indicate to me that you want to be included in the twenty
twenty four monthly mailings, that's what's gonna happen. You're gonna get zip folders
full of gigs and gigs of over five thousand podcasts, more than two thousand
of mine and another two thousand plus of other peoples that I've produced, etc.
And other audio tracks, so on and so forth. So I'll just
give you the whole archive. If you support the website throughout the year,
what else can I give you. I'm not even gonna send out the bullet
tribes unless you really want them. I'll mail you one. If you want
some merch and all that good stuff, let me know. But still I'm
doing the whole just giving those things away as thank you gifts, and I'm
gonna give away thank you gifts at Lancer for the people that meet me in
person as well. So now that I've said all that, I want to
thank Vpete, I want to thank Vannerki himself. I want to thank Jimmy,
James Harlan and Captain Trips all for joining us tonight because they are what
made the open mic interesting on this particular Friday night. And no matter who
you are and where you are and when you are, I'm merely o'celly and
all of you