WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.519 --> 00:00:27.800 Weird things happened in the weird weird weird. So to go ahead and introduce 2 00:00:27.839 --> 00:00:32.320 our special guest tonight, we have Ruben Langdon. Rubin has been a friend 3 00:00:32.359 --> 00:00:35.159 of my father's. You guys have met and hung out once, all the 4 00:00:35.159 --> 00:00:38.079 way back in twenty twelve. If anybody has read UFO of God, they 5 00:00:38.079 --> 00:00:41.920 have seen where Dad went to this event out in Bucks County, PA called 6 00:00:41.920 --> 00:00:45.200 the Gathering and Ruben was one of the special guests there that night and they 7 00:00:45.240 --> 00:00:48.759 clicked. And I remember all those years ago Dad coming home and telling me, 8 00:00:49.039 --> 00:00:51.280 Hey, I'm met a friend. You might be really interested in this. 9 00:00:51.320 --> 00:00:53.359 He plays in video games. Have you heard of Double May Cry? 10 00:00:53.399 --> 00:00:56.520 And I was like, yeah, And I have to tell you, Rubin. 11 00:00:58.039 --> 00:01:02.359 You know, I remember the first time time I ever saw Devil May 12 00:01:02.399 --> 00:01:04.159 Cry when I was a kid growing up in a really Christian house. That 13 00:01:04.280 --> 00:01:08.840 wasn't a game that I owned because it had Devil in the Devil yep, 14 00:01:08.920 --> 00:01:11.959 But I wanted to play it so bad. And I remember being like, 15 00:01:12.040 --> 00:01:15.640 I think I was like a ten year old boy seeing it. Oh my 16 00:01:15.680 --> 00:01:18.359 god, you can fight the devil. You know, this is so cool? 17 00:01:18.400 --> 00:01:19.640 Like you know, this is a Christian game, but you know, 18 00:01:21.120 --> 00:01:23.840 it's just was a very nostalgic thing for me, and then dad meeting you 19 00:01:23.879 --> 00:01:26.799 all those years later. I always thought Devil May Cry was so cool. 20 00:01:27.239 --> 00:01:30.519 So we started chatting right before the holidays, and what did I do? 21 00:01:30.760 --> 00:01:34.040 I got a Steam deck for Christmas, so I was like, why not 22 00:01:34.120 --> 00:01:37.120 Double May Cry five is gonna be my first game? Got it on a 23 00:01:37.159 --> 00:01:41.439 ten dollars sale. I beat it in like three days. It was so 24 00:01:41.599 --> 00:01:46.799 good. It was so so good. So for those listening, Rubin has 25 00:01:46.840 --> 00:01:53.319 a very long, very colorful list in voice acting, stunt work, motion 26 00:01:53.560 --> 00:01:57.280 capture. I'm assuming you're very proficient martial arts to do a lot of this 27 00:01:57.439 --> 00:02:01.359 motion capture. All You're own Power Rangers by the way, big big rep 28 00:02:01.359 --> 00:02:07.120 there, and what did I miss there? Acting stuntwork, motion capture, 29 00:02:07.159 --> 00:02:09.960 and voice acting for animated video games. So, without further ado, we 30 00:02:10.000 --> 00:02:15.280 have our special guest, Ruben Langdon. Thanks Ryan Nick, thanks for having 31 00:02:15.360 --> 00:02:19.919 me. I'm a fan of your show. I have been. Once I 32 00:02:20.039 --> 00:02:23.199 found out from your dad that you were doing a podcast. I checked it 33 00:02:23.240 --> 00:02:25.960 out and I love the subjects you guys cover there, near and dear to 34 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:30.520 my heart, including the video games. But I like the philosophy and the 35 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:34.759 esoteric stuff. It's it's amazing work you guys are doing. That's awesome, 36 00:02:34.759 --> 00:02:38.159 man, Thank you so much, and same to you with the work you're 37 00:02:38.159 --> 00:02:42.520 doing. And it's very cool stuff. And I gotta say, let's let's 38 00:02:42.639 --> 00:02:45.120 I want to talk a little bit about Devil May Cry five. We're not 39 00:02:45.120 --> 00:02:46.719 going to sit here and do there's so much more stuff we want to talk 40 00:02:46.719 --> 00:02:51.240 about. But how cool of a synchronicity is that that? What was it 41 00:02:51.280 --> 00:02:54.639 Guy's last week or just the week before we put out our Cabala episode and 42 00:02:54.680 --> 00:03:00.319 then playing Yeah, and then playing through Devil May Cry five. The majority 43 00:03:00.360 --> 00:03:04.599 of the symbolism is Kabbala. Yeah, like the whole point of the game, 44 00:03:05.240 --> 00:03:07.840 which until you, until you text me and pointed it out, I 45 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:10.879 wasn't really following that thread. And then I thinking back on it, I 46 00:03:10.919 --> 00:03:14.960 was like, oh, yeah, I mean I'm a fan of Kabbala and 47 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:17.199 know a little bit, you know, the Tree of Life and some of 48 00:03:17.240 --> 00:03:22.759 the esoteric studies, but I didn't. I never made that connection. So 49 00:03:22.919 --> 00:03:25.000 thanks for pointing that out. Yeah. No, it kept sticking out to 50 00:03:25.039 --> 00:03:29.000 me because like, first of all, you're you're climbing a demonic tree. 51 00:03:29.080 --> 00:03:31.319 Right, it's a tree, and central to Kabala symbolism is the tree of 52 00:03:31.360 --> 00:03:34.800 life. But that's not what gave it away. But gave it away was 53 00:03:34.800 --> 00:03:37.520 from the very beginning they keep saying the cly Foth Tree, the cly Foth 54 00:03:37.520 --> 00:03:38.400 tree, and I'm a Clyfoth. I've heard that. I've heard that, 55 00:03:38.879 --> 00:03:44.719 and I looked it up, and Clyth in Kabbala lore is like, remember 56 00:03:44.759 --> 00:03:46.759 guys, when we did the Kabala episode and it was like they described the 57 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:52.520 realms as like layers of Like they use this language that's like the realms are 58 00:03:52.520 --> 00:03:57.680 wearing other realms like layers of clothes. Yes, so Clyfoth in actual Kabbala 59 00:03:58.240 --> 00:04:01.639 is like a dark layer. It's like the layers that permeate the realms where 60 00:04:01.639 --> 00:04:05.560 there's negative or evil energy. So they believe if there's a dark force, 61 00:04:05.599 --> 00:04:10.719 it exists within the realms of the Clifoth. And the whole plot of Devil 62 00:04:10.719 --> 00:04:15.439 May Cry five is you're climbing the top to the top of the Clyfoth tree 63 00:04:15.759 --> 00:04:19.639 to save Dante. Voiced by our friend Ruben. You're you're climbing the cly 64 00:04:19.759 --> 00:04:25.399 Foth tree to save Dante. But here's the catch. You know, you're 65 00:04:25.399 --> 00:04:28.240 climbing to the top to defeat the Demon King years in, but when you 66 00:04:28.240 --> 00:04:30.279 get to the top, you realize you're actually at the bottom and it's like 67 00:04:30.480 --> 00:04:34.160 as above, so below. So you spend you spend like three quarters of 68 00:04:34.160 --> 00:04:35.839 the game going all the way to the top of the tree, and then 69 00:04:35.839 --> 00:04:39.839 you get there and you know Dante's up there. You fight Virgil at the 70 00:04:39.839 --> 00:04:43.639 top of the tree, which is Dante's brother sick fight by the way, 71 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:46.480 and and you get up there and you're like, oh wait, we got 72 00:04:46.519 --> 00:04:50.279 to actually get to the real top, which is down in hell. So 73 00:04:50.319 --> 00:04:56.240 it's like, yeah, yeah, we didn't talk about the cly Foth Tree 74 00:04:56.319 --> 00:05:00.879 in the episode. Yeah, I wasn't aware of that. That's oh cool. 75 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:04.800 So yeah, it's just super cool. And like obviously you play through, 76 00:05:05.079 --> 00:05:10.120 you know, three quarters of the game as these other characters, Nero 77 00:05:10.480 --> 00:05:13.639 and v and they were really cool. But I was like, give me 78 00:05:13.639 --> 00:05:15.600 the Dante, give me the Dante. And then and then you get to 79 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:18.600 Dante, and I have to say, like from just like a nerdy, 80 00:05:18.680 --> 00:05:24.600 you know, Japanese action game fan, like the mechanics of actually playing Dante 81 00:05:24.800 --> 00:05:29.000 is genuinely. I'm not just saying this because you're here listening. It's genuinely 82 00:05:29.040 --> 00:05:34.160 one of the best fighting characters. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable, like the 83 00:05:34.439 --> 00:05:39.600 way the mechanics flow into one another and the different styles and it's super sick 84 00:05:39.639 --> 00:05:42.920 man and the lines are crazy, Like you definitely killed it. But that's 85 00:05:42.959 --> 00:05:47.800 awesome. So yeah, Well, throughout throughout your history voicing Dante while you 86 00:05:47.879 --> 00:05:53.120 were doing that, did you did you pick up any of the spiritual symbolism 87 00:05:53.240 --> 00:05:59.759 from like his story or even the surrounding like the world a little bit? 88 00:05:59.800 --> 00:06:04.240 You know, it's I think what's unique about the game is it has a 89 00:06:04.279 --> 00:06:13.160 basic story of sort of feuding brothers and you know, one one leaning towards 90 00:06:13.279 --> 00:06:15.720 evil, one leaning towards good, you know, or or pro humanity and 91 00:06:16.360 --> 00:06:24.079 against humanity, and so that sort of family family feud, I guess you 92 00:06:24.079 --> 00:06:30.920 could you could call it and and uh, there was a resonance there. 93 00:06:30.959 --> 00:06:34.240 I think that when a lot of people played it. Plus so my I 94 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:40.639 I actually didn't start voicing the character Donda Antel Don't Make Right three, which 95 00:06:40.759 --> 00:06:44.519 was sort of a reboot in itself. It was one and two came out, 96 00:06:44.600 --> 00:06:50.639 and then three was given to a new director Eats Nosan, and Uh 97 00:06:50.720 --> 00:06:57.959 the original creator and director Uh for one he left Capcom. So Capcom was 98 00:06:58.040 --> 00:07:00.720 kind of like, Okay, can you reboot this? Can you do something 99 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:03.920 cool with this? And then the character himself was sort of this rebellious teenager 100 00:07:05.399 --> 00:07:09.199 kind of stuck in a situation that he didn't want to be in. So 101 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:14.920 I think a lot of people and kids of that generation of like early two 102 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:21.480 thousands were I know myself, We're just sort of feeling that vibe of not 103 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:26.160 fitting in and being pressured to do something we didn't really want to do or 104 00:07:26.199 --> 00:07:30.519 something like that. So we weren't jiving with with the mainstream, you know, 105 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:34.319 nine to five job, go get the degree, you know, go 106 00:07:34.720 --> 00:07:39.720 become a lawyer, doctor and make everybody happy. So a lot of people 107 00:07:39.720 --> 00:07:44.040 were kind of not resonating with that storyline at that time. So there's a 108 00:07:44.079 --> 00:07:49.279 lot of nuanced things in that game and the storylines and the characters that I 109 00:07:49.319 --> 00:07:55.160 think resonated with people on a deeper level than just sort of your traditional game 110 00:07:55.920 --> 00:08:00.480 at that time that was coming out. So that continued over the year years. 111 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:05.240 The developers that Capcom were you trying to bring in new people. They 112 00:08:05.279 --> 00:08:09.240 actually my company was a new company at the time, just Caused Productions, 113 00:08:09.639 --> 00:08:16.600 and they the reason we sort of got the gig was Capcom wanted to try 114 00:08:16.639 --> 00:08:20.120 something different and new and we were sort of this this my partner and I. 115 00:08:20.160 --> 00:08:28.680 We were but a bi coastal sort of Japanese American and American company that 116 00:08:31.160 --> 00:08:37.480 and we were pitching too. We were pitching to Capcom that there would be 117 00:08:37.480 --> 00:08:43.200 a better Uh, it was about the English performers. So at that up 118 00:08:43.279 --> 00:08:48.679 until that time, they were just basically hiring Japanese motion capture performers and then 119 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:54.039 having them and then dubbing. Like Metal Gear and all those games were cast 120 00:08:54.080 --> 00:08:58.519 out of Japan, they would do do everything in Japanese and then they would 121 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:03.720 dub everything in English after the fact. And our sort of pitch to Capcom 122 00:09:03.720 --> 00:09:05.320 and other game companies was, hey, if you go through our company, 123 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:11.759 we can get you actual talent from from the US and we can do the 124 00:09:11.639 --> 00:09:16.559 from the get go. We can do the motion capture with English performers, 125 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:22.279 English speaking performers native and that would give us a more instead of like a 126 00:09:22.279 --> 00:09:24.480 bad Kung Fu movie kind of dub. This would give us some more authentic 127 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:33.519 performance from the characters. So then that would then allow the audience to get 128 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:39.879 more into the game. The body is different to the language is different. 129 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:43.559 Yeah, yeah, and what you'd have is Japanese actors, very good actors, 130 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:50.039 but because English wasn't their native language, they would pretend or think what 131 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:54.919 they thought like English acting is right, just over the top sort of gestures 132 00:09:54.960 --> 00:09:58.639 and these kinds of things, and sometimes it works and sometimes it didn't. 133 00:09:58.240 --> 00:10:05.840 But we were sort of pitching to Capcom that we would take that that burden 134 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:11.480 of translation Lost in Translation. Its funny as around that time the Bill Murray 135 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:16.360 movie Lost in Translation came out. Uh, so we were sort of like, 136 00:10:16.440 --> 00:10:26.039 see that's what and so Capcom was again. We were grateful to be 137 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:31.720 introduced to directors and producers like Eatsan and the team, the Doll Make Right 138 00:10:31.799 --> 00:10:35.759 team who wanted to do something different. So they brought us in and we 139 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:41.159 were able to provide that service, which kind of launched our company. Uh, 140 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:45.399 put us on the map, and they gave us a lot of responsibilities 141 00:10:45.840 --> 00:10:48.320 as we were sort of proving ourselves over and over. We you know, 142 00:10:48.360 --> 00:10:54.519 we brought in English speaking native English speaking script writers, to then take the 143 00:10:54.600 --> 00:10:58.399 Japanese script, localize it, but go an extra mile, you know, 144 00:10:58.519 --> 00:11:01.919 and then and then sing with the performers. Everybody would take their lines, 145 00:11:03.679 --> 00:11:07.360 and a lot of times in that world when you when you're going between cultures, 146 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:11.159 the Japanese language, you'd sort of get a line and you'd give it 147 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:13.759 to the actor and the actor would see it and it doesn't really make sense, 148 00:11:13.799 --> 00:11:16.440 but they still kind of finagle it and do it. So we would 149 00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:20.519 be we wouldn't do that. We would say, well, this doesn't make 150 00:11:20.559 --> 00:11:22.120 sense, and we'd sit with the actor and like, well, this is 151 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:26.480 what they're trying to convey. This is sort of the idea, and they're 152 00:11:26.480 --> 00:11:28.720 like, oh, if that's the case, then maybe this line will work 153 00:11:28.759 --> 00:11:33.679 better this. So we work with the actors with on set translators and writers, 154 00:11:35.080 --> 00:11:39.480 professional writers, not just translators, and we really immersed ourselves in trying 155 00:11:39.519 --> 00:11:46.639 to deliver a true, authentic version of what the Japanese creators were trying to 156 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:52.960 convey, because a lot of stuff does. I lived in Japan for four 157 00:11:54.039 --> 00:12:01.080 years, five years speak in Japanese, and that was sort of my contribution 158 00:12:01.159 --> 00:12:05.480 because I was a fan of these games, but I saw how brutally destroyed 159 00:12:05.480 --> 00:12:09.919 they got when they were getting localized into English. So I was like, 160 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:15.240 okay, so let's do that. So Capcom over the years gave us more 161 00:12:15.240 --> 00:12:22.879 and more responsibilities, from script writing to rewriting the whole script to actually doing 162 00:12:22.919 --> 00:12:26.559 the motion capture. We later my studio, we got the equipment and we 163 00:12:26.559 --> 00:12:31.919 started doing motion capture in America for the Resident Evil games. So it was 164 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:41.519 it was a fun exploration and co development on projects through with Capcom over the 165 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:43.840 years. Yeah, I feel like you don't You don't get that a lot 166 00:12:43.919 --> 00:12:48.799 that's extremely thorough, that's like due diligence, and I guess it came from 167 00:12:48.879 --> 00:12:54.039 your genuine care about the source material and the games, you know what I 168 00:12:54.039 --> 00:12:58.399 mean, Because you're absolutely right the Kung Fu movie thing that you're talking about, 169 00:12:58.480 --> 00:13:01.679 it happens. It does happen, and like the stuff doesn't translate perfectly, 170 00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:05.639 and usually the as the players were like, it's fine, like we 171 00:13:05.759 --> 00:13:09.639 give it grace, it's all good. But to do go the extra mile, 172 00:13:09.720 --> 00:13:16.639 like you said, and have that like bicoastal collaboration that is epic and 173 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:20.799 I think that should be like standard across the board. Yeah, you think 174 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:26.960 I was very very impressed with the voice acting and Devil May Cry five, 175 00:13:28.159 --> 00:13:31.000 I really believed it, like I believe that you guys were pitching and you 176 00:13:31.039 --> 00:13:33.240 know, sure, it's like it's over the top. We know that about 177 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:37.279 our Japanese games and anime. They're always over the top, very dramatic. 178 00:13:37.639 --> 00:13:41.600 But like at the end there, especially when you get to the top of 179 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:43.679 the Clive Fall three, not the one in Hell, but like the fake 180 00:13:43.720 --> 00:13:46.639 top which is near the end of the game. You get there and there's 181 00:13:46.679 --> 00:13:50.480 that moment where a spoiler alert for anyone who hasn't played, highly recommend it. 182 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:54.080 It's also not long either. It took me like twelve hours to play 183 00:13:54.120 --> 00:13:58.799 through the entire game front to back, and it's like, dude, that 184 00:13:58.879 --> 00:14:01.519 line when you know Nero gets up there, he awakens, he regrows his 185 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:05.399 arm, and another cool little subplot to Devil make Cries even though they're like 186 00:14:05.440 --> 00:14:09.399 demons, they like awaken into these godlike beings, like they have these awakening 187 00:14:09.440 --> 00:14:13.679 powers and it's kind of like a super saying transformation mechanic, Like it's really 188 00:14:13.679 --> 00:14:16.919 cool. But that line when you find out that Virgil is Nero's father, 189 00:14:18.039 --> 00:14:20.600 when you're pitching that as Dante and you're like, cause he's your father. 190 00:14:20.679 --> 00:14:24.279 I was like, oh, I got chilled, super deep, super emotional, 191 00:14:24.440 --> 00:14:30.399 like di stellar performance. I definitely left being a huge Devil May Cry 192 00:14:30.399 --> 00:14:33.480 fan. I'm sitting here googling like when his Devil May Cry six and another 193 00:14:33.480 --> 00:14:37.399 synchronicity there. I just thought it was so weird that we met. And 194 00:14:37.480 --> 00:14:39.720 again it's like my dad. You and my dad have known each other for 195 00:14:39.759 --> 00:14:41.120 many years. But you know how life is. It gets busy, out 196 00:14:41.120 --> 00:14:43.799 of side, out of mind, and you know, people go on their 197 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:48.559 own path and then you reconverge. And I just thought the timing of everything 198 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:50.919 was funny. You guys are gonna laugh at me, but I pay attention 199 00:14:50.960 --> 00:14:52.559 to synchronicities. So we meet, I play the game, I'm like, 200 00:14:52.600 --> 00:14:56.000 oh my god, now I'm like everything I can consume about Devil May Cry. 201 00:14:56.200 --> 00:15:00.639 Dante's coming to Fortnite, by the way, that's well, that is 202 00:15:00.679 --> 00:15:05.480 so obscure. That is so weird, right, Dante got announced as well, 203 00:15:05.480 --> 00:15:11.200 that's one of them as leaked as an upcoming Fortnite skin and the Dante, 204 00:15:11.320 --> 00:15:15.759 I mean the Devil Mycry. There's an anime coming out. And then 205 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:18.399 today before our episode, I was just googling, like, dang, I 206 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:20.840 really need another game. Yesterday they just announced a new mobile game, so 207 00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:24.279 there's some sort of resurgence of double mccry happening right now. It's like the 208 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:28.080 mobile game looks pretty cool. But I just thought that was so funny that 209 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:33.240 we met at this time, and like it definitely catalyzed some new crazy fans, 210 00:15:33.279 --> 00:15:35.919 like I want to go back and play through three four, whatever the 211 00:15:35.960 --> 00:15:39.200 other little remakes are. I mean, I'm just I'm having a ball with 212 00:15:39.279 --> 00:15:41.000 it. Man, it's awesome. How does that feel, though, Like, 213 00:15:41.080 --> 00:15:46.519 how does that feel like I am that character that's so many millions in 214 00:15:46.559 --> 00:15:50.879 enjoy. At first, it was it was kind of like wow, you 215 00:15:50.919 --> 00:15:54.759 know, because I was a fan of the game as well, playing the 216 00:15:54.799 --> 00:16:00.200 game and then getting cast as the role. But over time, I I 217 00:16:00.200 --> 00:16:03.120 guess I kind of got used to it. I did the convention scene pre 218 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:07.639 COVID. I was hitting the convention scene pretty hard, going to appearances and 219 00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:12.279 doing autograph signs and and all that stuff. And I would add conventions. 220 00:16:12.320 --> 00:16:18.399 I would usually sort of begged them to add a special panel so I could 221 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:23.360 talk all my UFO and conspiracy stuff, and they would, and it was 222 00:16:23.720 --> 00:16:27.840 and I was for a long time trying to like bridge those worlds a little 223 00:16:27.840 --> 00:16:32.240 bit like from from from uh, and you guys do a great job of 224 00:16:32.240 --> 00:16:36.919 it. But so many of you'd think more, there'd be more of a 225 00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:41.639 crossover, But I was actually surprised. I'd be at my late night UFO 226 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:47.360 talks and I'd have like ten people in the room and then I do you 227 00:16:47.399 --> 00:16:49.000 know, we do a Devil mccry panel and it's you know, a thousand 228 00:16:49.039 --> 00:16:55.360 people. But it was. But so it just blew my mind how little 229 00:16:55.559 --> 00:17:00.720 of a crossover there would be. But of course the fans, you know, 230 00:17:00.879 --> 00:17:06.279 I love the genre. I love the conventioned scenes. I love the 231 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:12.960 devotion into the cost costplayworld and and how people really get into that. And 232 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:19.880 I think it's a it's an amazing generally safe place for for young kids to 233 00:17:21.039 --> 00:17:25.279 hang out in and and do stuff. There's, you know, there's always 234 00:17:25.759 --> 00:17:30.799 as those scenes get bigger, there's you know, mishaps and things and people 235 00:17:30.839 --> 00:17:33.200 take advantage of other people and all that stuff happens, but overall it's a 236 00:17:33.319 --> 00:17:38.920 it's a safe place, and to see just the fandom around it, I 237 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:44.240 love it too. I get in there with with the other with the other 238 00:17:44.559 --> 00:17:48.680 fans and geek out about a lot of this stuff. So yeah, yeah, 239 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:52.680 you would think there's more overlap. I'm surprised by that. You know, 240 00:17:52.839 --> 00:17:56.160 we, I mean a lot of our fans. Maybe it's because we 241 00:17:56.359 --> 00:18:00.799 talk about video games a lot on our UFO centered show or are you know 242 00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:07.119 Phenomenon centered show a lot of them. It's like they're into phenomenon video games. 243 00:18:07.160 --> 00:18:11.640 It's like equal. I would have expected there would have been a bigger 244 00:18:11.680 --> 00:18:15.200 overlap. That's crazy. That's one of our favorites. I was gonna say, 245 00:18:15.240 --> 00:18:19.160 I think it's probably it's probably now it's starting to the bridge is getting 246 00:18:19.480 --> 00:18:23.599 easier to cross, but ten years ago it's very difficult. Oh yeah, 247 00:18:23.680 --> 00:18:27.240 yeah that makes sense. Honestly. Yeah, it's one of our favorite things 248 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:30.839 to talk about. Like I was telling you last week when we were setting 249 00:18:30.839 --> 00:18:34.880 this up, it's like we just love talking about like esoteric themes in pop 250 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:38.359 culture and am I and in my mind, like the UFO subject is esoteric, 251 00:18:38.440 --> 00:18:41.400 right, They're they're really one and the same. I Mean, there's 252 00:18:41.440 --> 00:18:45.200 so much of this esoteric spiritual law in the UFO subject. But it's just 253 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:47.960 so cool and we question this all the time. Is it like, are 254 00:18:47.960 --> 00:18:52.480 these creators, these artists, these visionaries creating these products. Are they some 255 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:56.440 sort of you know, is there somebody above them who's initiated in some order 256 00:18:56.480 --> 00:18:59.200 saying put this in it? Or like Nick says a lot, which I 257 00:18:59.240 --> 00:19:03.160 tend to think might be the case. Are they so locked into like that 258 00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:07.880 mystical field of knowledge. Are they tapping into that collective unconsciousness or you know, 259 00:19:07.960 --> 00:19:11.920 collective unconscious and like this stuff is leaking into the material. I don't 260 00:19:11.960 --> 00:19:18.640 know, but there definitely is an overlap subconsciously for sure, but very fascinating 261 00:19:18.640 --> 00:19:23.079 stuff. Yeah, it's it's funny. I think more of the esoteric stuff 262 00:19:23.119 --> 00:19:29.599 because it's not so nail on the head when you start getting to nuts and 263 00:19:29.640 --> 00:19:37.319 bolts uphology. It's almost too much for creators too, it's too it's too 264 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:44.400 exact, there's too much stuff there. So I think people, especially content 265 00:19:44.440 --> 00:19:48.119 creators, who are looking for inspiration, it's easier to go into sort of 266 00:19:48.359 --> 00:19:56.079 esoteric or not so solidified concepts and beliefs, and they can pull in to 267 00:19:56.920 --> 00:20:03.920 their imaginary world because because that again it also isn't isn't so fixed. But 268 00:20:04.519 --> 00:20:08.559 so I think it's I would imagine for content creators and and I and I 269 00:20:08.599 --> 00:20:15.000 agree with you. I think most of the creators that I've interacted with they're 270 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:19.680 interested in the philosophy. But when you start saying, no, this stuff's 271 00:20:19.720 --> 00:20:23.359 real, guys, then it's then there's almost like it's like no, no, 272 00:20:23.400 --> 00:20:26.440 this is fantasy land. And I create fantasy for a living, and 273 00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:30.759 I can merge those worlds. But when you start saying there's no, there's 274 00:20:30.880 --> 00:20:37.480 actual physicalized craft coming from other dimensions that you know, people are interacting with 275 00:20:37.559 --> 00:20:41.240 or people have interacted with, or the government has some and you know, 276 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:45.119 and these things are happening, like that's too it's too on the it's too 277 00:20:45.759 --> 00:20:51.759 real for them to incorporate that. I'm just pushing fantasy man, Like, 278 00:20:51.920 --> 00:20:55.319 yeah, I can tell you that's cool. Well, I got to ask 279 00:20:55.359 --> 00:20:56.559 a few more questions about the motion capture thing, and then I want to 280 00:20:56.599 --> 00:21:00.920 pick your brain because I see you're very, very interested in UFOs, and 281 00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:03.599 I would I would like to get to the bottom of that. But I 282 00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:06.480 have to say, like, when I'm looking at your IMDb, you have 283 00:21:06.519 --> 00:21:10.640 a laundry list of motion capture and I've always been very fascinated. I mean, 284 00:21:10.720 --> 00:21:12.359 me and Nick we just watched The Two Towers a few weeks ago, 285 00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:15.720 do you remember, and you were geeking out, like, you know, 286 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:18.039 this is the first motion capture it ever, Like we just love that stuff, 287 00:21:18.480 --> 00:21:22.519 you know, we're talking about Smiegel. But when it says you do 288 00:21:22.599 --> 00:21:26.599 motion capture, like let's say I'm playing Devil May Cry five, right and 289 00:21:26.680 --> 00:21:32.119 Dante is spinning around doing these like Capo era kicks, are you really doing 290 00:21:32.160 --> 00:21:38.559 that to an extent? So that's the beauty of motion capture is you have 291 00:21:38.680 --> 00:21:44.359 an assisted animator that's going to take your movements and take and go the extra 292 00:21:44.839 --> 00:21:48.880 the extra mile with it. So most of those really you know, flying 293 00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:52.119 through the air and doing those crazy moves. Uh. There, we do 294 00:21:53.079 --> 00:21:57.960 some of its wireworks. Some of it is just some basic ins and outs. 295 00:21:59.119 --> 00:22:03.400 So you start the movement and then then you kind of or you strike 296 00:22:03.440 --> 00:22:10.920 a certain pose. And because there are a lot of it's not very exciting, 297 00:22:10.960 --> 00:22:11.759 you know, like Kung Fu movies, you see the guy in the 298 00:22:11.759 --> 00:22:17.759 wire and they're flying and doing some really amazing things and some green screen help 299 00:22:17.799 --> 00:22:19.160 and whatnot. But when and when you're in motion capture, a lot of 300 00:22:19.160 --> 00:22:22.440 times you're just on like a a chair, like you know, like my 301 00:22:22.559 --> 00:22:26.559 rotating chair here, and you're just striking a certain pose and then you go 302 00:22:26.599 --> 00:22:32.480 to the next post and you're then then you the animators take over in between, 303 00:22:32.480 --> 00:22:34.960 and you sort of a lot of let me see if I can find 304 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:41.279 my my characters here, but we got well, I'm sorry, my my 305 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:45.119 my figures. You know, this is a Bruce leefigure for example. So 306 00:22:45.680 --> 00:22:52.480 this is a standard on every motion capture set because you're you're you're trying to 307 00:22:52.480 --> 00:22:55.799 explain to the animators, Okay, he's going to do this and then he's 308 00:22:55.799 --> 00:22:59.640 going to go into a front tuck and then do this move and then like 309 00:22:59.759 --> 00:23:04.640 that. So that's a lot of a lot of those extravagant moves are that 310 00:23:06.640 --> 00:23:15.680 and the goal is to have that seamless connection between the actual physical performance, 311 00:23:15.680 --> 00:23:18.960 which is one hundred percent real, you know when we're when the dialogue scenes. 312 00:23:21.640 --> 00:23:25.319 One of the reasons I think the motion capture technology works so well is 313 00:23:25.359 --> 00:23:32.279 it it is one to one. There's not much adjustment there other than the 314 00:23:32.319 --> 00:23:36.359 costumes and things like that. But you know, the performance is one hundred 315 00:23:36.359 --> 00:23:38.680 percent there. And then when it goes to the crazy stuff, yes, 316 00:23:38.759 --> 00:23:45.000 there's animation help humans can't physically do that a lot of the times, but 317 00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:48.880 as much as we can do to help the animators out, and then as 318 00:23:49.279 --> 00:23:56.799 an action director or whoever's doing the choreography would then explain to the animators, 319 00:23:56.839 --> 00:23:59.480 and then it becomes a collaboration and then the animators like, well what if 320 00:23:59.480 --> 00:24:00.559 we did this, Yeah, let's do that, you know. So it's 321 00:24:00.920 --> 00:24:04.640 it's a it's a team effort. So then my last question about that subject 322 00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:08.799 there in d m C five, when you get the hat of doctor Faust 323 00:24:08.839 --> 00:24:11.720 and Dante puts it on and does the Michael Jackson dance, did you do 324 00:24:14.039 --> 00:24:17.400 I did not do that dance. Now that dance is that was a that 325 00:24:17.519 --> 00:24:19.839 was not animated. That was I mean, there was a little animation over 326 00:24:19.880 --> 00:24:27.640 it. But they actually brought in a pretty famous Michael Jackson in Japanese. 327 00:24:27.680 --> 00:24:34.200 They called Mono money like an impersonator. So they brought in a Japanese Michael 328 00:24:34.279 --> 00:24:42.000 Jackson professional dancer that that they captured him up and did all that. So 329 00:24:42.680 --> 00:24:48.000 again I handed it off. I just did the first couple of putting the 330 00:24:48.039 --> 00:24:52.079 hat on and then starting to move, and then then it's the other guy 331 00:24:52.119 --> 00:24:53.640 and then it seamlessly comes back to me. No, I I wish I 332 00:24:53.640 --> 00:24:57.839 could move like that. That was the best part of the game, dude, 333 00:24:57.880 --> 00:25:02.160 when that happened. I'm telling you, when that happened, I just 334 00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:08.359 sat there laughing maniacally like of course coming through and sometimes it translates, sometimes 335 00:25:08.359 --> 00:25:11.359 it doesn't. Luckily that one, that's funny. I just saw a video 336 00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:15.200 today on TikTok, or maybe it was yesterday. I saw a video in 337 00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:17.640 a previous DMC. I haven't played the older one yet. I'm gonna work 338 00:25:17.680 --> 00:25:21.200 backwards, but I saw I saw one of Dante just like shredding an electric 339 00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:22.720 guitar, and I was like, oh my god, I've got a this 340 00:25:22.759 --> 00:25:29.839 is too much, but awesome. Amazing performance, amazing story, dialogue, 341 00:25:29.880 --> 00:25:33.240 the acting. Honestly, dude, I'm I'm not saying this because you're here. 342 00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:36.440 You gotta believe me. It was just some of the most jaw dropping 343 00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:38.839 like voice acting like I believed it. Like the scenes. I don't know 344 00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:41.160 if you I don't know if you knew all the characters. I don't know 345 00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:44.359 how it works. I don't know if you met everybody. And yeah, 346 00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:52.079 yet capturing so cool. So Nico the girl who drives the bus something about 347 00:25:52.119 --> 00:25:56.039 the way they animated her face with the voice acting. I was like, 348 00:25:56.240 --> 00:25:59.000 wow, like this, this is just amazing. It was top notch, 349 00:25:59.079 --> 00:26:00.759 ten out of ten. Highly recommend people out there. We're going to move 350 00:26:00.839 --> 00:26:03.680 on from the DMC topic. I had to hit that because you know, 351 00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:07.839 I'm a fan and it's super cool but amazing. I think it's on PS 352 00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:11.759 Plus and I think it's on game Pass. So if you're subscribed to PS 353 00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:14.400 plus or game Pass, you're out there, you want to check it out. 354 00:26:14.680 --> 00:26:17.960 It should be free. But anyway, awesome game. So now we 355 00:26:18.039 --> 00:26:27.440 got to ask what's what what sparked your fascination in UFOs. Wow, well, 356 00:26:27.480 --> 00:26:32.880 having my sighting, I had a sighting in two thousand and seven while 357 00:26:32.880 --> 00:26:37.559 we're an Avatar Yeah right, was that the same year as your experience? 358 00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:42.880 Yeah, okay, yeah, two thousand and seven. I was working on 359 00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:49.920 Avatar at the time, so we just wrapped on Devil May Cry four, 360 00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:55.920 right, Yeah, we wrapped in four started working on Avatar the film. 361 00:26:56.039 --> 00:27:02.160 I was the main stunt Devil for Jake Selly. Oh my god, that's 362 00:27:02.200 --> 00:27:06.920 amazing. So that's amazing. So again, motion capture, so I sort 363 00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:14.279 of got into that. I was one of the earlier performers in the motion 364 00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:19.119 capture space, because I had done resideval Code Veronica way back in the nineteen 365 00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:26.599 ninety seven if you believe that, So then uh, I guess. And 366 00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:29.759 then I after and I was living in Japan at the time, and then 367 00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:33.279 I moved to this back to the States and started working on Power Rangers and 368 00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:41.079 in the early two thousands and and then I got called for some motion capture 369 00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:44.640 stuff just because at that time, especially in America, a lot of people 370 00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:48.759 didn't know what it was. Japan had sort of adopted using it in like 371 00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:52.200 Final Fantasy and Metal Gear and some of these you know doublem cries in the 372 00:27:52.240 --> 00:28:00.720 cut scenes, right. It was more used for sort of creating deeper animation 373 00:28:00.799 --> 00:28:03.400 in a sense, because the hand animate all that stuff would take a long 374 00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:08.799 time. So they were like, let's just throw some motion capture sensors on 375 00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:11.720 these guys and have them do the stuff. So I had that experience, 376 00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:15.440 and then I came back to the States and I was working on Power Rangers, 377 00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:22.160 and I got approached by the creative of Mortal Kombat, John Fias, 378 00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:29.279 and he was he had heard about my work and was casting the game and 379 00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:32.920 wanted me to help sort of put together a team of martial artists for the 380 00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:37.599 game. It was called Tao Fang. It never went anywhere but an old 381 00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:42.680 Xbox when the Xbox first came out. So I got this reputation in Hollywood 382 00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:49.319 as the go to guy for motion capture because of just having the experience and 383 00:28:49.519 --> 00:28:56.559 understanding the technology and the limitations and the non limitations. You know, what 384 00:28:57.000 --> 00:29:00.039 is that space, what can we do and what we can do. So 385 00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:06.240 by the time Avatar was around and they were casting for that, everybody was 386 00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:07.559 throwing my name in the hat, saying, you got a call Ruben, 387 00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:11.799 he knows this stuff, he knows this stuff. And they had they were 388 00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:15.000 doing testing and then they they eventually they called me in. I was working 389 00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:22.720 on Pirates of the Caribbean at the time, four at three and four in 390 00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:30.519 Yeah, Yeah, and they the the stunt corner, Garrett Garrett Warren. 391 00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:33.559 He he said, hey, I've you know, I've been hearing your name 392 00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:36.079 around. Why don't you come in. We're going to do some tests. 393 00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:41.839 And I went in and and I saw how Cameron was sort of losing his 394 00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:45.720 patience with a lot of the performers. You know, these were really good 395 00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:48.519 star performers just because they haven't worked in that environment. They didn't understand the 396 00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:52.680 technology, the dudes and the don'ts. So it was quite intimidating for a 397 00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:56.000 new performer. For me, it was, you know, that's where I 398 00:29:56.079 --> 00:30:00.079 was living already for several years. I've been in that space. Uh So 399 00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:03.839 as soon as I got on set, I felt very comfortable. Cameron liked 400 00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:07.720 what what I was doing, and then I soon became, you know, 401 00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:11.319 the main stunt double for for Jake Sully. And it was while working on 402 00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:15.319 that film. Uh. It was supposed to be a year sort of contract. 403 00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:19.640 It ended up being four years, and uh, and I was learning 404 00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:23.359 a lot about uh. You know, at that time, I was my 405 00:30:23.880 --> 00:30:27.240 goals in life were like to become an action star, you know, to 406 00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:33.079 be I was running a production my production company, doing motion capture video game 407 00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:37.920 stuff. I was just trying to do my best in that world as far 408 00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:45.440 as you know, create awesome visual action. I was looking always looking outside 409 00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:49.079 the box of of what was sort of out there, uh, in the 410 00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:53.640 action world. Because I had lived and worked in Hong Kong and Japan and 411 00:30:55.000 --> 00:31:00.279 worked with Jackie Chan at the time before that, up to that we're in 412 00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:06.559 Hong Kong cinema, So I knew what like awesome action was and that was 413 00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:10.920 sort of my goals. But Cameron was giving me a notice to me at 414 00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:15.359 the time, an education on indigenous cultures we were learning we had to become. 415 00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:19.519 In addition to the stunt double, I was also playing a lot of 416 00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:22.640 random NAVI characters, just the background stuff. So we're riding the horses. 417 00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:26.599 So whenever you know you saw a Navy in the background doing their thing, 418 00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:30.200 that was just a small group of us doing all the motion capture for several 419 00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:33.759 of those characters. That's the beauty of motion capture. You don't need to 420 00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:37.400 have a unique individual for each one of those characters. You can have three 421 00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:42.079 guys who they render different looks. Yeah yeah, they do different looks, 422 00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:45.720 but the body can be the same. Performers just give us a different performance. 423 00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:53.839 So so Cameron want the being the guy. He's super attention to detail, 424 00:31:55.000 --> 00:32:01.000 so he was having us study and learn about different indigenous cultures from around 425 00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:06.960 the world. And in the studio we had pasted all over the walls. 426 00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:14.240 There were all of these different pictures of different indigenous from Africa, America, 427 00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:23.480 South America, even some European like older Druids traditions, Asian Asian, so 428 00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:29.680 that we got to see their clothing and and it was sort of my job 429 00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:36.400 as an actor to learn and to authentically move like them, because that was 430 00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:38.680 the nave. Even though there were sort of these space aliens, they had 431 00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:45.240 to move and act in a in a way that people resonated with and and 432 00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:51.599 sort of the base was was all the different indigenous cultures from around the world. 433 00:32:51.960 --> 00:32:57.000 So at that time I started studying indigenous cultures and seeing the similarities that 434 00:32:57.200 --> 00:33:00.640 they had in some of their beliefs, in some of their how they did 435 00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:06.559 things, and I was starting to connect some dots. And then what we 436 00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:13.119 had at that time, YouTube was just coming out, and during the two 437 00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:17.400 thousand and six right so during the production of Avatar, we had a lot 438 00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:22.759 of downtime because at the time the motion capture technology, especially the way Cameron 439 00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:27.920 was using at the time, was very innovative, and he was pushing the 440 00:33:27.960 --> 00:33:31.079 machines to do as much as they possibly could, and they would often break 441 00:33:31.759 --> 00:33:37.119 and filming. So whenever they break, you know, actors in the back, 442 00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:40.240 you know, we'd go hang out in the changing rooms and open up 443 00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:45.440 our laptops and check out, let's see what the what's going on on YouTube? 444 00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:51.799 And I got exposed to the two thousand and one doctor Stephen Grier's Disclosure 445 00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:57.200 Project, which was the first two hour conference, so to say. On 446 00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:05.079 you had folks from now and different whistleblowers sort of talking about the extraterrestial presence 447 00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:07.280 and how it was real. And my mind was like, what, how 448 00:34:07.280 --> 00:34:14.199 did I miss this? And then then we saw films like The Zeitgeist and 449 00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:20.760 That's a change, and they were like opening my mind. What you know, 450 00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:22.679 nine to eleven wasn't what we were told. Uh, you know, 451 00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:28.480 the whole religion thing is is what's what are all these connections that are being 452 00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:32.559 made through through the different religions and the stars. Yes, it was. 453 00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:38.519 It was quite mind bending at the time. Uh So I think it was 454 00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:46.719 just that that that uh colamation of of all these these different modalities and ideas 455 00:34:46.719 --> 00:34:52.480 and concepts that just broke my my brain open, uh to allow for this 456 00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:58.119 experience. In two thousand and seven, I was at home one day, 457 00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:01.280 one of the rare days we had off we were sometimes working seven days a 458 00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:07.880 week on set, and I was catching up doing laundry and walked outside the 459 00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:13.320 laundry mat and looked up and I saw kind of a fleet of these little 460 00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:17.960 specs which looked like you know, stars in the sense if you were to 461 00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:22.679 look at a bright blue sky in the middle of the day. And there's 462 00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:25.760 been a lot of footage of like Mexico sidings. Even in New York they've 463 00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:30.400 had sightings like this where these little dots show up in the sky. And 464 00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:32.199 my mind was blown. I was like, what is this? Is this, 465 00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:36.000 you know, a UFO event? Who else has seen this? And 466 00:35:36.079 --> 00:35:37.800 I thought at that time, Oh, this is it. The cats out 467 00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:40.880 of the bag. The whole world's going to know about UFOs, uh, 468 00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:45.480 and this is real. And then the next day it was nothing. You 469 00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:47.119 know, the news didn't cover it at all, and I was like, 470 00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:51.719 oh my god, I was I delusional, you know what? What was 471 00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:55.480 going on there? And then that's when I started a deep dive into trying 472 00:35:55.519 --> 00:36:00.880 to figure out what I saw and uh and then realizing that, you know, 473 00:36:01.840 --> 00:36:07.480 there's a much bigger story here that's not being told, and that that 474 00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:14.320 propelled me into the rabbit hole of trying to figure out the phenomenon and my 475 00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:17.239 research so so I can kind of say, since two thousand and seven, 476 00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:22.639 I've been a pretty hardcore researcher into the phenomenon, trying to understand it while 477 00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:28.639 trying to maintain my day job on these Avatar and other productions. And then 478 00:36:28.719 --> 00:36:32.239 eventually, now this is sort of my full time gig. Isn't that funny 479 00:36:32.360 --> 00:36:38.119 that while you had your citing, you were working as a spiritual alien and 480 00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:44.760 pretty much it's where, yeah, that's where it's pretty weird. Life gets 481 00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:49.280 gets kind of weird where you're you know, I'm playing an alien, and 482 00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:52.639 then I see aliens, and then and then and then you try to tell 483 00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:54.840 the world about it, and to that, I kind of kept it under 484 00:36:54.840 --> 00:37:00.280 wraps till twenty ten, and then I went to as I went to one 485 00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:07.360 of doctor Greer's contact uh retreats CE five Close Encounters with the Fifth Kind retreats, 486 00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:12.320 and that that event just blew my mind because three nights in a row, 487 00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:20.039 saw all sorts of stuff that could that could not have been. And 488 00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:24.599 I checked every every corner, every way it could have been like his career, 489 00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:29.679 uh, you know, putting lanterns in the sky as he orchestrating this, 490 00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:32.000 and there was there was no way I kind of did my due diligence 491 00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:37.360 in that regard and and came to the realization, Okay, the phenomenon is 492 00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:42.239 real and it's time to start talking about it. And that's when I came 493 00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:49.480 out after that that retreat, and I started sort of one in vocal that 494 00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:54.239 one is real. That was the GRILL and that was Rio Rico, Arizona, 495 00:37:55.440 --> 00:38:01.559 not too far from the the Vatican Observatory sort of in that they have 496 00:38:01.639 --> 00:38:06.039 one there, and I think they also have one in Europe, but that 497 00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:10.360 was in that area. And and uh, and since then, I've been 498 00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:15.039 more vocal about it, thinking that at that time I was going to get 499 00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:21.119 canceled for my uh, you know, out outward vocalization on the subject. 500 00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:24.840 But I was quite surprised that many people, especially in the video game world, 501 00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:28.760 they didn't think anything of it. They were like, oh, Rubens 502 00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:35.840 and DT's that's cool, so that's always fine. There's quite a thing you 503 00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:37.079 go ahead. I was just going to say, there's quite a bit of 504 00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:40.880 synchronicities between us. It's it's wild like our experiences started in the seven as 505 00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:44.480 well. And then I was going to say, I didn't realize you were 506 00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:45.920 so heavily involved in Avatar, Like I saw that in your IMDb, but 507 00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:49.719 I didn't. I didn't put you know, there was so much. I'm 508 00:38:49.719 --> 00:38:52.639 looking at it one time and like it's just another funny little video game synchronosity. 509 00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:58.159 I actually just got the new Avatar game for Christmas, which is something 510 00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:00.960 that I've had on my queue to play. It's not related to the to 511 00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:02.440 the movies. It's it's like a spin off, but it's just kind of 512 00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:06.280 funny the timing right now. But I'm a huge fan of Avatary. That's 513 00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:10.039 super cool that youre involved in that. It is. Yeah, Yeah, 514 00:39:10.239 --> 00:39:19.239 I've had a blessed life of being in different places on these bigger projects and 515 00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:25.599 interacting, you know, with guys like Cameron and yeah, it's it's been. 516 00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:30.480 It's been a blast. I can't no regrets. And so so you 517 00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:36.519 were it sounds like you were continually having experiences, probably even up to when 518 00:39:36.519 --> 00:39:40.360 you met Chris. Yeah. Yeah, so let me think that was two 519 00:39:40.360 --> 00:39:45.320 thousand. I still, well, was it twenty twelve? Okay, that's 520 00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:47.440 where I thought, because it was before we did the Citizen here in on 521 00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:55.440 Disclosure and let me think twenty twelve, Yeah, that I was. I 522 00:39:55.519 --> 00:40:00.800 was doing the C five thing. I only did the one event with Career, 523 00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:05.800 but then I was on my own out sort of taking in some of 524 00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:12.239 the information and protocols that he hit set up and doing small groups, going 525 00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:17.639 out and having experiences like that, nothing major. And then see was it 526 00:40:19.119 --> 00:40:28.519 twenty fourteen I had I had my own sort of contact experience with Amantis being 527 00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:34.679 and that was that really rocked my world again, sort of another level of 528 00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:39.079 confirmation that that this thing is, that the phenomenon is real and can go 529 00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:47.840 to that level, and that's it doesn't Maybe that was fifteen, but anyways, 530 00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:52.599 around that time, Yes, when you start doing the deep dive into 531 00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:57.679 this stuff, whether whether like like Ryan and his family, you know, 532 00:40:58.079 --> 00:41:01.400 whether it comes to you or you go do it, you're gonna have some 533 00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:06.239 some some high strangeness come into your life. And it's investigating it. It's 534 00:41:06.280 --> 00:41:09.039 just it's like an odds game at that point. You're just eventually you're rolling 535 00:41:09.039 --> 00:41:12.519 the dice. You're going to hit a certain number. And I think that's 536 00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:16.599 what happens when for me anyways, being diving deep into it, just being 537 00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:21.639 around the people, uh, you know, like like yourself, Ryan and 538 00:41:21.679 --> 00:41:30.039 your dad. I was emerging emerging immersing myself in in uh ufo uh therapy 539 00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:37.000 groups. I was interviewing, you know, producing the citizen here and disclosure 540 00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:40.800 with the different members of Congress and the different whistleblowers. So I was just 541 00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:45.639 sort of really deep in it and around all these experiences. So I think 542 00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:49.800 just by osmosis, it just kind of starts to come into your life in 543 00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:52.719 ways that you you're just like, Okay, yes, the stuff is real. 544 00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:58.559 Which model put the genie back in the bottle. The phenomenon can appear 545 00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:01.000 in so many bizarre ways, Like some of my government friends, like like, 546 00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:04.679 for example, Colonel John Alexander. I'm not sure if you're familiar with 547 00:42:04.760 --> 00:42:07.960 him, but one of the things I may have met the gathering. Yeah 548 00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:09.719 cool, cool. I didn't remember he was there, but yeah, he 549 00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:13.920 was there. He was there, and it was I remember all the jokes 550 00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:19.079 about him, uh doctor death. Yeah, yeah, don't don't careful what 551 00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:22.280 you divulce to him, because careful even a drink out around a mill poison 552 00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:24.719 you. Yeah, there's all kinds of stuff. There's all kinds of stuff. 553 00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:28.280 Yeah, yeah, but yeah, one of the things he told us 554 00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:31.400 was like at Skinwalker Ranch, obviously everybody knows that that is they they see 555 00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:36.320 beings that look like kind of like wolf beings. And you hear stories of 556 00:42:36.400 --> 00:42:39.719 like people and indigenous tribes doing ayahuasca down in you know, South America, 557 00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:45.280 and they all similar. Like you can have like groups of people doing ayahuasca 558 00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:49.920 and they experienced some sort of crocodile entity. Like I definitely think that there 559 00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:52.199 are forces of nature that can appear to us as beings of nature. You 560 00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:55.159 know, I've heard several people, not just you, but several others have 561 00:42:55.199 --> 00:42:59.760 come to me at some point and said they've seen some sort of mantis being 562 00:42:59.880 --> 00:43:02.360 or some sort of this or that, and it's it's it's very bizarre, 563 00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:07.239 but like, yeah, that that definitely, that's very interesting. So when 564 00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:09.000 you say you had an experience, was it like in the wake state? 565 00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:12.519 Was it? What was that? Like, Yeah, I want to know 566 00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:16.000 more. That sounds super interesting. Yeah, it was. I remember it 567 00:43:16.039 --> 00:43:22.039 was a lunar eclipse the week before. And again this all kind of made 568 00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:29.320 sense after the fact, but the week before, and this is in Big 569 00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:31.239 Bear. I live in Big Bear, California, which is about two and 570 00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:36.079 a half hours outside of La in the mountains, our ski hill. We 571 00:43:36.119 --> 00:43:42.800 have kind of known for our southern California ski hill. And this was summer, 572 00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:45.880 I believe, summer getting into fall. I had gone out to Hulkum 573 00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:52.480 Valley and was out in the woods meditating on a rock and this image of 574 00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:55.719 sort of the back of the head of a mantis being in a sense, 575 00:43:57.440 --> 00:44:00.800 and and it popped into my mind's eye and I was like, oh, 576 00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:06.800 this is this is interesting. I had never experienced that before, and I 577 00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:09.079 remember my thought process at the time. I was curious. I wasn't scared, 578 00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:14.880 so the the being in a sense, and this this image of my 579 00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:20.559 mind's eye turned and looked at me and I could see its eyes and I 580 00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:24.840 just kind of got lost in its eyes because of the It was almost like, 581 00:44:27.639 --> 00:44:30.519 I want to say, kind of a honeycomb or or you know when 582 00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:35.960 you get oil and water and it has these like the oil bubbles where it 583 00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:40.480 separates, yeah, in the rainbow colors oil FLI yeahs like kind of stuff. 584 00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:46.199 I remember the just the number of colors that were being reflected from these 585 00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:49.559 eyes, and I just in my mind's eye this again, this is just 586 00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:54.320 a meditational rock. And I sort of went into it, just getting really 587 00:44:57.000 --> 00:45:01.360 again curious and trying to understand what I was scene, and then it just 588 00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:05.639 went away, and I was like, well, that's that was really interesting. 589 00:45:05.679 --> 00:45:09.320 That's crazy. I'd never experienced that before. Okay whatever. A week 590 00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:15.280 later, lunar eclipse, I go up to for a hike with some friends 591 00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:24.639 and and at this point I'm pretty into meditation and and and exploring guided meditations, 592 00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:35.159 and especially during times of like lunar eclipses or solstices or at that time, 593 00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:40.320 I had already I had already had several ayahuasca experiences with shamans, so 594 00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:45.760 it was very into sort of samonic work in practicing that. I'm going to 595 00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:47.519 ask what that was like if we could come back to that later. Yeah, 596 00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:53.639 yeah, yeah. So just my girlfriend at the time and and another 597 00:45:53.679 --> 00:45:58.519 friend we went up to do some meditation on the rock and watch the lunar 598 00:45:58.559 --> 00:46:02.920 eclipse. And I remember feeling a little weird and I was like, man, 599 00:46:02.960 --> 00:46:06.800 what is this kind of heavy feeling? And I was like, this 600 00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:15.119 is in our friend. She was elderly. She was also feeling very unsettled, 601 00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:19.360 and we we almost as as the lunar clips was sort of happened. 602 00:46:19.400 --> 00:46:27.400 It was almost right at at dusk and ah, and she was kind of 603 00:46:27.400 --> 00:46:28.840 like, I don't feel good, Let's go. And I was like, 604 00:46:28.880 --> 00:46:30.519 yeah, I'm not feeling so hot. Let's let's get going. And we 605 00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:36.800 sort of watched the the eclipse and I remember seeing it was kind of one 606 00:46:36.800 --> 00:46:40.559 of those blood moon kind of things and then beautiful, gorgeous eclipse. But 607 00:46:42.440 --> 00:46:45.320 got into the car and I was starting. I was like, okay, 608 00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:49.840 let's let's get home. I'm feeling kind of off too, and I remember 609 00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:54.119 before even starting the car, I started clicking my teeth started like chattering, 610 00:46:54.960 --> 00:47:00.280 like kind of like this uncontrollably yeah, and that was kind of shaking. 611 00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:04.079 I was like, what the hell's going out of here? I was feeling 612 00:47:04.159 --> 00:47:07.559 kind of queasy, and I was like, okay, yes, let's just 613 00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:13.119 go home. Something weird is happening. And then my girlfriend was like you're 614 00:47:13.119 --> 00:47:15.639 okay. I'm like I let's just go home. And it was only like 615 00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:22.440 a fifteen minute drive. Got home and my girlfriend and our friend they went 616 00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:23.599 in the kitchen and I just went to bed. I was like, I 617 00:47:23.599 --> 00:47:28.039 don't feel good, guys, I gotta go lay down. And in that 618 00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:30.800 time, which felt it felt like about an hour, it may have been 619 00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:37.360 a lass. Maybe it was more around that time, the clicking and the 620 00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:43.440 clapping and the shaking just got really out of control, and I was literally 621 00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:47.559 flopping around like a fish on my bed and all of this and that being, 622 00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:53.400 this this mantis being sort of had we had a telepathic communication going, 623 00:47:54.360 --> 00:48:00.199 and that's when I knew telepathic communication was real. I kind of had felt 624 00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:07.960 some of that telepathic stuff from my aahuasc experiences, so I was a little 625 00:48:07.960 --> 00:48:10.440 bit sort of in tune or trained on that, but this was like a 626 00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:14.039 full lot. I'm like, what is going on here? So I started 627 00:48:14.039 --> 00:48:20.440 having this dialogue telepathically with this being, asking all kinds of questions because at 628 00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:24.119 this time, I'd already started my show interview with Ed asking about the different 629 00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:31.760 archetypes of the ets, you know, like the repillions and Palladians, and 630 00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:37.440 I was sort of asking questions about the about humanity and what is you know, 631 00:48:37.719 --> 00:48:43.360 some of the things that came through my show, some of the questions 632 00:48:43.400 --> 00:48:45.119 I had in my show, I was sort of like touching on some of 633 00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:49.239 those subjects, you know, what is what is going on here? And 634 00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:57.440 I remember the being sort of sharing with me this the grand experiment of humanity 635 00:48:57.480 --> 00:49:02.760 and what this was, and that can remember correctly, the some of the 636 00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:07.719 ideas and concepts that were kind of coming to me was that this was an 637 00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:12.519 agreement, Like I remember, it was pretty specific, and later I got 638 00:49:12.519 --> 00:49:16.280 into my show about this, but I was asking about or I was sort 639 00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:23.320 of told about there's this the Draconians. And this is again my understanding at 640 00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:30.599 that time because doing the deep dive into the show and ET's and the different 641 00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:38.840 races and all this stuff, you start conforming ideas about what it all is, 642 00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:42.880 and to make sense of it, you started putting labels on things. 643 00:49:42.960 --> 00:49:49.719 Right, So I have a more fluid understanding of things now, but at 644 00:49:49.719 --> 00:49:52.119 the time it served so basically at the time, it was just you know, 645 00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:55.400 I made that disclaimer because I have a little bit different belief system now, 646 00:49:55.440 --> 00:50:00.920 but I respect that you went out of your w to explain that. 647 00:50:00.519 --> 00:50:04.280 Yeah, sorry, I just I just didn't want anybody to take what I'm 648 00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:07.519 saying like as as the gospel truth or what you know, this is what 649 00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:09.639 Reuben believes, because it's not. Things evolve in time. Over time, 650 00:50:09.760 --> 00:50:15.039 as you get exposed to the phenomen you understand things deeper, you understand. 651 00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:17.119 Okay, well, I had a label for something that I it makes sense 652 00:50:17.159 --> 00:50:21.519 to me what you're saying. Yeah, okay, great, uh so, 653 00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:25.639 but at that time my understanding, So what what De Mantis was sort of 654 00:50:25.719 --> 00:50:30.760 letting me know was there's a you know this, you cron we we understood, 655 00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:37.719 we have terms right in this in this uphology, mythology, cosmo uh 656 00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:44.679 cosmology of the Reptilians in the Draco's right. And what they had sort of 657 00:50:44.719 --> 00:50:47.880 told me is this faction within the DraCos. So the Draco's have been this 658 00:50:50.119 --> 00:50:52.039 again, this is in the lore. I'm just going to explain my understanding 659 00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:57.199 of of the what other people have said, and then and then we can 660 00:50:58.519 --> 00:51:02.559 go from there, but that these Draco's have been coming and going here on 661 00:51:02.599 --> 00:51:07.639 Earth for a long time, and they in the galaxy sense, they've been 662 00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:15.320 out there doing their thing. They're sort of dominating different races and different groups, 663 00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:22.360 and they have this classic image of the reptilian, this that we that 664 00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:30.280 we understand, and because of their attachment to the material, they've only been 665 00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:34.880 able to go so far in their evolution, so they sort of hit a 666 00:51:34.920 --> 00:51:42.400 wall where they can where they're super smart, super mental. They have this 667 00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:50.000 mental capacity like no other race. But they're because of that they can again, 668 00:51:50.039 --> 00:51:54.159 they can only evolve so much. So what was what they were trying 669 00:51:54.159 --> 00:52:00.679 to tell me is this group within the Draco actually we're tired of that sort 670 00:52:00.679 --> 00:52:05.840 of archetype. They wanted to go beyond that, but they couldn't because of 671 00:52:05.880 --> 00:52:10.639 the structure of of of their race or something like that. So so an 672 00:52:10.679 --> 00:52:15.639 agreement was made with a more feminine energy. And at the time I was 673 00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:20.400 thinking palladium, and I think it's a combination of beans, not just limited 674 00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:24.800 to Palladian. But that was sort of the concept. So they distress call 675 00:52:24.960 --> 00:52:32.599 was sort of put out two from these this faction to merge or to ask 676 00:52:32.679 --> 00:52:37.800 for help in the evolution. And that's where the grand experiment of my cat's 677 00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:46.079 trying to get the feature of the cat. What's I have to know? 678 00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:59.280 It's Odin. Nice, Madam Holman. Nice. Actually uh El Gatto showed 679 00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:07.760 up for me as Odin, which is as interesting started as Merlin and emerged 680 00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:15.039 into Odin. But going back to this this idea of what Earth is and 681 00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:19.639 what this experiment is is that and this is what was being told to me 682 00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:25.719 by this this mantis being, was that the Earth one of many things, 683 00:53:25.800 --> 00:53:32.719 has many roles, but one of the roles that was here was this this 684 00:53:32.920 --> 00:53:40.280 merging of of these consciousnesses to help these reptilians so to say, evolve, 685 00:53:42.119 --> 00:53:49.360 And so they an agreement was made to come here, to create this realm 686 00:53:49.800 --> 00:53:58.239 where they could sort of forget their past and merge with other energies and and 687 00:53:58.320 --> 00:54:02.519 see if they could break the the spell, so to say. So and 688 00:54:02.559 --> 00:54:06.320 I know that's a ton of stuff, but that was sort of my And 689 00:54:06.400 --> 00:54:09.280 again, this wasn't in words. This was in images and feelings and sensations. 690 00:54:09.320 --> 00:54:17.079 And that was my translation of that event. And later in my show, 691 00:54:17.119 --> 00:54:27.280 I actually interviewed synchronistically two people who had claimed to have interactions with mantispins, 692 00:54:27.280 --> 00:54:30.760 and I sort of didn't tell my story. I kind of wanted to 693 00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:37.960 pick their brains. So as part of my show in season one, some 694 00:54:38.039 --> 00:54:42.760 of the last episodes, and I'm sort of fine, I'm pulling things out 695 00:54:42.760 --> 00:54:45.760 of them and they're telling me stuff, and you see my eyes why go 696 00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:52.800 wide Because some very specific things that they said resonated with like this this telepathic 697 00:54:52.840 --> 00:54:58.199 communication. So it was kind of like my own version of cross checking. 698 00:54:58.800 --> 00:55:04.320 What I was getting is is in a sense truth. Most people would hear 699 00:55:04.320 --> 00:55:07.440 that story and say, Ruben, that shit crazy. What are you talking 700 00:55:07.480 --> 00:55:13.360 about now? You strike me as someone who's very sane, not in this 701 00:55:13.519 --> 00:55:16.719 world. Yeah no, yeah. So so that was sort of that Mantis 702 00:55:17.000 --> 00:55:24.960 event, And after that, while doing ayahuasca ceremonies, I've had some other 703 00:55:25.320 --> 00:55:30.559 interactions where they've come into the room and sort of seeing their seeing them while 704 00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:35.760 on the medicine. That was pretty intense. So what I've done DMT, 705 00:55:36.119 --> 00:55:38.920 and I know it's similar to ayahuasca, it's like derived, it's basically dmt's 706 00:55:38.920 --> 00:55:43.960 in ayahuasca, but I know that the actual experience is radically different. Like 707 00:55:44.039 --> 00:55:46.119 DMT for me was like six minutes. I know ayahuasca could be hours and 708 00:55:46.159 --> 00:55:51.480 hours. What was that like, I'm very curious. Oh man, I 709 00:55:51.519 --> 00:55:58.320 don't think one any I've I've I've probably had about twenty or thirty. Oh 710 00:55:58.400 --> 00:56:04.320 my. I was still in a documentary around that for a while and I 711 00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:08.400 had to put on the shelf. But because of so for several years, 712 00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:12.280 I was sort of there was like two years there where I was it was 713 00:56:12.360 --> 00:56:19.559 almost like every other week I was in ceremony. So I've had a lot 714 00:56:19.559 --> 00:56:25.159 of wild experiences with the medicine on that, and I think it's a great 715 00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:35.639 modality. It's a great medicine, you know, teacher and uh once once 716 00:56:35.679 --> 00:56:38.280 you sort of they always say once, even if you've only done ayahuasca once. 717 00:56:38.320 --> 00:56:44.079 Once you make that connection to Pachamama, you know, grand grandmother uh 718 00:56:45.320 --> 00:56:49.119 Earth, you know Mother Earth, Gaya, that energy that that comes through 719 00:56:49.519 --> 00:56:53.199 during those experiences, you're always with her and you can kind of ask her 720 00:56:53.400 --> 00:56:58.119 for guidance and stuff without even being on the medicine. And I've found that 721 00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:02.480 true. So it is a very sacred connection. That is I don't think 722 00:57:02.519 --> 00:57:07.760 I think we all have it. I think sometimes just taking that that chemical 723 00:57:08.360 --> 00:57:15.880 medicine right that helps jolt your your body and your soul into remembering those connections. 724 00:57:16.159 --> 00:57:20.280 But it was, it has been a profound experience, and I can't 725 00:57:20.519 --> 00:57:23.239 you know, no two experiences has been the same. It's been a different 726 00:57:23.719 --> 00:57:30.800 and experience every time. So I don't know, I other than we could 727 00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:34.480 probably randomly pick an experience and I could go down and the lessons. But 728 00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:39.519 it's it's very powerful stuff. Is it like eyes open looking around you? 729 00:57:39.679 --> 00:57:44.920 Is it like eyes closed? What's what's that like? Most Most of the 730 00:57:44.920 --> 00:57:49.079 time, it's it's sort of in eyes closed and sort of you're in your 731 00:57:49.119 --> 00:57:53.880 own inner journey. But it's very visceral. It's very you know, when 732 00:57:53.920 --> 00:58:01.800 I meditate and sort of get images and on spts perhaps that come through for 733 00:58:02.000 --> 00:58:07.000 my well being. I would say they're they're kind of it's like you know, 734 00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:13.840 looking at an old SD video where it's kind of fuzzy and you know, 735 00:58:13.880 --> 00:58:17.440 sometimes black and white and you're getting you're getting the information. But when 736 00:58:17.800 --> 00:58:24.480 when I'm on the medicine, it's like HD four K four K virtual reality, 737 00:58:24.920 --> 00:58:32.400 like it's it's there and it's the lessons, uh, and the information 738 00:58:32.599 --> 00:58:39.159 is just super clear as opposed to sort of you know, my own personal 739 00:58:39.199 --> 00:58:44.840 meditations, uh trying to get the information. So in that sense, uh, 740 00:58:45.320 --> 00:58:49.360 it's I think it's it can be very powerful. I have seen a 741 00:58:49.400 --> 00:58:54.599 lot of uh, not so good situations depending on the people, So I 742 00:58:54.840 --> 00:58:58.760 would because of that, I say it's not for everyone. Please, you 743 00:58:58.760 --> 00:59:01.880 know, do your own homework and and use caution when entering into those spaces, 744 00:59:02.920 --> 00:59:07.480 especially these days, because a lot of those spaces have been they're not 745 00:59:07.719 --> 00:59:17.599 being as contained sacredly as perhaps before because it wasn't such a household name or 746 00:59:17.639 --> 00:59:23.119 household word, so there was less people doing it, and it seemed like 747 00:59:23.159 --> 00:59:30.960 the people that were doing it back in the day were very studied and researched. 748 00:59:31.280 --> 00:59:36.559 And now because it's become so such almost like a pop culture thing, 749 00:59:36.679 --> 00:59:45.320 right, So with that comes less responsibility or less attention to detail. And 750 00:59:47.599 --> 00:59:52.440 in those spaces, you know, I always I say those spaces, it's 751 00:59:52.480 --> 00:59:58.440 a two way pump. So of course you can get really amazing good information 752 00:59:58.920 --> 01:00:02.800 and good entities coming into your space, but if they're not held in a 753 01:00:04.119 --> 01:00:09.719 sacred way and certain precautions taken, then darker things also can slip through, 754 01:00:10.480 --> 01:00:16.079 and often do. But it's the shamans that have the ability to understand, 755 01:00:16.119 --> 01:00:20.360 okay, this is this is a more of a negative or dark energy, 756 01:00:20.400 --> 01:00:22.679 so we're going to put that where it needs to go over here. And 757 01:00:22.719 --> 01:00:25.800 they have that ability because they're trained, they've been doing this for years, 758 01:00:28.039 --> 01:00:32.360 where these newer you know, someone who probably has done twenty or thirty aahuasca 759 01:00:32.440 --> 01:00:35.840 ceremonies like myself, and like, oh I'm a shaman, now we go, 760 01:00:36.239 --> 01:00:42.480 let's go, and they just don't have the experience to navigate those spaces. 761 01:00:43.119 --> 01:00:50.079 And I've seen people get in a sense get injured psychologically from some of 762 01:00:50.320 --> 01:00:55.800 some of the from them dabbling in those spaces, So just use caution and 763 01:00:55.840 --> 01:01:00.199 do your research. I would one hundred percent agree, just speaking from like 764 01:01:00.559 --> 01:01:05.239 d MT and even like psilocybin mushrooms, like it's like proven scientifically that it 765 01:01:05.280 --> 01:01:08.719 does not have harmful effects to the body. But you know, if you're 766 01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:13.360 getting into that and you know you're not prepared and you don't understand what it's 767 01:01:13.360 --> 01:01:15.760 gonna be like, it definitely could be a psychological shock. It's not something 768 01:01:15.760 --> 01:01:20.559 to be taken lightly. But when used properly, I think it's an incredible 769 01:01:20.599 --> 01:01:24.239 life changing, mind altering tool, both psilocybin, d MT, ayahuasca, 770 01:01:24.320 --> 01:01:29.599 whatever, and it's definitely changed changed my life. I mean it was it 771 01:01:29.679 --> 01:01:31.519 was a wild, wild experience. My friend that put me through it was 772 01:01:31.559 --> 01:01:35.760 like, it's it's uh, I can't remember exactly what you said. It's 773 01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:40.159 like, it's it's better than any roller coaster you've ever been on. Can 774 01:01:40.840 --> 01:01:45.440 it could? It could be terrifying as well if you're not it can yes, 775 01:01:45.559 --> 01:01:51.800 but aren't roller coasters kind of terrifying sometimes you know you're falling. Yeah, 776 01:01:51.920 --> 01:01:54.760 it's it's definitely crazy, man, Wow, So you said that you 777 01:01:55.199 --> 01:02:00.840 were sort of understanding things better now than you were then. So where are 778 01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:08.320 you at now? Well, I still have been continuing my research and I 779 01:02:08.480 --> 01:02:13.639 and I have my show Interview with Ed where I interview people who channel different 780 01:02:13.679 --> 01:02:22.519 beings and uh, sort of collecting all of that data. And what I've 781 01:02:22.840 --> 01:02:27.000 come to the understanding is, is is all of this? I think? 782 01:02:27.360 --> 01:02:32.519 I think you know, there's a there are universal truths that we can see 783 01:02:32.679 --> 01:02:39.480 the overlapping and and different belief systems, and and how different stories and and 784 01:02:39.480 --> 01:02:47.280 and archetypes sort of hold depending on people's individual and collective beliefs. But then 785 01:02:47.320 --> 01:02:58.159 there are individual truths that are no matter what the collective truth is, there 786 01:02:58.159 --> 01:03:04.360 are the individual truths that are absolute utely per that individual absolute truth. You 787 01:03:04.400 --> 01:03:07.320 know, you could you know, you can't, even if it may not 788 01:03:07.440 --> 01:03:13.440 be my truth, that person and you cannot deny their experience or what they're 789 01:03:13.679 --> 01:03:17.679 what they're seeing or experience or believing I should say, that's the word believing. 790 01:03:19.480 --> 01:03:23.719 So I tried to relax my understanding of even like this idea of the 791 01:03:23.800 --> 01:03:30.960 Draconians, right, I think that's someone's interpretation of that experience or that word 792 01:03:31.039 --> 01:03:36.480 like, for example, I had that that that Mantis what I believe, 793 01:03:36.559 --> 01:03:40.719 you know, what I interpret as a visitation from Romantis being because of the 794 01:03:40.760 --> 01:03:45.320 images I saw and all these things and the research I've done. So that's 795 01:03:45.679 --> 01:03:49.800 that's created that belief. And then I can explain it in the way I 796 01:03:49.840 --> 01:03:57.199 am if someone else had a different belief structure and had that experience. And 797 01:03:57.239 --> 01:04:01.559 actually, this is one of the things that happened, was I felt from 798 01:04:01.559 --> 01:04:10.440 that being, this this unconditional love, this this deep this a deep, 799 01:04:10.519 --> 01:04:16.119 deep love that I don't know if I felt from another being, uh, 800 01:04:16.239 --> 01:04:24.000 you know, any being alive in this realm. And and I attributed that 801 01:04:24.039 --> 01:04:27.199 to angels, and I'm like, does that mean you're an angel? And 802 01:04:27.239 --> 01:04:31.199 then they were sort of telepathical saying similar but not quite. But we often 803 01:04:31.280 --> 01:04:39.119 get we often get that people often think we're angels because but that realm is 804 01:04:39.119 --> 01:04:42.519 different. We come from a different realm, but we still hold that unconditional 805 01:04:42.559 --> 01:04:46.679 love for for all of you know, God's creations. And uh so, 806 01:04:46.840 --> 01:04:50.840 one one, depending on your belief system, one one person may actually say 807 01:04:50.880 --> 01:04:55.360 that, Okay, that was an angel. One person might say it was 808 01:04:55.360 --> 01:04:59.280 a demon, you know, disguised as an angel. Uh. So there's 809 01:04:59.280 --> 01:05:01.400 so many different belief these systems, and not to invalidate one or the other. 810 01:05:03.320 --> 01:05:08.960 I think it's show. I think the phenomenon shows up to us based 811 01:05:09.000 --> 01:05:13.920 on our belief systems. And I and that's why I'm careful about projecting or 812 01:05:13.960 --> 01:05:17.400 saying, you know, this mantis being this story, because I want to 813 01:05:17.519 --> 01:05:24.679 leave room for the fluidity for that story to grow or go a different direction 814 01:05:25.239 --> 01:05:31.039 based on the observer or the experiencer and how they might see it. And 815 01:05:31.199 --> 01:05:34.639 because if I, if I'm so solidified on mine, this is what happened 816 01:05:34.639 --> 01:05:36.360 to me, and this is what the way it was, and this is 817 01:05:36.400 --> 01:05:41.800 this and this is the story and that's it, then don't you don't leave 818 01:05:41.880 --> 01:05:48.639 room for growth for for more? And and I believe there's a lot more 819 01:05:48.719 --> 01:05:57.519 to the phenomenon into what we're as we're moving through our space time realm here, 820 01:05:59.039 --> 01:06:03.280 we are evolving, we're evolving or understanding of what the phenomenon is. 821 01:06:03.360 --> 01:06:09.800 We're realizing it's not just you know, little gray beans and spacesuits, you 822 01:06:09.800 --> 01:06:15.159 know, flying around and metallic ships, but it's it's much more than that. 823 01:06:15.960 --> 01:06:21.440 And so I'm always just careful and I want to leave room for more 824 01:06:21.679 --> 01:06:27.280 for not being fixated on any of that stuff every time throughout my life being 825 01:06:27.519 --> 01:06:30.480 like, you know, my dad's always been a public figure in this, 826 01:06:30.639 --> 01:06:33.440 and I've only come around on the internet recently since I've been an adult, 827 01:06:33.519 --> 01:06:36.360 you know. But every time I've thought that, I've had the phenomenon like 828 01:06:36.400 --> 01:06:40.400 pretty well figured out. They do some shocking thing that's like, oh, 829 01:06:40.480 --> 01:06:43.679 here's another magic trick to shatter your mind and leave your brains on the floor. 830 01:06:44.079 --> 01:06:45.559 Like you know, I've had I've had them moo at me like a 831 01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:50.679 cow. I've had I've seen the entire skyflash while seeing orbs. I'm telling 832 01:06:50.679 --> 01:06:55.320 you, like I swear to god, it sounds crazy. I have seen 833 01:06:55.800 --> 01:06:59.679 the entire sky flash. I've seen the sky open up and things shoot out. 834 01:06:59.679 --> 01:07:01.639 I've seen seen so many crazy things, and I'm like, I mean, 835 01:07:01.880 --> 01:07:04.679 you're running out of ways to shock me here, you know, Like 836 01:07:05.239 --> 01:07:08.880 I totally get it. It's like, yeah, there's so many people out 837 01:07:08.920 --> 01:07:11.440 there who think aliens they you know, they come from another place, but 838 01:07:11.960 --> 01:07:14.119 I mean, yeah, they come from another place, but it's like a 839 01:07:14.119 --> 01:07:17.239 magical dimension, you know. And I think I think what you're saying, 840 01:07:17.280 --> 01:07:21.400 you put it very well, it's like they do tend to appear different ways 841 01:07:21.440 --> 01:07:26.519 to different people. I don't know one hundred percent that they only appear based 842 01:07:26.559 --> 01:07:29.199 on our belief system, but I know that they appear different ways to different 843 01:07:29.239 --> 01:07:32.079 people, you know. And and also regionally, I think the beliefs of 844 01:07:32.119 --> 01:07:36.039 the region have something to do with it too. But then there are beings 845 01:07:36.039 --> 01:07:39.039 that are outside of that, and I think, like you said, those 846 01:07:39.119 --> 01:07:42.840 universal objective truths that are like let me, let me put it like this, 847 01:07:42.920 --> 01:07:45.880 from my understanding speaking with Jim Simme Van, I'm not sure if you're 848 01:07:45.880 --> 01:07:50.360 familiar with this figure, but he's a very high ranking part of it. 849 01:07:50.440 --> 01:07:56.159 To the stars and right he still is. But he told me one time 850 01:07:56.199 --> 01:07:58.960 we were at a private party, actually the guy who hosted the gathering. 851 01:07:59.000 --> 01:08:00.880 We were at his house, at his brother's house. Actually we were at 852 01:08:00.880 --> 01:08:03.880 his brother, his twin brother's house, and we were having an Easter party 853 01:08:03.880 --> 01:08:06.800 in Colonel Alexander and Jim Simmy Van was there and my family was there, 854 01:08:08.079 --> 01:08:12.360 and I was picking his brain. Probably my favorite part about growing up being 855 01:08:12.760 --> 01:08:16.000 questioned and interrogated and prodded by people in the intelligence communities is I didn't give 856 01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:18.479 a shit who they were. I asked, whatever a question I wanted to 857 01:08:18.520 --> 01:08:23.239 ask, you're coming to me. I have questions too, you know. 858 01:08:23.319 --> 01:08:25.640 And I didn't play the whole like yes, sir, you know, like 859 01:08:25.680 --> 01:08:28.920 you're this and I, you know, won't no. I rocked the boat 860 01:08:29.119 --> 01:08:30.680 and I straight up, I straight up asked him. I didn't say the 861 01:08:30.680 --> 01:08:34.079 word Illuminati, but I was like, is there a shadow government? And 862 01:08:34.119 --> 01:08:39.319 it's funny because when you ask these people in these positions certain questions you can, 863 01:08:39.680 --> 01:08:44.880 especially studying psychology and learning about like microaggression, not microaggressions, micro expressions. 864 01:08:45.279 --> 01:08:46.439 You see the look on their face where they're like, oh, you 865 01:08:46.479 --> 01:08:49.840 know, certain questions and he gets this little smile and he's like, yeah, 866 01:08:49.880 --> 01:08:53.680 I've rubbed some shoulders with some people in the shadow government. And I 867 01:08:53.720 --> 01:08:57.000 said something like I don't remember the question I asked, but the answer he 868 01:08:57.039 --> 01:09:00.479 gave me about the phenomenon was what they understand in these programs in the Department 869 01:09:00.520 --> 01:09:05.720 of Defense. This is like, this is like high level what the US 870 01:09:05.800 --> 01:09:13.079 government believes, told to me by a CIA official. They believe that there 871 01:09:13.119 --> 01:09:18.399 are levels two dimensional existence. It's like a spectrum like where we are you 872 01:09:18.439 --> 01:09:23.159 could say we're like base you know, we're like material beings in the material 873 01:09:23.199 --> 01:09:26.680 world. You know, we have esp psychic phenomenon, but we're not very 874 01:09:26.720 --> 01:09:30.159 far up that sliding scale of existence. And the higher you go up the 875 01:09:30.199 --> 01:09:35.720 spectrum of existence, they become more thought based. It's like it's like a 876 01:09:35.720 --> 01:09:41.399 continuum of evolution of beings and consciousness. And they believe, based on their 877 01:09:41.479 --> 01:09:45.640 observation that there are beings that are so powerful that they exist purely in the 878 01:09:45.640 --> 01:09:48.600 form of thought, and that through thought alone, they can destroy worlds straight 879 01:09:48.640 --> 01:09:50.359 up. He told me that. He's like, yeah, there's races of 880 01:09:50.399 --> 01:09:54.359 beings like the Lady that they can just destroy worlds with their thoughts. And 881 01:09:54.399 --> 01:09:58.119 we're you know, what can we do about that? And yeah, that's 882 01:09:58.199 --> 01:10:00.680 that's just interesting that like it would appear to you a certain way. And 883 01:10:00.720 --> 01:10:02.520 then I've heard people say, you know, it appears like they said, 884 01:10:02.520 --> 01:10:05.840 it's skinwalker, like a wolf. But everything in my family, everything we've 885 01:10:05.880 --> 01:10:12.439 seen has been pure light, you know. So it's like and and I 886 01:10:12.439 --> 01:10:17.600 I'd like to piggyback on that just because to play devil's advocate in a sense, 887 01:10:17.680 --> 01:10:21.840 because that that absolutely so, like I was saying, these these draco's, 888 01:10:21.880 --> 01:10:26.399 like we have the name for the draco's right, So their thought and 889 01:10:26.479 --> 01:10:30.319 again you don't have to picture them as reptilians. You can just think about 890 01:10:30.399 --> 01:10:34.079 their that archetype of beings that are so attached to the physical, and the 891 01:10:34.119 --> 01:10:40.920 physical is attached to the mind, and the mind is yes, so powerful 892 01:10:40.920 --> 01:10:47.520 that they can manifest or unmanifest, destroy with with the power of thought. 893 01:10:48.000 --> 01:10:54.399 And that is in the evolutionary stream that those specific beings. And I would 894 01:10:54.439 --> 01:10:58.439 say the beans that hang out in the US government and the military like that, 895 01:10:58.760 --> 01:11:02.439 they they go in that stream because they're very mind oriented. Right, 896 01:11:02.479 --> 01:11:08.800 It's all about strategy and how do we overpower our adversaries with might, with 897 01:11:09.439 --> 01:11:16.359 physical brute force and strategizing about you know, using weapons and tactics and these 898 01:11:16.399 --> 01:11:19.800 types of things. Now, I would say probably this is my guess with 899 01:11:20.800 --> 01:11:25.680 the lady that when you say, the lady, you were talking about the 900 01:11:26.479 --> 01:11:30.920 being that your dad interacted with. I would say, this is just what 901 01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:34.800 my intuitiveness says. That being is more of a heart centered being, a 902 01:11:34.880 --> 01:11:42.560 being that would of course have mental abilities, but the evolutionary path was more 903 01:11:43.920 --> 01:11:45.800 geared into the heart, and we now know through like heart math and other 904 01:11:46.560 --> 01:11:53.239 Greg Braden and other researchers that the heart actually contains more. I forget the 905 01:11:53.279 --> 01:12:00.439 type of neurons its right, then there's eighty thousand neurons on the heart and 906 01:12:00.920 --> 01:12:06.880 that's a different evolutionary path where beings that are more heart center do have. 907 01:12:08.119 --> 01:12:13.319 You know, there is a connection to the mental capacity, but it becomes 908 01:12:13.439 --> 01:12:17.880 less of a strategizing of overpowering one or another, but more of an inclusive 909 01:12:18.000 --> 01:12:23.279 sort of we're all in this together, how do we help each other kind 910 01:12:23.319 --> 01:12:27.439 of thing, So that's more harmonious. Yeah, and I think that's where 911 01:12:27.439 --> 01:12:31.960 a lot of the indigenous cultures were more connected to on that path of evolution, 912 01:12:32.640 --> 01:12:41.439 where where we've had where we've seen other sort of conquering civilizations that are 913 01:12:41.479 --> 01:12:44.840 more on the mental side, you know, Yengis Khan or Napoleon or something 914 01:12:44.880 --> 01:12:49.640 like that. So I would say there's a balance in the universe between these 915 01:12:50.239 --> 01:12:59.359 concepts of heart and mind, and where I hope to see humanity evolve into 916 01:12:59.439 --> 01:13:05.279 is more in the heart centeredness of things. So we're not because when you 917 01:13:05.319 --> 01:13:11.159 get stuck in the mind, it can be quite destructive. M Yeah, 918 01:13:11.239 --> 01:13:16.199 like the ego, you know, and for anybody out there listening and being 919 01:13:16.239 --> 01:13:18.840 like, whoa, this is weird. I mean to me, it sounds 920 01:13:18.880 --> 01:13:26.479 like just it just sounds like another skin. It sounds like another choice of 921 01:13:26.560 --> 01:13:30.960 words to describe the doctrine of the esoteric philosophy, which is like we're supposed 922 01:13:30.000 --> 01:13:33.640 to be reducing the ego and living in you know, some people say christ 923 01:13:33.680 --> 01:13:36.840 consciousness. It's just like it's literally like you said, it's just heart centered. 924 01:13:38.279 --> 01:13:42.319 It's love and compassion and unity. And it's like we can we can 925 01:13:42.359 --> 01:13:45.840 have all these different words for you know, the Buddhists would call the beings 926 01:13:45.960 --> 01:13:50.119 devas right, or Christians would say angels, or Irish would say fairies or 927 01:13:50.119 --> 01:13:56.039 whatever. But it's like, I don't like the people are so stuck on 928 01:13:56.159 --> 01:13:58.399 the what do we call it? What is the word? It's like, 929 01:13:58.640 --> 01:14:02.039 forget about that. What's the meaning? Right? You quoted something recently in 930 01:14:02.079 --> 01:14:05.560 an episode. When you give something a name, you lose it or something 931 01:14:05.600 --> 01:14:09.359 something. It's from the dow. It's the towel, the dow, the 932 01:14:09.359 --> 01:14:12.479 towel whatever. That's like they say, like when you when you try to 933 01:14:12.560 --> 01:14:15.279 name the force, God whatever, this ineffable energy, when you try to 934 01:14:15.359 --> 01:14:18.399 name it, when you try to put it in a boundary, you push 935 01:14:18.439 --> 01:14:21.520 it away, you've lost it. You don't understand it anymore. Even the 936 01:14:21.760 --> 01:14:27.840 in the Kabbala episode we were talking about how they believe, like like how 937 01:14:27.920 --> 01:14:30.880 dare you essentially, like how dare you try to understand? Yeah? God, 938 01:14:31.079 --> 01:14:34.920 like even even what God's name is, like, how dare you? 939 01:14:34.920 --> 01:14:39.560 You know, Like it's it's kind of an overlap between a lot of different 940 01:14:39.600 --> 01:14:44.159 cultures that like you're just not gonna get it, Like there's no getting it. 941 01:14:44.239 --> 01:14:46.720 You could get a version of it, and like the core of it 942 01:14:46.800 --> 01:14:50.560 is could be true, but like like you said, different skins, you 943 01:14:50.600 --> 01:14:55.279 know, yeah, from video game terminology, different skins, right, different 944 01:14:55.640 --> 01:14:58.800 you know, it's you, we're saying the same thing, and like you 945 01:14:58.840 --> 01:15:01.119 know, that's that's that's really found the way you put it that way, 946 01:15:01.199 --> 01:15:04.359 like heart centered And it's funny that you say that because the lady told my 947 01:15:04.479 --> 01:15:12.520 dad that she is the manifestation of the universal force of love. Come on 948 01:15:12.640 --> 01:15:15.840 now, heart centered. We're getting a lot of overlap. Yeah, that 949 01:15:15.840 --> 01:15:21.159 that's uh. That During my exploration into this you know, wacky world of 950 01:15:21.600 --> 01:15:30.760 paranormal from the phenomenon, to me, that's been sort of the to categorize. 951 01:15:30.760 --> 01:15:32.359 And again, even like you were saying, to label, to categorize 952 01:15:32.399 --> 01:15:38.439 is not is sort of doing an injustice to the to the phenomenon itself, 953 01:15:38.640 --> 01:15:43.359 but just to better navigate those worlds. And what I've noticed is there is 954 01:15:43.399 --> 01:15:50.840 a distinction between the different beings or energies that go more into the mind than 955 01:15:51.159 --> 01:15:55.640 and the ones that go more into the heart. Not to say that one 956 01:15:56.159 --> 01:16:00.560 is lacking or has no heart or has no or like the heart centered beings 957 01:16:00.560 --> 01:16:04.399 have no mind. That of course, that those are aspects that we all 958 01:16:04.439 --> 01:16:08.840 have, you know, as humans, we we it's it's mind, body, 959 01:16:08.880 --> 01:16:15.520 soul, right, So we're constantly fluctuating between the physical and non physical 960 01:16:15.720 --> 01:16:20.479 and and then the mental and then the heart. So it's just a way, 961 01:16:21.479 --> 01:16:28.119 especially of late, because we have so many we have so many mental 962 01:16:29.279 --> 01:16:34.119 hoops to go through in our societal affairs and news cycles and and all the 963 01:16:34.159 --> 01:16:41.560 stuff that's going on. What I found is a great uh sort of filter. 964 01:16:41.600 --> 01:16:45.039 If my mind can't figure it out, then I just I bring whatever 965 01:16:45.279 --> 01:16:48.039 subject matter you know, or whatever I'm sort of contemplating, you know, 966 01:16:48.079 --> 01:16:51.199 go sit in meditation, try to get out of my head and just bring 967 01:16:51.239 --> 01:16:56.800 it into my physical being, my actual heart and meditation, and I feel 968 01:16:56.800 --> 01:17:00.279 what that feels like, and I bring in the emotions and then that helps 969 01:17:00.319 --> 01:17:06.479 me make in a sense, clear decisions. And a lot of times my 970 01:17:06.560 --> 01:17:11.439 heart says, you're not don't don't go there right now, or just don't 971 01:17:11.479 --> 01:17:14.720 you know, don't don't go If you can't come with a clear decision, 972 01:17:14.760 --> 01:17:18.880 it's not time. And then I think that's where the heart is more relaxed 973 01:17:18.880 --> 01:17:21.800 in that sense, it doesn't have the heart doesn't have to figure it out, 974 01:17:21.840 --> 01:17:26.279 as they're trying to say before trying to add a name to these different 975 01:17:26.319 --> 01:17:29.159 beings or whatever it is. In the heart space, it's like, it's 976 01:17:29.199 --> 01:17:31.039 okay, just allow it to be what it is, and if you can't 977 01:17:31.039 --> 01:17:35.439 figure it out now, eventually you will eventually, but you have to give 978 01:17:35.560 --> 01:17:40.720 that allowance and you and you can't be so quick to label it. And 979 01:17:40.760 --> 01:17:43.920 that's what goes back to the whole Mantis thing, and why I made that 980 01:17:43.920 --> 01:17:47.680 disclaimer is because that's my understanding now Mores is to get less out of the 981 01:17:47.720 --> 01:17:53.039 head and trying to put names and labels on everything that happened, and just 982 01:17:53.079 --> 01:17:56.960 be more in the heart. That's really cool because even if you can't name 983 01:17:57.079 --> 01:18:01.159 something, your heart will still feel something towards it, like you're following your 984 01:18:01.279 --> 01:18:06.600 raw intuition. And I really like your viewpoint in general, because a lot 985 01:18:06.600 --> 01:18:11.439 of people may here like, don't even try to give it a name, 986 01:18:11.600 --> 01:18:14.760 like you know the whole how dare you even try to? And that might 987 01:18:14.880 --> 01:18:20.640 deter them from trying to learn more about different interpretations of this, of the 988 01:18:20.640 --> 01:18:25.920 phenomenon of different cultures or what have you. But I think it's kind of 989 01:18:26.000 --> 01:18:30.479 clicking with me now that it's it's actually it can be really good to learn 990 01:18:30.680 --> 01:18:34.680 a lot of that stuff without attachment. Yeah, the point is to keep 991 01:18:34.720 --> 01:18:38.800 an open mind. I love that. The point is to keep the cup 992 01:18:38.840 --> 01:18:45.439 empty. Yeah, that's that's fascinating. It's it's the attachment that that brings 993 01:18:45.560 --> 01:18:50.800 kind of like the chaos, the confusion that that's that's really That's what I 994 01:18:50.840 --> 01:18:56.880 really love about your dad's message is you have all these sort of military guys 995 01:18:57.000 --> 01:19:00.760 and and people, the nuts and bolts guys trying to figure it out right 996 01:19:00.800 --> 01:19:03.840 and trying to they're so they want to label it right, and your dad 997 01:19:03.960 --> 01:19:06.319 just kind of keeps throwing them curve all. It's like, well, it's 998 01:19:06.439 --> 01:19:09.279 you know, it is what it wants to be, and you know, 999 01:19:09.359 --> 01:19:13.520 and it's it's just I feel your dad has such a big heart in this 1000 01:19:14.760 --> 01:19:19.720 and and uh and I'm I'm excited that he's getting the attention he is through 1001 01:19:20.079 --> 01:19:29.239 by these different agencies and groups and and folks because for so long, those 1002 01:19:29.479 --> 01:19:34.960 those groups, those people have been in a in a search, in a 1003 01:19:35.119 --> 01:19:41.199 mental search for the phenomenon and they and they end up getting what they asked 1004 01:19:41.239 --> 01:19:45.720 for, you know, they're they're you know, uh what what's his name? 1005 01:19:45.800 --> 01:19:50.399 Alex Crowley? And and these Alex Crowley And yeah, did you hear 1006 01:19:50.399 --> 01:19:55.159 that Alex Alex Crowley. We have a joke on our show. His name, 1007 01:19:55.159 --> 01:19:58.239 our producer's name is Alex, and I call him alexter Crowley. That's 1008 01:19:58.279 --> 01:20:00.479 pretty funny. That just happened. We all heard that. Alex is here. 1009 01:20:00.520 --> 01:20:03.399 He's not miked up, but he just heard that. Alex Crowley confirmed 1010 01:20:06.680 --> 01:20:12.199 who is the There was another sort of Jackson Parson's that's right, Jack Parsons, 1011 01:20:12.279 --> 01:20:15.439 Jack Parsons of JPL, Jeff propolsonal labages. He created that. Yeah, 1012 01:20:15.520 --> 01:20:19.760 so you have those cats, right, and we know that world and 1013 01:20:19.800 --> 01:20:27.079 they're going down that sort of mental path and they're interracting with beans that that 1014 01:20:27.079 --> 01:20:31.279 that's grays come from. That's a large percentage of them. Yeah, I 1015 01:20:31.279 --> 01:20:35.720 think not all of them, but I mean, like the first representation in 1016 01:20:36.000 --> 01:20:41.640 history, like the first ever understanding of gray was from Alistair Crowley. He 1017 01:20:42.000 --> 01:20:45.960 in the forties, he channeled, Uh he believed obviously you know this is 1018 01:20:45.960 --> 01:20:48.920 aw speculation and it's from writings from almost one hundred years ago, but he 1019 01:20:49.000 --> 01:20:55.720 believed that he channeled with this entity called iwas And when he was doing one 1020 01:20:55.720 --> 01:20:59.600 of his channeling sessions, he drew this is a hand drawing from Aleister Crowley. 1021 01:20:59.600 --> 01:21:02.720 It's just like a gray being and his name is lamb l A M. 1022 01:21:02.880 --> 01:21:08.199 And that's that's the first ever depiction of like a gray alien. Was 1023 01:21:08.239 --> 01:21:13.560 actually like a really dark channeling session from a cult, a dark occultist of 1024 01:21:13.640 --> 01:21:18.399 course. I mean, yeah, and have the during the Nazieria, you 1025 01:21:18.439 --> 01:21:24.720 know, the Aldebaran group through the Virial society, and they're connecting into those 1026 01:21:24.880 --> 01:21:30.920 darker beings that are giving them technologies to create you know, war machines. 1027 01:21:30.560 --> 01:21:39.479 So these are and that's why I feel it's like maybe you've heard the term 1028 01:21:39.520 --> 01:21:43.000 what you put out is what you get back. And that's sort of the 1029 01:21:43.039 --> 01:21:49.560 idea that the people who are seeking this information through whatever esotery practices that they 1030 01:21:49.760 --> 01:21:56.439 have, whether it's channeling or seances or or conjuring up these beings, they're 1031 01:21:56.479 --> 01:22:00.359 going to get sort of these heavier, darker beings that come through and give 1032 01:22:00.560 --> 01:22:05.720 give them what they what they're asking for. You know, that doesn't mean 1033 01:22:05.800 --> 01:22:12.640 all the beans are that way right exactly. It means that those specific people 1034 01:22:12.680 --> 01:22:16.720 with those specific agendas are seeking certain things and they're going to get it. 1035 01:22:17.239 --> 01:22:24.319 And and to keep an open mind and an open heart that when we want 1036 01:22:24.359 --> 01:22:28.880 to connect to more heart centered beings and we don't have an attachment to a 1037 01:22:28.920 --> 01:22:33.479 specific outcome for you know, we just want to the betterment of humanity and 1038 01:22:33.800 --> 01:22:40.159 ourselves and our families, then different types of beings show up. And that's 1039 01:22:40.199 --> 01:22:44.039 maybe when we get like the bull and the woman who shows up for your 1040 01:22:44.079 --> 01:22:49.079 dad. And I think these are conversations that need to be had in the 1041 01:22:49.119 --> 01:22:57.520 collective a little bit more because unfortunately a lot of those more negative oriented or 1042 01:22:57.600 --> 01:23:06.000 I should say, uh not pro humanity. Uh folks who are have the 1043 01:23:06.800 --> 01:23:13.039 talking piece right now, are are the ones that are sort of talking. 1044 01:23:13.279 --> 01:23:15.439 You know, you have Tucker Carlson, who's very I think, very pro 1045 01:23:15.560 --> 01:23:19.680 humanity, but he's he's been interacting as well as you guys and many other 1046 01:23:19.720 --> 01:23:29.239 people who interact with some of these government groups and uh and there's a lot 1047 01:23:29.279 --> 01:23:32.079 of talk about darkness and evil and and and it's a spiritual war, and 1048 01:23:32.119 --> 01:23:40.399 there's a lot of negative speak about the phenomenon uh and and I believe it's 1049 01:23:40.399 --> 01:23:45.840 all absolutely true, But I think simultaneously we need to be having the light 1050 01:23:45.359 --> 01:23:53.840 question about that there are equally if not greater light beings and and other entities 1051 01:23:53.840 --> 01:24:00.159 that do have the best of humanity in mind for for it's growth, spiritual 1052 01:24:00.600 --> 01:24:06.479 and physical growth, and how we can get to that place where where we 1053 01:24:06.560 --> 01:24:11.560 are in a better place to do things. So I don't know, I'm 1054 01:24:12.239 --> 01:24:16.439 probably going off to me, no, no, I'm that's okay. That 1055 01:24:16.520 --> 01:24:19.720 was very profound. Man. I really was picking up as you were putting 1056 01:24:19.720 --> 01:24:24.840 down there, and I was just thinking I would be I don't know how 1057 01:24:24.840 --> 01:24:30.000 busy your schedule is. I probably could imagine it's extremely insane, but I 1058 01:24:30.000 --> 01:24:33.800 would be really interested to see some time where you fly out and hang out 1059 01:24:33.840 --> 01:24:38.039 with us and we SkyWatch. I bet, I bet we'd have some wild 1060 01:24:38.079 --> 01:24:42.359 sightings. That's that's something that we should talk about in the future. Yeah, 1061 01:24:42.399 --> 01:24:45.039 absolutely, I do. I haven't so much this year, but I 1062 01:24:45.079 --> 01:24:49.439 often do so. Uh. You know Steven Greer and his protocols. And 1063 01:24:49.680 --> 01:24:53.359 it was funny because when I had your dad on, I think when I 1064 01:24:53.399 --> 01:24:55.760 first reached out him, I'm like, oh, I see you've been doing 1065 01:24:55.840 --> 01:24:59.399 a lot of summony and he said, I don't like that word so many 1066 01:25:00.000 --> 01:25:02.840 and uh, and I was like, oh, perfect, I understand because 1067 01:25:03.199 --> 01:25:06.359 you know that that it does come. It's a it's a loaded word. 1068 01:25:06.680 --> 01:25:12.760 It is when especially in the religious contexts and these types of things. But 1069 01:25:13.520 --> 01:25:17.359 I do sort of my version of of that. I'm not anywhere as your 1070 01:25:17.439 --> 01:25:24.239 dad definitely is tapping into something very unique. But we often in my local 1071 01:25:24.279 --> 01:25:30.880 communities here we do skywatches or I got it contact work essentially, and it's 1072 01:25:30.960 --> 01:25:36.079 it's using some of Guer's original protocols but sort of taking it to the next 1073 01:25:36.159 --> 01:25:44.279 level with meditation, sound calling in the right you know, setting the field 1074 01:25:45.000 --> 01:25:50.239 of intention and when you get a group, especially when there's more people involved. 1075 01:25:50.279 --> 01:25:58.560 I've noticed the the the likelihood of the phenomenon showing up seems to be 1076 01:25:58.880 --> 01:26:00.560 especially if everybody's in sane. Now, if you do have one, if 1077 01:26:00.600 --> 01:26:05.600 there's one person in the group that is not on the same page, it 1078 01:26:05.680 --> 01:26:11.560 will the phenomena won't show up. And the messages I've got is they're not 1079 01:26:11.680 --> 01:26:15.159 in the fear making business, at least the ones that we're trying to call 1080 01:26:15.159 --> 01:26:19.399 in, they're not. They They they stay away because they know some people 1081 01:26:19.479 --> 01:26:25.960 might be triggered in that fear sense. So if but if you're if everybody 1082 01:26:26.000 --> 01:26:30.319 can be sort of open minded and open hearted to call them in. We've 1083 01:26:30.319 --> 01:26:35.640 had some wild sightings out here in California. I had I had so I 1084 01:26:35.640 --> 01:26:41.439 mean Ryan and I met around thirteen something like that. The first time that 1085 01:26:41.520 --> 01:26:45.159 I went to his house, and for the first multiple years of me knowing 1086 01:26:45.159 --> 01:26:50.439 about this subject matter, I was terrified and like, you know, I 1087 01:26:50.439 --> 01:26:54.359 don't know why. It was just I don't know, maybe it was a 1088 01:26:54.359 --> 01:27:00.439 religious trauma thing, who knows. But I didn't start having sightings and experiences 1089 01:27:00.520 --> 01:27:03.319 until the fear went away. The fear went away, that's when I start 1090 01:27:03.359 --> 01:27:08.119 seeing things. And now and what you're saying with like, if everyone's not 1091 01:27:08.199 --> 01:27:11.720 on the same page. Oh yeah, Chris will make sure everybody's on the 1092 01:27:11.760 --> 01:27:15.039 same page. Hey, cut the football. Chat's let's focus, let's let's 1093 01:27:15.079 --> 01:27:18.479 look up, let's focus our thoughts, our feelings, our emotions, let's 1094 01:27:18.479 --> 01:27:23.479 pray. You know. Like what you're saying is dead on. And from 1095 01:27:23.520 --> 01:27:28.239 what I've experienced, yeah, it's true. And we have had situations even 1096 01:27:28.279 --> 01:27:30.039 recently where there have been skeptics in the group and we still see something. 1097 01:27:30.399 --> 01:27:35.279 But I mean, that's that's a deeper philosophical question because some of these people, 1098 01:27:35.319 --> 01:27:40.840 I think, depending on how they act, deserve to be shocked a 1099 01:27:40.880 --> 01:27:44.239 little bit. Like from what I understand, the beings aren't in the business 1100 01:27:44.279 --> 01:27:46.520 of breaking people's free will, you know. And like Dad was recently at 1101 01:27:46.560 --> 01:27:53.720 a like a fifty plus person groups group, what do you call, alex 1102 01:27:53.800 --> 01:27:56.720 it was, you were there. It was a convention, right, It 1103 01:27:56.760 --> 01:28:02.039 was like a small convention about seventy people, and there was a very audible 1104 01:28:02.720 --> 01:28:06.760 rude skeptic in the group, and they would be seeing orbs as a group, 1105 01:28:06.800 --> 01:28:10.920 and then the guy would vocalize and he'd say it's a firefly, it's 1106 01:28:10.920 --> 01:28:15.199 a satellite whatever, you know, and it would disappear, and Dad would 1107 01:28:15.199 --> 01:28:18.319 say I don't remember. I mean Alex could attest to what he said. 1108 01:28:18.319 --> 01:28:23.800 I wasn't there, but he would get the group refocused. They would start 1109 01:28:23.800 --> 01:28:27.680 seeing things. And it's just like sometimes even with a skeptic present or just 1110 01:28:27.680 --> 01:28:31.159 a negative nancy, it still can be seen, but it dims the experience 1111 01:28:31.199 --> 01:28:35.520 overall. There was another thing I did recently with Dad, and like nine 1112 01:28:35.560 --> 01:28:39.319 other people were there. We were out on the beach here and there was 1113 01:28:39.359 --> 01:28:42.800 a skeptic in the group who still saw things. And he left just like 1114 01:28:43.359 --> 01:28:46.279 arm around us in the photo, big believer, like his wife dragged it 1115 01:28:46.359 --> 01:28:48.600 or she was a big believer. He didn't want anything to do with it. 1116 01:28:48.720 --> 01:28:51.399 He wouldn't get in our group photos at first. By the end of 1117 01:28:51.399 --> 01:28:57.279 the night he was all I want to be in the picture. It was 1118 01:28:57.319 --> 01:29:00.960 awesome, But generally that is true and like experience. Yeah, and I 1119 01:29:01.000 --> 01:29:06.000 think we're we're getting to I mean, just now they're talking about you know, 1120 01:29:06.079 --> 01:29:11.479 beans in the Miami malls, right, so we're having uh, we're 1121 01:29:11.520 --> 01:29:15.520 having I think we've hit I think what's happened in Congress, you know, 1122 01:29:15.640 --> 01:29:25.479 last summer with David Grush and David Fraverer and and Ryan graves testifying and the 1123 01:29:25.520 --> 01:29:31.520 news cycles, uh with you know Rogan and and others, you know, 1124 01:29:31.600 --> 01:29:34.960 doing the podcast and talking about this subject. And it's sort of it's seeding 1125 01:29:35.000 --> 01:29:41.239 the collective now where I think we've hit that critical mass of of it's no 1126 01:29:41.319 --> 01:29:46.000 longer a question of of you know, are they real or not? So 1127 01:29:46.319 --> 01:29:50.119 this sort of have you heard that story? Uh? I think it was 1128 01:29:50.159 --> 01:29:55.680 in what the bleep? Where like when the the I don't know if it's 1129 01:29:55.720 --> 01:29:59.199 the Mayflower whenever the ships first were coming, you know, Columbus and the 1130 01:29:59.239 --> 01:30:03.279 ships were first come, I mean over and the natives were they were sort 1131 01:30:03.279 --> 01:30:08.560 of parked outside a little bit away offshore, but they were just sort of 1132 01:30:08.560 --> 01:30:11.800 parked there for several days and the natives couldn't even see it. They couldn't 1133 01:30:11.800 --> 01:30:15.760 even see the ships. And it wasn't until the shaman went into a trance, 1134 01:30:16.600 --> 01:30:21.159 the shaman of the village or whatever and then actually had the concept of 1135 01:30:21.199 --> 01:30:26.960 what they were and then told the villagers, hey, there's something out there. 1136 01:30:27.159 --> 01:30:31.319 You know, there are ships or there beings or other physical humans not 1137 01:30:31.439 --> 01:30:34.039 from our lands, but they're out there. And then and then it was 1138 01:30:34.079 --> 01:30:40.720 once it was sort of said, then the natives could see the ships and 1139 01:30:40.800 --> 01:30:45.119 then and then sort of it took several days for that for that to sort 1140 01:30:45.159 --> 01:30:48.560 of happen. So here's that analogy that if enough people, if it's not 1141 01:30:48.680 --> 01:30:55.760 in their consciousness, if it's just outside of their worldview, then were you 1142 01:30:55.760 --> 01:30:58.800 know, even though they may be there, you can't see them. So 1143 01:30:59.199 --> 01:31:03.880 as as we're seeding the collective with this idea that this stuff is real, 1144 01:31:03.920 --> 01:31:08.159 guys, take you know, this is not video games, this is not 1145 01:31:08.800 --> 01:31:12.600 you know, movies, this is not make believe. There are real beings 1146 01:31:12.640 --> 01:31:15.199 from other dimensions all around us all the time, all the time. The 1147 01:31:15.199 --> 01:31:20.039 more the more that seeds into the collective consciousness, the more they're actually showing 1148 01:31:20.119 --> 01:31:24.159 up, or the more we can actually see them. They've probably always been 1149 01:31:24.159 --> 01:31:29.000 there, but where we can now acknowledge the fact that it's real. And 1150 01:31:29.000 --> 01:31:32.760 and I think we're at that place now where we've we've hit that critical mass 1151 01:31:32.760 --> 01:31:36.760 in a sense where where now it's like anything goes. I think the phenomenon 1152 01:31:38.239 --> 01:31:44.760 is going to continue to show up in the malls or wherever however it decides 1153 01:31:44.800 --> 01:31:48.039 to show up. And I think people are going to be taking it seriously 1154 01:31:48.079 --> 01:31:53.119 now and and We're going to have our share of hoaxes. And you know, 1155 01:31:54.199 --> 01:31:59.560 I'm still you know, uh, the Miami thing is a whole other 1156 01:32:00.239 --> 01:32:02.960 rabbit hole we can go down. But there's gonna be hoaxes. There's going 1157 01:32:03.000 --> 01:32:09.960 to be taking false flag stuff. That's what the that's what the primary message 1158 01:32:10.039 --> 01:32:14.279 to my dad from the lady was that they are going to commit a mass 1159 01:32:14.319 --> 01:32:17.920 deception. And in the final stages of this information, I mean it's on 1160 01:32:17.960 --> 01:32:23.279 the cusp of breaking out. And I mean I've I've been like buried deep 1161 01:32:23.319 --> 01:32:26.840 down in a vault of the UFO of subjects since two thousand and seven, 1162 01:32:27.159 --> 01:32:29.840 you know, with my family being prodded by the Department of Defense. I 1163 01:32:29.840 --> 01:32:32.439 mean, we've been in the heart of it. And I have seen looking 1164 01:32:32.479 --> 01:32:36.800 around me people I know out in the world. I have seen people very 1165 01:32:36.840 --> 01:32:42.239 gradually until recently, very exponentially, just begin to rapidly shift to where it's 1166 01:32:42.279 --> 01:32:46.680 all anyone's ever talking about anymore, you know. And my point is, 1167 01:32:46.760 --> 01:32:50.840 I think you're exactly right. I was just on Danny Jones last month, 1168 01:32:50.920 --> 01:32:54.720 as you know, I mean, we I know you saw it and you're 1169 01:32:54.760 --> 01:32:57.000 aware of that, but I was just on there and one of the things 1170 01:32:57.039 --> 01:33:00.800 I said on there, and he put the clip out, and I've been 1171 01:33:00.840 --> 01:33:04.319 sharing the clip. I said that that's the way, as I understand it, 1172 01:33:04.439 --> 01:33:09.680 that the phenomenon is going to the grand reveal. Right, it's like 1173 01:33:09.960 --> 01:33:13.560 they're not in the business of breaking our free will. That people always ask. 1174 01:33:13.600 --> 01:33:16.159 One of the main questions we get. We get a thousand different cookie 1175 01:33:16.199 --> 01:33:18.680 cutter questions, over and over and over. You know, what the craft 1176 01:33:18.680 --> 01:33:20.960 look like, what the being look like, this, that, and the 1177 01:33:20.960 --> 01:33:25.159 other. And one of the questions is why don't they just appear for everybody? 1178 01:33:26.199 --> 01:33:29.319 And my answer to that was, I, you know, they're not 1179 01:33:29.359 --> 01:33:31.720 in the business of breaking free will. And as I understand it, the 1180 01:33:31.800 --> 01:33:36.600 game is once the majority of the collective consciousness, like say fifty one percent 1181 01:33:36.840 --> 01:33:44.600 or above, understands and is aware of this phenomenon and to some capacity acknowledges 1182 01:33:44.680 --> 01:33:48.520 and believes that it is there, then I think it's free game poof you 1183 01:33:48.520 --> 01:33:53.000 know what I mean. But right now it's not the collective exactly like you 1184 01:33:53.039 --> 01:33:56.239 said, I'm a one hundred percent in line. I'm very pleased that you 1185 01:33:56.840 --> 01:34:00.800 said that too. I mean, it's very synchronistic. But yeah, and 1186 01:34:00.840 --> 01:34:05.399 I think especially for the well, I think for either either side. So 1187 01:34:06.039 --> 01:34:11.119 if we're talking about different sides of the phenomenon, whether it's like we were 1188 01:34:11.119 --> 01:34:15.319 saying, the heart center or the more mental center beans, I think either 1189 01:34:15.319 --> 01:34:20.359 way, it's my understanding from my interactions that if one side, say the 1190 01:34:20.399 --> 01:34:26.960 negatively oriented beings, sort of push that free will envelope a little bit where 1191 01:34:27.000 --> 01:34:33.880 they show up or do things in a sense against the free will of general 1192 01:34:33.920 --> 01:34:41.920 humanity or certain individuals, then that gives a permission slip for the Light to 1193 01:34:42.000 --> 01:34:46.199 come in and sort of do damage control. So there's a that's the universal 1194 01:34:46.239 --> 01:34:50.199 balance that we have is and sometimes those rules are broken, you know, 1195 01:34:50.359 --> 01:34:55.800 and then damage you know, clean up crews come in and fix the situation 1196 01:34:56.079 --> 01:34:59.000 and vice versa. And I think that's why the Light is very careful because 1197 01:34:59.039 --> 01:35:03.720 they know if they break that that agreement, the free will agreement, then 1198 01:35:04.039 --> 01:35:08.920 some really nasty things could come in. So it's this this power game of 1199 01:35:09.000 --> 01:35:15.560 groups that are you know, wanting to uh steer and manipulate humanity and to 1200 01:35:15.640 --> 01:35:20.680 their own liking, but they have to there's still rules of engagement, so 1201 01:35:20.800 --> 01:35:25.199 to say that they have to play by. Are we talking about Star Wars, 1202 01:35:25.239 --> 01:35:30.000 because it sounds so much like the Force, like the Jedi and the 1203 01:35:30.039 --> 01:35:33.680 Sith. That's that's like our most referenced pop culture thing on this show. 1204 01:35:33.960 --> 01:35:41.119 And I think it's like it's one of the most pure examples of that like 1205 01:35:41.680 --> 01:35:47.000 psychic download and the core truth being leaked into fiction, you know. But 1206 01:35:47.119 --> 01:35:49.399 I mean, yeah, I was just listening and I was like, okay, 1207 01:35:49.520 --> 01:35:55.520 check check, Like it's it's very similar to the Balance of the Force, 1208 01:35:55.680 --> 01:35:59.920 and that story is told time and time and time and time again. 1209 01:36:00.239 --> 01:36:02.800 I mean, if you kind of think about it in a way like even 1210 01:36:02.960 --> 01:36:11.399 Dante's Inferno with with Dante and his brother is Virgil, right, it's I 1211 01:36:12.920 --> 01:36:16.279 That's what I meant. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but that's where the 1212 01:36:16.279 --> 01:36:20.000 game comes from. He's descending in exactly. But in Devil May Cry. 1213 01:36:20.520 --> 01:36:24.560 Uh, you know, that's kind of like Cain and Abel, like the 1214 01:36:25.239 --> 01:36:30.000 good, the evil, the brothers, like the it's the constant, yes, 1215 01:36:30.399 --> 01:36:33.640 yes, the duality, you know. It's it's just so funny. 1216 01:36:33.640 --> 01:36:36.840 I was like, this is Star Wars, you know, but it's real. 1217 01:36:38.520 --> 01:36:41.039 It's well, that's what I'm saying. That's I think why Devil May 1218 01:36:41.079 --> 01:36:46.600 Cry has that appeal on a subconscious level, because these are these are storylines 1219 01:36:46.640 --> 01:36:54.760 that are seated in our DNA, and as we explore them more will find 1220 01:36:54.760 --> 01:36:59.000 out maybe more more truth and you know, human origins and where all that, 1221 01:36:59.199 --> 01:37:03.279 how that all comes into play. But yeah, we you know, 1222 01:37:03.720 --> 01:37:10.399 this is why our science fiction reflects real life and vice versa, and those 1223 01:37:10.479 --> 01:37:15.560 worlds are getting pretty dicey as far as the line, yeah, the line 1224 01:37:15.640 --> 01:37:18.720 is blurred. Yeah, very much, very much. Absolutely. I have 1225 01:37:18.760 --> 01:37:25.920 to ask, what's your martial art background? So I started with well, 1226 01:37:26.039 --> 01:37:30.439 as a young kid, I had a little bit of taekwondo experience, and 1227 01:37:30.479 --> 01:37:35.640 then moved to Japan at the age of nineteen and ended up studying aikdo. 1228 01:37:36.000 --> 01:37:43.279 That was pretty pretty easy to access out there, so I learned some good 1229 01:37:43.760 --> 01:37:54.479 rolling skills and then my drive into wanting to be more cinema oriented. Aikdo 1230 01:37:54.680 --> 01:37:57.560 there's you know, only so much. The roles are good, but other 1231 01:37:57.600 --> 01:38:00.640 than that, it's not. There's not a whole lot of kire some punches. 1232 01:38:00.680 --> 01:38:03.520 I mean, Segaul did a good job of making a cinematic look good 1233 01:38:03.560 --> 01:38:10.319 on film, but I was looking for more. So I started a big 1234 01:38:10.359 --> 01:38:15.000 fan of Bruce Lee. As you can tell with the got into gi kundo 1235 01:38:15.199 --> 01:38:20.199 and awesome learning learned uh you know, wing wing some wing chung basics and 1236 01:38:20.399 --> 01:38:26.439 uh and then kicking with taekwondo, and and then once you go into the 1237 01:38:26.560 --> 01:38:30.880 action cinema world. I just I was like a sponge just absorbing every martial 1238 01:38:30.960 --> 01:38:36.479 art that I could possibly get my hands on. But I would say probably 1239 01:38:36.520 --> 01:38:44.479 the the one I stayed the most diligent with was different forms of karate, 1240 01:38:45.680 --> 01:38:53.920 chot con and and uh some some judo jiu jitsu and uh and then aikido. 1241 01:38:54.159 --> 01:38:57.359 Those are kind of my my main more Japanese arts because that was where 1242 01:38:57.399 --> 01:39:00.359 I was based, even though I went to Hong Kong for for a minute 1243 01:39:00.399 --> 01:39:03.079 and work there. But yeah, that's awesome, a little bit of everything. 1244 01:39:03.479 --> 01:39:09.520 Yeah, yeah, very very colorful rainbow of martial arts there. I 1245 01:39:09.560 --> 01:39:13.520 actually studied wing chun for four years. Oh wow. Yeah, I love 1246 01:39:13.560 --> 01:39:15.800 it, love it to death. And you kundo obviously because of the connection 1247 01:39:15.840 --> 01:39:19.159 there with Bruce Lee. Very cool. I know they also do chisol which 1248 01:39:19.199 --> 01:39:24.439 is awesome but super cool. And then I guess, uh, I have 1249 01:39:24.520 --> 01:39:27.239 to say, before we started, you you said you had some questions for 1250 01:39:27.319 --> 01:39:29.960 us. Do you still have to feel like there's anything you wanted to ask 1251 01:39:30.039 --> 01:39:34.199 us, Well, I do know, well, since you mentioned you know, 1252 01:39:34.279 --> 01:39:45.520 Jim Simmy van Jim and that I would say that that crew of uh 1253 01:39:45.039 --> 01:39:48.840 former c I A or current c I A, because what's the saying, 1254 01:39:49.399 --> 01:39:56.479 never really former? Yeah, they're never you never really leave it. You 1255 01:39:56.520 --> 01:40:01.920 guys have been exposed to that group, to that group specifically more than others. 1256 01:40:02.000 --> 01:40:06.720 And I'm glad you asked those questions. And I'm just curious, have 1257 01:40:06.880 --> 01:40:15.800 you been able to see a specific agenda because we know to the Stars, 1258 01:40:15.840 --> 01:40:19.600 and we know the New York Times article, and we know that certain players 1259 01:40:21.119 --> 01:40:27.359 speak about certain events, but then they tend to leave out other events they 1260 01:40:27.359 --> 01:40:30.479 tend to leave out. They're very selective in there and what they decide to 1261 01:40:30.520 --> 01:40:35.399 talk about in the public forums. And I'm wondering if you've been able to 1262 01:40:35.479 --> 01:40:43.680 see a narrative, a specific narrative that's being driven through some of those groups. 1263 01:40:44.800 --> 01:40:47.119 You might not like it, but yes, the narrative that I've seen 1264 01:40:47.560 --> 01:40:57.159 from many of these you could say bad faith UFO disclosure groups is actually reptilians. 1265 01:40:57.760 --> 01:41:00.159 It's what they want to push. They want to push this idea that 1266 01:41:00.279 --> 01:41:04.119 there's this bad negative force out there dominating the whole galaxy. We got to 1267 01:41:04.159 --> 01:41:08.680 militarize. I mean, this isn't something that they have outright said to the 1268 01:41:08.720 --> 01:41:12.479 public, but it's what it's building to. Whether it's gonna end up as 1269 01:41:12.520 --> 01:41:15.279 reptilians or you know, some beings hopping through a portal at the mall with 1270 01:41:15.399 --> 01:41:19.640 really sexy holograms, you know, just saying, but you know, the 1271 01:41:19.720 --> 01:41:24.760 idea here is that the agenda, I'm just gonna call it like I see 1272 01:41:24.800 --> 01:41:29.239 it is to build this picture that there is a massive, very powerful, 1273 01:41:29.880 --> 01:41:33.560 negative fleet of warlike beings and oh God, forget it, it's not real. 1274 01:41:33.600 --> 01:41:36.479 We don't have data of it. I've literally been like, it's about 1275 01:41:36.479 --> 01:41:39.800 God. They're like, we don't know if God's real. We've never seen 1276 01:41:39.840 --> 01:41:42.359 it, we've never experienced it. We don't have the data. I'm like, 1277 01:41:42.439 --> 01:41:45.439 yeah, dude, okay, sure you're the one coming to us for 1278 01:41:45.560 --> 01:41:49.000 questions. We're seeing all these beings that you know, Yeah, it's the 1279 01:41:49.600 --> 01:41:57.960 agenda is to to completely remove any sort of connection to as you like to 1280 01:41:57.960 --> 01:42:00.359 say, which I love and I'm going to start saying this heart's centered or 1281 01:42:01.119 --> 01:42:05.239 spirit or just connection to the force, to God, to consciousness to the 1282 01:42:05.319 --> 01:42:10.439 eternal right. That's the agenda. It's to remove that and to sort of 1283 01:42:10.479 --> 01:42:15.319 subconsciously plant this fear towards the phenomenon and building this image of just a dark, 1284 01:42:15.520 --> 01:42:20.239 nasty alien force. That's the agenda, that's the deception. And there 1285 01:42:20.239 --> 01:42:26.319 are people in multiple camps of the CIA who push this message. And then 1286 01:42:26.760 --> 01:42:30.680 there are people who like, for example, Jim Simmy. Then he's a 1287 01:42:30.760 --> 01:42:32.720 nice guy and I've talked to him about Reptois before. He's like, yeah, 1288 01:42:32.760 --> 01:42:36.039 you know, elements of that story I find to be true, but 1289 01:42:36.199 --> 01:42:40.399 also your family story one hundred percent. I believe it. You need to 1290 01:42:40.399 --> 01:42:43.199 go shout out to the rooftops and tell the whole world. And we're like, 1291 01:42:44.119 --> 01:42:46.600 okay, And you know, he's never tried to censor us. He's 1292 01:42:46.640 --> 01:42:49.960 never tried to, you know, make us be quiet. But then there 1293 01:42:49.960 --> 01:42:56.319 are other people in other institutions like NASA, and maybe I could tell you 1294 01:42:56.359 --> 01:43:00.560 off air, but there are some other individuals who have I've hard tried to 1295 01:43:00.600 --> 01:43:06.680 censor us and have actually given us death threats. It's very complicated. Wow, 1296 01:43:08.479 --> 01:43:15.000 you mean never a straight answer NASA answer. Yeah, Yeah, that's 1297 01:43:15.079 --> 01:43:18.680 great. Yeah, that's that's that's really deep. But yeah, so here's 1298 01:43:18.720 --> 01:43:21.800 my philosophy. At the end of the day, I just one hundred percent 1299 01:43:21.880 --> 01:43:25.520 believe sure, when there's dark, there's light, right, you know, 1300 01:43:25.640 --> 01:43:28.920 if you can if you can be hot, you can be cold. There's 1301 01:43:28.920 --> 01:43:30.399 always a balance to the universe. There's always a darkened light. But my 1302 01:43:30.439 --> 01:43:33.800 philosophy is I don't care. You know, all I care about is the 1303 01:43:33.840 --> 01:43:38.239 light. All I care about is I used to sit around and try to 1304 01:43:38.319 --> 01:43:41.439 learn everything about the darkness. And when I first broke away from being a 1305 01:43:41.439 --> 01:43:46.960 hardcore Christian and really leaning into this very mysterious, mystical occult life of dealing 1306 01:43:46.960 --> 01:43:49.840 with beings that pop through and then I'm going to church on Sunday, I'm 1307 01:43:49.840 --> 01:43:53.479 like, something has to give here. You know, you can't serve two 1308 01:43:53.479 --> 01:43:57.439 masters. I can't go and be a faithful Christian but also know that there's 1309 01:43:57.479 --> 01:44:00.520 more right. And I walked away from that old life, and I guess 1310 01:44:00.560 --> 01:44:04.600 where I've ended up now is all that matters is the light, truly, 1311 01:44:04.800 --> 01:44:10.319 like all that matters is understanding that there is hope, There is benevolence in 1312 01:44:10.359 --> 01:44:13.800 the universe. There is an intelligent design and a force that is very near 1313 01:44:13.840 --> 01:44:15.600 and dear to us, and that comes when we call. I think it's 1314 01:44:15.600 --> 01:44:17.840 in us. I think it's in the air. I think it's in the 1315 01:44:17.880 --> 01:44:20.600 water. It's in your breath, it's in your mind, it's in your 1316 01:44:20.600 --> 01:44:24.279 body, it's in your spirit. It's everywhere. It's like the matrix. 1317 01:44:24.359 --> 01:44:29.760 Right, it can't be nowhere. Right, It's like the primordial spiritual force 1318 01:44:29.840 --> 01:44:32.680 that permeates all things. And that's all the fucking matters. It's just living 1319 01:44:32.760 --> 01:44:39.399 a life trying to be connected to that and shunning the dark force, shunning 1320 01:44:39.399 --> 01:44:43.880 the negativity. Yes, there's an agenda. There's absolutely an agenda. And 1321 01:44:43.920 --> 01:44:48.680 I will say I probably should be a little bit more careful about us saying 1322 01:44:48.720 --> 01:44:53.880 particular names of particular people anymore because of shadow banning and things like that. 1323 01:44:54.000 --> 01:44:57.359 But yeah, there's some people in NASA that don't like some of the things 1324 01:44:57.399 --> 01:45:02.560 I've said. Yeah, well that just because it's most researchers I think that 1325 01:45:02.640 --> 01:45:10.920 are doing the deep dive can see that happening. And and I thank you 1326 01:45:11.000 --> 01:45:17.000 for those words because I and I knew, I knew there was I knew 1327 01:45:17.000 --> 01:45:21.000 there was something different with with you, your dad and the messaging. Even 1328 01:45:21.039 --> 01:45:25.680 though there may be some some of those people near nearby. I'm like, 1329 01:45:26.199 --> 01:45:30.560 something's not adding up here. Yeah, And I talked to you, I 1330 01:45:30.600 --> 01:45:32.399 talked to your dad, and I'm like, these guys are the most heart 1331 01:45:32.439 --> 01:45:38.960 centered, awesome people. And if anything, what I believe is is just 1332 01:45:40.840 --> 01:45:44.359 some you know, if if some of these sort of nefarious or or are 1333 01:45:45.199 --> 01:45:48.479 not not the best intentioned people that may be coming close to you, if 1334 01:45:48.520 --> 01:45:56.600 anything, they're gonna they're gonna get a heart awakening. And and I just 1335 01:45:56.640 --> 01:46:00.720 want to say, keep doing what you're doing, because so we need more 1336 01:46:00.760 --> 01:46:03.880 of it. Was that the uncomfortable question? Yeah, because I did. 1337 01:46:04.199 --> 01:46:09.319 I kind of didn't know. It sounds like you're very much aware of it, 1338 01:46:09.359 --> 01:46:11.800 and I didn't know how much. And that was just kind of, 1339 01:46:12.479 --> 01:46:15.159 you know, I didn't know what the answer It turned out to be. 1340 01:46:15.239 --> 01:46:17.399 Not uncomfortable at all, No, not at all. Thousands of people. 1341 01:46:17.479 --> 01:46:20.399 I mean, you go look on Reddit and it's all we're CIA plants or 1342 01:46:20.439 --> 01:46:24.439 we're mental patients. I mean, it's just pick your lane, you know, 1343 01:46:24.560 --> 01:46:29.039 Like that's nah, that's that's part and parcel of you know, you 1344 01:46:29.079 --> 01:46:30.680 take a picture of somebody in the CIA, say oh look there there are 1345 01:46:30.720 --> 01:46:35.079 plants. It's like really, I mean, okay, I guess it's not 1346 01:46:35.119 --> 01:46:38.520 common that this happens. You know, I don't know anybody else in my 1347 01:46:38.640 --> 01:46:42.600 entire life that's that's been in this position. But you know, it's it's 1348 01:46:42.600 --> 01:46:45.479 a reasonable question. I appreciate you asking. Yeah, yeah, I wasn't 1349 01:46:45.520 --> 01:46:49.000 sure if it was asked here before or not. But I just have to 1350 01:46:49.000 --> 01:46:54.520 do my due diligence as the researcher. And you know, but again, 1351 01:46:54.640 --> 01:47:00.560 I can feel my heart says, you guys are are doing a great thing. 1352 01:47:00.600 --> 01:47:03.399 And every time that was a question, I sort of had ready for 1353 01:47:03.479 --> 01:47:06.960 your dad, but his energy, his heart energy was just so blasted, 1354 01:47:08.159 --> 01:47:10.880 you know, my members and my crew open. I was like, there's 1355 01:47:10.880 --> 01:47:15.920 no way this guy is on any sort of sort of bad team, so 1356 01:47:15.000 --> 01:47:17.680 to say, if you want to put it in that context, it's just 1357 01:47:17.680 --> 01:47:21.800 like it's and if he's around those people, he's just gonna blow up in 1358 01:47:21.840 --> 01:47:26.840 their hearts. And we have had bad people around us, Reubin like, 1359 01:47:26.880 --> 01:47:30.760 that's the thing seventeen years dealing with it's just open book. Anybody from the 1360 01:47:30.800 --> 01:47:32.079 government that came, you know, we said, sure, come in. 1361 01:47:32.199 --> 01:47:35.479 You know, we have had people give us death threats. We have had 1362 01:47:35.479 --> 01:47:40.199 people threatened to silence. Even recently. My episode on Danny Jones was shadow 1363 01:47:40.239 --> 01:47:43.760 Band. You know, like the there are bad I'm not. I am 1364 01:47:43.920 --> 01:47:45.880 never to you or to anyone in the world. I Am never going to 1365 01:47:45.960 --> 01:47:48.880 be the guy that's like, they're all good, you got it all wrong. 1366 01:47:49.119 --> 01:47:51.760 No, no, no, no, I think most are probably bad. 1367 01:47:53.560 --> 01:47:57.640 Right. I'm very much in line with that line of questioning. It's 1368 01:47:57.680 --> 01:48:01.119 just I'm in the uncomfortable position of atally knowing these people. Everyone else out 1369 01:48:01.119 --> 01:48:06.800 there is reading about it in the fantastical world of theory, I'm like actually 1370 01:48:06.840 --> 01:48:10.560 living in it, you know. And it's a little more nuanced than the 1371 01:48:10.560 --> 01:48:15.600 fantastical world of theory. And you know, it's it's complicated, but it 1372 01:48:15.640 --> 01:48:18.560 is. I mean, I have friends in those arenas as well, and 1373 01:48:18.800 --> 01:48:24.880 I'm constantly getting questions sometimes as well, and and I just have to go 1374 01:48:25.039 --> 01:48:35.039 with that. There are there are obvious things. There are obvious agendas that, 1375 01:48:35.199 --> 01:48:38.399 like you were just saying, you know, this one agenda that I 1376 01:48:38.439 --> 01:48:41.079 think that's one of them. Have you heard the let me just throw this 1377 01:48:41.079 --> 01:48:45.520 out. Have you heard the religion UFO religion agenda, Like they're creating a 1378 01:48:45.560 --> 01:48:53.479 religion yeah, like it's the or the idea that this the phenomenon is is 1379 01:48:53.720 --> 01:48:57.680 going to take over Catholicism in the sense and and there's going to be specific 1380 01:48:57.720 --> 01:49:00.880 gatekeepers that want that are going to be like the new priest that are going 1381 01:49:00.960 --> 01:49:10.239 to have the the They're the chosen ones that have the the keys. So 1382 01:49:10.359 --> 01:49:17.479 if people want to basically just a copy of the current religious uh uh structures 1383 01:49:17.479 --> 01:49:21.680 that we have uh and then that so that agenda is sort of being pushed 1384 01:49:23.199 --> 01:49:28.920 into the collective, so people think, oh, that person has superpowers or 1385 01:49:29.640 --> 01:49:32.079 or this person is a gatekeeper. So to to talk to the phenomenon, 1386 01:49:32.079 --> 01:49:34.039 to get in touch with it, I need to go through that person. 1387 01:49:34.119 --> 01:49:40.680 And and then basically we just have a rehash of the whole religious thing that 1388 01:49:40.720 --> 01:49:44.960 we've been dealing with first thus years on this planet. I don't think that's 1389 01:49:44.960 --> 01:49:49.079 ever going to come to play, but I have heard that there are that 1390 01:49:49.079 --> 01:49:55.479 that agenda is part of some of the shadowy government groups that are trying to 1391 01:49:56.640 --> 01:50:00.520 that's one one of their game plans, one of their playbooks. I haven't 1392 01:50:00.560 --> 01:50:04.199 heard of that one, but that's that's very interesting. Yeah, no, 1393 01:50:04.279 --> 01:50:08.760 I'm not familiar with that one, but I mean, it makes sense right 1394 01:50:09.479 --> 01:50:12.000 right, and and that's where we're getting, you know, sort of the 1395 01:50:12.039 --> 01:50:18.159 fear, the fear aspects of the seeding of the collective consciousness with the fear 1396 01:50:18.199 --> 01:50:23.840 stuff, and it's just something to be careful of. I think, you 1397 01:50:23.880 --> 01:50:29.439 know, I think where we're headed ultimately is, uh, We're gonna have 1398 01:50:29.479 --> 01:50:33.199 a wild ride the next couple of years here as people see the ships, 1399 01:50:33.239 --> 01:50:38.159 so to say, as they start to recognize the ships like in the native 1400 01:50:38.239 --> 01:50:44.680 story of off the Coast, and they can they sort of materialize. But 1401 01:50:44.960 --> 01:50:48.279 I think as we get through it and the more conversations we have like this, 1402 01:50:48.960 --> 01:50:53.960 then people, you know, those sort of agendas will have to just 1403 01:50:54.000 --> 01:50:58.039 by default fall to the wayside. They're not going to be able to keep 1404 01:50:58.720 --> 01:51:00.600 the fear going, and they're not going to be able to keep these limited 1405 01:51:00.640 --> 01:51:09.279 hangout groups going because it's just you know, humans, we are evolving at 1406 01:51:09.319 --> 01:51:15.880 such a fast pace now with the conversation, the subject, the technology, 1407 01:51:16.880 --> 01:51:24.199 and I think we're going to see the prophecies of you know, a thousand 1408 01:51:24.279 --> 01:51:28.760 years of peace and these types of things are right there, they're right on 1409 01:51:28.760 --> 01:51:32.000 the horizon. I think we just do what we keep doing here by having 1410 01:51:32.039 --> 01:51:36.640 these awesome conversations and then eventually the rest of the humanity will catch on and 1411 01:51:36.680 --> 01:51:41.760 we can let all that, all the silliness, the silly agendas go go 1412 01:51:41.880 --> 01:51:45.159 to fall to the wayside. Yeah, Age of Aquarius, I'm right there 1413 01:51:45.159 --> 01:51:48.399 with you. Yep. Well wow, I mean this was like, this 1414 01:51:48.439 --> 01:51:51.119 has been amazing. Is there anything on your heart that you feel like is 1415 01:51:51.199 --> 01:51:57.640 unsaid for now? I'm looking forward to have you on my show in a 1416 01:51:57.720 --> 01:52:03.720 couple of months here and then I'll be definitely sourcing this conversation and bringing up 1417 01:52:03.760 --> 01:52:09.119 some more questions. So yeah, absolutely, this has been a blast. 1418 01:52:09.319 --> 01:52:14.960 You have been just a fantastic special guest. I know everybody at home listening 1419 01:52:15.119 --> 01:52:18.920 absolutely loved this. Please tell them where they can support you in your work. 1420 01:52:19.000 --> 01:52:25.720 Ruben. So, I have my show Interview with ED, which stands 1421 01:52:25.760 --> 01:52:30.479 for Extra Dimensionals Interview with Ed. One word dot org is my website. 1422 01:52:30.880 --> 01:52:35.039 I have a TV show that's been on Gaya, It's now on TWOB where 1423 01:52:35.079 --> 01:52:40.279 I interview these channelers, these people that go into an altered state and these 1424 01:52:40.279 --> 01:52:43.039 beans come through and I ask them all kinds of questions. It's lots of 1425 01:52:43.079 --> 01:52:50.039 fun and and experiencers as well. And I have a new membership portal where 1426 01:52:50.079 --> 01:52:55.840 people can pop in every week and sort of be part of the conversation. 1427 01:52:56.640 --> 01:53:01.159 And that's all access through my website, interview with it dot org. And 1428 01:53:01.439 --> 01:53:06.439 super excited just to keep keep going down the rabbit hole and talk to folks 1429 01:53:06.479 --> 01:53:11.680 like yourself who've been deep down the rabbit hole as I have, and and 1430 01:53:11.800 --> 01:53:15.880 even further in many cases. So so yeah, come come hang out with 1431 01:53:15.960 --> 01:53:19.640 us. We're it's a group, it's no secrets. We're an open book, 1432 01:53:20.439 --> 01:53:25.520 you know. I I never I meant to ask you what you thought 1433 01:53:25.560 --> 01:53:28.720 about like our documentary that had just come out the History Channel one. So 1434 01:53:28.720 --> 01:53:31.600 maybe we can up for when I hop on your program. Absolutely, yeah, 1435 01:53:31.680 --> 01:53:34.720 great, great work, and I hear there's more in the works. 1436 01:53:35.079 --> 01:53:45.920 Yeah maybe. But yeah, so we we have a little silly exit ritual 1437 01:53:45.960 --> 01:53:48.159 on our show. I honestly don't know why we. I don't even know 1438 01:53:48.199 --> 01:53:53.000 when this started, but we for some reason, UH like to chant by 1439 01:53:53.119 --> 01:53:57.800 guys at the same time. So already repeated. Well, I mean I'm 1440 01:53:57.840 --> 01:54:00.079 just thinking all three of us and one you know, all right read three 1441 01:54:00.159 --> 01:54:09.600 two one, bye Guysy weird things happen in the backyard Blessoe House and see 1442 01:54:09.600 --> 01:54:20.680 it over Faci. Look up. It's so weird coming closer to us, 1443 01:54:20.680 --> 01:54:28.960 closer I hear, stay straight up like smiling on the inside of it. 1444 01:54:30.640 --> 01:54:42.640 No one knows mad, Wow, it's come h I ever talk, are 1445 01:54:42.720 --> 01:55:17.439 got sad dat happening the nature? Any nation? Ha,