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It's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with
Jack and carn s e O and JP

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Sorrow who's a lapsed fan in all
my years and wrist plan you never seen

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anything. And it's the laps fan
man, not the one in the ring

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to get about Osado. He the
real king of swing with the bell goes

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egg and the kick like me.
It's in the corner with its rash like

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stick. Even Jerry King can take
off the crowd nodded in his head like

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his tee Low Brown would just getting
low down, got even high up,

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flipp you on your head. But
you know coul tribal spiting mow and dragon

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spits fire. If you more shot
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than the con of sniper. Bless
you with a coconut, Roddy Piper checking

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JP he a jat d drop the
cupcakes and golden the brain. Bob means

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the best podcast first start to close, flop you all been a fit his

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classic and polls were rocking and rolling
to nineteen ninety five. Boss Any thoughts

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on Hogan versus Vader For Christ's sakes, Oh my god, I'm kidding,

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that's like the fucking It's It's probably
the match when when Hogan first announced that

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he was going to WCW, that's
the match people thought of. At least

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I did. That was the match
I thought of. I was like,

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this is it, Like, that's
that's the money match right there, that's

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the that's about as Hogan andre As
you can get. Think about that before

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Hogan Flair. I mean, obviously
Hogan Flair was the obvious one, but

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it was it was like right there, like uh, when he came in,

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it was like, obviously he's going
after Flair, but at some point

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it's going to be he in Vader, Yes, and it's going to be

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it's going to be awesome. I
still think, and I think I thought

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then too, that it should have
been at starkad absolutely ninety four, you

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know, instead of that fucking beefcake
barber match. Well, that was such

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a marker of how Hogan was going
to conduct business in WCW. You know

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that once he got the belt and
booked his first starcade, he didn't go

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for the money match. He went
for making his buddy, you know,

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right, and sort of forcing that
to be a main event. And of

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course we've covered Stark ninety four and
the Star Kad Memorial Tour, and we've

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covered Uncensored nineteen ninety five, which
takes place after this. Of course Hogan

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Invader in the Strap match. But
this this where Flare gets pinned, where

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Flair gets pinned in drag, right, yes, yes he does. I

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think I think as opposed to Flair
getting pinned in drag, I think I

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would have preferred someone getting dragged to
all four corners. And that's absolutely that's

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not what we got. And so
it's it's his nineteen ninety five WCWS had

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get Super Bowl five February Baltimore Arena, Hogan versus Vader for the very first

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time. This is very original old
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LJN. M mm hmm. This
is very like just before Nitro. I

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mean it is literally just before Nitro
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but it's true, just the on
WII of WCW, you know, feeling

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their way around, starting to get
a little more leaning in a little more

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to the marketing and licensing, leaning
a little more into multiple pay per views.

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This is the first uncentered coming up
in nineteen ninety five, and they

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would expand their pay per view schedule
considerably, causing the WWF to do much

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the same within your house Later,
nineteen ninety five is a fascinating year,

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and Hogan having just beat Flair at
Bash of the Beach the prior summer,

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we're tired of it. Halloween Havoc, like you said, face the butcher

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ed Leslie at Starkad and then right
after that, and it's in the memorial

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tour archives, Vader barges in on
a celebratory Hulkegan, doesn't he with Jim

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Barnett in the background, Oh my
god, that's right, trying to hold

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it all together. The senior consultant, Ah, I fucking love that.

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That made me so happy, and
he barks at him, and man,

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I don't know, did you see
sar k ninety four or hear about it?

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Did you see or confront Hulk Cogan
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that I did not? I just
from I just know that afterwards. I

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it was it was funny. I
think I said this when we either when

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we did Star Kate or when we
did Halloween Havoc ninety four, that there

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was even though even though I got
the the Hogan, you know, I

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was really excited about the Hogan Flair
cage match like that to me was you

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know, again, it's the only
ww pay per view that I ever bought.

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But but after it was revealed to
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I kind of regretted not waiting till
Stark. Yeah. Absolutely, I'm be

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the only one. But I regretted. I was like, oh my god,

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because I was, you know,
being a fan from ninety two in

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ninety one, ninety two one,
and knowing that that that history with you

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know, with the that they that
they that they talked about it at Saturday

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Night's main event in ninety two February
of nine to where you know it was

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it was after the boating accident.
It was hul Cogan who was pumping blood

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into the veins of Brutus Beefcake.
To me, that was like holy shit,

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you know, how do you turn
on your guy? You know and

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all that? So that was,
uh, that was that was I remember.

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Yeah, it was like being real, like fuck all that was left

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in starka instead? Yeah, well, I mean that was you know,

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if you cared about those two in
their tag team, yeah, all that

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was left of that heat around Brutus's
facial reconstruction. Was Kevin Sullivan using his

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Brutus's face on this show to smash
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and sex? What a dumb fucking
moment. It wasn't a pretty match.

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No, well, I mean,
come on it. When you're getting Kevin

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and Evad, it's not going to
be pretty. And to say nothing of

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dug In mixing it up at a
snail's pace with the bunk house Buck.

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How about Avalanche? How about Yeah, well Avalanche saw the show, but

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I thought you did. Just find
I was thinking of a Blacktop Bully and

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Dustin Rhodes. Oh god, this
is not a great show. It's not

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a great show. And I actually
wrote something down. I think it was

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during let me say, I can
find it here. It was during the

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I think it was during the tag. No, no, it was during

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the Blacktop Bully, the Blacktop bullshit
match, and I wrote that. I

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said, this is what I wrote. I wrote the magic of wrestling and

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why it used to be better lies
within this match. Wow, Okay,

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even though this match is dreadful,
I would still be invested in who was

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going to win, and I would
still watch TV the following we just see

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what was going to happen next between
the Blacktop Bully and Dustin Rhoads. Yep,

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Well what would happen next would be
the truck match after which is we'll

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talk about They were summarily fired for
getting color. The last thing WW could

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four back then was to have colorful
television. Yes, but vaderique, I'm

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surprised their TV wasn't in black and
white. Well, it depends. I

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mean they were cutting costs and they
were only they weren't doing live events,

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they were just doing the TV tapings. This is still that era, the

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very end of that era, where
like they taped weeks of TV that was

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going to air after the pay per
view. Ah, So, like any

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word that came out about what they
taped at the show totally gave away finishes,

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title changes. You know, people
already knew the Slambury Hall of Fame

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class because it was announced at the
tapings, those kinds of things. But

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Vader is a unique faue for hull
Cogain. I mean, we're Hulka maniacs.

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We were accustomed to the formula.
We know what they look for in

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terms of characteristics of a foe.
To come looming over the Hulster into challenge

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and threaten him. And certainly Vader
has the size box check does it regards

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your typical Hogan foe. But this
is different. This is this is like

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Sid ninety two plus ten in that
yes, right, yes, it's not

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just that it's a cooler heel than
Hogan is a cool face, but it's

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also a guy who can just do
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than anybody Hogan had really faced in
a main event pay per view program before.

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He's a legit threat, like he
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Hogan. And and that's what I
also think made it so exciting was that

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Vader was such a beast, he
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that it was it definitely it was. I don't remember if I felt like

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that because I wasn't you know,
I was. I was half invested with

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OSW who still at the time,
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But I don't know if if it
felt the exact same as as I mean,

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Sid was scary to me as an
eleven year old. Sid was scary.

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Sid was somebody who I thought was
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you know, and it was it
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Whereas the worst the other heels could
do was like seriously injure him by

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like breaking his rights, by sitting
on him or something. Right. It

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wasn't like they would like strangle him
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like choke slams and power bombs.
Those were unique moves to me.

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And of course they was talking about
the threat of hull Camania. Right.

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So many people came after Hulkamania in
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the idea of Hulkamania. Yes,
yes, in this case, in this

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Vader match super Bowl five, I
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was going up against because the fans, you know, they did or they

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had to do. With the Flair
program. Flair did the honors, you

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know, put the strap on Hogan. You know, if we're going to

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pay all this money for this guy, we might as well, you know,

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position him as strongly as possible and
see where we can take this thing.

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And you know, Flare's fine,
he's Teflon. He can lose to

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Hogan one hundred times. It doesn't
matter. But Vader's different. Vader's a

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guy who, like the fans are
like, yes, if anybody is going

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to go that extra mile to spit
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Hulk Canane, Yes, we'd grown
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and we hear it in the crowd
here in Baltimore. Sure it's Vader,

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because Vader's Vader's much more, no
bullshit. He's somebody that, yep,

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you just you can believe, won't
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even though he kind of tried to
fit him into that box, did Hogan.

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Vader never really, never really was
eaten alive by Hogan like Hogan wants,

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like Hogan desires, right and definitely
not on this show. As the

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match ends in a deeply dissatisfying disqualification
for reasons of course we'll get into.

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But I don't know. Vader,
to me was was a deeper menace.

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And it turns out behind the scenes
somebody that Hogan Shock Shock was rather concerned

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about. Brother. I mean,
what's this guy going to do out there?

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He's got bodies in his wake.
Dude, he's hurt. I mean,

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were talking about what do we Leon? I'm just you know, Leon

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brother, Can we kind of dial
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Can we just kind of I mean, we're walking around the building all day

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trying to find you, dude,
I'm trying to figure out where you are,

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and I'm like, you know where
is you know? Where's Leon White?

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Where's Big Van Vader? Do you
know? Like I can't find the

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guy? How are we supposed to
you know, talk things over? Can

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I get on the same page,
kind of get all this thing back on

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track to get to you that to
get to that place where we can we

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can communicate? Dude? How are
you supposed to work out a finish that

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I can then show up to the
building on pay per view night an hour

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beforehand and say I don't want to
do it anymore and give you no time

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to do anything but what I want
to do on That's my kind of body

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Hold Cord, I'm gonna be cho
it. Hold Gold, I'm gonna I'm

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gonna come down here. I'm gonna
eat you alive. I realized too.

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He goes, yeah, yeah,
yeah, Leon White, Sover Brover bra

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you got it. In case you
forgot the name of the pay per view,

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and it's also a weird ass time
because Flair is still kind of booking,

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though Kevin Sullivan really seems to be
pulling most of the weight. There's

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kind of a committee, but nobody
really has power besides Fla, and Flair

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is kind of growing disinterested. He's
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He you know, sits in the
crowd or in the main event, plays

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a role in the storyline, but
he's still supposed to be retired and they

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haven't figured out a way out of
that yet. And Harley race As will

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talk about Vader's longtime manager who also
played an important role backstage in terms of

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calming Vader down when he didn't like
a booking proposal, or didn't like a

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finish, or was you know,
inclined to go too far in the ring.

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Harley was a guy that Vader would
actually listen to and could sort of

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crack whip on, and you know, as a conduit from Flair through Harley

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to Vader, it was perhaps a
little easier to get Leon to color within

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the line, so to speak.
He's gone because he gets in a very

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bad car accident, is Harley race
and so his absence is very much notable.

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Is he gone for good at this
point? Is this is so it

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that, as he talks about in
his book, people started to do the

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Harley Race's dead stuff and oh my
god, four or five different scenarios he

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heard over his life about how he's
actually dead. That's how deep into the

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the background. He receded after this
we because it was weird, because because

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he's he's in like, he's all
over the place in terms of the advertising

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and everything, you know, the
advertising and even in the opening package and

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stuff like that, and then he
just kind of no shows. Yeah,

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they did a clash with the Champions
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reference to in January of that year, and Vader in fact comes out for

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an interview on that show with Gene
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him as Vader with Harley Race,
and then Harley doesn't walk out, and

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Vader doesn't really address why Harley's missing. I think that or maybe it's ninety

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six, that's the one I don't
remember. Maybe I can't recall if it's

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the ninety five one or the ninety
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Savage elbows Hulkogan to wake him up. I don't think it's that one because

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now that the January clashes him and
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could be, it could be that
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the elbum will wake him up.
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because Hogan's completely out and he won't, he won't wake up. And so

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Savage says, fuck it up,
m and he goes up top and he

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drops the elbow, and that makes
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Savage just showed up in November of
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his first WCW pay per view match, so yeah, grapple with that.

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He also appears in Start ninety four. Also, can we talk about Sting

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and Rainey Savage as a tag team. Yeah, what a fucking exciting idea.

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Can you imagine that? I never
really ever considered tag team. They

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said title run Man seriously so awesome. They were such great, like they

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really gelled together so wild. Last
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thousand and eight, talking about in
reflecting on Rick Flair's retirement, here we

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are Sting after his retirement and yeah, right, getting to taste what it

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was people will miss about the guy. And you know, Sting was undeniable

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and that while Hogan brought in all
of his friends and sort of like remixed

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the whole idea of what w c
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still had to have a seat at
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just maybe somebody. I don't think
they wanted to push down, but even

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if they wanted to, he still
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Savage and the rest. But it's
that time at WCW. You know,

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it's now becoming clear after a few
months that Hogan is going to essentially

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book WCW in terms of deciding what
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like. I mean, certainly other
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it's pretty much that's the method going
forward. He's got twenty five percent of

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the pay per view revenue. They're
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which was a great move, as
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aw's doing the same thing right now
where they started with two and then four

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pay per views, and everyone's like, oh, it's so great to have

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so much build between shows, and
then inevitably they add and add an ad

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because people will buy them no matter
what, and the buys don't go down

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and you just make more money.
And so ww desperately needed that money and

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had a drawn hol Cogan that could
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looking year over year comparisons. I
mean, we'll talk about it later,

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but super Brawl ninety four to Super
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and you got a Vader who's cranky
because, as we've talked about before

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in the Uncensored Show and we'll talk
about here again today, definitely thought and

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was led to believe that he was
going to get the world title back after

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dropping it to Ric Flair at Star
Kate nineteen ninety three, right, and

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that ended up not happening, as
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was still sort of booking when Flair
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it from Vader versus Sid at Stark
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sudden, that sort of promised return
of the championship to Vader never happened,

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and then Hogan comes in and he's
led to believe that there might be some

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business to do here and then finds
out the way everybody does that. You

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know, Hulk's going over. It's
very simple. I mean, I know

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there was no way around it,
but man, I think, I think,

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to really to really make Vader look
like a fucking absolute unstoppable monster,

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he should have beaten Hogan in this
match. There's absolutely no debating that that

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was the right move. Everyone knows
it's the right move, you know,

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And then they could have could have
Hogan to agree to. So you you

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latch onto all the explanations of why
that it might not have been the greatest

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idea, but you know in your
heart it was the move. On this

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night, just watching it and just
watching how it was all going about the

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way the way that that Vader was
no selling Hogan, like the fact that

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he kicked out of the leg drop
at one, that's massive, massive,

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massive, And you know, there's
been a lot of like, including from

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Vader's own lips, like mythologizing about
how Hogan turned around and got right up

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from the power bomb later and how
that was almost like double he did the

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same thing at the clash the month
before. I don't know why anyone's ever

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I never fact checked Vader. He
didn't. Also, he didn't. It

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was a it was a it was
a splash. He didn't. He he

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killed him with the with the with
the power bomb and he laid there for

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a while. Oh yeahsolutely he no
soul of the splash right right, which

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I guess is is him saying,
is Vader saying he didn't expect that piece

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of it? But I'm sure in
Hogan's mind, if you kick out at

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one in the leg drop, I
mean, no one's ever done that.

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Brother. So I've given you more
than enough to be able to come back,

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giving you all hulk mania, dude, right, I mean, I

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just want you to know Leon,
tonight, I'm going to give you a

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hull cale mania and the silver platter. Brother. The power he points to

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his palm, brother, the power
right right here, dude, you see

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you see the power? Brother?
I don't see the power that's right here?

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Brother? Where is the fucking pow
colin? Oh? Sit o fucking

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power? All right? Well,
can we get someone else to change the

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fuse box? Please? Oh?
I'm telling you I'm gonna write my hand,

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brother, I said, all you
need right here. Do you got

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the power? Brother? Give the
fucking power. He was He was unleashed.

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He was unleashed, was Vader back
then? But a fascinating show in

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a lot of ways. And I
mean Hogan versus Vader for the first time,

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it's just something we need to crack
open. But yeah, Vader beat

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him for the title. Like,
people don't shit on hul Cogan in nineteen

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ninety five anywhere near the degree they
ended up doing. No, No,

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you know, Hogan coming back against
Vader like would have been that there's your

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ninety five right there, and people
would have wanted to see him do it.

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You know, people would have I
think, kind of respected that he

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came in WCW and let somebody that
you know, was a homesteaded badass main

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eventor before he got here, uh, you know, to retain some of

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that credibility. Because I think too, if they did a whole if they

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did a whole angle where you know, he pins him clean and and and

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he again Flair comes in and beats
the crap out of him, you know,

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they could have gone he could have
taken a couple of months off,

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you know, taken a couple of
months off and gone and gone away,

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uh to sell the the injury like
he does, and all these things then

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come back at like in like late
spring, and they could have set up

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that cage match you know at Bashed
the Beach, and that's where he could

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have won it back. I do
wonder if part of the calculus was that,

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well that makes sense. You know, they're ramping up pay per views

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for the first time, and they're
gonna have one in March, and you

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gotta have Hogan on a pay per
view. You know. The whole reason

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they're ramping it up is because we
have it, or you could do it,

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or you could do this too.
You could you could have him,

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have have him went super brawl and
then have this uh you know, I

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mean, I know you're not gonna
get listen this this is this is definitely

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in perfect world thinking you're not gonna
get Hogan to lose twice in a row.

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I understand that, but it still
would have been great. Maybe he

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doesn't injure him at that, but
he injured him at that fucking uncensored this

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new you know, you know they
have this because I don't think even even

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the remat at the The uncensored match
wasn't for the title, I don't think,

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right, because it was a quote
unquote un sanctioned about Yeah, they

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were all unsanctioned. That was the
whole thing. Yeah, right, is

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that even though there it's a w
CW pay per view, it's all unsanctioned.

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Yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't
for the belt, so you know

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it would have been, it wouldn't
have mattered anyway you could have had.

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So Hogan loses the belt at super
Bowl, he wants revenge right away,

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and you think he's gonna get it, but he doesn't. Vader beats him

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again, and this time Vader Flair
all them they fucking gang up on him

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and and in Germany's gone from then
you can go away because the next one

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is Slambury yep, you know,
and then he could make his you know,

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triumphant return it like the Great American
Bash, and then they have their

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uh their their mash at Bash of
the Beach with the little been a huge

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number, yeah, I mean,
this was a big enough number as it

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was. This was the first uh
ten thousand plus paid WCW show since funk

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Flair in eighty nine. Think about
that. Wow. As they returned to

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where Funk and Flair did it.
Baltimore here at the Baltimore Arena always a

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rock solid city for w CW and
Crocket, And part of the part of

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the lore of that city is some
as a market willing to support the number

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two is something that started as a
WWF city. So we're gonna get into

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all that. We're gonna taste it, we're gonna feel it. We're going

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to put ourselves where we need to
be with our you know, original san

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Fran Hogan and Flair busting each other
up. I played this one often.

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Hogan of course, had the bandana
and the shirt that didn't come off,

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and Vader was like a rock in
your hand. Yes, with his two

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fists perfect for Ada EIGHTA in the
corner. Yep. All for God's sake,

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he fucking laid out those potatoes.
Yes, and then the match started

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right exactly. That's how that's how
he that's how we eat the potatoes,

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the Taito tita, I mean,
any any other accurate things you want to

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re enact. He h and he's
on the charge too, I mean when

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he when he and when he's done
eating, he does that kind of like

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that little uh, that little kind
of squatted hop thing that he does around.

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You know, that's his happy face, has happy dance when he's done

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eating. I mean, this is
the show where like our whole thing of

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Vader, you know, coming down
on a SnowCat and busting into a white

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castle and eating all the inventory that
this is the body language we're talking about

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the way he rampages around the Baltimore
He's like jumping onto limousines in the parking

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lot. He's attacking Jabbroni's on the
pre show. He's just he's just wandering

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hallways. You know, we hear
about it. The announcers talk about how

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he's wandering hallways back there. It's
all it's all the idea of Vader,

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you know, scrounging for sustenance,
scrounging for calories. Yeah, because you

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know that's the thing. This is, this is what Harley Race has done.

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He he he says, you know
what he says, Vader Vader big

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day of the match. You can't
eat the damn food. You can't eat

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anything in the morning, can't eat
anything until the pay per view is over.

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None of that catering tops that's the
whole ball game. Eat after the

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match, eat after the show,
not before the show, from when you

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wake up until you until the end
of the show, you're not eating a

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damn thing. I want you hungry. I want you hungry. I want

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you wanting to kill people in the
ring. Imagine me, imagine Vader rolling

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into a Denny's, like, shut
it down, guys, like this is

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going to be a long process.
He rolls into the first, first restaurant,

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and and and and you know,
he goes up to the he goes

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up to the the what do you
call it that? Who's the person you

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meet at the hostess, the hostess
and the host hand and just like smashes

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it with his hands. Dinnifood dinner
phone up, fucking hog d It's the

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second hostess he walked up to and
smashed with his hand that day. Actually,

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I believe the first one he smashed
with his mouth, but that's a

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story that was filled with cream.
It's right, So let's wat a time.

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I'm fucking ugright, hobody you we're
gonna see if he eats here at

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Super Brawl five. So let's acquaint
ourselves, of course, among the cast

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of characters that followed Hogan and WW
was gene Oquoland and they imported the event

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center concept to WCW, and they
were doing something like that before with Gordon

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Soli and stuff. But here is
a gen Ocalan event center for super Brawl

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five featuring Hulk Hogan promo. Let
this sort of give us a sense,

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give us that backdrop, that that
sound of what Hogan in the dawn of

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nineteen ninety five sounded like. In
WCW, this is hit gene Okerland fact

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at the WCW super Brawl Control Center. Super Brawl comes your way alive from

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one of the great wrestling cities of
North America, one of the great wrestling

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cities of the world, Baltimore,
Maryland, and the beautiful Baltimore Arena that

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eight Sunday, February of the nineteenth
at seven o'clock Eastern times. Fans are

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going to be coming in from neighboring
New York, Philadelphia, Washington, d

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C. And of course from Baltimore, especially our core fans who have always

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dreamed of the Hulkgan Vader meeting for
the WCW Heavyweight title. Remember that injunction

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that stayed at Hogan in the four
hundred and fifty two pound Vader could not

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see each other after what happened at
Starcade, Then came last Wednesday in Las

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Vegas, and again blatant interference by
Vader, one of the most exciting single

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matches this sport has ever seen.
Holt, Cogan and Vader at Super Brawl

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five standing by right now. Let's
hear from the rainey t me way check

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into the world, Old Covid yous
after what happens to class man, These

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grouns are crazy. You don't need
to pty more fuel on the fire.

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Look at Rick Brow think he's up
to something. Man, he was at

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Caesar Palace sitting in the ringside.
Man, Well you know something, Jimmy

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Hart, after what went down a
couple of days ago with the clash,

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there's more than the w CW title
that the maniacs and all the people have

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to worry about. Brother, You
know, Fader time is approach, yest

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dudes, And you gotta realize when
you talk about the atmy of what wrestling's

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all about, that it's the greatest
wrestler of all time. It was the

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greatest w c WV of all times. Old Cogan, Ess Vader, with

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all of this mean, nasty,
dangerous analystics and all his credibility has got

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to be the Cootie Graw Wrestling is
all about. Brother got the w c

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00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:59.160
W title. Here's a mere tricking
as far as parties go. The fact

403
00:27:59.519 --> 00:28:04.000
that we're for the future, the
real new generation of hulk Amniacs, the

404
00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:08.000
real new generations dug a fall all
lead or the trade and the prayer of

405
00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:12.240
the Vidains in the Hulk Hogan credo. That's what we're fighting for. Brother

406
00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:18.559
and Jimmy Hart. Make sure all
the details are in check when you get

407
00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:22.440
the pen in hand, as it's
signed, sealed and delivered. Make sure

408
00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:26.480
Harley races in check, and this
thing is left just between me and Vader.

409
00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:32.240
Brother. Because of the rulers of
Rick Flair, the rumors that he's

410
00:28:32.279 --> 00:28:37.240
hanging out of ringside, I just
don't know what he's up to. I

411
00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:41.000
don't know if there's no lines between
him and Vader. But however it goes

412
00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:45.599
holk Aniacs, you can best believe
the Pythons won't be ready. The Hulk

413
00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:48.880
a Maniacs at ringside and all around
the world are going to be ready.

414
00:28:49.319 --> 00:28:53.279
Invader. Once I focus on you, Brother, once I put you in

415
00:28:53.319 --> 00:28:57.519
a once position. Once I drop
you on your head? What are you

416
00:28:57.640 --> 00:29:03.640
gonna do when the art just arms
in the world? Are you Wow?

417
00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:07.960
What a match up that's gonna be
wc W Heavyweight champion Hull Cogan to defend

418
00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:12.400
against the four one hundred and fifty
two pound number one contender and challenger Vader.

419
00:29:12.440 --> 00:29:17.680
Invader's corner is long time, manage
your former seven times n W A

420
00:29:17.799 --> 00:29:27.960
champion, party race, Kang Swang
Hang wng Wang Wanging, the real new

421
00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:34.039
Generation, that's fucking money. Thoughts
on the promo, Uh, it just

422
00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:41.119
sounds weird. I don't know,
it's it's you know, Hogan Promo's kind

423
00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:47.279
of post flair. Hogan promo seemed
lost to me. He doesn't seem on

424
00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:49.279
on point. Yeah, it sounds
like he's trying to say things he doesn't

425
00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:53.160
want to explicitly say. Like he's
making a lot of references to like physical

426
00:29:53.160 --> 00:29:57.039
credibility. He's like, right,
it's like trying to say shoot things through

427
00:29:57.039 --> 00:30:00.200
the lens of like his Carni talk, and it's like half the time what

428
00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:06.200
he says is like impenetrable, right, I feel like, but he's trying

429
00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:07.839
to say that Vader is a unique
threat Vader, somebody that you know,

430
00:30:08.480 --> 00:30:12.599
is supposed to be somebody that I'm
too cheesy to overcome. But when I

431
00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:18.720
put him in my fucking pile of
victims like the rest, it's gonna be

432
00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:22.440
an accelerant for for health media.
And look, Jimmy Hart such a negative

433
00:30:23.119 --> 00:30:26.000
with Hogan, like such a negative
it really is. It makes them look

434
00:30:26.079 --> 00:30:30.039
like such a tool that he needs
this manager guy hopping around like what kind

435
00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:33.960
of baby face superhero needs a guy
behind him in an airbrush jacket holding his

436
00:30:34.039 --> 00:30:37.559
title and waiting a Megan. It
was. It was a unique thing in

437
00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:42.319
WWE because the whole story there,
but you know, coming into ww it

438
00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:45.920
just didn't work. No, you
know, it didn't work. It makes

439
00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:48.759
it look like a prima donna frankly
that he comes to the ring with like

440
00:30:49.000 --> 00:30:52.839
a handler, you know, or
a guy who it's like, what's he

441
00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:56.440
doing? Like why is he out
here? First of all, a guy

442
00:30:56.440 --> 00:31:00.880
who is by far his most successful
work was his heal manager, So it's

443
00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:02.880
like he's not even some of the
fans are inclined to didn't give a shit

444
00:31:02.920 --> 00:31:06.279
about if he's playing a baby face
and I know he was his real consigliary

445
00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:08.200
in real life and minding the ps
and ques and kind of like Hogan's business

446
00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:11.640
manager behind the scenes. But absolutely
no reason for Jimmy Hart to be out

447
00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:14.440
there with him. And you know, it's all the set up the heel

448
00:31:14.440 --> 00:31:15.759
turnhere he joins with Kevin Sullivan and
the Dungeon to doom, and I get

449
00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:19.160
that with Hogan, like whenever he
has an alliance on screen, it's always

450
00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:21.880
like, you know, so they
can turn on him eventually and he can

451
00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:26.119
do another year of business, of
course, but but it's just just bizarre.

452
00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:30.359
So we're locked in and this is
going to be folks. Uh,

453
00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:33.519
this is going to be like the
last one for a little while because we're

454
00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:37.640
locked in on Philly. Philly's coming
strong. Oh yes, you know,

455
00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:41.039
we've got to deliver from members of
the Solar System. We're gonna be with

456
00:31:41.119 --> 00:31:45.480
us. April seventh, high noon, Sunday Punchline. Philly is the club

457
00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:49.079
in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania is part of
WrestleMania Weekend. Cannot believe boss the contingent

458
00:31:49.480 --> 00:31:55.680
that we expect in Philly. I'm
I'm I'm very excited. I'm very very

459
00:31:55.720 --> 00:32:00.000
excited. It's uh, it's going
to be It's going to be crazy.

460
00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:04.480
It's gonna be Seriously, if if
last year was crazy, this is gonna

461
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:08.160
be off the fucking hook. There's
like little pockets of lapsed fans that we

462
00:32:08.359 --> 00:32:12.160
you know, know and have hung
out with and have dealt with, and

463
00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:15.640
they're always sort of like in their
own silos. This is this is like

464
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:22.559
every single every single little group that
I've heard of of lapsed fans coalescing into,

465
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:24.039
like you know, their smaller discussion
groups. We heard from Gabe,

466
00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:27.519
you know, yes, we did
last time when we talked about the whole

467
00:32:27.519 --> 00:32:30.960
ball game and and the and the
sort of smaller subdivision of the solar system

468
00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:35.480
that they that they created and found. There's like six of them that are

469
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:39.039
going to like megapowers colliding mm hmmm
hmm. And I can't wait to see

470
00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:43.279
it all play out. It's gonna
be fucking that's going to be unreal.

471
00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:45.039
And you know the sick lineup of
stand up comics they're going to be joining

472
00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:50.440
us, including Lamar Lee, high
Level Guy, hilarious dude. We shared

473
00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:52.960
an interview we did with him just
last week on the Feed. He's going

474
00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:55.000
to be joining us on stage.
Of course, Ray Goots are partnering crime

475
00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:59.000
putting this together, is going to
join us on stage. Dave Pintowski from

476
00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:02.079
the ringside Colleptical Electable's Family is going
to be there really excited about all of

477
00:33:02.119 --> 00:33:07.160
the folks that are going to be
joining us to review what happens when the

478
00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:09.839
Rocky steps back into the ring to
team of the Roman reigns. I mean,

479
00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:13.680
this is lab serendipity. I remember
thinking like, yeah, it's perfect

480
00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:15.279
to have a Sunday afternoon show instead
of a Sunday after But one thing it

481
00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:19.519
does deprive us of is the opportunity
to sort of really digest two nights of

482
00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:22.400
Mania and digest Rock versus Roman,
because when I was thinking about the show,

483
00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:25.400
that's my main event in my head
yeap of course, and thinking like,

484
00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:28.640
oh, we're not gonna be able, but really, the way it's

485
00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:31.880
playing out, we're going to get
to talk about rock wrestling one more time

486
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:37.640
because that's just a Saturday night thing. Is that guaranteed? Yes? So

487
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:42.480
the stipulations now sit that if a
Rock and Roman beats Seth and Cody,

488
00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:46.640
then Cody never gets another shot again. And it's bloodlined rules that is to

489
00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:52.920
say, notice qualification essentially and they
can interfere to their heart's desire. However,

490
00:33:52.599 --> 00:33:57.440
if Cody and Seth win, there
will be no outside interference and it'll

491
00:33:57.440 --> 00:34:01.160
be Cody and Roman clean on night
two. Wow, So we're gonna have

492
00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:04.400
a strong idea of how they deliver
on that. It's pretty clear to me

493
00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:08.880
Rock turns on Roman. If not
night one, he maybe he loses Night

494
00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:15.119
one and then comes around and stops
the bloodline from interfering in night two and

495
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:19.159
we go in that direction. I
would lobby for Roman to turn on Rock

496
00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:21.639
before Rock and fucking around, just
turn around and spear him for taking all

497
00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:25.280
the spotlight and kind of less walking
in on his fucking legacy defining it.

498
00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:29.159
And it would be good because he's
talking about too, he's talking about what

499
00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:30.800
he I just watched one of the
pro I just I don't know when it

500
00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:36.960
was, but I just watched this
promo him singing a song, the Rock

501
00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:39.840
singing a song. I what a
surprise, Holy shit. I just I

502
00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:45.519
just stumbled on on on on Instagram
this evening and I just died. It

503
00:34:45.559 --> 00:34:51.800
was so fucking funny. And uh
uh, I was like, he keeps

504
00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:55.400
calling himself what he keeps now he's
calling himself the hottest heel in the business

505
00:34:55.400 --> 00:35:00.880
since the eighties. He's calling himself
a final boss. The that's the final

506
00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:05.639
boss, right, the final Boss. That's what it is, which is

507
00:35:05.800 --> 00:35:08.920
crazy fuck all the time on Instagram. Yeah, exactly, it's it's feeling

508
00:35:09.079 --> 00:35:13.039
different, hey, because you know
why, because he's uh, he's the

509
00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:15.559
board of director. He's the director
of the board. If the Rock says

510
00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:17.119
wrestling is cool again, does that
make it true? I guess we're about

511
00:35:17.159 --> 00:35:20.719
to find out. Yeah, I
guess, Hot Night, Hot Weekend,

512
00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:24.400
Wrestlmania. Forty your co chairs on
the ground to deliver the unscathing perspective that

513
00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:29.920
lapsed fans deserve what is known as
the unvarnished truth. No sacred cows,

514
00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:32.920
no bullshit, no allegiance, no
interest in being friends with anyone in the

515
00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:38.719
industry, only interested in delivering for
our people who suffer the same ailment of

516
00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:42.760
lifelong wrestling fandom. We do,
yes, and if we're all going to

517
00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:45.039
be stuck on this boat together,
we might as well enjoy the ride and

518
00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:49.559
work and work to keep the surf
on the other side of the of the

519
00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:54.920
starboard. And so Punchline Philly the
Venue, April seventh, noontime the time

520
00:35:55.199 --> 00:36:00.119
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, the co chairs
back on stage for the only WrestleMania preview

521
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:05.239
and review show you need, and
of course, only the true premium line

522
00:36:05.239 --> 00:36:08.119
of live event, absolutely weekend.
And if you think our friends in stand

523
00:36:08.199 --> 00:36:10.960
up comedy are the only ones that
are going to be joining us here,

524
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:15.199
you're totally wrong, because there's a
rogues gallery of lapsed characters that I haven't

525
00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:19.440
on good authority going to be in
attendance as well. I've been told that

526
00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:22.719
they might be making an appearance,
and again, don't miss out on this

527
00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:27.599
because the window will close eventually.
We are raffling off and authentic Terry Funk

528
00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:32.039
branding iron to one attendee at Punchline
Philly. If you buy your ticket at

529
00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:37.199
Punchline Philly and send us proof of
purchase to the Lapsed Fan at gmail dot

530
00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:40.360
com, you get two entries in
the raffle. For one of the premium

531
00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:44.880
tickets the preferred seating, you will
get one for a general admission. We'll

532
00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:46.719
draw the winner. And you know, we got that branding iron from the

533
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:51.480
Terry Funk estate sale as part of
the Lapsed Funk Thrilled to see a video

534
00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:52.880
sent to us on Twitter by a
member of the Solar System. Turns out,

535
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:57.000
in twenty twenty, Terry Funk stood
in his kitchen boss and did a

536
00:36:57.000 --> 00:37:00.679
whole little speech about what this branding
iron is. Wow, And I could

537
00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:04.360
tell by the unique grooves of it
that is the exact one we came into

538
00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:07.679
possession of. That's crazy. He
was quick to point out in the video

539
00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:09.199
that this wasn't the one with like
two crosses on it that he used in

540
00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:13.960
WCW and some of the more you
know, the one you see when you

541
00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:16.440
first google like Terry Funk branding iron, you see him holding in promotional photos.

542
00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:20.679
But it's definitely one that he used
extensively, pretty sure. And each

543
00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:23.320
W and the second w W run
in two thousand definitely like Major League Wrestling

544
00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:28.199
and stuff. Just a fascinating one
of a kind piece. And we're proud

545
00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:32.000
to give one last salute to the
great Terry Funk as we head to Philadelphia,

546
00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:35.880
the city that he carved out so
much of his legacy in, And

547
00:37:36.079 --> 00:37:38.039
don't miss that opportunity because once we
get on the ground and you know,

548
00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:40.679
sort of the pre sale mentality is
behind us, we're not going to be

549
00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:45.440
putting anybody else in play for the
raffles. So tell anybody else you know

550
00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:49.000
that might be interested in this one
of a kind collector's item that there's only

551
00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:51.880
one way to qualify to get it. That's to buy tickets. Send us

552
00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:54.039
proof of purchase the Lapsed Fan at
gmail dot com and join us at Punchline,

553
00:37:54.079 --> 00:37:59.199
Philly, high noon, April seven. Not a fucking joke, not

554
00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:05.000
a fucking game is going to be
high level shit. Oh yeah, And

555
00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:07.199
I can't think of a soul who
won't regret it if they pass on the

556
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:12.400
opportunity to join us. And we
hear you out in the Solar system who

557
00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:15.159
for one reason or another can't make
it to Philly but would love to be

558
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:16.079
there. You be there in spirit. We hear you, we see you.

559
00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:21.599
And I'm just fucking amazed at how
many people are making the trip,

560
00:38:21.679 --> 00:38:24.519
especially when you consider a quotient boss
that aren't even going to WrestleMania. That's

561
00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:30.679
that's always the part that I that
really that really gets me hard. Yes,

562
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:32.599
that's correct, that's the word,
all right, The fact that there

563
00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:38.039
are that many people who are coming
to see us and don't give a shit

564
00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:45.559
about WrestleMania. And I'll buying airline
tickets. It's we're strong on the East

565
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:46.480
coast. There's a lot of driving, which is great, you know,

566
00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:51.000
a lot of driving distance fans.
Yep. But the fact that people are

567
00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:53.440
getting on planes and not going to
WrestleMania always blows my mind. It blew

568
00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:55.920
my mind last year in la it
blows my mind. This year in Philly.

569
00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:01.719
It'll blow my mind going forward.
Absolutely, because the story of TLFX

570
00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:05.639
in ten years of the show has
been you put energy into the atmosphere.

571
00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:08.239
You tell us that what we're doing
is worth it, and we perpetuate it,

572
00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:10.719
and we give it back to tenfold, and then it comes back at

573
00:39:10.760 --> 00:39:15.440
us tenfold and everything grows at It's
a beautiful cycle and no missteps are made

574
00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:21.159
because we only respond to signals that
you send us. You tell us it's

575
00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:22.199
worth it, we go hard,
you tell us it's not worth it,

576
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:27.039
we do something else. Yep.
Very simple, and so we look forward

577
00:39:27.039 --> 00:39:30.679
to seeing everybody April seventh. Please, if you're interested in joining us,

578
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:35.440
just google Punchline Philly. The venue. It's a wonderful venue from all indications

579
00:39:35.480 --> 00:39:40.599
in Philadelphia, very conveniently located,
and join us in Philadelphia, jump to

580
00:39:40.599 --> 00:39:45.079
their event schedule. Scroll down April
seventh, you'll see the lapsed fan bozos,

581
00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:49.320
biceps and bullshit. Yes event,
buy those tickets, send us that

582
00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:53.360
proof of purchase and join us.
It's going to be an unforgettable evening upon

583
00:39:53.400 --> 00:39:59.079
forty years of WrestleMania and more importantly, ten years of the lapsed Fan.

584
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:04.360
I'm fucking right. So we're in
Baltimore, favorable press coverage, or at

585
00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:07.639
least a press that's interested in running
some articles about the wrestling show coming to

586
00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:09.559
town. Of all the papers,
that Baltimore Sun is one that you can

587
00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:13.840
kind of count on to cover wrestling, just somewhat seriously, of course.

588
00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:16.400
And Hull Cogan picked up the phone
and did an interview ahead of Super Brawl

589
00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:21.519
five. Try to get interest moving, ticket sales moving. And I wish

590
00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:23.960
Boss that you would share this article
with the Solar System. February seventeenth,

591
00:40:24.079 --> 00:40:29.880
ninety five, Baltimore Sun. When
you first meet Hull Cogan face to face,

592
00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:37.320
make that face to belly button,
the wow she's short? Yeah right?

593
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:40.079
Seriously, yoh bro, if you
kind of get a little bit lowered,

594
00:40:40.119 --> 00:40:44.599
you to give me exactly where I
want you to. It's in front

595
00:40:44.599 --> 00:40:47.360
of my big python wrote this,
Oh oh oh by Dylan Postel. Okay

596
00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:54.679
um uh, you are tempted to
blurt out to the six foot seven two

597
00:40:55.000 --> 00:41:00.400
and seventy five pound professional wrestler,
oh man, you are hute, and

598
00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:06.159
we do mean huge biceps like ham
hawks, so large that a regular shirt

599
00:41:06.199 --> 00:41:09.920
won't hold them. He wears denim
cutoffs, thighs the size of redwoods.

600
00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:15.199
Everywhere you look at Hulkogan, there's
muscle. Even his eyelids are muscular.

601
00:41:16.840 --> 00:41:21.480
That's not true. They're not,
so I have a problem with it.

602
00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:32.039
Even his fingernails are muscular. This
herculean sized man is affectionately called the Hulkster

603
00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:38.599
by thousands of screaming Hulka maniacs.
But he's just Terry to his wife of

604
00:41:38.679 --> 00:41:45.679
seven years, Linda, and Daddy
to his two children, six year old

605
00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:49.920
Brook and four year old Nicholas.
And that suits the Hulkster just fine.

606
00:41:49.960 --> 00:41:54.480
But he's just fuck you Terry to
his wife of seven At the beginning,

607
00:41:55.119 --> 00:42:00.960
he was also called daddy by Linda
while though it's been a while. Though,

608
00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:05.679
yes, even hulk Hogan has a
sensitive side. The man who once

609
00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:09.119
picked up the five hundred pound seven
feet tall on it brought five thousand pound

610
00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:13.599
dude. Actually you're missing a zero
there. He's twelve feet tall, brother,

611
00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:16.480
and slammed them down to the mat
with a mighty thud. Now can

612
00:42:16.519 --> 00:42:21.840
be found picking up the kids from
elementary school. Mister Hogan was in town

613
00:42:21.880 --> 00:42:30.880
recently to talk about his Super Brawl
five match Sunday night against Vodder. Was

614
00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:36.519
your opponent Votder? I see,
let me see they sent me some publicity

615
00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:39.800
here, so hope you're wrestling Vodder
on Sunday? Can you tell us about

616
00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:47.280
how you planned to approach the match
against Votter? You No, we've called

617
00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:51.440
him that. I've called him that
so many times, but you know,

618
00:42:51.719 --> 00:42:57.000
doing it and like thinking about actual
like a like a TV news anchor making

619
00:42:57.039 --> 00:43:04.239
the mistake of calling him Vodder.
It's funny, actually it's so not exactly

620
00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:07.760
I mean not even not even considered
that Darth Vader. Like, this guy's

621
00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:16.679
so so completely not involved in pop
culture whatsoever. All right at the Baltimore

622
00:43:16.639 --> 00:43:20.960
Arena, as the Haulture says,
though, this ain't no ordinary match,

623
00:43:21.039 --> 00:43:25.000
brother, that's because his World Championship
Wrestling Heavyweight title is on the line.

624
00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:36.239
Mister Hogan forty one, Wow,
I'm older than him. In at this

625
00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:42.800
show, like that's I'm older than
him, and this is like thin faced

626
00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:45.760
Hogan would like that. Yeah right, the wristbands, right, he looks

627
00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:52.440
older than ever. Honestly, he's
only forty one. Jesus Christ. Mister

628
00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:54.400
Hogan forty one, says he has
to work hard to keep up with the

629
00:43:54.440 --> 00:44:00.079
younger wrestlers, especially someone like Vader, who's so nasty. He wears it

630
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:05.480
looks like a harness on his face. Ooh, that's written in there by

631
00:44:05.480 --> 00:44:07.400
the way I want you to know
it is. Ooh is written in there

632
00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:13.559
that guy. That guy does scare
me, said mister Hogan, looking decidedly

633
00:44:13.679 --> 00:44:22.119
unscared over lunch at the Polo Grill. Over lunch, like we need to

634
00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:28.239
know he's eating a salad when this
is happening. No matter what my think

635
00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:30.559
about wrestling, you know, being
fake or choreographed or whatever, you have

636
00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:36.320
to admit that Vodder is scary.
Say that again. That's that's actually what

637
00:44:36.320 --> 00:44:38.039
it says in the article. Go
ahead. They didn't even have to have

638
00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:42.440
the writer say it's fake. Hogan
offers it up. No matter what you

639
00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:45.679
think about professional wrestling, but being
fake or choreographed or whatever, you have

640
00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:51.119
to admit that Vader is scary looking. That's Hogan's ninety five bag. It's

641
00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:53.480
like, I'm gonna talk about how
it's fake in my promos and how like

642
00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:57.599
the sky listen, I just want
to be real, brother, represents a

643
00:44:57.639 --> 00:45:01.280
menace even in the abstract. Not
know if you if you think about wrestling

644
00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:07.239
being real and you consider what voters
all about, dude, I mean this

645
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:09.800
is where the column of the line
gets blurred. Brother, you know what

646
00:45:09.920 --> 00:45:13.559
is real? What is fake?
Dude? I won't not only come out

647
00:45:13.599 --> 00:45:20.119
of the ring. That's a good
line. That is a good line.

648
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:24.960
It's like how he didn't know if
he was retiring right right, exactly great

649
00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:29.760
life. Ask why he got back
into wrestling after a two year retirement,

650
00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:32.239
mister Hogan says he did it for
his son. If my son never saw

651
00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:36.199
me wrestle, you, Nick would
come home from nursery school and ask me,

652
00:45:36.239 --> 00:45:40.320
you know, dad, what's hull
comnia bullshit? As for what is

653
00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:44.400
typical day is like, it may
surprise him to learn if the hulksure doesn't

654
00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:47.039
start it by downing a glass of
raw eggs, running ten miles or going

655
00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:51.800
to the gym to bench press a
few hundred pounds. It begins with Dad

656
00:45:51.880 --> 00:45:55.280
making breakfast for the kids, which
used to piss off Linda, which I

657
00:45:55.280 --> 00:45:59.119
thought is one of the best things
in his second book. Of course,

658
00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:01.599
absolutely as always, for some reason, one of the kids have a big

659
00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:05.039
breakfast and she just come down and
be like, what the fuck is this,

660
00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:07.320
Terry, Why don't you just have
They can just have a bull cereal.

661
00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:09.199
It's funny how it pissed her off
that you would make breakfast. Of

662
00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:13.519
course, I just love that,
of course much, because you know what,

663
00:46:13.559 --> 00:46:15.440
because she would just be you know, this is this is this is

664
00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:19.320
bad. I'm not I'm not taking
sides here, although I totally am taking

665
00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:22.239
sides. Is that, you know, she'd be so lazy, she wouldn't

666
00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:23.840
want to make fucking I think,
yeah, exactly food, and so she'd

667
00:46:23.840 --> 00:46:28.159
make it. And so now he's
one upping her in an area that really

668
00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:30.599
is supposed to be you know,
kind of taking taking not that I'm trying

669
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:35.440
to say, you know, just
their situation. She's supposed to be kind

670
00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:37.719
of the keeper of this es,
of this domain, of this of this

671
00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:43.920
realm. You know, this is
where she is is the uh is the

672
00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:47.440
true is the Hulkster you know,
like at home and taking care of the

673
00:46:47.480 --> 00:46:52.440
family, and here he is fucking
coming in and kicking her ass and ripping

674
00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:58.559
open like packages of bacon, just
like three packages of bacon. I want

675
00:46:58.599 --> 00:47:01.079
you to have like fifteen eggs.
I got bacon, dude, I got

676
00:47:01.159 --> 00:47:04.480
sausage, I got I got,
I got it. I got bread over

677
00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:08.280
ears holder make toast. He's sizzling
by like eight point fifteen on a Sunday,

678
00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:13.920
and she's not. She's no,
exactly exactly. The whole fucking house

679
00:47:14.199 --> 00:47:22.599
smells like coffee and bacon, all
right, And my best party, and

680
00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:24.119
the best party is to when push
comes up, she gets none of it.

681
00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:29.000
Well, I mean it's there,
it's all eating. It's all eating.

682
00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:31.239
You kid me, Come on,
Hulk Hogan. You know you think

683
00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:35.639
he's not gonna eat it himself.
Goods, come on in and get some

684
00:47:35.639 --> 00:47:38.920
eggs. Hey, they sit at
the island. Hey kids, dude,

685
00:47:39.039 --> 00:47:44.760
just let's come on Brown brother,
Hey Brooke teeny, I got some eggs.

686
00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:49.039
I got some tiss for you,
dude, Nick brother, Nick teeny,

687
00:47:49.119 --> 00:47:52.960
dude, I got look, I
got the sausagel. They're watching like

688
00:47:52.039 --> 00:48:00.239
Nickelodeon right, Oh God, Terry, it smells awful. What the fuck

689
00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:04.239
she's like rubbing her eyes? Well, I just I just made some bris

690
00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:12.639
for the kids, dude, some
briz, some briz. Yeah, brother,

691
00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:15.559
I made bris for the kids.
I said, you know, I

692
00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:16.480
might as well come down. You
know, I'm up early in the morning.

693
00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:19.760
Anyway, Brother, I might as
well cook some things. Dude,

694
00:48:20.039 --> 00:48:27.280
it'll make the kids, make the
kids a nice big briz. Okay,

695
00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:31.800
he tucks. He talks in exact
detail about the breakfast and eggs to please

696
00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:39.880
keep reading. I've got it down
with science, eggs, sausage, and

697
00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:45.079
cinnamon toast seven minutes, he says
proudly. Then I packed their lunches.

698
00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:54.000
I get the sandwich, the yogurt, the little fruit toots coe, uh,

699
00:48:54.039 --> 00:48:57.800
you know, and pack it into
the Batman and Barbie lunchboxes. And

700
00:48:57.840 --> 00:49:01.320
it's off to school. Oh after
these domestic chores are completed, does mister

701
00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:05.599
Hogan head to the gym. After
a couple hours of working out, he

702
00:49:05.599 --> 00:49:08.559
heads home. That's it, mister
Hogan sends it the disappointment. I know

703
00:49:08.639 --> 00:49:13.440
it doesn't sound like much, he
says, almost apologetically, but when you're

704
00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:15.840
at my age, you have to
really work a stain in shape. So

705
00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:21.239
when I was single. He always
talks about, saying like he harps on

706
00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:24.639
his single life like it's fucking I
mean, obviously he probably misses it like

707
00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:29.000
nobody's business even at this point.
Yeah, what he means by when I

708
00:49:29.039 --> 00:49:31.280
was single, he means when I
could do steroids. Right, we're very

709
00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:35.480
good. I mean when I was
single, I think of nothing of going

710
00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:38.519
out all night and having fun.
Now it's different. He even eats right,

711
00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:42.760
puts his napkin in his lap,
like just like his mother taught him.

712
00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:45.880
You might expect a burly guys,
which is mister Hogan, to order

713
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:47.920
something like the raw meat d Jules. How about food, folks, I

714
00:49:47.960 --> 00:49:52.840
mean this article, Look what's happening
here? I know it seriously is.

715
00:49:53.320 --> 00:49:57.920
But instead it's two chill grilled chicken
breasts with no butter, no salt,

716
00:49:58.039 --> 00:50:01.079
no grease, and egg white ahmet
we spinach and mushrooms and a toss salad

717
00:50:01.119 --> 00:50:07.679
with red onions. Didn't we say
when we asked bride Knobs? But Hogan

718
00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:12.840
cooks for breakfast if he has egg
white omelets exactly exactly. Omelets is right

719
00:50:12.880 --> 00:50:19.440
there, Oh Knobs, dude,
you got the skill it going, brother,

720
00:50:20.760 --> 00:50:22.320
Give me one of those egg white
dude, egg white omelet dude with

721
00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:28.039
the spinach and the cheese, dude, rights, maybe put a little you

722
00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:30.920
know what, brother, kind of
put a little uh miss ushrooms in there.

723
00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:37.039
Brother, feeling a little frisky tonight. Dude, feeling a little frisky

724
00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:46.679
tonight as he orders breakfast. I
can't that big house from Holgan knows best

725
00:50:46.800 --> 00:50:52.840
that Belanda can't them coming down in
like a bathrobe, like all sleepy like

726
00:50:52.159 --> 00:51:01.840
it's just too much. I can't. Mm hmm morning dude. So what

727
00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:06.280
do you think Vince is going to
do with the paper? What's the dizz?

728
00:51:06.400 --> 00:51:10.000
Yo? What's the diz? Brother
talking about that pay per view is

729
00:51:12.280 --> 00:51:14.480
coming up? Brother, what do
you think Vince is going to plan for

730
00:51:14.559 --> 00:51:17.159
that? For the finish Dude?
You think leg drop one, two three,

731
00:51:17.239 --> 00:51:22.599
game over? Brother, That's what
I'm thinking, Dude, what a

732
00:51:22.639 --> 00:51:28.920
surprise. Isn't that what you were
thinking last month too? Terry, Well,

733
00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:30.760
I thought I kind of wanted to
change it up a little bit,

734
00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:39.320
dude. Maybe have one, two
three then leg drop? Yeah, beat

735
00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:45.760
him with a so get the pin, then drop the leg just bring back,

736
00:51:45.079 --> 00:51:49.000
bring back the axie boomba. Dude. Wow, No, kind of

737
00:51:49.079 --> 00:51:58.639
like you off the let's let's uh, let's let this Baltimore sunwriter gal us

738
00:51:58.679 --> 00:52:02.719
with just a few more food items. Uh. He notices that his lunch

739
00:52:02.719 --> 00:52:07.519
companion is eating only a salad.
This is too much food for me,

740
00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:09.840
he says, sounding vaguely like Ward
Cleaver, and leave it to beaver.

741
00:52:10.599 --> 00:52:15.320
Then he puts some chicken on an
extra plate for his companion. Gee,

742
00:52:15.400 --> 00:52:20.880
you'd think dad would cut the meat
for you first. This is what it's

743
00:52:20.920 --> 00:52:24.800
come to with. Uh, he
doesn't. I mean, I guess he's

744
00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:28.719
leaning into it, but not a
superhero here. Well, dude, I

745
00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:30.719
want to tell you, brother,
I'm cold. What I want to do,

746
00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:32.400
dude, is long come to take
things back a little bit, can

747
00:52:32.559 --> 00:52:36.880
dial things back in, you know, brother, because I want what I

748
00:52:36.920 --> 00:52:42.199
want to do is kind of bring
into w CW the idea of action venture

749
00:52:42.239 --> 00:52:45.159
comedy. Brother. And that's why
I think, you know, Hulkemania should

750
00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:46.960
be about. That's what I think
w c W should be about, not

751
00:52:47.079 --> 00:52:52.960
blood and guts about you know brother. Yeah, we got the these guys

752
00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:55.400
over here, dude, they're like, oh, you know, you know

753
00:52:55.519 --> 00:52:59.400
this is you know, you're damaging
what we call wrestling. I'm like well,

754
00:52:59.440 --> 00:53:00.480
you know, dude, we're kind
of taking in a little bit of

755
00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:05.280
a different direction, dude, kind
of bringing the family's brother. You're kind

756
00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:07.800
of making it that action adventure comedy. Dudes to that more people can come

757
00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:14.360
to the table and see what's at
WCW and this thing we're making. Brother,

758
00:53:17.800 --> 00:53:23.000
I'm intrigued. I mean, we
got this thing over here, and

759
00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:25.840
somebody said at one point, I
think what he said, you know this

760
00:53:25.880 --> 00:53:29.760
thing we got to we're taking this
thing to the next level. Brother,

761
00:53:29.880 --> 00:53:31.480
clearly, yeah, we want right
now, we're about here, dude,

762
00:53:31.519 --> 00:53:35.599
we gotta take this thing up here. Bro, we're building something new.

763
00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:37.800
You know, we got to con
you know, we're taking things to the

764
00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:39.719
next level. Brother. So that's
the play with Terry, you know,

765
00:53:39.960 --> 00:53:45.280
Family Man, somebody who's just like
more cookie cutter than ever. Interestingly,

766
00:53:45.360 --> 00:53:49.320
Oh yeah, and this is what
he's giving up when he turns here in

767
00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:52.760
ninety six. This is the exact
you know, marketing plan that he turns

768
00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:58.239
us back on articles like this and
Family Man coming off testifying against Vince.

769
00:53:58.280 --> 00:54:00.760
Of course, in the summer of
ninety four, the week BEFO for beating

770
00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:01.840
Flair at Bash of the Beach.
You know, it's a new Hogan,

771
00:54:02.679 --> 00:54:06.159
but in a lot of ways,
it's the old Hogan just less interesting,

772
00:54:06.599 --> 00:54:09.679
you know, just even more Anna
Dye than the original babyface Hulcogan run.

773
00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:14.960
So meanwhile, Vader gets himself a
bit of ink in the Pittsburgh Post to

774
00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:20.559
Gazette, future w CP commentator Mark
Madden writing this up maybe pro wrestling's most

775
00:54:20.559 --> 00:54:23.119
incredible sight ever. The six foot
five, four hundred and fifty pound wrestler

776
00:54:23.119 --> 00:54:27.760
climbs to the top rope inexplicably facing
away from the ring, away from his

777
00:54:27.800 --> 00:54:30.880
prone opponent than he Moon Salts does
a backwards flip onto his foe. No

778
00:54:31.039 --> 00:54:35.760
ordinary move. But then Vader,
former All American defensive lineman for the University

779
00:54:35.800 --> 00:54:38.960
of Colorado's football team and the next
Los Angeles Ram is no ordinary wrestler.

780
00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:43.599
He's been wrestling nine years and has
been a recognized world champion eleven times.

781
00:54:43.800 --> 00:54:47.119
He's been world champion for Ted Turner
owned World Championship Wrestling three times. Vader

782
00:54:47.239 --> 00:54:52.480
WCWUS Champion and World Champion for Japanese
promotion UWFi. Yes, Vader had a

783
00:54:52.480 --> 00:54:55.840
deal boss at the time that allowed
him to work Japan and he was the

784
00:54:55.960 --> 00:55:00.159
champion of the UWFi organization, a
shoot style group Wow. At the same

785
00:55:00.199 --> 00:55:04.800
time, he's wrestling Hogan on pay
per view, so you can imagine how

786
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:09.800
that complicates. Is his interest in
doing the clean or for the Hulkster wrestles

787
00:55:09.840 --> 00:55:13.440
Hulk Coogan for the w W World
Heavyweight title in the Super Bowl pay per

788
00:55:13.519 --> 00:55:15.760
view Sunday at seven pm. Vader
began life as Leon White thirty eight years

789
00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:19.960
ago. Injuries cut his football career
short, but he quickly became a sensation

790
00:55:20.039 --> 00:55:22.719
in wrestling. In nineteen ninety,
he was recognized world champion on three continents

791
00:55:22.719 --> 00:55:25.719
at the same time. I'm lucky
to have conquered the globe in wrestling,

792
00:55:25.760 --> 00:55:29.599
he said over the phone from Tokyo. I've been called the best big man

793
00:55:29.599 --> 00:55:30.840
in wrestling, but I think I'm
one of the best period. I take

794
00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:36.440
a back seat to no one,
not even Hulk Hogan. M I see

795
00:55:36.480 --> 00:55:38.880
Sunday's match as the largest event in
wrestling's last twenty years, said Vader.

796
00:55:39.079 --> 00:55:43.000
It's the match people want to see, Like Fraser Ali, I don't really

797
00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:45.320
like Hogan, but I respect him. Does Hogan want to wrestle me?

798
00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:47.719
I don't know. Ww CD has
to last twenty years. I don't know

799
00:55:47.719 --> 00:55:51.639
about last twenty years. Yeah,
that's pretty big. I think you'd say

800
00:55:51.679 --> 00:55:55.239
maybe the last five years. Yeah, you can't say it's bigger than Andre

801
00:55:55.360 --> 00:55:58.320
Hogan. I'm sorry. Oh,
not even close. You can't say it's

802
00:55:58.320 --> 00:56:01.480
bigger than any of a WWF pay
per view headlines. Really, it's the

803
00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:04.960
match people want to see. Like
Fraser Ali, I don't really like Hogan,

804
00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:06.880
but I respect him. Does Hogan
want to wrestle me? I don't

805
00:56:06.880 --> 00:56:08.760
know. W CW says he has
to. I'm certainly not afraid of him.

806
00:56:08.920 --> 00:56:17.119
Bravado Aside wrestling results are pre mmmm. Bravado Aside wrestling results are predetermined,

807
00:56:19.880 --> 00:56:22.400
period, period, right now,
all right, you got to put

808
00:56:22.440 --> 00:56:25.199
that fucking in there? All right? You write that there for a second.

809
00:56:25.199 --> 00:56:29.920
Come on, come on, I
get this column here on this Veda

810
00:56:29.960 --> 00:56:32.440
guy. Look, I'm looking.
I'm looking. I've read it three times,

811
00:56:32.480 --> 00:56:35.320
mark, and I don't see what
I need to see in here.

812
00:56:35.719 --> 00:56:38.280
Look, I want to tell you
quotes. I've read this. Yeah,

813
00:56:38.079 --> 00:56:40.079
yeah, you got great quotes.
But you know what, this was one

814
00:56:40.079 --> 00:56:45.079
thing that's missing, and it's very
important because really this is what the story

815
00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:52.440
is all about, all right,
see see miss you missed. If it's

816
00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:55.239
not happens too much when you write
about this stuff, all right, then

817
00:56:55.239 --> 00:56:58.719
this is the thing I like,
I've let you have, you know,

818
00:56:58.719 --> 00:57:00.639
I let you go along, you
know, and do your thing a couple

819
00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:06.679
of times, and and you keep
dropping the ball. You gotta say,

820
00:57:06.719 --> 00:57:13.039
this ship's fake already anywhere in here
that wrestling is pretty determined. How how

821
00:57:13.079 --> 00:57:15.159
are we supposed to keep credibility with
our readers? You don't listen. The

822
00:57:15.199 --> 00:57:20.880
credibility is the fact that we are
saving their lives. Their lives are endangered

823
00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:25.679
with these assholes, all right.
They are having the wool pulled over their

824
00:57:25.719 --> 00:57:31.199
fucking eyes by these sons of bitches. So what I need you to do

825
00:57:31.239 --> 00:57:36.639
is I need you to recognize what
it is that I'm saying, all right,

826
00:57:36.679 --> 00:57:42.679
that that it doesn't matter what what
this fucking, this fucking humpy dumpty

827
00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:46.559
clown said all right to you in
your fucking interview culvator, A humpty dumpty

828
00:57:46.599 --> 00:57:52.599
clown. That's awesome, all right. He's a bitch, he's a fucking

829
00:57:53.119 --> 00:57:55.880
he's a fucking oath. It's not
even a real fighter. He's not even

830
00:57:55.920 --> 00:58:00.159
a real fucking fighting he he he
pulls his punches. You know, he's

831
00:58:00.199 --> 00:58:05.039
he's, he's he's a loser,
all right, he's him using an M

832
00:58:05.159 --> 00:58:07.480
M A glove in Japan. And
think that changes anything. Oh I'm sorry,

833
00:58:12.199 --> 00:58:15.119
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, now
he's now he can fucking look at

834
00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:19.320
he's. He's waffling people in the
fucking corner there. It doesn't matter.

835
00:58:19.360 --> 00:58:23.280
It's all bullshit. It's all bullshit. And I don't give a ship what

836
00:58:23.360 --> 00:58:27.679
he says, because he his job. His job is not to tell you

837
00:58:27.719 --> 00:58:30.440
the truth. His job is to
lie to you. That's what his job

838
00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:34.480
is. And I'm not gonna let
him lie to our readers. He doesn't

839
00:58:34.480 --> 00:58:37.280
need to say that it's fucking fake. I'm telling you to put in your

840
00:58:37.280 --> 00:58:42.079
fucking article that it's fucking fake.
I know the truth, you know the

841
00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:44.960
fucking truth. Do you want to
keep your job? Of course I do.

842
00:58:45.239 --> 00:58:47.519
How do I keep your apartment?
What do you want to keep your

843
00:58:47.519 --> 00:58:54.960
life? Intact? I will beat
the ship out of you. I will

844
00:58:55.039 --> 00:58:59.519
step on your fucking face. I'll
go find your mother, I'll step on

845
00:58:59.559 --> 00:59:01.599
her fucking face. Well, let
me ask you a question, mark,

846
00:59:01.599 --> 00:59:06.000
Do you want me to stab you? Right now? Let me let me

847
00:59:06.000 --> 00:59:09.960
ask you something. Let me let
me let me ask you this. Do

848
00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:13.760
you know what this is? Do
you see what I got in my hand?

849
00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:17.920
It's a fucking gun. I got
a loaded fucking gun. It's a

850
00:59:17.960 --> 00:59:22.920
word. He isn't pushed back at
all. I got a loaded fucking gun,

851
00:59:23.440 --> 00:59:28.440
cocked and fucking loaded right now,
and I'm aiming it at your fucking

852
00:59:28.480 --> 00:59:30.559
face. What do I need to
do to not get shot in the face?

853
00:59:31.400 --> 00:59:36.440
Do what I fucking said and make
it in the fucking article that this

854
00:59:36.519 --> 00:59:42.719
ship is fucking fake and you're a
fucking dick. Here's what you write,

855
00:59:42.800 --> 00:59:47.639
Okay, Bravado Aside Comma. Wrestling
results are pre determined, right, I

856
00:59:47.639 --> 00:59:51.760
want to if you want to make
it classy, I understand you want to

857
00:59:51.840 --> 00:59:54.639
keep it a little bit of your
bullshit bitch ass reputation in this paper.

858
00:59:55.519 --> 01:00:04.519
You can buy something like bro Voda
aside. All these things. Wrestling matches

859
01:00:04.559 --> 01:00:07.599
are all predetermined, all right?
Could we come to an agreement on that?

860
01:00:07.639 --> 01:00:12.440
Is that a good enough compromise for
you? I'm listen, I'm pulling

861
01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:15.920
the trigger right now. The trigger
was pulling. I got it. I'm

862
01:00:15.960 --> 01:00:20.559
halfway there. I thing it's shaking. Mark. I'm halfway there. Huh,

863
01:00:21.159 --> 01:00:23.400
you're gonna do it? Or do
I have to kill you and right

864
01:00:23.440 --> 01:00:28.840
it myself. Let's forget all the
rules of this great country of ours.

865
01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:35.760
This is the freedom of the press, freedom to tell the truth, the

866
01:00:35.800 --> 01:00:40.719
freedom to protect the citizens of this
fucking country from from ingrates from fucking fascists

867
01:00:40.760 --> 01:00:45.039
like these pro wrestling bitches. I
tell you something about America. The only

868
01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:46.760
way to protect those rights, mark
is to exercise them. And if you're

869
01:00:46.760 --> 01:00:51.440
not going to exercise the freedom of
the press to tell the truth, then

870
01:00:51.480 --> 01:00:54.480
you're doing the opposite. You're fighting
against freedom by not putting wrestling as fake.

871
01:00:54.639 --> 01:00:59.000
Let me tell you something, if
you don't exercise the freedom of the

872
01:00:59.039 --> 01:01:02.719
press, I will execute you with
the freedom of my right to fucking buy

873
01:01:02.880 --> 01:01:09.519
arms. This is pretty clear that
exercise I could ask of you. Now,

874
01:01:09.559 --> 01:01:14.679
get to you fucking typewriter and put
this ship up right? It right?

875
01:01:14.960 --> 01:01:16.599
Right, that it's fake, Right, that it's right, that it's

876
01:01:16.639 --> 01:01:22.960
bullshit right, everyone already knows is
predetermined. Why don't have to fucking care

877
01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:30.000
what people know? You're gonna We're
gonna have to listen. If ship hasn't

878
01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:34.760
sunk into the people yet, we're
gonna keep reminding them and reminding them and

879
01:01:34.840 --> 01:01:40.519
reminded them until they fucking get it. And if they don't fucking get it,

880
01:01:40.800 --> 01:01:43.400
what does it mean to get it? What do you want them to

881
01:01:43.440 --> 01:01:45.440
do to to prove to you that
they get it? Because I think they

882
01:01:45.440 --> 01:01:50.280
already do. No, they know, because if they got it, they

883
01:01:50.320 --> 01:01:54.119
wouldn't be going to the ship and
wasting their fucking money. All right,

884
01:01:54.159 --> 01:02:02.880
They are being brainwashed, they are
being hoodwinked, they are being completely disturbed

885
01:02:02.960 --> 01:02:08.239
by these pieces of shit, these
crumb bums, these crumb bums, all

886
01:02:08.320 --> 01:02:15.320
right, that's what they are.
They're fucking crumb bums. I kill crumb

887
01:02:15.320 --> 01:02:22.119
bums. Wow, all right,
don't get the fuck over there, Get

888
01:02:22.159 --> 01:02:27.400
behind your fucking desk, right the
goddamn article. Remind the people that what

889
01:02:27.400 --> 01:02:30.519
they're watching is fake, that what
they're paying for is fake, that people

890
01:02:30.599 --> 01:02:35.599
know the outcome. You don't fucking
buy tickets for the Super Bowl if you

891
01:02:35.840 --> 01:02:40.199
don't if you know that what the
fucking outcome is gonna be. Look,

892
01:02:40.239 --> 01:02:45.199
I understand where you're coming from when
you say you know, Why why should

893
01:02:45.199 --> 01:02:47.840
I have to tell people that that
it's predetermined? Everybody already knows it.

894
01:02:47.880 --> 01:02:52.159
Why should I have to do it? And I'm thinking, I know why

895
01:02:52.519 --> 01:02:57.519
because look what's in my hand.
Yeah, I know why, because I

896
01:02:57.559 --> 01:03:01.880
get a gun to your fucking head. That's why. Yeah, your boss,

897
01:03:01.920 --> 01:03:05.519
you can go sucking till anybody you
want. My boss had a fucking

898
01:03:05.519 --> 01:03:08.239
gun to my head. He was
gonna kill me. And you know what,

899
01:03:08.320 --> 01:03:10.519
they'll come to me, the police
will come and I'll say, yeah,

900
01:03:10.519 --> 01:03:14.400
I did because I was I was
doing it for the people of this

901
01:03:14.480 --> 01:03:15.719
country. That's right. I'll be
glad to go to jail for this.

902
01:03:16.280 --> 01:03:22.840
I don't mind going to jail for
protecting people, gentlemen. This is democracy

903
01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:32.199
manifest Bravado. Aside, wrestling results
are predetermined pagraph Thank heavens too. That's

904
01:03:32.199 --> 01:03:37.559
a good one by Mark. Thank
kills someone if they weren't. If not,

905
01:03:37.719 --> 01:03:40.480
my boss will he is, Yeah, exactly projecting much there, Mark.

906
01:03:42.239 --> 01:03:45.440
He is considered perhaps the toughest man
among pro wrestlers, adept at martial

907
01:03:45.559 --> 01:03:47.639
arts, brawling and technical wrestling.
As if that's not enough to make him

908
01:03:47.639 --> 01:03:51.480
a drawing card, he does dynamite, blood and guts interviews. He's definitely

909
01:03:51.519 --> 01:03:54.599
wrestling's most fearsome persona. And then
there's that moon Salt. I never really

910
01:03:54.599 --> 01:03:58.079
practiced it. I just sort of
pictured it in my mind and did it,

911
01:03:58.119 --> 01:04:01.679
he said Vader okay, later,
looking to excite the buying public ahead

912
01:04:01.719 --> 01:04:04.599
of super Brawl. Yes, indeed, well, looking back on it,

913
01:04:04.599 --> 01:04:08.000
it would not be a knight that
he relished very much at all. He

914
01:04:08.079 --> 01:04:12.039
sat for our video at a shooting
interview. I think it's way back in

915
01:04:12.119 --> 01:04:15.320
ninety eight, and it's it's it's
pretty much the first time we heard Vader

916
01:04:15.440 --> 01:04:18.679
kind of talk, you know,
from the hip about his career. And

917
01:04:18.760 --> 01:04:23.480
here's how he sized up everything that
happened. He'saly health kilget in super Bowl

918
01:04:23.519 --> 01:04:26.079
five, heard that Hogan was coming
in. Now, you at the time,

919
01:04:26.280 --> 01:04:28.719
even up to that point, you
know, as Flair was just starting

920
01:04:28.719 --> 01:04:30.239
to come back, you were the
top dog more or less in the company.

921
01:04:30.639 --> 01:04:34.159
You've been there, champion for a
long time. You were You've kept

922
01:04:34.199 --> 01:04:38.679
the door open with Sid. What
was your reactions when Hogan was coming in,

923
01:04:38.719 --> 01:04:41.639
because you got to know right away, you know, when when when

924
01:04:41.880 --> 01:04:45.480
Rick double cross gate for the title. Yeah, it was took dotsy job

925
01:04:45.559 --> 01:04:51.639
two days for Bige and I left. My first reaction was no, you

926
01:04:51.679 --> 01:04:54.440
know, he said, well,
I'm gonna keep the time, said,

927
01:04:54.440 --> 01:04:56.760
don't you know. You know,
I said, that's not what we talked

928
01:04:56.760 --> 01:05:01.400
about the dot the agreement on which
you don't and Rick, that simply can

929
01:05:01.480 --> 01:05:08.280
happen, you know. And we
had long, big discussion, and you

930
01:05:08.280 --> 01:05:14.639
know, after probably fifteen ors two
hundred promises maybe for the future, I

931
01:05:14.679 --> 01:05:16.320
said, okay, okay, let's
go ahead and just get out of this

932
01:05:16.360 --> 01:05:19.760
cage match best what we can.
And then really I thought maybe he had

933
01:05:19.800 --> 01:05:24.719
stuff his onn toe there where he
was whole coming in hope what lose.

934
01:05:24.840 --> 01:05:27.639
No matter what he had told Rick, you know, they would trade off

935
01:05:27.679 --> 01:05:30.480
a few I mean, he'd beat
Rick four straight, you know, and

936
01:05:30.639 --> 01:05:35.119
penned him four straight, and that
certainly didn't do Rick any good way.

937
01:05:35.840 --> 01:05:42.679
So I figured, well, you
know, maybe after winning four straight,

938
01:05:42.760 --> 01:05:49.559
and then then he went to his
buddy what's his name, uh Savage.

939
01:05:49.639 --> 01:05:54.360
You mean as far as the title, Yeah, he went to the butcher,

940
01:05:54.440 --> 01:05:58.599
the barber beefcake produce. In other
words, yeah, he went from

941
01:05:58.679 --> 01:06:02.559
Vlaar and then he chose his apponent, which was the butcher, I guess

942
01:06:02.559 --> 01:06:09.280
at the time, butcher, the
beefcake whatever. And I mean obviously the

943
01:06:09.480 --> 01:06:12.880
biery was horrible, horrible. So
it was like, okay, boom,

944
01:06:12.920 --> 01:06:15.840
Vader to the rescue, right,
Yeah, that's resurrected thing. And I

945
01:06:15.880 --> 01:06:19.559
sat down with with Eric and I
said, look, you know, the

946
01:06:19.599 --> 01:06:23.840
guy just went four straight on Rick
Clair. He just beat you know.

947
01:06:24.440 --> 01:06:30.719
And the best thing for Hogan,
the best thing for Vader, the best

948
01:06:30.719 --> 01:06:35.880
thing for this company is is with
Flair as my manager because Harry was hurt

949
01:06:35.920 --> 01:06:40.519
at that time, Flair was gonna
walk but walking out with me and my

950
01:06:40.599 --> 01:06:45.480
manager, with Flair my manager,
I said, I have to go over.

951
01:06:45.559 --> 01:06:48.159
I said, one the only one
from the deal with with the star

952
01:06:48.280 --> 01:06:53.760
ky thing with Flair. But the
best thing for the company is you know,

953
01:06:53.840 --> 01:06:57.519
I've got to go over this first
time on Hogan. And I'm not

954
01:06:57.519 --> 01:06:59.639
talking about a clean one, two
three, but I'm talking about it.

955
01:06:59.639 --> 01:07:02.440
I mean, I don't care give
Flair Bezuka and shoot him in the back

956
01:07:04.159 --> 01:07:08.360
somehow. Let me walk out of
that belt and get the heat. Because

957
01:07:08.679 --> 01:07:12.280
you know, no matter no matter
how hard I walked out in the match

958
01:07:12.320 --> 01:07:15.679
against Hogan, you no matter how
hard I get, I tried to get

959
01:07:15.719 --> 01:07:18.920
the people to hate me. I
mean they were cheering me and bluing Hogan

960
01:07:19.320 --> 01:07:23.280
at this time, you know,
it was it was getting to the point

961
01:07:23.280 --> 01:07:28.320
where it's very obvious Hogan either needed
to quit or become a heal. Obviously

962
01:07:28.400 --> 01:07:31.719
you initially end up doing it.
And at one point had told Eric and

963
01:07:31.880 --> 01:07:34.920
what you know, that I would
have to consider, you know, if

964
01:07:35.039 --> 01:07:40.000
if you don't do what's right for
for for me, if you don't want

965
01:07:40.039 --> 01:07:41.760
to do what's right for me,
and if you don't want to do it

966
01:07:41.880 --> 01:07:45.239
right for Hogan, if you don't
want to do what's right for yourself,

967
01:07:45.679 --> 01:07:49.079
then do it right for the company, because then you imagine had I went

968
01:07:49.119 --> 01:07:55.039
over that first match with Terry right, and had Terry had the sense I

969
01:07:55.079 --> 01:07:59.760
mean you talk about a swerve.
I mean he kicked out of my mind.

970
01:08:00.239 --> 01:08:03.440
He got got up off my finish
before the series, and he told

971
01:08:03.480 --> 01:08:05.320
me, you know, I was
told to give it to him. He

972
01:08:05.360 --> 01:08:08.840
was gonna lay there. He's thinking, I know, he got up,

973
01:08:09.800 --> 01:08:13.039
and you know, what are you
thinking at that point? Well, I'm

974
01:08:13.079 --> 01:08:15.159
thinking, you know, Jesus,
this is this is how these guys get

975
01:08:15.199 --> 01:08:20.800
over this. They backstabb you.
And and yeah, I mean I thought,

976
01:08:20.880 --> 01:08:26.560
what you know, and you know, I was making good for the

977
01:08:26.600 --> 01:08:29.119
era. I mean, you know, I wasn't making the kind of money

978
01:08:29.159 --> 01:08:31.439
Hogan's making day and certainly wasn't making
kind of money bread Hearts making. But

979
01:08:32.039 --> 01:08:34.520
for that time, I was,
you know, I was making right at

980
01:08:34.680 --> 01:08:41.159
you know, right at that seventh
figure mark. Uh and uh and that

981
01:08:41.279 --> 01:08:43.920
was a lot of money for the
time and a lot of money today.

982
01:08:43.960 --> 01:08:47.880
But you know I had I had
to give a lot of thought you know

983
01:08:48.000 --> 01:08:50.920
about that, you know, just
saying no, this is the way it's

984
01:08:50.960 --> 01:08:56.520
going to be, or you know, you can fire me and and I'll

985
01:08:56.560 --> 01:09:01.199
go up and doctor fans. Yeah, and uh, looking back on that

986
01:09:01.359 --> 01:09:05.560
one, Uh, that's that's without
question, that's what should have happened,

987
01:09:05.600 --> 01:09:10.479
because the next three match would be
off with the kind of business we could

988
01:09:10.520 --> 01:09:13.920
have done, you know, would
have the farce passed what we did.

989
01:09:15.119 --> 01:09:18.000
No lies detected. Wow, he
lays it all out, doesn't he.

990
01:09:18.239 --> 01:09:25.640
That's right? I mean, just
uh, just out Fox at the table.

991
01:09:26.199 --> 01:09:30.119
You know, this is absolutely come
on. I mean, you know

992
01:09:30.840 --> 01:09:36.359
it's really it's it's Vigder's fault one
hundred for not either preparing for it or

993
01:09:36.520 --> 01:09:41.039
not you know, doing something about
it. Because he was there enough to

994
01:09:41.399 --> 01:09:46.439
watch Hogan walk all over Flair and
and and change, change finishes and stuff

995
01:09:46.520 --> 01:09:49.399
like that for the first year that
he was there, like the fact that

996
01:09:49.479 --> 01:09:54.720
he didn't fucking catch on like he
was going to be any different. Like

997
01:09:54.960 --> 01:09:57.640
that's what it is. It's when
you realize you're not any different. You're

998
01:09:57.680 --> 01:10:01.119
not any different, Listen, You're
all the same in his eyes. And

999
01:10:01.199 --> 01:10:05.840
he made it seem like, you
know, let's resurrect the Vader thing because

1000
01:10:05.840 --> 01:10:09.279
the buy rate for Star Kid was
so horrible. Dude, you shot the

1001
01:10:09.319 --> 01:10:13.119
angle for the match on that pay
per view like a month and a half

1002
01:10:13.199 --> 01:10:15.720
before they even knew if the show
did one by right, you know,

1003
01:10:16.039 --> 01:10:19.239
got to be careful with Vader too. He would he would take his sour

1004
01:10:19.319 --> 01:10:24.439
grapes and like kind of structure reality
to act like he had signals that he

1005
01:10:24.479 --> 01:10:26.800
didn't really have. And when you
watch the match, I mean, this

1006
01:10:26.880 --> 01:10:29.239
thing that's supposed to get him so
pissed off, he certainly gets right in

1007
01:10:29.279 --> 01:10:32.119
a position after Hogan's up from his
finish, no problem, and it carries

1008
01:10:32.199 --> 01:10:35.439
himself in a way where he totally
expects Hogan to do that. I don't

1009
01:10:35.439 --> 01:10:40.600
know, it didn't really jump out
to me what he's talking about. I

1010
01:10:40.680 --> 01:10:47.279
mean, I've heard I've heard the
story that Hogan, that Hogan no sold

1011
01:10:47.479 --> 01:10:53.520
the the power bomb and killed it, and I and I heard, I've

1012
01:10:53.560 --> 01:10:55.640
heard that for I've never seen the
show, by the way, until we

1013
01:10:55.960 --> 01:10:59.159
watch it for this, Oh wow, I've never actually watched it, and

1014
01:10:59.520 --> 01:11:03.279
so I've had that in my head
the whole time. I have that in

1015
01:11:03.359 --> 01:11:05.760
my head, like, oh yeah, so I'm gonna wait for Hogan.

1016
01:11:05.760 --> 01:11:12.680
He's gonna no sell the the the
power bomb here, and then he sells

1017
01:11:12.720 --> 01:11:15.960
it, and I'm like, what's
everyone fucking talking about? He sells it

1018
01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:17.560
for a minute, he convulses on
the canvas. Vader covers him, and

1019
01:11:17.680 --> 01:11:20.359
he kicks out before a one and
he's up and punching it within it.

1020
01:11:20.560 --> 01:11:25.920
No, that's it's the again.
Vader does another move. Vader goes for

1021
01:11:26.000 --> 01:11:30.760
a splash. Yeah he does.
Yep. Vader goes for a splash,

1022
01:11:30.239 --> 01:11:33.520
and that's when Hogan kicks out.
So he doesn't have anything to do with

1023
01:11:33.640 --> 01:11:38.720
the fucking power bomb. It's the
splash. Well, he gets well,

1024
01:11:38.960 --> 01:11:42.159
Vader power bombs and covers him,
and Hogan gets up immediately and starts punching

1025
01:11:42.239 --> 01:11:45.199
him in the head with no cell
whatsoever. I don't I mean, I'm

1026
01:11:45.279 --> 01:11:47.359
not I'm gonna take a look right
back. Yeah, that happens, because

1027
01:11:47.840 --> 01:11:50.119
I know I know he does that. I know he does that, but

1028
01:11:50.159 --> 01:11:56.239
I'm pretty sure it's after a splash
and it's not immediately after and then splashes

1029
01:11:56.279 --> 01:11:59.079
him. Yeah yes, yeah,
so so he kicked out of two things

1030
01:11:59.119 --> 01:12:01.880
instead of one. Well right,
but it's not like he again. To

1031
01:12:02.000 --> 01:12:04.760
me, the idea is, and
I've always this is what I always have

1032
01:12:04.760 --> 01:12:10.439
thought about in wrestling, is that
you do one move and then, in

1033
01:12:10.479 --> 01:12:15.479
a weird way, the next move
you do kind of negates the last move.

1034
01:12:15.560 --> 01:12:16.239
Oh well, see, that's not
how I think about it. I

1035
01:12:16.319 --> 01:12:18.720
think of it as if they happened
back to back. It just piles on

1036
01:12:18.800 --> 01:12:23.039
the punishment. It's even more impressive
when you kick out of a power bomb

1037
01:12:23.079 --> 01:12:25.880
plus splash than just kick out of
the power bomb. But not when you

1038
01:12:26.000 --> 01:12:28.960
have a moment of so so do
you Technically that isn't kicking out of the

1039
01:12:29.000 --> 01:12:30.359
power bomb. It's kicking out of
the splash. Kicking out of the splash.

1040
01:12:30.439 --> 01:12:33.159
Yeah, well, whatever it was. I mean, you know,

1041
01:12:33.159 --> 01:12:34.920
if I were to take a guess, is what he's talking about. It's

1042
01:12:34.960 --> 01:12:38.520
not that Hogan kicks out. Okay, so here, okay, this is

1043
01:12:38.600 --> 01:12:41.520
what it is, so okay,
I'm watching it back right now. Okay,

1044
01:12:41.720 --> 01:12:45.640
I got it on silent. Randy
Anderson is down, Vader picks him

1045
01:12:45.720 --> 01:12:54.359
up, power bomb, goes for
the pin and clearly gets the pin.

1046
01:12:55.840 --> 01:12:59.960
He's Hogan's down, he's covered with
the referees out the no ref count.

1047
01:13:00.319 --> 01:13:04.399
Flair comes in, registers a three
count, stomps Hogan, stomps no,

1048
01:13:04.640 --> 01:13:10.239
stomps on Randy Anderson, and then
Vader gets up. So all this time,

1049
01:13:10.439 --> 01:13:15.520
Hogan's been recuperating right from the power
bomb, and then he splashes him

1050
01:13:15.520 --> 01:13:17.680
and then he gets right, yeah, and then Flair stomps on Hogan,

1051
01:13:18.800 --> 01:13:24.800
big splash and then to count.
Actually it's a two count as a two

1052
01:13:24.880 --> 01:13:28.359
and then he's up like and then
Hogan's up like like like Hogan does.

1053
01:13:28.800 --> 01:13:32.199
Right, but I'm sorry he sold
the power bomb and even let Vader get

1054
01:13:32.199 --> 01:13:35.680
the visual pillar. We're talking about
Hulk Hogan here. I think what he

1055
01:13:35.760 --> 01:13:39.600
does is he doesn't do like the
Hogan like Hulk up where you punch and

1056
01:13:39.720 --> 01:13:42.600
he builds and no, because he
did that already, he did that earlier

1057
01:13:42.680 --> 01:13:45.319
on right, So I think Vader
might misread it as him just mixing it

1058
01:13:45.399 --> 01:13:48.760
up the comeback, because it's kind
of uncharacteristic the way he springs to his

1059
01:13:48.800 --> 01:13:54.000
feet and just rushes Vader. He
rushes Vader almost like he's he's going to

1060
01:13:54.039 --> 01:13:57.319
catch him by surprise. Honestly,
right put him in a position to be

1061
01:13:57.479 --> 01:14:00.000
dancing to his tune because he's in
his face punching him in. Vader didn't

1062
01:14:00.000 --> 01:14:05.720
necessarily expect that that's what it seemed. Maybe, but I honestly I was

1063
01:14:05.840 --> 01:14:12.319
like I was. To me,
it didn't come across as bad as what

1064
01:14:12.439 --> 01:14:15.079
I'd always heard, right, I
think what matters most is what they went

1065
01:14:15.119 --> 01:14:19.039
into the ring expecting, you know, and one of those expectations were reasonable.

1066
01:14:19.399 --> 01:14:24.279
I'm sure Hogan would have a story
about how Vader misinterpreted something and we

1067
01:14:24.359 --> 01:14:28.279
go from there. I just don't
think that. I don't think he damaged

1068
01:14:28.279 --> 01:14:30.000
the power bomb at all. I
don't think he damaged that finishing hold.

1069
01:14:30.039 --> 01:14:32.640
He sold it and took the visual
pin that was the whole point on the

1070
01:14:32.640 --> 01:14:36.800
pay per view in Caesar's and the
clash in Caesar's in January, Vader powerbombs

1071
01:14:36.840 --> 01:14:40.560
Hogan, and Hogan kicks out at
one and gets right up. So this

1072
01:14:41.079 --> 01:14:45.159
idea that the power bomb was sacred
and then Hogan was going to sell it,

1073
01:14:45.199 --> 01:14:47.439
that's already yesterday's news. I don't
know why we forget that, but

1074
01:14:47.960 --> 01:14:51.039
Vader does. I just guess he
had a different expectation in the ring that

1075
01:14:51.159 --> 01:14:55.119
night. Of course, Hogan's never
talked about it. Hogan doesn't mention Vader

1076
01:14:55.159 --> 01:14:57.319
in either of his books, and
I've never really seen him talk about him

1077
01:14:57.479 --> 01:15:00.359
in any interviews. It would be
kind of a random thing to ask Covid

1078
01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:03.000
about anyway, but I've never seen
it. But when Eric Bischoff covered the

1079
01:15:03.000 --> 01:15:06.279
show in the eighty three Weeks podcast
with Conrad Thompson, as he's wont to

1080
01:15:06.319 --> 01:15:09.840
do, he sort of speaks for
Hulk Hogan a listen directly. He doesn't

1081
01:15:10.039 --> 01:15:13.479
like to say that, but he
kind of is. Of course, Eric

1082
01:15:13.600 --> 01:15:16.239
was senior VP and Executive producer WCW
at this point in time, so the

1083
01:15:16.319 --> 01:15:21.560
situation is already well ensconced. Wherein
Bishoff essentially does you know Hulk Hogan's prerogative

1084
01:15:21.920 --> 01:15:28.239
right ten times out of ten?
And so here he is delivering a bit

1085
01:15:28.279 --> 01:15:31.199
of context as to how Hogan was
feeling coming into the match with Vader.

1086
01:15:31.600 --> 01:15:38.279
The other part of it was legitimately
Hogan had concerns about working with Vader.

1087
01:15:39.640 --> 01:15:46.439
Rather, the primary concern was that
Vader's style, although he was so capable

1088
01:15:46.720 --> 01:15:51.479
and after watching this match back,
you know, it only reinforces that that

1089
01:15:51.640 --> 01:15:58.399
feeling on my part. Vader was
so capable of working with anybody in any

1090
01:15:58.520 --> 01:16:03.279
sally wanted to. Unfortunately he had
you know, he had a track record.

1091
01:16:03.720 --> 01:16:12.600
He was a unpredictable personality. You
never knew which Vader you were going

1092
01:16:12.680 --> 01:16:15.359
to get, which is why Harley
Race was his manager. By the way,

1093
01:16:15.439 --> 01:16:19.159
Harley Race wasn't Vader's manager because Vader
couldn't dok. Vader could cut a

1094
01:16:19.199 --> 01:16:26.800
pretty good promo given the opportunity and
a little bit of direction. But Harley

1095
01:16:26.880 --> 01:16:31.720
Race was there to talk Vader off
the cliff more often than not and try

1096
01:16:31.800 --> 01:16:36.560
to manage him and get what we
needed out of him creatively. So,

1097
01:16:38.239 --> 01:16:42.239
you know, I think that Hulk
was concerned about, you know, Vader's

1098
01:16:42.560 --> 01:16:48.680
willingness and that ability, willingness to
work you know, a Hogan style match

1099
01:16:48.840 --> 01:16:55.119
until a Hogan style story as opposed
to the type of stories and the types

1100
01:16:55.159 --> 01:16:59.920
of matches that Vader typically was involved
in where he basically ate everybody a lot

1101
01:17:00.079 --> 01:17:03.199
live. So those were two issues. I'm not going to you know,

1102
01:17:03.359 --> 01:17:08.439
minimize the second, but I'm also
not going to just you know, gloss

1103
01:17:08.520 --> 01:17:12.880
over the first. You know,
there was no there was no urgency in

1104
01:17:13.000 --> 01:17:15.720
getting that match out there because we
knew it would be a big match,

1105
01:17:15.800 --> 01:17:17.600
We knew it would probably sell out, we knew it would be a draw

1106
01:17:17.640 --> 01:17:21.399
on pay per view, and we
wanted to build it correctly as correctly as

1107
01:17:21.439 --> 01:17:26.880
we could. Okan had concerns about
working with Vader Brother. Dude. You

1108
01:17:26.960 --> 01:17:29.279
know, I'm just not digging this
creedy. Can you come in here,

1109
01:17:29.319 --> 01:17:33.560
dude, You take a see Brother
easy easy? What's up? Brother?

1110
01:17:33.920 --> 01:17:40.640
Uncle dude, Uncle, brother?
The kids? Brother? What's his name?

1111
01:17:40.680 --> 01:17:45.680
What's the kid's name? Garrett?
How's g how's G biz? Brother?

1112
01:17:45.960 --> 01:17:49.920
How's G Man? How's G Easy? How's how's geezy? Dude?

1113
01:17:51.319 --> 01:17:55.760
I want to talk about Vader Brother. This match coming up here, and

1114
01:17:55.880 --> 01:18:00.520
we got we got watch watch.
I wanna tell you watch a lot of

1115
01:18:00.600 --> 01:18:02.760
stuff, dude, not only in
WCW, but I've also watched some of

1116
01:18:02.800 --> 01:18:05.279
his japan stuff. Brother, I'm
telling you, you know, I don't

1117
01:18:05.319 --> 01:18:08.640
know. We get to kind of
dial in that offense. I don't know

1118
01:18:08.680 --> 01:18:10.960
what you know, I don't know
what Vader to expect. That's the thing,

1119
01:18:11.039 --> 01:18:14.159
bro. You know, I've seen
I've seen different kinds of Vader brother,

1120
01:18:14.760 --> 01:18:17.199
and I'm I'm I don't know exactly
what I'm going to be getting,

1121
01:18:17.279 --> 01:18:21.039
Dude. I've seen the Vader working
with Flair brother, I've seen the Vader

1122
01:18:21.119 --> 01:18:26.439
working in Japan with Missala. Dude. I've seen all these things, bro,

1123
01:18:28.840 --> 01:18:32.279
I mean, I mean, also, he is he big Van Vader

1124
01:18:32.359 --> 01:18:35.479
brother? Is Evader? Is he
super Vader? Dude? You know what's

1125
01:18:35.520 --> 01:18:41.600
the Diz brother? That he's super
Vader? I am, I'm I'm I'm

1126
01:18:41.720 --> 01:18:45.680
concerned dude, that I don't know
who I'm wrestling and that I don't know

1127
01:18:45.079 --> 01:18:55.720
what's going to happen. Yep,
that sounds about right now. The Observer

1128
01:18:55.920 --> 01:18:59.359
was reporting at the time that Vader
had two years left on an existing deal

1129
01:18:59.439 --> 01:19:02.239
but was pushing for a renegotiation.
It's very clear that when Hogan came in,

1130
01:19:02.760 --> 01:19:08.159
the sort of a nature of WCW
contracts was busted wide open, and

1131
01:19:08.800 --> 01:19:11.840
that all kinds of things exceptions were
being made. I guess you could say,

1132
01:19:11.960 --> 01:19:15.000
or new deal structures were now suddenly
possible that never would have been entertained

1133
01:19:15.000 --> 01:19:18.600
before he came in. You know, Savage got an incredible deal and all

1134
01:19:18.640 --> 01:19:23.720
this stuff's guaranteed and everything, and
everyone's looking for, you know, a

1135
01:19:23.800 --> 01:19:28.199
piece of this new kind of normal
on the back of I suppose higher revenue

1136
01:19:28.239 --> 01:19:30.960
expectations from doing that, many more
pay per views and Hogan adding to the

1137
01:19:31.000 --> 01:19:36.000
pay per view bottom line and some
licensing starting to flow. Bischoffs talked a

1138
01:19:36.000 --> 01:19:40.760
lot credibly. I think about how
Hogan opened a lot of doors to people

1139
01:19:40.800 --> 01:19:44.520
willing to put a check in WCW's
hand to license their merchandise that they never

1140
01:19:44.520 --> 01:19:46.840
would have gotten before L. Cogan
came in. So while you can look

1141
01:19:46.880 --> 01:19:49.399
at you know, how show attendance
and TV ratings and stuff and saying,

1142
01:19:49.439 --> 01:19:54.479
eh, Hogan wasn't as big of
a difference maker as as you would have

1143
01:19:54.520 --> 01:19:57.319
thought or expected, and even pay
per view. You know, he definitely

1144
01:19:57.359 --> 01:20:00.479
boosted pay per view, but perhaps
not to the degree justified by his contract.

1145
01:20:00.119 --> 01:20:05.000
There were some licensing opportunities that equaled
real money that he opened the door

1146
01:20:05.039 --> 01:20:10.920
for as well. So all that
said, there's more money slashing around.

1147
01:20:10.960 --> 01:20:14.279
It seems like or at least the
purse strings are now loosened somehow and people

1148
01:20:14.319 --> 01:20:16.560
are looking to make deals. And
The Observer reported, and Bischoff kind of

1149
01:20:16.560 --> 01:20:19.600
brushed this off on the podcast,
but that Vader was trying to push for

1150
01:20:19.680 --> 01:20:24.560
a three year extension and that perhaps
the politics of who goes over and the

1151
01:20:24.720 --> 01:20:30.039
Super Bowl match was kind of hanging
in the balance and those negotiations. Bischeff

1152
01:20:30.039 --> 01:20:30.760
says, it wasn't true. It
had nothing to do with money, and

1153
01:20:32.199 --> 01:20:34.920
it's got nothing to do with me
or ww. Vader didn't make that play.

1154
01:20:35.000 --> 01:20:39.239
He just didn't. I think Eric
was sort of saying, you know,

1155
01:20:39.960 --> 01:20:42.239
did Vader say, give me a
three year contract and I'll do the

1156
01:20:42.319 --> 01:20:45.760
honors. No. But I don't
think that's explicitly what the report says necessarily

1157
01:20:45.760 --> 01:20:51.039
anyway. But when it comes to
him commenting on how the match actually played

1158
01:20:51.079 --> 01:20:55.960
out and how Vader kicked out of
the leg drop, which he pointed out

1159
01:20:56.039 --> 01:20:59.319
right, that's a big deal.
Eric is sure to remember that piece of

1160
01:20:59.359 --> 01:21:02.760
the story. One other high spot
in this match for all the Hogan haters

1161
01:21:02.880 --> 01:21:06.640
out there, at two hours,
thirty nine minutes, Vader kicks out of

1162
01:21:06.880 --> 01:21:15.359
Hogan's finish. So there you go, as hard as Vader work to make

1163
01:21:15.439 --> 01:21:19.079
Hogan look good. Hogan did the
same thing for Vader, which is one

1164
01:21:19.079 --> 01:21:23.279
of the reasons why this match wasn't
nearly as bad I think as some people

1165
01:21:23.640 --> 01:21:26.920
would like to have assumed it would
be. And I don't know if people

1166
01:21:26.920 --> 01:21:29.239
assumed it would be a bad match
or not, but it's one of the

1167
01:21:29.319 --> 01:21:32.720
only times I can ever remember where
Hogan match won best match on the Observer

1168
01:21:32.840 --> 01:21:36.119
reader poll. Wow did it really? Yeah? This was best match of

1169
01:21:36.159 --> 01:21:41.760
the show according to the ors.
It's a good match. It is good.

1170
01:21:41.800 --> 01:21:44.560
No, it's great, it's great, And honestly, it's you know,

1171
01:21:45.159 --> 01:21:50.600
it's a different type of match.
It's it's a Hogan is Hogan looks

1172
01:21:50.760 --> 01:21:55.119
like he's in danger? Right,
Yeah, we get to see a Hogan

1173
01:21:55.159 --> 01:21:58.239
fight in a different way. You're
in danger. Yeah, have to overcome

1174
01:21:58.279 --> 01:22:01.800
two or three more mountains and usual, right right, it keeps going after

1175
01:22:01.840 --> 01:22:06.319
the typical Hogan nets would have already
exhausted itself. And yeah, who's counting,

1176
01:22:06.399 --> 01:22:11.319
right Bischoff recording the exact fucking time
code on the fire where Hogan helm

1177
01:22:11.439 --> 01:22:15.479
Oh my god, it's the leg
dropping Vader kicks out to Vader's point in

1178
01:22:15.640 --> 01:22:19.640
terms of why he didn't win the
title and how that was best for WCW.

1179
01:22:20.319 --> 01:22:24.720
Here's the boss, Eric Bischoff,
responding to that line of thinking.

1180
01:22:25.439 --> 01:22:30.119
Yeah, the baby faciation. But
I think the consensus was that Hogan hadn't

1181
01:22:30.119 --> 01:22:33.119
had the belt long enough yet.
You know, you don't want to start

1182
01:22:33.239 --> 01:22:39.399
flipping and flopping that soon. That's
one school of thought, and I can

1183
01:22:39.479 --> 01:22:45.000
see both both sides of that.
To be honest with you, there was

1184
01:22:45.079 --> 01:22:48.239
there any sort of hesitation on either
guy. You know, listen, fans

1185
01:22:48.279 --> 01:22:51.239
would say, oh, neither guy
wanted to lose this. Do you want

1186
01:22:51.239 --> 01:22:54.880
to correct that narrative? Or I
mean, yeah, that wasn't true.

1187
01:22:55.000 --> 01:22:58.960
I mean, I think Vader really
really wanted to work with Hulk. Of

1188
01:22:59.039 --> 01:23:02.479
course he really did. And I
don't think it mattered to Vader whether he

1189
01:23:02.560 --> 01:23:06.119
went over or not. It really
didn't. I think with Vader, you

1190
01:23:06.199 --> 01:23:12.159
know, Vader's politics were all about
money and not so much you know,

1191
01:23:12.279 --> 01:23:16.840
his ego. Vader. I think
Vader and I'm just guessing now, we

1192
01:23:16.920 --> 01:23:20.800
didn't have talks about this or anything
like that, but my impression was that

1193
01:23:20.920 --> 01:23:24.319
Vader was smart enough to know that
if he went in there and he had

1194
01:23:24.319 --> 01:23:28.640
a great match with hug You know, his his leverage, his opportunity to

1195
01:23:28.920 --> 01:23:31.319
improve his position, would have been
on the flip side of that, not

1196
01:23:31.479 --> 01:23:34.000
on the front side of it.
So for Vader, it was just I

1197
01:23:34.039 --> 01:23:36.279
think an opportunity to get in there, improved that he could have a good

1198
01:23:36.359 --> 01:23:41.479
match and proved that he could have
chemistry with Hogan when everybody was kind of

1199
01:23:41.560 --> 01:23:45.000
betting against that. Now, I
know you're looking for leverage here, brother,

1200
01:23:45.159 --> 01:23:46.720
but just from one professional to another, I've been through a lot of

1201
01:23:46.760 --> 01:23:51.079
fires, dude, I think your
leverage isn't so much, you know,

1202
01:23:51.359 --> 01:23:56.239
in agreeing to lose to Wholthoven.
I think the leverage, brother, comes

1203
01:23:56.279 --> 01:24:00.600
in when you lose the whole heaven. Think about it, huh. I

1204
01:24:00.720 --> 01:24:04.640
thought about it, Terry. I
don't go Well, I just want to

1205
01:24:04.680 --> 01:24:08.880
say, dude, I you know, brother, But that's the thing,

1206
01:24:08.960 --> 01:24:11.560
dude, See you see, no
one kind of thinks that kind of on

1207
01:24:11.720 --> 01:24:15.640
that level. You know. I'm
asking everyone to kind of think on a

1208
01:24:15.720 --> 01:24:18.520
different level so that we can take
this thing that we're building here, brother,

1209
01:24:18.760 --> 01:24:23.720
to the next level. So how
does me losing instead of winning help

1210
01:24:23.760 --> 01:24:26.560
my bargaining position. Well, what
it does, dude, is that it

1211
01:24:26.640 --> 01:24:29.960
says, you know what, brother, I took a shot at hulk Hogan.

1212
01:24:30.760 --> 01:24:33.760
You know, well, will I
beat hulk Hogan? But hul Hogan

1213
01:24:33.840 --> 01:24:42.359
beat me? Brother, Well what
happened? What exactly? Dude? They're

1214
01:24:42.439 --> 01:24:45.880
confused, brother, And so it's
like that's your bargaining power. Brother,

1215
01:24:45.199 --> 01:24:48.439
I know I can beat hulk Hogan. But you didn't beat Hulkogan. But

1216
01:24:48.520 --> 01:24:53.039
I know I can. Right See, that's where it comes in, brother,

1217
01:24:53.319 --> 01:24:58.439
It's a psychological advantage that you have
over everybody else. Dude. It's

1218
01:24:58.479 --> 01:25:01.239
not about it's not about what happened, right, It's about what can happen.

1219
01:25:01.359 --> 01:25:05.199
Dude. Wow, leon to see
it. By way, we have

1220
01:25:05.319 --> 01:25:09.640
a match at Super Bowl, I
win. We have a match it uncensored,

1221
01:25:09.760 --> 01:25:13.680
I win. We have future matches
I win. You gotta understand,

1222
01:25:13.760 --> 01:25:15.800
brother, we gotta This is what
you gotta think about. Dude. You

1223
01:25:15.880 --> 01:25:20.239
gotta think about Long Game, brother, of the Long Game for three years.

1224
01:25:20.680 --> 01:25:24.680
You know. It's it's like if
if if you kind of go back

1225
01:25:24.720 --> 01:25:30.560
and forth and have this kind of
this fifty to fifty titles like oh dude,

1226
01:25:30.720 --> 01:25:32.520
oh look Hogan, the Hogan's in
the bile of vaders go. I

1227
01:25:32.520 --> 01:25:36.119
don't even know who's they both have
the title? Dude? Do they not

1228
01:25:36.239 --> 01:25:42.039
have? Is there no title?
Brother? And I'm what I'm telling you,

1229
01:25:42.159 --> 01:25:44.560
dude, is that is that we
want. I want to build And

1230
01:25:44.600 --> 01:25:45.800
I'm telling you, brother, this
is this is the truth. I'm not

1231
01:25:45.960 --> 01:25:50.079
lying to you. I want to
build to a lengthy Vader run, brother,

1232
01:25:51.239 --> 01:25:56.720
Like a total lengthy Vader run,
dude, at the hands of hulk

1233
01:25:56.720 --> 01:25:59.439
Hog. Do you mean a title
run Terry? That's what I well,

1234
01:25:59.479 --> 01:26:00.479
brother, I'm talking about a run
dude. Yeah, But what do you

1235
01:26:00.560 --> 01:26:05.720
mean by run? Like a run
bank? You know? Brother? Like

1236
01:26:08.720 --> 01:26:11.880
like you ever see uh you know
it's wonderful life, dude. Yeah,

1237
01:26:12.640 --> 01:26:14.720
they're gonna run on the bank.
I wanted you to have a run with

1238
01:26:14.800 --> 01:26:17.199
the bank, brother, A run
that is bank, dude, A run

1239
01:26:17.279 --> 01:26:20.119
with the money in the bank,
A run with money in the bank.

1240
01:26:20.239 --> 01:26:23.960
Brother, No, no, Leon, All right, let me slice it

1241
01:26:24.000 --> 01:26:26.039
and dice it a different way.
See if you can't get on the same

1242
01:26:26.079 --> 01:26:29.359
page with me when I talk about, dude, let's kind of slizten dis

1243
01:26:29.439 --> 01:26:32.000
this brother, let's listen. So
when I talk about wait a minute,

1244
01:26:33.319 --> 01:26:38.000
did you wait a minute? Hold
on, let me look at it.

1245
01:26:38.399 --> 01:26:42.359
Did you sign this, dude.
I thought, Uh, dude, I

1246
01:26:42.439 --> 01:26:44.800
thought before he got in here,
he's going to sign this piece of paper.

1247
01:26:44.840 --> 01:26:46.720
Brother, whoa, whoa this NDA? You didn't sign this, dude,

1248
01:26:46.840 --> 01:26:50.520
Dude, we got I'm sorry.
Brother, We've been talking all this

1249
01:26:50.600 --> 01:26:53.720
time, but we haven't been papered
on the deal. Dude. Is that

1250
01:26:53.760 --> 01:26:58.680
what you're telling me right now?
Well? Are you? Why don't you

1251
01:26:58.760 --> 01:27:00.520
sign it? Brother? I'm dude, I want to do you want to

1252
01:27:00.520 --> 01:27:05.079
get an understanding brother? Because you
did? There's ever h what do you

1253
01:27:05.119 --> 01:27:10.359
say? What? What did your
attorneys talk to mind before this meeting?

1254
01:27:11.119 --> 01:27:15.720
That's want to say, Dude.
I don't have any conversation brother without people

1255
01:27:15.760 --> 01:27:19.720
sign an NDA. So first of
all, everything I just said is null

1256
01:27:19.800 --> 01:27:25.760
and void. It's a brother non
admissible Dude. You can't, yeah do

1257
01:27:25.800 --> 01:27:30.039
you cannot admit this to any any
legal issue. We got to shut this

1258
01:27:30.159 --> 01:27:32.600
down, dude, I think dude, you know what, dude, we

1259
01:27:32.680 --> 01:27:38.279
call the cops having secure all exits. Dude, I think I think right

1260
01:27:38.319 --> 01:27:42.640
now, do you have sealed your
own fate brother by not doing what's best

1261
01:27:42.680 --> 01:27:49.800
for business? Has a way only
you've sealed your own fate brother in this

1262
01:27:50.039 --> 01:27:54.560
matter? Because I was here offering
you the world, and now all of

1263
01:27:54.600 --> 01:27:57.640
a sudden, I find out that
you didn't sign the NDA, which is

1264
01:27:57.680 --> 01:28:01.840
what really is supposed to get this
whole ociation, this whole discussion moving forward.

1265
01:28:01.880 --> 01:28:06.000
Brother, That's how Hulk overs to
do like giving things with this like

1266
01:28:06.159 --> 01:28:11.119
k fabe nd a thing like the
wrestler never saw the NDA. And then

1267
01:28:11.159 --> 01:28:13.359
when he says that, he's like, well, attorneys didn't tell you,

1268
01:28:13.760 --> 01:28:15.880
but maybe your attorneys aren't to be
trusted. And then he has a choice

1269
01:28:15.920 --> 01:28:17.600
but to go back on everything.
I got to go over one, two

1270
01:28:17.640 --> 01:28:19.399
three. Now, I mean I
can't. I can't. I try to

1271
01:28:19.439 --> 01:28:23.279
do this, but I can't.
I can't have this any any sort of

1272
01:28:23.359 --> 01:28:26.439
this kind of thing leaked out,
brother to the press, dude, to

1273
01:28:26.840 --> 01:28:30.159
to to New York dude, any
of the stuff. So I gotta everything

1274
01:28:30.239 --> 01:28:32.840
I said, dude is null and
void. Brother, We're going with the

1275
01:28:33.079 --> 01:28:36.840
with the with the the original finish
dude of meat going over. I'm going

1276
01:28:36.920 --> 01:28:42.880
to pin you at at super Bowl. I'm gonna pin you at at Uncensored.

1277
01:28:42.920 --> 01:28:45.239
I want to pin you on the
road dude, at house shows.

1278
01:28:45.479 --> 01:28:48.000
I'm gonna pin you at slamber Ree. Brother, and then I'm going to

1279
01:28:48.119 --> 01:28:54.039
pinion the cage at at at bash
of the beach. Why the only way

1280
01:28:54.079 --> 01:28:56.520
can you sign the papers? Brother? If you sign NDA? Dude,

1281
01:28:56.520 --> 01:28:58.800
we could have we got to talk
to Turkey brother, and you sign it?

1282
01:28:59.239 --> 01:29:00.840
Oh? I mean, what was
with with your mind? Dude?

1283
01:29:00.840 --> 01:29:05.199
Why Why didn't you sign this non
disclosure? Dude? Why why do you

1284
01:29:05.359 --> 01:29:09.199
have was just like step one and
a pier plan? Why? I guess

1285
01:29:09.199 --> 01:29:11.319
I want to know, dude,
why are you so eager to disclose?

1286
01:29:17.960 --> 01:29:21.920
There it is? I was looking
for it, you lay it. I

1287
01:29:21.920 --> 01:29:25.560
guess what I mean, brother,
is why are you so eager to disclose?

1288
01:29:27.359 --> 01:29:32.399
Awesome super brawl five? But yeah, I had to do with pay

1289
01:29:32.479 --> 01:29:35.439
Vader in his book. With all
the new signed talent and the price tags

1290
01:29:35.479 --> 01:29:39.000
involved, with Hogan taking the main
spots up for him and his friends,

1291
01:29:39.279 --> 01:29:42.960
all this must have cost substantial amounts
of crazy money. Since I didn't always

1292
01:29:43.000 --> 01:29:45.960
see eye to eye with Eric,
it was often stubborn and protecting my character,

1293
01:29:45.279 --> 01:29:47.920
I guess I no longer fit into
his plans. Couple this with the

1294
01:29:47.920 --> 01:29:50.960
fact that since I wasn't in the
Hogan click, I think Eric eventually decided

1295
01:29:50.960 --> 01:29:55.119
to figure out a way to sideline
me and keep some of my payouts for

1296
01:29:55.239 --> 01:29:59.079
his new pals. So yeah,
Vader's hardly the only one to say that.

1297
01:29:59.199 --> 01:30:01.760
Dustin Rhodes is going to say it
later too, where when Hogan comes

1298
01:30:01.800 --> 01:30:05.239
in, it suddenly seems like people
are getting fired for infractions that they never

1299
01:30:05.239 --> 01:30:09.439
would have been fired for in the
past, and it happened to be big

1300
01:30:09.520 --> 01:30:12.640
earners that are getting fired. Of
course, Vader's case, he has a

1301
01:30:12.680 --> 01:30:17.000
fight with a Paul Arndorf at the
second nitro before the second nitro and gets

1302
01:30:17.039 --> 01:30:23.199
fucking shit canned. So yeah,
this is the fucking opening credits for god

1303
01:30:23.319 --> 01:30:25.399
knows how long, oh my god, they kept him in they did,

1304
01:30:26.359 --> 01:30:30.000
which tells you there wasn't some long
drawing out conspiracy to get rid of him

1305
01:30:30.039 --> 01:30:33.239
if they invested to put him into
the intro. But here's and he'd be

1306
01:30:33.319 --> 01:30:36.119
in WWF at no time. He
said that he should have called Vince right

1307
01:30:36.119 --> 01:30:41.199
after this. It's sort of like, you know, not even gone down

1308
01:30:41.239 --> 01:30:46.079
this road sure with Hogan, but
that was his leverage, you know that

1309
01:30:46.159 --> 01:30:50.119
I could call Vince and shift the
tide a little bit. We're going to

1310
01:30:50.159 --> 01:30:54.760
go to Vaders book now for a
full recounting and a bit more blow by

1311
01:30:54.840 --> 01:31:00.239
blow detail than he provided in that
clip from the art video shoot interview course.

1312
01:31:00.520 --> 01:31:04.000
I think it was released posthumously actually
after Vader died. I think the

1313
01:31:04.039 --> 01:31:10.880
book came out. Remember we we
saw his son had one of the conventions

1314
01:31:11.560 --> 01:31:15.479
and he was hawking the book.
So, bossif you could give the Solar

1315
01:31:15.520 --> 01:31:28.680
system a taste from Leon White's to
their ears, absolutely the dude Vader Vodder

1316
01:31:30.159 --> 01:31:38.159
Vodder. There we go. Nobody
made good on Dusty's promise, which was

1317
01:31:38.239 --> 01:31:41.640
fairly getting the belt back after start
Gate. From what I heard, there

1318
01:31:41.760 --> 01:31:45.199
was some talk and scheming on how
to reduce my infringement on Hogan's potential TV

1319
01:31:45.399 --> 01:31:50.439
time when Rick Flair started wrestling again. Apparently the politicians wanted me gone from

1320
01:31:50.439 --> 01:31:55.039
the main events scenes so there would
be less spotlight to share and more money

1321
01:31:55.119 --> 01:31:57.960
for them. In the end.
It was kind of like the same mentality

1322
01:31:58.000 --> 01:32:05.039
as pepsi and coke. Okay,
I always love coke references. I don't

1323
01:32:05.079 --> 01:32:12.720
know what the fuck that even how
that even he'll explain. Okay, the

1324
01:32:12.800 --> 01:32:15.359
two mega companies dominate the entire scene, so only they can own it all.

1325
01:32:16.119 --> 01:32:19.079
You only get one or the other
and no other companies even make a

1326
01:32:19.159 --> 01:32:25.000
dent in their share like A and
W or RC Cola or as for that

1327
01:32:25.079 --> 01:32:30.199
matter, it's right. I've also
been told that the whole Paul Orndorff incident

1328
01:32:30.319 --> 01:32:31.720
was a bit of a setup,
as someone was looking for a reason to

1329
01:32:31.800 --> 01:32:38.239
put me in the doghouse and keep
Flair and Hogan happy awesome knocked down.

1330
01:32:38.279 --> 01:32:42.199
A step after the thunder Caage,
executives took me out of the main event

1331
01:32:42.279 --> 01:32:44.840
scene. I knew it was coming, and it bugged me. I knew

1332
01:32:45.479 --> 01:32:47.840
not to say anything, but I
figured maybe I could make my actions speak

1333
01:32:47.920 --> 01:32:51.119
louder than words in the ring and
force them to keep me in the mix.

1334
01:32:51.319 --> 01:32:58.039
The Thundercage was him and Flair at
the prior years super Brawl. Yeah,

1335
01:32:58.560 --> 01:33:02.039
and also the hold on so in
the little you know, the thing

1336
01:33:02.119 --> 01:33:06.479
that comes from the kindle it sah, yeah, this is white leon,

1337
01:33:06.600 --> 01:33:11.600
you know, walking on walking on
hot waffles. I don't know what that's

1338
01:33:11.600 --> 01:33:15.039
about. What the does that mean? No, I don't know. Eating

1339
01:33:15.119 --> 01:33:21.199
hot waffles is more like it butter
and syrup, you know, like most

1340
01:33:21.239 --> 01:33:24.880
people get like you know, if
you order a waffle at a restaurant,

1341
01:33:24.920 --> 01:33:30.199
you get one but but you know, Vader wants to like a like a

1342
01:33:30.279 --> 01:33:34.319
stat stack in case but with waffles
though, and just like completely soaked in

1343
01:33:34.479 --> 01:33:40.359
sky. Yeah yeah, like five
waffles high. What are you doing?

1344
01:33:40.479 --> 01:33:43.880
Man? Eating it? It's like, I mean, I love waffles,

1345
01:33:43.880 --> 01:33:46.680
but come on, dude, stop
it. I love that this guy don't

1346
01:33:46.680 --> 01:33:49.680
even do this and we just go
I mean, I love waffles, dude,

1347
01:33:49.680 --> 01:33:51.960
but stop it. He didn't do
anything. It was all made up.

1348
01:33:53.000 --> 01:33:58.079
We've made it up, telling him
to stop it, like he's trying

1349
01:33:58.079 --> 01:34:01.199
to get something in under the door. You know. I heard the stories,

1350
01:34:01.399 --> 01:34:05.920
all right. I've heard the stories
of him at fat Camp and absolutely

1351
01:34:06.159 --> 01:34:10.960
you know, running out to get
fucking what a burger in and out whatever

1352
01:34:11.000 --> 01:34:14.800
the fuck it is. In the
Stark title match, they put me over

1353
01:34:14.880 --> 01:34:17.039
dug In to win the US title. It was kind of cool having this

1354
01:34:17.159 --> 01:34:20.359
title, as it gave me back
some recognition from the fans. But just

1355
01:34:20.439 --> 01:34:24.439
when things started to show a little
hope for me, I was forced to

1356
01:34:24.560 --> 01:34:29.239
end my on screen alliance with Harley
Race In January of nineteen ninety five.

1357
01:34:29.359 --> 01:34:31.920
Harley was in a pretty bad car
accident and forced to leave WCW to recover

1358
01:34:33.039 --> 01:34:38.279
Harley's drinking had caught up with him. He retired from wrestling around nineteen ninety

1359
01:34:38.319 --> 01:34:40.920
one, and I'm pretty sure that
took a toll on him. Without the

1360
01:34:41.000 --> 01:34:45.079
rigors of the job, he worked
out less and ballooned up to more than

1361
01:34:45.159 --> 01:34:48.039
three hundred pounds. I knew gain
the weight pissed him off. Leaving the

1362
01:34:48.119 --> 01:34:53.680
spotlight also depressed him, so I
think he took to the bottle even more.

1363
01:34:54.159 --> 01:34:57.760
Without the physical side of the business
anymore. To neutralize his avid alcohol

1364
01:34:57.920 --> 01:35:02.279
consumption, Harley just drank whatever he
wanted. Yes, there was no match

1365
01:35:02.880 --> 01:35:06.720
the next day he needed to worry
about. I think Harley realized he was

1366
01:35:06.760 --> 01:35:11.159
only going to play second fiddle from
now on. The fact that he was

1367
01:35:11.199 --> 01:35:14.479
out there in front of those people
performing in the ring may have made him

1368
01:35:14.479 --> 01:35:16.960
feel old. And Harley was a
proud man. He was revered as being

1369
01:35:17.000 --> 01:35:20.399
one of the toughest guys in the
industry and probably didn't like this change.

1370
01:35:21.119 --> 01:35:25.199
After sticking around the business for a
few years as a manager, promoting the

1371
01:35:25.319 --> 01:35:30.000
stars such as Lex Luger, Steve
Austin, and myself had all wound down

1372
01:35:30.279 --> 01:35:33.359
to a horrible finish. After one
night of drinking, his sorrow away.

1373
01:35:33.399 --> 01:35:38.760
In January ninety five, he crashed
his car into a concrete barrier near Kansas

1374
01:35:38.800 --> 01:35:44.239
City. The impact fractured his forearm
and crushed his hip. Harley Race hasn't

1375
01:35:44.279 --> 01:35:46.319
set a foot, hasn't said foot
in a big league wrestling ring since,

1376
01:35:46.680 --> 01:35:51.239
except for a few minor cameos.
The news of this unfortunate accident crushed me

1377
01:35:51.319 --> 01:35:56.000
as well. I felt horrible that
was the that this was the end for

1378
01:35:56.119 --> 01:35:59.399
him. Not only was I emotionally
hurt for him, but selfishly I knew

1379
01:35:59.439 --> 01:36:03.000
my career I would suffer as well. It was then that I realized that

1380
01:36:03.079 --> 01:36:06.479
he had played a big role in
keeping me going behind the scenes. I

1381
01:36:06.560 --> 01:36:10.720
also felt bad for his family,
whom I had grown close to for many

1382
01:36:10.800 --> 01:36:14.600
years. Turns out that Harley fought
battles for me that I didn't even know

1383
01:36:14.760 --> 01:36:18.439
existed. He squashed heat I may
have received for being too stiff. He

1384
01:36:18.560 --> 01:36:23.000
squashed heat for me saying something I
didn't mean from having a short fuse.

1385
01:36:23.359 --> 01:36:29.680
He kept my brand alive in WCW
and well into the spotlight. He was

1386
01:36:29.680 --> 01:36:31.920
such an advocate for me that when
he was gone, I could tell right

1387
01:36:31.960 --> 01:36:35.680
away that his absence was the beginning
of the end For me, Harley was

1388
01:36:35.720 --> 01:36:40.520
the political guy in our team,
and with him gone, I was left

1389
01:36:40.560 --> 01:36:45.760
to float alone in a sea of
politics where I unfortunately didn't know how to

1390
01:36:45.840 --> 01:36:48.880
swim. Looking back, I have
to give Harley all the banks in the

1391
01:36:48.960 --> 01:36:54.840
world. He really was a mentor
and looked out for me when nobody else

1392
01:36:54.880 --> 01:37:00.520
would. Thanks Harley. At first, Eric Bischoff didn't know much about the

1393
01:37:00.520 --> 01:37:02.600
business. He couldn't find his ass
with both hands as far as wrestling was

1394
01:37:02.640 --> 01:37:05.840
concerned. Back then, the thing
that Eric had going for him was that

1395
01:37:06.079 --> 01:37:12.760
he was smart. Eric was intelligent
and well spoken, and a good looking

1396
01:37:12.800 --> 01:37:15.439
guy on camera. I mean that's
what he was hired for because he looked

1397
01:37:15.439 --> 01:37:26.880
like a mannequin Vader's awesome. Before
he became the executive producer of television for

1398
01:37:27.279 --> 01:37:30.159
ww he may not have known much
about running a major wrestling promotion, but

1399
01:37:30.319 --> 01:37:33.119
you can bet he had a plan
on how he was going to learn it.

1400
01:37:36.000 --> 01:37:47.840
That plan involved listening to only one
person. Investing your time and energy

1401
01:37:47.920 --> 01:37:51.279
to learn from one of the highest
earning wrestlers of all time only made sense.

1402
01:37:51.359 --> 01:38:01.039
Hey Hogan knows best, right,
brother? What I mean? You

1403
01:38:01.119 --> 01:38:04.560
said it? Brother? I don't. I mean yes, I mean I

1404
01:38:04.680 --> 01:38:09.159
do. I thank you for you
know, reaffirming that, Brother, But

1405
01:38:10.079 --> 01:38:13.079
what's the dis I send them some
sarcasm? Dude? You want to do

1406
01:38:13.159 --> 01:38:16.359
something about it? Are you?
Are you like? Are you unhappy?

1407
01:38:16.399 --> 01:38:18.880
Brother? Is that what you're telling
me? Dude, you're not pleased with

1408
01:38:19.680 --> 01:38:25.920
with the way Hulk Hogan's time taking
things to dude? Mm hmmm, Hogan's

1409
01:38:26.000 --> 01:38:30.800
kind of what things? Kind of
taking things? Dude? Did you call

1410
01:38:30.000 --> 01:38:33.960
Hr? Brother? Have you called
Turner Hr? Dude? Dude? Are

1411
01:38:33.960 --> 01:38:42.720
you Leon? Have you have you
have you sit down with Ted? Dude?

1412
01:38:42.920 --> 01:38:46.720
Right? Are you talking Turner brother? Because you know one of the

1413
01:38:46.800 --> 01:38:49.079
things in my contract? I don't
know if you know this Leon has Anybody

1414
01:38:49.079 --> 01:38:51.439
who talks to Ted has to go
through me first. I mean I have

1415
01:38:51.640 --> 01:38:57.359
exclusive rights to Ted Turner Brother to
my contract. Dude, Dude, I

1416
01:38:57.920 --> 01:39:01.439
have accessibility and nobody else supposed to
have accessibility without me knowing about getting his

1417
01:39:01.520 --> 01:39:06.600
calendar? Brother? Are you you
talk you talk Turkey Brother? Talk about

1418
01:39:06.680 --> 01:39:10.239
dude? Did you talk Turkey?
Dude? I don't bullshit me, brother,

1419
01:39:10.239 --> 01:39:13.720
I already know that was just a
test. Brother. You're sitting opposite

1420
01:39:14.720 --> 01:39:17.239
You don't listen. I'm gonna tell
you what right now. Brother, Your

1421
01:39:17.399 --> 01:39:23.920
silence, Dude is loud, speaks
volumes. Dude speaks volumes. Brother,

1422
01:39:24.279 --> 01:39:26.600
what did you talk to Ted about? Brother? Come on, dude,

1423
01:39:26.800 --> 01:39:30.680
open up, talk turkey. I'm
listen, I'm listen. I want all

1424
01:39:30.760 --> 01:39:32.359
right, hold on, hold well
it was around Thanksgiving? I want I

1425
01:39:32.399 --> 01:39:34.520
want doll listening back? Brother?
I like, what, wait? What

1426
01:39:35.840 --> 01:39:39.239
you talk Thanksgiving? Dude? I
thought it was in jail. Wait?

1427
01:39:39.399 --> 01:39:43.039
Whoa whoak? Meaning I don't know
about on top of this one, dude,

1428
01:39:43.079 --> 01:39:46.560
Brother, whoa whoa? Whoa?
I mean we're talking, dude.

1429
01:39:46.720 --> 01:39:49.560
Now we're talking between Halloween, Havoc
and starkad. Brother, So you're already

1430
01:39:49.560 --> 01:39:54.319
talking to Ted talking about during this
time, Dude, what what's going on?

1431
01:39:54.479 --> 01:39:57.279
Do you talk about Ted about Flair
not losing to me in the cage?

1432
01:39:57.319 --> 01:39:59.880
Brother? Are you talking about Flair
coming back and rolling me up at

1433
01:40:00.039 --> 01:40:08.479
starka? Brother, Terry, I
went to dead Turner's office and talk to

1434
01:40:08.600 --> 01:40:16.520
him about Rick Flair rolling you up
at Starkate. That'd be funny. Has

1435
01:40:16.560 --> 01:40:21.520
a contractual right to see Ted's calendar
and anytime anyone from WW is in that

1436
01:40:21.680 --> 01:40:26.640
room, he gets a call immediately
from Hulk Cogan. Dude, dude,

1437
01:40:26.920 --> 01:40:30.560
I'll see that we got did you
see that? Have you got? Can

1438
01:40:30.600 --> 01:40:34.840
you pull up? You pull up
Ted's calendar? Brother. I want to

1439
01:40:34.920 --> 01:40:36.359
just take a look, you know, dude, I want to see what's

1440
01:40:36.359 --> 01:40:45.199
going on, dude, see who's
kind of taking meetings? Brother, if

1441
01:40:45.199 --> 01:40:47.319
it was today, like you know, you have like a virtual session with

1442
01:40:47.399 --> 01:40:51.479
Ted, because of course he'd be
in the mountain somewhere for all of his

1443
01:40:51.640 --> 01:40:57.600
calls, with like a taxidermy behind
him, hanging from the balcony, and

1444
01:40:57.720 --> 01:41:01.680
he's like, you know, he
opens up the t there and Ted,

1445
01:41:02.279 --> 01:41:10.800
how you doing? Leon? I
love there now A big fan of that,

1446
01:41:11.159 --> 01:41:15.760
and I love everything that's going on
down in w C. So he's

1447
01:41:15.079 --> 01:41:18.439
so Ted's taking up all the screen. Leon's in the bottom right corner,

1448
01:41:18.439 --> 01:41:24.039
and then all of a sudden,
the top right corner that's Hogan. Just

1449
01:41:24.199 --> 01:41:30.199
look at it the screen. I
just want to say, dude, I

1450
01:41:30.239 --> 01:41:34.359
don't listen. First of all,
hello everybody, good morning. Appreciate everyone

1451
01:41:34.439 --> 01:41:38.439
being on the zoom call. Dude, I just want to say I'm a

1452
01:41:38.520 --> 01:41:43.960
little I'm a little concerned over the
amount of meetings that Ted's been Ted is

1453
01:41:44.000 --> 01:41:47.359
taking you know. I mean,
I'm looking at I'm looking at his calendar

1454
01:41:47.439 --> 01:41:51.359
right now, brother, and we're
talking. First of all, Leon has

1455
01:41:51.399 --> 01:41:55.239
a meeting, Dude. I see
that Dugan has a meeting with him.

1456
01:41:55.239 --> 01:41:58.600
Brother, I dug him. What's
what's going on? Dude? What do

1457
01:41:58.640 --> 01:42:00.479
you what do you have to talk
to Ted about exactly that you can't just

1458
01:42:00.520 --> 01:42:03.279
talk to me about. I mean, I see that that that Randy's going

1459
01:42:03.359 --> 01:42:06.239
to talk with him, brother,
I'll see that. I'll see that Johnny

1460
01:42:06.239 --> 01:42:10.600
b Bad's gonna like Meryll's gonna go
to meeting with him. Brother. This

1461
01:42:10.720 --> 01:42:13.119
is all I just want to know, dude, what's going on with Marrow?

1462
01:42:13.199 --> 01:42:15.359
Dude? What where do you get
off booking a meeting with Ted Turner?

1463
01:42:15.439 --> 01:42:20.680
Brother? Did you meeting or are
you meeting to book? Did you?

1464
01:42:20.920 --> 01:42:26.439
I mean, are you getting Wait
a minute, maybe we should take

1465
01:42:26.479 --> 01:42:30.960
this, you know, off offline. Let me everybody, dude, I

1466
01:42:31.600 --> 01:42:41.039
think everyone wants to know. Brother, you're getting a push. I mean,

1467
01:42:41.479 --> 01:42:43.880
I'm just gonna say, dude,
if you're getting a push, that's

1468
01:42:44.039 --> 01:42:47.039
that's that's news to me, brother, because nobody they didn't cross my desk.

1469
01:42:47.119 --> 01:42:53.239
Brother, you know what I mean? Yes, Mark, Marrow if

1470
01:42:53.279 --> 01:43:06.600
he's getting a push Hulk Scott like
the Yeah. Everyone everyone's in a very

1471
01:43:06.680 --> 01:43:11.359
professional like zoom cam like static,
you know, at a high level.

1472
01:43:11.640 --> 01:43:14.560
Hogan's is like under his nostrils on
like a phone, right, yeah,

1473
01:43:14.600 --> 01:43:18.319
yeah, yeah, he's like in
the car. You know, I got

1474
01:43:18.800 --> 01:43:23.079
you know, I got my laptop
here. Brother. I'm just I wish

1475
01:43:23.079 --> 01:43:25.640
you could see me too, because
I'm I'm I got. I'm like taking

1476
01:43:25.680 --> 01:43:27.800
my glasses off and putting them back
on. I got the end of my

1477
01:43:27.920 --> 01:43:32.560
nose, you know, like I
just you know, I'm just I just

1478
01:43:32.640 --> 01:43:38.079
think it's more important that we have
clarity, dude, in regards to you

1479
01:43:38.159 --> 01:43:42.640
know, the the way w CW
is gonna be run. And i'd listen.

1480
01:43:42.920 --> 01:43:45.439
I trust Ted, I trust easy
brother, and I need to trust

1481
01:43:45.479 --> 01:43:50.039
everyone else, dude. But I
don't know if I can can I trust

1482
01:43:50.079 --> 01:43:54.039
you guys. I don't know Vader
I'm gonna get because I don't know what

1483
01:43:54.680 --> 01:43:56.880
bad I'm dude, I don't know
which Vader I'm going to get. Problem

1484
01:43:56.920 --> 01:43:59.399
I getting super Vader? Am I
getting Big Van Vader? Am I getting

1485
01:43:59.680 --> 01:44:01.239
Vader Vader? Dude? You what
what are you telling? Leon? Tell

1486
01:44:01.279 --> 01:44:03.720
me? Who am I getting by
getting baby balls. See, you don't

1487
01:44:03.720 --> 01:44:11.039
even fucking know, dude. That's
the problem. Brother, dude, brother,

1488
01:44:11.720 --> 01:44:14.279
you know what, dude, Let
me, dude, let me tell

1489
01:44:14.279 --> 01:44:16.800
you something. Vader, you muted
yourself, Brother, your muted, your

1490
01:44:16.920 --> 01:44:24.000
mutedness spoke volumes all right, dude, because you don't even know which Vader

1491
01:44:24.000 --> 01:44:26.279
I'm going to get. I'll tell
you what's not muted. Brother, And

1492
01:44:26.399 --> 01:44:29.880
that's the voices in my head telling
me that something's amiss here, dude.

1493
01:44:29.880 --> 01:44:31.720
I want to tell someone. I'm
going to tell you something, Dude,

1494
01:44:31.800 --> 01:44:36.520
what's not muted? Dude? Are
the millions of Hulk maniacs out there saying

1495
01:44:36.600 --> 01:44:44.279
Hulk Hogan, you're number one brother, Ichi Bond Hogan Son exactly? And

1496
01:44:44.399 --> 01:44:47.479
here you are getting on Ted Turner's
calendar. Dude, I just don't understand.

1497
01:44:48.760 --> 01:44:50.680
First, I don't. I don't, Brother, I'm not I'm not

1498
01:44:50.800 --> 01:44:57.039
seeing sign saying Ichi Bon Vader Son
brother right exactly. Like So if you're

1499
01:44:57.239 --> 01:45:01.560
if you're not Ichi Bon and I'm
Echi Bond, how come how come you're

1500
01:45:01.560 --> 01:45:05.960
getting in with Ted dude and I
don't know about him? Brother? I

1501
01:45:06.079 --> 01:45:11.039
have to approve all of Ted's meetings
from wrestling side, of course, to

1502
01:45:11.119 --> 01:45:14.359
be respectful. No, brother,
dude, I listen, it's in my

1503
01:45:14.439 --> 01:45:18.319
contract that I have. I have
meeting approval for all of Ted's meetings,

1504
01:45:18.399 --> 01:45:23.720
dude, because I don't know who's
coming in to to fuck with the Hulk

1505
01:45:23.760 --> 01:45:29.560
Hogan. Maybe Terry. I'm like
fast forward apartment rewind a year before when

1506
01:45:29.560 --> 01:45:32.119
they're negotiating. Terry, I'm really
excited about the deal. I think we

1507
01:45:32.399 --> 01:45:35.279
I think you'll find that everything's to
your liking here and that you've got all

1508
01:45:35.279 --> 01:45:38.800
the access you were looking for.
Is there anything else we need to talk

1509
01:45:38.800 --> 01:45:41.640
about before we put our John Hancocks
down? Well, you know, dude,

1510
01:45:41.640 --> 01:45:45.000
I do want to talk to Turkey
about one small thing. You know.

1511
01:45:45.359 --> 01:45:49.680
I listen. I understand that WC
is just one, you know,

1512
01:45:49.840 --> 01:45:57.159
one of the companies underneath the giant
turnerom brother an important piece, one piece.

1513
01:45:57.159 --> 01:45:59.760
Abslutely, dude, I totally get
that, Brother, It's one piece.

1514
01:46:00.239 --> 01:46:02.800
So I do have one major concern, maybe a minor concern to you,

1515
01:46:02.920 --> 01:46:05.600
but it's a major concern to me, brother, because I have to

1516
01:46:05.720 --> 01:46:09.920
you know, I'm not even thinking
about just Hulk Hogan. I'm not thinking

1517
01:46:09.920 --> 01:46:13.840
about Terry Blaya brother and his family. Dude, I'm not even talking about

1518
01:46:14.000 --> 01:46:16.319
c W. There's something else that's
kind of on a bigger, grander scale

1519
01:46:16.399 --> 01:46:19.479
that also is my concern. Now
again, I'm telling you, I'm thinking

1520
01:46:19.479 --> 01:46:23.520
about Hulk Hogan, I'm thinking about
Terry Bulla, I'm thinking about w CW.

1521
01:46:23.920 --> 01:46:30.920
But I also go to worry about
hull Comania. A proposal for what

1522
01:46:31.239 --> 01:46:35.239
I do, brother, I I
I don't think it's not fair, brother,

1523
01:46:35.560 --> 01:46:40.079
and we can talk about this,
but I think it's important that I

1524
01:46:40.279 --> 01:46:45.760
have say over everyone who wants to
schedule a meeting with you, because I

1525
01:46:45.880 --> 01:46:49.279
don't know who's coming in saying oh
yeah, you know what, Oh yeah,

1526
01:46:49.319 --> 01:46:54.279
I'm uh, I'm coming in due
to talk to talk to CNN.

1527
01:46:54.399 --> 01:46:58.279
Brother, I'm I'm fucking here's here's
Robert Wiener coming in. Dude, I'm

1528
01:46:58.319 --> 01:47:00.680
gonna hear talk CNN. You know, But how do I know Robert Wiener

1529
01:47:00.800 --> 01:47:06.600
isn't actually trying to roll up heul
Covian exactly exactly, all right, So

1530
01:47:06.840 --> 01:47:10.199
this is what we get. I
need to kind of like lay things out,

1531
01:47:10.279 --> 01:47:12.880
Dude. I got to kind of
figure out and I want to do.

1532
01:47:13.239 --> 01:47:15.720
You know, whenever you got to
get someone you know, trying to

1533
01:47:15.880 --> 01:47:17.560
try to book you for a meeting. Brother. I just want to have

1534
01:47:17.800 --> 01:47:21.560
about a week or so to get
an approval, brother, so I can

1535
01:47:21.640 --> 01:47:26.479
take my guys. I can have
easy ease a couple of people. Dude,

1536
01:47:26.479 --> 01:47:28.760
you know I got I'll have dug
in on this thing too, Brother,

1537
01:47:28.920 --> 01:47:30.600
kind of like go through, do
a little bit of a background check,

1538
01:47:30.720 --> 01:47:33.600
dude, see what's going on,
See where they lie, where their

1539
01:47:33.640 --> 01:47:36.840
allegiances lie. And then when you
get the okay, then you can actually

1540
01:47:36.840 --> 01:47:46.119
schedule a date with these guys.
Why because I have to worry about Hulco

1541
01:47:46.239 --> 01:48:00.479
mania unbelievably good stuff. Wimi was
at a corporate structure. Yeah, okay,

1542
01:48:00.520 --> 01:48:02.640
we get it. So let's have
some fun. Let's have some fucking

1543
01:48:02.760 --> 01:48:10.560
fun with it. Please carry on
from Vader's boken. Oh yes, water

1544
01:48:12.560 --> 01:48:21.840
water U mannequin, uh investigator,
that's right. The problem was by,

1545
01:48:23.199 --> 01:48:26.800
however, by shifting gears and becoming
a full time hulk of maniac himself and

1546
01:48:26.920 --> 01:48:30.000
turning your back on everybody else,
he forgot about who had got him to

1547
01:48:30.079 --> 01:48:34.159
the dance at all. The main
reason why he was considered to become the

1548
01:48:34.239 --> 01:48:39.800
top man was all the hard work
of Cactus, Jack Sting, Rick Flair,

1549
01:48:40.000 --> 01:48:44.520
Ron Simmons, Rick Rude and said
vicious the whole WCW group before the

1550
01:48:44.600 --> 01:48:48.199
Hulk Cogan era. Some people behind
the scenes today say that if you look

1551
01:48:48.239 --> 01:48:53.000
at the ratings during the time before
Hulk Hogan, the nWo, the Monday

1552
01:48:53.079 --> 01:48:56.920
Night Wars and all that WCW was
more profitable because they obviously had a lot

1553
01:48:57.000 --> 01:49:00.720
less money and salaries going out.
You know what I mean, Hulk.

1554
01:49:00.920 --> 01:49:04.079
When Hulk first got to WCW,
he seemed great. He was real nice

1555
01:49:04.119 --> 01:49:06.720
and polite, He was cool with
all the boys and seemed to be sincere.

1556
01:49:09.039 --> 01:49:12.239
Well did we know that he was
obviously really working on winning over one

1557
01:49:12.319 --> 01:49:16.479
person behind the scenes, the only
one needed who really could get him over

1558
01:49:16.600 --> 01:49:24.079
by winning, Eric Bischoff. Once
he got in with Eric real quick,

1559
01:49:25.079 --> 01:49:30.399
everything changed. When Hogan first came
in, it was perceived as a positive

1560
01:49:30.439 --> 01:49:35.880
and people believed it was what would
be good for business. However, he

1561
01:49:36.000 --> 01:49:40.800
lobed me to go over clean on
Rick Flair. That booking certainly didn't help

1562
01:49:40.840 --> 01:49:44.479
Flair. After Hogan destroyed him four
times in a row, which made him

1563
01:49:44.479 --> 01:49:47.239
which made absolutely no sense to do
so early. Eric let him then hand

1564
01:49:47.279 --> 01:49:53.439
select his next opponent more politics to
get his buddy some main event pay per

1565
01:49:53.520 --> 01:49:59.359
view money. Hogan chose The Butcher
aka Brutus Beefcake. This match drew horrible

1566
01:49:59.399 --> 01:50:01.199
money out a payd review, and
the fans boot Hogan the whole match.

1567
01:50:02.000 --> 01:50:04.920
After that fiasco, they decided to
call me in to save the day.

1568
01:50:05.439 --> 01:50:09.279
Harley was hurt, so Flair was
sort of acting as my manager in a

1569
01:50:09.319 --> 01:50:13.760
storyline twist to end their program.
Flair lost a retirement match to Hogan in

1570
01:50:13.800 --> 01:50:18.159
October ninety four. He came back
in a few months oh a few months

1571
01:50:18.239 --> 01:50:21.159
later to just sit in the crowd
in interfer in matches, then to keep

1572
01:50:21.239 --> 01:50:25.279
him in the top heel scene with
me for about two months. He started

1573
01:50:25.359 --> 01:50:28.880
managing me. It made me very
It made very little sense to me at

1574
01:50:28.880 --> 01:50:31.800
the time, because we technically should
have hated each other still on TV.

1575
01:50:32.359 --> 01:50:34.800
Other than the idea that the enemy
of my enemy is my friend, I

1576
01:50:34.880 --> 01:50:39.359
couldn't think of anything else to justify
the logic, and I was part of

1577
01:50:39.399 --> 01:50:43.680
the storyline. I saw what Hogan
got away with working with Flair. I

1578
01:50:43.760 --> 01:50:46.279
knew it was bad, so I
told anyone who would listen to me exactly

1579
01:50:46.600 --> 01:50:49.800
just what I thought people knew.
I wasn't happy about what I was seeing

1580
01:50:49.840 --> 01:50:56.000
with Hogan falling back into the undefeatable
pattern he enjoyed in the WWE. I

1581
01:50:56.079 --> 01:51:00.560
had no problem with letting word get
out about what I thought. Back then,

1582
01:51:00.640 --> 01:51:02.760
there was no Internet to post behind
the scenes wrestling gossip and all.

1583
01:51:03.159 --> 01:51:06.920
There were there were weekly newsletters that
smart fans subscribe to. However, to

1584
01:51:08.000 --> 01:51:11.039
get the dirt. A bunch of
these dirt sheets, like The Torch and

1585
01:51:11.079 --> 01:51:15.720
The Observer were saying that I was
going to an essence shoot on Hull Cogan

1586
01:51:15.359 --> 01:51:19.399
and hurt him to get out of
the picture because I had enough of how

1587
01:51:19.479 --> 01:51:23.479
I was being booked. Brother,
Can you come here for a second.

1588
01:51:23.520 --> 01:51:26.560
I got the Torch here. I
just want to say. The torches came

1589
01:51:26.600 --> 01:51:30.720
in, dude. Let's conference calling
five, dude. This code read brother.

1590
01:51:30.199 --> 01:51:32.600
I just I just want to say, dude, I'm I'm looking here.

1591
01:51:32.680 --> 01:51:38.319
I'm just flipping through that. I
mean, I got both. I

1592
01:51:38.439 --> 01:51:42.880
got both Keller and Meltzer here,
dude on on my desk, dude,

1593
01:51:42.920 --> 01:51:46.399
and they're both talking about Vader shooting
on me. Brother, I mean literally

1594
01:51:46.439 --> 01:51:49.319
that's what it says here. How
am I what did I sign up for

1595
01:51:49.479 --> 01:51:51.840
dude? You told me this was
a safe place to work, brother,

1596
01:51:53.199 --> 01:51:55.560
and now I'm reading this stuff.
What kind of what kind of ship you're

1597
01:51:55.600 --> 01:51:58.079
running? I never had to deal
with this ship with Vince. Dude.

1598
01:51:58.560 --> 01:52:02.840
Brother, what who's gonna shoot on? Are you serious right now? Brother?

1599
01:52:03.359 --> 01:52:08.279
Dude? I'm I'm I'm talking about
my livelihood, dude, and he's

1600
01:52:08.319 --> 01:52:12.920
gonna shoot on my safetume. We're
talking about a fucking mad gunman, brother,

1601
01:52:14.479 --> 01:52:16.800
fucking sniper, dude, Vader gonna
shoot? Dude? Is he going

1602
01:52:16.840 --> 01:52:20.159
to shoot? Did you tell him
to shoot? I don't know who to

1603
01:52:20.199 --> 01:52:25.880
trust at this point. Brother.
All right, brother, let's kind of

1604
01:52:25.920 --> 01:52:29.039
like just cut it down the middle
day. All right, let's take this

1605
01:52:29.199 --> 01:52:35.560
thing one step. But it's his
brother. Did you tell Vader to shoot

1606
01:52:35.560 --> 01:52:40.600
on me? Brother? Yes?
Is this an easy thing? Dude?

1607
01:52:40.760 --> 01:52:44.039
I don't want to hear he's not
going to I want to know did you

1608
01:52:44.119 --> 01:52:45.880
tell him to I don't I don't
want to know if it's a yes or

1609
01:52:46.000 --> 01:52:48.720
no on what he's going to do. I want to know where the order

1610
01:52:48.800 --> 01:52:53.479
came from, brother, because we
all know Vader doesn't work alone. Did

1611
01:52:53.520 --> 01:52:58.119
you give the orders? Dude?
Did you give the orders? Did Turner

1612
01:52:58.199 --> 01:53:00.560
tell you to give the order?
Brother? I heard he was meeting with

1613
01:53:00.920 --> 01:53:03.760
going on two weeks ago. Brother, listen, dude, and you listen.

1614
01:53:03.880 --> 01:53:09.680
You know what he was vetted,
dude, and he came out legit.

1615
01:53:09.960 --> 01:53:12.840
This meeting came out legit. Brother. I don't have any concerns,

1616
01:53:13.079 --> 01:53:16.600
but now I have concerns. What
happened was that after the after the meeting

1617
01:53:16.680 --> 01:53:19.560
was over, they found a way
through back channels due to communicate that maybe

1618
01:53:19.600 --> 01:53:26.039
you might might shoot on hul Hook
and at super Brow. Now they're also

1619
01:53:26.159 --> 01:53:30.119
leaking it to the Torch and to
Meltzer. Dude, what's going on?

1620
01:53:30.359 --> 01:53:34.640
Brother? Time to level would be, dude, enough of the gaga,

1621
01:53:35.319 --> 01:53:38.840
enough hide the ball? All right? Yeah, dude, you know what,

1622
01:53:38.920 --> 01:53:42.439
I'm tired of playing games, Brother, I'm trying. I'm tired of

1623
01:53:42.560 --> 01:53:47.079
playing hide the salami, Dude,
I'm tired of playing you know the way,

1624
01:53:49.680 --> 01:53:54.039
you know, roll the skateboard down
the street right exactly. I've been

1625
01:53:54.119 --> 01:53:59.680
I've seen them all. I played
all the games. Brother, what's going

1626
01:53:59.720 --> 01:54:04.319
on? Answer the goddamn question?
When did you tell Vader to shoot on

1627
01:54:04.439 --> 01:54:06.960
me? Brother? How did you
tell Vader to shoot at me, brother,

1628
01:54:08.239 --> 01:54:11.640
And how did you tell and what
did you tell Brother Vader to do

1629
01:54:11.920 --> 01:54:15.760
to shoot on me? Dude?
Bischoff decides the hell with that. He's

1630
01:54:15.800 --> 01:54:18.439
not gonna believe you anyway, so
just leans in, Terry. I told

1631
01:54:18.479 --> 01:54:23.560
him two weeks ago to attack your
ankle during the match and try to snap

1632
01:54:23.600 --> 01:54:28.119
it like Matt Suita did. I'm
sorry. I feel you rowed the truth,

1633
01:54:33.680 --> 01:54:35.479
you know, dude. I want
to say something right now, brother.

1634
01:54:40.880 --> 01:54:43.199
What you did just now, dude, was the hardest thing I can

1635
01:54:43.239 --> 01:54:47.279
imagine you doing, brother, And
you told the truth, and I'm sure

1636
01:54:47.399 --> 01:54:51.680
makes you feel good. Dude,
you have to realize the burden you just

1637
01:54:51.720 --> 01:54:55.159
put on me. You put a
burden on me, brother. But I'll

1638
01:54:55.199 --> 01:54:57.760
tell you what you know. What
I know now, dude, is that

1639
01:54:57.840 --> 01:55:01.760
I know that Eric Bischoff's gonna have
whole hoo ah. That's what I believe,

1640
01:55:01.840 --> 01:55:05.159
dude. And if you got my
back, brother, I got your

1641
01:55:05.319 --> 01:55:13.520
backs me and Brudhist dude, friends
of the end, dude, And I'll

1642
01:55:13.680 --> 01:55:18.319
fucking pump blood into your veins.
Brother. He's going to shoot on you

1643
01:55:18.399 --> 01:55:26.880
in the first two minutes. See, here's the thing, dude, Here's

1644
01:55:26.880 --> 01:55:30.760
what here's the thing, dude,
you can't. I'm not going to tell

1645
01:55:30.760 --> 01:55:31.880
me you told me, brother,
So we're going to kind of play it

1646
01:55:31.920 --> 01:55:36.199
out like everything's going along. And
then I know that Vader's going to shoot

1647
01:55:36.199 --> 01:55:41.359
on me, brother, so then
we can I can surprise him with you

1648
01:55:41.439 --> 01:55:43.800
know, he tries to surprise me, and I surprise him on the surprise,

1649
01:55:44.800 --> 01:55:46.760
right, you know, we get
that old crime Frank Ruski going on

1650
01:55:46.920 --> 01:55:58.119
brother, make him pass out like
a fucking comedian. Dude. What what

1651
01:55:59.800 --> 01:56:01.560
so Terry goes into the ring with
a fucking exacto knife, but he never

1652
01:56:01.640 --> 01:56:08.880
has to use it because it was
all bullshit. I just want to say,

1653
01:56:09.159 --> 01:56:15.319
I got my blade. I'm gonna
say leon dude, all right,

1654
01:56:15.560 --> 01:56:16.880
look at me in the eyebrother,
I got my blades on me, dude,

1655
01:56:18.159 --> 01:56:20.760
just so you know before you try
anything, dude, you want to

1656
01:56:20.760 --> 01:56:24.680
try something, dude, if you
try to try anything on me, brother,

1657
01:56:24.760 --> 01:56:28.600
that we haven't planned, that we
haven't choreygraphed. Dude, actually know

1658
01:56:28.600 --> 01:56:31.840
what you does? Grab grabs the
fucking microphone? All right, dude,

1659
01:56:32.039 --> 01:56:39.359
commaniacs. I want to tell you
something, brother, Big Van Vader over

1660
01:56:39.479 --> 01:56:43.159
here, dude, he was going
to try to pull something on Hulk Hogan.

1661
01:56:44.199 --> 01:56:46.840
He was gonna kind of go behind
Hulk Hogan's back. Brother. He

1662
01:56:47.039 --> 01:56:51.399
told Eric Bischoff, Dude. He
told Ted Turner brother that he was not

1663
01:56:51.560 --> 01:56:57.159
gonna go through with the choreography and
the plan finished, dude, that he

1664
01:56:57.279 --> 01:57:00.359
was gonna shoot on Hulk Hogan and
stab me in the back. Brother.

1665
01:57:00.840 --> 01:57:05.399
Well, I could tell you right
now, dude. The only stabbing happening

1666
01:57:05.399 --> 01:57:09.960
here, brother is gonna be me, because I got a knife right here,

1667
01:57:10.119 --> 01:57:15.800
dude. And if Vader tries,
if Vader tries any ship, brother,

1668
01:57:16.159 --> 01:57:23.119
I'm gonna shank him right in the
fucking fat gut. And what you're

1669
01:57:23.159 --> 01:57:30.159
gonna do, Big Van bitch?
What a pro ba? People just sitting

1670
01:57:30.159 --> 01:57:34.079
there their jaws on the floor.
It has an actual knife in his hand.

1671
01:57:34.399 --> 01:57:40.479
Here's a knife, brother, huh
my Hulk a knife, dude,

1672
01:57:41.920 --> 01:57:48.079
Hulk of blade. Brother, I'm
gonna cut Vader dude the Monday after the

1673
01:57:48.119 --> 01:57:53.319
pay per view, mister Turner,
It's Hull Coconu line two. All right,

1674
01:57:53.399 --> 01:57:56.560
I'll take it, ah, Hulk, how's my pay per view superstar?

1675
01:57:57.800 --> 01:58:00.399
I'm great, dude. I can't
say the same for Vader the brother.

1676
01:58:00.960 --> 01:58:02.960
Oh wow, what happened to him? How's leon? Well, you

1677
01:58:03.039 --> 01:58:05.880
know what, dude, I gotta
say, Brother, I got a little

1678
01:58:05.920 --> 01:58:09.159
nervous, dude, because that meeting
that you had with him, dude,

1679
01:58:09.159 --> 01:58:12.119
and I got word back that he
was actually gonna try some shit in the

1680
01:58:12.199 --> 01:58:14.439
ring. So I had to kill
him, brother, on pay per view

1681
01:58:14.520 --> 01:58:17.439
last night. I hope that's all
right. I hope it's okay, dude.

1682
01:58:20.399 --> 01:58:24.479
Uh okay. I needless to say, you can cancel the rest of

1683
01:58:24.520 --> 01:58:26.920
the meetings you have with him on
the calendar because I know you have something.

1684
01:58:26.920 --> 01:58:29.119
I know, Brother. You told
me you didn't have any, but

1685
01:58:29.239 --> 01:58:30.399
we both know you do. I
know I know you had him, dude.

1686
01:58:30.399 --> 01:58:32.800
I saw your calendar, Brother,
I saw your secret calendar too that

1687
01:58:32.840 --> 01:58:35.079
you wanted you to like to hide
from me today exactly when you don't think

1688
01:58:35.079 --> 01:58:38.600
I know about So I want you
to know, dude, I have eyes

1689
01:58:38.640 --> 01:58:41.840
and ears all over your office.
Brother. I know everything that's going on.

1690
01:58:41.960 --> 01:58:44.119
I know all the ins and outs. I know when you get there.

1691
01:58:45.239 --> 01:58:47.359
I'm the only guy in your roster
that dude. And I'm just gonna

1692
01:58:47.359 --> 01:58:54.560
say, brother, did you keep
up this ship? Brother? Hulk Cogan's

1693
01:58:54.560 --> 01:58:58.199
coming with that turner ass dude.
For now, I'm just gonna tap my

1694
01:58:58.319 --> 01:59:04.279
teeth with the butt end of the
gun. Oh shit, can someone have

1695
01:59:04.359 --> 01:59:15.520
Lei Lally call Terry again? Go
ahead? Uh? In essence, yeah,

1696
01:59:17.319 --> 01:59:25.119
shoot on uh uh shoot, because
I didn't know how that is.

1697
01:59:25.319 --> 01:59:28.279
I am a professional and never went
into a match with the intention of hurting

1698
01:59:28.359 --> 01:59:31.920
someone. Sure, I hurt some
people by accident and was also hurt by

1699
01:59:31.960 --> 01:59:36.079
accident, but I wasn't going in
to actually hurt Hogan. Hurt Hogan Rick

1700
01:59:36.159 --> 01:59:41.039
double cross me for the title of
Starcade. He took Justice's job two days

1701
01:59:41.199 --> 01:59:44.119
before the pay per view, scrapped
all of our plans, and never made

1702
01:59:44.119 --> 01:59:45.920
good with it. Therefore, my
first reaction to being asked to work with

1703
01:59:46.000 --> 01:59:51.279
Hogan was no. I told Eric
I would not recuperate or work with not

1704
01:59:51.359 --> 01:59:54.880
cooperate. Rather, this is Eric, by the way, who said,

1705
01:59:54.880 --> 01:59:57.840
I really think Vader wanted to work
with Hogan, right. And then here's

1706
01:59:57.920 --> 02:00:00.399
Vader in his book saying, when
I was first old being asked to work

1707
02:00:00.399 --> 02:00:04.960
with Hogan, I said no,
no, I would not cooperate or work

1708
02:00:05.039 --> 02:00:09.039
with Hogan at all, with whatever
they wanted to throw at me unless they

1709
02:00:09.079 --> 02:00:13.199
agreed to make good with old promises. I refused to work with him unless

1710
02:00:13.199 --> 02:00:16.119
it meant getting my title back.
Eric didn't like that and really wanted me

1711
02:00:16.199 --> 02:00:19.560
to work with Hogan, so I
got called into a second meeting with Eric.

1712
02:00:20.159 --> 02:00:24.760
At this one, I tried my
hand in politics. Flair screwed me

1713
02:00:25.119 --> 02:00:28.279
on what Dusty and I had agreed, and you still owe me for that.

1714
02:00:28.439 --> 02:00:30.039
I said, not only that,
but you should put the belt off

1715
02:00:30.119 --> 02:00:34.479
Hogan because we don't want to hurt
WW with a long, stale championship like

1716
02:00:34.520 --> 02:00:40.680
they boot Hogan WWE. Eric promised
change, but he wasn't budgeting yet.

1717
02:00:41.359 --> 02:00:43.760
Eric, if you don't want to
go with my idea and do this for

1718
02:00:43.880 --> 02:00:46.159
me, you should do it to
save Hogan's stock and do it for the

1719
02:00:46.239 --> 02:00:53.279
company. I said. At this
point, Hogan was getting totally booed and

1720
02:00:53.359 --> 02:00:57.199
it was obvious that they would soon
have to turn him heel. I was

1721
02:00:57.239 --> 02:01:00.399
getting cheered so hard as he healed
because of how much our fan did not

1722
02:01:00.600 --> 02:01:04.520
like the old idea of the immortal
storyline. They can't be beat Hogan coming

1723
02:01:04.560 --> 02:01:10.680
into our promotion. Uh to tell
just the say the old boring story again

1724
02:01:11.119 --> 02:01:15.079
was a waste of everybody's time.
Also, Hogan was seen as an invading

1725
02:01:15.159 --> 02:01:19.039
Northerner coming into a Southern territory.
The old fans of good old boys southern

1726
02:01:19.079 --> 02:01:24.720
wrastling weren't having it. They hated
his Yankee ass. It soon became more

1727
02:01:24.720 --> 02:01:27.640
and more evident that Hogan would either
it's kind of funny given that he's not

1728
02:01:27.720 --> 02:01:35.239
from I No, he couldn't be
a redneck, right exactly. It soon

1729
02:01:35.319 --> 02:01:39.439
became more and more evident that Hogan
would either need to quit or become a

1730
02:01:39.520 --> 02:01:42.399
heal. I love that. I
love that. This is the obvious thing

1731
02:01:42.479 --> 02:01:47.520
for fucking later, right, Eric
agreed. We both knew by now the

1732
02:01:47.560 --> 02:01:50.479
audience was not buying it, and
that eventually something was going to have to

1733
02:01:50.600 --> 02:01:54.640
change. I didn't want to.
I didn't want to feed into the whole

1734
02:01:54.720 --> 02:01:59.039
Invincible Hulk Hogan booking route. What
I proposed was that with Flare acting like

1735
02:01:59.119 --> 02:02:01.159
my new advisor, I didn't care
how they took the belt from Hogan.

1736
02:02:01.199 --> 02:02:08.199
Flair could shoot him in the back
with a bazuka. Just that we said

1737
02:02:08.239 --> 02:02:12.640
in the fucking interview too. Yeah, yeah, just so, as long

1738
02:02:12.680 --> 02:02:15.439
as it did happen. But Eric
didn't go for it. He did,

1739
02:02:15.520 --> 02:02:18.640
however, throw more money around and
agreed to me not having to job out

1740
02:02:18.760 --> 02:02:23.000
or do any sort of clean finish
for Hogan, which would hurt my character's

1741
02:02:23.039 --> 02:02:26.800
image and lower my stock. Before
our first match of super Bowl five,

1742
02:02:26.840 --> 02:02:30.720
I attacked Hogan in an angle to
promote our upcoming series of matches. Before

1743
02:02:30.760 --> 02:02:32.199
the run in, he said,
brother, you know do you you do

1744
02:02:32.279 --> 02:02:35.359
your finisher to me? Brother,
I'm just gonna lay there get you over

1745
02:02:35.439 --> 02:02:39.960
as a monster. Brother. So
he was supposed to take my finisher and

1746
02:02:40.079 --> 02:02:43.199
lay there out cold, but then
you want to talk about a swerve.

1747
02:02:43.279 --> 02:02:46.840
Hogan got up off of my finish
here to make himself look strong even before

1748
02:02:47.039 --> 02:02:51.079
our series of matches. Nice,
that said, an awesome tone. I

1749
02:02:51.199 --> 02:02:55.319
hit him with the Vader Bomb and
I took and I look over and Hogan

1750
02:02:55.439 --> 02:02:59.319
gets right up like it was nothing, You son of a bitch. I

1751
02:02:59.439 --> 02:03:01.720
said. That was my first experience
with him. I was like, Jesus,

1752
02:03:01.800 --> 02:03:05.119
this is how these guys get over. They lie in, backstab you.

1753
02:03:06.079 --> 02:03:10.880
At Super Brawl, we had an
okay match, Okay rematch, okay

1754
02:03:10.960 --> 02:03:13.199
rematch? How was it a rematch? He's all over the place in this

1755
02:03:13.239 --> 02:03:15.359
book. Yeahs as good as you
can with a guy like Hogan. But

1756
02:03:15.399 --> 02:03:19.119
I'll tell you I made good and
sure to kick out of Hogan's trademark leg

1757
02:03:19.199 --> 02:03:24.520
drop after a one count as a
receipt for the for that nonsense he pulled

1758
02:03:24.560 --> 02:03:30.199
out on me earlier. That was
before before he blew off the finisher.

1759
02:03:30.239 --> 02:03:32.359
But I guess he's talking about clashing
the champions, which if you watch it

1760
02:03:32.479 --> 02:03:36.439
is very clearly something Vader sees coming
the way he sets up the clothesline over

1761
02:03:36.520 --> 02:03:41.119
three sixty over the floor after even
gets up. Yeah, I'm telling you,

1762
02:03:41.239 --> 02:03:49.920
man, they're so it's like they
yeah, they lose it. Also,

1763
02:03:49.960 --> 02:03:54.319
you're gonna tell me you're gonna you're
gonna kick out at one. I

1764
02:03:54.359 --> 02:03:57.560
mean, also, Hogan, here's
the thing about that. I also call

1765
02:03:57.640 --> 02:04:02.439
bullshit on this as a last minute
decision two, because Hogan is prepped to

1766
02:04:03.760 --> 02:04:08.520
for the big kickout and he lands
on his feet. Yeah, you know

1767
02:04:08.640 --> 02:04:12.239
when Hogan when when when Vader pushes
out, it's right away and Hogan does

1768
02:04:12.279 --> 02:04:15.479
that thing where when a powerful kickout
happens, he ends up on his feet.

1769
02:04:15.920 --> 02:04:23.000
Wow. So lads, Yeah,
And to me, like, you

1770
02:04:23.079 --> 02:04:27.199
don't you can't do that without knowing
that someone's going to kick out by the

1771
02:04:27.319 --> 02:04:33.720
move right, you need some cooperation? Yeah, one count as receiving the

1772
02:04:34.000 --> 02:04:38.000
referee was knocked out before I hit
Hogan with the hit the Vader bomb on

1773
02:04:38.079 --> 02:04:40.920
Hogan, then Rick, then Rick
Flair ran to the ring, made the

1774
02:04:40.960 --> 02:04:44.760
three count and attacked Hogan, resulting
in Might's qualification in the match. On

1775
02:04:44.880 --> 02:04:47.479
the first w CW one cent uncensored
pay per view, I wrestled Hogan again,

1776
02:04:47.840 --> 02:04:51.119
this time in a strap match.
Flair once again was booked to in

1777
02:04:51.439 --> 02:04:56.039
to intervene, this time in drag, which still baffles me to this day,

1778
02:04:56.560 --> 02:04:59.520
costing me the match. After this, it was obviously that Flair was

1779
02:04:59.560 --> 02:05:02.760
being booked into all my finishes.
This became a way to meet the promise

1780
02:05:02.800 --> 02:05:06.760
I had with Eric of not having
a job to Hogan. To Flare's credit,

1781
02:05:06.840 --> 02:05:11.239
it was It has come to my
attention that he has since mentioned he

1782
02:05:11.399 --> 02:05:14.680
hated this and wanted nothing to do
with it. I would have preferred beating

1783
02:05:14.760 --> 02:05:17.920
Hogan's senses and then and then being
disqualified over Flair running in and costing me

1784
02:05:18.000 --> 02:05:21.760
the match and making me look stupid
all the time. It's funny because Eric

1785
02:05:21.840 --> 02:05:26.000
Bischoff was the one who begged me
to work with Hogan, and talked about

1786
02:05:26.039 --> 02:05:31.119
future programs, but a return series
with a possible title exchange never happened.

1787
02:05:32.000 --> 02:05:34.920
Today. In interviews, however,
like a recent one with Greg Oliver,

1788
02:05:35.159 --> 02:05:41.119
Eric says Vader was known for being
a bit unpredictable and I'm professional, and

1789
02:05:41.159 --> 02:05:45.039
as a result, Hogan didn't really
want to work with him again. Conriad

1790
02:05:45.720 --> 02:05:51.000
Conrad Conriad, Yeah, I find
this ironic coming from the same person who

1791
02:05:51.000 --> 02:05:55.680
would say one thing backstage then do
a different thing in the ring. I

1792
02:05:55.840 --> 02:05:59.840
he no sell the Vader bomb.
Now who now? Who was the unpredictable

1793
02:05:59.920 --> 02:06:02.119
and professional one? To this day, I don't know if Eric decided to

1794
02:06:02.199 --> 02:06:06.720
keep me away from Hogan or if
it was a request from Hogan himself politics.

1795
02:06:08.439 --> 02:06:12.920
There was no incident, nothing stiff
or anything of or anything in any

1796
02:06:12.920 --> 02:06:15.279
of our first series of matches.
I took good care of Hogan and all

1797
02:06:15.319 --> 02:06:18.640
of our bouts. He always thanked
me after and said how everything was great

1798
02:06:18.680 --> 02:06:21.760
and it was a pleasure. Clearly
he was telling Eric something else behind the

1799
02:06:21.800 --> 02:06:25.760
scenes to keep me out of the
spotlight and keep himself on top. I

1800
02:06:25.800 --> 02:06:29.600
don't understand Vader's mainsa ment's pay per
views. The entire first half of the

1801
02:06:29.680 --> 02:06:33.279
year until he is until he's out. It doesn't win the belt back thing

1802
02:06:33.359 --> 02:06:40.439
he cares about. He headlines the
goddamn show, every fucking show except a

1803
02:06:40.439 --> 02:06:49.000
Great American Bash, because neither he
or Hogan were on it right. I

1804
02:06:49.039 --> 02:06:53.800
don't know. After that, I
was booked into another feud with Flair based

1805
02:06:53.840 --> 02:06:58.880
on my frustration at Flair's constant interference
in my title matches and Flare's annoyance at

1806
02:06:58.960 --> 02:07:02.680
my inability to Hogan. This frustration
angle booking was probably a rib on me

1807
02:07:02.800 --> 02:07:06.880
because it was also what was going
on behind the scenes. They were frustrating

1808
02:07:06.920 --> 02:07:11.279
the hell out of me. The
weird thing that I cannot explain is that

1809
02:07:11.359 --> 02:07:14.680
before the very end, it seemed
as if I started to gain Hogan's respect.

1810
02:07:14.760 --> 02:07:16.039
Maybe Hogan was impressed that I was
hanging in there. I don't know,

1811
02:07:16.640 --> 02:07:20.399
but Hogan started coming around more and
seeking me out. He seemingly grew

1812
02:07:20.439 --> 02:07:25.079
interested in working with me some more. One day he surprisingly asked me to

1813
02:07:25.159 --> 02:07:28.399
help develop his feud with the Dungeon
of Doom. He said he wanted me

1814
02:07:28.479 --> 02:07:31.680
to join him Randy Savage and staying
for the main event at WSW Wargames.

1815
02:07:32.039 --> 02:07:35.920
We got together went over some spots
and came up with some really good ideas,

1816
02:07:35.960 --> 02:07:39.680
but the storyline never developed. Well
that was because he got fired,

1817
02:07:40.000 --> 02:07:41.840
right. We talked about that in
the ard of war Games. She was

1818
02:07:41.840 --> 02:07:45.279
supposed to be on Hogan's team at
the ninety five War Games exactly. It

1819
02:07:45.439 --> 02:07:48.439
is possible, however, that Hogan
was just practicing politics with me to keep

1820
02:07:48.479 --> 02:07:51.800
me at bay. Maybe the whole
Wargames thing was a ploy to cover up

1821
02:07:51.840 --> 02:07:55.720
his true feelings of not wanting to
share the spotlight with me in future main

1822
02:07:55.760 --> 02:08:03.239
events. Who knows. Somebody was
working so aka tlf's coverage of Super Brawl

1823
02:08:03.319 --> 02:08:07.680
five, The Observer said that supposedly
the finish of the Hogan Invader match originally

1824
02:08:07.760 --> 02:08:13.079
was double juice with bockwinkl or the
commission stopping the match to set up a

1825
02:08:13.439 --> 02:08:18.119
no stopping for blood uncensored strap match, he wrote, but circumstances over the

1826
02:08:18.119 --> 02:08:20.960
past week made the company next to
the idea of juice, and they went

1827
02:08:20.000 --> 02:08:26.000
to plan B. There was there
was an article in The New York Post

1828
02:08:26.039 --> 02:08:30.720
by Phil Muschnik, the you know, rampaging anti wrestling New York Post columnist

1829
02:08:31.520 --> 02:08:37.520
that more than anything it called gene
okerlint to task for a nine hundred line

1830
02:08:37.840 --> 02:08:41.600
teaser where he basically said, I've
got news now in the hotline of a

1831
02:08:41.680 --> 02:08:46.720
former world heavyweight champion who's died at
the age of forty whatever age Rick Flair

1832
02:08:46.960 --> 02:08:50.520
is. Yeah, oh my god, and or Ventura could have fit the

1833
02:08:50.560 --> 02:08:52.680
category two I think or something like
that. It was Jerry Blackwell that he

1834
02:08:52.800 --> 02:08:56.000
was talking about, who wasn't even
a world heavyweight champion as a singles he

1835
02:08:56.079 --> 02:09:01.159
was a tag champion the awri right, and so mustna heard about this and

1836
02:09:01.199 --> 02:09:03.920
did a whole thing about it.
Yeah, wrestler might die, but you

1837
02:09:05.000 --> 02:09:07.640
have to pay to find out about
it, and how you know, callous

1838
02:09:07.680 --> 02:09:13.319
it is to sort of dangle the
threat, you know, the potential news

1839
02:09:13.359 --> 02:09:16.039
of a wrestler's demise is a way
to profit. And so boss I figured

1840
02:09:16.039 --> 02:09:20.039
we take a listen. Thanks to
our pal Matt who was able to track

1841
02:09:20.119 --> 02:09:26.039
this down. Gene Okerland on WCW
Television promoting the you two for the low

1842
02:09:26.159 --> 02:09:28.319
price of what probably amounted to seven
ninety nine by the time you sat on

1843
02:09:28.399 --> 02:09:33.520
the phone long enough to hear the
announcement of who was dead. Heard this

1844
02:09:33.720 --> 02:09:37.800
in terms of this is of course, as not the report on the hotline.

1845
02:09:37.840 --> 02:09:41.680
But this is the advertisement for the
hotline that got WCW Andngene and some

1846
02:09:41.840 --> 02:09:46.840
negative publicity. Good morning, everybody, and welcome to w CW Pro.

1847
02:09:48.239 --> 02:09:52.399
It's rumored one of the top tag
teams as all of wrestling are on their

1848
02:09:52.479 --> 02:09:54.680
way to w CW. I can't
talk about it on the air. I

1849
02:09:54.800 --> 02:10:01.119
will talk about it today on the
hotline. Plus the tragic death former heavyweight

1850
02:10:01.239 --> 02:10:05.399
champion at age forty five, all
of that and more today give me a

1851
02:10:05.479 --> 02:10:09.239
call of the hotline at one nine
hundred nine on nine ninety nine hundred.

1852
02:10:09.279 --> 02:10:11.279
I'll buck forty nine per minute,
But ladies and gentlemen, give me a

1853
02:10:11.359 --> 02:10:16.640
call today. I'm a hotline buck
forty nine per minute. Boss. Oh,

1854
02:10:18.960 --> 02:10:22.079
I now would ask you to put
on your best film Mushnik voice.

1855
02:10:22.640 --> 02:10:28.039
It's time for the February fifteenth,
nineteen ninety five New York Post article pouncing,

1856
02:10:28.439 --> 02:10:35.079
pouncing, of course, fucking betrayal
of integrity from Gene Okerlands. He's

1857
02:10:35.079 --> 02:10:37.439
a New Yorker, right, oh
very much so. Yeah, you know,

1858
02:10:37.560 --> 02:10:41.439
instead of entertainment lawyer, he says, entertainment lawyer, entertainment lawyer,

1859
02:10:41.600 --> 02:10:48.880
equal time. Phil Mushnick headline Boss
Turner phone scam better dead for Ted.

1860
02:10:50.920 --> 02:10:52.239
By the way, that tag team
was that the Seiner Brothers. That's you

1861
02:10:52.359 --> 02:10:56.319
nailed it exactly. Who's coming in
now that Bill Wats is firmly in the

1862
02:10:56.359 --> 02:11:00.479
background. They did not get along
with Bill Watts. So I see,

1863
02:11:00.880 --> 02:11:07.079
I see nationally televised sleeves for kids
try top in this. One Saturday night,

1864
02:11:07.159 --> 02:11:13.399
February fourth, veteran TV pro wrestling
Shill Gene Oakland appeared on the weekly

1865
02:11:13.800 --> 02:11:20.439
World Championship Wrestling extravaganzov TBS. Oakland
is employed by the WCW. Both the

1866
02:11:20.560 --> 02:11:26.319
WCW and TBS are owned by Ted
Turner. Oakland, facing a TV audience

1867
02:11:26.319 --> 02:11:31.920
the ww acknowledges to be predominated by
children, had some really big news.

1868
02:11:31.800 --> 02:11:39.000
He reported that a forty five year
quote quote a forty five year old former

1869
02:11:39.079 --> 02:11:46.520
heavyweight champion unquote had died. Good
gosh, who right? Oakland wouldn't say.

1870
02:11:46.600 --> 02:11:52.840
Instead, he said that the info
could be gleaned by dialing a WCW

1871
02:11:52.079 --> 02:12:03.199
nine hundred number one fifty per minute. Yeah, people do meltzer. Oh

1872
02:12:03.199 --> 02:12:05.319
no, you don't have Yeah,
I just read it. Quote. People

1873
02:12:05.399 --> 02:12:09.039
thought the deceased was Rick Flair,
a huge WW star, said Dave Meltzer,

1874
02:12:09.319 --> 02:12:15.760
who reported this scam in his Weekly
Wrestling of Observer newsletter. Flair meets

1875
02:12:15.800 --> 02:12:18.560
that description, and with Flair not
having appeared on TV for two weeks,

1876
02:12:18.600 --> 02:12:22.600
Oakerland didn't discourage that thought. In
truth, the deceased was Jerry Blackwell,

1877
02:12:22.640 --> 02:12:28.079
a fellow who wrestled as Crusher Blackwell
in the eighties. Blackwell died two weeks

1878
02:12:28.119 --> 02:12:33.239
earlier and is now relegated to bulging
to the bulging scrap heap of pro wrestlers

1879
02:12:33.239 --> 02:12:37.159
who died twenty five years or more
before the rest of us. Fucking go

1880
02:12:37.399 --> 02:12:41.239
Phil not that callers to the ww's
nine hundred the line found out about Blackwell

1881
02:12:41.279 --> 02:12:45.720
right away at a buck fifty per
minute. Oakland's taped voice was in no

1882
02:12:45.880 --> 02:12:50.680
hurry to break the old news about
Blackwell's death. A w CW spoke person

1883
02:12:50.840 --> 02:12:54.039
said he didn't know just how long
Oakland kept callers on the line before telling

1884
02:12:54.119 --> 02:13:00.800
of Blackwell's death, but another weekly
newsletter, Pro Wrestling Torch, reported this

1885
02:13:00.960 --> 02:13:05.800
breaking tail from the Crypt reported this
breaking Tail from the Crypt was withheld until

1886
02:13:05.840 --> 02:13:13.960
the fifth minute, meaning the call
to the ww's deathline costs seven dollars and

1887
02:13:13.039 --> 02:13:20.560
fifty cents c W deathline. I
mean, where where have voices like this

1888
02:13:20.760 --> 02:13:26.279
gone? I know you know what
I mean. Meltzer said the ww's pay

1889
02:13:26.560 --> 02:13:31.000
per orbit paropit call whiles representing a
new low, and sleeves represented a new

1890
02:13:31.119 --> 02:13:37.840
financial high for the ww's nine hundred
number endeavors. A WW spokesman said he

1891
02:13:37.920 --> 02:13:41.800
didn't know exactly how many minutes were
logged to the line, but I can

1892
02:13:41.880 --> 02:13:50.600
acknowledge that the promotion quote did do
quite well unquote yes. In the past,

1893
02:13:52.039 --> 02:13:56.119
with so many pro wrestlers dying young, dying of drug overdoses or of

1894
02:13:56.520 --> 02:14:01.680
drug related diseases, or from incidents
outside the ring, pro wrestling rarely mentions

1895
02:14:01.920 --> 02:14:05.960
death, Meltz has said, but
this time Pro wrestling cashed in on one.

1896
02:14:07.039 --> 02:14:09.079
A lot of money was made off
the death of Jerry. Of all

1897
02:14:09.119 --> 02:14:13.920
fucking people, let's make money off
Jerry Blackwell. Well, someone had to,

1898
02:14:15.119 --> 02:14:18.000
right, I guess, I guess
you know he's not making enough money

1899
02:14:18.000 --> 02:14:20.479
as it is. Might will make
money off the fucking guy. I mean,

1900
02:14:20.800 --> 02:14:26.159
it's ridiculous. Pro Wrestling's nine hundred
lines have been abused before. You

1901
02:14:26.239 --> 02:14:30.239
know, kids have been encouraged to
call in the choices for whom they'd like

1902
02:14:30.359 --> 02:14:33.279
to see in big pay per view
events, even when the matchups are already

1903
02:14:33.359 --> 02:14:37.960
set. But this is the first
time a death has been dangled and sold

1904
02:14:39.000 --> 02:14:43.279
on a nine hundred line, one
hundred number, Meltzer said. The WW

1905
02:14:43.439 --> 02:14:48.079
in the hands of Ted Turner makes
for a curious match. After all,

1906
02:14:48.159 --> 02:14:54.520
we're talking about Ted Goodwill, Games
Turner, Ted National Geographic Turner, Ted

1907
02:14:54.039 --> 02:15:03.119
Preserved the Global Environment Turner, Ted
CNN Turner. Turner is tough on illegal

1908
02:15:03.239 --> 02:15:07.239
drug use among his employees, even
though even tough on legal drug use now

1909
02:15:07.399 --> 02:15:13.600
ten years ago, Turner banned cigarette
smoking is in his Atlanta offices. For

1910
02:15:13.800 --> 02:15:16.760
years, his employees have had to
sign a statement value not to use tobacco

1911
02:15:16.840 --> 02:15:22.439
on his premises. Yet, just
last spring, Turner sat for photoshoots with

1912
02:15:22.520 --> 02:15:28.560
his new multimillion dollar employee, Hulk
Hogan. Hogan, at the time was

1913
02:15:28.600 --> 02:15:33.199
in the midst of admitting under oath
that he was a practiced liar. That

1914
02:15:35.079 --> 02:15:39.560
is the most celebrated act in the
ww's rival World Wrestling Federation. His character

1915
02:15:39.760 --> 02:15:48.680
wasn't built on quote prayer invitamins,
but on years of steroid abuse. No

1916
02:15:48.880 --> 02:15:54.680
matter Turner made, Hogan is new
ww star. This is the Ted Turner,

1917
02:15:54.720 --> 02:15:58.199
who will present a TV series on
the sorrowful plight of the Native American

1918
02:15:58.239 --> 02:16:03.760
Indian at the hands of white ex
manchioness yet present to America's kiddies through the

1919
02:16:03.920 --> 02:16:09.960
WCW on yielding string of negative ethnic
and racial stereotypes, including the American Indian.

1920
02:16:11.359 --> 02:16:15.520
Recently, a champ who wrestled for
Turner under the name Vinnie Vegas,

1921
02:16:15.840 --> 02:16:20.159
an Italian stereotype, stated on Check
Kopick's new sport talk show that the w

1922
02:16:20.319 --> 02:16:30.640
CW is lousy with steroids. Yeah, Vinie Vegas would know, Yeah,

1923
02:16:30.720 --> 02:16:33.319
right, Hey, fucking you know
shit, Hey, you know I've been

1924
02:16:33.360 --> 02:16:37.040
done with Atlanta. I know what
the fuck is going on. That place

1925
02:16:37.200 --> 02:16:41.079
is just you know, it's it's
like two rabbits fucking and making steroids.

1926
02:16:41.120 --> 02:16:46.040
That's what's going on down there.
Last month, a fellow named Frank Anderson,

1927
02:16:46.079 --> 02:16:50.799
who used to be a World World
Champion Greco Roman wrestler, was convicted

1928
02:16:50.840 --> 02:16:56.520
in Sweden for the purchase and possession
of human growth hormone. Anderson is employed

1929
02:16:56.760 --> 02:17:01.239
by the w CW, and it's
just not a big name in pro wrestling.

1930
02:17:01.280 --> 02:17:05.120
He doesn't make much money for the
w CW for tied Turner, but

1931
02:17:05.319 --> 02:17:11.600
with any luck, you soon suffered
drug induced renal failure. In Die you

1932
02:17:11.799 --> 02:17:16.319
talk about the perfect whipping horse for
a guy like Phil Mushnick, like he

1933
02:17:16.440 --> 02:17:24.920
could just go off yes and just
have and just say the most like outrageous

1934
02:17:24.319 --> 02:17:30.079
things because it was pro wrestling.
This is listen. It's it's a pro

1935
02:17:30.200 --> 02:17:37.680
wrestling is a haven for murderers and
death. It's a fact. It's not

1936
02:17:37.799 --> 02:17:43.520
an opinion. I think we know
who the lapsed editor's favorite columnist was a

1937
02:17:43.600 --> 02:17:46.200
monthly. I've been reading this guy, Mushnik, this guy nobody's fucking talking.

1938
02:17:46.280 --> 02:17:50.520
He's got it, he's got it, he's dead on. This guy

1939
02:17:50.600 --> 02:17:54.719
gets exactly what the fuck is going
on? How do we get him or

1940
02:17:54.760 --> 02:17:58.479
how do I get on the post? Somebody kill the editor on the post

1941
02:18:00.360 --> 02:18:03.399
please. We'll have to talk about
that coming soon in the paper. Part

1942
02:18:03.440 --> 02:18:11.600
two. Then the WW on a
Saturday night can tell kids that a former

1943
02:18:11.680 --> 02:18:18.079
champion wrestlers died, and for only
a dollar fifty minute, they can find

1944
02:18:18.120 --> 02:18:20.959
out who Anderson, as Jerry Blackwell
proved, could be worth more to Turner

1945
02:18:22.079 --> 02:18:26.120
dead than alive. It's time for
mister Turner, mister goodwill missed to save

1946
02:18:26.239 --> 02:18:33.319
the environment, turn to take his
friendly TV wrestling business out to be cleaned

1947
02:18:33.719 --> 02:18:39.840
and burned. Wow, burned.
This is one environmental issue that should not

1948
02:18:41.000 --> 02:18:50.559
be subject to recycling. A great
line fell, so there was like heightened

1949
02:18:50.559 --> 02:18:54.280
sensitivity. They made something about juice
in there too. Was very clear that

1950
02:18:54.479 --> 02:18:56.760
there was a no juicy edict to
w W because this mentioned that's what gets

1951
02:18:56.840 --> 02:19:01.440
Dusty Rhodes fired. Dustin fired.
The next amounth that uncentered because there's blood

1952
02:19:01.440 --> 02:19:05.000
in their match. He and Barry
Darcel Blacktop Bully both tell that exact story,

1953
02:19:05.840 --> 02:19:11.520
so that there clearly was a problem
of including juice and the Hogan Invader

1954
02:19:11.559 --> 02:19:16.120
finish because that wasn't allowed. But
maybe that edict came after the original plans

1955
02:19:16.120 --> 02:19:18.719
were drawn up for how this match
would finish and involved juice. Not sure,

1956
02:19:20.159 --> 02:19:22.680
but that's out there, and you
know, the idea that you're going

1957
02:19:22.719 --> 02:19:26.280
to get a clean job out of
Vader while he held that Japanese heavyweight title

1958
02:19:26.399 --> 02:19:33.319
was also political football very much an
issue. The thing we've learned about Japan,

1959
02:19:33.360 --> 02:19:37.159
of course, over the years is
if an American superstar goes to Japan,

1960
02:19:37.280 --> 02:19:41.159
that's probably the best money he's making
in the business like hour for hour,

1961
02:19:41.280 --> 02:19:46.760
match for match, and so compromising
their ability to stay on top in

1962
02:19:46.840 --> 02:19:48.399
Japan by doing too many jobs in
the United States. It's always a problem

1963
02:19:48.440 --> 02:19:52.799
for guys like him and Hanson and
Brody and Abdullah and others who found a

1964
02:19:52.840 --> 02:19:58.120
way to make their nest egg in
Japan over the United States. There's also

1965
02:19:58.159 --> 02:20:01.799
talked that the two scheduled works and
how Show dates An Invader and those finishes

1966
02:20:03.559 --> 02:20:09.040
being watched closely, as well as
for Hartley's situation. Pretty hilarious when you

1967
02:20:09.079 --> 02:20:13.319
think about the history of Harley kind
of being the person that was threatening Hogan.

1968
02:20:13.360 --> 02:20:16.879
His wws take off on his back
and moved into territories like Kansas City

1969
02:20:16.920 --> 02:20:20.319
and Saint Louis were Harley thought he
had the stronghold totally and Hogan was very

1970
02:20:20.879 --> 02:20:24.680
paranoid about Hartley showing up with a
gun because there was a threat like that

1971
02:20:24.760 --> 02:20:28.000
at one of the shows when they
came into his territory to defend this turf

1972
02:20:28.799 --> 02:20:35.559
and pretty hilarious. Harley walks right
into the WW for arena one time when

1973
02:20:35.719 --> 02:20:39.120
ww first started going there. This
is an Invader's book. Harley walked down

1974
02:20:39.120 --> 02:20:43.000
the familiar Halls and found Hulk Cogan
in the dressing room. Harley stormed in.

1975
02:20:43.120 --> 02:20:45.680
Hogan supposedly said something like wrong building
the night brother, and that's all

1976
02:20:45.719 --> 02:20:48.719
Harley needed to hear. Race walked
right up to a seated Hogan smacked him

1977
02:20:48.079 --> 02:20:52.600
with his sledgehammer hand directly in the
face. Hogan fell off his chair and

1978
02:20:52.639 --> 02:20:54.200
went down to the floor. Geese
dude, Hogan said, knowing damned well,

1979
02:20:54.200 --> 02:20:56.680
while he got hit, I'm surprised
you just coming here with a gun.

1980
02:20:58.040 --> 02:21:01.280
Race reached into the jacket and flashed
a thirty revolver. The locker room

1981
02:21:01.319 --> 02:21:03.879
cleared. When Hogan's camp tells the
story today, they claim Harley took a

1982
02:21:03.920 --> 02:21:07.760
gas can that the Hall used for
their lawnmower and tried to burn down the

1983
02:21:07.879 --> 02:21:11.479
WWF. Ran That's untrue, Ray
said to some Hogan supporters at one of

1984
02:21:11.559 --> 02:21:13.440
the barbecues. There was no gas
can. The rest of the story was

1985
02:21:13.680 --> 02:21:18.559
very game. So he pulled the
gun on them. There's that, and

1986
02:21:18.799 --> 02:21:22.200
the rumor was that Harley Race is
going to show up with a shotgun with

1987
02:21:22.319 --> 02:21:24.559
a shotgun. When the WWF came
back to town, Vader Wrights just as

1988
02:21:24.639 --> 02:21:28.120
before, he was still pissed that
the Missouri territory was his and he was

1989
02:21:28.159 --> 02:21:30.399
not going to give it up without
a fight. Everyone in the locker room

1990
02:21:30.440 --> 02:21:33.600
was nervous about the booking that night, especially the WWA front men hul Cog

1991
02:21:33.639 --> 02:21:35.639
And that night came, and just
as before, Harley simply walked right into

1992
02:21:35.639 --> 02:21:39.040
the dressing room like you owned the
place. The only thing different this time

1993
02:21:39.399 --> 02:21:41.840
was he peeked his head in first
to make sure he could strike it precisely

1994
02:21:41.879 --> 02:21:43.719
the right moment. A bunch of
the wrestlers were moving about. Harley snuck

1995
02:21:43.760 --> 02:21:48.440
in when Hogan had his back to
the door, which is always a couple

1996
02:21:48.479 --> 02:21:50.799
of the wrestlers looked up and Hardly
held his finger up to his lips.

1997
02:21:50.840 --> 02:21:54.879
He signaled for everyone to be quiet, and he snuck up behind Hogan.

1998
02:21:56.000 --> 02:21:58.600
When Hogan was at least expecting it, Harley put him in a chokehold from

1999
02:21:58.639 --> 02:22:03.200
behind. Ah Before anything could happen, he slapped his slapped him as hard

2000
02:22:03.200 --> 02:22:05.920
as he could on the ribs,
and released the hold. Hogan turned around

2001
02:22:05.920 --> 02:22:09.319
and winced. He turned as white
as a ghost, Hardily smirked and extended

2002
02:22:09.319 --> 02:22:13.719
his hand in friendship. Hogan rightfully
breathed a sigh of relief, the whole

2003
02:22:13.760 --> 02:22:22.079
ball game. What do you want, brother? What do you want?

2004
02:22:22.200 --> 02:22:24.600
Dude? What the fuck? Brother? What are you doing? My fuck?

2005
02:22:24.680 --> 02:22:26.239
What do you? What? Do
you? What do you? What

2006
02:22:26.319 --> 02:22:30.280
do you? Did? You?
Who told you? How? When?

2007
02:22:30.479 --> 02:22:33.639
What? What? What? What? How? Often? What do you

2008
02:22:35.399 --> 02:22:43.840
when? What's going on? Dude? Where are we? Brother? Huh

2009
02:22:45.959 --> 02:22:50.959
so huh uh? I don't know. With that backdrop, is hardly being

2010
02:22:50.959 --> 02:22:54.079
associated with Vader and advising him in
a real life capacity as well as on

2011
02:22:54.159 --> 02:22:58.479
screen a factor in Hogan's level of
distrust towards working with Vader. It's not

2012
02:22:58.520 --> 02:23:03.440
talked about often enough. I just
think it's a goddamn fascinating thing that as

2013
02:23:03.479 --> 02:23:07.680
soon as Hogan gets in and consolidates
power, Harley's never seen or heard from

2014
02:23:07.760 --> 02:23:09.200
again. Yeah, he had nothing
to do with the car accident, of

2015
02:23:09.280 --> 02:23:13.920
course, this is Harley's book.
In January nine ninety five, Bjay,

2016
02:23:13.000 --> 02:23:16.159
which was his girlfriend, was out
of town on a banking convention, and

2017
02:23:16.200 --> 02:23:18.520
I went downtown to a bar to
shoot pool with a couple of friends.

2018
02:23:18.559 --> 02:23:22.200
At least I thought they were at
the time. We started playing for fun,

2019
02:23:22.239 --> 02:23:24.440
but one of the guys suggested we'd
make it interesting and play for a

2020
02:23:24.479 --> 02:23:26.559
little money. By the end of
the night, I was down about thirteen

2021
02:23:26.639 --> 02:23:28.440
hundred dollars and physically feeling worse for
the wear than the few drinks I had.

2022
02:23:28.799 --> 02:23:31.319
Only later, after I started piecing
things together in my mind that I

2023
02:23:31.319 --> 02:23:35.479
suspect that I was the victim of
a scam. My two friends were working

2024
02:23:35.520 --> 02:23:39.559
as partners and I was their mark. To make matters worse, I still

2025
02:23:39.559 --> 02:23:43.120
suspect someone might have slipped something in
my drink that night. Okay, Harley,

2026
02:23:43.159 --> 02:23:45.680
you got drunk as a skunk.
You don't have to do all this,

2027
02:23:46.840 --> 02:23:48.200
all this ca faving about it.
When I left the bar, I

2028
02:23:48.280 --> 02:23:52.520
was driving across an inner city bridge
and ran across a pothole from hell that

2029
02:23:52.559 --> 02:23:54.360
popped the airbag and jerk the car
to the left. It was an intersection

2030
02:23:54.479 --> 02:23:58.079
where one concrete divider stopped at the
start of the intersection and another one began

2031
02:23:58.079 --> 02:24:01.639
at the end of it. Lost
control of my car and it plowed into

2032
02:24:01.680 --> 02:24:07.479
the front of the barrier. The
impact pushed the engine block into the front

2033
02:24:07.520 --> 02:24:11.600
seat, nearly crushing my legs.
My right forearm and hip were both fractured.

2034
02:24:11.879 --> 02:24:16.719
Doctors told me later that most people
wouldn't have survived the wreck. I

2035
02:24:16.840 --> 02:24:18.120
managed to get out of my car
and stand up, but that was about

2036
02:24:18.159 --> 02:24:22.680
it. I don't remember much after
that. I took a steel plate and

2037
02:24:22.760 --> 02:24:24.559
four screws to put my hip back
together. But my luck was about to

2038
02:24:24.600 --> 02:24:28.200
go from bad to worse. Two
weeks after the wreck, I developed gout

2039
02:24:28.280 --> 02:24:30.959
in one of my feet. It's
a build up of uric acid that can

2040
02:24:31.000 --> 02:24:33.959
cause intense pain and, if not
serious tissue damage. On this particular morning,

2041
02:24:35.000 --> 02:24:37.120
I wasn't able to put any weight
in my foot. I was in

2042
02:24:37.200 --> 02:24:41.680
no shape to walk to my physical
rehab class, and I told my nurses

2043
02:24:41.760 --> 02:24:43.440
much. Still, she insisted,
and she got an aid to help me

2044
02:24:45.159 --> 02:24:50.799
lift me out of bed in my
physical rehab class. I'll pardon me in

2045
02:24:50.920 --> 02:24:54.920
doing so. They dropped me and
I collapsed backward into a chair. I

2046
02:24:54.120 --> 02:24:58.120
banged my head, but my body
absorbed much of the shock. It was

2047
02:24:58.200 --> 02:25:01.799
enough to fracture my hip all over
again. Oh Jesus, and I realized

2048
02:25:01.840 --> 02:25:05.959
this time in various places. You
would think that would get me out of

2049
02:25:05.079 --> 02:25:09.159
physical therapy class for the day,
but it didn't. At the time,

2050
02:25:09.600 --> 02:25:13.719
they didn't know I had refractured my
hip. It was pure torture, so

2051
02:25:13.799 --> 02:25:16.239
they insisted I attend to the session. Why I complied, I'll never know.

2052
02:25:16.600 --> 02:25:20.360
It was pure torture, but I
completed their bullshit exercises. Only after

2053
02:25:20.479 --> 02:25:24.360
that, when they got me back
to my room did they perform an X

2054
02:25:24.440 --> 02:25:28.319
ray. I determined that I had
refractured my hip and that was it for

2055
02:25:28.399 --> 02:25:31.920
hardly raising the business. Really wow. This is the same time too,

2056
02:25:31.959 --> 02:25:37.760
that Hogan is starting to launch his
music endeavors with Jimmy Hart, trying to

2057
02:25:37.799 --> 02:25:41.120
model himself after the success of David
Hasselhoff in Germany, who, despite having

2058
02:25:41.440 --> 02:25:45.440
no discernible musical talents, but due
to being an American television star, had

2059
02:25:45.479 --> 02:25:48.239
a huge music career in Germany.
Hilariously, Hogan of course got to know

2060
02:25:48.319 --> 02:25:54.200
Hasselhoff and dealing with Baywatch, right, of course, I'll be read.

2061
02:25:54.719 --> 02:26:01.559
In nineteen ninety five brought it.
I came out with an album called Hulk

2062
02:26:01.639 --> 02:26:05.079
Rules by Hulk Code and in the
wrestling boot band. But really the album

2063
02:26:05.159 --> 02:26:07.520
was born back in nineteninety two at
Wimbley Stadium. You know the deal.

2064
02:26:07.920 --> 02:26:11.360
Here we go again. I have
to read the whole thing. But I

2065
02:26:11.399 --> 02:26:13.000
had the hassel Hoff position twenty five
percent of the company, just like I

2066
02:26:13.200 --> 02:26:18.079
wanted David Hasselhoff at twenty five percent
of Baywatch. But my partner is as

2067
02:26:18.120 --> 02:26:20.399
good as producer as good producers do. We're always trying to talk to me

2068
02:26:20.399 --> 02:26:22.239
into taking less and less money because
they needed it on the set. They

2069
02:26:22.280 --> 02:26:24.200
would say, you know, what's
your company too, We'll make money on

2070
02:26:24.239 --> 02:26:28.159
the back end anyway. The first
movie, this is all the movies he

2071
02:26:28.200 --> 02:26:30.639
signed on with Turner at the same
time, So we had twenty five percent

2072
02:26:30.719 --> 02:26:33.200
of the We talked about this and
we did Hoky movies enter the cinema.

2073
02:26:33.280 --> 02:26:35.879
Sure. Sure, he also had
twenty five percent of the movies that clearly

2074
02:26:37.040 --> 02:26:41.760
Turner was obliged to produce as part
of Hulk Cocin's incentive agreement in compensation agreement,

2075
02:26:41.920 --> 02:26:43.360
because there's no other reason to make
these movies than they were forced to.

2076
02:26:45.319 --> 02:26:48.959
So he's got all these other things
going on under the Turner aegis,

2077
02:26:48.040 --> 02:26:54.559
which is important to remember. Here's
an article from Business Wire from February fourteenth,

2078
02:26:54.680 --> 02:26:58.040
nineteen ninety five, just a few
days before Super Brawl five. Tell

2079
02:26:58.040 --> 02:27:03.360
you how thin Hulpe might be spreading. Superstar professional wrestler Terry Hulk Hogan,

2080
02:27:03.879 --> 02:27:07.200
manager Jimmy Hard and other members of
the Wrestling Boot Band will sign a major

2081
02:27:07.280 --> 02:27:11.079
recording contract with Select Records. According
to Hulk Hogan, the millions of Hulky

2082
02:27:11.120 --> 02:27:13.520
maniacs all over the world can't wait
to see the Halt star team up with

2083
02:27:13.600 --> 02:27:16.719
Select Records. I know, is
Hulton maniac myself? That could be more

2084
02:27:16.760 --> 02:27:20.280
true? Yeah, so fired up
in ninety five about Select rec oh heard

2085
02:27:20.319 --> 02:27:24.399
all about it. Select is the
home of the Jerky Boys, Kidden Play,

2086
02:27:24.559 --> 02:27:28.760
chub Rock and other happening products.
Happening. There's a word you haven't

2087
02:27:28.760 --> 02:27:31.040
seen used in a while. Thank
god for Chubb Rocks. Yeah, I

2088
02:27:31.159 --> 02:27:35.959
know, happening stopped happening apparently.
Yeah. Yeah, And now the greatest

2089
02:27:35.000 --> 02:27:39.319
force in the universe meets up with
the power of the music industry. The

2090
02:27:39.399 --> 02:27:41.799
Hulkster had a lifelong involvement with music, and his band, The Wrestling Boot

2091
02:27:41.840 --> 02:27:46.559
Band, is incorporating a diversified spectrum
of music on their debut album. Both

2092
02:27:46.680 --> 02:27:48.840
rap and rock music will be featured
on the record, including a ballad and

2093
02:27:48.879 --> 02:27:52.920
the official theme song American Maid,
written by hulkoganin, Jimmy Hart and Jimmy

2094
02:27:52.000 --> 02:27:58.159
McGuire. Frank Manow, president of
Select Records, states Hulk Hogan, with

2095
02:27:58.239 --> 02:28:03.159
his incredible history of media dominating,
represents a marketing challenge that's locked up with

2096
02:28:07.239 --> 02:28:18.319
fucking go that will do t L
t M. Fun with my family friends?

2097
02:28:20.399 --> 02:28:28.600
Wanna be fun with my family?
There you go, be sure?

2098
02:28:28.639 --> 02:28:35.520
Tell you how to stay on track
to at the Maniacs, dud Lost the

2099
02:28:35.600 --> 02:28:39.879
Fox and some of the things that
always be could be your family and Prince

2100
02:28:41.120 --> 02:28:46.559
that's the only ones that will be
there in the end. You wanna have

2101
02:28:46.799 --> 02:28:56.040
fun with my family friends? And
do you wanna have fun with my family

2102
02:28:58.719 --> 02:29:13.159
when you're looking for something cool to
do? Who just don't need You don't

2103
02:29:13.200 --> 02:29:20.360
need drugs to move your feet?
Brother Harley did a. Hul Cogan,

2104
02:29:20.440 --> 02:29:24.680
with his incredible history of media domination, represents a marketing challenge that Select Records

2105
02:29:24.799 --> 02:29:28.639
relishes. We are looking forward to
bringing this unique music package to his legions

2106
02:29:28.680 --> 02:29:33.319
of loyal followers as well as newfound
fans throughout the world. Select Records marketing

2107
02:29:33.319 --> 02:29:37.239
consultant Michael Mansky believes quote the marriage
of Hulk Cogan and Select Records is a

2108
02:29:37.280 --> 02:29:43.000
powerful and exciting combination. I guess
it means to be seen. Hulk is

2109
02:29:43.000 --> 02:29:46.079
an amazing superstar who transcends professional wrestling
in so many ways, and Select Records,

2110
02:29:46.360 --> 02:29:50.079
led by Fredman, now has the
cutting edge and artist development savvy to

2111
02:29:50.159 --> 02:29:54.680
capitalize on this huge opportunity. Wow. Jimmy hartch marks regarding the record deal

2112
02:29:54.719 --> 02:29:58.639
state, when you're on top,
let a rock. Hulkimania will live forever,

2113
02:29:58.000 --> 02:30:01.719
and now Select Records will bring his
music to our millions of fans.

2114
02:30:01.079 --> 02:30:03.600
Music has been in my blood since
the days I was part of the gentries,

2115
02:30:03.799 --> 02:30:07.559
and now we move forward with Holt's
very first album, adding to the

2116
02:30:07.600 --> 02:30:11.399
marketing challenges and excitement store for the
wrestling boot Band Turner Licensing and Merchandising is

2117
02:30:11.399 --> 02:30:16.479
granted the original San Francisco toy makers
the licensing rights to produce a bendable,

2118
02:30:16.559 --> 02:30:20.879
stretchable, and collectible toy line featuring
hul Cogan and Jimmy Hart, superstars of

2119
02:30:20.879 --> 02:30:24.280
World Championship Wrestling. Hulk Cogan draped
and bright hues of red and yellow,

2120
02:30:24.360 --> 02:30:26.920
and commonly referred to by millions as
the greatest force in the universe. I've

2121
02:30:28.000 --> 02:30:30.559
never called him that, and I've
never even heard him refer to Asta as

2122
02:30:30.600 --> 02:30:35.079
a matter of fact. Unveiled his
action figure at the annual Toy Fair in

2123
02:30:35.159 --> 02:30:39.079
New York on February thirteenth, nineteen
ninety five, So that's going on too

2124
02:30:39.159 --> 02:30:43.559
around this time. Toy Fair Jesus, and this was a big one for

2125
02:30:43.639 --> 02:30:48.559
them because they really put their best
foot forward that year. You know,

2126
02:30:48.799 --> 02:30:52.239
they were able to go forward with
Hogan at the Toy Fair for the first

2127
02:30:52.319 --> 02:30:56.760
time. I really I think I
talked about this, but there was a

2128
02:30:56.879 --> 02:31:05.479
part of me that when they that
was really hoping that they would get a

2129
02:31:07.399 --> 02:31:11.399
a deal with Hasbro. Wow,
that was up. Well, this is

2130
02:31:11.440 --> 02:31:13.799
the last Hasbro line, right,
ninety four ninety four was the last Hasborough

2131
02:31:13.840 --> 02:31:18.319
line. Wow, that's when the
green cards came out. And then it

2132
02:31:18.440 --> 02:31:20.479
was over, and I was like, I kept like, oh my god,

2133
02:31:20.680 --> 02:31:26.559
I would have loved the like a
like a W. CW. Hogan,

2134
02:31:26.799 --> 02:31:31.879
you know, like a Vader Hasbro
in ninety five, a Vader Hasbro,

2135
02:31:33.120 --> 02:31:43.520
Sting Hasbro, A Sting Hasbro,
a Dustin Rhodes has a Blacktop Bully

2136
02:31:43.559 --> 02:31:48.440
has Bro Blacktop Bully has Bro.
For sure. I love that idea.

2137
02:31:48.680 --> 02:31:52.079
Man, what an alternate history that
would have meant. I think that so

2138
02:31:52.200 --> 02:31:56.520
cool. What does suck is you
know they did come out with those Mattel

2139
02:31:56.600 --> 02:32:01.959
Hasbro throwbacks where we actually have seen
a Vader Hasbro kind of yeah. Yeah,

2140
02:32:01.360 --> 02:32:03.760
that kind of bums me out because
you can't just like picture something that's

2141
02:32:03.840 --> 02:32:09.120
never existed anymore. Yeah, but
yeah, now they signed on with them.

2142
02:32:09.360 --> 02:32:13.319
They didn't have a deal since the
Glub deal died WCW, so it

2143
02:32:13.399 --> 02:32:16.239
had been a few years since they
had respectable toys out there, and that's

2144
02:32:16.239 --> 02:32:20.000
a door hol Cogan opened and there
was there was talk about how you know,

2145
02:32:20.120 --> 02:32:22.559
WWF had a week showing at the
Toy Biz Fair that year and they

2146
02:32:22.600 --> 02:32:26.319
sent home King Savage and some heavy
hitters there to really try to sway people.

2147
02:32:26.879 --> 02:32:30.879
You heard several times in the broadcast
of Super Brawl five they're trying to

2148
02:32:30.920 --> 02:32:33.600
make the tagline work where the stars
are this is before where the big boys

2149
02:32:33.680 --> 02:32:37.360
call God it sucks. Yeah,
but that was part of the whole push

2150
02:32:37.479 --> 02:32:39.879
is we've got these stars and we're
gonna let people know about it. I

2151
02:32:39.920 --> 02:32:45.239
think it was a marketing VP share
in Sadello that came up with that tagline,

2152
02:32:45.239 --> 02:32:48.479
according to Errek Bishoff. But this
is this is big for WCW that

2153
02:32:48.520 --> 02:32:50.639
they're making these moves in the trade
world. We get a good view in

2154
02:32:50.719 --> 02:32:54.040
this from Gary Michae Kapetta, who
was the ring announcer on the show and

2155
02:32:54.040 --> 02:32:56.159
also wrote a book, and he
recalls this particular point in time as he's

2156
02:32:56.159 --> 02:32:58.920
winding down his time with WCWS.
They're gonna put Dave Penzer in the prim

2157
02:33:00.200 --> 02:33:03.879
positions soon, and of course saw
Michael Buffer as the big match, big

2158
02:33:03.920 --> 02:33:07.520
pay per view bring announcer for the
main events. But he remembers the January

2159
02:33:07.600 --> 02:33:11.920
nineteen ninety five nat PEAK Convention,
which is the National Association of Television Program

2160
02:33:11.000 --> 02:33:15.120
Executives. Yeah, you know,
you go there and try to sell the

2161
02:33:15.200 --> 02:33:18.520
television program and advertisers and all the
advertisers go to this convention and walk the

2162
02:33:18.559 --> 02:33:20.840
floor and you try to have your
big wrestlers and your booth to draw attention.

2163
02:33:22.040 --> 02:33:24.479
WWF always took this very seriously,
would often set up a ring and

2164
02:33:24.559 --> 02:33:28.280
have matches to draw attention to their
stuff as part of their syndicated package,

2165
02:33:30.000 --> 02:33:35.440
you know, back when television actually
worked as a business. Exactly. So

2166
02:33:35.520 --> 02:33:41.159
here's Gary Michael Capetti's recollection of just
how different a foot ww is able to

2167
02:33:41.159 --> 02:33:43.920
put forward at the NAPTE Convention,
which of course took place the exact same

2168
02:33:43.000 --> 02:33:48.319
time as the aforementioned Caesar's Palace Clash
of the Champions from January nine, ninety

2169
02:33:48.319 --> 02:33:52.360
five. They booked that show to
coincide with the Convention of nap Tie in

2170
02:33:52.440 --> 02:33:54.520
Vegas, so a lot of the
people that are in attendance of that clash

2171
02:33:54.520 --> 02:34:00.399
were actually at a convention goers and
not ticket buying fans. And you can

2172
02:34:00.440 --> 02:34:01.600
see a lot of people in the
audience of that clash with like suits and

2173
02:34:01.639 --> 02:34:05.760
ties on. It's hilarious. Yeah, that's wild. More Syndication markets their

2174
02:34:05.920 --> 02:34:09.799
new TV shows. Television programmers.
Michael Copeta writes Worldwide. Eric was intent

2175
02:34:09.879 --> 02:34:15.239
on humiliating Vince Junior. He confidently
scheduled the live Clash of the Champions broadcast

2176
02:34:15.280 --> 02:34:18.639
at the Caesar's Palace on the Wednesday
of Convention Week to showcase the ww product

2177
02:34:18.680 --> 02:34:24.760
and show showered convention goers with free
tickets to the televised extravaganza. Bischoff had

2178
02:34:24.799 --> 02:34:28.879
dreamed about this opportunity to humble the
braggadocious Vince McMahon. He was primed to

2179
02:34:28.920 --> 02:34:31.600
take the swagger out of the step
of the King of All Wrestling and presarios,

2180
02:34:31.639 --> 02:34:33.879
and what better place to pick a
fight than in full public view on

2181
02:34:33.920 --> 02:34:37.280
the convention floor of Nappy, The
place where a million dollar deals are commonly

2182
02:34:37.319 --> 02:34:39.959
inked with the flick of a pen. The place that well how elds you're

2183
02:34:39.959 --> 02:34:43.239
going to ink a deal, Gary, right and Fairness. The place that

2184
02:34:43.319 --> 02:34:48.079
sparkles with celebrities who will star in
the programs offered for next year's television season.

2185
02:34:48.280 --> 02:34:50.280
The place where the most powerful media
magnates meet to determine the shows that

2186
02:34:50.280 --> 02:34:54.840
will influence our language, dress,
and pop culture trends. That was about

2187
02:34:54.879 --> 02:34:58.399
power, It was about dominance.
This was better than anything the two wrestling

2188
02:34:58.440 --> 02:35:01.680
execs could script for the ring.
At the Clash production meeting the night before

2189
02:35:01.680 --> 02:35:03.680
the broadcast, Flair raced through the
lineup in a mirror twenty minutes. I

2190
02:35:03.760 --> 02:35:07.600
sat staring at my watch, realizing
that his protective old school mentality had kicked

2191
02:35:07.639 --> 02:35:13.639
in for bidding us from knowing any
more about the TV about the show than

2192
02:35:13.639 --> 02:35:16.760
the TV guide offered our viewers.
As a big complaint at the time,

2193
02:35:18.360 --> 02:35:20.479
of course, Heenan would always complain
about how and shooting interviews, about how

2194
02:35:20.559 --> 02:35:24.959
Tony would know something about what was
about to happen in WCW, like a

2195
02:35:24.000 --> 02:35:28.559
finish or something, or someone who's
going to get fired and kind of like

2196
02:35:28.040 --> 02:35:31.120
consider information power and keep it close
to the vest and not tell Heenan a

2197
02:35:31.159 --> 02:35:35.120
lot of things, including that he
was about to be fired. Tony would

2198
02:35:35.120 --> 02:35:37.079
go on to regret that and say, you know, even though someone higher

2199
02:35:37.120 --> 02:35:39.399
up in the turner chain told me
not to tell, I think it was

2200
02:35:39.440 --> 02:35:43.200
Craig Leathers that Bobby Heenan was about
to be fired. Instead of listening to

2201
02:35:43.280 --> 02:35:46.639
him, I should have then immediately
turned around and called Bobby Heenon and told

2202
02:35:46.719 --> 02:35:50.559
him. But that wasn't how Tony
operated. It also occurred to me that

2203
02:35:50.639 --> 02:35:54.000
he could have faxed the lineup to
me, Michael copetit writes, allowing me

2204
02:35:54.079 --> 02:35:56.479
to spend an extra day at home. I began to feel like this meeting

2205
02:35:56.600 --> 02:36:00.959
was a waste of time. That
is until Bishoff strolled into the room.

2206
02:36:01.280 --> 02:36:03.680
He went directly to the wet bar, grabbed a beer bottle by its neck,

2207
02:36:03.680 --> 02:36:05.760
and smirke, it's only five twenty
here, you guys done already running

2208
02:36:05.799 --> 02:36:09.520
like a Rolex watch. Flair responded, Wow. Eric didn't seem to hear

2209
02:36:09.559 --> 02:36:13.079
the answer and continued, I just
came off the convention floor and we were

2210
02:36:13.159 --> 02:36:16.360
kicking ass McMahon is down and bloody
and can't get up. The production crew

2211
02:36:16.399 --> 02:36:20.120
and announcer stared at Bishoff in silence. It was obvious that our exhilarated leader

2212
02:36:20.159 --> 02:36:24.079
had a lot more to say.
We had a great press conference. I

2213
02:36:24.200 --> 02:36:26.799
drove a steak into his heart twice
and turned it. I wanted to do

2214
02:36:26.879 --> 02:36:28.600
it again, but time ran out. It was especially fun since he had

2215
02:36:28.639 --> 02:36:31.440
his spies there and they ran right
back to him. It must have been

2216
02:36:31.479 --> 02:36:35.719
the steak in the heart comment that
left us dumbfounded. He had no talent.

2217
02:36:35.799 --> 02:36:37.040
At one point, it was just
Vince posing for photos and that went

2218
02:36:37.079 --> 02:36:41.639
over real big. Then he had
joinked the wrestling clown. Pretty pitiful to

2219
02:36:41.680 --> 02:36:46.440
see a clown standing there waiting for
someone to ask for an autograph. That's

2220
02:36:46.479 --> 02:36:52.520
actually so true, as the WCW
chief chuckled, then shugged his long neck

2221
02:36:52.600 --> 02:36:56.239
brew flair sarcastically spouted, Eric,
you're showing your sensitive side, wiping the

2222
02:36:56.319 --> 02:37:00.760
dripping beer from his bishof ignored Rick's
swipe. Well, you know, the

2223
02:37:00.840 --> 02:37:03.559
naptic convention feeds adrenaline through me,
with huge deals going down all over the

2224
02:37:03.600 --> 02:37:05.680
floor. That's what I live for. I can't help it. We're writing

2225
02:37:05.760 --> 02:37:09.040
business signing up affiliates for our syndicated
show. He's the steak and I'm the

2226
02:37:09.079 --> 02:37:13.159
fork and knife, and we're carving
him up. I looked across the room

2227
02:37:13.360 --> 02:37:16.399
at Bobby Heen and gene Oakerland,
two announcers who had reached their height of

2228
02:37:16.479 --> 02:37:20.239
celebrity things to their work on WWF
television. They had been Vince loyalists for

2229
02:37:20.319 --> 02:37:24.680
many years before being lured by Turner's
big money contracts. They slumped in noncharacteristic

2230
02:37:24.840 --> 02:37:31.120
silence, seemingly embarrassed, perhaps feeling
a twinge of guilt upon hearing Bischoff's characterization

2231
02:37:31.239 --> 02:37:33.559
of their former boss. They sat
staring at a picture of water that sat

2232
02:37:33.639 --> 02:37:37.719
on the otherwise empty banquet table before
them. That's so funny to think about

2233
02:37:39.559 --> 02:37:43.840
he and Joly having a deal with
is shitting on Vince all the time.

2234
02:37:43.360 --> 02:37:48.319
Oh, can't say anything, but
to have to be in the room at

2235
02:37:48.360 --> 02:37:50.840
the same time, yep. And
then later on in the year at Slambury

2236
02:37:52.079 --> 02:37:58.159
there was also that was the moment
where competitor realized it was over because he

2237
02:37:58.200 --> 02:38:01.799
hadded the mic over to the Michael
Buffer and you know, he pretty much

2238
02:38:01.840 --> 02:38:05.520
got the word that they had given
up on him. He said Buffer was

2239
02:38:05.559 --> 02:38:09.840
making six thousand dollars per night to
two shows, which was, oh my

2240
02:38:09.120 --> 02:38:13.879
god, quite a bit of money, especially considering he only he only uh

2241
02:38:15.959 --> 02:38:20.399
contracted to main event matches, not
the whole card, which honestly bea a

2242
02:38:20.399 --> 02:38:24.760
little weird for Michael Buffer to introduce
Dustin Rhodes and Blacktop Bully. I kind

2243
02:38:24.799 --> 02:38:28.639
of fine with that. Yeah,
yeah, I am too, but he

2244
02:38:28.760 --> 02:38:33.719
remembers. Uh. Buffer was to
announce the final two matches at Slamboy ninety

2245
02:38:33.719 --> 02:38:35.479
five, which were considered co features. Following the last preliminary match, I

2246
02:38:35.520 --> 02:38:39.680
impatiently waited for Buffer to entered the
ring with that warning, Big Bubba Rogers

2247
02:38:39.799 --> 02:38:41.120
music began to play for the first
co feature, I still had the ring

2248
02:38:41.280 --> 02:38:45.079
like, so I automatically introduced his
match against Sting. I later learned that

2249
02:38:45.120 --> 02:38:48.600
Buffer refused to introduce the co feature
since his contract called on him to work

2250
02:38:48.639 --> 02:38:50.920
only main events. This guy who's
being paid six grand a night declined to

2251
02:38:50.959 --> 02:38:54.440
work a second match, and the
director didn't have the courtesy to let me

2252
02:38:54.559 --> 02:39:01.120
know. And so what's interesting is
that Buffer Buffer actually does the ring announcing

2253
02:39:01.280 --> 02:39:05.879
for arn Anderson versus Mark Merrow.
The final match of the main event broadcast

2254
02:39:07.000 --> 02:39:09.879
that really yeah, took place on
TBS right before Super Brawl went live.

2255
02:39:11.559 --> 02:39:15.639
They were leveraging that Sunday night TBS
slot on pay per view nights to you

2256
02:39:15.680 --> 02:39:18.639
know, do a live show like
they used to do with Sunday Night Heat

2257
02:39:18.639 --> 02:39:22.959
and stuff. And on Buffer did
that match. So I guess that was

2258
02:39:22.959 --> 02:39:26.319
considered a main event of a different
show. Wow. So Dugan was in

2259
02:39:26.399 --> 02:39:30.520
play too, and he's got an
interesting perspective because he was considered part of

2260
02:39:30.559 --> 02:39:33.879
the whole Cogan crew that swept in
a WW nineteen ninety four, and of

2261
02:39:33.920 --> 02:39:37.479
course Dugan ran over Steve Austin infamously
in ten seconds to win the US title

2262
02:39:37.520 --> 02:39:41.319
and Steve never really came back from
that in terms of WCW, and the

2263
02:39:41.399 --> 02:39:46.120
rest is history. But Dugan writes
in his book, when it was those

2264
02:39:46.159 --> 02:39:48.959
business oriented as WCW was getting the
nineteen nineties, everyone was nervous about protecting

2265
02:39:48.959 --> 02:39:52.719
themselves because there was a lot of
mistrust, especially between the different groups.

2266
02:39:54.280 --> 02:39:56.879
I think there was some resentment because
a bunch of US came in around the

2267
02:39:56.920 --> 02:40:00.200
same time and there was a perception
that we were WWF guys us. The

2268
02:40:00.239 --> 02:40:03.079
fact that business picked up almost as
soon as Hogan got there, and then

2269
02:40:03.159 --> 02:40:07.840
kept getting stronger and stronger, probably
created even more tension. The whole thing

2270
02:40:07.959 --> 02:40:11.079
was dumb because in theory, we
were all looking for WCW to succeed,

2271
02:40:11.159 --> 02:40:15.559
but those of us in the Hogan
group got to a point where we didn't

2272
02:40:15.600 --> 02:40:18.520
care about the other camp getting pissed
off. Our attitude was that it was

2273
02:40:18.559 --> 02:40:20.000
all about the business, and business
was going up, so anyone who didn't

2274
02:40:20.079 --> 02:40:24.120
like it needed to put the business
ahead of his own hurt feelings. Damn

2275
02:40:24.280 --> 02:40:30.399
right. So Doug Duggan's feeling like
a king. Of course, feeling like

2276
02:40:30.479 --> 02:40:35.559
he's king made you know, who's
someone who who didn't necessarily see it as

2277
02:40:35.559 --> 02:40:39.040
all all upside business? And maybe
we should just shut our mouths and play

2278
02:40:39.040 --> 02:40:43.440
along. Sure sure. Dave Sullivan, Oh, of course, of course

2279
02:40:43.479 --> 02:40:48.600
he wrestles Kevin Sullivan in one of
the most disastrous matches you'll ever see on

2280
02:40:48.719 --> 02:40:52.879
a pay per view on this card
and to here. Kevin Sullivan tell it

2281
02:40:52.000 --> 02:40:56.879
in the podcast that he does with
the folks at Two Men Power Trip and

2282
02:40:56.959 --> 02:41:01.600
is on Hannibal as well. He
talks about what happened to uh Dave Sullivan

2283
02:41:01.639 --> 02:41:07.559
shortly after the show. I'm going
to tell you a story how Dave lost

2284
02:41:07.680 --> 02:41:16.319
his job and this is a vicious
thing and that happened. Okay, I

2285
02:41:16.639 --> 02:41:26.799
in the group, it was to
me an out and out, fuck you

2286
02:41:26.079 --> 02:41:31.360
and fuck your family. You're gonna
get fired. I'm not going to say

2287
02:41:31.399 --> 02:41:39.280
who said it, but one of
the Hulks protective group, we're at TV

2288
02:41:41.920 --> 02:41:52.840
and some fan said, oh,
he looks exactly like hal Cochin. That

2289
02:41:52.200 --> 02:41:58.840
person that was it. He went
told Hulk, and he told Hulk got

2290
02:42:00.079 --> 02:42:07.440
get rid of him. And that's
how a very nice human being that busted

2291
02:42:07.520 --> 02:42:22.040
his ass got fired by a guy
that was sucking Hogan's ass and didn't give

2292
02:42:22.079 --> 02:42:28.639
a fuck about the other human being. Okay, and the guy probably didn't

2293
02:42:28.639 --> 02:42:33.440
even realize how vicious he was.
He was just trying to protect help.

2294
02:42:35.200 --> 02:42:39.520
Well, if you can't tell the
difference between haw Covid and Dave Sullivan,

2295
02:42:39.600 --> 02:42:43.399
you don't need to be watching wrestling. Why was this all of a sudden

2296
02:42:43.440 --> 02:42:46.799
a problem that he looked like hul
Covid. That was the whole point of

2297
02:42:46.840 --> 02:42:50.600
the whole storyline. And then right
right, I mean I always thought that

2298
02:42:50.719 --> 02:42:54.879
was exact for it. What's the
deal. Kevin makes it sound like it's

2299
02:42:54.879 --> 02:42:58.159
almost like it's one thing for them
to realize that, but it's another for

2300
02:42:58.239 --> 02:43:03.840
a fan to a goof like,
Dave Sullivan looks exactly like hul Cocan because

2301
02:43:03.000 --> 02:43:05.879
I don't know, I'm trying to
like read what he's saying, and maybe

2302
02:43:05.920 --> 02:43:11.079
that's like a knock I guess,
you know, like the fans don't see

2303
02:43:11.159 --> 02:43:13.040
that I look way better than this
guy. They say I look just like

2304
02:43:13.159 --> 02:43:16.239
him, and he would, My
god, would he come out in the

2305
02:43:16.319 --> 02:43:18.879
exact same ring attire as Hogan.
I mean, oh, I mean,

2306
02:43:18.159 --> 02:43:22.639
I mean, Jesus Christ, he's
gonna He's got a very similar physique as

2307
02:43:22.719 --> 02:43:28.680
well, you know, a blonde
hair with the thinning top and and and

2308
02:43:28.799 --> 02:43:33.120
a and a similar kind of upper
body look not as not as uh as

2309
02:43:33.239 --> 02:43:39.319
defined per se as Hogan's like a
little more flabby, but still like you

2310
02:43:39.399 --> 02:43:43.200
know, not, I mean,
there are a lot of there's he could

2311
02:43:43.280 --> 02:43:46.680
easily be a Hogan stand in.
I just don't get how one of Hogan's

2312
02:43:46.719 --> 02:43:50.600
protectors could just like run to him
and say, hey, a fan said,

2313
02:43:50.920 --> 02:43:52.079
Dave Sullivan looks like you. You've
got to get rid of him.

2314
02:43:52.479 --> 02:43:58.239
I mean that's like to me,
that's like fucking Kevin Dunn and the WCW

2315
02:43:58.440 --> 02:44:03.639
Invasion. Yeah, pretty much.
You know, it's the exact same kind

2316
02:44:03.680 --> 02:44:05.760
of mentality, like, how can
you you know, why do you want

2317
02:44:05.799 --> 02:44:09.280
to have guys you know, beaten? You know, I don't want to

2318
02:44:09.280 --> 02:44:15.760
have these guys come in and beat
you work together so closely, like it's

2319
02:44:15.799 --> 02:44:18.600
not like, right, I wonder
in the car to look like Hulkin had

2320
02:44:18.639 --> 02:44:22.920
nothing to do with Hulk on TV. He was fucking I know he was.

2321
02:44:22.040 --> 02:44:24.680
He was a whole camaniac. That's
that song you just played, right,

2322
02:44:26.840 --> 02:44:30.879
very very very bizarre. It is
very bizarre. Kevin clearly thought that

2323
02:44:31.200 --> 02:44:33.600
there was a screw the screws being
put to uh. I guess someone talked

2324
02:44:33.639 --> 02:44:37.760
Hogan and to think it's actually a
problem that he looks just like you because

2325
02:44:37.760 --> 02:44:41.399
already they've already given up on the
Hulk of Maniac storyline with him. That's

2326
02:44:41.440 --> 02:44:43.799
already done with so yeah, right, I mean yeah, but it was

2327
02:44:43.879 --> 02:44:48.760
Kevin Sullivan idea, the whole Evad
Sullivan thing. So he's probably a little

2328
02:44:48.840 --> 02:44:52.879
jilted about, you know, his
story ending up with the guy getting shit

2329
02:44:52.959 --> 02:44:56.280
canned and going absolutely nowhere for anyone
involved. But Dave Sullivan did do an

2330
02:44:56.319 --> 02:45:00.840
interview with Hannibal a little while later
where they a little bit on it,

2331
02:45:00.920 --> 02:45:03.719
and Dave sort of, you know, it doesn't seem like the kind of

2332
02:45:03.760 --> 02:45:07.040
type to really dish and spill the
tea, but this is what he did

2333
02:45:07.079 --> 02:45:09.200
say about it, right, Yeah, that was kind of Kevin's kind of

2334
02:45:09.239 --> 02:45:11.879
put that together, and Hogan agreed
to it, so we went, we

2335
02:45:11.959 --> 02:45:16.879
went with it. Yeah, how
did Hogan treat you? Okay, I

2336
02:45:16.920 --> 02:45:22.040
mean he treats me like like he
treats everybody else, Kainda, I think,

2337
02:45:22.680 --> 02:45:28.920
kind of standoffish, even when you
were tag team partners with him.

2338
02:45:28.200 --> 02:45:33.799
Yeah, Mike wants to know if
you think Bischoff was the right guy to

2339
02:45:33.959 --> 02:45:39.639
lead w CW. No. No, I think when when when that happened,

2340
02:45:39.639 --> 02:45:41.399
I don't think that was good.
He had no background, he was

2341
02:45:41.399 --> 02:45:45.079
an announcer, He never had a
background to run it, and I think

2342
02:45:45.159 --> 02:45:48.920
he just pulled it off and got
that job, you know, and kind

2343
02:45:48.959 --> 02:45:52.120
of and then when Hogan came in, he got all those rights, and

2344
02:45:52.159 --> 02:45:56.079
I think that's where it all went
kind of south. So you felt the

2345
02:45:56.239 --> 02:46:00.239
politics, I know, it got
worse after Hogan came in when all in

2346
02:46:00.360 --> 02:46:05.360
Nash and then you had all those
clicks backstage. What was the atmosphere light

2347
02:46:05.520 --> 02:46:07.319
back there in those days? It
was it was tense. I mean,

2348
02:46:07.399 --> 02:46:11.799
it was just it was it just
wasn't relaxed, just because you had all

2349
02:46:11.879 --> 02:46:15.959
those people making decisions and not one
person kind of guide the decisions. It

2350
02:46:16.079 --> 02:46:18.639
was this decision. I think it
was really hard enough. Kevin quite a

2351
02:46:18.680 --> 02:46:22.159
bit trying to control it all,
and then he especially lost control. I

2352
02:46:22.239 --> 02:46:24.680
mean it's hard, it was.
It was difficult. Too many, too

2353
02:46:24.719 --> 02:46:30.760
many voices did fucking coughing, I
know, going on there. Yeah,

2354
02:46:31.399 --> 02:46:33.799
he definitely did lose control and it
was pretty much Flair running the book for

2355
02:46:33.840 --> 02:46:37.520
a while there. Yeah, over
and above his head. But Solomon is

2356
02:46:37.520 --> 02:46:41.479
always there, you know. But
he's better booking heat than Babyfaces. I

2357
02:46:41.559 --> 02:46:43.639
mean, yeah, you know,
that was the bottom line. His idea

2358
02:46:43.760 --> 02:46:50.399
of like of the hero triumphing in
wrestling was always like, what the fuck,

2359
02:46:50.559 --> 02:46:52.920
Like, Jesus, where did that? Why does that have to be

2360
02:46:52.040 --> 02:46:56.159
so weird? Yeah, yep,
But you know, whenever Kevin Sullivan comes

2361
02:46:56.200 --> 02:47:00.760
up on the podcast, especially considering
that we'll be on the ground in Philly

2362
02:47:00.840 --> 02:47:03.200
here, real soon and who knows
what kind of carnies will run into an

2363
02:47:03.239 --> 02:47:07.000
encounter at the wrestle cons and things
like that. I don't know. I

2364
02:47:07.079 --> 02:47:11.639
get a little nostalgic. And with
Philly coming up and another opportunity to uh

2365
02:47:11.840 --> 02:47:13.760
to interact face to face with folks
like this, I thought, let me

2366
02:47:13.799 --> 02:47:18.920
pull some sound at the time we
met. Oh yes, Yes, pleasure

2367
02:47:18.000 --> 02:47:24.920
to talk to such a last fan
wrestling podcast, last fan, last last

2368
02:47:24.040 --> 02:47:28.680
Yes, we're here with Kevin's Oliver
and it is a distinct honor here at

2369
02:47:28.719 --> 02:47:35.079
Starcast. Absolutely Kevin, what what
is different about today's scene and what's missing

2370
02:47:35.159 --> 02:47:41.239
from today's scene? I think that
we're you guys are gonna see history made

2371
02:47:41.399 --> 02:47:46.479
Sunday. This is a watershed mom
come into all out business, get all

2372
02:47:46.559 --> 02:47:50.559
in n you guys can come out
because they give you what you want.

2373
02:47:50.600 --> 02:47:56.600
You're not getting something shoved down your
throat. And I look for this to

2374
02:47:56.760 --> 02:48:01.200
be the start of something very big
for these guys. I mean, they

2375
02:48:01.280 --> 02:48:05.280
sold the guidance out. I look
for them to take this to London.

2376
02:48:05.079 --> 02:48:09.840
You know they'll have all of Europe
there, right. I mean I see

2377
02:48:09.920 --> 02:48:16.559
nothing but good things. Guys from
my generation, Sometimes everything's better back then.

2378
02:48:16.760 --> 02:48:22.399
No, you know that these kids
the most talented group of all times.

2379
02:48:24.639 --> 02:48:28.600
They've laid waste to cape though.
I mean there's nothing left. But

2380
02:48:28.799 --> 02:48:37.799
I think in some respects that you
can enjoy it more because you know what

2381
02:48:37.920 --> 02:48:43.879
they're doing and you know it's choreograph, but it almost gives you a thing

2382
02:48:43.000 --> 02:48:46.719
when you say, God, how
do they do it like back in the

2383
02:48:46.840 --> 02:48:52.520
day? Mostly yeah, most.
I saw something on TV Land. I

2384
02:48:52.559 --> 02:48:56.319
don't know if you know that yet. They had a Superman one right,

2385
02:48:56.719 --> 02:49:01.280
and it showed the shooter from India
was to win the belt and they boarded

2386
02:49:01.440 --> 02:49:07.559
him up and cemented him in the
dressing room because he was gonna shoot him

2387
02:49:07.559 --> 02:49:11.840
the champion and all the other guys
are saying, oh, he'll hurt us,

2388
02:49:11.840 --> 02:49:15.479
he'll hurt us, And then Superman
sees it. He knocks the door

2389
02:49:15.559 --> 02:49:18.239
down and the guy goes in and
beats the guy for the championship, and

2390
02:49:18.280 --> 02:49:22.399
the promoter says, I love it. I love it real wrestling, and

2391
02:49:22.520 --> 02:49:28.319
I look at them copyright nineteen fifty
three, fifty three. So we're going

2392
02:49:28.360 --> 02:49:31.159
back that far. Can I ask
you about Buddy Rogers and Patt O'Connor Miskey

2393
02:49:31.200 --> 02:49:33.600
Park sixty one. Have you have
you broken in yet? No? No,

2394
02:49:33.680 --> 02:49:35.799
no, that was a decade before
me. Oh decade, pardon,

2395
02:49:35.920 --> 02:49:39.760
pardon, just you know, if
you had perspective, that was those massive.

2396
02:49:39.840 --> 02:49:43.040
I mean people still talk about that
as the Chicago Landmark show. Yeah.

2397
02:49:43.200 --> 02:49:46.159
And you know, here's something that
I think has been over looked.

2398
02:49:48.280 --> 02:49:52.840
This is the home of professional wrestler
myself? Do want network? You know,

2399
02:49:52.040 --> 02:49:56.920
this was the first time so that
I've heard some television people say to

2400
02:49:58.040 --> 02:50:03.079
me, did TV make whistling or
did wrestling make TV? It says so.

2401
02:50:03.239 --> 02:50:07.319
I mean, it's almost a proper
fitting that they came back with this

2402
02:50:07.639 --> 02:50:11.319
historical thing here in Chicago. One
more fact. Now you have things to

2403
02:50:11.360 --> 02:50:13.159
get to. You're a Boston boy. Yeah, we're Boston boys ourselves.

2404
02:50:13.399 --> 02:50:16.520
Cool. I saw a garden show
in the seventies where you announced from Lexington.

2405
02:50:16.600 --> 02:50:20.040
Is that one where you grew up? Well? I grew up and

2406
02:50:20.440 --> 02:50:24.760
I was born in South Boston.
Then we moved to getting their Boston when

2407
02:50:24.840 --> 02:50:26.799
I got to high school. Did
you okay? Good? So take us

2408
02:50:26.840 --> 02:50:31.760
what it's like. Take us through
what it's like shoveling snow in the blizzard

2409
02:50:31.959 --> 02:50:33.959
A seventy six, oh, It
was brutal. It was brutal everything.

2410
02:50:35.520 --> 02:50:39.360
It was the first time I ever
went to a show that was snowed out.

2411
02:50:39.879 --> 02:50:43.360
We went to a Portland, Maine, and we were snowed in for

2412
02:50:43.520 --> 02:50:48.280
three days. No towns. We
were supposed to run Portland, Augusta and

2413
02:50:48.559 --> 02:50:52.799
Lewiston. We got snowed in for
three days. But it was it was

2414
02:50:54.239 --> 02:50:56.200
wild, you know what I mean? There was nothing open. Did you

2415
02:50:56.239 --> 02:51:00.760
shovel your own drive going up?
Yeah? Of course, my potoos are

2416
02:51:00.760 --> 02:51:03.239
gonna do it. How were you? Were you a fishing or did you

2417
02:51:03.399 --> 02:51:05.239
you know, kind of get pissed
off the whole time you had to do

2418
02:51:05.280 --> 02:51:07.840
it? Yeah? Of course I've
a passed software. I'm not gonna say

2419
02:51:07.840 --> 02:51:11.440
anything to him. You know,
bop me in the head, you know

2420
02:51:11.000 --> 02:51:16.600
that full little good correctness? Was
it around? And maybe I would have

2421
02:51:16.680 --> 02:51:18.799
been a better student, different one. Yeah, you have to duck two

2422
02:51:18.840 --> 02:51:22.440
on that. Yeah yeah, yeah. Kevin is an absolute pleasure. Thank

2423
02:51:22.440 --> 02:51:24.479
you for talking to us. I
hope everything goes well for you this week.

2424
02:51:24.760 --> 02:51:30.840
Thank you, thanks so much,
very kind of copyright Yeah, nineteen

2425
02:51:30.920 --> 02:51:33.840
fifty three, fifty three, so
we're going back that far. Can I

2426
02:51:33.879 --> 02:51:37.680
ask you about Buddy Rogers and padd
O'Connor's Whiskey Park sixty one. I guess

2427
02:51:37.719 --> 02:51:41.840
we doubled up there. Oh yeah, that's great. It was so funny.

2428
02:51:41.840 --> 02:51:45.479
Oh god, it's so funny.
Isn't like the basement? Remember there's

2429
02:51:45.479 --> 02:51:50.000
like many levels in the basement,
yep, signing autographs and I'm like,

2430
02:51:50.000 --> 02:51:52.000
I'm gonna asking about shoveling snow somehow, some way. Yeah, it's gotta

2431
02:51:52.040 --> 02:51:56.200
happen. It's gonna happen. Oh
man. So looking forward to more hijinks

2432
02:51:56.280 --> 02:52:01.120
like that coming up in TLF on
the ground is not to be fucked with.

2433
02:52:01.799 --> 02:52:05.559
Absolutely, And finally, we've mentioned
him several times, but I guess

2434
02:52:05.639 --> 02:52:09.760
the neutral party, to such degree
as is possible with this guy in this

2435
02:52:09.879 --> 02:52:13.319
whole thing is Rick Flair. Of
of course, he's a man in between.

2436
02:52:13.479 --> 02:52:16.000
He's kind of retired from the ring, yet he's got more power than

2437
02:52:16.040 --> 02:52:18.000
ever in WCW, at least on
paper and theoretically as head of the booking

2438
02:52:18.040 --> 02:52:22.520
committee. But he's hating it.
So how much of what we see at

2439
02:52:22.520 --> 02:52:24.280
Super Brawl five is his deal?
How much is Hogan's deal? How much

2440
02:52:24.280 --> 02:52:28.120
is Evader's deal? Is even involved? We turn his book quickly to get

2441
02:52:28.840 --> 02:52:35.520
one last bit of situational awareness before
we deep dive this nineteen ninety five WW

2442
02:52:35.680 --> 02:52:39.559
pay per view Flair writs. Hogan
always maintained creative control of his character and

2443
02:52:39.680 --> 02:52:41.399
often had us fly down to Tampa
to have booking meetings at his house.

2444
02:52:43.600 --> 02:52:46.319
Secularly would come up within a contractors
are, of course, not that it

2445
02:52:46.399 --> 02:52:50.040
made any difference. We'd spend weeks
putting a TV show together, but on

2446
02:52:50.079 --> 02:52:52.239
the night of the event he would
come in and change things around. It's

2447
02:52:52.239 --> 02:52:56.200
hard to be the booker when your
primary job responsibility is making sure that one

2448
02:52:56.239 --> 02:53:03.120
guy is happy. I know we've
read this before, and this is why

2449
02:53:03.440 --> 02:53:09.799
I gained some interesting insight. During
this period. He was fixated Flair Rights

2450
02:53:09.040 --> 02:53:13.399
with Dave Meltzer's Wrestling Observer newsletter.
Oh God, this so called dirt sheet

2451
02:53:13.440 --> 02:53:16.719
that a lot of guys condemn,
even though they regularly pass it around and

2452
02:53:16.799 --> 02:53:20.040
read all the gossip, like Brettard
mcfoley hoping thought the Wrestling Observer was the

2453
02:53:20.079 --> 02:53:22.280
Bible. I swear he spent more
time talking about Meltzer than sting, Ted

2454
02:53:22.319 --> 02:53:26.280
Turner or Vince McMahon. I I
once asked him, why would a guy

2455
02:53:26.319 --> 02:53:30.600
with fifty million to the bank care
so much about Dave Meltzer twenty million,

2456
02:53:30.680 --> 02:53:35.319
he corrected me. My entire motivation
for being on the booking committee was finding

2457
02:53:35.319 --> 02:53:37.600
a way to survive. I wasn't
paid an extra dime, but the strategy

2458
02:53:37.639 --> 02:53:43.719
frequently worked against me. I caught
it, brother, brother, what's going

2459
02:53:43.760 --> 02:53:46.600
on, dude? That's us.
Don't don't mess with it. What's his

2460
02:53:46.840 --> 02:53:50.799
dog that he posted videos of one
time? Don't mess with her, brother,

2461
02:53:52.000 --> 02:53:54.079
Don't mess with the dizzle, dude. I got a lot of heat

2462
02:53:54.079 --> 02:53:58.239
from my relationship with Arn flair rights. I pushed for him to join the

2463
02:53:58.239 --> 02:54:00.479
committee. Well, he was on
the committee because if you watch the credits

2464
02:54:00.520 --> 02:54:03.959
on Super Bowl five, Marty Lundy
is right there. That's right, That

2465
02:54:03.120 --> 02:54:05.799
is true, And make no apologies
about it. Arn's the perfect eye for

2466
02:54:05.879 --> 02:54:09.799
that position. He is people skills. And by the way, Barry Darso

2467
02:54:09.879 --> 02:54:11.479
said that arn Anderson was the one
who came up with the black Top Bully

2468
02:54:11.559 --> 02:54:16.200
name, So wow, there's a
merit the knowledge and the authority, and

2469
02:54:16.200 --> 02:54:18.520
perhaps the most important is respected by
his peers. Not everyone shared my opinion,

2470
02:54:18.559 --> 02:54:22.760
and the friendship drove a wedge between
Bischoff and myself. Once, when

2471
02:54:22.760 --> 02:54:24.479
I suggested that Arne win the TV
Championship, Eric sneered, you could roll

2472
02:54:24.559 --> 02:54:28.760
Arn Anderson and shit and you wouldn't
draw a fly. Let me explain just

2473
02:54:28.840 --> 02:54:31.239
how defensive this was to me.
It's by the fact that our matches are

2474
02:54:31.239 --> 02:54:35.040
predetermined. Wrestlers are forced to be
competitive with each other. We're independent contractors,

2475
02:54:35.040 --> 02:54:37.280
so we have to find our own
way in the business. It's almost

2476
02:54:37.319 --> 02:54:39.120
like we're not allowed to be friends. Even when wrestlers are nice to each

2477
02:54:39.120 --> 02:54:43.399
other, they're still working around,
walking around lonely. Yet Arne and I

2478
02:54:43.559 --> 02:54:46.319
had become as close as brothers,
and everyone knew it. For Bischoff to

2479
02:54:46.360 --> 02:54:48.760
make a comment like that in front
of a group of people was like slapping

2480
02:54:48.840 --> 02:54:50.920
me in the face. I could
practically hear Hogan's voice coming out of Eric's

2481
02:54:50.959 --> 02:54:56.079
mouth as he elaborated, Arn's not
colorful. He doesn't move merchandise. Well,

2482
02:54:56.200 --> 02:54:58.319
how many wrestlers did once they left
the World Wrestling Federation marketing machine for

2483
02:54:58.440 --> 02:55:01.520
WSW It's true. One guy who
I was certain could sell a few T

2484
02:55:01.600 --> 02:55:05.079
shirts was Randy much immense savage.
He'd been relegated to an announcer's job in

2485
02:55:05.079 --> 02:55:07.680
the World Wrestling Federation and could have
been doing more. So Eric and I

2486
02:55:07.840 --> 02:55:11.239
used the same strategy we employed to
recruit Hogan. First, I called Randy

2487
02:55:11.319 --> 02:55:15.280
up. Then Eric and I flew
to Florida and took him out to dinner,

2488
02:55:15.319 --> 02:55:18.120
selling him on the company. Later, when the discussions turned to dollars

2489
02:55:18.159 --> 02:55:20.479
and cents, Bill Shaw, who
was Eric's boss and the turner hierarchy,

2490
02:55:20.920 --> 02:55:24.280
asked me, is Randy Savage worth
half a million? I think he is,

2491
02:55:24.520 --> 02:55:26.360
I replied, name recognition. We're
trying to build a company. He's

2492
02:55:26.399 --> 02:55:28.440
another piece of the puzzle. He
still got a lot left in him.

2493
02:55:28.719 --> 02:55:31.600
I was happy when Randy joined WCW. We've been friends for most of my

2494
02:55:31.680 --> 02:55:35.920
career, but almost immediately, Hogan
a pretty big influence on him. I

2495
02:55:35.959 --> 02:55:39.079
felt that Hogan convinced Savage that they
were bigger than the company. Soon it

2496
02:55:39.120 --> 02:55:41.559
wasn't just Hogan messing around with finishes. He and Savage would go out in

2497
02:55:41.600 --> 02:55:45.520
the afternoon, drink beer, show
up at the building and start changing things

2498
02:55:45.600 --> 02:55:50.239
with Eric's approval. After a while, Eric was drinking with them himself.

2499
02:55:50.520 --> 02:55:54.280
The company was anxious for me to
do something with Savage. But you may

2500
02:55:54.319 --> 02:55:56.719
recall they had retired me. Kevin
Sullivan and I came up with an inventive

2501
02:55:56.719 --> 02:56:00.079
way to get around this dilemma.
March nineteenth, ninety five, I have

2502
02:56:00.280 --> 02:56:03.079
uncensored. I stormed the ring dressed
as a woman and jumped Savage in the

2503
02:56:03.079 --> 02:56:05.559
middle of his match. Now that
I was back, I could also interfere

2504
02:56:05.559 --> 02:56:07.920
in Hogan' strap match with Vader later
in the night, because Leon wouldn't lose

2505
02:56:07.959 --> 02:56:11.479
to Hogan and vice versa. I
did the honors. Of course, Ogan

2506
02:56:11.559 --> 02:56:13.399
drag me in all four corners of
the ring to get the win. It

2507
02:56:13.479 --> 02:56:16.159
was a mind boggling finish. How
could an intruder come in and lose the

2508
02:56:16.239 --> 02:56:22.000
match? Well, because the company
was really fucked Wow with that, boss,

2509
02:56:22.040 --> 02:56:26.479
we prepare ourselves to dodge this puppy. I go something for you.

2510
02:56:26.760 --> 02:56:28.879
I'm glad it didn't come up.
Oh okay, great, this is good

2511
02:56:30.000 --> 02:56:31.920
regale me. So. Uh.
I don't know if you know this or

2512
02:56:33.000 --> 02:56:37.639
not, but I actually I had
a uh. I would have access to

2513
02:56:37.680 --> 02:56:39.639
a VHS copy of the show.
Oh nice, I did not know that.

2514
02:56:39.719 --> 02:56:45.920
And on the video you did the
Nasty Boys thing. Yes, okay,

2515
02:56:45.959 --> 02:56:46.520
you can do it now. I
won't do it, all right,

2516
02:56:48.000 --> 02:56:50.200
you're gonna do it later. You
had it all, oh darn excited.

2517
02:56:50.319 --> 02:56:54.680
Yeah, this is they had it
before the show started. They had this

2518
02:56:54.799 --> 02:56:58.680
whole fucking skit and the Nasty Boys
so bizarre. It must be like a

2519
02:56:58.799 --> 02:57:01.639
deal they cut with like Mary and
Tourism or something. But you could play

2520
02:57:01.639 --> 02:57:03.719
it, I guess, but yeah, I got it here, I got

2521
02:57:03.840 --> 02:57:07.719
the fucking uh uh yeah it opens
it comes again right before you get the

2522
02:57:09.159 --> 02:57:13.520
the Turner Home Entertainment logo, and
then this shit happens and you see them

2523
02:57:13.600 --> 02:57:20.319
go to the Science Museum an aquarium. They wit sprinkle things like this the

2524
02:57:20.399 --> 02:57:24.040
home video releases so well, yeah, it's like their Colosseum video version,

2525
02:57:24.120 --> 02:57:28.559
you know, with like the exclusive
Colssum video exclude the one with real we

2526
02:57:28.600 --> 02:57:33.239
had one time it was him walking
around La right with talk about OJ and

2527
02:57:33.280 --> 02:57:37.120
stuff. Yeah yeah, yeah,
yeah that was like nowhere. You couldn't

2528
02:57:37.120 --> 02:57:41.520
find that anywhere besides the video itself
so bizarre. But here this is uh,

2529
02:57:41.639 --> 02:57:46.200
here's the Nasty Boys, like completely
not being nasty. It's kind of

2530
02:57:46.239 --> 02:57:54.239
weird. Yes, sad you off
in the Harbor, Baltimore, that's right

2531
02:57:54.280 --> 02:57:56.520
with the Nasty Boys. They roping
stopping her on the street score in the

2532
02:57:56.639 --> 02:58:00.920
ring. We like to relax too, so did I. We're taking a

2533
02:58:01.000 --> 02:58:05.079
corm of the lovely city of Baltimore
and maybe, well, nasty sides and

2534
02:58:05.639 --> 02:58:07.719
what about it? I don't know
if I can handle the house. The

2535
02:58:07.840 --> 02:58:11.680
air's too clean, moon, No
bus engines are running, no smog is

2536
02:58:11.760 --> 02:58:16.360
settling in, no garbage is smelling, and no stores are smoking. I

2537
02:58:16.440 --> 02:58:18.280
might have to get out of here
before you know it. Well, they're

2538
02:58:18.360 --> 02:58:20.959
not nasty. We're gonna have a
good time. And why didn't feel a

2539
02:58:22.040 --> 02:58:24.520
little feeding on the walls now?
But we could do that? Oh my

2540
02:58:24.600 --> 02:58:35.440
god? Yeah, nothing, nasty
cats are right here. It's getting built.

2541
02:58:35.799 --> 02:58:39.239
Yeah, I don't look so far? All right looking? Okay?

2542
02:58:41.399 --> 02:58:46.360
Yes to say? So what they're
doing is at the science museum is this

2543
02:58:46.600 --> 02:58:52.120
kind of kids science museum. They're
building a tower out of legos on on

2544
02:58:52.479 --> 02:58:56.959
a surface that can shake, so
you can simulate an earthquake and just see

2545
02:58:56.040 --> 02:59:01.360
and see if you created a building
that was stayed to stand an earthquake.

2546
02:59:01.479 --> 02:59:05.040
Yes, that's what there's your mine. Hey, what's just butting down here

2547
02:59:05.200 --> 02:59:15.159
for? Don't push that fucking hi? Hi hi. We just built that

2548
02:59:15.319 --> 02:59:18.159
up from scratch. It's supposed to
the earthquake broke your building. Build it

2549
02:59:18.280 --> 02:59:26.360
right. Next time we'll have to
start over down. Let's go pick what

2550
02:59:26.559 --> 02:59:30.559
tell you this? I? What
is this do? Ohright, guys?

2551
02:59:31.360 --> 02:59:35.799
Where this works? How does this
work? A second? I can show

2552
02:59:35.799 --> 02:59:37.120
you how it works. Yeah,
sure, sure, I'll tell you what

2553
02:59:37.399 --> 02:59:41.159
I can. Step out on the
side there. He's standing right up on

2554
02:59:41.200 --> 02:59:43.639
this crate. All right, I
just put your hand on the dom.

2555
02:59:43.719 --> 02:59:46.559
Put my head over your Now what
I do Now it's going hurt a bit,

2556
02:59:46.719 --> 02:59:52.520
so sure, I'm absolutely positive the
doom. All right, you're good.

2557
02:59:52.680 --> 02:59:56.760
Hold on all right? I see
this is our vandigraft generator. What

2558
02:59:56.920 --> 03:00:01.239
we created is is static electricity.
Hey, you're standing up here, me

2559
03:00:01.319 --> 03:00:09.920
coming covered in charge, your hair
standing off there? It is she recovered

2560
03:00:09.079 --> 03:00:15.319
negative charges just like this machine.
Yeah, and similar elections charges will kill

2561
03:00:15.360 --> 03:00:24.360
each other. Nice. Alright?
Hey, what's out over there? Starting

2562
03:00:24.440 --> 03:00:30.399
where you're going by? I'm getting
shot burning off? Where's he going?

2563
03:00:30.959 --> 03:00:35.120
Alright? I got shot in the
back. Turn this thing offside all right?

2564
03:00:35.319 --> 03:00:43.040
Whatever? Put him outside, cut
it off. You're getting shot on,

2565
03:00:43.200 --> 03:00:48.879
dude, the biggest brawl of them
all due what killed degree? Yet?

2566
03:00:48.920 --> 03:00:50.479
Degreed? Put your hand byers.
Are you ready? All right?

2567
03:00:50.559 --> 03:01:05.440
One? Two, three, we're
worn to go where fit is? No

2568
03:01:05.920 --> 03:01:09.319
till guys, you see a big
guy missing two big black mohawk, Yeah,

2569
03:01:11.000 --> 03:01:13.639
exact, Yeah. I went on
to the quays. Yeah, quarry,

2570
03:01:13.840 --> 03:01:22.079
the staff and the s s the
quarry, morrisey guy, where is

2571
03:01:22.200 --> 03:01:28.639
he at? Hey? Did anybody
see a big guy missing to mohawk?

2572
03:01:28.479 --> 03:01:35.399
I don't see. Yes, I'm
looking for a big guy missing to mohawk,

2573
03:01:35.520 --> 03:01:41.319
black hair mohawk? If like that? No, sir, what's in

2574
03:01:41.440 --> 03:01:52.280
here? Oh? It looks a
little bit like h Scary Sherry, sister

2575
03:01:52.399 --> 03:02:01.600
Sherry's face. Oh wait a minute, wait a minute, he's picking up

2576
03:02:01.959 --> 03:02:05.520
a horseshoe crab. Just so you
know what it is. Oh my gosh,

2577
03:02:05.559 --> 03:02:09.000
it's a horseshoe crab. And that's
what Scary Sherry's face looks. O

2578
03:02:09.840 --> 03:02:13.479
this look this, look, this
looks a little bit like my partner SAgs.

2579
03:02:13.879 --> 03:02:16.079
Look at even at teeth. Have
you seen anybody like this around?

2580
03:02:16.159 --> 03:02:22.200
A face like this? I do
recall somebody like that going to the rainforest

2581
03:02:24.200 --> 03:02:31.680
side, No side, where is
he at? Boy? It's hot here?

2582
03:02:33.319 --> 03:02:35.399
We have to keep it. This
st stop a strainfark. Really,

2583
03:02:35.760 --> 03:02:41.120
it's kind of nasty, kind of
enjoying myself a little. Let's not worrying

2584
03:02:41.120 --> 03:02:48.120
about like clean on show me the
rest of the tour, right, you

2585
03:02:48.239 --> 03:02:50.479
need a little help with that?
Come on, come on run. Let's

2586
03:02:50.559 --> 03:02:58.280
all sorts this doll. Say.
If you like dolphins, I have something

2587
03:02:58.360 --> 03:03:03.920
you'll really like. You follow me? Okay, Aurrah, you're a nasty

2588
03:03:03.079 --> 03:03:13.319
boys. Hey, where have you
been? Where you been today? Right

2589
03:03:13.360 --> 03:03:16.079
behind me? Were all over the
Science center looking for you, all over

2590
03:03:16.159 --> 03:03:18.280
the aquarium. I couldn't fight teen
whales. I've seen chips, I seen

2591
03:03:18.360 --> 03:03:22.559
it all. Then you weren't around. When these two rotten kids locked me

2592
03:03:22.600 --> 03:03:24.959
in the door in the submarine,
I couldn't get out for an hour.

2593
03:03:24.200 --> 03:03:30.079
Really, Hey, Dolphins show was
about the stars were together? What's what?

2594
03:03:30.600 --> 03:04:05.559
Arah? What an incredible day I
had my pana wait, wait to

2595
03:04:05.639 --> 03:04:07.520
super Bowl? Eat up and let's
go all right? All right, okay,

2596
03:04:07.639 --> 03:04:18.479
all right, disgusting it's so viz. They munch on some Maryland crabs

2597
03:04:18.520 --> 03:04:22.159
to close it out, right.
Yeah, the Super Bowl five VHS jacket

2598
03:04:22.200 --> 03:04:24.600
does have like a little burst,
like a voice bubble on it. It

2599
03:04:24.680 --> 03:04:30.200
says the nasty boys go on vacation
so bizarre. And the extra footage I

2600
03:04:30.239 --> 03:04:33.319
mentioned before was the Bashard the Beach
ninety five cassette, which you know,

2601
03:04:33.399 --> 03:04:37.200
Ah covered that. That's another Hogan
Invader match in the cage on Huntington Beach.

2602
03:04:37.959 --> 03:04:41.479
And extra footage blue Blood's Tour Hollywood. Remember it was him and Bobby

2603
03:04:41.479 --> 03:04:46.040
eaton Blue Blood's Tour Hollywood. Is
that got Tom Selleck and uh Donny Walbury

2604
03:04:48.319 --> 03:04:54.920
no comment? But yes, so
much bizarre little side projects just to fill

2605
03:04:54.040 --> 03:04:56.600
the home video box. I guess
I don't know why they would do this.

2606
03:04:58.840 --> 03:05:00.360
I don't know. I guess it
makes you I want to go to

2607
03:05:00.399 --> 03:05:05.959
the Maryland Science Center. I guess
it doesn't. But sure, so it's

2608
03:05:05.159 --> 03:05:09.879
super Brawl five and before we deep
dive this match by match, blow by

2609
03:05:09.920 --> 03:05:13.040
blow, boss, I believe it's
time for the Super Brawl five death toll.

2610
03:05:13.879 --> 03:05:16.959
We do. It is time,
It is time, and there are

2611
03:05:18.319 --> 03:05:30.879
sixteen oh no, sixteen referee Randy
Anderson. Sure well he's not actually fifteen.

2612
03:05:30.959 --> 03:05:31.760
I don't know why I have Dusty
Rose down here. He's not on

2613
03:05:31.840 --> 03:05:35.920
the show. Well, he's on
the main event as a co commentator.

2614
03:05:35.120 --> 03:05:37.000
Oh that's right, that's right.
That's right, that's right. That's why

2615
03:05:37.000 --> 03:05:39.440
I have him down right, because
he's a co commentator in the main event.

2616
03:05:39.719 --> 03:05:43.799
They play clips of it in favor
attacks them, Dusty Rhodes, Gene

2617
03:05:43.840 --> 03:05:52.200
Okerland, Bobby Heenan, Harley Race
Barely, Nick Bockwinkle, Sister Sherry,

2618
03:05:52.799 --> 03:05:56.799
Pedro Morales. Wow, he's there
as a commentator for the Spanish feed.

2619
03:05:56.399 --> 03:06:03.000
Miguel Alonso. Oh wow, his
commentator Parker Yep, Paul Orndorf, Brad

2620
03:06:03.120 --> 03:06:09.360
Armstrong on the main event show,
Dino Casanova. Sure, one of the

2621
03:06:09.399 --> 03:06:16.639
two brones that Vader beats up Yep, Randy Savage, the Avalanche, Big

2622
03:06:16.120 --> 03:06:24.680
Bubba Rogers and the man they call
Vodder. Wow. Yeah, Vader's gone.

2623
03:06:24.879 --> 03:06:28.319
That's crazy. Yeah, you said
heenan, Right, I did say

2624
03:06:28.360 --> 03:06:33.440
Heenan. Oh. Bless them all, Bless super Brawl five and join us,

2625
03:06:33.680 --> 03:06:35.719
ladies and gentlemen on this one of
a kind adventure. What happens when

2626
03:06:35.760 --> 03:06:39.639
the Hulkster and the man they call
Vader collide one on one for the very

2627
03:06:39.680 --> 03:06:43.840
first time. About to find out
on the flip side of this break,

2628
03:06:43.879 --> 03:06:43.840
it's that fucking cast