Hellllo, ladies and gentleman, and welcome to the five hundred and seventeenth episode
of the Geek First Podcast. I'm the clown Prince of Red Trust. Now
I'm joined by I'm the organic mechanic Crickle Patzer. I'm the abundant Delmas.
Yes we are here. I'd probably not guessed by those names, but hopefully
you clicked on this episode because you saw a furiosa. Suppose I guess i'll
edit after I should say FROs that Mad Max story for that, you know,
se o glorious, SEO, gotta get that going on. But doing
that or it's a saga, right, Mad Max saga? Is that?
What a Mad Max saga? Yeah, you're right. It's also stupid.
I get why they do it, but you know, like, come on
now, Mad Max story, saga chapter. We're gonna see it. If
they don't have that title, people are gonna see it. Be like this
is like Mad Max. This is kind of like that Mad Max movie.
What is the definition of a saga? That's a good question, just a
collection of so I'm I'm sure probably most franchises are saga. But I to
me, a saga is like lower the rings where it's spanning multiple decades.
I almost think it's like chronicles, right, what's chronicles? Then? Yeah,
a long involved story. Okay, so I thought it was like an
actual number, but maybe not. It's just as long evolved story, long
story about past, long story, and that would make sense. I guess
this movie, the first one came out in like the eighties, right,
or it was the eighties, so that makes sense. It's it's just not
the way I think of it. And I guess maybe you can call it
that now is because it's like the first time, you know what it counts.
I don't think it's in the title, but it's the first time it's
a character that's not Max as the main character as well, So that's kind
of a thing too, where it's like it's spreading out past our main character.
So I guess so this show and then a chronicle is a record of
things that happened. Since we're on the topic, I have to drop that
out. Okay, that could be, well, the Chronicles of Narnia.
That doesn't make sense at all because that's not real, right, No,
what did but what did you say? Was the definition again? A factual,
written account of important or historical events in the order the frame of Narnia.
Is it like someone telling a story I can't remember. I can't remember
either. I think I feel like it could be someone like opens a book
and tell Yeah, yeah, it sounds right, and like you said,
factual, but it's like that's factual in the movie world, right, you
know, Like Lord of the Rings isn't the Lord of the Ring, Like
there's that's there's not the Lord of any chronicle the Chronicle of the Rings.
Yeah, Chronicle of the Lord of the Rings. Of the Chronicle the Rings
has a ring to it. I gotta say, maybe that's what they're going
to call the Golm one hunt for a Golm Chronicle of the Rings. You
know, so chronicles of Andy Serkis and team Yeah, but no transition.
Go on to feed. There's lots of stuff very Dylan trast centric this week.
Me and Dylan were on news. We're on Side Quest. We got
that going on. There's a big thing that draw up this week, Dylan.
It is in the for people that want to know what Dylan's talking about.
The link is in the top in the description below. The thing that
I haven't talked about yet but is my game is out now. Oh,
it's out this week, Potion problem. Check it out. It's on Steam.
You can buy it for a me easley seven ninety nine US dollars.
That's not much, right, that's less than like a coffee. Now,
that's that's like a grande than coffee. Yeah, exactly, better, more
healthier than coffee as well, too, better for the mine, yes,
I hope. So it's an educational game, so yeah, teachers, you
gotta make coffee exactly different types the chronicles, how you can make oceans.
Yeah, hey, that's a sequel. Someday, Tom, I guarantee you
the next five years, there's gonna be a game or movie from Geek.
First. It's gonna have the word chronicle in it and saga in it.
Oh you knows, Yeah, told the saga wait till we get it to
Adrenochrome four. But when it's not about Hunter, it's like the Hunter saga
and it's like about something else saga. Yeah exactly. So yeah, lots
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get to it, because the night is not young here in old Northern Canada.
Right, We're no, no, we're not northern, where are we?
So? Yeah, but we're not for the joke, so we don't
want to be southern or west or west. Yeah, we're Western Canadians,
so and we don't look you don't understand the bit. Just to just adulton
over there making munches and feed the kids. You know, uh, Kirkham
Patser we and I guess last in the show as I transitioned into Kirkland.
We have reviewed every single Mad Max movie. Now we're about to do the
last the saga. Next week. We'll do like we differ apes when we'll
do a ranking where we'll rank the films ten characters, best scenes. So
you can't check on the feeds all four of those are there. They are
lots of fun and just tons of fun time about the filmmaking of these because
there are some crazy stories, especially those early ones of people just inches away
from dying but they managed to you know with hell so kirkhl Patzer, the
Original war Boys, the original war Boys. Yeah, so what did you
feel about in a nonspoit way for Furiosa the fifth edition of the Mad Mat
Saga, like the way you phrased that. Yeah, No, this was
my first ever like theater experience of a Mad Max movie ever. You know,
Furio Road probably would have been the one that I would have been able
to jump on the time, but I missed out on that. So this
is my first time seeing just this high octane world with high octane energy on
the big screen, and I had a really fun time with it. I
think it was more than what I was expecting. I feel like I like
the character enough of Furiosa in Fury Road almost said road Warrior. I got
all the Mad Maxes in my mind right now Thunderdome of the Fury Road.
But no, yeah, I feel like I wasn't super attached to that character,
like I thought she was really interesting, especially the way that Charlie's portrayed
her, but to dive into her whole kind of prequel story I was.
I wasn't like super super hype for other than it just having the high octane
action. But man, I really really like this character now after seeing just
the evolution the origin of it, And yeah, I just had a really
fun time following her journey here. I really liked our main villain as well,
Chris Hemsworth. I was looking forward to him from the trailers, and
I feel like I was just grinning every single time he was on screen.
And then it got like later on when I was maybe just a little bit
more fearful of the character, more so than just the wacky look that you
eventually get through. But no, yeah, I had a fun time with
this one. I think it's a really good just story in this kind of
more modern Mad Max world. They they it's all it's all like the same
post apocalyptic world I guess, but just the specific universe that like started with
Fury Road. I feel like this is just another great yeah like story in
that universe. So yeah, I thought it was really good and I'm excited
unpacked with you, guys, Dylan, there's lots of unpacked with you because
the viewers, including some of our selves, have not known your thoughts on
the Mad Max. I'm not saying that you had watched them, but it's
a it's a barren wasteland over there as far as your thoughts on the Mad
Mats, So did your experience, Yeah, I've seen Fury Road. I
think I watched it with you, Travis. Is that incorrect? I told
you to watch it. I think you might have watched my copy, but
I don't think you watched it with me. That was what it is.
I have a very looked over Forest Ghost, Travis. I have a foggy
memory that's clearly so foggy. It's not even true that like not your last
place, but two houses ago that you lived in watching it there with you
good old bit. Maybe I just grabbed the DVD for me. I don't
know, That's probably what happened. There's also a chance you could have just
come over and I was watching it there as well, because like Fury Road
used to be a good like, right if you're coming a podcast and you
came over and it's just on the TV and I'm just watching like that could
have happened as well too, So it's possible. I know I have seen
the whole movie, but I have very little memory of it, and I've
not seen any of the originals. And there you go. That's my history
facts. It's very very short and sweet. Going into this, I I
guess I had very little expectations, But at the same time, I feel
like the trailers do really set up what the story is. For the most
part, I had a good time with this. I think I'm a little
bit mixed on it, and the things that I'm not mixed on the the
visuals are a course fantastic, and the world of Man Max is really great.
One thing I was judging a lot and the trailers was just like the
color correction look really wacky. But I think in the theater it looked really
good. And they also kind of differentiate it from like the past versus like
the present of this movie. There's like a slight different look to it,
but I think both of them look good. I love the look of all
just the crazy trucks and vehicles and tech and all the weird characters and their
hilarious names are so fun. It's a world that I'm so unfamiliar with that
like a lot of that was really new to me, and I really enjoyed
that. And so in terms of it being like a popcorn flick a good
time in the theater, it was that. I think where I the mixed
parts of it. I'm not really negative on anything, but I think for
me, where this movie didn't quite that next tier is that to me,
it was kind of lacking the emotional side of things. It lacked like the
emotional core, never really tugged to my heartstrings in any way. And then
for a movie like this, like it doesn't need to, but in this
one, it's it is trying in a few ways, and I feel like
there's certain characters storylines that just didn't really work for me in that way.
And then the other thing is I don't think I was ever surprised once in
this movie. I feel like based on the trailers, I could have guessed
what the general plot was, and it's pretty much just that. And I
don't feel like we ever like took some corner, took some turn around a
corner, and there was something crazy and wow and unexpected there. It was
all kind of buy the books by the numbers. So so yeah, I
had a good time with it, but I guess it just didn't blow me
away. It didn't have the wow factor onto it, and I don't think
i'll ever I would be surprised if I ever watched this movie again in my
life. Like, I don't think I ever need to go back to it
for any particular reason. Maybe I YouTube one particular cool scene, but otherwise,
yeah, I don't think it's gonna have much of an impact on me
in the long term, which I unfortunately I think is the case for Fury
Road because I have so little memory of it. I think it kind of
went in one year of the other, which is two bad because I feel
like in theory, I like a lot of the stuff going on with this
world, but so far, two movies and it's not maybe not my cup
of Tea per se. Yeah, and don't go back to the uh the
other ones. I don't think those would be anymore of the cup of Tea.
Then there's there's just some it's very very very indie at some times and
some Yeah, yeah, you're not getting with Chris Hensworth's performance in those those
early ones. So uh yeah, No, I'm excited that you guys have
a bit more mixed feelings on it or as high as me, because I
don't. I always hate these reviews, but I really don't really have anything
to negative to say. I got like one point and the rest is all
like aces like I got. I got nothing like everything from I know that
was a big debate of oh something the CGI doesn't work in the trailers like
for me, once it's on the screen in the movies, it all has
this really type of different their worldly looks. Sometimes this in particular Fury Road,
because like Kirkle was talking about the first three, they're in a different
class of their own. The Fury Road is like a new code of paint
per se, a code of chromat on it. It's a completely and that's
what I love, and that's why a few things that surprised me, is
the entire first act works. I'll wait until again the spoilers and the most
thing that surprised me was the trailers to me, were really making it look
like it was super high out, tame and fast paced and everything like Fury
Road, and it's not that so spoiler like mind spoils on like the tone
of the movie, but just to prep you also when I can jump a
story spoilers, it's it feels to me very similar. It's funny. It's
so I shouted the Alien ret Road not only because we're doing it in hon
A Romulus, but when I'm excited because we haven't done Alien too yet.
But there's like a big divide between like Alien and Aliens because Alien is like,
you know, we talked about the whore isolated movie, and then Aliens
is that's kick ass and we're fighting the you know, the Xenomors and stuff.
This to me feels okay. Both directors capture the mad Max world but
have a very different way of going about it. But it's the same guy
to me, like Fury Road is a non it's one chase scene for two
hours, and this is not that. And even the chase scenes, I
think there's a few scenes that get to Fury Road, but even there's a
few or majority of the vehicle action scenes are not like the ones in Fear
Road. To me, they're closer to the ones in the original three.
I'm not sure Kurkling if you agree that that. To me, they're like
they're slower paced and there's not as much like there is tons of quick edits,
but not the exact same, And I think they're a bit more I
won't don't want to say character driven, but there's I just feel like they
they're built up a lot more, where with Fury Row the whole thing is
a chase, so that's where you can't really do that. That's a whole
different aesthetic. But so yeah, it kind of reminded me of the older
Mad max Is but way updated. And I like that way more because those
movies I appreciate, but I don't really I enjoy them to like a a
good amount as you can go check all the retros. But Fierroal I love,
and yeah, this one I love. Hamsworth was fantastic. I don't
know what we're gonna do for me when we get to films at Golden Geeks
because we got like him, we got uh, we got a Scooby Doo.
Yeah, yeah, what do we do? We got awesome Butler from
Dune, we got uh, god, what's his name? Caesar Prime from
whatever the hell apes? Yeah, Kingdom, And I feel like there's another
one in there, Like I feel like, and we got a couple of
what I thought you're talking about your ranking of mad Maxims next week, I'm
like, oh, Austin Butler was in Period Road. I didn't know about.
Oh no, I just mean like, usually, yeah, I feel
like with movies and actors actions that happens. But sometimes think with films like
okay, we got one, maybe to the villain is usually a runaway.
I think last year was a case where it wasn't a runaway because it was
all like a bunch of kind of beats here, Like it's like Godzilla versus
so and so, right, But Helmsworth just he's delivering this weird like Captain
Jack Captain Hook mixed with like a little bit of heat Joker, because there's
multiple things that are actually just like the exact same as a Joker from Dark
Knight. I don't think George Miller intended that, but yeah, and Annie
Taylor Joy is really good. I think it's tough the role she has to
do because she is in the role that Tom Hardy is in Fury Road,
where she doesn't get many lines and she's she is the main focus. But
I think just like in Mad Max how Furiosa stole the movie away from him,
I think Hamsworth kind of steals the move away from her. And that's
why I love for the first almost half this movie much like American Psycho to
me, for it shows you can make movies about terrible people and it be
compelling because the first act this movie is all about the villains and the antagonists,
and that's why I loved and that's why I was very surprised. And
my hyperbolic take will be I have to look at them all, but this
might be my favorite prequel per se because we just did the Apes, and
like the those apes, movies are deaf free prequels, but at the same
time we've argued they could be a new timeline. There's very few prequels to
me that are any worth any amount of time, And for me, the
stuff that they delved in into wasn't stuff like, oh, you're ruining the
original or you're getting too close. Like I was interested in all this stuff,
the politics, how everything was built up, the certain connections each character,
seeing some characters younger, I thought they did a fantastic job, and
yeah, I just George Miller man like it's just like I'm really hoping the
next one is the Mad Max Wasteland movie because I want to I want to
get a trilogy of these Mad Max movies so I can kind of dovetail it.
But I cannot wait to get this on home release, and I cannot
just wait to do this and fear oaed back to back. I just I
absolutely loved this movie. I loved the revenge thriller. I loved I actually
enjoyed all the characters stuff. But I thought they gave me a good enough
reason to care for all the things they put firo So for. And I
now I see why they didn't have Charlie's come back. I still missed her,
but I thought Anya did a great job, so I could see why,
because they're covering some very very young years here, and it probably would
have seemed a little weird. And I think George Miller even talked about all
we thought about de aging. But I didn't want to do that because it
kind of takes away. And I think I agree for the most part.
When it's a lead, I think supporting characters and whatnot you can do.
But if you were to the age the whole time, probably could get a
little distracting and a little expensive too. But uh no, I love this,
this is up there. I can't I'll have to watch this in Dune.
I think Dune's still my top for the year. But it's a one
A, one B situation. George Miller Man just just a master of sandy
top it is. Yeah, there was just one shot I would take that
look like it and I was like, man, if war brothers wanted to,
you know, they can connect to I don't want them to do it
at all. But there's just a shot where it's like, man, like
they just love sand this year, you know. So that's Paul's next enemy
Firiosa, Oh my god, yeah, more more enjoye fit right into the
Dune universe or something like. Just I'd love to see when him and the
like one of the Beza generary bick well, we got to have like one
of his babies, you know. That'll that'll help maybe that's in Dune Prophecy.
Maybe that'll be the big hook, you know, but anything else,
oh god, Yeah, I wanted to quickly shout out because I forgot to
mention it. Just the sound design, Like, I feel like the visuals
were super standouty, but the specific sound design for me was something that just
totally stood out in the whole movie because in a lot of the action scenes,
there's not like a really stand out like I feel like score that's like
boosting it. It's just like a lot more in the background. But for
the specific moments that I felt like the sound design just shine through, was
like the subtleties, whether it was like I don't know, like a character
falls and you hear like very specifically like a random metallic like hook or something
on his bike like hit the ground. It just felt like it piers through
my ears a lot more than like I normally would have maybe noticed those moments,
And I feel like the subtlety of the actual like music behind the action
just just lifted up all those other parts. So yeah, I found the
sound design really good in Fury Road, but this one in particular, just
I feel like because it wasn't as high octane in your face. I was
like looking for it more and then like, maybe it's like a Daredevil effect
because I my sin is our heighten in the because of that. But no,
I thought it was. I thought it was amazing and uh we're already
shout out visuals, but yeah it was. I thought it looked really good.
Plus you're in the Adobe this time with the theater as well. Yeah
exactly. Yeah, we will get T's thoughts because he's unsure. We'll get
his thoughts on the ranking. So we'll see IMAX thoughts too, that's thoughts.
Yeah, yeah, So anything else, don spoilers before we crack this
open. M crack this canteen open. All right, we'll be right back.
Tell them to spoilers for Firosa. I'm Madden Hax Saga and we're back.
Where do you want to start? I well, I would love to
uh ask you guys a question and this may be helpful for anyone who didn't
join you guys on the retro, but uh, where where does where does
the first three movies lie in? Like the timeline relation to this and Fury
Road is avide that there's a lot of characters in this that were in those
original movies to some extent. Oh so oh fury Road okay, oh yeah,
all the Citadel people there in Fury Road, and then everybody else is
not off like Furros of course too. But I think if you would have
got that one, Dylan, you're asking too like the originals, right,
yeahah yeah. None of those characters I don't think are in this at all,
and even Fury Road, like I think on the retros, Taylor was
making the argument of like trying to trying to connect like those original ones of
like where they could potentially fit into the timeline. But Mad Max is like
the only reoccurring character I would think, And that's why it just feels like
an anthology type story. And I even felt like that going through the mel
Gibson ones. Other than like the direct sequel, it just felt like a
story about this guy, and they're just like stories, not necessarily in the
chronological order of things. Just this is the playground, this is the badass
and leather and a gun and a cool car, and like, these are
the stories. And that's kind of how I took those, and that's why
I was saying, like furiy Road, it just seems, as Travis put
it, like a fresh coat of paint on the entire sagas whatever they are.
In the Originals, they have actors. There's an actor in two and
three that's same actor but different characters, like different names. But then people
think like theory, like theorize, oh, could it be the same person
the person that played toe Cutter, the very first villain in the first Mad
Max he plays more in Joe and Fear Road. So they just go They
just like, oh, yeah, we like using these actors, and we'll
go again. But I think, so it's a weird thing because I've thought
about this a few times because we just did this, and technically Furious is
a kid when the Wasteland's already bare and right like I'll see you at the
Greenland, but it's already gone, even though Charlie's thereon is older than uh,
what's his name, Tom Hardy. Technically Inferior Road, you're supposed to
watch as Tom Hardy is older than her because Tom mad Max is a young
adult. How ol would you say he's in early twenties when the goals goes
to shit Kirkland when he loses his family, the yeah, like yeah,
and she's a kid, aking maybe not even born yet, so there's supposed
to be twenty years fifteen to twenty years between him, and that's clearly not
the case. So you gotta change that. Because even here we did get
to you know, again we're in SPOS, we did get to see a
adult mad Max, while there was a very younger final area, yeah,
which I was very happy we didn't go any further because I was like,
oh God, like yes, truly, well, no that I would have
been finding even if Arnold schwartzener. I'm just happy they didn't interact. That
was my worry of him seeing her down there, because they don't interact till
fear Roda was like the call him Strider. Yeah, we're gonna get bad
thing of like, oh legless, have you heard of this man before?
Like you might meet him one day. It's like, okay. I didn't
want him to be the one that like picked her up and just dropped her
off, which because it does fit like that's what he does. He just
goes around begrudgually helping people. But that I thought that was like a fun,
fun cameo. I liked that. That's a good, good amount because
when I was watching this, I was thinking like, man, those original
movies, if it's like a younger version of Max, like they must be
somewhere close in like the actual year count to where this movie takes place.
But I guess they don't really worry about it too much, Like are the
places similar at all, like the names of these towns or cities or anything.
Gas Town is well, wait, it was gas out over. They
the original movies must also take it must all be in Australia, right,
Like that's the setting of everything. They had a gas town actually in the
second Road Warry, right, that's where they go, but it's not this
size, right, So either gas Town has grown because like years happened,
because I think unfortunately for Max, he's probably he's been the Apocalypse for about
thirty years, so he's been there for quite a while, So Gastown could
have grown, or it's another gas town that is just so well we own
and stuff. But and I was gonna say they they definitely are in Australia
because he's got Australians, But at the same point, by the time you
get to the like the third he could be anywhere in the world because it's
just everything's gone to crap and you got Tina Turner there, who's you know,
hanging out. But is there ever like boat travel or anything. It's
all feel like that Australia is just so far away from everything that I don't
really see how they would get elsewhere. That's so much sand there was done.
It filled up the water, the lakes, and there's the whole world
right out. Yeah, you know, like in winter. How even though
the shot in this movie is off Australia surrounded by waters, still, yeah,
it's gonna fill up your road. It's gonna be in the next few
years. Yeah, but I would assume they're all barren Australia, And yeah,
they kind of get worse and worse because the first Mad Max starts,
it's like it's kind of in the middle of COVID if you think about that
way, where it's an operating world, but it's very like barren and people
aren't outside, and then it just gets worse and worse to what we have
now, which is just uh, mountains and sands, you know, mm
hmm. Yeah, gotcha, Kirk. You like the bad Max cameo?
Yeah, I did. I agree with you. I like the you know,
the the distance of it all. I thought that would have really brought
down the whole experience. It's like, hey, kid top in and he's
the one that like saves her. Then it's just like thinking about their interactions
in Fury Road, like it just wouldn't have made sense. So I am
happy with it. I feel like mad Max just loves those types of perches,
like Fury Road had the shot of him up on a hill like that.
Oh yeah, the second Mad Max Road Warrior had like a similar type
peak that he was on and so he's just kind of sitting by his car,
maybe having a snack, maybe doing whatever. So yeah, I thought
it was fun and yeah good, and then we were laughing our ass off
of the next scene because they set up these people which I don't think we
saw, Like this is a side note before I forget about it. I
don't think we saw many of them. And Fear Road, if at all,
these like weird. I'm not gonna call them witches, but something whatever
is underneath the citadel with those maggots and they're growing stuff. Stay here,
nasty, Yeah you'll be safe. Yeah, this is peaceful here. And
all the maggots that was that was disgusting, But shut of those actresses.
They sold that and I I was laughing as I, Oh, it's funny
because it's Anya as well. But I was getting like witch vibes, just
like that level of grotesque and yeah, just the zoom in of the maggots
and like the one that was scooping, like the fucking toe jam off that
one just severed leg. Like yeah, it's like when you go to Subsidy
don't Air and they're like scraping the meat off the thing. I can never
look at that again thanks of that visual, I guess. I like,
if we jump back to the first act, I suppose if there was anything
that was surprising to me in this movie, it was just how long that
sequence was and now it took what forty five minutes to actually see Anya on
screen. That was that was very unexpected for me from the trailers, but
also just like from a story perspective, that they would spend that much time
with her being that young. I guess, yeah, yeah, I was
also very surprised. I felt, yeah, I thought we were gonna get
it for like maybe less than ten minutes and then straight to Anya. But
I quite liked actually those sequences as well, Like I thought that the there
is certain moments that it feels like we are maybe just fast traveling to locations
for the sake of just pushing along the story. But I thought, like
the patient of all that introductory stuff as we were like starting on, like
just going like with with this young version of Huriosa, I was like,
oh, this might feel like a drag, But no, I really liked
just the sequence of all of that and just showing like the pursuit of her
mother, like chasing her through and just being like hit Man forty seven in
the desert, just sniping these uh, these these I was gonna say,
poor bikers, these these bikers that deserved what they were. These we know,
we know who's side Kirklan is. And then forty day Oil War whatever
they call it, call me to jam. Yeah, no, shout that
actress. I guarantee you, whatever name is, male fight on the review,
you're gonna see her like a bunch of stuff. Now, I guarantee
you. We're going, oh that's a girl from Firo says girl Funerals.
Because not only is she good in it, she's just she's in it a
lot. And now I would argue that chapter, which is funny enough,
I would argue Chris Hemsworth is like the main character of the first act,
but still she still has to hold her own a few times and not stick
out like okay, Like I never at any point new any was coming,
but I was never going, oh, this is dragon because it's the kid,
you know, and that's just don't want, you know, want some
really bad kid actress. And that's what I did end up liking. I
was surprised to see it took me for kind of a whirl, and I
think I enjoyed that. I don't think I needed it to hate Chris Hemsworth
more because I think they do multiple things to make me go, okay,
I want this character get killed if he's a bad person. X Y and
Z, Like they could have had Anya grow up at the point when they
put her mom on the cross, right and like, hey, justify already
burn a mom in front of her daughter. I got that, but I
think it was just his workings. I think it was also to see him
kindkind of grow some affection for her. At the end of the day when
he got the chance for power, he still gave her up, but he
kept wanting more and more to give her up. I did like at the
end of the movie, we because sometimes they leave that as a mystery,
and I'm fine with it if they do. That's why I thought they were
going a joker. He fled your route. But unless he's lying, but
he he said at the beginning of the movie he did have a family,
and then he doubled down on it to me in his last moment, so
I don't think he's lying about it. I don't think what he came back
so he has this bear, so I kind of like that there's something that
symbolizes something he used to have. But that shows why this character is a
piece of shit because at the end of the day, one also the things
he did, but he still chose to sell her and you know, okay,
I'll take water food for X, Y and Z even though he's like,
oh, this is my daughter and yeah, da da da da.
But that's what I liked, is didn't to me establish that I needed him
to be the villain. I just like seeing the inner workings of Demetrius's mind
and just how he had these lofty goals because even we'll get but at the
end when he's like, oh, you're a little d like this is perfect,
Like he wants to go out like a caesar or like a you know,
a king Theda, Like he wants this big, noble death. He
wants to die in battle. He wants to be like ridden about and stuff,
which some of his actions, yeah, witnessed me, but some of
his actions don't like fit that. He wants the legacy of like a true
king, but he doesn't act that way. He actually way as far as
power, but he's constantly sacrificing his man. He's just trying to make power
plays. He could have just he I don't. We don't know what everything
is. But that's what I like throughout the movie that keeps saying like,
hey, this guy, he's just running gas down and into the ground.
Like I like that. It shows that his kind of aching for power is
probably what screwed him in the end. If he would have probably just sat
down and worked with them in a gas down. So that's what I think
the first act did to me was Okay, he established he's a bad guy,
but he also establish to me what his downfall was, and hemswereth y
app we already said it. But he was fantastic in this role. So
yeah, I know it's a. It's a good observation of the character because
I liked seeing kind of the downfall of it. But I feel like I
didn't really just compare where he was in the early stages, where especially that
cloak that he has, like throughout the movie, that just gets dirtier and
dirtier, Like at the end, obviously he's like getting super gray and he
just looks more stressed. He's got wrinkles, whereas the first time we see
him, it's like he's an angelic character where he has this like just pure
white cloak that's like just floating in the wind. No one's ever looked that
good in the Mad Max universe. I don't mean like like clean skin and
like put together, Like in all five movies like this the fifth, they're
always dirty and raw and teeth and stinky and stuff. So that's where it's
like, even if it's like a makeshift one, he is like the model
of this world and stuff. And he's so spoken and he's yeah, semi
caring, right, He's like give her our Beth bast water and get to
yeah, and he's he's like he's talking like this savior of the wasteland,
especially when they go to the Citadel the first time, and he's yeah,
promises right, Yeah, like he's just so pumped. And then by like
later on when we see him in like dire straits, like yeah, he's
he's putting his interpreter guy like we had run the chariot. Yeah, like
just all these actions. So yeah, I like that. I'm yeah,
I mean, it's so fun having Hemsworth in a role like this since we're
just so he stimplants the war of course, but yeah, it just it
it echoed to me bad times at the l Royale and not in the like
in that movie. He has like a certain swagger to him. Where is
this he's more of just like a total piece of shit type of character.
Of course, they're both villainous characters, so there's some overlap there, but
I think it's he can just really tap into a role like this in a
big way. And yeah, you're right, Like he really truly was the
kind of protagonist of like the first half of this movie. And it's not
like he disappears for the end of it either, Like he's still always there
and always has a presence and he's always always great. I do think a
couple weaker points for me, like one is that storyline of like he had
this family and they were lost, because I feel like it truly is just
like two throwaway lines, and I'm like, okay, if we have no
connection to these characters, like is that enough for us to have sympathy for
him? Is that the purpose? Because I had no point but any sort
of sympathy for him because he's so bad, and like, okay, he
had a family, but we don't know really like they died, I guess,
but we don't have any more information. We don't even really know if
it's real, like he could be lying about it too, So I think
that part didn't really work for me so much. And then this is kind
of jumping the end of the bit, but I think it was really fun
seeing him gradually climb up in power and take more control over the waistline.
It's kind of that like joke of like starting with like a thumbtack and like
trading it up and up until you trade it for a house, that kind
of thing, because I feel like he just constantly was doing that with a
little power plays here there, like making the first trade for with those people
from the Citadel for like, okay, a little food for oil, and
then he eventually builds up and takes over gas Town. Then he doesn't need
to at all, but he goes and takes over the Bullet Farm, which
feels like it has no bearing on like helping him what he's doing. And
then he has to go for the citadel at that point because it's because he's
truly like just destroyed their resources and their ability to go on. But I
think, to me, then the downfall of it is like most movies would
have a big montage sequence like be the middle of this movie, where it's
like him climbing to power and taking all this stuff, But this movie has
like the downfall as like a montage at the end where it's like this forty
year war and it's like a one more day set day. Sorry, but
it's played through in like forty seconds. And then we go to like Firio
so which I think, to me, that was too bad, because like
I guess we already saw a bit of his downfall because he was so bad
at dealing with the resource side of things. But I don't know, I
guess that was maybe a bit too brief when I feel like there was easily
other points in the movie where you could have cut stuff or like, you
know, I like the opening first act sequence with the pre Anya stuff,
but like you could have shortened that somewhat and maybe dealt a little bit more
into that, I think for the pacing of it, Like we already had
big action set pieces near the end, so we didn't necessarily need that for
the forty Day War. But I still think that is a bit of a
detractor for me, And so like a combination of that, and then I
think I kind of saw that definitely Travis, the relationship with him and and
Furiosa, Like I I don't feel like he really cared about her at all
at any point, Like the way he just gave her away without any hesitation
though you know he he no, he did hesitate. He he said,
I'm not giving her up. I'm not giving her up, and then he
started alliance at this okay, twelve seconds or something, but hesitated and a
couple more watermelons, you know, Okay, Well, yeah, to me,
it didn't show, didn't demonstrate to me that he really cared about her
at all. In the fact that he couldn't recognize her for a very long
time also was to me as if he had just completely forgot about her existence
and then and he finally noticed who she was. I just felt like he
was trying to do that to like maybe get an upper hand and survive the
situation by like trying to smooth talker a bit. So I guess I perceived
a bit of that differently. But I don't know. How did you guys
feel about the forty day War and that kind of just being like really kind
of glazed over quickly to get to the ending like moment between them. Yeah,
I felt like I was caught off guard because I don't know. Maybe
I just don't fully I'm not super fluent in ausye, but I did not
hear him say the forty day War. I thought it was like the fortieth
War or something, or like the something like I heard forty in there,
But I didn't know what the relevance of it because it was just so fast.
Obviously I saw bodies and then like just taking apart at all the cars,
people stealing boots and whatnot. So I assumed there was some time that
had passed, But I think just because it happened so quickly, and like
by this point too, we had already kind of been jumping around quite a
bit that I At first, I was a little bit like easy, like,
uh, like they are jumping really fast here. But I kind of
just got into it as we got more and more along with the film,
certain questions that maybe we just like skip through, like how they would make
sense. I just was accepting that more more and more. I'll go to
some of those specifics after. But no, I thought, for like,
you make a good point, especially with Dementus's just maybe like forgetfulness of like
the whole torture of her mother and basically losing her. I feel like it
took a lot a long time to just get to that answer, for him
to actually realize who she was. So yeah, see, so I'll talk
in the Forty Day War a second. I thought, the reason it took
that long is because that's how many people he's wronged. And it's like,
you're probably not wrong, but it's just I felt insignificant because of that.
If she was so important to him, wouldn't the recall be a bit better
on that? I think that's just like, because it's been fifteen years.
I think that's just how many people, like, that's how bad this guy
is. How many people has he burned on a cross? How many people
has he like torn to pieces? I think my other piece of why.
So here's where when I say he cares about her, I don't mean in
the sense that he ever truly loved her. I think he cares about her
in like a property sense and like owning her. But stuff like when this
citadel tacks him, he does stay back to save her. And that's the
thing where it's like we see multiple times, maybe he sacrifice people, his
life is at risk. Why would he try to save this girl in this
moment. And I don't think he loves her, but I think there's some
some whether whatever whatever this guy cares about as far as property, he cares
enough about her to put his life on the line when these fucking war boys
are jumping from the mountain, sacrificing himself. He's fighting off those witches.
He has the chain wrapped down around his arm, He's pulling the whole vehicle
by himself just to get this girl. Where later on at the end of
the movie, he's doing none of that. He's letting everybody die. He'll
get anyone die. So that's where I say there's something there. I think
you know, yeah, I guess the earlier sequences of it. I more
saw it is like he wanted to keep her around because she could lead him
to the green Place, and so that's where he was. Maybe he was
being like extra, you know, killing her with kindness sort of thing because
he just wanted something out ofvert. Now you're making some good points of later
on when like he's not really too concerned about that anymore and he's more just
trying to make deals happen with the Citadel and further his stuff going on there.
But to me, that's like always kind of in the back of his
head through like that whole earlier phase of the movie. That's what I want
more on because that's something that didn't work for me because I got that he
wanted that, but it's like, clearly, this girl's not gonna talk.
The mom's dead. I just I wanted to know what his I guess that
was just his endgame. Maybe he was killed with kindness, but it's like,
was he just gonna have this girl grow up to be like forty years
old in this cage if she didn't say anything? Right? Like, I
wanted a little bit more of what was what was the game play. She
doesn't say anything right, but that's where he has or sat with the whole
truthsareer guy, which I like that. I liked that character. I like
him writing. I liked her, you know, explain like that, the
little back and forth they had, and he ended up making it that guy
too somewhere because they can tell the stories. So for the Forty Day War,
I didn't mind it, just because they showed the only way that Demetrius
and as people could get a one up on the Citadel balls by tricking them.
So the second goes to war, it's over. Like. That's what
I really appreciate, and that's what really fit with fury Road is. I
love he gets there, Oh yeah, you guys are rise up. We
can take this over. I can give you their water, give you their
food, and they do that one war boy. I'm like, Okay,
it's gonna go to war. But this citadel destroys them and obviously they got
home terf advantage, but they just destroy them because I feel, yeah,
sure there's some warriors on Hempsforth's side, but I feel like they're all kind
of renegades and they're just like the not the pick of the litter right where
the war boys they're all ripped, they're torn, they're they're called war boys.
So that's why for me it's I guess I didn't need the montage there
because one like you said, I don't think we need any more action stuff.
But I just took it as okay, the second you go to war,
and even more than Joe kind of said that, like you've crossed me,
we do go to war, it's over. So that's why I guess
I bought just okay, it's forty a war, but it's really just systematically
the Citadel killing his whole clan day by day by day. Oh say,
they lost a lot of war boys and stuff, and Joe was just sitting
up there. So that's why I was fine with the montage there. Yeah
they're own Valhella. Yeah, they're alln Valelaya, and there was a lot
of that. I appreciate them sticking to that. Like the best one was
we laugh Kirkling is when Antary Joy got the diamond, goes to throw it
and the war boy grats that witness me and then dies flips the vehicle.
Like I love how we got that in Fear Road, But it felt like
even more. These guys were so damn like I want to make sure I
died, Like when guy's like spray himself with gasoline so like he'll sit on
fire. Like. I love that they kept that mentality because to me,
this is the height of it where no one's questioning more than Joe. He's
the young like he's young, like clearly his skin's like doing a bit better
than it is later on, but he's the young war leader. And I
loved everything they did there, I was still wanting a little bit more.
I feel like we only got one Morton Joe like like you know, point
at the guy and like get them all hyped. He wasn't the full monologue
that he gives Nicholas the whole character. I'll carry you to the gates of
Valhalla myself. I got no mediocres in this, so I I, yeah,
I like you. I absolutely loved all the war boys inclusion of this,
but I think I just love them so much. I wanted a little
bit more. But fair Yeah, I'm glad, Like I'm happy I got
that one moment where yeah, Anya is just like very clearly gonna throw the
just grabs it right over hand. Whenness jumps back and to this driver who
doesn't give off. He's trying to do like it like the witness me bloodbag,
which kirktly. I could be wrong because just a piece of armor.
But did you infer that the driver of the war tank was probably a cop
in the original world because he had that shoulder blade like Max and his friend
right now, Anya gets one eventually, but I just thought he was Australia
to me, just had similar vibes of the cops in the first movie,
and I was wondering and he was just the way he wanted to train her,
take her on the wind. I'm not sure if they're trying to make
them friends or romantic. I wasn't digging the more romantic vibes they went with.
I was fine with just I got what Yeah, and I don't think
that was there. I think this was unfortunately the role that ya Ya was
supposed to play, and then he had to drop out. I would be
very curious to see that dynamic was a really different casting. Yeah, but
I just because Yaya was cast and they had drop ups becusion. I don't
know who else he would have played because it was already h Chris Hemsworth was
already cast, and Onya was already cast, and Ya Ya was third.
And I just feel like when you look at characters had the most meat,
I feel like he's am I wrong in saying that Driver got the most like
a third not billing, but like as far as character and being on screen,
Yeah, biggest cacharacter for sure. Yeah, and that's why I feel
like all the Lackeys, which get a lot, maybe more screen time overall,
but doesn't have as much substance. Yeah, man, I would love
to see Yah yeah, because I think Yeah has a very good energy.
But I liked this guy enough. But yeah, I wasn't digging the more
romantic seven If so, I guess they just didn't have the chemistry there.
I also just don't know. I don't know if the age was working for
me. Maybe they're very similar in age, but he was looking a lot
lot older and she's still supposed to be I think, like so she was
maybe this has been fifteen years, Okay, she's probably like in her twenties
or something in this movie. Still, you know. Just yeah, I
liked his, uh, his presence. I mean that's what a lot of
these characters are who a lot of them don't really maybe have a lot of
dialogue, so it is about that presence. I think he was cool in
that way. But yeah, I think the the love dynamic that was another
thing where you know, tugging on the heart strings. That that scene was
not like it's pretty sad of course when he's getting just dragged around in the
cereble for hours and hours, but I wasn't. I wasn't personally sad for
them in their relationship in that moment. So I don't know. I think
he maybe served his purpose, but yeah, I'm curious what the intention was
was to be there, But it came across a little a little goofy maybe
patron drat Patron Dragan Jack Jack play by Tom Burke. And it's funny because
I didn't I thought I may be misheard it as pretorian Max the first time
this is this US just like the cash New Mad Max. Here, I
realized pretty quickly it was not the case. And I've only seen one thing,
and I didn't love him in that either. He was in this movie
called The Wonder of Florence Pew and he was her love interest. And I
just don't know if he has like Uh, it's kind of like how I
feel about the Rock, where I feel that the rock can never be a
good He doesn'tutcome or something. He doesn't have a chemistry of females, you
know, like he has chemistry with men. No. No, yeah,
he had no chills that way. So yeah, I just wish they just
made more the mentee. And that's why I was looking, because I'm pretty
sure he is closer age. It's just the beer or whatnot threw me off.
But I just wish the mentor stuff just hit more that route because she
could still do this the head thing and the like you can come with me
and stuff like just because he saved her, and I agree that you don't
where I didn't feel the loss of him and felt like he was almost like
an afterthought at that point because she's just gone but very well done. Like
we all know she loses her arm, but how how they did it?
And like the just like again calling the tires and then it's like hanging on
and then Hams for the wrench of that Crain is like, oh my god,
like and and I felt like they almost could have gone a bit more
gorrier. This is a radar movie. I was surprised to begin the movie
when they had those chains around the guy's limbs and head that they like covered
up by smoke, like it's already a radar. So I surprised the stuff,
like even with the hand, like it was there dripping, but they
didn't show like ripping off or hanging by a thread. I thought they were
gonna but it was still still gross. So they saved all that for the
maggots they did. Yeah, like this Gore budget went uh yeah for for
Predatory and Jack. I I liked him in the role. I think it
helps knowing that he wasn't going to make it through. I guess I didn't
know for certain that he was going to die or anything, but like he
was an inferior road and there's no like her writing letters to another man,
Like I'd never thought that this guy was making it through this film personally,
I mean, yeah, I think that they were going for some of the
romantic isms, but I'm glad they didn't like force it down our throats and
like make them kiss or something like I did like the coaching role that he
was in and just kind of like their introduction, like I think that was
Yeah, I think that was my favorite scene actually the entire movie. I'll
call it a sequence more than a scene because it's just a much longer like
the whole war rig battle when she's just the stowaway and then she like,
you know, by the end of it, she's her whatever the roles are,
I can't remember what they're called. But no, I thought that whole
sequence was really really good and just him kind of taking her under his wing.
It was it kind of seemed weird that he like drove away and then
walked back, like where did he park the war rig? Like I feel
like someone's gonna just gta imagine you just look down and that things just going
like, oh man, when just more and Joe, this is gonna suck.
But no, I, oh sorry, I was just gonna add on
to that action sequence because that was my That was definitely my my favorite action
sequence of the movie. And you know, I had very much that classic
Mad Max sort of energy going on to it. But I just love the
phases of it. I just feel like we kept we'd clear out a round
of enemies and then like another wave would come in and felt like a video
game in that way, you know, a Horde mode sit situation. But
all the just I like the look of those enemies they were fighting there,
who kind of had like the long like frilly helmets. I don't know if
that's like an established faction or something like that, but I like their their
the bike that they had that was attached to the guy who had like skates,
and then it would turn to like the pair sales so they could get
up top, which honestly seemed way too complicated for not much gain. Like
the spears they had seemed to work just fine from the ground, but I
like how extra it is that really worked for me. And then I just
I love too on the the war rig, how they had like that one
I guess poll that they had to use like to get back and forth from
the two things. Once again, does not seem like you really need that,
Like it seems like to have any moving part as part of the engineering
of that is just over complicating things like what if it gets stuck on the
side and someone needs to get across. So many logistical issues, but I
think it made for really fun visuals to it. So yeah, that was
just such a fun sequence all around. I love that they had fans.
It's like jet packs to propel them for Yeah, that's the spikes on the
back of the truck too, and they went to overdrive and use that.
It was so cool. That sequence for me was that it's a bunch of
people but because he writes his watch like man, George Miller, he's just
so cool and he's just thinking like, hey, what random regular day appliances
can we have come over to the wastelands? Like yeah, there would be
fans, I guess right, Like you could fashion that as like, oh,
you're gonna use that propel ford and whatnot, and yeah, that that
I think. I agree. It's probably the best sequence of the movie.
And yeah, very well done. And that's I know. Kirk and Tar
always talk about the Star Wars Arts game. They want. That sequence wanted
made me want a mad Max Artist game. I don't know how it would
work because you'd constantly be moving, but it was just cool if, like
like you said, down, like just these different waves of coming in.
I could just imagine like Okay, you got a convoy and you have your
certain selects of armies, like okay, this is speed, this is the
aerial, Like what you're gonna you have to defend? Like your tank over
there, like, especially with the waistline. I was like, man,
I would be so down for an arts that's I recently bought that twenty fifteen
Mad Max. This is on stuff like two dollars. I'm gonna be playing
it soon again. I haven't booted it up yet, but yeah, we
should do a little sidequest episode talking about that. Yeah. Oh there's there's
so many times too, like the driving that game did a good job where
it's like, man, this feels exactly like that moment it went in the
game when you're like too close to the hill and stuff. But yeah,
great, great students. And I love the guns. I love the guns
that are like brass nuts or the knives, so much good stuff. And
when that that like devil guy that tortured her mother like shows up with the
just fucking like octopus squid arm ballue whatever the hell that was, and I
loved it too because you can kind of see him like way off in the
distance. I recognize, like the balloon from when you know Young Anya,
I guess Young Furio. So it gets kidnapped like it's at that little hideout
I guess there, so like I knew it was Dementus's crew, but like
it just seems so far away, and then as you guys were saying,
with just the waves, they like take out the one wave and then it
just gets like super close and then it's him with his uh, I don't
even know what his his machine gun set up was. It was just like
five submachine guns like all like wrapped around each other. Just yeah, the
design was was fantastic, but and that like he should have been on Sarn's
team, like with that helmet and everything. Yeah, he was scary,
dark mad going on there. And that like prolonged sequence of the whole war
rig battle that was where like the score in that I don't know if it
changed, but it just seemed like just like a really like quiet like drum
beat or something like it. Like it just I don't know, it just
seemed like you would have like the high Kane like electric guitar. I guess
we didn't have that big uh the big amp truck that we had in the
Fury Road, but it just seems like that's when you would have that sort
of like music come in, but it never came, and I thought it.
I thought it uplifted the scene, honestly, and there's multiple cues they
did it throughout the movie, but in that scene, especially where the music
they did have then the sound effects, it almost goes silent just to show
off one effect. I think it was when Anya like loaded a gun or
shot someone, not when she was threatening the driver or at one point she
got the gun and turned and everything was quiet except for that, and then
she shot and then everything came like rushing right back. It's like, oh
man, that that's some good stuff. And I would love to see like
the script on that, and is it something we're in that script that they
really put it, or it's the edit of like, hey, what moment
works the best for like a drop everything and then wush it back. So
just that to me will be a very fun sequence to rewatch. And that's
where again, of course lots that is cgi where they're driving, but like
they're not on exactly the road, like Anya is not under there and stuff.
But that's where I think there's a good for me blend of it.
Where we always refer back to it, or at least I do, is
when we did Anne Jones, like, oh man, I miss like those
days. And this to me is again like fury Road where of course there's
CGI's stuff happening in effects, but it feels like such a good blend where
you are not just feel like, Okay, I'm just watching just computer animation
right now, which can be good in certain things, but when it's mixed
with a lot of these real life elements or actors, you want to feel
like there's some danger there, and I think obviously design and stuff and it
helps that. I think most of time when the characters are CGI, it's
a very far shot, like every time they show Crim's head for Crew,
it's all CGI obviously and lots of war boys. But I like when ROP
close and personally they do their best to no one's turning into a spaghetti guy
or something like that. You know, no log trucks, No log trucks.
That's what they gotta put in Mad Max trees in this world. Yeah,
except for the Green Place. That'll be a villain. He's the guy
because we never foun't have him a green play, so he chopped it all
up and then you're gonna see this guy with logs and Furos can be like,
oh my god, that's the green place. So there you go.
It's my pitch for number six. Uh, let's take an ad break and
they're gonna hear it, Dylan has to say, and we're back. Dylan
lead us away. Yeah. I was gonna ask in in Ferial Road,
is there is there any resolution or mentioned of the Green Place. Yeah,
it's destroyed, but they don't know why. Okay, so I guess we
don't have that. There's no reveal yet, no destroyed it. And that's
why I wonder, because they he says if he makes mad Max six,
Furios will not be back because all mad max Is are like, he's the
word. It's supposed to be him and Hardy making it mad Max Wasteland and
it'll be a new story. So I guess they're just gonna leave that up
to uh, the mystery of who took it out, because I thought in
this movie they were going to reveal who did that, but they didn't.
So that's just I guess some other either just died out or some other faction
destroyed it. So yeah, because I feel like they didn't even really leave
a thread open of who would have gone to do that, because all the
crew members from Dementus's crew had died and that information never as far as we
know traveled over to anyone else. So yeah, I guess that wouldn't really
make any sense, which I really like that seeing that remind me a lot
of ORCS when they were both bicker and who's going to get to tell like
only my lips to his ears are my words? And then poor guy gets
it. Not poor guy, he's a piece of shit. But guy gets
his throats and he's trying to say the other guys thrilled, like where is
he in here? How do you know this information? Oh? Well the
other guy told me, we'll break it. Yeah, So I really liked
the kind of standoff. You could feel like this guy was like a scrub
and he was like trying like, oh, if I can get this information,
I can get in their circle. And he didn't. He didn't get
there. So mm hmm, yeah, I like that. One thing I
want to jump back to the any kind of prequel sequence is I thought the
mom character was really fun. She was just such a badass. I think
she's another character like many others, who doesn't have a lot of dialogue,
but I thought her face acting was great. I just thought like showing off
her skills as a tracker was really great. Because obviously that we're meant to
see that. Oh yeah, Furios picked up a lot of her skills from
watching her mom. But just like that whole tracking sequence, which once again,
as we mentioned, like goes on way longer than I would have expected
it to. It like, it goes to night time, then we're back
in the daytime, we have some sandstorms, we're having all this other stuff
going on. But I just thought the like, every once in a while,
like when she would get off her bike to take off the sniper,
I'm like, you can't be getting off your bike. You gotta keep chasing
them, but like it would always work out, and then when she cuts
the corner around the other hill to catch up with them, So shout outs
to that character. I thought she was, like just from the trailers,
Yeah, thought she would maybe have two or three minutes of screen time,
we'd get the quick backstory and then move on. But instead I thought she
ended up being like a really cool, badass character. So yeah, shows
to her. It felt like very RPG like too, the way that she
was just I mean even even Dementus's crew, like anytime someone just drops someone
just looting his fucking bike, they're they're you know, they're stealing the tire.
They're like they're just taking all of the rare items exchange for their basic
items, slight upgrade of their tires, whatever it is, putting like an
extra gas tank on on their bike or whatnot. And I mean even the
mother character when like it was probably for you know, a disguise for sneaking
in the camp, but when she like takes that guy's gear, I'm like,
this is just totally reminded me of like a you just kill like a
Superair boss and you steal his helm and and you're going along. Uh So,
yeah, I completely agree with you. I thought that character was so
bad ass, and the whole tracking stuff was was really good and a lot
more than I thought we were going to be getting for it. So I
mean I already shouted out that earlier portion of just her you know, trying
to get furios back, but yeah, it was good, and shout out
the other girl that was her helper at the beginning. The blonde was Chris
Hemsworth's wife, and I didn't know. Emily told me that the one that
gets her face missed it was also Hemsworth's wife as well, So I missed
that completely because it happens yeah same lady. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
so they had that. But no, I agree with everything you guys
said. I enjoyed the character, enjoy the sequences. I enjoyed it was
a again it I don't know if we've we've seen some tracking, but like
you guys are talking about something about the tires, certain elements, I don't
think we've seen that in Mad Max per se that lots of the on foot
stuff, you know. So yeah, I enjoyed that. And then a
couple characters over at the Citadel, I mean one like the bigger guy who's
like the strategist. I don't know what you'd call him, but just like
having that like mask on his wiener and then he like the nipples, Uh,
something crazy going on there. Yeah, what a character. But the
the leader of the camp what was his name more than Joe Morton? Joe?
Yeah? Yeah? What's going on with his armor? Like is it
is it circulating something around him? Is it just visual? Like I I
couldn't figure out what I was looking at with his Uh. I think it
is because he is younger here, so his skin isn't as bad. But
in Fury Road they have to put that armor on him, and before they
put on you see a couple of shots and his skin is just like rantid,
like it's bubbling. It's all act like burn damage or something. Well,
I think it's more in that because like like because then he had that
baby and it had the four legs. I think there's something internally like eating
away at him, like a like a wasteland by like like what is it
in fallout when you're out there and you don't want to get the reds?
Yeah, it'd be like that. He's equivalent of that. So I think
right now it's not as bad. But in Furiy Road his face is more
messed up. So I think he probably got something and this is his like
the breathing apparatus, apparatus, the arm or all that stuff is trying to
help him deter stuff or keep him alive, whatever it may be. So
yeah, I kind of forgot about that scene with the with the baby.
Yeah that's very unfortunate. Uh four legs and then three tries in your out
and you're just become a milker, I guess. So that was got to
see a few of the dynamics there, and that was an interesting uh,
wrinkles well, because that nothing's spoken about in Fear Road and Fear Road she
is just like a loyal soldier and not saying in a bad ways. It
doesn't break can or anything, just that she was destined to be a mother
and then got out of there and disguised herself as a mute boy. I
really liked. God, what's Scross's brother? Name's he's Nathan Jones, used
to be rested. Yeah, he's he's great in Fear Road and he's great
here. And I love them showing Furros like outsmart him because he's kind of
simple in the idea of making this wigged. She knows, hey, at
some point, this guy's gonna be back and he's obsessed with my hair,
So what am I gonna do? Uh? And then get away. I
think I could even use a little bit more of how she like really fasts
herself back into the camp and everything like that, because they don't show because
with Fear Road, they just show all these beefed up guys and furios and
that's the one lady and okay whatever, there has to be a reason.
At this point there's not really many ladies around, so I know she disguises
herself as a boy, but at some point the driver comes back with a
girl. I thought there might have been like, oh, like she's gonna
be on a team, but I guess it's just he vouches for and they're
good to go. So that was something that was different to me that I
was unsuspecting as far as but the whole origin of her kind of fake in
her death out of there and knitted it d that was a whole whole thing
I was not expecting. So yeah, that was like multiple times, I
feel like they they give us something and like without much of an explanation on
how it actually happens. I feel like that one was the one that I
was caught on the most. Was just the fact that she was destined to
be, you know, like one of the chastity belt wearing ladies that are
just like really nice skin. They're basically models, Like they're just like so
cut from from different cloth, come amongst all the other just citizens of the
citadel there that kept in a hidden chamber and everything. Yeah, and like
yeah, like literally a vault. They have a massive vault door for them,
and you don't really like ever hear about him, like trying to find
her again, like after Rictus loses her, like there's no talk about that,
and there's never like when she comes back, it's never like, oh
you remind me of of whoever? I feel like, you know, like
I kind of was able to look past it. But that was the one
that I got caught on the most. And I think Rictus has like one
quick line of like you seem familiar, but that's just when she's still like
the mute boy and he gets distracted and yeah, exactly. And then like
when she's with Preytorian Jack on the war rig, like she's just got that
like very nice hair, looks all nice and shampooed, and like she just
looks like what it is, shampooed. It looks very clean. It looked
very clean amongst this world, I thought. But yeah, I know that,
like that one was the one I was probably caught on the most for
you know, a little bit more substance to get to that answer. But
yeah, it is what it is at the end of the day. M
hm. What I'm trying to think, if there's anything on a more enjoy
I want to talk about I could use. It sounds like a most snippick
I could have sound used his voice like a little deeper, like a little
more rasp because but I guess that might signify how sick he is in Free
Road, so I'll give him that. Yeah, I like seeing all the
old guys. I like seeing the Bolt Farm. His brother, the guy
with all the that runs Bolt Farm is more jokes. He has a lot
of brothers. I guess that's makes sense why all the mutated people are going
on. But yeah, it was great to see him back because he has
a funny fame for your Road. But yeah, I liked seeing Bullet Town,
and I liked seeing the because we don't really other than him put in
his arm in fer we don't really get to see behind in the citadel right
they're on the road, So I liked seeing those inner workings. It's kind
of reminds me of like the stuff we like in Stars with the Cyths Invader
or it's like you get to see that now. Sometimes they go too much,
but that's why I like this was the right amount same thing as more
in Joe. He was a threat here but it never became his movie or
he was like a he was a villain b But on the sense of like
Oh, it feels like she has to take him down this movie or it's
nothing. No, he helped out a few times in this movie, even
though he's like very you know, violent and destructive. He you know,
the enemy of the enemy is my friend. So I enjoyed everything with the
Citadel and more in Joe, And like I said, that's that's some of
the stuff that for me. Actually, just Enrishi what a prequel should do
to me is gave me much more than I was expecting on this and it
was all the right type of stuff, stuff that didn't Trumple but even stuff
with the wives, It's like it's things we were kind of insinuated or assumed
about, but there was just a bit more specific. So that's why I'm
very excited for the double header on the line. So mm hmm. Yeah.
I think Bullet Farm had a cool well that fight in general, I
guess, was another fun one, kind of a different style to other ones
we've seen. I don't have much sound Gas Town, but I thought it
had a cool look from Afar. It looked kind of like eyes and Guard,
you know, with like the big towers in the middle and then just
kind of like the oil patch kind of all around it with the bridge leading
NFL. That was that was pretty cool. And then I guess another thing,
just like at the end, I really like the kind of ambiguous death
of dementis because I mean the guy the narrator, I guess character at that
point. I forget what that guy's name is. He's like speculated on like,
oh, the different ways that he could have died. It could have
just been a shot. It could have been dragged through the desert, or
like she whispered to me that he was turned into a tree, like he
said in a very you know, uh, very colorful way. But man,
and that was a really grotesque shot, really messed up. And I
kind of liked that. It's like that could be what happened, but like
we don't really know for sure, like that, like the shot we're seen
there could be as real as the other ones. So I like that ambiguity
of it. But that is truly a totally messed up way for someone to
to go because in theory, he could still be alive during Fiery Road and
all that. Just still think he is a little tree guy. Yeah,
he's this tree. Yeah. I mixed on that one. I have to
sit with it because I was kind of surprised. I thought they were just
gonna have for I know they do this in law movies, but I thought
she was just gonna leave them there and to die and you know, just
be locked up, can't do anything. Because he got excited by the idea
of getting this like big death, and he even said, like make it
epic. So I actually didn't like the storyteller being like, oh, she
could have done this and this and this. I was hoping it was just
and she just left him there and moved on with her life because he kep
Now, did he want to become a tree man? Probably not, but
he's still got a little bit of his wish of that whole wanting to be
kind of an iconic status, right, And he seems like the worst torture
possible, it is, but I'm just saying he wanted that though, he
wanted to be something epic, right, So, but I don't think he
wanted it to last for sixty years, you know, of course not,
but still like that, like in the sense of he wanted himself to become
a legend. And then the storyteller end is talking about the legend of the
death of Demetrius, right, So it's like he did kind of get his
wish now, like I said, at the long run, yeah, he's
still this tree person possibly and it probably didn't go well, but that's I
was kind of surprised that she kind of let the villain get what he wanted
and end, but she's still torturing for it. So it's like, a,
it's a very bad that she left him out there because technically, yes,
there's no confirmation. I I do like the anglelow that like he his
body is being used to like nourish people going forward. So yeah, like
turning him into I don't know, just like a cow essentially is yeah,
and good kind of full circle shot with the apple, you know, first
one of the first shots movies. I'm grabbing it that sets him on this
whole venture right as they these guys are around on the forest and whatnot.
So, uh, yeah, she said his name Demetrius every single time that
you mentioned his name. You know, his name is in Demetrius right.
What is that again? Dementous dementus? Thank you. I knew it was
something else, but I was just rolling with it. Now, Okay,
Yeah, it was like your fourth time you said that Red Dimetri changing it
the Great, the Red he was every time. That one's tricky. I
remember fear Road though, right, that's why I'm burning the head since twenty
fifteen, so I'll get dementus right there you go. That was beautiful.
Eventually, yeah, eventually the witness, that's what. That's why I just
reverted to Hempsworth. That's easy, Like I can't get that one. I
know his name, but that's another thing. When I love the whole,
him trying to build up his legend. Not anytime something would happen, I'm
knowing he's like, that's my name. Now I'm I'm the Red. Oh
that's I'm the Great. Oh, I'm the legendary I I And then he
was at the end he was the bad or the dread it like something like
but he was like I have to be mean spirited. I can't be you
know, I can't give you hope and stuff. And that that's where there
was some Jack sparrowisms. The whole just kind of changing on a fly,
so that when they when they come across the First War boy with the uh,
the flair there and then just that whole sequence was hilarious. But when
he just like shoots it at the ground and then everything just fills up with
red and then you just had dementous arms out and just like the big gross
teeth that they gave hims Worth with the big nose. I just love the
look. I feel like every time I saw him, I was just laughing,
especially when the early stages when it goes to him just on his chariot
of like it's just so over the top where he has like three motorcycles holding
on the reins and he's like he's got his big cloak in the back and
by that point he's got the like the red Beard and everything. I was
just I was loving him, I think for just his appearances in the most
part, like I was saying earlier, he definitely like you see more of
the fucked up side to him. You you don't admire the guy, but
I appreciated what he was. And yeah, Hemsworth was just great, great,
uh, just great to have. I feel like Chris Hemsworth. I
just think of Thor as his voice. So this has really helped, you
know, helped or diminished his overall look. In my appearance, he's just
a little bit more layered now, I guess I'm an actor. Did you
ever see Bad Times? Yeah, he's fantastic in that, but but he
still has the like sexy charisma and I feel like he he I guess,
kind of has that with just his overall physique, like he's looking really nice
and shredded in this movie, but just the voice, he's looking, yeah,
pretty ragged, but he's looking good. The voice, Yeah, very
very whiny, rasp beef come from this big beefy guy, you know,
like, oh, there's no help, Like it's just like and that's why
I think they give him this oversized nose and they almost make it sound like
that's why he sounds like that, because it's like all nose and stuff.
But he never really smiles either, like maybe a smirk here there. But
I feel like that Red miss he did, and Red Missy was enjoying teeth
out why, I don't know. I did appreciate how long throughout the movie
he had that red in his beard because like it makes sense, right,
like you can't wash in this universe if you get stained, and saying this
cape obviously that I love how it was white the red and then at the
end it's just like this rotted black like there's still some red there, but
the top half is just like pure black. And yeah, I know that
that was good stuff there. Even little Anya got some red in here,
she did. Yeah, the look cool, little d little Yeah. I
mean, I mean shows to that actress too, Like we didn't really mention
her necessarily, but yeah, she's a lot of a lot of screen time,
not a lot of dialogue, but she does a good job of being
that fierce child that she needs to. So Elilah Brown or Elia Brown,
you say that, but Demetris Demetrius Brown, there you go, that's her
name. I thought Scrotis was really great too. We mostly focused on his
brother, but uh yeah, because he was in Fury Road, right,
like both of those in there. I didn't think so. But when I
pulled up IMDb, looks like it is he. Okay, the same actor
that was what's his name, Strider, Striker Striker there you go from Days
of Future Past. Oh, the young version of No, No, this
is wrong. You sure because that guy is a war boy, the guy
that plays Striker from Days of Future Past. I'm pretty sure he looks like
a war boy. Yeah, I think, okay, Yeah, Nicholas Friend,
Yeah, he played slit in. Uh yeah, he's Nicholas Holt's friend,
and you're one hundred percent right, Yeah, you're one hundred percent right.
Okay, he got He's not Scrotus, right, he is Scrotus in
this movie, but not is the previous one, Okay, And Scross is
a character in the other one. I thought the two brothers were in it,
because there you go. There's another case of them using another actor from
fear Row. But that's having a prequel for a different role, So there
you go. They love doing that here, because yeah, Rictus is definitely
in ferior. I know is a show stealer in fear Row, and he's
great. I had a baby brother. He's perfect every way. Imagine such
a idiot, shouting Nathan Jones. I went, I went and found in
Mad Max a name generator. So my name in the Mad Max universe is
Devo, the Massive driver of the Homing hot Dog. Wow, that's pretty
good, Macaroni. Let's put you guys in here. Yeah, you gotta
put in Jesus. But top not slack jaw driver of the Magnum Opus.
That's you, Travis. I like that slack jaw like the top dot.
Yeah, that's good. M alright, let's get Kirkling here, knuckles the
Pessimists Specialist, Driver of the Demented One. Damn, I like that.
And let's put Taylor in here for good measure. That's for good measure,
the true Blue, True Blue, the freaky driver of the Pursuit special Yeah.
I'm trying to think if there is anything else, but I don't know,
like because I just like great action sequences. But I think most of
the character stuff I think we fit on anything I can think of. Anything
else will table for the rankings or for golden geeks. I'm sure some stuff
will come up, but I think most the immediate things to discuss or praise
have been done by myself as well. Did you figure out scross Gate yet?
Scrotis you know, confirmed if he was in Fear Road or not?
You were felt you were selling this false spilled goods like, oh it was
a different actor. And then I asked who played him in Fear Road?
You gave me no answers. That's like, well, I don't just close
the page. After that? Was okay? That the same guy. You're
just making stuff up against some one? Serve you? Oh you didn't do
the prep work. Scross played by Sir Elton John. WHOA, I don't
see scrotis, okay, so there you go, Scrotus. We don't know
what happened to him in between this in fear Road, so he must have
passed on or maybe that'll happen, maybe we'll get another movie. So just
slid, just just slid. What a name. I'm glad you get slip.
I'll take slotch slack jaw over top, not slack jaw, but know
it was over slid. Uh tell most thoughts on this? Uh? Yeah,
No, this is a good discussion. I think that kind of filled
in some blanks that I maybe had on this. But yeah, overall,
I think I'm gonna drop a seven point seven on this one. Yeah,
Next Originals, I don't explain here. In Next Originals, I gotta we
gotta get down to how the number system came back for mister Muss. We'll
do I'll be curious, yeah, mister Patz, Yeah, I'm curious,
mister pats Or a final rating, but ranking, because I'll say last next
week will rank the movie, just just your rating. Yeah, It's it's
interesting coming off of this one because like fery Road is such a well made
movie, and I feel like I appreciate more and more I see it.
I think I've seen it three times now, and every time I've seen I've
liked it more. But I must say I I think I like it.
It's it's weird to say, but I feel like I'm more high on this
one because of the theater experience with it makes sense, Yeah like it.
It just felt better in that sense. But uh, I think at the
end of the day, if I compare the two, I probably like.
What this movie did was made me really want to watch Fear Road again,
which is kind of funny because you pretty much get that movie in the the
end credits if you stick around for it. You see them. That was
interesting. That wasn't all a choice. It's like, we have the movie
there, you don't need to show us the entire like we like, we
know and stuff. And yeah, that's interesting because didn't you didn't your score
from Fear Road. You end up giving that a ten, right, but
didn't end up going like you're like a nine point You pulled the dude,
You're like a nine point five, and then you eventually got to ten.
Or I think I did, because the first time I saw Fury Road.
I was like, huh, less, less that's exciting that I thought it
was exciting or that I was expecting to see, Like I just I think
I was expecting something that. I mean, it's just Mad Max Universe and
the Apocalypse, and I think at that time I hadn't seen a Mad Max
movie either. All I had heard about these movies was that this specific one
is so well made and it's so great, and obviously all the practical effects
and everything like I was able to appreciate, but just it was hard to
follow the story, like you get introduced to Martin Joe and like the war
Boys, and I was just trying to like piece together what's going on.
So I was a little bit just I think, overwhelmed in that first viewing.
But no that yeah, that movie's at ten and ten just so well
made, and this one, I think I'm gonna have to give it another
ten out of ten. I thought I might have to dock at some points,
just for like I was saying earlier, like just maybe glossing over certain
things without really spending time to like explain how or not even necessarily to explain
it. But I just felt like we spend a lot of time in the
first act, like pacing out well that it doesn't feel rushed like we are
on this whole pursuit trail that the mother has. But then there there's moments
where we have like the forty day war that's over in forty seconds, or
whether it's dementous, just like fast traveling to the citadel after they mentioned that
they they were like gonna have to meet with them again, and then they're
like already in the war room, like talking to them. It just felt
like, I don't know, like like fast and then slow, fast and
then slow, And I think just the like the the stark contrast of the
two made it stand out. But as we were going along with the story,
long winded way of saying, I was able to just kind of look
past it and just really fully embrace the uh, out of this world nature
that these movies are, and yeah, this is just such a great time.
I was a little bit sad that we were losing Charlie's going into this,
but I'm so happy that it was Anya in hindsight, just because I
think because of the more younger stage of Furio, so where she's at,
it would have felt weird, especially knowing that this movie ends like basically the
start of Fury Road. Like, if we had in this role, it
would have been weird because like, when did Feary Road come out? Was
it twenty fifteen? Oh my gosh, that's so much longer than I thought.
Yeah, I thought it was closer to twenty twenty, so that would
have felt really jarring. I think to have her in that role. But
on he was fantastic. Chris Hemsweth was fantastic. Yeah, it was a
long way of saying I love this movie. There you go. Yeah,
ten and ten for me as well. I think I have some minor quabbles.
I don't think there's anything to bringing down because is the highs are so
high. I love the world building, the action and sequences are fantastic.
I level the character motivations, all the acting is great. All star performance
by Hempsworth. I just uh yeah, I just think he went up there
and killed it, because I think there's a version of that character that could
just be very annoying and very I won't say lame, but just one note
what I mean by one notice he is a bad guy, but I mean
like the performance wise, I think he brings a lot to that. There's
a lot of actors that could have played that character and it gone just kind
of oh yeah, it's all right. And I don't think Mad Max is
well known for its great villains. I think it more and Joe's great in
Fear Road, but that's just because he looks imposing and he and it's the
idea of a more in Joe like this, you know whatever. I won't
say more because we got rankings, but I will teach from a rankings that
this movie made me very question of, like I don't know where I got
Max and where I got Furios. I added, this added a lot more
to me for Furio, So I think this uh even more tragic backstory than
what we had gone in Fear Road. But I think they they earned for
the characters. So yeah, I know a ten and ten for me as
well. Loved it. I'm looking very forward to watch as many times.
Like I said that, this will be kind of like Lord of the Rings,
where I'll say when I do the extended, I usually can't watch them
all in a day, but usually try to say this that a weekend that'll
be like this where you know kids are going or something that me and Ale
will set aside a time, and I think that's almost a good thing that
Fear Furiosa is. It has its hog o tamos, but it is a
bit slower. So because I wonder if you were to watch Fear Road and
this back to back in ferios was also just pedal to the medal two and
a half hours of just to Chase, you'd be like, man, this
is a lot, but I like that this is like a really nice you
know, just build up to it. I'll definitely skip the credits though,
so I don't have to see all that again and then just jump into the
movie. So there he goes a Jon. We have done it. We
reviewed Furiosa. I don't know what our next big review is, Like,
I know, we got like Deadpool coming up, Like there's places in a
few weeks, yes, and June there, I think, So let's see.
I think you're right, that's in twenty seven, so it's like a
month away. Oh WOWK, yeah, I guess we're gonna Yeah, we're
going to the TV show Purgatory, which I love. But we got the
Boys Act Light and then soon House to Drain as well too, so that's
a lot of TV show reviews there, so movies take a little break.
But then June you got Quiet Place, Twisters apparently, fuck yeah, dead
Pool three? You know, Maxine long Legs, lots of crazy. Are
you coming to Twisters, Travis? I could ask you that too, TV
TV you, Taylor and I were getting crazy and talking about doing a one
movie retro for for the first one. But we'll see who signs up on
that sheet. Yeah, I'd be convinced to do that. The retro.
I was gonna say, the retro is easy, that's at home. But
yeah, it just depends because yeah, if if I see all those movies,
it goes Quiet Place, Maxine Long Legs, and then Twisters, Deadpool
three. I think Twisters might be my break because I have much more as
Twisters on with the nineteenth Is it with another movie? Though? Is another
movie? Yeah? So? But and I know at that point I'll have
to see tospicle Me. Oh yeah, since despicle Me four will be out
July fourth, and I don't know when in said out that's coming out soon
too, So yeah, Twisters just by proxy might get the boot, but
who knows. Maybe it's great. I like Dizzy Edgar, like Glyn if
I'm on that review. It's because Emily made me go see it because she's
a massive fan of the original, so it's Emily and life dependent. So
lots of good reviews coming up here in the Geek. First, thank you
very much, hope everyone has a good weekend. We'll be back next week
and won't be boring. Bye. Mine,