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Thank you for listening to Depiction's Media
Radio. Welcome to Policy Rights to show

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about government policy and human rights.
Welcome back to Policy and Rights here in

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Depictions Media Radio. I'm your host, Michael Claggs. Prisons, Well,

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should they just be for punishment or
do we want to find a way to

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integrate those reintegrate those people who have
made mistakes in our society and help them

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be better people, be better citizens
and contribute to our society. Now,

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there are those that maybe we can't
do that with because of master master serial

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killers. Maybe not. But for
the most part, most crimes and most

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things, we can actually rehabilitate people. And this is this is becoming where

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it's becoming a global issue, and
the global issue is not one of can

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we really rehabilitate people or not?
If he becomes of a issue of radicalization.

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People are replacing the prison because of
a mistake that they made and while

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in prison that they align themselves or
find themselves with people who have radical ideas,

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people who hijack religions, hijack beliefs
and pray on people who are just

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disenfranchised or just trying to trying to
find a way to fit back into society.

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Some people are maybe angry and feel
that they were treating and justly,

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and they align themselves with groups that
have ideas of hatred. And these people

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who are promoting the hatred build on
the fear and distrust that people have in

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society because they've been incarcerated. This
is the true global problem of prison systems

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around the world, that the prison
systems become breeding grounds for terrorists activity because

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of radical groups that are locked inside
of the prisons. Well, the United

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Nations and what we have recorded from
the United Nations, this is more centralized

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in Africa. The problem it does
exist in the United States and Canada.

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When we consider white supremacist problems.
The prison systems become breeding grounds for radicalized

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white supremacists who want to simply overthrow
whatever our government looks like because they think

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that this is their country and that
everyone else should submit to what it is

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that they believe. Radicalization in prisons
is becoming a global problem in something that

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we all might want to look at
how our prison systems are affecting our society

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in general. So why don't we
listen to This is one hour of a

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much longer conversation that needs to happen
on. How do we take prison systems

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from being punishment to one of rehabilitation
and limit the radical ideas they could spread

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among eMates. Unity prevention is key, as the seeds of radicalization are often

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laid prior to incarceration. This means
investing in early intervention strategies that identify individuals

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at risk of radicalization and offering them
alternative path Education. Vocational training, and

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targeted support can help steer vulnerable individuals
away from extremist influences and towards positive engagement.

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By addressing the root causes of radicalization, we can effectively reduce the number

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of extremists who end up behind bars. For those who are already incarcerated,

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we must prioritize this engagement, rehabilitation, and social reintegration. With more than

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eleven million people estimated to be imprisoned
globally, prisons can become incubators for terrorist

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recruitment and radicalization of inmates, including
those with no history of violent extremism.

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We need to equip prison systems with
the tools and expertise to prevent them from

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turning into breeding ground for further radicalization. As prisoners feelings of despair, frustration,

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and anger can leave them vulnerable to
extremist ideologies, and we need to

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ensure that violent extremism prisoners are treated
humanely and afforded their full rights to start

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them along the path to rehabilitation and
reintegration into society. We must also address

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the unique needs of women and children
associated with terrorist groups. Women may have

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been coerced into joining these groups,
while children may have been born or within

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a radicalized environment. And we have
heard this morning for those of you who

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have attended the morning session from two
victims coming from a whole camp. Providing

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them with specialized support, including counseling, education, and healthcare services, is

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essential to prevent the radicalization and ensure
a brighter future for them and their communities.

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Together with UN oct nc TED,
the UN Office on Drugs and Crime

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implemented a global initiative between twenty eighteen
and twenty twenty two to promote effective,

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humane and sustainable approaches to the management
of violent extremisms in prisons, guided by

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the Nelson Mandela Rules on the Treatment
of Prisoners, of which you a ODC

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is the proud custodian in Casa Hastan. We trained over four thousand prison officers

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on prison safety and security and developed
a classification framework to separate prisoners with varying

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security, supervisory and treatment requirements based
on their risk of radicalization. We also

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conducted individualized risk assessment of over six
hundred prisoners in eight prisons, including one

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for women offenders to taylor rehabilitation responses
appropriately. In Tunisia, we established the

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first ever Center for Research on Violent
Extremism and Rehabilitation in the country to develop

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evidence based rehabilitation and reintegration policies.
We also trained more than two hundred prison

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officers to improve their knowledge on the
management of violent extremest prisoners while taking into

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account age and gender considerations. In
Uganda, to reduce prison overcrowding, we

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launched a decongestion project to support seven
hundred and fifty prisoners with legal aid and

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address the backlog of cases of prisoners
awaiting trial. We also trained over two

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thousand new recruits on preventing and countering
violent extremism in prison settings and trained a

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further ninety five staff on the application
of prisoner classification tools, which were piloted

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in six prisons across the country.
Risk assessments and classification tools are crucial to

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assist prison staff in recognizing whether a
prisoner is being or has become radicalized.

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So the work that n ODC is
doing makes a real impact and creates the

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possibility to detect and prevent radicalization to
violence at an early stage. Meanwhile,

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the role of civil society has proven
valuable in compensating for the gaps created by

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the limited financial and human resources available
in prison settings. In Iraq, for

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example, we are promoting the work
of NGOs to mitigate the threat of terrorists

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and foreign terrorists, fight the detainees
by promoting sustainable, people cented approaches to

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the management of prisons. This involves
providing technical assistance to the government of Iraq

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to help develop skills of inmates through
vocational and educational training, improve access to

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justice by providing legal aid, and
promote a healthy and safe environment for prisoners.

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This experience has shown that NGOs can
play an important complementary role in protecting

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society by ensuring the effective rehabilitation and
reintegration of offenders, ladies and gentlemen.

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Managing violent extremism prisoners is a complex
endeavor, but it is one that we

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cannot afford to ignore. It requires
us to find a delicate balance between addressing

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security concerns and protecting human rights and
due process with the ultimate aim of preventing

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violence and fostering reintegration. By investing
in comprehensive and evidence based approaches, we

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can empower individuals to reject violence,
embrace peaceful alternatives, and contribute positively to

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their communities. This is needed more
than ever to make progress on SGG sixteen,

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to build peace, justice and strong
institutions and all of the SDGs.

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You can continue to count on your
an ODC to support members states and implementing

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inclusive terrorism prevention policies and practices so
that we may break cycles of violence and

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build the foundations of a safer,
more resilient world for all. Thank you,

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thank you, Thank you very much, Executive Director, missus Wally,

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You already entered into the core issues
of this side event, alighting many many

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important topics and frankly speaking, so
impressive what you, as usual you d

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see do in this field. Without
any other um waiting for, I will

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give the floor to um um.
Ambassador pive Cairamo, my friend, Council

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of Europe, Chair of the Committee
on counter Terrorism and Ambassador for counter Terrorism

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Cooperation in the Midstry of Foreign Affairs
of Film and PIVU of the floor.

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Thank you very much, Carlos,
Executive Director, Valley, Executive Director Kerman,

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Ambassador, colleagues, the participants,
Good afternoon. I'm honored to be

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able to join this event, first
and foremost in my capacity as the chair

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of the Council of Europe Committee on
counter Terrorism and also as mentioned Pa Carlo

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as Ambassador for counter Terrorism Corporation in
the Ministry for Foreign Affairs of Finland.

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I am so very glad to be
here with our partners from Austria, the

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UNCTAD, the UNODC, the OC
and I'm also very grateful to the experts

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of this event for their willingness to
join us to chair their experience on this

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particular topic. As a brief introduction, allow me to say a few words

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of the work of the Council of
Europe in the area of counter terrorism cooperation.

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The Committee of the Committee on counter
Terrorism CDCT is the key coordinating body

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for counter terrorism at the Council of
Europe. The CDCT has produced a number

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of important standards in this area,
notably the recent recommendation of the Committee of

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Ministers to Member States on the risk
assessment of individuals indicated or convicted of four

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terrorist offenses and we were advised as
to shape by a very prominent French expert

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in this area. The Council of
Europe, through its specialized bodies on Prisons

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and Management of Prisoners, has also
developed influential guidelines and a handbook on addressing

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and preventing radicalization to terrorism in prison. These efforts come from an understanding that

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while there are many violent extremist prisoners
in our penal systems, there need to

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be special regimes to prevent them from
further radicalizing or even radicalizing others in prison,

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while also aiming to ensure that any
radicalized individuals do not pose a continuing

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risk after their release. This is
no easy tasks. Research and experience in

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this area continues to grow rapidly as
we learn more about what works and what

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doesn't when dealing with the challenges prevented
presented by violent extremist prisoners. These are

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clearly challenges that no institution can handle
alone. Multi disciplinary approaches are needed,

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requiring careful and regular cooperation with a
range of professions such as mental health specialists,

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risk and security experts, education professionals, religious figures, community leaders and

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many others. Equally, we must
ensure that our approaches to managing violent extremist

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prisoners are effective, sustainable, and
implemented in full respect of human rights and

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the rule of law. With so
many stakeholders playing an important role in managing

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and rehabilitating violent extremist prisoners, we
need events like this to help all stakeholder

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all stakeholders to strike a balance between
individual freedoms and ensuring safety in prisons and

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among the general public. Just last
month, in May, the Cdcity adopted

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a compilation of good practices with regards
to deradicalization, this engagement and social reintegration.

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This resource resource provides an accessible and
valuable snapshot of the main trends and

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actions several European states have taken to
design and implement programs and activities for violent

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extremists and terrorists. The report is
available online and for your convenience. The

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link is included in today's agenda.
Our lining expert on this effort, doctor

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Ian Durnescu, is joining us via
videolink to explain more about this project and

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the main conclusions. The Council of
Europe's work in this area does not end

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here. However, the Council of
Europe recently adopted its counter Terrorism and Strategy

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for twenty three twenty seven, which
forces several lines of work and action to

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support European efforts to prevent and prosecute
terrorism and terrorists and violent extremism leading to

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terrorism, as well as protect civilians
and states from the impact of terrorism.

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The strategy identify de radicalization and these
engagements for women and children respectively, and

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as referred to by Executive Director Value
Chas I mean during her introduction remarks,

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also as a particular focus area for
Cdcity. Conclusion, excellences, I'm honored

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to be able to participate in this
event with you, all of you.

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As the Chair of the Cdcity,
I look forward to engage in further on

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these issues and we hope that all
of you here today can find some use

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and inspiration from our ongoing work in
this crucial area. Thank you very much

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for your attention. Thank you very
much, Ambassador Kairamo. Dear by v

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for mentioning, by the way,
some recent work carried out by the Council

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of Europe in this area. But
we will listen more by our expect later.

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So without any further hesitation, I
will give the floor to Ambassador Elena

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Kupcina Coordinator to address international threats at
the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe.

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Please thank you so much, excellences, distinguished colleagues DEA friends. First

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of all, allow me to stand
the Council of Europe, UNSTAT, AUSTRI

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Finland and UNODC for joining forces on
the important topic of managing violent extremist prisoners.

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With all these partners, the Organization
for Security and Corporation in Europe has

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longstanding relationships and this side event is
a clear evidence of this. Challenges with

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terrorist offenders concern societies when responding to
all forms of violent extremism and terrorism.

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For the OC area, the situation
concerning so called foreign terrorist fighters and their

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families still detained in the former conflict
zone remains a particular concern. As of

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today, approximately ten thousand male ISIS
detainees and more than fifty six thousand women

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and associated associated children are being held
in camps in Nasiast Syria. While the

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terrorist insurgency in the immediate region may
be currently contained, the fate of these

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individuals and the associated humanity and security
crisis stratns and eventual resurgence. The population

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of ourhol and out Road, the
two largest camps, consists of sixty percent

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children, mostly under the age of
twelve. While the FtF issue is mainly

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be regarded as a security concern,
the age composition points to an ongoing human

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rights crisis affecting the most vulnerable.
Security considerations by source countries need to include

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those risks associated with a decision not
to repatriate. This can imply a losing

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track of individuals that leave the camps, allowing further radicalization and hardening of terrorist

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networks. Risk can remote incitement or
recruitment from the camps, feeding into the

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terrorist narrative that those held are victims
or Latin FtF crimes go unpunished. Again

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this backdrop two weeks ag the Transnational
Stress Department Action Against Terrorism unit of our

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organization recently joined forces with the International
Center for the Study of Radicalization at King's

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College, London and the Middle East
Institute in organizing a policy discussion titled Resolving

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the Detended Dilemma at the OC in
Vienna, covering the above mentioned questions as

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well as challenges related to the prosecution, detention, rehabilitation and reintegration of form

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of foreign terrorist fighters and their family
members, among others. Experts from UNODC,

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citad and Finland joined these discussions,
building on earlier FtF related efforts such

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as twenty twenty regional conference co organized
by oc Uno City and Switzerland, follow

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up discussions with experts from Central Asia
and Southeastern Europe or the OYC or deer

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guidelines for addressing FtF challenges in the
human rights framework as well as on related

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detention monitoring. The outcomes from this
recent exchange with experts across the oc area

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will feed into next steps planned in
assisting our membership and partners for collaboration,

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not only participating states whom we collide
this in the OYC, but also partners

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for collaboration in the Mediterranean Area.
Jointly with the International Institute of Justice,

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as the Rule of Law and Malta, we are planning a regional event in

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Central Asia focusing on violent extremist offenders
in prisons. Moreover, we are developing

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a project for the entire OYC area, including modules on assassin risks from a

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security and a rehabilitation angle, training
on specific prosecution challenges and efforts in rehabilitation

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and reintegration within and outside of prison. In developing and implementing these assistance,

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we will be reliant also on the
extensive work done by the OC field operations,

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for example in Albania or Tajikistan,
on improving prison conditions in general and

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on addressing terrorist offendants behind bars.
The OYC Office of Democratic Institutions and Human

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Rights above mentioned guide book and training
for independent Attention Monitors piloted last year in

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Kyrgyzstan, will also be among the
existing resources utilized. Sharing this strong mandate

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on the FtF topic across our organizations, we will continue to address these challenges

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in a coordinated and cooperative manner,
thereby making best use of limited resources and

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exploring synergies whenever possible. Of course, updates to the oyc's Memorando of Understanding

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and joint action plans with various UN
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with the Council of Europe owned counter
terrorism matters, set the stage for such

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continued partnerships. Let me conclude by
thanking the Council of Europe, you want,

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SITA, Austria, Finland and our
partners across the Tanube. You ODC

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once again for the joint side event
on such an important topic. My team

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at the OYC will be reaching out
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of the aforementioned project proposal to make
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developed already at the UN, the
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civil society organizations. Thank you very
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Thank you ambassador for your remarks.
You raised one very very important issue,

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of course, that we all are
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problem of the people kept in the
camps in c Bubble and Iraq, and

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also of course your numerous projects in
different areas. Um Now, I will

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give the floor immediately to Miss Natalia
German, the Executive Director of the United

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Nations Counter Terrorism Executive Directory A seated, please build the floor. Thank you

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very much. The ms to Chairman
your excellence is my distinguished copanaists. Excellences,

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ladies and gentlemen. I'm delighted to
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like to thank the Council of Europe
always see United Nations Office on Drugs and

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Crime, as well as my own
office seated for all your good work to

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put today's event together. The management
of violent extremist prisoners presents unique challenges to

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all of us in the counter terrorism
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an area where the practice of countering
violent extremism has an exceptional urgency. It

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focuses on individuals who have already shown
an inclination towards terrorist violence, and who

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in many cases, may be due
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There is an urgency to ensure that
these individuals are convinced to renounce their

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commitment to violence, so that society
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personal security. Our topic today is
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concerns a population that is deprived of
liberty and the imprisonment of these individuals may

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be appropriate and just, but it
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Their treatment must be firm and deliberate
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of their human rights. The fact
is prison environments are highly conducive to radicalization

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to terrorist violence. Prisoners may be
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restrictive prison environment is highly susceptible to
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This is why prisons are sometimes referred
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SEATED has been doing its part to
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of work, including through our recent
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City. We recently published an analytical
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we have learned throughout our work.
There remains much uncertainty about the scope of

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the issue. Member states take different
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and reliable data are lacking. However, it seems clear that the number

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of such prisoners in countries around the
world is growing. It is also evident

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that tailored risk assessments are crucial in
this field. Violent extremist prisoners are a

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diverse group, which necessitates the implementation
of different approaches. Although this is resource

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intensive, The experts who are with
US today can help to shed light on

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the types of initiatives that are showing
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women prisoners require specific approaches. Women's
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reportedly tripled in the past decade,
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often mean that their needs are overlooked, and as I have already said,

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a human rights based approach is critical
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states pay careful attention to maintain in
prison environments that are humane and respectful of

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human dignity in accordance with the United
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prisoners, the Nelson Mandela Rules.
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easues regarding the rights to freedom of
thought freedom of belief. It is entirely

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appropriate for states to work to suppress
and eradicate ideologies that support an insight terrorist

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violence, but more difficult questions may
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not enjoy the favor of states,
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of violence. Drawing the boundaries of
appropriate intervention into personal belief systems by states

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may raise sensitive issues, and beyond
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violence and prisons cannot ignore the underlying
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of terrorism. That is not to
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It cannot never, but effective interventions
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of the causes of radicalization. Some
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discrimination, marginalization, poor governance,
and other issues, should be taken into

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account by practitioners in this field,
even as we collectively reject the result to

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terrorist violence. To address them.
SITA remains committed to engaging with member states

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through our country visits on behalf of
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to identify key challenges and promote the
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And we will continue our endeavors to
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request them to support them in their
crucial COUNTA terrorism efforts. I thank you

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and I thank you Miss Garman also
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think that the our four panelists we
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this this side event, have very
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very fruitful now discussion in this in
this room and online. Many many important

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items have been raised already. The
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the protection of human rights UM always
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violent extremist prisoners UM we did not
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the situation in the prisons with regard
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prisoners, many many important issues I've
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you very much for that. Now
I will open then the expert panel.

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We have many important and good expects
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would kindly ask you all to be
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because we would like, of course
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questions. Um So keep also those
those those speakers also for for for the

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final questions at the end. In
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six minutes, and I have a
powerful tool here now no no, no,

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no, no, I'm quite flexible, I must say, um so,

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well, without of course, uh
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immediately give the floor to our first
speaker, which is who is ambassador I

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can Iraq met Toulin, a permanent
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Nation. But Ambassador, you have
the floor. I think a message here

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and it's quite a challenge to speak
after such a nice group of distinguished and

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absolutely astonishing ladies leaders. And but
I will say my best and the colleges

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difference. Today, I wanted to
share with you experience of Kazakhstan on returning

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and rehabilitating the families cities of Kazakhstan
back to back home from the zones of

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conflict in Syria and Iraq. And
actually there is no exact number of Kazakstan

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citizens who moved to city and Iraq
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eight hundred to thousand, and they
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went there in twenty thirteen two fifteen. There were many reasons for why people

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started moving there and joining the ICs, slow religious literacy, the influence of

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terrorist organizations their propaganda, the availability
and light accessibility of the different sources in

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social media, the unfavorable social economic
conditions, particularly in rural areas, and

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psychological factors and many others including for
example, unemployment and every equipment history is

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different. Each case is a combination
of several reasons and factors. Not only

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men left, but they were also
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them got married there while I mean
even the girls. The women were living

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separately without the men accompanying them,
but they met there and created family and

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even giving birth to their children,
and many of those who went to Syria

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and Iraq did not speak Arabic,
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East, and had a poor understanding
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How the return operation evolved. Actually, in twenty eighteen in Syria Province

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there as Zoro city of Bagus on
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Dish militant together with their wives and
children gathered. There are thousands of them.

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There were thousands of them from all
over the world. The leaders of

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the Halifate who had previously called for
jihad, mostly Arabs, had already fled

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and left them to die. Kurdish
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tightened the ring around the city more
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where hundreds of Kazakhstan citizens found themselves, those who just few years left for

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Syria, befuddled by the ideas of
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Even then, many of them,
faced with reality, realized that they had

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been deceived and trapped. There was
no Shadia here and there never was so

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there never being attracted by the ideas
to follow the shadow law, they never

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saw the shadow law in practice.
Their amusing coverted commas for profit, not

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for idology, and yesterday's gained brothers
in law or in sorry, brothers in

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faith easily betrayed. There was the
one left a way to survive, to

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give up, or to die.
And they went along humanitarian corridors, surrendered

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to the Kurts militias, their women
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placed in hastily built prisons and refugeous
camps. The conditions in camps were absolutely

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unbearable, hunger, unsanitary diseases,
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In the spring twenty eighteen, the
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women. They started, they managed
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then they tried to organize the communication
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and all of them implored to be
taken back to their homeland, repentant

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and ready to be punished. Against
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citizens from Syria was born. The
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means wormwood in Kazakh the bush in
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of the motherland. Therefore, the
operation to repetrate Kazakh citizen was called this

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name symbolic name. I have to
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easy. There was no doubt about
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Kazahstan and face the de third punishment. But those but women and children,

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in particular teenagers are the terrorists or
who need the harsh punishment or victims who

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need the rehabilitation and return to society
and reintegration. There were many skepticism and

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opponents of evacuating them argued that women
and children should be left abroad they would

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never be radicalized radicalized and therefore repetition
will lead to the chanser of extremistic,

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poisonous ideology to Kazakhstan. And the
final decision was taken by that time President

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Another Bib who underscored the humanitarian character
of this apparition. The bulk of the

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repetitions are children, were children women
who are focused forced to leave for Syria

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after their husbands, and their return
to Kazakstan will eliminate the risk of them

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repeated participation in terist activities in the
future. And a powerful base would be

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created for countering propaganda dical ideas among
believers. It was necessary to keep balance

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and differation, balance and differation differentiated
approach. Whoever had committed a crime,

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even it was a woman, would
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All repatriates would undergo rehabilitation and resource
realization programs based on such criteria. In

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the middle of twenty eighteen, massive
preparatory work organisitional operation work studied. We

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worked with our partners from the United
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it was possible to reach the Kurdish
militia in Sydia. The special Operative

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Team was operating with local command in
locating and identifying citizens of Kazakhstan and compiling

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lists of returneys. It was a
joint action of the Minis of Foreign Affairs

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with Defense, Internal Affairs, Minis
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Office and regional authorities, and a
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first repetiting flight returned to Kazastan in
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general, there were five flights operated
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one, and we repetreated six hundred
and seven citizens, among them thirty seven

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men, one hundred and fifty seven
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including fourteen orphans. Besides, in
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were evacuated from Iraq. The under
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with their mothers who had been accused
of involvement in terrorist activities. The children

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are aged from one to thirteen and
had witnessed the horrors horrors of war and

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conflict. After spending almost two years
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five people, of them of returneys, particularly thirty three men and twelve women,

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were sentenced for their involvements in terrorism. Shortly about the rehabilitation back in

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Kazakhstan. In the western part of
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of the Caspian Sea, the rehabilitation
Center for women and children was created and

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during the first thirty days after returning
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peaceful life. They were examined and
treated by doctors, psychologist, theologians,

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religious scholars work with them and temporary
schools and kindergartens with teachers and tutors functioned

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for their children. The national identification
documents were restored and reissued. The genomic

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test was organized for those who were
burned there. Who were not born in

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Kazastan were brought there, and the
end of the thirty days quarantine, all

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women and children were escorted to the
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None of them subsequently returned of puturious
activity. None of them were ever

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committed any theorist attack, and of
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the special agencies of law enforcement of
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and neighborhoods, and special tension is
paid to the prompt monitoring verification of repetoise

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and both in the rehabilitation center.
In the post guaranting period, their service

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and questioners were conducted and based on
this survey they were given special you know,

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conclusion and decision taken about whether they
are still representing danger for society or

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not. And later, based on
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those who were left first left there, eighteen women were brought to criminal responsibility

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and isolated, the comprehensive program for
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children was developed. The program implementation
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children who have already come traditional Islam, and some of them even have chosen

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the secual lifestyle. Those who have
abandoned radical the ideology themselves actively participate in

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the country propaganda actions and regional Republican
mass media. As for the Kazakh militant's

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taken out of Citia, all thirty
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detained and convicted, and the detentions
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till fifteen years. We actually don't
know what would happen after this time is

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over, whether they will be radicalized
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It is also quite the challenge to
decide where have they where do they

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have to be kept in these separate
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facilities. So they were still work
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said, it was a challenge to
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with regard to the people sentences sentence
for terrorism and extremism related offenses a set

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of individually tailored rehabilitation and the radicalization
activities have been implemented and initiated with particular

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focus on theological, psychological, ideological, family support and the set all these

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prisoner prisoners never been, never committed
any kind of crime. H So you

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know, to save time, I
would stop here because I have much more

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to savement. Thank you very much
for attention. Thank you very much,

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ambassador to share with us the experience
An Jacson on these programs of rehabilitation reintegration

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of UM these people. Now.
The second speaker is doctor Juan Netschoo from

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the University of Bucharest. Is also
a vice chair of the RUN Rehabilitation Working

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Group UM and lead author of our
I mean Council of your recent compilation of

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Good Practices with regards to the deer
radicalization, disengagement and social reintegration UM.

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Jan. I hope you I can
give you, I mean, I certainly

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can give you the floor. Yeah, thank you, chairman, Thank you,

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thank you, chairman. It's it's
excellences, ladies and gentlemen. It's

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a great pleasure for me to be
here and present in front of such a

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distinguished audience. Can you all hear
me. It's all good, yes,

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yes, yes, okay. Like
like any academic, I'm in love with

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my slides. So I have my
slightly me today, so I would like

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to share them with you if it's
okay, okay, So this is it.

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Of course, it's okay, excellent. So my presentation will be very

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brief. I will try to stay
within six minutes. I will try to

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share with you the main the highlights
of the of the mini study that we

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performed within the Council of Europe on
the Good Practices um. The presentation will

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have three parts, the brief history
of the project, the methodology and the

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conclusions. Of course, the conclusions
will be a little bit more elaborated because

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we really think that they are relevant
for you, for Council of Europe member

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states, but also for other jurisdictions
as well a brief history. In two

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eighteen, the Committee of the Ministers
of the Council of Europe instructed the Committee

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on counter Terrorism to draw counter Terrorism
Strategy two thousand and eighteen and two thousand

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and twenty two. Afterwards, in
May twenty twenty one, the Committee on

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counter Terrorism decided to initiate this to
set up this working group to collect information

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about the radicalization disengagement programs, So
this is where the work started in May

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twenty twenty one. The methodology briefly
speaking of this similar study aimed at providing

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a snapshot of the current programs aimed
at the radicalis disengagement and social reintegration for

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individuals convicted for related offenses or at
risk of becoming involved in this phenomenon.

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So the focus of this Minis study
was actually tertiary prevention programs and interventions,

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not primary and secondary prevention. The
subsidiary aim of the report was assisting member

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states to learn from each other and
supporting the subsequent follow up activities and messaged

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by the Council of Europe County Strategy
for two thousand and twenty two two thousand

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twenty seven. So we hope that
we will build on this report in the

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in the follow following activities. I
MINIS study was based on four primary sources.

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We had a questionnaire that we sent
across the member states, and then

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we had follow up interviews trying to
go into depth with some topics. Then

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we did a rapid literature review trying
to connect to what we learned from the

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field. With the State of the
art in terms of research, and we

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also did a brief consultation of the
round collection by good Practices, just to

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have a common understanding of this concept. We understood practices that were considered by

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the Member States as effective, sustainable
and transferable. So we really wanted to

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produce something that is highly relevant for
most of the Member States and even beyond

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the Member State Member States Council of
Europe. The conclusions, and slowly we

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move to the end of this presentation. The conclusions are that there is a

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significant progress in designing interventions and programs
in the radicalization, disengagement and social integration.

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The progress is incremental, it's it's
it's step by step. You can

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see progress from one year to another. However, this progress is quite uneven.

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You see it quite a lot of
progress in some countries, especially countries

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that where the phenomenon, that the
terrorist phenomenon is quite prevalent. But on

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the other hand, you don't really
see a lot of progress in countries where

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this phenomenon does not exist. So
unfortunately I do we do not see a

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lot of preparation from the from the
States, especially where the phenomenon is not

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really present yet probably hopefully it will
never happen, but one never know.

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We have quite a wide variety of
programs and initiatives. We managed to build

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up a sort of typology of the
programs. We have programs focused on single

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issue or single intervention like the IRAD
in Austria that is focusing on ideology only

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on the radicalization. And then we
have comprehensive programs like Pairs or Entree in

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Sweden that cover quite a lot of
activities and interventions from community behavioral interventions,

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mentoring, vocational training, creative arts
and so on. And then in countries

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like Belgium, we have individual trajectories
where all these activities are actually tailored may

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to the to each case. In
particular, what we noticed when looking at

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these programs and interventions we saw that
they are deeply cultural and context dependent.

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So when we design these kind of
interventions, we really need to pay attention

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to the to the tradition, to
the culture, to the given, to

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the institutional architecture of the of the
country. So copy paste does not work.

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Maybe emulation or other strategies for Pino
policy transfer um important also very important

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to uh it's it's it's very important
for these interventions and programs to have a

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solid and explicit legal context, especially
when it comes to the principle of multi

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agency interventions, because only with a
very solid legal context, this multi agency,

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interdisciplinary, multi professional interventions can really
take place in a kind of transparent,

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well set environment. Like a new
trend. Let's say, we see

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more and more actors involved in this
field. We see quite a lot of

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interventions using formers. We see quite
a lot of local municipalities involved in these

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interventions in countries like the Netherlands,
Belgium and so on. So I think

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there are more and more actors involved
in the field beyond the more traditional let's

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say actors very important. The principle
of tailor made or individualization, especially when

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it comes to the personal trajectories,
very important. Also the principle of voluntary

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participation, also when the participation is
prescribed by judicial sentence or something like that.

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Even in that situation, it's very
important to work on the motivation of

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individuals to take part in the In
the activities, we were able to identify

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some very interesting and very powerful experiences, especially when it comes to involving the

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victims and involving the communities. And
I would like to share with you.

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Two good examples like that. For
instance, we have a book written after

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the Battaklan attacks. We still have
words written by the parents of two people

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involved, let's say, in this
tragic event. And then we have the

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group work and the documentary Beyond the
Tiers in Belgium. Both this um initiatives

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can be found on internet and I
would suggest people to have a look at

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those and get inspiration from from them
in terms of, you know, working

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with the victims, working with the
communities, trying to heal the trauma.

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We still wait for a lot of
progress in different research in different fields.

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For example, we need more research
on defining success on post exit. In

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particular, I think we need to
go beyond re offending and we need to

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look at more indicators like well being, social integration and so on. So

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we need to be a little bit
more inclusive when it comes to defining success

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of these interventions. We still have
quite a lot of difficulties in terms of

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including the gender, the human rights
and the sustainability dimensions. We still see

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quite a lot of good interventions initiatives
that die after two or three years,

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once the projects let's say ended again. Another field where we can do more

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is the community involvement. We see
quite a lot of concern with individuals.

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We work quite a lot of individuals, but we tend to neglect their context,

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sometimes their families and their communities.
So this is what we learn from

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this exercise. Of course, the
report has a lot of details and a

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lot of interesting examples, so if
you if you find the time to look

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at it, I hope you will
be happy to do so. Thank you

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very much, Thank you, thank
you very much, doctor Durness Schoodia Jane,

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and also for summarizing six minutes the
enormous bunch of work that you have

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put in this document, which I
also invite everyone interested in this matter to

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read carefully. Now, the third
speaker is doctor Florian am A Bendinger Sorry,

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coordinator in the Federal Federal Ministry of
Justice of Austria. Flora is yours,

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please, your excellences, your colleagues, ladies and gentlemen, good afternoon.

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My name is Floren Hamadanga and I'm
the coordinator of the Coordination Unit for

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Extremism Prevention and the EU Radicalization at
the Austrian Federal Ministry of Justice. During

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my presentation which has the title Extremism
in the Austrian panel system. I would

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like to give us some insights into
our practice of dealing with terrorist offenders.

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However, before I start, I
would like to thank the organizers of the

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United Nations and the Council of Europe
to give us the occasion to present our

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work at this important event in Ousta. We adhere to the following extatriquies.

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As far as information management is concerned, as seamless and in the agency flow

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of information is essential when dealing with
prisoners, waim for the greatest possible normalization.

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Prisoners convicted of terrorism Offensers are not
concentrated locally. Normalization also means as

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much security as necessary as much freedom
as Possiblemates convicted of terrorism are not subjected

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to restrictions or different treatment than other
inmates as long as security concerns allow this.

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The monitoring is carried out in a
rather passive way, as otherwise there

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is a risk of not obtaining information
due to to active monitoring. Measures are

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taken on a multi professional basis,
including a precise risk management and legally pending

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case conferences. Close cooperation with all
involved authorities is always thought. However,

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before we talk about measures or interventions, we need to talk about the information

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management that must be precede the measures. Without the appropriate information, targeted measures

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cannot even be implemented. The flow
of information must be seamless, inter agency

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standardized and compelled, and the panel
system. The most effective way to obtain

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the manage information is the dynamic security
concept and conjunction with the prison intelligence concept.

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So how does information management work in
Ousten panetary system? The most important

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aspect is the ordinary stuff because they
are by far the ones who are the

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most in contact with the prisoners.
If essential and available information is not obtained,

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analyzed and forwarded to the right contact, there is no need to discuss

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measures. Therefore, the needed information
about the concerning inmates needs to gather it.

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If someone is in prison, you
have put in jelly a lot of

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information because the easier twenty four seven. The flow of information is guaranteed by

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complasory reporting requirements. Prisons are obliged
to report certain circumstances to the appropriate units,

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for example, for example, misdemeanors, discoveries of questionable symbols, desired

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outside contacts and so on. Intelligence
is does ensured by cooperation between the state

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protection authorities and the prison intelligence system
as well as by information analysis. To

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that effect, stand standardized reporting modalities
have likewise been set up between the state

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protection authorities and the prison administration,
which just reduced the danger of information leakage.

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Based on the information obtained, targeted
actions can then be taken. These

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can be high level as well as
low level measures. The examples are set

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up here. Low level measures should
not be underestimated. They can be very

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effective. In one case of successful
the radicalization, the CSI factor was that

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the inmate was housed together with the
Christian I was and got along well with

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him. He mentioned this in a
follow up interview. So thank you for

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your attention and if you have any
questions, please do not hesitate to contact

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me. Thank you, thank you, thank you very much also for this

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interesting presentation. And now our fourth
I mean, first of all, I

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wanted to say that we will still
have some additional time after two thirty four

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questions, so don't don't worry about
the time. I mean yes, worry

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about the time, but not so
worried as was planned at the beginning.

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So our first speaker will be mister
Wilson Francis Magomu, a Senior Commissioner of

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Prisons and counter Terrorism focal point in
Uganda Prison Service. But before giving you

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the floor, um, I wanted
to express on behalf I think of everyone

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in this room our deep condolences to
you and to your country Uganda, of

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course, for the terrible event that
happened a few days ago in your country.

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Now I give you the floor,
please, I thank you very much

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your excellences that distinguished guests, the
panelists. I will start by thanking the

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organizers for giving me the opportunity to
share with you the experience that Uganda Prison

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Service has gone through in the management
of violent extremist prisoners. We appreciate your

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Messa condolens message sympathizing with Uganda.
I think it was the last Friday in

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the evening that we had that struggle
invent where the suspected variant extremist rebel group

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attacked a secondary school boarding school,
and you saw what happened. It was

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really a very big tragedy. I
wanted also to bring to your attention that

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Uganda was a manga the three beneficial
countries that benefited from the global initiative of

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supporting the management violent prisoners and stopping
adcalization within the prisons. So on that

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note, I want acknowledge and thank
the following the European Union that he found

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gave part of the funding. The
Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Netherlands,

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the U went counter Terrorism Center,
and then you went Security Council, counter

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Terrorism Committee Directorate and the UN or
DC, so that really helpters really to

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get into how to manage the violent
extreme prisoners. Uganda prisons. The population

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of prisoners is the as of this
morning, we have the population of seventy

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six prisons, seventy six thousand and
ninety five prisoners and these are spread are

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being held in over two hundred and
fifty three prison units. The annual prisoners

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gross population is eight point three so
every year the population of prisoners is growing.

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Our actual what would be the ideal
restoration would be like twenty thousand,

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three hundred and twenty one prisoners.
But as as I have told you,

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as of this morning, we have
a population of seventy six and ninety seventy

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six thousand and ninety five prisoners,
So this means that we're holding in excess

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of fifty six thousand prisoners. When
you look at the staff ratio to the

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prisoners, we are at one to
seven, so the staff are constrained,

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so what do they do? We
benefit from the global the support from the

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Global Initiative. One was that we're
able to integrate the piece imodules into our

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training curriculum. We thought that this
will form the basis and act as a

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sustainable way of trying to roll out
the curriculum and the training of the staff.

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We also developed a prison policy on
intelligence. We now have a prison

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intelligence in the place which is well
structured and what is remaining is now rolling

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out and implementing it into other units. We also developed a prisoner's classification,

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a framework which is based on the
risk and needs assessment of all persons that

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come into prison. In the past
where we have been really gambling and we

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didn't know how to go about that. So now this is in place.

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Currently we are we are developing an
integrated reappelitation and reintegration integration model for prisoners

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who are being charged of violent extremist
prisoners. We have a total of one

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hundred and seven to one prisoners we
have been charged with the terrorism or related

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decases and are out of this one
hundred and sixty eight are still awaiting pre

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trial they are still on remand of
this we have one hundred and fifty four

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who are men and we have a
total of fourteen who are women. Challenges

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when you follow my presentation, you'll
find that we have a problem of overcrowding,

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so most of the prisons are overcrowded, and that this makes it very

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hard really to to engage and manage
the divided extremist prisoners. So it's a

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very big challenge that we have.
Second day, we have also a problem

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of delayed trials and most of the
terrorism related cases tend to take a long

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time to be right, and also
the investigations are still ongoing. Further,

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like you have said, terrorism in
our country is active as the you have

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not not too long ago, like
two years ago we had the one year

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one year and a half we had
bombings where a number of people were killed.

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Now this has been followed by what
happened on last Friday. So the

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active the terrorism threat is very active. And because of that, maybe it

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is based on our involvement in the
fight against terrorism and Samaria and also in

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the dar At Sea. So we
have also the challenges of now training the

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staff so that really they can they
can leave to the task because the problem

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is ongoing and it is quite quite
quite into use. So those are the

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few experiences that I wanted to share
with you. I want to thank you

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very much for listening and for inviting
us to part spent in this forum.

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I thank you very much. Ultimately, the goal is to spread love,

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not hate, to do things so
that people feel wanted in our world and

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not left behind. That could be
the ultimate key to ending radical ideas,

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in isolating those people who have these
radical ideas as opposed to the mainstream people.

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Mostlyinstream people don't have these radical ideas, and most mainstream people, it

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doesn't matter the religion or the creed
that they just want to live in peace,

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that they don't want war or hatred
in their lives. So let's focus

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on ways to make the peace the
love happen in our worlds. And we

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want to thank you for listening to
policy and rights today and listening listening to

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what is it actually happening with radical
ideas in prisons so that somehow we can

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find a way to limit them.
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