This week we're looking at the holy science, according to Shri Yukoswar, that
defines the previous epochs, their science, their levels of consciousness, how humans
or Homo sapien sapiens existed in harmony with nature. Did you just give us
an understanding of the previous epochs that go back hundreds of thousands of years in
the past and show us that Homo sapien sapiens lived over one million years ago
and according to many of the Yugos scientists, as far back as fifty million
years in the past. All this and more today on Earth Ancients for Saturday,
October twenty first, twenty twenty four. This is Earth Ancients. I'm
your host, Cliff Dunning. Hey, how are you come on in and
have a seat. What you're doing well? Today? Today we're discussing the
early epochs of mankind and we are looking at it through the Yuga. This
cyclic system developed in India and recently, well recent is in terms of updates,
over one hundred years ago actually eighteen ninety four, revised by Shri Yuktaswar
who was a cosmological astrological scientist. Now, the program we were featuring today
is Joseph Selby's book just came out called The Physics of God. But the
fundamentals of this are the yugas. And what makes it of importance to us
here on Earth agels, is the fact that it discusses mankind in the previous
ex the previous ages that go back tens of thousands of years. In fact,
the Hindus believe that Homo sapien sapien goes back fifty million years. We
talk about great ages. This is a science that we can look at now.
Shri Ukaswar wrote a book called The Holy Science over one hundred years ago.
It's only about twenty five pages. But what it does is realign the
yogas so that we understand that we are in the correct age, which he
calls which are called the dwar Pa Yoga. It's not the KLi yuga.
Everyone thinks we're in the Cali yuga. Tupara Yugas are all about is energy,
electricity, material, wealth, greed. Obviously, we're going through a
lot of we're having a lot of problems right now. We're going through a
lot of changes. And when we look at this, we see that we're
coming out of it. We still have about a thousand years, but we're
starting to come out of it, and we're beginning to see a realization that
practices like yoga, taichi, other body systems, and contemplative practices are becoming
vogue again. And when we can go inward and tap the higher wisdoms,
which include the Akashik records and other realities, then we're fulfilling our physical dimensions
of being on the planet at this time. Now, one of the things
that is going to be discussed today is the fact that the ancients, the
earlier epochs, combine religion and science in the same manner that we hear about
the Dynasty Egyptians combining astronomy with astrology. Now, I've mentioned it many times
that when we do our tours each year, we make almost a pilgrimage,
you can say, in Dendera, Egypt. And this is a very very
old temple reused over thousands and thousands of years. It's called the Hathor Temple,
and it's an astronomical temple, meaning that the roof and the upper sections
are devoted to skywatching. There's unique megalithic stone work everywhere. I mean,
it's built with massive sandstone and granite. But on the very top of the
temple, the ceiling of the observatory area is a huge carving of the astrological
figures and their importance to constellations, and we see this with different figures of
the constellations. We see this with very different planetary systems. We don't know
actually how it was used, but we do know that it's an important marker.
In fact, it was so important that when Napoleon was in the area
and conquered the nomads who lived in that part of the world, he had
the entire ceiling cut out and shipped to Paris, and you can see it
today in the Louver, one of the world's most amazing museums. I had
a chance to see it when I was there a couple of years ago.
It is a monstrosity, and the Egyptian authorities have wanted to have it brought
back and have pleaded for it, but I doubt that it will be removed.
What they have done is they've taken an impression, and so when you
go there now you see an impression of the original ceiling that has been applied
to the original location. But this temple gives us a great deal of information
about how the Egyptians sanctified the constellations, used astrology and astronomy to align their
daily activities, as well as using it for prophecy, for forecasting and understanding
where they sat at that time, you know, thousands of years ago,
where their position was, and what they can probably look forward to. But
the Yugas are something that has fascinated me for a long time because it is
again giving us a sense of mankind through these cycles and its height. It's
almost like Homo sapient Saping develops into a godlike or a demigod like, being
able to stretch the mind and understand what's going on around them and throughout the
earth, very likely piercing the veil of the conscious and unconscious mind, tapping
into the cloud database that we consider the Kashik records, and also likely working
with the celestial energies and developing technology and applying it. And this technology that
I'm talking about tolluric energy, placing buildings on lay lines that are bubbling up
this geomagnetic energy that we consider as teluric. And the one thing that is
fascinating is if you go to these temples and hathor is one. The Osirian
is another one. Great Pyramid Kufu Pyramid is another one. But there's a
lot of different buildings that we go to that are sitting on these lay lines,
and at certain times of year, not all of them, some of
them have been damaged irreparably and they're not functioning anymore. But at Karnak,
at Luxar, at Aswuan, Elephantine Island, many many, many places that
are sacred to the ancient Egyptians were placed over these telluric fields that generated energy
and enhanced these temples so that when you did go into them, you and
you walked in there with an intention to know more, to be healed whatever.
It actually enhanced the human physiology. And we get this occasionally at Hathor.
Hathor's not functioning to its capacity because it's been torn down and damaged through
earthquakes, just through age, and we don't know how to keep these machines
running. And this is the big deal that we're facing right now. The
techniques, the knowledge to keep these temples and pyramids active has been lost to
us. So I want to play a short audio from a video called Ancient
Science of the Ages of Mankind and the Yugas with David Steinmanz. He's an
author and historian who has studied the Yugas. Just have a quick listen.
It was sometime in the mid sixties that a friend Alane for several books on
matters Hindu and I read them. One in particular stood out. It was
a little, tiny book written over one hundred years ago by a Swamish for
your Teshwar. Now the book is full of virtual teachings, but there was
an introduction to the book, just fourteen tiny pages, and it introduced a
way of looking at history that was entirely different than anything I'd seen before.
This idea of a succession of ages called Yugos, with each age having a
different characteristic And I thought, oh, if this is true, I've got
to turn upside down so much that I thought I knew about history. So
I kind of sat on it and looked, and you know, was a
little bit skeptical, but just to watch, because here this thing had been
sitting for like one hundred years and nobody seemed to be paying much attention to
it. But gradually I began to see, as I learned a little bit
about history, that things began to fit. Each age changes to the next
age at a time when the history book said it was a turning point.
And what resulted was a framework which has a place not only for facts that
are generally accepted and known, but also things that seem to be anomalies,
things that don't seem to fit. And what was more important is it gives
direction and sense to all those things that happened in history. You know,
in the you know, we learned history is just one thing after another without
any particular connection. But with his system, it has purpose and direction,
and I found that fascinating. It turns out it's a little different than the
Yuga system that is currently traditional in India. But what U Teeshwar did was
restore something that was even older. And as years went by, I began
to talk about the Yugas in the eighties and you know, time went on,
ah and I learned more and more UH and now I teach a course
in it actually, And so when the opportunity came to UH to work with
Joseph Selby and putting together a book, that was a wonderful, wonderful thing.
And I really have enjoyed the association because I think Shrek Teshwar's message is
not just intended for a few spiritual devities. It's a message for the whole
world. It's a message that shows us that what's happening around us has meaning.
That the the the the things that are current history, the problems that
are that that is facing us, are problems to help us learn, and
in each age we'll learn more. And it turns things around in history from
what we're taught. Because well, consider the development of agriculture now. But
that is a great is a great advance. But perhaps before that people had
a better relationship with the animals and the plants, and maybe they just didn't
need to eat so much. Maybe agriculture was making do for the loss of
something, a loss of a consciousness that was more holistic, that was more
unified with nature, or the invention of writing. Perhaps before the writing was
invented, they didn't need it. I've presumed that ancient people were just as
intelligent as we are, maybe more. But in time came when there was
a change in the mental power in the consciousness, and then writing was necessary.
And so these changes don't require any change of facts, but you can
see them in a whole new light and In that light, you can see
that we're moving forward, that this is on the upswing. Is our present
time is moving toward a time of higher consciousness. Oh, things seem to
be getting worse around us all the time, but that's because we're living in
a time of increased energy, which is energizing all the negative stuff that we've
got to leave behind, and that'll happen. So this message of the Yugas,
I believe began to understand more and more, is something that treet Teshwar
was giving to the world, and yet it hasn't really come out yet.
But in this book The Yugas, we can introduce it to you and I
think you'll find it just as exciting as I have. By the way I
mentioned it earlier. But again, this book that Shri Yukuswar wrote is called
The Holy Science. It's about twenty four pages, but each page is packed
with some pretty powerful stuff. I would suggest getting a copy if you're interested
in the Yugas and it's realignment through Shri Yukuswar, and you can get it
on Amazon, would you believe? So? Check that out. So today's
program is the Physics of God, and my guest is Joseph Selby. A
few years ago, I had an author on the program who wrote a book
called The Yugas. His name is Joseph Selby, and I've been fascinated by
the Eastern philosophy of Yugas for many, many years. I can't quite explain
him, and there's conflicts regarding one version over another. But we have Joseph
back on the program who has written a new book called The Physics of God,
Unifying quantum physics, consciousness, m theory, heaven, neuroscience, and
transcendence. Now that's a mouthful right there, but this book covers a great
deal and I wanted to have Joseph back. I realized that I haven't had
him on the program for almost nine years since the publishing of that first book,
The Yugas. And this is an important book, The Physics of God,
because he is looking at it not only from current scientific theories and views
of quantum theories and consciousness, but also from a spiritual perspective, which really
makes this an important book because, as you'll learn today, there's an aspect
of spirituality, science and consciousness that all go hand in hand. And as
you'll learn this all kind of fits into one package. So Hey, Joseph,
welcome back to Earth. Ancient's great to see you. Thanks for having
me back. Cliff really appreciate being here. I got to ask you.
You take on a great deal in this book, and in the opening of
the book you describe your childhood as being surrounded by PhDs, mds, quite
a scientific profile of a family tree. And this has obviously influenced you.
But at some point you what was it that you just had too much of
it and you were beginning to look at the Eastern philosophy. How did you
talk a little bit about how you have evolved as a person. Well,
there was one highly influential experience that I had when I was in college.
I went into college thoroughly expecting that I would get a degree and something science
oriented. I was a majoring in molecular biology, which was a fascinating subject.
I was really enjoying it. And as you alluded already, I have
strong science background just from my family. Their approach to life was very much
science oriented. And at the same time, and this will date me as
a child of the late sixties early seventies, I was taking hallucinogenic drugs for
fun, you know, just as recreational drug as most of the other people
who I was with in college were doing, and I started to have several
experiences that were more profound than recreational, until I finally had one that was
extremely deep in the sense that I felt like I was tuning into who I
was deep down and that I couldn't have described it in these words at the
time, but I can't understand that I was, you know, touching into
a universal soul that goes beyond just the physical body, beyond the mind and
thoughts and into an expanded awareness. I wasn't sort of cosmically conscious, where
you know, I was out in the galaxies and not here. But nonetheless,
even though I was here and I was with people, I felt as
if I were a part of those infinite realms. And it brought with it
enormous satisfaction, sense of well being, feeling of peace, just an abiding
sense of happiness and joy. And this was such an amazing experience I have
not forgotten any of it to this day. That it really set me almost
about face in the middle of my college years to try to experience more of
that. I knew that while a hallucinogenic drug may have given me a glimpse
of it that hallucinogenic drugs were not going to keep me going in the direction
I wanted to go. And so that's when I started diving into the teachings
of Barmhannta Yogananda. And that's the connection to the Yugas, because the Yugas
is I explain them in the book The units Ore ex does teacher street Teshwar.
So that hallucinogenic experience sent me on this path of more inner spiritual exploration,
and that eventually led me to live in a spiritual community called Ananda here
in northern California. But nonetheless, I never lost my interest in and respect
for science as a method of discovery and as a method of verification of discoveries.
So what began to happen for me not long after this sort of about
face was that I began seeing two sides of everything. I began seeing the
inner spiritual side, and I began to see how that connected to the world
is described by science, and the world particularly is described by physics that is
a little bit bigger in its picture than say biology or geology that focus on
the kind of the hearing. Now in this world, physics goes well beyond,
and in fact, the more I got into it, the more fascinating
it was for me to realize that many physicists have a very profound, high
minded, spiritual view of reality, not that they brought with them to physics,
but that physics gave them as they dived into some of these deep,
deep questions about the origin of the universe and the relationship of the human mind
and consciousness to physical reality. So it's been a wonderful kind of pairing for
me, the spiritual side and the scientific side that has been with me all
my life. I want to mention this real quickly that the Ananda group is.
It's in northern California. It's a community. I know them well,
having been the program director for Whole Life Expo here in San Francisco and having
various members of the community here speak and talk about their perspective on reality.
But more importantly, it really feels like this book, The Physics of God
is a chapter out of Shri Yukoswarz The Holy Science in his perspective. Now
it's not entirely from his book, but I want to just read the introduction
to his book. He calls us the purpose of the book. He says,
the purpose of this book is to show as clearly as possible that there
isn't a sensual unity in all religions, that there is no difference in the
truth inculcate inculcutated by the various faiths, that there is but one method by
which the world, both external and internal, has evolved, and that there
is but one God admitted by all scriptures. That's kind of that that the
focal point of his book. And I'm wondering, I really, as far
as I've gotten in your book am enjoying it. Is it the need to
help people understand that our current science, be it quantum physics, physics in
general, unified theory, so forth, is made up of the same components
but just in a different language. Or help me get a sense of what
you're trying to do for the reader of this book, because I think it's
fantastic. Well, I had sort of two audiences in mind when I wrote
the book. One audience that I know from family members, friends that are
sort of outside of my spiritual circle, particularly work colleagues. I started a
business that took me all over the United States and into Europe doing web design
projects, for large corporations, and so I ran into many, many people,
and as you do, you know, you go out to dinner with
them, you talk about their family and friends, and every now and again
the conversations come back to, you know, why are we all here,
what are we doing? What's our purpose? And I found again and again
that there were people who would almost literally say this word for word, I'd
like to be able to believe in God, but I can't see how it
fits in with science. And I thought, you know, as somebody who's
made that connection and bridged that seeming divide between the two, I always thought
it was such a shame that people would see science as a barrier to being
able to experience a very fulfilling, life affirming, life expanding connection to spirit
that is just a natural one that all of us can have, and yet
they back away from it because of that. So that was one audience.
The other audience was that I found a lot of people who embrace spiritual teachings
aren't put off by science, but they would really like to know how they
go together, almost on a level of fascination and inspiration. You know,
how can these two seemingly different world actually be united? And as I say
in the in the book, there there can be and only is one reality.
There's not a reality for scientists and a reality for people who are interested
in God in the spiritual path. There's only one reality. So there has
to be ways that these come together. And so that was really the purpose
of the book was to reach those two different groups. Yeah, I love
it. What is your definition of religious science? What would you say when
you say, and you talk about this in the book with getting into the
Holy Science, what is your take on this? Well, it's a really
excellent question because my starting point with most people who think that there is a
conflict between science and religion is to start by trying to clarify what religion is
and isn't and what science is and isn't. So starting with science, a
lot of people mistakenly think that there is a official, agreed upon view of
reality that has been proven out without any doubts, that describes all of the
reality that we live in from a scientific point of view as matter and energy
interacting and that's that's it. They've sown it all up. They have this
perfectly cohesive picture of reality, and it doesn't include spirit, doesn't include God.
Doesn't include anything subtle, and that's just the way it is. But
that's not actually true. That is the interpretation of what is actually a minority
of scientists, big minority, forty one percent according to Pew, and it
was done in two nine, so I don't know what it is now.
But that strong minority of scientists are the ones who say, this is what
science is, this is what reality is based on science. But the other
sixty percent of scientists understand that there's room for different interpretations of the same discoveries.
So a scientist who has that material bias sees in the latest discovery confirmation
that everything is matter and energy and nothing more, where scientists who have a
broader perspective think, well, that may indicate that that could be the nature
of consciousness, that could be the origin of consciousness, that could be some
clue as to how consciousness fits into this smaller picture of just matter and energy.
So the first thing you have to do if you want to understand the
connection is to understand that one, not all scientists agree on what all those
discoveries collectively mean, and two that everyone's take on them is an interpretation of
the discovery, and they can be very convincing interpretations, but some of them
are labored, like their interpretation of where consciousness comes from. You know,
they're just absolutely convinced that consciousness is born in the physical brain as a product
of neurons interacting with neurons setting up electrical fields or perhaps more subtle, quantum
energy fields, and that that interaction creates consciousness and everything we experience, our
thoughts, our feelings, our perceptions, our minds, I view, you
know, just seeing reality as one seamless hole, that all these are the
product of that. But if you dig into it much at all, you'll
find that there's absolutely no proof that consciousness originates from the brain. There's speculation,
there's a commitment to it by materialists, but there's very little proof.
So that is an opening, if you will, to think about, well,
what other realities could there be that could be creating this consciousness? And
that opens the door for further discovery and kind of reduces this tenacious grip that
science seems to have on many people's thoughts and minds. But the issue is,
and you bring this up at the very beginning of your book, is
that the scientific material materialism, which is the foundation for the scientific method is
what we live with right now, and it's so completely limiting that we are
losing tons of other data, especially in the study of consciousness and other exotic
disciplines, so that we're bogged down with this. How do we get out
of this? How do we move is it? Is it the discovery method
that we that we move out of it? Because if you use the site
and you mentioned this in your book, you give a great example, and
you just mentioned it. When we're studying, when they're studying consciousness, they
have nowhere to go, they have nowhere to start and order to finish,
and you can't you can't reproduce it, you know, you can't reproduce an
experiment to quantify it. So talk a little bit about our current state of
scientific materialism. Well, scientific materialism is that the philosophical term that gives a
broader sort of meaning to the thought that people are materialists. It means that
they're committed to the view that matter and energy and their interactions between matter and
energy are the only reality there is and can be, and therefore everything else
has to be able to be explained by it. If that's all there is,
then it must be able to explain consciousness. It must be able to
explain the origin of life, it must be able to explain the origin of
the universe. But it doesn't. Now, if you have a conversation with
somebody who's committed to scientific materialism, they'll just say, well, it's just
a matter of time. They'll figure it out. They're smart people, they'll
make the right discoveries and then you'll see. But that isn't really an inevitable
product of the scientific method, because the scientific method has been used with the
same degree of exactitude to discover adomilies in that materialist point of view as it
has been to create the convictions that they have that it's material. Let me
give you one example. There were a series of experiments done. It's been
a while now, but I'm not exactly sure when where two subjects were asked
to meditate together and they meditated together for I don't know, fifteen to twenty
minutes something like that, and that at the end of their meditation they agreed
to stay connected. Now that sort of would drive a material crazy because the
materialist will say, well, what does that mean that they agreed to stay
connected? I mean, that has no meaning. But the next step in
The experiment was to put the two subjects well apart from each other in different
rooms where they could neither see nor hear each other, and they were in
Faraday cages. Fara day cages block out electromagnetic frequencies, so it would be
impossible for them to have fraudulently brought in you know, little tiny radios or
microphones are in some way been communicating with each other. And then they were
put into identical EEGs electro and cephalographs measuring you know, activations in brain waves,
the basis of a lie detector test, and one of the subjects,
but not both, was hit with a bright flash of light and their reading
on their EEG spiked. As you would imagine, it was very startling.
They didn't know was coming and blam out, you know, you get this
blast of light in your eyes. Well fifty percent of the time, the
other subject in the other cage, in the other room also had a spike
at exactly the same instant. So how do you explain that materially? And
there are many other experiments, but my initial point there was to say they
applied the scientific method, because it's just a methodical means of discovering things and
so you can use that to uncover more and more about consciousness and thoughts and
emotions, or you can use it to keep learning more and more about the
atom. It will work in any direction. The problem that you're pointing out
is that the materialists simply aren't interested in discoveries like the one I just described,
And if you bring it up with them, we'll bring up the tried
and true must have been so sloppy science, or it must have been fraud.
And that's just you know, without seeing how the experiment was conducted,
what kind of controls were put in to make sure it worked, and how
many subjects it experienced it. But if they gave it a real look,
they would have had to admit this was rigorous science. This was the scientific
method applied appropriately. But they're simply not interested. And probably if you got
them in private and they'd had a quick one or two, they just laugh
at it and say, what a colossal waste of time. There just are
no answers outside of matter and energy. So it's a belief system that they
operate in. But if you were to tell them it was a belief system,
they'd be outraged, say, we don't work off a belief we test
rigorously. The fact is they won't test everything rigorously. They only test in
the arena that they believe to be the realm of reality. I think this
is a universal problem right now because it's a limited paradigm. And if we
look at the previous epoch, which I leave is in the ruins of the
Great Pyramid and the number of temples and other anomalies that our current science cannot
explain. And this goes into archaeology, egyptological research, and things like that.
They can't move beyond the scientific method to look at this earlier epoch that
likely had a different science, likely had a different level of consciousness. And
I think we're at the cusp of understanding them. But unfortunately, the bearers
of the of the creed, of the crime, of the crest of science
belongs to these limited scientific groups. And it's just really frustrating. What do
you say to that. Well, I think you put your finger on it.
It's just that they are in the driver's seat of science right now and
they really don't want to go try to investigate things in realms. One they
don't believe in, but two they're afraid. I think that it's a morass,
that they will find themselves unable to prove or disprove things, and that
they'll be uh, they'll be considered the guys that they used to laugh at,
right, they'll be that they'll be considered the paranormal types out there with
funny antennas and tinfoil hats. You know that they don't want to be seen
as the crackpot scientists because they have, you know, careers that they value
and they want the respect of their peers. So it's a very hard group
to expect to change because there's a lot of commitment there. But luckily there
are scientists and there is funding, although very little, that allows for these
more open minded scientists to make discoveries like the one I mentioned, and to
take a look at things in the past as you were describing, and ask
harder questions about you know, how on Earth is it possible that these people
could have built a building the Great Pyramid that is so massive, was so
beautiful, completely clad in white limestone, and remain the largest building in the
world for thirty eight hundred years. Now, you just explain that as a
bunch of people coming really stumbling out of the Neolithic, the New Stone age
and suddenly said, well, let's you know, we've got nothing better to
do. Let's build this perfect, enormous building so that when our beloved leader
dies we can stick him in there. You know, there's no prior history
of doing that kind of thing with leaders. It doesn't last. You know,
there really is no evidence that any of the pyramids were used as burial
tombs. But scientists, again there's the same division. There are the the
sort of mainstream archaeologists who just don't want to imagine, don't even want to
consider that there were more subtle things going on that they might not understand,
And they're the open minded archaeologists who you know, see real possibilities for higher
consciousness to have been the real explanation for these marvels of the past. We're
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and we will be right back with my guest today, Joseph Selby, discussing
his new book, The Physics of God. We'll be right back, Okay.
My guest today is author Joseph Selby, who has written a new book
called The Physics of God, which looks into the Yugas but also how today's
science is complimentary to what we understand as religion, but more to the point,
how to understand the earlier epics and their achievements as human beings. You
do talk about this in your The Yugos book. The other thing is,
and I have to remember this, we're not in Cali Yuga right now.
We're in Dwarpara Yuga, and this is still a challenging period that we're in.
So we we talk a little bit about that because that that has to
do with some of the some of the thinking that we're currently dealing with.
Well, then one of the kind of core things we can learn from the
Yugos is that there is a decending cycle, an ascending cycle. So half
a circle, if you will. Mankind as a whole is going from a
high point of consciousness and then gradually descending for twelve thousand years to a low
point of consciousness, and then from that low point there's an ascending arc that
goes back to that high level of consciousness that also takes twelve thousand years.
So according to Sriac Tashwar, the cycle that we're in now hit its naydier
in five hundred AD, so we have been on the upswing for fifteen hundred
years approximately, And if you look at just those fifteen hundred years, you
can see that mankind has wrap evolved, civilizations have improved, We've seen the
Renaissance, We've seen similar things in India and China. And then come the
nineteen hundreds, just this radical transformation took place in the world where we started
using electricity, we started understanding that matter is energy. We started exploiting that
knowledge with the invention of various ways in which we could communicate more rapidly and
more at greater distances. Until now, just as you and I are doing,
we're talking in real time hundreds maybe thousands of miles apart, and we
think nothing of it that But in nineteen hundred this would have just been a
fantasy. So that is just one thread of howvialization has exploded. Well,
sriak Tashwar says, not only have we been on the upswing that in nineteen
hundred, mankind as a whole would go through a significant change of consciousness that
would allow them to appreciate that matter was really energy. And we appreciate that
on a level of the laws of physics. But we also see it sort
of being put to work. We exploit matter to become energy in nuclear power
generation, et cetera. So I think that this, you know, kind
of known dissent and then ascent gives us a glimpse of where we might be
going because we can look into the past and ask where they'd in. So
we're at the very beginning of ascending. What part are you? Which is
often called the energy age. So if we look back in time and we
ask ourselves what things were like at the end of decending to what part are
yga? That can give us a little bit of an indicator of what we're
going through now and where we might go in the future. So one of
the indicators is that at the end of twa para yuga, which ended at
about seven hundred BC two hundred three hundred years prior to that, so say
one thousand BC to seven hundred BC, we saw what's known as the Bronze
Age collapse. So the Bronze Age collapse saw the end of literally hundreds of
you might think of them as you know, tie any civilization. They all
had their own languages, they all had their own territory, and they disappeared.
They were either conquered or they died out until by the end of the
Bronze Age wasn't much left. So in our period of time from roughly seventeen
hundred to where we are now, we have seen the rapid change in nation
states, just one after the other. You know, we saw the rise
of the Soviet Union, the collapse of the Soviet Union. We've seen the
rise of colonialism and the collapse of colonialism. We've seen all these changes to
nation states. Now we're improving rather than devolving, so we're likely to come
out with some degree of equable consolidation, if not soon, at least maybe
in the next hundred years, this rapid change among you know, national units,
political units is likely to slow down and even stop. The other thing
that I think we can see for our time now, and is a very
welcome thing, is that, in addition to our age being the energy age,
because of our knowledge and understanding of physical laws that reveal energy to be
the underpinning of a matter, we also have changed in consciousness to where we
can directly and personally perceive subtle energy. Now you've probably done this, You've
probably let people in doing this where you read, you know, you read
your hands together. Then you close your eyes and you can gradually move your
palms just almost touching and pulling them apart, and you actually start to feel
something. It's like there's a presence there that gets compressed when you're pulling your
hands together and gets a little stretched out when you pull them apart. I
believe that's subtle energy that you're feeling. I also believe that in the yoga
before this one, the Collie yoga, if you had asked people to do
that, they wouldn't have felt anything. They would have been unable to be
aware of subtle energy. And that is the real gift of Dwapara you get
to us, is that we as individuals are more aware of our subtle energy.
And this is the main reason why we're seeing things like alternative healing that
involves you know, acupuncture, awakening chi and in our meridians, and chiropractic
which does a very similar sort of thing by manipulating the spine and other parts
of the body. But we also see people meditating because you can feel and
focus your own subtle energy into higher centers in the body and gain by it
and enjoy it. If we look to the past in Dwapara yuga. All
of this existed then, and in fact today we're borrowing many of the forms
that were in use in this And this is interesting that you bring this up
because I learned meditation when I was a teenager from Maharishi mish Yogi, and
I couldn't I could not have done any other type of yoga. He hybrid
tied the whole thing for twenty minute, twice a day program rather than the
traditional many hours or sometimes days, right and so, and I don't know
how many millions of people turned on to that, but this form of meditation
was very beneficial for a young person whose attention span is about you know this
short, very short, right and and so there's a subtle current. And
I wonder about that you're feeling. You're talking about this now as people are
meditating? What this what what our world is beginning to look like? With
all these meditators online? You know? What is that beginning to look like?
What do you see as an observer? Well, if the past is
any indicator, this will become more and more of the normal way in which
everyone practiced their their spirituality, that their spirituality will be based on direct experience
rather than solely on belief, and that medicine will be a complimented more and
more by people learning to work with that subtle energy to improve their health.
And that I think by the time we get into the heart of to a
part of Yuga, which you know, could be another hundreds of years,
a thousand years from now, those things like it was in the past,
like it was in with additional Chinese medicine, with the various philosophies of China
that supported a meditative, interior sort of approach to spirituality, echoed in India,
echoed in Egypt like it was then, we will see it in our
flapara in the future, where the predominant way in which people live is with
and through attainment to more subtle realities within ourselves real quickly, How did he
or how did the Yugos develop? I mean, Yukoshwar was a Vedic astrologer,
and that's a science in itself, although we don't here in the West,
do not recognize it as a science. But how would he be able
to extract or how was the data for these ages of man extracted? Was
it archaeological or astrologically focused data or were they tapping into the Akashik records and
finding these various periods of man's development. Well, Spirit Teshwar indeed was an
astrologer, and there are elements of his knowledge of astrology in his description of
the yugas, but he also attributes the core concept to having been in the
ancient Vedic scriptures, and they're described not only conceptually, but various ages are
given their names, and the lengths of those ages are also specified. So
spiritt Ar took that, and then I think he sort of calibrated where we
are in that cycle from his astronomical and astrological knowledge. Okay, so he
tied it all in on a scientific method real quickly. Then I want to
move on to quantum science. But when he's working on these yogas, is
he looking for corresponding data to confirm these time periods? So, in other
words, maybe there's some writing from a person who was alive, But in
the periods that we've passed that are tens of thousands of years in the past.
Does he look at a temple and align it with data? How can
he correspond these periods of time in some form of scientific method? Well,
I wish he had, But as far as I know, and I would
love to find out I'm wrong. And there's some secret tone as of yet
undiscovered in his belongings where he, you know, makes that effort to connect
the specific things with different parts of the Yugas. But what he mostly concentrated
on was the immediate future. And he was writing from the end of the
eighteen hundreds and the immediate past of like two hundred years before him, right,
And he used that as a, you know, a good illustration of
how mankind had passed out of the material age of color yoga and into the
energy age. And there's a lot of fascinating information in there, but it's
very short. I don't know if you've seen that. I've kind of scanned
through the Holy Science. Yeah, it's just the first sixteen pages. It's
not at all. It's not very much at all. So no, he
didn't really do that. But on the other hand, he was a highly
intuitive spiritual master. And you get the feeling that I get the feeling having
you know, read his other works and read all the things that yoga on
To said about three of Teshwar was that he was a man of cosmic vision.
So this would have been something that I'm sure, he intuitively felt was
true, even if he didn't get into the specifics of kind of anchoring it
to actual data. What do you real, quickly, Joseph, I mean,
do you believe there's an a Kashik field, a Kashakh records that has
all the previous president and future data? Yes, it's hard to believe,
isn't it. But it's insane. I've had a lot of people on the
program talk about it. I'm still trying to wrap my mind around it because
I don't have an understanding of what the key is to get in and access
this day this day. So I keep having people like yourself on to tell
me how, Tell me how, and maybe it'll come up in a meditation.
Aha, you know what I mean? Well, I think one way
to describe it is that our memories in this life are also in the acacia
layer. Science would have it that our memories are started the brain, but
it's another theory that has absolutely no basis in any proven scientific fact. Memories
if you think of them as similar to computer memories, and think of the
brain as a computer one movie, the amount of storage it would take to
store one movie would fill our whole brain. But yeah, so we're already
making records in the Acashak records in this lifetime. So people who can access
more of the Akashaak record generally do so because they're able to either inter temporarily
into a state of consciousness where they're not aligned with their body and this sort
of smaller version of ourselves, or like great masters who are always not aligned
with that one small aspect of themselves and breaks them free from just accessing their
own memories, their own memories of this life. So you're you're already accessing
the Nukashiak records. I just don't know it. You just don't know it.
You know, it's funny real quickly. It said that Einstein, Tesla,
some of the great minds of the Western culture got their greatest ideas either
in a light sleep or in dreams or whatever. But you have to wonder
if maybe they were tapping into the Akashik records and downloading, because we know
Tesla downloaded very advanced machines that he could not conceive of. But there's one
example, which is the Warrencliffe Tower in New York, where he was trying
to make energy free bright enhancing the atmosphphere with particles that could drive a plane,
a boat, a car, or whatever. I think he was way
ahead of himself by perhaps a couple hundred years. And obviously free energy was
not what Westinghouse or whoever was backing them at that time was wanting to do.
So he lost his fund. Yeah, well, he he was quite
a character. His His benefactor there that was giving him the money to build
that enormous tower actually thought he was doing something else entirely. Tesla just told
him that that's what he was doing, when in fact he was trying to
broadcast electricity. So it was in my mind he deserved to lose that funding.
He was he was, I didn't know that he was leaving his financers.
That that is not a good sign, not a good thing, not
anything. But I think that I would draw a distinction that the way in
which I understand the acotic record is that it has to do with memories of
lifetimes, where I think what Einstein and Tesla and other geniuses are tapping into
our eternal truths. Now, this may be a bit of a quibble if
you don't believe either one's possible, but I think there is a significant difference
that we all have the intuitive capability to tap into really deep truths, no
matter our education, no matter our reason. It's not something that we can
do lightly. Takes a lot of concentration and a lot of determination. But
to use the phrase in a different way, the truth is out there.
The truth is not something that has been created by civilized man. The truth
is out there and is always accessful, fascinating. Let's talk about a positive
that you write about in your book. It's quantum physics, more specifically quantum
mechanics, which is the intelligent observer. The breakthroughs in this field are wonderful.
It's much more flexible. Scientists can go outside their fields and start working
in things like remote viewing, and in fact, I've even heard about a
quantum computer that's in a theoretical stage, but apparently they're maybe they're getting close
to actually producing it. What is the beauty of this form of science,
Well, in many ways, what quantum physics contributed most centrally to the understanding
of all physicists, not just quantum physicists, is that there is a reality
that and it's described in many ways, and its relationship is described in many
ways. But that reality is called non locality. And I might be unusual
in picking non locality as the you know, prin simple contribution that quantum physics
gave to our world. But prior to this notion that there could be a
reality, to hold off for a minute as to what that reality is.
But the notion that there could be a reality separate from the physical universe,
or beyond the physical universe, or in which the physical universe existed, is
a huge step beyond relativity and classical physics. So non locality is a very
awkward word, and when you first hear it, it has no intuitive meaning
to you. It's unlikely to have any intuitive meaning to you because what it
was meant to describe was a reality where local behavior stopped happening and non local
behavior started happening. So local behavior is all what we think of as classic
physical laws, the way the law of gravity works, the lay of the
way the laws of electromagnetic magnetism work, that with which we're very comfortable with
which we have done amazing things. We've transformed the world modern society. It
rests on uh the abilities to exploit electromagne magnetism and matter and gravity the way
it has but quiet the physics says, yes, that's all real, but
there's this other reality that doesn't behave the same way. And this is where
you get what's known as quantum weirdness, where you have the observer paradox,
which says matter and energy, uh are two sides of the same coin.
So what we think of is matter an atom can also behave like energy,
And what we think of as energy, like light, can also behave like
matter. This matter energy duality is weird, right, because we don't we
don't see our toaster suddenly turn into a you know, a waveform. We
don't we don't see this behavior in our everyday experience. But in these very
very controlled experiments, experiments where they're looking at you know, one photon or
one atom or uh, you know, maybe a thousand photons and a thousand
atoms, but still infinitesimally tiny, uh. Subjects of the experiments, they
begin to see this behavior, and they notice that things only behave as matter
when there is an intelligent observer or an intelligent observation has taken place, and
that otherwise they behave everything behaves as energy, and that when it behaves as
energy, it is also non local. And when it behaves as matter or
particles. It's local. So these are mind bending distinctions made but for the
purposes of my book, and I'm by no means, you know, the
first one or only one to have these kind of insights about non locality and
locality. But for the purpose of my book, it's a great start point
to understand how there can be other subtle realms, how there can be an
akashic realm, how there can be a pure energy realm, how there can
be heavens, how there can be someplace for us to go between lives or
at the end of a life, and non locality and later sort of iterations
of quantum physics that include string theory, and as part of string theory,
m theory posit that this other non local realm is full of energy, it's
brimming with energy, and it's essentially infinitely larger than our physical universe, and
that an unlimited number of physical universes could exist in it, like bubbles in
an ocean. So this takes us, you know, miles parsecs light years
from being confined to this physical universe alone as being the only reality which was
big enough, right, I mean, this physical universe is mind bendingly large
and for it to be only one relatively tiny part of a much larger reality.
I found really open people up to the notion that there could be much
greater realities, that God's existence could be in this kind of dimensionless infinity that
even gives rise to non locality as large and as extent as it is,
which then in turn gives rise to the physical universe. The books called The
Physics of God. My guest today has been Joseph Selby. This is not
going to be easy to answer, but I'm going to give it to you
just straight and you can spit it out as briefly as you want. How
do we know with quantum physics? You were explaining how we create reality.
Basically, we're constantly creating our own environment, and the pluses and the minuses.
The conventional science cannot explain that. Quantum physics begins to explain that,
doesn't it? Yes, And conventional physics is also called classical physics, and
it works perfectly well within the physical universe. But as soon as you posit
as quantum physicists have that in order for the physical universe to behave the way
it does, needs to be this other non local reality, and as soon
as you accept that there has to be this other realm, then it opens
us up to speculate, what are these laws, how does this extra region,
this extra large reality beyond our own actually function? And that has been
really the realm primarily of string theorists, an m theorists, where quantum physicists
tend to be focused on still understanding how the energies that form an atom work
together to form the atom, and that that's where we get things like the
Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland, you know, where they're smashing atoms to bits,
so to speak. But all of these new frontiers and physics tend to
take us farther and farther beyond just the material universe because they have to.
They keep looking for the ultimate cause for why our universe behaves the way it
does, and they find new causes, but not ultimate causes, and then
they keep they keep going, you know, looking for what is that ultimate
cause? And I believe the ultimate cause they're going to find is consciousness and
God. And there's a lot of physicists out there who also believe that.
So it's it's it's exciting stuff, it's broadening stuff, it's mind bending stuff.
But I think it's just part of the process of finding and understanding the
true nature of reality, that is that is far greater than just this universe.
I love that. Before I we leave you, I wanted to ask
you about Michael Krimo's book Forbidden Archaeology and his discovery of a modern Homo sapien
sapien found in some deep recesses of a coal mine, that it was a
modern Homo sapien sapien that dated over a million years. Would we use the
yugas to validate something like that, a modern human that has lived over a
million years, because of course the Yugas cycled endlessly, right or do they
just do? Yeah, there's no limit. And in fact, Yogananda rather
mind blowingly said that civilized man, he used the term civilized man has existed
on Earth for over fifty million years. Fifty million, fifty million modern Homo
sape us, well, not necessarily modern, well but by mosathiens, but
civilized man self aware. Is that what you just find I think you would
have to be to have civilization to be I'm just wondering what your definition of
civil civilized man is though, Well, it's not Hunters and gatherers. I
think it would have to be beyond hunters and gathers. Okay, that's okay.
Yeah. So would that would that encompass a language? Yeah, that
would suggest, you know, many of the things that not all of the
things that we think of as civilization, you know, groups of people working
together language, right, not necessarily a particular level of technology. But because
of the Yugas, and he was saying this in the context of the Yugas,
he knew that things like technology would wax and wayne, but the notion
that there was civilized man would not necessarily have to laxingly hmm, fascinating.
I want to mention that Joseph will be at Sea Pack this weekend. That's
the consciousness and a precision of the Equinox conference. It will be in the
Palm Desert, but you also can see it as a streaming media format.
It's a SEAPAC, c p a K dot com and you can pay to
see him. Other noted people will be Graham Hancock, Hugh Newman, Mark,
our own Marco Vigato will be there and they have a great, great
lineup and we'll find refresh our memory. Joseph, what day are you speaking
on the on the program, I'll be Saturday morning, I'll be the kickoff
speaker, so I think okay, and just uh one qualification there. Although
everything will be streaming, the only exception to that will be Graham Hancock's talk.
Oh thank you for that. Thanks for reminding me. How can people
get ahold of you? Give us the website and your contact, your social
media contexts. So my website is very easy. It's Joseph Selby dot com.
So my spelling of Selby is somewhat unusual. You may have seen it
as excuse me, s E l B Y, but my spelling is s
E l B I E. So Joseph Selby s E l B I E
dot com. I have all kinds of articles there. You can learn about
my other books. You can have access to a couple of courses that I've
done, one on the Yugas and one on the Physics of God. And
that's a starting point for everything. My books pretty much are all in audible
kindle and print format and where wherever books are found, so to speak.
And I want to put a praise for the audible version of this new book,
The Physics of God, very well narrated, very well narrated and very
detailed a book, but the narration really makes it flow quite nicely. So
I'm not sure if you had a role in that or not, Joseph,
but it's fun to listen to. I'm glad it came out well, great,
well listen. Fantastic my success on this book, and let's have you
back a lot sooner than nine years. Huh, it'll be my pleasure.
That's obvious that I am fascinated by the Yugas and everything to do with them.
I think that when we look at these Yogis who actually leave civilization and
going in the mountains and they contemplate for months, years and then they come
back, we're looking at humans that have tapped into the deep recesses of the
brain and through meditative practices, are actually reaching high levels of function. And
you know, you read about these these being able to control their breathing and
their heart rate. I even read somewhere that some of these guys can stop
their hearts or slow them down so that the heartbeats barely noticeable. And that
takes a tremendous amount of practice to do something like that. But even more
so when we hear about this book The Holy Science by Shri Yukuswar. Here
is somebody who, through contemplating Medica, is actually accessing the higher realms.
And when you look at I mean, for me, the Yugas explained the
previous civilizations, the previous epochs, and gets a little a bit of a
challenge when you start looking at dates that go back tens of thousands of years
and you have to wonder what the hominins the humans on earth are about.
Well, if you read the details of the Yugas, higher are the lighter
vibrations or the periods where humans are almost like demigods. We're talking about being
able to comprehend what's going on around the world without being there by locating,
which means that you're in one place and your body can be another place.
Tapping into universal mind. In this case, we now know that that is
used to be what is universal mind? Well, we now know that that's
the Akashik records. We talked about Tesla Einstein, you know, and these
these great geniuses are able to tap into it without a great deal of problem.
They're not calling it the Kashik records. They're calling it something else,
perhaps in their dreams, perhaps in meditation. Perhaps in perhaps different levels of
consciousness, we don't know, But for me, it's becoming very obvious that
if you can quiet your brain through some meditative practice, you are beginning to
access the higher realms of the brain. And that's the other thing, you
know. I talked about meditating, learning how to do transidental meditation when I
was in my teens. I think I was eighteen, and using this technique
not only to quiet my brain, but lo and behold to access these higher
realms. Not that I'm getting a noticeable download, but when you're meditating,
you are quieting your brain. You're quieting the noise outside and around you,
and without really knowing what's going on, because when you meditate, you're just
for me. There's a there's a mantra and the word that I was given
it's a sound is specific for me and my physiology and it and it quiets
my brain, reduces the clutter the noise, and allows me for just twenty
minutes of the morning twenty minutes at night to to connect. So there's there's
a ton of literature on meditation and its benefits. I don't think we know
quite how powerful it is, but the earlier epochs were less technologically focused,
more individually focused. And this is where we're getting amazing consciousness, likely connecting
with other intelligences, you know, and here we are at this point.
Could because we're in a technological age. The other intelligences are flying around in
UAPs. So how do we connect? You know? How do we connect?
The other thing is, if you've been listening to Destiny for the next
three weeks, we're doing connecting. What we're doing the an Alien Experience ending
with Whitley Strieber the first week of November. If you haven't caught that,
check it out. Because these are humans, Earth humans connecting with off world
beings. Some of the early experiences in the seventies and eighties nineteen seventies,
nineteen eighties aren't so great. But I think if you can connect with them
before you physically meet with them, that might be an advantage. Or these
are highly evolved beings thousands tens of thousands of years in advance of us.
If they're using only telepathy to communicate, when you are developing yourself through meditative
practices, this is a way to connect with those intelligences. It's funny because
I don't think in all the years i've studied the ufology experience, that I've
heard of guru connecting. I do remember someone asking the Dali Lama when he
was doing a talk in Tibet if he had had communications or he was in
communications with alien consciousness, and he answered almost cryptically and said some thing like
I am aware of their presence. These these Lamas meditate from a very young
age, and so they are very attuned to consciousness. And when he says
that, and I can't remember what the guy what what the questionnaire if he
had followed up or not, but it was something like, yeah, I'm
aware. The Dahalai Lama says, I'm aware of other consciousnesses from other planet
other planets. But he didn't go into a lot of detail, which is
like why not, you know, why not tell us more about it.
I think it was kind of he felt like it was kind of a waste
of his time to answer it with any more depth. But if they're aware,
if these Lamas are aware, you know, it'd be nice to know
are they positive? Are they negative? How do we look out for them?
Because you know, again, when you're dealing with a being from another
planetary system, that's ten thousand, very very advanced of us. It would
be nice to know what their intentions are. If you follow the Destiny program,
Deborah Jordan Cobble was interacting with an advanced intelligence that basically treated her like
an animal. Almost. I wasn't happy with that, and you know,
not actually asking her permission. Of course, there's another issue that's likely a
situation where prior to incarnating in a body, she signed an agreement or she
laid out a script for this lifetime that included an alien encounter where she was
impregnated, delivered a child, and then that child, being a highbred,
had to stay with the aliens because it would not, according to them,
be able to live in her environment or our environment. So anyhow, the
book The Holy Science is something that everyone should get. It's a very small
book, and it's extremely deep, and I think there's bits and pieces.
I'm going to get another copy of it. I can't find my original copy,
but I think it has bits and pieces of data that link us and
provide details from the earlier epochs and how humans evolved. So fascinating topic.
Hey, I want to mention that we're going to be talking about Chinese pyramids
the first week of November. James Wood, who's a research investigator and also
an author, is going to be calling me from Shanghai, and this isn't
a unique opportunity to understand not only the Chinese pyramids, but also how they
are maintained. You know, what they look like, what they have found
in excavations of these pyramids, and some of them are extremely old, likely
to have been created in the earlier epochs. They're not necessarily well known in
terms of when they were built, but there's a few that will learn about
that are quite fascinating as well as not well considered by the locals. They've
been there for so long. They're probably like you know, local mountains,
so some of them are huge. So James Wood, first part of November.
I don't think anyone's talking about Chinese pyramids simply because here in the United
States our relationship with China is not good and it continues to deteriorate. So
whenever we have somebody who has been researching and studying the Chinese pyramids, we
want to get them on the program. So look forward to that. It's
going to air the first Saturday of November, which is November fourth, so
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