WEBVTT 1 00:00:31.320 --> 00:00:37.240 This week we're looking at the holy science, according to Shri Yukoswar, that 2 00:00:37.679 --> 00:00:43.799 defines the previous epochs, their science, their levels of consciousness, how humans 3 00:00:43.920 --> 00:00:49.759 or Homo sapien sapiens existed in harmony with nature. Did you just give us 4 00:00:49.799 --> 00:00:56.280 an understanding of the previous epochs that go back hundreds of thousands of years in 5 00:00:56.320 --> 00:01:02.799 the past and show us that Homo sapien sapiens lived over one million years ago 6 00:01:03.560 --> 00:01:10.239 and according to many of the Yugos scientists, as far back as fifty million 7 00:01:10.480 --> 00:01:49.640 years in the past. All this and more today on Earth Ancients for Saturday, 8 00:01:49.079 --> 00:01:57.319 October twenty first, twenty twenty four. This is Earth Ancients. I'm 9 00:01:57.359 --> 00:02:06.239 your host, Cliff Dunning. Hey, how are you come on in and 10 00:02:06.280 --> 00:02:10.439 have a seat. What you're doing well? Today? Today we're discussing the 11 00:02:10.479 --> 00:02:16.159 early epochs of mankind and we are looking at it through the Yuga. This 12 00:02:16.360 --> 00:02:25.319 cyclic system developed in India and recently, well recent is in terms of updates, 13 00:02:25.680 --> 00:02:34.240 over one hundred years ago actually eighteen ninety four, revised by Shri Yuktaswar 14 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:40.960 who was a cosmological astrological scientist. Now, the program we were featuring today 15 00:02:42.199 --> 00:02:46.520 is Joseph Selby's book just came out called The Physics of God. But the 16 00:02:46.560 --> 00:02:53.680 fundamentals of this are the yugas. And what makes it of importance to us 17 00:02:53.680 --> 00:02:59.680 here on Earth agels, is the fact that it discusses mankind in the previous 18 00:02:59.719 --> 00:03:07.159 ex the previous ages that go back tens of thousands of years. In fact, 19 00:03:07.199 --> 00:03:14.879 the Hindus believe that Homo sapien sapien goes back fifty million years. We 20 00:03:14.919 --> 00:03:21.280 talk about great ages. This is a science that we can look at now. 21 00:03:22.360 --> 00:03:27.719 Shri Ukaswar wrote a book called The Holy Science over one hundred years ago. 22 00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:31.520 It's only about twenty five pages. But what it does is realign the 23 00:03:31.639 --> 00:03:38.560 yogas so that we understand that we are in the correct age, which he 24 00:03:38.719 --> 00:03:45.560 calls which are called the dwar Pa Yoga. It's not the KLi yuga. 25 00:03:45.599 --> 00:03:51.759 Everyone thinks we're in the Cali yuga. Tupara Yugas are all about is energy, 26 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:58.080 electricity, material, wealth, greed. Obviously, we're going through a 27 00:03:58.120 --> 00:04:00.800 lot of we're having a lot of problems right now. We're going through a 28 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:05.240 lot of changes. And when we look at this, we see that we're 29 00:04:05.280 --> 00:04:10.120 coming out of it. We still have about a thousand years, but we're 30 00:04:10.159 --> 00:04:15.759 starting to come out of it, and we're beginning to see a realization that 31 00:04:15.040 --> 00:04:26.480 practices like yoga, taichi, other body systems, and contemplative practices are becoming 32 00:04:26.600 --> 00:04:32.160 vogue again. And when we can go inward and tap the higher wisdoms, 33 00:04:32.160 --> 00:04:42.879 which include the Akashik records and other realities, then we're fulfilling our physical dimensions 34 00:04:42.920 --> 00:04:47.120 of being on the planet at this time. Now, one of the things 35 00:04:47.120 --> 00:04:51.920 that is going to be discussed today is the fact that the ancients, the 36 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:58.519 earlier epochs, combine religion and science in the same manner that we hear about 37 00:04:58.560 --> 00:05:06.160 the Dynasty Egyptians combining astronomy with astrology. Now, I've mentioned it many times 38 00:05:06.160 --> 00:05:12.519 that when we do our tours each year, we make almost a pilgrimage, 39 00:05:12.519 --> 00:05:16.519 you can say, in Dendera, Egypt. And this is a very very 40 00:05:16.560 --> 00:05:23.519 old temple reused over thousands and thousands of years. It's called the Hathor Temple, 41 00:05:24.560 --> 00:05:30.079 and it's an astronomical temple, meaning that the roof and the upper sections 42 00:05:30.160 --> 00:05:36.319 are devoted to skywatching. There's unique megalithic stone work everywhere. I mean, 43 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:46.639 it's built with massive sandstone and granite. But on the very top of the 44 00:05:46.639 --> 00:05:56.319 temple, the ceiling of the observatory area is a huge carving of the astrological 45 00:05:56.439 --> 00:06:03.000 figures and their importance to constellations, and we see this with different figures of 46 00:06:03.079 --> 00:06:09.680 the constellations. We see this with very different planetary systems. We don't know 47 00:06:09.920 --> 00:06:14.680 actually how it was used, but we do know that it's an important marker. 48 00:06:14.680 --> 00:06:19.079 In fact, it was so important that when Napoleon was in the area 49 00:06:19.399 --> 00:06:26.040 and conquered the nomads who lived in that part of the world, he had 50 00:06:26.279 --> 00:06:31.680 the entire ceiling cut out and shipped to Paris, and you can see it 51 00:06:31.720 --> 00:06:38.240 today in the Louver, one of the world's most amazing museums. I had 52 00:06:38.279 --> 00:06:41.040 a chance to see it when I was there a couple of years ago. 53 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:46.839 It is a monstrosity, and the Egyptian authorities have wanted to have it brought 54 00:06:46.920 --> 00:06:51.920 back and have pleaded for it, but I doubt that it will be removed. 55 00:06:51.959 --> 00:06:57.319 What they have done is they've taken an impression, and so when you 56 00:06:57.399 --> 00:07:02.360 go there now you see an impression of the original ceiling that has been applied 57 00:07:02.600 --> 00:07:10.759 to the original location. But this temple gives us a great deal of information 58 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:20.920 about how the Egyptians sanctified the constellations, used astrology and astronomy to align their 59 00:07:21.160 --> 00:07:28.639 daily activities, as well as using it for prophecy, for forecasting and understanding 60 00:07:28.959 --> 00:07:33.279 where they sat at that time, you know, thousands of years ago, 61 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:39.560 where their position was, and what they can probably look forward to. But 62 00:07:39.639 --> 00:07:45.920 the Yugas are something that has fascinated me for a long time because it is 63 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:55.399 again giving us a sense of mankind through these cycles and its height. It's 64 00:07:55.399 --> 00:08:01.680 almost like Homo sapient Saping develops into a godlike or a demigod like, being 65 00:08:03.519 --> 00:08:09.079 able to stretch the mind and understand what's going on around them and throughout the 66 00:08:09.120 --> 00:08:18.120 earth, very likely piercing the veil of the conscious and unconscious mind, tapping 67 00:08:18.160 --> 00:08:26.319 into the cloud database that we consider the Kashik records, and also likely working 68 00:08:26.360 --> 00:08:37.120 with the celestial energies and developing technology and applying it. And this technology that 69 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:43.559 I'm talking about tolluric energy, placing buildings on lay lines that are bubbling up 70 00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:52.320 this geomagnetic energy that we consider as teluric. And the one thing that is 71 00:08:52.360 --> 00:08:58.080 fascinating is if you go to these temples and hathor is one. The Osirian 72 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:01.840 is another one. Great Pyramid Kufu Pyramid is another one. But there's a 73 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:07.440 lot of different buildings that we go to that are sitting on these lay lines, 74 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:11.159 and at certain times of year, not all of them, some of 75 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:18.399 them have been damaged irreparably and they're not functioning anymore. But at Karnak, 76 00:09:18.919 --> 00:09:24.679 at Luxar, at Aswuan, Elephantine Island, many many, many places that 77 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:33.519 are sacred to the ancient Egyptians were placed over these telluric fields that generated energy 78 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:41.320 and enhanced these temples so that when you did go into them, you and 79 00:09:41.639 --> 00:09:46.639 you walked in there with an intention to know more, to be healed whatever. 80 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:54.039 It actually enhanced the human physiology. And we get this occasionally at Hathor. 81 00:09:54.159 --> 00:10:01.600 Hathor's not functioning to its capacity because it's been torn down and damaged through 82 00:10:01.639 --> 00:10:05.679 earthquakes, just through age, and we don't know how to keep these machines 83 00:10:05.759 --> 00:10:11.120 running. And this is the big deal that we're facing right now. The 84 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:18.559 techniques, the knowledge to keep these temples and pyramids active has been lost to 85 00:10:18.679 --> 00:10:22.279 us. So I want to play a short audio from a video called Ancient 86 00:10:22.360 --> 00:10:28.360 Science of the Ages of Mankind and the Yugas with David Steinmanz. He's an 87 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:33.720 author and historian who has studied the Yugas. Just have a quick listen. 88 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:41.639 It was sometime in the mid sixties that a friend Alane for several books on 89 00:10:43.559 --> 00:10:50.559 matters Hindu and I read them. One in particular stood out. It was 90 00:10:50.600 --> 00:10:56.159 a little, tiny book written over one hundred years ago by a Swamish for 91 00:10:56.200 --> 00:11:01.000 your Teshwar. Now the book is full of virtual teachings, but there was 92 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:07.639 an introduction to the book, just fourteen tiny pages, and it introduced a 93 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:13.639 way of looking at history that was entirely different than anything I'd seen before. 94 00:11:15.639 --> 00:11:20.399 This idea of a succession of ages called Yugos, with each age having a 95 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:26.080 different characteristic And I thought, oh, if this is true, I've got 96 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:31.320 to turn upside down so much that I thought I knew about history. So 97 00:11:31.360 --> 00:11:35.960 I kind of sat on it and looked, and you know, was a 98 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:39.559 little bit skeptical, but just to watch, because here this thing had been 99 00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:43.120 sitting for like one hundred years and nobody seemed to be paying much attention to 100 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:48.960 it. But gradually I began to see, as I learned a little bit 101 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:56.440 about history, that things began to fit. Each age changes to the next 102 00:11:56.480 --> 00:11:58.679 age at a time when the history book said it was a turning point. 103 00:12:01.679 --> 00:12:09.159 And what resulted was a framework which has a place not only for facts that 104 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:13.399 are generally accepted and known, but also things that seem to be anomalies, 105 00:12:13.399 --> 00:12:18.200 things that don't seem to fit. And what was more important is it gives 106 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:22.240 direction and sense to all those things that happened in history. You know, 107 00:12:22.360 --> 00:12:28.320 in the you know, we learned history is just one thing after another without 108 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:33.519 any particular connection. But with his system, it has purpose and direction, 109 00:12:35.679 --> 00:12:39.159 and I found that fascinating. It turns out it's a little different than the 110 00:12:39.240 --> 00:12:46.519 Yuga system that is currently traditional in India. But what U Teeshwar did was 111 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:52.919 restore something that was even older. And as years went by, I began 112 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:58.000 to talk about the Yugas in the eighties and you know, time went on, 113 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:05.159 ah and I learned more and more UH and now I teach a course 114 00:13:05.200 --> 00:13:13.080 in it actually, And so when the opportunity came to UH to work with 115 00:13:13.879 --> 00:13:20.720 Joseph Selby and putting together a book, that was a wonderful, wonderful thing. 116 00:13:20.759 --> 00:13:28.240 And I really have enjoyed the association because I think Shrek Teshwar's message is 117 00:13:28.279 --> 00:13:33.320 not just intended for a few spiritual devities. It's a message for the whole 118 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:41.080 world. It's a message that shows us that what's happening around us has meaning. 119 00:13:41.559 --> 00:13:46.279 That the the the the things that are current history, the problems that 120 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:52.159 are that that is facing us, are problems to help us learn, and 121 00:13:52.240 --> 00:13:58.519 in each age we'll learn more. And it turns things around in history from 122 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:07.919 what we're taught. Because well, consider the development of agriculture now. But 123 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:13.240 that is a great is a great advance. But perhaps before that people had 124 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:18.559 a better relationship with the animals and the plants, and maybe they just didn't 125 00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:24.480 need to eat so much. Maybe agriculture was making do for the loss of 126 00:14:24.559 --> 00:14:28.399 something, a loss of a consciousness that was more holistic, that was more 127 00:14:30.840 --> 00:14:39.600 unified with nature, or the invention of writing. Perhaps before the writing was 128 00:14:39.639 --> 00:14:45.039 invented, they didn't need it. I've presumed that ancient people were just as 129 00:14:45.360 --> 00:14:50.399 intelligent as we are, maybe more. But in time came when there was 130 00:14:50.440 --> 00:14:58.759 a change in the mental power in the consciousness, and then writing was necessary. 131 00:15:00.279 --> 00:15:05.720 And so these changes don't require any change of facts, but you can 132 00:15:05.759 --> 00:15:09.799 see them in a whole new light and In that light, you can see 133 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:15.879 that we're moving forward, that this is on the upswing. Is our present 134 00:15:15.919 --> 00:15:20.919 time is moving toward a time of higher consciousness. Oh, things seem to 135 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:24.279 be getting worse around us all the time, but that's because we're living in 136 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:28.639 a time of increased energy, which is energizing all the negative stuff that we've 137 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:35.480 got to leave behind, and that'll happen. So this message of the Yugas, 138 00:15:35.519 --> 00:15:39.679 I believe began to understand more and more, is something that treet Teshwar 139 00:15:41.039 --> 00:15:45.720 was giving to the world, and yet it hasn't really come out yet. 140 00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:54.080 But in this book The Yugas, we can introduce it to you and I 141 00:15:54.120 --> 00:16:00.320 think you'll find it just as exciting as I have. By the way I 142 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:07.039 mentioned it earlier. But again, this book that Shri Yukuswar wrote is called 143 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:12.159 The Holy Science. It's about twenty four pages, but each page is packed 144 00:16:12.159 --> 00:16:17.639 with some pretty powerful stuff. I would suggest getting a copy if you're interested 145 00:16:17.720 --> 00:16:22.159 in the Yugas and it's realignment through Shri Yukuswar, and you can get it 146 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:29.080 on Amazon, would you believe? So? Check that out. So today's 147 00:16:29.080 --> 00:17:26.599 program is the Physics of God, and my guest is Joseph Selby. A 148 00:17:26.599 --> 00:17:30.119 few years ago, I had an author on the program who wrote a book 149 00:17:30.200 --> 00:17:38.079 called The Yugas. His name is Joseph Selby, and I've been fascinated by 150 00:17:38.359 --> 00:17:45.279 the Eastern philosophy of Yugas for many, many years. I can't quite explain 151 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:51.799 him, and there's conflicts regarding one version over another. But we have Joseph 152 00:17:51.880 --> 00:17:55.920 back on the program who has written a new book called The Physics of God, 153 00:17:56.799 --> 00:18:04.440 Unifying quantum physics, consciousness, m theory, heaven, neuroscience, and 154 00:18:04.640 --> 00:18:11.400 transcendence. Now that's a mouthful right there, but this book covers a great 155 00:18:11.440 --> 00:18:17.160 deal and I wanted to have Joseph back. I realized that I haven't had 156 00:18:17.240 --> 00:18:22.039 him on the program for almost nine years since the publishing of that first book, 157 00:18:22.200 --> 00:18:26.640 The Yugas. And this is an important book, The Physics of God, 158 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:33.440 because he is looking at it not only from current scientific theories and views 159 00:18:33.480 --> 00:18:40.920 of quantum theories and consciousness, but also from a spiritual perspective, which really 160 00:18:40.960 --> 00:18:45.759 makes this an important book because, as you'll learn today, there's an aspect 161 00:18:45.960 --> 00:18:52.880 of spirituality, science and consciousness that all go hand in hand. And as 162 00:18:52.920 --> 00:18:56.400 you'll learn this all kind of fits into one package. So Hey, Joseph, 163 00:18:56.559 --> 00:19:00.759 welcome back to Earth. Ancient's great to see you. Thanks for having 164 00:19:00.799 --> 00:19:06.440 me back. Cliff really appreciate being here. I got to ask you. 165 00:19:06.440 --> 00:19:11.000 You take on a great deal in this book, and in the opening of 166 00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:15.680 the book you describe your childhood as being surrounded by PhDs, mds, quite 167 00:19:15.720 --> 00:19:22.839 a scientific profile of a family tree. And this has obviously influenced you. 168 00:19:22.960 --> 00:19:27.440 But at some point you what was it that you just had too much of 169 00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:32.720 it and you were beginning to look at the Eastern philosophy. How did you 170 00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:38.440 talk a little bit about how you have evolved as a person. Well, 171 00:19:38.480 --> 00:19:47.039 there was one highly influential experience that I had when I was in college. 172 00:19:48.759 --> 00:19:55.920 I went into college thoroughly expecting that I would get a degree and something science 173 00:19:56.000 --> 00:20:03.559 oriented. I was a majoring in molecular biology, which was a fascinating subject. 174 00:20:03.599 --> 00:20:08.680 I was really enjoying it. And as you alluded already, I have 175 00:20:08.839 --> 00:20:15.119 strong science background just from my family. Their approach to life was very much 176 00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:22.920 science oriented. And at the same time, and this will date me as 177 00:20:23.559 --> 00:20:33.359 a child of the late sixties early seventies, I was taking hallucinogenic drugs for 178 00:20:33.400 --> 00:20:38.319 fun, you know, just as recreational drug as most of the other people 179 00:20:38.400 --> 00:20:45.720 who I was with in college were doing, and I started to have several 180 00:20:45.799 --> 00:20:53.400 experiences that were more profound than recreational, until I finally had one that was 181 00:20:55.880 --> 00:21:06.680 extremely deep in the sense that I felt like I was tuning into who I 182 00:21:06.920 --> 00:21:15.559 was deep down and that I couldn't have described it in these words at the 183 00:21:15.599 --> 00:21:21.440 time, but I can't understand that I was, you know, touching into 184 00:21:21.680 --> 00:21:27.960 a universal soul that goes beyond just the physical body, beyond the mind and 185 00:21:29.079 --> 00:21:37.480 thoughts and into an expanded awareness. I wasn't sort of cosmically conscious, where 186 00:21:37.960 --> 00:21:44.359 you know, I was out in the galaxies and not here. But nonetheless, 187 00:21:44.359 --> 00:21:48.400 even though I was here and I was with people, I felt as 188 00:21:48.440 --> 00:21:53.839 if I were a part of those infinite realms. And it brought with it 189 00:21:56.480 --> 00:22:03.279 enormous satisfaction, sense of well being, feeling of peace, just an abiding 190 00:22:03.319 --> 00:22:15.079 sense of happiness and joy. And this was such an amazing experience I have 191 00:22:15.200 --> 00:22:22.240 not forgotten any of it to this day. That it really set me almost 192 00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:29.240 about face in the middle of my college years to try to experience more of 193 00:22:29.279 --> 00:22:37.440 that. I knew that while a hallucinogenic drug may have given me a glimpse 194 00:22:37.599 --> 00:22:44.160 of it that hallucinogenic drugs were not going to keep me going in the direction 195 00:22:44.240 --> 00:22:48.759 I wanted to go. And so that's when I started diving into the teachings 196 00:22:48.799 --> 00:22:56.119 of Barmhannta Yogananda. And that's the connection to the Yugas, because the Yugas 197 00:22:56.200 --> 00:23:07.799 is I explain them in the book The units Ore ex does teacher street Teshwar. 198 00:23:07.640 --> 00:23:17.839 So that hallucinogenic experience sent me on this path of more inner spiritual exploration, 199 00:23:18.559 --> 00:23:22.319 and that eventually led me to live in a spiritual community called Ananda here 200 00:23:22.319 --> 00:23:33.359 in northern California. But nonetheless, I never lost my interest in and respect 201 00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:41.240 for science as a method of discovery and as a method of verification of discoveries. 202 00:23:41.400 --> 00:23:48.200 So what began to happen for me not long after this sort of about 203 00:23:48.240 --> 00:23:56.839 face was that I began seeing two sides of everything. I began seeing the 204 00:23:56.880 --> 00:24:07.480 inner spiritual side, and I began to see how that connected to the world 205 00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:12.720 is described by science, and the world particularly is described by physics that is 206 00:24:12.759 --> 00:24:21.960 a little bit bigger in its picture than say biology or geology that focus on 207 00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:26.759 the kind of the hearing. Now in this world, physics goes well beyond, 208 00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:30.920 and in fact, the more I got into it, the more fascinating 209 00:24:30.960 --> 00:24:38.440 it was for me to realize that many physicists have a very profound, high 210 00:24:38.480 --> 00:24:45.880 minded, spiritual view of reality, not that they brought with them to physics, 211 00:24:45.880 --> 00:24:51.160 but that physics gave them as they dived into some of these deep, 212 00:24:51.279 --> 00:24:57.000 deep questions about the origin of the universe and the relationship of the human mind 213 00:24:57.240 --> 00:25:06.759 and consciousness to physical reality. So it's been a wonderful kind of pairing for 214 00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:11.640 me, the spiritual side and the scientific side that has been with me all 215 00:25:11.680 --> 00:25:18.519 my life. I want to mention this real quickly that the Ananda group is. 216 00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:22.400 It's in northern California. It's a community. I know them well, 217 00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:27.319 having been the program director for Whole Life Expo here in San Francisco and having 218 00:25:27.440 --> 00:25:36.400 various members of the community here speak and talk about their perspective on reality. 219 00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:41.519 But more importantly, it really feels like this book, The Physics of God 220 00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:49.480 is a chapter out of Shri Yukoswarz The Holy Science in his perspective. Now 221 00:25:49.519 --> 00:25:56.000 it's not entirely from his book, but I want to just read the introduction 222 00:25:56.519 --> 00:26:00.480 to his book. He calls us the purpose of the book. He says, 223 00:26:02.680 --> 00:26:06.440 the purpose of this book is to show as clearly as possible that there 224 00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:11.279 isn't a sensual unity in all religions, that there is no difference in the 225 00:26:11.359 --> 00:26:19.319 truth inculcate inculcutated by the various faiths, that there is but one method by 226 00:26:19.359 --> 00:26:26.079 which the world, both external and internal, has evolved, and that there 227 00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:32.359 is but one God admitted by all scriptures. That's kind of that that the 228 00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:38.880 focal point of his book. And I'm wondering, I really, as far 229 00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:45.400 as I've gotten in your book am enjoying it. Is it the need to 230 00:26:45.440 --> 00:26:51.359 help people understand that our current science, be it quantum physics, physics in 231 00:26:51.440 --> 00:26:57.400 general, unified theory, so forth, is made up of the same components 232 00:26:59.240 --> 00:27:06.279 but just in a different language. Or help me get a sense of what 233 00:27:06.319 --> 00:27:11.759 you're trying to do for the reader of this book, because I think it's 234 00:27:11.759 --> 00:27:17.400 fantastic. Well, I had sort of two audiences in mind when I wrote 235 00:27:17.440 --> 00:27:26.160 the book. One audience that I know from family members, friends that are 236 00:27:26.599 --> 00:27:33.640 sort of outside of my spiritual circle, particularly work colleagues. I started a 237 00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:40.279 business that took me all over the United States and into Europe doing web design 238 00:27:40.359 --> 00:27:45.279 projects, for large corporations, and so I ran into many, many people, 239 00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:49.559 and as you do, you know, you go out to dinner with 240 00:27:49.599 --> 00:27:53.839 them, you talk about their family and friends, and every now and again 241 00:27:55.119 --> 00:27:59.960 the conversations come back to, you know, why are we all here, 242 00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:04.839 what are we doing? What's our purpose? And I found again and again 243 00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:12.960 that there were people who would almost literally say this word for word, I'd 244 00:28:14.039 --> 00:28:17.880 like to be able to believe in God, but I can't see how it 245 00:28:17.920 --> 00:28:22.279 fits in with science. And I thought, you know, as somebody who's 246 00:28:23.440 --> 00:28:30.000 made that connection and bridged that seeming divide between the two, I always thought 247 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:37.599 it was such a shame that people would see science as a barrier to being 248 00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:48.559 able to experience a very fulfilling, life affirming, life expanding connection to spirit 249 00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:53.519 that is just a natural one that all of us can have, and yet 250 00:28:53.559 --> 00:28:56.799 they back away from it because of that. So that was one audience. 251 00:28:56.839 --> 00:29:03.720 The other audience was that I found a lot of people who embrace spiritual teachings 252 00:29:06.799 --> 00:29:11.319 aren't put off by science, but they would really like to know how they 253 00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:17.920 go together, almost on a level of fascination and inspiration. You know, 254 00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:23.039 how can these two seemingly different world actually be united? And as I say 255 00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:29.720 in the in the book, there there can be and only is one reality. 256 00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:34.039 There's not a reality for scientists and a reality for people who are interested 257 00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:37.359 in God in the spiritual path. There's only one reality. So there has 258 00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:45.279 to be ways that these come together. And so that was really the purpose 259 00:29:45.640 --> 00:29:49.000 of the book was to reach those two different groups. Yeah, I love 260 00:29:49.039 --> 00:29:56.119 it. What is your definition of religious science? What would you say when 261 00:29:56.519 --> 00:30:00.960 you say, and you talk about this in the book with getting into the 262 00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:07.000 Holy Science, what is your take on this? Well, it's a really 263 00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:11.880 excellent question because my starting point with most people who think that there is a 264 00:30:12.039 --> 00:30:22.039 conflict between science and religion is to start by trying to clarify what religion is 265 00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:33.359 and isn't and what science is and isn't. So starting with science, a 266 00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:42.480 lot of people mistakenly think that there is a official, agreed upon view of 267 00:30:42.559 --> 00:30:53.839 reality that has been proven out without any doubts, that describes all of the 268 00:30:53.880 --> 00:31:02.839 reality that we live in from a scientific point of view as matter and energy 269 00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:07.240 interacting and that's that's it. They've sown it all up. They have this 270 00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:15.799 perfectly cohesive picture of reality, and it doesn't include spirit, doesn't include God. 271 00:31:17.559 --> 00:31:22.960 Doesn't include anything subtle, and that's just the way it is. But 272 00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:30.880 that's not actually true. That is the interpretation of what is actually a minority 273 00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:37.839 of scientists, big minority, forty one percent according to Pew, and it 274 00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:41.319 was done in two nine, so I don't know what it is now. 275 00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:48.400 But that strong minority of scientists are the ones who say, this is what 276 00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:53.599 science is, this is what reality is based on science. But the other 277 00:31:55.160 --> 00:32:06.640 sixty percent of scientists understand that there's room for different interpretations of the same discoveries. 278 00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:15.400 So a scientist who has that material bias sees in the latest discovery confirmation 279 00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:22.599 that everything is matter and energy and nothing more, where scientists who have a 280 00:32:22.599 --> 00:32:29.160 broader perspective think, well, that may indicate that that could be the nature 281 00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:31.839 of consciousness, that could be the origin of consciousness, that could be some 282 00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:39.519 clue as to how consciousness fits into this smaller picture of just matter and energy. 283 00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:45.279 So the first thing you have to do if you want to understand the 284 00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:52.359 connection is to understand that one, not all scientists agree on what all those 285 00:32:52.400 --> 00:33:02.240 discoveries collectively mean, and two that everyone's take on them is an interpretation of 286 00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:09.000 the discovery, and they can be very convincing interpretations, but some of them 287 00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:17.160 are labored, like their interpretation of where consciousness comes from. You know, 288 00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:24.480 they're just absolutely convinced that consciousness is born in the physical brain as a product 289 00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:34.640 of neurons interacting with neurons setting up electrical fields or perhaps more subtle, quantum 290 00:33:34.759 --> 00:33:43.839 energy fields, and that that interaction creates consciousness and everything we experience, our 291 00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:49.079 thoughts, our feelings, our perceptions, our minds, I view, you 292 00:33:49.119 --> 00:33:52.960 know, just seeing reality as one seamless hole, that all these are the 293 00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:59.960 product of that. But if you dig into it much at all, you'll 294 00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:08.199 find that there's absolutely no proof that consciousness originates from the brain. There's speculation, 295 00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:15.679 there's a commitment to it by materialists, but there's very little proof. 296 00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:24.079 So that is an opening, if you will, to think about, well, 297 00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:30.400 what other realities could there be that could be creating this consciousness? And 298 00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:37.599 that opens the door for further discovery and kind of reduces this tenacious grip that 299 00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:43.079 science seems to have on many people's thoughts and minds. But the issue is, 300 00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:45.519 and you bring this up at the very beginning of your book, is 301 00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:55.880 that the scientific material materialism, which is the foundation for the scientific method is 302 00:34:57.039 --> 00:35:02.159 what we live with right now, and it's so completely limiting that we are 303 00:35:04.639 --> 00:35:13.920 losing tons of other data, especially in the study of consciousness and other exotic 304 00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:20.480 disciplines, so that we're bogged down with this. How do we get out 305 00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:23.039 of this? How do we move is it? Is it the discovery method 306 00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:28.000 that we that we move out of it? Because if you use the site 307 00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:31.119 and you mentioned this in your book, you give a great example, and 308 00:35:31.159 --> 00:35:37.119 you just mentioned it. When we're studying, when they're studying consciousness, they 309 00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:40.559 have nowhere to go, they have nowhere to start and order to finish, 310 00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:46.599 and you can't you can't reproduce it, you know, you can't reproduce an 311 00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:52.599 experiment to quantify it. So talk a little bit about our current state of 312 00:35:53.320 --> 00:36:02.079 scientific materialism. Well, scientific materialism is that the philosophical term that gives a 313 00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:09.559 broader sort of meaning to the thought that people are materialists. It means that 314 00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:17.280 they're committed to the view that matter and energy and their interactions between matter and 315 00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:24.000 energy are the only reality there is and can be, and therefore everything else 316 00:36:24.599 --> 00:36:28.519 has to be able to be explained by it. If that's all there is, 317 00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:32.159 then it must be able to explain consciousness. It must be able to 318 00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:36.880 explain the origin of life, it must be able to explain the origin of 319 00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:44.320 the universe. But it doesn't. Now, if you have a conversation with 320 00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:50.079 somebody who's committed to scientific materialism, they'll just say, well, it's just 321 00:36:50.119 --> 00:36:53.400 a matter of time. They'll figure it out. They're smart people, they'll 322 00:36:53.400 --> 00:37:01.559 make the right discoveries and then you'll see. But that isn't really an inevitable 323 00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:07.480 product of the scientific method, because the scientific method has been used with the 324 00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:19.800 same degree of exactitude to discover adomilies in that materialist point of view as it 325 00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:25.000 has been to create the convictions that they have that it's material. Let me 326 00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:31.679 give you one example. There were a series of experiments done. It's been 327 00:37:31.719 --> 00:37:42.199 a while now, but I'm not exactly sure when where two subjects were asked 328 00:37:42.199 --> 00:37:47.159 to meditate together and they meditated together for I don't know, fifteen to twenty 329 00:37:47.199 --> 00:37:52.559 minutes something like that, and that at the end of their meditation they agreed 330 00:37:52.599 --> 00:38:00.840 to stay connected. Now that sort of would drive a material crazy because the 331 00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:06.000 materialist will say, well, what does that mean that they agreed to stay 332 00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:10.760 connected? I mean, that has no meaning. But the next step in 333 00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:19.639 The experiment was to put the two subjects well apart from each other in different 334 00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:24.119 rooms where they could neither see nor hear each other, and they were in 335 00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:31.000 Faraday cages. Fara day cages block out electromagnetic frequencies, so it would be 336 00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:37.920 impossible for them to have fraudulently brought in you know, little tiny radios or 337 00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:45.400 microphones are in some way been communicating with each other. And then they were 338 00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:57.400 put into identical EEGs electro and cephalographs measuring you know, activations in brain waves, 339 00:38:57.440 --> 00:39:01.639 the basis of a lie detector test, and one of the subjects, 340 00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:12.079 but not both, was hit with a bright flash of light and their reading 341 00:39:12.079 --> 00:39:16.239 on their EEG spiked. As you would imagine, it was very startling. 342 00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:20.280 They didn't know was coming and blam out, you know, you get this 343 00:39:21.079 --> 00:39:27.440 blast of light in your eyes. Well fifty percent of the time, the 344 00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:31.880 other subject in the other cage, in the other room also had a spike 345 00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:43.480 at exactly the same instant. So how do you explain that materially? And 346 00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:49.599 there are many other experiments, but my initial point there was to say they 347 00:39:49.639 --> 00:39:57.960 applied the scientific method, because it's just a methodical means of discovering things and 348 00:39:58.039 --> 00:40:05.000 so you can use that to uncover more and more about consciousness and thoughts and 349 00:40:05.320 --> 00:40:08.079 emotions, or you can use it to keep learning more and more about the 350 00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:15.159 atom. It will work in any direction. The problem that you're pointing out 351 00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:23.920 is that the materialists simply aren't interested in discoveries like the one I just described, 352 00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:30.800 And if you bring it up with them, we'll bring up the tried 353 00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:37.760 and true must have been so sloppy science, or it must have been fraud. 354 00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:45.719 And that's just you know, without seeing how the experiment was conducted, 355 00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:51.039 what kind of controls were put in to make sure it worked, and how 356 00:40:51.039 --> 00:40:57.199 many subjects it experienced it. But if they gave it a real look, 357 00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:04.360 they would have had to admit this was rigorous science. This was the scientific 358 00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:09.239 method applied appropriately. But they're simply not interested. And probably if you got 359 00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:15.599 them in private and they'd had a quick one or two, they just laugh 360 00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:17.960 at it and say, what a colossal waste of time. There just are 361 00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:25.719 no answers outside of matter and energy. So it's a belief system that they 362 00:41:27.199 --> 00:41:30.760 operate in. But if you were to tell them it was a belief system, 363 00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:34.920 they'd be outraged, say, we don't work off a belief we test 364 00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:42.079 rigorously. The fact is they won't test everything rigorously. They only test in 365 00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:46.800 the arena that they believe to be the realm of reality. I think this 366 00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:55.519 is a universal problem right now because it's a limited paradigm. And if we 367 00:41:55.599 --> 00:42:02.000 look at the previous epoch, which I leave is in the ruins of the 368 00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:08.440 Great Pyramid and the number of temples and other anomalies that our current science cannot 369 00:42:08.519 --> 00:42:15.280 explain. And this goes into archaeology, egyptological research, and things like that. 370 00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:22.039 They can't move beyond the scientific method to look at this earlier epoch that 371 00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:30.880 likely had a different science, likely had a different level of consciousness. And 372 00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:35.639 I think we're at the cusp of understanding them. But unfortunately, the bearers 373 00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:40.199 of the of the creed, of the crime, of the crest of science 374 00:42:40.280 --> 00:42:51.559 belongs to these limited scientific groups. And it's just really frustrating. What do 375 00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:54.280 you say to that. Well, I think you put your finger on it. 376 00:42:54.280 --> 00:43:01.239 It's just that they are in the driver's seat of science right now and 377 00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:07.400 they really don't want to go try to investigate things in realms. One they 378 00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:16.719 don't believe in, but two they're afraid. I think that it's a morass, 379 00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:23.559 that they will find themselves unable to prove or disprove things, and that 380 00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:29.760 they'll be uh, they'll be considered the guys that they used to laugh at, 381 00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:34.920 right, they'll be that they'll be considered the paranormal types out there with 382 00:43:36.679 --> 00:43:39.880 funny antennas and tinfoil hats. You know that they don't want to be seen 383 00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:45.800 as the crackpot scientists because they have, you know, careers that they value 384 00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:52.760 and they want the respect of their peers. So it's a very hard group 385 00:43:52.519 --> 00:44:00.239 to expect to change because there's a lot of commitment there. But luckily there 386 00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:07.039 are scientists and there is funding, although very little, that allows for these 387 00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:15.280 more open minded scientists to make discoveries like the one I mentioned, and to 388 00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:19.639 take a look at things in the past as you were describing, and ask 389 00:44:20.239 --> 00:44:25.360 harder questions about you know, how on Earth is it possible that these people 390 00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:31.440 could have built a building the Great Pyramid that is so massive, was so 391 00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:39.960 beautiful, completely clad in white limestone, and remain the largest building in the 392 00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:46.360 world for thirty eight hundred years. Now, you just explain that as a 393 00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:53.480 bunch of people coming really stumbling out of the Neolithic, the New Stone age 394 00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:58.039 and suddenly said, well, let's you know, we've got nothing better to 395 00:44:58.079 --> 00:45:07.519 do. Let's build this perfect, enormous building so that when our beloved leader 396 00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:12.159 dies we can stick him in there. You know, there's no prior history 397 00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:15.840 of doing that kind of thing with leaders. It doesn't last. You know, 398 00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:21.440 there really is no evidence that any of the pyramids were used as burial 399 00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:29.800 tombs. But scientists, again there's the same division. There are the the 400 00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:35.199 sort of mainstream archaeologists who just don't want to imagine, don't even want to 401 00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:38.480 consider that there were more subtle things going on that they might not understand, 402 00:45:40.039 --> 00:45:50.360 And they're the open minded archaeologists who you know, see real possibilities for higher 403 00:45:50.400 --> 00:46:00.159 consciousness to have been the real explanation for these marvels of the past. We're 404 00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:04.760 going to take a short commercial break to allow our sponsors to identify themselves, 405 00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:09.800 and we will be right back with my guest today, Joseph Selby, discussing 406 00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:16.360 his new book, The Physics of God. We'll be right back, Okay. 407 00:46:51.199 --> 00:46:53.960 My guest today is author Joseph Selby, who has written a new book 408 00:46:54.039 --> 00:47:00.320 called The Physics of God, which looks into the Yugas but also how today's 409 00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:07.559 science is complimentary to what we understand as religion, but more to the point, 410 00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:17.840 how to understand the earlier epics and their achievements as human beings. You 411 00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:22.960 do talk about this in your The Yugos book. The other thing is, 412 00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:25.199 and I have to remember this, we're not in Cali Yuga right now. 413 00:47:25.199 --> 00:47:34.239 We're in Dwarpara Yuga, and this is still a challenging period that we're in. 414 00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:39.760 So we we talk a little bit about that because that that has to 415 00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:44.800 do with some of the some of the thinking that we're currently dealing with. 416 00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:52.519 Well, then one of the kind of core things we can learn from the 417 00:47:52.599 --> 00:48:01.920 Yugos is that there is a decending cycle, an ascending cycle. So half 418 00:48:01.960 --> 00:48:07.880 a circle, if you will. Mankind as a whole is going from a 419 00:48:07.960 --> 00:48:15.000 high point of consciousness and then gradually descending for twelve thousand years to a low 420 00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:21.559 point of consciousness, and then from that low point there's an ascending arc that 421 00:48:21.639 --> 00:48:25.599 goes back to that high level of consciousness that also takes twelve thousand years. 422 00:48:27.440 --> 00:48:37.840 So according to Sriac Tashwar, the cycle that we're in now hit its naydier 423 00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:45.719 in five hundred AD, so we have been on the upswing for fifteen hundred 424 00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:54.719 years approximately, And if you look at just those fifteen hundred years, you 425 00:48:54.760 --> 00:49:05.559 can see that mankind has wrap evolved, civilizations have improved, We've seen the 426 00:49:05.599 --> 00:49:10.920 Renaissance, We've seen similar things in India and China. And then come the 427 00:49:12.039 --> 00:49:17.360 nineteen hundreds, just this radical transformation took place in the world where we started 428 00:49:17.440 --> 00:49:25.800 using electricity, we started understanding that matter is energy. We started exploiting that 429 00:49:25.960 --> 00:49:37.320 knowledge with the invention of various ways in which we could communicate more rapidly and 430 00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:42.559 more at greater distances. Until now, just as you and I are doing, 431 00:49:43.159 --> 00:49:47.679 we're talking in real time hundreds maybe thousands of miles apart, and we 432 00:49:47.719 --> 00:49:52.920 think nothing of it that But in nineteen hundred this would have just been a 433 00:49:52.960 --> 00:50:00.960 fantasy. So that is just one thread of howvialization has exploded. Well, 434 00:50:00.960 --> 00:50:07.199 sriak Tashwar says, not only have we been on the upswing that in nineteen 435 00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:14.360 hundred, mankind as a whole would go through a significant change of consciousness that 436 00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:21.960 would allow them to appreciate that matter was really energy. And we appreciate that 437 00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:25.760 on a level of the laws of physics. But we also see it sort 438 00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:34.119 of being put to work. We exploit matter to become energy in nuclear power 439 00:50:34.159 --> 00:50:42.559 generation, et cetera. So I think that this, you know, kind 440 00:50:42.599 --> 00:50:53.000 of known dissent and then ascent gives us a glimpse of where we might be 441 00:50:53.119 --> 00:51:00.800 going because we can look into the past and ask where they'd in. So 442 00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:06.519 we're at the very beginning of ascending. What part are you? Which is 443 00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:10.119 often called the energy age. So if we look back in time and we 444 00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:17.679 ask ourselves what things were like at the end of decending to what part are 445 00:51:17.719 --> 00:51:23.480 yga? That can give us a little bit of an indicator of what we're 446 00:51:23.519 --> 00:51:27.840 going through now and where we might go in the future. So one of 447 00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:32.920 the indicators is that at the end of twa para yuga, which ended at 448 00:51:32.840 --> 00:51:40.840 about seven hundred BC two hundred three hundred years prior to that, so say 449 00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:47.519 one thousand BC to seven hundred BC, we saw what's known as the Bronze 450 00:51:47.599 --> 00:51:57.079 Age collapse. So the Bronze Age collapse saw the end of literally hundreds of 451 00:51:58.440 --> 00:52:01.639 you might think of them as you know, tie any civilization. They all 452 00:52:01.679 --> 00:52:09.559 had their own languages, they all had their own territory, and they disappeared. 453 00:52:09.599 --> 00:52:15.079 They were either conquered or they died out until by the end of the 454 00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:24.960 Bronze Age wasn't much left. So in our period of time from roughly seventeen 455 00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:32.840 hundred to where we are now, we have seen the rapid change in nation 456 00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:37.920 states, just one after the other. You know, we saw the rise 457 00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:44.760 of the Soviet Union, the collapse of the Soviet Union. We've seen the 458 00:52:44.920 --> 00:52:51.320 rise of colonialism and the collapse of colonialism. We've seen all these changes to 459 00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:59.599 nation states. Now we're improving rather than devolving, so we're likely to come 460 00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:07.639 out with some degree of equable consolidation, if not soon, at least maybe 461 00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:15.880 in the next hundred years, this rapid change among you know, national units, 462 00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:22.800 political units is likely to slow down and even stop. The other thing 463 00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:28.320 that I think we can see for our time now, and is a very 464 00:53:28.360 --> 00:53:35.960 welcome thing, is that, in addition to our age being the energy age, 465 00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:44.800 because of our knowledge and understanding of physical laws that reveal energy to be 466 00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:52.920 the underpinning of a matter, we also have changed in consciousness to where we 467 00:53:53.159 --> 00:54:02.480 can directly and personally perceive subtle energy. Now you've probably done this, You've 468 00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:07.239 probably let people in doing this where you read, you know, you read 469 00:54:07.280 --> 00:54:14.079 your hands together. Then you close your eyes and you can gradually move your 470 00:54:14.119 --> 00:54:21.159 palms just almost touching and pulling them apart, and you actually start to feel 471 00:54:21.159 --> 00:54:24.159 something. It's like there's a presence there that gets compressed when you're pulling your 472 00:54:24.199 --> 00:54:30.360 hands together and gets a little stretched out when you pull them apart. I 473 00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:37.199 believe that's subtle energy that you're feeling. I also believe that in the yoga 474 00:54:37.199 --> 00:54:42.519 before this one, the Collie yoga, if you had asked people to do 475 00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:49.960 that, they wouldn't have felt anything. They would have been unable to be 476 00:54:50.039 --> 00:54:55.559 aware of subtle energy. And that is the real gift of Dwapara you get 477 00:54:55.559 --> 00:55:01.000 to us, is that we as individuals are more aware of our subtle energy. 478 00:55:01.719 --> 00:55:09.400 And this is the main reason why we're seeing things like alternative healing that 479 00:55:09.559 --> 00:55:19.199 involves you know, acupuncture, awakening chi and in our meridians, and chiropractic 480 00:55:19.239 --> 00:55:22.719 which does a very similar sort of thing by manipulating the spine and other parts 481 00:55:22.719 --> 00:55:30.519 of the body. But we also see people meditating because you can feel and 482 00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:39.079 focus your own subtle energy into higher centers in the body and gain by it 483 00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:49.480 and enjoy it. If we look to the past in Dwapara yuga. All 484 00:55:49.519 --> 00:55:55.360 of this existed then, and in fact today we're borrowing many of the forms 485 00:55:57.519 --> 00:56:02.119 that were in use in this And this is interesting that you bring this up 486 00:56:02.199 --> 00:56:09.639 because I learned meditation when I was a teenager from Maharishi mish Yogi, and 487 00:56:09.719 --> 00:56:15.559 I couldn't I could not have done any other type of yoga. He hybrid 488 00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:20.760 tied the whole thing for twenty minute, twice a day program rather than the 489 00:56:20.880 --> 00:56:28.960 traditional many hours or sometimes days, right and so, and I don't know 490 00:56:29.000 --> 00:56:34.199 how many millions of people turned on to that, but this form of meditation 491 00:56:34.639 --> 00:56:38.960 was very beneficial for a young person whose attention span is about you know this 492 00:56:39.280 --> 00:56:45.159 short, very short, right and and so there's a subtle current. And 493 00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:51.360 I wonder about that you're feeling. You're talking about this now as people are 494 00:56:51.400 --> 00:56:57.119 meditating? What this what what our world is beginning to look like? With 495 00:56:57.280 --> 00:57:02.239 all these meditators online? You know? What is that beginning to look like? 496 00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:08.719 What do you see as an observer? Well, if the past is 497 00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:14.840 any indicator, this will become more and more of the normal way in which 498 00:57:15.800 --> 00:57:22.679 everyone practiced their their spirituality, that their spirituality will be based on direct experience 499 00:57:23.400 --> 00:57:36.599 rather than solely on belief, and that medicine will be a complimented more and 500 00:57:36.639 --> 00:57:42.119 more by people learning to work with that subtle energy to improve their health. 501 00:57:43.119 --> 00:57:49.039 And that I think by the time we get into the heart of to a 502 00:57:49.159 --> 00:57:52.840 part of Yuga, which you know, could be another hundreds of years, 503 00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:57.960 a thousand years from now, those things like it was in the past, 504 00:57:58.440 --> 00:58:07.960 like it was in with additional Chinese medicine, with the various philosophies of China 505 00:58:07.039 --> 00:58:14.320 that supported a meditative, interior sort of approach to spirituality, echoed in India, 506 00:58:14.400 --> 00:58:20.679 echoed in Egypt like it was then, we will see it in our 507 00:58:21.239 --> 00:58:29.760 flapara in the future, where the predominant way in which people live is with 508 00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:37.480 and through attainment to more subtle realities within ourselves real quickly, How did he 509 00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:44.719 or how did the Yugos develop? I mean, Yukoshwar was a Vedic astrologer, 510 00:58:47.199 --> 00:58:51.719 and that's a science in itself, although we don't here in the West, 511 00:58:51.719 --> 00:58:55.760 do not recognize it as a science. But how would he be able 512 00:58:55.800 --> 00:59:02.559 to extract or how was the data for these ages of man extracted? Was 513 00:59:02.599 --> 00:59:13.400 it archaeological or astrologically focused data or were they tapping into the Akashik records and 514 00:59:13.480 --> 00:59:21.440 finding these various periods of man's development. Well, Spirit Teshwar indeed was an 515 00:59:21.440 --> 00:59:30.280 astrologer, and there are elements of his knowledge of astrology in his description of 516 00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:40.039 the yugas, but he also attributes the core concept to having been in the 517 00:59:40.960 --> 00:59:52.480 ancient Vedic scriptures, and they're described not only conceptually, but various ages are 518 00:59:52.480 --> 00:59:59.559 given their names, and the lengths of those ages are also specified. So 519 00:59:59.599 --> 01:00:07.480 spiritt Ar took that, and then I think he sort of calibrated where we 520 01:00:07.000 --> 01:00:15.440 are in that cycle from his astronomical and astrological knowledge. Okay, so he 521 01:00:15.519 --> 01:00:20.840 tied it all in on a scientific method real quickly. Then I want to 522 01:00:20.840 --> 01:00:30.760 move on to quantum science. But when he's working on these yogas, is 523 01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:36.119 he looking for corresponding data to confirm these time periods? So, in other 524 01:00:36.119 --> 01:00:39.519 words, maybe there's some writing from a person who was alive, But in 525 01:00:39.559 --> 01:00:44.960 the periods that we've passed that are tens of thousands of years in the past. 526 01:00:45.719 --> 01:00:49.960 Does he look at a temple and align it with data? How can 527 01:00:50.000 --> 01:01:00.119 he correspond these periods of time in some form of scientific method? Well, 528 01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:05.320 I wish he had, But as far as I know, and I would 529 01:01:05.320 --> 01:01:10.199 love to find out I'm wrong. And there's some secret tone as of yet 530 01:01:10.280 --> 01:01:16.519 undiscovered in his belongings where he, you know, makes that effort to connect 531 01:01:16.639 --> 01:01:25.519 the specific things with different parts of the Yugas. But what he mostly concentrated 532 01:01:25.559 --> 01:01:30.400 on was the immediate future. And he was writing from the end of the 533 01:01:30.440 --> 01:01:37.960 eighteen hundreds and the immediate past of like two hundred years before him, right, 534 01:01:38.239 --> 01:01:42.400 And he used that as a, you know, a good illustration of 535 01:01:42.440 --> 01:01:46.400 how mankind had passed out of the material age of color yoga and into the 536 01:01:46.599 --> 01:01:52.559 energy age. And there's a lot of fascinating information in there, but it's 537 01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:57.599 very short. I don't know if you've seen that. I've kind of scanned 538 01:01:57.679 --> 01:02:01.639 through the Holy Science. Yeah, it's just the first sixteen pages. It's 539 01:02:01.679 --> 01:02:06.599 not at all. It's not very much at all. So no, he 540 01:02:06.639 --> 01:02:13.559 didn't really do that. But on the other hand, he was a highly 541 01:02:13.639 --> 01:02:21.440 intuitive spiritual master. And you get the feeling that I get the feeling having 542 01:02:21.679 --> 01:02:25.519 you know, read his other works and read all the things that yoga on 543 01:02:25.559 --> 01:02:32.239 To said about three of Teshwar was that he was a man of cosmic vision. 544 01:02:32.920 --> 01:02:38.000 So this would have been something that I'm sure, he intuitively felt was 545 01:02:38.159 --> 01:02:44.679 true, even if he didn't get into the specifics of kind of anchoring it 546 01:02:44.800 --> 01:02:50.440 to actual data. What do you real, quickly, Joseph, I mean, 547 01:02:51.119 --> 01:02:54.920 do you believe there's an a Kashik field, a Kashakh records that has 548 01:02:55.000 --> 01:03:00.880 all the previous president and future data? Yes, it's hard to believe, 549 01:03:01.039 --> 01:03:05.000 isn't it. But it's insane. I've had a lot of people on the 550 01:03:05.039 --> 01:03:07.760 program talk about it. I'm still trying to wrap my mind around it because 551 01:03:07.800 --> 01:03:14.280 I don't have an understanding of what the key is to get in and access 552 01:03:14.360 --> 01:03:20.960 this day this day. So I keep having people like yourself on to tell 553 01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:23.239 me how, Tell me how, and maybe it'll come up in a meditation. 554 01:03:23.400 --> 01:03:27.519 Aha, you know what I mean? Well, I think one way 555 01:03:27.559 --> 01:03:38.280 to describe it is that our memories in this life are also in the acacia 556 01:03:38.519 --> 01:03:45.119 layer. Science would have it that our memories are started the brain, but 557 01:03:45.480 --> 01:03:53.039 it's another theory that has absolutely no basis in any proven scientific fact. Memories 558 01:03:53.280 --> 01:04:01.519 if you think of them as similar to computer memories, and think of the 559 01:04:01.599 --> 01:04:10.440 brain as a computer one movie, the amount of storage it would take to 560 01:04:10.599 --> 01:04:17.079 store one movie would fill our whole brain. But yeah, so we're already 561 01:04:17.960 --> 01:04:30.920 making records in the Acashak records in this lifetime. So people who can access 562 01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:39.679 more of the Akashaak record generally do so because they're able to either inter temporarily 563 01:04:40.159 --> 01:04:48.119 into a state of consciousness where they're not aligned with their body and this sort 564 01:04:48.119 --> 01:04:56.119 of smaller version of ourselves, or like great masters who are always not aligned 565 01:04:56.159 --> 01:05:04.199 with that one small aspect of themselves and breaks them free from just accessing their 566 01:05:04.199 --> 01:05:12.199 own memories, their own memories of this life. So you're you're already accessing 567 01:05:12.360 --> 01:05:15.880 the Nukashiak records. I just don't know it. You just don't know it. 568 01:05:15.199 --> 01:05:20.800 You know, it's funny real quickly. It said that Einstein, Tesla, 569 01:05:20.920 --> 01:05:29.199 some of the great minds of the Western culture got their greatest ideas either 570 01:05:29.320 --> 01:05:35.519 in a light sleep or in dreams or whatever. But you have to wonder 571 01:05:35.519 --> 01:05:41.840 if maybe they were tapping into the Akashik records and downloading, because we know 572 01:05:42.000 --> 01:05:48.920 Tesla downloaded very advanced machines that he could not conceive of. But there's one 573 01:05:48.960 --> 01:05:55.800 example, which is the Warrencliffe Tower in New York, where he was trying 574 01:05:55.840 --> 01:06:02.679 to make energy free bright enhancing the atmosphphere with particles that could drive a plane, 575 01:06:03.039 --> 01:06:08.119 a boat, a car, or whatever. I think he was way 576 01:06:08.119 --> 01:06:14.440 ahead of himself by perhaps a couple hundred years. And obviously free energy was 577 01:06:14.480 --> 01:06:17.800 not what Westinghouse or whoever was backing them at that time was wanting to do. 578 01:06:17.960 --> 01:06:25.920 So he lost his fund. Yeah, well, he he was quite 579 01:06:25.960 --> 01:06:33.519 a character. His His benefactor there that was giving him the money to build 580 01:06:33.519 --> 01:06:42.079 that enormous tower actually thought he was doing something else entirely. Tesla just told 581 01:06:42.159 --> 01:06:45.199 him that that's what he was doing, when in fact he was trying to 582 01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:55.199 broadcast electricity. So it was in my mind he deserved to lose that funding. 583 01:06:55.280 --> 01:06:59.400 He was he was, I didn't know that he was leaving his financers. 584 01:06:59.679 --> 01:07:01.760 That that is not a good sign, not a good thing, not 585 01:07:01.800 --> 01:07:13.079 anything. But I think that I would draw a distinction that the way in 586 01:07:13.119 --> 01:07:19.639 which I understand the acotic record is that it has to do with memories of 587 01:07:20.480 --> 01:07:29.760 lifetimes, where I think what Einstein and Tesla and other geniuses are tapping into 588 01:07:30.039 --> 01:07:34.360 our eternal truths. Now, this may be a bit of a quibble if 589 01:07:34.440 --> 01:07:40.360 you don't believe either one's possible, but I think there is a significant difference 590 01:07:41.000 --> 01:07:54.079 that we all have the intuitive capability to tap into really deep truths, no 591 01:07:54.159 --> 01:08:01.760 matter our education, no matter our reason. It's not something that we can 592 01:08:01.800 --> 01:08:10.719 do lightly. Takes a lot of concentration and a lot of determination. But 593 01:08:12.159 --> 01:08:16.960 to use the phrase in a different way, the truth is out there. 594 01:08:20.760 --> 01:08:27.880 The truth is not something that has been created by civilized man. The truth 595 01:08:27.960 --> 01:08:34.800 is out there and is always accessful, fascinating. Let's talk about a positive 596 01:08:34.840 --> 01:08:40.680 that you write about in your book. It's quantum physics, more specifically quantum 597 01:08:40.720 --> 01:08:47.359 mechanics, which is the intelligent observer. The breakthroughs in this field are wonderful. 598 01:08:47.479 --> 01:08:55.279 It's much more flexible. Scientists can go outside their fields and start working 599 01:08:55.319 --> 01:09:00.840 in things like remote viewing, and in fact, I've even heard about a 600 01:09:00.920 --> 01:09:06.159 quantum computer that's in a theoretical stage, but apparently they're maybe they're getting close 601 01:09:06.199 --> 01:09:11.680 to actually producing it. What is the beauty of this form of science, 602 01:09:13.439 --> 01:09:25.960 Well, in many ways, what quantum physics contributed most centrally to the understanding 603 01:09:26.039 --> 01:09:34.720 of all physicists, not just quantum physicists, is that there is a reality 604 01:09:36.039 --> 01:09:44.039 that and it's described in many ways, and its relationship is described in many 605 01:09:44.039 --> 01:09:55.920 ways. But that reality is called non locality. And I might be unusual 606 01:09:56.079 --> 01:10:01.479 in picking non locality as the you know, prin simple contribution that quantum physics 607 01:10:01.560 --> 01:10:10.319 gave to our world. But prior to this notion that there could be a 608 01:10:11.319 --> 01:10:15.159 reality, to hold off for a minute as to what that reality is. 609 01:10:16.119 --> 01:10:21.399 But the notion that there could be a reality separate from the physical universe, 610 01:10:23.920 --> 01:10:30.439 or beyond the physical universe, or in which the physical universe existed, is 611 01:10:30.479 --> 01:10:42.640 a huge step beyond relativity and classical physics. So non locality is a very 612 01:10:43.319 --> 01:10:46.880 awkward word, and when you first hear it, it has no intuitive meaning 613 01:10:46.920 --> 01:10:53.560 to you. It's unlikely to have any intuitive meaning to you because what it 614 01:10:53.920 --> 01:11:03.680 was meant to describe was a reality where local behavior stopped happening and non local 615 01:11:03.720 --> 01:11:10.720 behavior started happening. So local behavior is all what we think of as classic 616 01:11:11.159 --> 01:11:15.159 physical laws, the way the law of gravity works, the lay of the 617 01:11:15.159 --> 01:11:20.960 way the laws of electromagnetic magnetism work, that with which we're very comfortable with 618 01:11:21.039 --> 01:11:28.640 which we have done amazing things. We've transformed the world modern society. It 619 01:11:28.840 --> 01:11:39.079 rests on uh the abilities to exploit electromagne magnetism and matter and gravity the way 620 01:11:39.079 --> 01:11:45.760 it has but quiet the physics says, yes, that's all real, but 621 01:11:46.399 --> 01:11:51.279 there's this other reality that doesn't behave the same way. And this is where 622 01:11:51.279 --> 01:11:59.720 you get what's known as quantum weirdness, where you have the observer paradox, 623 01:12:00.399 --> 01:12:09.000 which says matter and energy, uh are two sides of the same coin. 624 01:12:10.159 --> 01:12:15.920 So what we think of is matter an atom can also behave like energy, 625 01:12:17.000 --> 01:12:21.840 And what we think of as energy, like light, can also behave like 626 01:12:21.960 --> 01:12:32.239 matter. This matter energy duality is weird, right, because we don't we 627 01:12:32.319 --> 01:12:38.039 don't see our toaster suddenly turn into a you know, a waveform. We 628 01:12:38.119 --> 01:12:44.119 don't we don't see this behavior in our everyday experience. But in these very 629 01:12:44.199 --> 01:12:49.720 very controlled experiments, experiments where they're looking at you know, one photon or 630 01:12:49.760 --> 01:12:54.960 one atom or uh, you know, maybe a thousand photons and a thousand 631 01:12:55.000 --> 01:13:01.560 atoms, but still infinitesimally tiny, uh. Subjects of the experiments, they 632 01:13:01.600 --> 01:13:10.359 begin to see this behavior, and they notice that things only behave as matter 633 01:13:11.640 --> 01:13:18.840 when there is an intelligent observer or an intelligent observation has taken place, and 634 01:13:18.960 --> 01:13:27.960 that otherwise they behave everything behaves as energy, and that when it behaves as 635 01:13:28.079 --> 01:13:35.159 energy, it is also non local. And when it behaves as matter or 636 01:13:35.199 --> 01:13:45.520 particles. It's local. So these are mind bending distinctions made but for the 637 01:13:45.560 --> 01:13:49.319 purposes of my book, and I'm by no means, you know, the 638 01:13:49.399 --> 01:13:55.159 first one or only one to have these kind of insights about non locality and 639 01:13:55.199 --> 01:14:00.359 locality. But for the purpose of my book, it's a great start point 640 01:14:00.399 --> 01:14:04.199 to understand how there can be other subtle realms, how there can be an 641 01:14:04.199 --> 01:14:09.319 akashic realm, how there can be a pure energy realm, how there can 642 01:14:09.359 --> 01:14:14.800 be heavens, how there can be someplace for us to go between lives or 643 01:14:14.880 --> 01:14:23.039 at the end of a life, and non locality and later sort of iterations 644 01:14:23.159 --> 01:14:29.359 of quantum physics that include string theory, and as part of string theory, 645 01:14:29.520 --> 01:14:36.199 m theory posit that this other non local realm is full of energy, it's 646 01:14:36.239 --> 01:14:45.199 brimming with energy, and it's essentially infinitely larger than our physical universe, and 647 01:14:45.239 --> 01:14:54.239 that an unlimited number of physical universes could exist in it, like bubbles in 648 01:14:54.279 --> 01:15:04.399 an ocean. So this takes us, you know, miles parsecs light years 649 01:15:04.439 --> 01:15:14.760 from being confined to this physical universe alone as being the only reality which was 650 01:15:14.800 --> 01:15:20.359 big enough, right, I mean, this physical universe is mind bendingly large 651 01:15:20.399 --> 01:15:27.199 and for it to be only one relatively tiny part of a much larger reality. 652 01:15:28.680 --> 01:15:35.439 I found really open people up to the notion that there could be much 653 01:15:35.479 --> 01:15:45.319 greater realities, that God's existence could be in this kind of dimensionless infinity that 654 01:15:45.840 --> 01:15:51.479 even gives rise to non locality as large and as extent as it is, 655 01:15:53.359 --> 01:15:59.760 which then in turn gives rise to the physical universe. The books called The 656 01:16:00.000 --> 01:16:04.960 Physics of God. My guest today has been Joseph Selby. This is not 657 01:16:05.000 --> 01:16:08.199 going to be easy to answer, but I'm going to give it to you 658 01:16:08.479 --> 01:16:13.239 just straight and you can spit it out as briefly as you want. How 659 01:16:13.359 --> 01:16:16.920 do we know with quantum physics? You were explaining how we create reality. 660 01:16:17.279 --> 01:16:26.439 Basically, we're constantly creating our own environment, and the pluses and the minuses. 661 01:16:27.920 --> 01:16:31.840 The conventional science cannot explain that. Quantum physics begins to explain that, 662 01:16:31.960 --> 01:16:41.760 doesn't it? Yes, And conventional physics is also called classical physics, and 663 01:16:42.000 --> 01:16:48.560 it works perfectly well within the physical universe. But as soon as you posit 664 01:16:49.159 --> 01:16:57.479 as quantum physicists have that in order for the physical universe to behave the way 665 01:16:57.880 --> 01:17:03.960 it does, needs to be this other non local reality, and as soon 666 01:17:03.960 --> 01:17:10.640 as you accept that there has to be this other realm, then it opens 667 01:17:10.720 --> 01:17:16.119 us up to speculate, what are these laws, how does this extra region, 668 01:17:16.720 --> 01:17:23.159 this extra large reality beyond our own actually function? And that has been 669 01:17:25.199 --> 01:17:31.319 really the realm primarily of string theorists, an m theorists, where quantum physicists 670 01:17:31.359 --> 01:17:44.000 tend to be focused on still understanding how the energies that form an atom work 671 01:17:44.079 --> 01:17:47.640 together to form the atom, and that that's where we get things like the 672 01:17:47.720 --> 01:17:54.880 Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland, you know, where they're smashing atoms to bits, 673 01:17:54.960 --> 01:18:02.600 so to speak. But all of these new frontiers and physics tend to 674 01:18:02.680 --> 01:18:11.039 take us farther and farther beyond just the material universe because they have to. 675 01:18:11.600 --> 01:18:18.279 They keep looking for the ultimate cause for why our universe behaves the way it 676 01:18:18.319 --> 01:18:24.159 does, and they find new causes, but not ultimate causes, and then 677 01:18:24.199 --> 01:18:28.039 they keep they keep going, you know, looking for what is that ultimate 678 01:18:28.119 --> 01:18:31.319 cause? And I believe the ultimate cause they're going to find is consciousness and 679 01:18:31.439 --> 01:18:35.760 God. And there's a lot of physicists out there who also believe that. 680 01:18:36.760 --> 01:18:45.039 So it's it's it's exciting stuff, it's broadening stuff, it's mind bending stuff. 681 01:18:45.800 --> 01:18:54.399 But I think it's just part of the process of finding and understanding the 682 01:18:54.439 --> 01:19:00.520 true nature of reality, that is that is far greater than just this universe. 683 01:19:00.479 --> 01:19:06.239 I love that. Before I we leave you, I wanted to ask 684 01:19:06.279 --> 01:19:15.680 you about Michael Krimo's book Forbidden Archaeology and his discovery of a modern Homo sapien 685 01:19:15.720 --> 01:19:21.960 sapien found in some deep recesses of a coal mine, that it was a 686 01:19:23.000 --> 01:19:28.159 modern Homo sapien sapien that dated over a million years. Would we use the 687 01:19:28.239 --> 01:19:33.199 yugas to validate something like that, a modern human that has lived over a 688 01:19:33.239 --> 01:19:40.359 million years, because of course the Yugas cycled endlessly, right or do they 689 01:19:40.439 --> 01:19:45.720 just do? Yeah, there's no limit. And in fact, Yogananda rather 690 01:19:45.920 --> 01:19:56.439 mind blowingly said that civilized man, he used the term civilized man has existed 691 01:19:56.479 --> 01:20:03.760 on Earth for over fifty million years. Fifty million, fifty million modern Homo 692 01:20:03.800 --> 01:20:09.319 sape us, well, not necessarily modern, well but by mosathiens, but 693 01:20:09.520 --> 01:20:13.880 civilized man self aware. Is that what you just find I think you would 694 01:20:13.920 --> 01:20:16.520 have to be to have civilization to be I'm just wondering what your definition of 695 01:20:16.600 --> 01:20:23.520 civil civilized man is though, Well, it's not Hunters and gatherers. I 696 01:20:23.560 --> 01:20:27.239 think it would have to be beyond hunters and gathers. Okay, that's okay. 697 01:20:27.760 --> 01:20:32.159 Yeah. So would that would that encompass a language? Yeah, that 698 01:20:32.199 --> 01:20:35.600 would suggest, you know, many of the things that not all of the 699 01:20:35.640 --> 01:20:40.600 things that we think of as civilization, you know, groups of people working 700 01:20:40.640 --> 01:20:46.720 together language, right, not necessarily a particular level of technology. But because 701 01:20:46.720 --> 01:20:51.079 of the Yugas, and he was saying this in the context of the Yugas, 702 01:20:53.600 --> 01:21:00.319 he knew that things like technology would wax and wayne, but the notion 703 01:21:00.399 --> 01:21:06.720 that there was civilized man would not necessarily have to laxingly hmm, fascinating. 704 01:21:08.119 --> 01:21:13.159 I want to mention that Joseph will be at Sea Pack this weekend. That's 705 01:21:13.640 --> 01:21:17.880 the consciousness and a precision of the Equinox conference. It will be in the 706 01:21:18.600 --> 01:21:25.319 Palm Desert, but you also can see it as a streaming media format. 707 01:21:25.760 --> 01:21:30.119 It's a SEAPAC, c p a K dot com and you can pay to 708 01:21:30.159 --> 01:21:36.920 see him. Other noted people will be Graham Hancock, Hugh Newman, Mark, 709 01:21:38.000 --> 01:21:41.960 our own Marco Vigato will be there and they have a great, great 710 01:21:42.000 --> 01:21:47.960 lineup and we'll find refresh our memory. Joseph, what day are you speaking 711 01:21:48.039 --> 01:21:51.880 on the on the program, I'll be Saturday morning, I'll be the kickoff 712 01:21:51.920 --> 01:22:00.680 speaker, so I think okay, and just uh one qualification there. Although 713 01:22:02.079 --> 01:22:06.039 everything will be streaming, the only exception to that will be Graham Hancock's talk. 714 01:22:06.600 --> 01:22:10.720 Oh thank you for that. Thanks for reminding me. How can people 715 01:22:10.760 --> 01:22:14.439 get ahold of you? Give us the website and your contact, your social 716 01:22:14.479 --> 01:22:20.239 media contexts. So my website is very easy. It's Joseph Selby dot com. 717 01:22:20.680 --> 01:22:29.880 So my spelling of Selby is somewhat unusual. You may have seen it 718 01:22:30.119 --> 01:22:35.800 as excuse me, s E l B Y, but my spelling is s 719 01:22:35.800 --> 01:22:41.920 E l B I E. So Joseph Selby s E l B I E 720 01:22:42.319 --> 01:22:45.239 dot com. I have all kinds of articles there. You can learn about 721 01:22:45.239 --> 01:22:50.640 my other books. You can have access to a couple of courses that I've 722 01:22:50.680 --> 01:22:58.760 done, one on the Yugas and one on the Physics of God. And 723 01:23:00.239 --> 01:23:04.279 that's a starting point for everything. My books pretty much are all in audible 724 01:23:04.680 --> 01:23:11.199 kindle and print format and where wherever books are found, so to speak. 725 01:23:11.359 --> 01:23:15.000 And I want to put a praise for the audible version of this new book, 726 01:23:15.039 --> 01:23:20.279 The Physics of God, very well narrated, very well narrated and very 727 01:23:20.319 --> 01:23:26.800 detailed a book, but the narration really makes it flow quite nicely. So 728 01:23:27.520 --> 01:23:30.479 I'm not sure if you had a role in that or not, Joseph, 729 01:23:30.560 --> 01:23:34.880 but it's fun to listen to. I'm glad it came out well, great, 730 01:23:35.119 --> 01:23:40.119 well listen. Fantastic my success on this book, and let's have you 731 01:23:40.159 --> 01:23:44.119 back a lot sooner than nine years. Huh, it'll be my pleasure. 732 01:23:48.319 --> 01:23:54.079 That's obvious that I am fascinated by the Yugas and everything to do with them. 733 01:23:54.359 --> 01:24:00.439 I think that when we look at these Yogis who actually leave civilization and 734 01:24:00.479 --> 01:24:08.600 going in the mountains and they contemplate for months, years and then they come 735 01:24:08.640 --> 01:24:15.239 back, we're looking at humans that have tapped into the deep recesses of the 736 01:24:15.319 --> 01:24:25.039 brain and through meditative practices, are actually reaching high levels of function. And 737 01:24:25.119 --> 01:24:30.439 you know, you read about these these being able to control their breathing and 738 01:24:30.479 --> 01:24:35.279 their heart rate. I even read somewhere that some of these guys can stop 739 01:24:35.319 --> 01:24:43.640 their hearts or slow them down so that the heartbeats barely noticeable. And that 740 01:24:43.920 --> 01:24:49.319 takes a tremendous amount of practice to do something like that. But even more 741 01:24:49.399 --> 01:24:57.359 so when we hear about this book The Holy Science by Shri Yukuswar. Here 742 01:24:57.439 --> 01:25:02.960 is somebody who, through contemplating Medica, is actually accessing the higher realms. 743 01:25:03.039 --> 01:25:09.039 And when you look at I mean, for me, the Yugas explained the 744 01:25:09.039 --> 01:25:15.680 previous civilizations, the previous epochs, and gets a little a bit of a 745 01:25:15.800 --> 01:25:19.880 challenge when you start looking at dates that go back tens of thousands of years 746 01:25:20.319 --> 01:25:28.239 and you have to wonder what the hominins the humans on earth are about. 747 01:25:28.439 --> 01:25:32.479 Well, if you read the details of the Yugas, higher are the lighter 748 01:25:32.680 --> 01:25:41.720 vibrations or the periods where humans are almost like demigods. We're talking about being 749 01:25:41.760 --> 01:25:48.600 able to comprehend what's going on around the world without being there by locating, 750 01:25:48.640 --> 01:25:53.399 which means that you're in one place and your body can be another place. 751 01:25:53.720 --> 01:26:00.359 Tapping into universal mind. In this case, we now know that that is 752 01:26:00.840 --> 01:26:03.359 used to be what is universal mind? Well, we now know that that's 753 01:26:03.399 --> 01:26:09.760 the Akashik records. We talked about Tesla Einstein, you know, and these 754 01:26:10.279 --> 01:26:13.720 these great geniuses are able to tap into it without a great deal of problem. 755 01:26:13.960 --> 01:26:16.640 They're not calling it the Kashik records. They're calling it something else, 756 01:26:17.359 --> 01:26:23.079 perhaps in their dreams, perhaps in meditation. Perhaps in perhaps different levels of 757 01:26:23.119 --> 01:26:27.439 consciousness, we don't know, But for me, it's becoming very obvious that 758 01:26:27.520 --> 01:26:32.000 if you can quiet your brain through some meditative practice, you are beginning to 759 01:26:32.199 --> 01:26:36.359 access the higher realms of the brain. And that's the other thing, you 760 01:26:36.399 --> 01:26:44.239 know. I talked about meditating, learning how to do transidental meditation when I 761 01:26:44.359 --> 01:26:50.479 was in my teens. I think I was eighteen, and using this technique 762 01:26:50.640 --> 01:26:57.520 not only to quiet my brain, but lo and behold to access these higher 763 01:26:57.520 --> 01:27:04.880 realms. Not that I'm getting a noticeable download, but when you're meditating, 764 01:27:05.079 --> 01:27:12.640 you are quieting your brain. You're quieting the noise outside and around you, 765 01:27:13.479 --> 01:27:18.920 and without really knowing what's going on, because when you meditate, you're just 766 01:27:19.199 --> 01:27:25.800 for me. There's a there's a mantra and the word that I was given 767 01:27:25.920 --> 01:27:33.119 it's a sound is specific for me and my physiology and it and it quiets 768 01:27:33.159 --> 01:27:43.000 my brain, reduces the clutter the noise, and allows me for just twenty 769 01:27:43.039 --> 01:27:49.279 minutes of the morning twenty minutes at night to to connect. So there's there's 770 01:27:49.319 --> 01:27:55.159 a ton of literature on meditation and its benefits. I don't think we know 771 01:27:55.279 --> 01:28:00.760 quite how powerful it is, but the earlier epochs were less technologically focused, 772 01:28:01.399 --> 01:28:10.960 more individually focused. And this is where we're getting amazing consciousness, likely connecting 773 01:28:11.039 --> 01:28:15.520 with other intelligences, you know, and here we are at this point. 774 01:28:15.640 --> 01:28:21.960 Could because we're in a technological age. The other intelligences are flying around in 775 01:28:23.159 --> 01:28:29.720 UAPs. So how do we connect? You know? How do we connect? 776 01:28:29.840 --> 01:28:33.960 The other thing is, if you've been listening to Destiny for the next 777 01:28:34.000 --> 01:28:42.279 three weeks, we're doing connecting. What we're doing the an Alien Experience ending 778 01:28:42.319 --> 01:28:46.239 with Whitley Strieber the first week of November. If you haven't caught that, 779 01:28:47.079 --> 01:28:51.319 check it out. Because these are humans, Earth humans connecting with off world 780 01:28:51.439 --> 01:28:57.399 beings. Some of the early experiences in the seventies and eighties nineteen seventies, 781 01:28:57.479 --> 01:29:02.920 nineteen eighties aren't so great. But I think if you can connect with them 782 01:29:02.960 --> 01:29:09.239 before you physically meet with them, that might be an advantage. Or these 783 01:29:09.279 --> 01:29:15.159 are highly evolved beings thousands tens of thousands of years in advance of us. 784 01:29:15.880 --> 01:29:25.640 If they're using only telepathy to communicate, when you are developing yourself through meditative 785 01:29:25.680 --> 01:29:30.840 practices, this is a way to connect with those intelligences. It's funny because 786 01:29:30.840 --> 01:29:36.840 I don't think in all the years i've studied the ufology experience, that I've 787 01:29:36.880 --> 01:29:45.039 heard of guru connecting. I do remember someone asking the Dali Lama when he 788 01:29:45.079 --> 01:29:49.800 was doing a talk in Tibet if he had had communications or he was in 789 01:29:49.880 --> 01:30:00.640 communications with alien consciousness, and he answered almost cryptically and said some thing like 790 01:30:00.319 --> 01:30:04.800 I am aware of their presence. These these Lamas meditate from a very young 791 01:30:04.840 --> 01:30:12.199 age, and so they are very attuned to consciousness. And when he says 792 01:30:12.279 --> 01:30:17.920 that, and I can't remember what the guy what what the questionnaire if he 793 01:30:17.960 --> 01:30:21.439 had followed up or not, but it was something like, yeah, I'm 794 01:30:21.479 --> 01:30:27.600 aware. The Dahalai Lama says, I'm aware of other consciousnesses from other planet 795 01:30:27.800 --> 01:30:30.039 other planets. But he didn't go into a lot of detail, which is 796 01:30:30.239 --> 01:30:33.359 like why not, you know, why not tell us more about it. 797 01:30:33.520 --> 01:30:35.479 I think it was kind of he felt like it was kind of a waste 798 01:30:35.479 --> 01:30:43.760 of his time to answer it with any more depth. But if they're aware, 799 01:30:43.800 --> 01:30:45.800 if these Lamas are aware, you know, it'd be nice to know 800 01:30:45.920 --> 01:30:50.000 are they positive? Are they negative? How do we look out for them? 801 01:30:50.520 --> 01:30:56.119 Because you know, again, when you're dealing with a being from another 802 01:30:56.560 --> 01:31:00.960 planetary system, that's ten thousand, very very advanced of us. It would 803 01:31:01.000 --> 01:31:08.640 be nice to know what their intentions are. If you follow the Destiny program, 804 01:31:08.960 --> 01:31:15.479 Deborah Jordan Cobble was interacting with an advanced intelligence that basically treated her like 805 01:31:15.600 --> 01:31:21.680 an animal. Almost. I wasn't happy with that, and you know, 806 01:31:23.199 --> 01:31:30.000 not actually asking her permission. Of course, there's another issue that's likely a 807 01:31:30.039 --> 01:31:35.600 situation where prior to incarnating in a body, she signed an agreement or she 808 01:31:36.159 --> 01:31:44.119 laid out a script for this lifetime that included an alien encounter where she was 809 01:31:44.800 --> 01:31:49.359 impregnated, delivered a child, and then that child, being a highbred, 810 01:31:50.119 --> 01:31:54.640 had to stay with the aliens because it would not, according to them, 811 01:31:55.239 --> 01:32:00.000 be able to live in her environment or our environment. So anyhow, the 812 01:32:00.640 --> 01:32:04.680 book The Holy Science is something that everyone should get. It's a very small 813 01:32:04.720 --> 01:32:11.920 book, and it's extremely deep, and I think there's bits and pieces. 814 01:32:12.640 --> 01:32:15.119 I'm going to get another copy of it. I can't find my original copy, 815 01:32:15.119 --> 01:32:20.239 but I think it has bits and pieces of data that link us and 816 01:32:20.359 --> 01:32:29.079 provide details from the earlier epochs and how humans evolved. So fascinating topic. 817 01:32:30.319 --> 01:32:34.520 Hey, I want to mention that we're going to be talking about Chinese pyramids 818 01:32:34.680 --> 01:32:41.399 the first week of November. James Wood, who's a research investigator and also 819 01:32:41.439 --> 01:32:45.520 an author, is going to be calling me from Shanghai, and this isn't 820 01:32:45.520 --> 01:32:53.119 a unique opportunity to understand not only the Chinese pyramids, but also how they 821 01:32:53.159 --> 01:32:58.439 are maintained. You know, what they look like, what they have found 822 01:32:58.479 --> 01:33:03.479 in excavations of these pyramids, and some of them are extremely old, likely 823 01:33:03.680 --> 01:33:12.920 to have been created in the earlier epochs. They're not necessarily well known in 824 01:33:13.039 --> 01:33:16.880 terms of when they were built, but there's a few that will learn about 825 01:33:17.000 --> 01:33:25.720 that are quite fascinating as well as not well considered by the locals. They've 826 01:33:25.720 --> 01:33:29.039 been there for so long. They're probably like you know, local mountains, 827 01:33:29.039 --> 01:33:33.079 so some of them are huge. So James Wood, first part of November. 828 01:33:33.920 --> 01:33:39.199 I don't think anyone's talking about Chinese pyramids simply because here in the United 829 01:33:39.239 --> 01:33:44.680 States our relationship with China is not good and it continues to deteriorate. So 830 01:33:44.800 --> 01:33:49.760 whenever we have somebody who has been researching and studying the Chinese pyramids, we 831 01:33:49.760 --> 01:33:54.840 want to get them on the program. So look forward to that. It's 832 01:33:54.880 --> 01:33:59.159 going to air the first Saturday of November, which is November fourth, so 833 01:33:59.279 --> 01:34:06.319 check it out Eramids of China with James Wood. Hey, holidays are coming 834 01:34:06.399 --> 01:34:12.439 up, and that means it's time for gift giving. You know, we 835 01:34:12.560 --> 01:34:17.960 got to think of our loved ones, our kids, our friends, acquaintances. 836 01:34:18.239 --> 01:34:21.920 Everyone gets a gift. 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I want 865 01:36:46.720 --> 01:36:50.600 to think my guest today Joseph Selby, coming to us from northern California. 866 01:36:51.239 --> 01:36:57.560 As always the team of Ruth, Thomas, Mark Foster, and everyone who 867 01:36:57.640 --> 01:37:02.039 makes this thing happen. You guys, fuck you really do. Thank you 868 01:37:02.600 --> 01:37:05.239 all right, take care of be well, and we will talk to you 869 01:37:05.239 --> 01:37:05.760 next time.