Hi, welcome back to give us more. I'm me I'm Megan, and
we are just a bunch of oversharers. We like to overshare with each other,
we truly do. But at this point it's like, is it even
oversharing, It's just it's just sharing. Every time we over share, like
one of us is like, oh, society TMI, and then the other
is like, I don't know the meaning. I like even when I meet
strangers, and you know, when you meet that odd random stranger that gives
you all of those dirty details, I'm like, yes, feed me.
See I do not know the meaning of TMI, Like, open it up,
tell me everything. Permegan is under the weather and she has come here
today to iwerk through. I had some food and had the worst enap of
my life. But I'm still like really hot and like I stop shaking,
thank god, Oh that's good. It's like, what the fuck is wrong
with me? I was eating popcorn, pop popcorn, popcorn earlier, and
you know I need like you grab a handful because you're at home, so
you're eating like a rat. Oh only wait to eat popcorn. Yeah,
So I grabbed a handful and like I'll chuck out of my hand and I
was like, no, please, do you know whoa She's not even exaggerating,
because that is literally how I picture you, reacting, like the popcorn
is shaking out of your hand and you're just going why what is happening with
me? And not about her handshaking, about the fact that all the popcorn
fell out of her hat. I am a slot for popcorn. It is
my favorite food on the face of this planet. Microwave, even the white
cheddar. You know, Megan, no, get yourself together. That's the
illness talking. Microwaved popcorn is elite. It's not as ever cinema popcorn,
but it's up there. Have you ever done the like, really the diabetes
written popcorn where you melt butter separately for your microwave popcorn and then pour it
on. Yeah, because Kyl doesn't like buttered popcorn, like a fucking sociopath
that he is, so we have to get salted. Okay, Okay,
Sorry I was a bit too angry about that. Okay. I love popcorn
in most of its forms. I love toffee popcorn, I love salt popcorn.
I know what I do not love. I do not love sweet popcorn.
You know when they do all the weird random colors that look shitty,
and so I don't hate it. And you say I'm gross for liking white
cheddar. Yes, Megan, because cheesy, cheesy popcorn okay, okay,
but you'll find white cheddar or cheesy popcorn in shops easily. You will not
find sweet popcorn in shops easily, because nobody's eating that shit. You do,
Actually, Meghan, over here in Ireland, not in your shity,
little musty spirit. I live in Erland and everything is so fucking great.
I'm just literally jealous. I just want to go home. I bawled my
eyes out because I saw a TikTok the other day. There's a few Irish
tiktoks in a row. But the TikTok that triggered me was because it was
an old pope and it was raining outside. Wasn't it even like a traditional
old pop. It was like just like the side of a pope that we'd
see in our town and it was raining. But God, So last week
we talked about The Devil Made Me Do It and the actual real life story
behind that movie, and we talked about how awful Lorraine Warrener, the real
ed fictional Ed Warren, can you get it anytime, baby, But real
life Ed Warren, I will call the police, get out of my home.
Also, the real life Lorraine Warren looked like a like absolute wagon of
a thing. I actually do not know what she looks like. Cold on
Oh my shit. Yeah, they're haunted. I feel a presence. Just
ship yourself. That was the nun and whos this is getting so derailed already.
I'm so thrilled. Today's episode is about the amity phil horror. I
know we're not going to talk about that really shit Ryan Reynolds version Ryan Reynolds
in that movie so Fit in any movie is so Fit that movie. I
don't remember the good like I don't remember how I felt about the movie.
I just remember seeing it and being like, it wasn't that bad. He
was nice to look at. I think there's a point where he's topless chopping
wood. Yes there is, yes, yeah, ingrained in my memory.
Yeap ingrained in every buddy's memory, and for good purpose too. So we'll
just jump right on into the real life story behind the Amityville Horror. Ronald
Butch de Fayo Junior was born September twenty sixth nineteen fifty one in Brooklyn,
New York. He was the first of five children to his mother Louise and
his father, Ronald Senior. Ronald Senior was a very successful carriers salesman,
and the family would have been considered like upper middle class at the time.
They were rich, but they weren't like big time rich m h. In
nineteen sixty five, Ronald Senior bought a massive house at one one two Ocean
Avenue in Amityville, New York, near Long Island. The house was five
bedrooms and three bathrooms. It had a swimming pool and a boathouse. I
feel like swimming pools are one of those things that when you buy a house,
you're like, yeah, I'm gonna I'm going to totally use that swimming
pool. And they never used it. Yeah. Yeah, it's like a
bath you know. Yeah. Ronald was reportedly very controlling of Louise and the
children, but he was hardest on Butch. So I'm just gonna call him
Butch from here on it just to save confusion as to like which Ronald I'm
talking about. Butch had a difficult childhood. He was bullied in school for
being overweight, and then his father was like really hard on him. As
he got older, though, he began fighting back against the bullies, and
then he also began fighting back against his father. His parents began to genuinely
get concerned about him, like they were like, oh, no, he
has like issues. He's fighting back, so he obviously has some issues.
No, no, boy had issues. Okay, he did, He definitely
did. So they brought him to see a psychiatrist. But Butch refused to
speak to the chiatrists because he was like, Nah, there's none wrong with
me. I'm cool, I'm fine, I'm gee. So his parents did
the only rational thing to do in that situation, and that was to bribe
him into behaving. I can relate. I do that with Nile. They
would give him money and they even bought him a speed both worth about fourteen
thousand dollars, which today is like big money. Back then it's big money.
Yeah back then, Yeah, we're out. Yeah. And however,
to everyone's shock and horror, it didn't work and he didn't change his behavior.
By the time he was seventeen years old, Butch was addicted to LSD
and heroin. That's crazy for a seventeen year old, Yeah, literally,
Like what the fuck. I feel like you skipped a whole bunch of steps
there and just went straight in for the hardcore drugs. Like have you tried
a cigarette yet? I think? What? What the buck? He was
expelled for violent behavior in school, so you know things are going good for
him. When he turned eighteen years old, he was given a job working
for his grandfather in his car dealership. In his teenage years, he'd began
a massive interest in guns, and he began collecting all different types. That
sounds like a very safe interest for a man like him. I'm so glad
he's nurturing that. He went on a hunting trip with a friend and they
ended up having a disagreement, so Butch threatened to shoot him dead. Yeah
yeah, And then when they got back from the hunting trip, Butch was
like, nah, I never did that. Okay, Butch, no,
it wasn't me. On another occasion, Butch got a gun and he pointed
at his father and like pulled the trigger, and by some miracle, the
gun never went off. But what do you do after that? He just
awkwardly stare at each other be like, okay, I'm going to bed.
Do you just what happens after that also, how embarrassing that it didn't work,
because now your dad's going to have to beat draft. Yeah, like
you tried to shoot the man, so you know. Yeah. Butch began
feeling underappreciated at his job, despite being very well paid by his grandfather for
doing sweet foot all. He felt as though his work was worth more than
what he was getting paid. So Butch decided that he was going to try
an embezzle money from his grandfather's business. He was a stands up guy,
stand up guy. He was trusted to go to the bank one day to
lodge a large number of checks for his grandfather. However, Butch decided that
he was going to hire his friend to rob him, and then the pair
agreed that they'd split the money between them. When Butcher arrived back at the
dealership two hours later and told his grandfather that he was robbed, things went
just a little lol smidgeon downhill. His grandfather naturally called nine point one and
was like, my son was burgled, robbed. Checks are missing. So
the police arrived and they had a lot of questions for Butch, and he
became very irritated with the officers, and he even like attempted to become violent
with them. Oh stop it. They had a lot of questions into regard
in regards to where he was for two hours, like you got robbed,
and then where we are you for two hours? Then for a little coffee
maybe, like what were you doing? Butch began banging on cars and he
refused to cooperate. Police wanted him to come down to the police station to
have a look at MoG's to see if he could see his mugger there and
see if you can see the guy. That's great. So he agreed to
do this, and then at the last minute he threw a tantrum and refused
to go, and he was like, yeah, he's this smarket. Ronald
Senior became very frustrated with Butch because of this, and they got into a
yelling match. He yelled at his son that he had the devil on his
back before he like stormed out of the house. Butch called his father a
fat prick and then threatened to kill him. Sorry, what was this yelling
match? You got the devil on your back, boy? A bit of
fat brick? What is happening? God? I hate you and I will
be the night that I will fall for you. God, Dad, you're
always on my back. Such a preak. You're the devil. This is
where things took a very dramatic turn, an also devastating turn, in the
early hours of November thirteenth, nineteen seventy three, at the age of twenty
three. He was twenty three, butch appeared to have snapped. He had
a rifle hidden in his bedroom. He took it, and he walked into
his parents' room. He watched both his parents sleeping for a few minutes before
shooting them twice in the back. Oh god. He then went into the
room of his brother his two brothers, Mark and John. He watched his
brothers lay there and then he shot them. He then watched them die.
He then went into the room of his sister Don and his sister Alison,
and he shot both of them while they slept. When he had shot Dawn,
he shot her in the head and he essentially, because it was a
rifle, he shot off the left side of her face. Oh my god.
Yeah. Now, the one thing detectives found odd was that her so
like essentially the left side of her face had been blown off. She was
soaked in blood. The bed was soaked in blood like her pillow and everything,
but there was no blood spatter on her headboard. Butch had killed his
entire family in about fifteen minutes, just going from room to room. He
then went for a bath or a shower to freshen up. He got himself
dressed, sure, he put his bloody clothes in a pillowcase, and he
got ready for work. At about six am, he headed into work,
throwing the pillowcase of evidence into a storm drain. He put the gun in
the boat house that he'd used. He then got to work, and he
commented on how weird it was that his dad wasn't in yet. To be
fair, would you not be if you and your dad worked in the same
place, worked in the same place, would you not just go into se
So Butch had a girlfriend at the time, and so I presume that he
sometimes stayed with the girlfriend and sometimes he didn't. And so, like they
would it wouldn't be weird if they didn't come in together. Mm hmm.
He then called the house and then he commented about how it was weird.
Now one picked up the phone. He was like, that's weird, No
one's picking up the phone. He finished work early, at about half one
He went around to his girlfriend's house, and he made sure to mention how
it was weird that he couldn't get ahold of his family, So he asked
if he could use her phone to call the house. He called the house,
and then he commented again about how strange it was no one was picking
up the phone all day. If you dond's so strange, why don't you
just go home? Yeah, that's also very true. He then met some
friends at a pub called Henry's Bear, which was actually quite near his house.
He had a few drinks with his friends, again making sure to mention
about how he could not get a hold of anyone from his family all day
long, and this was so weird and so strange, and his dad never
showed up to work, and what's going on, you know, bazare So
he headed home at around six pm, and then he ran back into the
pub at six thirty pm shouting quote, you've got to help me. I
think my mother and father are shot. But and a group of his friends
all went back to the house to like investigate, to like you know.
His friends were like, we'll bring you back to the house, let's see
what's going on. What do you mean you think like they've been shot,
you know, of course they naturally have questions. When they entered the house,
they found the family dog tied up barking in the kitchen. When they
went up the stairs, they found his parents, who were both forty three
years of age, shot murdered in their bed. Then they found Don who
was only eighteen. Alison was thirteen, Mark was twelve, and John was
nine. Butch's friend called nine one one. The police noticed, like how
to straw Butch was like, They were like, oh, oh, this
per guy has just lost his entire family, and he was like a mess.
M So Butch told police how he believed that this was the work of
a mobster who had held a grudge over the family over an argument that had
happened years previous. So police took Butch down to the police station for protection
because they believed he was in danger, because if this was the work of
a mobster who was out to kill the entire family and he was the sole
survivor, he was the next target of Butcher's story began to change a little
in details here and there, like every time he told it, a detail
will have changed, right, And so police are like, there's no use.
At last ten Bill m the mobster that Butcher had accused, he had
an alibi, and police then obviously connected the dots of who he was and
learned of his fake robbery that happened not too long before the murders. Mm
hmm. The next day, police interrogated Butch for hours because they were like,
no, like, what is going on. Your story is different,
There's things that aren't adding on, adding up, spill the tea. It
felt the fool, and eventually Butcher confessed to the murder of his family.
Quote, once I started, I just couldn't stop. It went so fast.
Yeah, I did, because it only took you fifteen minutes to annihilate
your whole family, didn't it, Butch? Yep. Butcher's trial began on
October fourteenth, nineteen seventy five, and he tried pleading insanity. He claimed
that voices made him kill his family and that it was in self defense.
He killed them before they could kill him because that's what the voices were telling
him. The voices were telling him that his family were going to kill him.
To be fair, it was met and LSD, wasn't it. He
was like addicted to it that point heroin, Yeah, heroin and LSDA heroin,
So like, I don't know, do you get hallucinations and you're on
that shit. Yeah, you definitely would have hallucinations on LSD for sure.
I don't know so much about heroin, but like you probably fucking did hear
voices. But also, you're not insane, You're just a drug addict,
sir. Yeah. His defense team had a psychiatrist testify that Butch was suffering
from psychological issues. However, the prosecute had their own psychiatrist, and he
testified that despite him having many drug problems, he had social personality disorder.
Butch was aware of what he was doing at the time of the murders,
like he knew what he was doing. Butch took the stand to testify,
and it was basically like he'd not like to stand on like it was so
clear that he'd done it, and he took the stand, and that literally
does killed his case because he made comments about how he like basically enjoyed enjoyed
it. Oh oh yeah, he'd like make comments about how like it was
fun, you know, and you're like, no, no, you just
you did it and you're sick. But also you just fucked yourself mith.
Yeah. On November twenty one, nineteen seventy five, Butch was found guilty
on six counts of second degree murder, and on December fourth, nineteen seventy
five, he was sentenced to six consecutive life sentences. The judge only six
guns because that's the only killed six people. Oh yeah, that's right.
Sorry, because I was thinking like he had five siblings, but he was
one of five. He was one of the five. Yeah. The judge
claimed that if the Dafeo murders were quote the most heinous murders committed in Suffolk
County since its founding, I believe it. Mm hmmm, No, it's
going to take quickly. Ledwick police had found that Butch had committed the murders.
Sorry, and we're back. I forgot to say we're back. And
police had found that Butch had committed the murders without help. He didn't use
a silencer, and the coroner confirmed that no one from the family had been
drugged. So this left many questions. Mm hmm. I was thinking this,
Why didn't anybody wake up when the parents were shot? How do you
shoot six members of your family on two different levels of the house. Without
a single person waking up. Mm hmm. Everyone was lying down, face
down with bullet wounds in and around their back, like it was all very
yeah, straightforward. Yes. A common theory is that he killed his parents
and that he was able to gain control of his siblings because they were all
younger than him, and that he just forced them to like stay in their
beds face down until he was like ready to kill them. And also he
did have a rifle, so he had that control, that control. Yeah.
The police chief at the time of the murders, he struggled to believe
that Butch acted alone, and the coroner also believed that there were two or
more killers. However, they all said that the same gun was used in
all six murders. Butch's grandfather hired an ex police officer as a private investigator
to try to figure out who might have helped Butch carry out the murders.
The investigation concluded that there were at least two other people in the house the
knight of the murders, to help Butch control his family and interesting mm hm.
And this investigation also concluded that more than one gun was used. However,
no one was ever accused in helping Butch, and there is no way
to ever actually prove that somebody helped Butch. But obviously police and investigate like
private investigators. They have their theories on who helped them, They have their
suspects, they just can't prove it. Yeah. After his conviction, Butch
changed his story on what happened to the night of the murders. He alleged
that his father was abusive to everyone in the household. His father and his
sister Don got into an argument the night of the murders, and Butch,
Don, and two of his friends all went down to the basement to drink
and smoke take drugs. All the jazz, Oh, all the jazz.
Yeah Yeah. While down there, Butch claimed that John had suggested that they
kill their father to stop the abuse, and at first Butch ignored her and
was like, you know what, a silly idea, Shut the fuck up.
But as the drugs set in, he decided that actually, no,
it was a good idea and that he would help her carry it. The
murders okay, Don, Butch and one of their friends went upstairs with the
rifle and Don shot their parents. Then their friend fled the scene, so
Butch ran after him to bring him back to the house to force him to
help with the cleanup. And when he got back to the house, he
discovered that Don had killed all of their siblings. But then fought Don for
the rifle, and if I remember correctly, he fought her. He ended
up pushing her. She fell became unconscious. He got the rifle and he
decided to shoot her, and he shot her to stop her killing spree.
You need to stop her from killing him. That was it. Well,
it still makes sense if he says his self defense or whatever. Butch said
that Don had shot their mother first. Then their father rose to his feet
from the sound of the gunshot, and Don shot him once he fell to
the bed, and then she shot him a second time to ensure he was
dead. Butch claimed that then their mother was lying on the bed, bleeding
out, dying. She was making noises. You could hear her wheezing and
all of that. So they shot her again to put her out of her
misery. He said, Don's reasoning for killing all of their siblings was to
remove them as possible witnesses in any investigation. Now, Butch is known for
a lie, and he's known for like he literally flip flops on his story
the entire time. Some days like he't on it solely him, other days
him and three of his friends. Another day it's him and the sister.
And now the common one that he uses is that it was the sister,
like that's the one that he kind of generally sticks to. But he does
have different variations, and he's used different variations and like interviews and stuff.
Right, so it's like the fuck yeah, now, I will say to
him. Though Don did have gunpowder residue on her rope, right, Okay,
So it's like, Okay, I wonder is there like any different way
that could have gotten there. One theory is that he like forced her to
kill their father, hmm okay, or that he like forced her to stand
beside him and watch him kill. They're like a load of different things that
they could have, you know. Another version of events he claims is that
the night, the night of the murders, there's a fight. Don gets
angry, she gets the rifle, She goes into their parents' room and she
shoots their father. Their mother Louise woke up and she becomes hysterical, and
that she essentially fights the gun off Dawn and then she began killing her children
one by one from hysteria, and then he fought his mother for the gun
and he shot her in self defense. He said that he originally took response
for the murders out of fear of how his grandfather would react to the news
that his daughter had killed all of her children. What a guy. He's
literally blaming everyone else but himself. Yeah, all these dead people that can't
defend themself, else that he killed conveniently, conveniently, Like, who is
it? Butch? It was someone's been in my room drinking my biss Who
could have been in your room? It was you, Like, someone's been
in my house murdering that family. When I was there, awake on drugs,
I thought of the well, it was fucking one ears fucking disgusting,
yea, Honestly, why are they all staged face down in their bed?
Oh so, if that's the case, why did you go to the pub
and go to work and go to your girlfriends? Why did you like stage
a whole scenario of like, what where is my father? I haven't seen
it, Like, oh my god, I didn't aleast murder him? What?
No, Yeah, it's not adding up here, Butch there's a lot
of like it's one of those things where you're never actually going to know what
really happened, unfortunately, because he has changed his story so much. But
also he definitely done it. It's just like, how did he do it?
And did he actually have help? So the house went up for sale
shortly after Butch was arrested for the murders, and on December eighteenth, nineteen
seventy five, George and Kathen Lutz bought one one two Ocean Avenue. They
bought the house only thirteen months after the murders of the Dafao family, and
they bought it with all of the Dafayo's furniture inside of it. Oh no,
don't like that. Don't like that one bit, including like family portraits.
Oh no, no no. But then at the same time, like,
yeah, who was going to go in? It's called my grandfather.
I don't care who goes in. Why are you keeping the furniture? You're
sick? They paid extra for the furniture. Okay, they paid me keeping
the furniture. But like family portrait, No, somebody died in that house.
Okay, I don't want to sit on the sofa of a murdered woman.
I mean, maybe I don't want to eat dinner. I don't know.
I don't think I would be that. I am not dinner where a
family at their dinner the day that they were all fucking annihilated. True,
yeah, yeah, that is true. Obviously have a family who bought it
new No? Yeah yeah. A family friend of the Lotses suggested that they
contact a priest to have the house blessed before they moved in, and they
did do just that. They had a priest come the day that they were
moving in, and as they were moving their stuff in, the priest went
from room to room, blessing each room. He entered the room where Butch
murdered his younger brothers, and the priest began flucking his holy water around the
room, reciting his prayers, and as he did this, he heard a
loud masculine voice shout, get out. Oh. The priest apparently never told
Kathy and George about this, but he told them not to use the room
as a bedroom, and they listened. So Kathy turned it into her sewing
room, like, you know what, there's a demon in there, but
it's fine as long as you don't sleep in there. You should be good.
You should be good. I blessed it, so just don't sleep in
there should be fun. Yeah. They claimed that their personalities began to change
from the worst, like immediately. They said that the house would smell of
bile and cheap perfume, black stains appearing on the toilets, and nothing would
remove them, not even bleach. That's a really strange manifestation of demons.
That demon shit, yo, will not come off. Have you tried the
pink stuff? And it's drub daddy. That pink stuff looks miracles. I'm
telling you, guess, grub Daddy, that's what you need. You do
need a miracle. It gets it gets worse. They claimed that they saw
slime falling town their walls. No one day. The family said that they
found hundreds of flies in the sewing room in the middle of winter, which
is like not fly season, Thank fucking God Jesus, not for them.
And there's a plague happening in that room. I hate sleep in it.
There's a place a plague upon your house. Kathy claimed that she began experiencing
unseen Hi, baby, come sleep in this room with me. I'm lonely.
Oh how I've missed a woman's touch. George was experiencing constant chills and
he would have to sit beside the fire all day. Men, it's middle
winter. You're chopping wood shirtless. Come on, Rylan Reynolds. Of course
you have to sit aside the fire. I can heat you up if you
want. Okay, just put a fucking shirt on. He also began having
terrible nightmares, and he claimed that he would wake up every night at three
point fifteen am, which is when the mergers allegedly took place. What he
claimed he woke up at three am one night and he saw his wife transform
into an old hag. It was just her birthday, she was turning forty.
She just took her makeup off. Bro, No need to be so
hurtful. Can you imagine if Kyl was like, oh my god, last
night he turned into an old haag. Okay, that's nice. He also
said that the next night she was levitating off the bed and he had to
pull her back down. The family contacted the priest again to perform another blessing,
but he claimed he was still recovering from the first blessing, as he
became extremely ill after visiting the house the first time. They claimed that one
of their daughters hadn't en friend named Jody, who was a pig with red
eyes. A pig with red eyes. Yes. The daughter claimed that sometimes
Jody was as big as a teddy bear, and other times she was bigger
than the house. She claimed that she could see her glowing red eyes in
the middle of the night, and even outside her window in the late night
darkness. Don't like that. I don't like that one bit. Actually,
you can keep that one to yourself if you don't mind. Yeah, I
don't want to hear that. And she said that Jody would also often stand
behind her. Okay, well, if Jody is a pig, how is
she standing? I'm confused. I just have a few questions. Do we
have a hand drawn picture of Joey says now, I'm really interested. I
need to see Jody now. No, I take that back. I don't.
Oh, it's just sucking sexty men. Oh, I was getting excited.
They claimed that whatever was causing whatever this was, whatever supernatural thing that
they're experiencing, was causing physical damage to the house. It pulled doors off
hinges, it was scratching presses, it was breaking windows, It was doing
the whole shebang, got slime running down the walls like Pickelodian holes. Their
dog reportedly was choking on nothing one time. Okay, you know what dogs
do that though, I'm not even being funny. Dogs. Sometimes. There
was a rumor that George was practicing black magic and that's why he wanted to
buy the house because he knew of the murders. And it was like,
hmm hmm, black magic, black magic, work for it. After twenty
eight days, Megan the family packed up their belongings and moved in with Kathy's
parents. This all happened in twenty eight days. You know what the relationship
that Jody and the kid were able to build in twenty eight days is.
It's actually kind of impressive. Magical. Yeah, The Lutz family called Ed
Lorraine Warren to come investigate their horror house. So Ed Lorraine come to the
house and they do a seance and Lorraine is like, oh my fucking god,
the energy in this house is so jack There's nothing I can do for
you. I'm so sorry, You're gonna have to live with it. There's
just too much evil in this house that I just can't expel it. It's
too, evil gets excisaments. Despite Butch being alive, sadly and well serving
his life sentences in prison, Lorraine claimed she could feel his soul in the
hosse. Oh no, girl, the ray Honey, he's still love though.
She's saying, though, that his soul is trapped there and there's a
demon in his physical No, no, no, She's just like, I
can feel presence is like soul, hiss like spirits, like bad vibes.
Yeah. Like she's like, he never said, I don't well to my
knowledge anyway, she wasn't like, oh, there's a demon in him.
She was just like, he's just like left a part of his soul here
because of what he did. Hmm okay, true evil. I can't expel
that, but can we interest you in a book? Deal? They took
photos around the house during the seance, and there is a famous photo from
this which shows a boy with white eyes appearing behind a door. I don't
know if you've ever seen it, Megan, No, I haven't. It's
believed to be a photo of the ghost of either John or Mac Defayo Marc
not Mac. Sorry, I'm googling it. Mm hmmm. I think it's
called the ghost boy photo or something or a demonic I'm Gonnaville ghost boy mm
hmm, oh eh, I hate that photo. I don't like that photo
at all. I feel like it's just a photo of a kid though,
Like I don't like my n no ghost. He does have white eyes though,
yeah, but that it's a black and white photo that could just be
like the flash yeah yeah they had. It wasn't just Aid and Lorrain that
we're there. There was like other people there. Can I just say that
the little boy John was absolutely adorable. I know, Yeah, it's very
sad, it's just so cute. A lot of people do question the authenticity
of this photo because, as I said, they had people there in the
house, like they had people that were working for him and stuff, and
so they took a photo and they're like, oh, yeah, this is
one of the boys that was murdered. And then a lot of people were
like they could just be somebody that works for you that like got accidentally caught
in the photo. Yeah, and like that's why their eyes are white,
because it's like an accident, Like they're not actually like posed for the photo
or anything. They just like they turn in the you know, flashing their
eyes, like the flash like just hit their eyes whatever way they were looking
at the camera. So the Lutz family then decided to write a book about
the experiences and they named it like the Amity phil Horror, but the real
Amaville Horror was the fact that a family got slaughtered. They're not your fake
made up experiences. Literally literally there's so they made this book. It became
like a best selling book. I believe it, like I'd probably read it.
The priest that they named in the book came forward was like, I
never stepped foot in that house. No, oh, my god, embarrassing.
It was like I had a phone call with them, but I never
went to the house. Ooh, that's so embarrassing for them. Yeah.
So this caused a lot of speculation on how true their story is and was.
As I said, the book was a best selling novel. They marketed
is nonfiction. Mm hmmm, honey, you're trying to tell me that slime
went Daniel Walls and you're going to market it is nonfiction. There was a
red eyed pig neve. There's no disputing that, no disputing The book went
on to be adapted into several movies. As we all know that grossed millions.
The house was on the market for an exceedingly long time before well after
this, it was like almost known as a murder house because I'm pretty sure
George Lutts was like trying to say that, like he felt like he could
hear the voice of Butch de Fayo like telling him to kill his family.
He was like, no, I don't want to go my family. Yeah,
that's what they all the movies are kind of based on. It's like
the voice telling the head of the house to kill his family, to kill
his family. It was eventually sold. I think it was sold in twenty
seventeen. Someone eventually bought it. They had to change the address, like
they had to legally change it from one one to Ocean Avenue to like one
o eight Ocean Avenue, And it was to try and stop people from popping
up at the house. God, because like true crime people and like lovers
of the supernatural and like you know, fans of the movies and fans of
the book, like we're coming to the house being like, yeah, yeah,
that's the Amityville Hower House. That's grim though, but then at the
same time we're true podcasts, so like can we really talk. I wouldn't
go to somebody's home though, I know, I know I wouldn't show up
at somebody's home either. If the home was turned into a museum, heck,
yeah I'm there because now it's open to the public commission. Yeah.
But if it's someone's private home, no, that's their home. Feel like
someone come into your house being like, oh, yeah, that's where you
know. No for cose, this is my head. That's where Meghan lives.
Wow, famous podcaster, amazing content writer. She often do that.
But it didn't Like they did change the address, but it didn't stop people
from coming because the house in the movie is essentially how the house looks in
real life. Oh okay, so like it's easy to spot because it's on
the fucking cover of the movie. Butch died on March twelfth, twenty twenty
one, at the age of sixty nine, and from unknown causes. It
was never released what killed him, but God for him, he had to
serve a good chunk of prison life, which is what he deserved. M
I'm pretty sure shame on the lux family for trying to cash in and well
successfully cashing in on a really horrible, horrible crime. Yeah, and I
think that's what the worst thing about this is is that the actual murder of
children and two adults gets completely overshadowed by this like weird fake thing that the
Warrens. And it's like they sejured up, you know, like they've seen
movies and they've seen different things on like hauntings, and they just like took
from it. Yeah, and it's saly one of them like admit that it
was all fake. No, nobody's ever admitted it to being fake. I
don't even know if any of them are alive anymore. I'm pretty sure their
children they just don't want to talk about it. Yeah, of course.
Well either way, if it was true or if it was fag, you
wouldn't want to talk about it. No, it's traumatic either way. It's
traumatic either way because your parents used you to like try create this like best
selling novel. This happened to us, This is real life. No,
it wasn't real life. Yeah, Like they placed you in the middle of
all of it, even if it was real. They brought you to a
house that had horrific things happen in it, and Kathy and George knew what
they were moving into. And we're like, yeah, like we'll get famous
off this. Yeah, twenty eight days is not really a long time.
So that being said, if it was true, I wouldn't also be like,
well, why did they wait so long to leave? If they did
wait any longer, yes, and no, I would be like, but
then you see in saying that, like you don't have the money to move
out of these houses, do you know what I mean? Yeah, Like
I'm pretty sure they bought the house for like half of what it was worth
just because like the family died in it, and then they obviously lived there
for a month, essentially created this story, and then sold it for millions
and then the house went up in value because that's the famous house. Yeah,
I don't know if that was my house and I died in it and
people are profiting off of it, Like I'd be haunting this shit out of
that house, you know, I do. I do. Think It's like
like you're never going to know, like that's the you know, like you're
never going to know what really happened the night the whole like the Dafaos were
murdered, and then you're never really going to know what the lots actually experienced.
MM. But it's just like for because it's like, if you did
that just for money, you're sick. Yeah, Like a fucking family died
and you're trying to like profit off it by saying that they're all haunting you.
You didn't even wait a few years, you know. Yeah, like
you just literally went straight in. Yeah. And then on top of that,
then it's also sick for the Warrens to also try cash in on it.
Yeah, that's the other thing. Like the Warrens, if we're correct
and what we're saying, they did pollude with this family to be like either
they were like, oh, yeah, your house is totally haunted. Let's
we need to tell the world, or they literally sat in and we're like,
okay, what can we make out of this? Yeah, like hey,
if you call us and tell us all about these experiences, then we
can like make it a bigger deal and then it'll be worth more. Like
they did a two part like a TV special thing. I presume it's on
like that public public channels. Yeah, but they like sat down and I'm
basically for like for two hours or some shit, sat down and like talked
about like what they experienced at the Amityville House. Yeah, you're like you're
just greedy but fucking died, Like I know, like we're sitting here making
a podcast on it, but like we're sitting making a podcast on it,
telling the information of what happened, not being like And then I got lightheaded
and tired. And that was definitely the Dafaos haunting me because I'm researching their
case. Imagine like what, I'm sorry, excuse me. And then I
had some unseen touches. And then there was slime on my wall. And
then there's these mysterious stains on my toilet that was not literally just sounds like
you have a child. And then there was like merker on my wall.
Don't know where it came from, like pushing Anna out of the frame,
and now Anna is seeing an imaginary friend. Yeah, and like kids don't
make stuff up, you know, never never. That's all I got for
you today, guys. I hope you really liked it. Next week,
Megan's gonna tell us a story because it's my birfect. So I'm taking it
off. I'm not well. No, I probably still research book. I'll
like, you know, kill Yeah, I won't be like I gotta finish
this. Yeah, and you deserve to chill, you've like, don't like
four in a row. Yeah, but to be fair, the last one,
we're supernatural. I know people actually died, but also they were supernatural
and I got to bash on the real life wirens. So that's always fun.
That's always a plus. Well, I had fun. Guess what happened
to me to other day when I was in a shop Okay, I'll never
guess, you get Yeah, I was walking minding my business in one of
these aisles and somebody walked by and like burged into me, and I like
fell into the shelf and I scraped my arm and it was bleeding and now
it's a scap. I hope they have. I hope they have the week
that they deserve. Yeah, they didn't even stop, didn't even say sorry
or anything. Freaking rude. Yeah, super rude. Anyway, Sorry,
It's just I could feel it, So that's okay. I needed to share
that story. Then I burned the same rim on the oven later on in
the day. I break my arm earlier on there on the oven taking stuff
out of the oven and work the oven is like like five degrees. So
I hope you enjoyed this week's episode. If you have and you have already
done, so check out some of our other stuff. Last week, as
I said, we talked about The Devil Made Me Do It, which is
interesting because again it's about the Warrens. And then the week before that,
I talked about Jack the Ripper. That was a two parter that was fun
because I enjoyed the like really really old cases. They're fun. They're like
fun to research, yeah, which I know sense fad, but it's like
it's like old timey. Yeah, yeah, I get it. And if
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