WEBVTT 1 00:00:06.080 --> 00:00:11.000 Hi, welcome back to give us more. I'm me I'm Megan, and 2 00:00:11.039 --> 00:00:15.480 we are just a bunch of oversharers. We like to overshare with each other, 3 00:00:15.800 --> 00:00:18.239 we truly do. But at this point it's like, is it even 4 00:00:18.359 --> 00:00:23.399 oversharing, It's just it's just sharing. Every time we over share, like 5 00:00:23.600 --> 00:00:25.960 one of us is like, oh, society TMI, and then the other 6 00:00:26.079 --> 00:00:31.559 is like, I don't know the meaning. I like even when I meet 7 00:00:31.559 --> 00:00:36.880 strangers, and you know, when you meet that odd random stranger that gives 8 00:00:36.920 --> 00:00:41.399 you all of those dirty details, I'm like, yes, feed me. 9 00:00:42.039 --> 00:00:45.719 See I do not know the meaning of TMI, Like, open it up, 10 00:00:46.960 --> 00:00:53.479 tell me everything. Permegan is under the weather and she has come here 11 00:00:53.520 --> 00:00:59.439 today to iwerk through. I had some food and had the worst enap of 12 00:00:59.439 --> 00:01:03.880 my life. But I'm still like really hot and like I stop shaking, 13 00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:07.280 thank god, Oh that's good. It's like, what the fuck is wrong 14 00:01:07.280 --> 00:01:12.040 with me? I was eating popcorn, pop popcorn, popcorn earlier, and 15 00:01:12.079 --> 00:01:15.280 you know I need like you grab a handful because you're at home, so 16 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:23.599 you're eating like a rat. Oh only wait to eat popcorn. Yeah, 17 00:01:23.040 --> 00:01:26.760 So I grabbed a handful and like I'll chuck out of my hand and I 18 00:01:26.840 --> 00:01:33.719 was like, no, please, do you know whoa She's not even exaggerating, 19 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:38.200 because that is literally how I picture you, reacting, like the popcorn 20 00:01:38.280 --> 00:01:42.760 is shaking out of your hand and you're just going why what is happening with 21 00:01:42.920 --> 00:01:49.200 me? And not about her handshaking, about the fact that all the popcorn 22 00:01:49.280 --> 00:01:53.920 fell out of her hat. I am a slot for popcorn. It is 23 00:01:53.959 --> 00:01:59.280 my favorite food on the face of this planet. Microwave, even the white 24 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:05.959 cheddar. You know, Megan, no, get yourself together. That's the 25 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:15.960 illness talking. Microwaved popcorn is elite. It's not as ever cinema popcorn, 26 00:02:16.159 --> 00:02:23.639 but it's up there. Have you ever done the like, really the diabetes 27 00:02:23.719 --> 00:02:28.719 written popcorn where you melt butter separately for your microwave popcorn and then pour it 28 00:02:28.759 --> 00:02:32.199 on. Yeah, because Kyl doesn't like buttered popcorn, like a fucking sociopath 29 00:02:32.319 --> 00:02:38.919 that he is, so we have to get salted. Okay, Okay, 30 00:02:39.159 --> 00:02:45.680 Sorry I was a bit too angry about that. Okay. I love popcorn 31 00:02:46.159 --> 00:02:49.599 in most of its forms. I love toffee popcorn, I love salt popcorn. 32 00:02:49.639 --> 00:02:53.680 I know what I do not love. I do not love sweet popcorn. 33 00:02:53.719 --> 00:02:55.840 You know when they do all the weird random colors that look shitty, 34 00:02:55.919 --> 00:03:05.159 and so I don't hate it. And you say I'm gross for liking white 35 00:03:05.240 --> 00:03:10.599 cheddar. Yes, Megan, because cheesy, cheesy popcorn okay, okay, 36 00:03:10.719 --> 00:03:15.759 but you'll find white cheddar or cheesy popcorn in shops easily. You will not 37 00:03:15.840 --> 00:03:20.759 find sweet popcorn in shops easily, because nobody's eating that shit. You do, 38 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:23.039 Actually, Meghan, over here in Ireland, not in your shity, 39 00:03:23.039 --> 00:03:28.319 little musty spirit. I live in Erland and everything is so fucking great. 40 00:03:30.159 --> 00:03:38.319 I'm just literally jealous. I just want to go home. I bawled my 41 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:43.879 eyes out because I saw a TikTok the other day. There's a few Irish 42 00:03:43.879 --> 00:03:47.240 tiktoks in a row. But the TikTok that triggered me was because it was 43 00:03:47.280 --> 00:03:52.960 an old pope and it was raining outside. Wasn't it even like a traditional 44 00:03:53.319 --> 00:03:55.759 old pop. It was like just like the side of a pope that we'd 45 00:03:55.759 --> 00:04:03.159 see in our town and it was raining. But God, So last week 46 00:04:03.360 --> 00:04:09.879 we talked about The Devil Made Me Do It and the actual real life story 47 00:04:09.960 --> 00:04:15.279 behind that movie, and we talked about how awful Lorraine Warrener, the real 48 00:04:15.480 --> 00:04:25.279 ed fictional Ed Warren, can you get it anytime, baby, But real 49 00:04:25.319 --> 00:04:30.959 life Ed Warren, I will call the police, get out of my home. 50 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:36.920 Also, the real life Lorraine Warren looked like a like absolute wagon of 51 00:04:36.959 --> 00:04:41.560 a thing. I actually do not know what she looks like. Cold on 52 00:04:42.199 --> 00:05:03.000 Oh my shit. Yeah, they're haunted. I feel a presence. Just 53 00:05:03.079 --> 00:05:15.519 ship yourself. That was the nun and whos this is getting so derailed already. 54 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:21.920 I'm so thrilled. Today's episode is about the amity phil horror. I 55 00:05:23.040 --> 00:05:28.519 know we're not going to talk about that really shit Ryan Reynolds version Ryan Reynolds 56 00:05:28.519 --> 00:05:39.720 in that movie so Fit in any movie is so Fit that movie. I 57 00:05:39.759 --> 00:05:43.480 don't remember the good like I don't remember how I felt about the movie. 58 00:05:43.519 --> 00:05:48.319 I just remember seeing it and being like, it wasn't that bad. He 59 00:05:48.439 --> 00:05:53.680 was nice to look at. I think there's a point where he's topless chopping 60 00:05:53.720 --> 00:05:57.800 wood. Yes there is, yes, yeah, ingrained in my memory. 61 00:05:58.079 --> 00:06:05.800 Yeap ingrained in every buddy's memory, and for good purpose too. So we'll 62 00:06:05.879 --> 00:06:13.279 just jump right on into the real life story behind the Amityville Horror. Ronald 63 00:06:13.480 --> 00:06:17.720 Butch de Fayo Junior was born September twenty sixth nineteen fifty one in Brooklyn, 64 00:06:17.759 --> 00:06:23.199 New York. He was the first of five children to his mother Louise and 65 00:06:23.240 --> 00:06:28.759 his father, Ronald Senior. Ronald Senior was a very successful carriers salesman, 66 00:06:29.360 --> 00:06:32.079 and the family would have been considered like upper middle class at the time. 67 00:06:32.759 --> 00:06:38.040 They were rich, but they weren't like big time rich m h. In 68 00:06:38.120 --> 00:06:43.920 nineteen sixty five, Ronald Senior bought a massive house at one one two Ocean 69 00:06:43.959 --> 00:06:48.720 Avenue in Amityville, New York, near Long Island. The house was five 70 00:06:48.800 --> 00:06:54.959 bedrooms and three bathrooms. It had a swimming pool and a boathouse. I 71 00:06:55.000 --> 00:06:59.120 feel like swimming pools are one of those things that when you buy a house, 72 00:06:59.160 --> 00:07:00.639 you're like, yeah, I'm gonna I'm going to totally use that swimming 73 00:07:00.639 --> 00:07:03.680 pool. And they never used it. Yeah. Yeah, it's like a 74 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:10.240 bath you know. Yeah. Ronald was reportedly very controlling of Louise and the 75 00:07:10.319 --> 00:07:13.879 children, but he was hardest on Butch. So I'm just gonna call him 76 00:07:13.879 --> 00:07:16.639 Butch from here on it just to save confusion as to like which Ronald I'm 77 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:21.759 talking about. Butch had a difficult childhood. He was bullied in school for 78 00:07:21.839 --> 00:07:28.480 being overweight, and then his father was like really hard on him. As 79 00:07:28.480 --> 00:07:31.480 he got older, though, he began fighting back against the bullies, and 80 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:39.759 then he also began fighting back against his father. His parents began to genuinely 81 00:07:39.959 --> 00:07:43.120 get concerned about him, like they were like, oh, no, he 82 00:07:43.160 --> 00:07:47.839 has like issues. He's fighting back, so he obviously has some issues. 83 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:51.959 No, no, boy had issues. Okay, he did, He definitely 84 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:58.680 did. So they brought him to see a psychiatrist. But Butch refused to 85 00:07:58.759 --> 00:08:01.160 speak to the chiatrists because he was like, Nah, there's none wrong with 86 00:08:01.199 --> 00:08:05.839 me. I'm cool, I'm fine, I'm gee. So his parents did 87 00:08:05.879 --> 00:08:09.879 the only rational thing to do in that situation, and that was to bribe 88 00:08:09.920 --> 00:08:18.120 him into behaving. I can relate. I do that with Nile. They 89 00:08:18.160 --> 00:08:22.079 would give him money and they even bought him a speed both worth about fourteen 90 00:08:22.120 --> 00:08:28.519 thousand dollars, which today is like big money. Back then it's big money. 91 00:08:28.759 --> 00:08:33.519 Yeah back then, Yeah, we're out. Yeah. And however, 92 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:37.399 to everyone's shock and horror, it didn't work and he didn't change his behavior. 93 00:08:39.639 --> 00:08:43.080 By the time he was seventeen years old, Butch was addicted to LSD 94 00:08:43.279 --> 00:08:48.720 and heroin. That's crazy for a seventeen year old, Yeah, literally, 95 00:08:48.159 --> 00:08:52.399 Like what the fuck. I feel like you skipped a whole bunch of steps 96 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:56.120 there and just went straight in for the hardcore drugs. Like have you tried 97 00:08:56.120 --> 00:09:05.519 a cigarette yet? I think? What? What the buck? He was 98 00:09:05.559 --> 00:09:11.679 expelled for violent behavior in school, so you know things are going good for 99 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:16.799 him. When he turned eighteen years old, he was given a job working 100 00:09:16.840 --> 00:09:22.279 for his grandfather in his car dealership. In his teenage years, he'd began 101 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:26.960 a massive interest in guns, and he began collecting all different types. That 102 00:09:26.200 --> 00:09:33.600 sounds like a very safe interest for a man like him. I'm so glad 103 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:37.720 he's nurturing that. He went on a hunting trip with a friend and they 104 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:43.399 ended up having a disagreement, so Butch threatened to shoot him dead. Yeah 105 00:09:43.519 --> 00:09:46.919 yeah, And then when they got back from the hunting trip, Butch was 106 00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:50.879 like, nah, I never did that. Okay, Butch, no, 107 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:54.559 it wasn't me. On another occasion, Butch got a gun and he pointed 108 00:09:54.679 --> 00:10:01.440 at his father and like pulled the trigger, and by some miracle, the 109 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:07.799 gun never went off. But what do you do after that? He just 110 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:11.240 awkwardly stare at each other be like, okay, I'm going to bed. 111 00:10:11.679 --> 00:10:16.480 Do you just what happens after that also, how embarrassing that it didn't work, 112 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:20.320 because now your dad's going to have to beat draft. Yeah, like 113 00:10:20.519 --> 00:10:26.840 you tried to shoot the man, so you know. Yeah. Butch began 114 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:33.720 feeling underappreciated at his job, despite being very well paid by his grandfather for 115 00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:37.759 doing sweet foot all. He felt as though his work was worth more than 116 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:43.480 what he was getting paid. So Butch decided that he was going to try 117 00:10:43.519 --> 00:10:48.279 an embezzle money from his grandfather's business. He was a stands up guy, 118 00:10:48.679 --> 00:10:52.240 stand up guy. He was trusted to go to the bank one day to 119 00:10:52.399 --> 00:10:56.440 lodge a large number of checks for his grandfather. However, Butch decided that 120 00:10:56.519 --> 00:11:00.960 he was going to hire his friend to rob him, and then the pair 121 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:05.759 agreed that they'd split the money between them. When Butcher arrived back at the 122 00:11:05.799 --> 00:11:11.200 dealership two hours later and told his grandfather that he was robbed, things went 123 00:11:11.440 --> 00:11:16.720 just a little lol smidgeon downhill. His grandfather naturally called nine point one and 124 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:22.600 was like, my son was burgled, robbed. Checks are missing. So 125 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:26.519 the police arrived and they had a lot of questions for Butch, and he 126 00:11:26.559 --> 00:11:31.799 became very irritated with the officers, and he even like attempted to become violent 127 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:37.799 with them. Oh stop it. They had a lot of questions into regard 128 00:11:37.000 --> 00:11:41.080 in regards to where he was for two hours, like you got robbed, 129 00:11:41.679 --> 00:11:46.120 and then where we are you for two hours? Then for a little coffee 130 00:11:46.120 --> 00:11:52.879 maybe, like what were you doing? Butch began banging on cars and he 131 00:11:54.039 --> 00:11:58.960 refused to cooperate. Police wanted him to come down to the police station to 132 00:11:58.000 --> 00:12:03.039 have a look at MoG's to see if he could see his mugger there and 133 00:12:03.039 --> 00:12:07.480 see if you can see the guy. That's great. So he agreed to 134 00:12:07.519 --> 00:12:13.320 do this, and then at the last minute he threw a tantrum and refused 135 00:12:13.440 --> 00:12:18.840 to go, and he was like, yeah, he's this smarket. Ronald 136 00:12:18.879 --> 00:12:24.919 Senior became very frustrated with Butch because of this, and they got into a 137 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:28.080 yelling match. He yelled at his son that he had the devil on his 138 00:12:28.159 --> 00:12:33.039 back before he like stormed out of the house. Butch called his father a 139 00:12:33.039 --> 00:12:37.440 fat prick and then threatened to kill him. Sorry, what was this yelling 140 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:41.399 match? You got the devil on your back, boy? A bit of 141 00:12:41.480 --> 00:12:54.159 fat brick? What is happening? God? I hate you and I will 142 00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:58.919 be the night that I will fall for you. God, Dad, you're 143 00:12:58.159 --> 00:13:03.519 always on my back. Such a preak. You're the devil. This is 144 00:13:03.519 --> 00:13:11.240 where things took a very dramatic turn, an also devastating turn, in the 145 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:16.039 early hours of November thirteenth, nineteen seventy three, at the age of twenty 146 00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:22.840 three. He was twenty three, butch appeared to have snapped. He had 147 00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:28.159 a rifle hidden in his bedroom. He took it, and he walked into 148 00:13:28.200 --> 00:13:33.320 his parents' room. He watched both his parents sleeping for a few minutes before 149 00:13:33.399 --> 00:13:37.679 shooting them twice in the back. Oh god. He then went into the 150 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:43.320 room of his brother his two brothers, Mark and John. He watched his 151 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:48.879 brothers lay there and then he shot them. He then watched them die. 152 00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:52.879 He then went into the room of his sister Don and his sister Alison, 153 00:13:52.960 --> 00:13:58.080 and he shot both of them while they slept. When he had shot Dawn, 154 00:13:58.480 --> 00:14:01.679 he shot her in the head and he essentially, because it was a 155 00:14:01.799 --> 00:14:07.679 rifle, he shot off the left side of her face. Oh my god. 156 00:14:09.480 --> 00:14:15.480 Yeah. Now, the one thing detectives found odd was that her so 157 00:14:15.720 --> 00:14:18.519 like essentially the left side of her face had been blown off. She was 158 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:22.039 soaked in blood. The bed was soaked in blood like her pillow and everything, 159 00:14:22.120 --> 00:14:30.200 but there was no blood spatter on her headboard. Butch had killed his 160 00:14:30.480 --> 00:14:37.039 entire family in about fifteen minutes, just going from room to room. He 161 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:41.840 then went for a bath or a shower to freshen up. He got himself 162 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:46.559 dressed, sure, he put his bloody clothes in a pillowcase, and he 163 00:14:46.600 --> 00:14:50.720 got ready for work. At about six am, he headed into work, 164 00:14:50.799 --> 00:14:56.279 throwing the pillowcase of evidence into a storm drain. He put the gun in 165 00:14:56.320 --> 00:15:01.120 the boat house that he'd used. He then got to work, and he 166 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:07.480 commented on how weird it was that his dad wasn't in yet. To be 167 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:11.919 fair, would you not be if you and your dad worked in the same 168 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:15.399 place, worked in the same place, would you not just go into se 169 00:15:15.639 --> 00:15:20.320 So Butch had a girlfriend at the time, and so I presume that he 170 00:15:20.440 --> 00:15:22.799 sometimes stayed with the girlfriend and sometimes he didn't. And so, like they 171 00:15:22.840 --> 00:15:28.879 would it wouldn't be weird if they didn't come in together. Mm hmm. 172 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:35.320 He then called the house and then he commented about how it was weird. 173 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:39.039 Now one picked up the phone. He was like, that's weird, No 174 00:15:39.039 --> 00:15:43.000 one's picking up the phone. He finished work early, at about half one 175 00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:48.039 He went around to his girlfriend's house, and he made sure to mention how 176 00:15:48.039 --> 00:15:50.600 it was weird that he couldn't get ahold of his family, So he asked 177 00:15:50.600 --> 00:15:54.600 if he could use her phone to call the house. He called the house, 178 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:58.279 and then he commented again about how strange it was no one was picking 179 00:15:58.360 --> 00:16:03.080 up the phone all day. If you dond's so strange, why don't you 180 00:16:03.159 --> 00:16:07.679 just go home? Yeah, that's also very true. He then met some 181 00:16:07.720 --> 00:16:11.600 friends at a pub called Henry's Bear, which was actually quite near his house. 182 00:16:12.559 --> 00:16:15.919 He had a few drinks with his friends, again making sure to mention 183 00:16:17.080 --> 00:16:21.240 about how he could not get a hold of anyone from his family all day 184 00:16:21.240 --> 00:16:25.120 long, and this was so weird and so strange, and his dad never 185 00:16:25.159 --> 00:16:30.120 showed up to work, and what's going on, you know, bazare So 186 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:33.320 he headed home at around six pm, and then he ran back into the 187 00:16:33.320 --> 00:16:37.679 pub at six thirty pm shouting quote, you've got to help me. I 188 00:16:37.720 --> 00:16:41.840 think my mother and father are shot. But and a group of his friends 189 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:45.399 all went back to the house to like investigate, to like you know. 190 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:48.919 His friends were like, we'll bring you back to the house, let's see 191 00:16:48.960 --> 00:16:52.600 what's going on. What do you mean you think like they've been shot, 192 00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:56.240 you know, of course they naturally have questions. When they entered the house, 193 00:16:56.279 --> 00:17:00.600 they found the family dog tied up barking in the kitchen. When they 194 00:17:00.639 --> 00:17:04.519 went up the stairs, they found his parents, who were both forty three 195 00:17:04.640 --> 00:17:10.279 years of age, shot murdered in their bed. Then they found Don who 196 00:17:10.319 --> 00:17:17.160 was only eighteen. Alison was thirteen, Mark was twelve, and John was 197 00:17:17.279 --> 00:17:23.160 nine. Butch's friend called nine one one. The police noticed, like how 198 00:17:23.279 --> 00:17:26.680 to straw Butch was like, They were like, oh, oh, this 199 00:17:26.759 --> 00:17:32.519 per guy has just lost his entire family, and he was like a mess. 200 00:17:33.559 --> 00:17:37.759 M So Butch told police how he believed that this was the work of 201 00:17:37.839 --> 00:17:42.079 a mobster who had held a grudge over the family over an argument that had 202 00:17:42.119 --> 00:17:48.279 happened years previous. So police took Butch down to the police station for protection 203 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:52.359 because they believed he was in danger, because if this was the work of 204 00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:56.519 a mobster who was out to kill the entire family and he was the sole 205 00:17:56.559 --> 00:18:03.359 survivor, he was the next target of Butcher's story began to change a little 206 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:08.000 in details here and there, like every time he told it, a detail 207 00:18:08.039 --> 00:18:14.240 will have changed, right, And so police are like, there's no use. 208 00:18:14.279 --> 00:18:19.480 At last ten Bill m the mobster that Butcher had accused, he had 209 00:18:19.519 --> 00:18:26.519 an alibi, and police then obviously connected the dots of who he was and 210 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:33.240 learned of his fake robbery that happened not too long before the murders. Mm 211 00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:40.440 hmm. The next day, police interrogated Butch for hours because they were like, 212 00:18:40.640 --> 00:18:42.480 no, like, what is going on. Your story is different, 213 00:18:44.039 --> 00:18:48.519 There's things that aren't adding on, adding up, spill the tea. It 214 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:52.759 felt the fool, and eventually Butcher confessed to the murder of his family. 215 00:18:53.200 --> 00:18:57.200 Quote, once I started, I just couldn't stop. It went so fast. 216 00:18:57.799 --> 00:19:02.000 Yeah, I did, because it only took you fifteen minutes to annihilate 217 00:19:02.039 --> 00:19:06.160 your whole family, didn't it, Butch? Yep. Butcher's trial began on 218 00:19:06.200 --> 00:19:11.039 October fourteenth, nineteen seventy five, and he tried pleading insanity. He claimed 219 00:19:11.559 --> 00:19:15.680 that voices made him kill his family and that it was in self defense. 220 00:19:17.400 --> 00:19:21.839 He killed them before they could kill him because that's what the voices were telling 221 00:19:21.880 --> 00:19:23.880 him. The voices were telling him that his family were going to kill him. 222 00:19:25.400 --> 00:19:29.440 To be fair, it was met and LSD, wasn't it. He 223 00:19:29.519 --> 00:19:32.880 was like addicted to it that point heroin, Yeah, heroin and LSDA heroin, 224 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:36.599 So like, I don't know, do you get hallucinations and you're on 225 00:19:36.720 --> 00:19:40.319 that shit. Yeah, you definitely would have hallucinations on LSD for sure. 226 00:19:40.359 --> 00:19:45.000 I don't know so much about heroin, but like you probably fucking did hear 227 00:19:45.119 --> 00:19:48.839 voices. But also, you're not insane, You're just a drug addict, 228 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:56.839 sir. Yeah. His defense team had a psychiatrist testify that Butch was suffering 229 00:19:56.880 --> 00:20:02.079 from psychological issues. However, the prosecute had their own psychiatrist, and he 230 00:20:02.240 --> 00:20:07.759 testified that despite him having many drug problems, he had social personality disorder. 231 00:20:08.559 --> 00:20:11.720 Butch was aware of what he was doing at the time of the murders, 232 00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:18.039 like he knew what he was doing. Butch took the stand to testify, 233 00:20:18.359 --> 00:20:22.079 and it was basically like he'd not like to stand on like it was so 234 00:20:22.200 --> 00:20:26.119 clear that he'd done it, and he took the stand, and that literally 235 00:20:26.200 --> 00:20:30.359 does killed his case because he made comments about how he like basically enjoyed enjoyed 236 00:20:30.359 --> 00:20:36.839 it. Oh oh yeah, he'd like make comments about how like it was 237 00:20:36.960 --> 00:20:42.240 fun, you know, and you're like, no, no, you just 238 00:20:42.720 --> 00:20:47.039 you did it and you're sick. But also you just fucked yourself mith. 239 00:20:48.119 --> 00:20:52.599 Yeah. On November twenty one, nineteen seventy five, Butch was found guilty 240 00:20:52.720 --> 00:20:57.119 on six counts of second degree murder, and on December fourth, nineteen seventy 241 00:20:57.160 --> 00:21:03.240 five, he was sentenced to six consecutive life sentences. The judge only six 242 00:21:03.319 --> 00:21:07.119 guns because that's the only killed six people. Oh yeah, that's right. 243 00:21:07.160 --> 00:21:10.000 Sorry, because I was thinking like he had five siblings, but he was 244 00:21:10.039 --> 00:21:12.160 one of five. He was one of the five. Yeah. The judge 245 00:21:12.200 --> 00:21:18.839 claimed that if the Dafeo murders were quote the most heinous murders committed in Suffolk 246 00:21:18.920 --> 00:21:22.160 County since its founding, I believe it. Mm hmmm, No, it's 247 00:21:22.200 --> 00:21:37.559 going to take quickly. Ledwick police had found that Butch had committed the murders. 248 00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:45.920 Sorry, and we're back. I forgot to say we're back. And 249 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:52.079 police had found that Butch had committed the murders without help. He didn't use 250 00:21:52.079 --> 00:21:57.559 a silencer, and the coroner confirmed that no one from the family had been 251 00:21:57.599 --> 00:22:03.920 drugged. So this left many questions. Mm hmm. I was thinking this, 252 00:22:03.160 --> 00:22:07.200 Why didn't anybody wake up when the parents were shot? How do you 253 00:22:07.240 --> 00:22:14.480 shoot six members of your family on two different levels of the house. Without 254 00:22:14.519 --> 00:22:19.200 a single person waking up. Mm hmm. Everyone was lying down, face 255 00:22:19.319 --> 00:22:25.359 down with bullet wounds in and around their back, like it was all very 256 00:22:26.200 --> 00:22:30.960 yeah, straightforward. Yes. A common theory is that he killed his parents 257 00:22:32.039 --> 00:22:34.759 and that he was able to gain control of his siblings because they were all 258 00:22:34.839 --> 00:22:38.359 younger than him, and that he just forced them to like stay in their 259 00:22:38.359 --> 00:22:44.799 beds face down until he was like ready to kill them. And also he 260 00:22:44.839 --> 00:22:49.599 did have a rifle, so he had that control, that control. Yeah. 261 00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:53.960 The police chief at the time of the murders, he struggled to believe 262 00:22:55.000 --> 00:22:59.039 that Butch acted alone, and the coroner also believed that there were two or 263 00:22:59.039 --> 00:23:03.519 more killers. However, they all said that the same gun was used in 264 00:23:03.559 --> 00:23:08.440 all six murders. Butch's grandfather hired an ex police officer as a private investigator 265 00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:11.599 to try to figure out who might have helped Butch carry out the murders. 266 00:23:12.599 --> 00:23:18.039 The investigation concluded that there were at least two other people in the house the 267 00:23:18.119 --> 00:23:22.920 knight of the murders, to help Butch control his family and interesting mm hm. 268 00:23:22.160 --> 00:23:30.720 And this investigation also concluded that more than one gun was used. However, 269 00:23:30.119 --> 00:23:34.279 no one was ever accused in helping Butch, and there is no way 270 00:23:34.359 --> 00:23:41.640 to ever actually prove that somebody helped Butch. But obviously police and investigate like 271 00:23:41.720 --> 00:23:45.160 private investigators. They have their theories on who helped them, They have their 272 00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:52.920 suspects, they just can't prove it. Yeah. After his conviction, Butch 273 00:23:52.119 --> 00:23:56.640 changed his story on what happened to the night of the murders. He alleged 274 00:23:56.799 --> 00:24:02.920 that his father was abusive to everyone in the household. His father and his 275 00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:07.279 sister Don got into an argument the night of the murders, and Butch, 276 00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:11.359 Don, and two of his friends all went down to the basement to drink 277 00:24:11.480 --> 00:24:17.240 and smoke take drugs. All the jazz, Oh, all the jazz. 278 00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:22.359 Yeah Yeah. While down there, Butch claimed that John had suggested that they 279 00:24:22.480 --> 00:24:26.599 kill their father to stop the abuse, and at first Butch ignored her and 280 00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:30.480 was like, you know what, a silly idea, Shut the fuck up. 281 00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:33.119 But as the drugs set in, he decided that actually, no, 282 00:24:33.200 --> 00:24:37.039 it was a good idea and that he would help her carry it. The 283 00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:42.039 murders okay, Don, Butch and one of their friends went upstairs with the 284 00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:48.160 rifle and Don shot their parents. Then their friend fled the scene, so 285 00:24:48.200 --> 00:24:52.519 Butch ran after him to bring him back to the house to force him to 286 00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:55.920 help with the cleanup. And when he got back to the house, he 287 00:24:56.000 --> 00:25:00.519 discovered that Don had killed all of their siblings. But then fought Don for 288 00:25:00.640 --> 00:25:06.720 the rifle, and if I remember correctly, he fought her. He ended 289 00:25:06.799 --> 00:25:11.240 up pushing her. She fell became unconscious. He got the rifle and he 290 00:25:11.319 --> 00:25:17.480 decided to shoot her, and he shot her to stop her killing spree. 291 00:25:18.160 --> 00:25:21.079 You need to stop her from killing him. That was it. Well, 292 00:25:21.119 --> 00:25:25.359 it still makes sense if he says his self defense or whatever. Butch said 293 00:25:25.480 --> 00:25:30.000 that Don had shot their mother first. Then their father rose to his feet 294 00:25:30.039 --> 00:25:33.200 from the sound of the gunshot, and Don shot him once he fell to 295 00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:37.119 the bed, and then she shot him a second time to ensure he was 296 00:25:37.160 --> 00:25:41.400 dead. Butch claimed that then their mother was lying on the bed, bleeding 297 00:25:41.440 --> 00:25:45.079 out, dying. She was making noises. You could hear her wheezing and 298 00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:48.720 all of that. So they shot her again to put her out of her 299 00:25:48.759 --> 00:25:52.599 misery. He said, Don's reasoning for killing all of their siblings was to 300 00:25:52.640 --> 00:25:59.640 remove them as possible witnesses in any investigation. Now, Butch is known for 301 00:25:59.680 --> 00:26:04.799 a lie, and he's known for like he literally flip flops on his story 302 00:26:04.839 --> 00:26:11.559 the entire time. Some days like he't on it solely him, other days 303 00:26:11.640 --> 00:26:15.839 him and three of his friends. Another day it's him and the sister. 304 00:26:15.039 --> 00:26:19.440 And now the common one that he uses is that it was the sister, 305 00:26:19.640 --> 00:26:25.000 like that's the one that he kind of generally sticks to. But he does 306 00:26:25.039 --> 00:26:30.640 have different variations, and he's used different variations and like interviews and stuff. 307 00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:37.039 Right, so it's like the fuck yeah, now, I will say to 308 00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:41.599 him. Though Don did have gunpowder residue on her rope, right, Okay, 309 00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:47.119 So it's like, Okay, I wonder is there like any different way 310 00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:52.440 that could have gotten there. One theory is that he like forced her to 311 00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:59.000 kill their father, hmm okay, or that he like forced her to stand 312 00:26:59.039 --> 00:27:03.119 beside him and watch him kill. They're like a load of different things that 313 00:27:03.160 --> 00:27:10.519 they could have, you know. Another version of events he claims is that 314 00:27:10.599 --> 00:27:15.920 the night, the night of the murders, there's a fight. Don gets 315 00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:19.480 angry, she gets the rifle, She goes into their parents' room and she 316 00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:27.319 shoots their father. Their mother Louise woke up and she becomes hysterical, and 317 00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:34.000 that she essentially fights the gun off Dawn and then she began killing her children 318 00:27:34.039 --> 00:27:41.039 one by one from hysteria, and then he fought his mother for the gun 319 00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:45.799 and he shot her in self defense. He said that he originally took response 320 00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:49.880 for the murders out of fear of how his grandfather would react to the news 321 00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:55.200 that his daughter had killed all of her children. What a guy. He's 322 00:27:55.200 --> 00:27:59.400 literally blaming everyone else but himself. Yeah, all these dead people that can't 323 00:27:59.440 --> 00:28:07.319 defend themself, else that he killed conveniently, conveniently, Like, who is 324 00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:12.799 it? Butch? It was someone's been in my room drinking my biss Who 325 00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:21.920 could have been in your room? It was you, Like, someone's been 326 00:28:21.960 --> 00:28:27.680 in my house murdering that family. When I was there, awake on drugs, 327 00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:33.680 I thought of the well, it was fucking one ears fucking disgusting, 328 00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:42.200 yea, Honestly, why are they all staged face down in their bed? 329 00:28:44.319 --> 00:28:47.960 Oh so, if that's the case, why did you go to the pub 330 00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:51.359 and go to work and go to your girlfriends? Why did you like stage 331 00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:57.759 a whole scenario of like, what where is my father? I haven't seen 332 00:28:57.759 --> 00:29:00.880 it, Like, oh my god, I didn't aleast murder him? What? 333 00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:08.680 No, Yeah, it's not adding up here, Butch there's a lot 334 00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:14.680 of like it's one of those things where you're never actually going to know what 335 00:29:15.319 --> 00:29:21.880 really happened, unfortunately, because he has changed his story so much. But 336 00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:29.920 also he definitely done it. It's just like, how did he do it? 337 00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:34.000 And did he actually have help? So the house went up for sale 338 00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:40.119 shortly after Butch was arrested for the murders, and on December eighteenth, nineteen 339 00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:47.079 seventy five, George and Kathen Lutz bought one one two Ocean Avenue. They 340 00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:51.920 bought the house only thirteen months after the murders of the Dafao family, and 341 00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:56.160 they bought it with all of the Dafayo's furniture inside of it. Oh no, 342 00:29:56.599 --> 00:30:02.759 don't like that. Don't like that one bit, including like family portraits. 343 00:30:02.920 --> 00:30:06.920 Oh no, no no. But then at the same time, like, 344 00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:08.839 yeah, who was going to go in? It's called my grandfather. 345 00:30:10.559 --> 00:30:14.279 I don't care who goes in. Why are you keeping the furniture? You're 346 00:30:14.359 --> 00:30:18.559 sick? They paid extra for the furniture. Okay, they paid me keeping 347 00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:22.680 the furniture. But like family portrait, No, somebody died in that house. 348 00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:26.039 Okay, I don't want to sit on the sofa of a murdered woman. 349 00:30:26.839 --> 00:30:29.240 I mean, maybe I don't want to eat dinner. I don't know. 350 00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:36.039 I don't think I would be that. I am not dinner where a 351 00:30:36.160 --> 00:30:41.359 family at their dinner the day that they were all fucking annihilated. True, 352 00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:47.960 yeah, yeah, that is true. Obviously have a family who bought it 353 00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:55.279 new No? Yeah yeah. A family friend of the Lotses suggested that they 354 00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:57.519 contact a priest to have the house blessed before they moved in, and they 355 00:30:57.559 --> 00:31:02.480 did do just that. They had a priest come the day that they were 356 00:31:02.480 --> 00:31:04.160 moving in, and as they were moving their stuff in, the priest went 357 00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:10.039 from room to room, blessing each room. He entered the room where Butch 358 00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:15.319 murdered his younger brothers, and the priest began flucking his holy water around the 359 00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:19.519 room, reciting his prayers, and as he did this, he heard a 360 00:31:19.559 --> 00:31:26.640 loud masculine voice shout, get out. Oh. The priest apparently never told 361 00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:30.119 Kathy and George about this, but he told them not to use the room 362 00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:34.160 as a bedroom, and they listened. So Kathy turned it into her sewing 363 00:31:34.279 --> 00:31:37.160 room, like, you know what, there's a demon in there, but 364 00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:41.519 it's fine as long as you don't sleep in there. You should be good. 365 00:31:41.559 --> 00:31:44.759 You should be good. I blessed it, so just don't sleep in 366 00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:49.559 there should be fun. Yeah. They claimed that their personalities began to change 367 00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:56.000 from the worst, like immediately. They said that the house would smell of 368 00:31:56.119 --> 00:32:01.599 bile and cheap perfume, black stains appearing on the toilets, and nothing would 369 00:32:01.599 --> 00:32:08.440 remove them, not even bleach. That's a really strange manifestation of demons. 370 00:32:08.839 --> 00:32:15.200 That demon shit, yo, will not come off. Have you tried the 371 00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:20.759 pink stuff? And it's drub daddy. That pink stuff looks miracles. I'm 372 00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:23.720 telling you, guess, grub Daddy, that's what you need. You do 373 00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:28.799 need a miracle. It gets it gets worse. They claimed that they saw 374 00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:35.279 slime falling town their walls. No one day. The family said that they 375 00:32:35.319 --> 00:32:38.279 found hundreds of flies in the sewing room in the middle of winter, which 376 00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:44.680 is like not fly season, Thank fucking God Jesus, not for them. 377 00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:50.480 And there's a plague happening in that room. I hate sleep in it. 378 00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:59.200 There's a place a plague upon your house. Kathy claimed that she began experiencing 379 00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:07.119 unseen Hi, baby, come sleep in this room with me. I'm lonely. 380 00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:17.240 Oh how I've missed a woman's touch. George was experiencing constant chills and 381 00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:25.400 he would have to sit beside the fire all day. Men, it's middle 382 00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:32.200 winter. You're chopping wood shirtless. Come on, Rylan Reynolds. Of course 383 00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:35.720 you have to sit aside the fire. I can heat you up if you 384 00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:46.720 want. Okay, just put a fucking shirt on. He also began having 385 00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:51.359 terrible nightmares, and he claimed that he would wake up every night at three 386 00:33:51.400 --> 00:34:01.079 point fifteen am, which is when the mergers allegedly took place. What he 387 00:34:01.160 --> 00:34:07.119 claimed he woke up at three am one night and he saw his wife transform 388 00:34:07.239 --> 00:34:15.679 into an old hag. It was just her birthday, she was turning forty. 389 00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:22.719 She just took her makeup off. Bro, No need to be so 390 00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:28.400 hurtful. Can you imagine if Kyl was like, oh my god, last 391 00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:37.480 night he turned into an old haag. Okay, that's nice. He also 392 00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:42.559 said that the next night she was levitating off the bed and he had to 393 00:34:42.599 --> 00:34:47.400 pull her back down. The family contacted the priest again to perform another blessing, 394 00:34:47.559 --> 00:34:52.280 but he claimed he was still recovering from the first blessing, as he 395 00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:58.679 became extremely ill after visiting the house the first time. They claimed that one 396 00:34:58.719 --> 00:35:02.199 of their daughters hadn't en friend named Jody, who was a pig with red 397 00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:08.000 eyes. A pig with red eyes. Yes. The daughter claimed that sometimes 398 00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:12.639 Jody was as big as a teddy bear, and other times she was bigger 399 00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:16.079 than the house. She claimed that she could see her glowing red eyes in 400 00:35:16.119 --> 00:35:20.159 the middle of the night, and even outside her window in the late night 401 00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:23.480 darkness. Don't like that. I don't like that one bit. Actually, 402 00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:29.800 you can keep that one to yourself if you don't mind. Yeah, I 403 00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:35.079 don't want to hear that. And she said that Jody would also often stand 404 00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:38.679 behind her. Okay, well, if Jody is a pig, how is 405 00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:47.119 she standing? I'm confused. I just have a few questions. Do we 406 00:35:47.239 --> 00:35:52.280 have a hand drawn picture of Joey says now, I'm really interested. I 407 00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:55.639 need to see Jody now. No, I take that back. I don't. 408 00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:05.719 Oh, it's just sucking sexty men. Oh, I was getting excited. 409 00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:15.639 They claimed that whatever was causing whatever this was, whatever supernatural thing that 410 00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:21.320 they're experiencing, was causing physical damage to the house. It pulled doors off 411 00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:25.079 hinges, it was scratching presses, it was breaking windows, It was doing 412 00:36:25.159 --> 00:36:31.280 the whole shebang, got slime running down the walls like Pickelodian holes. Their 413 00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:37.400 dog reportedly was choking on nothing one time. Okay, you know what dogs 414 00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:44.840 do that though, I'm not even being funny. Dogs. Sometimes. There 415 00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:49.239 was a rumor that George was practicing black magic and that's why he wanted to 416 00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:52.119 buy the house because he knew of the murders. And it was like, 417 00:36:52.840 --> 00:37:02.599 hmm hmm, black magic, black magic, work for it. After twenty 418 00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:07.800 eight days, Megan the family packed up their belongings and moved in with Kathy's 419 00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:14.480 parents. This all happened in twenty eight days. You know what the relationship 420 00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:16.679 that Jody and the kid were able to build in twenty eight days is. 421 00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:23.280 It's actually kind of impressive. Magical. Yeah, The Lutz family called Ed 422 00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:30.000 Lorraine Warren to come investigate their horror house. So Ed Lorraine come to the 423 00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:36.599 house and they do a seance and Lorraine is like, oh my fucking god, 424 00:37:36.719 --> 00:37:38.800 the energy in this house is so jack There's nothing I can do for 425 00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:43.360 you. I'm so sorry, You're gonna have to live with it. There's 426 00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:46.559 just too much evil in this house that I just can't expel it. It's 427 00:37:46.599 --> 00:37:55.599 too, evil gets excisaments. Despite Butch being alive, sadly and well serving 428 00:37:55.639 --> 00:38:02.519 his life sentences in prison, Lorraine claimed she could feel his soul in the 429 00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:10.840 hosse. Oh no, girl, the ray Honey, he's still love though. 430 00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:15.400 She's saying, though, that his soul is trapped there and there's a 431 00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:17.639 demon in his physical No, no, no, She's just like, I 432 00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:27.280 can feel presence is like soul, hiss like spirits, like bad vibes. 433 00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:29.719 Yeah. Like she's like, he never said, I don't well to my 434 00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:31.760 knowledge anyway, she wasn't like, oh, there's a demon in him. 435 00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:35.599 She was just like, he's just like left a part of his soul here 436 00:38:36.440 --> 00:38:42.079 because of what he did. Hmm okay, true evil. I can't expel 437 00:38:42.199 --> 00:38:49.239 that, but can we interest you in a book? Deal? They took 438 00:38:49.320 --> 00:38:52.519 photos around the house during the seance, and there is a famous photo from 439 00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:58.599 this which shows a boy with white eyes appearing behind a door. I don't 440 00:38:58.599 --> 00:39:01.559 know if you've ever seen it, Megan, No, I haven't. It's 441 00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:07.280 believed to be a photo of the ghost of either John or Mac Defayo Marc 442 00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:09.320 not Mac. Sorry, I'm googling it. Mm hmmm. I think it's 443 00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:15.039 called the ghost boy photo or something or a demonic I'm Gonnaville ghost boy mm 444 00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:21.360 hmm, oh eh, I hate that photo. I don't like that photo 445 00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:23.280 at all. I feel like it's just a photo of a kid though, 446 00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:28.400 Like I don't like my n no ghost. He does have white eyes though, 447 00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:30.000 yeah, but that it's a black and white photo that could just be 448 00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:36.239 like the flash yeah yeah they had. It wasn't just Aid and Lorrain that 449 00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:39.000 we're there. There was like other people there. Can I just say that 450 00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:45.039 the little boy John was absolutely adorable. I know, Yeah, it's very 451 00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:50.519 sad, it's just so cute. A lot of people do question the authenticity 452 00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:54.079 of this photo because, as I said, they had people there in the 453 00:39:54.119 --> 00:39:57.880 house, like they had people that were working for him and stuff, and 454 00:39:57.920 --> 00:40:01.599 so they took a photo and they're like, oh, yeah, this is 455 00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:05.320 one of the boys that was murdered. And then a lot of people were 456 00:40:05.320 --> 00:40:08.320 like they could just be somebody that works for you that like got accidentally caught 457 00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:13.119 in the photo. Yeah, and like that's why their eyes are white, 458 00:40:13.159 --> 00:40:15.639 because it's like an accident, Like they're not actually like posed for the photo 459 00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:20.280 or anything. They just like they turn in the you know, flashing their 460 00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:22.519 eyes, like the flash like just hit their eyes whatever way they were looking 461 00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:28.960 at the camera. So the Lutz family then decided to write a book about 462 00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:36.280 the experiences and they named it like the Amity phil Horror, but the real 463 00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:40.960 Amaville Horror was the fact that a family got slaughtered. They're not your fake 464 00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:50.159 made up experiences. Literally literally there's so they made this book. It became 465 00:40:50.239 --> 00:40:53.599 like a best selling book. I believe it, like I'd probably read it. 466 00:40:54.400 --> 00:41:00.239 The priest that they named in the book came forward was like, I 467 00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:06.239 never stepped foot in that house. No, oh, my god, embarrassing. 468 00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:09.599 It was like I had a phone call with them, but I never 469 00:41:09.679 --> 00:41:16.239 went to the house. Ooh, that's so embarrassing for them. Yeah. 470 00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:22.400 So this caused a lot of speculation on how true their story is and was. 471 00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:27.840 As I said, the book was a best selling novel. They marketed 472 00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:32.599 is nonfiction. Mm hmmm, honey, you're trying to tell me that slime 473 00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:38.000 went Daniel Walls and you're going to market it is nonfiction. There was a 474 00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:44.119 red eyed pig neve. There's no disputing that, no disputing The book went 475 00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:50.920 on to be adapted into several movies. As we all know that grossed millions. 476 00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:58.119 The house was on the market for an exceedingly long time before well after 477 00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:02.199 this, it was like almost known as a murder house because I'm pretty sure 478 00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:07.719 George Lutts was like trying to say that, like he felt like he could 479 00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:13.079 hear the voice of Butch de Fayo like telling him to kill his family. 480 00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:15.559 He was like, no, I don't want to go my family. Yeah, 481 00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:19.119 that's what they all the movies are kind of based on. It's like 482 00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:22.039 the voice telling the head of the house to kill his family, to kill 483 00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:25.920 his family. It was eventually sold. I think it was sold in twenty 484 00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:31.119 seventeen. Someone eventually bought it. They had to change the address, like 485 00:42:31.159 --> 00:42:36.760 they had to legally change it from one one to Ocean Avenue to like one 486 00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:40.400 o eight Ocean Avenue, And it was to try and stop people from popping 487 00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:45.840 up at the house. God, because like true crime people and like lovers 488 00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:51.039 of the supernatural and like you know, fans of the movies and fans of 489 00:42:51.039 --> 00:42:54.159 the book, like we're coming to the house being like, yeah, yeah, 490 00:42:54.199 --> 00:42:59.159 that's the Amityville Hower House. That's grim though, but then at the 491 00:42:59.159 --> 00:43:02.280 same time we're true podcasts, so like can we really talk. I wouldn't 492 00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:07.039 go to somebody's home though, I know, I know I wouldn't show up 493 00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:09.199 at somebody's home either. If the home was turned into a museum, heck, 494 00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:14.880 yeah I'm there because now it's open to the public commission. Yeah. 495 00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:21.360 But if it's someone's private home, no, that's their home. Feel like 496 00:43:21.360 --> 00:43:23.239 someone come into your house being like, oh, yeah, that's where you 497 00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:27.119 know. No for cose, this is my head. That's where Meghan lives. 498 00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:31.760 Wow, famous podcaster, amazing content writer. She often do that. 499 00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:36.920 But it didn't Like they did change the address, but it didn't stop people 500 00:43:36.920 --> 00:43:40.000 from coming because the house in the movie is essentially how the house looks in 501 00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:45.000 real life. Oh okay, so like it's easy to spot because it's on 502 00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:52.719 the fucking cover of the movie. Butch died on March twelfth, twenty twenty 503 00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:57.440 one, at the age of sixty nine, and from unknown causes. It 504 00:43:57.480 --> 00:44:00.880 was never released what killed him, but God for him, he had to 505 00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:07.519 serve a good chunk of prison life, which is what he deserved. M 506 00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:14.719 I'm pretty sure shame on the lux family for trying to cash in and well 507 00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:21.199 successfully cashing in on a really horrible, horrible crime. Yeah, and I 508 00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:25.440 think that's what the worst thing about this is is that the actual murder of 509 00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:34.519 children and two adults gets completely overshadowed by this like weird fake thing that the 510 00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:37.880 Warrens. And it's like they sejured up, you know, like they've seen 511 00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:44.840 movies and they've seen different things on like hauntings, and they just like took 512 00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:49.960 from it. Yeah, and it's saly one of them like admit that it 513 00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:53.239 was all fake. No, nobody's ever admitted it to being fake. I 514 00:44:53.239 --> 00:44:59.199 don't even know if any of them are alive anymore. I'm pretty sure their 515 00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:02.920 children they just don't want to talk about it. Yeah, of course. 516 00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:07.000 Well either way, if it was true or if it was fag, you 517 00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:10.480 wouldn't want to talk about it. No, it's traumatic either way. It's 518 00:45:10.480 --> 00:45:17.119 traumatic either way because your parents used you to like try create this like best 519 00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:21.440 selling novel. This happened to us, This is real life. No, 520 00:45:21.519 --> 00:45:23.920 it wasn't real life. Yeah, Like they placed you in the middle of 521 00:45:24.199 --> 00:45:27.960 all of it, even if it was real. They brought you to a 522 00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:35.440 house that had horrific things happen in it, and Kathy and George knew what 523 00:45:35.480 --> 00:45:42.280 they were moving into. And we're like, yeah, like we'll get famous 524 00:45:42.320 --> 00:45:45.199 off this. Yeah, twenty eight days is not really a long time. 525 00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:52.239 So that being said, if it was true, I wouldn't also be like, 526 00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:54.679 well, why did they wait so long to leave? If they did 527 00:45:54.719 --> 00:46:00.400 wait any longer, yes, and no, I would be like, but 528 00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:02.360 then you see in saying that, like you don't have the money to move 529 00:46:02.360 --> 00:46:06.679 out of these houses, do you know what I mean? Yeah, Like 530 00:46:06.760 --> 00:46:10.039 I'm pretty sure they bought the house for like half of what it was worth 531 00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:17.000 just because like the family died in it, and then they obviously lived there 532 00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:25.440 for a month, essentially created this story, and then sold it for millions 533 00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:31.760 and then the house went up in value because that's the famous house. Yeah, 534 00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:35.920 I don't know if that was my house and I died in it and 535 00:46:36.039 --> 00:46:40.559 people are profiting off of it, Like I'd be haunting this shit out of 536 00:46:40.599 --> 00:46:45.119 that house, you know, I do. I do. Think It's like 537 00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:49.599 like you're never going to know, like that's the you know, like you're 538 00:46:49.639 --> 00:46:52.320 never going to know what really happened the night the whole like the Dafaos were 539 00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:57.400 murdered, and then you're never really going to know what the lots actually experienced. 540 00:46:58.280 --> 00:47:00.480 MM. But it's just like for because it's like, if you did 541 00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:06.360 that just for money, you're sick. Yeah, Like a fucking family died 542 00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:09.320 and you're trying to like profit off it by saying that they're all haunting you. 543 00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:12.599 You didn't even wait a few years, you know. Yeah, like 544 00:47:12.639 --> 00:47:15.800 you just literally went straight in. Yeah. And then on top of that, 545 00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:21.519 then it's also sick for the Warrens to also try cash in on it. 546 00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:25.719 Yeah, that's the other thing. Like the Warrens, if we're correct 547 00:47:25.719 --> 00:47:31.880 and what we're saying, they did pollude with this family to be like either 548 00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:35.960 they were like, oh, yeah, your house is totally haunted. Let's 549 00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:38.960 we need to tell the world, or they literally sat in and we're like, 550 00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:43.320 okay, what can we make out of this? Yeah, like hey, 551 00:47:43.480 --> 00:47:45.880 if you call us and tell us all about these experiences, then we 552 00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:50.960 can like make it a bigger deal and then it'll be worth more. Like 553 00:47:51.039 --> 00:47:54.320 they did a two part like a TV special thing. I presume it's on 554 00:47:54.480 --> 00:48:00.280 like that public public channels. Yeah, but they like sat down and I'm 555 00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:04.920 basically for like for two hours or some shit, sat down and like talked 556 00:48:04.960 --> 00:48:09.360 about like what they experienced at the Amityville House. Yeah, you're like you're 557 00:48:09.400 --> 00:48:16.559 just greedy but fucking died, Like I know, like we're sitting here making 558 00:48:16.599 --> 00:48:21.679 a podcast on it, but like we're sitting making a podcast on it, 559 00:48:22.039 --> 00:48:28.000 telling the information of what happened, not being like And then I got lightheaded 560 00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:36.199 and tired. And that was definitely the Dafaos haunting me because I'm researching their 561 00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:44.639 case. Imagine like what, I'm sorry, excuse me. And then I 562 00:48:44.679 --> 00:48:49.599 had some unseen touches. And then there was slime on my wall. And 563 00:48:49.639 --> 00:48:54.159 then there's these mysterious stains on my toilet that was not literally just sounds like 564 00:48:54.199 --> 00:49:00.960 you have a child. And then there was like merker on my wall. 565 00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:07.360 Don't know where it came from, like pushing Anna out of the frame, 566 00:49:09.480 --> 00:49:15.559 and now Anna is seeing an imaginary friend. Yeah, and like kids don't 567 00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:21.840 make stuff up, you know, never never. That's all I got for 568 00:49:21.880 --> 00:49:24.320 you today, guys. I hope you really liked it. Next week, 569 00:49:24.320 --> 00:49:30.159 Megan's gonna tell us a story because it's my birfect. So I'm taking it 570 00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:35.519 off. I'm not well. No, I probably still research book. I'll 571 00:49:35.599 --> 00:49:39.559 like, you know, kill Yeah, I won't be like I gotta finish 572 00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:44.480 this. Yeah, and you deserve to chill, you've like, don't like 573 00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:47.679 four in a row. Yeah, but to be fair, the last one, 574 00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:52.360 we're supernatural. I know people actually died, but also they were supernatural 575 00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:54.400 and I got to bash on the real life wirens. So that's always fun. 576 00:49:54.760 --> 00:49:59.679 That's always a plus. Well, I had fun. Guess what happened 577 00:49:59.679 --> 00:50:01.440 to me to other day when I was in a shop Okay, I'll never 578 00:50:01.519 --> 00:50:12.480 guess, you get Yeah, I was walking minding my business in one of 579 00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:17.400 these aisles and somebody walked by and like burged into me, and I like 580 00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:22.519 fell into the shelf and I scraped my arm and it was bleeding and now 581 00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:25.639 it's a scap. I hope they have. I hope they have the week 582 00:50:25.679 --> 00:50:30.000 that they deserve. Yeah, they didn't even stop, didn't even say sorry 583 00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:37.199 or anything. Freaking rude. Yeah, super rude. Anyway, Sorry, 584 00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:40.000 It's just I could feel it, So that's okay. I needed to share 585 00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:45.320 that story. Then I burned the same rim on the oven later on in 586 00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:49.280 the day. I break my arm earlier on there on the oven taking stuff 587 00:50:49.280 --> 00:50:55.519 out of the oven and work the oven is like like five degrees. So 588 00:50:55.760 --> 00:51:00.559 I hope you enjoyed this week's episode. If you have and you have already 589 00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:02.800 done, so check out some of our other stuff. Last week, as 590 00:51:02.840 --> 00:51:07.519 I said, we talked about The Devil Made Me Do It, which is 591 00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:14.159 interesting because again it's about the Warrens. And then the week before that, 592 00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:21.639 I talked about Jack the Ripper. That was a two parter that was fun 593 00:51:21.920 --> 00:51:28.800 because I enjoyed the like really really old cases. They're fun. They're like 594 00:51:28.840 --> 00:51:32.159 fun to research, yeah, which I know sense fad, but it's like 595 00:51:32.239 --> 00:51:37.840 it's like old timey. Yeah, yeah, I get it. And if 596 00:51:37.880 --> 00:51:39.920 you wanted to, you could always check us out wherever you get your podcast, 597 00:51:39.960 --> 00:51:44.119 which obviously you already know because that's what we were listening to us, 598 00:51:44.119 --> 00:51:49.800 such as Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Please for the love of God to sponsor 599 00:51:49.880 --> 00:51:57.719 us already. 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