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for you, ask what you can
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myself, James Lilax. Today we
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a little bit too much on the
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the founders of ricochet dot com where
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look if you haven't before. I
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you've been looking for all these years, a home for sane civil center right

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conversation joined today. Why don't you
guys all right, a one week gone

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from last more protests. Hear about
what happened in Minneapolis. I did not,

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I didn't. I've been too sy. I have it here, right,

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every city's got their own. Well, we had a little had a

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little brujja, a little kerf fluffled
down by the Walker Art Center. People

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said it was in a highway,
but it wasn't. It's just a very

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broad street. He blocked it off
the street for a protest to free Palestine,

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and a confused old man who seems
to be a staple of these things,

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found his way into the crowd and
was swarmed by the protesters, who

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kicked at his car and the rest
of it, and then he had to

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pull out a yui, at which
point they started screaming, oh my god,

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oh my god, as though standing
in the trap. You know,

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standing in the middle of the street
doesn't kind of set yourself up for this.

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But what was interesting about this to
me is that there was a guy

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on a four wheeler going up and
down, up and with the Hammas flag,

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a very big Hammas flag on a
pole. And I thought this,

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I mean, you mean the triangle
thing, the green and white flag,

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or the Hammas flag, green background, white lettering, which somebody said,

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no, no, no, that's
that's the Saudi flag, as if these

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guys would have the Saudi flag.
No. I took a screenshot of it

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and I compared it to the actual
Hammas flag, and it's the Hammas flag.

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And I thought, first of all, where do you get a Hammas

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flag that size? On moments notice? Can you go to Amazon? Can

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you get one day delivery? Didn't
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It had been apparently ironed with care. What is somebody in Minnesota doing

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with a large Hammas flag waiting for
the opportunity to go up and down the

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street. And it was the malevolent
liberation that you see in these people when

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they're ripping off the posters, when
they're pounding on the doors and got trapped

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in the library. This to me
inexplicable joy in being able to finally voice

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these sentiments, to get it out
in the open, and that it's coming

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from the left, which is supposedly
just so steeped and intersexuality and identitydi and

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that they're the ones who seem to
have manifested the most ancient of all of

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the human hatreds in our society is
stunning to stunning, absolutely that you would

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with pride fly the flag of the
people who raped ladies so hard their pelvis

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is broke, because finally you've got
this revolutionary violence that you can just steep

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yourself in and it nourishes every neuron
that you've been suppressing for how long it

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is stunning to find this erupting over
and over and over again. You guys,

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either side of the country, you've
seen it happen where you are,

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right, Yeah, I mean it
happens in New York. It's happened Cooper

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Union, about four blocks from mind. People would tell people, tell people

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what Cooper Union is. Well,
it's an ancient American college. It's been

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around forever, and I've been lucky
enough to actually be on stage in the

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Cooper Union basement, which is where
Abraham Lincoln spoke correct although a slightly different,

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apparently slightly different layout, it's a
terrible, terrible, terrible room.

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It is one of the worst venues
speaking venues in all of New York City.

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Has giant pillars that obstruct view no
matter where, like, no matter

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where you are, you can't actually
see the stage. It's a very It

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feels very nineteenth century to me,
like they we built it, and then

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we put stuff stuff in the basement, and we're going to make Abraham Lincoln

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speak here, but no one's going
to be able to see. I think

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there are no somebody took notes,
somebody overheard Lincoln backstage saying I can't work

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like this, I can't work this
way. So there's a protest that was

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supposed to be outside. You know, pre Palestine protests for the freeing Palestine

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always seemed to be very interesting,
like I'm in favor of freeing it too,

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from the clutches of Hamas and the
Arab states that funded But they don't

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mean they don't mean that. They
don't say, but they don't say free

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Gaza. Right, it's peal aste, So anyway, go on, right.

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So so there was a protest and
then it got ugly, and then

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the press stay outside and it moved
inside. But the bitter irony here or

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not irony like echo, is that
there were some Jewish students inside in the

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library and they could be seen for
the windows, the windows on I think

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it's fourth Avenue, you can look
right in. And they began to be

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taunted by the crowd outside, and
they were told they should just go and

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hide and the I don't think this
is exactly true, but apparently somebody on

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the staff said, if you want, you can go upstairs and you can

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behind in the attic, which is
just almost too perfect to say, Like

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it's one of those things that you're
saying. If you're writing this, you

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say, well, this it's too
good to check, And if you're writing

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it in a script, you'd say, I don't know too, this is

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too rich. You know. It's
the strange kind of mental illness that the

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need to be part. You need
to make a far away drama, your

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drama, and a far away conflict, your conflict. You demanding the Palestine

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should be free, just like the
United States should be free. It's so

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weird and such a neurotic behavior in
the part of American progressives who but it

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is not accompanied. I mean,
say what you like about Karl Marx,

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say what you like about Paul Pott. They knew their history, they'd actually

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done the work. Paul Pott was
an insane psychopath. But it wasn't like

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you wasn't educated. These people do
if you put a gun to their head

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and said explain to me what happened
in nineteen forty eight or nineteen seventy three

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or nineteen sixty eight, or the
Zionist movement in the late nineteenth century.

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Explain that they wouldn't be able to
They wouldn't be able to give you even

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the Wikipedia top paragraph of that,
just the level of I mean, that's

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what I said to a friend of
mine. I have a friend, a

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friend somebody admire a lot. Young
guy is a young I don't know.

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I don't know he's an American citizen, but he was in he was maybe

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he's an Israeli citizen. Young guy
flew home from his legal startup he was

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doing. He's doing a legal startup
somewhere in Florida, and he flew home

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to join the IDF. He's a
reservist. He's he's there and every now

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and then I get pictures from him
and he's, you know, standing there

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and you know, with his old
unit. And I was talking to him

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earlier and he was asking about this, like what's happening back there. If

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I moved back to New York City, should I have a gun? Should

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I get a gun? I said, probably not New York City, because

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if you're forced to use the gun
in New York City, they will find

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a way to put you in jail, you know, say in Florida where

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they want right. Right, But
he said, what's happening? And I

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just the only thing I come up
with is that it's a new pandemic here.

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It's a pandemic of stupid and that
all these kids are wrong, and

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they're emotional and they're emotionally wrong,
but they're also dumb. It isn't just

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that Harvard and Northwestern and Cooper Union
and all the other universities are teaching them

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crackpot values and crackpot theories. It's
that they are not teaching them history.

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They don't know anything. In a
debate with these children, if you ask

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them, all right, we're gonna
have a real debate, means you have

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to stop screaming, You're gonna have
to listen and make an argument. They

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could not marshal the facts. They
could not marshal the facts in a normal

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debate because they don't know them.
You don't need the facts if you know

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the truth. Yeah, but this
is a yeah, but this is part.

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This is the problem I think with
us in our culture is that we

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had just it's just a strange therapized
emotional culture where screaming is argument. And

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it seems very strange because we've never
had more ability, we never had more

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tools to our at our disposal to
have an actual debate. I mean,

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you could have an online debate online
with anybody in the world, and you

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can. Wikipedia is available to everyone. You could tell me what happened in

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nineteen forty eight if you wanted to, or nineteen seventy three. You could

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marshal those arguments, but no one
wants to. It's very strange. We've

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never been we've ever had more of
a more capability to exchange interesting, thoughtful,

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even very very different views, and
been so disinclined to do that.

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That means equivocating, That means right, that means equivocating with evil. Though,

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if you argue with people about these
things, if you discuss forty eight

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and seventy three, then you are
arguing with evil because they know what the

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truth is, and the truth is
frankly colonization, and that's all you need

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to know. Settlers, that's all
you need to know. And oppressive power

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balances. That is an extremely simple
prism through which not a rainbow emerges but

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one simple color, and that's the
blinding white of their particular truth. So

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I mean, it's irritating to them
to actually have to discuss these things because

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they are irrelevant. History is irrelevant, it's all. It's anyway, Peter,

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before we go to our guest,
anything from you on what brother label

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stated so eloquently the piece of the
history. Of course, I agree with

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everything that Rob says. And it
is astonishing that so many of these protests

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are taking place at elite campuses where
the kids are demonstrably very intelligent and by

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contemporary standards, exquisitely educated. They
know nothing about the history of Israel or

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so called Palate. It's just nothing, nothing at all. But the other

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thing that they don't know. They
don't know why Israel exists, why we

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feel a special America has felt a
special obligation to Israel, why Harry Truman

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recognized the state of Israel mere minutes, literally, only minutes after it declared

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itself an independent country. They don't
know the history of the Holocaust, this

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distinctive, this singular event in all
of human history. And what's shocking to

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me is that I thought that still
got taught. I can remember one of

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my mother's friends bringing her mother,
so this would be sort of my grandparents'

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generation over to our house for coffee
one time and my mother, I was

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a little kid, and my mother
calling me over. It must have been

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during the summer because I was home
from school, so it was three ladies

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and I'm out playing. My mother
called me over and I was shown that

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the older woman turned over her arm
and I was shown numbers on her arm.

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Yeah, and my mother said,
well, we'll discuss this later,

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but I wanted you to see this. You needed to see this. And

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I thought that kind of my mother's
I mean a Christian upstate New York small

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town, if that kind of respect
for what had happened, that kind of

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consciousness for what had happened in the
Second World War penetrated to middle class probably,

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I guess we were in the lower
half of the middle class in a

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small town in upstate New York.
I thought it had kind of penetrated permanently

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don't taunt Jewish students through the windows of

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Well, we were talking about the
zesty events nationally and internationally, but

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of course what really grips the mind
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House situation which now thankfully our long
national nightmare being over, and everybody's trying

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to figure out exactly who this guy
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Times MSNBC. I'm sure it's fulminating. Rachel Maddow's crying somewhere. What do

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we know? What we think?
You've written a lot about influencers taking over

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our institutions. Was this an example
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noisy people dominating in shaping national politics
or what's going on here? Well?

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Yes, I mean I think in
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of that. Matt Gates is an
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political actor. I think the outcome
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that front. And you know,
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their time now trying to figure out
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If you were if you were a
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Congress, you would probably choose Mike
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decided what to call the speaker.
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is not an influencer pretending to be
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involved in the Republican Study Committee,
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to the degree that House members are. So this certainly started as an

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example of influencer politics, but it
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We'll see what we've ended up with
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the ins and outs of American politics, and you're the expert on American institutions.

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But you know what, I myself
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were just talking about the pro rob
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where there was a pro Palestinian protest? Was it yesterday or the day before

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yesterday, which seems to have culminated
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of this great institution which is am
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thought they clearly, as Rob was
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the basics of the history of the
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God there are arguments to be made, but they can't make them. They

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have no idea what they're doing.
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is I thought, in this country, kids were I'm still taught to respect

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this singular event in human history of
the Holocaust. And you don't do that.

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You just don't do that. And
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anti Semitism is taking place in city
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I just have to ask what you
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something really new here, at least
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that anti Semitism is new. I
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writing in public with a very Jewish
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constantly, but in a very low
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and I've been able to sort of
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mind and say that's not really the
essence of what happens in America. To

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American Jews, this is the safest
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history. It's safer than Israel.
It's safer than anywhere has ever been.

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I do think that what we've seen
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of the liberation, freeing up of
a kind of underlying anti Semitism that is

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really extraordinary, and it's already fairly
widespread. It's not just on university campuses,

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though it does seem to have emanated
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going to get worse, because clearly
what Israel has to do in the coming

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weeks is going to create more excuses
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place that's going to compel a lot
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this really does seem to happen in
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that we're somehow beyond it, and
that we have to think about how to

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keep our children safe and to work
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general understands that this is not what
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this isn't the centerpiece of the conversation. But you just said Israel is going

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to have to do certain kinds of
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military question in Gaza? I've heard
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have to admit I wonder myself.
After Munich, Israel created a list of

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the bad guys who had murdered Israeli
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it went after them and it took
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kind of we're all bracing ourselves for
a street to street fighting in Gaza,

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for a horrible ground invasion. What
is the military situation? Why is that

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required this time instead of some list
of the top fifty Hamas bad guys that

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they if they have, it may
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go after them. They could go
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require a big, horrifying mission on
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so to speak, as the Munich
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Peter, first of all, this
is not my expertise. I care

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about it a lot and watch it
closely as an observer, and you follow

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I was you're an expert on everything. As an expert on everything, it's

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dangerous to pretend to be an expert
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pretend to be an expert on this. I will say this as as someone

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who observes it and tries to do
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Munich. This is not a This
is not a small group of operatives taking

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on attacking a small group of Israelis
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world. Hamas governs Gazam, whether
we like it or not. It has

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been in charge of Gaza for fifteen
years. It has developed an extraordinary infrastructure

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of terrorist militancy there. And it
is clear after what happened at the beginning

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of the month that that means that
Israel is unsafe. What they did was

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on a scale that Israel has not
experienced before, and an attack on civilians,

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on an attack on Jews that has
not happened since the on a scale

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has not happened at the end of
the Holocaust, an attack on civilians that

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Israel has not seen before. And
the idea that you can just assign blame

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for that to some small list of
people and make sure that those are taken

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out. Israel can certainly do that, but I think they're of the view

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now that they have to change the
reality on the ground because they cannot be

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safe as long as Gaza is governed
by the people who made the decision to

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do this. And I think they're
right. Hey, you've all, thanks

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for joining us. I'm going to
try to thread the needle here and sow

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two things together. Putin invades Ukraine. Serious thing happening. China seems to

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be making incredible moves as not just
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and mischief maker. And it's joining
forces with probably Iran, probably Russia,

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who knows Hamas is emboldened to invade
Israel. And it was like a fourteen

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hundred little Manson family murders. Incredible, right, serious, This is serious,

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serious stuff. And the Republican Party
is now led by what you call

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influencers. The UN, which is
this institution not too far from me,

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has been sitting on its hands for
two years while a member country is invaded

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by another member country. It's been
did about what to say about this Manson

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family murder that occurred in Israel.
It has no perspective on or position on

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anything that's really happening in the world
in which people are dying. The head

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of a rand a Ran foreign ministry
comes to the UN in New York City,

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threatens the United States and the Republicans
are led by influencers and the say

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what you like. I mean,
I my bonafides on my opinion about Trump

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is well known. But he is
at the best, He's an erratic and

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unreliable leader. How much trouble are
we in? Yeah, yeah, I

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mean, look, I worry about
this a lot. And I think that

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it's become perfectly clear that we're entering
a serious moment of real gravity in the

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world. And it does seem to
me that what we're witnessing is the result

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of calculations made by our enemies that
we are not up to the such challenges.

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I hope they're wrong. I think
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I think Hamas made that kind of
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turn out to be wrong. They
looked at mass protests and they thought mass

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protests mean the regime's about the fall, and they were wrong about that.

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But we don't have in the United
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party that it would take to seriously
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I do think we've been fortunate in
our country that moments like this have

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over time drawn out of the woodwork
serious leaders. You can look at nineteenth

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century America and you know, in
the eighteen fifties you could not imagine a

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Lincoln arising because our leaders were petty
and juvenile idiots. And that person did

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arise because it seemed like the public
was looking for someone who wasn't a dithering

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fool. I hope that American voters
are in a place now where they begin

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to look for someone who is in
a dithering fool. I think we have

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some people who might not be dithering
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our leaders don't strike me as being
up to the challenge. And I

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hate to say it, I think
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but it's going to require political leaders
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be made, who understand that this
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way. And after a generation of
influencer politics, they're not there, They're

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not ready and again I hope it
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broken record on this, and everyone
will roll their eyes. They always do,

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because I'm just old fifty eight.
And all I could think of was

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that the last president that we had
who was a robust speaker and a noisy

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speaker, who said robust and noisy
things and put a lot of the fear

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of God into our enemies and to
even to his political enemies, was Ronald

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Reagan. But we never thought he
wasn't serious. We never thought when he

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said, well, I'm going to
win win the Cold War, that he

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wasn't going to win it. An
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or even a senator should be saying
it is time to evict the United Nations

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from the United States. It is
a useless, sclerotic, and impotent world

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organization that does nothing but aid and
a bet mass murder. But there's no

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I don't think there's a I can't
think of a candidate who could say that.

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And I wouldn't just think that this
is just noise. Trump says it

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is just noise. If Biden said
it, I wouldn't believe him. I

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mean, don't we need somebody I'm
not asking for somebody to give me the

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establishment Republican. Well, we're going
to, like you, negotiate and go

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through the channels and we're going to
have a peace process. I'm just looking

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for somebody to say something that way. I believe that he or she's actually

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going to do it in as noisy
and robust a way as possible. To

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give me some of that Reagan.
You know, that's what I'm looking for.

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Just like, just give me a
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one hundred percent. We'll just give
me sixty five percent Reagan. And I'm

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in, is there? Do you
have any evidence that's happening other than your

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faith in historically that it happens.
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think I guess I'd say a few
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dismissive of Reagan in this way too, and he had to prove himself and

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show that he meant what he said. And you know, we should look

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for people who at least have the
potential to prove themselves, who at least

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are saying what needs to be said, and who seem to have lived a

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life that suggests they might be able
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a kind of demand side issue here. Voters will need to be dissatisfied with

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the unseeriousness of the options they have
in order for a more serious option to

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emerge. And that option may not
look like what we expect. It may

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not be the blustering general type to
begin with. You know, if you

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think about where Reagan came from and
what he was in the national consciousness before

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or Abraham Lincoln, the least educated
person who had ever run for president at

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that time, it was easy for
his opponents to say I had a third

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grade education. He did. He
never went to college. But the country

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looked at him and saw something serious
and deep. And yeah, I think

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it will take leaders emerging in response
to public demand, and that public demand

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has not been there. The moment
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that I see somebody in the wings
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that's the person we need to be
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well, before you join us,
I was trying out a new theory.

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I try to monitor Emily theory really
more of like a little phrase,

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you know, see if I can
get a phrase in the national lexico,

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and like eventually be you know,
in a quotation book. It seems to

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me that we you know, we
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now we have another one that's actually
worse. It's the pandemic of stupid and

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it starts in places that you're not
supposed to find that much stupid, which

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is university campuses, but it also
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Republican influencers and I'm wondering what constitution
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says, if you've got a thin
majority, you got to make deals.

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You may not like to make deals, you may not want to. It

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may be counter to your political philosophy, your political beliefs, So that's perfectly

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legitimate. You can disagree all you
want, but if you want to actually

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get something done, or even if
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you're going to have to make deals. That's just mash And it just seems

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to me that it's a very strange
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influencers, I mean the squad,

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the left wing influencers, that they
believe that somehow their job is not to

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govern, but to get followers.
And maybe that's true, but it does

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seem to be coming up the works. I think that in some ways this

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extends further than that. What we're
seeing is a serial failure of collective action

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that results from the fact that our
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The core insight of our system of
government is you can only get anything

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done by building a coalition. To
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not even enough, as it is
in some of the parliamentary democracies. You

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have to build a broad coalition,
and that means you always have to think

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about how to get more people to
come on board and agree to what you

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think most needs to be done.
Our political parties exist to broaden coalitions.

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Our institutions, Congress in particular,
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Our politicians now do not think in
those terms. Both of our parties have

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operated as minority parties now for thirty
years, since the middle of the nineteen

409
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nineties. Neither of them has looked
like what a majority looks like in the

410
00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:15.319
American tradition, and they're both kind
of satisfied with that. They each of

411
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:19.480
them thinks it could win the next
election by just getting its existing voters out,

412
00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:22.079
and of course they're not wrong.
They could either of them could win

413
00:32:22.119 --> 00:32:23.640
the next election that way, because
we're at a fifty to fifty point.

414
00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:25.920
But neither of them is thinking,
how do I get to a point where

415
00:32:25.960 --> 00:32:31.240
sixty percent of the public will even
consider voting for me? And so they're

416
00:32:31.240 --> 00:32:36.160
not learning that this isn't working.
They're not being shocked by a big loss

417
00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:39.240
into changing direction, and they're not
being rewarded for a big win. They're

418
00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:44.519
stuck in a place where they don't
think coalitionally. I think that's what's happening

419
00:32:44.519 --> 00:32:49.400
electorally, and it's what's happening within
Congress. And the failure think coalitionally means

420
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:53.720
our system cannot work. If politicians
don't see that they need more supporters in

421
00:32:53.799 --> 00:33:00.400
order to succeed, then the constitution
really can't function. I think at this

422
00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:04.640
point they've they've blinded themselves to it
because of the nature of our political culture

423
00:33:04.640 --> 00:33:08.640
and of that kind of influencer culture, performance culture. What can shock them

424
00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:12.039
out of it is a big loss. And so in a sense, we

425
00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:15.359
need one of our parties to lose. It would probably be better for the

426
00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:17.400
party that loses than for the party
that wins if that were to happen.

427
00:33:19.160 --> 00:33:22.359
But they've both managed to eke out
these fifty to fifty elections for long enough

428
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:27.920
that they don't remember how our system
works. It's funny about these big losses.

429
00:33:27.960 --> 00:33:31.839
The last big loss for the Republicans, the major last, the famous

430
00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:37.720
one right nineteen sixty four, Barry
Goldwall. And there are I know many

431
00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:39.519
Conservatives who say, yeah, you
know, the Goldwater loss was bad,

432
00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:46.279
but you know what it teed up
Reagan sixteen years later and a great society

433
00:33:46.519 --> 00:33:53.680
later, and an enormous welfare state
later, and details or Vietnam later,

434
00:33:54.720 --> 00:34:00.559
at Watergate later, the idea that
that was a price to pay. Whereas

435
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:05.319
I look at I mean, you
know, God bless them. The drubbing

436
00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:10.000
that Walter Mondale took, which was
would have been worse had Reagan decided to

437
00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:19.360
a campaign in Mondale's own state,
set up a very successful two term presidency

438
00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:22.320
in Bill Clinton. Well right,
But I would say the Democrats would say

439
00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:27.119
the same thing. What that took
was three presidential elections in a row,

440
00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:30.679
one by the other party, and
someone was even more than that. We

441
00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:36.880
had seven presidential elections in which one
Democrat won. Between nineteen sixty eight and

442
00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:42.599
nineteen ninety two, you had two
two term Republican presidents and one one term

443
00:34:42.599 --> 00:34:45.199
Republican president. I think that felt
to them like what the period between sixty

444
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:51.039
four and eighty felt like. Two
Republicans they just kept losing, and that's

445
00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:54.920
what it took to knock them out
of their of their stupor and find somebody

446
00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:59.559
who could win by appealing to the
middle of the country. I think that

447
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:02.320
loss on that scale a set of
losses. You could say, Republicans lost

448
00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:07.159
in two thousand and eight pretty decisively, but they decided we'll just do it

449
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:10.039
again and it'll be fine, And
eventually it did feel that way. I

450
00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:15.320
think a real loss would help the
party that loses as much as it would

451
00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:22.119
help the country in general. Yeah, three victories. It took three victories

452
00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:24.800
by Margaret Thatcher to squeeze the Marxist
out of the Labor Party and produce Tony

453
00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:31.760
Blair. Same kind of thing,
you fall. You're talking about things that

454
00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:38.880
take time. And of course we
were all raised on the notion that our

455
00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:45.840
democracy is mighty in its wrath but
slow to anger. So Franklin Roosevelt engages

456
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:51.400
in the lend lease program to help
Britain, help Churchill remain afloat through nineteen

457
00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:54.920
forty. But it takes Pearl Harbor
and then we turn it around, all

458
00:35:55.039 --> 00:36:00.199
right, Harry Truman. The Cold
War, as you know, Harry Truman,

459
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:06.440
is extremely reluctant as we're bringing troops
home. It takes Britain's collapse in

460
00:36:06.519 --> 00:36:13.519
Greece and Turkey to force Truman to
announce the Truman doctrine. We move slowly,

461
00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:17.920
and of course the old But as
far as I can tell, true

462
00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:23.239
observation about the bad guys is over
time they're weak. They don't have the

463
00:36:23.320 --> 00:36:28.559
kind of unified country that we can
have, But in the short term they

464
00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:32.760
can move decisively China does. What
is this astounding thing that a nation of

465
00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:38.880
one point three billion people will do
whatever one man decides putin How the chain

466
00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:45.880
of command in Russia continues to remain
intact enough for him to send young Russian

467
00:36:45.159 --> 00:36:51.039
men to get slaughtered in Ukraine,
I do not know, but it does.

468
00:36:51.639 --> 00:36:54.960
He's still in charge in that country. This strange murky to me.

469
00:36:55.119 --> 00:37:01.639
At least chain of command that runs
from Tehran through southern Lebanon and into Gaza

470
00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:08.159
somehow or other it holds and they
can move quickly. Do we have related

471
00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:12.920
I'll give you a little add a
little pieceAn and then shut up and just

472
00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:15.840
drop this in your lap. Do
we have time this time? And in

473
00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:21.599
particular, if you look at the
front page of the New York Times already,

474
00:37:21.679 --> 00:37:27.880
what we're seeing is understandably it's a
human impulse, but we're seeing increasing

475
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:34.119
sympathy in the press for the ordinary
people of Gaza who are now without electricity.

476
00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:40.400
Adducted to all of this. How
does Israel continue to operate in a

477
00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:45.599
world in which public opinion plays such
a central role, and in which I

478
00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:49.519
have great respect, of course for
the IDEF. But they need us,

479
00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:52.519
They need our intel, they need
us to resupply them, they need our

480
00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:57.280
two carrier groups in the Eastern med
to secure their northern flank. And they

481
00:37:57.320 --> 00:38:00.880
need us, and we have to
operate under conditions in which the New York

482
00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:07.119
Times is not helpful. How do
we do this? Well, look,

483
00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:14.000
that's obviously a horribly difficult question.
Do we have time? I do think

484
00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:17.679
we have time. The question is
whether we have the will. I don't

485
00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:22.480
think we should overestimate the strength of
our enemies. I don't think we should

486
00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:29.400
overestimate their boldness. They are weaker
than us if we are up to our

487
00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:35.320
full strength. My worry, therefore, is largely domestic. I think we

488
00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:38.440
are not, in this moment up
to our full strength. You know,

489
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:43.960
could America handle this moment in the
world, Yes, But are we up

490
00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:47.400
to it right now? We are
not, And I think that that requires

491
00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:55.000
a sobering up on the part of
the American public to put in office people

492
00:38:55.039 --> 00:39:00.760
who take seriously this challenge. And
I don't know whether what we're seeing in

493
00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:06.639
the world now will make for that
sobering up, and whether voters will be

494
00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:09.079
able to perceive who's up to this
and who's not. I would say that

495
00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:13.519
we have a pretty good track record
as a country of being able to rise

496
00:39:13.559 --> 00:39:16.599
to occasions like this, But track
record is not enough. You know,

497
00:39:16.760 --> 00:39:23.039
history is full of this worked until
it didn't stories. I do have a

498
00:39:23.079 --> 00:39:27.719
lot of confidence in our system,
I really do. I don't think there's

499
00:39:27.719 --> 00:39:31.920
anyone you'd rather be than the United
States of America. But our system requires

500
00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:37.119
something of us. It requires a
certain kind of responsibility, a capacity to

501
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:42.320
make adult judgments in serious moments,
and so this is a test for all

502
00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:46.280
of us. It's not just a
test for other people judgments. Yeah,

503
00:39:46.679 --> 00:39:50.599
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these days. Hey, I've got to

504
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and this the Ricochet podcast. I
share your enthusion, I share your faith

533
00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:55.400
because you look back at nineteen forty
one and you don't think that a lot

534
00:41:55.400 --> 00:41:58.880
of Americans were saying, well,
you know, when I put Hitler in

535
00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:04.760
the long context of Prussian militarism in
nineteenth century machinations, I know what's going

536
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:07.400
on. They just knew there was
a bad guy, and they knew that

537
00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:09.960
there was a fight to come and
that we had to win it. Today,

538
00:42:10.199 --> 00:42:15.320
we're in a bit of a difficult
position because we've had twenty thirty years

539
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:19.519
of institutional rot in our educational systems. It seems to have drained from an

540
00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:22.719
entire generation the idea of Western exceptionalism. Rob mentioned before that we're in an

541
00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:27.119
age of stupid, which seems so, But the people who are at the

542
00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:34.199
universities are themselves not intellectually challenged.
What they are is spending four or five

543
00:42:34.440 --> 00:42:40.000
very expensive years necked deep in a
warm bath of anti Western thought. That

544
00:42:40.159 --> 00:42:45.840
makes them feel special because they are
no longer tied to one particular culture or

545
00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:51.039
nation, nationalism being a thing of
the past, but they are transnational world

546
00:42:51.079 --> 00:42:54.000
citizens who know how to bring about
the utopia to come. So how do

547
00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:59.400
you steal a generation of people,
a population of people whose ideology and basic

548
00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:06.840
thought is is post national, is
post western? Is somehow they've all put

549
00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:10.000
in their membership to be members of
the Federation. The moment it happens and

550
00:43:10.119 --> 00:43:14.320
start Trek becomes reality in six or
seven months or so, how do you

551
00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:19.719
get the spine of the West back? Yeah, I do think that's the

552
00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:23.079
question. You know, those stories
of how Harvard Yale emptied out the Monday

553
00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:28.599
after Pearl Harbor because all the students
left to sign up, That would not

554
00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:34.320
happen now, I think now,
fortunately, we're not dependent on Harvard Yale.

555
00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:37.800
It would be very bad if we
were. And so, yes,

556
00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:43.880
those places are I mean, look, they never really were where the best

557
00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:46.639
of America was, but they certainly
are now where the worst of America is.

558
00:43:49.719 --> 00:43:52.239
They're not where the bulk of America
is. And I think the question

559
00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:59.039
is about the capacity for judgment on
the part of that median American. That

560
00:43:59.079 --> 00:44:04.159
median American is not a Harvard grad
doesn't really care or all that much know

561
00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:08.559
what's happening on the campuses. But
the culture in which that person is formed

562
00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:14.519
has been very shaped by what happens
on those campuses for two generations now.

563
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:22.639
And the question is whether that has
undermined our basic instincts and judgments, our

564
00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:27.079
habits and abilities. It is a
question. I mean. The reason that

565
00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:30.400
I'm worried is that it is a
question. We have not been tested in

566
00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:37.719
that way lately. And I have
confidence in our country that that judgment is

567
00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:43.440
there, that that capacity to tell
that this is a moment where there is

568
00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:46.639
an evil to be confronted, and
that that does require a certain kind of

569
00:44:46.639 --> 00:44:51.800
seriousness, a certain kind of gravity. It's not a national mobilization, this

570
00:44:51.920 --> 00:44:55.159
isn't World War two, but it
does require an exercise of a certain kind

571
00:44:55.199 --> 00:45:00.360
of judgment. I have confidence that
it will be there because we're Americans.

572
00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:04.079
But I wouldn't say that I have
confidence because we have a huge amount of

573
00:45:04.119 --> 00:45:07.760
evidence about contemporary America on that front. It is in that sense, faith

574
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:12.840
more than confidence, right, that
worries me when I whenever I share,

575
00:45:12.920 --> 00:45:15.719
I share your sentiment, but I
also have to say that whenever I do

576
00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:19.719
so, I feel like Winston Smith
standing at the window with Julia looking out

577
00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:22.000
and saying if there's any hope it
will be the proles, you know.

578
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:27.000
So here's the thing, though,
is that there's always been in when you

579
00:45:27.079 --> 00:45:30.679
said that we've had the culture shaped
by two generations of these people, that's

580
00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:32.960
true, and a lot of Middle
of America fall over country, whatever you

581
00:45:34.039 --> 00:45:36.639
want to call it, has got
along with it to some extent because it's

582
00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:42.119
fun, because a more liberated,
looser culture provides more opportunity for getting out

583
00:45:42.159 --> 00:45:45.360
from whatever strictures you were brought into. But they also, i think,

584
00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:49.880
recognize that there's a limit to all
this and that cultures cannot go viyemar forever

585
00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:52.599
because then they fall apart and are
replaced by something worse. So they've always

586
00:45:52.599 --> 00:46:00.159
had the you know, an a
cultural distrust of elites and I hate that

587
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:02.639
word, who manipulate and use a
massage culture and the rest of But what

588
00:46:02.719 --> 00:46:07.679
you haven't had though until now,
until post October seventh, is people on

589
00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:09.559
the left looking at these institutions and
all of a sudden saying, wait a

590
00:46:09.599 --> 00:46:15.639
minute, hold on, look what
they're allowing. We're not going to give

591
00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:20.079
any money to these people. And
so you have the donors who are backing

592
00:46:20.079 --> 00:46:22.719
off from this. Do you think
that this sort of revulsion that you find

593
00:46:22.840 --> 00:46:29.159
on the the decent parts of the
left is going to fade, and they'll

594
00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:34.119
go back to the usual respect for
these institutions. Or whether or not there's

595
00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:37.800
some fundamental psychic break that took place
after October seventh where they look at these

596
00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:40.719
places and say, oh, oh, they are wells of poison. I

597
00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:45.920
think it's too soon to say.
And certainly the appeal of being a donor

598
00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:51.480
to your own moderate is just so
peculiar to me that I don't really know

599
00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:55.760
how to analyze it, because I
just can't figure out why many serious people

600
00:46:55.800 --> 00:47:01.920
will put a lot of money into
having a building name for them where young

601
00:47:01.960 --> 00:47:08.679
Americans are perverted, are turned into
something less than what they were before.

602
00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:12.760
I don't know why you would want
that to happen in a place named for

603
00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:16.440
your family, but so be it. I think some of that is going

604
00:47:16.480 --> 00:47:22.519
to resume. Some of these donors
are going are going to lose their stomach

605
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:29.800
here. But the bigger question to
me is ultimately again whether the country in

606
00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:32.880
general. I don't think that October
seven is going to save the University of

607
00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:38.239
Pennsylvania. I don't know what could. I don't think that's it. But

608
00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:42.599
that's not really the question for us. The question for us is whether the

609
00:47:42.679 --> 00:47:47.719
United States is going to be up
to a challenging twenty first century. Thankfully,

610
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:52.960
that is a much more open question
than whether the University of Pennsylvania is

611
00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:57.440
going to get turned around, and
it is an open question. I do

612
00:47:57.519 --> 00:48:00.760
think there are reasons for us to
believe that that that we can manage that.

613
00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:06.119
But it's going to take public argument. It's going to take public persuasion.

614
00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:10.920
It's going to take leaders who present
themselves as offering that path to the

615
00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:15.440
country, and it's going to take
voters who want to do it. Americans

616
00:48:15.440 --> 00:48:22.079
have risen from slumbers and stupors before
to make serious decisions, and so I

617
00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:23.599
hope we can do it again.
But you know, hope is not a

618
00:48:23.599 --> 00:48:28.440
strategy, and there's a lot of
work to do. All you've I'm glad

619
00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:30.800
you said what you said a moment
ago, because you have now. I've

620
00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:35.760
been taught trying so long to talk
Rob out of it, but he's determined

621
00:48:36.920 --> 00:48:40.960
to set up the at Yale,
the Rob Long Center for the Perversion of

622
00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:45.800
American Youth, and I think now
you may finally have it. Raise a

623
00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:52.119
lot of money listen you've all as
they've listened to you. I have to

624
00:48:52.239 --> 00:49:00.519
admit I've felt some of the old
speechwriter's instinct here Ron DeSantis, Nikki Haley.

625
00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:08.920
Suppose one of these candidates said I
need to record a talking head straight

626
00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:16.639
to camera two minutes to twelve or
even fifteen minutes to YouTube to say two

627
00:49:16.840 --> 00:49:22.119
people in their kitchens and living rooms
and wherever they watch YouTube, that we

628
00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:28.960
are in a different moment, and
I understand it. What should what are

629
00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:35.480
the three or four sentences that Nikki
Halley or Rond de Santis, or any

630
00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:42.199
candidate you'd care to name should say
right now. Well, that's a hard

631
00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:45.280
question, Peter, and your better
position to answer it than I am.

632
00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:51.480
But I do think that you have
to speak to the country about this moment.

633
00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:55.159
I think people realize at some level
that what we're seeing is the end

634
00:49:55.199 --> 00:50:00.559
of a phase in which it has
been possible for us to be on and

635
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:07.039
lack a day's ago, and it
is ending. The world won't just stand

636
00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:13.119
by and give us the room to
be juvenile forever. And it's evident that

637
00:50:13.119 --> 00:50:17.199
that is changing, and what that
requires of us is leadership that takes the

638
00:50:17.239 --> 00:50:22.800
moment seriously. The country has the
resources to rise to the moment. The

639
00:50:22.840 --> 00:50:27.920
country has the capacity to do it, but leadership matters thinking about how to

640
00:50:28.000 --> 00:50:31.199
position those resources, how to think
about that capacity, what it would mean

641
00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:37.599
to stand by our friends, what
it would mean to oppose our enemies.

642
00:50:37.239 --> 00:50:43.119
And it's not a call for mobilizing
everybody. We're not going to war ourselves

643
00:50:43.239 --> 00:50:45.480
right now, that's not We're trying
to avoid that to avert that, not

644
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:51.440
to engage in that. But that
will require strength, that will require seriousness,

645
00:50:51.480 --> 00:50:58.000
will require conveying to the world that
the United States understands this moment and

646
00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:02.079
is up to leading through it.
And you know that that's what a leader

647
00:51:02.119 --> 00:51:08.280
has to convey and show and do. I think the leaders we have just

648
00:51:08.360 --> 00:51:13.360
now are not the people who are
going to do that, and so it

649
00:51:13.400 --> 00:51:15.519
will take somebody else. Maybe one
of these people running for president is up

650
00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:19.079
to it. Maybe not. They'll
have to prove it to us somehow.

651
00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:22.239
But I think that ultimately, you've
got to speak about the moment, You've

652
00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:25.280
got to speak about the country,
and you've got to speak about how the

653
00:51:25.360 --> 00:51:30.159
latter can meet the form I can
take or leave Yale, but thank goodness

654
00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:34.280
for the American Enterprise Institute, and
you've all even you've all did you know

655
00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:38.639
Nathan Wurtzel, Yes, yes,
in passing, but yes, right,

656
00:51:38.719 --> 00:51:42.199
I did a lot of us on
Twitter. Yeah, a fighter, a

657
00:51:42.199 --> 00:51:45.840
fighter and a am and he passed
this week. To lose him in this

658
00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:51.280
moment is especially, is especially.
I just wanted to call that out here

659
00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:52.920
in the podcast because I'm sure a
lot of people who listen also followed him

660
00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:55.119
and were saddened by as well as
me, his memory be a blessing.

661
00:51:55.599 --> 00:51:59.760
Well, thank you so much,
Thank you very much. We'll talk again

662
00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:02.440
and drops in happier times and if
they are darker times, then we look

663
00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:08.320
forward to your your ray of hope
and that you can provide or of course

664
00:52:08.360 --> 00:52:14.760
you're absolutely corus skating declaration of despair. You know who knows who need them

665
00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:19.800
both these days? Right, doctor, Tell Chris Galia to get your cup

666
00:52:19.840 --> 00:52:24.599
of coffee right now, will you
please? You got it? Thanks guys,

667
00:52:25.159 --> 00:52:28.280
thank you. You know, before
we go to a couple of other

668
00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:30.320
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thing, and that is, you know

669
00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:34.440
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before we go any of the news
that that uh rises to the events of

696
00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:27.599
the day, something something funny,
some bit of japery that made you smile,

697
00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:31.119
bright and looking for Oh, I
know, it's Halloween. What are

698
00:54:31.119 --> 00:54:37.719
you going as? Which I never
asked grown adults because it's the children's holiday.

699
00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:39.199
I'm sorry, it's a children's holiday. It's been co opted by people

700
00:54:39.199 --> 00:54:44.199
who just like this sort of pagan
thing where they can put on bloody statues

701
00:54:44.239 --> 00:54:46.440
on the yard. And I don't
find it particularly interesting well, I just

702
00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:52.280
remember there was a recent Halloween when
the wife of a faculty member at Yale,

703
00:54:52.920 --> 00:54:55.559
Yes, yes, you want to
be a faculty member, sent a

704
00:54:55.639 --> 00:55:00.880
fairly innocuous email to the student's remind
them, because there's what you're gonna come

705
00:55:00.920 --> 00:55:05.079
as is Halloween. It's gonna be
very important, problematic. And she said,

706
00:55:05.119 --> 00:55:08.360
look, essentially, I'm paraprasic.
It's just Halloween. Let's called just

707
00:55:08.480 --> 00:55:14.199
take a deep breath here, and
you know, if somebody is dressed as

708
00:55:14.239 --> 00:55:16.239
something that defends you, just deal
with it, and you know, try

709
00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:24.800
to be nice to each other.
And the screaming and yelling and emotional horror

710
00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:32.239
breakdown that took place on Calhoun I
think it was Calhoun College. The quad

711
00:55:32.519 --> 00:55:37.199
was at Yale was just insane,
and then the students screaming at her and

712
00:55:37.239 --> 00:55:40.159
screaming at the master of Calhoun.
Now I think there's a different name for

713
00:55:40.199 --> 00:55:44.559
that now, But there's also a
different name for Calhoun, different name for

714
00:55:44.599 --> 00:55:49.639
Calhoun too, exactly right. I
can't forget what it's called. It was

715
00:55:49.719 --> 00:55:52.519
to sew over the top. And
there's you know, tears and screaming and

716
00:55:52.639 --> 00:55:54.280
rage and hurt, and I am
unsafe and I don't feel safe, and

717
00:55:54.320 --> 00:55:59.199
you've made me unsafe, and I
feel it's unsafe. And then you compare

718
00:55:59.199 --> 00:56:07.199
that to students in Cooper Union who
literally were unsafe, or to people holding

719
00:56:07.239 --> 00:56:13.599
up signs in college campuses with a
star of David and then a trash can

720
00:56:13.679 --> 00:56:20.519
saying we need to make the world
clean, literally unsafe Jews in Crown Heights,

721
00:56:20.559 --> 00:56:23.840
and then will Williamsbury being told by
the NYPD, the New York Police

722
00:56:23.880 --> 00:56:28.679
Department, that you just, you
know, stay home, don't go out,

723
00:56:29.159 --> 00:56:34.599
you know, don't don't walk around
wearing your religious garb, because that's

724
00:56:34.840 --> 00:56:43.159
in Crown in places that really were
have been filled with people wearing religious garb,

725
00:56:43.239 --> 00:56:45.039
Jewish religious garb for I don't know, one hundred years, more than

726
00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:57.199
one hundred years talking about unsafe.
It's funny, Like I part of I

727
00:56:57.239 --> 00:57:00.639
think the strategy behind the attacks on
Auto over seventh was to make them so

728
00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:10.519
unbelievably terrible that Israel had to respond, had to overreact. It forced everyone

729
00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:17.280
in the region to choose sides,
and you'd think that they some calculation.

730
00:57:17.360 --> 00:57:20.039
They must have said, well,
you know what this is going to do.

731
00:57:20.079 --> 00:57:22.440
Obviously, listen, when we go
do this, we're going to lose

732
00:57:22.480 --> 00:57:28.719
our support in the United States because
this is so over the top. You

733
00:57:28.760 --> 00:57:34.400
can't, right, you can't turn
this into a metaphor or a slogan.

734
00:57:34.599 --> 00:57:37.159
This is too much. So we're
going to give up our support on the

735
00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:43.440
college campuses, but we're going to
get the support we need from our Arab

736
00:57:45.039 --> 00:57:49.880
financiers, and we're going to stop
a peace process in the middle between Saudi

737
00:57:49.880 --> 00:57:55.159
Arabia, Kingdom of Saudi Arabia,
and the Representative Democracy of Israel. And

738
00:57:55.159 --> 00:58:01.719
they didn't have to do that.
That level of savagery doesn't cause people in

739
00:58:01.880 --> 00:58:05.920
certain people certainly progressive left, to
say, oh okay, okay, okay,

740
00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:10.159
no, no more, that's too
far. That to me as astonishing.

741
00:58:10.360 --> 00:58:13.880
I mean, I just I'm still
like stunned by it, Like because

742
00:58:13.920 --> 00:58:21.480
it doesn't cost you anything if you're
progressive to condemn that violence. Yes it

743
00:58:21.480 --> 00:58:24.000
does. Yeah, maybe it just
seems obvious to me, like like this

744
00:58:24.079 --> 00:58:27.920
is like a no brainer. Like
I'm always looking for ways to like,

745
00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:31.280
you know, take the easy way. This seems like a very easy thing

746
00:58:31.280 --> 00:58:37.199
to condemn. It's a yes,
but right, okay, but but yes,

747
00:58:37.199 --> 00:58:39.000
but yes. But at this point, James is is a I know,

748
00:58:39.880 --> 00:58:44.280
I know, I agree with you. But but even to say yes

749
00:58:44.639 --> 00:58:49.320
is to give in to a whole
set of definitions that only encourages the worst

750
00:58:49.360 --> 00:58:52.239
people. Because the worst people in
the world are the ones who hate Hamas

751
00:58:52.239 --> 00:58:54.760
for the wrong reasons. Right,
they hate them because they're Muslim, they

752
00:58:54.760 --> 00:58:59.079
hate them because they're liberationists, they
hate them because they're anti colonial, they

753
00:58:59.079 --> 00:59:01.800
hate them because Nazis hate Hamas.
Like wait a minute, hold on a

754
00:59:01.800 --> 00:59:05.800
second, Hamas is actually the Nazis
in this thing. No, No,

755
00:59:06.000 --> 00:59:09.880
Nazis hate Hamas because Israel is now
Nazi. I've I've seen the editorial cartoons,

756
00:59:09.880 --> 00:59:14.679
and therefore I believe it. So
yes, But it's hard because if

757
00:59:14.920 --> 00:59:19.000
even that yes is aid and comforted
to the enemy, when you see these

758
00:59:19.039 --> 00:59:22.920
whole things in a grand spectrum of
a revolutionary violence, which is sometimes incredibly

759
00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:29.880
imperative and necessary, then even the
yes is to undermine your own cause it's

760
00:59:29.880 --> 00:59:32.239
easier to skip to the butt.
It's easier to skip to that what I

761
00:59:32.280 --> 00:59:36.519
spoke about at the beginning of this, that malevolent liberation you feel when you

762
00:59:36.679 --> 00:59:40.480
finally throw off all those little civilizational
niceties that have kept you from saying what

763
00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:44.920
you really want to say, which
is destroy Israel and kill all the Jews.

764
00:59:44.960 --> 00:59:47.960
I mean, so I'm not surprised
that the Left has finally gone there.

765
00:59:49.000 --> 00:59:52.559
That it's what we were talking about
before, twenty two generations, twenty

766
00:59:52.599 --> 00:59:57.599
thirty years steeping them, not just
I mean at least when we were talking

767
00:59:57.639 --> 00:59:59.880
about what we knew to argue with
these people before, it was in a

768
01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:02.960
construct of a certain It was in
the construct of Western civilization, the context

769
01:00:04.039 --> 01:00:07.199
of Western civilization. It was something
they wanted to change. It was something

770
01:00:07.199 --> 01:00:13.079
they wanted to alter to their own
specifications, and therefore maybe you could argue

771
01:00:13.119 --> 01:00:15.239
and people could build coalitions, as
lov All was talking about before. But

772
01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:21.519
now we are talking about a post
Western civilization as an imperative in order to

773
01:00:21.559 --> 01:00:25.719
achieve liberation for everybody else. Because
everything that is embedded in Western civilization is

774
01:00:25.840 --> 01:00:30.800
antithetical to what these people want.
And they're dumb. As Rob said,

775
01:00:30.239 --> 01:00:35.320
it's a stupid thing to say,
because everything that they really want is predicated

776
01:00:35.320 --> 01:00:39.199
on the necessity and the maintenance and
the continuation of Western civilization. But they

777
01:00:39.199 --> 01:00:44.480
believe somehow that by flensing it and
emptying of its organs and its brain matter

778
01:00:44.559 --> 01:00:47.320
and its blood and its plasma,
that they can simply crawl inside the skeleton

779
01:00:47.360 --> 01:00:51.360
of it and walk around and inhabit
it just like before, with nothing having

780
01:00:51.480 --> 01:00:53.360
changed, the lights being on,
the pizza being delivered, the phones working,

781
01:00:53.360 --> 01:00:57.199
and the ovens working, and the
rest of it. Oh, they'll

782
01:00:57.239 --> 01:00:59.880
want the ovens to work at least, So that's it. I mean,

783
01:01:00.320 --> 01:01:02.280
that's the dumbness of this all is
that we have to get to a post

784
01:01:02.400 --> 01:01:07.800
western point in order to get the
liberation of absolutely everybody. And it's a

785
01:01:08.000 --> 01:01:13.400
luxury belief the likes of which I've
never seen in my lifetime. But unfortunately

786
01:01:14.639 --> 01:01:17.400
we're coming up against the reality of
it being embedded, at least psychologically in

787
01:01:17.400 --> 01:01:21.719
the back of all people regard themselves
as right thinking people. That's it.

788
01:01:22.039 --> 01:01:24.760
That's the end of my speech for
today. I'm done anybody else. I

789
01:01:24.800 --> 01:01:30.440
do have one fun thing, yes, that we should at least mention or

790
01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:38.920
direct people too. There is a
video a representative Jamal Bowman of New York

791
01:01:39.519 --> 01:01:44.119
who has been charged by the DC
Attorney General with triggering a fire alarm and

792
01:01:44.159 --> 01:01:47.079
a house office building, you know, to delay a vote, and he

793
01:01:47.280 --> 01:01:50.639
you know, remember this is a
big controversy. A while ago and I

794
01:01:50.800 --> 01:01:52.360
just didn't know what's buttoned. Bipe
was pushing the wrong thing. I went

795
01:01:52.400 --> 01:01:59.719
in the wrong door. This it
was confusing. There's a video removing the

796
01:01:59.760 --> 01:02:06.280
war signs and then turning to his
I guess his left or right and pulling

797
01:02:06.320 --> 01:02:14.039
the fire along. And if you
want to just a fun little moment in

798
01:02:14.079 --> 01:02:17.719
your day, it's fun to watch
that because it is exactly what people said

799
01:02:17.719 --> 01:02:21.559
he did and exactly what other people
said, OK, we he didn't do

800
01:02:21.639 --> 01:02:25.599
this, credulously exactly what he said
he didn't do, and it's there on

801
01:02:25.840 --> 01:02:30.000
video for everyone to see. And
it's a nice, you know, little

802
01:02:30.039 --> 01:02:37.440
antidote if you want to the otherwise
bleak Outlook. Just fun to see a

803
01:02:37.480 --> 01:02:43.519
guy doing exactly the thing that he
said he didn't do, after getting all

804
01:02:43.559 --> 01:02:49.320
of his lickspittle acolytes in the press
right to say, I he didn't do

805
01:02:49.360 --> 01:02:53.039
it. No this for it.
And then that's kind of the lesson here

806
01:02:53.119 --> 01:02:58.960
is just saved. Just save yourself
when something like this happens. Don't jump

807
01:02:59.000 --> 01:03:02.039
into it, you know, demand
to see that all the tape before you

808
01:03:02.079 --> 01:03:07.159
say I think Congressman Bowman is telling
the truth, because there's probably a piece

809
01:03:07.159 --> 01:03:13.679
of video out there of surveillance camera
showing him doing exactly what he was accused

810
01:03:13.679 --> 01:03:15.079
of doing. I saw them.
I made me laugh and I enjoyed every

811
01:03:15.079 --> 01:03:19.039
second of it. I saw the
lex bddle Acolytes open for Squeeze back in

812
01:03:19.119 --> 01:03:22.559
nineteen eighty one. Peter in the
tape as well, why did he take

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the sign off? Or that talked
about the alarm and that for why was

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it that alarm that he was meaning
to push the three seconds and then wait

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thirty seconds. It's all an Oliver
Stone movie with Kevin Costner up there with

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the film going frame by frame to
explain this what happened to Yes, yes

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it is. I I saw the
video myself yesterday and it is shot in

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Freud to see this guy caught in
alive. But we'll take our Freud anywhere

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we can get it. I'll take
it anywhere, right, Yeah, Well,

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that'll do it for us, and
we thank you for listening. By

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safe, Have a good Halloween,
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were kids in the era when you
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little rubber band that snapped halfway through
your trip around the block, realize how

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lucky you got it, how lucky
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nation on God's green Earth. As
a man used to say, next week,

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boys, We'll see you all next
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