M hey, everybody, Welcome back to an episode of Challenge, the podcast all about the Challenge as always. I am Brian sitting in his bedroom, child free. He finally led it the children out of his closet. They're outside, you believe it, Big Oldal. Sweet Carlin, who is currently motioning to her dog and at the same time creating stained glass. I put the I put the stained glass to the side, Carlin san Diego. I thought you were doing all those snapback things. Carlyn. No, the dog jumped up on the ottoman and was about to drop a ball in my lap and that's not an okay thing when there are chords and all kinds of things. And Zach given new responsibilities at work. Yay Zachy Bananas distracted bananas tonight, head over to challenge pot dot com. Joined the Facebook group. You can also run a Patreon, which we'll get more into later. We took notes for this episode. Did it's an even episode? All right? We are? Season All Stars four, Episode eight The Queen's Gambit, which I was a little confused as to why we were talking about why it was named after a chess movie, and then it came made sense. Also quick note this episode got me real fucking heated A heated Carlin today, so heated by the end of this episode. Can we call it Carlin and Heat call that section? Yeah, sure, why not. We need to up our people, so we'll just call it kart calling. Call it Carlin and heat. And we gotta get a spray bottle. I don't know if we even need the inn in the milk. You just speak Carlin heat and it's built in just an apostrophe there. So the recap is done by Adam. This is one of my least favorite to date. Yep. Yeah, it's a dumb one. It's done like a mindfulness yoga thing. And that guy's the worst. He's the worst that Adam. I hate. I don't actually I don't mind him. I haven't seen I think Wolf he's on the same page. Like, I don't know that I've seen anything that other than this that has really pissed me off about him. And see the worst if Josh was on this season, Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, Josh is worse. Josh is worst. I like Adam a lot, but I did think this was dumb. I just think Adam is so inauthentic. Just everything he says sounds like bullshit. It just like he just sounds like he's full of shit all the time. It just strives me nuts. There's I know, Zach I hate I've hated him from the beginning because of that. I don't know. I don't know that I necessarily get that every time he opens his mouth, and I feel like everybody on this show is I do too. That's It's like one of my least favorite traits in a human and I feel like he's always had it. Yeah. So we start with an excursion on a boat with no explanation. I'm on a boat. Boat, I'm on a boat. Yeah, it's a lot of filming that's being done by the cast. It looks like they're holding go pros. Weird, kind of fun. Kind of liked it, but it was also weird because like they're kind of trying to interview each other and it doesn't really I don't know, it was it was odd. Yeah, it seemed very strange, this whole thing. Yeah. Uh oh, we get Lee, Roy and Cam on the boat hugging. This is the first time that everybody drank every time we talk about this. This is the first of the episode where they're talking about how they're gonna use the house to buy a house, and how they're gonna use the money to buy the house and have a wedding, and how they you know, they're in a relationship and they have a baby. Yeah, count get it count number one of this episode. And then we're back in the house and we get this scene between Kara and Laurel that is surprisingly like friendship intimate in a way that we haven't seen in a good few years, especially after all of the ship that has happened between the two of them. Is this the Chess one or is this the one where they're talking about Nicole? This is the first one, So it's I gotta I gotta tell you I go on a car Maria roller coaster this episode. Oh yeah, I kind of do too, but I ultimately end up on her side. It's basically Laura. It starts off with Laurel, like you can kind of tell that this is she has initiated this. She feels comfortable with Kara because of their long standing friendship, which I don't understand how they have a long standing friendship. It hasn't whatever hasn't been a friendship in a long time. From what we have seen and she's basically, from the sounds of things, this is not the first occasion that she has done this, pouring her heart out to Kara about how it's weird to be in a house with an ex and how it's really confusing, and Carra says that they're all confused, and Laurel goes on about how like she has a confessional, saying that she doesn't want advice, she just wants someone to listen, which I get that, but you need to state that at the beginning, because Kara is telling her, this is hard to watch because you're not being yourself. You're not being this badass Laurel that we're used to. I don't know what has happened to the Laurel that I that I used to know. You should cut it off because Nichole's not going to like she can make out with you in dark corners and she's totally fine. And then we get this little cutaway of Nicole in the kitchen, pissed that Laurel is even talking to Kara and that Kara is saying these things to Laurel. But from the sounds of things, Laurel is the one who sought this out, so it's an absolute fucking mind fuck from the beginning. Are you heated? K this right here? Setting off from the beginning, because I've been in conversation like I've had friends, and I've been around conversations like this. I've had friends that have had this sort of thing happen in their life and it just it's so infuriating. So it's Nicole. Just to be clear, it's Nicole that's getting you heated. It's both of them, Nicole and Laurel. Yeah, not Carl. I didn't think Laurel did anything wrong at this point. Laurel was just going for comfort. I don't think there's anything wrong with that yet. I think she gets going forward. I agree, And it felt like during this conversation Laurea was at least a little receptive, like she wasn't. She did seem receptive in the conversation, but in all of her confessionals, which are supposed to be her internal monologue, she is contradicting everything that's happening in this conversation. Yeah, and a thirty seconds later, so we get a quick this is count number two. Uh, Cam and Leroy get their little thirty second thing where they're on the phone with Kingston, which cute. That's fine. I don't need two minutes of them bababy talking a like eight month old. I don't need that. I thought this is pretty cute. Tim loved it, of course I did. This was I do not care. This was like Cam's baby talking was torture. Yeah, it was hard to listen to why because it just the octaves she was at the things that she was saying, we don't need two minutes of this. I don't need two minutes of this. I do need care. You didn't like Sam Kingston's teeth? Yo, oh, robot, you can't understand you, Zach. Zach is now robo bananas. I heard something about Kingston, but I have no idea what you actually asked. Zack's been replaced by open Ai and he just glitched out major J. Yeah, so we get this that little cutaway to Cam and Leroy, but then it's right back to Nicole calling out Kara in the kitchen for putting her business out there, which one, what the fuck is she talking about? What business is Kara putting out there? Yeah? And two Cara is just telling her like you keep making out with Laurel. And then Laurel comes and cries to me, and then she goes and makes out with you, and then she comes and cries to me. She's not saying anything different, And Nicole sits there and tells her, tells, Caara, why are you so obsessed with me? What are you talking about? Nobody's obsessed with you. Miss. I like Laurel, but I love Laura better. Yeah, oh my god. Well and on top of that, literally everybody in the house, every single episode that we've seen up until this, multiple different people have said the same shit. They're just not saying it to their faces. And it's right, so heated, This whole fucking episode so heated, because this shit drives me insane. Well, Laurel, we know Laurels a shitty person, right, We've known that for a really long time. But I don't think I knew how shitty Nicole was until this episode. I think I just thought she was just sort of like a like a fuck boy, like a like a Corey, like a female version of Corey. Yeah, but I think this episode is demonstrated like how toxic Nicole is, like separating Laurel from people that could help her and be friendly to her. I really think that this more than any episode we've seen show showed me like, oh, Nicole's horrible. She's not a goofball horny woman, She's she's horrible. Yeah, I saw this on her True life episode that we talked about, the one I felt, yeah, yeah, this is this is her mo completely Yet again, this is another thing where Laurel friend from everybody and just be a bitch the whole time. And it's insane. And Laurel has yet another confessional where she's saying, you know where she's talking about Kara and said, you know, no one else is saying things like this in the house. No one else is having these problems, and maybe you should started looking at it and be like, huh, maybe I'm the problems. Like Laurel, you literally need to take those words and just turn them to yourself, because you are the problem. You are the reason she's said that Kara is saying these things. Kara is saying the same ship that everybody else is saying. She's just saying them to your face because she thinks that there's some sort of a friendship there, there's some sort of a reciprocal friendship happening right now because you keep seeking her out to tell her this shit. Yeah, and fuck Laurel, We're going to get into it more later. But I've had this exact same situation in my life where a friend or somebody who does nothing but bad mouths like their significant other, whatever you want to call their situation. And then when I'm like, oh, yeah, that person's horrible, they're like, why would you talk about my girlfriend like that? Yeah, oh no, no, no, no, you don't get to sit and just like just feed me nothing but negative information and then be flabbergasted when you're like, why don't you like them? Well, then, on top of that, when it's the like I've had it in my life where I've had friends that all I hear is the shit, the negative shit about the partner that they have and how they're off and on and off and on and off and on, and we're all telling them then fucking end it, break up with them whatever. And then the next day they're back together with that person and they're wondering why all of us are sitting there going what the fuck are you doing? Yeah, I think we've all had friends like that. Yeah, we're not teenagers anymore, we're not in our early twenties, like, get your shit together. None of these people are in their twenties anymore. You are too old to be pulling this same bullshit. Yeah, eventually it's like, do whatever you want, but just don't talk to me about it. Then complain about every little thing this person does, and then go and make out into the corner in the corner with them thirty seconds later, like nothing is wrong. This is why I don't even engage in that kind of stuff anymore. Like I'm supportive to the person that I'm close to, but I don't say anything negative about their partner. I try not to say anything negative about the relationship or whatever, because it's always come to bite me in the ass that it's just like, yeah, they suck, they were horrible, and then they get back together and you're like, well, now you told them all the negative shit I said, so now we don't like each other something. Remember million years ago Woolfie, when Polk was dating Jess, and I had to take Polk aside and tell them how horrible Jess was. It was awful. I think that might have been the only time I've ever had to do that. Yeah, but that's why I don't do that anymore because they're not back together with them. Yeah, first and last thing. Yeah, I just it's this whole thing is just so fucking toxic because Kara is literally trying to say someone who you have not been friends with in a really long time, who you have treated like shit, and who she has treated you like shit. She is trying to stand up to you, stand up for you, to this person who you are having confusing feelings about, and you're siding with that person. It just, yeah, it's so fucking to this specific instance, I'm Teamcara. Yeah, same later stuff in the episode, I'm like, god, I've just decided to be on her side even if I don't agree with her, because it feels good to be back on that team. Car training, just rolling, just rolling with it. I feel like back to years old. Wat. Oh she's so hod. Yeah she is. She is hot, all right, And then rather quickly we are already at the challenge. How it's so the game is called balls up, which is I mean makes sense because there are balls in the air. It just I don't know. I heard it and was like, wait, balls in and yeah, it's very uninspired. So the game is individual, but it's played in two different heats. Technically it's played in two different rounds of two different heats, but whatever you are. Everybody is standing in a mud pit and above them there is a suspended net with a bunch of balls. Every person has five balls of their color on the net and you're trying to knock everyone else's balls out before you before yours go out. And this is ultimately going to be a women's elimination. So first Heat, Oh my god, this was so boring and the worst, the most boring game ever. The only entertainment in this entire thing is immediately we get a cut of Cam and Laurel talking about how they're going to team up to get Kara out so that Cam can ultimately either go against her in the elimination round or go against someone else and take her star. And yeah, so first heat, everybody teams up and does exactly what Cam and Laurel want them to do. Boring. I hate it when they do this. Ship me too. It already looks like a challenge that is probably again fun to do. We're able to watch, Yeah, but then when you just add to the fact that everybody is like teamed up and they're like we're gonna, we're gonna do this, and then they do that. It's just it's boring. Yep. Yeah, yeah, it's it's like the whole episode is completely predetermined and so just boring. Yeah, so boring. I hate it when they do this ship Yeah, and I don't mean this is a slight against Cam, but Cam is sort of the master of this, like she's really good at it. She has done this in multiple seasons. Yeah, she has found a way to game the system and it fucks the game up. Yep. And it's like good for her, like that's this is this all works for her to watch? Super boring? Yes, right, thumbs up, Tim, Yeah that was that was strange. I don't know why he kind of thumbs up on your screen because he didn't actually do anything to give you a thumbs up. And whenever I do it, it never works. Well there we go super great for an audio podcast. Yeah. Yeah. And then the second round, everybody tries to get Kara out, but Ace kind of sides with her so tries to help her so she doesn't end up in the bottom. And then we get to the final round and they get Kara out immediately, so she's in the middle group, so her star is up for is up for grabs. Then we have a cut roy of Leroy is saying like, I can't believe they just did it. They just did be what Cam wanted us to do. Yep, we get cut away at him doing that. We also get to cut away. This is the first confession that we've seen in a while from Flora, and Flora's confessional just says that Cara is a manipulative cry baby and that she doesn't like that. Who the fuck is Flora? Why? I like Flora, but there has to be a side of car Maria that we like. Flora. She has literally done nothing in this entire game. This is the like third time we've seen her. I just think she's really funny. I think our confessionals are funny. I don't know, that's all I got. I feel like two of her confessionals that have been complaining about Carra being manipulative, So I don't understand what's funny about it. It's just Flora. Is Flora is the k C to Carl in this season? I think it was. I think it was in the chat room or not in the chat room, in the Facebook group or I saw it on I don't know, I saw it somewhere. Uh someone posted up that Flora is super boring, But it also sounds like we are missing some sort of context because Flora Adam there was someone else that we don't get a lot of confessionals from all keep saying that Cara is manipulative and that all of these things, but literally everybody in the house is like, that's the point of this game. Cam just manipulated the entire fucking house to do what she wanted to. I don't understand why Kara is more manipulative than Cam or Laurel that when they were the ones who just orchestrated this entire game. Someone brings up later that they're mad at Car because someone else did the exact same thing that Cara usually does. En Car is throwing a fit about it, which I mean, chi's a point. Yeah, yeah. I just think like we've seen this not only in this season, but in many many seasons where well, the version of Car that we see seems like reasonable and fine, and then when everybody talks about her, it's like they hate her, she's shady, she's awful, they pick on her. I feel like this is about the eighth season where it's like, why does everybody hate Kara so much? Yeah, So it's either there's something they're not showing us, or there's just something sort of about her that rubs people the wrong way, or I don't know, she gives up. I have no idea. Yeah, it no sense to me, because I mean for people like Flora to be so adamant about how much they dislike Kara for what seems like no reason at all, Yeah, is kind of surprising. And we've seen that before. Remember how much Jordan hated Kara, And like it's like, just fucking back off. She's just playing the game like everybody else. But it does feel like she's My problem with it is that she plays the game like Johnny plays the game, and that when things are going her way, she's happy and fine, but the moment that things go wrong, she's pissed off. So does John So is Johnny, but she gets shit so much worse than he ever has. Ye. Well, and that's Cam is the same way. I mean, all of these good players are sort of like that's the way they play. Yeah, they all do that. They all do that. Cam was super super fucking butt hurt a few weeks ago when she didn't get voted in like she wanted to be it. Yeah, Kim was butt hurt when she got what she wanted with fewer votes than she wanted to get. Like, yeah, Sam is just you know, it's it's it's what. It is super frustrating. So then we they're still in the pit and Nicole yells across the pit that Kara is selfish, which, yet again, I don't understand why she keeps saying that Kara is selfish when she is also being selfish to keep her own star and everyone in this game is supposed to be selfish because it's an individual game. Like, I don't understand why these buzzwords keep getting thrown out there when they don't make any sense. Yeah, I really do feel like Cara is is targeted unfairly. It just feels like it's we've seen it all the time. I don't know how to explain it. Adam says that she's that Kara is playing a shady game. Again, I don't think that Cara is actually playing a shady game. Cara's game is being put out like she is telling everybody what her game is. She is putting it out there in front of everybody. This is what I want, this is what I don't want. I'm holding onto my star. I don't want Cam to go in because she's gonna try and take it. But yet all these other people are trying to play behind the scenes, like how is Kara playing a shady game when she's doing it to your face? I wonder if that's it though. I wonder if they just are offended that she's not even trying. She's just being like, of course I'm not gonna let you have it. Cam. You're gonna like, come for my star, so I'm not gonna do it. But I just wonder if they're Carlins and Heat, Carlins and Heat, Yes, I am in Heat. Ultimately they end up getting their way. Carr gets house first, blah blah blah blah blah, whatever says, you know, don't try it, don't try that shit again. If you like, if you push me again or whatever in the mud, I I'll knock you out. And Cara calls her bluff like okay, come on, let's do it. Yeah, just big old smile on her face, and Nicole's like Cara smiling the entire time that Nicole is trying to get it a little bunch. I thought it was so fucking funny. She's definitely one of those that has security muscles. Yes, she's hold me back, hold me back, hold me back type people. Then yeah, totally. Are you still on car Maria's side at this point? Will fee uh so far? Because again, I think it's fucking boring to rig this game so much, and it's just and I'm also mad at the actual challenge because I feel like this is another one of those neutered version of an old game that we've seen before. Oh my god, I didn't eve think about that. This totally is there's balls in the mud and you just have to grab a ball and get out of there. Yeah, I forgot about that. I mean it's just like, well, we can't people roll around in the mud together, so let's just make it easy for everybody. It is. This is totally a neutered version of that game. That game is so much fun to watch. Like when the season where who was it somebody threw a ball to wet Zach threw a ball to Wes and Johnny Bananas freaked the fuck out. Yeah, We've had seasons where like cts grabbed the ball and just strong armed people into the mud DM taking off her wig because of one of these games, like Tina punching Beth but after one of these games, yeah Beth Beth great. Yeah, you know, this really was a neutered version of that game that sucks and it was so boring to watch. Carl was us during this challenge, right, Karl on this sidelines like rolling her eyes like fuck, this is so boring? What are they doing? Yes, she absolutely was, She spoke from we also we get the This is when Avery says that she feels like she's a pond because ultimately the majority decide that Avery and Ace are gonna be the ones who win, and surprise, surprise, Avery and Ace so the ones who win because it takes their voices out of the middle, so that the middle ends up being Leroy, Laurel, Nicole, and Adam who are all on one side against Kara, and then bottom, the bottom ladies are Tina, Flora, Cam and Veronica. And you would think, like, hey, Veronica's got a star and Cam wants a star, why not just go for that one? But no, which I was hoping since Avery won maybe she would, I'm like, oh, she could she could fuck up this whole plan, trying to tease later on. Yeah, put a pin in that. Yeah, chickens out bush Ye that got me in heat. Yes. Yeah, So we're back in the house and uh, Cam, besides that, she wants to go in. She's making it very vocal. She decided at the challenge she wanted to go in. She's very vocal that she wants to go in. And Leroy wants to go against Tina because he thinks that she could beat Tina. U. Yeah, well this is always Cam's thing, right, She talked big about like, oh, I'll go against Carr whatever. No, Cam's idea was to go against somebody easy and steal cars star. That's why she's in it with the easiest. She's in the bottom with all the easiest women. It's just it's the way that Cam designated it be done. Yeah, that's exactly what happened. Baronica tries to politic for Tina because Tina's politicking is absolute bullshit. She does not know how. And then this is when we get Laurel who has been screaming at Kara. Uh, Laurel has Kara teacher how to play chess. Yeah, this is weird. This is super awkward. It was super fucking awkward, Like you just orchestrated a game where Carra's star is now up for grabs, and yet you're trying to be friends with her again, like the fuck you doing? And then thirty seconds later, Laura goes fucking psychotic because heron's nominations. These nominations made me want to tear my fucking hair out. M Cara comes in and says, you know, we yeah, basically they know who's gonna go. But hey, Nicole, like your star is gonna be the next one up for grabs if if mine gets taken away, and if mine gets taken away, I'm immediately going for yours. And she made a point earlier in the game saying, like trying to half asked, trying to get them to switch their votes so that Cam would go against Veronica. So she's automatically getting a star because then both Nicole and Kara's stars would be safe, right Kara. I like Cara's plan here, and she's smart, she presents it has a point YEP. I thought this was a very good politic of car It didn't work, but I thought it was a great YEP, and then and then I don't know. I do kind of like the desperation part of it too, where she's like, you know what, fuck it, if I have to go in and earn another star, I'm not going to take camstar. I'm gonna take her star. Yep. Oh no, I love that. I was like, oh good, do it? Yeah, absolutely love it. But then Laurel kind of gets up and walks away because it feels like they have ultimately already decided, even though they've been there for thirty seconds, that it's going to be I believe her quote is Cam and it's going to be Cam and Tina bitch. She walks away yep, and as she's walking away, Car kind of yells towards her back. This is the line that we see in the trailers that we've been seeing for months that Laurel is going to regret it when she looks back and sees that Nicole is playing her for a fool, and next Hole loses her shit. Nicole is super heated about this. She gets super defensive, which like, but but you are you're playing her for a fucking fool, Like it's obvious to everybody completely manipulating her, you know, it's super obvious this relationship is not gonna last outside of the show. Yeah, I'm engaged to somebody else. Now. Nicole doesn't want this relationship outside of the house. She just wants to be left alone inside that She just wants everybody to ignore it and let her do whatever she wants. She just wants to get some ass while she's there and have fun and be done. Yeah. But Laurel's feelings are getting tied up into it, and Nicole doesn't seem to fucking care. And Caara is trying to get a trying to get her quote unquote friend out of the shit. Yeah, yeah, Nicole or Kara tells Nicole that she's making Laurel look bad and look like a fool, and that's when Laurel comes back in and loses her shit on Caara. That's when she screams at her that she interprets everything wrong, interpret it the way you told me. Yeah, that she interprets the world wrong, and it's just everything that she was saying here. I don't Kara kept her cool through this entire thing, which is super surprising to me. Yep. But Laurel's just screamed, like literally inches from her face at one point in time, screaming at her like you literally everything that she's saying is verbatim from what you have said. Well, if are you still in Carr's side at this point so far? Okay? It just h I but I do feel like this is the point where she just needs to be like, you know what, fine, I'm done. Yeah, I'm done with done with both of you. I have a feeling though, that part of the reason why she isn't is bigcause on the inside, Kara will forever be that sad little outcast that is looking for friends, and the moment that she gets someone who shows some empathy and shows some grace towards her, shows her some sort of friendship like interaction, she's going to grab onto it and hold as tight as she can, which is why she was playing chess earlier with her. Like, I just I feel like that's that's who Carr will always be, even when Laurel treats her like absolute fucking garbage, Like that's why she kept going back to Kyle for years like yep, and Abram, Yeah, she likes people who treat her like shit. Polly too, right, Yep. I mean I think she got massive abandonment issues, and I think she will always be that sad little outcast and doesn't know how to get over it. Unfortunately, we can smell her own. That's probably why so much. Yeah, I love her, and what I like about her this season is that she she seems more clear about that. Like she's not putting up a Laurel shit, she's not bending or folding. She's telling it like it is and sticking to it. And I think that that's all, that's all respectible. Yeah, yeah, this is my sorry, I'm just reading through my notes. This is when I was writing down. But Laurel's one who cries an axe, all friendly and emotional with Kara and then turns on her, turns her back and acts like an asshole. But yep, it's just who Laurel is. It's one of many reasons why I don't like her. She's an asshole. How good she is at the game, I love watching her in the game. I love watching the game. Asshole she is. She rivals the biggest assholes in this game. Sure, he is like top three of the biggest assholes in this entire game. Like across the board, every person who who's ever played the challenge. Laurel is top three biggest asshole. I agree. I think out of everybody, Laurel could like like really inflicts some emotional pain on people. And I think and I think she has, you know, I think that she's so inflicted emotional pain on the audience by some of the ship that she has said to people. I mean, she she her big easy is feeling so bad that he lost like one hundred pounds over it. Yeah, that's the one that will always come back to me. Her just laying into him for no reason at all while she's drunk off her ass, just full tirade. Yep, what about Paula? And I know, like she had a reason to go against Paula, but man, did she just find like the most fucking horrible thing. She goes deep with her cuts like eating, but I feel like she was using her powers for good in that moment. I was being a gigantic, yeah, horrible person. That's why I prefaced it like there was that was a little bit like I get it, but it was also just, oh man, she couldn't have done something a little more mild than the eating disorder thing. Don't go after someone if you're not ready to step up to the plate. No, I know, I know, I'm yeah, I know, I know. It just seems like one of those things. Yeah, it's like that's a that's an off limits thing to a normal person, you know, like a normal human wouldn't say that, but Laurel just is fucking whatever. She'll just say it. But I feel like this is that version. This is the version of like down syndrome face where it's just like, oh, you want to go, I'll fucking go. Yeah, and then she throws it out. Everybody's like whoa, and it's like, hey, you want to you wanted to throw it down. All I'm doing is playing your game. Yeah I see that too. Yeah. Ultimately it ends up being this is all during nominations. They don't actually come to a final conclusion until the very end of all of this ship, after everyone has finished their screaming. It's Tina versus Cam duh. That's what it was always going to be, right from the very beginning. It's always it yep, yep. And then we're on to the elimination. So the elimination is called Ladies in the Tramp and TJ is looking at what you call towards Tina. What he says this like purely joking and sarcastic, But god, I fucking love that was. That was great. That was It was a nice, light, comedic moment. Do you call me a tramp? I like Tina this season. It seems like Tina's actually trying this season and she seems a little bit lighter. It's it's it's a little bit more fun. Yeah. I also love TJ tlling cam like I haven't seen you in a while and like the I wrote down, God, TJ just fucking kills me. I love that ship. He loves the All Star seasons. Loves he does evidence by the end of the episode when he does a front flip on the trampoline, it's a front flip whatever. He does a flipping tramp best part of the entire episode. So this is yet another super fucking boring game to watch. So there are two trampolines on the ground that the ladies have to jump on to look over a wall to see an answer key, and and then they have to recreate said answer key on a domino board behind them. I thought this like, it's it's fine. I thought this game was super and it may just be because I was just over stimulated from the screaming for ten minutes that we already had to distract it. I guess. So like ultimately, like we've always said, we like it when they kind of go head to head, yeah, I'm sort of banger. Yeah, But honestly, Avery is given the chance, do you want to jump in? And she's just like no, She like, what does suck? This is like the perfect one for you to go into. It's just jumping on a trampoline and remembering like an answer key, that's it, and going against Tina against Tina, and she could totally throw up throw off cams like game or whatever. She's not dressed for the occasion. That was her fucking excuse, like are you kidding? Are you kidding? And earlier in the game, she made a point to say that she feels like she's being used like a pawn, Like she's felt like she's been used like a pawn for the last few episodes. Okay, so if you feel like you're being a pawn, then have the fucking ovaries to go down there and do this shit, like, don't act like a pawn, which is what you're doing by stacking up there. She did She just did exactly what everybody else wanted her to do. Like, if you piss anybody off, go down and do it, you would have won. Yep. And when Nicole, when the cole volunteered to go in, we saw she got to go change her clothes. So you can't use the outfit as an excuse. Well, and I do think that Nicole had all of her clothes on. She just took a jacket off, but still, like you know, they would give her ten minutes to change, like this is not an issue, no, and their outfit is no excuse. Yeah, and she should have done it. She's there's a one more women's elimination. We have to assume this is the perfect time to get your star. You're not gonna have another time because everybody else is gonna want it next time. Why would you give it to gam Why wouldn't you just thinking about her out for just a second. More Like even if she were in jeans and heels and a cute frilly top, you're not in the sand, You're not doing anything super physical. You were jumping up and down on a trampoline, which both women were barefoot, Like you don't even have to have on shoes for this one. You can jump on a trampoline for twenty minutes with jeans on. That's not a big issue. And for someone that like posts photos of themselves online and laundry and underwear all the time, Yeah, push comes to shove, you can take your jeans off and jump in your underwear, like, yeah, see if those are real or not? Yeah, Carlin needs to know. And she's in heat this episode, so it's like a perfect time, perfect time. Uh Yeah, I was super annoyed by that. I found this elimination super boring. Like I said, I think it's probably just because I was in heat from the last it's a montage elimination. Yeah, you don't get to see it from start to finish. You just they started, You kind of go and then they're like, oh, we'll start I do. I do have a question, though, what would be your guys strategy? Start from the bottom, work up same because then the more tired you get, the less you have to jump up and down. Yeah. I had the exact same thought. Maybe I found about some of these some of these games, it's like what's your strategy. It's like, we'll just do it just as best as you can. And I was also thinking, was it uh with Adam and Brad when they did theirs and uh, you know, is that the one where they did the controller and like Adam was only doing like two at a time. That's what I was thinking, was like, all right, just do that. Try, don't try to do a bunch, just do two at a time. You know, accuracy is more important than speed. Mm hmm. It looked like it wasn't close, so it looked like Cam had about Tina was about half time with board when and even though it was a pretty big block, I was excited about this elimination just because I thought I was like, Okay, this is something like I think Cam will win, but I don't think Tina's out of it, Like I think she like Tina could have potentially could have potentially won, And I think she tried. I think that Tina gave it her best. She tried yep, and that's that's all I can ask. I hate it when she quit. That drove me fucking nuts. I don't mind when she lose. When she lost to yep, can we can we all agree? Best part of the elimination was Leroy jumping up and down like I'm jumping with you, babe. Yeah, Cam wins, she steals Car a star the end. Yeah, I do. For some reason, I thought I disliked Car at some point in this episode, but now that we've gone through it, I don't remember why on her side the whole time that should be Yeah, I you know. I some in our Facebook group had a big, long post about how they are disliking this season, and part of it is that all of the neutered competitions. Like I agree, a lot of the things that we've seen have been neutered versions of the games that we've really enjoyed. But you know, it's only been in the last episode or two that I've kind of come to a point where I'm like, I hate the season is driving me nuts. The first few episodes of the season I fucking loved. Maybe it was just maybe it was just the massive juxtaposition of it versus the previous season. I don't know. I think it's more of I'm just I'm really over the insane focus on this very toxic relationship between Nicole and Laurel. Maybe I want to see the other drama in the house. I don't care about Laurel fucking up her life because she's going back to Nicole or Kingston. Yeah, I also don't care about Kingston and Laurel and Lee or not Laurel, Cam and Leroy and buying a house and all of the we get it. We talk about it every fucking episode. That's the thing, even me who cares and is invested in that, Like, I don't need it every episode, but we've been over it. I get it. They're doing it for Kingston. And now they have another child that was conceived and born in the time between them they shot and aired this season. Yeah, and someone, uh Scott said, apparently they announced they're moving to Michigan. Yes, that's an interesting move. I don't know, even even closer to us then, yeah, I think Cam has family in Michigan maybe or maybe they said that the closer to family. And yeah, I'll go get my haircut again, Wolfey, would you be up for a road trip to get your hair cut by Leroy? Sure? Why not? Son? You got to drive, though, so we'll stop every couples to charge up to Tesla. Yeah, all right, Zach's Zach drive with this twenty twenty four. Here we go, Zach, You're the driver. Ooh d d nice. That workut well for me. Hey, everybody head every challenge pot dot com joined the Facebook group. You can also join our Patreon people again when they joined the Patreon so well. Five dollars a month gets you access to pre shows. After shows, you get access to the Discord, where you can chat with all of us except Carlin and heat. Uh and I drop weekly. I'm the discord. I'm just not very active, okay, Well, I drop weekly songs, usually inspired by Scott, who tells me what type of song to make this simmer around. I did a dubstep song just for him to join the Patreon for that and instead of saying your name, we've now uh, we've now made a jingle with everybody's name in it. Wolfe, are you set up in a place that you can play that jingle? A You're gonna change this every week if we get new I am Indeed, it takes about three minutes, so happy to do that. It's way better. Thanks, sand and smile and Jack Jack shack and says the Jack Scott and Sama Sarma to Samuel, Ryan, Roll, Dancho Andie Martin relate, Gret Him, Greggnhead Gard Sandy Christopher Carolino Anna Alvin Alana Me, Yeah, ain't see follows with the cheer. There we go. Anyone like your commentary going along with it even better? Yeah, it's good. Suck Sorry to Eduardo. The a I bot does not know how to proticipate. Yeah, it looks like they're moving, sorry, Cam and Leroy. Looks like they're just moving to Michigan to be closer to family. Yep. Oh, Scott didn't hear that. Scott didn't hear the song. Oh, apparently it didn't come through. That sucks. Hopefully it'll come through on the recording. It also seems like that list was much longer, was it everybody that was part of the Yeah, yeah, everybody. Easley could hear it. I heard it as well. Yeah I heard it. We all heard it. Everybody be scat do we reviews him? No reviews, but leave us reviews on Apple on an Apple podcast? It helps, didn't you? Was that? I was going to say, did someone say this morning to remind them to do a review or feedback? Well, I was gonna say. You can also leave us comments on Spotify, which somebody has, or Instagram. You can go join our Instagram and leave us comments there. I posted on there today. It's been two weeks. I have got some comments Carlin about where's the score graph on the Instagram? I know, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'll put it up when we're done today. Who cares, I'm in last place? Nobody knows and needs to know anything. So multiple episodes we got comments. Apparently someone undecided I'm gonna binge this season for them and then left a bunch of comments. Michelle f that we'll say to protect your anonymity for protecting her. So on the very first episode of this season, where we covered Reach for the Stars and Carsick, Michelle stated, wow, talk about judgmental a holes on this panel. Yeah, you guys are horrible. Not a good podcast, and then she kept listening. She did not stop listening. On the very next episode, True Colors, she said, Kingston is not there. He was with LeRoy's sister. Also, this podcast sucks. Do your do your research? Are you people even challenge fans? I love it. I love the gatekeeper correct keep it up? Okay, uh this did nazis her. She kept going well. On the episode Karma Maria, she replied with you guys are really harsh for people that wouldn't make it to a second daily. You'd be the fluff. That's fine, I know that, all right, doesn't take away my ability and judge the ship out of these people. My social game would totally get me carried to the end as a fluff. So still not enough for her to turn her back on the podcast. Last week's episode, she replied, the only fluff here is your podcast, Michelle. If you're listening, please keep interview. Michelle, if you are listening, these hate field, hate filled responses to our episodes are fucking great. She called out some of us by name. Is that it we'll fear? Is there more I need? Damn we need to do like a call in show for the finale and ask Michelle to call in. I agree, Colin shows every time, come on board. Uh yeah, So that was it. For some reason, I just got a flash of Jay and Silent Bob going, you are the ones who are the ball. I just love it. It's I love the hate listens that. She couldn't stand it, and so she just went ahead and listened to every fucking thing wonderful. I'm gonna keep going. I'm gonna keep listening. First hour and a half that she had to listen to the next seven and a half plus. I love it. I love it. She took an entire work day to listen to our asses. She's judging the ship out of people that we don't. I don't know. Yeah, you know what, Michelle. Just for the record, I did beat Ashley Kelsey and volleyball, so there. I'm not a complete challenge one on one or on a team. No, it's team vers team. Also beat Hillary. I wonder if Michelle was in heat when she was writing all those oh time X wife question Yeah, tams X wife. Yeah. Recently posted a picture of that day on the on the discord the aforementioned me and Zach. Well, hey, why don't we move on to the fantasy leagues? Someone someone remembered to put their picks in this week? Yeah, who may legitimately be in first place had you not fucking not done it for two weeks in oh yeah, I think I probably could have been so on the public fantasy league whatever, Stove is back in first place. Congratulations. Steve has nine and forty three points. Second place is hope to see you never, Sarah, who I believe overtook Steve last week, but it's back down in second place with eight hundred and seventy two, and third place is what's eight times nine? I think with eight and twenty one. I think Steve was still in first place last week, because I was in second place up until this week. Maybe it was, maybe it was the week before. I don't know. He was overtaken at one point in time by her or by them. I don't want to, shouldn't gender anyway. Zacubin is in sixth with seven fifty Big Uncle Sweet Tea gaining points in the only league that he can gain points in. And twenty six I'm in ninth with six hundred and ninety five, and Wolfe is in twenty first and seventy four. He came up twenty eighth that he was in last week. It's a marathon, not a sprint. Cindy is Cindy still beating you, having never won. Cindy is in twenty seventh with five hundred points, and I think she stopped picked. She gave up. No, she picked last week, she did not pick the week before. Okay, she actually picked pretty well. She got one hundred and twentyo points last week. Afrey Cam and Leroy nice, nice, very good. And then online for the host league. No, we don't even does this skip it online? Tim is Tim is gonna just close his ears and go la la la la, la la lah for the next thirty seconds. I'm in first place with eleven hundred and fifty forty five. Zachie Bananas is in second with nine and fifty five, and Wolfe is in third with eight hundred and ninety and Big Uncle Sweet Tea is still in fourth with five hundred and seventeen. Unfortunately, his points will not change for the rest of the game because he no longer has any players. Very nice, I lost I lost one this episode, true, so Wolfe is down to three players, Cam, Kara and Ryan still a pretty stacked team. You've got some pretty decent players. I mean, according to Ace, Ace thinks that Cam is gonna win this whole thing because Cam is smart and the way that she rallied the entire house this week, I wouldn't be surprised. Zaccubina still has his entire fucking team and I still have five, So yeah, fuck you guys. Those points don't matter because Saccubinanas has the actual rigged league on his computer. I wanted to keep that energy. If and when you ever beat me, Carlin, I'm just saying it's rigged. I beat you, it's still rigged. Alrighty well, once again in last place, much like the online league, Big Uncle Sweet Tea still twenty three, fuck off, Wolfie still in third place, thirty eight points. Nice and then down between Carlin and I will say, uh, Carlin and I. This week we both scored the exact same number of points, so there's still a five point difference between us. I am not sixty eight, Carlin's is sixty three, and what am I? Twenty three? Twenty three? All right? What happens when all of your players go out the first time? Maybe I have a chance. I don't know. Maybe my question is, is Wolfing gonna follow your footsteps? Just leaving me and Carlin would like the final eleven? No, Wolfe's got Cam and Kara. I think Wolfe's in it for the long haul. That's true. It's a marathon, not a sprint. I'll never forgive Tony. I will never forgive Tony. That was the beginning of your dowmb. How daring he was, How dare he do that? You're more annoyed at him or Brad Tony because Brad. I think Brad did his best and he was really just beating himself up over his performances, so it's hard to be mad at it. Yeah, I do bring Blad. I blame him too. What about Janelle? Are you mad at her as well? Yeah? Yeah, everybody? Everybody? They all failed me. Janelle too, You had the people who quit. Yeah, dude, I had the worst side. I know, it's horrible. And everybody was like, Tim's team is stacked. I think that's the winning team. That My team looked great on paper. My team looked banging. Everyone said mine looked like the worst. Yeah, look at you, Look at us now, look at us now? Hey, Zach, do we get any social media stuff? Uh, that's a great question. I do not have anything, mostly because this new work schedule's got to look Uh. I do know that Flora. Flora posted a big thing on Instagram, very critical of Carl Maria. But she kept calling her Clara, which I thought was really funny, and it was like three or four times in this Instagram post, so it was not a mistake. It was clearly she just didn't know her name. Nice. See, this is what I mean. I feel like we're missing some sort of context, because if someone does not even know how to pronounce your name and they spent multiple weeks living with you in a house, there has to have been something else that was going on, or they're just a really fucking bad judge of character. Yeah, I don't know. I just I Yeah, Flora is She's not even a fluff character. She's just wallpaper. And don't understand why she's there. She's great. She literally has said like four words, Tim, how do you think she's great? She said like four words, and most of those words have been bad mouthing, Kara, gez, she isn't heat. Look at that, look at that. Maybe you're the fluff to think of that. Me saying I like a woman Carlyn would fuck? I just lose it. I have Flora on my fantasy team and even I want her to go. What am I the only person likes Flora? Yes, I don't understand what you like her. I think she's really funny. I think she's really funny. Three words, all of them funny. Of those three words, two of them have been bad man at the Carra that haven't been funny. They other than that words I don't have to defend myself. I can like her if I want. Oh goodness, that's it. Hey, everybody, thanks for listening. I can't believe the chat rooms leaving me hanging hanging too. We're wrapping up, We're wrapping up. Hey, everybody, thanks for listening. Here every challengepot dot com during the Facebook group uh I guess for this episode of Challenge has been Brian the gooka Sweetee, Carl and san Diego Zachie Bananos, and as Carl said, Nicole, you need subtitles. That was so good. Ch