Look Hot Radio. Welcome to Open Minds Radio with Alejandro Rojas. Open Minds
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This is Alejandro Rojas. Do you guys like it when I talk like that?
Someone on YouTube said that my voice was making his ears bleed or something
awful like that. But I know that people like me because we went to
move On this weekend and we met the coolest people in the whole world California
move On. And we should have known, you know, there would be
some people that work in the industry, as they call it, the industry.
Everybody wants to work in Hollywood type stuff. Got to brag a little
bit, especially because we have to say hi to our friends that work at
the Simpsons, because we heard there are some people that work at the Simpsons
that like us, They really really like us, and they listen to the
show and one of them is with any like going to draw Jason and I
simpsonized, don't put him on the spot. We're gonna be simpsonated. Now
he's got to do it. You can just do it really quick little stick
figures. That's just having it from you would be wonderful. That's gonna be
at It was so cool talking to him, and by the way, he
treated us to something that was extra special that you can check out as well.
Go to YouTube and search for Whistle while you work and you will see
some adorable little birdies doing some funny stuff and you're gonna love it. So
check out YouTube Whistle while you work also, and we're que Simpson fans.
I mean, come on, who isn't. That's why they've been around forever
and ever. In fact, I even had when the movie came out and
all the seven elevens were like Quickie Marks. I have like the whole set
of the Simpson Quickie Mark cups and I use them all the time. Stop
using them. You're gonna wear them out, I know, but I can't
help it. They're cool and they're great size. It was an excuse to
go get slurpies. I love slurpies. Anyway, Thank you very much for
passing by and saying hello to you. Also, we have a buddy who
passed by and listened to the show who works on Marvel Comics. I won't
use names just in case they don't want me to. I know some don't.
And his buddy is a movie star, literally, and he came by.
We got to talk to him. So it was a lot of fun.
Let alone all of the super cool people at MOFON, and I got
to tell you guys, you know, there is some controversy. Sometimes people
are like, oh, man, move On. They're evil and they're so
bad and they're working with the government. Of course I was with move On
and I'm not with the government, which is good because the government doesn't get
paid much, although they get a pension. My mom's got this great pension.
She worked with the government. But they're the greatest people. People like
we're just laughing about Cliff or Cliff who runs move On. He's the international
director and he's such a funny, goofy guy. He is just so funny
that if you met this guy, you would just fall in love with him.
So, if you have a UFO organization that brings people in and maybe
some people in your organization are skeptical about mof ON, no problem in vite
Cliff or some of the other directors. Jan he's the OC section director.
He actually put on this conference. He's also on the board of directors for
Moufon. He's a great guy. My buddy. The Switex that are out
there, they are a wonderful family. They're out there. My good friend.
You guys have heard Chuck Sukowski on the show. His sister Debbie ziegel
Meyer, who's been on the show herself, who's a Missouri state director.
Now she's a new director on the board. Tom Dooley is a director,
Tom Whitmore. I mean, these are really cool, great guys, and
if you go to the conference, you meet them and you get to find
out they're down to earth, regular guys doing their best to try to move
this whole field forward. Some of them, sure, Tom Dooley worked for
Defense, He worked for NSA, actually I believe it is what it was.
One of them had worked for the FBI. John Shusher, my good
buddy who we've had on the show and who we wrote about in the magazine,
he worked for NASA. That doesn't mean they're evil government people hiding stuff.
That means that they're even more capable of doing this work of trying to
find the answers. And if you met and talked to them, you would
see, they have no love for the secrets that they're just the opposite.
They're trying to find more answers, and because of the jobs that they were
at, they understand that there are secrets to be at, that there's some
stuff to get to there. So there's some great people. I did want
to mention, of course, story Musgrave. That was an interesting thing.
Probably some of you are wondering how that went. He's an astronaut who came
and spoke as a keynote speaker who does not believe there's anything to the UFO
phenomena that is misidentified. He himself took some pretty popular videos of UFOs in
space and he pretty much said that he just couldn't identify what they were,
but they were pretty much some sort of space junk from the Shuttle that he
just wasn't sure what it was. And he was kind of funny because he
was not nice about it. I felt maybe a little condescended to maybe a
tiny bit. And Jason you can where he was like, you people are
creative and imaginative and it's great, and I kind of felt like, you
know, yeah, you guys are special class, and we need those people
in special class. You know it's cute the way you ride to school in
your little yellow bus. But he was a very nice guy at the very
least, and shared with us some pretty incredible stories, although he doesn't really
put much credence into this. Although, of course some of the ideas that
are put forth can get pretty out there, so I can see how some
people would feel that way. But overall, it was a wonderful time.
It was I had a lot of fun. And Jason, did you want
to share your move On experiences? I did all of my sharing this past
week man at move On, Well, you have to talk. Just because
you talked a lot this weekend doesn't mean you can come on the show and
say I've been talked out. I don't believe I said that. This is
radio I interpreted it. We had a great weekend to move On, met
so many wonderful people and it was great. We actually met a lot of
new friends and saw lots of old friends. Yeah, and it was great
to meet some people, some of our listeners for the first time. Some
of them we've met before or interacted with online. But it was those events
are always fun to meet the people face to face. And was it a
favorite? I had a favorite person who I met? Did you? Oh,
I'm seeing if I can guess who your favorite person was, it's not
that hard to figure out me. No, the movie star girlfriend. Oh,
because I guess she's a movie star too. I didn't recognize her,
but she and I hope she doesn't hear that and think I'm a jerk.
But I don't think she's into this stuff. But whoa, mama. She
was very you're pretty. She was fun to meet, and I don't know,
I think I think because of who she was with and how much time
they spent there, going around and talking to absolutely everybody there, talking to
the speakers, talking to vendors, and this actor himself was very interested in
learning and you know, gathering as much information as possible. We spent a
lot of time talking with him, and she was right there by him,
and she was she was kind of taking it all in as well. Now,
And I thought that gives me inspiration too when you see a movie star
person, because these, of course are very influential people. Uh, And
you know, then there's that conversation going on. We know it anyway because
we see it reflected in the movies and the media and stuff like that,
but it's kind of cool when they're brave enough to come forth and come to
something like that an event. Absolutely, and like you said, I mean
it was oh see, you know, California, and there were lots of
Hollywood representatives there, I guess you could say. And it's always wonderful,
you know. I think the negative idea that a lot of people think when
they hear of movie stars or any celebrity type person exploring the UFO subject,
they think they're going to be goofy and silly and think that it's kind of
a weird, kind of I don't know, fad that they're going through.
But the people we talked to this weekend were extremely serious about the subject and
were actually put off by some of the things that they had heard, you
know, from some people that are really far fetched ideas or things that have
no sort of scientific background or any references, just claims that people make with
no backing it up at all. And that's the thing that they were frustrated
with. They want well, like we all do, you know, they
want right, But it was great to hear that they were digging for that
information. They wanted to talk to the incredible people they were put off by
some of the silliness and they were looking for the serious aspect of apology.
Yeah. Now the second my second favorite person I met who I haven't mentioned
yet, and I don't think he'll mind that. He last out too,
and a very pretty bond girl, gorgeous in fact. Lee Spiegel absolutely love
Huffington Post. Of course we talked about him a lot because he's writing and
he's on a Huffington Post. I was really excited because he he says he
sees Arianna a lot, and some people might be upset, but I'm a
bit. I'm an Ariana Huffington fan and I love of course, we're into
the social media and all that, so we love to see what he does
there or Huffington does there. But Lee Spiegel was an absolutely super cool guy.
Lee is great. It was wonderful to meet him. And yeah,
Les is one of the mainstream journalists who writes on this topic regularly. That's
his beat, yep, And you're right, so we do sight to his
articles a lot in our news. I'm sure he'll have he was probably busy.
He didn't get one up today, but I'm sure he'll have a couple
out this week. That'll be generated from this conference, just like he did
three or four from conference. You and I talked about this, but it's
always so so much of a relief when you meet these people who you've known
of for quite a while and you know, you follow their work, you
reference their work, so you finally meet them, you always have to cross
your fingers and hope they're not big jerks. Yeah. Well, and I
showed to you a couple of other people I met too that were really cool.
We're people that we had on the show recently. Ted Peters sat at
the table next to him and his wife were great people. And then Joe
mc mcmonagall, who I've never met either. I was excited to have I
was excited. I'm always excited to have everybody on the show. But it
was great to meet them because him and his wife were also really cool people.
And it was fun to meet Story musk Grave because he single handedly built
the Hubble telescope. Yeah, yeah, he says, he built, according
to him, yeah, in his barn and kind of tuckedness into launching it,
and thank goodness he did. Yeah. We enjoy the pictures. Yeah,
he takes some great pictures with his big camera. Oh yeah, and
I should mention moving on from Move On our guest this evening who for me,
it's kind of a milestone for me to have him on the show,
because you guys know, I've had great Bishop on especially lately. And some
others who I've talked about, Richard Doty, who is an Air Force intelligence
officer I've talked about, you know, his escapades, and Paul Benowitz,
who was unfortunately a gentleman that Richard Doty fed disinformation too, and who a
gentleman who ultimately had a breakdown which was very unfortunate. And there's another player
in here, kind of off to the side, who is a state police
officer for New Mexico who was assigned to the Dulce area and investigated cattle mutilations
when they stretched in the seventies started happening in northern New Mexico and then also
met and became friends with Paul Benowitz, and eventually met and became friends with
Richard Doty also, So he's got some insights on all of this and especially
cattle mutilations because he believes he knows who's doing it and why, and he's
going to tell us all about that later. On in the show. He's
very difficult to get ahold of or to interview. We had quite a time
getting a hold of him and getting to interview him. He's very short in
his answers, very precise and to the point, so it's only you know,
we probably won't be talking to him too long. But I'm glad that
we were able to get him on the show and be able to talk to
him so i can get some of these answers that I've been curious about here,
because, as I've said on the show before, I think a lot
of the mythology that we all believe in comes from this whole era of this
information that Richard Doty was feeding us, and it's important for us to try
to read out what if any of that is real and what is not in
the motivations behind why this all happened and why this information got out. So
this will be a spectacular interview, and you people are so very fortunate to
be listening and to be able to hear this interview. But before that,
there is a lot of UFO news that has gone on, and Jason mc
clellan, our news correspondent, is going to tell us all about it.
Ola Alejandro and hello everybody out in radio land, and to our video viewers,
remember we do have video with the show that you can watch live on
Openlindes TV, as well as after the fact on YouTube and elsewhere. We
are all over the internet. YouTube rocks. But this is your Open Minds
Newsbreeper, Monday, August first, twenty eleven. We'll start off with a
story that was early last week. I think that's when it was out.
I know we've been talking about this one for a little bit, but witness
has observed a circular UFO in the night sky above San Paulo, Brazil,
on Saturday, July twenty third, and the object in the sky hovered and
it rotated like a ferris wheel. White or light blue lights around the circumference
of the UFO flashed or pulsed as the object rotated. Additionally, a large
blue light was in the center of the object. According to UOL News in
Brazil, one of the witnesses described it was like a round disc with a
lot of blue lights and was very high. Everyone stopped to watch. It
looked like a movie scene. The UFO in the video was quite a spectacle
and certainly looks mysterious. However, the object is most likely to be of
terrestrial origin. The spinning of the object and its multiple lights are characteristic of
an LED adorned remote control aerial vehicle or an LED adorned object suspended by a
balloon or helicopter. One of the witnesses told UOL news a friend stated that
someone put a lighted kite in the sky. A similar object floated over Rio
Dejannaro in two thousand and nine. That ufo had a large screen on the
bottom of it with a reported fifteen thousand bulbs. But according to Globo,
a one hundred and sixty foot steel cable attached to a helicopter was suspending the
work of an American artist. So this artist created this UFO and put all
of these LED lights on the bottom of it, and he could control the
flashing and the patterns that the lights would do with his cell phone. And
while it is certainly possible that this recent San Paolo UFO is something else,
entirely the Rio Desannaro artist created UFO supports the notion that the July twenty third
San Paolo ufa was also man made. It looks like it is because it's
a circular blue lights that looked like LEDs. The Epic Times did a story
on it just today and as a follow up, a lot of people have
it. They've kind of caught on late. Yeah, the story came out
in a few sources, and then a few days later a bunch of sources
came out with it. But nobody has anything new to offer, except for
one person who said it can't be a kite because it stays out of forty
five degree angle the whole time, which a kite wouldn't. I don't know
that could be, but it's certainly because it's a circular light. It's cool
look and that's for sure. And I guess the jury's still out. But
yeah, I thought there would be some new developments because, like you said,
on Friday and today, at the beginning of the week, there were
a lot of news stories from major media outlets on this story. So I
looked at them and yeah, they're just a week late on the stories.
Yeah. Yeah, but it is a fun video, so if you haven't
seen it, be sure to go check that out. And we have now
several links on it from our website right that we have it on the site,
and we also have the one from two thousand and nine from Rio de
Janiero on there too. But it was good that we got there early and
you got your story up because it looks like we got a lot of hits
on it drove a lot of traffic to our site. Excellent, all right.
Well, A UFO in the sky above Fort Worth, Texas was recorded
last Monday morning by a new station's tower camera, and I do remember one
of our listeners we met at Moufon wanted us to talk about this story.
Thank you can. So this was recorded last Monday by a new station's tower
camera, and the NBCDFW video shows a white light rapidly entering the frame from
the top right of the screen. The UFO then makes a quick forty five
degree turn and speeds out a frame. It is possible take the object in
the video is simply an insect, but its identity remains a mystery. According
to Bruce Phelps of NBCDFWE, investigators were contacted to review the video, but
I haven't heard anything about any follow up with that, so who knows that
they actually did. But this video comes just two months after another NBC affiliate
KSHB in Kansas City, Missouri, caught a UFO on video with their tower
camera, and I believe that was the Harry Potter car. That was a
weird one. Yeah, that one, I would say, I don't know
what the heck that Harry Potter car was. This one, to me looks
like a bug. It certainly looks like because it flies in and then it
turns goes away. And why wouldn't you see it before? Why would you
see just this light when it gets close to the camera and goes away because
it was captured by the light of the camera, so as it got closer,
it kind of flew away. And the reason I say this is because
I've done lots of paranormal investigation and it reminds me of night vision, right,
because when you're doing night vision, your night vision camera only can put
light out to a certain not very far, and so you'll see things fly
into that light and fly out, and it's like as if they come and
go really quick. It's something you have to be careful of. So it
looks a lot like the night vision stuff that I've done when a bug flies
in and flies out real quick. That's what I think it was, but
I could be roun Yeah, we don't know. I mean, it definitely
looks like a bug, but it could be al Yeah, alf I mean,
I hope not have a weird looking dude ol spreaking. Here's a story
from today. Researchers claim that they can reproduce complex crop circles with the aids
of with the aid of a tool that they put together and can be easily
built by anyone. A team from the University of Oregon used parts from an
ordinary microwave oven and it's twelve vulg battery to create a device called a magnetron.
According to The Daily Mail, professor Richard Taylor, who leads his team
of researchers, claims to be able to reproduce the intricate damage inflicted on crop
circles using the gadget developed by his team at the University of Oregon. Some
crop circle formations are found to have unusual properties, such as collapse stocks and
the presence of radiation, characteristics not found in crop circles made by pranksters using
simple wooden planks. But following the study conducted by Professor Taylor and his team
with a magnetron, he theorizes that crop circles with unusual characteristics could be explained
by his research. Professor Taylor explains the radiation waves that are capable of heating
food when utilized in an oven, caused crops stalks to fall over and cool
in a horizontal position, Professor Taylor. Professor Taylor's report is in this month's
edition of Physics World. But this isn't really new, no research at all,
No, not at all. Of course, bltr Good, Buddy,
Nancy Talbot, along with Well, it was first Levin Goood who figured this
out that there was an electro microwaving going on. So this isn't new at
all. And at the time, especially when they discovered this, it was
very Microwaves were still kind of clunky, and in fact, it wasn't too
long ago that some kids, and I'm pretty sure it was MIT, but
it was one of the k universities. They went and they took a part
a microwave and they created this elaborate, huge device. It was big one
person, It took like two people to hold it. One person could strap
it on, but it was extremely dangerous where they microwaved of plants, and
it was huge and clunky, and it certainly wasn't the type of thing you
could get into a field and out of They had to drive their truck into
the field with their equipment to do this, so the technology wasn't there,
So maybe he created just something now that you could do that with. But
what about the ones from years ago? And we already knew there was a
microwave? But where does that microwave come from? Well, and along with
this study, he also mentions the use of GPS. Yeah, you know,
again, how do you explain the earlier ones unless he's saying like,
of course, we know some people theorized that some kind of mic for a
wave laser out of the sky, But even the people who talk about that
talk about how it can't be a satellite that's too far, and that microwave
would dissipate through the atmosphere. It would have to be some sort of steady
platform above the ground, like a helicopter or something. But of course helicopters
aren't seen, so that leads and why would speculate blimps? The use of
blimps, the dirigibles racing away in a blimp. That's kind of funny,
let's get out of here. Yeah, of course, which blimps would be
caught on radar and perhaps at night, the blimp would be difficult to see,
but you would see something blocking out the stars, I guess or something.
But if they got busted, that would be kind of funny. They
get busted, and then all the people sitting out there looking for crop circles
will put their spotlight on it. There it is, Shoot down the blimp,
shoot it with the babe. It'll be interesting to hear if you know,
we hear anything more on this. I'm sure we will because it was
picked up by everyone today, it seems, and I don't know why.
But anyway, next week or in the future, well we'll cover some more
crop circles because there are a whole bunch, a whole bunch of new ones
that have popped up that we haven't talked about yet. Yeah, there's been,
of course every year, there's some. This year seems slow, but
there's some more new ones. But the other thing I like is how he
doesn't have to produce this device. He says he has it, but he
doesn't have to demonstrate it in use or anything. I'm sure if you call
him he'll show you. Maybe we would, Yeah, we should. He
looks like a nice guy. He probably is a nice guy, and who
knows, maybe you know, it'd be interesting to have a conversation with him.
Well, and I liked the quote I saw from him when I don't
remember who the interview was with. It might have been Reuter's, but he
stated that, you know, he doesn't worry about being affiliated with crop circle
research being thought of as a weirdo, because he approaches it as a scientist.
He says, when you have things that are unknown, you try to
figure him out, and that's what he's doing. Yeah, so I do
like that. You know, he sounds like a levelheaded guy, and he's
not one of these scientists who hides in the closet, won't face these things
that get giggled at. Yeah, you know, maybe we got a maybe
I got a little too excited there and the whole people trying to explain the
step away and I need to sit back and appreciate his work. Absolutely,
thanks buddy, because he did confirm that microwaves can be doing it, and
he needs to look at their work where there's evidence that yeah, microwaves are
at work here. Absolutely, So yeah, we should look at contacting him.
Interesting. Well, in other news, it turns out that a well
known UFO that was taken in nineteen ninety in Belgium was most likely a hoax.
Someone step forward to claim responsibility for hoaxing the photo in an interview with
a frenchhip or last Tuesday. According to Reuters, this self self admitted culprit
explained, we made the model with polystraene. We painted it and then we
started sticking things to it. Then we suspended it in the air. Then
we took the photo. This photo has been widely circulated and has been associated
with the period known as the Belgian UFO wave that took place during nineteen eighty
nine and nineteen ninety. Everybody's seen this picture. Everybody's seen it. But
there's more to this. I wanted to ask you about the more, so
go for that. There's a lot more. I have emailed the general because
I've met him. We had him at moufon four years ago in San Jose,
another California move on, which was a great move on. Probably one
of the best conference, the second best conference second to ours, that I've
ever been to. I mean it was great. We had so many people,
including General de Brauer, who was an Air Force Belgium general who was
in charge of investigating this whole phenomena, and so I've asked him if this
is the same person, and then he hasn't responded yet, but I'll bet
he will. And the story was so that they it was an eighteen year
old kid and this person was eighteen during that period of time. Who took
the photo and who gave it to the air Force? They investigated it.
They never released the kid's name because he didn't want his name released. But
the air Force Belgium Air Force looks into it, you know, and investigates
it. Other organizations look into it. And this kid must have had you
know, this guy if he faked it some brass you know what, because
he had to. Really, I mean, when you're a hoax, if
you hope something is being interrogated by these guys. But the worst thing is
is then when they decided that this thing is real, he sold the rights
to someone. And this person has been selling this picture for decades now,
making a lot of money. And I'm sure there's a cut that this person
got, So they've been making a lot of the money off of this hoax
picture. In fact, technically everybody's supposed to pay them in order to use
it. So this person because of the name wasn't released. It still needs
to be confirmed by someone in the investigation that this gentleman who claims he took
the picture is indeed the person who gave it over to the Belgian Air Force.
And I haven't read in any of these stories. I don't know if
you have where they have confirmed that with the Belgian at all force. I
don't think so, So that still has to be done. Of course,
the general may come forth and say, yes, this is the guy,
and then we'll find out he did trick people. It's entirely possible. But
this is a big story because this is one of the best UFO pictures out
there, right, and the most investigated by an air force, you know,
backed by a general. I believe there was. I think Richard Haynes
right had looked into it. People say NASA, but it wasn't really Naty.
It was someone who had worked for NASA, but not NASA themselves.
That makes a better headline, and that's what everybody's saying exactly. So yeah,
yeah, this should be a big deal. There were lots of UFO
videos from the past week, so I've picked out a couple that we can
briefly talk about, but a series of red UFOs were captured on video on
the sky above Helsinki, Finland, on Saturday, July twenty third. The
glowing objects appear to hover and move very slowly through the sky. But unfortunately,
these objects do possess characteristics of the infamous Chinese lanterns bomb. And while
the identity of the objects is officially unknown, the logical identification is Chinese lanterns.
And that's what the consensus is right now with the media, and that
is my vote as well, being that all Hunter and I have conducted Chinese
lantern testing, and we're familiar with Chinese lanterns in the sky. And while
you can't be one hundred percent sure, when you see these reddish orange glowing
balls that kind of hover and drift slowly through the sky, it's most likely
Chinese lanterns. Mmmmm. So our Chinese lantern resident experts says Chinese. I
was thinking of that one. We need to get all these right, yes,
yeah, well we have to do them verbally because we don't have rights
for the audio, but I don't think they can pin us down if we
kind of if you want to get technical, that counts to the public performance.
We're gonna have to erase this part of the show then when we put
it out on podcasts and see our friend's bird can get away with whistling whistle
while you work because it's a bird. Nobody's going to sue the bird.
Oh, I know, the crazy bird, don't forget. Go to YouTube,
check out search burg whistle while you work and look for a cute little
what are they cockatiels? Yeah, cockatiels. Although this is at PG thirteen.
You think they show this kind of stuff on nature shows. They do,
And I'm wondering if this is even recommended to watch it work. It's
a fine line there, but it's funny. You definitely need to see it.
So anyway, let's see. We have another video here. A man
claims to have witnessed a UFO in the sky above the town of Vestal,
New York. The witness saw the object from a hospital and described that it
hovered for approximately ten seconds, then it shot up like a bullet and vanished.
Ten other people supposedly saw the UFO as well. As the man was
driving home from the hospital, he saw the UFO again, and this time
he managed to snap a picture of the disc shaped object. And that's a
weird photo. I mean, this is a perfectly disc shaped object. I
can't even I can't. I know I looked at the picture and thought wow,
neat, but I didn't revisit the story to look at it a little
closer, so I can't remember it completely. You're not watching the video stream,
are you, Alejandro? Yeah, let me go over there, and
because we do have pictures of these on our video stream right now. Video
stream, the magic of video stream. Well, there's a commercial and you
know, some people have said that that that is a red flag for them
that you know, he was able to see it later and take that.
Weren't there two pictures? Two pictures, yes, but this was They were
both of the second appearance of this object, right when I was driving home
from the hospital. It's a strange picture. Yeah, someone needs to look
at it closer because it of course, if there's no sign to pixelation or
any of that stuff, then it's a pretty stunning picture. Yeah. Absolutely
reminds me a very clear disc. Regular disc reminds me of like those ones
from the seventies that we have in the Windows collection, exactly very clear disc.
But when I see that Unfortunately, I think of my iPhone and how
he usually is to take a picture and put a UFO into it. So
yeah, but I don't I'm not doubting him. I certainly could have taken
it. That's an incredible picture. Yeah, so check out that one.
That's pretty cool. And then strange lights were seen in Ontario, Canada on
the evening of Saturday, July sixteenth, and were captured on video by Hamilton
resident Simon Reynolds. And this is an interesting story. The UFOs were first
spotted above reynolds house by three young girls, who described one of the objects
as red, but it had yellow lights all over it. It made no
noise at all. It was completely silent. It was like hovering. That's
how they described it. It was like hovering. It's poised like they did,
but it's cuterer than that because they're like eight. Oh yeah, And
so they got excited and they ran in to get Reynolds, who pulled out
his iPhone to record the objects. Several other people in the area saw the
strange objects in the sky, but nothing out of the ordinary was detected by
the control tower at a nearby airport, and similar lights were seen the following
week as well, and authorities have no idea what the strange lights were.
Wow, that's a good story. Yeah. The one of the girls even
drew an illustration of what she saw, and it's kind of an interesting thing.
They actually saw, like a craft, not just lights. That kid's
got a future in UFO investigation, I think. So. You know,
Wendell Stevens was very good at creating these illustrations, these technical illustrations based on
witness reports. And I really like this little girl's drawing and it's very colorful
and mm hmm, it's kind of fun. It's very descriptive. Kids would
be good at that because that's when your coloring skills are at their peak.
You were right. You asked me to color something with some grands Right now,
it's not gonna be as good as it's kids who are really passing it
every day at school. If I started aging, my crayon skills went and
then I had to graduate to color pencils and then those went. Now I
can't do anything. Yeah. I always love the videos too with kids in
the background, Like when you get those videos to investigate and look at because
they're always really cute. Well, in this video, you can actually hear
the kids in it being excited about the UFO. That's cool. Yeah,
excellent. Well all one hunter. That is it for the news for today.
Remember to check out these stories and more at open Minds dot tv,
your source for UFO related news. I'm Jason McLellan, your Open Minds News
correspondence, and you've been briefed back to you, Senior Alejandro. Thank you,
Jason. That's some wonderful news that we heard today. Now for the
weather, just kidding, we're not going to go to weather. But what
we do want to do is let me look at any of the stories.
We just posted a story today on the breaking down the black budget. This
is of course by our unacknowledged aviation expert Michael Schratt, who's into black budgets
and stuff like that. So he took a look at that and has a
little study on, you know, how much money we got going on into
this black budget. We also posted some information about a video that I believe
we already talked about on the show, because this is a story that came
out last week on the Chilean government releasing some audio and some video. What
happened is that Antonio, since he has connections out there actually contacted some of
the officials in the area to get the da kalees about what cases they released
information on what information are we seeing in these videos, so you have some
more information about that. And we also just threw in kind of a little
extra, which is one of the UFO photographs from Chile recently which has been
studied and deemed to be unknown and it's a very very interesting picture that you'll
want to check out. Also, our very own Maureen Elsbury, the YouTube
superstar, has done a review on Cowboys and Aliens, So if you want
to see what she thought about the movie, then go check that out.
I know that some of the guys who met her at the conference are going
to want to try to study what types of movies she likes so they can
take her out to a movie because she is just a cutie. So other
stories that we have going on. I love talking about her because she gets
so embarrassed. Oh my gosh, I can't believe you talked about me on
the show. Some other stuff going on. Stanton Friedman, this is really
fun. He was one of the speakers at Moufun and he wrote a review
about a review. There was a review on the Area fifty one book where
they talked about Roswell and they kind of, you know, dissed on old
Stanton Friedman there, and Stanton ain't having none of that, so they were
very inaccurate. They didn't even say he was a nuclear physicist. They made
it sound like he's just some goofball out there. So he called him out
on it. He said, hey, people, let me tell you about
my credentials and show how you just accused Annie Jacobson of not doing her homework
and you didn't do your homework yourself. In fact, the quote that we
have on the expert excerpt, he says, frankly, I'm angry. So
Stanton's always fun to meet too. It's a lot of fun to see Stanton.
And then we've talked about the other story that we got up there,
so you can go see some of those videos that we talked about up there
on the site. Now, before I get into this interview with Gabe Valdez,
I want to explain a little bit more just to jog your memories.
I know I did this just a minute ago, but just give you a
little more information before we get into the interview. Because of course the way
gu gave is he's very to the point, and so I want to make
sure you guys understand what we're talking about here, and what we're talking about
is you know, he was a state patrol or a state highway patrol officer
in the seventies up until further than that in the northern New Mexico area around
dul Say. When CATA mutilations began, he started investigating those. Eventually,
because Paul Benowitz was a gentleman who started getting into UFO research, he met
Benowitz. Now Benowitz lived in Albuquerque and he lived right out out of the
gates of Kirkland Air Force Base, and he was taking video of lights in
the sky. He was also because he was very scientific minded. In fact,
he owned a science business that was of instruments, sold instruments and stuff
like that to Kirtland Air Force Base. He was very technical, and he
also created something where he was able to tune in on some sort of codes
or something like that. He felt that what he was seeing was UFOs and
these codes he was listening to were you know, from aliens. So he
went to talk to Kirkland Air Force Base. They listened to him. Now,
according to Richard Doty, and this is what he told someone, and
this is documented in the book by Greg Bishop. Richard Doty was in the
Air Force at the time as an intelligence officer, that what really Benowitz was
seeing were secret projects that were going on in Kirkland Air Force bace order to
throw him off the trail, just in case the Russians would come in and
hear about this and say, hey, you know what is this that you're
looking at. Let us hear these messages so that they would start to understand
our technology. They actively fed this gentleman disinformation to make him believe that these
were UFOs and aliens to support his ideas in that so that if Russians ever
heard of some guy videotaping lights and getting signals by Kirtland Air Force, instead
of looking into it, they'd be like, oh, look, this guy's
a crackpot because he thinks he's talking to aliens. Now that's the story now.
Dodie also, according to Greg Bishop, also said that he tried to
make Benowitz believe there was a secret underground base in the Dulce area that aliens
were there to further, you know, keep them away from the troops.
So that's kind of the background of that whole story. Actually, as we'll
ask Gabe about he became friends with Dodie as well, so we'll ask him
about his thoughts about all of this, what these gentlemen had told him.
And he's got he doesn't have a full hour. That's why we've taken a
little more than an hour in this. But let's go ahead and here what
mister Valdez has to say. All right, I am happy to talk to
someone I've been wanting to talk to for a long time, partially because a
lot of my heart's in New Mexico, but also because of course I'm so
interested in the subject we have gave Valdez on the line. Hello, Hi,
how are you okay? Good? Good? So I guess we'll just
start right off with how did you first get involved with the cattle mutilation?
Well, the first occurrence, it was it was a crime to come and
kill cattle, you know, Yeah, so that's why I got involved in
it. Yeah, yeah, I would investigate cattle rustling or somebody would try
to kill a cow and whatever it was. That was part of our our
job. So prior to the first mysterious cattle mutilation, I mean you had
probably seen cattle killed before, yes, And but what was it that in
your first mutilation? Uh, looked different or didn't look human, or at
least looked I guess, yeah, different to you. Well, there was
a lot of factors involved in it. The cattle, for they were killed,
there was slow access by vehicles, and the way they took they cut
them up. It had to be somebody doing it, uh huh. And
about what year was the first when you had seen seventy five, nineteen seventy
five, What were some of your thoughts? What were you thinking might have
constant? Well, you know, you there could be people doing it just
on purpose or but it was kind of a why were they taking certain body
parts off the animal? You know? And then the animals were dehydrating so
bad, you know, and the animals who need them or anything, Kyoto,
they wouldn't touch them. Now, I know in some of the investigations
I've gone on, you know, you look for prosaic answer of course first.
But at that time, you know, were there are people thinking that
of aliens or UFOs? And did you give any thought to that? No,
because we were finding physical evidence that at the crime scene. Uh huh.
And of course you know how things expand and they get off proportion,
and we were able to track for the aircraft was because of the turbulence secreated.
It flipped over cop heads and other debris that was not the same color.
See okay, And so this indicated to you a sort of helicopter.
Well, there was some type of aircraft involved, yes, and it had
to be a helicopter because it's kind of hard to fly six win aircraft in
that area. Yeah, they just can make it. So pretty early on
you felt it was some human group of people. Then what were some of
the other things that you found? I think you said you found other pieces
of evidence showing that. Yeah, we were able to find glow sticks,
radar chef mm hmmm, and gas masks yeah, and other some type of
other elements that they left on top of the height. Gotcha. How strange.
That's very strange. Was that kind of scary for people? Well,
a lot of people didn't know that. See see these areas where they they
did, where they killed these cattle. It's isolated and people don't have access
to it, but they will probably hear about it because of the news media.
Yeah. So then as a as a police officer, and the indications
are that it is foul play. Who I guess were your prime suspect.
Well, somebody someone was doing it and then they had access to all these
technology to do it. Uh huh so possibly a government group. Well someone
was behind and had access to it, that had uh ways to find that
area and do what they were doing. Mm hmm. So did you look
to I mean, on the locals or the owners of the cattle found out
that, you know, with people using technology, they must have wanted to
ijust it. Yeah, of course they didn't. They did a lot of
Like Manuel Gomez, they killed a bunch of these cattle. That that hurting
me. Yeah, that crime and other people up in Red River and Taos
also the same to you. Yeah, and all over the United States in
Colorado, Utah, Montana and all those places. So were you able to
try to get find out who it was I mean, and so these people
could be brought to justice. Well it's very confidential but very sensitive. Yeah.
Oh who the perpetrators were? Yes, I see. So during this
period of time, the FBI came into the area and conducted their own investigation.
No, they didn't do any of my investigations. They didn't come and
look at your evidence. No, So were you able to talk to the
FBI agent who supposedly did investigation. He was a retired FBI agent the District
Attorney's office in Santaity. It got a grant for a year to do investigations,
and he was a retired FBI agent, And we didn't have any immulations
at all for about seven years. I did talk to him more, but
we didn't have any single nothing happened during that time for a year or seven
years, so grand to nineteen eighty, but we didn't have any relations again.
Uh huh. So that report on the FBI website now, and his
conclusion eventually was that it was predators. But he was never able to do
investigation of an actual prime scene or anything not mine. He wanted to do
any No in my cases at all, right, and your case is certainly
weren't due to predator kill. Huh No. No, I was raised cattle
and all kinds of type of goats and everything. But no, and the
evidence that was left there. You know, predators don't leave gasmav ghos,
sticks, radar chef right, they don't leave that stuff. They don't have
vitamin B twelve. Right, so you were finding vitamin B twelve and radar
schaf. Can you explain what radar shaf is? It knocks out FAA towers
so you cannot see aircraft flying in the area. Mm hm so probably you
so they could get their their silent helicopters in and out. Yes, do
you have any idea why they might be doing this? We suspect something that,
like I said, it's true sensive. Yeah. Yeah. Now did
were you I guess ever threatened or told to stay away from the whole situation?
No? I was never know they placed listening devices in my house?
Oh they did? Did you find those? Yeah? And they did it
at the tribal Police building one dool See and the Tribal Administration building too.
Really Yeah? And did I think I've heard once that Manual Goms and their
family had Yeah, they made the same thing. And were you able to
ever find out who was that? But does we don't know who made them?
No? Because but U and they needed a search one to do it,
and they didn't do it. They violated, right and they committed crime
house. Yeah, that's awful. Does that frustrate you? Well, I've
seen a lot of this John going all over the place. But I knew
why were they doing that? It's predators. They were in history. Now
what the predators were doing the right? You don't place missing devices were sea?
Where the snakes or rats or birds or flying? Right? Does that
upset you that they did that to you at all? Well, I suspect
that they were going to do that. They were trying to find out what
we were doing. Fact, one day we followed one of the sophisticated orbs
that was monitoring, but we started speaking in Hi Korea and they got confused.
Really, what did this orb look like? They looked like a hotter
balloon? Uh huh. And luckily you had the advantage of speaking Hikorea.
Are you kick Korea patching yourself? No? You know the language? Yeah,
I spent twenty five years there. Uh huh. Now that you are
in that area also, right, Well, something it's different. They're in
Colorado, but doocy, it's about eighty miles away from me. Mm hm.
The utes are about it's north west of the Hickoria Reservation. I also
saw on an interview with Manuel Gomez that he felt that the crafts that were
doing this to his animals were coming from an underground based under the Archiletta Masa.
No, that's where they were landing. They were landing on a mesa.
Yes, to do other stuff, the other sensitive stuff. Oh,
I see, okay, and oh it's not it's Mount Mount archi Letta Okay,
okay. Yeah. And I had also in the Greg Bishop's book had
read that you had confronted some of the helicopters, I think on Mount Archiletta.
No, it was at the doc A script Oh okay, yeah,
And I heard that at least I think he he told that from Benowitz perspective,
who had told him Paul Benoitt that you know that everybody was afraid,
but you and you bravely kind of went over there and said, hey,
what are you guys up to? Yeah? They and what happened? Uh?
I don't know if there's some explanation there why Benowitz was up there,
there were tracking benwood Stone, uh huh. And they they wouldn't let him
get close to for the activity was going on. Hmm. Now do you
believe then there is some sort of underground based in that area? Yeah,
there is. There's four of them, four of them. Are they active?
I don't think there are. They had a fire. They're nineteen ninety
six and they plugged one of them up and the other ones are plugged apostle.
Really wow. So, and of course there's also the rumors of aliens
being in these bases. No, I never did see any aliens basis.
What we saw was physical activity from within a resources. Now have you seen
or any UFOs in the area. I've seen the sophisticated aircraft, but not
the other type. Now, what do they look like? They look like
what it's a sophisticated aircraft, not like the spells more advanced steals. Oh
really? Yeah? Wow? And are they kind of a delta or angular
shaped like that? Yes? Wow? And have you seen then the silent
helicopters also, people have seen the helicopters are black and silent. And some
people did report him and see they would do one incident like tonight, and
then they'd wait forward three months to do the other one. If we would
set up surveillance, it become hard to see there for three months, you
know, uh huh. Yeah. So another person who talked about the bases
in the area is or talked before he passed away with Phil Schneider. And
actually you helped with the investigation of his death. Yes, how did that
happen? How did you get involved? Well, through some other resources and
his wife asked me to help. Uh huh, and you were able to
What were your conclusions? Well, but the he was there was something around
his neck plastic that cost us strigulation. So it wasn't a suicide. No,
unless he did it himself. You know, that hasn't been verified.
You know. Oh, okay, somebody else could have done it, not
related to that, you know, so it could have been a suicide.
Well, that's kind of hard. You don't see too many suicides like that,
okay, gotcha. You can see him with people shooting themselves or cutting
the wrists or something, bleeding to death or taking an overdose or something.
Do you believe his death had anything to do with the work that he did
or alleges to have done. Well, it's kind of hard, and it's
up to the Shuret's office up there to determine that, you know. Uh,
yeah, gotcha. Yeah. So it's a very active and interesting area
you're in now. Paul Benowitz, one of the people who is the main
proponent of some of these stories about the underground bases and aliens and stuff like
that. He's someone that you actually met and or was friends with for a
period of time. Yes, I became real really involved with him. Uh
huh. So. And the story is, and even Richard Dodie, who
worked for Air Force, as you know because you know him as well,
he has told people such as great bishops Bishop in his book who up Great
Bishop of course talk to you as well, that he was giving wrong information
to Benowitz. Were you able to witness that the well Benowitz was was very
good too giving me information and after we researched the area, it was true.
But I don't know what Richard Doughty was communicating with Paul Bedwitz. I
know they we're following you. Uh huh that that Dody was following Benewett,
Yeah, air Force Inteligence, Uh yeah, yeah. Because one of the
things that Dody had said is that he was the one who told uh Benewitt
that there was that base ender an adult area and had supposedly planted jeeps and
stuff there to make it look like there was something there to make him believe
that. No, because it is true, because we did find out what
Benowitz talked about It's true. It's if he did it and somebody else.
I don't know why I would do that, but for Benowitz too, because
took me and showed me for these things are that's true? Uh? Huh?
Did I do? When you talk to Dody? How did your relationship
begin with him? Well? He became a state police officer too, And
I get along with Richard Doty. I don't and I don't push him around
or ask him what was your Why did to do it? He had his
job to do. He wasn't doing anything criminal. Well according to him,
he well he was, or at least you know, I hadn't thought it
but this way. But he says that it was part of his job to
break into Benewitz his house or his lab to see what he was up to.
Would that be legal for the Air Force to do that? I don't
think so. That's if he would have had a search one then it would
have been following the procedurecy, Yeah, yeah, go ahead. Why were
they going to do that if it wasn't true of what was going on?
Why it's so much concern? Well, according to Doty, it was because
he was seeing things at Kirkland Air force base that were secret, and so
his boss wanted him to think it was alien stuff so that the Russians wouldn't
get a clue of what was really going on. Well that's probably true,
you know. Yeah, but what he what he showed us up there was
true. It wasn't a lie. Yeah, it was pretty good information he
gave me. Yeah. Well, and it kind of fits with what you're
saying, because you're saying that it's not UFO stuff, it's human staff.
Yes, and they dropped. They made a mistake. One time. There
was a middilation in Chimayoni, Mexico by Espanola, and they dropped. They
would pick up the cattle or the cows and take them or do something with
him away from where they first got killed. Now and they bring them back
and drop them on the ground. See. But one time they dropped one
on top of a twenty four tree, and my old cows don't jump that
hunt. Yeah, so the cow is up in the tree. They dropped
it on top of a twenty foot tree. Wow did you see that one?
Yeah? Wow? Did you happen to take pictures? Yeah? I
have pictures of it. Oh wow? Would you be able to share this
or maybe if I came high, Yeah, I'd have to look for them
and see. Yeah, but there was other state police officers there with me
at the time that sid Yeah, what did your colleagues think? I mean,
what were your Did they think of you as kind of weird for looking
into this or did they see that what you were looking at was was real?
Well, you know and all these stuff. They think that, But
it was a job to investigate what was going on, you know. Yeah,
yeah, for that they were they were taking away the livelihood of these
ranchers, right, So there was there need justice to be had? I
mean, were there anybody who was like a politician or perhaps your boss who
was willing to try to stand up for these people and hold whatever clandestine group
was doing this accountable. No, I never did that. Nobody interfered with
me or anything. Yeah, but nobody's kind of well. I was very
fortunate that the state police didn't tell me don't do this, don't do that.
Yeah, but nobody went to confront whoever this was. Huh. No,
Well, we at that time, we didn't know who really was involved
it. Yeah, do you think you know now? Well, yeah,
I know, but it's real sensity is there any way to bring these people
to justice or make them stop. Probably they're not doing them now. They
must. They did some up in Trinidad, Colorado, I think a year
ago. Uh huh, yeah, that's one of them I saw because we
went on a few investigations in that area. Yet a couple of years ago
in Trinidad, and like you said, this thing looked like it had been
dropped. There's no way vehicles could get in there. And one thing that
I find interesting is that, you know, people like FBI or someone will
come in and say it's cattle mutilation, but the ranchers themselves, who see
animals die a lot, know that it's not. No, it's different.
A lot of ranchers see their cattle die of some other you know, they
eat a lot of afalfa. Cattle cannot eat out alfa, they blowed and
die, and you see a lot of incidents like that or other things,
you know, and it's completely different. Yeah. Yeah, and they know
they know what's going on, you know. Yeah, Yeah, it's pretty
unfortunate. Yeah. So so with uh, yeah, with Dodie then you
never really talked to him about this stuff. Yeah, we talked about it,
and I knew that he was involved with Air Force intelligence. Uh huh.
And of course you have to have some respect how you confront people too,
because that was his job, you know. Yeah, yeah, and
Benowitz was communicating with them, you know. Yeah. Yeah. The reason
I asked, you know, was that criminal. I really had never thought
of it until I spoke with h. I did an interview with John Alexander,
who was an Army colonel, and he said he didn't believe that Dodi
was following orders. He think Dody was making this stuff up to tell Benawitz
this stuff because he didn't believe the Air Force would tell him to break the
law and break into benwit his house. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe
that went overboard, you know, uh huh, because he says, yeah,
that would not be legal. It's not legal. Is there anything that
you could, like advice you would give to someone who this is happening to
what they can do. They need to be real careful whether they look at
one of them animals, Uh huh. Yeah, I'm careful of of toxic
stuff or just that careful being exposed to them. Yeah, okay, is
the B twelve that they use dangerous at all? Not to be twelve be
twelve enhances the immune system. Okay, why do you think it's found in
these mutilations? The research they were doing that because of whatever? Do you
have any idea what kind of research that is? Well, yeah, but
the true sensity? Yeah, that you can't talk about that. So have
you been has someone come and told you? What? Have you been told?
Exactly what it is? Well, we know through the research that we
did. Oh okay, I see see. So that's how you were able
to figure that out. So but luckily you haven't gotten any trouble. Huh
no, thanks God. Yeah, what about this? I have some attorneys
that know about the U huh about it and some high level people that are
aware of it in case something you know, uh huh. Yeah. It's
just if they were doing experiments, why wouldn't they take the body, why
would they bring them back? Yeah, that was a mistake. They maybe
they should have just taken him and not bring him back Burnham or do away
with them. Well that he trying to make people think that aliens were involved
or animals. I see. So it's kind of similar to to that other
stuff making people. Yeah, I believe, and that's a mistake that they
were making see. Yeah, do you think that there are animals that still
disappear for experiments but just are not returned. Well, apparently not because people
are close to their animals and they would notice something missing or something dead,
you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's unfortunate. And
they do have natural causes. They're telling them that the tonsils are not missing,
yeah, or the have a okay, yeah, how has Manuel Gomez?
How does he feel now? Well? Well, that's pretty bad.
He made that impact on him, you know. Yeah. If you pretty
destroy all than Kevin, that's your livelihood, you know. Yeah, and
even if you lose even four or five hit of ken they're taking two thousand
dollars away from you. Yeah. A lot of people depend on that for
their livelihood, you know, to survive. Mm hmm. Has he ever
tried to sue the government? Well, he doesn't know who to sue,
so there's nothing he can do. And unfortunately, I mean, no one's
willing to I guess investigate further. Huh, well no it will, I
guess not. But if you know who it was, would you know then
you know who to sue, right, Well, I don't want to make
any comments about that, yeah, I guess are these people who are people
who are beyond reproach? Well, it's sent to the black I said,
you know, how do you feel about what they're doing? Do you feel
it's wrong? Well, it's wrong, you know. Yeah, there's how
would people be able to protect themselves or their cattles from there? Just stay
with the cattle and sleep with its something, you know. Yeah, there's
not much you can do with No, there's not much you can do.
There's some people who claim this sort of thing has happened to humans. Do
you believe that it's possible that would have happened to humans too? Yeah?
None of the cases that I investigated had anything and investigated a lot of death
Yeah, about how many do you think? Oh? Probably a good two
hundred. Wow. And this is just in the New Mexico area. Yeah,
just because will stake police offs in New Mexico. Yeah. Would you
ever help with investigations in Colorado? Yes? Because I know a lot have
happened up there. Huh. Yes. Are there other strange unusual things you've
investigated in that area? No? Well, yeah, some other very sensitive
stuff too, But it's research that's going on. Huh, because I know
at least in Pagosa Springs, which isn't too far and on the Colorado side.
And even in that area, there's lots of other weird things like lights
in the sky that are reported, balls of lights in the mountains. Have
you seen that or investigated that? Yeah, some of them might have.
Have you seen that yourself? Yeah, I know how to take pictures of
the they're going to stealth. Yeah, the balls of light. Yeah,
what do you think those are? Well, they do that. It's a
technology that does it. Okay, Yeah, so you still think that.
And what about there's also reports of bigfoot a lot in the area. That's
another thing. It's images, just images that are created exactly with some sort
of technology technology. Uh huh, all of this kind of to trick and
pull people. Yes, so that's a very active and area and whatever secret
group is going on down there. Yeah. Do you think it's the most
active area in the country. Well, they had it in Utah, they
head in Colorado, they had it all over the place, you see,
uh huh. But it created a lot of attention because the other tunnels,
which tunnels, the ones that are up there, see that are at the
Archeleta Mountain. H in the Dulce area. Yeah, oh area, Yeah,
I know. I've heard of tunnels that were created because they were going
to store nuclear waste under the Archileta Mountain. That's possible. But there's other
tunnels also well that that. Yeah, there's about four of them, and
these are entryways to the secret basis. Yeah. Are they still active entry
waste, Well, they're not active unless they couldn't see in that area.
It's very hard because the other terrain, the mountains had a lot of stuff.
Unless you're up there monitoring twenty four hours a day, you can see
it seem he could move in the terrains very rough, you know. Card
Some people have talked about, you know, underground rail system that connect these
bases and bases, even to like Los Solomos and to currently Air Force base.
Do you think those exists. I've never seen that. You know,
you do hear a lot of it, uh huh, but I've never seen
it. Yeah. People have also reported strange noises in the area. Yes,
people have said that. But and then there's a confusion that you might
hear human beings for doing or equipment working there, and that's where the noise
comes from. See, do you live in d'lta now No, no,
oh you're in Albuquerque. Yes, yeah, I love it out there personally.
So how long have you been out there? Oh? Over twenty years?
So as far as you know there's clandestine activity going on, is it
well known throughout the state patrol? Well, and then it breaks up,
it picks up, But we haven't had any activity going on since ninety seven,
ninety eight Middle ass up in Red River in towns and then he dies
down. Do you think that they only work in these places periodically or do
you think they're not there anymore? I don't think they're there anymore because there's
no reports of it anymore. See, like I say, in nineteen eighty,
started nineteen eighty, we didn't have any for seven years. Uh huh.
So it's only periodical. Yeah. So and you think maybe they only
come to these like underground laboratories to do certain experiments occasionally, yes, uh
huh wow. And you think it's tax money that goes to these programs.
It has to be who else is doing it? Yeah, somebody else is
doing We don't have any defense against it. Yeah, that's not good.
Huh. If they can come and do that and operate freely without no inner
fears. Mm hmm, then we don't have any security all. Yeah.
Now, I know you went to the recent conference on those, say Binario
Harakawa. Yes, how do you feel about people believing in the UFOs and
aliens in that area? Well, they probably what they see is very advanced
to abandsmology. Yeah, and it hasn't been disclosed. So if those government
people are trying to make people think it's UFO's and aliens, they're doing a
good job. Oh yeah, anything you know, Yeah, and it's kept
USh yeah. Yeah. Do you think like other people in the government,
like the President know about it. I don't know if he does it or
not, or if they share that information with him or not. Do you
think that the FBI knows about it? Uh? Probably they they I don't
know if they do or not. Probably the top level does, but I
don't I don't think they really knows what's behind it, you know. Yeah.
Yeah. Do you think that investigation that the FBI did in the seventies,
do you think he was genuinely looking for answers trying or do you think
he's just kind of trying to write it off? Well, no, they
got that Brant in nineteen eighty it was, and then we didn't have anything
because the people were pushing the district attorney to find some answers to its anythink
they're really trying to predators. The only thing they saw was animals that had
died probably a natural causes, but did actually with the relations. So they
genuinely tried to look ranters. It's just nothing was happening there. Justify the
the grant that was given to Yeah, so they tried, do you know,
have other organizations like do you know that CIA or or air Force is
coming to try to investigate also, not that I'm aware of. No,
I don't know. Yeah, so do you know then? So you probably
believed in that Richard Dody did know what was going on in that area.
He probably did know something, but he purforcing I don't think Perforce intelligence and
knew exacted everything was going on. They probably they knew a lot about the
sophisticated aircraft, but the other stuff that was going on he probably didn't know.
Wow, so it gets pretty complicated. Yeah, why do you think
they hide what they're doing because it's very sensitive what it is. Uh huh,
But I mean, but it's important enough to it's a great crimes for
well, apparently it is. You know, what they did, it was
a citative mm hmm. I mean, do you think it's worth it?
Well, probably after you It might be that they don't want for the public
to know about it. Yeah yeah, but is that justified. Well,
they ought to compensate the people that they took the money away from the right,
right, they were going to do that. They could have bought animals
and do the research on it. Uh huh, yeah, yeah, but
they didn't want to know what's going on. They didn't want people to know
why the research. Excuse me, So, do you think Richard Dody believed
in UFOs and aliens? No? I don't well that I don't know.
I'm not sure, do you No? No? No. And then with
Paul Benowitz, he had a breakdown, unfortunately, a mental breakdown where he
was institutionalized for a period of time, which is very unfortunate. Have you
talked to him after that, No, at least not around anymore. Oh
right, yeah, now she just passed. Yeah, but did you were
you around when that happened? Well, I knew he was having some type
of he was having problems here. Yeah, yeah, that's too bad,
and you think, do you think it's dangerous to get too worked up or
like he did, get too wrapped up in some of that stuff. Well,
it's advanced technology and you never know how it's going to affect you,
see. Uh huh, so the technology itself might have affected him. He
could have so. And then I guess when you know, talking about just
because I have friends and stuff who do investigate cattle mutilations and who knows.
I mean again once as well, what are the sort of chemicals we need
to be careful of? And that's very sensitive too, Okay, what kind
of precautions would you recommend? Just stay away from those skettles? Just stay
away. Yeah, and if it's happening to you, there's nothing you can
do about it. Yeah, that's frustrating. I'm sure a lot of people
would be frustrated to know that. Yeah, but there's just nothing they can
do. Huh yeah, Well that's too bad. All right? Well,
so how about now do you mind like going to the conferences and do you
go there to speak and kind of let people know about at least what you've
told me? No, I don't talk, I don't get up and talk.
No, you just go to kind of see people and see what's going
on. Yeah, you think it's important people know that it's not UFOs and
aliens. Yeah. Well, I think people are kind of finding out that
he probably wasn't because if it's twofos and aliens, they can come and take
our houses up in the air and we don't have any depends on it,
right, Yeah, yeah, if it's right, if aliens have that advanced
technology, they rule the whole world. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it
makes sense. I remember one story, you know, of a guy in
the valley San Luis at Valley which is you know, the Colorado side up
there, and he said, I'm pretty sure it was a valley where he
said, you know, he saw wind around his house and he went outside
and he knows he couldn't see it, he couldn't hear it, but there's
wind around his house. And he knew there was a helicopter above his house
because he used to be in the military and he knew what helicopters were like
when they're right above you. And then the next day he found one of
his animals utilated. Yeah. Yeah, and that's kind of the typical story
that you found. Huh. Yeah, if you ever come into Albuquerque.
Give me a call. Okay, I will for sure, because I'd love
to meet you and talk. And you know, I thank you for the
work you did. At least it seemed that you were taking these guys serious
at a time when other people weren't. Yeah, well you see it,
you know, when you get really involved in it, you know, uh
huh. They were doing it. They were repeating these things. Then you
finding out more and you go along, you know, right right. Okay,
Well, thank you so much for talking to me today. Okay,
and you have a great evening. Okay, talk to you later. But
some very interesting information. Could it be that there is a secret government agenda
to mutilate the cattle, to leave them or to come drop them near where
they were taken in order to make us believe that extraterrestrials are at fault when
indeed it is the government themselves, those sons of Now, when I've done
the investigating myself, the hard part with this theory is that, well,
every piece could work if it was really I mean, I guess clandestine,
you know, secret stuff. But the problem I have is, for instance,
the one in Colorado that I did last well, really the only one
that I've really gotten in depth investigation into was on a busy road. And
you know, this is a very rural area, so there's only one road
that goes even into these other towns, and a busy road. The animal
was below a draw, you know, in a stream it was found in,
So it's kind of this gully. But this gully is a few hundred
feet there's a house on the south and a few hundred to the north,
and so it's not that far that a house is out there, and it's
by this busy road that is traversed. You know, at least you can't
go a couple of minutes without a carbon buy So why do it in an
area that is so highly visible. They would have had to, i mean,
really snuck in to do this thing. It would have to be very
coordinated and careful. So why would they put themselves at risk? Why would
they put this technology at risk when they could just take the animal and keep
it. Was it a mistake, like mister Valdez had suggested, But if
these are such complicated, intelligent programs, why would they make a mistake like
that for so very long? I don't know. Of course, At the
same time, This is a gentleman who is a state patrol officer in the
area where this sort of thing happened the most. And he is a professional
investigator, criminal investigator, and he put his skills at task here, and
he even says he knows what organization is committing these criminal acts. And I
guess that's one of the things that's really frustrating. I'm the type of person
where I probably would stop at nothing, at least over time, I would
do my best to bring these people to justice because this is just so incredibly
wrong. First of all because it's taking money from all of these people,
but second of all because of course, as you all know, I'm a
big animal lover, so much so that I'm a vegetarian, and so is
Jason and Marine, although I think that I love animals more than they do,
because I don't know why I say that. Actually, anyway, very
interesting conclusions that he comes to, interesting ideas, and who is this organization
that is doing this, and of course it makes it very mysterious, and
I wish you would share with me who he thinks these guys are. However,
I do want to give you guys some special news to thank you for
listening to the radio show. This is something that we have not announced yet
that will probably be announced publicly very soon, but I want to let you
in on our UFO Congress speakers. Now this year, what we did is
gone for some of the top guys, some of that you know people.
Everybody's been setting us who they want. So we've gotten the biggest requested people
and that is Stephen Greer will becoming Colin Andrews Whitley Striever and those are some
of the biggest requests. And on top of that, this is really exciting
because we're gonna have General Bermudas so we're gonna have a general there, and
he's a Chilean general who's in charge of their research out there. So it
was actually I told you earlier that we have a story about the Chilean government
UFO research group releasing some information. This guy is the boss, so we're
getting him to come. But it was his assistant second in command that Antonio
had talked to and got that information from. In this for the story that
we have on the website about what information it was that they recently released and
the details about that when they actually released it. So this is some exciting
stuff for those him Musan fans. Him Musan will be coming back. He
wasn't there last year or this year, but he will be for our twenty
twelve. And then we've also of course got our good buddy Ben Hansen who
we saw on It moufon, the guy who is the lead investigator for The
Factor fake television show. And we have David Hatchet Childress from chient Aliens and
more. So it's going to be a great conference, but we're out of
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