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Look Hot Radio. Welcome to Open
Minds Radio with Alejandro Rojas. Open Minds

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Radio is a UFO news authority presenting
evidence and the latest news regarding the UFO

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phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro
Roja. Welcome to Open Minds Radio.

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This is Alejandro Rojas. Do you
guys like it when I talk like that?

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Someone on YouTube said that my voice
was making his ears bleed or something

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awful like that. But I know
that people like me because we went to

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move On this weekend and we met
the coolest people in the whole world California

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move On. And we should have
known, you know, there would be

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some people that work in the industry, as they call it, the industry.

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Everybody wants to work in Hollywood type
stuff. Got to brag a little

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bit, especially because we have to
say hi to our friends that work at

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the Simpsons, because we heard there
are some people that work at the Simpsons

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that like us, They really really
like us, and they listen to the

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show and one of them is with
any like going to draw Jason and I

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simpsonized, don't put him on the
spot. We're gonna be simpsonated. Now

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he's got to do it. You
can just do it really quick little stick

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figures. That's just having it from
you would be wonderful. That's gonna be

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at It was so cool talking to
him, and by the way, he

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treated us to something that was extra
special that you can check out as well.

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Go to YouTube and search for Whistle
while you work and you will see

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some adorable little birdies doing some funny
stuff and you're gonna love it. So

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check out YouTube Whistle while you work
also, and we're que Simpson fans.

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I mean, come on, who
isn't. That's why they've been around forever

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and ever. In fact, I
even had when the movie came out and

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all the seven elevens were like Quickie
Marks. I have like the whole set

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of the Simpson Quickie Mark cups and
I use them all the time. Stop

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using them. You're gonna wear them
out, I know, but I can't

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help it. They're cool and they're
great size. It was an excuse to

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go get slurpies. I love slurpies. Anyway, Thank you very much for

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passing by and saying hello to you. Also, we have a buddy who

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passed by and listened to the show
who works on Marvel Comics. I won't

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use names just in case they don't
want me to. I know some don't.

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And his buddy is a movie star, literally, and he came by.

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We got to talk to him.
So it was a lot of fun.

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Let alone all of the super cool
people at MOFON, and I got

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to tell you guys, you know, there is some controversy. Sometimes people

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are like, oh, man,
move On. They're evil and they're so

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bad and they're working with the government. Of course I was with move On

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and I'm not with the government,
which is good because the government doesn't get

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paid much, although they get a
pension. My mom's got this great pension.

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She worked with the government. But
they're the greatest people. People like

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we're just laughing about Cliff or Cliff
who runs move On. He's the international

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director and he's such a funny,
goofy guy. He is just so funny

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that if you met this guy,
you would just fall in love with him.

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So, if you have a UFO
organization that brings people in and maybe

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some people in your organization are skeptical
about mof ON, no problem in vite

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Cliff or some of the other directors. Jan he's the OC section director.

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He actually put on this conference.
He's also on the board of directors for

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Moufon. He's a great guy.
My buddy. The Switex that are out

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there, they are a wonderful family. They're out there. My good friend.

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You guys have heard Chuck Sukowski on
the show. His sister Debbie ziegel

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Meyer, who's been on the show
herself, who's a Missouri state director.

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Now she's a new director on the
board. Tom Dooley is a director,

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Tom Whitmore. I mean, these
are really cool, great guys, and

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if you go to the conference,
you meet them and you get to find

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out they're down to earth, regular
guys doing their best to try to move

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this whole field forward. Some of
them, sure, Tom Dooley worked for

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Defense, He worked for NSA,
actually I believe it is what it was.

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One of them had worked for the
FBI. John Shusher, my good

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buddy who we've had on the show
and who we wrote about in the magazine,

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he worked for NASA. That doesn't
mean they're evil government people hiding stuff.

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That means that they're even more capable
of doing this work of trying to

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find the answers. And if you
met and talked to them, you would

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see, they have no love for
the secrets that they're just the opposite.

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They're trying to find more answers,
and because of the jobs that they were

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at, they understand that there are
secrets to be at, that there's some

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stuff to get to there. So
there's some great people. I did want

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to mention, of course, story
Musgrave. That was an interesting thing.

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Probably some of you are wondering how
that went. He's an astronaut who came

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and spoke as a keynote speaker who
does not believe there's anything to the UFO

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phenomena that is misidentified. He himself
took some pretty popular videos of UFOs in

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space and he pretty much said that
he just couldn't identify what they were,

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but they were pretty much some sort
of space junk from the Shuttle that he

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just wasn't sure what it was.
And he was kind of funny because he

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was not nice about it. I
felt maybe a little condescended to maybe a

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tiny bit. And Jason you can
where he was like, you people are

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creative and imaginative and it's great,
and I kind of felt like, you

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know, yeah, you guys are
special class, and we need those people

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in special class. You know it's
cute the way you ride to school in

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your little yellow bus. But he
was a very nice guy at the very

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least, and shared with us some
pretty incredible stories, although he doesn't really

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put much credence into this. Although, of course some of the ideas that

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are put forth can get pretty out
there, so I can see how some

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people would feel that way. But
overall, it was a wonderful time.

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It was I had a lot of
fun. And Jason, did you want

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to share your move On experiences?
I did all of my sharing this past

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week man at move On, Well, you have to talk. Just because

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you talked a lot this weekend doesn't
mean you can come on the show and

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say I've been talked out. I
don't believe I said that. This is

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radio I interpreted it. We had
a great weekend to move On, met

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so many wonderful people and it was
great. We actually met a lot of

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new friends and saw lots of old
friends. Yeah, and it was great

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to meet some people, some of
our listeners for the first time. Some

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of them we've met before or interacted
with online. But it was those events

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are always fun to meet the people
face to face. And was it a

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favorite? I had a favorite person
who I met? Did you? Oh,

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I'm seeing if I can guess who
your favorite person was, it's not

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that hard to figure out me.
No, the movie star girlfriend. Oh,

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because I guess she's a movie star
too. I didn't recognize her,

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but she and I hope she doesn't
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But I don't think she's into this
stuff. But whoa, mama. She

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was very you're pretty. She was
fun to meet, and I don't know,

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I think I think because of who
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they spent there, going around and
talking to absolutely everybody there, talking to

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the speakers, talking to vendors,
and this actor himself was very interested in

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learning and you know, gathering as
much information as possible. We spent a

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lot of time talking with him,
and she was right there by him,

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and she was she was kind of
taking it all in as well. Now,

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And I thought that gives me inspiration
too when you see a movie star

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person, because these, of course
are very influential people. Uh, And

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you know, then there's that conversation
going on. We know it anyway because

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we see it reflected in the movies
and the media and stuff like that,

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but it's kind of cool when they're
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something like that an event. Absolutely, and like you said, I mean

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it was oh see, you know, California, and there were lots of

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Hollywood representatives there, I guess you
could say. And it's always wonderful,

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you know. I think the negative
idea that a lot of people think when

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they hear of movie stars or any
celebrity type person exploring the UFO subject,

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they think they're going to be goofy
and silly and think that it's kind of

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a weird, kind of I don't
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But the people we talked to this
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were actually put off by some of
the things that they had heard, you

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know, from some people that are
really far fetched ideas or things that have

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no sort of scientific background or any
references, just claims that people make with

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no backing it up at all.
And that's the thing that they were frustrated

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with. They want well, like
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want right, But it was great
to hear that they were digging for that

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information. They wanted to talk to
the incredible people they were put off by

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some of the silliness and they were
looking for the serious aspect of apology.

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Yeah. Now the second my second
favorite person I met who I haven't mentioned

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yet, and I don't think he'll
mind that. He last out too,

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and a very pretty bond girl,
gorgeous in fact. Lee Spiegel absolutely love

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Huffington Post. Of course we talked
about him a lot because he's writing and

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he's on a Huffington Post. I
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sees Arianna a lot, and some
people might be upset, but I'm a

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bit. I'm an Ariana Huffington fan
and I love of course, we're into

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the social media and all that,
so we love to see what he does

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there or Huffington does there. But
Lee Spiegel was an absolutely super cool guy.

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Lee is great. It was wonderful
to meet him. And yeah,

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Les is one of the mainstream journalists
who writes on this topic regularly. That's

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his beat, yep, And you're
right, so we do sight to his

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articles a lot in our news.
I'm sure he'll have he was probably busy.

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He didn't get one up today,
but I'm sure he'll have a couple

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out this week. That'll be generated
from this conference, just like he did

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three or four from conference. You
and I talked about this, but it's

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always so so much of a relief
when you meet these people who you've known

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of for quite a while and you
know, you follow their work, you

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reference their work, so you finally
meet them, you always have to cross

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your fingers and hope they're not big
jerks. Yeah. Well, and I

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showed to you a couple of other
people I met too that were really cool.

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We're people that we had on the
show recently. Ted Peters sat at

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the table next to him and his
wife were great people. And then Joe

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mc mcmonagall, who I've never met
either. I was excited to have I

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was excited. I'm always excited to
have everybody on the show. But it

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was great to meet them because him
and his wife were also really cool people.

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And it was fun to meet Story
musk Grave because he single handedly built

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the Hubble telescope. Yeah, yeah, he says, he built, according

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to him, yeah, in his
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and thank goodness he did. Yeah. We enjoy the pictures. Yeah,

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he takes some great pictures with his
big camera. Oh yeah, and

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I should mention moving on from Move
On our guest this evening who for me,

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it's kind of a milestone for me
to have him on the show,

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because you guys know, I've had
great Bishop on especially lately. And some

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others who I've talked about, Richard
Doty, who is an Air Force intelligence

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officer I've talked about, you know, his escapades, and Paul Benowitz,

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who was unfortunately a gentleman that Richard
Doty fed disinformation too, and who a

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gentleman who ultimately had a breakdown which
was very unfortunate. And there's another player

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in here, kind of off to
the side, who is a state police

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officer for New Mexico who was assigned
to the Dulce area and investigated cattle mutilations

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when they stretched in the seventies started
happening in northern New Mexico and then also

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met and became friends with Paul Benowitz, and eventually met and became friends with

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Richard Doty also, So he's got
some insights on all of this and especially

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cattle mutilations because he believes he knows
who's doing it and why, and he's

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going to tell us all about that
later. On in the show. He's

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very difficult to get ahold of or
to interview. We had quite a time

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getting a hold of him and getting
to interview him. He's very short in

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his answers, very precise and to
the point, so it's only you know,

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we probably won't be talking to him
too long. But I'm glad that

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we were able to get him on
the show and be able to talk to

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him so i can get some of
these answers that I've been curious about here,

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because, as I've said on the
show before, I think a lot

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of the mythology that we all believe
in comes from this whole era of this

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information that Richard Doty was feeding us, and it's important for us to try

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to read out what if any of
that is real and what is not in

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the motivations behind why this all happened
and why this information got out. So

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this will be a spectacular interview,
and you people are so very fortunate to

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be listening and to be able to
hear this interview. But before that,

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there is a lot of UFO news
that has gone on, and Jason mc

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clellan, our news correspondent, is
going to tell us all about it.

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Ola Alejandro and hello everybody out in
radio land, and to our video viewers,

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remember we do have video with the
show that you can watch live on

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Openlindes TV, as well as after
the fact on YouTube and elsewhere. We

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are all over the internet. YouTube
rocks. But this is your Open Minds

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Newsbreeper, Monday, August first,
twenty eleven. We'll start off with a

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story that was early last week.
I think that's when it was out.

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I know we've been talking about this
one for a little bit, but witness

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has observed a circular UFO in the
night sky above San Paulo, Brazil,

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on Saturday, July twenty third,
and the object in the sky hovered and

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it rotated like a ferris wheel.
White or light blue lights around the circumference

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of the UFO flashed or pulsed as
the object rotated. Additionally, a large

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blue light was in the center of
the object. According to UOL News in

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Brazil, one of the witnesses described
it was like a round disc with a

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lot of blue lights and was very
high. Everyone stopped to watch. It

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looked like a movie scene. The
UFO in the video was quite a spectacle

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and certainly looks mysterious. However,
the object is most likely to be of

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terrestrial origin. The spinning of the
object and its multiple lights are characteristic of

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an LED adorned remote control aerial vehicle
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balloon or helicopter. One of the
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someone put a lighted kite in the
sky. A similar object floated over Rio

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Dejannaro in two thousand and nine.
That ufo had a large screen on the

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bottom of it with a reported fifteen
thousand bulbs. But according to Globo,

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a one hundred and sixty foot steel
cable attached to a helicopter was suspending the

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work of an American artist. So
this artist created this UFO and put all

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of these LED lights on the bottom
of it, and he could control the

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flashing and the patterns that the lights
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while it is certainly possible that this
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entirely the Rio Desannaro artist created UFO
supports the notion that the July twenty third

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San Paolo ufa was also man made. It looks like it is because it's

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a circular blue lights that looked like
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on it just today and as a
follow up, a lot of people have

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it. They've kind of caught on
late. Yeah, the story came out

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in a few sources, and then
a few days later a bunch of sources

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came out with it. But nobody
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one person who said it can't be
a kite because it stays out of forty

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five degree angle the whole time,
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that could be, but it's certainly
because it's a circular light. It's cool

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look and that's for sure. And
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yeah, I thought there would be
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on Friday and today, at the
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a lot of news stories from major
media outlets on this story. So I

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looked at them and yeah, they're
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Yeah. Yeah, but it is
a fun video, so if you haven't

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seen it, be sure to go
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several links on it from our website
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and we also have the one from
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Janiero on there too. But it
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you got your story up because it
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on it drove a lot of traffic
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Well, A UFO in the sky
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last Monday morning by a new station's
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of our listeners we met at Moufon
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Thank you can. So this was
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camera, and the NBCDFW video shows
a white light rapidly entering the frame from

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the top right of the screen.
The UFO then makes a quick forty five

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degree turn and speeds out a frame. It is possible take the object in

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the video is simply an insect,
but its identity remains a mystery. According

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to Bruce Phelps of NBCDFWE, investigators
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I haven't heard anything about any follow
up with that, so who knows that

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they actually did. But this video
comes just two months after another NBC affiliate

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KSHB in Kansas City, Missouri,
caught a UFO on video with their tower

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camera, and I believe that was
the Harry Potter car. That was a

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weird one. Yeah, that one, I would say, I don't know

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what the heck that Harry Potter car
was. This one, to me looks

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like a bug. It certainly looks
like because it flies in and then it

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turns goes away. And why wouldn't
you see it before? Why would you

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see just this light when it gets
close to the camera and goes away because

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it was captured by the light of
the camera, so as it got closer,

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it kind of flew away. And
the reason I say this is because

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I've done lots of paranormal investigation and
it reminds me of night vision, right,

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because when you're doing night vision,
your night vision camera only can put

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light out to a certain not very
far, and so you'll see things fly

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into that light and fly out,
and it's like as if they come and

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go really quick. It's something you
have to be careful of. So it

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looks a lot like the night vision
stuff that I've done when a bug flies

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in and flies out real quick.
That's what I think it was, but

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I could be roun Yeah, we
don't know. I mean, it definitely

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looks like a bug, but it
could be al Yeah, alf I mean,

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I hope not have a weird looking
dude ol spreaking. Here's a story

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from today. Researchers claim that they
can reproduce complex crop circles with the aids

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of with the aid of a tool
that they put together and can be easily

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built by anyone. A team from
the University of Oregon used parts from an

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ordinary microwave oven and it's twelve vulg
battery to create a device called a magnetron.

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According to The Daily Mail, professor
Richard Taylor, who leads his team

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of researchers, claims to be able
to reproduce the intricate damage inflicted on crop

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circles using the gadget developed by his
team at the University of Oregon. Some

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crop circle formations are found to have
unusual properties, such as collapse stocks and

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the presence of radiation, characteristics not
found in crop circles made by pranksters using

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simple wooden planks. But following the
study conducted by Professor Taylor and his team

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with a magnetron, he theorizes that
crop circles with unusual characteristics could be explained

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by his research. Professor Taylor explains
the radiation waves that are capable of heating

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food when utilized in an oven,
caused crops stalks to fall over and cool

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in a horizontal position, Professor Taylor. Professor Taylor's report is in this month's

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edition of Physics World. But this
isn't really new, no research at all,

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No, not at all. Of
course, bltr Good, Buddy,

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Nancy Talbot, along with Well,
it was first Levin Goood who figured this

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out that there was an electro microwaving
going on. So this isn't new at

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all. And at the time,
especially when they discovered this, it was

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very Microwaves were still kind of clunky, and in fact, it wasn't too

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long ago that some kids, and
I'm pretty sure it was MIT, but

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it was one of the k universities. They went and they took a part

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a microwave and they created this elaborate, huge device. It was big one

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person, It took like two people
to hold it. One person could strap

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it on, but it was extremely
dangerous where they microwaved of plants, and

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it was huge and clunky, and
it certainly wasn't the type of thing you

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could get into a field and out
of They had to drive their truck into

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the field with their equipment to do
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So maybe he created just something now
that you could do that with. But

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what about the ones from years ago? And we already knew there was a

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microwave? But where does that microwave
come from? Well, and along with

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this study, he also mentions the
use of GPS. Yeah, you know,

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again, how do you explain the
earlier ones unless he's saying like,

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of course, we know some people
theorized that some kind of mic for a

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wave laser out of the sky,
But even the people who talk about that

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talk about how it can't be a
satellite that's too far, and that microwave

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would dissipate through the atmosphere. It
would have to be some sort of steady

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platform above the ground, like a
helicopter or something. But of course helicopters

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aren't seen, so that leads and
why would speculate blimps? The use of

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blimps, the dirigibles racing away in
a blimp. That's kind of funny,

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let's get out of here. Yeah, of course, which blimps would be

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caught on radar and perhaps at night, the blimp would be difficult to see,

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but you would see something blocking out
the stars, I guess or something.

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But if they got busted, that
would be kind of funny. They

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get busted, and then all the
people sitting out there looking for crop circles

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will put their spotlight on it.
There it is, Shoot down the blimp,

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shoot it with the babe. It'll
be interesting to hear if you know,

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we hear anything more on this.
I'm sure we will because it was

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picked up by everyone today, it
seems, and I don't know why.

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But anyway, next week or in
the future, well we'll cover some more

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crop circles because there are a whole
bunch, a whole bunch of new ones

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that have popped up that we haven't
talked about yet. Yeah, there's been,

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of course every year, there's some. This year seems slow, but

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there's some more new ones. But
the other thing I like is how he

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doesn't have to produce this device.
He says he has it, but he

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doesn't have to demonstrate it in use
or anything. I'm sure if you call

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him he'll show you. Maybe we
would, Yeah, we should. He

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looks like a nice guy. He
probably is a nice guy, and who

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knows, maybe you know, it'd
be interesting to have a conversation with him.

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Well, and I liked the quote
I saw from him when I don't

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remember who the interview was with.
It might have been Reuter's, but he

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stated that, you know, he
doesn't worry about being affiliated with crop circle

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research being thought of as a weirdo, because he approaches it as a scientist.

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He says, when you have things
that are unknown, you try to

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figure him out, and that's what
he's doing. Yeah, so I do

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like that. You know, he
sounds like a levelheaded guy, and he's

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not one of these scientists who hides
in the closet, won't face these things

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that get giggled at. Yeah,
you know, maybe we got a maybe

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I got a little too excited there
and the whole people trying to explain the

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step away and I need to sit
back and appreciate his work. Absolutely,

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thanks buddy, because he did confirm
that microwaves can be doing it, and

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he needs to look at their work
where there's evidence that yeah, microwaves are

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at work here. Absolutely, So
yeah, we should look at contacting him.

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Interesting. Well, in other news, it turns out that a well

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known UFO that was taken in nineteen
ninety in Belgium was most likely a hoax.

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Someone step forward to claim responsibility for
hoaxing the photo in an interview with

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a frenchhip or last Tuesday. According
to Reuters, this self self admitted culprit

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explained, we made the model with
polystraene. We painted it and then we

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started sticking things to it. Then
we suspended it in the air. Then

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we took the photo. This photo
has been widely circulated and has been associated

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with the period known as the Belgian
UFO wave that took place during nineteen eighty

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nine and nineteen ninety. Everybody's seen
this picture. Everybody's seen it. But

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there's more to this. I wanted
to ask you about the more, so

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go for that. There's a lot
more. I have emailed the general because

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I've met him. We had him
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another California move on, which was
a great move on. Probably one

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of the best conference, the second
best conference second to ours, that I've

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ever been to. I mean it
was great. We had so many people,

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including General de Brauer, who was
an Air Force Belgium general who was

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in charge of investigating this whole phenomena, and so I've asked him if this

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is the same person, and then
he hasn't responded yet, but I'll bet

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he will. And the story was
so that they it was an eighteen year

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old kid and this person was eighteen
during that period of time. Who took

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the photo and who gave it to
the air Force? They investigated it.

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They never released the kid's name because
he didn't want his name released. But

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the air Force Belgium Air Force looks
into it, you know, and investigates

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it. Other organizations look into it. And this kid must have had you

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know, this guy if he faked
it some brass you know what, because

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he had to. Really, I
mean, when you're a hoax, if

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you hope something is being interrogated by
these guys. But the worst thing is

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is then when they decided that this
thing is real, he sold the rights

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to someone. And this person has
been selling this picture for decades now,

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making a lot of money. And
I'm sure there's a cut that this person

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got, So they've been making a
lot of the money off of this hoax

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picture. In fact, technically everybody's
supposed to pay them in order to use

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it. So this person because of
the name wasn't released. It still needs

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to be confirmed by someone in the
investigation that this gentleman who claims he took

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the picture is indeed the person who
gave it over to the Belgian Air Force.

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And I haven't read in any of
these stories. I don't know if

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you have where they have confirmed that
with the Belgian at all force. I

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don't think so, So that still
has to be done. Of course,

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the general may come forth and say, yes, this is the guy,

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and then we'll find out he did
trick people. It's entirely possible. But

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this is a big story because this
is one of the best UFO pictures out

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there, right, and the most
investigated by an air force, you know,

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backed by a general. I believe
there was. I think Richard Haynes

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right had looked into it. People
say NASA, but it wasn't really Naty.

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It was someone who had worked for
NASA, but not NASA themselves.

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That makes a better headline, and
that's what everybody's saying exactly. So yeah,

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yeah, this should be a big
deal. There were lots of UFO

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videos from the past week, so
I've picked out a couple that we can

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briefly talk about, but a series
of red UFOs were captured on video on

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the sky above Helsinki, Finland,
on Saturday, July twenty third. The

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glowing objects appear to hover and move
very slowly through the sky. But unfortunately,

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these objects do possess characteristics of the
infamous Chinese lanterns bomb. And while

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the identity of the objects is officially
unknown, the logical identification is Chinese lanterns.

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And that's what the consensus is right
now with the media, and that

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is my vote as well, being
that all Hunter and I have conducted Chinese

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lantern testing, and we're familiar with
Chinese lanterns in the sky. And while

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you can't be one hundred percent sure, when you see these reddish orange glowing

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balls that kind of hover and drift
slowly through the sky, it's most likely

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Chinese lanterns. Mmmmm. So our
Chinese lantern resident experts says Chinese. I

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was thinking of that one. We
need to get all these right, yes,

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yeah, well we have to do
them verbally because we don't have rights

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for the audio, but I don't
think they can pin us down if we

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kind of if you want to get
technical, that counts to the public performance.

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We're gonna have to erase this part
of the show then when we put

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00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:40.079
it out on podcasts and see our
friend's bird can get away with whistling whistle

407
00:30:40.119 --> 00:30:41.160
while you work because it's a bird. Nobody's going to sue the bird.

408
00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:45.119
Oh, I know, the crazy
bird, don't forget. Go to YouTube,

409
00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:48.319
check out search burg whistle while you
work and look for a cute little

410
00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:52.400
what are they cockatiels? Yeah,
cockatiels. Although this is at PG thirteen.

411
00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:57.720
You think they show this kind of
stuff on nature shows. They do,

412
00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:03.920
And I'm wondering if this is even
recommended to watch it work. It's

413
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:07.640
a fine line there, but it's
funny. You definitely need to see it.

414
00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:11.400
So anyway, let's see. We
have another video here. A man

415
00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:15.920
claims to have witnessed a UFO in
the sky above the town of Vestal,

416
00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:19.680
New York. The witness saw the
object from a hospital and described that it

417
00:31:19.759 --> 00:31:23.720
hovered for approximately ten seconds, then
it shot up like a bullet and vanished.

418
00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:27.960
Ten other people supposedly saw the UFO
as well. As the man was

419
00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:32.640
driving home from the hospital, he
saw the UFO again, and this time

420
00:31:32.680 --> 00:31:37.680
he managed to snap a picture of
the disc shaped object. And that's a

421
00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:41.559
weird photo. I mean, this
is a perfectly disc shaped object. I

422
00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:45.000
can't even I can't. I know
I looked at the picture and thought wow,

423
00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:48.880
neat, but I didn't revisit the
story to look at it a little

424
00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:52.880
closer, so I can't remember it
completely. You're not watching the video stream,

425
00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:53.839
are you, Alejandro? Yeah,
let me go over there, and

426
00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:57.039
because we do have pictures of these
on our video stream right now. Video

427
00:31:57.079 --> 00:32:00.720
stream, the magic of video stream. Well, there's a commercial and you

428
00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:05.240
know, some people have said that
that that is a red flag for them

429
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:07.440
that you know, he was able
to see it later and take that.

430
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:12.759
Weren't there two pictures? Two pictures, yes, but this was They were

431
00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:15.000
both of the second appearance of this
object, right when I was driving home

432
00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:19.599
from the hospital. It's a strange
picture. Yeah, someone needs to look

433
00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:23.519
at it closer because it of course, if there's no sign to pixelation or

434
00:32:23.559 --> 00:32:29.559
any of that stuff, then it's
a pretty stunning picture. Yeah. Absolutely

435
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:34.559
reminds me a very clear disc.
Regular disc reminds me of like those ones

436
00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:37.880
from the seventies that we have in
the Windows collection, exactly very clear disc.

437
00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:42.119
But when I see that Unfortunately,
I think of my iPhone and how

438
00:32:42.160 --> 00:32:44.759
he usually is to take a picture
and put a UFO into it. So

439
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:49.880
yeah, but I don't I'm not
doubting him. I certainly could have taken

440
00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:52.240
it. That's an incredible picture.
Yeah, so check out that one.

441
00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:57.799
That's pretty cool. And then strange
lights were seen in Ontario, Canada on

442
00:32:57.839 --> 00:33:01.039
the evening of Saturday, July sixteenth, and were captured on video by Hamilton

443
00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:05.839
resident Simon Reynolds. And this is
an interesting story. The UFOs were first

444
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:09.279
spotted above reynolds house by three young
girls, who described one of the objects

445
00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:13.720
as red, but it had yellow
lights all over it. It made no

446
00:33:13.720 --> 00:33:17.880
noise at all. It was completely
silent. It was like hovering. That's

447
00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:22.720
how they described it. It was
like hovering. It's poised like they did,

448
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:28.000
but it's cuterer than that because they're
like eight. Oh yeah, And

449
00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:31.359
so they got excited and they ran
in to get Reynolds, who pulled out

450
00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:36.039
his iPhone to record the objects.
Several other people in the area saw the

451
00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:38.759
strange objects in the sky, but
nothing out of the ordinary was detected by

452
00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:44.480
the control tower at a nearby airport, and similar lights were seen the following

453
00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:47.039
week as well, and authorities have
no idea what the strange lights were.

454
00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:52.119
Wow, that's a good story.
Yeah. The one of the girls even

455
00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:59.039
drew an illustration of what she saw, and it's kind of an interesting thing.

456
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:02.519
They actually saw, like a craft, not just lights. That kid's

457
00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:07.279
got a future in UFO investigation,
I think. So. You know,

458
00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:13.360
Wendell Stevens was very good at creating
these illustrations, these technical illustrations based on

459
00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:16.960
witness reports. And I really like
this little girl's drawing and it's very colorful

460
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:20.880
and mm hmm, it's kind of
fun. It's very descriptive. Kids would

461
00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:23.199
be good at that because that's when
your coloring skills are at their peak.

462
00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:27.480
You were right. You asked me
to color something with some grands Right now,

463
00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:30.480
it's not gonna be as good as
it's kids who are really passing it

464
00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:35.519
every day at school. If I
started aging, my crayon skills went and

465
00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:37.440
then I had to graduate to color
pencils and then those went. Now I

466
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:42.000
can't do anything. Yeah. I
always love the videos too with kids in

467
00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:45.639
the background, Like when you get
those videos to investigate and look at because

468
00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:49.840
they're always really cute. Well,
in this video, you can actually hear

469
00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:52.519
the kids in it being excited about
the UFO. That's cool. Yeah,

470
00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:55.239
excellent. Well all one hunter.
That is it for the news for today.

471
00:34:55.400 --> 00:34:58.920
Remember to check out these stories and
more at open Minds dot tv,

472
00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:02.320
your source for UFO related news.
I'm Jason McLellan, your Open Minds News

473
00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:07.440
correspondence, and you've been briefed back
to you, Senior Alejandro. Thank you,

474
00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:10.559
Jason. That's some wonderful news that
we heard today. Now for the

475
00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:14.760
weather, just kidding, we're not
going to go to weather. But what

476
00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:17.880
we do want to do is let
me look at any of the stories.

477
00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:22.519
We just posted a story today on
the breaking down the black budget. This

478
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:30.199
is of course by our unacknowledged aviation
expert Michael Schratt, who's into black budgets

479
00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:32.199
and stuff like that. So he
took a look at that and has a

480
00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:36.360
little study on, you know,
how much money we got going on into

481
00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:42.760
this black budget. We also posted
some information about a video that I believe

482
00:35:42.760 --> 00:35:45.960
we already talked about on the show, because this is a story that came

483
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:52.119
out last week on the Chilean government
releasing some audio and some video. What

484
00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:57.719
happened is that Antonio, since he
has connections out there actually contacted some of

485
00:35:57.760 --> 00:36:01.599
the officials in the area to get
the da kalees about what cases they released

486
00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:07.920
information on what information are we seeing
in these videos, so you have some

487
00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:12.480
more information about that. And we
also just threw in kind of a little

488
00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:16.400
extra, which is one of the
UFO photographs from Chile recently which has been

489
00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:23.400
studied and deemed to be unknown and
it's a very very interesting picture that you'll

490
00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:30.280
want to check out. Also,
our very own Maureen Elsbury, the YouTube

491
00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:37.639
superstar, has done a review on
Cowboys and Aliens, So if you want

492
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:42.039
to see what she thought about the
movie, then go check that out.

493
00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:45.599
I know that some of the guys
who met her at the conference are going

494
00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:50.840
to want to try to study what
types of movies she likes so they can

495
00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:58.559
take her out to a movie because
she is just a cutie. So other

496
00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:00.320
stories that we have going on.
I love talking about her because she gets

497
00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:04.400
so embarrassed. Oh my gosh,
I can't believe you talked about me on

498
00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:08.360
the show. Some other stuff going
on. Stanton Friedman, this is really

499
00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:13.000
fun. He was one of the
speakers at Moufun and he wrote a review

500
00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:15.920
about a review. There was a
review on the Area fifty one book where

501
00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:21.440
they talked about Roswell and they kind
of, you know, dissed on old

502
00:37:21.559 --> 00:37:25.360
Stanton Friedman there, and Stanton ain't
having none of that, so they were

503
00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:29.679
very inaccurate. They didn't even say
he was a nuclear physicist. They made

504
00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:32.480
it sound like he's just some goofball
out there. So he called him out

505
00:37:32.519 --> 00:37:36.960
on it. He said, hey, people, let me tell you about

506
00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:43.559
my credentials and show how you just
accused Annie Jacobson of not doing her homework

507
00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:46.559
and you didn't do your homework yourself. In fact, the quote that we

508
00:37:46.639 --> 00:37:53.239
have on the expert excerpt, he
says, frankly, I'm angry. So

509
00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:58.000
Stanton's always fun to meet too.
It's a lot of fun to see Stanton.

510
00:37:58.280 --> 00:38:00.039
And then we've talked about the other
story that we got up there,

511
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:06.599
so you can go see some of
those videos that we talked about up there

512
00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:12.639
on the site. Now, before
I get into this interview with Gabe Valdez,

513
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:16.000
I want to explain a little bit
more just to jog your memories.

514
00:38:16.039 --> 00:38:19.079
I know I did this just a
minute ago, but just give you a

515
00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:22.159
little more information before we get into
the interview. Because of course the way

516
00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:27.559
gu gave is he's very to the
point, and so I want to make

517
00:38:27.559 --> 00:38:30.159
sure you guys understand what we're talking
about here, and what we're talking about

518
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:36.639
is you know, he was a
state patrol or a state highway patrol officer

519
00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:44.239
in the seventies up until further than
that in the northern New Mexico area around

520
00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:49.760
dul Say. When CATA mutilations began, he started investigating those. Eventually,

521
00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:54.280
because Paul Benowitz was a gentleman who
started getting into UFO research, he met

522
00:38:54.280 --> 00:39:00.320
Benowitz. Now Benowitz lived in Albuquerque
and he lived right out out of the

523
00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:04.920
gates of Kirkland Air Force Base,
and he was taking video of lights in

524
00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:09.599
the sky. He was also because
he was very scientific minded. In fact,

525
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:15.840
he owned a science business that was
of instruments, sold instruments and stuff

526
00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:20.280
like that to Kirtland Air Force Base. He was very technical, and he

527
00:39:20.360 --> 00:39:25.000
also created something where he was able
to tune in on some sort of codes

528
00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:30.119
or something like that. He felt
that what he was seeing was UFOs and

529
00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:37.519
these codes he was listening to were
you know, from aliens. So he

530
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:40.719
went to talk to Kirkland Air Force
Base. They listened to him. Now,

531
00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:45.760
according to Richard Doty, and this
is what he told someone, and

532
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:49.880
this is documented in the book by
Greg Bishop. Richard Doty was in the

533
00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:54.000
Air Force at the time as an
intelligence officer, that what really Benowitz was

534
00:39:54.039 --> 00:40:00.639
seeing were secret projects that were going
on in Kirkland Air Force bace order to

535
00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:04.880
throw him off the trail, just
in case the Russians would come in and

536
00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:07.800
hear about this and say, hey, you know what is this that you're

537
00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:10.719
looking at. Let us hear these
messages so that they would start to understand

538
00:40:10.760 --> 00:40:21.639
our technology. They actively fed this
gentleman disinformation to make him believe that these

539
00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:27.800
were UFOs and aliens to support his
ideas in that so that if Russians ever

540
00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:32.280
heard of some guy videotaping lights and
getting signals by Kirtland Air Force, instead

541
00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:36.079
of looking into it, they'd be
like, oh, look, this guy's

542
00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:39.119
a crackpot because he thinks he's talking
to aliens. Now that's the story now.

543
00:40:39.159 --> 00:40:43.599
Dodie also, according to Greg Bishop, also said that he tried to

544
00:40:43.639 --> 00:40:51.199
make Benowitz believe there was a secret
underground base in the Dulce area that aliens

545
00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:54.039
were there to further, you know, keep them away from the troops.

546
00:40:54.079 --> 00:41:01.599
So that's kind of the background of
that whole story. Actually, as we'll

547
00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:07.239
ask Gabe about he became friends with
Dodie as well, so we'll ask him

548
00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:10.960
about his thoughts about all of this, what these gentlemen had told him.

549
00:41:12.199 --> 00:41:15.400
And he's got he doesn't have a
full hour. That's why we've taken a

550
00:41:15.400 --> 00:41:22.000
little more than an hour in this. But let's go ahead and here what

551
00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:30.239
mister Valdez has to say. All
right, I am happy to talk to

552
00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:35.679
someone I've been wanting to talk to
for a long time, partially because a

553
00:41:35.679 --> 00:41:38.119
lot of my heart's in New Mexico, but also because of course I'm so

554
00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:45.920
interested in the subject we have gave
Valdez on the line. Hello, Hi,

555
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:51.880
how are you okay? Good?
Good? So I guess we'll just

556
00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:58.119
start right off with how did you
first get involved with the cattle mutilation?

557
00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:04.199
Well, the first occurrence, it
was it was a crime to come and

558
00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:07.039
kill cattle, you know, Yeah, so that's why I got involved in

559
00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:14.119
it. Yeah, yeah, I
would investigate cattle rustling or somebody would try

560
00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:20.360
to kill a cow and whatever it
was. That was part of our our

561
00:42:20.440 --> 00:42:27.400
job. So prior to the first
mysterious cattle mutilation, I mean you had

562
00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:35.760
probably seen cattle killed before, yes, And but what was it that in

563
00:42:35.840 --> 00:42:40.920
your first mutilation? Uh, looked
different or didn't look human, or at

564
00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:45.880
least looked I guess, yeah,
different to you. Well, there was

565
00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:51.159
a lot of factors involved in it. The cattle, for they were killed,

566
00:42:51.159 --> 00:42:58.840
there was slow access by vehicles,
and the way they took they cut

567
00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:02.519
them up. It had to be
somebody doing it, uh huh. And

568
00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:08.199
about what year was the first when
you had seen seventy five, nineteen seventy

569
00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:13.760
five, What were some of your
thoughts? What were you thinking might have

570
00:43:15.880 --> 00:43:23.599
constant? Well, you know,
you there could be people doing it just

571
00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:30.239
on purpose or but it was kind
of a why were they taking certain body

572
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:36.960
parts off the animal? You know? And then the animals were dehydrating so

573
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:43.960
bad, you know, and the
animals who need them or anything, Kyoto,

574
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:49.519
they wouldn't touch them. Now,
I know in some of the investigations

575
00:43:49.559 --> 00:43:54.559
I've gone on, you know,
you look for prosaic answer of course first.

576
00:43:55.199 --> 00:43:59.719
But at that time, you know, were there are people thinking that

577
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:06.400
of aliens or UFOs? And did
you give any thought to that? No,

578
00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:12.199
because we were finding physical evidence that
at the crime scene. Uh huh.

579
00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:16.639
And of course you know how things
expand and they get off proportion,

580
00:44:17.960 --> 00:44:25.679
and we were able to track for
the aircraft was because of the turbulence secreated.

581
00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:31.719
It flipped over cop heads and other
debris that was not the same color.

582
00:44:31.800 --> 00:44:38.400
See okay, And so this indicated
to you a sort of helicopter.

583
00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:43.920
Well, there was some type of
aircraft involved, yes, and it had

584
00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:49.639
to be a helicopter because it's kind
of hard to fly six win aircraft in

585
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:54.880
that area. Yeah, they just
can make it. So pretty early on

586
00:44:55.320 --> 00:45:04.519
you felt it was some human group
of people. Then what were some of

587
00:45:04.559 --> 00:45:07.440
the other things that you found?
I think you said you found other pieces

588
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:13.599
of evidence showing that. Yeah,
we were able to find glow sticks,

589
00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:23.440
radar chef mm hmmm, and gas
masks yeah, and other some type of

590
00:45:23.480 --> 00:45:30.440
other elements that they left on top
of the height. Gotcha. How strange.

591
00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:36.559
That's very strange. Was that kind
of scary for people? Well,

592
00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:40.960
a lot of people didn't know that. See see these areas where they they

593
00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:47.119
did, where they killed these cattle. It's isolated and people don't have access

594
00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:52.280
to it, but they will probably
hear about it because of the news media.

595
00:45:53.079 --> 00:46:00.239
Yeah. So then as a as
a police officer, and the indications

596
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:07.159
are that it is foul play.
Who I guess were your prime suspect.

597
00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:15.639
Well, somebody someone was doing it
and then they had access to all these

598
00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:25.400
technology to do it. Uh huh
so possibly a government group. Well someone

599
00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:31.559
was behind and had access to it, that had uh ways to find that

600
00:46:31.719 --> 00:46:37.840
area and do what they were doing. Mm hmm. So did you look

601
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:44.559
to I mean, on the locals
or the owners of the cattle found out

602
00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:49.400
that, you know, with people
using technology, they must have wanted to

603
00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:52.679
ijust it. Yeah, of course
they didn't. They did a lot of

604
00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:58.639
Like Manuel Gomez, they killed a
bunch of these cattle. That that hurting

605
00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:02.199
me. Yeah, that crime and
other people up in Red River and Taos

606
00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:08.000
also the same to you. Yeah, and all over the United States in

607
00:47:08.119 --> 00:47:16.679
Colorado, Utah, Montana and all
those places. So were you able to

608
00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:22.400
try to get find out who it
was I mean, and so these people

609
00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:31.760
could be brought to justice. Well
it's very confidential but very sensitive. Yeah.

610
00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:37.639
Oh who the perpetrators were? Yes, I see. So during this

611
00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:45.079
period of time, the FBI came
into the area and conducted their own investigation.

612
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:50.320
No, they didn't do any of
my investigations. They didn't come and

613
00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:54.039
look at your evidence. No,
So were you able to talk to the

614
00:47:54.199 --> 00:48:05.239
FBI agent who supposedly did investigation.
He was a retired FBI agent the District

615
00:48:05.239 --> 00:48:12.719
Attorney's office in Santaity. It got
a grant for a year to do investigations,

616
00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:17.519
and he was a retired FBI agent, And we didn't have any immulations

617
00:48:17.559 --> 00:48:22.679
at all for about seven years.
I did talk to him more, but

618
00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:28.519
we didn't have any single nothing happened
during that time for a year or seven

619
00:48:28.599 --> 00:48:32.440
years, so grand to nineteen eighty, but we didn't have any relations again.

620
00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:37.119
Uh huh. So that report on
the FBI website now, and his

621
00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:43.079
conclusion eventually was that it was predators. But he was never able to do

622
00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:47.760
investigation of an actual prime scene or
anything not mine. He wanted to do

623
00:48:47.880 --> 00:48:55.840
any No in my cases at all, right, and your case is certainly

624
00:48:55.880 --> 00:49:02.800
weren't due to predator kill. Huh
No. No, I was raised cattle

625
00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:09.000
and all kinds of type of goats
and everything. But no, and the

626
00:49:09.400 --> 00:49:14.280
evidence that was left there. You
know, predators don't leave gasmav ghos,

627
00:49:14.360 --> 00:49:19.039
sticks, radar chef right, they
don't leave that stuff. They don't have

628
00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:24.159
vitamin B twelve. Right, so
you were finding vitamin B twelve and radar

629
00:49:24.280 --> 00:49:34.440
schaf. Can you explain what radar
shaf is? It knocks out FAA towers

630
00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:38.400
so you cannot see aircraft flying in
the area. Mm hm so probably you

631
00:49:38.599 --> 00:49:46.199
so they could get their their silent
helicopters in and out. Yes, do

632
00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:52.440
you have any idea why they might
be doing this? We suspect something that,

633
00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:57.440
like I said, it's true sensive. Yeah. Yeah. Now did

634
00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:06.280
were you I guess ever threatened or
told to stay away from the whole situation?

635
00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:12.079
No? I was never know they
placed listening devices in my house?

636
00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:15.159
Oh they did? Did you find
those? Yeah? And they did it

637
00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:22.400
at the tribal Police building one dool
See and the Tribal Administration building too.

638
00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:28.679
Really Yeah? And did I think
I've heard once that Manual Goms and their

639
00:50:28.679 --> 00:50:34.119
family had Yeah, they made the
same thing. And were you able to

640
00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:37.599
ever find out who was that?
But does we don't know who made them?

641
00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:44.079
No? Because but U and they
needed a search one to do it,

642
00:50:44.079 --> 00:50:50.360
and they didn't do it. They
violated, right and they committed crime

643
00:50:50.440 --> 00:50:54.800
house. Yeah, that's awful.
Does that frustrate you? Well, I've

644
00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:58.559
seen a lot of this John going
all over the place. But I knew

645
00:50:59.079 --> 00:51:02.719
why were they doing that? It's
predators. They were in history. Now

646
00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:07.719
what the predators were doing the right? You don't place missing devices were sea?

647
00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:15.239
Where the snakes or rats or birds
or flying? Right? Does that

648
00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:21.239
upset you that they did that to
you at all? Well, I suspect

649
00:51:21.239 --> 00:51:22.639
that they were going to do that. They were trying to find out what

650
00:51:23.039 --> 00:51:30.039
we were doing. Fact, one
day we followed one of the sophisticated orbs

651
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:37.920
that was monitoring, but we started
speaking in Hi Korea and they got confused.

652
00:51:37.880 --> 00:51:42.480
Really, what did this orb look
like? They looked like a hotter

653
00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:50.159
balloon? Uh huh. And luckily
you had the advantage of speaking Hikorea.

654
00:51:50.199 --> 00:51:53.880
Are you kick Korea patching yourself?
No? You know the language? Yeah,

655
00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:59.039
I spent twenty five years there.
Uh huh. Now that you are

656
00:51:59.039 --> 00:52:02.119
in that area also, right,
Well, something it's different. They're in

657
00:52:02.239 --> 00:52:08.400
Colorado, but doocy, it's about
eighty miles away from me. Mm hm.

658
00:52:09.280 --> 00:52:17.320
The utes are about it's north west
of the Hickoria Reservation. I also

659
00:52:17.440 --> 00:52:25.960
saw on an interview with Manuel Gomez
that he felt that the crafts that were

660
00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:32.119
doing this to his animals were coming
from an underground based under the Archiletta Masa.

661
00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:37.039
No, that's where they were landing. They were landing on a mesa.

662
00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:42.039
Yes, to do other stuff,
the other sensitive stuff. Oh,

663
00:52:42.119 --> 00:52:50.800
I see, okay, and oh
it's not it's Mount Mount archi Letta Okay,

664
00:52:51.440 --> 00:52:55.679
okay. Yeah. And I had
also in the Greg Bishop's book had

665
00:52:55.760 --> 00:53:02.000
read that you had confronted some of
the helicopters, I think on Mount Archiletta.

666
00:53:02.519 --> 00:53:07.320
No, it was at the doc
A script Oh okay, yeah,

667
00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:14.559
And I heard that at least I
think he he told that from Benowitz perspective,

668
00:53:14.599 --> 00:53:19.760
who had told him Paul Benoitt that
you know that everybody was afraid,

669
00:53:19.760 --> 00:53:22.519
but you and you bravely kind of
went over there and said, hey,

670
00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:29.320
what are you guys up to?
Yeah? They and what happened? Uh?

671
00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:32.039
I don't know if there's some explanation
there why Benowitz was up there,

672
00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:37.079
there were tracking benwood Stone, uh
huh. And they they wouldn't let him

673
00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:46.320
get close to for the activity was
going on. Hmm. Now do you

674
00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:52.880
believe then there is some sort of
underground based in that area? Yeah,

675
00:53:52.920 --> 00:53:55.480
there is. There's four of them, four of them. Are they active?

676
00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:01.000
I don't think there are. They
had a fire. They're nineteen ninety

677
00:54:01.039 --> 00:54:07.360
six and they plugged one of them
up and the other ones are plugged apostle.

678
00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:15.679
Really wow. So, and of
course there's also the rumors of aliens

679
00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:22.400
being in these bases. No,
I never did see any aliens basis.

680
00:54:22.519 --> 00:54:30.880
What we saw was physical activity from
within a resources. Now have you seen

681
00:54:31.280 --> 00:54:40.360
or any UFOs in the area.
I've seen the sophisticated aircraft, but not

682
00:54:40.480 --> 00:54:46.360
the other type. Now, what
do they look like? They look like

683
00:54:47.199 --> 00:54:55.119
what it's a sophisticated aircraft, not
like the spells more advanced steals. Oh

684
00:54:55.199 --> 00:55:00.440
really? Yeah? Wow? And
are they kind of a delta or angular

685
00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:07.039
shaped like that? Yes? Wow? And have you seen then the silent

686
00:55:07.119 --> 00:55:15.280
helicopters also, people have seen the
helicopters are black and silent. And some

687
00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:20.000
people did report him and see they
would do one incident like tonight, and

688
00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:22.360
then they'd wait forward three months to
do the other one. If we would

689
00:55:22.400 --> 00:55:27.000
set up surveillance, it become hard
to see there for three months, you

690
00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:32.480
know, uh huh. Yeah.
So another person who talked about the bases

691
00:55:32.480 --> 00:55:40.199
in the area is or talked before
he passed away with Phil Schneider. And

692
00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:46.599
actually you helped with the investigation of
his death. Yes, how did that

693
00:55:46.679 --> 00:55:52.360
happen? How did you get involved? Well, through some other resources and

694
00:55:52.440 --> 00:55:59.519
his wife asked me to help.
Uh huh, and you were able to

695
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:07.239
What were your conclusions? Well,
but the he was there was something around

696
00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:16.679
his neck plastic that cost us strigulation. So it wasn't a suicide. No,

697
00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:21.760
unless he did it himself. You
know, that hasn't been verified.

698
00:56:21.880 --> 00:56:24.920
You know. Oh, okay,
somebody else could have done it, not

699
00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:29.800
related to that, you know,
so it could have been a suicide.

700
00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:35.159
Well, that's kind of hard.
You don't see too many suicides like that,

701
00:56:35.519 --> 00:56:39.760
okay, gotcha. You can see
him with people shooting themselves or cutting

702
00:56:39.800 --> 00:56:44.480
the wrists or something, bleeding to
death or taking an overdose or something.

703
00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:49.440
Do you believe his death had anything
to do with the work that he did

704
00:56:49.639 --> 00:56:52.320
or alleges to have done. Well, it's kind of hard, and it's

705
00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:55.719
up to the Shuret's office up there
to determine that, you know. Uh,

706
00:56:58.119 --> 00:57:02.159
yeah, gotcha. Yeah. So
it's a very active and interesting area

707
00:57:02.199 --> 00:57:06.800
you're in now. Paul Benowitz,
one of the people who is the main

708
00:57:06.840 --> 00:57:10.480
proponent of some of these stories about
the underground bases and aliens and stuff like

709
00:57:10.519 --> 00:57:15.559
that. He's someone that you actually
met and or was friends with for a

710
00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:23.280
period of time. Yes, I
became real really involved with him. Uh

711
00:57:23.360 --> 00:57:34.000
huh. So. And the story
is, and even Richard Dodie, who

712
00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:36.440
worked for Air Force, as you
know because you know him as well,

713
00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:40.599
he has told people such as great
bishops Bishop in his book who up Great

714
00:57:40.599 --> 00:57:45.960
Bishop of course talk to you as
well, that he was giving wrong information

715
00:57:46.239 --> 00:57:58.480
to Benowitz. Were you able to
witness that the well Benowitz was was very

716
00:57:58.960 --> 00:58:04.920
good too giving me information and after
we researched the area, it was true.

717
00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:08.280
But I don't know what Richard Doughty
was communicating with Paul Bedwitz. I

718
00:58:08.320 --> 00:58:14.840
know they we're following you. Uh
huh that that Dody was following Benewett,

719
00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:20.840
Yeah, air Force Inteligence, Uh
yeah, yeah. Because one of the

720
00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:25.800
things that Dody had said is that
he was the one who told uh Benewitt

721
00:58:25.880 --> 00:58:36.079
that there was that base ender an
adult area and had supposedly planted jeeps and

722
00:58:36.199 --> 00:58:39.000
stuff there to make it look like
there was something there to make him believe

723
00:58:39.079 --> 00:58:45.199
that. No, because it is
true, because we did find out what

724
00:58:45.400 --> 00:58:51.679
Benowitz talked about It's true. It's
if he did it and somebody else.

725
00:58:52.000 --> 00:58:54.960
I don't know why I would do
that, but for Benowitz too, because

726
00:58:55.079 --> 00:59:00.599
took me and showed me for these
things are that's true? Uh? Huh?

727
00:59:00.920 --> 00:59:05.760
Did I do? When you talk
to Dody? How did your relationship

728
00:59:05.880 --> 00:59:09.280
begin with him? Well? He
became a state police officer too, And

729
00:59:09.760 --> 00:59:14.159
I get along with Richard Doty.
I don't and I don't push him around

730
00:59:14.679 --> 00:59:17.880
or ask him what was your Why
did to do it? He had his

731
00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:22.400
job to do. He wasn't doing
anything criminal. Well according to him,

732
00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:27.760
he well he was, or at
least you know, I hadn't thought it

733
00:59:27.760 --> 00:59:30.199
but this way. But he says
that it was part of his job to

734
00:59:30.360 --> 00:59:37.039
break into Benewitz his house or his
lab to see what he was up to.

735
00:59:37.920 --> 00:59:40.400
Would that be legal for the Air
Force to do that? I don't

736
00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:44.760
think so. That's if he would
have had a search one then it would

737
00:59:44.760 --> 00:59:50.239
have been following the procedurecy, Yeah, yeah, go ahead. Why were

738
00:59:50.239 --> 00:59:52.480
they going to do that if it
wasn't true of what was going on?

739
00:59:52.519 --> 00:59:58.320
Why it's so much concern? Well, according to Doty, it was because

740
00:59:58.480 --> 01:00:02.679
he was seeing things at Kirkland Air
force base that were secret, and so

741
01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:10.880
his boss wanted him to think it
was alien stuff so that the Russians wouldn't

742
01:00:12.159 --> 01:00:15.840
get a clue of what was really
going on. Well that's probably true,

743
01:00:15.039 --> 01:00:20.079
you know. Yeah, but what
he what he showed us up there was

744
01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:23.599
true. It wasn't a lie.
Yeah, it was pretty good information he

745
01:00:23.639 --> 01:00:27.840
gave me. Yeah. Well,
and it kind of fits with what you're

746
01:00:27.880 --> 01:00:30.800
saying, because you're saying that it's
not UFO stuff, it's human staff.

747
01:00:31.159 --> 01:00:36.559
Yes, and they dropped. They
made a mistake. One time. There

748
01:00:36.599 --> 01:00:42.119
was a middilation in Chimayoni, Mexico
by Espanola, and they dropped. They

749
01:00:42.199 --> 01:00:46.320
would pick up the cattle or the
cows and take them or do something with

750
01:00:46.440 --> 01:00:53.280
him away from where they first got
killed. Now and they bring them back

751
01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:58.840
and drop them on the ground.
See. But one time they dropped one

752
01:00:58.880 --> 01:01:01.519
on top of a twenty four tree, and my old cows don't jump that

753
01:01:01.639 --> 01:01:07.920
hunt. Yeah, so the cow
is up in the tree. They dropped

754
01:01:07.920 --> 01:01:10.360
it on top of a twenty foot
tree. Wow did you see that one?

755
01:01:10.719 --> 01:01:15.079
Yeah? Wow? Did you happen
to take pictures? Yeah? I

756
01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:21.440
have pictures of it. Oh wow? Would you be able to share this

757
01:01:21.679 --> 01:01:24.840
or maybe if I came high,
Yeah, I'd have to look for them

758
01:01:24.880 --> 01:01:29.239
and see. Yeah, but there
was other state police officers there with me

759
01:01:30.039 --> 01:01:34.159
at the time that sid Yeah,
what did your colleagues think? I mean,

760
01:01:34.199 --> 01:01:37.559
what were your Did they think of
you as kind of weird for looking

761
01:01:37.599 --> 01:01:40.400
into this or did they see that
what you were looking at was was real?

762
01:01:42.360 --> 01:01:45.840
Well, you know and all these
stuff. They think that, But

763
01:01:46.079 --> 01:01:51.039
it was a job to investigate what
was going on, you know. Yeah,

764
01:01:51.280 --> 01:01:55.039
yeah, for that they were they
were taking away the livelihood of these

765
01:01:55.239 --> 01:02:01.000
ranchers, right, So there was
there need justice to be had? I

766
01:02:01.039 --> 01:02:07.079
mean, were there anybody who was
like a politician or perhaps your boss who

767
01:02:07.159 --> 01:02:15.039
was willing to try to stand up
for these people and hold whatever clandestine group

768
01:02:15.079 --> 01:02:21.920
was doing this accountable. No,
I never did that. Nobody interfered with

769
01:02:21.960 --> 01:02:27.440
me or anything. Yeah, but
nobody's kind of well. I was very

770
01:02:27.519 --> 01:02:30.840
fortunate that the state police didn't tell
me don't do this, don't do that.

771
01:02:31.239 --> 01:02:37.480
Yeah, but nobody went to confront
whoever this was. Huh. No,

772
01:02:38.079 --> 01:02:42.440
Well, we at that time,
we didn't know who really was involved

773
01:02:42.440 --> 01:02:50.400
it. Yeah, do you think
you know now? Well, yeah,

774
01:02:50.840 --> 01:02:55.119
I know, but it's real sensity
is there any way to bring these people

775
01:02:55.159 --> 01:03:01.159
to justice or make them stop.
Probably they're not doing them now. They

776
01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:05.679
must. They did some up in
Trinidad, Colorado, I think a year

777
01:03:05.679 --> 01:03:12.119
ago. Uh huh, yeah,
that's one of them I saw because we

778
01:03:12.239 --> 01:03:15.760
went on a few investigations in that
area. Yet a couple of years ago

779
01:03:15.760 --> 01:03:19.800
in Trinidad, and like you said, this thing looked like it had been

780
01:03:19.880 --> 01:03:23.239
dropped. There's no way vehicles could
get in there. And one thing that

781
01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:27.639
I find interesting is that, you
know, people like FBI or someone will

782
01:03:27.639 --> 01:03:32.440
come in and say it's cattle mutilation, but the ranchers themselves, who see

783
01:03:32.519 --> 01:03:38.360
animals die a lot, know that
it's not. No, it's different.

784
01:03:38.599 --> 01:03:44.800
A lot of ranchers see their cattle
die of some other you know, they

785
01:03:44.840 --> 01:03:49.159
eat a lot of afalfa. Cattle
cannot eat out alfa, they blowed and

786
01:03:49.199 --> 01:03:52.159
die, and you see a lot
of incidents like that or other things,

787
01:03:52.199 --> 01:03:57.480
you know, and it's completely different. Yeah. Yeah, and they know

788
01:03:57.599 --> 01:04:01.239
they know what's going on, you
know. Yeah, Yeah, it's pretty

789
01:04:01.280 --> 01:04:10.639
unfortunate. Yeah. So so with
uh, yeah, with Dodie then you

790
01:04:10.679 --> 01:04:15.199
never really talked to him about this
stuff. Yeah, we talked about it,

791
01:04:15.280 --> 01:04:17.920
and I knew that he was involved
with Air Force intelligence. Uh huh.

792
01:04:17.960 --> 01:04:21.719
And of course you have to have
some respect how you confront people too,

793
01:04:21.760 --> 01:04:27.199
because that was his job, you
know. Yeah, yeah, and

794
01:04:27.280 --> 01:04:31.679
Benowitz was communicating with them, you
know. Yeah. Yeah. The reason

795
01:04:31.719 --> 01:04:34.280
I asked, you know, was
that criminal. I really had never thought

796
01:04:34.280 --> 01:04:39.400
of it until I spoke with h. I did an interview with John Alexander,

797
01:04:39.480 --> 01:04:43.639
who was an Army colonel, and
he said he didn't believe that Dodi

798
01:04:43.880 --> 01:04:48.039
was following orders. He think Dody
was making this stuff up to tell Benawitz

799
01:04:48.039 --> 01:04:51.719
this stuff because he didn't believe the
Air Force would tell him to break the

800
01:04:51.800 --> 01:04:56.880
law and break into benwit his house. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe

801
01:04:57.159 --> 01:05:01.480
that went overboard, you know,
uh huh, because he says, yeah,

802
01:05:01.480 --> 01:05:08.079
that would not be legal. It's
not legal. Is there anything that

803
01:05:08.159 --> 01:05:12.280
you could, like advice you would
give to someone who this is happening to

804
01:05:12.440 --> 01:05:18.880
what they can do. They need
to be real careful whether they look at

805
01:05:18.920 --> 01:05:28.119
one of them animals, Uh huh. Yeah, I'm careful of of toxic

806
01:05:28.239 --> 01:05:33.800
stuff or just that careful being exposed
to them. Yeah, okay, is

807
01:05:33.840 --> 01:05:40.760
the B twelve that they use dangerous
at all? Not to be twelve be

808
01:05:40.880 --> 01:05:45.639
twelve enhances the immune system. Okay, why do you think it's found in

809
01:05:45.679 --> 01:05:55.760
these mutilations? The research they were
doing that because of whatever? Do you

810
01:05:55.800 --> 01:05:58.760
have any idea what kind of research
that is? Well, yeah, but

811
01:05:58.880 --> 01:06:03.559
the true sensity? Yeah, that
you can't talk about that. So have

812
01:06:03.679 --> 01:06:11.000
you been has someone come and told
you? What? Have you been told?

813
01:06:11.039 --> 01:06:15.119
Exactly what it is? Well,
we know through the research that we

814
01:06:15.199 --> 01:06:20.159
did. Oh okay, I see
see. So that's how you were able

815
01:06:20.199 --> 01:06:28.920
to figure that out. So but
luckily you haven't gotten any trouble. Huh

816
01:06:29.000 --> 01:06:34.519
no, thanks God. Yeah,
what about this? I have some attorneys

817
01:06:34.559 --> 01:06:43.920
that know about the U huh about
it and some high level people that are

818
01:06:43.960 --> 01:06:49.039
aware of it in case something you
know, uh huh. Yeah. It's

819
01:06:49.159 --> 01:06:56.400
just if they were doing experiments,
why wouldn't they take the body, why

820
01:06:56.400 --> 01:07:00.239
would they bring them back? Yeah, that was a mistake. They maybe

821
01:07:00.239 --> 01:07:03.000
they should have just taken him and
not bring him back Burnham or do away

822
01:07:03.079 --> 01:07:09.400
with them. Well that he trying
to make people think that aliens were involved

823
01:07:09.559 --> 01:07:14.320
or animals. I see. So
it's kind of similar to to that other

824
01:07:14.360 --> 01:07:17.719
stuff making people. Yeah, I
believe, and that's a mistake that they

825
01:07:17.719 --> 01:07:25.960
were making see. Yeah, do
you think that there are animals that still

826
01:07:26.000 --> 01:07:32.519
disappear for experiments but just are not
returned. Well, apparently not because people

827
01:07:32.559 --> 01:07:36.719
are close to their animals and they
would notice something missing or something dead,

828
01:07:36.760 --> 01:07:42.480
you know. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, that's unfortunate. And

829
01:07:42.800 --> 01:07:45.800
they do have natural causes. They're
telling them that the tonsils are not missing,

830
01:07:46.159 --> 01:07:54.559
yeah, or the have a okay, yeah, how has Manuel Gomez?

831
01:07:54.599 --> 01:07:58.880
How does he feel now? Well? Well, that's pretty bad.

832
01:07:58.920 --> 01:08:02.639
He made that impact on him,
you know. Yeah. If you pretty

833
01:08:02.800 --> 01:08:06.840
destroy all than Kevin, that's your
livelihood, you know. Yeah, and

834
01:08:06.960 --> 01:08:12.599
even if you lose even four or
five hit of ken they're taking two thousand

835
01:08:12.679 --> 01:08:16.600
dollars away from you. Yeah.
A lot of people depend on that for

836
01:08:16.720 --> 01:08:20.680
their livelihood, you know, to
survive. Mm hmm. Has he ever

837
01:08:20.760 --> 01:08:26.520
tried to sue the government? Well, he doesn't know who to sue,

838
01:08:27.319 --> 01:08:32.479
so there's nothing he can do.
And unfortunately, I mean, no one's

839
01:08:32.520 --> 01:08:39.039
willing to I guess investigate further.
Huh, well no it will, I

840
01:08:39.079 --> 01:08:44.680
guess not. But if you know
who it was, would you know then

841
01:08:44.720 --> 01:08:49.560
you know who to sue, right, Well, I don't want to make

842
01:08:49.560 --> 01:08:55.279
any comments about that, yeah,
I guess are these people who are people

843
01:08:55.399 --> 01:09:00.399
who are beyond reproach? Well,
it's sent to the black I said,

844
01:09:00.560 --> 01:09:06.560
you know, how do you feel
about what they're doing? Do you feel

845
01:09:06.600 --> 01:09:13.279
it's wrong? Well, it's wrong, you know. Yeah, there's how

846
01:09:13.279 --> 01:09:17.920
would people be able to protect themselves
or their cattles from there? Just stay

847
01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:27.520
with the cattle and sleep with its
something, you know. Yeah, there's

848
01:09:27.560 --> 01:09:30.560
not much you can do with No, there's not much you can do.

849
01:09:30.640 --> 01:09:34.199
There's some people who claim this sort
of thing has happened to humans. Do

850
01:09:34.239 --> 01:09:42.119
you believe that it's possible that would
have happened to humans too? Yeah?

851
01:09:43.319 --> 01:09:47.760
None of the cases that I investigated
had anything and investigated a lot of death

852
01:09:49.119 --> 01:09:55.239
Yeah, about how many do you
think? Oh? Probably a good two

853
01:09:55.279 --> 01:09:59.319
hundred. Wow. And this is
just in the New Mexico area. Yeah,

854
01:09:59.479 --> 01:10:02.000
just because will stake police offs in
New Mexico. Yeah. Would you

855
01:10:02.319 --> 01:10:09.600
ever help with investigations in Colorado?
Yes? Because I know a lot have

856
01:10:09.640 --> 01:10:15.720
happened up there. Huh. Yes. Are there other strange unusual things you've

857
01:10:15.800 --> 01:10:24.800
investigated in that area? No?
Well, yeah, some other very sensitive

858
01:10:24.840 --> 01:10:31.520
stuff too, But it's research that's
going on. Huh, because I know

859
01:10:31.920 --> 01:10:36.479
at least in Pagosa Springs, which
isn't too far and on the Colorado side.

860
01:10:36.520 --> 01:10:41.760
And even in that area, there's
lots of other weird things like lights

861
01:10:41.800 --> 01:10:45.600
in the sky that are reported,
balls of lights in the mountains. Have

862
01:10:45.680 --> 01:10:53.039
you seen that or investigated that?
Yeah, some of them might have.

863
01:10:53.039 --> 01:10:58.439
Have you seen that yourself? Yeah, I know how to take pictures of

864
01:10:58.479 --> 01:11:08.720
the they're going to stealth. Yeah, the balls of light. Yeah,

865
01:11:08.760 --> 01:11:11.840
what do you think those are?
Well, they do that. It's a

866
01:11:12.960 --> 01:11:16.159
technology that does it. Okay,
Yeah, so you still think that.

867
01:11:16.359 --> 01:11:21.560
And what about there's also reports of
bigfoot a lot in the area. That's

868
01:11:21.600 --> 01:11:29.319
another thing. It's images, just
images that are created exactly with some sort

869
01:11:29.319 --> 01:11:32.520
of technology technology. Uh huh,
all of this kind of to trick and

870
01:11:32.560 --> 01:11:42.239
pull people. Yes, so that's
a very active and area and whatever secret

871
01:11:42.760 --> 01:11:46.680
group is going on down there.
Yeah. Do you think it's the most

872
01:11:46.720 --> 01:11:53.720
active area in the country. Well, they had it in Utah, they

873
01:11:53.720 --> 01:11:56.640
head in Colorado, they had it
all over the place, you see,

874
01:11:57.039 --> 01:12:01.199
uh huh. But it created a
lot of attention because the other tunnels,

875
01:12:02.439 --> 01:12:08.199
which tunnels, the ones that are
up there, see that are at the

876
01:12:08.399 --> 01:12:14.079
Archeleta Mountain. H in the Dulce
area. Yeah, oh area, Yeah,

877
01:12:15.359 --> 01:12:18.520
I know. I've heard of tunnels
that were created because they were going

878
01:12:18.600 --> 01:12:29.479
to store nuclear waste under the Archileta
Mountain. That's possible. But there's other

879
01:12:29.560 --> 01:12:34.840
tunnels also well that that. Yeah, there's about four of them, and

880
01:12:35.239 --> 01:12:44.600
these are entryways to the secret basis. Yeah. Are they still active entry

881
01:12:44.600 --> 01:12:48.680
waste, Well, they're not active
unless they couldn't see in that area.

882
01:12:49.800 --> 01:12:56.560
It's very hard because the other terrain, the mountains had a lot of stuff.

883
01:12:56.640 --> 01:13:00.159
Unless you're up there monitoring twenty four
hours a day, you can see

884
01:13:00.159 --> 01:13:05.800
it seem he could move in the
terrains very rough, you know. Card

885
01:13:10.439 --> 01:13:15.920
Some people have talked about, you
know, underground rail system that connect these

886
01:13:15.960 --> 01:13:23.159
bases and bases, even to like
Los Solomos and to currently Air Force base.

887
01:13:24.199 --> 01:13:27.760
Do you think those exists. I've
never seen that. You know,

888
01:13:27.840 --> 01:13:30.439
you do hear a lot of it, uh huh, but I've never seen

889
01:13:30.479 --> 01:13:40.279
it. Yeah. People have also
reported strange noises in the area. Yes,

890
01:13:40.960 --> 01:13:45.000
people have said that. But and
then there's a confusion that you might

891
01:13:45.119 --> 01:13:51.600
hear human beings for doing or equipment
working there, and that's where the noise

892
01:13:51.640 --> 01:13:57.479
comes from. See, do you
live in d'lta now No, no,

893
01:13:58.239 --> 01:14:02.479
oh you're in Albuquerque. Yes,
yeah, I love it out there personally.

894
01:14:03.560 --> 01:14:10.840
So how long have you been out
there? Oh? Over twenty years?

895
01:14:11.640 --> 01:14:16.319
So as far as you know there's
clandestine activity going on, is it

896
01:14:16.439 --> 01:14:24.079
well known throughout the state patrol?
Well, and then it breaks up,

897
01:14:24.159 --> 01:14:31.840
it picks up, But we haven't
had any activity going on since ninety seven,

898
01:14:31.960 --> 01:14:36.600
ninety eight Middle ass up in Red
River in towns and then he dies

899
01:14:36.680 --> 01:14:45.000
down. Do you think that they
only work in these places periodically or do

900
01:14:45.039 --> 01:14:48.119
you think they're not there anymore?
I don't think they're there anymore because there's

901
01:14:48.119 --> 01:14:53.359
no reports of it anymore. See, like I say, in nineteen eighty,

902
01:14:53.520 --> 01:14:59.840
started nineteen eighty, we didn't have
any for seven years. Uh huh.

903
01:15:00.079 --> 01:15:03.119
So it's only periodical. Yeah.
So and you think maybe they only

904
01:15:03.159 --> 01:15:10.840
come to these like underground laboratories to
do certain experiments occasionally, yes, uh

905
01:15:10.920 --> 01:15:15.039
huh wow. And you think it's
tax money that goes to these programs.

906
01:15:15.920 --> 01:15:19.119
It has to be who else is
doing it? Yeah, somebody else is

907
01:15:19.159 --> 01:15:24.319
doing We don't have any defense against
it. Yeah, that's not good.

908
01:15:24.399 --> 01:15:28.560
Huh. If they can come and
do that and operate freely without no inner

909
01:15:28.960 --> 01:15:34.800
fears. Mm hmm, then we
don't have any security all. Yeah.

910
01:15:35.359 --> 01:15:42.720
Now, I know you went to
the recent conference on those, say Binario

911
01:15:43.159 --> 01:15:47.640
Harakawa. Yes, how do you
feel about people believing in the UFOs and

912
01:15:47.720 --> 01:15:57.079
aliens in that area? Well,
they probably what they see is very advanced

913
01:15:57.560 --> 01:16:06.279
to abandsmology. Yeah, and it
hasn't been disclosed. So if those government

914
01:16:06.319 --> 01:16:10.720
people are trying to make people think
it's UFO's and aliens, they're doing a

915
01:16:10.720 --> 01:16:15.199
good job. Oh yeah, anything
you know, Yeah, and it's kept

916
01:16:15.279 --> 01:16:19.039
USh yeah. Yeah. Do you
think like other people in the government,

917
01:16:19.119 --> 01:16:23.960
like the President know about it.
I don't know if he does it or

918
01:16:24.000 --> 01:16:28.199
not, or if they share that
information with him or not. Do you

919
01:16:28.239 --> 01:16:38.199
think that the FBI knows about it? Uh? Probably they they I don't

920
01:16:38.239 --> 01:16:40.880
know if they do or not.
Probably the top level does, but I

921
01:16:40.920 --> 01:16:48.119
don't I don't think they really knows
what's behind it, you know. Yeah.

922
01:16:49.880 --> 01:16:56.239
Yeah. Do you think that investigation
that the FBI did in the seventies,

923
01:16:56.279 --> 01:17:00.600
do you think he was genuinely looking
for answers trying or do you think

924
01:17:00.680 --> 01:17:03.119
he's just kind of trying to write
it off? Well, no, they

925
01:17:03.239 --> 01:17:09.800
got that Brant in nineteen eighty it
was, and then we didn't have anything

926
01:17:09.880 --> 01:17:15.800
because the people were pushing the district
attorney to find some answers to its anythink

927
01:17:15.800 --> 01:17:20.600
they're really trying to predators. The
only thing they saw was animals that had

928
01:17:20.680 --> 01:17:27.199
died probably a natural causes, but
did actually with the relations. So they

929
01:17:27.359 --> 01:17:31.039
genuinely tried to look ranters. It's
just nothing was happening there. Justify the

930
01:17:32.199 --> 01:17:40.720
the grant that was given to Yeah, so they tried, do you know,

931
01:17:40.880 --> 01:17:46.119
have other organizations like do you know
that CIA or or air Force is

932
01:17:46.199 --> 01:17:51.000
coming to try to investigate also,
not that I'm aware of. No,

933
01:17:51.720 --> 01:18:01.920
I don't know. Yeah, so
do you know then? So you probably

934
01:18:02.039 --> 01:18:05.760
believed in that Richard Dody did know
what was going on in that area.

935
01:18:06.199 --> 01:18:11.800
He probably did know something, but
he purforcing I don't think Perforce intelligence and

936
01:18:11.840 --> 01:18:15.279
knew exacted everything was going on.
They probably they knew a lot about the

937
01:18:15.359 --> 01:18:20.960
sophisticated aircraft, but the other stuff
that was going on he probably didn't know.

938
01:18:21.600 --> 01:18:28.840
Wow, so it gets pretty complicated. Yeah, why do you think

939
01:18:28.880 --> 01:18:34.119
they hide what they're doing because it's
very sensitive what it is. Uh huh,

940
01:18:35.039 --> 01:18:45.800
But I mean, but it's important
enough to it's a great crimes for

941
01:18:47.359 --> 01:18:49.960
well, apparently it is. You
know, what they did, it was

942
01:18:50.520 --> 01:18:55.880
a citative mm hmm. I mean, do you think it's worth it?

943
01:18:58.079 --> 01:19:02.760
Well, probably after you It might
be that they don't want for the public

944
01:19:02.840 --> 01:19:11.319
to know about it. Yeah yeah, but is that justified. Well,

945
01:19:11.359 --> 01:19:15.239
they ought to compensate the people that
they took the money away from the right,

946
01:19:15.560 --> 01:19:21.520
right, they were going to do
that. They could have bought animals

947
01:19:21.600 --> 01:19:27.199
and do the research on it.
Uh huh, yeah, yeah, but

948
01:19:27.319 --> 01:19:29.880
they didn't want to know what's going
on. They didn't want people to know

949
01:19:30.000 --> 01:19:35.079
why the research. Excuse me,
So, do you think Richard Dody believed

950
01:19:35.119 --> 01:19:40.720
in UFOs and aliens? No?
I don't well that I don't know.

951
01:19:41.319 --> 01:19:45.600
I'm not sure, do you No? No? No. And then with

952
01:19:45.880 --> 01:19:53.840
Paul Benowitz, he had a breakdown, unfortunately, a mental breakdown where he

953
01:19:54.000 --> 01:20:00.920
was institutionalized for a period of time, which is very unfortunate. Have you

954
01:20:01.039 --> 01:20:09.199
talked to him after that, No, at least not around anymore. Oh

955
01:20:09.319 --> 01:20:15.119
right, yeah, now she just
passed. Yeah, but did you were

956
01:20:15.159 --> 01:20:19.000
you around when that happened? Well, I knew he was having some type

957
01:20:19.039 --> 01:20:25.760
of he was having problems here.
Yeah, yeah, that's too bad,

958
01:20:26.560 --> 01:20:30.199
and you think, do you think
it's dangerous to get too worked up or

959
01:20:30.359 --> 01:20:36.319
like he did, get too wrapped
up in some of that stuff. Well,

960
01:20:38.560 --> 01:20:41.880
it's advanced technology and you never know
how it's going to affect you,

961
01:20:42.000 --> 01:20:46.760
see. Uh huh, so the
technology itself might have affected him. He

962
01:20:46.840 --> 01:20:54.920
could have so. And then I
guess when you know, talking about just

963
01:20:54.960 --> 01:20:59.159
because I have friends and stuff who
do investigate cattle mutilations and who knows.

964
01:20:59.239 --> 01:21:04.119
I mean again once as well,
what are the sort of chemicals we need

965
01:21:04.199 --> 01:21:11.399
to be careful of? And that's
very sensitive too, Okay, what kind

966
01:21:11.439 --> 01:21:15.720
of precautions would you recommend? Just
stay away from those skettles? Just stay

967
01:21:15.720 --> 01:21:19.279
away. Yeah, and if it's
happening to you, there's nothing you can

968
01:21:19.359 --> 01:21:25.359
do about it. Yeah, that's
frustrating. I'm sure a lot of people

969
01:21:25.680 --> 01:21:30.880
would be frustrated to know that.
Yeah, but there's just nothing they can

970
01:21:30.960 --> 01:21:38.680
do. Huh yeah, Well that's
too bad. All right? Well,

971
01:21:38.960 --> 01:21:43.880
so how about now do you mind
like going to the conferences and do you

972
01:21:44.000 --> 01:21:46.960
go there to speak and kind of
let people know about at least what you've

973
01:21:47.000 --> 01:21:50.119
told me? No, I don't
talk, I don't get up and talk.

974
01:21:50.319 --> 01:21:56.920
No, you just go to kind
of see people and see what's going

975
01:21:56.960 --> 01:22:00.560
on. Yeah, you think it's
important people know that it's not UFOs and

976
01:22:00.600 --> 01:22:06.079
aliens. Yeah. Well, I
think people are kind of finding out that

977
01:22:06.560 --> 01:22:13.439
he probably wasn't because if it's twofos
and aliens, they can come and take

978
01:22:13.479 --> 01:22:15.960
our houses up in the air and
we don't have any depends on it,

979
01:22:15.439 --> 01:22:21.319
right, Yeah, yeah, if
it's right, if aliens have that advanced

980
01:22:21.399 --> 01:22:27.640
technology, they rule the whole world. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it

981
01:22:27.720 --> 01:22:30.039
makes sense. I remember one story, you know, of a guy in

982
01:22:30.119 --> 01:22:33.600
the valley San Luis at Valley which
is you know, the Colorado side up

983
01:22:33.640 --> 01:22:38.239
there, and he said, I'm
pretty sure it was a valley where he

984
01:22:38.359 --> 01:22:43.479
said, you know, he saw
wind around his house and he went outside

985
01:22:43.720 --> 01:22:46.840
and he knows he couldn't see it, he couldn't hear it, but there's

986
01:22:46.920 --> 01:22:49.880
wind around his house. And he
knew there was a helicopter above his house

987
01:22:49.960 --> 01:22:54.479
because he used to be in the
military and he knew what helicopters were like

988
01:22:54.520 --> 01:22:58.600
when they're right above you. And
then the next day he found one of

989
01:22:58.640 --> 01:23:03.039
his animals utilated. Yeah. Yeah, and that's kind of the typical story

990
01:23:03.079 --> 01:23:09.840
that you found. Huh. Yeah, if you ever come into Albuquerque.

991
01:23:09.920 --> 01:23:13.479
Give me a call. Okay,
I will for sure, because I'd love

992
01:23:13.560 --> 01:23:16.840
to meet you and talk. And
you know, I thank you for the

993
01:23:16.920 --> 01:23:20.960
work you did. At least it
seemed that you were taking these guys serious

994
01:23:21.039 --> 01:23:25.399
at a time when other people weren't. Yeah, well you see it,

995
01:23:25.560 --> 01:23:28.920
you know, when you get really
involved in it, you know, uh

996
01:23:29.000 --> 01:23:32.800
huh. They were doing it.
They were repeating these things. Then you

997
01:23:33.039 --> 01:23:39.920
finding out more and you go along, you know, right right. Okay,

998
01:23:40.159 --> 01:23:43.039
Well, thank you so much for
talking to me today. Okay,

999
01:23:43.880 --> 01:23:46.880
and you have a great evening.
Okay, talk to you later. But

1000
01:23:49.600 --> 01:23:57.479
some very interesting information. Could it
be that there is a secret government agenda

1001
01:23:58.600 --> 01:24:04.319
to mutilate the cattle, to leave
them or to come drop them near where

1002
01:24:04.319 --> 01:24:13.680
they were taken in order to make
us believe that extraterrestrials are at fault when

1003
01:24:13.760 --> 01:24:23.880
indeed it is the government themselves,
those sons of Now, when I've done

1004
01:24:23.920 --> 01:24:30.199
the investigating myself, the hard part
with this theory is that, well,

1005
01:24:30.279 --> 01:24:33.520
every piece could work if it was
really I mean, I guess clandestine,

1006
01:24:33.600 --> 01:24:38.800
you know, secret stuff. But
the problem I have is, for instance,

1007
01:24:38.880 --> 01:24:43.720
the one in Colorado that I did
last well, really the only one

1008
01:24:43.800 --> 01:24:49.039
that I've really gotten in depth investigation
into was on a busy road. And

1009
01:24:49.439 --> 01:24:53.439
you know, this is a very
rural area, so there's only one road

1010
01:24:53.520 --> 01:24:59.640
that goes even into these other towns, and a busy road. The animal

1011
01:25:00.279 --> 01:25:03.880
was below a draw, you know, in a stream it was found in,

1012
01:25:06.039 --> 01:25:11.840
So it's kind of this gully.
But this gully is a few hundred

1013
01:25:11.920 --> 01:25:17.640
feet there's a house on the south
and a few hundred to the north,

1014
01:25:19.920 --> 01:25:23.880
and so it's not that far that
a house is out there, and it's

1015
01:25:23.920 --> 01:25:28.960
by this busy road that is traversed. You know, at least you can't

1016
01:25:29.000 --> 01:25:32.600
go a couple of minutes without a
carbon buy So why do it in an

1017
01:25:32.800 --> 01:25:36.319
area that is so highly visible.
They would have had to, i mean,

1018
01:25:38.039 --> 01:25:41.119
really snuck in to do this thing. It would have to be very

1019
01:25:41.279 --> 01:25:46.800
coordinated and careful. So why would
they put themselves at risk? Why would

1020
01:25:46.840 --> 01:25:51.119
they put this technology at risk when
they could just take the animal and keep

1021
01:25:51.159 --> 01:25:57.880
it. Was it a mistake,
like mister Valdez had suggested, But if

1022
01:25:57.920 --> 01:26:03.920
these are such complicated, intelligent programs, why would they make a mistake like

1023
01:26:04.000 --> 01:26:09.640
that for so very long? I
don't know. Of course, At the

1024
01:26:09.720 --> 01:26:14.479
same time, This is a gentleman
who is a state patrol officer in the

1025
01:26:14.560 --> 01:26:20.000
area where this sort of thing happened
the most. And he is a professional

1026
01:26:20.079 --> 01:26:27.079
investigator, criminal investigator, and he
put his skills at task here, and

1027
01:26:27.520 --> 01:26:33.279
he even says he knows what organization
is committing these criminal acts. And I

1028
01:26:33.359 --> 01:26:38.800
guess that's one of the things that's
really frustrating. I'm the type of person

1029
01:26:38.880 --> 01:26:45.359
where I probably would stop at nothing, at least over time, I would

1030
01:26:45.359 --> 01:26:49.319
do my best to bring these people
to justice because this is just so incredibly

1031
01:26:49.399 --> 01:26:53.760
wrong. First of all because it's
taking money from all of these people,

1032
01:26:54.239 --> 01:26:58.119
but second of all because of course, as you all know, I'm a

1033
01:26:58.159 --> 01:27:03.079
big animal lover, so much so
that I'm a vegetarian, and so is

1034
01:27:03.279 --> 01:27:09.600
Jason and Marine, although I think
that I love animals more than they do,

1035
01:27:11.199 --> 01:27:15.600
because I don't know why I say
that. Actually, anyway, very

1036
01:27:15.720 --> 01:27:21.680
interesting conclusions that he comes to,
interesting ideas, and who is this organization

1037
01:27:23.319 --> 01:27:26.840
that is doing this, and of
course it makes it very mysterious, and

1038
01:27:26.880 --> 01:27:32.439
I wish you would share with me
who he thinks these guys are. However,

1039
01:27:33.439 --> 01:27:40.439
I do want to give you guys
some special news to thank you for

1040
01:27:40.680 --> 01:27:44.039
listening to the radio show. This
is something that we have not announced yet

1041
01:27:44.560 --> 01:27:49.520
that will probably be announced publicly very
soon, but I want to let you

1042
01:27:49.720 --> 01:27:58.479
in on our UFO Congress speakers.
Now this year, what we did is

1043
01:27:58.600 --> 01:28:00.800
gone for some of the top guys, some of that you know people.

1044
01:28:00.960 --> 01:28:06.199
Everybody's been setting us who they want. So we've gotten the biggest requested people

1045
01:28:06.439 --> 01:28:15.279
and that is Stephen Greer will becoming
Colin Andrews Whitley Striever and those are some

1046
01:28:15.399 --> 01:28:19.279
of the biggest requests. And on
top of that, this is really exciting

1047
01:28:19.359 --> 01:28:24.199
because we're gonna have General Bermudas so
we're gonna have a general there, and

1048
01:28:24.319 --> 01:28:30.680
he's a Chilean general who's in charge
of their research out there. So it

1049
01:28:30.800 --> 01:28:33.840
was actually I told you earlier that
we have a story about the Chilean government

1050
01:28:34.359 --> 01:28:41.119
UFO research group releasing some information.
This guy is the boss, so we're

1051
01:28:41.199 --> 01:28:47.039
getting him to come. But it
was his assistant second in command that Antonio

1052
01:28:47.199 --> 01:28:51.239
had talked to and got that information
from. In this for the story that

1053
01:28:51.359 --> 01:28:57.600
we have on the website about what
information it was that they recently released and

1054
01:28:58.359 --> 01:29:02.720
the details about that when they actually
released it. So this is some exciting

1055
01:29:02.800 --> 01:29:06.840
stuff for those him Musan fans.
Him Musan will be coming back. He

1056
01:29:08.000 --> 01:29:12.840
wasn't there last year or this year, but he will be for our twenty

1057
01:29:12.960 --> 01:29:17.159
twelve. And then we've also of
course got our good buddy Ben Hansen who

1058
01:29:17.239 --> 01:29:21.960
we saw on It moufon, the
guy who is the lead investigator for The

1059
01:29:23.159 --> 01:29:28.840
Factor fake television show. And we
have David Hatchet Childress from chient Aliens and

1060
01:29:29.560 --> 01:29:30.920
more. So it's going to be
a great conference, but we're out of

1061
01:29:31.039 --> 01:29:36.279
time. Thank you so much for
listening to Open Minds Radio. Be sure

1062
01:29:36.399 --> 01:29:43.079
to join us next week and check
out openminds dot tv for the latest UFO

1063
01:29:43.800 --> 01:29:46.000
news and information. Talk to you
next week.