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Here all right, welcome everybody.
I have with me a legend, one

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of the three of the great Triad
of a million Dollar strame, the one

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the only Charles Carol is with me. First question, is there intentionally no

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E? Or is there was that
a choice that you made for artistic reasons

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that that was a choice I believe
a sort of a typo choice by Nick

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Roachfort in one of the descriptions for
one of the videos, that decided just

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to remain around for the rest of
my life. I think I've been wondering

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about that for years. So I'm
glad to finally know. So oh yeah,

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so first question, So, Charles, where what region are you from?

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You have a northern accent. I
assume you're from up there in that

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New England region. Yeah, yeah, I'm from Rhode Island, born in

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Providence, like I think Cormick McCarthy
probably born at the same place, I

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hope and maybe Lovecraft. I think
it is from Providence. Yes, yeah,

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so north northeast and right right in
the best mate, perhaps the best

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place in the whole country and the
best climate zone for the whole world in

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my opinion, like the season changes, it's just the best it's the best

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that you can get in the world. Yeah, I've never been up there,

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and then you know, I just
went up there with your bros there

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recently. It was cool. I
was surprised that I thought it was going

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to be like a lot of the
rest of America, which is like giant

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ghettos everywhere, but it was.
It was actually pretty a bit like that.

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Oh you think so now I wasn't. Yes, so maybe Boston is

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like straight up ghettos, but where
we were, you know, in Providence

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is pretty nice. So now you
mentioned Cormette McCarthy. Are you a fan

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of You read Blood Meridian? Uh? Yeah, I've done the Blood Meridian

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tour a few times in my life, and it brings me, it brings

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you. That's the kind of book. Uh. I like, It's the

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only one that I've done like back
to back, like two times in road

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just because I felt the spirit,
I felt the dance of it, and

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I really like that one. And
I I don't know, I I just

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have a feeling about Providence when it
comes to that book. Yeah, I

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didn't actually expect that I would like
that. We had a grad class where

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the professor assigned it and I knew
that he had done the road, and

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so I was like, well,
what's this gonna be? But it was

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really it was it was like I
viewed it I either write a paper.

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I viewed it as like a gnostic
allegory. I don't know if you've got

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that vibe from it when you read
it. Yeah, there was some There

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was some Saltpeter mysticism in h in
a few of those scenes, and a

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lot of a lot of talk on
on like tethers and just like some some

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weird some things you don't hear very
often. Yeah. Yeah, I took

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the judge to kind of be like
a you know, demiurge type of figure.

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Anyway, we don't have to get
into that right now. But so

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you're you're a Yankee dude. You're
up there in the Northeast, You're up

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there in that nice seasonal climate.
What were you like in high school?

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Were you like a quiet dude or
were you like the loud, you know,

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superlative who got you know, funniest
dude in high school? Or what

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were you like? Well? I
was I was a little wild. I'm

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kind of a weird guy. I'm
not mister mister popular, mister mister jock.

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But I was a pretty wild guy, mainly because the uh, just

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being in school at all is is
you could consider it worse. You could

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consider worse and being in the military
or something like that, or being in

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prison. It's definitely debatable. But
the feeling of being in school was a

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feeling of deep pain and and a
feeling of my time being robbed from me

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for for bad reasons. But I
had I found ways to have fun and

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sometimes, I don't know, sometimes
it get got a little bit disruptive.

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I think. So you were a
what you were a party dude in high

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school, not not party, just
just trying just joke, joker in the

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classroom, I guess. I guess
the class clowns sometimes, I guess more

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like that, but not no,
not really partying, just in the classroom.

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Interesting, yeah, because usually like
the class clown is expected to be.

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Like in my situation, I got
class clown. But I was also

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a pretty wild party dude. So
it was sort of like you have to

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also be the the guy that wears
the you know, the lamp shade on

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his head Friday night as well as
you know, cutting up in class.

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But we did some pretty wild,
full time jump. Yeah, right,

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Like we did some weird shit,
like we would pull sy ops on the

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school, like for example, we
maybe I have to save this part for

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a non public section of the interview, but one time we ran a slow

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boy for a class president and he
actually ended up winning. And by slow

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boy, I mean you know,
a person with a certain tone about him.

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There you go, there you go. And we did it because we

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thought it'd be really funny to undermine
the popular like cheerleader chick, right,

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she wanted to be president so bad
and she actually literally lost. Yeah,

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so and she went to the president, to the president, the uh principal,

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and complained and ended up not getting
you know, she she undermined.

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She basically did a twenty sixteen election
fraud, like she called election fraud.

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Anyway, did you do like crazy
sy ops like that in high school or

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what were you up to? Uh? It was mostly I don't know.

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Sometimes sometimes there are sophistfights with teachers. There was a little bit of that.

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There was just some some stints of
just not doing anything, just chilling

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out, uh, sometimes doing poster
boards, doing poster board projects of of

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you know, some triangles and some
stupid ass homework math stuff we were doing

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over the holidays. I'm thinking about
math work. It's unbelieving I rather have

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been learning something or getting paid to
do something, you know what I mean.

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It's a nightmare. Poster boards with
like clowns with the guns to their

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heads, missiles going to the teacher's
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class like just like kind of like, I mean, not well, this

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is this was no you know,
this had to been post nine to eleven,

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like fresh nine to eleven. We're
talking here. So I go to

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I go to that guy after you
know, I graduate, I'm like,

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this would you do with that poster
board? He's like I had to throw

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that out? Is I didn't want
the principal seeing that, like he was

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covering for me and threw it out. I was like, oh wow,

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he knows. Can I put you
good? You have like like a twin

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towers that's your teacher's house, and
like like missiles flying out your teacher's house.

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That's crazy. Yeah, those were
the days. Those are the days

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like suicide just likes guns to your
head, clowns changing his changing his computer

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background to you know, like the
the photoshop Friday days back like date at

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the barn with the hitler, like
Bob the builder builder putting it as his

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background and walking out of the class. Like just back when times were kind

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of care free, you know what
I'm saying. You could get away with

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a lot more in high school back
in those days, like in high school,

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Like fist fights were normal in high
school, right, like, but

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nowadays you would immediately go to jail
if there was some kind of outbreak.

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Then it's like a gang stop or
something like that. You get your hit,

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your brain's bashed out from bumping into
somebody. Now I have to ask,

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like, what could have led to
a fistfight with a teacher? That

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sounds like an insane story. Well, we have We had a sort of

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rapport together over the years. I
was in his classroom when they were playing

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the old Uh well, if you
can believe this, we were all enjoying

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nine to eleven live back in his
classroom. So we had a rapport together

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over the years. Some C plus
plus program, some Visual Basic actually,

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and some just some bs. But
he was kind of he had he had

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a way that he liked to rise
a lot of people. And sometimes I

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went up my ass and I was
just using one of his own jokes on

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him. He's saying something like what
stinks, and I'm gonna give him a

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taste of on his own. I
was like, Yo, it's your breath

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bla back in your face. He
was sitting in front of a computer.

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So he gets up, He gets
up, He gets up out of his

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chair. Immediately, I get up
right away, kick the chair out of

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the way. We in the in
the middle of the room. I'm kicking

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him. No, no, I'm
like punching his shoulder, like just you

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know not. It's not a like
we're not exchanging blows. I'm punching him

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and he's like kicking kicking me in
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little bit, you know what I'm
saying. It was it was a throwdown,

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but it wasn't. No one ever
spoke about it ever again. There

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was never any trouble. It wasn't
we weren't like pissed, but it was.

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It wasn't something that ever that that
never happened. That doesn't that doesn't

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usually happen. But I made it
happen and no one got roasted for it,

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which was a success. Well,
nowadays you would have to be like

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a beautiful ethnic, right, because
we see a lot of videos that going

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viral of beautiful ethnics getting in fight
with teachers. So that's really the only

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time. Oh do they do they
do that? Do they win? Or

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what do they do? Do they
use their mouth? Like? Are they

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doing like stuff you haven't seen?
Like the videos of like teenagers like fighting

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the teachers. It's wild, oh
every once in a while, but I

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I don't remember. I can't think
of any anyone's I don't know. I'm

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sure they're good though, but they're
they're good. But with teachers, it's

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just the teachers out back man,
right, you remember the bum fights guys,

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right, Yeah, they got they
got nailed for for mailing the baby

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body parts out of Thailand. So
good. Oh I love that. Fuck,

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don't ever forget that. You crazy? Are you being serious? Didn't

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know that so that the people behind
bumfights were mailing body parts? Yeah,

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it was something weird. I try
not to remember the details, but I

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was like, wow, that's kind
of weird. It was so good.

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Yeah, that was those guys would
be crazy getting bums to fight. I

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thought that was I thought that was
kind of like the most obscene thing that

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ever been done in my lifetime.
It felt it felt like yeah, like

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I don't know, it made me
feel weird and I I couldn't watch it.

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It was like one of those things. But those guys seem to have

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a certain tone about them too.
Yeah, I don't know, there's something

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yeah that's that's super degenerate. So
you, uh so after high school did

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you go to college? What did
you did you think I want to go

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into you know, comedy, I
want to do something creative or did you

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have like a normal job route that
you wanted to take or what happened after

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high school? Well, I was
I was a little bit of a dumb

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ass in high school and coming out
of high school, so I really kind

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of needed college to get my brain
back because I refused to do anything in

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school because I yeah, but I
came out like, uh well, so

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I needed to do college and I
was interested back then in game design,

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but I just didn't I didn't feel
like I just I don't know, I

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just wasn't feeling it. Plus I
was just like, ah, this is

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I know what it's going to turn
into. And you know, twenty years

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or something like that. As soon
as you get wrong, next thing,

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you know, it's early retirement for
you. So I needed But either way,

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I studied literature and classics and it
got me back. It got me

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back up to speed all the time
that got wasted on me in high school

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and for my whole for twelve years
fifty wasted. Oh so you wow,

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that's crazy. So you studied classics
at undergrad and you were gonna but you

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were going to go into game development
and then you decided not to or did

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you do that for a while?
Yeah? No, I decided either I

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was either I was too stupid or
I just wasn't feeling it, and things

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just things just kind of segued into
comedy and in some ways, but uh,

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yeah, no, I just I
didn't want to go to like a

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game design school, like I thought
that was insane. So at least at

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the behest I guess of Chris Crawford, his advice from for a game designer

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was to study something something liberal arts, like literature or history or something.

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History is a hard pill to swallow
because it's all just you know how history

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is. But literature I needed to
get it and it and it got me.

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Uh, it got me good.
You know, the mythology from the

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classics and just some perspective from those
old times. And mostly the plays,

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uh, the sitcoms from the Romans
and the and the comedies from the Greeks

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are are pretty pretty essential if you, I guess, if you want to

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understand the framework of modern Seinfeld stuff
or whatever. Absolutely, yeah, I

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uh, I had a classics and
mythology grad class that was one of my

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favorites from the whole time. And
then you yeah, you you see the

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structure, you see you know,
you read Sophocles and these different things.

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You start to realize how prevalent and
sort of archetypal all that is. So

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then you you're, so, you're
out of college. What how does comedy

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come about? If you're you're you
were thinking video games? What what made

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you decide not to go gain development
and then move into the comedy realm?

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Well, I you know, it
just I I wasn't like going it further

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into it, so I figured that
I wasn't really interested. And it wasn't

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like years and years. It just
kind of fresh out of there, I

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was like, oh, this is
kind of it's like and it was different

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back then, It's not like how
it is now. And but I was

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living with some some buddies, Eric
Hayden and uh, some some of the

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guys from from the Legends, you
know the Legends, Uh, the CEO

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rather uh. And we we just
started we just started, like, I

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don't know, around the same time. It's weird like around parallel to this,

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Nick and Sam met up and started
like working on some of their some

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of their stuff around this time.
This is like the pre pre days before

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I you know, before I didn't
spoke to Roachfort for a while. But

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we just we just were doing We
weren't gonna be writing scripts and and dicking

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around like that. We're too lazy, like I'm writing scripts like oh man.

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dance around and you turn the camera
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we, you know, started doing
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yes and like, it was nothing
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trying to make each other laugh pretty
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served us well for a number of
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meet those two. So Sam and
Nick were doing stuff, you and Eric

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were hanging out doing stuff. How
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that occur? Well, Erica,
I met in I don't know, in

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like the mid nineties or something around
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a minute and roach it it even
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kind of married in some ways with
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just it just so happens. Like
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time we were kind of just shooting
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he's like, you know, you
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Island, and we really were really
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bit of speed catching up that day, and then, uh, and then

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he introduced me to Sam and he
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then it births that. Yeah.
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Sam and Nick were working on their
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introduced me to to Sam and we
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hard, so we knew it was
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to you personally, and I got
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you know, some of their comedic
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Like what were you watching in the
nineties and two thousands that was like,

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this is comedy, this is funny, this is what I'm gonna shoot

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four you know the best. My
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I like the Sergeant Bilco. That
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at Nick at night when I was
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and white TV, but it really
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is really I I appreciate him the
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really got me going at a young
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And then you know, I was
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living color times which are far superior
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Damon Wayne's and all, I mean, all those guys. Jim Carrey was

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in there. You remember, you
remember those days. I remember that I

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was in California as a kid when
Fox first started putting up well, Fox

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had first come out. It was
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Simpsons and then not too long after
that, and they would have like it

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would be like I can't remember if
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Simpsons in a living color, but
I remember watching both of those over and

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over and over. Yep. I
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is totally like nobody had done sketch
comedy you like in living color? No

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point, Nope, no nobody.
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pretty these were really around that same
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SNL, like the Phil Hartman years. Yeah, and the Dana Carvey years

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are pretty special in those times.
So it must have been around that same

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area. But nothing be in living
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everything else. What else was there
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they actually liked the s c TV. So as a kid, oh

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yeah, yeah, I had seen
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you mention that on one of the
pgls and I was like, yeah,

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dude, there's actually some there's some
there's some st the top stuff that still

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holds up is still funny. Yeah, it's they're the they're the best by

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I always go to my dad when
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onto, and that's where the billco
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color. He didn't suggest that,
but he always forever SCTV, SCTV.

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He's better than SNL. I'm watching
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SCTV, Like, oh man,
John Candy, Rick moranis John Flawery,

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Eugene Levy, those days ohhah everyone, Oh those were so good.

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Candy as a kid. He was
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got really into doing impressions, probably
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fan. But I wanted to ask
you did you get into the state.

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I remember Nick mentioned the state and
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the State when it premiered on MTV
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in Living Color, was kind of
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time The State comes out on MTV, MTV was still doing a lot of

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avant garde kind of new stuff.
At that in the nineties, nobody had

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seen anything like The State, and
we were in high school. My buddies

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and I were always trying to mimic
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how that's how wild we thought it
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that. I do remember that.
I I don't know if I tuned in

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enough. Is that Michael Ian Black
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mean they've been they've been legends for many,

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many many years. Yeah, no, okay, I remember the stage

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that was MTV during like the liquid
television days, exactly, exactly. Yeah.

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The thing about The State is that, I mean, Renal Ninemuer one

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is funny, but the State was. It was different. It was very

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very abstract, sketch comedy but very
smart. So it's it's different than Reno

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Number one. So it's definitely worth
checking out. Did you did you now

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I'm gonna know you're doing stand up
now, and we'll talk about some of

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the venues and dates that you guys
have coming up, so people watching should

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go get tickets if you haven't gotten
any. Did you think you would be

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doing stand up? Had you ever
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a new foray for you? This
This isn't the first four array into taking

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it really seriously? Is we did? We did do We did step into

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it back, you know, way
back in the day for some open mics

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just to prepare for the mini the
mini tour that we did that was you

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know a Brooklyn, Philadelphia, and
Boston, I believe years ago. So

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we did do a handful of open
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New York. Are some some smaller
stuff too, just to keep on getting

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some time on the stage and all
that. And there were some there was

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some good output from that. But
it wasn't it didn't it didn't get it

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didn't get really spearheady until recently,
and it never it hasn't crossed my mind

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enough over the years. I just
haven't. I haven't been thinking about it

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because I don't know, I probably
haven't been thinking one question on that that

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I have is that and I've done
a little bit of sketch like writing and

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stuff like that. Like, It's
one thing I've noticed is that the way

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that you think about what's funny in
a sketch or what's funny if you're doing

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improv or doing impressions like, it
doesn't always translate into the form of stand

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up. So and the way your
stuff, because it's often very abstract,

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I'm just curious, like, how
do you find it at all challenging to

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translate that into the medium of stand
up just because it's very unique as comedy

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goes. Yeah, there's it's definitely
definitely giant challenges doing stand up, no

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matter if you're you're naturally good at
or not. It's really the crucible of

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of all crucibles, in my opinion. You really get to works, you

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get to have some serious quality time
seeing where you're at as a performer or

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how sharp your mind is. It's
real a really good space to get real

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good at something. But I've I've
never been mister stand up and just avoided

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certain I don't I'm just a weirdo
when it comes to either watching it or

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like jokes like jokes. I'm I'm
not doing you know, it's always been

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something, so I'm like, I'm
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when when I approach it, it's
either bombing at the open mics back in

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the day, just I'm not really
pulling anything off. And now I I

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just tell I go up there and
I I just tell I become the storyteller,

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like a kind of a Muppet,
a Jim Henson kind of thing,

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and I just I'm just testing testing
that out these days. That's that's kind

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of where I'm at where my mind
allows. Yeah. We were talking to

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Sam Tripoli about this, and he's
been doing stand up for twenty plus years,

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and that's essentially what he was saying
was like, really just think about

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it as a storyteller. If you
can move towards storytelling is probably the best

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route. I thought that was pretty
good advice because I'm I'm very neube at

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the order of stand up. I'm
pretty good with impressions and kind of you

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know, this a bit balling,
but it's way different when you're like,

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you know, just you the mic
and you know, it's crazy, it

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is crazy, it's it's a it's
a trip, it's like, if you

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can do the audience like interaction and
kind of make fun of everybody in the

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audience, that's fine, but that
only goes so far. Like you gotta

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have more meat going on. I
guess anyway, now, yeah, there's

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meat right now. You are also
a conspiracy connoisseur. I guess you could

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say, so, Uh, how
how did you go from like funny guy

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to going down the route of getting
really into a lot of these really deep

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rabbit holes. One thing that surprised
me was listening to a lot of the

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PGL episodes was that, like,
you're like way deep on a lot of

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these topics. Not that I didn't
think you were, you know, smart

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enough or anything, just I didn't
expect you to be like really into questioning

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all kinds of stuff. What kicked
you off on that that on that kick?

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How'd you get into the conspiracy stuff? Well, yeah, I was.

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I was never a big conspiracy guy. I always kind of questioned things

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a little. But I've I've been
pro just like many of the normanies out

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there, and I'm we're all susceptible
to these sort of things, and I

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I got down in it. I
guess sort of sort of after the world

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Piece of Season one, stuff kind
of kind of concluded in some ways,

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and I was just in a in
a sort of a state of mind that

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required I guess, deep knowledge,
I suppose, and it just it got

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me into like the Trump stuff was
happening, and all this and that and

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all these the like that, like
my mind was was wild, and what

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really hit it was the uh,
the frickin' the I mean, I know,

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it's a joke even mentioning anything.
You know, conspiracies come. They

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should have a disclaimer on everything,
Like everything is the product of psychological warfare,

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no matter what. So if you're
going to talk about it, you're

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just gonna have a good time,
you know. So it's when when the

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like the guszaf for two point zero
stuff came out like that, that stuff,

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and I'm like, I'm like,
whoa. And before this there was

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just some Saturn you know, it's
like Saturn conspiracies. I'm like this,

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what the hell is this a hexagram? And I'm like, wait, religion,

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uh wait, hold on a second, there's ancient religions. They wait,

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ancient religions, It's possible that they
still exist, Like things things like

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that that you know, I'm either
not smart enough or just programmed to nothing.

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They never never crossed my mind that
could be even remotely possible. I'm

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like, what the hell I thought? This was like a different time period,

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and that started, that started to
settle in, and then there's like

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like the weird, the weird conspiracies, the ones that were heavy, heavy

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into the UH, heavy into the
ultra violence. And when you when I

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started enjoying that sort of letting it
in, UH, it leads you,

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It leads you down, It leads
you down the wildest path when it comes

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to trauma stuff. So it really
it really opened up some some unique pathways

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in my suspension of disbelief. I
don't know what to call it exactly,

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but it made me open to a
lot of interesting ideas because the worst UH

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I had already I had already contemplated
the worst thing, the worst things that

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happened in this world, and then
like this, thinking about him, reading

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about them, hmm, oh this
happened to me. Oh hmm, you

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know, and you're like this,
you go with wild a little bit,

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but it kind of it kind of
gave me a speed dating session when it

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came down to it. That's my
that's my origin story. I'm curious and

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I don't mean to get too personal, but a lot of people have a

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story like, oh, you know, I did LSD, I did the

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d m T and then I got
super into conspiracy stuff Like was there a

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documentary or did you have like a
d MT experience or what kicked that off?

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No, it was just it was
just like a It just like an

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the revelation of the politics that came
out of out of that stuff during Trump,

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like the hardcore like the the Island
stuff in the in the you know

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that, the the kill room stuff, like the hardcore stuff that. Yeah,

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like that was it was such it
was soaponized where you learning about it,

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it like rocks you in some ways, like it's like clockwork orange like

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you it makes you kind of crazy
and uh, I don't know where what

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the what was the question, Sarry? No? I mean I was saying,

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like, because a lot of people
talk about especially if they go into

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you know, questioning reality itself.
Oh yeah, the rabbit hole takes you

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that point where you're questioning, you
know, are we living in an illusion?

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You know that it's oftentimes because they
oh I experimented with d MT or

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00:27:32,839 --> 00:27:34,759
I did this sure, so I
was just curious if you if that was

408
00:27:34,839 --> 00:27:38,480
part of your story or if it
was just sort of the political stuff going

409
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:42,599
on that sort of triggered the looking
into the little Saint James Island and then

410
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:48,839
going from there and or so there
was It wasn't really it was no no,

411
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,599
there was no drug thing. There
was none of that. It was

412
00:27:51,759 --> 00:27:59,319
just I guess, morbid curiosity,
or rather an understanding on the weaponization of

413
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,720
things that you that you don't know
can be weaponized. It was a sort

414
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:08,559
of I don't know like that that
that level of strategy was was interesting to

415
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,920
me because it has it has all
been used on myself and everybody. So

416
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,079
it is in some ways like the
hard I don't know, like the violence

417
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:23,400
mode way of understanding why you are
how you are and also what's been robbed

418
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,359
from you and the implications of that. It's just kind of heavy things,

419
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,480
but at least you can find out
why you're you know, why you're weird,

420
00:28:30,519 --> 00:28:33,279
the way you're weird. It was
sort of like an inner kind of

421
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:38,599
introspection deal that I got in some
of these ways, like I don't know,

422
00:28:38,599 --> 00:28:44,359
because sometimes you're you know how sometimes
the brain can be hard to crack

423
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:45,960
sometimes if you need to get to
a different place, if you're stuck in

424
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,440
the same place. I had to
do some hammer back around that time because

425
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,480
I remember seeing streams from you,
and you would do twitch streams and and

426
00:28:53,559 --> 00:28:56,480
you were kind of it seemed like
you were maybe working through a lot of

427
00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,039
these topics, you know, as
you're streaming, kind of thinking yeah,

428
00:29:00,359 --> 00:29:04,880
And I remember you were talking more
and more about like entities and like are

429
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:11,400
they feeding on us? And how
are you coming to those conclusions? And

430
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,000
I'm not here to critique you.
I'm just curious how Oh no, sure

431
00:29:14,079 --> 00:29:18,440
that, Oh I love talking about
them. Those those conclusions are the ones

432
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,599
that I came to and the ones
that I decided to enlarge in a public

433
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,640
forum. That was that needed to
be sort of clean, like uh like

434
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,319
twitch or whatever, and I don't
want to be poisoning people sometimes with how

435
00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:34,079
deeply I can think of these things. So it was a way. It

436
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:40,279
was like a buffer that allowed me
to to strain away the hardcore, the

437
00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:45,279
ultra violence and instead get down to
a brass tax that had that has as

438
00:29:45,359 --> 00:29:49,599
much of the clockwork orange stuff of
it wiped as much as as you can

439
00:29:49,599 --> 00:29:53,039
because it makes you unclean if you
if you ruminate on a lot of atrocity.

440
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:59,119
So I wanted to make it about
about it being a game or a

441
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,400
war with your elf and just something
that's that's proactive that I was giving.

442
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,160
Trust me, I was, I
wasn't I wasn't trying to put out I

443
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,039
mean I was trying to, but
I wasn't exactly putting out wisdom. I

444
00:30:08,039 --> 00:30:11,480
was like giving myself advice because I
was like a freaking maniac for years,

445
00:30:11,799 --> 00:30:15,720
honestly, but I was intent on
doing my best, not putting out poison.

446
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:22,720
But it was I was like trans
transmuting that that knowledge of ultra violence

447
00:30:22,759 --> 00:30:26,200
into to distill it as much as
I could, to make it wisdom.

448
00:30:27,119 --> 00:30:30,720
Yeah, I think that makes sense. And a lot of people talked about

449
00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:36,759
kind of maybe a process that everybody
goes through when they start to learn these

450
00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:38,519
things. We kind of have a
phase of like being shocked, and then

451
00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:42,519
there's kind of a phase of feeling
depressed and kind of dark, and then

452
00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:45,720
you kind of you kind of cope
and deal with it and as you said,

453
00:30:45,759 --> 00:30:51,200
transmuted into something that makes you hopefully
stronger to to you know, not

454
00:30:51,319 --> 00:30:53,640
give into like pure rank evil when
we see it, you know. So

455
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,720
I'm talking about like stuff like this, right, so this goes Oh yeah,

456
00:30:57,759 --> 00:31:03,319
So what what did you find like? Was the the working through the

457
00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:08,640
streams and talking it out and kind
of expressing it. Was that your way

458
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,359
of dealing with that. Did some
of the comedy deal with that as well?

459
00:31:12,559 --> 00:31:17,440
Or was it like, did you
read some texts that you thought was

460
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:22,079
like a gnostic text that was very
influential or or what was going on?

461
00:31:22,319 --> 00:31:26,079
Well, I I try to read
this stuff with my attention span when it

462
00:31:26,119 --> 00:31:30,400
comes to certain things like it,
it just bombards me with all of these

463
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,599
these concepts. So I tried to
stay away from too much of the texts

464
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:38,119
unless unless it's like a real conscious
decision to do it. So I should,

465
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,200
I should dabble in a little bit
more. But it was it was

466
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:48,000
a sort of a therapeutic session.
They're working working through hardcore topics and making

467
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:55,960
them digestible and also having a place
where I could at least get better.

468
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:57,319
I mean, you say what you
want about streaming this and that, but

469
00:31:57,799 --> 00:32:05,279
at least get better at at being
on camera and having having myself trying to

470
00:32:05,319 --> 00:32:09,599
have myself under control, you know, all these thousands of hours sometimes can

471
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:15,160
can turn you into something else.
Yeah, it is really weird because it's

472
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:21,920
like my experience, the more that
you live stream, the more that you

473
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,920
you don't feel or notice a difference
between the live stream you and the non

474
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:30,480
live streaming you. So it kind
of becomes a seamless thing where I mean,

475
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,119
this is like the normal me is
the me that you see on live

476
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:37,480
streams versus you know, the way
media maybe used to be where you were

477
00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:40,799
playing a character and that's not the
real you. And yeah, livestream itself

478
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:47,000
is just kind of a big,
weird, surreal yeah wild. Yeah,

479
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:51,799
there was actually some of the literature
talks about that as even like a dystopian

480
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,839
thing where in the future, you
know, I remember in a Fifth Element

481
00:32:54,920 --> 00:33:00,400
where basically, you know, the
black dudes like walking around like he's like

482
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:05,480
a cross between Prince and Rupe Paul, and he's like he's live streaming the

483
00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:07,960
whole thing at the end of Fifth
Element. It's like, that's odd.

484
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:13,920
That was That was like mid late
nineties talking about how reality is livestream Now.

485
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,240
I don't know. I obviously thought
he must have just made it up.

486
00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:19,079
He might he must have just liked
the way it looked, so he

487
00:33:19,119 --> 00:33:22,519
put it in the movie. You
know how you know these you know the

488
00:33:22,599 --> 00:33:27,559
encoding that the cinema, cinema,
these the frames of light and in the

489
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,160
sequence, what they do to the
to the psyche or in regards to hypnotism.

490
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,200
It's just it's just I guess it's
just like a joke. You know,

491
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:37,160
it's like a it's like a joke
for them. Oh, you mean

492
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:42,640
the controllers and the elites, like
their view of like what movies are doing

493
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,079
and what they are. Is that
what you're saying, Yeah, just like

494
00:33:45,119 --> 00:33:49,119
so you know what they show,
and then twenty five years later it's it's

495
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,480
even worse than what they showed,
and like the worst dystopia hell you could

496
00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:55,319
ever imagine people I forgot like that, I'd bomb everywhere. Yeah, it's

497
00:33:55,319 --> 00:33:59,960
like a combo of like all of
the worst elements of the previous dystopia.

498
00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:02,880
Is that they Yeah, they try
to incarnate. Do you think in your

499
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,799
view, like is there ultimately kind
of about the top of all this,

500
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:12,039
like a malevolent, dark force,
like a spiritual force? Is that what

501
00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:16,960
you would say there? I guess
I would would say it because it's it's

502
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:22,840
safe it seems safe to assume otherwise, How how can wickedness in this world

503
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:29,199
be be justified because it's not I'm
handling. Hey, Maybe it's just random,

504
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,880
maybe it's just everything. But it
seems like there are forces that are

505
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:37,360
that are warring together in ways that
are stripped from our curriculum, you know,

506
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:42,280
during our our tenure in this world, our sentence in this world.

507
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,000
It seems like but you know,
you really can't be thinking those thoughts because

508
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,800
it just makes you even a deeper
prisoner. But it does seem like there

509
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:54,920
are some forces that look to degrade
humanity to a point where it is humanity

510
00:34:55,000 --> 00:35:00,760
no longer. And it's it's sort
of irrefutable. It's not like brands or

511
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:05,000
things. These are they're sort of
preordained in science fiction and in movies and

512
00:35:05,079 --> 00:35:08,000
music and everything literature every for a
hundred years or so. It's just it's

513
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:13,559
sort of irrefutable. So I'm under
the assumption there's something, there's something that

514
00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:17,880
doesn't like humanity for some reason or
another. Yeah, And now, changing

515
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:23,360
up a little bit from that,
the darker esoterist stuff. What as a

516
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:28,480
man of letters, what's a couple
of books that you recommend always ask people

517
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,920
when I do interviews, I always
ask them like, what's a couple Oh

518
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:35,559
sure, do you think everybody should
read? Or maybe not everybody, but

519
00:35:35,679 --> 00:35:38,679
maybe a couple of books that have
really impacted you that maybe not everybody should

520
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:43,159
read. Oh sure, No,
there's there's a handful of the classics.

521
00:35:43,159 --> 00:35:45,039
There's a handful of the wild ones
that I was like, whoa, whoa,

522
00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:51,920
whoa. But there there are there
are the ones that people don't usually

523
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:57,800
don't usually dig into, the Charles
Williams and other inkling with Tolkien and Lewis

524
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,199
and some of the other legends.
The Charles Williams I have found, at

525
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:06,840
least where I'm at in my mind, uh, to be to have concepts

526
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:15,960
in there, assuming that assuming that
this that Williams was encoding his positive you

527
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:20,159
know, positive rights and positive initiations
in his literature. I'm just taking I'm

528
00:36:20,199 --> 00:36:24,159
just taking everyone's word for it.
But it seems like there there's some kind

529
00:36:24,159 --> 00:36:28,599
of I guess, some initiations in
the book, you could say, or

530
00:36:28,639 --> 00:36:30,760
it's like how I feel when I
read certain things. Maybe that's how you

531
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:35,440
Maybe that's the bar for literature.
I don't know, but I've found I

532
00:36:35,559 --> 00:36:42,920
found some of those in in uh, The Place of the Lion and All

533
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:49,880
Hallows Eve, I found them.
I found them to be tools and pretty

534
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:55,239
staggering in the quality of concepts and
ideas in them. It was really it

535
00:36:55,320 --> 00:37:00,440
was really crazy, and I reach
for those. I reach for those more

536
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,599
than more than other things, I
guess. But those I find that are

537
00:37:04,639 --> 00:37:08,639
good. But there's there's a there's
more classic ones too. There's I haven't

538
00:37:08,679 --> 00:37:14,039
read those. I'm familiar with trust
games, but I'm gonna write that down.

539
00:37:14,119 --> 00:37:20,800
Are you did you read the Thesis
Space Trilogy? Oh? Yes,

540
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,599
man, that is space trilogy.
Much deeper than I expected. I thought

541
00:37:22,599 --> 00:37:25,400
it was gonna be like Narnia in
space, but it was like, yeah,

542
00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:29,840
it was. It was a whole
other level. Like I mean,

543
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:35,159
like the second book is so from
a literary perspective, so profound, like

544
00:37:35,199 --> 00:37:38,599
you could have like grad classes on
that second book. The third one is

545
00:37:38,639 --> 00:37:45,239
like total conspiracy, you know,
Alien New World Order, Demon Tavistock Institute,

546
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,440
mind controlling kill. Yeah, exactly. I did not expect any that

547
00:37:49,519 --> 00:37:52,119
whole series to go in the direction
of win. I mean, the first

548
00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:55,519
one is kind of like a It
has some profound points, but like it's

549
00:37:55,599 --> 00:38:00,159
kind of a kid's story. Second
one, I mean all of the Class

550
00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:06,599
six that are referenced, you know, the Fall, the metaphysics, free

551
00:38:06,639 --> 00:38:09,360
Will. I mean that one is
next level. And then the third one

552
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,159
is so conspiratory. It's just not
at all what I expected it to be

553
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,679
when I read it. Yeah,
that that was the real That's that's the

554
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:22,039
craziest thing to be a fan of
of Narnia, and it's Narnia has has

555
00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:25,800
some depths in you know, in
in the most ways, but he's always

556
00:38:27,039 --> 00:38:29,880
he's always just kind of brushed aside. I wrote the books. He was

557
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,199
a Christian apologist. He just wrote
the books on the Lion or whatever,

558
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,880
who is? Who is every god
there ever was? You know how it

559
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,719
is they just kind of push him
away. But the Space trilogy has has

560
00:38:39,039 --> 00:38:45,000
the real It has some real concepts
in there that are genuinely scary. Yeah,

561
00:38:45,039 --> 00:38:52,039
and in some ways, I mean, I'm they the Objectivity Room in

562
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,039
the scenes that we all remember the
most, in that hideous strength they have.

563
00:38:55,480 --> 00:39:00,639
They I'm guessing they are inspired by
Williams and his and his experience.

564
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:06,320
And it wasn't Oto, it was
it was something else. Yeah, Yeah,

565
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,360
it was something that was less.
I don't know, he I don't

566
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,760
know, you know how it is
with this stuff. But it had some

567
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,280
it had some real ultra violence,
like elements of ultra violence that people aren't

568
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,760
usually privy to because you only get
like gore and things like that. But

569
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,280
it was really kind of staggering to
see that, to see that people can

570
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:30,639
be, you know, like Manchurian
candidate initiations like that's that that knowledge that

571
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:36,440
people are can be can be invited
by force? Is it? Really?

572
00:39:36,519 --> 00:39:39,039
It scares you in a way.
That's that's not it's it's the word has

573
00:39:39,079 --> 00:39:46,800
gone for it. Yeah. Uh. Even though the third book isn't explicitly

574
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:52,360
dealing with MK ultra, there is
that element to it where you can have

575
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:58,400
the degradation of the psyche through this
initiation process that you're talking about, and

576
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,119
it does parallel very well with you
know, I think when people are brought

577
00:40:02,159 --> 00:40:07,239
deeper and deeper into the dark side
of things, there's this expectation that you're

578
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,880
going to be further and further degraded
to ensure that you will go along.

579
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,719
I mean, that's what a lot
of this Jeff Say mceffory type stuff is

580
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,840
all about. So Yeah, it
was just to see that in the C.

581
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:21,960
S. Lewis book was pretty wild. Shock. I didn't even consider

582
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:23,880
that he would even be aware of
such violence, you know what I mean,

583
00:40:24,639 --> 00:40:29,239
you know, it was weird.
It was staggering. Yeah. And

584
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,599
then I don't know if you ever
noticed, but in the first book there's

585
00:40:31,639 --> 00:40:37,920
this last section where there's like a
letter from Professor Ransom, and then you

586
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:42,280
you're supposed to think think that that's
Tolkien, because there's other things later on

587
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:47,079
that point to the possibility of that. I hate n Ninia sucks well,

588
00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:53,320
but that makes me think that maybe
even Tolkien. Because a lot of people

589
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:57,519
will say all Lord of the Rings
is just it's not intended to be any

590
00:40:57,559 --> 00:41:00,159
deeper. It's actually just supposed to
be a surface level. It's like a

591
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,480
you know, an old, an
old Nordic story. That's just it is

592
00:41:04,519 --> 00:41:07,039
what it is. There's not like
allegorical depth or something like that. But

593
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:14,960
well, I think there's a lot
more going on, like because the Ransom

594
00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:20,800
character, like he says, I
was reading a bunch of medieval Neoplatonic texts

595
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,960
and this is where I got the
the story about the planet uh and the

596
00:41:25,559 --> 00:41:30,719
first one, and that's supposed to
be Tolkien, and then when you go

597
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,920
and look at Tolkien's works you can
figure out, well, wait a minute,

598
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,559
Newmanor is supposed to be Atlantis.
The Newmanorians are the Atlanteans. And

599
00:41:38,599 --> 00:41:44,000
so I think he's like encoding a
lot more in there with the neo platonic

600
00:41:44,039 --> 00:41:46,000
stuff. And then when you when
you read Silmarillion, it's like a Louvatar

601
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:52,119
and the you know, you know, the beings around him that helped you

602
00:41:52,119 --> 00:41:54,280
know, govern Middle Earth and all
that, that's all very neo platonic.

603
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,320
So I don't know what if you
have any thoughts on that, I'm just

604
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,000
thinking out loud. Oh oh no, definitely they'll they'll dismiss him as like,

605
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,920
oh, he was just a really
good storyteller, you know. But

606
00:42:04,119 --> 00:42:07,639
I guess he had access to some
hidden history books and wherever wherever he had

607
00:42:07,639 --> 00:42:10,880
his cap on. Yeah, he
had he had access that you just that

608
00:42:12,039 --> 00:42:15,440
you can't get access to. I
don't know how people get access to it.

609
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,800
But the Inklings were they were not
a normal crowd of guys, you

610
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:24,199
know, like they they were exceptional
men. You're not normal, So they

611
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,880
I guess because of how good they
were or whatever. The hell, they

612
00:42:29,159 --> 00:42:32,440
they had access, but I yeah, I guess he uh he just tell

613
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:37,719
I suppose he tells the story of
of the fall of this world and the

614
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:42,320
subjugation and real, real wickedness that's
behind the scenes, and pretty much everything

615
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,480
your roots and your history, and
how devastating that is when it's taken away

616
00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:51,679
from you, when you can't recognize
Lord of the Rings to have real historical

617
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:57,960
value. That means like the the
machine is is like greased. Well,

618
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,239
if you if the hero of the
third this was my thesis after all of

619
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:07,039
that, if the hero of the
third one is roughly speaking at tolkienesh tolken

620
00:43:07,159 --> 00:43:13,320
Ish type of professor professor rantom and
whatnot, and if both the third volume

621
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,519
of the Space trilogy is about sort
of the technocratic control grid new world order

622
00:43:16,559 --> 00:43:22,559
structure, and if Sorowmon is trying
to incarnate and bring about this all seeing

623
00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:27,360
eye, you know, a total
surveillance system in Lord of the Rings.

624
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:32,639
Excuse me, sore On Soromon is
using technology right to try to create this

625
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:37,719
hybrid ring. He's using a Goblin
farm exactly. So it's baby, I

626
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,599
think where both of them are telling
us like hey, wait, wake up,

627
00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:44,760
everybody, here's fiction telling you about
like what's really going on to just

628
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,679
you know, to create this hell
world. Yeah, when when you've got

629
00:43:47,679 --> 00:43:52,719
baby farms in your stuff back and
when he published those, that's that's hardcore.

630
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:58,840
But only now do you recognize that
as hardcore technology, not fantasy magic.

631
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,280
It's it's like it's science. So
it's religious magic or whatever you want

632
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:07,800
to call it. Yeah, exactly. And then you know sore On is

633
00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:14,280
like creating the machine of war and
he's using technology to create uh, you

634
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,440
know, bombs and whatnot. So
I think it's all kind of codes for

635
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:22,039
that. By the way, I
found some research too that Tolkien actually had

636
00:44:22,039 --> 00:44:28,639
a period where he was recruited to
do British intelligence like signals. Yeah,

637
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:34,280
yeah, of course, I don't
think any Lewis, Oh yeah, I

638
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,800
mean it seems to be a lot. It's it seems like an irrefutable thing.

639
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:42,880
No matter how glorious the figure is
whatever, there always seems to be

640
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,480
work in some sort of an intelligence
agency to uh in some way or another.

641
00:44:46,679 --> 00:44:51,760
Like with Tolkien, h with the
messages, I don't think I haven't

642
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,679
heard at all, Like I'm not
saying like I'm not trying to cast dispersions

643
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:58,639
on Tolkien. But what happens?
Oh, sure, so like if you're

644
00:44:58,679 --> 00:45:01,440
good at languages, right, and
uh, you know, he basically created

645
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:06,519
a whole Elvish language. I think
he was like the top. Yeah,

646
00:45:06,519 --> 00:45:09,159
they thought, well you could you
could be good for like, uh,

647
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:15,360
cryptography, because we could you know, use your signals intelligence, your cryptographics

648
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,239
stuff in World War two? Like
Johnny Cash did he do that? What

649
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,599
do you mean? Yeah, Johnny
Cash did? He had crypto stuff back

650
00:45:22,599 --> 00:45:25,599
in the day, wasn't it.
He's like the first to learn of Stalin's

651
00:45:25,679 --> 00:45:29,320
death. There was some sort of
mythology with him. Yeah, he was

652
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,400
an intelligence too, I think.
But no, there's always something but no,

653
00:45:32,559 --> 00:45:36,880
that was interesting and yeah there's no
there's no nefarious side. I'm not

654
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,039
implying any nefarious uh stuff with them
because there's just so legendary. But there's

655
00:45:40,039 --> 00:45:45,000
always there's always something funny. But
those but those lines like top minds of

656
00:45:45,039 --> 00:45:52,679
those times, they're like mutants.
Yeah, like Superman. So I don't

657
00:45:52,679 --> 00:45:54,920
want to keep you too long.
We're going for forty five. I know

658
00:45:55,000 --> 00:46:00,639
that you probably unknown for a laugh. Huh No, I'm down for a

659
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,679
laugh. Sure, a laugh.
What do you mean no, I'm down.

660
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,320
I'm down to laugh with you.
Okay, yeah, no, sorry

661
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:12,559
interrupt, No, I just did
that it. You're too Yankee for me,

662
00:46:12,639 --> 00:46:15,199
dude, I'm too much of a
round you say, you say Yankee

663
00:46:15,199 --> 00:46:17,119
words. I don't know what you're
saying. Oh, okay, okay.

664
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,960
Have you been down to the South
much? I know you guys are touring.

665
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,039
Have you Have you done a lot
of Southern venues yet? Uh?

666
00:46:23,199 --> 00:46:27,119
No, not not yet, but
we're going to in a few weeks.

667
00:46:27,119 --> 00:46:30,320
We're gonna, we're gonna, we're
gonna do it up. We're gonna cross

668
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:35,599
the whole place. Had you been
to the South in the past ever?

669
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:37,480
Have you been down here yet?
Just a little, just a little bit

670
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:43,000
in Georgia and that's really it.
Uh yeah, not really anywhere else.

671
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,800
Did you guys live down here when
you were filming? Yeah? Yeah,

672
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:50,280
we were here for I guess like
a year or something around there, so

673
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,639
we gotta taste. We got a
taste of the environment. But that was

674
00:46:52,679 --> 00:46:55,880
Atlanta, So it's not you know, it's it's Atlanta. Yeah, it's

675
00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:00,559
different than the rest of the South. So did they put you up in

676
00:47:00,559 --> 00:47:02,000
a I always wondered about that,
Like, did you live in a like

677
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:06,079
apartment for a year or how does
that work? Oh? Yeah, yeah,

678
00:47:06,079 --> 00:47:08,480
we got it least out someplace.
I don't I don't recall if any

679
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,760
of the expenses were taken care of. I don't even remember those days.

680
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:15,199
But yeah, we yeah, yeah, there's we were lived in like different

681
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:20,960
not different areas, but in different
places. So to go back to a

682
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:25,079
wild days. Did you so you
guys are creating, you know, what

683
00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:30,119
would be probably one of the seminal
you know, comedy shows out there that

684
00:47:30,159 --> 00:47:32,719
would did you did you feel like
it might be that or did you guys

685
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,920
think of it like, oh,
this is our big shot, this is

686
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:37,719
a or did you think of it
as like it would it would that would

687
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,280
be a fun I think you could
argue it's a phenomena. I mean it's

688
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:45,159
like it is a comedic, you
know, cultural phenomena. I think you

689
00:47:45,159 --> 00:47:49,239
guys are game changers. You could
say, did you have a sense of

690
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,320
that at the time or did you
feel like, you know, it's just

691
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,840
our first big break or what was
your mindset at that time? Well,

692
00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:00,760
there's there's always a sense of of
just trying to do your and tried to

693
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,360
become the best you can and handle
handle like the pressure as best you can,

694
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,920
so that's it's like first and foremost
to handle that. It wasn't like

695
00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:12,039
any like hockeyness or afraid or anything
like that, but there there was the

696
00:48:12,159 --> 00:48:19,079
general It was a general feeling that
that we, yeah, that that are

697
00:48:19,559 --> 00:48:23,360
the way we were, had a
special a special vibe to it, that

698
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:27,960
that was just nice. You know. I think that was the general the

699
00:48:28,039 --> 00:48:31,719
general feeling. Did you feel like
as the season was, you know,

700
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:35,360
when you completed it, when it
was when it was rolling out and you

701
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,280
guys had good ratings, did you
expect there would be probably a season two?

702
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:42,280
And like, was it was that
pretty much in the bag early on

703
00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:46,000
or was it always oh yeah,
No, No, always just figured it

704
00:48:46,039 --> 00:48:51,480
just because of the strength of of
how good everyone did and how well it

705
00:48:51,519 --> 00:48:53,599
was handled. No, I just
figured that that there would be more action.

706
00:48:54,039 --> 00:48:58,840
But you know, things were things
were getting you know, the politics

707
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,760
and everything, know how everything turned
into like a just turned into a madhouse.

708
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:06,320
I was gonna say, it's a
wild time. Right around the time

709
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:10,719
when in everywhere else in culture we
started to see in in media like more

710
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:15,519
and more clamping down more and more. That was like canceling was really like

711
00:49:15,679 --> 00:49:22,000
ramping up, did you guys,
Yeah, examples were being made. Yeah,

712
00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:24,559
exactly did you feel like that was
coming for you or did you think

713
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:30,800
we'll we'll slide under the radar?
Well, you never, I guess you

714
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:37,800
never assume you're gonna slide past the
radar just because you never you never know

715
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:39,119
who's gonna have it in for you. You know, you just you just

716
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:44,159
can't calculate those things, So there's
just no way to know. So I

717
00:49:44,159 --> 00:49:47,039
guess you just have to try to
have faith, I guess. But yeah,

718
00:49:47,079 --> 00:49:53,800
no one ever really assumes that a
way to do something. Had you

719
00:49:53,800 --> 00:50:00,400
guys had any like pushback prior to
the canceling that made you think like maybe

720
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:06,320
that's a little too edgy, or
like, did you have any like controversial

721
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:12,000
sketches or anything that people said was
they went too far? I think it

722
00:50:12,039 --> 00:50:15,519
was just the usual. I don't
know. Yeah, nothing, Yeah,

723
00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:19,599
none of the I guess any sketches
that would be a big problem, I

724
00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:23,679
guess weren't aired. There has to
be some, but even so, they

725
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:29,880
I guess by people would really have
a problem, they probably would, But

726
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:36,280
no, nothing in the show really
felt was too controversial, So having been

727
00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:43,480
such a I would say early example
of cancelation. Like, what, looking

728
00:50:43,559 --> 00:50:46,400
back on that, do you feel
in a lot of ways vindicated, because

729
00:50:47,159 --> 00:50:51,079
I mean it's I'm not I'm not
saying it was good that you guys got

730
00:50:51,079 --> 00:50:54,639
canceled, But in the long run, it's almost like like now you guys

731
00:50:54,679 --> 00:51:01,400
are kind of like getting revenge via
you know, internet fame, infamy popularity

732
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:06,440
in a kind of a backwards route, you know what I mean. Sure,

733
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:08,280
Yeah, yeah, I guess that's
that's sort of that's sort of a

734
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:12,239
fun that's a fun way to look
at it. And yeah, it is.

735
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,800
It is nice. It is nice. But I think I think that

736
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,599
there's a feeling of gratitude, even
more of a victory lap. There's a

737
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,079
there's a gratitude of being even allowed
to exist. I think that that that

738
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:28,360
is just that is just in the
air at least if you have intelligence,

739
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,440
you know. So it's more of
it's more of like being happy that it's

740
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:35,119
happening, as opposed to like the
hell every with everyone that said, you

741
00:51:35,119 --> 00:51:37,159
know this is that you know what
I'm saying. But no, so it

742
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,760
is it is nice, It's really
it's fun. Yeah, I mean,

743
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,760
I'm happy to see you guys doing
well. I know you guys just finished

744
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:52,039
season two. Do you have any
any updates, any hot leaks, hot

745
00:51:52,119 --> 00:51:54,480
data that you could drop on us
in terms of In terms of that,

746
00:51:54,519 --> 00:52:00,719
how do you feel about your role
in season two? It was? It

747
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:04,519
was fun. It was wild to
get back in the saddle, So it

748
00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:07,440
was. It was a real good
a real good experience in a learning experience.

749
00:52:07,519 --> 00:52:09,719
Just to just to get back in
the saddle, it was I had

750
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:14,559
to just do it in a in
the best way possible. So, uh,

751
00:52:15,039 --> 00:52:16,639
it was. It was great.
It was fun, it was hard

752
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:20,960
and good. So that's how you
know it was great, and it was.

753
00:52:21,039 --> 00:52:23,760
It was a really good experience.
And I just it's just shocking.

754
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:30,159
It still shocks me that it happened. I'm still I'm still shocked by it,

755
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,280
you know, even after a while, I'm still shocked that it happened.

756
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,800
I'm grateful that it happened. And
it's really really a special a special

757
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:42,960
thing and a momentous thing. It
truly is. And I I think it's

758
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,280
gonna be out soon. It's gonna
be it's gonna be a matter of like

759
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:49,199
a handful of months or something like
that. So that's the last I heard.

760
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,679
Like long, do you think that
if you had done a season two,

761
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,679
if you had not gotten canceled back
then and done a season two,

762
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,119
do you feel like it would have
come out the way it's come out now?

763
00:53:00,199 --> 00:53:01,960
Or do you think that what all
you guys went through and then that

764
00:53:02,119 --> 00:53:09,760
time span between as it made it
better? H I It's definitely it's definitely

765
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:15,079
a lot different than would it than
what it would have been. Uh,

766
00:53:15,159 --> 00:53:19,960
And I think everyone has gotten better, So I can only say that the

767
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:27,039
many years in between season one and
two that everyone got better and uh,

768
00:53:27,079 --> 00:53:28,920
and who know, I mean,
who knows what it would have been like

769
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:34,199
back then. But it's it's kind
of it's good. It's good surviving years

770
00:53:34,199 --> 00:53:38,000
in comedy and and being better or
getting better instead of like going all the

771
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:42,519
way backwards or something like that.
So it's it's kind of like that.

772
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,599
You a last few couple questions here, and then we'll talk about your dates

773
00:53:47,639 --> 00:53:51,719
and where everybody can find you and
get your and get tickets to you guys's

774
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:59,639
upcoming events. I'm curious about your
creative personal process, like what what inspires

775
00:53:59,679 --> 00:54:04,800
you? Like how do you go
about getting inspired to come up with the

776
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,119
kind of zany you know, oddball
stuff that's your style, Like what is

777
00:54:08,199 --> 00:54:13,400
are there certain things that maybe music
like for me, like certain music it

778
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:17,159
triggers me, It gets me in
that mode, like what's your creative process,

779
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:24,599
my my process. I attribute it
to an obsession with notepaking and making

780
00:54:24,639 --> 00:54:32,679
sure that things that you find funny
are are remembered and somehow used. That's

781
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:38,280
I attribute it to the habit of
always having your eyes and ears open and

782
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:45,480
your mind open to funny things or
something that your brain could could pump out

783
00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:51,000
out of nowhere, like when you
miss here a word or a phrase that

784
00:54:51,079 --> 00:54:53,840
blows your mind what you heard instead, like if you have your mind in

785
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:59,599
the habit of making things funny,
perhaps like intentionally mishearing things, you get

786
00:54:59,639 --> 00:55:04,880
into the spirit of of finding funny
or generating funny. If you're in that

787
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,880
habit of always being open to it
and making sure you write it down,

788
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:12,920
that's what I That's what I know
it's from. Yeah, that's definitely.

789
00:55:14,679 --> 00:55:17,280
I always regret like all the times
I'd never I was too lazy to write

790
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:22,159
something down that was a really good
idea and then you end up forgetting it.

791
00:55:22,599 --> 00:55:24,440
I think we're created people. That's
a very important thing is to write

792
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:30,920
it down. Yeah, you can
get overwhelmed and inundated by nothing you can

793
00:55:30,079 --> 00:55:34,079
that does happen. So there's there's
also the other side of the of the

794
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,559
of the coin, but to not
to not catalog the stuff you think is

795
00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:42,440
funny like it does, I don't
know, just it builds a muscle when

796
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:44,960
when you write it down or you
try to remember it, you know,

797
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:50,159
it's like does something to you.
And I know we talked earlier about some

798
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:55,880
of the sketches and and and shows
that you found influential on you. Who

799
00:55:55,960 --> 00:56:00,719
are some of the people that you
think are like the funniest people? Like

800
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:02,840
who's the some of the best in
the game? Like who really? Who

801
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,840
do you like really think you want
to shoot for in terms of like I

802
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:12,639
want to be like that dude,
he's the funniest dude. Who's the funniest

803
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:25,960
dude or man? Who I like? Uh geez hmm. That's a that's

804
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,639
a hard question for me. And
it's not it's not because I don't like

805
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,960
people. It's just I'm trying.
I'm trying to have like a good answer

806
00:56:32,159 --> 00:56:39,840
that's like fun or something. Who
is damn who blew my mind back in

807
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:43,920
the Yeah, it could be somebody
like back in the day you were talking

808
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:51,400
about how how you thought Rick Moranis
was really good. Yeah, yeah,

809
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:55,159
for real. That's that's the best
example ever because by Blue having him and

810
00:56:55,199 --> 00:57:00,800
Steve Martin is something that I've watched
as a child and it pounded into me

811
00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:04,880
and some of the sc TV and
who knows whatever. You know, he

812
00:57:05,039 --> 00:57:07,719
Rick Moranis was you know, he
was an along those days. Yea,

813
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,519
my mom had that VHS of Yeah, heavn't. I watched that a bunch

814
00:57:10,559 --> 00:57:15,039
growing up. That's the That's one
of the best of the whole bunch.

815
00:57:15,079 --> 00:57:21,239
I mean people Rick Moranis used to
be utilized. Those were the best days.

816
00:57:21,599 --> 00:57:25,280
But I remember that like the Sam
Kinnison days. Uh, he probably

817
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,800
I'm sure he probably died maybe before
I was. I have no idea,

818
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,719
but I remember that being played on
on you know, like Comedy Central or

819
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:36,280
something. I always remembered it,
or remember my dad talked about him.

820
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,199
He's the guy was always screaming with
the hat on. Like. People like

821
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:42,679
that blew my mind way back in
the day. I wish I had some

822
00:57:42,719 --> 00:57:45,119
better answers though. Oh that's great. I mean I think people overlook,

823
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:50,519
uh Rick moranis I mean people most
people today like you. I mean,

824
00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:52,920
I know you know this, but
like most people today they don't know what

825
00:57:53,119 --> 00:57:57,800
SCTV is. They never heard this, right, So yeah, it's it's

826
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,840
a tragedy. It's like it's it. It's like it's disappearing, like it's

827
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:05,320
it's like it's nowhere, Like where
do you even get it? You can

828
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,840
find quite a few STTV skits on
YouTube, but like I just think like

829
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:12,519
everybody basically thirty and under has never
heard of STTV. They don't know where

830
00:58:12,559 --> 00:58:16,119
it is. So it's cool to
hear you bring it up. So yeah,

831
00:58:16,159 --> 00:58:20,760
he's really the best appreciated Charles.
I don't want to keep you over

832
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,440
an hour. Really glad to have
this chat with you. I've been wanting

833
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:27,559
to have this chat for for years, man, So I'm really thankful that

834
00:58:27,599 --> 00:58:31,760
you you say, thanks so much. Yeah, I've I've been wanting to

835
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:36,760
do it forever and I and it's
finally here. And this is only the

836
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:38,679
beginning, because I'll tell you,
because you know, there aren't many people

837
00:58:38,679 --> 00:58:45,079
that understand the reality of real war. So it's it's a good place sometimes

838
00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:47,800
it's a good place to go down
if if you ever, if you ever

839
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:51,320
wanted to but the literature everything,
it's always good to laugh with you.

840
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,119
I really appreciate you invite absolutely,
I'd like to chat against some ton.

841
00:58:54,199 --> 00:58:59,440
Now, tell everybody like the best
place for them to follow you know your

842
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,880
stuff. Don't know if it's Instagram
or your Twitch or like what they can

843
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:06,679
follow you on all those I'll have
all those link below, okay, here

844
00:59:06,719 --> 00:59:10,280
on the channel, and then tell
us your dates and upcoming events with you

845
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:15,760
and and Sam and Nick. Okay, sure, yeah, Well these these

846
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:20,159
can be found at sam hid live
dot com and these are the shows as

847
00:59:20,199 --> 00:59:23,400
they get put up here. And
we're we're off to Tampa, Florida on

848
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:30,239
May twelfth for a six and eight
thirty show, and then Boca Ratone,

849
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:34,719
Austin, Fort Worth, Los Angeles, or many nights in Los Angeles.

850
00:59:35,119 --> 00:59:37,440
It's crazy there, but I think
there's gonna be some more stuff added.

851
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:42,159
So that's that's where the tickets are. Sam hid live dot com is where

852
00:59:42,159 --> 00:59:45,400
you'll find the merry companions who are
we're gonna be hitting the road again real

853
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:50,159
soon and you can yeah, I'll
get I'll get my links to put them

854
00:59:50,159 --> 00:59:52,480
in the bottom there, but you
can. I got to change my names

855
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,199
on my channels, like it's now
it's embarrassing, like I'm like this,

856
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:58,079
oh man, I gotta spell out. I'm like, oh man, like

857
00:59:58,159 --> 01:00:00,599
I'm I just got to change it
to like I don't know, like I

858
01:00:00,639 --> 01:00:04,159
can't even say the word that I
would change my own channel to if I

859
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,079
could, you know, But I'm
at, yeah, it's yeah, there's

860
01:00:07,079 --> 01:00:13,159
some famous words. I would change
it to the famous th n W already

861
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,519
the N word is the new channel. Yeah, that's me, that's me.

862
01:00:16,679 --> 01:00:22,199
But I'm on YouTube at Charles carol
One Numeral one Charles with at THEE

863
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:25,519
do the Palace every Sunday with the
CEO, Eric Hayden, and I do

864
01:00:25,599 --> 01:00:29,719
some real bizarre solo streaming on there. Sometimes we get some games. Sometimes

865
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,199
we go through rabbit holes. But
I got a gum road going that's got

866
01:00:32,199 --> 01:00:37,000
the archives on there and some crazy
stuff that like some audio plays that I'm

867
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,800
putting together, just trying to just
trying to be all I can be after

868
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:44,639
all these blasted years, you know
how it is. Yeah, No,

869
01:00:44,719 --> 01:00:49,320
I've had to go through being canceled
and censored and demonetized all that I'm my

870
01:00:49,559 --> 01:00:53,480
entire website and means of income deleted
in twenty eighteen, so yeah, I

871
01:00:53,519 --> 01:00:57,320
know what that's like. Perfect.
And by the way, y'all have all

872
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:00,880
those links here below, so guys, if you're watching, check that out

873
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:05,400
down below. And yeah, I
bought tickets I think to the Tampa event,

874
01:01:05,519 --> 01:01:07,440
So be cool to say, how
do you In person? I'll say,

875
01:01:07,519 --> 01:01:12,039
oh nice, I'm looking forward to
Yeah, hell yeah, it's gonna

876
01:01:12,079 --> 01:01:15,599
be crazy. Everyone's getting so good
and having some like getting loose on stage

877
01:01:15,679 --> 01:01:19,760
learning it's it's so nice. Word
awesome. Well, thank you so much,

878
01:01:20,159 --> 01:01:23,880
Charles, appreciate you sticking a whole
hour with me, and uh yeah,

879
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:30,840
God bless you, and uh I
hope your hope your your stand up

880
01:01:30,079 --> 01:01:36,119
venues are sold out out the wazoo. Hell yes, thanks a lot,

881
01:01:36,239 --> 01:01:38,599
Jay, thanks, thanks for the
luck wish and God bless you as well.

882
01:01:38,639 --> 01:01:43,000
And I'm I'm down anytime. Let's
let's make it so okay man. Thanks