WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:23.359 M he was cold, cold, he was cold. Mine. What's going 2 00:00:23.399 --> 00:00:31.160 on up there? Could be the most important event in history? Now I 3 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:40.920 am the cold and destroy our worlds, I said. I hope this is 4 00:00:41.159 --> 00:01:03.319 close to hill. It's all ever again. Hello and welcome to the Details 5 00:01:03.319 --> 00:01:06.400 from the Dark Podcast. I'm your host, Bob. You're with my co 6 00:01:06.480 --> 00:01:08.280 host Brittany. Hey, guys, what's up Brittany? How's it going this 7 00:01:08.319 --> 00:01:11.000 morning? It's going pretty good. How are you? Oh, it's going 8 00:01:11.159 --> 00:01:15.519 well. Um, you know, just kind of vibing. We're back back 9 00:01:15.519 --> 00:01:19.760 to the you know, the good old Monday through Friday job and home from 10 00:01:19.799 --> 00:01:23.359 vacation and trying to readapt to being an adult again. That's fair, that's 11 00:01:23.359 --> 00:01:26.680 a fair statement. Actually. I kind of just still wish I was drinking 12 00:01:26.719 --> 00:01:30.040 butter beer standing outside of Green Goots at Harry Potter World in Florida. But 13 00:01:30.120 --> 00:01:34.799 you know, at least it's been a mild couple of days, hasn't been 14 00:01:34.879 --> 00:01:40.280 freezing cold? Yeah. Can can we talk about that for a second because 15 00:01:40.280 --> 00:01:44.159 it kind of goes into today's topic a little bit that we're gonna talk about. 16 00:01:45.159 --> 00:01:49.120 Where did this fifty five and sixty degree fucking January weather come from? 17 00:01:49.760 --> 00:01:53.840 Warming. I don't know. I can't remember it ever being this warm in 18 00:01:53.920 --> 00:01:57.519 Ohio and January. Well, I didn't grow up in Ohio, so I 19 00:01:57.560 --> 00:02:01.359 don't know. Well, what were Junie worries like? In North Carolina? 20 00:02:01.439 --> 00:02:05.599 Was it ever warm like this? It depends. We had a lot of 21 00:02:05.840 --> 00:02:10.120 rain. It was rain and snow, but very rarely do we get more 22 00:02:10.120 --> 00:02:14.400 than like a couple inches. Gotcha. Yeah, I don't know. I 23 00:02:14.439 --> 00:02:16.879 don't know what to make of this. I'm not I'm not super happy because 24 00:02:16.919 --> 00:02:21.240 I feel like the other shoe's gonna drop and it's like all the sudden, 25 00:02:21.520 --> 00:02:24.120 Mother Nature is going to remember its winner and then all hell's going to break 26 00:02:24.159 --> 00:02:28.479 loose. Basically, I don't know what can you do though, So kind 27 00:02:28.479 --> 00:02:34.479 of talking about today's topic, what got me on the military operations idea was? 28 00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:38.080 I was, do you ever like scroll through like your YouTube shorts and 29 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:42.400 you get like Joe Rogan clips? Yes, in ninety nine percent of the 30 00:02:42.439 --> 00:02:46.520 time they're not even posted by Joe Rogan at somebody else posting like little snippets 31 00:02:46.520 --> 00:02:49.479 of information. Yeah. Well he had an author on who was talking about 32 00:02:49.479 --> 00:02:52.879 Operation paper Clip. Are you familiar? I know we've kind of like touched 33 00:02:52.879 --> 00:02:54.639 on Operation paper Clip. We'd never really talked about it. Yeah, I 34 00:02:54.639 --> 00:03:00.039 did a good amount of research into Operation paper Clip because we were going to 35 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:01.800 do an episode. But it is, it's fun if it's a lot, 36 00:03:01.840 --> 00:03:05.319 So if you guys are unfamiliar, this is kind of like a brief synopsis. 37 00:03:05.919 --> 00:03:09.919 Operation Paperclip was a secret US intelligence program in which more than sixteen hundred 38 00:03:09.919 --> 00:03:15.960 German scientists, engineers, and technicians were taken from the former Nazi Germany to 39 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:21.400 the US for government employment at the end of World War Two. So basically 40 00:03:21.439 --> 00:03:25.360 what happened was the World War Two ended, we decided that these people were 41 00:03:25.439 --> 00:03:30.879 two mix powers. Yeah, they had certain people that were too important scientifically 42 00:03:30.879 --> 00:03:36.280 for the scientific community to just let rotten prison or to put down, so 43 00:03:36.319 --> 00:03:38.919 they brought them over here and they gave them jomps, and including the head 44 00:03:38.919 --> 00:03:43.560 of NASA. Yeah, you know, Warner von Brahm was attached to us 45 00:03:43.599 --> 00:03:50.240 that there's there's a lot of It's terrifying because I didn't know. I didn't 46 00:03:50.280 --> 00:03:53.719 learn about any of this until college, and they kind of like briefly summarized 47 00:03:53.759 --> 00:03:58.800 it when I was in college, and it wasn't until I don't know, 48 00:03:58.800 --> 00:04:01.120 a year or two ago, Drew Rogan had that author on and I listened 49 00:04:01.120 --> 00:04:04.159 to her and she wrote a book I can't remember the name of the book 50 00:04:04.199 --> 00:04:08.319 about Operation Paperclip, and then she kind of blew the lid off of a 51 00:04:08.319 --> 00:04:14.080 lot of the classified documents, and I don't know it. It's kind of 52 00:04:14.120 --> 00:04:19.000 fucking scary to know how much of modern Western culture has been influenced by the 53 00:04:19.120 --> 00:04:23.399 Nazis. Yeah, and built on the backs of the Nazis. Yeah. 54 00:04:23.439 --> 00:04:26.399 Well, and it's weird because you and I were talking and you said you'd 55 00:04:26.399 --> 00:04:30.240 love to watch a movie or a show that's like what if the Nazis had 56 00:04:30.279 --> 00:04:32.519 won the war? Not not that you wanted the Nazis, and just what 57 00:04:32.519 --> 00:04:35.079 what would the world look like? Yeah, and I think it was was 58 00:04:35.079 --> 00:04:40.120 it? Amazon has a series about just that. Yeah, it was only 59 00:04:40.199 --> 00:04:44.399 up for one season and it was I think it was produced in twenty seventeen, 60 00:04:44.480 --> 00:04:46.920 So that's not going to have a second season. Yeah, So I 61 00:04:46.959 --> 00:04:50.040 think that's why we didn't watch it. But these scenarios, it's it's always 62 00:04:50.079 --> 00:04:55.560 interesting to me to sit and think about what if. I think that's one 63 00:04:55.560 --> 00:04:58.279 of the reasons why I like fall Out so much, because it's always a 64 00:04:58.279 --> 00:05:02.160 what if scenario like this could be what the future turns into, you know 65 00:05:02.199 --> 00:05:06.399 what I mean? Well side, I saw this Fallout meme that just I 66 00:05:06.439 --> 00:05:10.240 reached my seat. I fucking laugh. It's like, you know, Fallout 67 00:05:10.279 --> 00:05:13.360 New Vegas was the most historically accurate of all the Fallout games, because, 68 00:05:13.399 --> 00:05:17.600 as we know, if you're in a damned civilization in the desert, humanity 69 00:05:17.600 --> 00:05:21.800 will heal itself and return to its core ancestral traits, which is cowboys. 70 00:05:25.079 --> 00:05:29.959 And I never thought about how hilarious that was, Like there was a nuclear 71 00:05:30.040 --> 00:05:33.000 disaster in the Mojave Desert and we all just decided to fuck it, We're 72 00:05:33.040 --> 00:05:38.720 cowboys again. Wild boy, We're going back to cowboys. And I just 73 00:05:38.839 --> 00:05:43.839 I wonder how many great resets we have until we go back to cowboys. 74 00:05:43.839 --> 00:05:46.319 Probably one more. I didn't mean to interrupt you, but you said fall 75 00:05:46.360 --> 00:05:48.560 Out. I'm like Cowboys, Cowboys, Cowboys. Yeah no, but these 76 00:05:48.600 --> 00:05:54.079 scenarios are always very interesting to me to just kind of theorize and think about. 77 00:05:54.360 --> 00:05:58.600 So, I I don't know, I'm glad the Nazis didn't win, 78 00:05:58.639 --> 00:06:00.240 though, yeah, I mean, big same. And I know some people 79 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:02.560 are gonna ask, hey, why don't you guys talking about MK ultra today. 80 00:06:02.600 --> 00:06:04.800 So the reason we're not covering MK Ultra, We're gonna do that over 81 00:06:04.879 --> 00:06:11.560 on Patreon this week because the deeper you get into m k ultra. Everyone 82 00:06:11.639 --> 00:06:15.360 kind of understands the mind control aspect of MK ultra, but it gets a 83 00:06:15.399 --> 00:06:20.360 lot deeper. It involves children, there's a lot of sex crimes that were 84 00:06:20.399 --> 00:06:25.639 involved. You have the manson murders that get intertwined. It's a very strange 85 00:06:25.759 --> 00:06:27.920 thing, and I don't feel like we can like, I don't feel like 86 00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:30.879 it cannot be anything but a forbidden episode when you go deep, deep enough 87 00:06:30.920 --> 00:06:34.439 down that rabbit hole. No, I completely agree. But let me tell 88 00:06:34.439 --> 00:06:39.680 you about some of these operations that I kind of unearthed, so I was 89 00:06:39.839 --> 00:06:44.560 unaware of how many there actually were. And you have to be very careful 90 00:06:44.639 --> 00:06:50.319 because the Internet has a way of kind of making making shit up. Well, 91 00:06:50.319 --> 00:06:56.720 one thing I've noticed is one operation will have a bunch of different code 92 00:06:56.800 --> 00:06:59.839 names, and so a lot of the articles I would I was saying, 93 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:05.800 would say that Operation paper clip was actually Operation pencil, and Operation pencil did 94 00:07:05.839 --> 00:07:12.160 this, and then Operation paper holder did this. It's so it's it's hard 95 00:07:12.199 --> 00:07:15.279 to get the straight facts, but I think it's designed that way too. 96 00:07:15.319 --> 00:07:17.959 Oh. Absolutely, it's it's meant so if there were there was ever a 97 00:07:18.040 --> 00:07:20.439 leak, we can say, oh no, well that was you know, 98 00:07:20.480 --> 00:07:25.959 only Operation pencil Holder. But Operation paper Clip was was a much nicer version 99 00:07:25.959 --> 00:07:28.600 of this. When an actuality, it's the exact same thing. Yeah, 100 00:07:28.639 --> 00:07:30.680 And I know there's some historians disagree with me, but I can tell you 101 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:35.759 from experience that going down the conspiracy rabbit holes, I've I've went down there, 102 00:07:36.319 --> 00:07:43.040 there have been name changes because the director in charge decided, oh I 103 00:07:43.079 --> 00:07:46.439 had a dream and this fits better. And that's the official reasoning for why 104 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:49.399 there was a name change. And I don't buy that. I'm sorry, 105 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:54.480 I just don't. And the thing about the Internet is the Internet has a 106 00:07:54.519 --> 00:07:57.879 way, especially when FOYO became a thing. Foya is the Freedom Information Act, 107 00:07:58.279 --> 00:08:00.839 When that became a thing, and a lot of these documents started hitting 108 00:08:00.839 --> 00:08:03.360 the Internet. Then, especially during the days of wiki leaks, the Internet 109 00:08:03.399 --> 00:08:11.560 started naming certain articles that were pulled from these data mind leaks and giving them 110 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:16.000 their own quote unquote operation names. So the Internet has their own operations that 111 00:08:16.040 --> 00:08:20.839 were never official CIA or Free Letter Agency operations. Yeah, and in a 112 00:08:20.839 --> 00:08:24.160 lot of these cases. And you have to be very careful because I've caught 113 00:08:24.199 --> 00:08:28.519 other podcasts doing this and it's I understand it's completely by accident, but they 114 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:31.759 will speak as if these occurred. And a lot of the things, especially 115 00:08:31.759 --> 00:08:35.360 when it came to the Wiki leaks stuff, it was theoretical. Yeah, 116 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:37.720 it was all theoretical. It was never put into practice that we know of. 117 00:08:39.080 --> 00:08:41.799 But the thing is, you know, some people are gonna say, 118 00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:45.000 oh, babble, Deep States, just getting you. It was all done. 119 00:08:45.480 --> 00:08:48.759 Now, a lot of this stuff was just theorized and then it was 120 00:08:48.879 --> 00:08:52.919 documented. And again people on Reddit specifically, we'll say, well, they 121 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:56.679 wouldn't document if you didn't really do it. Well, now I add about 122 00:08:56.679 --> 00:09:00.559 Area fifty one for a second. I found out I can't remember what the 123 00:09:00.559 --> 00:09:03.919 program was, but George Knapp and Jeremy Corbell were doing an interview and I 124 00:09:03.919 --> 00:09:07.679 don't think it was Rogan, it was somebody else, and they said, 125 00:09:07.720 --> 00:09:11.159 the reason that it's so hard to get any true information on Area fifty one, 126 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:13.159 for example, is everything is classified. Or it might have been one 127 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:16.519 of their documentaries that he did. Everything is classified. They can't even tell 128 00:09:16.519 --> 00:09:22.360 you what they had for lunch because it's classified. And if Area fifty one 129 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:28.080 is that has that level of classification, I don't really know. It's kind 130 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:33.080 of tough because all that documentation is sitting somewhere in some database. So when 131 00:09:33.080 --> 00:09:39.120 it gets leaked, I could totally see someone grasping at nothing because of how 132 00:09:39.559 --> 00:09:45.320 like how overboard they went with classification. And there was recently a right Pad 133 00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:50.120 league and Matthew Birds sent me one and there was a second one done and 134 00:09:50.240 --> 00:09:52.919 it's I read through the league and I was going to do a whole right 135 00:09:52.960 --> 00:09:54.799 Pad episode and we still might do another Right Patterson episode. What we did 136 00:09:54.840 --> 00:09:58.720 that a couple of years ago. That was one of our early episodes. 137 00:10:00.360 --> 00:10:03.320 A lot of the stuff there was classified, especially in the early days, 138 00:10:03.679 --> 00:10:07.799 and when you actually go through and you start to decode some of the stuff, 139 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:11.639 it's not impressive. It's like the build. You know, we were 140 00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:16.559 building an air hanger and we classified the patent of the building, and yet 141 00:10:16.720 --> 00:10:18.679 you'll look at that patent ID and you'll find someone on Reddit saying, hey, 142 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:22.080 I just unheard that on Earth this and Wright Patterson this is where they 143 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:26.120 held the aliens, And it's like, no, that's an actively used hangar 144 00:10:26.440 --> 00:10:31.240 that's on Google images, Like, it's not actually that crazy, and so 145 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:37.159 you get really you can get in the weeds very quickly doing these types of 146 00:10:37.159 --> 00:10:41.120 research projects. When it comes to any of these like quote unquote secret US 147 00:10:41.200 --> 00:10:45.080 operations, well, that's one of the things that hasn't really talked about a 148 00:10:45.120 --> 00:10:48.679 lot, is the fact that, I mean every it is a bunch of 149 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:52.279 paper pushing when it comes to a lot of these operations and a lot of 150 00:10:52.279 --> 00:10:58.360 these quote unquote declassified documents. I mean it's like you said, it's not 151 00:10:58.399 --> 00:11:03.440 even just for Area fifty one. Everything is documented. Even the CIA when 152 00:11:03.399 --> 00:11:07.799 they were talking about I'm not gonna say his name, but the guy who 153 00:11:07.840 --> 00:11:13.320 was supposed to organize everything into a digital database. Yes, I don't know 154 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:16.240 why. Uh, like they didn't even know half the things that they had 155 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:20.159 in their own database. Yeah. That when we when we were like going 156 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:26.360 deep into that conversation, I was floored when he was unearthing and kind of 157 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:30.720 saying, like pulling the curtain back on how little they knew about their own 158 00:11:30.759 --> 00:11:33.840 operations. Yeah, and then there's nothing. I've met a few guys over 159 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:37.879 the years who have been retired FBI agents, A retired dam there is a 160 00:11:39.279 --> 00:11:41.320 because I'm kind of used to, like, the whole Army makes fun of 161 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:45.080 the Navy, and the Navy gets made fun of by the Navy, an 162 00:11:45.159 --> 00:11:48.919 air Force, and Marines. I'm used to that. Yeah, but these 163 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:54.799 agencies are in such a competition for funding they classify stuff against one another. 164 00:11:56.279 --> 00:12:01.600 Yeah, and Kennedy assassination is a prime example of that. Someone asked me 165 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:03.759 over on Facebook, Hey, what do you what do you think is going 166 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:07.240 to come out of these, uh, the new JFK files. I don't 167 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:09.000 think we're gonna get them anytime soon. I think, similar to the last 168 00:12:09.039 --> 00:12:11.960 two administrations, they're just going to push it back again. Yeah, I 169 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:16.519 was gonna say, isn't that the whole file system that they've been pushing out 170 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:18.440 for literal decades? It keeps getting pushed back, and I think that anything 171 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:22.720 we get fed um, because what's weird is all the players, the major 172 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:26.559 players to my and I could be wrong, I might be missed quoting, 173 00:12:26.559 --> 00:12:28.720 but I'm pretty sure all like the major players in the conspiracy are all gone 174 00:12:28.759 --> 00:12:31.840 now, like they're all dead. So I don't really know at this point, 175 00:12:31.840 --> 00:12:37.440 with the exception of there's something in there that they don't want the public 176 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:41.159 to know. Yeah, that could that could be a like a source or 177 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:46.519 the reason for some fucking anarchy. My theory is that's exactly why they're pushing 178 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:50.919 it back. And each president doesn't want to be in that administration when that 179 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:54.679 hell breaks loose one hundred percent, because I mean, you know, there's 180 00:12:54.720 --> 00:13:00.320 nothing better for reelection than a wartime president, and there's nothing worse and being 181 00:13:00.360 --> 00:13:01.919 the sitting president who says, hey, we killed one of the most popular 182 00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:07.519 presidents in US history. And again, I'm not if that's the case. 183 00:13:07.559 --> 00:13:09.919 Well, like I said in the episode, I'm not. I'm not in 184 00:13:09.039 --> 00:13:13.399 any any major camp specifically. But do I think the US had some hand 185 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:18.240 and something. Yes, I do, But that's about as far as that 186 00:13:18.279 --> 00:13:20.679 I've gotten down that rabbit hole. And you know, I think we did 187 00:13:20.679 --> 00:13:24.600 like a two hour episode and we were still I think I started like fifteen 188 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:30.039 articles to go. Yeah, that was a deep, deep run we did 189 00:13:30.080 --> 00:13:33.279 there. And it's so weird because that's one of the ones that, like, 190 00:13:33.360 --> 00:13:37.759 I think that's everyone's first conspiracy theory, and yet there were so many 191 00:13:37.840 --> 00:13:43.559 unknowns in twenty twenty two and we covered it that I could not fucking believe 192 00:13:45.799 --> 00:13:50.120 that there are there's so many different camps on who actually did what, and 193 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:54.759 it's bizarre because all these camps are arguing with one another versus arguing to find 194 00:13:54.759 --> 00:13:58.360 the truth. And we saw that in a lot of this research that we 195 00:13:58.399 --> 00:14:01.519 did. So I want to talk about Operation Bulldog first, or have you 196 00:14:01.559 --> 00:14:05.360 heard of Operation Bulldog? No? Not at all? Okay, So some 197 00:14:05.440 --> 00:14:07.600 of these are US, some of these are UK, some of these are 198 00:14:07.639 --> 00:14:11.200 gonna be Russia. This is all over the place. It's just government operations 199 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:13.960 in general. But one thing I will say, from doing research for as 200 00:14:15.000 --> 00:14:16.879 long as I have with this kind of stuff, just because it was headed 201 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:22.240 by the UK government doesn't mean the US government wasn't involved, or vice versa. 202 00:14:22.279 --> 00:14:26.360 And there's gonna be an overarching theme in this episode that if you ever 203 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:30.879 think that your government wouldn't do that, yes they would. That's that's the 204 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:35.399 I'm sorry, but that's the lesson to be learned. I mean, am 205 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:37.559 I wrong? No? No, you're not. Okay. So Operation Bulldog 206 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:41.440 was held in September of nineteen forty nine, was overseen by the UK's Fighter 207 00:14:41.480 --> 00:14:46.240 Command and Bomber Command, and it was a show of strength to the Soviets. 208 00:14:46.840 --> 00:14:50.399 It demonstrated that the West could take swift and decisive action and the events 209 00:14:50.440 --> 00:14:54.759 that Russia that Russians flex their muscles a bit too much, and for good 210 00:14:54.799 --> 00:14:58.639 measure. The operation also involved the air air forces of the US, Belgium, 211 00:14:58.639 --> 00:15:03.320 France and Holland. The Soviets took careful and concerned notice, which was 212 00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:07.279 the whole point. It appears was not just the Russians that kept a BDI 213 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:13.000 on military maneuvers, but just possibly entities for another world did as well. 214 00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:18.200 So this is one of them that has like a UFO crossover. Yeah, 215 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:20.639 and we've talked about this a lot, because I know some people are gonna 216 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:24.840 say, you, you know, you probably shouldn't bring UFOs into these conversations, 217 00:15:24.879 --> 00:15:30.759 but we have. We have brought on this show multiple incidents instances I'm 218 00:15:30.799 --> 00:15:35.639 sorry, of UFOs flying over nuclear power plants or involving themselves in some sort 219 00:15:35.639 --> 00:15:43.320 of military operation or a conflict. So with this or natural disasters or unnatural 220 00:15:43.360 --> 00:15:46.600 disasters, human cause disasters like Chernobyl. Yeah, so with this being a 221 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:52.639 show of force, I'm not shocked that there was a UFO connection at all. 222 00:15:52.840 --> 00:15:54.840 Yeah. So, at the time Bulldog was held the late JR. 223 00:15:54.879 --> 00:16:00.440 Oliver was radar operator as at a British Royal Air Force base called Saich what 224 00:16:02.039 --> 00:16:06.000 it was called Sandwich Okay, which was situated in the English country of Kent. 225 00:16:06.559 --> 00:16:08.679 Oliver said, this is a quote. Even so long ago, it 226 00:16:08.759 --> 00:16:12.919 was almost impossible to fly a glider across the English Channel without it being plotted. 227 00:16:14.440 --> 00:16:18.320 The exercise was structured in such a way that the technical resources and personnel 228 00:16:18.759 --> 00:16:22.000 of the defensive screen were stretched to the absolute limit. So what was interesting 229 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:29.279 is I looked up the US variant of Bulldog and they put a lot of 230 00:16:29.440 --> 00:16:33.519 time, effort, money and resources into this. Like there's quite a few 231 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:37.759 people who think that this wasn't just for the Soviets, but it was because 232 00:16:37.799 --> 00:16:41.879 there was a potential UFO threat that we were trying to show like, hey, 233 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:45.279 we're not we're not to be trifled with. We will fuck you up 234 00:16:45.320 --> 00:16:48.080 if you come down here. I still don't understand like the thought process spelling 235 00:16:48.159 --> 00:16:52.399 that, but you gotta try, well, you gotta think at forty nine, 236 00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:56.200 I mean this is the time where world conflicts were one after the next 237 00:16:56.240 --> 00:17:00.240 time. And when I say world conflicts, I mean global conflicts that could 238 00:17:00.279 --> 00:17:07.039 potentially have a catastrophic end for our entire planet. I could understand seeing lights 239 00:17:07.039 --> 00:17:08.799 in the sky, or seeing a craft, or going even deeper down that 240 00:17:08.880 --> 00:17:11.799 rabbit hole saying, hey, we have to show them that we're gonna fight 241 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:15.480 back, and you know, you gotta go back to that Little Dickey song 242 00:17:17.480 --> 00:17:21.160 where he's you know what is it's the ten minutes It's like ten minutes long. 243 00:17:21.160 --> 00:17:23.880 What is the name of that freaking song? Pillow Talk? Is it? 244 00:17:25.240 --> 00:17:27.640 No? Is it pillow talk? Yeah? Where he you know, 245 00:17:27.680 --> 00:17:33.240 he brings a girl home from the bar whose brothers in the army? Yeah, 246 00:17:33.279 --> 00:17:37.240 like or what did you just another conflict like that. That's kind of 247 00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:41.960 what I think happened here was the you know, it was a Little Dickey 248 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:44.440 type of situation. Yeah, like, hey, Earth goes hard, Earth 249 00:17:44.480 --> 00:17:48.000 goes hard. They're trying. There's like four people in the entire listening base, 250 00:17:48.079 --> 00:17:49.200 you know what we're talking about now and there, and they are laughing 251 00:17:49.359 --> 00:17:56.319 hysterically. Anyway. Oliver added that the staff of RAF Sandwich we're fully skilled 252 00:17:56.359 --> 00:18:00.279 and right on the top of their job. Two watches were kept a mb 253 00:18:00.440 --> 00:18:03.960 on alternate twelve hour shifts for the duration of Bulldog. According to Aliver, 254 00:18:04.039 --> 00:18:08.039 on one particular night, around midnight, things had gone slack and as group 255 00:18:08.119 --> 00:18:11.240 was told it could take a break. It was a break that didn't last 256 00:18:11.279 --> 00:18:15.720 for long. As Oliver noted the following. Also, the US Air Force 257 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:21.839 in this they put their best and brightest on this operation, like it was 258 00:18:22.960 --> 00:18:26.759 very serious. Why would you sacrifice them? Yeah, I mean they were 259 00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:30.000 like ready to go for the sake of a quote unquote show of strength against 260 00:18:30.039 --> 00:18:33.680 the Soviets, which again I'm not saying wasn't warranted at the time, but 261 00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:37.920 I'm saying it does strike me as odd to have all of your special operators 262 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:44.559 on one singular project. Yeah. So within about fifteen minutes, the PBX 263 00:18:44.599 --> 00:18:48.759 operator came in approached by the debt Our duty controller and it was advised that 264 00:18:48.319 --> 00:18:52.920 beachy Head radar was passing a plot to us at a large flying object and 265 00:18:53.160 --> 00:18:57.079 would we track it. They did exactly that. It became very clear and 266 00:18:57.200 --> 00:19:02.880 very quickly that this was no ordinary aircraft. Oliver were called. Reaching a 267 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:06.960 position out to the sea of the Heel of Kent and abruptly turned north and 268 00:19:07.079 --> 00:19:11.480 as it approached the Thames or Thames thha Ms Estuary, we passed it onto 269 00:19:11.519 --> 00:19:18.519 the Martlesome radar with whom we had been in contact. So basically it had 270 00:19:18.519 --> 00:19:21.720 gotten too far away from radar system A and they passed it on a radar 271 00:19:21.759 --> 00:19:25.079 system B. That's the easy way to kind of put this up. Oliver 272 00:19:25.160 --> 00:19:29.000 offered something remarkable, flying it close to fifty thousand feet. The air speed 273 00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:33.039 of the object we'd observed and plotted in accordance with RAF standard procedures was assessed 274 00:19:33.079 --> 00:19:38.160 at very nearly three thousand miles per hour. Holy shit. The general consensus 275 00:19:38.200 --> 00:19:44.119 regarding its size among the very best experienced radar personnel engaged in the operations was 276 00:19:44.160 --> 00:19:47.640 that the object had offered an echo similar to that of a large passenger or 277 00:19:47.680 --> 00:19:52.880 freight surface vessel, something in the region of fifteen thousand or twenty thousand tons. 278 00:19:52.880 --> 00:19:56.000 In a typical British understatement, Oliver said, there was quite a bit 279 00:19:56.000 --> 00:20:00.880 of buzz about this, so kind of looked into this a little more and 280 00:20:02.039 --> 00:20:07.079 this craft it was with so these radar systems were considered state of the art 281 00:20:07.119 --> 00:20:11.240 at the time, like this was the best of the best radar and this 282 00:20:11.359 --> 00:20:18.079 craft was so large and was moving so quickly. Our cutting edge edge technology 283 00:20:18.079 --> 00:20:22.440 at the time, and the British cutting edge technology of this radar system could 284 00:20:22.480 --> 00:20:27.759 barely keep up with this craft. It was that fast. Then something curious 285 00:20:27.799 --> 00:20:32.680 happened, as Oliver noted, at our usual relief time b watch stood down 286 00:20:32.720 --> 00:20:36.000 and went to breakfast in bed at the domestic site of the Stoner House. 287 00:20:36.759 --> 00:20:40.519 We were awakening from our watch Sumbers by Sergeant Platt and assembled in front of 288 00:20:40.519 --> 00:20:47.119 the Stoner House with our Sergeant Belcher, Sergeant Hatter and various minor NCOs for 289 00:20:47.160 --> 00:20:49.880 an and then they had an addressed by Squadron Leader Monday. Here minded of 290 00:20:49.920 --> 00:20:52.920 us of our duties as serving members of the RAF and the requirements of the 291 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:56.799 OSA, which is the Official Secrets Act, and to forget especially the odd 292 00:20:56.799 --> 00:21:00.799 occurrences of the past night, and not to mention to anyone not connected with 293 00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:07.160 the RAF that has the same special clearance. So again it's they. The 294 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:11.519 guy did another interview at one point and said that this was a polite threat, 295 00:21:12.359 --> 00:21:17.559 saying you run oath. You do not talk about this. Yeah, 296 00:21:17.599 --> 00:21:22.160 if you do, because back then and someone can correct me if I'm wrong. 297 00:21:22.200 --> 00:21:25.519 But I know here in the US you just ended up with life in 298 00:21:25.519 --> 00:21:29.480 prison. Like there were certain times that if you disrupted your clearance and you 299 00:21:29.480 --> 00:21:32.440 went public or something like this. You just went to jail and you were 300 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:36.519 never seen or heard from again. Oh my god. So they took this 301 00:21:36.680 --> 00:21:41.240 incredibly serious. But that was not all going on watch that you didn't be 302 00:21:41.240 --> 00:21:45.160 found out that duty watch block, I'm sorry. Duty watch book normally only 303 00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:49.759 replaced completely full which recorded every air engagement, every message, every official order 304 00:21:49.799 --> 00:21:55.960 by the watchkeeping officer, every break, every meal, and every person that 305 00:21:56.079 --> 00:22:00.279 entered next to the building, along with when they did made during every official 306 00:22:00.319 --> 00:22:04.160 part of the previous watches, including all the Knights activities, had gone. 307 00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:10.160 It was replaced by a brand new, shining duty watchbook. No one knows 308 00:22:10.160 --> 00:22:12.480 to this day where that book went. Oliver added, the rest of the 309 00:22:12.519 --> 00:22:15.920 exercise took its natural course, and about a month later my service with the 310 00:22:17.039 --> 00:22:19.759 RF ended. He also noted it as highly likely that a good many people 311 00:22:19.839 --> 00:22:23.839 must have gained knowledge of this occurrence, and therefore proof of it happening may 312 00:22:23.839 --> 00:22:29.559 not be too far and hiding. So the article pretty much ends itself by 313 00:22:29.640 --> 00:22:33.079 saying that you would think with this many folks being involved, that there will 314 00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:38.839 be some sort of documentation that came out to support this or what have you. 315 00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:42.599 But it hasn't. And then on the US side work it's even more 316 00:22:42.640 --> 00:22:49.839 interesting is there are some conflicting reports that there was a large object that appeared 317 00:22:49.839 --> 00:22:56.079 on our radar as well off the coast of California and all wait, and 318 00:22:56.240 --> 00:23:00.759 we across to the UK. No one knows. So there are some uthologists 319 00:23:00.759 --> 00:23:04.640 who think that this was the first like we're quote unquote recorded incidents of a 320 00:23:04.759 --> 00:23:08.599 teleporting craft. But then there's others that say, no, these were two 321 00:23:08.680 --> 00:23:12.799 giant shows of force and these were different crafts coming down to kind of say 322 00:23:12.839 --> 00:23:15.880 like, hey, chill out. You know us, you're superpower. UK's 323 00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:18.640 a superpower. We're gonna let you know that we can be in both places 324 00:23:18.680 --> 00:23:23.000 at once, fucking stop. So it's it's kind of a weird one because 325 00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:27.559 again, it when you kind of looked further into what was the point of 326 00:23:27.599 --> 00:23:32.640 this, it seemed like a lot to just show Russia, hey, we 327 00:23:32.680 --> 00:23:36.480 can respond and fuck you up if we choose to. Yeah, that seems 328 00:23:36.559 --> 00:23:40.160 very excessive. Yeah, and it just it doesn't really make sense to me 329 00:23:40.240 --> 00:23:42.480 that that's the route that we would go. And in the UK, of 330 00:23:42.519 --> 00:23:45.400 all places, like I get the UK is definitely closer than the US, 331 00:23:45.559 --> 00:23:51.799 But like I said, it's like it almost seems like sacrificial to put those 332 00:23:51.880 --> 00:23:56.359 kinds of high level special operators in a different country that you really don't have 333 00:23:56.400 --> 00:24:00.279 control over. Well no, no, so it's the US state at home. 334 00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:03.200 The UK stayed at home. They were just doing like a weird show 335 00:24:03.240 --> 00:24:07.160 of force exercise, like bringing all their stuff out, bringing out all the 336 00:24:07.240 --> 00:24:11.200 shiny toys, and there were some there were Again, this is where it 337 00:24:11.200 --> 00:24:14.160 gets a little touchy, because I don't really trust where some of these articles 338 00:24:14.200 --> 00:24:17.279 come from. They said that we were showing off our nukes as well, 339 00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:21.960 like bringing them above ground, which we just don't really do. Yeah, 340 00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:25.200 there was a lot of things that were that were surrounding this, but again 341 00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:29.119 I didn't want to include them because it's all very speculatory and it's well, 342 00:24:29.160 --> 00:24:32.079 my dad said this happened, and he was there, and it's like, 343 00:24:32.079 --> 00:24:36.400 okay, who's your dad, brod. You got to work with us on 344 00:24:36.440 --> 00:24:38.079 this. But again, what was most interesting about this to me was the 345 00:24:38.079 --> 00:24:45.400 fact that we had multiple superpowers involved, and multiple crafts that allegedly showed up 346 00:24:45.440 --> 00:24:48.519 on our radar system and there are you know, I wanted to end this 347 00:24:48.519 --> 00:24:52.359 before I thought it off to you. There are some that say that this 348 00:24:52.680 --> 00:24:56.160 had nothing to do with the Soviets, but it was us testing out can 349 00:24:56.200 --> 00:25:02.400 we get them here at our back? Can call? Can we control when 350 00:25:02.440 --> 00:25:07.240 these crafts show up? By doing a massive show of military forest I could 351 00:25:07.240 --> 00:25:11.880 destroy the planet. I know that's a hell of a booty call. It 352 00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:15.119 sounds ridiculous, but I also like I would, I would believe the links 353 00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:18.799 that they would go to for that, after going down some of these rabbit 354 00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:21.880 holes, I'm like, that doesn't sound that ridiculous. Actually, we will 355 00:25:21.920 --> 00:25:23.519 do a lot of dumb stuff for a lot less. Yeah. If you 356 00:25:23.519 --> 00:25:26.920 don't believe you look up the gay bomb. That was a real thing. 357 00:25:27.440 --> 00:25:30.920 Please continue though, throw this off to you. So the next one we're 358 00:25:30.920 --> 00:25:34.759 going to talk about is Operation Popeye. Okay, did you ever watch Popeye 359 00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:37.039 the Sailor Man when you were grown up? Of course I did. That 360 00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:41.720 was a good show, a good cartoon. I probably shouldn't say that though, 361 00:25:41.720 --> 00:25:45.039 because it is super old. What what does that to do anything? 362 00:25:45.200 --> 00:25:49.000 Just this old doesn't mean it's not fucking phenomenal. I am pretty confident of 363 00:25:49.079 --> 00:25:56.079 that Big Spinach was behind that entire fucking show I was, so they were 364 00:25:56.119 --> 00:25:59.039 literally just trying to get kids to eat their vegetables. Well, and the 365 00:25:59.079 --> 00:26:00.559 thing is like when we're asking my mom as a kid, like, hey, 366 00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:03.880 can you meet some spinach next time you go to save a lot? 367 00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:06.200 You're not gonna eat it? Yes, I am. I'm gonna get fucking 368 00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:07.960 jacked. That's exactly why that happened. Yeah. Well, the thing was, 369 00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:11.960 I grew up in the attitude era of WWF and then I saw Popeye. 370 00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:15.519 I'm like, oh, all combinations, all I have to do. 371 00:26:15.599 --> 00:26:18.359 Look like Kevin Nash is eat my spinach. Yeah, exactly, in steroids 372 00:26:18.440 --> 00:26:21.799 or what. But it's just the spinach. I can get the spinach. 373 00:26:21.880 --> 00:26:26.440 I'm gonna be fucking six nine in jacked from the spinach. I mean you 374 00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:30.799 got there eventually. It was the spinach. Did you ever see the family 375 00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:33.240 guy or as either Southwark or Family Guy who said that, uh, it 376 00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:37.680 wasn't actually because of the spinach that Popeye's arms look that he just had giant 377 00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:41.960 tumors in his forearms. Oh my god, yeah, oh what please? 378 00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:48.000 Operation Popeye? Operation Popeye. Operation Popeye was a five year old secret clown 379 00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:53.119 sea seating operation meant to lengthen the monsoon season in Vietnam? Do you stabilize 380 00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:57.839 the enemy and allow the US to win the war? Okay, so it's 381 00:26:57.960 --> 00:27:03.319 weather control, yes, So I'm sure you're familiar with in making it rain 382 00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:06.880 in Dubai, right, Yeah, we talked about it a little bit. 383 00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:10.839 Yeah, that was so we kind of talked about this off air a little 384 00:27:10.880 --> 00:27:17.119 bit. I knew we were actively doing this, but it's always, I 385 00:27:17.119 --> 00:27:21.720 guess, shocking because you know, you hear that in cartoons and like shows 386 00:27:21.759 --> 00:27:23.680 from our childhood, like, oh, they can control the weather. And 387 00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:27.799 it's funny because I grew up hearing like witches can control the weather, and 388 00:27:27.880 --> 00:27:33.680 it was like this this occult fantasy of nonsense when an actuality our own government's 389 00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:38.440 been doing it for a fucking long time. It goes beyond just the government. 390 00:27:38.599 --> 00:27:41.640 It's other private companies as well. But we'll get into that at the 391 00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:45.880 end of this article. Okay. Though it cycled through several names in its 392 00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:52.799 history, Operation Popeye stuck it stated objective to ensure Americans one the Vietnam War 393 00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:57.079 was never realized, but the revelation that the US government played god with whether 394 00:27:57.480 --> 00:28:04.079 alternating warfare changed history. Don't you love that the played God. Yeah, 395 00:28:04.119 --> 00:28:11.000 like I say that they played mother Nature. Like I'm fine with that, 396 00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:14.240 but the whole to me when when someone says, played God the first thing 397 00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:17.079 that pops into mine and death? Yeah, life and death and stuff like 398 00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:22.680 that. Yeah. The Nixon administration distracted, denied, and it seemed outright 399 00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:29.359 lie to Congress, but enterprising reporters published damning stories about the rain being used 400 00:28:29.359 --> 00:28:34.400 as a weapon, and the Pentagon papers dripped classified details like artificial rain. 401 00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:41.200 Love that And it's funny because Nixon the Okay, So the longer I'm alive 402 00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:45.319 and the more I get into like US history at US presidents, Nixon was 403 00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:52.079 involved in so much controversy that it's not shocking given Watergate, that this kind 404 00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:53.920 of slid under the radar for a lot of people. Yeah. I think 405 00:28:53.960 --> 00:28:57.400 we should actually cover that on the podcast as well. Yeah. Eventually, 406 00:28:57.440 --> 00:29:03.759 the federal government would declassify its Popeye documents, and international laws aimed at preventing 407 00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:07.319 similar projects would be on the books, but the public would more or less 408 00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:12.759 forget it ever happened. Given the rise of geoengineering projects, both from municipal 409 00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:19.880 governments and private companies, some experts believe Popeye is newly relevant. Most travel 410 00:29:19.920 --> 00:29:25.279 agents would recommend planning your visit to Vietnam roughly between the months of November and 411 00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:30.000 April. Prices tend to jump during the so called high season, but it's 412 00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:33.519 only a surefire way to avoid the rain. And boy there is rain. 413 00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:38.640 Between roughly May and October, the mercury rises to ninety degrees and humidity can 414 00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:42.160 hit ninety percent. No thanks, right, Okay, let me let me 415 00:29:42.200 --> 00:29:47.519 ask you, because you're from the mountains, would you rather have scorching dry 416 00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:52.119 heat or a ninety degree day which is still hot but it's like bearable with 417 00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:55.799 high humidity and dry heat one hundred percent humidity. I can't stand. Yeah, 418 00:29:55.839 --> 00:30:02.480 there's when I was in Oklahoma. I remember they it was like one 419 00:30:02.599 --> 00:30:06.160 weekend where it wasn't super I think it was like eighty degrees out, but 420 00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:10.119 the humidity was so bad I literally soaked through like all three layers I was 421 00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:14.200 wearing like within an hour of being outside. It was like, you know 422 00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:15.680 what, fuck this. I'll take the dry heat of Ohio any day. 423 00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:21.920 Yeah. No, I completely agree. Here, heavy water and it's churned 424 00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:26.279 with monsoon winds and they can receive up to eight two point two inches of 425 00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:32.480 rain in July alone. Oh god, that's the average. That's the average. 426 00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:37.279 Yes, and a little later it racks up to eleven inches on average 427 00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:41.160 in September. Yeah, no, thanks, And for comparison Arizona, Arizona 428 00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:45.960 typically gets eight inches of rain per year. Yeah. I don't think people 429 00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:51.599 realize how much, like how much rain that really is. Back in the 430 00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:56.200 nineteen sixties, however, Vietnam's rainfall patterns weren't the concern of American tourists so 431 00:30:56.359 --> 00:31:03.480 much as American military when miminary tests for Operation Popeye began in October nineteen sixty 432 00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:07.519 six under President Lyndon B. Johnson. The Vietnam War had been underway for 433 00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:11.920 a decade. For over a decade, though still a decade away from its 434 00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:18.799 somber conclusion, and more than eight thousand Americans had already died. With traditional 435 00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:22.480 methods failing, the US government decided to look to the skies. The close 436 00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:27.400 monitoring of troop and truck traffic along roots where rain had fallen verified beyond any 437 00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:34.039 doubt that naturally adverse effects of rainfall and accumulated soil moisture on the enemy's logistic 438 00:31:34.160 --> 00:31:41.079 effort. Wow. So basically what they're saying is if they make it a 439 00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:42.920 rain a lot, it will literally flood out the enemy. Yeah, well 440 00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:45.559 that's kind of thinking in because you know, you as an American, we 441 00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:49.200 all always survived the tunnel warfare and that kind of stuff of the Vietnamese people, 442 00:31:49.960 --> 00:31:53.279 which they were a very adverse enemy, like like we had never trained 443 00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:56.880 or seen or fought anything quite like the Vietnamese. Yeah, a lot of 444 00:31:56.920 --> 00:32:01.240 people even say that it was going to be a two month war basically, 445 00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:04.880 Yeah, well that was the expectation, and it was kind of I don't 446 00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:07.920 want to say it was funny, but like when you look back on history, 447 00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:12.480 had it been a one or two month war, the outcome would have 448 00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:19.319 been very different in my opinion. Yeah, Operation Popeye continued, Lieutenant colonial 449 00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:24.839 Ed intended to further ruin Rhods jam rivers and extend the amount of time swass 450 00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:32.160 of Vietnam weren't traversable. Cloud seating is a method for artificially simulating precipitation like 451 00:32:32.359 --> 00:32:37.200 rain or snow. The practice is thought to have originated in nineteen forty six. 452 00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:42.920 WHOA, Okay, that's a lot older than I thought it was. 453 00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:49.160 While experimenting with dry ice Vincent Shaffer, a self taught chemist employed by g 454 00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:52.079 and General Electric, of all people, made a big dycuphery. I don't 455 00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:54.599 want to interject too much, but let me ask you something of someone who's 456 00:32:54.640 --> 00:33:00.000 more familiar with the scientific field. Have you ever noticed that at the like, 457 00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:05.559 self taught scientists or self taught chemists are usually the ones making like the 458 00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:08.680 biggest discoveries. Like yeah, I don't want to necessarily like like world changing, 459 00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:13.559 but like they're making groundbreaking discoveries. And I wanted your opinion, like 460 00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:15.839 why do you think Do you think that's because they aren't trained in condition to 461 00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:21.279 think the way that a college taught them, like they're already thinking outside the 462 00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:22.440 box, or do you think that there's more to it than that. I 463 00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:24.920 think there's a little more to it than that. I do think that would 464 00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:29.839 be a factor. But if you are in a group of your peers, 465 00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:37.559 as let's just say a scientist, you are more likely well they're definitely positives 466 00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:39.480 to be able to bounce theories off one another, to be able to talk 467 00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:44.319 to one another about weird things that pop up, you are going to be 468 00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:51.319 more than likely too kind of here and go with your colleagues and their theories. 469 00:33:51.400 --> 00:33:53.160 Yeah, kind of go with a flow. Yeah, And while you 470 00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:58.839 can make some pretty impressive discoveries, it's more of a standalone scientist I think 471 00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:04.160 would make bigger discoveries that could be proven wrong. But that's just my opinion. 472 00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:07.359 Peer pressure is definitely a bit well, no, because when we see 473 00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:08.760 that, and you got to see you saw that firsthand when you were doing 474 00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:12.760 you know, security management, there's always that kind of like, you know, 475 00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:15.760 you get along to go along type of mentality. But then you have 476 00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:19.840 your people who kind of operate solo, which is what you and I did 477 00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:22.800 most of the time, and I feel like we came to a lot more 478 00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:28.480 peaceful resolutions than when we would involve say an entire branch office or we would 479 00:34:28.519 --> 00:34:30.360 go sit down in a meeting room, because I feel like when we're in 480 00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:35.000 a meeting room, a lot of it's just like a it's consistent sound board. 481 00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:37.599 So I do wonder if that was similar, like would be similar in 482 00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:42.280 the scientific community, Yeah, because because you hear these like you know, 483 00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:47.280 like I don't know, solo scientific advancements being made by crazy people or people 484 00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:50.840 that have perceived as like, oh, he's just a mad scientist. But 485 00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:54.239 an actuality is he is he really mad or is he just creative? So 486 00:34:54.360 --> 00:35:00.440 it kind of goes back to I wonder if there is a benefit to being 487 00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:05.760 self taught versus going to like an mit for example. Yeah, I wouldn't 488 00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:09.199 agree with that. So the article goes on and it said he noticed that 489 00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:15.599 cloud condensation nuclei, which are the tiny particles around which water condensates could be 490 00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:21.119 artificially produced to create rain and snow. That is a giant leap from dry 491 00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:23.920 ice. Yeah, how do you get from A to b? Okay, 492 00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:27.480 and again this is what I'm talking about. My brain doesn't really work. 493 00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:30.360 I would see that. I'm like, oh man, that's cool. My 494 00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:32.679 glass is sweating. And that's as far as I would get. I think 495 00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:37.559 when it comes to noticing condensation and jumping to we can now make snow. 496 00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:42.800 Shaefer put is discovery to test by seating the clouds all over Berkshire Mountains in 497 00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:49.000 Massachusetts and successfully created precipitation. He was hailed as the first person to actually 498 00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:52.480 do something about the weather and not just talk about it. Of course, 499 00:35:52.639 --> 00:36:00.480 Schaefer's discovery was not met with enthusiasm alone. Some dreamed of ending drought and 500 00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:05.519 others worried that the rain would be quote unquote stolen as scientist pulled precipitation out 501 00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:07.239 of the clouds in some places and not others. That's what I was about 502 00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:14.480 to ask. Could you could you potentially then reverse or back engineer this to 503 00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:22.039 create a drought like ruin someone's crops or like let's say we're war Worth Canada, 504 00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:27.320 for example, could we completely wreckon ecosystem by doing the opposite of this 505 00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:31.920 or is that kind of a pipe dream? No? Okay, So how 506 00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:38.639 how a cloud makes rain is rain falls when it gets too heavy to be 507 00:36:38.840 --> 00:36:44.480 still held in the cloud. Yeah, so if you're starting that process over, 508 00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:49.320 it will take time for the cloud to get heavy again, to condensate 509 00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:53.119 and create rain, and then fall again. So let's say two miles away, 510 00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:59.920 we put more nuclei in the in the cloud and it created it created 511 00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:04.199 rain. Realistically, depending on how many miles it takes. I don't know 512 00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:07.880 the science behind rain all that well, but depending on how many miles it 513 00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:10.440 takes for rain to condensate and the wind and stuff like that, Let's say 514 00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:15.920 two miles away, it rains. When an actuality it was supposed to actually 515 00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:19.719 rain fifty miles away, fifty miles away could then go through a drought because 516 00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:22.559 the cloud's going to pass right over and not rain because it are a rain 517 00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:29.119 it's rebuilding now, yeah, or dissipates completely. So it's about of concern 518 00:37:29.199 --> 00:37:30.800 in my opinion. Well, yeah, because I'm just thinking, like in 519 00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:36.719 a war scenario like we're you know, I think it would be equally if 520 00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:43.000 not more damning, to be able to cut out someone's access to water again 521 00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:45.159 the necessity of rain. Like I you know, I grew up in Ohio. 522 00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:49.960 I think of our farmers here, Like how bad it is when we 523 00:37:50.079 --> 00:37:54.440 have a dry season. What if you artificially created a dry season for an 524 00:37:54.639 --> 00:38:00.719 entire country. Yeah, that's fucking terrifying to think about. Yeah, I 525 00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:05.039 would agree. At first, no one seemed to consider the wartime applications of 526 00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:09.079 cloud seating, but on March twentieth, nineteen sixty seven, the operational phase 527 00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:15.199 of Popeye began. Pilots and their crews would soar over the select regions of 528 00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:21.039 Vietnam with cansters of silver or lead iodied, which were by the nineteen sixties 529 00:38:21.119 --> 00:38:25.400 considered two of the primary sources of water condensation nuclei. The plane crew would 530 00:38:25.400 --> 00:38:30.280 ignite the casters and release the particle rich smoke into the existing storm. If 531 00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:36.559 all went well, the jolt of artificial nuclei would reverberate the system forcibly spurring 532 00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:43.480 additional precipitation. Despite eighty years of cloud seating efforts, rigorous research aimed at 533 00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:50.199 proving or disproving its efficient efficacy is still underway. Efficiency excuse me. During 534 00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:54.000 their top secret briefing on Popeye Center pelling case, were told that the US 535 00:38:54.079 --> 00:39:00.480 taxpayers paid, without their knowledge, three point six million million dollars a year. 536 00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:05.719 See you hear that number back in the sixties and seventies, and that 537 00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:09.000 sounds like an egregious number. It's twenty three million a year in today's dollars. 538 00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:12.719 Yeah, but the fact is, look at some of them, and 539 00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:15.280 again I don't want to get political, but if we look at some of 540 00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:19.119 these bills being passed, even at twenty three million, you're like, oh, 541 00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:22.400 that's a that's a drop in the bucket, all things considered, Yeah, 542 00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:30.079 Popeye's success was certainly limited and also fundamentally unverifiable. I love that they 543 00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:37.519 said that because the best way to make the public and again this is conspiracy 544 00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:40.199 brain think that you don't have to worry about the sort of thing is say, 545 00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:44.159 well, we don't know how effective it really was, and we can't 546 00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:49.679 really verify that. You know that what we did the cause and effect was 547 00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:52.320 x, y or z. When an actuality like you can't acknowledge that you 548 00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:55.239 can control the weather and say we don't know how effective it actually was. 549 00:39:55.320 --> 00:39:58.239 Though we don't know if we were good at it, we just know we 550 00:39:58.280 --> 00:40:00.920 can do it well. This is where the article took a twist that I 551 00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:07.840 was not expecting. Okay, as you read this, somewhere someone is probably 552 00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:14.679 seating a cloud state and city officials seed clouds in the Sierra Nevada each winner. 553 00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:17.079 It's a way to make a little money from ski resorts that pay for 554 00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:22.840 the potential of extra sprinkling of powder. Okay, But it's also a coordinated 555 00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:27.760 effort to increase the water supply that flows from melting snow each summer and quenches 556 00:40:27.800 --> 00:40:32.079 the thirst of California and its neighbors in the Colorado River basin. And local 557 00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:38.239 officials from Wyoming to Mumbai carry out summertime seating to provide rainfall for farmers. 558 00:40:39.320 --> 00:40:46.559 Meanwhile, the Chinese Meteorological Association is the world's biggest cloud seating operation, reportedly 559 00:40:46.679 --> 00:40:52.719 creating billions of tons of rain each year to the tune of hundreds of millions 560 00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:59.320 of dollars. Holy shit. The peacetime efforts were perfectly legal, but after 561 00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:04.440 the details of Operation Popeye went public, legislators begin to push for an international 562 00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:09.559 treaty that would ban weather modification from ever being used in warphare again. And 563 00:41:09.719 --> 00:41:15.159 so it was the case, the law originating in the United States, among 564 00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:20.480 the very people who have been secretly testing and arguably benefiting from the technology in 565 00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:25.559 the first place. US officials approached the former Soviet Union about the international agreement, 566 00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:31.440 which passed through UN in nineteen seventy six and entered into force in nineteen 567 00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:38.239 seventy eight. It's called the Environmental Modification Convention, and it's an international treaty 568 00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:45.239 that bars any action undertaken by military or otherwise hostage or hostile forces that could 569 00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:52.360 result in earthquakes. Tsunamis an upset an ecological balance of a region. Changes 570 00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:58.599 in weather patterns, clouds, precipitation, cyclones of various types and tornadic storms, 571 00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:06.719 changes in climate patterns, changes in ocean currents, changes in the state 572 00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:12.960 of ozone layer and changes in the in the state of the ionosphere. The 573 00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:17.119 convention is in effect, and it's so comprehenshensive. It bans many forms of 574 00:42:17.239 --> 00:42:22.960 weather modification that, at least according to publicly available knowledge, do not exist 575 00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:27.880 yet. Okay, I have to throw in my two cents. I to 576 00:42:27.920 --> 00:42:30.079 throw my hat in the ring here for a second. Well, I'm gonna 577 00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:36.360 go off a couple of things here. Okay. So one, how many 578 00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:43.920 un laws are in effect because of actions of the United States? Okay, 579 00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:45.239 you know what I mean. I try to google that that didn't come up. 580 00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:50.119 There's a lot. Okay, So we look at the Geneva Convention for 581 00:42:50.239 --> 00:42:52.920 example. Okay, let's look back. Let's go back to was it World 582 00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:58.039 War One? Where they said that shotguns shouldn't be used in trench warfare and 583 00:42:58.119 --> 00:43:00.480 we said, fucking want a bet and then use them anyway. And then 584 00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:05.920 Vietnam they said that we were using flamethrowers and they said, no more flamethrowers 585 00:43:05.960 --> 00:43:09.679 because it's inhumane. There's a lot where we're like, Okay, let's do 586 00:43:09.800 --> 00:43:13.840 it for a while and then when they ban it, we'll agree. Well. 587 00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:16.639 And the thing was, it's almost always like wait till we've won or 588 00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:22.039 our use case is finished, and then we can regulate it, and then 589 00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:24.079 we'll go on to the next thing. Yes, I have a feeling that 590 00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:29.119 so many laws we're actually created because of the United States. But again we're 591 00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:31.519 talking warfare. What would stop Okay, So again, so this is Ohio 592 00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:36.360 brain, you know. So I'm sure driving through down through Cincinnati, you've 593 00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:38.599 seen the giant salt piles and the reserves that we have. Yeah, what 594 00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:43.199 would stop a company like the one that I, oh god, I work 595 00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:46.280 for one like one of the companies that I work that we have surfaced that 596 00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:50.719 has a salt mine. What would stop them saying We're going to get into 597 00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:55.599 the weather control business and generate more snow, so more salt has to be 598 00:43:55.760 --> 00:44:01.159 used each year, exactly, like exactly, like where's the capitalism in this? 599 00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:05.199 And what are we getting from it? Yeah? Because when you when 600 00:44:05.239 --> 00:44:08.760 you realistically, So what this article kind of goes on to talk about is 601 00:44:09.280 --> 00:44:15.960 there's the first thing it talks about is how are you accurately tracking if someone 602 00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:21.920 is influencing the weather. Let's say that we are still using canisters and planes 603 00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:23.360 to do it. How are you going to get the flight logs of a 604 00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:29.679 secret operation that's not even declassified. Yeah, if someone goes flies over Vietnam 605 00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:32.079 again and causes it to rain more. Yeah, and if we're talking from 606 00:44:32.079 --> 00:44:37.800 a civilian standpoint. I actually I have a funny little story to tell. 607 00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:42.840 We had a mutual friend who he was pretty well off, and we were 608 00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:46.320 discussing going to get some computer hardware. And I was saying, yeah, 609 00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:50.920 the closest place I can get it from because it was a pretty like unique 610 00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:52.639 bit of hardware as it's like in like a nine hour drive. He goes, 611 00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:55.039 oh, we'll just take my plane. I was like, first off, 612 00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:58.920 what the fuck did you just say? You have a plane? He 613 00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:00.840 goes, yeah, I got my pilot since a few years back, I 614 00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:04.079 have a two person playing we can just fly there. But what would stop 615 00:45:04.119 --> 00:45:07.920 a person with like warring farmers for example, because we both know, especially 616 00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:10.960 in Ohio, we have several multi millionaires that will live right next to each 617 00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:16.400 other in a delay provident, beat down fucking farmhouse. What would stop them 618 00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:22.920 from generating rain or too much rain the next town up with one of their 619 00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:25.360 competitors. Because again, just because the UN says we can't do this in 620 00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:31.320 warfare, is there a commercialized law that stops you and I, as tales 621 00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:36.159 from the Dark, from having our own weather control system because we don't like 622 00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:39.360 rain, or we do like rain. No. So the thing with this 623 00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:44.880 type of cloud seating, the clouds have to exist in the first place. 624 00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:49.239 So it has to be the storm has to be able to happen for them 625 00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:52.280 to be able to see the clouds. It can't actually just create clouds that 626 00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:55.199 I know of based on this technology we're talking about right now. Okay, 627 00:45:57.079 --> 00:46:00.239 they probably can after looking into that whole device, I think, but that's 628 00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:06.400 a whole different conversation. But for seating clouds, the clouds have to exist 629 00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:10.320 in the first place, and you can actually have a generator on your property. 630 00:46:10.719 --> 00:46:14.079 I don't know about on your property, but a generator can be on 631 00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:20.400 the ground and generate these nuclei that go up into the atmosphere and generate the 632 00:46:20.519 --> 00:46:22.920 rain. It doesn't only have to be a cancer that's lit and set into 633 00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:28.800 the Okay, that's even more terrifying because think of how many back forties we've 634 00:46:28.880 --> 00:46:31.119 driven by that can have one of those just sitting back there. Yeah. 635 00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:35.840 So so it first talks about how are you going to track it. And 636 00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:40.280 then the second thing it talks about, which I was pretty messed up by, 637 00:46:40.639 --> 00:46:45.159 was if you have all these if you have all these bobs who get 638 00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:50.920 these generators on their back forty yeah, and try to generate rain for their 639 00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:55.280 property. While Bob himself may not be impacting Mother Nature and the ozone and 640 00:46:55.360 --> 00:47:00.760 the planet and the and the weather conditions of our planet. What happens when 641 00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:05.599 you have seven billion bobs and you all have all these small companies popping up 642 00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:09.639 and generating artificially creating rain. What is that going to do from other nature? 643 00:47:09.800 --> 00:47:15.440 Well? And see, I'm now like remembering a conspiracy theory from like 644 00:47:15.639 --> 00:47:21.519 I don't know, ten years ago. So I want you to finish this 645 00:47:21.599 --> 00:47:23.000 because this is I'm kind of enthralled by this. We should have done probably 646 00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:27.480 an entire episode of weather Control. But okay, so, like, since 647 00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:29.360 you've been in Ohio, you know how how big of a deal of the 648 00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:31.960 Ohio State Michigan football game is, right? Yeah, Like it's it is 649 00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:36.880 life or death. People get killed over this. If you're supporting the wrong 650 00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:38.679 school in the wrong place. It's it's actually very it's like a cult. 651 00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:43.679 Let's just be fucking honest. It's a cult. Yeah, there was a 652 00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:47.199 conspiracy and this is a few years ago, maybe ten or so, that 653 00:47:47.519 --> 00:47:51.159 Ohio State, the Ohio State University. I had to say the you can't 654 00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:55.880 just say Ohio State. It's the Ohio State University was actively influencing the snowfall 655 00:47:57.719 --> 00:48:04.119 in Michigan Stadium and arbor to benefit them having a worse or better season and 656 00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:09.880 to like stimulate an increase the likelihood of injury on the field for Michigan's players. 657 00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:13.679 And I thought, like, that is the dumbest should I have ever 658 00:48:13.760 --> 00:48:17.199 heard in my entire life. But I know how serious both schools take their 659 00:48:17.239 --> 00:48:23.480 football programs, and hearing that this is consistently happening, and oh it take 660 00:48:23.599 --> 00:48:29.199 is a geoengineering class in Ohio staying to do it? Like again, I 661 00:48:29.320 --> 00:48:30.800 am I saying that that happened. No, But I am I saying that 662 00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:35.159 a conspiracy theory that I once thought had no legs. I think it might 663 00:48:35.199 --> 00:48:37.760 have just put it choose on. That's That's about all I can say. 664 00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:43.639 So. Yeah, it basically goes through and talks about there's actually a company 665 00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:49.960 named Weather Modification, Inc. That exists, that it's a North Dakota based 666 00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:52.800 company, of course it is, which had a hand in weather modification efforts 667 00:48:52.840 --> 00:49:00.679 from Mexico to Morocco. Okay, so we have an international company. Now, 668 00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:04.719 who is who's watching the watchers at this point? That's that's my next 669 00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:09.079 question. Yeah, there's also big corporations like Shell, as well as a 670 00:49:09.199 --> 00:49:15.039 dozen of smaller startups like Carbon Engineering, which had developed and begun to implement 671 00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:21.039 carbon capture technology, which this is actually something Elon must talked about. If 672 00:49:21.119 --> 00:49:25.320 you remember, he talked about capturing carbon as a source of fuel. Yeah, 673 00:49:25.639 --> 00:49:32.199 I remember, I'm talking about Yeah. So they've implemented this carbon catching 674 00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:37.880 technology and they're all intended to only benefit the local community. They've become so 675 00:49:38.039 --> 00:49:45.519 widespread that they could have have a planetary scale effect if there's enough local weather 676 00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:49.840 modification. At what point does it add up to more than the sum of 677 00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:53.519 its parts. So I hate to to kind of put a damper on what 678 00:49:53.599 --> 00:49:58.400 you said earlier about we we don't know that we can create clouds. We 679 00:49:58.480 --> 00:50:02.440 can create clouds. We can. According to the Scientific American article right here, 680 00:50:02.840 --> 00:50:07.960 there are currently eight states actively overcoming major droughts by using cloud seating. 681 00:50:08.920 --> 00:50:14.760 There are two of the eight states that doesn't say which unfortunately that have proven 682 00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:22.599 that under the perfect circumstances. Again, it doesn't say here what those circumstances 683 00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:25.800 are, but it says under the perfect circumstances that has been proven in up 684 00:50:25.880 --> 00:50:34.239 to seven hundred different examples that we can create clouds by partially regenerating them off 685 00:50:34.280 --> 00:50:38.519 of pre existing clouds from up to six hundred and fifty miles away. Yep, 686 00:50:39.159 --> 00:50:43.880 yep, that's the thing. So again I don't want to go into 687 00:50:43.920 --> 00:50:45.880 that. That's a huge article saying like why cloud seating is evil. So 688 00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:50.559 I'm not gonna we don't have time for that right now. But I literally 689 00:50:50.559 --> 00:50:52.519 just google can we create clouds? And Scientific Americans. The first thing that 690 00:50:52.599 --> 00:50:55.880 popped up and I was like, oh, oh oh no, Well, 691 00:50:55.960 --> 00:51:00.880 how this article ends, which I do agree with to a certain extent, 692 00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:08.000 is basically, we don't know as we develop geoengineering and the ability to change 693 00:51:08.039 --> 00:51:13.920 the weather and the ability to create clouds, apparently we don't know the actual 694 00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:20.920 long term effects of weather changing. And realistically the scientific study of the atmosphere, 695 00:51:21.119 --> 00:51:24.639 like the actual atmosphere yeah, is not that long standing. Like with 696 00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:30.400 our technology technology boosts that we've had in the last hundred years, and how 697 00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:35.119 we've actually exponentially grown with our knowledge. We have no idea the long term 698 00:51:35.159 --> 00:51:38.239 effects of what we're doing. In most cases are our modern scientific advancements trace 699 00:51:38.320 --> 00:51:43.760 back to one to one and a half people ago. Yep, our country 700 00:51:43.840 --> 00:51:49.280 is only like three people ago old ye and people four people aren't really grasping 701 00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:52.480 that. And it's it's shocking to me as I read a lot of these 702 00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:58.280 with Hills from the Dark, I'm shocked how many scientific journals we've had to 703 00:51:58.400 --> 00:52:02.039 read to understand how this stuff works. And that is one of the things 704 00:52:02.119 --> 00:52:07.280 that very few scientists and I know they're usually the ones that you seem to 705 00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:09.559 identify with, which is I'm sure that there's no connection there. Those are 706 00:52:09.559 --> 00:52:14.280 the only ones really saying like, we don't really know what the fuck we're 707 00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:16.000 doing. We're not destroying the planet in two hundred years, like we have 708 00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:21.639 no real clue, but we're going to do it because that's what science to 709 00:52:21.760 --> 00:52:24.880 take a science, yeah, and it's it's really kind of terrifying. My 710 00:52:25.400 --> 00:52:29.760 concern with us is why are we not doing this on a small scale. 711 00:52:30.760 --> 00:52:36.760 Why aren't we creating a let's say, like a three factory building, creating 712 00:52:36.840 --> 00:52:42.119 an ecosystem inside that building and testing on a very small level. Yeah, 713 00:52:42.440 --> 00:52:45.639 Like you can artificially create ecosystems, and I don't understand when we're not testing 714 00:52:45.679 --> 00:52:47.880 it and like that, No, it's not going to be one to one, 715 00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:51.159 Like yeah, I get like, it's not going to be a whole 716 00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:54.360 planet. But at the same time, why are we not taking more precautions 717 00:52:54.360 --> 00:53:00.320 about this? See? My thing is we have a bunch of movie trais. 718 00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:02.320 One comes to mind in particular about like why we don't fuck with Mother 719 00:53:02.480 --> 00:53:08.480 Nature and that's a Jurassic Park where we brought back. I'm also kind of 720 00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:13.000 terrified by the way, because I keep seeing this popable on Twitter that we 721 00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:16.079 had a Jurassic embryo that we've been able to recreate and bring to life, 722 00:53:16.119 --> 00:53:20.000 And I'm like, guys, we've seen the movie already, don't do it. 723 00:53:20.159 --> 00:53:22.719 Jeff Goldbloom still alive, he can tell us exactly why we shouldn't do 724 00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:29.159 this. But basically the last paragraph of this article is just but the real 725 00:53:29.239 --> 00:53:34.400 concern, Gordon says, is our rapidly changing climate and its effects on global 726 00:53:34.480 --> 00:53:38.000 water system. As Cape Town stares down the end of its water supply and 727 00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:43.679 floods and droughts, destabilized communities all over the world. She says, we're 728 00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:47.880 starting to realize how right now, how little we actually know about the atmosphere. 729 00:53:49.719 --> 00:53:52.960 New climate altering technology will continue to crop up, but instead of providing 730 00:53:53.039 --> 00:53:59.519 us with easy answers to our biggest problems, these developments should see new questions. 731 00:54:00.559 --> 00:54:04.519 I would have to agree with that. What I think is weird is 732 00:54:04.559 --> 00:54:08.360 as many um like like climate change deniers as we've talked to when we've run 733 00:54:08.440 --> 00:54:12.519 into I've I don't think I've ever heard any of them bring this up. 734 00:54:12.760 --> 00:54:14.880 And you would think this would be the first thing that we're bringing that they're 735 00:54:14.920 --> 00:54:16.480 bringing up. Did you ever learn about this in school? No? This 736 00:54:16.599 --> 00:54:22.559 has been happening since nineteen nineteen forty nine. No, and I've never heard 737 00:54:22.559 --> 00:54:25.039 about this. So you want to know how I found out about Operation Popeye? 738 00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:30.239 How so? I follow on Twitter. I only follow a handful of 739 00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:32.639 accounts because my my fee gets too convoluted. I just stopped looking at Twitter 740 00:54:32.880 --> 00:54:37.079 all together. And I like to use Twitter as a form of both research 741 00:54:37.159 --> 00:54:40.960 and reaching out to people. But I follow um it's called a cult bot 742 00:54:42.239 --> 00:54:45.159 and UFO bot, and they have a third one Illuminati bot or something. 743 00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:52.280 But I only follow those two. And what these are is it's AI generated 744 00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:55.079 a bot account that just will hang on one second. Let me let me 745 00:54:55.159 --> 00:54:59.360 just pop up some of the examples from a Colt bot. Okay, they'll 746 00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:02.159 post thing like hurry up and open your eyes. The entire world around use 747 00:55:02.159 --> 00:55:07.519 nothing but lies or demons are organized and hierarchies and function as if they're in 748 00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:13.239 a military organization, according to the grimoires and inquisition writings. Farther down the 749 00:55:13.320 --> 00:55:15.079 rabbit hole, still I find peace and knowing I took the right pill. 750 00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:19.800 They'll post things like that, and it's just like, you know, random 751 00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:23.039 bits of occult knowledge. Yeah, occasionally, but there'll be some good history 752 00:55:23.079 --> 00:55:27.719 in here. And there was one that was just like, next time you 753 00:55:27.840 --> 00:55:32.119 think that your society won't lie to you, google Operation Popeye. And I 754 00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:35.119 was like, I don't know what this is. I'm gonna put it in 755 00:55:35.199 --> 00:55:37.599 my notes. I'll look at it at some point. And when the idea 756 00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:42.320 for this episode came up, I pulled up Operation Popeye and I saw all 757 00:55:42.440 --> 00:55:45.880 these articles about us controlling the weather, how we try to use it to 758 00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:49.719 win the Vietnam War conflict. I think it's what they want us to call 759 00:55:49.760 --> 00:55:52.599 it now, But yeah, yeah, it's that's that's a whole other conversation. 760 00:55:54.079 --> 00:55:58.440 But then I started seeing this cloud seating stuff, and then that's how 761 00:55:58.480 --> 00:56:00.639 I got on the Dubai train of learning how they do it and Dubai and 762 00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:07.840 how like efficient they are, Like it's it's not like it's well, the 763 00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:12.760 impression I was under off of a few YouTube videos was this is incredibly inconsistent, 764 00:56:12.920 --> 00:56:16.639 like one in ten. No, this company and Dubai they do it 765 00:56:17.119 --> 00:56:22.039 one hundred percent of the time. Like it's it's not a question of can 766 00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:25.920 we it's yes, it's when when do we have the right time to do 767 00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:31.400 it? And it's kind of terrifying that I learned that from a Twitter bought 768 00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:36.320 account, because no, I'd never heard of this before. I had always 769 00:56:36.360 --> 00:56:38.480 thought this was kind of like one of those like you would hear a mad 770 00:56:38.599 --> 00:56:43.920 scientist on a shitty sci fi movie talk about this kind of stuff. No, 771 00:56:44.119 --> 00:56:46.199 it's terrifying. And then like I know, I keep saying that, 772 00:56:46.360 --> 00:56:52.159 but we do not know the impact this will have permanently on our planet. 773 00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:55.440 Now, there is one example I will give that. You know, mother 774 00:56:55.559 --> 00:57:00.159 nature always adapts and I mean that from a scientific standpoint. I don't mean 775 00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:07.480 that from a spiritual or magic standpoint. I mean mother nature, the ecosystems, 776 00:57:07.559 --> 00:57:10.880 the plants, the animals, they will always adapt and evolve. We 777 00:57:12.079 --> 00:57:14.599 I just saw an article about and I don't know how true it is, 778 00:57:14.679 --> 00:57:19.880 but that a mushroom has now developed the ability to break down plastics. Yes, 779 00:57:20.039 --> 00:57:22.559 I did. I saw that as well, and I think it is 780 00:57:22.719 --> 00:57:25.559 true. Yeah. So, I mean there's always going to be a way 781 00:57:25.639 --> 00:57:35.519 that Mother nature adapts to what would be considered pest on the planet and inconveniences. 782 00:57:35.960 --> 00:57:39.400 Well, but at the same time, like just because mother nature will 783 00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:45.039 adapt, doesn't mean that Mother Nature will adapt with us. We could be 784 00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:47.840 the reason why Mother Nature revolts and we fucking die. That's what I was 785 00:57:47.840 --> 00:57:52.159 about to say. What happens when Mother Nature determines it were the pests? 786 00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:55.199 Yeah, that we are the inconsistencies or where were the inconvenience that needs to 787 00:57:55.239 --> 00:57:59.199 be eradicated? Yeah, And regardless of what you believe in, Like I 788 00:57:59.239 --> 00:58:02.000 said, this isn't coming from a spiritual point. This is coming from evolution. 789 00:58:02.199 --> 00:58:07.039 Yeah, this is coming from plants, animals, chemicals, everything evolving 790 00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:14.559 and developing. Around its nature, around its ecosystem, and mother nature always 791 00:58:14.599 --> 00:58:22.119 has a way of ridding and resetting. So let me ask you, do 792 00:58:22.320 --> 00:58:25.920 you see any point in which us controlling the weather, with the exception of 793 00:58:25.960 --> 00:58:32.599 an extreme drought, shouldn't be controlled by a centralized government agency. No, 794 00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:37.119 I think I think it should be controlled by someone like the UN. But 795 00:58:37.239 --> 00:58:38.880 the more I learn about the UN, I don't think it actually has a 796 00:58:38.920 --> 00:58:45.480 lot of power. That's a whole another Yeah, that's a whole other conversation. 797 00:58:45.519 --> 00:58:49.800 Well, again we go back to Jurassic Park. Yeah, and the 798 00:58:49.880 --> 00:58:53.840 Jeff Goldbloom quote. Your scientists were so preoccupied befether they could they didn't stop 799 00:58:53.920 --> 00:58:58.280 to think if they should. All right, gold Bloom condown. But but 800 00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:00.679 it makes perfect sense. What do you think about it? But again, 801 00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:02.800 if this is this kind of stuff is happening, and there are companies doing 802 00:59:02.920 --> 00:59:07.239 this and no one's talking about it, what else are we going to unearth 803 00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:12.079 this year with the podcast? And again I'm not saying, like where the 804 00:59:12.159 --> 00:59:15.840 founding fathers of figuring this shit out? But when it comes to bringing this 805 00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:19.800 information to each other, no one's talking about this, And I'm in so 806 00:59:19.960 --> 00:59:24.039 many conspiracy circles and I know I've heard cloud seating talked about, but it's 807 00:59:24.159 --> 00:59:28.280 usually in connection with Kim Trails. And when Kim Trails get talked about, 808 00:59:28.280 --> 00:59:31.719 I usually just turn my brain off, YEP, because I can't allow myself 809 00:59:31.800 --> 00:59:35.400 to go down that rabbit hole. Because if there are certain ones, I 810 00:59:35.440 --> 00:59:37.760 know if I go down and by not coming back, and Kim Trails is 811 00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:40.320 one of them, because for every one point that makes sense with Kim Trails, 812 00:59:40.360 --> 00:59:45.800 there's seventy five that just they're ridiculous. Well, I definitely do think 813 00:59:45.880 --> 00:59:49.039 when it comes to conspiracy theories, I think there are a lot of intelligent 814 00:59:49.119 --> 00:59:53.239 people in that circle and in that community that do really good research. But 815 00:59:54.320 --> 00:59:58.119 when it comes and we've talked about this before, when it comes to conspiracy 816 00:59:58.159 --> 01:00:02.239 theories, there is gate keeping out the ass, and I think it comes 817 01:00:02.360 --> 01:00:07.239 from both sides. The conspiracy get people are also gatekeepers. They don't trust 818 01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:10.800 anybody. They think it's all government, they think it's all secret. Yes, 819 01:00:12.239 --> 01:00:15.239 they think it's lumin naughty, you know. And so when you allow 820 01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:21.519 yourself to be completely consumed by that lifestyle, I get it, Like I 821 01:00:21.679 --> 01:00:23.679 get why you why you would think that way, but you shouldn't. No, 822 01:00:23.920 --> 01:00:27.840 I would totally agree with that. But on the other hands, when 823 01:00:27.920 --> 01:00:32.920 it comes to the companies that are actually doing these things and actually changing the 824 01:00:34.079 --> 01:00:37.800 fucking weather like they're One they're marketing to the right people, they're not marketing 825 01:00:37.880 --> 01:00:44.840 to the general public. Two, they are gatekeeping in the sense of the 826 01:00:44.960 --> 01:00:47.480 scientific terms that they are using, because a lot of people when they read 827 01:00:47.519 --> 01:00:52.119 these articles, they won't google, they won't look into it more, they'll 828 01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:54.199 just take it at face value. Well, it's like the term cloud seating, 829 01:00:54.480 --> 01:00:58.599 Like, what does that? That sounds like nothing. The average person's 830 01:00:58.599 --> 01:01:00.159 gonna look at cloud sing I have naughty with the means. Average person's gonna 831 01:01:00.159 --> 01:01:02.880 look at weather control and they're like, oh, I know exactly what that 832 01:01:04.039 --> 01:01:07.360 means and why we shouldn't do it exactly. Oh, this is this is 833 01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:09.800 nuts. If you guys liked this episode, let let us know. We 834 01:01:09.920 --> 01:01:13.119 end a couple more. We just don't have time for it. We have 835 01:01:13.719 --> 01:01:16.400 one is also to do with Vietnam, strangely enough, and it had to 836 01:01:16.440 --> 01:01:22.880 do with like ghosts, ghosts and the graves and the deaths of you basically 837 01:01:22.039 --> 01:01:27.039 like psychological torture. Yeah. Then I had a couple other UFO operations so 838 01:01:27.199 --> 01:01:29.960 let us know if you guys like this kind of episode, cause it's kind 839 01:01:29.960 --> 01:01:34.079 of all over the place, but it's still pretty much up our alley. 840 01:01:34.280 --> 01:01:37.159 Yeah. So with that being said, my only reminder for you guys is 841 01:01:37.199 --> 01:01:38.800 we're going to do an mk oldre episode this week patreons. If you guys 842 01:01:38.800 --> 01:01:42.639 are interested, go to patreon dot com slash Tails from the Darks sign up 843 01:01:43.000 --> 01:01:45.400 one dollar at you guys access all that fun stuff, and keep an eye 844 01:01:45.400 --> 01:01:47.719 out. We have you Handed Strangers coming back this week and then I'm not 845 01:01:47.800 --> 01:01:51.559 really sure what we're doing for Friday step just yet, we'll do something fun. 846 01:01:51.800 --> 01:01:53.679 Yeah. So with that being said, Miss Brittany uns, there's anything 847 01:01:53.719 --> 01:01:55.960 else that you'd like to add. The only thing I want to add is 848 01:01:57.000 --> 01:02:00.320 I do want to do another listener stories this month. Yes, make sure 849 01:02:00.320 --> 01:02:02.599 you guys go over to Tales from the Dark dot net and submit your stories. 850 01:02:02.960 --> 01:02:06.480 I'd love to do another episode for you guys this month. That way, 851 01:02:06.639 --> 01:02:09.320 absolutely I agree. So with that being said, I think we're not 852 01:02:09.440 --> 01:02:13.199 to add this episode of I don't even know what we're gonna call it yet 853 01:02:13.679 --> 01:03:21.920 to our never ending but are always growing Tales from the Dark. Alle