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Hi everyone, I'm Talia and I'm
Tanya, and together we are Crimes and

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Consequences, a true crime podcast.
Welcome everybody to this week's episode of Crimes

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and Consequences. I am Talia and
this is my lovely co host, Tanya.

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Tanya Together. We are two attorneys
that love true crime and we like

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to talk about it and we do. We talk about it all the time,

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and we're going to share some stories
with you guys today. This one

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is known as the Zombie Killer or
the Canal Murders, Okay, and it

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starts out in nineteen ninety two.
But before I get into it, I

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this story starts out in nineteen y
two in Phoenix, Arizona, and this

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is a really crazy story and it's
really gruesome. So you know, there

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are in nineteen ninety two, two
young women with really bright futures, and

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their lives were cut short. These
murders, as I said, would be

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known as the Phoenix Canal murders,
or the zombie killer murders or the zombie

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Hunter murder because of the murderer's nickname. At the time of the murders.

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After they occurred, there were six
hundred possible people that the police thoughts,

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yes, yeah, got and it
would take two decades to solve these cases.

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Wow, but if you think about
it, many killers out there.

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Just killed twice in two decks.
Yeah, oh in two decades. Yeah,

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there's some more out there, and
we'll get to that. It would

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be almost thirty years before the killer
was brought to justice, and that was

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through DNA. Oh is going to
get you. So let me start out

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with the first victim. Her name
was Angela Brussel, and she disappeared on

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November eighth of nineteen ninety two.
She was only twenty two years old and

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she worked as a tech worker.
I don't know exactly what she did.

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She'd recently moved to Phoenix. Every
evening, Angela would go out for a

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bike ride and she had like a
circuit that she went around and it was

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about an hour, and her boyfriend
Joe would go with her most of the

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time, but on this particular evening, Joe didn't go. You know why

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Why because the next day was her
birthday and he was baking her a birthday

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can oh man, So she went
by herself. She left her apartment.

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Oh, I gotta put my glasses. It was about seven o'clock. Her

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boyfriend Joe's making this birthday cake,
and again he expects her home in about

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an hour, but then she doesn't
come back. So he goes out on

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his bike and he's looking for her. He did three different searches for her,

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couldn't find her, so eventually he
called the police. The next morning,

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her headless torso oh no, was
found in a field next to a

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trail where she often rode her bike. This is really gruesome. Her or

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so had been caught open actually this
way, and she was almost severed.

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She'd been stabbed in the back,
dismembered, her head was cut off,

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and she'd been sexually assaulted after death. Oh no, this is bad.

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This is bad. Yeah man.
It kind of comes with the territory of

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our podcast, it does, it
does. But oh after her death,

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they searched for her head, but
they couldn't find it, and her bike

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was also missing too. About eleven
days later, her head was found stuck

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in the canal on a grate.
Okay, yeah, and it was about

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two miles away from where her body
was found. H Are you ready for

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this? Oh no, it's okay. Investigators believe that her head had been

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kept in a refrigerator what or a
freezer possibly before, based on the decompensation

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of it. Geez, really,
what the fuck? I know, like,

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what the what the hell? Yeah, what the hell? What the

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And investigators believed that she was pushed
off her bike and brought into the trail

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where that all took place. So
they think she was killed there, I

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like, on the trail, on
the trail, killed and dismembered on the

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trail. Yes, wow, Yes, that's pretty what's pretty bold? Like,

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yes, you know, I mean, I understand you're out in the

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wilderness or whatever I mean, but
seriously, it's not really that. I

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mean, this is in Phoenix,
Yeah, so it's not that. Wow,

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that's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. But her case went cold,

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damn. But then on September twenty
one of nineteen ninety three, Melanie burned

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us went missing. She was only
seventeen years old and she was a junior

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in high school. The night she
went missing, her mom her name was

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Marlene. She wasn't home, so
Melanie decided to go for a bike ride.

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Wow, okay, and she never
made it back. Marlene gets home,

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she calls police eventually because she notices
that, okay, Melanie's bike's gone,

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Melanie's not back. First, she
calls friends. She called her friend,

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Rachel is her best friend, and
Rachel's like, oh, she's probably

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at other friends' houses and just didn't
tell you. But Marlene calls all over

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and no one has any idea where
Melanie is. So then Marlene calls police.

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But the next morning, a woman
named Charlotte Puddle was riding her bike

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with her toddler like on the back. Oh yeah, And she thought she

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saw like it was a puddle by
the canal and she didn't think anything bad.

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And she puddles through it the puddle
and realizes it's blood. Oh no,

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it's blood. And then she noticed
dragmar on the ground that went into

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the canal, and she called the
police. Smart woman, I'm not going

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to go investigate. I am calling
the police. When police arrived on the

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scene, they found this is so
strange. They found Melanie's body floating in

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the canal, dressed in this teal
body suit. It looks like a one

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piece with a zipper. Was it
like a full bodysuit like a scuba No,

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it was like a swimsuit. Okay, like a swimsuit, okay,

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with a zipper. And she was
not that is tinkle for a bike ride.

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And oh, I'm sure, yeah, you're right. Yeah, so

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they believe the killer had to undressed
her, redressed her with this body suit.

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Oh that's fucking weird too. Yeah, it's like a yeah, this

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is like one piece. She'd been
fatally stabbed in the back, dragged over

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the asphalt, caught across the neck, and sexually assaulted. Letters had been

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carved in her chest. What Yeah, did they spell anything? No?

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No, I couldn't figure out.
I couldn't find out what the letters were.

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But there was also a cross carved
in her The hell, man,

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people are fucked up. I'm just
sorry. I'm god, this story is

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a mess already. I'm thinking that
she had to have like he had to

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have done that all around that area. Yeah, because she's dragged and there's

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a puddle of blood and put on
a one piece. You brought it with

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him. I mean, that's so
weird, the strangest thing. Yeah,

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really, this is just bizarre.
I told you this is this is earlier.

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This is a strange story. That
night on the news, it was

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reported that a woman's body was found
in the canal and they mentioned the bodysuit

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Rachel. Melanie's friend was like,
that can't be Melanie because she didn't wear

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that body suit. But the next
day it was determined, yes, this

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is Melanie. They were able to
pull DNA from both Angela and Melanie because

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they'd been sexually assaulted, and they
were able to realize that that the DNA

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matched one suspect, so they knew
that both women had been murdered by the

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same man. And they actually thought
for a little bit they might be looking

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for a surgeon. Oh really based
on the cuts of the body. Oh

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wow. But the cases went cold. In nineteen ninety four, there was

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a tip that was actually called in
regarding someone who said that they had a

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friend named Brian Patrick Miller who had
a similar teal body suit at one point

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in his belongings, but the police
didn't follow up on this tip. I

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don't know why a man would have
that. Yeah, I don't either,

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But Okay, so years go by, decades go by, it's nineteen years

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that go by, and eventually a
cold case unit gets formed and they're looking

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into the Canal murders again. And
they started with that list of six hundred

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people, damn. And they tried
to go through the backgrounds all of that,

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but I mean, there's people,
and it was it was going too

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slow, and they didn't really they
didn't get anywhere. But then they caught

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a break. In twenty fourteen,
there was this forensic genealogist named Colleen Fitzpatrick

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and she went to a conference that
law enforcement we're having talking about this technique

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for you know, genetic DNA and
how you could help with cases. Her

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company was called Identifiers International, and
they had developed this software that could mine

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public genealogy databases and look for matches
for DNA. The police sent her the

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DNA evidence and her company came up
with a surname, oh Miller, Oh

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oh. And there was this officer
in the cold case. His name was

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Officer swartz Off. He was He
found six people on the list that had

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the last name Miller out of six
hundred. Oh, they write it down

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right, Brian Patrick Miller popped up
as one of those six And let me

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just tell you he's a fucking weirdo. Yeah. He should have popped up

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a long time ago on their list. He was forty two years old and

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he had this record he was a
Jew. He had a record from being

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a Jew a juvenile from before the
murders, when he was around in his

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teens, like fourteen to sixteen.
I'm not really sure how old he was.

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He stabbed a woman named Celeste Bentley. Wow, when they got off

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the bus at the same stop.
He just stabbed her. He just stabbed

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her. Celeste Uh had thought she
got hit in the back and then realized

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there was blood. She was at
this bus stop and when she got off,

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it was right next to her work, so she stumbled into her work

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and had them call an ambulance.
This is her account of what happened.

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Well, when he had ran by
me, I think thought he just hit

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me. But then I reached back
to my I reached back to my back

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and pulled my hand up and I
saw there was blood. Luckily, the

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police because she stumbled right into work
and they'd called you know, nine one

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one right away they were able to
get Brian. I don't know what he

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was doing. He was hanging out
whatever, And while Celeste was in the

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ambulance, they brought Brian to her
and she said, yeah, this is

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the guy that attacked me. And
he was charged with aggravated assault. He

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pled guilty and he was sentenced to
the juvenile home until he was eighteen.

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So while he was in the juvie, his mom found some disturbing things in

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his room. Oh boy, there
was pages that detailed the plan he had

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and it was a plan to abduct, rape, dismember young women. On

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it, he talked about kidnapping a
girl, tire up in a truck,

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cutting off her clothes. And his
mother was so upset. She's like,

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when he gets out of the juvenile
home, Uh, he's not coming back

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here right. No. No,
she was worried for her safety and basically

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everybody's safety. I mean, he
wasn't welcomed at her house. So instead

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when he got out, he went
to a halfway house and then he ended

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up living in another house. So
please are you have the cold case team

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and they're investigating the background on Brian
and they find this note I mean ding

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ding ding, yeah, because it
was in his juvenile by right. They're

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like, hmm, yeah, this
is hmm it seems to match. Yeah,

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right, And they noticed the similarities, you know, between Angela and

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Melanie, and they tracked on Brian
Miller. But it wasn't hard to find

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Brian no, no, because he
was the zombie Hunter I know. He

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was a local celebrity who used a
old police car dotty kind of spray painted

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or put blood on that said zombie
Hunter on the back and actually had a

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zombie in the back seat. It
was a dummy, not a real zombie

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weed And he just he wore this
costume all the time. He had this

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persona had a long trench coat,
a helmet, goggles, and a gas

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mask and a fake gatling gun.
Okay, kind of looked like a zooka

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to me. He would go to
comic like comic con, like comic events

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and things like that, and they
had pictures of him with police officers.

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People would get their pictures taken with
Brian. Yeah. They just thought he

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was like the local, the local
kook I guess, right, Like,

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Okay, he was. He was
cosplaying cos playing. Yeah, but he

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that was probably his real persona like
he wanted to be a zombie hounter.

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Yeah, there's no zombies except there. I mean maybe I mean walking dad

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zombies. I don't know. I've
seen some people that look like zombies.

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At the time, when police are
investigating his background, they see that he

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works at Amazon Fulfillment Center and they
decide to trailom because they want to get

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his DNA to see if it Yeah, that's right, to see if it

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matches, right, Yeah, but
they couldn't while they're they just had a

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hard time. So officer Schwartz off
he came up with a plan to get

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Brian's DNA. He noticed that Brian
would always take breaks outside, so he

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approached him and he told Brian that
he worked for security, a security company,

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and some thieves had been stealing goods
from a warehouse across from the Amazon

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warehouse, and the officer asked him
to look at the building while he was

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outside on his brakes, to like
keep an eye, and he agreed.

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So the officer's kind of trying to
be his front. Yeah, okay.

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Then the officer asked him if on
January second, twenty fifteen, if he

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would meet up with him at Chili's
to discuss what. Oh really Brian had

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seen hmm, and just meet at
Chili's Like what tell me, Brian?

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What? Yeah? So what have
you noticed when you take your breaks outside?

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Yeah? He did that. That
would have set off my suspicion,

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right, Like, why do you
want to meet me at Chili's? Like,

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but I mean, this is twenty
fifteen and the first time I'm telling

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you about is nineteen ninety two.
That's true, That's true. So they're

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seated away from everyone else, and
the staff is told to make sure that

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nothing gets contaminated, and the cold
case unit, of course, is behind

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the scenes, ready to bag everything. Brian touches, touches, and there

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was no exception. The offstar was
surprised because he didn't really leave after meeting

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with Brian, that he could possibly
have done it. Brian, it's kind

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of interesting. They did end up
getting his DNA from a cop, but

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Officer Schwartzkoff was convinced that there's just
there's no way Brian could have done it.

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No, he believed he was innocent
because Brian had a fifteen year old

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daughter, he was divorced, and
I'll get into that, and he brought

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his daughter with him, and he
was so nice and so sweet to his

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daughter, and just the way he
acted at lunch. The officer's like,

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no, this cannot be somebody that
like he viscerated. Yeah, right,

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somebody. But eleven days later,
DNA came back and it was a match.

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Wow. He matched both of the
profiles found on Angela and Melanie's bodies

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from nineteen ninety two. And he
was arrested and he was a asked.

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Brian was asked, how did you
you need to get there? And he

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said, I don't see how that's
possible. Yeah, I have no idea,

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no idea, no idea. Okay, yeah, he did not planted

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it. I guess right. He
denied everything and he didn't said he didn't

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do it. There's no way it
wasn't me. Police executed a search warrant

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for Brian's house and they found out
something interesting about Ryan. He's a hoarder.

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Oh no, they couldn't even get
like basically into his house. It

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was so stuffed with what do you
do in that situation when you're the police.

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I know they have a search warrant
and they have a search warrent.

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They're looking for god, you have
to look through all if you're looking like

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what I mean, I've seen or
something right, like oh, I know

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I've seen I've seen it on TV. Like oh no, like where could

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what you're looking for possibly be?
Well, they found like I don't know

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if it was books, but it
was material and satanism, cannibalism, necrophilia,

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there's books about that. I don't
know if it was books, it

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was something. Okay, somehow they
found material, thank you material. I

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mean they never found any bites or
anything. But again, this is from

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nineteen eighty two and this is twenty
fifteen. Brian was interrogated and he mentioned

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you had an ex wife and she
said, he said that it's the one

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person on earth on the face of
the earth I probably hate oh And the

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police were like, ding ding ding, we need to talk to Yeah,

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we need to see what I can't
wait to see what she has to say.

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Right, So, let me tell
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Amy married Brian when she was nineteen, and they were married for a total

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of eight years. They moved to
Everett, Washington for a bit. Let

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me just see that she said some
very bad things about Brian. I'm sure

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she's got some scoop. Yes,
Brian had told her. Okay, so

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listen to this. Brian told her
a story one time about a young girl

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he'd killed in Phoenix. He said
she came to his door and when he

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opened it, he grabbed her,
pulled her into the house, and then

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slid her throat, dismembered her,
and put her remains in the trash,

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and then left her remains on the
curb and the garbage came and picked her

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up. Amy's like, that's a
weird story. Oh, she didn't do

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anything right, Like what, I'm
sure you don't think the person that you

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know, Okay, number one,
this is a weird fucking story to tell

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somebody. But you know, I
mean I wouldn't if my husband told me

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a story like that, I'd be
like, what are you putting me on?

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Or okay, well I would dive
in a little deeper and then like

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did you really do this? I
wouldn't just be like, okay, yeah,

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I have stories too. No,
I don't know if I'd move on,

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but no, no, I don't
know what I would do. We

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not judging her. No, she
didn't report it. She was afraid of

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him, well, because he was
violent. Yeah, I would be afraid

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too. Amy said that Brian never
told her who the girl's name was,

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but they did use this information and
they were able to match up who they

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believe the girl was. And it's
very sad. Wow, they believe it

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was Brandy Myers. She was thirteen
when she went missing. She'd been going

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door to door collecting money for a
school bookathon. Oh. She went missing

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on May twenty six, nineteen ninety
two, and at that point, Brian

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lived one black from her school.
She left home and the early evening never

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returned and she was last seen walking
in the direction of Brian's house. Hmmm,

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yeah, coincidence, I don't think
so. According to her sister,

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Christy Dennis, they only lived three
blocks away from his house and they would

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walk past his house every day and
she was never found, right, she

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was never found. That's so heartbreaking, and I don't think it's just coincidence.

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I don't think it's even though that's
all the evidence you've told me.

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I mean, I mean, yeah, so please believe that Brian told him

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the truth about Randy Myers, but
her body was never found and they never

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had enough evidence too. Became victim
in two thousand and two, Brian was

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in trouble again for attacking another woman. Her name was Melissa Ramirez. She

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was walking down on the street at
night when Brian pulled over to give her

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a ride, and she got into
the car with him because she recognized him.

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He had been talking to one of
her friends before. When she got

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in the car, she told him
she needed to make a call, so

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he said, hey, my work
is right here. You can use my

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work phone. So they go inside. She says that while she's on the

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phone, he left her alone,
and then he just came running with a

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twelve in serrated kitchen knife and stabbed
her in the back. And I don't

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know where he worked at the time. Yeah, they fought for the weapon

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and Melissa managed to escape and call
the police. Okay, so she's called

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the police. The police pick up
Brian. He denies at first like stabbing

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her, but then he says,
no, it was self defense. He

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was at work mining his own business, and Melissa came in and tried to

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rob him, really with a knife. Okay, sure, she's gonna walk

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into a workplace and I don't know. I don't know again where he worked.

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There was no obviously nobody else around, there no witnesses. He was

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charged with first grade assault with a
deadly weapon and he was put in jail

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from May of two thousand and two
till his child, which was in December,

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and he got acquitted because they just
the jury didn't believe Melissa Wow and

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his ex wife Amy said that he
acted started acting in more strange while he

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was in jail. She would receive
letters from him. He's claiming he was

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innocent, but then he would talk
about all these sexual debians and all these

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horrible sexual things he was going to
do to her. She told the police

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that he opened up to her and
said as a child, his mother had

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been abusive, and she believes that
he was trying to what's the word create

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a sort of defense for the murders
he did by starting to blame his mom

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for making him mentally ill. Okay, it took eight years for after Brian

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was arrested for the murders. We're
talking about that he actually ended up being

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charged and not long and the trial
the trial start starting. Yeah, it

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began on October third. I don't
know why, I know, because,

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Okay, if you get arrested and
you wait eight years for a trial.

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That's really that doesn't go along with
having a speedy trial. No, I

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think it was eight years after he
was arrested, not I thing about it

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for the and then acquitted for that. One of my bad He was charged

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with first screen murder, to count
of kidnapping, to counts of sexual assault

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in the death of Angela or So
and Melanie Burness. The trial is October

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third, twenty two and it lasted
eight months. Damn, that's a very

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long trial. It's a super long
Imagine being on the jury. Oh man,

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on the jury, which I have
jury duty tomorrow. I hope you

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don't get an eight month trial.
The hell would I do? Know,

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that's horrible. I mean, it's
part of the process. We need people

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to service jurors. But that's all. That's a really, really, really

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long time. So they opted for
a bench trial, okay, they didn't

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want a jury, Yeah, and
Judge Suzanne Cohen presided over it. Brian's

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attorney shocked everybody with his opening argument, admitting that his client was the canal

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murderer. Really now, but he
was not guilty because he was insane.

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Okay, he was insane at the
time of the murder. For decades.

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Okay, because I have more.
There are more unsolved cases that I'm going

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to go over. He suffered physical, emotional, and psychological abuse by his

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mother Ellen, as a child,
and that led to his violent behavior.

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His dad had died in a motorcycle
accident when he was little, and Brian's

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mom died in twenty ten, So
like she can't defend herself. Yeah,

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it's an easy way to blame someone
when they're no longer here. Yeah.

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He claims that she beat them when
he was five, and he said,

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quote, she used her security belt
because she worked in law enforcement and I

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usually got hit with the buckles.
Oh. They interviewed neighbors and friends and

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they did kind of agree that he
was like an unwanted guest at the house.

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Oh that's not good. But this
is no defense to me. Yeah,

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I mean viciously murdering someone, dismembering
them, and no sexually assaulting them

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after their dad. So, a
psychologist, her name was Bethany Brand,

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testified that Brian developed a condition known
as dissociative amnesia. Oh okay, and

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inability to remember some traumatic events,
such as when he murdered. Oh really,

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he can't remember that? Okay?
Sure, he doesn't remember that.

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He does remember the ones that lived. Yes, okay, he remembers what

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he did, is you denile?
But he can't remember anything about the murders.

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The prosecutors called his ex wife Amy
to the stand, and she testified

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about their marriage and how he just
got really violent during sex. He would

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tire up, he would use needles
on her without her consent, but she

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never told anybody or complained because she
was afraid of him. And she said

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about probably ninety five percent of the
time they had sex, he was extremely

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violent with her. And he got
custody of their daughter. Yeah, I

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don't know. Wow, that's crazy. So there was, you know,

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that eight month trial and there was
a verdant the defense had, you know,

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asked for leniency they found him guilty. I was gonna say, if

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you tell me that they found him
not guilty, I'm going to we would

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dorm out of here right now.
No, okay, he was fund guilty

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in his council who is R.
J. Parker asked for leniency, but

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the judges like fuck that. Yeah. Now. In June of two of

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twenty twenty three, he received two
death sentences for the first degree murder of

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Angela Husso and Melanie Burness. Oh
good. He also got twenty four years

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for kidnapping and attempted to sexual assaults. And anyway, he's on death row

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at the Demon Prison Complex in Lawrence, Arizona, and he complained. He

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says, it's not all that bad. It's better than jail. The people

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on death row are actually less scary
than the people in jail. But he

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doesn't really like the accommodation. Well, that's unfortunate. I'm so sorry.

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Your jail cell is not a luxury
hotel room. And I can't end this

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story without talking about Adrian Salinas.
Okay, okay. Adrian Selenas is an

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unsolved murder case. She was a
nineteen year old student who went to Gateway

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College in Tempe, Arizona, and
she disappeared on June fifteenth of twenty thirteen.

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That night, Adrian and her roommates
had this big party. There were

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like forty people there and it's just
an apartment, so I mean it's a

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big party. During that party,
Adrian and her boyfriend, whom she'd been

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dating since childhood. His name was
Francisco. They got into a fight and

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he eventually left the party. Adrian
went to her room and kind of kept

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herself. But then she decided.
She was texting with Francisco, you know,

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back and forth because her fighting,
and she says, I'm gonna come

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over to your house and he's like
me, right, we're fighting. But

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she gets in her car and she
drives and she's only a couple of blocks

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away from her apartment when she hits
something. And I'm not sure what she

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hit. It wasn't another car.
There's one car accident and it just there's

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these pictures where you can see her
rims, her rims are all messed up

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on the right side, and she
gets two flat tires. Oh. So

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she walks back to the apartment,
goes through the party, and she's texting

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Francisco, and eventually she tells him, I'm gonna take a cab and come

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to your house. Oh she's determined. Yeah, yeah, she's determined to

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get like bitch your mount in person. And I don't I don't want to

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imply that she had drinks, but
it does seem like she might have been

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that it's a party and she crashed
a car, and but it either way,

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it doesn't matter. Yeah, she
calls a cab and asks the cab

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driver to meet her a quarter mile
away at this convenience store. I don't

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know exactly why, but she packs
a little bag, goes to the party,

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and walks towards the convenience store,
and you can they have video surveillance

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of her at four point fifty two
walking towards the convenience store. In the

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interim, she's texting Francisco over and
over again. But I think he was

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asleep at the time. He had
eleven text messages from four to fifteen to

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I'm sorry, yeah, four fifteen
to four fifty three. The cab driver

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texts her. They say, cab
driver, I don't think they had an

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UBER back then, did they.
I don't know it, says cab driver.

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I mean that's what the research I
saw. Says Hey, I'm here,

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and she's like, I'm almost here, Like they're texting, and he

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waits and she doesn't show up.
He calls her phone, the cab driver.

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It's like fourteen minutes later, and
her phone is off. M wow,

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and she never shows up. Oh
that's crazy then. And this was

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in June, right June fifteenth.
Her family's looking for her dad, Ricky.

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He's looking for her. It's all
over the news. I mean,

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she was a responsible student and she
just disappeared. She didn't even have her

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purse or keys with her. She
took a cab. August ninth, there's

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this man and he owns a lot
of property in the desert. His name

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is Dan Kelly. There was this
huge flood, like a rainstorm that caused

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flooding, and then when the flooding
ended, he wanted to check out his

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property and he's walking through it and
it's acres and acres and he sees vultures,

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lots of vultures swarming this area and
on the ground. And he gets

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there and he sees a decomposed body
and this body is missing its limbs and

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the head is removed, and it's
later determined through DNA that it's Adrian's body,

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but they couldn't state the cause of
death. They couldn't tell if she

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was intentionally dismembered. But this is
what's interesting about it. Zombie hunter Brian.

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His Facebook posts showed that he was
at a party less than a mile

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away from Adrian's house that night,
and he said that he planned ongoing on

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an early morning hike. Really,
yeah, that seems kind of wincidental wincidental.

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I don't know, but a lot
of people believe that she probably was

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dismembered and decapitated. Wow, and
it really probably him, It was probably

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him. Yeah, he's never admitted
to anything, right, well, I

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mean besides the trial where he said, they said that he did kill the

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two women, but he's never admitted
to anything else. Right, He never

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admitted to Brandy. I mean,
he only admitted to something, to things

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he knew he had to admit to. Right. Oh, anyway, that

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so her case remains unsolved, but
they think he probably was the killer.

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Yeah, I do too. There, I'm just going to say it.

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They believe that her body was perhaps
somewhat buried in this desert area, and

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then the flooding unburied it, moved
it out towards the open. Oh sad.

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It's terrible. Yeah. Yeah,
I wonder how many victims. I

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wonder how many women he actually did
kill. I mean, if you think

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about it, he started when he
was like fourteen, fifteen sixteen, So

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she don't go like your first person, you're going to dismember and you work

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your way up. Yeah, you
work your way up. I think,

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I mean, I think, I
mean I don't know. I've never mean

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yeah, I mean, I don't
know, but I'm assuming that you know

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that's not something that you do.
And he had that list when he was,

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yeah, a little free. When
he's he's like sixteen, of all

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these things you wanted to do.
So I've been thinking about it a long

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time. Why wouldn't you have it? Yeah, acted on it more.

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I'm sure there's more out there.
I'm sure there is. He could have

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went to another state. Who knows, right, who knows? That's very

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sad. I'm so sorry. So
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