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Welcome back in to join the ranks. Everybody your Dynasty Rankings podcast for the

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Dynasty Guru, where we chat fantasy
baseball and you go win some cake.

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I am Taylor Case, your tired, friendly neighborhood dynasty dad, and as

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always I am joined by the preeminent
Dynasty philosophizer himself, mister Joe Guarino.

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And today is a good day to
talk about some baseball. We're mostly talking

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rankings again. Today We've got an
excellent guest. We uh well self so

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self proclaimed, i should say,
the guy who Baseball Savant was named after.

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I'm very excited to have him on. Very smart dude, sparks quiet,

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a bit of good conversation in our
TG slack as well, so I

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think this is going to be a
great pod. His name is Aaron Coming.

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Aaron. How you doing today,
man, I'm doing well. Thanks

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for having me on, absolutely,
Thanks for bearing with me through the scheduling.

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As I say every time, it
is not easy to schedule three grown

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people sometimes across three time zones,
because time zones just don't work properly in

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my head sometimes especially and Joe's too
wet, we get messed up sometimes.

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So thanks for bearing with us,
and thanks thanks for being here for my

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pleasure show rundown today, same kind
of stuff we did with Sam last time,

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just some general takeaways from our consensus. I forgot last time to actually,

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you know, list out our players. You know, I had a

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time and the consensus to kind of
give you a sneak peek general takeaways or

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so I'll do that today general takeaways, hot takes because Risers Risky is top

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fifteen, and then we'll finished up
with anybody else that we have missed or

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we may have missed along the way. But because we haven't done this and

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we haven't done it a whole lot
lately, I'm just gonna check in with

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you guys, make sure everybody's been
good. It's like this year is going

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okay, Joe time you're chiming in
there. I haven't actually asked you how

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you're doing yet, have I did? I skip that? Yes, you

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did, but I am I did. How are you doing? Man?

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I am doing very well. M
okay. I just had a very nice

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weekend and got to, you know, relax after a stressful week at work.

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I've got a stressful week ahead of
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it will be over and that will
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nice lately. Sorry you had a
stressful week. Did everybody have a stressful

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week last week? Seems like it. First week of the year is always

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hard. Everyone's got their gears resolutions
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so everyone's trying pretty hard except for
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me. I'm like, I'm going
to work the exact same I have the

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exact same amount of motivation as I
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instead, now everyone else around me
just has more motivation. So yeah,

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well, when you were already at
Max's effort, it's tough to go up

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from me exactly. Yeah. Oh
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year for Joe. Yeah, napscent
all Yeah, you're a nap guy.

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Huh oh. I love to nap. It's one of my favorite things.

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That's why you never text me back. Yeah. I'm also just really bad

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at texting. I'm one of those
people. I know I am as a

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person. I'm chronically late and bad
at texting. I'm one of those people,

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and I'm very I'm very aware of
it, and um, it's just

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how I am. It's how i'n't
hold that against you. Yeah, thank

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you, Taylor. Um. Some
people get on my case about it,

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but I'm just like, well,
okay, you're probably bad at something too.

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I don't know what it is.
You're probably bad is that? What

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is that? What you say to
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oh, yeah, well, um, you're bad at you know,

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bowling? Sorry? Mom? Yeah? Sorry? Mom gets he's out and

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text her back too, And that's
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more on me, but we'll see. I know my mom is the is

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the same way, and I try
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but sometimes sometimes it's not fast enough. It is what it is.

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Okay, we've checked in with everybody. Anybody else, everybody's every Aaron,

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you're your How is your first week? My first week was pretty good.

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I'm I'm a huge fan of New
Year's Actually, it's easily my favorite holiday.

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I like the sentiment of a fresh
start with everything, so I'm usually

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pretty bubbly the first week of the
year, and this year is no different.

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Feeling good despite everything else going on, looking forward to all the possibilities

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that twenty twenty two holds. Nice. I like that. Yeah, it's

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a good it's a it's always a
fun holiday in the case household as well.

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You got do you have any resolutions? No? Much the same is

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Joe. I was pretty much perfect
ending twenty twenty one, so you really

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no really no need to try to. If it ain't broke, don't fix

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it, you know. Oh wow, you guys are my freaking heroes.

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You guys are my heroes. You
have to teach me that by the end

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of the year. You're gonna have
to teach me that because my my expectations

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were high going. I mean,
we achieved a lot last year as well,

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but I think I had a weird
a weird I don't know if like

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expectations really high, and then I
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I've crashed this weekend. So I
gotta I gotta work on that for next

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week peak performance we're all striving for. Anyway, Let's get to some consensus

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rankings and let me see if I
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I think it is important too.
At least list off, you know,

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the top ten, top fifteen or
so before we actually do these takeaways.

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People actually kind of know what we're
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now, and I think they or
fifteen, sixteen, maybe seventeen writers that

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contributed to the consensus rankings for second
basemen this year, and what we came

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out with when Keaton ran all of
his numbers was Albi's at one semi and

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at two, Brandon Low at three, Jonathan India four, I'll two Va

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five, Chisel or Jazz at six, Maryfield to seven, Corona Worth eight,

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Nick York nine, Jorge Polanco ten, Bruhan Levin, Edmund at twelve,

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Gorman at thirteen, Luis Garcia at
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fifteen. I'm not going to go
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enough just as a framework reference there, so everybody listening can kind of,

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you know, beyond the fringe and
formulate their own opinions if you haven't gone

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to the site to read everything yet, which I encourage you to do as

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soon as possible. After looking at
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from the list as a whole eron
I'll start with you, yeah, going

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through and looking at the consensus and
my own per snow ranks, and then

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digging into the categorical stats for everybody. It's surprising how little batting average there

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is at the top. So historically, obviously, batting average is taking a

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hit overall in the game. But
second base used to be what I waited

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on and snagged a batting average guy
at the end of the draft to just

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fill in my needs based on everything
else that was going on. But now

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there's really nobody like that. I
mean, you've got at two Vight,

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he hit two seventy eight last year. Maryfield was two seventy seven. But

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in our ranks, you've got to
go all the way down to Nick Madrigal

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at number seventeen to find anybody else
that hit above two seventy the top of

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the top of the ranks, there
is just it's not going to prop you

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up like it has in years passed. Yeah, it's a little top heavy

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in that regard. Definitely, I'm
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Well, maybe I'm not. Maybe
I just complain did that. But

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do you guys reach for second baseman
like I don't. I feel like I

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never draft a second baseman before,
Like I don't know, the eleventh twelfth

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round in drafts, I just wait
and wait and wait because I just don't.

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I don't know. I like you're
saying here, I don't expect all

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that much and doesn't seem like you're
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like batting average. You guys agree
with that generally. Yeah. Yeah,

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Actually the past few years, I've
been a big supporter of taking Outbis,

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but he's obviously earned the reputation where
I mean, he's number one on our

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list again here and in redraft.
He's been getting propped up now that he's

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a first borderline first round or easily
second round pick. So I might end

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up steering away from taking somebody early, but he was just such an excellent

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five category contributor that I would prop
him up quite a bit. Yeah,

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he's he might be the exception for
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end of the first or the set
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I think I agree with you.
I just haven't really, I just

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haven't really seen that. I haven't
done too many drafts, to be quite

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honest, so far. Maybe or
a couple best ball, Yeah, I

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haven't. I haven't been in that
position yet. Keep an eye out.

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What about you, Joe, Yeah, Well, like last season, um,

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I kind of actually found myself edending
up with like Josel Tube in a

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lot of leagues, just because I
really liked his value that you could get

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him at like last year after he
was coming off of poor twenty twenty,

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and I think with like the Astroist
cheating scandal, people just got soured of

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him as well as just like overtime
players that have been around for a while

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aren't the hot thing anymore and so
they don't get like the limelight, I

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guess. But Altoba was great,
Like dude played almost played like every game

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and had like thirty home runs,
stole a couple of bases. You know.

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I mean, I think I'm good. Later I'm going to talk about

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him more. But I think that
he's, you know, at least on

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our list, like pretty undervalued.
So I found myself taking him in a

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lot of leagues last year and hopefully
again this year if people are going to

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keep undervaluing him. I also,
I'm like, I don't know, I

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just don't really like the guy,
Like I'm not in love with the guys

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at the top here, like even
like Brandon Loo at like three, like

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that dude can't hit lefties. It's
not that he can't like he's an above

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average hitter against lefties, but just
barely, and they don't really play him

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against them. So like, I
don't know out of like a player who's

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like you're gonna be taking inside the
top one hundred, and they're just not

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gonna play pretty much against an entire
type of pitcher that's pretty rough and it's

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hard to recoup that value versus taking
a guy like India or Marrifield are grown

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and worth. I think I'd rather
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I know that he's gonna you know, I know that those guys are gonna

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be playing against lefties and righties,
and you know, loo isn't I agree

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with you there? I ranked I
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we have him in the consensus as
well. I liked the other guys a

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little bit more. Um yeah,
Indian Semi and Maryfield, Chisholm and cronin

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Worth. Maybe I just don't know
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do about those other guys, and
I'm not sure I've rostered him before.

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To go along with what you were
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Griff, my brother is writing about
him in the in the comments, and

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he's gonna I don't think his comment
right up is I don't want to say

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it's not nice, but it's he's
he's the same. He's not very high

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on Lao going into this season.
He said. He texted me or he

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texted everybody and was like, so, I feel kind of weird doing this

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to a guy who we have at
number three, but I don't really like

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him all that much. So he
kind of agrees with you. Yeah,

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I think that, like you know, when you look at the aggregate of

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like what you're going to get out
of him just off of right, he's

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like he's so good against right he's
that it doesn't really matter how bad he

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is against lefties or that he's not
going to play. But like on like

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a season long basis, I feel
like you're going to get a much like

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lower variability from like India or like
Maryfield or Corona Worth like I was saying,

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or even guys like Jorge Polanco.
I think there's an argument for where

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like these are guys where they're gonna
have a lot higher over the floor.

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Like if you remember, like the
first half of last year, law was

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awful and it was really like a
really good second half which propelled his season

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and like actually saved it. And
I feel like if he, you know,

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wasn't as good as he was in
the second half, we wouldn't be

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talking about him the way we are
now. Uh. Yeah, that's always

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a tough thing to analyze for me, because like, you can't just take

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away a second half, right.
Normally I would look at a strong second

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half and say, like, Okay, he did that, it's there,

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and maybe that momentum can carry him
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That doesn't always happen, but yeah, that's that's tough for me too.

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Yeah, what do you think year, We're go ahead? Joe. Sorry,

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I'm actually a big loud proponent.
Joe kind of hinted at it,

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just because even if he doesn't play
against lefties, all that's doing is taking

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out the bottom fifteen percent of his
performances. So, yeah, you're you're

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getting fewer plate appearances, but the
level of those plate appearances is easily top

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five. And he's a few years
younger than some of those other guys too,

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not that it's a huge difference,
but he is going to be twenty

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seven next year. But thirty nine
home runs last year. I mean that's

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it was second at the position,
just behind Semion. So it's it's tough

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to argue with that kind of power
output. That's very true. Agreed.

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Yeah, that's pretty sexy. I
mean almost forties. It's really nice.

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Sense really and he could easily I
feel like he could. You know,

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I don't know about Semion's forty five. The repeatability of that. That's that's

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a lot of home runs. I
would think, yeah, sure, yeah,

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So I mean law could easily be
the leader in twenty twenty two.

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So who knows? Who knows who? Seems like we're a little split on

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them. Oh that's good that it's
gonna make our our listeners think a little

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bit. I like that. I'm
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don't have I don't have too many
complaints about this list M Like I hinted

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that earlier. I just I don't
know why. I just kind of I

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wait on this position. If I'm
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lot of second basement I go out
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on mid round guys, and then
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and even dynasty leagues as well,
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it's just not a position I necessarily
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next segment here, let's Joe,
let's go to you. Let's get let's

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talk about some hot take here.
Anybody have any any hot takes in the

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rankings or on the consensus that we
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were a couple of people like this
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al twove that had him outside of
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multiple people to the point to where
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second baseman after what he just did
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like we can't we think of him
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he's like only five months older than
Marcus Semion, who we have, you

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know, three spots higher at number
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season, they had the same WRC
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for Semion, so only one percentage
off in like, you know, a

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pretty solid indicator of future hitting,
and you know, you might get more

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stolen bases out of Semion, But
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to project, Semi and going to
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and going to Texas, and he's
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for hitting as opposed to Altuve,
who's staying in the same very solid Astro's

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lineup, which is just the best
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know he's playing at a great park. So like, you know what you're

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going to get out of Altuve and
Semi. And I think we've seen like

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what his ceiling might be and we're
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Semi in moving forward as we have
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like Altuve, as you can see, matched his production or at least close

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to it, and you can get
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a lot cheaper, but just like
a lot lower in drafts. Yeah,

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it seems like even more so,
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of he's a little volatile right now. He really dropped last year and now

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he's bounced back up, but he's
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value pick of this top ten um. I don't know what it is about.

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And maybe, you know, we
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about this in the TDG slack the
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to something with him, that there's
something about him I don't like, or

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I think he's just gonna fall off
the table. I know he rebounded last

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year, you know, just just
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prior to twenty twenty one, I
think looking at Al two Bay, I

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saw an you know, an increasing
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to sell out for power, which
which really wasn't a huge detriment to his

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game, but I saw that to
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harbinger the word an omen an ill
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wasn't sure when all of a sudden
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homers were gonna not come. And
he proved me wrong. And I still

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I ranked him probably too. I
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you're right, he could he could. Yeah, he could be. He's

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a he's a candidate top three you
know year any year out it seems like

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that, and that I think I
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it right now, Yeah, where
are you at on him? Yeah?

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Go ahead, Joe, Yeah,
like I have him ranked at three.

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I have n't. I think that
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But when I have my projections for
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looking at like, who's going to
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projecting out by points, Alice Huve
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I think that's just an indicator of
like how good he still is and how

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good he should be, like according
to the projections, and how well he

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played last season. Yeah, yeah, you're right, he's very good.

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I mean he's all over I don't
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He's anywhere from three to ten on
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or on the rankings as a group. Aaron, I don't see your rankings

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on here. Are they not on
this They're not on this list? Mine

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mine did not get in there.
That's correct, So my my top five

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though obviously Albi's at one, and
I agree with Joe that Indian too,

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but i'd have Lao then Semi and
and then I do have l two of

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a right where our consensus is at
five. It's tough. It's tough for

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me to say that someone who's going
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underrated when he's number five in our
consensus rankings. But a lot of Joe's

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points hold true, especially with how
we're valuing Semi and now that he's moving

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and things like that. But to
push back on Taylor, why you had

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kind of been down on him a
little bit, You're right that his strikeout

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rates were going up, but they
ballooned all the way up to just eighteen

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percent in twenty twenty, So even
a career high is still well below league

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average. Yeah, and even if
you sign up for power, it's the

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same thing when Bregman in that ballpark
hit forty plus home runs. Their swings

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are tailor made for where they're playing
eighty games, so it's it's a perfect

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fit to just get the ball in
the air and pull it and just try

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to yank it and get it into
those Crawford boxes there. So I don't

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blame him for that. I think
it's a smart strategy and obviously it paid

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off. He at thirty one home
runs last year, bouncing back from the

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down year. But I still do
have Semion ahead of him, just because,

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yeah, L two ways men,
maybe a little bit more consistent over

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his career since he broke out,
but before the down twenty twenty season for

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semi and he was a top three
finisher for MVP in twenty nineteen. It's

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it's not like he had some sluggish
career or has been all over the place

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or anything like that. He's he
was an MVP caliber player two years ago,

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he was an MVP caliber player this
past year, so I don't have

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any doubts about his skills maintaining.
And yeah, the Rangers weren't a great

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team, but Semion wasn't the only
person they added. They also added another

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potential MVP candidate in Corey Seegers,
so he's gonna have some up and comers

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around him. It's not going to
be the Toronto lineup Banning means, but

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he's still a viable player and he's
a cross category contributor too, so I'm

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a big fan of having him up
there top five. I agree with you,

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and to me, the difference in
like four or five steals from Altuve

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and fifteen from Semi and it is
kind of is kind of a big deal

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considering how few people, how few
players get to that number nowadays. In

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my opinion, I'm going to feel
like that's rare. So that adds him

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as well, and I have him
at three. I have I think I

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have, let me look at that
Albie's India semi and as well, and

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then, like I said, al
Tube should be up higher. But I

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have him at ten right now because
that's a good and because that and that's

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a good point eighteen percent or whatever
quote unquote his strikeout right balloon too.

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It's a very small balloon, better
than most other you know, players in

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the entire league, to be quite
honest, Um excellent. Uh, let's

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hear a hot tag from you,
Aaron, Well, you had kind of

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hinted at it before, but with
consensus rankings, it's tough to have any

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quote unquote hot hot takes, any
individual hot takes just could kind of washed

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out in the aggregate. But one
thing that I noticed was going into twenty

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twenty one, we had Nick Gonzalez
as our number nine second baseman and played

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eighty games his past year, played
very well, and now we dropped him

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down to number fifteen, and for
me, I just don't see it.

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He was awesome college hitter, excellent
hit tool, people question the power,

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and then he hit eighteen home runs
in those eighty games in his pro debut,

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totally backed up the power surge that
he saw at the end of his

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college career and what justified him being
a top ten pick in the MLB draft.

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And it just doesn't make any sense
to me that we dropped him with

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other performances not living up to the
hype from some people above him. I

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think I think he's easily top ten, if not pushing it on the top

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five. Honestly, I agree with
you. I agree with that top five

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is tough, but I think I
think I have him at ten or eleven,

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and I think that's where he needs
to he needs to be close to

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that. He Yeah, he what
did He didn't do anything wrong? In

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fact, he he excelled. I
don't know. Maybe maybe we had him

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higher last year and there was just
like some hype, you know, maybe

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there was some Twitter hype about him
or something. Yeah, that's that's that's

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hard to understand because I'm looking at
his stats right now. Three zero two

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and three hundred and seventy plate appearances, batting average and in High A.

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And then he batted three eighty in
the Arizona Fall League. I mean,

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what the heck? One nine fifty
ops this year. Yeah, he's going

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to be He's going to be a
good player. I've spoken, I think

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i've I wrote about him a while
back, and I spoke highly about him

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on a conversation I have with somebody
on Twitter a while ago. He's one

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of my favorite second basemen in the
aim right now, he's not even.

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He's not even, I should say, in the miners right now. Um,

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yeah, go ahead, Eric,
Yeah, he h. So in

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our red Ups, I had forty
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and I wrote up to Cupedo Marcano, who's in the Pirate system,

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and I basically just used it to
talk about how much I love Nick Gonzalez.

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So nice. Hey, I'm a
Marcano fan as well. He was,

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He's a former Padre. I don't
know. It doesn't sound like you're

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necessarily a fan of him. He's
he's a he's a Nick Madrigal light light

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type exactly. He's got a great
he's got a great, great hit tool.

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Um, he had a little bit
of a power of surge in U

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in college, but nothing to speak
of once he hit the majors. Actually,

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his on base percentage outpaces his slugging
percentage as a pro, So I

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don't think he's necessarily going to have
the breakout he needs to have. Yeah,

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right, I still hope he's somebody
to keep an eye on it.

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And he's got an eighty grade name. But yeah, he's hasn't hasn't worked

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out yet. I hope he shows
next year. He shows up. My

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maybe this is yeah, I think
this is a hot take. I have

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Felix Valerio at eighteen, and the
consensus has him at thirty seven, and

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there have been for a couple of
different reasons. Um, he he got,

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he came onto my radar, he
got he was on my radar him

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a couple of months ago. I
think Jordan on a Dynasty's Child episode brought

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him up as his top Pods pick. So I started following along because it

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feels like anytime Jordan predicts anybody's going
to be pretty good using his Major League

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Equivalency program and stats article that he
writes every once in a while, I

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like my ears perk up and I
followed him since then, and I really,

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I really like it a lot.
I really like his game a lot,

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almost a one to one walk to
strikeout ratio, a really good above

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average hitter in in in a ball
one forty nine WRC plus and then high

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a one thirteen, which is pretty
solid things things. There's obviously an adjustment

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period when he was called up,
but across those two levels eleven home runs

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and thirty one steals. And I
know the rules are a little bit different

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in the lower miners right now when
steals some kind of take that with a

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grain of salt. I just really
like this kind of profile, especially if

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he can get I don't know,
maybe he puts on put on a little

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bit of muscle and start hitting at
a couple more home runs. He's somebody

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I'm gonna be keeping a close eye
on next year as well. He's twenty

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one already. I don't know what
his when his estimated cup of coffee is

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obviously stills a couple of levels to
go, but he's definitely somebody you need

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to keep an eye on. Uh
he we're talking about Marcano a second ago.

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He's kind of like Marcano, but
can actually he can actually hit a

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few homers, like he's got some
of that projectability there, I think.

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Um, I'm trying to look through
where do you do you have him ranked,

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Joe Um? I only did thirty
rankings, but he would probably be

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ranked on wait forty, Um,
he would probably be on there for me

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umb forty range for me. Um. I don't know about eighteen. I

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like him. Um, but you
have down here that he's like Nick Madrigal

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with more pop, and you say, could be. I want to let

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you know that Nick Madrigal with pop
is just Mike Trout, not not like

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not like Mike Trout pop, but
like like ten to fifteen home runs pop

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and then and then a really solid
you know, two ninety two eighty to

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two ninety average. I like that. Yeah, I mean I think he's

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got a good profile. I like
the hit tool. Um. That's like

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that's about it. Though. That's
like very it's like a very one dimensional

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game. But I don't think it
could be. I don't think it's that

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bad for like a second baseman who
could give like high average. Maybe he's

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David Fletcher. That would be really
good. Dad. We're about to get

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into that. Oh my God,
all right, let's yeah, let's do

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it. Let's let's go. I
mean, so David Fletcher and Herman Marquez

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Jesus every time? Okay, every
time? Who then, obviously you know

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how this goes, Joe. Everybody
listening you probably know as well, who's

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gonna who's gonna take the jump next
year that we're not talking about enough in

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the thirtiesh range and the lower who's
gonna jump back up and be relevant again?

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And please explain to me why it's
David Fletcher. Joe. All right.

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So first I'm going to preface this
by saying that there's, um,

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there's an episode of the Office where
Ryan he had like just become like the

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one of like the bosses, and
he's like back talking to all the characters

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and he's asking Kelly, who he
used to date for those of you who

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are not familiar with the show,
and he goes, do you have a

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question, Kelly? And she goes, yeah, I have a lot of

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questions. Number one, how dare
you? And that was what I thought

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when I saw that we have David
Fletcher ranked as the number twenty eight second

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baseman twenty eight for David Fletcher,
Are you kidding me, guys, Come

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on, where what are we doing? We have one Sigura ahead of him,

412
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one Sigura? Are you serious?
Like, it's just crazy to me.

413
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We have like all of these guys
that are just like, you know,

414
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close to out of baseball ahead of
a guy who could be hitting in

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front of Mike Trout and Showhyotani,
who's got like one of the best hit

416
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tools in baseball? Are we kidding? Guys? Like? What are we

417
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doing? But what? Okay,
let's take a step back. That was

418
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that. I hear you loud and
clear. I want you to know that

419
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I hear you. Okay, But
what is it? What isn't one dimensional

420
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about David Fletcher's play? I mean
it's batting average, right, there's so

421
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one he's super one dimensional. But
he gets to hit in front of Mike

422
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Trout and show hey Otani and he's
got like a In twenty twenty and twenty

423
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nineteen he had a ninety he had
above a ninetieth percentile x batting average,

424
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and even in twenty twenty one,
which was bad, but I just think

425
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it was a weird bab appear for
him. It was still seventy seven,

426
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which is still pretty good, and
he's gonna get on bass and he's going

427
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to score a bunch of runs,
and he's gonna steal some basses, and

428
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he's gonna hit for a high batting
average, and like like we were saying

429
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earlier, it's kind of hard to
find like a you know, a high

430
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batting average player at second base towards
the top of the list. And if

431
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people are going to value David Fletcher
and like what he brings to the table

432
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at twenty eight below, some of
these guys that are like just afterthoughts on

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their own teams, not even on
nasy teams, but on their own teams.

434
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I mean, you know, gimme, gimme that's great, like good

435
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for me, but it's just ridiculous
season. I just one bad season though

436
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I was just looking at his WRC
pluses. I don't know about one bad

437
00:31:17.720 --> 00:31:21.720
season. But he's not a he's
not an unproductive hitter. I'm gonna need

438
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you to be the tiebreaker here,
Aaron on David Fletcher. I have never

439
00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:33.599
and will never rostered David Fletcher.
It's it's such a boring profile, Like

440
00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:37.720
so the things that he does and
the opportunity has I get your points,

441
00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:44.119
but Um, the only way he's
batting ahead of Mike Trout and Showeo Tony

442
00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:47.559
is when he's in the eight or
nine hole in the lineup turns over.

443
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He's not going He's not He's not
going to be their leadoff hitter. He's

444
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not one of their best four hitters
to put at the front of that lineup.

445
00:31:57.480 --> 00:32:00.359
Um. I'm sure they're going to
rotate him in and out and he'll

446
00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:05.480
get he'll get starts there, but
with everybody healthy, when he was getting

447
00:32:05.480 --> 00:32:07.799
starts there, they didn't have a
healthy Render and they didn't have a healthy

448
00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:14.039
Trout. It just it wasn't a
major league lineup that he was hitting leadoff

449
00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:17.400
in front of. So when everybody
comes back, I sincerely doubt he'll be

450
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in the top half. Um,
he did show more speed than he had

451
00:32:22.119 --> 00:32:25.920
in the past. I think twenty
twenty one he doubled his career steals,

452
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So that's a little bit something that
to be optimistic for. But for me,

453
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the empty batting average just isn't going
to do it, because if he

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does end up in the back half
of that lineup, the counting stats aren't

455
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going to be there to make him
a viable option. Guys are thank you,

456
00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:47.240
thank you, Eron. That was
that was very well said Eron.

457
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He's risky. No, I'm not
saying he's bad. I'm not saying he's

458
00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:54.920
a bad hitter. I just I
just in comparison to other guys around there,

459
00:32:57.240 --> 00:32:59.480
I just don't I just don't see
it. I think I have him

460
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at number thirty five or thirty six, and I think you're right, Aaron.

461
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:07.240
I think the lineup concerns are real. He had almost four hundred plate

462
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appearances in the you know, as
the leadoff hit or last year. But

463
00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:15.359
you know they didn't have a full
team, like you said, you know,

464
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with the full teams he fit.
So I have a I think there's

465
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a good measure. I think the
opening day lineup is a good way to

466
00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:28.319
look at and say, like,
what is their picture for like a pretty

467
00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:31.720
good lineup and assuming good health.
Obviously, if you look at last season

468
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first game of the year for the
Angels, their lineup went Fletcher one,

469
00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:42.079
trout or Otani two trout, three, Rendon four, okay, and he

470
00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:49.480
hit in the leadoff spot from that
day all the way until Tuesday five eleven,

471
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so over a month when he got
a day off, and then he

472
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was back in the leadoff spot.
I'm just and I know that they do.

473
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They move him around. He's gonna
hit nine or he's gonna hit one.

474
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But like you were saying, he
hit in the leadoff spot last year

475
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for the Angels more than any other
player, and I don't see like how

476
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Otani, Trout or Rendone are not
going to be hitting in the middle of

477
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the lineup. I know they were
playing around with Otani in the leadoff spot,

478
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but like you were saying, that
was when the lineup was weird and

479
00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:20.440
the Angels weren't good. And even
after towards the end of the season,

480
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they went away from Otani hitting leadoff
and went back to Fletcher hitting leadoff.

481
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So I don't see how he's not
going to be there or expects to be

482
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there, considering that was where he
hit more often than not last season.

483
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And I think that if we're looking
for like lineup considerations, the Angels haven't

484
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added anybody that's particularly compelling to hit
leadoff versus them. I mean, what

485
00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:44.480
do you expect Fletcher or Brandon Marsh
to be hitting there this upcoming season.

486
00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:46.920
I don't think it would be Marsh
after how bad he played in the second

487
00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:52.719
half. Yeah, he feels like
back half or six seven type. Yeah,

488
00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:55.960
that's a good that's a good counter. That's a good that's a good

489
00:34:55.960 --> 00:35:00.480
point. That's a good point.
And maybe his babbit go was back up

490
00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:02.079
again. I don't. I mean, he's he's not a slow guy,

491
00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:07.920
right, and he's kind of he's
just a little slappy. But I I

492
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don't know to me. To me, it seems risky, but it seems

493
00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:17.360
like a good opportunity though he's what
is it risky at twenty eight? No,

494
00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:21.639
that's what I was about to say. Thought at that spot, maybe

495
00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:24.719
maybe it's not Where did we have
him in twenty going into twenty twenty one

496
00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:30.440
that I'm not sure. I don't
even know that we I don't even know

497
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that we had him. We think
we might have had him at another position

498
00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:38.800
or something. I think we had
ah see that would explain it. Yes,

499
00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:44.039
while we had him at number thirty
eight a short stop last year or

500
00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:46.239
two, there's a lot more projects
to deal with him that one. Yeah,

501
00:35:46.440 --> 00:35:51.559
something, but but look at look
at TDG ahead of the game there,

502
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:55.920
all right, Aaron, let's hear
let's hear from you man, where

503
00:35:57.440 --> 00:36:01.840
who it's going to take a huge
jump next year, just behind Fletcher a

504
00:36:01.840 --> 00:36:06.800
couple of spots in our consensus rankings. At thirty one, we've got Nick

505
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:12.920
Solak, and I will fully admit
he disappointed me this year. I thought

506
00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:15.199
he was going to play a little
bit better. I thought he had a

507
00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:17.559
little bit more solid hit tool.
I thought that average was going to be

508
00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:22.400
pretty stable, dipped down in twenty
twenty one, but I think that the

509
00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:28.440
tools are still there. He hits
the ball hard, He's a young guy,

510
00:36:28.639 --> 00:36:32.159
He's got some power, he's got
some speed. He's not great defensively,

511
00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:37.119
but he's versatile defensively, and really
all we care about with defenses being

512
00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:40.840
on the field. Obviously when we're
talking about Semi, and we talked about

513
00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:45.760
the other bats that Texas brought into
the fold. So one of his primary

514
00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:51.840
positions at actually second base is obviously
going to be occupied. But he's got

515
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the likes of Andy aban Yez and
Cole Calhoun and Willie Calhoun to fight off.

516
00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:01.119
And none of those names stick out
to me as anybody that's going to

517
00:37:01.159 --> 00:37:06.840
be any significant competition to him,
whether that's floating around the infield or in

518
00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:09.320
the corner outfield spot. So I
think he's a younger guy that a lot

519
00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:13.639
of people were high on going into
twenty twenty one. He had a down

520
00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:17.320
year but still showed some some glimmer
of hope and had a little bit better

521
00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:22.079
second half than he did to start. So I think there's still some potential

522
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:24.119
in there and somebody that I still
believe in, and I'm willing to take

523
00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:30.079
a shot on, especially at that
deflated cost. Sure. Sure, what

524
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:35.159
do you think about Nick soil act
Joe? I've never been a big fan,

525
00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:39.760
like even after like after twenty nineteen. I know a lot of people

526
00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:44.840
were pretty high on him for like
the small sample performance, and I don't

527
00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:47.119
think that there's nothing to that.
Like I think that showed kind of like

528
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:52.000
what is potentially capable. But um, you know twenties twenty twenty numbers and

529
00:37:52.039 --> 00:37:55.719
his twenty twenty one numbers, he
looked to be about the same guy over

530
00:37:55.800 --> 00:38:00.679
both samples. And you know,
I actually like I think I like Andy

531
00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:04.920
Banya is like a little bit more
than I like Solac, which is kind

532
00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:07.760
of funny that you mentioned him,
Um, and I want to talk about

533
00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:12.679
Andy Banya is actually a little bit
later. But I do think that Solac

534
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:15.400
will probably get more chances than a
Banyas and most of the other players in

535
00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:23.079
there, and they could potentially have
like room to move him around considering considering

536
00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:27.119
semi and then see you're we're going
to be occupying the middle infield spots,

537
00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:32.039
so that could be interesting for like
multi position like flexibility out of a guy

538
00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:36.800
like him. So I could see
some like pretty solid upside, especially with

539
00:38:36.840 --> 00:38:43.519
the improved light up. I could
as well. Doesn't really seem like he's

540
00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:45.199
a guy that really hits the ball
hard enough. I think that's something that

541
00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:51.960
may maybe kind of turned me off
just in general. It's not it's not

542
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:55.519
really barreling up the ball. But
who knows, maybe he'll switch it.

543
00:38:55.559 --> 00:39:01.360
He'll switch it back on next season. I h well, I had Felix

544
00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:05.679
Valerio down here for this section,
so one I already kind of talked about

545
00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:07.519
him, and I forgot to say
as well, there's that Jared Perkins did

546
00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:12.239
an article about him as well in
November, and we will post the link

547
00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:15.320
to that as well, so you
come back and read it and read about

548
00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:16.679
how good Felix Valario is going to
because I think he's going to take a

549
00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:23.480
solid jump next year. Let's go
to this next section. Here, let's

550
00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:29.760
get risky here, Aaron, let's
start with you looking at the top fifteen

551
00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:34.400
that I listed out at the beginning. Who is your riskiest top fifteen play

552
00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:39.960
for twenty twenty one riskiest top fifteen
play for the next year is going to

553
00:39:40.039 --> 00:39:45.679
be Vidal Bruhan. I'm a huge
fan of the skills. He's obviously got

554
00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:51.480
elite speed, He's I think he's
going to be a great defender. I

555
00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:55.039
think he's going to be a great
hitter. The power has started to emerge

556
00:39:55.039 --> 00:39:59.719
a bit and people are banking on
that exploding for him too, so a

557
00:39:59.719 --> 00:40:04.760
lot of people are even higher than
we are with him at eleven. But

558
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the biggest issue is I just don't
see him getting regular playing time. Obviously,

559
00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:15.719
Tampa's notorious for messing with playing time
of just about everybody on their roster

560
00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:21.280
from April all the way through to
October. But with his profile, I

561
00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:24.840
just don't see him setting himself apart
and being one of those handful of guys

562
00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:28.880
that's going to get full run.
And that's really the crux of why I

563
00:40:28.920 --> 00:40:34.199
think he's risky. It's it's not
a skills commentary anything like that. It's

564
00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:37.760
just a matter of I don't believe
he's going to get full playing time,

565
00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:40.800
and for that, I'm not going
to invest at the price that the market

566
00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:45.920
is setting for him. Yeah,
that's a tough one a guy like you,

567
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:49.360
Like you said, you're right about
all those skills. He's a very

568
00:40:49.880 --> 00:40:54.039
skilled guy, very skilled, tooled
up player. But playing time is always

569
00:40:54.039 --> 00:40:59.960
a consideration with that team. So
kudos and ditto to that sentiment as well.

570
00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:06.280
Mine is Jazz Chisholm Junior, despite
how much I really like him as

571
00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:09.639
well. To me, he's like
a true twenty twenty threat. He's got

572
00:41:09.639 --> 00:41:13.760
to stay healthy, he's got to
stop striking out. I know that in

573
00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:20.039
the past he has shown the capability
to be a better, more patient,

574
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:23.440
leadoff hitter, and I think that's
where he's gonna stick next year, I

575
00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:28.360
hope through the entire year for for
you know, I'm on the team that

576
00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:30.960
seems to be on the rise,
but we got to start seeing that.

577
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:36.519
I'm gonna be I'm gonna I'm gonna
have my magnifying glass out on the every

578
00:41:36.559 --> 00:41:38.480
time Jazz is up to the plate, hoping that he can just get a

579
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:44.039
couple more walks. What about you, Joe? For right, here,

580
00:41:44.079 --> 00:41:51.079
I've got um Semi in and Luis
Garcia down um Semi and we've kind of

581
00:41:51.079 --> 00:41:54.639
already talked about like the potential concerns
about moving to Texas, so I'm gonna

582
00:41:54.679 --> 00:41:59.559
just brush over that one. But
with Luis Garcia, I don't quite see

583
00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:02.280
like what everything is like all about. So, like, yeah, I

584
00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:07.519
know he's like twenty one basically like
twenty twenty two, but he's not really

585
00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:12.039
a you know, great bat type
of hitter. Like I know, he's

586
00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:15.320
got great back control, but he
doesn't strike out much, but he's never

587
00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:17.920
really been like that great of a
hitter even in the minors. He had

588
00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:22.800
like a pretty decent season in twenty
twenty one for his age, but really,

589
00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:27.360
like I just don't quite see what's
there, Like, he doesn't really

590
00:42:27.400 --> 00:42:30.159
steal that many bases. He stole
one base in twenty twenty one on both

591
00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:35.400
like between MLB and Triple A,
and only one base in twenty twenty,

592
00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:38.920
so I don't quite see like the
stolen base is that I would like to

593
00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:43.360
see there for a guy like him, But maybe that's going to come in

594
00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:46.239
the future. He's still pretty young, and the Nationals certainly aren't going anywhere

595
00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:49.760
so I'm sure they're going to give
him all the opportunities you can get at

596
00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:53.559
second base, but I just don't
quite see like him being a top fifteen

597
00:42:53.639 --> 00:42:59.239
type guy when there are a lot
of other guys like Jeff McNeil or you

598
00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:04.079
know, Colton long One, Ciga, David Fletcher, Adam Frasier, just

599
00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:07.159
those types of guys. I'm a
little bit more confident in that they're going

600
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:09.159
to produce next season, and I'm
not so sure out of Garcia because we

601
00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:13.199
really haven't seen it. But he's
still very young, So I gotta I

602
00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:17.079
gotta cut in for a second.
Are you saying Wan Sigura one Cigura?

603
00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:22.840
Yeah? Is it? Is it
pronounced Wan Sigura? Jean cigarette? Did

604
00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:30.480
I say Wanigura? You did earlier
too, And my thinking of Jean Sigura,

605
00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:32.920
Why did I think it was one? I know it's not. It's

606
00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:37.559
not even spelled like one. I
know you know you've said Jean Sigura before

607
00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:43.360
we talked about him last year.
Yeah, I just want to say one.

608
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:46.840
Maybe somebody good, Lord Joseph,
what are we gonna do with THEO?

609
00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:51.920
I mean, I don't I there's
not a whole lot we can do

610
00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:55.320
it's not a big deal. I'll
cut this conversation out most likely unless unless

611
00:43:55.360 --> 00:43:59.840
you bug me the rest of the
day. But um, I just was

612
00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:04.000
I just was curious to making sure
we were talking about the same dude.

613
00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:08.440
Yeah we are. I'm just a
weirdo. Yeah, leave it in,

614
00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:13.039
no worries. I think I think
I might think I might leave it in

615
00:44:13.400 --> 00:44:21.000
jeans Cigara Jean Ciara like jeans,
like jeans. Yeah, things are aware.

616
00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:24.719
Yeah, what I'm going to do
with this guy? Yeah? Yeah,

617
00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:30.920
this guy. Yeah. All right, let's move on before we close

618
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:34.920
everything out. I don't think we
have any listener questions for today. Is

619
00:44:34.920 --> 00:44:37.440
there anybody else that you're high on
for twenty twenty one, Somebody that we

620
00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:42.079
need to keep an eye on,
somebody even deeper in the rankings that we

621
00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:45.079
need to chat about. Aaron,
I'll start with you, So, um,

622
00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:50.159
when you had asked this question,
I wasn't specifically looking at for twenty

623
00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:54.239
twenty one. But somebody that long
term I think we're undervaluing just based on

624
00:44:54.320 --> 00:45:01.519
his absolute monstrous ceiling is Ellie de
la Cruz. He's he's basically a carbon

625
00:45:01.639 --> 00:45:08.159
copy of O'Neill cruise. He's just
a massive bodied guy who people were concerned

626
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:12.199
as to whether he'd stay in the
infield. He's he's actually been playing a

627
00:45:12.239 --> 00:45:15.360
decent amount of shortstop still, so
I think he'll be a shortstop or second

628
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:17.320
base. He's got a cannon for
an arm, so he might move over

629
00:45:17.360 --> 00:45:23.400
to third base. But he's got
eighty grade power, he's able to steal

630
00:45:23.440 --> 00:45:29.039
bases, he's got the speed.
He's just got so much potential and so

631
00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:35.639
much raw skills that when you're getting
down into the deeper parts of these rankings,

632
00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:38.199
you're not you're not looking for somebody
to be a starter right away.

633
00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:45.519
You're looking to take a chance.
And there might be nobody beyond twenty five

634
00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:49.719
in our rankings that's that's got higher
potential than what this guy can do.

635
00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:52.599
So for me, I'm taking a
shot on him anywhere I can. I

636
00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:58.239
just think he's he's so impressive to
watch, and if he pans out to

637
00:45:58.280 --> 00:46:00.760
even eighty percent of what he's able, he's going to be an all star.

638
00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:07.199
I agree with you. I've read
I think four or five months ago,

639
00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:14.000
I read Joe Joe Drake's Joe Drake
from Prospects Live. He did a

640
00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:21.039
really thorough scouting report of him,
and and somebody I've it's not somebody I

641
00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:27.320
roster any of my leagues right now, because in like weirdly, in certain

642
00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:30.960
circles, a lot of people feel
the same way as you, at least

643
00:46:30.199 --> 00:46:35.079
privately. They're not like broadcasting a
whole lot for Ellie, which goes along

644
00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:37.000
with what you said. I think
he's just kind of a little under the

645
00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:42.960
radar, But yeah, it could
be a really nice a really nice player,

646
00:46:43.800 --> 00:46:47.639
really nice player someday. Let's hear
Joe. Let's go to you next

647
00:46:47.679 --> 00:46:52.320
man. All right, So I'm
gonna start with a guy whose name is

648
00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:54.440
going. I'm gonna pronounce it like
I think it's pronounced, but I have

649
00:46:54.599 --> 00:47:00.880
looked far and wide and cannot find
it. So it's ed Ward Coolly or

650
00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:05.840
Julian. He's French from Quebec,
so it's probably Julian. I don't know,

651
00:47:06.719 --> 00:47:07.760
doing your best, so I'm doing
my best. It's kind of hard.

652
00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:13.000
It's spelled E d o U A
r D, so it's like it's

653
00:47:13.079 --> 00:47:17.440
kind of like Edward, but like
it's weird. Okay, So he was

654
00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:22.599
really really solid and I kind of
just happened upon him while doing some queries

655
00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:27.280
about second baseman, and I was
kind of shocked that, like no one

656
00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:30.159
else was really on him all that
much. We have him ranked at seventy

657
00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:37.280
six, and I actually ranked him
relatively high. I think I had him

658
00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:40.800
around eighteen. Let me see,
yeah, eighteen, So I ranked him

659
00:47:40.840 --> 00:47:45.159
around eighteen, And I'm just gonna
list off like his numbers. So he

660
00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:50.679
played. He got like five hundred
some odd plate appearances between Class A and

661
00:47:50.840 --> 00:47:55.239
A Advanced, and he had eighteen
home runs, thirty four stolen bases,

662
00:47:55.519 --> 00:48:01.199
a four twenty one wOBA and he
drew more wiles than anyone in the minors,

663
00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:05.800
and he had like a twenty one
point four percent walk right because of

664
00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:10.960
that. So he's like a really
really like solid player with speed and power

665
00:48:12.079 --> 00:48:15.480
and patience. And he's still only
twenty two. He'll probably start the year

666
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:19.199
of double A for the Twins,
and you know, he's really going to

667
00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:23.039
probably end up having to play you
know where wherever because he doesn't necessarily have

668
00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:27.000
like a lockdown position that they've tried
him at, So he may not be

669
00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:30.880
a second base like long term.
But considering we have him at seventy six,

670
00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:34.599
this is a guy that's mostly off
of everybody's radar. But with those

671
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:37.840
kind of numbers at you know,
advanced a for a twenty two year old,

672
00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:43.360
that's incredible. That kind of profile, that's like twenty thirty potential.

673
00:48:43.599 --> 00:48:45.559
I guess, like, if you
can hit eighteen, why can't he hit

674
00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:49.760
I don't know, maybe it's more
like fifteen, like twenty five or fifteen

675
00:48:49.800 --> 00:48:54.320
thirty, But that's incredible. Yeah, I'm ashamed to a bit. I

676
00:48:54.360 --> 00:49:00.119
don't know. Before this conversation,
I did not who I didn't know who

677
00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:02.840
this person was, but those are
some numbers that are definitely worthy of being

678
00:49:02.920 --> 00:49:07.400
higher than seventy six. And it
was just you and Shelley are the only

679
00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:12.880
two who ranked him. Yeah,
looks like I mean, I'm not surprised

680
00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:17.400
he was drafted in like a round
or whatever. I mean, eighteenth round,

681
00:49:17.880 --> 00:49:22.679
eighteenth round. Okay, somebody who
just got kind of lost before twenty

682
00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:27.079
twenty or something. I don't know. Um, Okay, you got anybody

683
00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:30.000
else, Joe? Um? Yeah, and then I've got I was talking

684
00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:34.480
earlier about Andy Avanya's who plays for
the Rangers. He came up last year

685
00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:37.960
as like a twenty eight year old
rookie and he showed a plus hit tool

686
00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:42.320
and because he played mostly second and
I think a little bit of third,

687
00:49:42.559 --> 00:49:46.159
but likely going to be moving all
over the field as kind of a utility

688
00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:52.679
role after Seeger and semi and have
joined the team. So I could see

689
00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:54.320
he was hitting in the you know, two to three spot towards the end

690
00:49:54.320 --> 00:49:59.119
of the season, and I could
see him moving probably not into the lead

691
00:49:59.119 --> 00:50:01.400
off spot um. I would assume
that's probably gonna be like Willie Calhoun or

692
00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:06.920
maybe even semi in um, but
you know, potentially into like the five

693
00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:09.920
or six role, or even if
he's sitting ninth, then he might have

694
00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:15.159
an opportunity to be on base while
seeker and semi in or at the plate,

695
00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:19.679
which is pretty good for you know, run value or whatever you might

696
00:50:19.719 --> 00:50:22.320
want to look at him. But
he's just a solid guy we have ranked

697
00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:27.960
at forty five that I think could
be seeing regular plate appearances in the majors,

698
00:50:28.000 --> 00:50:30.719
which is the thing is just inherently
valuable in itself for fantasy purposes.

699
00:50:32.679 --> 00:50:38.880
I agree, We're gonna say so
again. I did the write up for

700
00:50:39.079 --> 00:50:44.599
Ebanius. He was in my stretch
there at forty five, and I think

701
00:50:44.599 --> 00:50:49.119
in the two paragraphs that I wrote
about him, I used the word fine

702
00:50:49.239 --> 00:50:52.960
about a dozen times. Yeah,
he's just he's not an exciting profile.

703
00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:57.320
Obviously it took him until that advanced
age to actually make it to the majors.

704
00:50:57.760 --> 00:51:00.519
But he's he's not gonna hurt you
anywhere. But he's not going to

705
00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:05.119
be a huge boon free and a
player like that is is perfectly fine.

706
00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:07.400
There's there's nothing wrong with this profile. And if he does get the at

707
00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:10.480
bats, then you're not gonna you're
not gonna mind having him in your line

708
00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:14.639
up there. Yeah, especially in
deeper leagues, you know, and that

709
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:16.760
that's what we're kind of what we're
you know, getting at with this section.

710
00:51:16.920 --> 00:51:21.400
Sorry to cut you off, Joe, Oh yeah, no worries,

711
00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:22.880
Yeah, no, just kind of
a guy who could fill in if you

712
00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:25.920
have injuries or on your bench,
and he might be on the weight,

713
00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:30.440
he might be on waivers and most
dynasty leagues, So if you could just

714
00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:34.079
snag a guy like that and have
him as a guy who could fill in

715
00:51:34.119 --> 00:51:37.960
and not kill you in terms of
like your categories, that's pretty solid.

716
00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:44.840
I like that. Nice. Nice, all right. I've got somebody as

717
00:51:44.880 --> 00:51:47.239
well, somebody I talked about on
Nynasty's Child a while ago as a top

718
00:51:47.440 --> 00:51:52.519
podspect. Another, of course,
another Madrigal type, low k rate,

719
00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:57.519
steals type guy who I actually think
it hits some more homers. A guy

720
00:51:57.559 --> 00:52:01.519
named Uribil. You will reb an, I believe is how you say that.

721
00:52:01.559 --> 00:52:06.039
I think I got it right the
second time. He's already for me,

722
00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:08.760
a top ten prospect in Padres system. I think MLB dot Com has

723
00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:13.760
him a little bit lower than that. Um, somebody I'm keeping an eye

724
00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:16.400
on because the hit tool is there. Again I'm looking out for. I

725
00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:20.360
feel like I'm speculating on everybody on
second base. At a certain point,

726
00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:24.199
you get further down the list,
and he added power. Watch out,

727
00:52:24.199 --> 00:52:28.480
he's going to jump real quick.
I don't This is more of a gut

728
00:52:28.480 --> 00:52:31.559
call at the moment. I know
he doesn't have like a profile that lends

729
00:52:31.599 --> 00:52:36.719
itself to that, or he hasn't
shown that he can hit. He can

730
00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:39.920
hit a few, and I watched
him hit. Um. I went to

731
00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:44.440
a game, a Storm game at
the end of last season, and he

732
00:52:44.480 --> 00:52:47.599
had a couple really good at bats
there. But somebody keep an eye on

733
00:52:49.159 --> 00:52:51.920
somebody. That's a name to kind
of get in your get in your brain

734
00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:53.280
there. And I think I might
have been the only one who ranked him,

735
00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:57.639
but another really you know, so
another real under the radar type guy.

736
00:52:58.360 --> 00:53:00.000
All right, well, is there
anybody else that we need to chat

737
00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:04.639
about before we get out of here? Any other any you guys got to

738
00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:08.960
get anything else off your chest before
we before we bolt? I don't think

739
00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:13.679
so. I think, Um,
I think we got like a lot covered.

740
00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:17.519
And you know, one thing I
will say one more thing, just

741
00:53:17.599 --> 00:53:23.440
about what's his name, Julian um
is that I kind of think he has

742
00:53:23.440 --> 00:53:27.639
a similar profile to Nick York,
who we have at nine. And I

743
00:53:27.639 --> 00:53:30.159
think that's kind of crazy because like
that's such a stark contrast between the two,

744
00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:32.800
not saying that Nick York shouldn't yet
nine. I think I had him

745
00:53:32.800 --> 00:53:37.159
within my top like twelve or fifteen
as well. But um, I just

746
00:53:37.239 --> 00:53:40.440
think that, like it just goes
to show that like where you get taken

747
00:53:40.480 --> 00:53:44.760
in the draft sometimes can't have an
impact all that kind of stuff, And

748
00:53:45.320 --> 00:53:46.920
the only way that we're going to
discover some of these guys is just by

749
00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:52.360
randomly sorting through leaderboards and happening upon
you know, Josie Miranda or you know,

750
00:53:52.599 --> 00:53:55.599
Eduardo Julian Julian. I don't know. I want to know, I

751
00:53:55.639 --> 00:53:59.599
wish that a page had where I
could pronounce his name. It makes me

752
00:53:59.639 --> 00:54:02.360
feel so bad. There are some
I think I'm gonna get it. I

753
00:54:02.440 --> 00:54:05.519
get it too. I know we
do our best and I try to get

754
00:54:05.559 --> 00:54:07.159
it, but we try to get
everybody's name right, and I know that's

755
00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:13.400
important, but we're trying. I
think there is there is a pronunciation guide

756
00:54:13.679 --> 00:54:21.920
from MLB, but it's also my
understanding that not it's not necessarily perfect that

757
00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:25.840
I've heard in certain circles. So
anyway, you're working on it. We're

758
00:54:25.840 --> 00:54:30.199
working on it. What about you, Aaron, anything else? Get off

759
00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:32.679
your chest. Not. I think
we did a good job covering and everybody

760
00:54:32.800 --> 00:54:37.400
top to bottom. Obviously we've got
the stalwarts at the top and the flyers

761
00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:38.800
that we would take towards the bottom
of our list here. But the one

762
00:54:38.840 --> 00:54:45.599
thing that I will say in scouting
the stat line for Eduardo Julian is he

763
00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:50.639
spent the whole year at at single
are A couple levels, whether it's single

764
00:54:50.719 --> 00:54:54.840
A or high A. But that
is where the pickoff rules were adjusted.

765
00:54:55.079 --> 00:55:01.719
So those steals numbers for everybody across
the board was pretty inflated. I know,

766
00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:05.920
some of it, just much the
same as Taylor. I actually wasn't

767
00:55:05.920 --> 00:55:08.320
familiar with him until I saw his
name on the rundown here. But looking

768
00:55:08.320 --> 00:55:13.719
into him, I see that the
scouting gives him decent speed, average speed,

769
00:55:13.719 --> 00:55:19.079
but nothing that would portend thirty plus
steals. So I would just be

770
00:55:19.079 --> 00:55:22.199
a little bit cautious as to banking
on too much of that moving forward.

771
00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:25.719
That is very good to know it's
something it did not consider. That's yeah,

772
00:55:25.760 --> 00:55:30.719
that's tough, and it's still thirty
four steals, right, you'd think

773
00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:35.400
like even if he could do somewhere
around nineteen or twenty, I think there's

774
00:55:35.400 --> 00:55:37.679
something to be said about guys who
who choose, who are given that green

775
00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:42.559
lighter, who choose to steal that
much. Yeah, it's just it's really

776
00:55:42.599 --> 00:55:45.519
tough with those weird pickoff rules.
What was it like, you're limited to

777
00:55:46.039 --> 00:55:50.880
you're limited to two, limited to
two and some of the leagues were down

778
00:55:50.920 --> 00:55:54.119
to a fifteen second pitch clock,
and yeah, it was there was a

779
00:55:54.199 --> 00:56:00.960
lot of benefits for running totally.
Yeah, as you're saying above, maybe

780
00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:04.639
he just turns out to be a
quote unquote fine bass dealers. You know,

781
00:56:04.679 --> 00:56:07.039
sometimes you need sometimes you need those
guys, right, Like we were

782
00:56:07.039 --> 00:56:09.760
talking about in the last episode.
Sometimes you need those uh those Jonathan Scopes,

783
00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:14.440
right, Joe, just the fine
players that you know. It's kind

784
00:56:14.440 --> 00:56:16.320
of kind of now you're speaking my
language. I love I love me some

785
00:56:16.480 --> 00:56:22.440
Jonathan Scope. The same man should
have had you on the last episode toomers,

786
00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:28.639
I mean we you can fill out
your lineup with fine players and do

787
00:56:28.800 --> 00:56:32.280
really well and in your leagues,
you know, anyway you could you do

788
00:56:32.360 --> 00:56:35.679
fine? Right, get that off
I get that now, I've got that

789
00:56:35.719 --> 00:56:39.840
off my chest. Great, Um, excellent guys, Thank you again for

790
00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:45.519
being here. Um, thank you
to everybody who's stuck around for the last

791
00:56:45.519 --> 00:56:49.000
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792
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793
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794
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795
00:57:01.480 --> 00:57:05.440
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796
00:57:05.480 --> 00:57:07.719
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797
00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:14.360
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798
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799
00:57:19.480 --> 00:57:21.800
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800
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805
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806
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was saying these guys before this episode, I've had kind of a weird weekend

807
00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:57.760
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out where it's coming from in the
last twenty four hours. But a lot

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of people are dealing with that.
If you need to chat anytime, please

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shoot us a message. We all
you know, we're all going through it

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and if you do need it.
The National Suicide Prevention Lifeline is one eight

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hundred and two seventy three eight two
five five. In the meantime, be

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nice to yourself, be good to
each other. To go get yourself from

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cake see you next time.