Hey, Hey, and welcome everybody back for another week of Reconnected, celebrating
our end of the year episode with mister Zachary K. Bryant from They Live
by Film. Zach, welcome back. It's been trying to think about this
earlier. Was the last time, really May when we did the Vinegar Syndrome
thing, I think we met. I'm trying to think, trying to think
what was the last thing we did. I know we did women directors for
Horror, and then I can't think if we did one after that. It's
been It's been a crazy time. Michael Smith is asking how you're not a
country music store. Many letters in my last name, So it's been a
long time. There's been a lot of stuff that's happened in physical media with
the podcast and everything. Has of the year been for you? It's been
it's been busy. The podcast has been good. We're trying to make a
slight change to those who listen, so we're figuring that out now. I
think we do a format change. It seems like every year, so I
guess it's just tradition at this point. But beyond that, just I got
a vacation a month and a half ago, and that's pretty much all I
worked for in twenty twenty three, and now I can just move on to
the next year. So why was it such a big vacation tebrity where you
went? I went to Eastern Europe, So I started out in Poland,
I went to Slovakia, and then I went to Austria, and then I
went to the Czech Republic and that was over two weeks. And I am
still jealous that you got to do that. Well, you know, I'll
be jealous of myself for the next couple of years when I can't afford to
do anything else. So it's fine. Uh yeah, that's the hard part
of travel, and that's for me. Like, that's why I dread it,
because doing it for a family of four who no, I mean,
like traveling to Eastern Europe just for one person's expensive. Yeah, that would
have been Chris. But it is a great interview. I will definitely pass
that along to him. Zach is sometimes there for the interviews, mostly listening
behind until he thinks of some amazing question and then you realize twenty minutes into
it, oh, Zach was there. Yeah, yeah, I just try
to hide in and see what happens. So what you've been watching? Is
there anything been going on movie wise? He been paying attention to. Well,
I've been catching up on the twenty twenty three list. I got to
one hundred and five movies from this year so far. I'm gonna go see
Ferrari tomorrow and beyond that, I've been trying to actually watch more stuff.
I enjoy so a lot of Found footage here lately, because I have to
get into that about once a year and go watch a bunch of useless stuff
on TV and then try to get other people to watch it. I just
put out my episode on Found Footage, just got probably a month ago,
and I swear it's the It's one of those topics that I am super passionate
about, and I got like no engagement from it. I swear nobody likes
found footage except for like me, you, and like eight other people in
the world. You know. I just it's it's like the last night we
were watching me and my girlfriend were watching host that one that Rob Savage did
I had, I haven't seen it had been on my list since I watched
dash Cam, And you know, she's sitting over here in the corner with
like a pillow over her face, and I'm just like, you don't see
that, Like I can't get her to get scared of anything else, but
found footage terrify her, and I think it's got that potential for it.
I uh yeah, there's a lot and found footage that I love that it
seems like hardly anybody has seen. That's the biggest thing. Is I just
trying to get people to hear about some of these because they just they don't
get enough of the I guess word of mouth going compared to some of these
other films, or if they finally do, they end up like getting a
lot of criticism. Like I mean, I know the criticism agains Blair Witch
Project is it's boring, But I'm like, that's kind of what makes that
movie work because it's boring, Like I I adore that film to death,
But the fact that nothing really happens is you know what makes it what made
people actually believe it happens because it's like, well, we didn't see anything,
like, so must it could be real? Uh, Well, tonight
after our announcements, which there's not that many, which I didn't really plan
on there being too many tonight, so we're gonna have kind of a big
topic tonight. We're gonna be discussing our top ten favorite Stephen King adaptations because
I just wanted the world to fight tonight with us. I kind of figured
this is gonna be a contentious topic for many people. We'll talk about some
other recent watches because I think there's some on my lists from this week that
you've seen already, and then a couple pickups that I wanted to share from
some patrons this week. But I feel like I did much better than normal
watching some recent films this week. So the Holdovers? Did you get see
the Holdovers? No? I missed that one, to be honest. There's
a lot of movies in my area where it's like they would show up for
a week and then they'd go. That was one of them. Dream Scenario
was one of them, and there was another one I just mentioned today,
and I was like, I didn't get American Fiction. I didn't get to
see any of those because they ran for one weekend and left. YEP,
that's the worst part about some of these for sure. I gotta say the
Holdovers, I am going to be surprised if they don't pick up kind of
all of the nominations. It is that good of a movie. The three
leads that are in this I would not be surprised to see any of the
three of them in. Giamatti is deserving of the Best Actor. Probably the
student. He's a new actor. I cannot remember his name at the moment.
He's incredible throughout this film. But then Divine Joy Randolph is just remarkable
in this movie. It is such a great performance from her, really really
great combination of the three of them coming with very different personalities and just meshing
this very like brash feeling movie that turns into sort of a feel good movie
by the by the end of it. So it's great. And we have
multiple people saying hold Over starts streaming on Peacock tomorrow, just so you wat
I do have Peacocks. I have to give that one a watch. If
it's as good as you're saying it is. Simmoner is saying Dominic sina.
I think it's Dominic SSSA. Now that you say that, I think I'm
remembering that right. Yeah, it's it's pretty incredible. Alexander Payne did great
in it, but yeah, Giamatti just absolutely embraced his role and it's it's
easily the best thing he's ever done. But the other thing, the Iron
Claude. You can see that one yet I did. I saw it on
on Christmas Eve. I went to see that an Aquaman double feature. What
great well of a double feature? How'd you feel about Aquaman? Aquaman?
Is actually feel in the minority that liked it. I like the first Aquaman.
I like James One a lot, so that there's my bias that I
don't know. It's a it's a goofy little movie. It's it's really goofy,
it's really dumb, and I kind of appreciate it for that, Like
I don't know. I was also the type that like Warder Woman eighty four
for kind of the same reason, Like I don't know, I don't I
kind of like, I feel like there's a lot of these, a lot
of superhero movies trying to take themselves like a little too seriously. Even Marvel
with all the jokes that I feel like it tries to like elevate itself above
what it is sometimes and I just kind of appreciate it saying that we're just
gonna be dumb and have fun and you'll enjoy it. If it's decently done.
Yeah, I saw the first Aquaman. I've not seen the second one.
I didn't hate the first one, but it also didn't light the fire
that I needed to see all of the other DC films. I think I've
still only seen like three of the DCE movies. Yeah, I saw that,
the second, the second Suicide Squad, and then, oh god,
the one. I can't even remember what the third one was. So yeah,
that's it, just those three weird three to pile into each other.
But yeah, and Alcamant is kind of the end of this DCEU which has
been I guess, if nothing else interesting, it's it was a very interesting
ten years. Uh So, iron Claw, how'd you feel about this one?
I liked it. I think I had an expectation that it was really
gonna like get to me like more than it did, and and I was
little I guess I don't want to see I was disappointed because I really enjoyed
it. And I have to give a movie credit that, when it's so
depressing, they just cut out an entire brother because they just don't want to
hammer it home anymore. I kind of appreciate it for that. But yeah,
I thought it was good. I thought it was really good. I
think I went in thinking it would probably hit in my top ten, and
when it didn't, I think I left a little disappointed because of my expectations.
But what did you think? This is weird? I walked away from
it thinking it was about a four and a half star film, like really
felt high on it, But then thinking about it over the next couple of
days, I think I've lowered that to about a four. And I think
the only reason I felt so hot on it in that moment. And this
isn't really a spoiler. I kind of hate saying this because it takes the
wind out of a slight part of the emotional parts. But zac Efron has
a line near the end of the film that says I used to be a
brother, and that line gutted me in the moment, like immediate tears.
That was the only thing that got to me. But thinking about it since
then, like the script was a mess. The fact that you erased an
entire brother is really weird. Like his reasoning for it is because he doesn't
want to just do the same thing over and over again. But that's that's
kind of the problem with the von Erik curse like that they're going through these
things over and over again, are racing. It takes away some of the
power of that, and it's I can't take anything away from any of the
performances. Efron put in the best performance he ever has, more a tyranny,
was like a revelation in this. I've never seen her actor ass off
like that. The Fritz I never remember. I think his last name is
mcclannin. The Gentleman that played Fritz the father, the guy from mind Hunter.
He was incredible in this, super compelling probably actor too. I had
to get some appreciation because he's he's I've been a fan of his for a
long time and I'm glad to see him getting bigger roles. Yeah, but
yeah, really the part that kind of took it away from me. They
hate and I'm trying to do this without spoiling there is I guess i'll call
it a fantasy sequence near the end, like that's not from e f Ron's
point of view near the end, and I'm like, this is kind of
an unusual scene. Felt a little weird to me too. Yeah, I
was like, because I feel like we got the point, Like I felt
like I don't know. It's one of those things where I think there's so
much good in this movie, and I'd be really interested to see what else
the director does, because I think he has a lot of talent. He
did a lot of That's a tough story to adapt, and I think he
did a solid job doing it, and it looked beautiful. I gotta admit
this is one of those things where you could have really phoned in a lot
of the wrestling stuff and still told a really compelling, like dramatic, endeavor
type of story. He actually nailed a lot of the other wrestling stuff that
could have just been bad. And it's really like Rick Flair is in this
and they gave the right attention to Rick Flair. They did him right,
They covered everything appropriately. Loved that Ronnie shouting out more tyranny and everything she's
in. I don't need to look that up to see if I've seen that.
That title sounds very familiar. Let's see. We got a couple comments
on this one. Without spoiling anything, I will say, and I took
that scene as his interpretation or wish that he was making. I thought about
that, and I don't disagree with that. Is probably the intention. It
just I think where the film had stayed so grounded, it kind of just
took me out of it for a second, right, Like I'm not sure
if there's a right or wrong way that would have fixed that for me,
but it just like, I don't know, it was just it was so
weird to me because at first I was like, is this like some kind
of weird flashback for a second, and then it was like, oh no,
this is something else. So it was just one of those kind of
moments for me. Yeah, and then we got a couple of people,
one saying there's only so much to put in a two hour film and then
unless you add another forty five minutes to an hour footage, which I agree,
but also it's it's a two hour, twenty minute film. They put
a lot into there. I also feel like this story is so complex,
this probably should have been like a six hour HBO mini series which they cut
out the fake brother right, Like, I know there was a guy what
was his name, Lance? Yeah, the I think they show him,
but they don't mention him. They show him in one quot of good stuff
got cut if I remember correctly. Because it's just it's interesting, but it's
not important to anything really going on. Yeah, thanks for the uh thanks
for the translation there. Eric, I was like, everything she's in sounds
familiar, but no, you're saying literally everything that she's been in. I
uh, yeah, I don't know. Cutting out the entire brother is weird,
and the fact that he had the same fate as one of the other
brothers shouldn't take away from the power of that. I don't know. It's
still a great film, and I really hope everybody watches it. Yeah,
I think the only part makes it cut harder is because I mean, I
don't know if there's a we I can't remember if he had a note or
not, but I mean he was kind of I know, he felt ignored
or he felt overshadowed. So to have him cut out of a film,
to be literally overshadowed as a I don't think the director had any mal intent
at all. I think it's just like, how do I adapt the story?
I mean, we're gonna talk about adaptions plenty. It's it's a real
life is even more complex than a you know, a book, because you
know, you feel like that you you owe something, because it's these are
real people. So it's a tough thing to balance. Yeah, and uh
yeah, I mean the fact that parts of the family are still alive and
they get to see this like the fact that the family's getting attention is cool,
but also leaving stuff out feels weird. I don't know, it's a
it's a weird line to walk. I get that, ye. And I
mean, you know, people's lives aren't and that's always like I try to
go back to, is like people's lives aren't cinematic. I mean, yeah,
it's you know, it's it's an issue I had. I don't know
if you've seen Napoleon this year. It's a movie I liked, but it's
like there's some it's an easy mistake to just feel like a Wikipedia article like
they were born, some stuff happened, they died the end, and it's
just like, okay, all right, Probably time to talk about a couple
of pickups. Like I said, I got a couple of stuff from some
patrons to highlight. Is there anything that you've got recently you want to highlight
or are we passing since the vacation. Well, I'm still waiting. I
know, me and you talked about this earlier and I appreciate you letting me
know. I'm still waiting on my severing stuff. Like I spent about two
hundred dollars on that sale, so I've been like waiting for the four to
go in the paying for to finish up, and so a lot of stuff's
just been a little stuff. Most of the been getting into gaming. So
I've just been picking up PS three games because I have a problem that I
just have to get back into a console that's probably barely running at this point.
Which one are you focusing on right now? What game is the big
one? This week? Oh? Man, I got back into playing GTA
four. I guess the announcement made me nostalgic because I've never been a huge
fan of five. Yeah, sounds like I'm gonna play my favorite one.
And then I got through Far Cry two, which is still awesome. That's
that was, And I was divisive for a lot, But I love fark.
If the moment I die, I get to see a list of stats
about my life. I'm really curious to see how many hours I put onto
GTA San Andreas, because I lived in that game. And yeah, and
there's just that game is awesome. You know, I just saw when I
was on my I was at my parents' house for Christmas and I got on
my mom's Netflix because I don't have it, and I was like, whoa
they have? You can play GTA san Andreas on Netflix. Yeah, it's
on there. I'm like, what is the that's weird? Interesting? All
right? So a handful of things. We did a secret Santa on one
of my Facebook groups I'm in, and one of them that got me is
actually a patron of the Channel Trell show. Matt Shield sent me Silent running
the Eureka release from the UK. And then I, I don't remember ever
seeing this media book, but I got the Black Friday Media book with Boris
karla Off and mister Legosi. Of course, this looks pretty nice and it's
a wicked Vision media book and uh just straight up missed it. And then
Flickering Waves, who's in the chat tonight, sent me a little package and
a cool thing. I've got the wish Master trailer on film. Pretty rad,
aren't they? Yeah? Yeah, little promo card for the Holdovers that
we just talked about. Pretty nice. He sent a poster from the brand
new Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Mutant Mayhem with the April O'Neil character on it.
Loved that, and then some local music from Tampa, Florida Rec Center and
the other one is die Alps more important things. Eager to put those in
this weekend. And then some old school blockbuster promos a Planet to Air and
death Proof in immaculate shape. These are great. And then there's a little
download code for another band in Florida on the back of one of those.
And then Brian, who's in the chat as the Wonderment Project, just got
these today sent me some incredible laser discs. We've got Starman and you won't
even have to buy the Columbia set. Now look at that, not at
all you can see from La who needs a four K Escape from New York.
And then Assault on precinc thirteen. I feel like that Assault is hard
to find just because I just feel like it gets overshadowed by the other ones.
That's awesome. I'm so stoked on those. And now I have more
carpenter to choose from for my eventual evolution of physical media thing that I'm gonna
work on. Because I had body bags and I'm like, this is kind
of a weird one to put on display for Carpenter. Yeah, it's only
like two thirds Carpenter anyway, right, Yeah, all right, So that's
pickups for the week. Whatever. Watches about some announcements. Nothing too create
this week. And it's nice and short. And I clicked on the wrong
one to start. I think, no, that's the right one. Gas
Oil coming from Keno Larber on Blu Ray soon. This is also known as
Hijack Highway. Another one that we don't know the release date from, and
this is from nineteen fifty five. I know nothing about this. I have
a feeling that you're on that same page. Yeah, I'm actually kind of
surprised because Keino has been kind of getting into some weird We're gonna put this
random movie on four K. I'm actually surprised. This one's just a Blu
Ray. Yeah. I'm curious what the uh what what the scam? And
all that information on the restoration is there? Usually they would say something about
it here. Yeah, this one's very interesting. I had not heard of
it. I I was curious about got the even like the the aka name
Hijack Highway. I feel like I'd seen that before maybe, But it's not
ringing any bills for some reason. I mean, only two hundred and forty
five people in letterbox that said they want that checks out then, and that's
a very Keyno title to just drop like that. Next up on our list
is some MVD rewind titles. We got Mean Guns coming on Blu Ray on
April ninth. This is with Iced Tea and Christopher Lambert. We've gotten an
audio commentary with Albert Pune on this new interview with Gary Schmoller, the producer,
and then a new interview with the executive producer Paul Rosenblum, new interview
with the composer Anthony Ripparetti, and we got the trailer. That's it,
but just continuing the MVD rewind line and another Albert Pion that's a big deal.
I need to get more into MVD. I got the only one I
have is I got Vampires Kiss. That is currently the only one I've had.
Wow, they've got some pretty good titles on that line too, and
they're up to gosh, this will be number like fifty four or five.
I think, Yeah, it's one that's been on my list. Like,
Hey, when I get some and I get some X some cash, I'll
get some. But it just I think they had a sale there in like
November, right, and I meant to get and I think I spent it
all on several stuff. So of course that's the hard part about November.
Everybody's on sale, but you kind of blow it on the first one or
two sales, especially because like I don't, I can't remember. You might
can remind me with seven did the four Flies on gray velvet? Was that
just a title for the sale or did they end up selling it at right?
I feel like they weren't clear how they were selling that title, and
I remember I specifically had to get that one. I didn't know if they
were going to do the same thing. Yeah, they weren't super clear on
it. And the funny thing is with Severn, you can literally email them
right now and just ask for a copy of four Flies and still get it
from them. It is kind of weird. And they did say like,
I think they're planning on doing another release of it in the future, but
they don't know how to give it. I think they're trying to make it
a special standard ediion and that that sounds weird to say it like that,
but they think it deserves more like panache than what they would normally put into
just a standard no slip release. I mean it, it was a nice
release anyway, I don't understand. I don't get it. Okay, Yeah,
it's an odd one. I'm not real sure. Ace is High from
seventy six coming from Keno soon as well. This one's got Malcolm McDowell in
it, and this one with Peter Firth Christopher Plumber. I believe i'd seen
this one like when I was super young, I think, but I don't
remember it at all. I'd never seen it. But yeah, that cover
looks like you're like if I just saw that covering scores like, yeah,
Keno will do that one. Yep, exactly. Yeah, this is one
that it had Keno written on it from day one. Uh. This one,
though, is an interesting one. Keno is releasing Rampage from nineteen eighty
seven on four K. This is finally coming the William Friedkin film, starring
a bunch of really interesting character actors, and it's supposed to be pretty great.
They also listed a couple comments on their Facebook page after this. They
said that it was going to have both cuts, I believe. But the
other big thing is Friedkin's bug is back on the menu. Now that Freedkin
has passed away, they said we are going forward with it. So did
were they able to get anything with Freakin for this release before he passed.
They haven't announced anything yet, so I'm gonna bet that this only went into
production because he passed. They probably had the rights and we're gonna push it
back, and then he passed and they're like, Okay, now we can
just get to work. This is slightly off topic, but I'm just curious
what you're talking about stuff we watched. Did you watch the k Mutiney Court
Marshall, the TV movie he did right before he passed. Not yet.
I've been dying to see it. The people in the discord that have seen
it, most of them seem to love it. It's so good, Like
it's very Uh. I don't say Lamette because I think it's because I always
think it's lem May, but I think it's not pronounced that way. Yeah,
yeah, it feels so him because of how well they do with just
sticking in the courtroom. I think the old one that they made before they
would flash back to what had happened. Yeah, this one's just so much
better because they have the confidence to just stay in this courtroom the whole time.
It's it's really worth watching if you get a damn it all right,
all right, I will check it out. Uh. Simnars posted a gumut
that I could go back to. Imagine if there was a standard release of
Fort Flies and it came in a big hard box with the book, there'd
be blood in the streets. Yeah, they'd be hilarious. It's yeah,
I could. But you know what, I can believe it to be true.
Uh, Siminar says, I can see Keno putting out Jaden rules of
Engagement and Simo mannibals asking, that's a TV movie. That's Lance Reddick's last
film. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's sad that you know he
lost Freakin and Reddick in the same movie. It's yep, yeah, it's
but it's it's a very It's we'll talk about TV movies here once we get
to the Oh, yes, we wanted to talk about But you know there
are good ones, they're just not as common anymore. Well, and I
gotta ask everybody's opinion because I agree with John here. How do we feel
about bug being back on the menu because Freedkin passed? He says it feels
a little icky. It does feel It feels a little awkward to me that
they were like, you know, Freakin's hard to work with, we're just
not going to do it, and then he died and they're like, well,
actually yeah. I mean the hesitation for me is just more of what
could have been if they had just went ahead and just pushed through it,
freaking like right. I mean, it's such an interesting film from him,
and I don't think it's one he disowns, and I like, I actually
think he likes that movie quite but which I do too. I'm a big
a fan of bug I would have liked to have had him work on it,
just because I think there's there's more to learn about that film, because
it's kind of been neglected. Yeah, I'm eager to see it. I'm
hoping they do right by it and it looks decent. It just feels a
little weird. I get it. I get it. Next up, lots
of Kenos so far. February twenty seventh, four K from a little student
film director named Stanley Stanley Kubrick. I think Phil Fear a desire from nineteen
fifty two coming on four K. We got a new audio commentary by Eddie
von Mueller on the seventy minute cut, new commentary by Gary Garani on the
sixty two minute cut. Then we also have Flying Padre from nineteen fifty one.
This is a short film by Kubrick. This is a four K restoration
from the original thirty five milimeter print, which is so rad that they're doing
this Day of the Fight from nineteen fifty one. Another short, another four
K restoration from that thirty five milimeter print, The Seafarers from nineteen fifty three.
Another four K restoration, this one from the sixteen millimeter ab camera negatives
and a sixteen millimeter print, and a couple trailers. But I mean,
this is this is really cool. I'm so glad this is coming out like
this and they're just continuing to give love to some of these. I have
Keno's last release of this, and it's not their main line. I'm trying
to think that the line is called. It was like an educational one.
It had like a it had a different it didn't have a traditional slip it
had a slide box, right, But I'd have to go back and see
what it was. And I don't think it was their main line though,
so it's interesting to see them go back to this and this one. Even
if you have the old one, this one has those shorts and that old
one did not, so that's a problem. Thanks Scooper caated this movie and
all those shorts good all on one, one convenient place. So let's just
saying it's the Library of Congress line. I think that was it, Yeah,
because they have a bunch of information on it. I've only watched the
movie once and that was plenty, but I'm still probably gonna buy this.
I just hope we continue to get the rest of them, Like I think
I just wrote about this in the zine actually for what's about to drop tonight
or tomorrow, Hello to everybody is waiting on that. Uh, but we
need we need the newest one from him. We absolutely need a four K
of some some little nicole kidman action going on. And if they can't give
us size wide shut, I don't know why they couldn't, though, Is
that the only one? I'm trying to think what's missing? Is it?
Barry Lindon and aswad Shut? Are those the only two missing in four K?
Because Killer's Kiss is getting one or has gotten one. Passive Glory is
getting one or has gotten one. Yep. The Killers is getting one.
Yep. Barry Linden doesn't have it. The Shining has it, Clockwork Orange
has it. Lolita Lolita needs one. That's right. So those are the
only three left. I think so and Lalita would be and they need to
do it, but I and it shouldn't. I know it'll be controversial for
people who haven't seen the movie, but it does definitely need a good release.
Celestia's I think Criterion have Barry Linden and Eyes Wide Shut. I mean,
I wouldn't be surprised if they still had Barry Linden. Ice Wide Shut
definitely needs to get released, though. Did they do a DVD release of
that or a laser disc or do they just have it and just sitting on
it. I think they just have it now and they're probably waiting on four
K restoration stuff to be done next up. Uh. I don't I think
we mentioned this last week, but my interview with Alexander Helen Nicholas has been
making some rounds. This is the one that's gotten the most views for quite
some time. So if you haven't watched it, give it a watch.
It's a fun one. I'm making my I think I told you a while
ago, I'm making through all of yours because I've got so behind. Yeah,
it'll it'll come. It'll probably be like January February by the time I
get throw them all. But yeah, we trade off on that. I
think I'm still I think eve in like August for you guys. Oh yeah.
Then by the time you know, we actually do some type of switch,
it'll be like, ah, that was It'll be next year. You'll
be switching back already you if it didn't work next from key, I know.
February twenty seventh is the seventeenth entry in the film Noir The Dark Side
of Cinema. However, this one is slightly different because it's basically an Edward
G. Robinson set. This has Vice Squad, Black Tuesday, and Nightmare.
I know that many, many people love Black Tuesday, and that's the
one that they're going in for. This is a pretty big deal for people
that love Robinson, and I hope people love this. I'm wondering, have
you kept up with all these or e've has anybody that kept up with all
of these? No I pulled the cord a long time ago. On these.
The fact that they have literally said around I think it was like number
fourteen, they said, yeah, we could still do like another twelve of
these. I was like, whoa, whoa, pump the brakes. And
then because what they picked it up right when there was like Columbia Noir and
I think Fox had a noir set. Yeah, it's like, Oh,
Adam from the podcast I know is incredibly happy with all of that, but
I bet I'm not enough intoir to do that. Yeah, the and even
for Adam, especially because Indicators got most of those noir stuff coming out,
They've got the Universal Noir. We didn't mention that. There's there's so dang
many is it? Radiance doing one too. They're doing one called World Noir.
That's actually I think it is shipping right now. It's the final release
of twenty twenty three for them, and it's it's got to be. It's
got to be a good set because people are already like giving it rave reviews.
I need to get into Radiance, but I don't want to. They're
they're remarkable. Uh, they must sell well if they keep pumping them out.
To be honest, I just don't know to who that's a great questions
list. I guess it's the same thing like if they started coming out with
like slasher box sets. You know there's that those people who were just into
it and are will dedicatedly get every one of them. I would be one
of those people, but I don't know their fans that it slash fans.
Well. The hard thing was slashers and noirs alike is that there are so
many films that you could technically make an argument that they're a slasher in noir,
but they're really not at the heart of the stories. Especially Noir.
It was basically, oh, there's some crime and it's in black and white.
That's a noir film, and then you know there's it's funny when actually
noir and slasher kind of like meet. Probably one of the most interest was
like The Leopard Man, which is kind of both and it's neither. I
love The Leopard Man a lot, but it's a strange little movie because it's
kind of in that transition period. Gotta love that weird, awkward period.
Next one from Keno, which they were the only one putting out announcements for
a few days during the holidays. The Cruel See from nineteen fifty three.
This is nowhere near my radar at all. This is the type of film
that I just definitely would probably not even watch. Charles's friend is the director
on this one, and I know literally nothing about it. I'm like,
look kind it up because I've definitely never heard of that. Dustin says,
I've collected all those film noir box sets. Love them, even if they
play fast and loose with the term. Yeah they do. Celeste says the
Leopard Man rules sot in thirty five millimeter in October. That's red. It
must be so nice that all of you guys live near like third. I
hear all of you guys talk about saying something in thirty five. I'm like,
I'd have to travel like four hours. It's a fine a theater that
even has a physical projector anymore. What's funny is I think Celeste lives relatively
near to you? Really? Okay, maybe I'm looking at the right place,
like within a few hours obviously, Uh, what's going on dead sea
life? Uh? Will is going to drop in and spout out about cruel
sy Will is probably not able to watch tonight, sadly, Uh, Celest,
it was my first experience with thirty five. I actually traveled five hours
for the festival. Damn nice. Wow, Yeah, that beats my record.
I think the Furthest I drove for a specific movie is three And what
movie was that? I saw it at Alamo. They it may be they
cloned Tyrone. I think that might be the Furthest. Interesting. I was
waiting to hear that it was the Titanic Restoration. Thankfully I only had to
go like to my regal to see that one. Nice. Yeah, we
were gonna see it in three day but the three D was busted, so
it was like, that makes sense, but hey, I got to see
it, son, all right. Next up is one well, actually,
I think this is my favorite horror of this year when Evil Lurks is coming
on blue ray in March twenty sixth from RLJE in association with IFC Films.
This is the same director that put out Wow, totally blanking on the name
of it. Do you remember which one I'm talking about offhand? Before I
say it? I do not. I think I don't think I've seen the
other movies this directors done. Terrified, that's the name of it. Oh,
never mind, then yes, I have seen it. I have.
Terrified is great Yeah, I love Terrified. Thank you Dallas and Silent Mandible.
Yeah, Terrified is incredible and when evil lurks may actually be better.
Did you see this one this year? I did? What do you think?
I thought it was fine, Like I wanted to love it a lot,
but I just kind of I wasn't crazy about it. I like the
idea, like it was one of those movies where I couldn't get invested in
the story and then like the gore would come in and I got reinvested,
and then it would just kind of slowly I'd go out of it again.
Yeah, so I want to rewatch it because there's a lot of things I
liked, but I just I don't know if I wasn't in the right frame
of mind or it just wasn't for me. But I planned to try it
again down the road. Yeah, it's it's It's a very good first two
acts of the film, and then the third act definitely pumps the brakes a
little bit too much. Uh. I really like Terrified, but something about
the first uh probably about the first half of this movie, just the whole
like folk core aspect of this is just really fun. I almost feel like
this could do better on a second viewing, so I'm eager to check it
out on Blue when that comes out. For sure. I do probably want
to mention what everybody's reacting to Sibner about, and I should bring down the
Win Evil Lurks poster just in case people did not hear about this. Yes,
yes, from what I'm hearing, the four K release of The Abyss
has been canceled in the UK, not in the US, but in the
UK, and the reason being is because of that one scene of animal torture,
and they supposedly they basically rejected it, and Disney was willing to comply
and take out that one scene, and the company that had I think it's
light Year Production or something like that, had just done the restoration on it,
and they vetoed the option and said, fine, we're just not going
to put it out. If you won't let us put that scene in there,
we're not releasing it in the UK. I've been sitting here like for
like a good since you started talking about like where is their animal torture?
And somebody put the rat. I'm like, oh, it's about the rat.
It is about the rat. I was like, okay, it is
ridiculous. Something in the abyss light Storm, that's the that's the company name.
Yeah it's light Storm. Yeah. This is This is frustrating as hell,
especially for people that have been waiting for so long for this. It's
they're probably gonna lose a little bit of money, but they weren't going to
make a ton of money anyway, so I understand why they're doing it.
But I mean, the only the best silver line in is four K is
region free, so most the import cost will suck. But I mean,
at least it's not closed out right, as long as we don't get it
closed out here too. Oh man, let's not let's not speak that and
do existence all right. Going to the next one, Infiltration. Uh.
The January thirtieth release of Infiltration is coming from welgo. This is a twenty
twenty two film, and this is a Russian film. This is gonna have
the original Russian audio track with English subs and an English dub track in this
which kind of cool for wellgo to put both of those on there. Never
heard of this movie, Not sure how good it is, but there's a
trailer if you want to take a look. Some of the action looked okay,
a Russian war movie during this time might be an interesting watch. Yeah,
I did go with it. I wasn't gonna bring it up, but
yeah, very very curious time to release a war film from Russia. Next
up, this is one that we kind of had talked about recently, so
yes, let's bring this up again. Film Movement announced that they are releasing
a Lee Changdong box set in summer of twenty twenty four. And this is
a big deal because it was just announced as coming out in Australia. But
this one one is going to be a little bit different because this is going
to contain the movie Greenfish, So if you were going to import that release,
you may want to grab this one from Phil Movement instead. They said
it'll be out early summer of twenty twenty four, so you should be able
to see that this year. But just as a reminder, this is gonna
have Greenfish, Peppermint Candy Oasis, and then also twenty ten's Poetry. Three
out of those four films had a four K restoration, and then the fourth
one, which I believe was Poetry, that one also had a four K
restoration technically, but it was a two K intermediate that was blown up to
four K, so not quite a real four K restoration. Yes, Celeste's
asking you, I heard that Keno canceled their four K of duck, you
sucker, but I couldn't find confirmation anyone know either way. Yes, it
is canceled. They also canceled one of the one of the the other four
K from Bronze, and I think, oh it's Charlie Verick is also getting
canceled as well, and I don't remember exactly why, but yes, both
of those are getting canceled from Keno. So we have in four K or
just the uh, the trilogy trilogy at the moment, at least uh.
I want to be selfish and say I don't put out once upon a time
in America because I have value with what I have. Yeah, it's it's
worth quite a bit right now. Let's see one one fish, due fish,
green fish, bluefish. Where was that posted? Couldn't find on their
socials. I believe it was on the blu ray dot com forum, celest
unfortunately, and Keno. If nobody is going on the blu ray dot com
form, Keno is very active on there. They can get a little what's
a nice word to put it, snarky. Yeah, they get a little
snarky on there. It's actually kind of fun. Yeah, they did say
Charlie Varrick was a legal issue. That's right, Anthony. I just remembered
that next up is The Holdovers. We got some more details on this.
This is coming very soon, so soon, in fact, next week January
second on Blu Ray from Universal, and this is gonna have an alternate ending,
which I'm very curious to check out some deleted scenes and introduction by the
director and the cast of The Holdover sit down and they are discussing getting into
the minds of their characters. You meet the boys of Barton, the school
that they were attending, and learn more about Alexander Paen's casting process. And
I gotta admit, the cast in this movie is incredible, so I'm very
curious to see what he thinks on that. Can I just note that it's
really annoying. Is Universal putting this out, yes, sir, which means
they put on there. Yep, it looks so terrible. I wish that's
not this are not collectors addition, I mean there's features. The hard part
is it's Universal, so there's a chance that will come out in four K
in six months. Yeah, of course, especially if it wins an Oscar
and it'll definitely win at least one. I'm sure trying to think we put
up Parasite because Parasite had that same run where it was Blu Ray won awards
Criterion and then four K. Was that the order? I think the four
K may have come out before Criterion. Maybe it was. It was one
of the I feel like the four K and the Criteria were pretty close together.
Yeah, they were very close together. And the hard part the four
K Parasite doesn't look that great. It's about the same as the Blu Ray.
Ye the Criterion one, just because I didn't known it yet. Yeah,
it's it's nothing to write home about for that four K. U Next
up, e oh god, March fifth, we are getting a Walmart exclusive
Blu Ray steel book of Kickboxer from nineteen eighty nine. And man if I
did not get many, many many comments on the art on this today.
Are you a are you a Jean Claude Van dam Stan? I wouldn't say
Stan. I like I like some Uh that is not encouraging me to buy
the steel book that doesn't look like Jean Claude Van Dam Interstellar. Do you
remember the Interstellar steel book from Best Buy where it did not look like Matthew
McConaughey. Yeah at all. Yeah. Now here's the thing. I like
the style. It's a decent art style. I just wish it looked like
the character's a little better. I don't also like, why is he this
weird pale blue? And it feels like it's one of those things where I
hate to sound like cynical, but it's it's it almost feels like very intern
color theory thing like Taylor Orange, Taling orangee uh, Michael Smith, I
don't know a single movie is Jean Claude van Dam. I don't the fourth
Universal Soldiers movie. That movie is awesome. I'd never seen another Universal Soldiers
movie, but I could say that one's good. Yeah, this is this
is odd and it's coming from lions Gate. There was a rumor, I
believe Felcher kind of started the rumor that the Vestron was maybe going to put
this out. It is coming from lions Gate and there's no Vestron symbol on
the spine, which in a moment, we're going to talk about another steel
Book, and we'll see that there's a Vesturan symbol on the spine, So
this is a it's a little rougher lions Gate from there. Yeah, yeah,
like I I don't know, it's it's I don't It'd be interesting to
see how this whole wall, because I guess Walmart's getting all the best Bays
stuff now in twenty twenty four, they're getting a lot of it. And
here's the thing. And I again, uh, not to hype the zine
up too much, but I do mention this in this month's zene as it's
coming out right now. From what I've been told by somebody recently, it
is not a given that Walmart is getting every inclusive steel book, but it's
literally unless there's a pre written contract from a company like Lionsgate. They definitely
had one, and Disney had one previously with Blu Ray. But on literally
an individual title basis, companies have to negotiate a steel book or not.
And that's why something like The Creator got a steel book in the UK but
not the US. Nobody wanted to pay for the rights for the exclusive for
the Creator because they didn't think it would sell, so we just plane did
not get the steel book in the US. And I'm guessing it's not looking
greg because I mean, I know a lot of this is down to focused
testing and saying, well sci fi, it's not steel books aren't selling great,
so because we just have a bunch of them, stuck it best Buy,
so the creator didn't make enough money to do it. Because I mean,
what was funny is I think we talked about Avatar. You said,
I think you said the first Avatar steel book is kind of hard to find,
but the second one there were hundreds of them. It felt like,
Yeah, I waited months to order that one, and I got. The
hard part about that one is they were selling it for forty dollars months and
months and it just recently went on sale and all kinds of people were posting
pickups of it. So price is definitely a big part of that. Let's
talk about some more steel books though we got well after this, I guess
March twelfth, Dcal is releasing the ISS. This is coming on Blu Ray.
This is not even out in theaters yet. This is released on January
nineteenth, and it looks pretty great. I'm very curious to see this one.
Yeah, it's I don't know, I like a Paranoi thriller. I'm
all into it, same same. I think we got one more DCAL to
discuss first. Yeah, March twelfth. DCAL is also releasing Ferrari. Right
now, it's only listed as a BLU ray. This will probably only get
a Blu ray, But for Michael mannfilm, I really hope DCAL improves their
encoding. Even though I hear Ferrari's not great. Did you get see Ferrari
saying it tomorrow perfect timing? Yeah, I hear Penelope Cruz is incredible in
this, but everything else is pretty much a letdown. Did you see that
clip with I think they were in France and a critic was asking about asking
Adam Driver why the crashes didn't look great, and he's like, He's like,
what do you have to say about that? And he's like, I
don't know, go fuck yourself. I don't know. I saw that being
I didn't see the full context of it. I just saw him saying that
interesting silent Mannibal saying he's heard the opposite heard it's great. It's that.
I mean. I feel like Black Hat has a huge following. Yep,
I still plan on it's a huge. It's got a very vocal following,
So I mean that's true, that's true. Uh, let's see Celestie's asking,
what do you mean every still book is negotiated individually? Like I guess
my question is as opposed to what what in every title or exclusive be negotiated
individually, regardless of the former not necessarily. One of the examples of that
is Disney. Disney had an exclusive with best Buy. They had that contract
set in place before the whole best Buy was gone, so they basically dictated
what was coming out on Blu Ray or what was coming out in a stee
booker not because they already had that set up in place, and best Buy
just put up with it. They were the exclusive carrier and that was that.
But nowadays, I mean, with multiple companies putting out steel books,
they get to choose who to put it out or not to put it out,
and if nobody wants to bid on that exclusive rights, it just doesn't
come out. I am curious, Like I usually i'd be very against something
like best Buy stopped doing it and then Walmart takes over. But I'm almost
wondering if that means there's going to be more copies spread out because of how
many Walmarts there are compared to Best Buys, like maybe it'll actually be possible
to get some of these that Like I went to get Oppenheimer the day it
released and my best Buy just said, yeah, we didn't get it.
I'm like, you just didn't, Okay. Cool. That one is different
because all of those sold out on pre order, so literally no store got
them. Literally no store got them, which is insane, Like the demand
is there, it is, the other part is with Walmart, many Walmart's
are not getting any of these exclusive releases in, so for many people,
if you don't get them in, your only option is to buy them in
the mail, and then we get questions like we're getting right now from Julius
Thunderhead. I hope that's how you say it might be. Guillias Steel books
look awesome, but I rarely bother because it's so hard to get them in
good condition, even for pre orders and new releases. Any tips no order
from Best Buy, but sadly you have to wear from the Best Buy.
I would say, try to find them in the store so you can inspect
them first, but that's not always feasible, and it's that's why I get
Oppenheimer I was like, I'm not gonna order it. I'm gonna go in
this store and buy it, and like I do every other one, and
I couldn't do it on that one. I and I get it because some
steel books are really nice that a lot of times they have better art the
the There's been a couple that have been you know that there's exclusive discs or
something in there. But then if they're gonna come up banged up to you,
why why would you go through the process. It's especially when they're hate
because of the digital codes make it so hard because like I got the Rambo
by the box that they had to steal the box that they had and I
didn't notice any damage until I had opened it up, and they gave me
such a hard time about that. And it wasn't like I'm not one of
those people if there's a couple of scuffs that's gonna bother me, right,
this was a huge dent that I couldn't see until I took the paper off.
Yep. And it's like, no, you can't, we can't accept
it because of the digital I'm like, I haven't used it, just can
I please return it and get a good one? And the hard part with
that is they'll sometimes they'll say we can we can exchange it for the same
item, but you have to open it in front of us, which okay,
Like how does that stop anything? Because anyways, yeah, I'm gladly
do that. They didn't even give me that option. I'd end up calling
best By customer Service and they had to do everything on their end, and
then I could go in there and just pick it up. Yeah, Rubin
says, my Walmart usually only has DVDs. Same there's like seven Blu rays
at mine, and most of them are all brand new films, no steal
books, and then everything else is DVDs for the craziest things you could possibly
imagine, like asylum films, random copies of the Gate, stuff like that.
The section of just like Indie Horror is very fascinating. It's just like
they even have like a whole section for it. There's so much, it's
so weird, and they're all on DVD. Indie Horne DVDs specifically. Next
up March twelfth on Blu Ray from Relativity Media is free. This is the
brand new John Cena and Alison Brie helmed like Let's have an Adventure Action movie
that's coming out. Yeah, this, this to me feels like The Lost
City. The trailer looked like The Las City. Feels like it. It's
the same thing. It's such an odd genre. Can I just say,
poor Christian Slater, I want to see Christian Slater and something big again.
I feel like you could still do it. Mister Robot was a really good
role for him. I was hoping that would open him up a lot more.
Yeah darn all right, So here's that other steel book I was talking
about March fifth on Blu Ray as a Walmart exclusive steel book from the Vestron
video line. And this is how we can see that. When you zoom
in, there is a Vestron icon logo at the bottom of that steel book
there, so it looks like Kickboxer is not going to be a part of
the vestra on line like was rumored previously. And then this is the outside
of the steel book. This is the inside of the steel book. That
classic art is on the inside. I don't I don't hate this one.
It's actually if they would do it for all of them, I would be
way more excited because I was like, these would look good together. Yeah,
if you're going to collect a restaurant, and they've done too now they
a lot of people forget a few months ago Restauran, I feel like they
were testing the waters. But they put out Maximov Maximum Overdrive in a steel
book, right, that's right, And now we got little Monsters. And
then after this we also have Shivers from David Cronenberg as a Walmart exclusive.
We have people going to Walmart for a release of Shivers from David Cronenberg.
That's such a weird sentence to make in twenty twenty three. Yeah, I
think this steel is beautiful. Also coming from the restauran line on March fifth,
and the inside is the classic arts like that. I mean, this
is pretty, It's nice. Yeah. I I'd be curious to see if
they continue doing this, how their artill involved, because that doesn't seem like
they care as much about uniformity in the sense that every one of them needs
to like have something, which I think is a good thing. I think
them looking unique is better than just trying to keep the like one basic outline
for very different movies. Yep. Anthony says Kickbox are probably going to be
the same old lions Gate Blu Ray most likely which restaurant that's all they do
now anyway, right, which I know they're not no a restaurant for that,
but what do you mean like they I know, wasn't it like restaurant.
They used to be a lot more expensive because they actually did the restoration
work, and then they got like dirt cheat because they stopped doing that.
That's what it feels like, because the quality went down, starting actually with
Little Monsters that we just talked about. That was the first one that was
kind of icky looking compared to the rest. But I've never understood how this
was always so expensive for the vestaur online. They own the rights to the
films, they're the studio, don't have to pay for licensing. I've never
understood. Well, it's like that's why I never owned Maximum overdrives because like
I like that movie, all right, but it's like thirty bucks. I'm
okay. And then the Steel Book came out and I think it was only
twenty yeah, which is it's crazy to do to people. Let's see,
we had a question, Uh I missed it, Dustin saying why is Alson
Bree holding a cell phone in that picture? And I wanted to see what
that was. Okay, that's weird. And what is that is a big
cell phone and the explosion is visible in the cell phone. I love internsk
thank you God for that. And it's what I can't even read that,
Uh, the director of Taken, I don't even know who that is.
I they literally don't name him at all on this poster or in the synopsis.
So yeah, I don't think I've ever said I'm gonna watch Taken for
the director, So I just can't even tell you who it is. Terry's
pointing out Shivers was in Walmart when it was released through restaurant. Yes,
all of the restauran has been showing up in Walmart, thankfully. It's just
weird to have everybody go to Walmart for a Walmart exclusive release of Shivers.
From David Cronenberg, I wish Eric from MVD rewind did an uncut hybrid cut
of Kickboxer the same way he did Lionheart. I think that's what everybody wanted
for sure. Tick talkers be tick talking oh Man, embarrassing photoshop. Absolutely.
It reminds me, well, this isn't as bad because it's not a
big budget movie. But did you ever see that poster of a Ready Player
one where the dude's leg is like ten feet long as he's going up on
the ladder, and you're like, that is a major movie for them to
have that much of a screw up on the poster design. Yep, it's
impressive. It's yeah, it's pretty embarrassing. Final regular movie going right,
gonna watch right. Final one for the week is another steel book, and
there is another Walmart steel book. They are doing Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom.
Let me zoom in a little so everybody can see this design. This
is coming soon. We don't have an actual release date for this yet,
but it is a four K steel book. It will also have the Blu
ray and the digital code. No details on features or anything yet, of
course, because it'll be a while, but you can pre order this now
if you really want to. I hate to say it, but I think
this first time I could say the inside art works better than the outside artwork.
It's pretty good compared to that outside. Thunderhead is saying, of course,
two of the vestrons I bought now have much cooler looking steel books coming.
This is a solid question Michael Smith asking how long before we see a
film written, directed and performed by Ai it's all gonna come down to as
sad as it is in my opinion, it's just actors and writers fighting tooth
and nail every time it comes up to keep it from happening. Because I
mean a studio I would love to try it. I mean absolutely, they're
aching to try it to see what happens. All right, reminder, time
let's go over what is releasing next week. We have The Holdovers The A
Poo Trilogy four K from Criterion, Forced Vegeance from Scream Shout Studios, The
Facts of Murder. This is one of the titles that's in that World Noir
box set from Radiance, but this one's coming out by itself in the US,
The marsh King's Daughter. I did not get to see that one.
Did you see that one? It looked interesting, but I never got around
to it. Now I was another one that didn't stay in my theater very
long. Yeah, that's what I certainly wanted to see. I mean,
Daisy Ridley and Ben Mendelson are an interesting pair at least please not now the
Bridge at Bardeaux film coming from Keno Antic Comedy. That one is coming from
MGM. Same with Poppy and then a hard problem that one is the last,
not a whole lot coming out next week. It is a very very
slow time for releases, usually around the holidays. That's the case. Anything
major from there that you're picking up anytime soon right away, I don't think
so. I thought I may get the holdovers eventually, but honestly, I'll
probably hold out to see if they do a four K the next year.
I imagine this one probably will get a four K after award season, and
wouldn't be surprised if that even were overseas first. That seems to be happening
with like Turbine recently for a few titles from Universal, So I imagine it'll
come eventually. Oh and Ronnie says another dirty dancing? Is that is that
there? I don't know what's going on here because there's no picture. Let
me see what it says just a Lionsgate Blu Ray DVD. It's probably the
four K remaster on a Blu Ray disc. What that is? Oh well,
all right, it is time, my friend, to uh have everybody
start discussing the one the only Stephen King. And so this one is so
interesting because no matter if you like love Stephen King's riding or not. If
you are a horror fan, you have no choice really but to see many
Stephen King adaptions. It's so odd that you you could not even know that
you were, you know, hooked on Stephen King and yet love this horse
material and you've never read a book of his in your life. I'm gonna
be honest, I've only read a handful. Uh, and it's been a
very long time since I read them. So tonight, while we are discussing
these, these are gonna be favorite of the adaptions. These are not the
best adaptions for what the story said and what they put on screen, and
it's the best way to adapt that specific story. These are our favorites.
And now, why Stephen King? Why Stephen King a big deal for you,
Zack? It's because I'm a stereotype when it comes to being a horror
fan. I started with reading Stephen King's That's really how I got into reading.
I've read probably up to I'm trying to think what book it would have
been some probably doo McKee. I had read probably ninety five percent of what
he has written. Wow, since then, it's closer to probably fifty.
I'm very behind. And you know, I think Stephen King gets a hard
time in his modern writing, but I do think he still comes up with
a lot of great stuff. I still think he's a very influential writer,
and I mean it's just hard to avoid him. I mean, we'll get
into this list, and I mean the amount of major genre directors that have
decided to adapt one of his works is honestly impressive. There were some where
I'm like, oh, they did two of them there. I didn't realize
that this person did this, And I mean you just you start looking at
your like it has been a such an influence and since the seventies, and
still I mean I don't I don't think we go a year without some type
of Stephen kingan adapt Asian anymore. Oh, that would be that would be
really interesting to look at, like what is the I'm sure there's been a
handful of years where we didn't get anything because we only have I think if
you count all of the TV stuff as well, there's like sixty total,
and a few of those all came out in the same year, so I'm
sure there's like four or five years that nothing came out. But man,
that would be really fun to look at, like how many what's the longest
chain in a row that we got something every year, yeah, because I
mean, and they're just taking these random stories now, like this year was
the Boogeyman and then last year was mister Harrington's Phone. Yeah, and it's
like now we're just like scraping what's left. Yeah, and there I mean
even just a few years ago, the story that everybody had been told for
years, like you can't possibly after this one film that we're going to talk
about at least on my side tonight, And now we got that because somebody
that has found himself adapting multiple King stories has has take it and ran with
it, and it's pretty damn good. So I would I would see,
uh, you know what everybody has. I will try to highlight as many
comments as I have, but we're gonna go through a full top ten.
I actually have four that are pretty close to my top ten. So after
we get done, I'll name a few that are close. So why don't
you go ahead start us off? What is number ten? We'll get to.
I'll wait till we're your point to get to the honorable mention, So
I will just start us off real easy. I would actually have liked this
one to be higher up just because of John Carpenter directing it. But it's
got to be Christaine. Yeah, we have the same ten did way,
so we could just talk about this, right, Yeah, you read Christaine,
by the way, I have not. I've never read nothing like it.
Like if you go in expecting it to be like, it is nothing
like it is when we talk about bad adaptations in that sense, it's it's
not good. But as a movie it's awesome. Like I don't know,
it's just there's something really cool because in the book it's much more of the
ghost of the dude who they bought it from whose name is escaping me now
sits in the passenger seat and it's controlling everything, where this one I actually
like that. It's just is it the car or is it Rna doing all
these horrible things? And I think that's just like a really cool way to
go about it. It's much more simple because I think that's more of a
Carpenter's thing. That's how simple can we make this story? Right? We
don't need ghosts? Uh? Yeah, this one is great, And I
the real big thing I want to say about this is this one might even
be tainted and biased a little bit why I love this so much, just
because the damn practical effects in this are so impressive. With the car.
I mean, the fact that we have Carpenter undenting this mangled ass car and
making it look pristine Christ. It is such There's two or three scenes where
it happens, and it's like, no one even tries to do that in
twenty twenty three, and it just shows how much better this is. Like
the texture of those scenes it makes me want to just run my fingers over
the car and go, how the hell did you just do this? Because
this was immaculate, and it comes from a carpenter who's been very open that
he made that movie because they needed money after the thing failed and he got
fired from Firestarter, and it's like he can do that and not care,
you have no excuse exactly. Yeah, he basically like didn't even have that
much invested in it and just to shit it out. And we're like,
yeah, this is really great. I love that. Yeah, And I
mean, you know, it's I always think it's funny the movie they were,
so this is another thing I don't really see as much today. They
were so scared of that movie being PG that they said let's just add as
much cursing in it as we can so we don't get a PG rating.
Yeah, oh, good times with the Carpenter. All right, number nine,
let's jump to yours, the same ten. All right, number nine,
I have let's hope it's different. I have a silver bullet. It
is different. I still have yet to ever see silver bullet. I silver
bullet. I wanted to rewatch it before we did this list, but I
didn't quite get to it because honestly, I was going through, uh I
kind of get a little off tangent here. I was going through some ones
I hadn't seen in a while, and I was like, I'm gonna rewatch
Kujo. I have good memories Kujo was. I hope it's not one of
yours. But Kujo was not good. It's not no, it's not a
good movie. It's really boring. I don't need to hear about it.
Like I was so like, when do we get like, I know this
is like a king person, like this is in the book, and I
remember it being in the book. But for some reason, I was like,
that's what they cut out of the movie, right, because this is
ninety minutes. I don't want to spend forty five minutes talking about infidelity.
I'd like to see the dog do something. It was that one and I
watched it chapter one, which I'll be interested to see if that's on there.
I was actually pretty disappointed by that one, So I was one I
really wanted to get to because I have such a good nostalgia for it,
and I think it holds up because even like it's probably been fifteen years since
I've seen it, and I still remember like the transformation in the church.
I remember them treating like there's a scene where they treat like the making of
the bullets, like they're building excaliper Like. It's almost like this fantasy element
to it that's just really cool. It's a very it's a very trophy but
unique vampire not vampire werewolf story. So if you haven't seen it any like
werewolf stuff, definitely check it out. Yeah, I definitely need to check
it out. I've heard a lot of good things. I feel like I
need to go on like a month long werewolf kick. It's been years since
I've watched, like properly watched America were Wolf in London show. My wife
has still never seen Dog Soldiers have you ever seen Late Phases? I don't
even recognize that title. I don't think Late Phases is really good. So
it's about a blind veteran who's sent into a home and he realizes that these
elderly people who are getting killed in his community. He starts to figure out
himself that it's a werewolf, and he like preps for like the whole month
to fight up against It's really good. The guy. Do you ever see
steak Lands? Yes? I love Steakland. The guy the main guy who
played in steak Land. He plays the veteran. I wish I could think
of his name right off, but he's in light phase. Isn't truly good.
I also still need to see that Jim Cummings one that just came out
a few years ago. So The Wolf of Snow that's the one. It
is excellent. Yeah, so it would be very fun to have like a
month long, month long were wolf. Deep Died maybe soon for me.
Dustin is saying, this is the first time I've heard negative things said about
Kujo. It's incredible. The domestic drama of the first half makes the horror
of the second half hit all the harder. While I agree with that it
does make it hit harder. I kind of prefer the Pack came out a
handful of years before Kujo, and it hit a lot of the same things,
even with like the dow attacking the car, and I think the Pack
crossed the line a few places that Kujo was unwilling to. It's I don't
know Kujo is. It meanders a lot, I think, and I just
don't. It's hard to find anyone like well, like I think Dee Wallace,
she does such a fantastic job in that movie, Like no hate to
her, she's awesome in it. But like I just like, I just
keep watching these scenes and I get it's the point. It's like this the
book I'm not the biggest fan of the bookie anyway, but it's like all
these people are like, yeah, I'm sure the dog's fine, and they
just ignore it. And I'm like, these people are awful, Like taketed
the dog to the ft Jesus, like he's just so Like it's just like
I don't know who to root for in this movie. Besides, the kid
probably shouldn't die. He didn't do anything right right, Well, this is
gonna be funny timing for my number nine because you just said I'll be interested
to see if it's on the list, and a lot of people are gonna
be upset, probably with what I'm gonna say about all this, but uh,
it's chapter one and chapter two combined are my number nine spot. And
I gotta say, I've never read the full book. I have started it
and never got through it. I understand that it's very different than the movies,
but for me this one especially, and I obviously love the miniseriies it
from the late eighties as well. I truly love the cast in it chapter
one and chapter two. I think that they cast it basically perfectly. All
of the kids are great, the adults are great. I understand that part
two, for a lot of people are is rather off putting, but I
really like it. I really like the restaurant scene at the beginning. I
like the way that they sorry, I've never sneezed online before, buss you,
thank you. I really like the way that they attacked a lot of
the actual mythology that I feel like the mini series was sort of lacking a
little bit when it got to the adult side. I yes, and that's
what Simner just said, is what I hear a lot without splicing them together
to loses all of the nostalgia of the first half. I get that,
but I didn't want nostalgia in that second half. I wanted it to feel
like a modern take. I really like the mini series and both of them
together. I just think it's a really fun story. I think they did
a pretty damn good job of it. I won't say it's my favorite,
but when it comes to all of the adaptions that we've got, it's number
nine for me. I'm into it. Yeah, I was there. I
remember going to see it in theaters. It was hyped. I mean,
I'm sure you remember how hyped Ver One was. It made an ungodly amount
of money for what it was like. It's honestly impressive to go back and
look at it making like seven hundred million dollars on an R rated movie about
you know that didn't get that much of a budget, honestly, and it
was made by a director. It only made a couple of things. I
think, going back to it years later, the only issue, the biggest
issue I really had with it, and I think this was probably brought up
in when it came out, is the movie is really, really good at
this background horror stuff, like you know, the librarian staring at Ben as
like he's reading the pages and you just if you don't notice it, you
don't notice it, but it's there and it's really cool. But then it's
kind of underdone to me when it's just like shaking, going running towards the
camera, like it's like it's that it's just one of those things where it
just kind of doesn't take me out of it. It gets the scare it
needs to, but then I just feel like it's gone, like all that
build up is just gone for me a little bit. I am interested in
going back to chapter two because I've read so many people who have this interesting
thing where they actually like chapter two a lot better and they didn't like chapter
one. So I'm like, I'm kind of interested in going back because even
in the book, you kind of it's the issue of I'm really interested to
see what's going on with the kids, because it's just more tense like when
you're reading what's going on with the kids and stuff. But yeah, you
should read the book if you ever get a chance, like listen or not.
There's a couple good audiobooks of that one I'd really recommend it if you're
an audiobook person. I need to, I really do. I won't say
that I will, but I need to. I know that. Go ahead.
I was gonna say. The only thing I would say is, if
you don't read anything else by King and this movie definitely won't be on either
of our list, that'd be completely shocked. Definitely go through the Dark Tower
series. I still think it's the greatest thing he's ever done. I think
it's some of the greatest fantasy novels ever written. They're so good, they're
they're excellent. Yeah, lots of people giving comments on it Chapter two,
specifically, a couple of defenders, not many, but a couple. Celeste
wrapping the Misery audiobook. Nice. All right, So that is my number
nine, and I'm very curious to see the rest of your list. Now
let's go to number eight. What do you got? I have one that
is probably, I'm guessing's a hot take. I've never heard anybody talk about
it except for negative things, but I have Toby Hooper's The Mangler. We
have haunted laundromat. That's a really all I'd say. It's it's completely coke
Field, which is pretty much how the story was written, and then you
have Toby Hooper taking that coke Field idea and just going wild with it.
Like I Hooper is one of those guys that, to me is just strangely
underrated, even though it came up with the Texas Chainsaw massacre, but it
seems like everything after that was just devisive or he didn't get to do what
he wanted to. The Mangler just feels so unique and there's nothing else like
it. I understand why people hate it. I could see being it's kind
of like I think the way some people feel about Maximum Overdrive, like it
feels too coke Field, but I'm really into it because of that. Yeah,
Maximum Overdrive feels coke Field through the whole thing. The Mangler feels coke
Field, primarily like through the writing. Yeah, The Mangler is not on
my actual list tonight, I will say, uh slight spoilers, it's on
my honorable mentions because it's it's pretty damn unique, and based on that alone,
I kind of had to bring it up because it's it's such a fun
like I'm gonna throw this on and go what am I watching? Because this
is so weird type of movie I love it. The Mangler's great, and
I feel like that's Hooper's career, like, right, I mean you look
at like like Life Force and you watch it Eating Alive and you're like,
these are just wild movies are watching. Yeah, I I need to rewatch
Eating Alive. For some reason, I've only seen it once, and that
one time I watched it, I think I was put off by the hotel
set or something about it, and you just rubbed me the wrong way the
entire film because of that, And now that I know what it is,
I really just need to give it a watch again. Eating Alive, Right,
Yeah, Yeah, it's sad is it's it's very dreamlike when you go
back to it now, it's it's a very fascinating movie. I love Eating
Alive. I wish I could a better release, all Right, My number
eight is probably higher on many people's list, but I'm gonna go with stand
by Me. This is probably a damn near perfect script and obviously has some
of the best tension filled shots in some of the King adaptations. And it's
just it's just a good story that's through and through. Like obviously we're talking
about a writer who writes very well who's one of the best, who's literally
one of the most famous authors of all time, and Stand by Me is
one that when I put it on, I can look away and look back
twenty minutes later and know exactly what's happening because I've seen it so many times.
But even if I hadn't, it is one that I could do that
because you can kind of feel the blanks and in the story because it sort
of tells itself. It is such a like true to life coming of age
type story for this group of kids that you can just tell what is going
to happen. And that's not a knock on it in any way. It's
more of just, yeah, this is why we make movies. This is
why we tell stories because they're relatable. And this one, especially for people
that grew up you know, sort in the middle of nowhere in a in
a very specific time. You could see yourself living in many different roles in
this movie. And it's just it's just fantastic. And what a cast like
cast movie. It's it's another one of those like when you watch the Guinies
and you're like, they really did have like a super solid casting director.
Yeah do this well, Yeah, that's a couple of these that are they're
kind of like yet Chapter one actually there cast so perfectly it would be kind
of hard to fail. Uh, And I will keep that in mind.
I did not know that, so I will definitely look up that release.
All right, your number? What are we on? Seven? So I
have another controversial one, but not because of its inclusion, but where I
included it. So my number seven is Stanley Kubrick's The Shining, which I'm
sure will be much higher on yours. I kind of figured there would be
around the middle. Yeah. Yeah, The Shining is awesome. I've rewatched
it plenty of times. I've probably seen it more than I've ever needed to.
It's one of those where I don't know if it's where I've just watched
more Kubrick films and it's kind of like slid for me because I've seen his
other stuff, or it's just I've seen it way too many times, but
it's just it's kind of dropped a little bit for me. While I do
like Nicholson's performance on its own, I do understand, like King has been
very adamant that Nicholson was a bad casting and I get that, Like I
really get that that it was not the best. It works for the film,
and it's hard to separate that sometimes because I've read The Stand as a
I mean not Stand, but The Shining so many times in book for him
as well, which I highly recommend even if you're very different read The Shining.
The Shining is great. It's just a very different type of horror,
but it's hard to really shines. One that's hard to talk about. It's
everything has been said about it. Yep, I get it, Summoner says.
Once you've read the book, you realize where Kubrick's version really loses the
heart of the story. That being said, it's still a very world,
very well made film. Yeah, I mean it's a It's a movie that's
supposed to be about being an alcoholic and overcoming that, and Kubrick's version does
not have that at all. It basically makes King stand in the villain.
So I can understand why King was not crazy about it. Yeah, obviously
this is notorious for King hating this one, especially when he's given so much
praise to some really fucking terrible movies. Yep, yep, yep, yep.
My number seven is one that I have a feeling is gonna be higher
on yours. My number seven looms large over my shoulder tonight, and that
is Carrie. This is this is the one that started it all for King.
This is a great story. This is the one that he could spend
a little bit of time perfecting, got turned down by quite a few and
his wife sort of pushed him to get the story out there. Obviously that's
this long legend at this point, but it's an incredible story. But more
importantly, Sissy's basic is legendary in this film, and Piper Laurie is amazing
in this and the whole story is just for outcast, for people that are
cast aside, for people that are pushed down, for people that are just
playing bullied. This is an incredible piece of dark humanity, and in many
of King's things, when there's such a supernatural take, and obviously this has
supernatural stuff in it as well, the dark aspect of humanity, and this
rings true across so many different stages of life, across different classes, which
is very rare in the King stuff across different societies and figures across the entire
world. Love this movie. It is damn near incredible. Yeah, not
much else I can say about it. It's just it's just not high up
on my list because others are the favorite. Like this is almost a perfect
movie for me. Yeah, I want to. I'll be talking a little
bit more about Carrie here soon. But I do I think what makes this
like so important to King is I think it's the movie that's you can look
back on and kind of be happy that someone like that got the success he
did because of something like this. Like I think it's kept him feeling very
down to earth, Like when you listen to him in interviews and things like
that, he just seems like kind of a nice guy. And it's because
it's like he earned his success in a lot of ways and he deserved it,
and he just seemed like a nice guy. So having something like Carrie,
and I don't know if a lot of authors would do that. You
know, they're saying, well, I'm going to write from the perspective of
a seventeen year old girl and basically the horror of getting her first peer.
Yeah, like that is a wild direction to go for your first novel.
Absolutely, uh Dell on Movie says, I always you carry more as religious
satire than horror. Any thoughts on that. I think it could be both.
I mean, I I this is one of these things where I fry
my artists to separate like King from his work because I mean, this is,
this is the Palmer, this is I'm trying to figure out how what's
the best way to think about it when you think about like the Palma,
I could see him really discussing them more now we're talking about the novel.
I think King has struggled a lot with talking about religion, like that's such
a main theme in his in his books is higher power and things like that,
So it definitely can be especially when he talks about like maybe organized religion.
Yeah, yeah, I could see that. The big thing for me
is, yeah, it is a religious satire, but it's also terrifying.
It's a terrifying satire. And that's with true satire. It doesn't satire doesn't
necessarily mean comedy. So with that it is it's a send up of how
fundamental religion can fuck with somebody and fuck with this family doesn't entirely Yeah,
and I mean it's I mean, how especially when you go to school and
you think back to the people I'm not gonna say ignored but you know,
the weird kids you didn't really pay attention to because they were so isolated from
everyone else. And you're like, I think that that was what made King
so interesting. Is he kind of put you in that driver's seat of were
you ever this person? Did you ever? Were you a little cruel as
a kid? Yep? And you know, I think that what makes it
like he'll get made fun of for his bullies because he makes some psychopathic bullies.
Oh yeah, things feel so much more true to life, like these
are just mean kids, mean for the sake of being mean. Yeah,
throwing at somebody in the shower and yeah, yeah, and I mean.
And that was probably the biggest mistake they made in the remake with uh,
what's your name? Chloe? Chloe Grise Moritz. That's it is. I
feel like they went too hard on the bullying, which is not a usual
thing for King, because like you look at like Henry Bowers in it that
it's just a psychopath, like a complete Like I know you haven't read the
book yet. If you really want to say some psychopathic behavior, the book's
even worse. Yeah, yeah, it's it's and his friends too are just
as bad. So it's like Henry gets a lot of the thing than it.
But yeah, I'm guessing you don't have the remake on your list.
I do not know. I was gonna keep to one. But even then,
it's not it doesn't stand up to the level of everything we've talked about
tonight. Like, even even if you bring up something silly like The Mingler,
which is my like fourteen, I'd still rather watch that than the It
Read or the Carrie remake, I think. Yeah, And it's Julianne Moore
I think is the standout in the remake, Like I think she's really good.
Yeah, yeah, I would agree. There there's a couple of pretty
interesting scenes, and I get this is a weird thing to compliment this day
and age. But the marketing on the Carry remake was pretty damn great.
They did a lot of really cool things for that, but I don't know,
I feel like that movie could have been better. Yeah, and I
think they marketed it. There are some things they did bad at the marketing,
Like they made a point that it's gonna be closer to the novel and
then it was just a remake of Palma's film, and it's like, which
I'm fine with, just market it that it's a remake of to Palma's film
and not a readaptation exactly. Dell says the remake wasn't terrible, but suffered
from making Julianne Moore's version of the mom pretty weak and trying to fit everything
into PG. Thirteen was a huge problem. Yeah, definitely was. Yeah,
it had to be right behind my head. This is the perfect night
for it, and I think it's probably about time to switch that out maybe
after the show. All right, sir, we are all the way down
to that was my seven, so you're six. So I guess I'm gonna
just go ahead and hit Toby Hooper again. We're gonna talk about Salem's Lot.
It's another one where it's just, you know, you think about like
what Anne Rice did for vampires. Salem's Lot kind of changed a lot about
how we vie vampires today, Like we think of them a lot in a
modern sense now, but that was a lot more rare even when Salem's Lot
book came out. When the mini series came out, I think it was
considered a mini series. There's like three hours when that came out, and
it's it's influence. Its influence is just so cool, especially when we're talking
a little bit more about something a bit more feral. You know, it's
it's not a very attractive vampire. It's not the Dracula we think of,
So Salem's Lot's just cool, like, especially for a TV movie. I'm
gonna have one more TV movie on here, but this one is could easily
be the exception for how great it is. I have one left as well.
Interesting, Yeah, this is this is great, but I'm gonna I'm
gonna keep some thoughts to myself. Okay. Number six for me is one
that's gotten quite a few mentions in the chat tonight, and that is misery.
I think this is maybe I'd have to really look at the list.
If I was gonna make this argument, I probably should have paid attention earlier.
But I think Annie Wilks might be the best villain that Stephen King adaptations
have. I'm really happy with the way that this was made. I think
the acting in this is legendary from both of our individuals, which obviously with
Kathy Bates and somebody as Mary's con like, you expect it to be that
perfect and it's so I don't know, it's like heartbreaking to see both sides
of the story because you get sort of some of these scenes from both of
their povs, and the one scene that everybody remembers from this is super painful
because of your empathies you're watching it, of course, but the countless scenes
of him trying to escape that room and just being in so much pain.
Not to make this extra personal for me, but I have been somebody that's
had two foot surgeries. I've been somebody that's had gout many many times in
my life, and because of my upbringing, it was misdiagnosed for a decade,
so it tore up the joints on my foot, and I had constant
gout flare ups for years. And now now that I'm away from that family,
I've been good for six years, haven't had a single flare up,
thank goodness. And because of all that, like watching misery nowadays is just
this painful experience of, Oh my God, Like I have been in the
middle of the night, crawling across the floor the way he is in massive
amounts of pain, and I know exactly what he's going through, and because
of that, it just sits in this deep pit of my stomach and I
adore this film. It's incredibly well made, but good law, good god,
does it hurt to watch? And you know, that's one of those
ones they changed from the novel that I think was a good change because I
think it makes me cringe so much harder because he has this. I don't
know if it's one or both of see. I think it's just one cut
off with an axe, and I don't know, there's something about watching that.
It's rough. It's rough to watch the mallet scene. Yeah, it's
pretty bad. It's pretty bad, all right, moving on to your number
five. For number five, we've already talked about it, but it's Di
Palma's carry. I've had a lot about that one, so I'll keep it
short. It's just I think somebody mentioned in the comments. I wish I
knew who it was, but they mentioned that it was also an important movie
for Di Palma, and they're very much right. I mean, it's kind
of hard to remember that this was still fairly early in his career and how
different some of his stuff would be around this era too, So really cool
one for him. I think it would have been interesting to ever see to
Palma like tackle King again, especially just you know he did Hitchcock enough,
you can still a little king too, But yeah, that would be my
number five. That's a solid pick and uh yeah mine probably could have been
higher. Not not gonna argue with that, of course, video stores pointing
out gotta love the Misery production design some of the best fully agreed. Let's
see, Misery is flat out brilliant. Phone's about to die from Brendan.
But happy New Year, guys, Same to you, Brendan. Uh,
it's a miracle. Kathy Bates wasn't typecast as a villain after Misery, and
in fact, like she got she got all kinds of weird rules after Misery,
and I'm here for she's always like this fun, outlandish hippie or something
like that. And uh, yeah, she's great and not the only king.
Maybe she's played on no and she is, Yeah, she's she's pretty
fantastic. And what she's done. Uh, my number five is one that
we just talked about. And uh, I'm gonna go through Salem's lot now
because I have so much I could say on Toby Hooper. He is he
is by far the most underrated of the main masters of Horror, which obviously
silly title to use. But when you have these main franchises that have been
built up for so many years, and you have somebody that's helmed them for
multiple instances, and they get built up into whatever you know, position that
they're in, they're given some point of respect. But with Toby, it
seems like it's still fought for way more than it needs to be. The
dude was brilliant. He took risks, he tried things that most people never
would attempt to try. And with Salem's Lot specifically, like there are things
that were shown on regular TV that are still competitive with being as terrifying as
some of the images that we get every year now. And Salem's Lot is
such a great rewatch. This is one that you can go back to multiple
times, catch different things the next watch through. It's just easily one of
the best Stephen King adaptions. And without Hooper we wouldn't have got anything like
this. I think that any other filmmaker of that time, at you know
that specifically at that year, making it for TV. I really think it
would have been quite a mess if it was by somebody else. And I
will when people criticize Jump Scares, Salem Slot is the example I've used of
how to do it correctly. Yeah, that is still one of the best
jump scares. It still gets me when I watch it sometimes it's so well
done. Yeah, it's pretty damn great. All right, sir, moving
on to your number four. All right, Well, I was gonna be
able to avoid this list without talking about a Frank Darabant drama about a prison
that came out in the nineties. So we're gonna talk about the Green Mile
because it's way better than Shawshank Redemption. Oh, shaw Shank is fine,
but Green Mile is a movie I'm gonna go ahead and embarrass myself on live.
That is the movie that made me ball my eyes out because I saw
this movie when I was like six years old. Like I still distinctly remember
how bad I cried during this movie. And it's like, you know,
you think about King and you think about, you know, how much he
scared people. He can hit the drama well like when he needed to,
and especially because Green Mile doesn't really have horror, has supernatural elements to it,
but I mean it's almost to the point of being emotionally manipulative. But
I don't think he ever crosses that line. Yeah, Green Mile is great.
I'm not gonna take that away. Of course. I do think nowadays
that I've gone back to rewatch. This especially came when it came out in
four K God, probably two years ago, now, something like that.
I something about it just felt like a little bit more of a slog than
I remembered it being, and I remembered loving this movie. I felt like
they probably could have taken thirty five minutes out of this movie. I think
that's a problem with Dare Bond in general, Like I think he's a very
beloaded storyteller, because I think I had the same problem with Shawshank funny enough
and the mist Shawshank has quite a bit that probably could have been removed and
not changed the story, especially when you're adapting such a short story, like
yeah, there was something to Shashank. It's so so odd. But I
will say the Green Mile, the cast is incredible. Obviously, you get
a legendary performance out of Tom Hanks. Obviously you got a legendary performance from
the big Man. And I'm yeah, I'm sad, sad that he passed
so young, But yeah, the Green Mile better than Shashank. I don't
know about that. Uh, you know, you can't tell me that every
time you see the actor who plays Percy, you don't get like a little
raged. Just doesn't matter what party plays, you're just a little mad.
Yeah yeah, all right. Let me see what else I can do at
number four to piss some people off. For many people, I don't think
this would probably be about this high. I think most people are gonna argue
with that. But I love anthology Horse, so I got to talk about
creep Show. I love this literally, probably one of the top three anthologies
always. I think that this has some of the best segments that we've got
out of any anthology out there. It's got obviously an incredible cast for what
they put together, the people working on it together. You can't really you
can't really argue with the Romero and a King making something like this and then
the style being taken from easy comics and coming up with these stories that are
silly yet also super sadistic in some parts and genuinely scary, and then Stephen
King turning into this crazy mind covered monster. It's it's a wild movie.
It's got some fun parts, and it's it's just really really fun. In
all of his adaptations, this is one that is actually like, I'm having
a really fun time watching this, and it's one that I was very happy
when I got a four K because if I had to pick one, that
movie looks so good, like I was, it was perfect for four K
when it finally got a release. Yeah, yeah, I agree, And
it looks really good on four K. That's the important part. Man.
There's a lot of people argument with my take on Shashank could have some of
that fat trimmed. The hard thing was Shashank when we're talking about that for
a second, when you're taking it from the story, there's nothing to the
story, so all of what is in the book is extra comparatively and really
like that second act is just a little slow. I mean it's not like
I need it all to be you know, fast moving to be interesting.
I love a lot of slow cinema. But shawshank Is is great. I
love Shawshank I just it does feel a little overly long. I feel like
we retread a lot of the same water towards the middle, Like we've talked
about this, Yeah, just kind of a different example of it. And
that's not to say I hate shaw shank I just I really like Green Mile
Shawshank is one where I think I grew up at the time where what was
it? Was it because of The Dark Night that everyone hated that The Godfather
was ahead of it in the top two fifty, so they made Shawshank the
number one movie on IMDb or something insane. So that was during the time
where you had the you know, I grew when I watched it was the
expectations of this is supposedly one of the best movies ever made, and I'm
like, it's pretty good. I liked it. That was kind of where
I ended on that one. Yeah, all right, now's where I'm really
going to piss some people off. Top three time. What do you got
at number three? For number three? I have a movie I think is
way underrated. So I've already done one of his vampire films. I'm gonna
do the other one, the Night Flyer, which was a very confusing not
quite a TV movie. It technically got a theatrical release, but it was
made by HBO, So that one isn't the one I was talking about.
But have you ever seen it? I saw years ago and I just I
say just, but it's been about a year now. I just brought in
the you I think it's a UK DVD set, Yeah, okay, yeah,
yeah, because we don't have a I don't think the US has any
good release of the Nightfall. I don't think so. No, but it's
it's probably to me like King is usually is so good at like a lot
of his characters at least being likable. They're flawed, but they're likable.
The main guy, played brilliantly by Faerrier, is such a dirt bag,
Like this dude is just flying wherever this guy shows up so he can get
like it's night Crawler twenty years before Nightcrawler came out. He's just an awful
person. The vampire design is awesome that they kind of spoil that through every
bit of marketing for night Flyer, because I think that shock is just there
for the first time you see him, just a really I think King always
had like a very interesting I think he really has three vampire stories, and
I think they're all very unique and interesting. Yeah, yeah, he's he's
got a few. I would almost love to see him do another take on
that nowadays. Obviously a lot of the stuff that he's been doing recently is
very different from his super popular stuff, but I would like to see like
a grizzled old man Stephen King take on the vampire story. I'll talk about
one in a little bit, but I do think he has done a modern
vampire take, just far from traditional. Yeah, man, still all kinds
of stuff for shashing going on in the comments. So my number three is
one that you mentioned already, and I don't think it's gonna be on your
list. The Mist I'm a big not really. I was gonna say that
we're not tour here, but it would have been weird to apply to the
two men, and I'm gonna bring up here. But I'm a big fan
of Frank Darbant for a lot of stuff he's done. I think that he
is really great at putting a compelling magnifying glass on certain things that need to
be magnified. With The Mist, we get obviously one of the craziest standings
of all time, and I don't want to spend a lot of time talking
about that. What I really want to talk about is Marcia gay Harden.
Her character in this film is probably the best villain in any of these adaptions,
and it's it is so hard to overstate how evil, how just brash
and like compellingly fundamental. She comes across with just a few lines of dialogue
here and there as this awful, awful person, and she is she is
doing things with her body movements, with the way that she there's a scene
where she moves I think it's a can that long before she gets a can
thrown at her, she moves a can or something and it's just you look
like you're like, if I was writing the story, you'd be like slinking
as you put this up there, and it's she's got this just taut like
awkward condescension about her. That the way that she embraced this character, she
deserves to be raned through the mangler. I mean, she is an awful
person and it ruins so much about this and shows the darkness of humanity and
really really highlights what a lot of us witnessed in three and a half years
or whatever of this pandemic so far, like with this overarching just terrible evil
at the heart of humanity. When going through a tragedy, there's so much
depth to find and she grabs it by the fucking balls. And she's amazing
I did with in regards to that, have you seen Midnight mass by the
way I have, and it's my favorite of the Planning series. Bev is
the closest to that character I've seen away from Oh my god, yep,
credit to that actress. I hated her by the end of it. Like
my girlfriend, I was watching follow the House of Usher. My girlfriend came
in and saw her and she just left. Uh. Yeah, she's she's
incredible. Uh. I do not have the missed online. I almost did.
It was in my honorable mentions. It is. It is a really
good one. It's just not one I watch frequently, right because it's so
depressing it right, you get to that end and it's It's different from the
short as well. The short is a lot more ambiguous and not as final
or heartbreaking. But I think it's great. I actually think it's significantly stronger
than the short. Have you seen the black and white version? I have
what way back when I've not watched the version. It helps the effects,
Like I know a lot of people criticize the effects. It was a low
budget, but I think it looks great for what it is. But the
black and white school, yeah, it hides it pretty well. All right.
So what are we in? Final two? Final? Friend? All
right, Well, we got to get to a TV movie now, so
it wouldn't be King without one. So I'm going to talk about a Storm
of the century. WHOA Yeah. I just think that is one of King's
greatest writings and it wasn't even based on any of his books. I think
it is just such an excellent series of isolation and it has all of the
kingisms without feeling overly tied to his other stuff. It takes place in the
same island as the Lord's Clayburne. We don't worry about her. Andre Lenoge
feels a lot like Randall Flag, but we're not connected to the Dark the
Dark Tower. It's just has all of the things that make kings so sat.
You have the drama of these people and how far they'll push themselves.
You know, they're talking about how they save their children, but it comes
the decision of whose child can go, essentially, and that's just good drama,
like when it comes to King. If you can make good drama out
of it, that's going to heighten up a lot of the horror elements.
So I haven't seen this one in a very very long time, and I
remember really loving it. But I just something I didn't feel great putting it
on the list tonight, so oh, I mean, it was one I
hadn't seen it since I was a kid. I was nervous to rewatch it
when I did it last year because I was like, this is one of
those I have really good memories of as a kid, but I had terrible
taste. I had well, let me put this way, I still have
terrible taste. I had worse taste as a child, So you know,
I was like, who knows how it's going to look now. But I
was pleasantly surprised because after Midnight Mass, I really wanted to watch it because
Midnight Mass is basically Storm of the Century. Interesting, I don't have to
go back and find it then, like there's that scene. I don't try
not spoil them in Midnight Masks, but whether they're all in the church,
it is essentially the rock picking in Storm of the Century, it's you have
somebody get tackled, you have somebody who's adamantly against all of this, and
you have this town convincing themselves that it's okay. It's a You're like,
yeah, Flanning and likes Storm of the Century, and I'm cool with that
interesting. Yeah, I Midnight Mass. Something about that hit perfectly. And
I do really think the flanning and troop of people that he has attached to
him are just a big part of that. That cast in Midnight Mass completely
eats in every single role. Yeah, and I you know, it's it
was fun to see him do usher and use all those people because he got
to use them in very awful ways, and that made it a lot more
entertaining. Yep. Yeah, it's it's very different. Uh, Okay,
So this is where I see some other people lighting pitchforks, lighting pitchforks,
lighting torches, and grabbing pitchforks. My number two, my number two is
the Shining, And I have a feeling many people were gonna think that my
number one was the Shining, and my number one is gonna make some people
really pissed off. I think I'll be real excited to say so. The
Shining is great, it's surreal, it's interesting. It is there's a bevy
of things to look at in every single scene. Obviously it's Kubrick, so
everything has that perfect symmetry, has the feeling of just grotesque. Every scene
there's something about it that's just unnerving, and yeah, I know that it's
not a great take on the novel. However, it is an incredible,
incredible story about Jack Nicholson's character and with Jack Torrens like I think I saw
similar or somebody earlier in the chat say that with the Shining because it was
Jack Nicholson, they knew what was gonna happen by the end of it.
But the funny thing is when this came out that was not the case.
Jack Nicholson played so many off the wall, crazy, funny characters, just
straight up dramatic roles. He was an incredible actor. He was one of
the best frickin' chameleons of that time. And when he starts in this role,
you see him in this super happy, go lucky mood as he's starting
this movie out and just completely lose it. And there's so much about this
that. I mean, the fact that we have a documentary about this movie
that has countless numbers of conspiracy theories and hot takes and weird things in it
shows like how deep the lore for this movie can be. I love it.
It's an incredible, incredible scene of bravery for the way that we get
certain people to perform in this Obviously we all know that Kubrick didn't have a
great track record with how he treated our main actress in this film, but
our three main people that we spend time with, they give every scene they're
all and it's just a beautiful take on an isolating story that makes you go
crazy. I love this movie. It's incredible, and every single rewatch there's
always something great to really go oh shit, I've never noticed that angle or
this piece of production design in the background. It's just so intriguing, Like
how do you choose that? This is one of those best like film school
movies to really see how every single thing is a choice. And I think
there is that sense of ambiguity because of that. Like I mean, if
you just lay out like the plot of the film, it's mostly straightforward.
There's some questions about what happens and what doesn't, but overall, it's like
you're talking about, like the background that is just so fascinating. There's things
that just feel so off. Like one of my favorites that I didn't notice
for years until somebody pointed out, but like when he goes to the interview
office, he's in the middle of the building, but yet there is a
window to the outside behind the guy and you don't pick up on that knowingly,
but something just continues to fill off scene to scene and you're like,
it doesn't make sense and you don't know what it is. Yeah, completely
unnerving. Something about every single scene. You just go something it's a little
off here, and then you know, of course, you know, I
know a documentary talking about it's a very fascinating documentary just to see what people
can come up with, because you know, it's the same thing when you're
talking about any artists, when you talk about their intentions. It's probably not
as deep as you want it to be. But that doesn't make it any
less cool. It doesn't make it any less legitimate. It's just people can
come up with some wild ideas. Alrighty, my friend, let's see you
kiss some people off, all right that I'm actually going to get some stuff
that just didn't quite make my top ten that I think are worth mentioning.
You've actually mentioned four of them, which was stand by me, Zuri,
creep show in the mist all fantastic, the one that I'm going to be
alone here, So before I pissed people off, I'll just give them a
real shocker of picking that this. I wanted this so bad to be in
my top ten because it's such an off the wall pick. It seems like,
but it is Larry Cohen's are Returns to Salem's Lot. Can disconnect it
from Salem's Lot. It is awesome, Like it is such a wild little
movie that I think I understand. I understand that when you take Salem's Lot
with it, you're like, this makes no sense. The movie doesn't make
sense, but it feels like a Larry Cohen film, and I can just
always get behind that. It's a good pick, good pick. So my
number one. Since we hadn't got we've gotten to the main people. We
got to Rob Reiner, and we got to Tobe Hooper, we got to
Frank Derrebah, who were all big into the the King sphere. So the
only one we haven't really got to talk about directly is Mike Flanagan. So
I'm going to end it with Doctor Sleep. I will die on the hill
that Doctor Sleep is better than the Shining I am already. Yeah, let's
both talk about doctor Sleep. Someone I was going to pick the Running Man,
so I at least got to prove them wrong. Yeah, this is
gonna piss a lot of people off because we didn't mention, Like if pet
Cemetery has not even going to mention tonight, there's a couple of big ones
that have not even grased our lips tonight. But something about Flanagan works so
perfectly for me. He understands King's tone, Like I think that's something and
I don't think anyone has to do it. I don't think Hooper is one
that's interested in King's tone or anything like that, but I think Flannagan gets
it very well, Like he understands the heart of what makes King King to
me, the melodrama, the things like that, And I think there's no
better example of that than Doctor Sleep, which should have been the most impossible
movie to make. Yeah. I was really ready for the flashback scenes to
be god awful, and somehow they were just respectful and like properly carried out.
I really expected to be able to tear apart every single scene that they
did that in and I couldn't. I gotta admit Ewan McGregor way better than
I expected him to be in this film. I was completely stuck for every
single scene that they did for this I was very happy with this, like
trying to toe the line as they went down this entire crazy story because this
could have fallen apart at many many different parts, and somehow flanning And is
able to wringle it all in and he doesn't always do that. Like House
of Usher, I gotta admit didn't really hold for me like like this did.
I think House of Usher is maybe his biggest failure for me yet as
far as everything he's made, Literally, I'm very happy with this one.
I really wish more people had seen it. I feel like a lot of
people just refuse to watch it because of the connection to the Shining And I
don't know why. This movie is so damn good. Yeah, and I
mean I actually thought you were gonna pick Gerald's Game because Gerald's Game is one
that people said was impossible to make, because that's what I was alluding to
earlier. Yeah, and I was like, Okay, Gerald's Game is a
great one. I love Gerald's Game, But to me, Doctor Sleep was
even harder because he made it harder on himself. He could have sat there
and said, we're going to do an adaptation of Doctor Sleep. We're not
going to connect it to Kubrick, We're just going to do a King one
and just accept it because making it, we'd have to change so much about
the novel in the final act to make it work. And he said,
you know what, I'm gonna do it anyway. I'm going to make it
connect. I'm gonna get not only am I going to connect it to Kubrick's
film and make a sequel to something that everyone's going to automatically be distrustful of.
I'm going to make sure I don't make it until King approves of it.
Yep, a sql to a movie he hates. Like he's set himself
up to fail every step of the way, and I feel like he succeeded
every time, especially the director's cut. Like I think the mistake was not
putting that director's cut out because it's such a stronger film. Yeah, and
that is perhaps maybe the reason why I love it so much. I've actually
not seen the theatrical cut. I've only watched the director's cut, and I
won't even say the theatrical cut is bad. I really enjoyed it, but
it felt very rushed. It didn't pay off like the final act, which
I know is still controversial with people. Where the last act takes place at
the Overlook. I really love the scenes at the Overlook, and it is
the nostalgia. I love every moment of being back in the Overlook, and
I liked the connection to the ending of the Shining as a novel, like
that's honestly, you look at it, you're like, that's where King screwed
up when he wanted to make Doctor Sleep. He destroyed the Overlook and he
couldn't do anything with it in Doctor Sleep. It was cool for him to
be able to kind of bring those worlds together. And I mean, even
at Kubrick's State son often said they they're happy with it. I was like,
that's probably the greatest accomplishment he'll ever have in my opinion. Yeah,
literally, accomplishment, I think is the right word there. And there's a
lot of these things that you know, you could argue as like a masterpiece
of dialogue like Midnight Mass or a technical masterpiece on some of these other scenes,
but specifically, this one is an accomplishment for being able to literally overcome
literally every adversity that could possibly have been against him, and he pulls it
off beautifully with an incredible cast. Not sure why I didn't bring up Rebecca
Ferguson when I started speaking, but she is when I alluded to maybe the
best villain earlier to Annie Wilkes, Rebecca Ferguson might take it for me.
She is freaking terrifying in this. Not sure why some people are turned off
by some of those scenes, but her scenes specifically in this are legendary.
She is absolutely taking this role to a next level. And to me,
you know, we were talking and this is kind of the movie I was
alluding to. That is basically how King writes vampires now, like this is
his vampires for his shine, for that, because that's essentially what they are.
They're based off Eastern European stuff. They are seductress in a sense,
they take life force from somebody to live longer. And it's such an interesting
way to go about it that connects so well to his world, but not
without Sometimes King can get a little over, in my opinion, get a
little over trying to connect everything. But I think this is a much more
natural that we're going to just come about shine and how important shine is to
the King universe and actually kind of taking a more fantastical element but still keeping
it as a sequel to something pretty grounded. Honorable mentions for me since I
did not get to bring them up the first time, because I did not
think we were gonna have the same Number one. I really thought you were
gonna go way out of left field. Number eleven from me was Jerald's Game.
This was very close to making it on my list. I think the
only reason it didn't is because I've only seen it twice, and some of
these others I've seen like forty times and I love them so much. But
Gerald's Game is a damn good, damn good take on that story. I
just I can't even remember who it was, but just this week it might
have been my mom I was talking to and she's in the chat right now,
but I was telling somebody they need to go watch this movie because it
is so well done. I think it was my mom because we were talking
about the wolf scene and how just terrifying that is and isolating. It feels
kind of like the Shining and a lot of that. My number twelve was
fourteen oh eight, Love fourteen oh eight. I think it's a great movie.
I think that it's way better than it had any right to be.
My number thirteen was nineteen twenty two, another Netflix take on one of these
stories. I think Thomas Jane was pretty damn good in this movie. Unfortunately,
I think that second act was just leaving a lot to be desired for
me. But other than that, I think it was really really well done.
I had to Manglas so hard. It's such I think that should have
been like a forty five minute film, and I think it'd have been perfect,
and Netflix would have been perfect for that. If you're gonna do that,
you get for Netflix. Mentioned the Mangler earlier. One that we haven't
talked about hit tonight. I kind of love Graveyard Shift. I haven't seen
it. I was one on my list I wanted to get to, but
I've never seen it. It doesn't quite hit the quality for me as some
of these others, but it absolutely deserves a mention tonight. And then I
had Shashank written down. I know it's not on your list, but for
me, it is slightly better than The Green Mile. I think it's a
wonderful movie, wonderful story. Although just like I think it was Joel said
in the chat earlier tonight, at this point in time, it is easily
one of the most overrated films of all time. This is not like God's
gift to filmmaking when you watch Shashank Redemption, like a lot of people think
that it is. It's a very good story and it's very well made,
incredibly acted. It's just not the best movie of all time. It's a
very likable movie. Like I think that. Like even me who's kind of
being a little negative on it, still like the movie. There's nothing wrong
with it. Like it's hard to criticize it because Frank Darabon is very good
at what he does. It's just like, do I ever feel like rewatching
at a time does not come up? The hard thing is, for like
ten years of my life, every time that it was on TV, and
it played on T and T a lot, I would sit and finish it
no matter where it was on the story. And I've seen Shoshank probably more
than any of these on this list, which is wild because it's not even
like my go to type of movie. It's just something about it. It
just ropes you in, and it's because it's so well made. Darabont,
Dara Bant and I think that's probably the big thing to take away from this
tonight. Dara BoNT and Flannagan, I think, are the two that can
adapt King stories best. Flannagan does it for the horror, Darre Bond does
it for the dramas, and they are both just so damn great. Yeah,
And I think I think a lot of when you look at like we
talked about a lot of great directors who tackle these and they all did their
own thing. They output their and spin on it. But I think not
many of them had interest in adapting King. They like the story, they
like the idea, and said I'm going to do it my own way.
And I think that's respectful. I think that's great. I don't think there's
a thing wrong with that because people like Carpenter and Hooper aren't gonna be as
interested in that, where somebody like Flanagan, who obviously has a lot of
love for his influences, wants to pay respect in the only way he knows
how. Absolutely so King adaptions. Anything else that you want to bring up,
Oh, I'm sitting here trying to think. I do like the mini
series. I haven't seen it in a long time, but I actually do
think it's a pretty solid film. My memories of it are pretty good.
That's another one. I just haven't done here the nostalgia of that one,
though, I really feel like if it wasn't Tim Curry, it would not
be favored nearly as highly as it And that's probably true because that's a lot
of where my memories are for it. R I was read as another one
I seem to remember budget. Yeah, but it's it's also been a long
time and it's for it's longer than sort of the century is. So I
just haven't gotten around. So I have a DVD copy here somewhere, so
I need to get to it nice. Uh dude, McMahon is calling out
Tom Holland for the Lengeliers and Thinner. I gotta admit I've got a soft
spot for Thinner. I worked on the Screen Factory disc that's about to be
released. That's awesome. Editing the interviews for that disc brought back so many
wild memories of what was happening around that time with this, because the timeline
of things were sort of weird. Holland was brought in at a at an
odd time. The person that was going to do the effects changed a couple
of times, and it's Thinner is not a great movie, but the effects
in that movie. Again, like I talked about Christine, the effects on
Thinner are freaking legendary. Absolutely love it. David Holland, did anyone mentioned
Running Man? No, neither one of us mentioned Running Man. Is I
have nothing against it. I honestly, I don't even like classifight with King.
I'm gonna be honest. Yeah, I mean King didn't write that book.
Yeah see, yeah, there we go, Richard Bagma. Technically Thinner
was Backman too. As I'm talking about that, that's perfect timing. Yeah's
Thinner is not great, but the effects in that movie are a damn lot
of fun. So I do have to tell my story with The Langoliers because
that's another very influential movie in my childhood. So I used to have to
get up really early for school. I had to get up at like five
thirty when my dad was leaving, so I'd get my sister up and we
get on the bus by seven seven am. And so there was this thing
where I was going through we DVR, or actually I think we were recording
him on VHS. We would record the mini series that were coming out,
like The Stand and things like that, and The Langaliers was one of them.
And I was very excited after the stand to get to the Langoliers.
Yeah, and the Langoliers is important to me because it's the first time I
can remember being truly disappointed. I'll get up for a whole week, get
up, watch like forty five minutes of it, and then wait till the
next day, and then I got to watch the next forty five minutes,
and then I saw the Langoliers and I was like, oh, I don't
know what to feel anymore. And I think that was when I first felt
disappointment in a story, in a movie or anything. And it's not fair
to the movie. The movie is you know, it was dealing with the
budget hass. But you know what, like eight year old me does not
understand that, it understands that's what I waited a whole week to see.
Well, And honestly, you know, in the world where everybody complains about
remakes, I kind of think something like Langoliers is the perfect thing to remake
because it's a really interesting story, really compelling. The way that it's written
is great. The world just wasn't ready to make it yet. And if
we could make it in twenty twenty three, we could probably do something.
Are you with it? And I mean that's a lot of King stuff,
Like I mean, you either needed to scale a lot back to make it
work because I mean, you know, we talked about yet we're not gonna
be talking about turtle gods because that's gonna make a mess of things or child
ging rape. Yeah it was a coke field time. Some King's early early
anyway. But yeah, I mean, you know it's a lot of that,
And I mean that's why I'm kind of excited for Amazon to be I
think it's Amazon's paying all the money for Dark Tower. It's like good because
it's it needs a lot of money, yeah, and it needs somebody who
knows what they're doing to make it. As I brought up, there was
no mention of pet Cemetery tonight. How do you feel about pet Cemetery?
So pet Cemetery to me is the top five Stephen King book and no one
has figured out how to make it. The movie. The first movie is
fine, Like I've I've already pissed people off enough, so I might as
well just be completely honest here that maybe's fine. It's it's okay. I
think the first pet Cemetery has Zelda and about nothing else going for it.
Yeah, I mean it has Herman Mnster in it, and he's great.
I like his like Gwyn was incredible, but he he, I don't know.
It's it's kind of an odd obviously, it's an odd rule to take
up, especially when you're like the You're you're the only one delivering the lore
for the film, but you're not like this scary character, even though they
kind of tried to make John Lithgow be this this scary one on the remake.
But I don't know, other than Zelda, that first movie is pretty
damn boring to me. Yeah, I mean, it's it's it's It's the
same thing with a lot. When you talk about people try to adapt king
Is. They get parts of it, they get the iconic parts of it
for by, but then they can't. I feel like they can't connect it
together. Like when I read Pets Cemetery, it is so tragic to read,
like you know, you were really understanding. You're watching a character do
the thing you know is the stupidest thing they can do. It's the worst
decision they can make. But every step of the way you say I understand
it, I agree with it because I understand what he's going through it.
I'm officially losing many of my closest many of my closest friends are leaving right
now. I knew this will be a fun one because I think everyone's very
passionate about King, because I think, I mean, unless you're born in
like the fifties or sixties, every one of us has had this in our
childhood's at some point. Yeah, there's something nostalgic about King. Yeah,
and specifically about pet Cemetery. I think for a lot of people around that
age that it was like the huge period for King. You were the perfect
age to watch pet Cemetery, and therefore it just hit exactly right. Unfortunately,
I came just slightly after that, and that means it was built up
and I just didn't with it when it came out. Yeah. I came
a lot during the TV movie era for King, so I associate a lot
of King with TV movies, and I think that's probably a big part of
why Star of the Century it's so high and it's very questionable for a lot
of people, but that is probably one of the first things from King I
remember watching. Besides the Shining Interesting, I think Carrie was my first,
now that I think about it, it was probably up there. I know
my mom had that on VHS. But before my computer dies and you're here
by yourself, I'm gonna grab a charger real quick. I apologize to everybody
that is already just livid. Yeah, I'm not a super fan of pet
Cemetery. I didn't hate the remake because it was so different from the original.
I thought they were both about the same level of fine. Does lawnmower
Man need a four K? Probably not, but Shout will probably give it
to us. Sleepwalkers is definitely not a master piece. Right As I say,
Sleepwalkers is not a masterpiece. A Zombies eight my arm says it is
a masterpiece, so okay, area. So I love mc garris as a
person. I think he is awesome. I love what he's done for horror.
I can't think of a movie he's done that I think is great.
I think he does interesting things. But I love him more as a producer
and like I guess a showrunner when we talk about like masters of Horror than
I do necessarily as a director. I think his interviews are great. I
love him as an interviewer too. He did an interview with Flanagan, and
that was I mean, he still can do it well, he should do
even more than he does. I'm looking up his full filmography and there's nothing
that's sticking out as incredible. Psycho for is not bad, but it's still
not anywhere near the first three. Yeah, Psycho is a weirdly consistent series
and it has no reason. Right. Ronnie says, I want my eighty
dollars lawnmower Man lobby cards. No thanks, as Zach, he might disagree.
What am I disagreeing about? Maybe lawnmower Man and Sleepwalkers. I have
okay memories with Sleepwalkers, though it's been a long time, Like there are
a lot of these. I said a whole month I was gonna sit there
and try to rewatch a bunch of them. And then I went through Kujo
and it chapter one, and I think the disappointment I was like, you
know, sometimes it's okay for things to be left as memories. That's okay.
Yeah, this comment, my dude, McMahon says, my wife and
I drove by the houses that were used in pet Cemetery, no joke.
We drove through a rock cory to get there and had tons of semi trucks
rolling down the narrow road, just like the movie. And yeah, I
think King took a lot of that from real like, man, this is
kind of dangerous around here. So I mentioned, yeah, that's good.
It's like a really good movie. It just didn't quite make my top fifteen.
Yeah. I feel the exact same way. It's not even oh man,
it's not like top five or seven Cronenberg for me probably, And it's
a weird one for Cronenberg because you listen to a lot of interviews with him
where he really doesn't like supernatural stuff, so him going with King is such
an odd idea. But he does good with it. But like I remember
watching it for the first time after I knew that, and I was like,
he must like ride around some of this somehow, but he doesn't.
It's straight up a supernatural story and it's like, okay, different for Kronenberg,
but I dig it. Yeah, And I think God with Kronenberg,
there's probably ten of his i'd rather watch before Dead Zone. I think it's
good. Yeah, But I mean Kronerberg is great at what he does.
That's the hard part. Yeah, I mean I had it's another one of
those where I would gladly rewatch Dead Zone, just it wouldn't be first choice.
Walkin's great, he's awesome in it. He's always fun. Ben is
saying, just tuned into anyone includes Silver Bullet. Basically, Zack did,
Yeah, I did. Oh my god? What about fire Starter? No
love for Native American George C. Scott? Well, at least that's maybe
the eighty four to one and not whatever they put out a year or two.
Guy, I'm just glad we made this be the second take because the
first time when you brought up Katsitet number three that was that was pretty abysmal.
Oh man, Uh, there's a good question. Any directors you think
would make good King adaptations? You know the first part. I'm gonna go
with the first answer that came into my mind. But one just because he
can. He's got that goofiness about him that I think he would bring and
the effects, the focus on effects and like some fast paced but I actually
think one would make a very interesting King one. It wouldn't be accurate the
King, but I think it would be interesting. Hmm. I want to
see like a a super pretentious Robert Eggers. Oh my god, I'm trying
to think what would be the best one for him. I'm trying to sit
here and think he would do a good revival one, but I can't see
him doing anything modern day. Oh man, you know what I mean.
He's doing those fatu. I would love to see him, you know,
adapt that slightly to Salem's Lot. Yeah I could. Yeah, he would
probably do well with that. But yeah, Eggars would be good. I
don't think Astro would actually be a very strong king. I don't know why,
just he doesn't seem like it would fit him. No, it's not
quite depressing enough for our Astor. Uh Stan is a good one, he
says Richard Stanley, and I agree. Unfortunately, I don't think that'll ever
happen. If it won't happen, but yeah, he'd probably he has the
right the ideas for it, right tone. Do we think the Talisman will
ever be made into a film? Is it not? I don't think.
I haven't seen it if it is, But for some reason I thought they
had made one. But that's the one with job right black House, I
think so yeah. Oh, since uh Edgars could do, I have the
dragon that would be That's the only like one I could think of that would
be really interesting. There is a movie called The Talisman, but it's based
on another Okay, that might be what I'm thinking of. Uh, Simmoners
says, let Edgars do The Man in Black as a short film. Yeah,
the Desert shuts. And then somebody said long Walk. I would love
to see long Walk. Yeah, someone do the Long Walk already. Yeah,
Edgar's directing The Girl who Loved Tom Gordon. Eyes of the Dragon says
Stan. Yeah, there's a lot that could be done really well. And
honestly, again we were talking about remakes for a second. A lot of
the Stephen King stuff that is not highly regarded. The stories weren't the bad
part there. It was just there was some poor acting and obviously effects in
a lot of the Stephen King stuff was just bottom tier. And if they
could throw some money at some of these, they could do some really good
stuff nowadays. Yeah, and I mean I didn't mention it on here,
and actually I just thought about it. But the mini series that Hulu did
eleven twenty two sixty three yeah was surprisingly very good. I mean they could
do more stuff like that, just because some of his stuff is so more
heavy. Not everything needs to be a mini series but there are certain things
that's more heavy enough to do it. Yeah, and obviously eleven twenty two
sixty three is the perfect way to do a mini series because it's wrapped up
in so many different things. But it's I don't know, there was something
about that that was just compelling and it wasn't even like Franco, even though
obviously Franco's on a weird canceled not canceled spot. But yeah, good story
in that one. This has been fun. I think a lot of people
chat mad at me, me too. Let's see how any people come back
next week. Good way to start the new year. Yeah, what a
way to celebrate the end of the year. All right, Zach, I
think we've done it. We did pretty great with this. Remindered everybody that
next week is subscriber week for Vinegar Syndrome, kicking off on January first.
I'm here live at eleven thirty am Eastern. On the first. We're to
be talking about everything that gets announced, and then next Thursday, doctor Will
Doddson is back and we will we will be having some fun discussions because we
will not have a ton of announcements next week, so we'll be talking about
movie stuff long time after that, Zach, thanks for doing this, sir,
Thank you for having me. I'm always happy to come on and give
some bad takes. Well, this one was extra special. I appreciate all
you guys. Hopefully you're interested in coming back next Thursday. If not,
leave a comment either way. I'm glad you're here and we'll see you next time.