1 00:00:12,359 --> 00:00:16,760 What is krack Oaki and Harvardos listeners, I am Damn Valley come at you 2 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,079 a little later this week than I wanted to, but my travels over the 3 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:24,600 weekend pushed my schedule back quite a bit. But I am back better than 4 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:29,679 ever, ready to deliver Part two of our NBA Draft primer with the Box 5 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:35,119 and One's Adam Spinella follow the Box, end one on Twitter at the Box 6 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:40,439 and one underscore spelled and written exactly as it sounds. We have a great 7 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:44,439 talk. If you didn't check out our first podcast together, we discussed a 8 00:00:44,439 --> 00:00:48,079 lot of the top lotto prospects. We're gonna go off the beaten path a 9 00:00:48,079 --> 00:00:51,679 little bit more in this one, talk about some underrated prospects, some guys 10 00:00:51,719 --> 00:00:54,079 who could techinitely go on the lottery but might fall out. A lot of 11 00:00:54,079 --> 00:00:57,479 thy thy Washington talk here, some second round prospects to keep an eye on, 12 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,600 so on and so forth, some even some draft plosophy. It was 13 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,520 a lot of fun. Wanted to touch on the latest news though, since 14 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:07,760 it's been a few days since we last met the Big Nugget. As we 15 00:01:07,799 --> 00:01:11,840 discussed in the monologue of one of our previous podcasts, Quinn Snyder no longer 16 00:01:11,879 --> 00:01:15,799 with the Utah Jazz. He stepped down. He said it was basically time. 17 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:19,359 That was his reasoning for it. We all saw this coming, the 18 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:23,439 fact that it got to a point where we were sort of cautioned, you 19 00:01:23,439 --> 00:01:26,560 know, with the story original story from Woach that he wasn't sure if he 20 00:01:26,599 --> 00:01:29,799 was going to come back. It seemed pretty clear that he was not, 21 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:34,439 and a lot of people believe that the Jazz's core had just grown stale. 22 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:38,400 I don't think Quinn Snyder was necessarily a part of that Utah Danny Age made 23 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:42,519 clear that they really tried to keep him. I thought that was interesting that 24 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:47,680 he made that publicly clear that they really aggressively tried to keep him. I 25 00:01:47,719 --> 00:01:49,480 think the timing, you know, it could be kind of less than ideal 26 00:01:49,599 --> 00:01:53,799 because you're looking at Kenny Atkinson maybe being off the board. He's so deep 27 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,120 into the Hornets process. It looks like it's gonna be d Antony Ratkinson and 28 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,680 Charlotte. Meanwhile, hopefully that's not too outdated by the time you listen to 29 00:01:59,719 --> 00:02:02,560 this. Darvin Ham already going to the Lakers. A doubt that they would 30 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:07,400 have necessarily had interest in Mike Brown now with the Kings, So you could 31 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,840 say the timing behind this is a little bit inconvenient because now you have to 32 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:15,199 stage a coaching shirts where maybe the full breadth of candidates aren't available. Names 33 00:02:15,199 --> 00:02:20,039 already linked to this job though. Of course, Johnny Bryant from the Knicks, 34 00:02:20,439 --> 00:02:23,479 assistant with the Knicks, has ties with Donovan Mitchell, will Hardy with 35 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:25,759 the Celtics, Charles Lee with the Bucks, and Joe Missoula with the Celtics 36 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:30,759 as well. That's from what was also mentioned that Alex Jensen, an assistant 37 00:02:30,759 --> 00:02:34,080 on Utah staff, and Terry Stotts were interviewed as well well, which further 38 00:02:34,159 --> 00:02:38,759 adds that we should expect a thorough, wide open process here. So again, 39 00:02:38,879 --> 00:02:40,319 I don't I made a joke on Twitter about this. I don't actually 40 00:02:40,319 --> 00:02:45,000 believe that Quinn Snyder's stepping down at this time. I don't think it necessarily 41 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,000 narrows to feel of options all that much. If you miss out on it 42 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,800 Kenny Atkinson or Darvin Ham, if those were two guys you really liked, 43 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,360 you sure then, But it does seem that they're casting a wide net and 44 00:02:54,719 --> 00:02:59,800 there wasn't these like super hot button coaching candidates available. Remember, that q 45 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:04,560 Snyder was mentioned as the best possible coaching hire for teams when many thought that 46 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,599 he would leave the Jazz. It has become pretty clear though, that he 47 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,919 doesn't intend to coach next season. We'll see if that holds. Maybe a 48 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,280 job opens up the middle of the off season or sometime next season that interests 49 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,800 him. A lot of people just have him tabs for San Antonio. Whenever 50 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:23,360 it is that Greg Popovitch decides to leave there, my guess would be that 51 00:03:23,439 --> 00:03:27,520 definitely doesn't. My guess would definitely that's a terrible way to phrase it. 52 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,240 My guess is that doesn't happen before next season. So my gut tells me 53 00:03:31,719 --> 00:03:36,439 that Quinn Snyder will not coach an NBA team next year. Maybe he'll be 54 00:03:36,479 --> 00:03:39,439 bouncing around them like we hear about all these coaches who aren't necessarily who don't 55 00:03:39,439 --> 00:03:43,840 necessarily have a gig at the moment, but that he'll eventually just wind up 56 00:03:43,879 --> 00:03:47,199 back leading the charge of San Antonio, assuming that Greg Popovitch leaves after next 57 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:52,439 season. If he doesn't, maybe that opens up just some other spots that 58 00:03:52,719 --> 00:03:55,960 will become available there. The other impact of this, of course, is 59 00:03:57,159 --> 00:03:59,120 well, what are the Jazz going to do with their roster. Now we've 60 00:03:59,159 --> 00:04:02,759 talked a lot about on the podcast, Rudy Gobert's name has been mentioned in 61 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:06,680 trade rumors links, most recently to the Chicago Bulls. I have to say, 62 00:04:06,879 --> 00:04:11,199 the two things that got me is the discourse on Twitter about how they 63 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:15,960 shouldn't the Bulls shouldn't give a Patrick Williams to get Rudy Gobert was I've found 64 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,279 it a little funny. It's if you're not gonna do vooge in Patrick Williams 65 00:04:18,399 --> 00:04:20,959 Rudy Gobert, then you don't get Rudy Gobert. I don't even know that 66 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:25,480 the Jazz would do that deal on their own. At the same time, 67 00:04:25,519 --> 00:04:29,399 I think Rudy Gobert is a terrible fit for Chicago. Not because he's limited 68 00:04:29,439 --> 00:04:32,920 on offense, which again he is. He is a valuable offensive player. 69 00:04:32,959 --> 00:04:38,639 He's not the most expansive offensive player. You can't not go after players specifically 70 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:43,480 for that reason, but when you already have Damard Rosen and the unique way 71 00:04:43,519 --> 00:04:46,839 that he operates for a perimeter playmaker at this portant time, I just hate 72 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,319 that fit between him and Rudy Gobert. If they're both going to be on 73 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:54,600 the court during crunch time, and that's not where I would allocate most of 74 00:04:54,639 --> 00:04:59,639 my trade assets if I'm Chicago. We did rank our favorite Rudy Gobert Destin 75 00:05:00,879 --> 00:05:04,519 on a previous podcast. I hated Chicago. I still hate Toronto. I 76 00:05:04,519 --> 00:05:09,600 don't I get their interest because Rigobert is so good. They seem to want 77 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:16,160 a big and the thing that they the beast that could they could build defensively 78 00:05:16,519 --> 00:05:19,319 would be terrifying. But if you're not going to give a Pascal Siakam, 79 00:05:19,319 --> 00:05:23,680 which you shouldn't get to a point where it's gonna cost you, you know, 80 00:05:23,879 --> 00:05:27,959 probably og and Nobi and Gary Trent Junior to make the money work there. 81 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,160 There are other ways that you could do it, but you would have 82 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,480 to step ladder your way there. It just for Toronto. It feels like 83 00:05:32,519 --> 00:05:36,600 a bad allocation of assets as well. Now if you're Charlotte, that's a 84 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:41,199 different story. That's a team that certainly speaks mind. If you're in Portland 85 00:05:41,319 --> 00:05:44,959 and want to include the number seven pick and then flesh out packages from there, 86 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,800 I don't hate it either. I kind of thought momentarily that depending on 87 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,560 the asking price, Detroit would just be super interesting. They already have Kake 88 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:55,439 cutting Ham, but you don't want to You probably don't want to accelerate your 89 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,319 rebuild if you're them. At this point, I wasn't saying they trade Kake 90 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,240 Cunningham, but Kake cutting Ham everybody Abert just make all the sense in the 91 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,319 world in Lantis floating around out there, as well as an upgrade from Clinkoppela, 92 00:06:04,399 --> 00:06:08,439 and they have a bunch of stuff they can offer future picks, some 93 00:06:08,519 --> 00:06:13,720 interesting younger guys Jalen Johnson on Yiko Kung Wu, DeAndre Hunter Stanch knowledgeable this 94 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,800 summer, and then they do have salary matching tools. When you're looking at 95 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,360 Bogdan mcdonovitch. If they do something with Neil Ganner's contract, then of course 96 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:25,920 there's John Collins at Clint Coopela. They seem right for consolidation. Trade Dallas 97 00:06:25,959 --> 00:06:29,079 was mentioned. Rudy Gobert. Initially there was a report for Markstein that they 98 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,680 don't intend to make an all in play for Rudy Gobert. I would argue 99 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,680 that they really just can't make an all in play for Rudy Gobert the salary 100 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:39,680 matching tools that they have. Dwight Powell Davis Proton Spencer, Dinwoody, Tim 101 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,000 Hardaway Junior. That's just not going to move the needle. Maxic Cleveland, 102 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,439 Reggie Bullock might interest the Knicks. You're not giving up Dorian Finny Smith in 103 00:06:46,439 --> 00:06:48,040 this deal. You just can't afford or he was too critical to your defense 104 00:06:48,079 --> 00:06:51,879 and he has he covers more of the positional spectrum than Rudy Gobert. You 105 00:06:51,959 --> 00:06:56,639 can't trade a first round pick. You can dangle this year is after you 106 00:06:56,759 --> 00:06:59,360 use it, but then you can't trade one before twenty twenty five. I 107 00:06:59,399 --> 00:07:02,600 just don't see Alice as a team that has the assets to do anything there. 108 00:07:02,759 --> 00:07:05,480 Then you start to run out of options, you know, fairly quickly. 109 00:07:05,639 --> 00:07:09,519 Some have wondered if the Kings being the Kings would get in on this 110 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:13,040 using the number four pick, would you be able to trade doma Sa bonus 111 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,199 Rudy Gobert. I like Rudy Gobert next to Daron Fox more than I like 112 00:07:15,279 --> 00:07:20,839 Sabonis, even though I thought the Sabonis Fox minutes were a lot better than 113 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:25,639 I anticipated at the time of the trade. You could also make a case 114 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,879 if we're going for a quirky team here, like just if Memphis wanted to 115 00:07:28,879 --> 00:07:31,839 do something and they stack together with salaries and it doesn't cost you bane John 116 00:07:31,839 --> 00:07:36,439 Morant or Jaren Jackson Jr. I don't think it's something that they would do 117 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:40,120 that would be very out of character for them. But a Rudy Gobert Jaren 118 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:45,560 Jackson junior front court is going to would wreck fucking lives. So I will 119 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,040 be interested to see what happens with Rudy Gobertt moving forward. He does seem 120 00:07:48,079 --> 00:07:50,720 content in Utah though, and that's a big part of this, which brings 121 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:57,240 us to the final portion of this news nugget. Donovan Mitchell is unnerved and 122 00:07:57,519 --> 00:08:01,800 unsettled per Woach. How about how about phrasing it like that about the Jazz's 123 00:08:01,839 --> 00:08:07,839 future following Quinch Snyder's departure. Here's my thing, So I have a few 124 00:08:07,839 --> 00:08:11,680 things. One, there's no way Donovan Mitchell was caught off guard by this. 125 00:08:11,959 --> 00:08:13,959 It was just publicly known that there was a chance Quinn Snyder would leave. 126 00:08:15,279 --> 00:08:20,600 I think the expectation was among people that he would leave. That's the 127 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,959 vibe that I got. And so if you have reporters and even some fans 128 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,639 that just believed that he wasn't going to be back, Donovan Mitchell absolutely knew 129 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,159 this was a possibility. If he still really wanted him there, that's great, 130 00:08:31,559 --> 00:08:35,320 And maybe he's just trying to leverage sort of his stay into the next 131 00:08:35,399 --> 00:08:37,639 higher We will have to see that. A lot of people think this is 132 00:08:37,639 --> 00:08:41,240 a preamble to a trade request, though, because this is typically how it 133 00:08:41,279 --> 00:08:45,559 starts, as you hear about these rumblings and mumblings and murmurings of a player 134 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:50,559 being unsettled or unnerved rather than outright unhappy, and then follow us the trade 135 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,960 request. I do not think Donovan Mitchell was going to request to trade after 136 00:08:54,759 --> 00:09:00,679 Quinn Snyder left the Jazz. It just doesn't He doesn't have the leverage. 137 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:05,159 Stars always have some sort of leverage. But there's three guaranteed years left on 138 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:09,799 his deal. He can then decline his player option three year four and become 139 00:09:09,799 --> 00:09:13,399 a free agent right when Rudy Gobert can become a free agent in twy twenty 140 00:09:13,399 --> 00:09:18,159 six. I don't think Rudy Gobert's de clianning his player option for forty six 141 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,399 point seven. So he is under contract with the Jazz through twenty twenty four 142 00:09:20,399 --> 00:09:26,639 two twenty five with three guarantee years left on his deal, all decorum goes 143 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:28,200 out the window there. You don't take into account where he wants to go. 144 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,600 There will be teams that are willing to roll the dice and someone doesn't 145 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:33,559 necessarily want to be there, and when they have three years left on his 146 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:37,919 contract. So if your request to trade demand map, you're, oh, 147 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:41,360 you might get out of Utah, but you're not going to have serious control 148 00:09:41,399 --> 00:09:45,799 over where you're going. And so if you're Donovan Mitchell, you're trying to 149 00:09:45,799 --> 00:09:48,320 be strategic about this. The earliest that I think you can realistically request the 150 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:52,679 trades after next season, when two years guarantee years of left on your deal 151 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,000 before that player option, that's when teams start to think, oh okay, 152 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:00,200 like maybe that's just not enough time to mortgage the farm to get him. 153 00:10:00,279 --> 00:10:03,240 I also just don't know there will be a market for Donovan Mitchell. I 154 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:07,080 want to make that clear. But what are the Jazz getting back? I 155 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,440 mean, are the Knicks? Would they go all in for Donovan Mitchell? 156 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,159 The Jazz scene pretty pissed that the Knicks were at their first playoff game. 157 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,519 There was a Knicks contingent there and included Julius Randall, who was a Dallas 158 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,240 native at the time, So there is that to consider. But again, 159 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,200 that's a team Miami's been mentioned. I don't see it with Miami. Tyler 160 00:10:22,279 --> 00:10:26,480 Hero. Plus, they can technically dangle when you include this year's first round 161 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:31,279 pick up to four first round picks, you turn around and trade number twenty 162 00:10:31,279 --> 00:10:33,639 seven. You can trade two twenty three, twenty twenty seven, and two 163 00:10:33,879 --> 00:10:37,320 twenty nine. If they wanted to do that, I guess you're the Jazz, 164 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:41,320 you could consider it. But Tyler Hero's extension eligible, Tyler Roel's not 165 00:10:41,399 --> 00:10:46,720 better than Donovan Mitchell. Does Tyler Roel want to be in Utah? And 166 00:10:46,759 --> 00:10:50,759 if he doesn't, or even if he does, is that the player that 167 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,120 you want to invest what could be near Max's money? And Donovan Mitchell's just 168 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,600 he's better than Tyler Hero. He's both of them have their defensive problems, 169 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:01,639 but Donto Mitchell by in large, is better defensively, So excuse me, 170 00:11:01,759 --> 00:11:03,919 yes, Donovan Mitchell is better defensively. Excuse my words there, So like, 171 00:11:05,039 --> 00:11:07,399 that's not really a realistic destination. Dallas is going to run to the 172 00:11:07,399 --> 00:11:11,960 same issues if they want Donovan Mitchell with their with their trade assets, there 173 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,960 will be teams don't get me wrong that come out of the woodwork. Phoenix 174 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,600 could build some interesting trade packages if they get a third team and recruited as 175 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,360 a Deondre and sign and trade. Is this the move that the Raptors like 176 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:26,600 because they need another primary creator. They are teams that will enter the bidding 177 00:11:26,639 --> 00:11:28,679 war for Donovan Mitchell and they will give up quite a bit to get him. 178 00:11:28,919 --> 00:11:33,039 But if you're Donovan Mitchell, now's not the time to try and apply 179 00:11:33,159 --> 00:11:37,279 this pressure to Utah because you're not going to have any control over where you're 180 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,360 going. And Utah could slow play it as well for reasons I mentioned. 181 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:45,799 If they're not getting that sort of just world beating offer, if he does 182 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,000 become a vail wish to throw it out, I do think Phoenix would be 183 00:11:48,039 --> 00:11:50,240 a team that should get involved there. Memphis would be would be a team 184 00:11:50,279 --> 00:11:54,440 that I could see. Well, actually, I can't envision Memphis actually going 185 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:58,960 after Donovan Mitchell and the John Morant Dono Mitchell dynamic would be a little iffy. 186 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,320 Again, if you're keeping Jaren Jackson Junior is part of that deal. 187 00:12:01,399 --> 00:12:05,559 Not trading the hearts and soul of your of your defensive structure right now, 188 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,360 It would be fairly interesting. The Knicks would have to be involved. There'd 189 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:13,080 be curious to see if the Jazz would do business with them. Atlanta has 190 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,559 been linked to Zach Lavine. Dono Mitchell would certainly, you know, the 191 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,600 defense with him and trade young would be abysmal, but Dono Mitchell would certainly 192 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,919 help those non trade young minutes and maybe during the trade young minutes get him 193 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:28,000 moving away from the ball. There's just there are a ton of teams the 194 00:12:28,039 --> 00:12:31,600 list could go on and on that can talk themselves and to make him play. 195 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,279 Even even a team like Indian you can talk to yourself in that because 196 00:12:35,279 --> 00:12:39,480 there's three years left on his on his contract. So my expectation is Dono 197 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:43,759 Mitchell doesn't get moved. It's too difficult for him to force that to happen 198 00:12:43,799 --> 00:12:46,000 in a way that's more favorable to him. And if you're you know, 199 00:12:46,039 --> 00:12:48,720 if you're the Jazz, you also have to commit to a direction here. 200 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,279 If you're moving Donovan Mitchell, if you're moving Rudy Gobert, what is the 201 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:58,039 end game? Are you continuing to try and compete? Because the news slash 202 00:12:58,039 --> 00:13:00,799 here is if you move Rudy Gobert, I just don't see that happening. 203 00:13:00,799 --> 00:13:03,240 It would have to be the perfect deal. I think it would have to 204 00:13:03,279 --> 00:13:05,759 be something with Atlanta or maybe Clink Coopela is coming back and you're also sort 205 00:13:05,759 --> 00:13:09,399 of then you know you're taking that drop off from Colbert to Clinkopela, but 206 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:15,159 then you're also getting other assets. Picks, prospects, players and the tangible 207 00:13:15,159 --> 00:13:16,960 players are important here that you're inserting into your rotation to make it deeper, 208 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,639 maybe sharing up the perimeter defense if DeAndre Hunter, for instance, is involved 209 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:26,799 and as a bounce back here with Donovan Mitchell specifically, you're not moving him 210 00:13:26,799 --> 00:13:30,480 and getting better not I'm gonna argue the same with Rudy Gobert. I know 211 00:13:30,519 --> 00:13:33,240 there might be people that want the Jazz to build around Rudy Gobert. It's 212 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:37,559 easier or more sensible with the way the NBA is played to build around someone 213 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:39,879 who operates from the point of attack on offense that is not Rudy Gobert. 214 00:13:39,919 --> 00:13:45,679 His offensive value drops off a ton if the Jazz enter an era in which 215 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,120 they don't have a proven pick and roll playmakers around him. I know they're 216 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:52,679 jokes about Donovan Mitchell's lack of passing volume to him. But if you take 217 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,919 Donovan Mitchell out of the offense, it makes things harder on everybody, Boyan 218 00:13:58,039 --> 00:14:01,399 mcdonovitch, Mike Conley, Jordan Clark, and unless you're putting another you know, 219 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:07,919 say B plus point of a tax scorer there, And so you really 220 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:11,399 have to think about this if you're moving one of them, I think you 221 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:15,960 have to be committed to a more methodical rebuild. If I had to guess 222 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:20,639 which player you could move and then still remain competitive, I honestly don't know. 223 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:26,159 I want to say Gobert just because I think that you can approximate value 224 00:14:26,279 --> 00:14:31,240 at center for cheaper with lesser players. You're not going to get the generational 225 00:14:31,279 --> 00:14:33,679 talent that is Rudy Gobert. I want to make that clear. But you 226 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:39,360 can get by with the center who is appreciably worse than Rudy Gobert if you 227 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,399 expand broaden, strengthen the rest of your rotation, Whereas if you get rid 228 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:48,279 of Donovan Mitchell and you take a starker drop off there, even if you 229 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:54,639 deepen your rotation, I think it's harder to replace what he does and even 230 00:14:54,679 --> 00:14:58,159 the idea of him and how defenses are going to react to him. Maybe 231 00:14:58,159 --> 00:15:01,120 I'm wrong, they have Rugobert is one of the most valuable encore players in 232 00:15:01,159 --> 00:15:03,639 the NBA. Looming over all of this talk, of course, is which 233 00:15:03,639 --> 00:15:07,600 teams are going to want Ruby Gobert's four year in one hundred and seventy million 234 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:11,840 dollars contract That is probably going to be viewed as a net neutral asset in 235 00:15:11,879 --> 00:15:16,159 itself. Ruey Gobert's play can actually tip the scales towards asset. Again, 236 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,799 we're talking about one of the greatest defenders in NBA history. That's a lot 237 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:22,600 of money to invest in someone who doesn't run your offense. Who can be 238 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,519 I'm not I've made it clear on this podcast. He can't mismatch him off 239 00:15:26,519 --> 00:15:31,519 the floor, but he can be put in matchups where what he does best 240 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,240 on defense is compromised if you feel more confident, and I could see why 241 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,960 Toronto s physically. We feel this way that you have the players in front 242 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:43,000 of him to where he can't ever be mismatched off the floor. That is 243 00:15:43,039 --> 00:15:45,960 absolutely one thing, But there are teams that are going to think that way. 244 00:15:46,039 --> 00:15:48,159 A lot of teams and we're seeing this with Phoenix now doesn't sound like 245 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:52,080 they want to even invest that type of money in centers, which is why 246 00:15:52,159 --> 00:15:54,799 deandreat. And this is probably just the last little news nugget, but we 247 00:15:54,799 --> 00:15:58,120 talked about both the Jazz and Phoenix a couple of podcasts ago. It does 248 00:15:58,159 --> 00:16:03,000 seem like John Hons with the Athletic I believe wrote that it's basically faded complete 249 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:07,200 eight in his play his last game in Phoenix. I'm shocked that the reporting 250 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,799 has gotten that definitive ahead of its free agency. Maybe Aden's agents are doing 251 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,519 some really heavy lifting there. I'm at the point now, though, where 252 00:16:14,559 --> 00:16:17,679 and I have been I think since we last recorded this, and I want 253 00:16:17,679 --> 00:16:19,840 to I did a couple of podcast appearances the other week where I said I 254 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,919 think I'm leaning more towards eight and being on a different team than I am 255 00:16:23,039 --> 00:16:26,360 with Phoenix, whereas I definitely assumed it was vice versa because of how hard 256 00:16:26,399 --> 00:16:30,840 sign and trades are with baser compensation, What are you going to get for 257 00:16:30,919 --> 00:16:33,919 him? The big question now is would the Sons be willing to just let 258 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,559 him walk if a Detroit or San Antonio actually goes after him with a max 259 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:41,840 offer sheet. I have literally no idea. That's a huge even if you 260 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:48,240 think they can get by approximating DeAndre Aiden with cheaper centers. To let someone 261 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:52,440 so valuable in theory, even if you don't think he's valuable to your team, 262 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,600 and the fact that they could be willing to let him walk that definitely 263 00:16:55,679 --> 00:16:57,440 might say something about what's going on behind the scenes and look. Sam Amy 264 00:16:57,519 --> 00:17:02,279 also reported by the Way for More Suns Studies that there was a mini COVID 265 00:17:02,279 --> 00:17:06,559 outbreak among the team amongst the team towards the end of the Western Conference semifinals. 266 00:17:07,279 --> 00:17:10,559 Maybe we'll hear more about that, but it definitely brought up questions about 267 00:17:10,559 --> 00:17:14,960 how the league is going to handle COVID protocols moving forward in future seasons, 268 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:18,559 specifically to start next season. But again, with Aton, he has value 269 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:22,319 and you can move him for value. So if you don't, that is 270 00:17:22,319 --> 00:17:26,240 a fundamental failure in my book. It's not about whether you actually view him 271 00:17:26,279 --> 00:17:32,680 as worthwhile to your big you're a bigger picture. He has value. If 272 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:34,400 there's a team that's willing to sign him for mere max or max money, 273 00:17:34,599 --> 00:17:37,680 you need to get into that before he signs an offer sheet and try and 274 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:41,960 construct a sign and trade, because it's a miss. It's an't I hate 275 00:17:41,079 --> 00:17:45,880 saying it's about people, but it's asset mismanagement if you just let him him 276 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,640 walk. Though again, on the Jazz, I don't know who. I 277 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,000 wouldn't have a gut feeling on who they would hire as a new head coach 278 00:17:52,039 --> 00:17:56,480 at this juncture. I honestly have no idea with a higher speak a lot 279 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:00,240 about the direction they're headed next season, and I don't know. Danny Ainge 280 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,480 did say that they're not going to feel pressure to do it before the draft 281 00:18:03,559 --> 00:18:07,480 or free agency. That makes sense at this point, and I honestly I 282 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,799 don't know what the Jazz decided to do from here. I've said all along, 283 00:18:10,799 --> 00:18:14,400 I think it's more likely they move Rudy Gobert than they do Donovan Mitchell, 284 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:18,400 and I think that that's just that's the smart play, because Pete Donovan 285 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,599 Mitchell is technically going to be more of an anomaly than Rugalbert. But there's 286 00:18:21,599 --> 00:18:25,920 a real chance that they just run this back and they'll reevaluate, maybe if 287 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:30,559 the trade deadliner over the off season, where Rudy bears deals a little bit 288 00:18:30,559 --> 00:18:33,720 shorter and maybe he looks more appealing in that way, and then Donovan Mitchell 289 00:18:33,759 --> 00:18:36,640 was going to have more saying where he goes with only two guarantee years left 290 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,440 on this deal before free agency. That's where I'm at with the Jazz. 291 00:18:40,519 --> 00:18:42,920 If I had to guess, because I think everyone wants the predictions, if 292 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:47,160 both Dono and Mitchell and Marigalbert on the Jazz to start next season, I'm 293 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:51,160 want to say Donovan Mitchell is I'm like on the fence about Rudy Gobert just 294 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:56,160 because it feels like this team is headed towards a seismic change, and maybe 295 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:59,920 that seismic change was Quinn Snyder. We set the over under on the number 296 00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:04,200 of Snyder, Donna Mitchell, and Rudy Gobert. We said the over under 297 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,480 on those three being back at one point five, and I think under was 298 00:19:07,519 --> 00:19:11,160 the most popular pick. We've already seen one, will we see another the 299 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:15,960 Jazz. I'm interested endlessly by every team this offseason, but they're going to 300 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,200 be one of the more fascinating squads to watch from from here on out. 301 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:23,359 I will finish with this and say I expect the Rudy Gobert rumors to heat 302 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:27,160 up significantly. Now that's Niners God, and we've sort of seen this first 303 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:32,519 domino of change fall but that does it for me. If this is the 304 00:19:32,559 --> 00:19:34,160 first time you're listening to this podcast, please remember to rate, review, 305 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:38,559 and subscribe to us wherever you're consuming your podcasts. 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Now that all 314 00:20:07,039 --> 00:20:10,599 of that's out of the way, let's get to some more NBA draft talk 315 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:17,640 with the Box and Ones. Adam Spinella kind of moving outside the lottery, 316 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,640 but still sort of inside the lottery. I have seen thy Tye Washington mocked 317 00:20:22,039 --> 00:20:26,400 all over the place. Is he a lottery prospect? And what can you 318 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:33,079 tell us about it? Yeah, ty Tye role dependent this past year at 319 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,960 Kentucky so I think he's definitely a lottery prospect. He's a guy that I 320 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,240 have a lottery grade on right now. I would not be shocked if he 321 00:20:40,319 --> 00:20:45,680 falls outside the top twenty. And the reason for that is, you know, 322 00:20:45,759 --> 00:20:52,279 there's a continued lack of understanding of circumstance that goes into the evaluation process. 323 00:20:52,319 --> 00:20:55,880 And that's not to call out NBA teams or decision makers. They do 324 00:20:55,920 --> 00:21:00,279 an unbelievable job with much more information than all of us who are kind of 325 00:21:00,279 --> 00:21:03,119 public facing right now, are ever able to wrap our heads around. But 326 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,720 two things stand out to me with thy Ty Washington, really three things. 327 00:21:07,599 --> 00:21:11,799 One is the miscast role. At Kentucky, he was played next to a 328 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:18,000 non shooting pass first point guard and severe wheeler and a non shooting big man 329 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:22,160 who lived in like literally brought a tent to the lane with him for games 330 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:27,079 in Oscar Sheepway, and those two ran pick and roll all the time and 331 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:32,400 or got their touches in different ways. And thy Ty Washington's a really good 332 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:37,319 passer and playmaker, but he also happens to be a very good shooter. 333 00:21:37,799 --> 00:21:41,519 And when there are three guys that all are talented enough to deserve to be 334 00:21:41,559 --> 00:21:45,680 on the floor and one of them is a good shooter. Guess which role 335 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,160 he gets siphoned into. He's having the ball taken out of his hands and 336 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,440 saying, in order to make this work from a talent perspective, we need 337 00:21:52,519 --> 00:21:57,000 you to shoot. So ty Ty Washington is running off screens, spotting up 338 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,720 on the perimeter, not getting a ton of up to the ball in his 339 00:22:00,759 --> 00:22:03,960 hands. There were a couple of games this year when Severe Wheeler, the 340 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,000 point guard at Kentucky, was out, and in one of them against Georgia, 341 00:22:07,039 --> 00:22:11,160 I think Williams had fourteen or fifteen assists and only two turnovers. Like 342 00:22:11,279 --> 00:22:15,039 the pick and roll upside for this guy when someone commits to letting him be 343 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:21,000 him is huge, and the context there is that we've seen this time and 344 00:22:21,039 --> 00:22:23,680 time again from Kentucky guys that go to the NBA. As a Knicks fan, 345 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,039 this was the exact thing that I was saying two years ago about Emmanuel 346 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:32,160 Quickly, that he high school more of a point guard, has a lot 347 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,319 more lead skills with the ball in his hands, and he was allowed to 348 00:22:34,319 --> 00:22:38,839 show at Kentucky because of who he shared the floor with that was Tyrese Maxie, 349 00:22:40,279 --> 00:22:44,240 both of them really good NBA players. Now both of them deserve to 350 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,839 have the ball in their hands, but the context of the college situation really 351 00:22:47,839 --> 00:22:51,880 took that away. So I think the best days of thy Thy Washington and 352 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:56,799 what he does to maximize his value, we haven't seen at Kentucky. The 353 00:22:56,839 --> 00:23:00,359 other part of the equation that has to be mentioned is an ankle injury that 354 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,240 he's suffered in the middle part of the year and the fact that his mother 355 00:23:03,319 --> 00:23:07,559 has had some ongoing illnesses, drawing him and his attention, his emotional impact 356 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:12,279 away from basketball at that time. I don't view that as a negative. 357 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:17,640 I think that's just a fact of the situation that you know, he cares 358 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,599 a lot about a lot of things outside of basketball, and I'm really sick 359 00:23:21,599 --> 00:23:23,039 of seeing that be held against prospects and say, oh, does he really 360 00:23:23,079 --> 00:23:26,359 love the game enough? Like, No, his mother's sick, he needs 361 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:30,480 to have his attention and other things at this time, right, and athletically 362 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,720 he didn't look the same coming back from an ankle injury. So I look 363 00:23:33,759 --> 00:23:37,799 at the entirety of the context and I think that he's one guy because he's 364 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:42,359 not a fantastic athlete that continues to get dropped down boards. But the Kentucky 365 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,359 effect is real, folks. How many guards come out of that place time 366 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:49,400 and time again and outperform their draft slot, Like it happens pretty much every 367 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,799 year. Tie ties the one guy this year. I think he's a lottery 368 00:23:52,839 --> 00:23:59,279 prospect, but I can easily see a world where he slides downboards. It's 369 00:23:59,319 --> 00:24:04,079 interesting to me that he would slide even given the off court concerns are bullshit. 370 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,640 I hate that stuff too. It was just like one of the most 371 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,400 egregious recent examples was Anthony Edwards does he like the game enough? And it's 372 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,200 like, just shut the fuck up about that. Already plays Jalen Brown too, 373 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:15,920 Like I'm a Celtics fan. Oh yeah, that was that he's too 374 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,119 smart, yes, or something for his own good Oh my god, we're 375 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:23,039 in Washington, like super philanthropic, has interests and loves to give back in 376 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,519 the community. Like, how is anyone ever going to try to spin that 377 00:24:26,559 --> 00:24:30,160 into a negative? Just that he has other interests outside of basketball, And 378 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,599 it's this huge, you know, movement from decision makers that they just want 379 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,519 basketball, basketball, basketball and impact and no risk to try to take him 380 00:24:37,519 --> 00:24:41,160 away from it. But it's crap. At the end of the day. 381 00:24:41,519 --> 00:24:45,880 And even given all that, it surprises me that he would slide outside the 382 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,599 lottery in a draft that is just like bereft of point guard talent anywhere near 383 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,079 the top, And so I just assumed that. I guess maybe it comes 384 00:24:53,079 --> 00:24:56,160 down to the needs of certain teams, but even just you know, you 385 00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:00,200 would think that his skill set and what he does is just so in demand 386 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,240 because of the scarcity of it throughout the rest of this first round. Yep, 387 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:07,440 no doubt about it. So I'm a huge Tie Thai fan. I 388 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,839 know Knicks fans are sick of seeing him mocked to the Knicks at eleven. 389 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,240 I think that the inclusion of Shade him Sharp, the recent ascent of Dyson 390 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,079 Daniels probably takes him a little bit lower than that range, Like he's the 391 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,720 one guy that's going to continue to get notched down a little bit because of 392 00:25:22,759 --> 00:25:26,160 a couple other guys rising. And again, the inclusion of Shade and Sharp 393 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:33,359 is I'm sorry, I'm skipping ahead here. What's fueling Malachi Brenham's draft board 394 00:25:33,519 --> 00:25:36,720 ascension? Is it just the stuff I've read and watched. It's yeah, 395 00:25:36,759 --> 00:25:37,960 there's the off ball shooting, but there are people that think that he can 396 00:25:38,039 --> 00:25:41,880 create, and that he showed as much later in the season. Is that 397 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,680 what's fueling it? Do you believe in it? Can you break that down 398 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,920 for us please? Yeah, it's definitely what's fueling it and turning him into 399 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,319 another one of those lottery guys. Again, the physical differences that he has 400 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,480 from thy Thie Washington are the reasons why his stock is rising, and he 401 00:25:55,519 --> 00:25:57,880 may end up leap frogging Thaye Tie on some boards. I'm not a huge 402 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:02,680 Malachi brandom guy, but at the end of the day, I understand the 403 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:07,839 appeal big guards or wings who have decent feel solid catch and shoot threats and 404 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,640 physically ready, they draw a lot of attention. I don't want to take 405 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,039 away from what Brandham did either, Like it was really impressive for him to 406 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,680 anchor an offense in the second half of the year in the Big Ten as 407 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,000 an eighteen year old, and he did really well at it scoring the basketball. 408 00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:26,440 But I don't buy his shot creation for others. It's a skill that 409 00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:30,480 can be developed in the NBA. But I look at his natural propensity to 410 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,079 want to play slow, to try to feel contact, and to fall in 411 00:26:34,079 --> 00:26:38,839 love with the mid range, and those are areas that I just don't love 412 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,599 with. If I'm looking for a guy that's going to be a number one 413 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,599 or two option on an NBA team, I'd rather take a bet on the 414 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:51,400 high flying athlete or the guys who were just great with space creation over the 415 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,880 guys who are tough shot makers when they don't have space. That's more so 416 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,880 what Malachi Brandham is. There's appeal, there's value to it. It makes 417 00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:03,720 for a great mixtape on a lot of different regards. But he's also pretty 418 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,039 far away defensively, so concerns in that regard. To me, understand why 419 00:27:07,079 --> 00:27:11,200 he's moving up draft boards and in a lot of different different areas, but 420 00:27:11,559 --> 00:27:12,759 not a guy that I would go out of my way to invest in. 421 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,519 This qualify as a non lottery question, but if you had your druthers, 422 00:27:17,559 --> 00:27:21,319 it would be a lottery question. Why are you so bullish on Jayden Hardy? 423 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,480 I believe you have him at number six on your big board. Huge 424 00:27:25,599 --> 00:27:33,160 Jayden Hardy fan. It's I don't want to spend the eight minutes that go 425 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,319 into every single detail about why I love him, because I don't want to 426 00:27:36,319 --> 00:27:41,119 bore anybody to death. But I try to focus a little bit more on 427 00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:45,279 again the circumstances that these prospects are playing in before they get into the NBA. 428 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,319 And what I can't get past is how impressive it is to have an 429 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:56,519 eighteen year old waltz into a professional league with probably this second or third most 430 00:27:56,599 --> 00:28:00,720 talent in the world like the G League has right now, and manned a 431 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:06,720 number one leading role in an offense that in itself shows how high Jaden Hardy's 432 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:11,559 offensive ceiling is. The circumstances were not great around him, surrounded by four 433 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,799 non shooters, literally four other guys that he was playing with playing for the 434 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,720 Lakers. They're sub thirty percent from three damn. Like it's not just that 435 00:28:18,759 --> 00:28:22,799 they're inefficient, Like they're really inefficient shooters. And I get it. Dyson 436 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:27,119 Daniels is improving and got better as the season went on, but he just 437 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,720 he didn't operate in space, and because he's not an elite athlete, you 438 00:28:32,839 --> 00:28:37,559 look bad when you don't have the physical ability to just get past guys when 439 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,160 they're all blockading the rim from you. He's going to thrive in the modern 440 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:47,119 NBA game. Bet on scorers, bet on guys who have good handle underrated 441 00:28:47,119 --> 00:28:52,759 plaster and playmaker. I see a decent amount of a Jordan poolish type of 442 00:28:52,759 --> 00:28:57,359 guy in him. Three level shot maker, but underrated feel underrated playmaker. 443 00:28:57,519 --> 00:29:02,480 And it's so hard for me to look past guys who are eighteen years old 444 00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:04,759 and just come in and can score nineteen a game in a professional league. 445 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,440 I can't get past that. If I said the over under for him getting 446 00:29:10,519 --> 00:29:14,680 drafted was number, let's say twenty one. Are you gonna take day? 447 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,319 If you're guessing as to what's gonna happen, you think you're gonna take the 448 00:29:18,359 --> 00:29:19,960 going higher than twenty one or lower than twenty one. I think he goes 449 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,720 before the twenty first pick. I think that there's going to be a franchise 450 00:29:23,839 --> 00:29:30,279 that kind of talks themselves into the upside on that regard. And I think 451 00:29:30,319 --> 00:29:33,759 that he's a guy that's going to work out incredibly well in a one on 452 00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:37,759 those setting. So if some team gets in there, brings him in and 453 00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:41,200 falls in level that they see, I think he's going to impress. I'd 454 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,240 be curious if, assuming ty Ty Washington goes the Rockets having that second pick 455 00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:48,960 at seventeen, they still don't necessarily have a point guard solution. I don't 456 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,839 know, based off what you say about Party, whether I love the idea 457 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,440 of him and Joe and Green together, though, yeah, it'd be it 458 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,720 would be interesting, There's no doubt about that. But yeah, I think 459 00:29:57,759 --> 00:30:02,640 I think Houston at seventeen, like I wouldn't mind Cleveland at fourteen taking that 460 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:07,680 gamble and slotting him as more of a scorer next to Darius Garland or that 461 00:30:07,799 --> 00:30:11,519 third option in the backcourt if they keep Colin Sexton long term, like I've 462 00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:15,240 even thought about Atlanta taking a little bit of a risk there at sixteen and 463 00:30:15,359 --> 00:30:18,759 just putting another guy who can create his own shot so Trey Young can play 464 00:30:18,759 --> 00:30:22,519 more off ball. I think that's always been an underutilized part of his game 465 00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:26,119 because he's a really good three point shooter and particularly good off movement. So 466 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,279 a lot of avenues that I could justify. But again, it only takes 467 00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:33,480 one guys, only takes one team to fall in love with the prospect and 468 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,519 pick them a little bit higher than consensus. Point. Speaking of falling in 469 00:30:37,599 --> 00:30:42,599 love, every year there's at least one prospect I've become infatuated with who's not 470 00:30:44,039 --> 00:30:47,839 mocked or considered a top ten player. Or whatever, or even a lottery 471 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,279 prospect. You're able to guess based off the questions that I sent you, 472 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,920 which one mine was this year? And it is Bryster Gallans. Is he 473 00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,839 a top twenty pick? And am I like me looking at this? Is 474 00:31:00,599 --> 00:31:06,400 I've called this the my shake Gildest Alexander infatuation because that's kind of the year. 475 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:07,759 It might have been the year before and it started. I was infatuated 476 00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:11,599 with him and couldn't understand why he wasn't going. I would live in when 477 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,119 of the Knicks didn't. I would lived when the Knicks didn't pick him. 478 00:31:15,079 --> 00:31:21,319 Is he a worthwhile selection for my affections in this category? And we should 479 00:31:21,359 --> 00:31:23,599 apologize for his career arc as well, because I fall in love with him 480 00:31:23,599 --> 00:31:27,839 now that could only mean probably spell bad things for him. Damnd did shake 481 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:32,640 gil Justes Alexander go in the same draft as Kevin Knox? Was that the 482 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:37,039 Knox here that I feel like that was uncalled for? It was topical, 483 00:31:37,119 --> 00:31:38,480 but it was totally uncalled for. Yeah, you're right, you're right. 484 00:31:38,519 --> 00:31:44,200 I'm sorry, But no, I think mcgalan's is worth a top twenty pick. 485 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,319 I'm not necessarily sure if he's going to get picked in the top twenty. 486 00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:52,680 And there's a growing trend around the NBA right now with guys who go 487 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:59,839 to the NBA Draft combine who worked to protect their stock. They remove them 488 00:31:59,839 --> 00:32:04,079 selves from five five scrimmages because they don't want to have a poor showing and 489 00:32:04,119 --> 00:32:07,880 make teams rethink the first round buzz that they've already drawn. What inevitably happens 490 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:13,400 year after year is one or two guys who do play and show really well 491 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,519 end up getting a boost up their board because of the competitiveness factor. And 492 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,359 NBA teams are going to look there and say, well, this guy was 493 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,880 willing to bet on himself. He just loves basketball, and there's that favorite 494 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:29,920 saying of ours coming back in and as a competitor, we want to reward 495 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,240 him for that. Those are the guys we want on our locker room. 496 00:32:31,319 --> 00:32:37,480 And that particularly happens outside of the top fifteen or sixteen because those are playoff 497 00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:42,279 teams that are generally picking there and competitiveness fits in with their win now type 498 00:32:42,279 --> 00:32:46,480 of mentality. McGowan's did not play, did not participate in the five on 499 00:32:46,599 --> 00:32:50,640 five stuff, and I think that hurt him in the long run. I 500 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,119 don't know if i'd advise him to do differently, but I think that it 501 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,079 ends up hurting him a little bit because there were a couple of guys like 502 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,799 Jaalen Williams out of Santa Clara who bet on themselves, showed a little bit 503 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:05,720 higher and now might lead frog him in draft position. I really like what 504 00:33:05,839 --> 00:33:08,559 McGowans brings to the table six foot six sixty seven, right on that borderline 505 00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:14,480 as a lead guard handler, super aggressive, lots of size and raw tools 506 00:33:14,519 --> 00:33:16,480 there with his length, and he gets to the free throw line a ton. 507 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:21,400 There's something about lead guards that generate free throws at a high rate that 508 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,400 I fall in love with. These are guys that you swing on, whether 509 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:29,880 it's him, whether it's Jaden Hardy, like go after guys that have incredibly 510 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:35,240 high upside to become a three level scorer and or can anchor an offense because 511 00:33:35,319 --> 00:33:39,240 at the very least, if they hit the seventieth percentile outcome of what they 512 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:45,480 can become, then they are a really valuable microwave scorer off the bench. 513 00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:49,319 So I love McGowans. I'm right there with you. I have him, 514 00:33:49,359 --> 00:33:53,079 I think sixteenth or seventeenth on my board right now. But I think the 515 00:33:54,039 --> 00:33:59,759 guessing games over who goes where outside of the top fifteen become really challenging. 516 00:34:00,279 --> 00:34:04,640 And it's maybe it's recency bias for me coming out of the combine, but 517 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,079 a lot of those guys like him, like Blake Wesley at a Notre Dame 518 00:34:07,159 --> 00:34:12,199 Dalen Terry from Arizona, they chose not to play and ultimately that may come 519 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,440 back to bite them. Who are some prospects that really juiced up their stock 520 00:34:15,519 --> 00:34:20,800 at the Draft Combine. Jalen Williams was one of them out of Santa Clara, 521 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,440 more of a mid major who's starting to get some seam and then played 522 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,639 incredibly well and just showed a ton of what he can do. Six foot 523 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:32,400 six with a seven two wingspan, like super long arms, shot the ball 524 00:34:32,519 --> 00:34:36,400 really well from three of this last year and has a little bit of three 525 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,360 level scoring upside. Another guy who helped himself was Jake la Ravia from Wake 526 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,119 Forrest. There are rumors out there that he has a first round promise. 527 00:34:44,519 --> 00:34:50,320 I can either confirm nor deny that, but a very solid high IQ ball 528 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,000 mover and spot up shooter. And then I think Christian Brown out of Kansas 529 00:34:53,079 --> 00:34:58,119 just won a national championship, hyper competitive, like brings a little bit of 530 00:34:58,159 --> 00:35:02,519 that. You know, Grayson Allen like walk into every building and be the 531 00:35:02,639 --> 00:35:07,840 villain and loves that role type of mentality to him. And I think that 532 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:12,400 there's going to be some team in the eighteen to twenty eight range that's going 533 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,960 to fall in love with that, and so, you know, I don't 534 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,239 want to play against that guy. Let's make sure he's on our team and 535 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,480 has a little bit of that winning trade to him. So those are three 536 00:35:21,519 --> 00:35:23,920 guys that really helped themselves but can't get past. Dyson Daniels for the G 537 00:35:24,119 --> 00:35:28,760 League Knight, he had the best individual work out there and saw himself go 538 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,679 from a fringe top ten pick to almost knocking on the door of top five 539 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,639 with the way he shot the basketball and just was able to showcase all the 540 00:35:36,679 --> 00:35:38,519 things he can do with his size. Pharrell Wright, I'll be editing that 541 00:35:38,519 --> 00:35:42,800 out of the podcast as I try to get him to fall to the next 542 00:35:43,519 --> 00:35:46,519 Uh. You mentioned that there's just a ton of unpredictability once you get to 543 00:35:46,519 --> 00:35:51,320 a spot in this draft. Are there any teams outside the top ten picks 544 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:57,639 that you're just sort of endlessly fascinated by? You know I mentioned Atlanta at 545 00:35:57,679 --> 00:36:00,440 sixteen a little bit earlier, like, I don't know what fit or need 546 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:05,159 is necessarily going to be for them. They have a decent amount of young 547 00:36:05,199 --> 00:36:07,400 guys, like they got Jalen Johnson and Sharif Cooper in the draft last year, 548 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,239 who I was fascinated by. I think we're getting ready to the point 549 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:15,280 where a Yeka Akongwu deserves a little bit bigger a role in their organization. 550 00:36:15,039 --> 00:36:20,360 But they kind of stalled out a little bit after making the big playoff run 551 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,480 that they did a year ago. And I would not be shocked if they 552 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:27,639 view this as a time to make some sort of a consolidation deal to try 553 00:36:27,679 --> 00:36:30,639 to move around a lot of their parts. If this pick is for sale 554 00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:34,719 or if Schlank if he keeps the pick, what direction he goes. Do 555 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,599 they just want another veteran to come in and be able to help them right 556 00:36:37,639 --> 00:36:42,400 away, like a guy like Osheagbaji out of Kansas who can just be that 557 00:36:42,559 --> 00:36:45,719 solid three and D prospect might make sense there. Or is he going to 558 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:50,679 continue to roll the dice on those high ceiling prospects like they did last year. 559 00:36:51,639 --> 00:36:54,239 A lot of different variables at play there, and then I think we 560 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:59,760 also have to mention Charlotte for intriguing teams because they have both thirteen and fifteen 561 00:37:00,039 --> 00:37:05,320 and they desperately need a high caliber big man. Do they trade anything? 562 00:37:05,519 --> 00:37:08,519 Co Chain wasn't the problem there. Last time we were together. We put 563 00:37:08,519 --> 00:37:15,000 the James Burrego jinks on things. So yeah, let's make sure we're very 564 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,679 clear about this. They need rim protection in order for their defense to be 565 00:37:17,679 --> 00:37:21,840 better. I think they're gonna address it this year. Do they go with 566 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:23,880 a guy like Williams or darn in the draft? Do they package those picks 567 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:28,800 to move up to get the right guy? Do they make some sort of 568 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,840 a draft night trade in order to get an established veteran like There's so many 569 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:36,639 possibilities that could happen there. I think Charlotte's another team to watch. I 570 00:37:36,639 --> 00:37:39,239 mean going on for some reason a lot of Charlotte radio stations and shows lately. 571 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,760 Maybe they like to make their fans angry, which is why they bring 572 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,480 me on. I said repeatedly, I'll be floored if there's not, And 573 00:37:46,519 --> 00:37:50,719 I'm not talking about moving up just because I don't think you if you want 574 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,320 a rim protector, I don't moving off isn't going to do them any good 575 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:57,159 unless they're vaulting into the top three. Obviously, I'd be floored if one 576 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,760 or both of these picks isn't used in a deal, even if it comes 577 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,960 after even if the news comes after the draft that brings in a veteran just 578 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,239 to upgrade at the five spot, just given how they acted after the offseason 579 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,639 getting rid of James Brego, sort of making it feel like they took a 580 00:38:12,679 --> 00:38:15,880 step back this year, even though they won more games, even though I'd 581 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:21,760 argue that finishing outside the top ten in defensive efficiency was probably overachieving relative to 582 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,079 the personnel that they had. I will be flabbergasted if one or both of 583 00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:30,039 these picks isn't used to net of more veteran five Yep, And look there, 584 00:38:30,119 --> 00:38:34,800 you never know how the DeAndre Eton or Ruby Gobert sweepstakes are going to 585 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,199 shake out over the next month or two. So Charlotte's just they're just a 586 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:42,440 fascinating player. A lot of people have mentioned about how clumped together sort of 587 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,559 the I don't want to say the bottom of the draft is, but like 588 00:38:44,599 --> 00:38:46,559 the middle of the draft is, and I don't think I understood the extent 589 00:38:46,599 --> 00:38:50,679 of it until I pose you the question, are there some second round prospects 590 00:38:50,679 --> 00:38:52,320 that we should keep an eye on, to which you responded by saying, 591 00:38:52,559 --> 00:38:58,960 well, players twenty two to fifty are just absurdly close together. So are 592 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,320 there any player if that range, that clump that we should be keeping an 593 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:06,360 eye on? And I think that's for fans of just teams that are good 594 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,119 or contenders. Maybe you don't have picks, we're looking to pick up an 595 00:39:08,119 --> 00:39:13,480 extra pick, like those are the types of prospects that are super interesting because 596 00:39:13,519 --> 00:39:15,400 you want to see if your team can land someone like that or put themselves 597 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,480 in a position to get someone like that if they don't have a pick already. 598 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,639 Yeah, it's a lot of years we talk about themes with draft classes, 599 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:30,000 and the pervasive theme coming into this part of the draft cycle was a 600 00:39:30,039 --> 00:39:35,320 little bit weaker at the top than normal, okay, depth around the top 601 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,440 ten, and then not a lot of great guys when you get to the 602 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:43,800 later part of the first round. And I think that that's not necessarily changing. 603 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,480 I think the top end talent in this draft class is getting better, 604 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:52,760 but there's just no way to predict what happens once you get outside of the 605 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,960 top twenty like it, it's going to be really hard to do any mainstream 606 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,880 outlets. Any people you talk to, like, there are at least fift 607 00:40:00,159 --> 00:40:02,440 guys that are deserving of a first round grade in this draft class, for 608 00:40:02,519 --> 00:40:07,800 whatever that means. So the different directions you go in that area, you 609 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,400 go the young route and you take more of a project, You get them 610 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:15,039 on that four year contract in the final couple slots of the first round, 611 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:19,960 and or really prioritize them when there's low risk the organization. In the earlier 612 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,159 parts of the second you could go for the more prized veteran, the guy 613 00:40:23,199 --> 00:40:27,079 that you feel really comfortable is just going to come in and be a solid, 614 00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:30,440 sturdy role player. So that outside of the top twenty two or twenty 615 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,039 three, which as we said earlier, is the kind of cut off line 616 00:40:34,119 --> 00:40:37,760 for you only get twenty two or twenty three really good guys in each class. 617 00:40:37,119 --> 00:40:39,559 When you're drafting. Outside of that, you just go for a guy 618 00:40:39,559 --> 00:40:43,119 that you think, hey, let's hit singles instead of swing for the fences. 619 00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:45,000 I don't really know. I think it's going to be team dependent. 620 00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:49,719 I think there's probably going to be a good deal of movement that goes on 621 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,960 in those rounds. So what I'll bring to the table for you instead, 622 00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:55,800 Dan, are two guys that I don't think are going to jump up into 623 00:40:55,800 --> 00:41:00,440 the first round, but we'll return excellent value for where they're drafted on. 624 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:05,960 The second one of them is Trevion Williams out of Purdue. I'm a huge 625 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,440 fan of his because he is the best passer in this draft, not just 626 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:14,079 for a big man, he's the best passer in the like super super creative. 627 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,320 He's needed to work on his body and slim down. He's done that. 628 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:21,679 He needs to add a little bit more three point range. He's getting 629 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:27,400 there. Defensively, he's not a rim protector and he plays a five man 630 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,800 spot. You know, there was some questions about usage at Purdue. He's 631 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:35,039 played out of the post a ton, but his game as a playmaker translates 632 00:41:35,039 --> 00:41:38,719 to any facet of basketball that he's a plugin play really good offensive option, 633 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:43,840 and if he adds a three point shot, I think the offensive additions for 634 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,400 a team are very much worth some of the shortcomings he might have on defense. 635 00:41:49,199 --> 00:41:52,039 Another guy I'm super big on is Ron Harper Junior. When you hear 636 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,599 Ron Harper, you think of those big, physical kind of point guard like 637 00:41:55,639 --> 00:42:01,239 his dad. Right, Ron Harper Jr. Is a hoss like a load 638 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:08,280 and a half physically and fits into this modern positional versatility, switchable defender who 639 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:13,000 can guard one through four and shoot close to forty percent from three because he 640 00:42:13,039 --> 00:42:15,039 did that this year for Rutgers. He's thirty nine point eight percent from three 641 00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:20,400 on really good volume. Because he's so strong, has long arms with over 642 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,360 seven foot wingspan, can finish at the basket, and is crafty and strong 643 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:27,559 about getting there, and he guards every type of position that you want. 644 00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,679 I think a high utility player type of role guy that I would love to 645 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:36,199 get my hands on in the second round. So traveon Williams how to purdue 646 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,599 Ron Harper Junior out of Rutgers. Two guys that I think will go in 647 00:42:38,639 --> 00:42:46,559 the second and outperform their draft stock. Wrapping up with these cookie cutter categories, 648 00:42:47,519 --> 00:42:52,480 which prospects are you much higher on relative to consensus in the since we've 649 00:42:52,519 --> 00:42:57,000 already talked about him non jade Hardy division, of course, Yeah, the 650 00:42:57,039 --> 00:43:00,280 non Jadeen Hardy's. I like Blake Wesley out of Notre Dame. I have 651 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,719 a top twenty grade on him. Mid first round grade. Just love the 652 00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:07,480 upside and the tools that he has very far away those super raw, but 653 00:43:07,679 --> 00:43:09,679 can be a three level scorer in the NBA while having a six to eleven 654 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:14,760 wingspan which allows him to be a positive offender. I also like Max Christy 655 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,360 at a Michigan State. He has some three point range to his game. 656 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,960 He did not shoot the ball incredibly well for a specialist this year and his 657 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,239 freshman year with the Spartans, but a really good, complimentary guy I mentioned 658 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:30,559 earlier with Benedict Matherin. Things that I value personally are movement shooters, guys 659 00:43:30,559 --> 00:43:35,880 who create gravity, move in space, and are consistent three point threats. 660 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,079 I think Christy gets there eventually, and I'm not willing to talk myself out 661 00:43:39,079 --> 00:43:44,280 of him because of a smaller, you know what, thirty five game sample 662 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,480 size in his college year where he didn't shoot the ball particularly well. He's 663 00:43:46,519 --> 00:43:51,599 also a solid defender. So I do like Christy quite a bit. Which 664 00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:55,960 prospects are you much lower on relative to consensus? All right? So AJ 665 00:43:57,079 --> 00:44:00,519 Griffin, I know we talked about earlier, Like I don't I barely have 666 00:44:00,599 --> 00:44:04,639 him in my top twenty. I'm really really worried about the defense. It 667 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,480 is spicy, and I've a lot of these have not worked out for me 668 00:44:07,519 --> 00:44:12,440 in the past, Like I think I had LaMelo ball like seventeenth or eighteenth 669 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,599 on my board a couple of years ago. So let's just ruin my credibility. 670 00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:17,440 I'm happy to throw that out there, but I own it, and 671 00:44:17,639 --> 00:44:22,840 hopefully someday again, I want Griffin to prove me wrong. Hopefully Sunday I'm 672 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,679 able to look back at this and learn a lot of things about projecting guys 673 00:44:25,679 --> 00:44:30,239 who are questionable. If Griffin does prove me wrong, so certainly welcome that. 674 00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:35,599 Also not a huge Maliki random guy, just because, as I said 675 00:44:35,639 --> 00:44:39,320 earlier, I don't love really physical guys who don't create space, and I 676 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,480 think his mid range, heavy arsenal doesn't fit the modern game in the way 677 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,679 that I'd like it to. Kennedy Chandler out of Tennessee. I just I 678 00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:51,239 don't see the value in drafting under sized point guards. Like each of the 679 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,119 last couple of years, they've been guys that I think our first round talents. 680 00:44:54,119 --> 00:44:58,599 Sharif Cooper out of Auburn, Trey Jones, who was out of Duke, 681 00:44:58,679 --> 00:45:01,000 plays with San Antonio Spurs Now they fall to the middle later parts of 682 00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:05,400 the second round because there's just not a ton of versatility you can have with 683 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:09,079 those guys. And then Christian Colloco, now he gets first round grades, 684 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:14,159 big man out of Arizona, A lot of people like him, but twenty 685 00:45:14,159 --> 00:45:16,440 two year old Biggs rarely go in the first round, so I would much 686 00:45:16,519 --> 00:45:22,440 rather try to make the swing on him later. And I don't think he 687 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:28,760 does any one thing well enough to be draftable in a top thirty five circumstance 688 00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,559 right now. So that's a little bit of a spicy take compared to the 689 00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:37,280 mainstream right now. But again we have that conversation about bigs and trying to 690 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,760 figure out exactly where do you value drafting them. I think if you don't 691 00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:45,719 see a high pathway to upside, you probably avoid taking a guy even in 692 00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:50,400 the second round. So I'm kind of out on Coloco and Chandler and don't 693 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,559 love the modern fit of Brandam and Adia Griffin anything else that I have to 694 00:45:54,559 --> 00:45:58,639 ask you about? Do you think he needs to be touched on with regards 695 00:45:58,639 --> 00:46:01,000 to this year's this year's well, Dan, I'm going to ask you a 696 00:46:01,079 --> 00:46:04,519 question and put you on the spot. A little bit, which is not 697 00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:08,880 something that you're going to be unprepared for. But as I start preparing my 698 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:14,719 own draft analysis here, trying to get a really good feel for which what 699 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,119 teams will do and which ones are the intriguing ones to watch. I know 700 00:46:17,199 --> 00:46:22,119 we mentioned Charlotte in Atlanta as being potential movers. Would love to hear from 701 00:46:22,119 --> 00:46:28,199 you, Nix, what is the position that they really need if they need 702 00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,800 a position, and what type of player do they need to be targeting if 703 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:36,639 they're not going by a certain position. So I would say they just need 704 00:46:36,639 --> 00:46:38,039 to think the best player available, because I don't think there's anyone on the 705 00:46:38,119 --> 00:46:42,159 roster you tell or your future around right now, and that just includes RJ 706 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,119 Barrett. I think he showed a lot of growth over the past two years. 707 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:49,679 The increased rim pressure is great, the finishing is not. I think 708 00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,559 there's more passion chops to be explored. They have neither given him that opportunity 709 00:46:52,599 --> 00:46:57,440 consistently. I've been very impressed with the defense over the past two seasons for 710 00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,119 the most part, and so I'm taking whoever I just deemed the best player 711 00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:04,079 available there. If I had to boil it down to a position, I 712 00:47:04,119 --> 00:47:07,119 still think they need a lead playmaker, and I just don't think you're gonna 713 00:47:07,159 --> 00:47:08,960 get that at number eleven, which is why I default too. Can you 714 00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:14,239 just get into like the six six to six eight guy range, someone who's 715 00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,639 either gonna work on defense or gives you complimentary shooting or both. That's why 716 00:47:17,679 --> 00:47:21,760 I'm just currently in love with Dyson Daniels. I think what they absolutely should 717 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,719 not do is trade this pick for a non star. If it's gonna be 718 00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,760 it's not gonna get you a start, and it's on but someone we're not 719 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,159 talking about what comes available, and you need to bake it into a package. 720 00:47:31,559 --> 00:47:36,519 Fine. Otherwise I would be focused on just sort of seeing what you 721 00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:38,800 have in the youth of your roster, including this pick, because I still 722 00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:43,760 don't think you have a great idea. If if people have asked me, 723 00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,639 I could ask you who are the Knicks tent pole prospects right now? If 724 00:47:46,639 --> 00:47:52,840 we're being honest it let's even it's either no one or just RJ. Barrett. 725 00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,760 I love Emmanuel Quickly, Obi toppins a shot of adrenaline. Quentin Grimes, 726 00:47:55,800 --> 00:48:00,280 Duce McBride. They're intriguing that Cam Reddish trade was a unmitigated disaster at 727 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:06,800 this point. I they're they're sort of just still wandering in the wilderness at 728 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,760 this point because they doubled down too heavily on a season that was clearly an 729 00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:14,199 anomaly, and so I don't know which route they go. It would not 730 00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,400 shock me though, if by the time next season tips off, we find 731 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:21,800 out that the Knicks traded this pick for just a non star addition, which 732 00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,119 to their credit, would be a little out of character. We've seen them 733 00:48:24,159 --> 00:48:29,119 be somewhat creative within this front office around the draft. Yeah, yeah, 734 00:48:29,199 --> 00:48:31,840 I think the Knicks and the Wizards are the two hardest teams for me to 735 00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:36,639 peg, and they come right at ten to eleven, those rounding the corner 736 00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,639 parts of the lottery and can have a lot of impact on the draft moving 737 00:48:39,639 --> 00:48:44,119 down. So the better feel we can get for what's going to happen there, 738 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:49,039 I think that those are not necessarily shake up spots, but it's going 739 00:48:49,079 --> 00:48:52,519 to set the stage for what other teams afterwards can really do. You would 740 00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:55,679 DMP to me about Washington, and you think they should be a candidate to 741 00:48:55,679 --> 00:49:00,679 try and aggressively move up if they can get into Jay Nivey, like that's 742 00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,599 the guy that you would consider if you can move up for in your Washington 743 00:49:04,159 --> 00:49:08,039 to try and do it. I just I don't know what Washington is right 744 00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:12,840 now, Like are they trying to win now because their roster doesn't suggest that 745 00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,760 they have the pieces to do so. But they're not trying to rebuild either 746 00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:22,719 because they don't have enough youth and their contracts statuses are quickly running out of 747 00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,079 flexibility to be able to make a lot of big moves. Because Bradley Beale 748 00:49:25,159 --> 00:49:30,840 is going to be worth a fortune over the next couple of years. I 749 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,719 think they need to go in on finding a point guard because they're the one 750 00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:37,519 team that has a glaring need if they're going to try to make a push 751 00:49:37,519 --> 00:49:44,360 for the postseason and Ivy again, the availability at four with Sacramento intrigues me 752 00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,519 to the point where if Washington could construct some sort of a deal to try 753 00:49:47,559 --> 00:49:52,400 to move up and get Ivy, I think that that's a huge franchise tent 754 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,639 pole that allows you to split the difference, to be really taken care of 755 00:49:55,679 --> 00:50:00,400 in the long term because you have a future star and to find the position 756 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,320 will fit in a little bit of an instant impact to play with Bradley Beal 757 00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,960 right away. So I know Wizards fans are probably not in love with adding 758 00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:12,800 another hyper athlete and ball dominant guy next to Bradley Beale because we've seen the 759 00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,119 last two kind of fizzle out in Washington in that regard. But I just 760 00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:20,119 I'm a big believer in Jade and Ivy and if they can swing in it 761 00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,039 for I'd be all for it. But I mean, there's so many other 762 00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:24,960 avenues that they could go down and try to get a guard that can come 763 00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:30,159 in and compliment Bradley Beal right away. To your credit, they also tried 764 00:50:30,199 --> 00:50:35,000 to slow down like Spencer Dinwoody, and that didn't work alongside Bradley bal either 765 00:50:35,079 --> 00:50:37,119 until I like you're starting to or you're gonna run out of options eventually. 766 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,480 And I think the more salient point is if you do go out and get 767 00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:45,639 Ivy, if you trust his shooting an ability to play off the ball in 768 00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:49,480 time, it works with Bradley Beale, But it might be just as critical 769 00:50:49,559 --> 00:50:52,119 that this is someone who set you up for the future, should it be. 770 00:50:52,039 --> 00:50:55,480 If we're being honest, Despite what's being said, Bradley Beale is not 771 00:50:55,559 --> 00:51:00,199 going to come close to finish his next contract in Washington. That's just that's 772 00:51:00,199 --> 00:51:02,000 the reality of the situation. The other two teams I want to mention really 773 00:51:02,079 --> 00:51:06,800 quickly. I think this is more out of want. And you sold me 774 00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,639 on Benedic Mathin before this pod when I was watching the videos that you've done 775 00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:14,280 on him. If they can get if New Orleans can get him, I'm 776 00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:15,679 like, Okay, this is someone who comes in helps right away, they 777 00:51:15,679 --> 00:51:19,280 get Zion back, they use their mid level and by annual free agency, 778 00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,519 this gets really interesting. But just watching them after they started three and sixteen, 779 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,800 knowing what they did against Phoenix, knowing who's coming back, knowing the 780 00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,920 makeup of this team, I really just want them to make I want a 781 00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:31,760 player who fits to become available that they can go out and a choir and 782 00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:37,000 a consolidation trade because that number eight pick is it's not expendable. But like 783 00:51:37,039 --> 00:51:40,960 they're a team that can absolutely justify moving that level of selection, and they 784 00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:45,719 can do it because they hit on so many rookies this year. The track 785 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,280 record that they're developing and drafting is really impressive, so that they have the 786 00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,599 flexibility too if they really need to and it's time to go all in trade 787 00:51:52,679 --> 00:51:57,920 one of those future picks because they've hit so well on kind of undrafted guys 788 00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,679 or second round picks. What is their need though, Is it they just 789 00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:06,440 need more shooting on the perimeter or is it a floor spacing rim protector next 790 00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,719 to Zion. And then when you have that ladder discussion, as I have 791 00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:13,519 had with a few Pelicans fans who veheamily disagree with me, which is totally 792 00:52:13,519 --> 00:52:16,599 fine. Jonas Valancunis is really good. You have Larry Nance Jr. I 793 00:52:16,639 --> 00:52:21,639 still don't like Jackson Hayes's game, maybe particularly for this roster, but he 794 00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,480 gave you some really solid moments this year while also playing next to you on 795 00:52:24,559 --> 00:52:30,039 as Valanciunist, so that sort of complicates it. But it feels like I 796 00:52:30,119 --> 00:52:32,920 don't I can't. I would have my own preferable biggest need, but it 797 00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:37,039 feels like there's not a consensus on what this team needs most. I'd say 798 00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:42,760 that they need shooting without sacrificing defense, and you can put whatever position on 799 00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,239 that you want, but when Zion comes back, he needs the floor space 800 00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:49,480 around him. So if you're going to add anybody else to this team, 801 00:52:49,639 --> 00:52:53,920 make sure they can shoot without sacrificing defense. I'm really want to see Zion 802 00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:58,960 under Willie Green, just the transition defensive mindset he instilled. I'm just wondering 803 00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,159 if that will each Zion as well and just the last team. And I 804 00:53:02,159 --> 00:53:07,360 think they're quietly like there's an aimlessness to what they're doing in a good way. 805 00:53:07,639 --> 00:53:10,159 The Spurs, because it's they have three first round picks, one of 806 00:53:10,199 --> 00:53:14,440 which falls in the lottery at number nine. Then they have number twenty, 807 00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,920 and they have number twenty five correct, Yeah, early second round or at 808 00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:22,239 thirty eight, which is that's a dangerous pick for the San Antonio Spurs to 809 00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,480 have. I could absolutely see them just keeping all of these picks. There's 810 00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,360 maybe one draft in stash in there, and then they're still bringing in three 811 00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,679 rookies. But they're also like they're just in this weird spot where unless you're 812 00:53:31,679 --> 00:53:35,360 moving to Jean Day Murray, I don't know that you could. I don't 813 00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,960 think they should. I want to be clear, you can't get much worse, 814 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,800 because who are you moving aside for Murray? That actually makes you a 815 00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:44,360 lot worse. As good as v Cell is, as good as I thought. 816 00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,079 Kelvin Johnson showed a lot of progress this past season at the same time, 817 00:53:47,679 --> 00:53:52,280 if you're asking whether you're ready to compete, the question has to be 818 00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:53,960 and I know they're only handful of guys with the answers yes, Ken de 819 00:53:54,039 --> 00:53:59,199 Jean Day Murray be the best player on a contender. I think the most 820 00:53:59,199 --> 00:54:02,119 favorable response is that remains to be determined. I would lean towards no. 821 00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:07,480 Then you have to ask, well, is that player potentially on our roster 822 00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:10,719 or are we going to be able to bag him in this draft or upcoming 823 00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:15,280 drafts. I know the Spurs find value everywhere, but you could also argue 824 00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:19,199 the answer there is no, because they're gonna be perpetually just drafting around this 825 00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,360 spot, and so I just want they could if you told me they made 826 00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,679 a consolidation trade, because they seem more open to making moves like that now 827 00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:28,960 given what they did with the Marta Rozen and then Derek White. If you 828 00:54:29,039 --> 00:54:30,760 told me they went that route and they tried to get Zach Lavine in a 829 00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,320 sign and trade, or there was someone who cropped up on the open market, 830 00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,000 that wouldn't shock me, and I'd support it. If you told me 831 00:54:37,079 --> 00:54:40,360 that they tried to somehow gut the roster they're taking just the biggest swings possible 832 00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:45,119 in the draft. I'd be all for that. I am so curious as 833 00:54:45,159 --> 00:54:47,679 to and they, by the way, they might have the most cap space 834 00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:52,000 in the league depending on how some of these books shake out. I cannot 835 00:54:52,039 --> 00:54:57,000 wrap my head around san Antonio's direction, and normally that would be caused for 836 00:54:57,039 --> 00:55:00,039 me to be down on it, and I find myself like accelerated by it. 837 00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:06,559 Yeah, I think it's finally Like the Spurs have always been an organization 838 00:55:06,599 --> 00:55:09,880 that's a little bit more quiet and sits out a lot of big deals or 839 00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:15,079 doesn't make huge splashes and free agency, this is the year when they could 840 00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,400 really be aggressive and we've never seen what that turns into for them, Like 841 00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:22,400 the little Marcus alderg year was a little bit different, but this is this 842 00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:27,239 is gonna be huge. We've let off a lot of this talk with the 843 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:31,159 Kings and say like how hard is it to predict what they're going to do? 844 00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:35,760 And I feel the same way with the Spurs. But we give san 845 00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:37,639 Antonio the benefit of the doubt because whatever it is that they end up doing, 846 00:55:37,639 --> 00:55:40,880 like they're typically right, they get proven right as time goes on. 847 00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:46,000 So I am more inclined to say, like, I'm not going to try 848 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:50,280 to figure it out before the draft, but I'm going to wait in the 849 00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,639 later parts of July and see how all of it comes together and say, 850 00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,239 man, why didn't And I think of that that actually makes a lot of 851 00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:59,239 sense for this organization. So I just can't wait to see how they get 852 00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,199 to that point. They are the one team that I'm okay with taking Dyson 853 00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:05,079 Daniels before the mix because it's not right before them. So this isn't like 854 00:56:05,159 --> 00:56:07,519 a Steph Curry situation. But it's also okay Tyson Daniel is gonna wind up 855 00:56:07,519 --> 00:56:12,000 there. Maybe he just ends up turning into a stud. And I did 856 00:56:12,119 --> 00:56:15,639 want to ask you very quickly, who is the second most important player long 857 00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:21,599 term to the Spurs right now? Oh, I will give you. I'll 858 00:56:21,639 --> 00:56:23,039 give you my answer, and I don't think it's a good one. I 859 00:56:23,119 --> 00:56:25,760 have Devin Vassell. Yeah, I think va Sell is I think va Sell 860 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:31,320 is my guy too. I wouldn't, I would. I'm kind of toggling 861 00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:36,719 between him and Josh Primo and the reason yeah yeah, because Josh Primo, 862 00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:38,840 like he was the one guy that you drafted with the intention of being a 863 00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:42,880 primary scorer and the guy that really just puts the ball in the basket. 864 00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,000 That's still what wins games in the NBA. So I think he's their most 865 00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:52,599 important prospect, but not necessarily their second best player right now or most valuable 866 00:56:52,639 --> 00:56:55,480 guy at least in terms of conventional value to everybody else in the league. 867 00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,679 Spins, this was fantastic. As always, you are of that and endless 868 00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:05,920 bottom was that of information and insight. I appreciate it. Are you able 869 00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,320 to tell our listeners where they can find you and all the spectacular work that 870 00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:14,239 you do. I am willing and able, Dan, thank you again for 871 00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,760 having me on here, but follow me on Twitter at the Box and One 872 00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:22,880 Underscore. Our YouTube channel, Adam Spinella has NBA Draft Scoutter reports coming out 873 00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,639 pretty much every day, and then we have a substack page that writes about 874 00:57:25,639 --> 00:57:30,400 those prospects in longer form, as well as some draft philosophy pieces. That's 875 00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:34,320 The Box and One Dot Substack dot com. All of our work comes and 876 00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,719 one of those three places, So if you hit any of those up, 877 00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:40,159 you're guaranteed to find something that you might disagree with. The link to the 878 00:57:40,199 --> 00:57:45,119 YouTube channels into the description. I highly recommend anyone who's going into crash course 879 00:57:45,159 --> 00:57:49,199 mode for the draft, like myself, needs to check it out. It's 880 00:57:49,239 --> 00:57:52,880 amazing. Spins, thank you so much, congratulations in advance on the wedding, 881 00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,800 And like we said at the top, I hope that you're able to 882 00:57:55,880 --> 00:58:00,760 enjoy it and end unplug because you work really hard. And I know myself 883 00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:04,679 and everyone who listens to this around these parts super appreciate all the hard work 884 00:58:04,719 --> 00:58:06,159 they can do. Appreciate it.