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psychic Robert Lindsay Miln. That's me, Welcome to my side of the crystal
Ball. We've got a stellar show for you tonight. My guest is Leslie
Mitchell Clark. Besides being a singer down her performer booking agent that she did
in her earlier days and even still today, besides that, she is a
practicing licensed hypnotherapists with a specialty dealing with people that have had alien encounters,
been abducted as well. She hasn't been, but but some of her clients
have been abducted, and in her work she helps them come to terms with
and deal with those types of experiences. And then, of course, and
Leslie is going to be my guest sitting in the expert's chair, and of
course there's going to be a WWRS as well, just before the expert's share,
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let's light this candle and get the show start at I want to talk
today and WWRS about self esteem and how self esteem, our self esteem and
other people's self esteem affect us in every day of our life. You know,
it's interesting most people that have been in a relationship for a lengthy time,
whether that be a marriage, whether that be a romantic connection, whether
that be a friendship, and sometimes even people connecting in a work environment.
Most people that are connected together have pretty much the same level of self esteem
because it's difficult for someone with high self esteem to get along with or just
be around someone with low self esteem, and the reverse is true. Someone
with low self esteem is uncomfortable around someone with high self esteem. So regardless
of how a couple would behave and we've all seen relationships where there is one
person, it can be the man and it can also can be the woman,
one person is far more dominant controlling than their partner, and the partner
tends to be submissive and have a low standard of esteem. Actually they're pretty
much even because it's just so difficult to have a relationship where the esteem is
where there's a difference in that self esteem. When one partner in that relationship,
regardless of whether it's the dominant or submissive one, when one partner goes
through some time of growth expansion, the relationship is now in danger, is
threatened to end because when someone grows, they become more, they become different,
and the person with low self esteem or the person that's choosing not to
grow or staying the same, will do their best to pull the other one
back down to that level, and it can be hostile, it can be
negative, it can be quite intense. The person with high self esteem is
then stuck that they either have to keep on growing or slide back to the
level they left from. Sometimes it ends a long term relationship. A lot
of times it can end a friendship when one grows and one chooses to stay
the scent. Take a look at your self esteem and never mind about the
external behavior. Just look at your self esteem and how you deal with others,
and how you allow and tolerate how people deal with you. You'll find
that your self esteem is very much a personal one, but pretty much equal
to anyone you'd be spending a lot of time with. And that's what Robert
has to say. My guest tonight in the Expert's chair is Leslie Mitchell Clark.
Leslie Mitchell Clark, currently in Toronto, Canada, originally from New York,
is a practicing hypnotherapist, grand master of her craft. Generally her craft
her practice is the traditional hypnotic type therapy. Her specialty happens to be dealing
with people who have had alien encounters, abductions, and also family members that
have been abducted. Leslie Mitchel Clark also does therapy with people who or does
therapy with people that have have traumatic experiences. And furthermore, she has learned
and studied a huge amount about extraterrestrials. They're here, the different types,
and I just can't wait to hear all the things that she has to say.
So let's get this interview going. My guest, Leslie Mitchell Clark,
and sitting in the expert's chair tonight, Leslie, I just wondering, how
does a young girl from New York City have this extensive background in uh music,
jazz, acting and performing to becoming our hypno therapist specializing and people that
have had alien experiences? And how did you? How did that happen?
Well? I should I should put it out there that a lot of these
things I never stopped doing. I still sing regularly. In fact, two
nights ago, I was the featured performer at the td Niagara Jazz Festival.
I still do acting work voiceovers. Yeah, not live theater really anymore.
I'm not an equity member, but I still do acting and performing work.
But has always had to be a a or at least since I stopped traveling
in the road so much since my kids came along. There has to be
a income stream that is dependable and such. And for a number of years
I did work still in the music business as a top media consultant, publicist
and the jazz world in New York City. I handled all of Warner Brothers
records and more so. I did that until I had a kind of a
I had a kind of an epiphany. It was. It was a midlife
epiphany as opposed to a crisis. In other words, I didn't buy a
red convertible and get a girlfriend, but I did have I did have a
kind of an epiphany, and I just realized that, wow, I was
a publicist. All I'm doing here, you know, I'm using all my
skills about people. I'm manipulating people. Sometimes I'm lying, and I said,
and even then, you know what I'm really doing that is criminal.
Is I'm blowing people's egos up for two months and then I'm done, and
they inevitably have like a postpartum you know, depression, because they get all
they get all this attention. I've got them interviewing here and doing this and
doing that, and then nothing right. So I thought, you know,
this is I'm using a lot of skills in the wrong way, but I
don't know what to do. So my husband, God bless him, and
this was really an inspired thing. He decided he was going to buy me
a past life regression for the purpose of kind of finding my path. So
he found a noted hypnotherapist and I went and my country was that that was
right here, that was here, that was here. I was here,
that was Toronto, and found a lovely lady and I went to her and
I had a very successful, fascinating regression. But the main thing that I
took away from that was I can do this. I can do this work.
I knew it in my soul. And I also knew, because of
course I do believe in past lives that I have done, I had done
this work before that. It was in my mind, computer it was it
was just a natural thing. And so once I had that epiphany, it
didn't take me long to find, you know, the right teacher, and
I went to the Ontario hYP Excuse me, Ontario Hypnosis School and Center,
which was run by doctor Georgia Cannon, who not related to Loris Cannon,
but you may know her from her relationship with Shirley McLaine and a lot of
big celebs were always coming in to see her. But at any rate,
I also later I took on my metaphysical certifications. Also, I do a
lot of pediatric hypnosis. I work in addiction, I work in pain management.
So all of those things were kind of further studies that went beyond the
basic course. But the basic course does allow you to do all of these
modalities. Maybe it shouldn't, but it does. But I but I took
the proper training and certification through our guilt. And so in these contemporary times,
I do not only what you would call mainstream hypnosis, which would involve
all these things I mentioned earlier, you know, weight loss, quitting a
habit and bah bah and uh. And I also work in metaphysical hypnosis and
regression. And my particular bent, my particular specialty is I work with many,
many individuals who believe that they have had extraterrestrial encounter experiences. If you
believe the variety, did you believe in those encounters? Did you believe them
back then or have you developed your belief in them since you started your hypnotherapy?
Well in truth, and I discussed this a lot in my recent book
Intersections in Truth. I had a series of amazing UFO type experiences one summer
when I was working in a summer stock theater in the Black Hills of South
Dakota. So I was already open to all that. And you know,
Eric van Danikin had already made his little Super eight films. What were you
what were you discovering back then with those alien experiences? What did you explay?
Haven't experienced any of that? Okay, well I'll just tell I'll do
you know, a cliffs Notes version of of what happened to me. So
I arrived right out of fresh out of high school. I was sixteen years
old, and I was accepted to this prestigious Midwestern summerstock theater called the Black
Hills Playhouse. And we had about I suppose we had about three hundred people
in the company and it was in repertory and we did five, six seven
shows. It was very busy. So one of the gals that was in
the company, and at the time, I thought that she was very senior
to me. You know, maybe she was in her late twenties, right,
but I was so young. So she had had already a very professional
career as a singer, mostly of country music in Las Vegas, and she
also raised wild horses or came them or whatever she did. So she had
a car which was great, so we would drive into town, which was
Custer, South Dakota, through the dark, winding black hills. And I
think it was the first time I rode with her that I had the first
sighting. And it was a fully realized craft that I saw, which was
very much in the mode of the of the saucer, the you know,
the Betty and Barney Hill type of I could I could distinguish windows, I
thought, but there were multiple colors, and it was silent, and it
was flying or if you could call it flying. It was bobbing and weaving
kind of through the trees and I and I wanted and I asked her to
stop the car. I said, look at that. Can you see that?
And she says, well, they're just you know, they're just pressuring
me. I said, what do you mean, pressuring you? And she
revealed that she was a very excellent psychic, and she actually worked in the
secret government program in what we called Dreamland or I think Area fifty one,
and she would go to a plane wrap airport and get into a plane wrap
plane, and they would flyer out there, and she would work with other
sensitives in mastering telepathic communication with ETS. And she said she had become completely
exhausted from it because the communication never stopped. She couldn't say I'm done no
more. It was constant and they and she was being pressured, probably by
the ETS and the government. So I found this, of course, incredibly
startling. But there I was seeing the evidence. What could I say to
that? So this went on really all summer. There would be sightings intermit,
some of them closer, some of them farther away. And one afternoon
I was lounging at the snack bar, something I was really good at.
And I was lounging the stack bar, and across the way, maybe about
twenty feet away, was this gal's uh dorm room, dorm area. It
was kind of like a campground. They were outside buildings, but they were
you know, decent structures. So I saw this highly unusual car pull in.
I mean it looked like a like a Pontiac star chief. I don't
think it had fins, but it was just about there. You know,
we're talking late fifties or release sixty and it was black like your classic M
I BE. Except I didn't know about that then, but your classic M
I BE car. So it's oh, men in black, your your coverment
like the movie, you know, like the movies classics. So so they
this car pulls in and it goes around the you know, turnaround, and
stops right in front of her door. And then I see these and I'm
going to use the term being because I do not believe. I didn't believe
at the time, and I still do not believe that they were human or
fully human. So these beings come out and they're physically not very large,
but they're wearing nineteen nineteen forties shoulder pad I mean, they're wearing George Raft
suits. They really are, and they also have on you know, fedoras,
and it's like, you know, it's like thirty celsius. It's bloody
hot, it's the middle of the summer. And I also noticed that that
their their pants were really high, and they were wearing like big, like
look like orthopedic shoes, and I'm and I now wonder. Somebody pointed out
and said, do you think that it had to do with how they perceived
gravity? Do you think the shoes were weighted because they were walking, you
know, really not very comfortably, so that's a possibility. Anyway, they
go in, they go into to her you know quarters, and I am
I'm sort of paralyzed. And the other strange thing is I'm looking all around
and this is a this is a company of three hundred people and a cook
and this and not one person is around. I see no one walking anywhere.
So I said, okay, I'm going to give it ten minutes and
then I'm going in. Now what did I expect to do? You know,
A wave, a tune to sandwich at them. I don't know what
my plan was, but that's being a teenager having no frontal lobe. So
I was ready to go in, and just as I was about to step
in, these beings came out. They didn't run, they were moving kind
of robotically. They got back in the car and they sped out and sped
away. When they saw you. They didn't appear to see me. They
didn't acknowledge me at all, either when they came in or when they came
in. It was just like, okay, this person is here, I
mean, anybody in the know. With no that I had been with her,
and we had been having sightings all summer. I'd already seen Kraft,
you know, twenty times or something. So I don't think I was a
threat in some way. I think I was allowed to be there simply because
I was not going to cause any trouble. Okay, they don't want people
to cause trouble. We'll knock them out, they'll put the memory blocks out
on them, they'll put the hoodoo on them. They don't want him to
to overreact. So anyway, then I ran in there and I said what
the hell was that? And she just said, well, that was just
some they were. They were coming again to try to talk me into coming
back into the program, and again I refused. So I don't know what
happened to this young lady after that. I tried to find her a few
times and was not successful. But you know, and I often thought,
wow, did she did she make herself disappear? Did she disappear? But
so that had already happened before I ever had my life changing past life.
You think about that very much afterwards. I thought about it all the time.
I thought about it all the time. I really really did, and
not in a not in a fearful way processing because it's unusual. Yeah,
just wanting to know more, always wanting to know more, always looking for
the next interesting documentary, always wanting to know more, and and believing,
by and large, these dear souls that you know, they they they give
up there, they give up everything to tell the truth. And the people
that are experiences, who have legitimate experiences. I mean, let's talk about
Travis Walton for instance, that part man Lost Everything. Travis Walton is a
very very famous experienced or in fact, an amazing movie which they're now remaking,
was made about his experience, and it's called Fire in the Sky.
And Travis Walton was a young forestry worker and in Arizona and the earth Snowflake
Arizona, and he and I think it was four of his compatriots were up
working in those mountains doing their work. And when they finished for the day,
they were leaving the area, at which time they spotted again a very
classic UFO looking very much like what I described, you know, the real
Betty and Barney Hill models. So accept this this craft was sending a had
a big energy beam coming out of the bottom of it. So all the
you know, all the guys were really scared, but Travis, for some
reason wasn't scared and jumped out of the truck and ran into the beam,
at which point he was lifted up and then dropped. And we're talking maybe
this was twenty feet thirty feet substantial drop. So the guys, so,
the guys in the truck were terrified, and they thought he was dead,
and they panicked, and they sped away, and after a few moments they
were guilty. They sped back and Travis's body was gone, no trace of
him. Now I think it was forgive me, your listeners are very astute.
Forgive me if I have any these little details incorrect. But I believe
it was at least five days that he was gone, and the ETS dropped
him off on a piece of barren highway in a little town close to where
he lived, and somehow he was able to call his brother on the phone.
Who came. His brother and his girlfriend, I believe, came and
picked him up. This happened to Travis before this time or was it his
first experience? Well that's a very interesting question because he has always just talked
about this as if it was an isolated, wrong place, wrong time type
of incident, but he did. I did see him speak at a more
intimate setting than a convention, and he did say that he now believes that
he has had previous experiences, but I don't believe that he has been to
a hypnotherapist. I offered my services, so if he ever does, I
hope he'll come to me. So so here's this dear man who came out
probably well, what finally happened, and this is the crux of the injustice
of the whole thing. While he was gone for the five days, his
brother in law and his friends were all being investigated for murder, and he
disappeared, Yes, And they were grilling these guys and giving him lie detector
tests, and they got some big FBI guy from Texas to come in and
and nobody would believe them, even though they all tested uh as if they
were truthful. No one believed them. That a light beam of light came
down and sucked him up and dropped him down. So he show, Yeah,
they sucked him up and then dropped him down. But they sucked him
up, and he was gone for five days, then dropped him. No,
well, they they dropped him off. I said, the actual incident.
You know, he was physically picked up by that beam, and his
compatriots saw him be dropped on the ground. They split, so they didn't
know what happened. Now, as Travis says, he was taken backboard aboard
the craft. And now he believes that it was completely accidental, that he
was hurt, and that the ets actually saved his life and healed him and
regenerated him, and that although he only remembered parts and it was terrifying,
he now has come to this probably much more likely point of view. Now.
Also, this was this was a craft that was being operated by both
grays, a variety of grays and humanoids, people who looked just like us.
In fact, he tried to speak English to them, but they're I
think they're telepathic. I'm not sure they understanding. So what and was portrayed
in the movie is a terrifying piece of fiction. They hired a separate director
and Italian directors and a photographer to come in and shoot the Abord craft sequence,
which bears no relation to anything that Travis experienced or wrote in his book.
So there, that's a fascinating story. It really truly is. When
we could talk about that all day. But so so that was back in
that experience, that experience happened. Boy, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna
guess nineteen seventy two. Okay, early seventies is my guests. Okay,
So now now we're in twenty twenty two. So how did you come from
being in music and entertainment and things like that to being a therapist and somebody
working with people that have had encounters or believe they've had encounters with aliens.
Well, I think it was a direction that I always wanted to go in,
and I was already too. Oh yes, especially after after that in
seineteen seventy two, I was shaking my booty on the road. It was
not you know. So let's see, I've been I've been working in as
a h certified hypnotherapist for probably about twenty years now, Okay, so that's
about how long ago we were talking. When I begin training. Now,
I was working in the beginning of my hypnotherapy career at the Ontario Hypnosis Center,
which is a very highly regarded place in Yorkville. Now, about once
a month, uh, someone would call in and would say, you know,
I have an unusual thing. I believe I may have had a et
encounter, I have missing time, I have a star in my body,
whatever it was. And so no one else, none of my colleagues wanted
to touch that with a ten foot poll. The person would be crazy.
Yeah, And so I said bring it on. So it was just I
did. I did. I said bring it on. And and so what
started what started to happen, Robert is I just think, quite simply the
law of attraction. When I became able to help these people, and and
and you know, there is no real established methodology for working with experiencers.
But what I have done is I have adapted past life regression techniques developed by
doctor Georgina Cannon to work in the areas with experiencers. I didn't reinvent the
wheel, but I have adapted what I already knew and was fastcile with.
So so every time someone came in with that type of issue, I took
them on. And you know, I I have to tell you the experiencer
phenomena. It crosses all socioeconomic, racial religious differences that we ethnicities. It
is a global phenomena and has been going on since before our recorded history.
Because I believe that we are the hybrids. So you know, all of
the fear based behaviors that people are expressing about the et presence, and you
know, God forbid, you know, the right wing wanting to militarize space
and being fearful of invasions. If these evolved beings, even if they're not
culturally more evolved than we are, they certainly have superior technology, and if
they wanted to wipe us out, they could. The repeated message that I
hear from every experiencer I have ever worked with is you must put on your
big boy pants. You must clean up your environment, you must heal mother
Earth, you must be kind to each other, you must demilitarize, you
must you cure the sick. And we have technology that can help with all
of that all you want. Do they care? Because I think that they
feel a genetic responsibility because because they created the high Bridge, well, I
don't know if created would maybe be the word. That's certainly, it's certainly
if you are and I am a follower of Zacharia Sitchen, And of course
Sitchen's work is all about the Anunaki, and and we're talking about ancient Sumeria.
You know, ground zero for civilization was most most probably created by the
Anunaki, and they were advanced geneticists, and so we have genetic relations with
I believe a number of star beings that bear a huge physical resemblance to us
from what I've been told. And again I'm not not making this is just
what i've heard. So I'm offering it. Take it as you will,
Pleadians Arcturians learns all these people look so much like us that they could walk
amongst us, and I believe that they do. They have earth based,
I mean earthlike environments. But it seems that at least a portion of the
beings who visit here who resemble us, are vibrating at a higher residency,
so they are actually interdimensional if you want to think about it in that in
those terms. You know, everything is vibration, everything, and you know
when we when we increase or lower vibration, it's like a radio dial,
you know. So we're right now, we're in the third density. We're
in the meat suit. We are still grappling with you know, feudalism and
tribal warfare. Really, we're still grappling with all this stuff. And so
I think that we are on the crest. We are on the crest of
being accepted into And this may sound nutty, but I hear a boy a
lot, and I believe that there is a galactic benevolent galactic Federation, not
unlike Jean Roddenberries vision. In fact, he was a very highly ranked military
officer and also was involved with the CIA and such. Who knows what he
actually knew that in those programs Star Trek. A lot of the technology that
we saw in those early shows in the sixties and our are what we're using
now. Yes, I mean biobeds, measuring e MF fields, measuring,
you know, using a thing like a tricorder to identify different emanations. Uh,
you know, there's there's a whole lot robotic surgery. There's a whole
lot of stuff. In fact, I think there was a TV show it
was great. It was called How Star Trek Changed the World. But I
do have to wonder what Roddenberry knew. But that being said, everything that
I hear leads me to understand that there is a benevolent galactic Federation. Now,
you know, I was I was talking with someone that's written several books
about about UFOs and and and he mentioned that there's a group of of aliens
that that are praying mantisis have you heard of that all the time? All
the time they are, they are tall. It would be very disturbing for
us to see them. Maybe, But the thing is, the maddest beings
are like pure love. They often and they have been described when I when
I've got people regressed to their childhood experiences. And by the way, I
don't believe there is any such thing as someone who's had only one experience.
But anyway, when I regress people to their childhood experiences, they will often
talk about the brown doctors. Now they don't want to be seen. They
are the expert geneticists of the universe, and they often wear monk like a
monk like cowls so they won't disturb people. But as beings they are pure
love and highly evolved. Wow, we have a lot of prejudice about you
know, the fact that we come from a mammalian uh you know stream,
but on some planets, uh, the insectoid stream is the one. Now
there's all. There's We still have shared DNA. We have shared DNA with
reptilians. We have DNA and are there like reptiles that are like aliens as
well? Absolutely, and many many kinds, and most of them eats,
no, most of them completely benevolent, these fearful things. Now, what
I'm going to say about this, and it's I have not only a friend,
but someone I've presented with the conference's Captain Randy Kramer. Now, Captain
Kramer was a participant in the what we call the Secret Space Program, which
is a which is an entity that has been around since the fifties. That's
when the military industrial complex got mixed up with exotic technology, shall we say.
Anyway, Captain Kramer has told me an awful lot. He and some
of the other individuals who have experienced this have spoken openly about working in the
Mars Defense Force and the Lunar Defense Force now on Mars apparently, and this
again is not just from Captain Kramer, but many experiencers. Mars apparently does
have an atmosphere because it's been terraformed since the fifties, and it's possible when
you go there to walk about. Now it's a little bit like and making
an adjustment, like being at a high altitude, so some people take oxygen,
but it has an atmosphere. It was also at one time populated by
an extremely ancient civilization where they're they're what's left of their architecture looks to be
Egyptian made in the same kind of way, so that exists. And then
also there are several groups apparently of reptilian beings that live underground on Mars,
and we have treaties actually with like two of them, but there's like one
of them that still likes to come out and fight. So we do have
a defensive situation there now, Randy Kramer kept where when they come out to
fight, who do they fight with? They're fighting our soldiers, our soldiers
who are stationed in the Mars defense. We have soldiers at Mars. Absolutely,
we do, when we have since the fifties. So when we say
ours is this is this the world? Or is this the United States?
Is this Russia? Is this? Well? Captain Well Canada, Canada and
the US have been in bed together on the whole Ye of O thing since
the beginning, So yes, absolutely the Canadians involved, lots of Canadians right
now today to this moment. So what what what I've had explained to me
is that in when I say our, I'm speaking of our our blue earth,
our water planet. Now Randy Kramer said that there is barely a country
on the face of the Earth that is not represented in what in the you
know, in the in the space, in the in the Black Ops secret
space program. Yeah, so this is and how did you find out out?
Well, this is kind of a this is amongst people who are kind
of interest in this particular aspect. There is a lot of information out there
now a book that I would suggest that any of your wonderful listeners if you're
interested in this particular time, which I would call the advent of the of
this space program. There's a book called The Day After Roswell by The Day
After Roswell by Colonel of Philip Corso, And he was there after the Roswell
crash. He witnessed the beginning, He was involved at the beginning of the
secret space program. He knows about the deal that we made with those Grays
that crashed at Roswell. There was an exchange of technology, but there was
also a suppression of truth. Yeah, well apparently it was really it was
the final decision of Harry Truman. And that's why this Harry, Yeah,
that's why this is some call sometimes called the Truman Agreement. But they Harry
Truman and the Joint Chiefs of Staff felt that our global population was not ready
for the knowledge that we are not alone and the knowledge that we don't have
superior technology in this universe. They just thought it was too much and that
the religious people would freak out and the economy would collapse. I mean,
so that original what we call the Truman Agreement that was made with the zay
to reticulate Grays. They they were having a lot of genetic problems. They
were not able to the grays. This particular, this particular group of Grays
that was involved in the Roswell crash had survivors and that was how we really
made contact. But they had been visiting our planet because we are distantly related.
They have some human DNA and they could no longer reproduce. So they
said, well, we're going to give you. How about this. You
know, we're not interested in any kind of war anything like that. We
will give you technology that you can handle, and in its change, we
would like to uh harvest genetic material from a few of your people on this
earth. Is that why there were abductions? Yeah, and the brutal Ones
and the brutal Ones by by the Grays where they're they're taking sperm and they're
taking over them. And then later people are showed they're hybrid children and they're
part gray and part human and freaked people out. It did so much damage
and it was completely over the top from what we were told. So the
Grays aren't necessarily our enemies. They're just not particularly sensitive to, yes,
but they are. Again we must remember there are many, many, many
different types of Grays, and most of them are completely benevolent. But these
guys, it's really but these these guys from Zayda Ritticuli, they it is
a it's a binary planet with there's Zata Particulari one and Zeta Particuli two,
and they have been involved in trade with all the civilizations for millennia. They're
old hands at space travel and they're neither really neither good nor bad, except
that they were. They were quite inept and often brutal in what they did,
but they believed they had permission to do it. Now, also I
should say that there was an end to disagreement that they that they ratified,
that everybody ratified. It carried on into the Eisenhower years. But I believe
and I can pretty much put a finger on this because it's when I stopped
hearing about or people stopped coming to me with these brutal kind of genetic material
inductions. So I'm going to say that it probably ended sometime in the early
eighties. So when someone does come to me with repressed memories of one of
these horrible events, it's never taken place last night. It's always twenty years
ago, twenty five years ago like that. So that horrible kind of thing,
Uh, really, we're not really seeing that at this point. And
so the day after Roswell explains how this came about, and the technology that
we received certainly explains the big leap that we had. We got integrated circuits,
we got fiber optics, we got Belcrow great for costume designers, we
got let's see and and and more stuff about. We got invisibility and I'm
not invisibility, cloaking and other kinds of things. So and then the shared
technology they change for our DNA or other things that we have, yeah,
our DNA to reboot their inability to reproduce for whatever reason, that happened,
and then it came to an end, so that gray has become more sensitive
since since they've had some of our DNA or or are they still as harsh?
Well, I think I don't think that they are. I don't think
that they are to us, but not them right Well, I think what
I would say is they I think their experiments were probably quite successful, and
I think that they did stimulate their reproduction. And I think that there are
a number of gray and human hybrids that are probably able to live on Earth,
and the differences are so subtled that you wouldn't even notice it. So
we're even more connected with them genetically than we were before. But I don't
like to make contact with people. They stay in They will often stay in
touch with the people who have helped them or see they look at it in
a different in a different way, I guess, but they stay in touch
with the people who have helped them, or they or the individuals that they
believe that are hybrid that are hybrids, you know, that are that are
part of them. And as I said, sometimes even today, one of
the experiences that I work with, who's a lifelong experior experiencer, not that
long ago, he had a very physical experience where he went on a craft
and he was shown his children. He was shown his children, and when
they when they took them away, he just sobbed like a baby because in
this life he's a person who does not have children for various reasons. And
immediately he could see him and he immediately accepted that they were his children and
just didn't even care about anything else and didn't want to let them go.
So, but not all of the hybrids, apparently, as I understand,
are able to live on Earth. That didn't necessarily work for all of them,
but they are able now to use our DNA with in whatever way they
are to reproduce, so that whole thing is over. So they kind of
lived amongst us, and we don't know. It's entirely possible, I believe
so. And they just interact like like people, except they're you know,
they're highly telepathic. You know, telepathy is the language of the universe.
Telepathy a psychic right, So yeah, absolutely, you know that. So
telepathy and numbers and math are physics, if you will, Those are the
intergalactic languages. So I think I've recently had an experience, but I don't
want to talk about that right now. But I have no doubt because Robert,
what what the ets are interested in my belief after doing this for twenty
years. What they are interested in is working with individuals who have psychic ability.
And they sometimes are following genetic lines, you know, they which which
they get luck in my blood lines, no one in my bloodlines admits that
they have this awareness. Well, that's often the case where it skips generations.
You know that that's that's it's genetics. It's it's the roll of the
dice, right, and and for a man to be And this is not
meant in any demeaning ways, just that there are there seems to be a
greater proportion of female psychics than male. Now, I I am not sure
if it has to do simply with societal acceptance of a man who is psychic.
It may be completely equal. I don't know, But in my figures
and in my books I work with, it seems many more women than men.
But it may be well that that you do like in hypnotherapy or okay,
and and those those you work with more women than men, and and
you're you're you're seeing that their their psychics or intuitives, and okay, okay,
I just want because I'm always asking, you know, when, when
when they're when they're going through they're recounting their experiences to me. I'm always
saying, are they asking are they speaking to in your mind? Or are
their mouths moving? Are they using their gladness and esophageal stuff, and and
let's say no, no, they're just they're all just talking. They're all
just talking in my mind. And so that's the they need that. It's
so hard the other way for them to work with a bunch of different beings.
See, there are a lot of collaborative programs going on. And and
think about it for a minute, Robert, if you were you know,
if you were Jane Goodall, and you're in the middle of the jungle somewhere
and you discover an unknown tribe of advanced primates, but only maybe five of
them are are able to form words and speak, wouldn't you spend your time
with the ones that could physically communicate and say words. I think it's a
little bit like that. And and also, you know, many many of
us, and I suspect yourself, Robert, where we are we are here
at this time in this place because this is the grand experiment, and we
want to be here to bring a new era into being in fact, you
know, I think we are, you know, Midwives of Disclosures the term
I use. And that's the book after the next one. So how many
books have you written, I've just reatten. Well, I've been a journalist
for years and written lots of stuff, but I just have one out now
that is about upology. But but the next one is almost finished, and
then Midwives of Disclosure I'm going to write in collaboration again with Wes Roberts,
who was an experiencer who I had the great privilege of working with over a
number of years. You know, you're you're saying I think you said you
have more women clients than male clients around this area, or do you have
more women female clients than male clients as the hypnotherapist, ordinary everyday kind of
hypnotherapist, Like, I couldn't imagine anything that's ordinary or middle of the road
about you. So, well, it's a clients. But well, I
think probably in my mainstream, straight ahead work, it's right down the middle,
okay, you know, I do I think, and and essentially I
think men and women are saying their souls are not male or female. We're
just souls and we come into these different bodies and we're subjected to these hormonal
things that go on. But in the realm of metaphysical hypnosis, uh,
and that includes past life progressions, there is a diffident predominance of female experiencers
in my practice. Now, maybe another practitioner would say something different, but
mine is maybe sixty five thirty four female or forty males, something like that.
There is more I've I've had more women clients over my lifetime than male
clients. Yes, I'm getting more men, but the men are coming in.
But you know, in mainstream hypnosis, a lot of the problems that
men are having are coping with you know, changes in our society and men
not knowing you know, what to do or how to feel or uh it's
or having lived with their parents too long, or you know, scared it
won't be able to buy a house. You know, there are a lot
men are coming in with there with a lot of gender issue concerns, not
their identity necessarily, but how do I how do I function in society?
Now, there's been a huge transition in our lives. Well I'm a bit
older than you, but but but in in our lives, the difference in
the way my parents were were I was growing up. And the way mothers
and fathers are today, oh my. The you know, women, women's
position in the world is far more powerful than it has been in certainly in
our recorded history. Oh, absolutely true. I agree with and and yes,
right I'm on that side. I am too, and I and I
kind of think almost you know, women a lot of time have always run
the show, but from a manipulative point of view, which is no fun.
But you know, I was born in nineteen fifty six. I mean
it was it was leave it to Beaver. It was extremely traditional. I
mean, yes, my dad was a chazz musician, but it was a
it was a little bit like the Dick Van Dyke show. You know,
he come home from and my mom would be wearing one of those you know
dresses with this with the petticoat and you know, my and there you go.
So so everything has changed dramatically and in that in that case or in
that situation, profoundly for the positive. Absolutely, And it's only going until
you know, Robert, I feel that until we balance the male and female
energies on this planet, we are going to continue, uh to have unrest.
You know, women have been suppressed for so long, and they're still
so suppressed. A certain and one of the things that that happens for men
or doesn't happen for men, is being taught how to live differently, how
how what what the traditional ways of doing things are are are are changed,
but we haven't had the opportunity to be taught or shown how things should be
or need to be. Yeah, and what replaces it? I mean,
you know, I'm embarrassed to tell you a few times, you know,
I thought a man was going to open the door for me, and he
didn't, and I just sort of pound into the door, you know.
But you know I'm I'm old school and I'm an old fart, so you
should open the door for an old lady anyway. Well, I've always opened
the door. I've always done that. So you you see me hobbling along
over there in the Corso Italia, be open the door and then buy me
a nice giant glass of Kyanti and it'll be okay. So all right,
that's really fascinating. So when people have experiences with UFOs, are they always
trauma times? No? Okay, no, I got it. See the
ones that aren't traumatized though, right, I see a mix a math shop.
But you know what usually happens is trauma or perceive. Trauma can be
just not remembering things correctly, especially in our little childhood perception. So it's
not unusual for me to regress, you know, take the little shreds of
the memory, the conscious memories they have, and go back to the childhood
experience. And then I say, now you can see in the dark,
you can see what the beings look like. And I help them to completely
without fear, with the lights on, look at what's going on, and
they can see that the beings expressed that they don't want to hurt them or
whatever it's. It's so often what was perceived or thought to be a terrifying
experience turns out to be a benign experience. And you know what we need
to address with lifelong experience is how they balance this contact within the framework of
having a productive life in the third density and getting the rest that they need
because many, many experiencers, of not all of them, have big time
sleep disorders, and I think it's in part due to the fact that some
aspect of them may be afraid to fault sleep because so many occurrences have happened
at night. But also from the mature experiencers that I work with, what
I'm hearing is that at nighttime they buy locate astro project, if you will,
and are actually the experiencer, the experiencer themselves, the mature experiencer themselves,
like I'm going to say, an experiencer past forty, This is a
common experience where they have apparently in their you know, etheroric life, they
have they're working on some kind of project or with other beings of a wide
variety, and rather than going through the more cumbersome or difficult process of being
transported out of our dimension into some place else, experiencers, mature experiencers,
seem to have the ability to effortlessly by locate, and I think maybe they've
been taught that. So I've never heard you've used words I've never quite heard
of before or never heard of by locate. What is bylocate? Well,
two locations, but two at one two times, okay, two places at
once. So what that would mean, what I mean by using that particular
term is the experiencer's physical body doesn't go anywhere. It's lying there in the
bed in a deep sleep and probably couldn't be woken up if if the partner
or whatever tried so they look to be in a very very deep sleep.
But the physical body is there, but the consciousness much in the same way
people do with remote viewing or with astral projection. But this is a this
is a projection that when when the individual arrives like in spirit I guess if
you will, and their etheric body on the craft, it seems very physical,
uh to them, and and they are present human the yeah, the
human to the human experience, and also to the beings that are perceiving them.
Oh hi, how are you? You know? And and so this
etheric body that we have, which is part of us, the the astral
body, whatever you wish to call it, can adjust its vibration. I
believe and function independently and in fact engage each with beings who are either in
another dimension or in some distant galaxy. It doesn't matter where they are,
because it's the speed of thought. We can travel at the speed of thought.
So the kinds of things that happen early in experiencers life, like taking
taking a board, being taken aboard craft and taught and learned how to do
all these little things with your mind and being in classes. This is what
the experiencers go through when they're children, and so it shifts in later life
into a completely theoric experience, if you will, an encounter experience Robert can
be physical or it can be spiritual. It's everybody gets them or just a
few people. I think that being taught this technique is a big part of
what happens when the young people, people that are going aboard craft and being
trained are trained to do I've heard descriptions of a kind of a kind of
a chair or kind of like a video game thing that helps you to learn
to do it, to actually project, you know, actually allow that part
of yourself to the consciousness. Is there a place that I can sign up
or well or lots of people sign up? Now? Who I mean?
And how do you know you haven't signed up already? And that you don't
do this at night? Does it ever happen that you wake up completely exhausted
as if you haven't slept well, that's that could be an indicator that something
else is going on at night. I'd really like to know if it is.
I'd really like to consciously know. You have to come over man and
have a session. While we can do that, we can, we will
will will work on that, because you're exactly the kind of you're You're exactly
the kind of person that you know, I think would be of interest to
UH, to ets that want to communicate, and and also your your you
know, your psychic ability. I I you're saying things in conversation that while
if I wouldn't be thinking about aliens or ets, I wouldn't have noticed.
But you're saying things, and I'm thinking, oh, I've experienced that,
I do this, this happens to me, and and until recently, I
never would have been receptive or aware. Well, you're you're this is the
this is the time when people wake up about that part of their life.
It's it's this is you know, this is very common most people, most
people Robert do come to me forty plus more commonly older than that. Okay,
but but this is when you know, this is I guess this is
when we are we are ready to understand what has been going on, We're
ready to integrate it, and we're ready to consciously, you know, help
the world one person at a time. I tell you, if we ever
needed help, we need it now here you know, one of the things
that I say is that I really don't understand politics. I don't understand finance.
I'm not interested in the big picture. I am interested in helping the
person in front of the minute. Yes, And actually that's that's how I
think. As as a practitioner, I think I am helping one person at
a time, so they're healing their benefit. That is what is of primary
concern to me. And of course you know in Canada and rightly so,
as a as a hypnotherapist, I am not allowed legally to work with the
individuals that have been diagnosed with a mental health issue. And by that I
mean something profound like bipolar issue or schizophrenia, any kind of dissociative disorder,
borderline personality disorder, if there anything has been diagnosed. Once it's diagnosed,
I can't do it. But sometimes people come to me before they've ever been
diagnosed, or they've been diagnosed, and they're hiding it from me. So
I have to make a And also I want to say, if anyone has
struggled with mental mental illness, one thing does not preclude the other. You
can be suffering a mental issue and be an experiencer. It's just that Unfortunately,
I'm not the person that would be able to legally sort that out.
So when someone comes my way that seems to display enough symptomatic evidence or the
meds that they're taking, and I know what they're for, that's another thing.
I used to be a psychiatric technician, so I know, you know,
I know a lot about medicine. So anyway, there you go.
So if I have the slightest doubt that that's the that that is the case.
Here in Toronto, I have a number of colleagues who are psychologists and
psychiatrists and psychotherapists who are allowed to go into those areas and they are open
to the idea of ET contact. So I send someone on, I don't
leave them hanging out to dry. I would never do anything like that.
And just because they are experiencing schizophrenic symptoms, it doesn't mean that something else
isn't going on, you know. So that's what I do about that.
Do you do work online or I do? Oh yeah, so I absolutely
do. Okay, So, after all the things that you've said or astonishing,
and we barely scratch the surface, how do people find you if they
need your service, want your service, or just want to learn from you.
Oh just a question, you just have a question. I love for
people to get in touch with me, even if you just have a question
or an observation or whatever it is. So you can always reach me at
Leslie l E. S l e. Y at LightWork Hypnosis dot com.
And that's all one word, LightWork Hypnosis dot com. I am also on
Facebook as both LightWork Hypnosis and Leslie Mitchell Clark. So you can always say
me a Facebook message too, and I will I promise to get back to
you. May take me a minute, but I always do so I'd love
to hear. I'd love to hear from anyone out there who has a question
or whatever. Early on in our I can't remember if it was just before
we started, just after we started, we said, oh, well,
well you you know, you suggested we could do another show on jazz musicians.
And you know, while I love jazz and jazz musicians, maybe we
can do two shows, one on another one. I quote, we even
an extension of Today and then talk about jazz, and we'll put jazz on.
We'll put Showbizz on the back burner. Give that book. That book
is even finished yet, so we'll put that on the back burner. That'll
be another thing. But but I would love to come and talk some more
about I don't know, the secret space program and the kinds of encounters people
have had and the many diverse beings that they have experienced and star Seeds.
What a fascinating discussion I've had with you today. Grateful thanks. It's been
such a delight speaking with you, and I really look forward to chatting with
you again. Wow. What a fabulous show tonight. What a fabulous guest.
I'd like to thank Leslie Mitchell Clark for sharing all this knowledge, disinformation
and life experience with us here on my side of the Crystal ball. And
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