1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:06,559 You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best in paranormal talk radio 2 00:00:06,799 --> 00:00:32,000 in the UK and around the world. Hey, everybody, welcome to my 3 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:38,159 side of the crystal Ball. We're broadcasting from Toronto, Canada, the most 4 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:44,039 culturally diverse city in the world. Homo Blue Jay's raptors may believes in Canadian 5 00:00:44,079 --> 00:00:50,159 psychic Robert Lindsay Miln. That's me, Welcome to my side of the crystal 6 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:56,479 Ball. We've got a stellar show for you tonight. My guest is Leslie 7 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:03,280 Mitchell Clark. Besides being a singer down her performer booking agent that she did 8 00:01:03,359 --> 00:01:10,159 in her earlier days and even still today, besides that, she is a 9 00:01:10,239 --> 00:01:22,120 practicing licensed hypnotherapists with a specialty dealing with people that have had alien encounters, 10 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:29,159 been abducted as well. She hasn't been, but but some of her clients 11 00:01:29,159 --> 00:01:33,640 have been abducted, and in her work she helps them come to terms with 12 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:38,719 and deal with those types of experiences. And then, of course, and 13 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:45,719 Leslie is going to be my guest sitting in the expert's chair, and of 14 00:01:45,719 --> 00:01:49,799 course there's going to be a WWRS as well, just before the expert's share, 15 00:01:49,879 --> 00:01:53,920 but before we get there. I've got a couple of requests. 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You can find me on Facebook, 25 00:02:40,479 --> 00:02:49,240 Instagram, YouTube, and TikTok as well. And now, without further ado, 26 00:02:49,919 --> 00:03:00,879 let's light this candle and get the show start at I want to talk 27 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:08,520 today and WWRS about self esteem and how self esteem, our self esteem and 28 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:14,919 other people's self esteem affect us in every day of our life. You know, 29 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:20,960 it's interesting most people that have been in a relationship for a lengthy time, 30 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,919 whether that be a marriage, whether that be a romantic connection, whether 31 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:32,719 that be a friendship, and sometimes even people connecting in a work environment. 32 00:03:34,599 --> 00:03:43,680 Most people that are connected together have pretty much the same level of self esteem 33 00:03:43,759 --> 00:03:50,120 because it's difficult for someone with high self esteem to get along with or just 34 00:03:50,199 --> 00:03:54,439 be around someone with low self esteem, and the reverse is true. Someone 35 00:03:54,520 --> 00:04:03,520 with low self esteem is uncomfortable around someone with high self esteem. So regardless 36 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:10,280 of how a couple would behave and we've all seen relationships where there is one 37 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,759 person, it can be the man and it can also can be the woman, 38 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:21,680 one person is far more dominant controlling than their partner, and the partner 39 00:04:21,959 --> 00:04:33,199 tends to be submissive and have a low standard of esteem. Actually they're pretty 40 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:40,720 much even because it's just so difficult to have a relationship where the esteem is 41 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:46,279 where there's a difference in that self esteem. When one partner in that relationship, 42 00:04:46,639 --> 00:04:53,959 regardless of whether it's the dominant or submissive one, when one partner goes 43 00:04:54,120 --> 00:05:02,160 through some time of growth expansion, the relationship is now in danger, is 44 00:05:02,319 --> 00:05:10,839 threatened to end because when someone grows, they become more, they become different, 45 00:05:11,639 --> 00:05:15,680 and the person with low self esteem or the person that's choosing not to 46 00:05:15,759 --> 00:05:21,399 grow or staying the same, will do their best to pull the other one 47 00:05:21,879 --> 00:05:27,560 back down to that level, and it can be hostile, it can be 48 00:05:27,639 --> 00:05:32,720 negative, it can be quite intense. The person with high self esteem is 49 00:05:32,759 --> 00:05:44,480 then stuck that they either have to keep on growing or slide back to the 50 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:53,199 level they left from. Sometimes it ends a long term relationship. A lot 51 00:05:53,240 --> 00:06:00,000 of times it can end a friendship when one grows and one chooses to stay 52 00:06:00,079 --> 00:06:04,600 the scent. Take a look at your self esteem and never mind about the 53 00:06:04,759 --> 00:06:11,800 external behavior. Just look at your self esteem and how you deal with others, 54 00:06:12,199 --> 00:06:17,560 and how you allow and tolerate how people deal with you. You'll find 55 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:24,879 that your self esteem is very much a personal one, but pretty much equal 56 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:30,959 to anyone you'd be spending a lot of time with. And that's what Robert 57 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:41,160 has to say. My guest tonight in the Expert's chair is Leslie Mitchell Clark. 58 00:06:41,959 --> 00:06:46,680 Leslie Mitchell Clark, currently in Toronto, Canada, originally from New York, 59 00:06:47,759 --> 00:06:56,680 is a practicing hypnotherapist, grand master of her craft. Generally her craft 60 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:09,800 her practice is the traditional hypnotic type therapy. Her specialty happens to be dealing 61 00:07:09,839 --> 00:07:17,560 with people who have had alien encounters, abductions, and also family members that 62 00:07:17,759 --> 00:07:26,680 have been abducted. Leslie Mitchel Clark also does therapy with people who or does 63 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:34,120 therapy with people that have have traumatic experiences. And furthermore, she has learned 64 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:42,079 and studied a huge amount about extraterrestrials. They're here, the different types, 65 00:07:42,439 --> 00:07:46,120 and I just can't wait to hear all the things that she has to say. 66 00:07:46,199 --> 00:07:53,199 So let's get this interview going. My guest, Leslie Mitchell Clark, 67 00:07:54,639 --> 00:08:01,199 and sitting in the expert's chair tonight, Leslie, I just wondering, how 68 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:13,040 does a young girl from New York City have this extensive background in uh music, 69 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:22,839 jazz, acting and performing to becoming our hypno therapist specializing and people that 70 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:30,600 have had alien experiences? And how did you? How did that happen? 71 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:35,240 Well? I should I should put it out there that a lot of these 72 00:08:35,279 --> 00:08:39,360 things I never stopped doing. I still sing regularly. In fact, two 73 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:43,960 nights ago, I was the featured performer at the td Niagara Jazz Festival. 74 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:52,120 I still do acting work voiceovers. Yeah, not live theater really anymore. 75 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:56,759 I'm not an equity member, but I still do acting and performing work. 76 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:05,080 But has always had to be a a or at least since I stopped traveling 77 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,120 in the road so much since my kids came along. There has to be 78 00:09:07,159 --> 00:09:16,440 a income stream that is dependable and such. And for a number of years 79 00:09:16,639 --> 00:09:24,039 I did work still in the music business as a top media consultant, publicist 80 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:28,240 and the jazz world in New York City. I handled all of Warner Brothers 81 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:33,879 records and more so. I did that until I had a kind of a 82 00:09:33,399 --> 00:09:37,279 I had a kind of an epiphany. It was. It was a midlife 83 00:09:37,279 --> 00:09:41,120 epiphany as opposed to a crisis. In other words, I didn't buy a 84 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:46,039 red convertible and get a girlfriend, but I did have I did have a 85 00:09:46,159 --> 00:09:50,720 kind of an epiphany, and I just realized that, wow, I was 86 00:09:50,759 --> 00:09:54,120 a publicist. All I'm doing here, you know, I'm using all my 87 00:09:54,240 --> 00:10:00,360 skills about people. I'm manipulating people. Sometimes I'm lying, and I said, 88 00:10:00,399 --> 00:10:03,120 and even then, you know what I'm really doing that is criminal. 89 00:10:03,279 --> 00:10:09,279 Is I'm blowing people's egos up for two months and then I'm done, and 90 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:16,600 they inevitably have like a postpartum you know, depression, because they get all 91 00:10:16,799 --> 00:10:20,440 they get all this attention. I've got them interviewing here and doing this and 92 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:24,759 doing that, and then nothing right. So I thought, you know, 93 00:10:24,799 --> 00:10:28,879 this is I'm using a lot of skills in the wrong way, but I 94 00:10:28,919 --> 00:10:31,519 don't know what to do. So my husband, God bless him, and 95 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:35,759 this was really an inspired thing. He decided he was going to buy me 96 00:10:37,159 --> 00:10:43,320 a past life regression for the purpose of kind of finding my path. So 97 00:10:43,399 --> 00:10:48,639 he found a noted hypnotherapist and I went and my country was that that was 98 00:10:48,759 --> 00:10:52,200 right here, that was here, that was here. I was here, 99 00:10:52,519 --> 00:10:56,679 that was Toronto, and found a lovely lady and I went to her and 100 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:01,000 I had a very successful, fascinating regression. But the main thing that I 101 00:11:01,039 --> 00:11:07,440 took away from that was I can do this. I can do this work. 102 00:11:07,039 --> 00:11:11,759 I knew it in my soul. And I also knew, because of 103 00:11:11,799 --> 00:11:13,919 course I do believe in past lives that I have done, I had done 104 00:11:13,919 --> 00:11:20,879 this work before that. It was in my mind, computer it was it 105 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:28,159 was just a natural thing. And so once I had that epiphany, it 106 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,399 didn't take me long to find, you know, the right teacher, and 107 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:37,320 I went to the Ontario hYP Excuse me, Ontario Hypnosis School and Center, 108 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:43,279 which was run by doctor Georgia Cannon, who not related to Loris Cannon, 109 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,720 but you may know her from her relationship with Shirley McLaine and a lot of 110 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:50,840 big celebs were always coming in to see her. But at any rate, 111 00:11:50,279 --> 00:11:56,720 I also later I took on my metaphysical certifications. Also, I do a 112 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:03,759 lot of pediatric hypnosis. I work in addiction, I work in pain management. 113 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:09,840 So all of those things were kind of further studies that went beyond the 114 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:16,000 basic course. But the basic course does allow you to do all of these 115 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:20,960 modalities. Maybe it shouldn't, but it does. But I but I took 116 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:30,879 the proper training and certification through our guilt. And so in these contemporary times, 117 00:12:31,279 --> 00:12:37,159 I do not only what you would call mainstream hypnosis, which would involve 118 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,879 all these things I mentioned earlier, you know, weight loss, quitting a 119 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:46,519 habit and bah bah and uh. And I also work in metaphysical hypnosis and 120 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:56,159 regression. And my particular bent, my particular specialty is I work with many, 121 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:03,000 many individuals who believe that they have had extraterrestrial encounter experiences. If you 122 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:11,960 believe the variety, did you believe in those encounters? Did you believe them 123 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:18,240 back then or have you developed your belief in them since you started your hypnotherapy? 124 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:22,120 Well in truth, and I discussed this a lot in my recent book 125 00:13:22,159 --> 00:13:30,440 Intersections in Truth. I had a series of amazing UFO type experiences one summer 126 00:13:30,759 --> 00:13:33,120 when I was working in a summer stock theater in the Black Hills of South 127 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:39,159 Dakota. So I was already open to all that. And you know, 128 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:45,039 Eric van Danikin had already made his little Super eight films. What were you 129 00:13:45,159 --> 00:13:50,679 what were you discovering back then with those alien experiences? What did you explay? 130 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:56,720 Haven't experienced any of that? Okay, well I'll just tell I'll do 131 00:13:56,159 --> 00:14:01,240 you know, a cliffs Notes version of of what happened to me. So 132 00:14:01,519 --> 00:14:05,679 I arrived right out of fresh out of high school. I was sixteen years 133 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:13,240 old, and I was accepted to this prestigious Midwestern summerstock theater called the Black 134 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,840 Hills Playhouse. And we had about I suppose we had about three hundred people 135 00:14:16,879 --> 00:14:20,559 in the company and it was in repertory and we did five, six seven 136 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,960 shows. It was very busy. So one of the gals that was in 137 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:30,320 the company, and at the time, I thought that she was very senior 138 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,480 to me. You know, maybe she was in her late twenties, right, 139 00:14:33,639 --> 00:14:39,000 but I was so young. So she had had already a very professional 140 00:14:39,039 --> 00:14:43,320 career as a singer, mostly of country music in Las Vegas, and she 141 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:48,480 also raised wild horses or came them or whatever she did. So she had 142 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:54,759 a car which was great, so we would drive into town, which was 143 00:14:54,879 --> 00:15:00,960 Custer, South Dakota, through the dark, winding black hills. And I 144 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,559 think it was the first time I rode with her that I had the first 145 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:09,720 sighting. And it was a fully realized craft that I saw, which was 146 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,440 very much in the mode of the of the saucer, the you know, 147 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:20,320 the Betty and Barney Hill type of I could I could distinguish windows, I 148 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:24,039 thought, but there were multiple colors, and it was silent, and it 149 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:28,639 was flying or if you could call it flying. It was bobbing and weaving 150 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:35,960 kind of through the trees and I and I wanted and I asked her to 151 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:37,519 stop the car. I said, look at that. Can you see that? 152 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,879 And she says, well, they're just you know, they're just pressuring 153 00:15:41,919 --> 00:15:43,960 me. I said, what do you mean, pressuring you? And she 154 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:54,919 revealed that she was a very excellent psychic, and she actually worked in the 155 00:15:54,960 --> 00:16:03,200 secret government program in what we called Dreamland or I think Area fifty one, 156 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:07,080 and she would go to a plane wrap airport and get into a plane wrap 157 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:11,480 plane, and they would flyer out there, and she would work with other 158 00:16:11,559 --> 00:16:21,600 sensitives in mastering telepathic communication with ETS. And she said she had become completely 159 00:16:21,879 --> 00:16:27,240 exhausted from it because the communication never stopped. She couldn't say I'm done no 160 00:16:27,279 --> 00:16:33,960 more. It was constant and they and she was being pressured, probably by 161 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:38,480 the ETS and the government. So I found this, of course, incredibly 162 00:16:38,519 --> 00:16:42,440 startling. But there I was seeing the evidence. What could I say to 163 00:16:42,519 --> 00:16:48,919 that? So this went on really all summer. There would be sightings intermit, 164 00:16:48,039 --> 00:16:53,919 some of them closer, some of them farther away. And one afternoon 165 00:16:55,679 --> 00:17:00,600 I was lounging at the snack bar, something I was really good at. 166 00:17:00,879 --> 00:17:04,279 And I was lounging the stack bar, and across the way, maybe about 167 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:11,319 twenty feet away, was this gal's uh dorm room, dorm area. It 168 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,680 was kind of like a campground. They were outside buildings, but they were 169 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:22,559 you know, decent structures. So I saw this highly unusual car pull in. 170 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:26,000 I mean it looked like a like a Pontiac star chief. I don't 171 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:30,680 think it had fins, but it was just about there. You know, 172 00:17:30,759 --> 00:17:34,799 we're talking late fifties or release sixty and it was black like your classic M 173 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:38,079 I BE. Except I didn't know about that then, but your classic M 174 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:42,799 I BE car. So it's oh, men in black, your your coverment 175 00:17:44,039 --> 00:17:48,119 like the movie, you know, like the movies classics. So so they 176 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:52,640 this car pulls in and it goes around the you know, turnaround, and 177 00:17:52,759 --> 00:17:57,519 stops right in front of her door. And then I see these and I'm 178 00:17:57,559 --> 00:18:03,720 going to use the term being because I do not believe. I didn't believe 179 00:18:03,759 --> 00:18:06,480 at the time, and I still do not believe that they were human or 180 00:18:06,519 --> 00:18:11,839 fully human. So these beings come out and they're physically not very large, 181 00:18:11,279 --> 00:18:19,720 but they're wearing nineteen nineteen forties shoulder pad I mean, they're wearing George Raft 182 00:18:19,799 --> 00:18:25,759 suits. They really are, and they also have on you know, fedoras, 183 00:18:26,319 --> 00:18:30,079 and it's like, you know, it's like thirty celsius. It's bloody 184 00:18:30,079 --> 00:18:33,640 hot, it's the middle of the summer. And I also noticed that that 185 00:18:33,759 --> 00:18:41,160 their their pants were really high, and they were wearing like big, like 186 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:45,079 look like orthopedic shoes, and I'm and I now wonder. Somebody pointed out 187 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,799 and said, do you think that it had to do with how they perceived 188 00:18:48,839 --> 00:18:52,880 gravity? Do you think the shoes were weighted because they were walking, you 189 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,799 know, really not very comfortably, so that's a possibility. Anyway, they 190 00:18:56,839 --> 00:19:00,839 go in, they go into to her you know quarters, and I am 191 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:06,799 I'm sort of paralyzed. And the other strange thing is I'm looking all around 192 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:10,480 and this is a this is a company of three hundred people and a cook 193 00:19:10,599 --> 00:19:18,000 and this and not one person is around. I see no one walking anywhere. 194 00:19:18,799 --> 00:19:22,680 So I said, okay, I'm going to give it ten minutes and 195 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,759 then I'm going in. Now what did I expect to do? You know, 196 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:27,400 A wave, a tune to sandwich at them. I don't know what 197 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:33,319 my plan was, but that's being a teenager having no frontal lobe. So 198 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:37,559 I was ready to go in, and just as I was about to step 199 00:19:37,599 --> 00:19:41,640 in, these beings came out. They didn't run, they were moving kind 200 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:45,759 of robotically. They got back in the car and they sped out and sped 201 00:19:45,799 --> 00:19:49,720 away. When they saw you. They didn't appear to see me. They 202 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:55,039 didn't acknowledge me at all, either when they came in or when they came 203 00:19:55,039 --> 00:19:56,880 in. It was just like, okay, this person is here, I 204 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,359 mean, anybody in the know. With no that I had been with her, 205 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:04,440 and we had been having sightings all summer. I'd already seen Kraft, 206 00:20:04,839 --> 00:20:11,000 you know, twenty times or something. So I don't think I was a 207 00:20:11,039 --> 00:20:17,200 threat in some way. I think I was allowed to be there simply because 208 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,799 I was not going to cause any trouble. Okay, they don't want people 209 00:20:19,799 --> 00:20:22,920 to cause trouble. We'll knock them out, they'll put the memory blocks out 210 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:27,000 on them, they'll put the hoodoo on them. They don't want him to 211 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:32,039 to overreact. So anyway, then I ran in there and I said what 212 00:20:32,079 --> 00:20:33,839 the hell was that? And she just said, well, that was just 213 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:38,240 some they were. They were coming again to try to talk me into coming 214 00:20:38,279 --> 00:20:45,240 back into the program, and again I refused. So I don't know what 215 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:51,319 happened to this young lady after that. I tried to find her a few 216 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:56,920 times and was not successful. But you know, and I often thought, 217 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:02,440 wow, did she did she make herself disappear? Did she disappear? But 218 00:21:02,559 --> 00:21:10,400 so that had already happened before I ever had my life changing past life. 219 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,480 You think about that very much afterwards. I thought about it all the time. 220 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,759 I thought about it all the time. I really really did, and 221 00:21:19,799 --> 00:21:25,319 not in a not in a fearful way processing because it's unusual. Yeah, 222 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:29,759 just wanting to know more, always wanting to know more, always looking for 223 00:21:29,799 --> 00:21:37,240 the next interesting documentary, always wanting to know more, and and believing, 224 00:21:37,519 --> 00:21:41,079 by and large, these dear souls that you know, they they they give 225 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:48,160 up there, they give up everything to tell the truth. And the people 226 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:52,160 that are experiences, who have legitimate experiences. I mean, let's talk about 227 00:21:52,160 --> 00:22:00,640 Travis Walton for instance, that part man Lost Everything. Travis Walton is a 228 00:22:00,759 --> 00:22:07,200 very very famous experienced or in fact, an amazing movie which they're now remaking, 229 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,599 was made about his experience, and it's called Fire in the Sky. 230 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:22,240 And Travis Walton was a young forestry worker and in Arizona and the earth Snowflake 231 00:22:22,319 --> 00:22:27,519 Arizona, and he and I think it was four of his compatriots were up 232 00:22:27,559 --> 00:22:33,599 working in those mountains doing their work. And when they finished for the day, 233 00:22:33,279 --> 00:22:41,039 they were leaving the area, at which time they spotted again a very 234 00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:45,799 classic UFO looking very much like what I described, you know, the real 235 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:52,480 Betty and Barney Hill models. So accept this this craft was sending a had 236 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,759 a big energy beam coming out of the bottom of it. So all the 237 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,000 you know, all the guys were really scared, but Travis, for some 238 00:23:00,039 --> 00:23:08,279 reason wasn't scared and jumped out of the truck and ran into the beam, 239 00:23:08,319 --> 00:23:15,200 at which point he was lifted up and then dropped. And we're talking maybe 240 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:19,880 this was twenty feet thirty feet substantial drop. So the guys, so, 241 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,599 the guys in the truck were terrified, and they thought he was dead, 242 00:23:25,039 --> 00:23:29,839 and they panicked, and they sped away, and after a few moments they 243 00:23:29,839 --> 00:23:33,680 were guilty. They sped back and Travis's body was gone, no trace of 244 00:23:33,799 --> 00:23:41,119 him. Now I think it was forgive me, your listeners are very astute. 245 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:45,240 Forgive me if I have any these little details incorrect. But I believe 246 00:23:45,279 --> 00:23:52,400 it was at least five days that he was gone, and the ETS dropped 247 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:59,400 him off on a piece of barren highway in a little town close to where 248 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,799 he lived, and somehow he was able to call his brother on the phone. 249 00:24:04,279 --> 00:24:11,240 Who came. His brother and his girlfriend, I believe, came and 250 00:24:11,279 --> 00:24:17,480 picked him up. This happened to Travis before this time or was it his 251 00:24:17,599 --> 00:24:22,680 first experience? Well that's a very interesting question because he has always just talked 252 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,200 about this as if it was an isolated, wrong place, wrong time type 253 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:33,400 of incident, but he did. I did see him speak at a more 254 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:40,559 intimate setting than a convention, and he did say that he now believes that 255 00:24:40,599 --> 00:24:45,359 he has had previous experiences, but I don't believe that he has been to 256 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,079 a hypnotherapist. I offered my services, so if he ever does, I 257 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:53,000 hope he'll come to me. So so here's this dear man who came out 258 00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:57,680 probably well, what finally happened, and this is the crux of the injustice 259 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:03,720 of the whole thing. While he was gone for the five days, his 260 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:11,880 brother in law and his friends were all being investigated for murder, and he 261 00:25:11,319 --> 00:25:15,720 disappeared, Yes, And they were grilling these guys and giving him lie detector 262 00:25:15,799 --> 00:25:22,759 tests, and they got some big FBI guy from Texas to come in and 263 00:25:22,759 --> 00:25:29,839 and nobody would believe them, even though they all tested uh as if they 264 00:25:29,839 --> 00:25:33,200 were truthful. No one believed them. That a light beam of light came 265 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:40,920 down and sucked him up and dropped him down. So he show, Yeah, 266 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,480 they sucked him up and then dropped him down. But they sucked him 267 00:25:44,559 --> 00:25:47,799 up, and he was gone for five days, then dropped him. No, 268 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,000 well, they they dropped him off. I said, the actual incident. 269 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,960 You know, he was physically picked up by that beam, and his 270 00:25:56,079 --> 00:26:02,160 compatriots saw him be dropped on the ground. They split, so they didn't 271 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:06,680 know what happened. Now, as Travis says, he was taken backboard aboard 272 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:12,960 the craft. And now he believes that it was completely accidental, that he 273 00:26:14,079 --> 00:26:18,480 was hurt, and that the ets actually saved his life and healed him and 274 00:26:18,559 --> 00:26:25,759 regenerated him, and that although he only remembered parts and it was terrifying, 275 00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:32,160 he now has come to this probably much more likely point of view. Now. 276 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:37,480 Also, this was this was a craft that was being operated by both 277 00:26:37,519 --> 00:26:44,319 grays, a variety of grays and humanoids, people who looked just like us. 278 00:26:44,839 --> 00:26:47,519 In fact, he tried to speak English to them, but they're I 279 00:26:47,559 --> 00:26:53,119 think they're telepathic. I'm not sure they understanding. So what and was portrayed 280 00:26:53,240 --> 00:27:00,319 in the movie is a terrifying piece of fiction. They hired a separate director 281 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:07,400 and Italian directors and a photographer to come in and shoot the Abord craft sequence, 282 00:27:07,799 --> 00:27:12,839 which bears no relation to anything that Travis experienced or wrote in his book. 283 00:27:14,079 --> 00:27:18,640 So there, that's a fascinating story. It really truly is. When 284 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:23,480 we could talk about that all day. But so so that was back in 285 00:27:26,599 --> 00:27:30,480 that experience, that experience happened. Boy, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna 286 00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:37,599 guess nineteen seventy two. Okay, early seventies is my guests. Okay, 287 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:42,799 So now now we're in twenty twenty two. So how did you come from 288 00:27:42,839 --> 00:27:52,240 being in music and entertainment and things like that to being a therapist and somebody 289 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:59,559 working with people that have had encounters or believe they've had encounters with aliens. 290 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,319 Well, I think it was a direction that I always wanted to go in, 291 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:11,519 and I was already too. Oh yes, especially after after that in 292 00:28:11,559 --> 00:28:15,400 seineteen seventy two, I was shaking my booty on the road. It was 293 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,880 not you know. So let's see, I've been I've been working in as 294 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:25,960 a h certified hypnotherapist for probably about twenty years now, Okay, so that's 295 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,160 about how long ago we were talking. When I begin training. Now, 296 00:28:29,519 --> 00:28:34,400 I was working in the beginning of my hypnotherapy career at the Ontario Hypnosis Center, 297 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:40,119 which is a very highly regarded place in Yorkville. Now, about once 298 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:45,559 a month, uh, someone would call in and would say, you know, 299 00:28:45,599 --> 00:28:48,519 I have an unusual thing. I believe I may have had a et 300 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,119 encounter, I have missing time, I have a star in my body, 301 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:57,039 whatever it was. And so no one else, none of my colleagues wanted 302 00:28:57,079 --> 00:29:00,480 to touch that with a ten foot poll. The person would be crazy. 303 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:07,519 Yeah, And so I said bring it on. So it was just I 304 00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:12,279 did. I did. I said bring it on. And and so what 305 00:29:12,519 --> 00:29:18,640 started what started to happen, Robert is I just think, quite simply the 306 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:25,680 law of attraction. When I became able to help these people, and and 307 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:33,559 and you know, there is no real established methodology for working with experiencers. 308 00:29:33,599 --> 00:29:40,400 But what I have done is I have adapted past life regression techniques developed by 309 00:29:40,519 --> 00:29:45,559 doctor Georgina Cannon to work in the areas with experiencers. I didn't reinvent the 310 00:29:45,599 --> 00:29:51,200 wheel, but I have adapted what I already knew and was fastcile with. 311 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,440 So so every time someone came in with that type of issue, I took 312 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,799 them on. And you know, I I have to tell you the experiencer 313 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:12,799 phenomena. It crosses all socioeconomic, racial religious differences that we ethnicities. It 314 00:30:14,039 --> 00:30:18,279 is a global phenomena and has been going on since before our recorded history. 315 00:30:18,359 --> 00:30:23,240 Because I believe that we are the hybrids. So you know, all of 316 00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:30,039 the fear based behaviors that people are expressing about the et presence, and you 317 00:30:30,079 --> 00:30:36,240 know, God forbid, you know, the right wing wanting to militarize space 318 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:42,200 and being fearful of invasions. If these evolved beings, even if they're not 319 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:48,359 culturally more evolved than we are, they certainly have superior technology, and if 320 00:30:48,359 --> 00:30:52,759 they wanted to wipe us out, they could. The repeated message that I 321 00:30:52,880 --> 00:31:00,440 hear from every experiencer I have ever worked with is you must put on your 322 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,680 big boy pants. You must clean up your environment, you must heal mother 323 00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:08,599 Earth, you must be kind to each other, you must demilitarize, you 324 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:14,119 must you cure the sick. And we have technology that can help with all 325 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:18,640 of that all you want. Do they care? Because I think that they 326 00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:26,480 feel a genetic responsibility because because they created the high Bridge, well, I 327 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,440 don't know if created would maybe be the word. That's certainly, it's certainly 328 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:37,079 if you are and I am a follower of Zacharia Sitchen, And of course 329 00:31:37,359 --> 00:31:41,720 Sitchen's work is all about the Anunaki, and and we're talking about ancient Sumeria. 330 00:31:41,839 --> 00:31:49,920 You know, ground zero for civilization was most most probably created by the 331 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:56,960 Anunaki, and they were advanced geneticists, and so we have genetic relations with 332 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:04,839 I believe a number of star beings that bear a huge physical resemblance to us 333 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,720 from what I've been told. And again I'm not not making this is just 334 00:32:08,839 --> 00:32:12,480 what i've heard. So I'm offering it. Take it as you will, 335 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:20,920 Pleadians Arcturians learns all these people look so much like us that they could walk 336 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,759 amongst us, and I believe that they do. They have earth based, 337 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:34,039 I mean earthlike environments. But it seems that at least a portion of the 338 00:32:34,079 --> 00:32:40,319 beings who visit here who resemble us, are vibrating at a higher residency, 339 00:32:42,039 --> 00:32:45,920 so they are actually interdimensional if you want to think about it in that in 340 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:52,160 those terms. You know, everything is vibration, everything, and you know 341 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:57,279 when we when we increase or lower vibration, it's like a radio dial, 342 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,799 you know. So we're right now, we're in the third density. We're 343 00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:07,000 in the meat suit. We are still grappling with you know, feudalism and 344 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:13,119 tribal warfare. Really, we're still grappling with all this stuff. And so 345 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:19,519 I think that we are on the crest. We are on the crest of 346 00:33:19,599 --> 00:33:24,599 being accepted into And this may sound nutty, but I hear a boy a 347 00:33:24,599 --> 00:33:31,720 lot, and I believe that there is a galactic benevolent galactic Federation, not 348 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:39,920 unlike Jean Roddenberries vision. In fact, he was a very highly ranked military 349 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:45,559 officer and also was involved with the CIA and such. Who knows what he 350 00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:52,519 actually knew that in those programs Star Trek. A lot of the technology that 351 00:33:52,720 --> 00:34:00,039 we saw in those early shows in the sixties and our are what we're using 352 00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:07,440 now. Yes, I mean biobeds, measuring e MF fields, measuring, 353 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:14,440 you know, using a thing like a tricorder to identify different emanations. Uh, 354 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:19,320 you know, there's there's a whole lot robotic surgery. There's a whole 355 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,679 lot of stuff. In fact, I think there was a TV show it 356 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,039 was great. It was called How Star Trek Changed the World. But I 357 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:30,719 do have to wonder what Roddenberry knew. But that being said, everything that 358 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:37,400 I hear leads me to understand that there is a benevolent galactic Federation. Now, 359 00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:40,719 you know, I was I was talking with someone that's written several books 360 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:49,679 about about UFOs and and and he mentioned that there's a group of of aliens 361 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:55,519 that that are praying mantisis have you heard of that all the time? All 362 00:34:55,599 --> 00:35:02,360 the time they are, they are tall. It would be very disturbing for 363 00:35:04,079 --> 00:35:07,440 us to see them. Maybe, But the thing is, the maddest beings 364 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:15,960 are like pure love. They often and they have been described when I when 365 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:20,079 I've got people regressed to their childhood experiences. And by the way, I 366 00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:22,400 don't believe there is any such thing as someone who's had only one experience. 367 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:27,800 But anyway, when I regress people to their childhood experiences, they will often 368 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:32,000 talk about the brown doctors. Now they don't want to be seen. They 369 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:37,679 are the expert geneticists of the universe, and they often wear monk like a 370 00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:45,280 monk like cowls so they won't disturb people. But as beings they are pure 371 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:52,920 love and highly evolved. Wow, we have a lot of prejudice about you 372 00:35:52,960 --> 00:36:00,280 know, the fact that we come from a mammalian uh you know stream, 373 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:05,159 but on some planets, uh, the insectoid stream is the one. Now 374 00:36:05,199 --> 00:36:08,039 there's all. There's We still have shared DNA. We have shared DNA with 375 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:17,679 reptilians. We have DNA and are there like reptiles that are like aliens as 376 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:24,360 well? Absolutely, and many many kinds, and most of them eats, 377 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:30,440 no, most of them completely benevolent, these fearful things. Now, what 378 00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:35,480 I'm going to say about this, and it's I have not only a friend, 379 00:36:35,559 --> 00:36:42,480 but someone I've presented with the conference's Captain Randy Kramer. Now, Captain 380 00:36:42,599 --> 00:36:50,440 Kramer was a participant in the what we call the Secret Space Program, which 381 00:36:50,519 --> 00:36:55,639 is a which is an entity that has been around since the fifties. That's 382 00:36:55,679 --> 00:37:04,679 when the military industrial complex got mixed up with exotic technology, shall we say. 383 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,840 Anyway, Captain Kramer has told me an awful lot. He and some 384 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:16,639 of the other individuals who have experienced this have spoken openly about working in the 385 00:37:16,639 --> 00:37:22,679 Mars Defense Force and the Lunar Defense Force now on Mars apparently, and this 386 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:29,519 again is not just from Captain Kramer, but many experiencers. Mars apparently does 387 00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:35,199 have an atmosphere because it's been terraformed since the fifties, and it's possible when 388 00:37:35,199 --> 00:37:37,639 you go there to walk about. Now it's a little bit like and making 389 00:37:37,679 --> 00:37:42,559 an adjustment, like being at a high altitude, so some people take oxygen, 390 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:47,559 but it has an atmosphere. It was also at one time populated by 391 00:37:47,559 --> 00:37:57,960 an extremely ancient civilization where they're they're what's left of their architecture looks to be 392 00:37:58,159 --> 00:38:01,960 Egyptian made in the same kind of way, so that exists. And then 393 00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:12,719 also there are several groups apparently of reptilian beings that live underground on Mars, 394 00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:19,119 and we have treaties actually with like two of them, but there's like one 395 00:38:19,199 --> 00:38:22,920 of them that still likes to come out and fight. So we do have 396 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:30,239 a defensive situation there now, Randy Kramer kept where when they come out to 397 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,960 fight, who do they fight with? They're fighting our soldiers, our soldiers 398 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:40,440 who are stationed in the Mars defense. We have soldiers at Mars. Absolutely, 399 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,400 we do, when we have since the fifties. So when we say 400 00:38:44,519 --> 00:38:47,360 ours is this is this the world? Or is this the United States? 401 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:55,000 Is this Russia? Is this? Well? Captain Well Canada, Canada and 402 00:38:55,039 --> 00:38:59,320 the US have been in bed together on the whole Ye of O thing since 403 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:05,800 the beginning, So yes, absolutely the Canadians involved, lots of Canadians right 404 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:13,519 now today to this moment. So what what what I've had explained to me 405 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,280 is that in when I say our, I'm speaking of our our blue earth, 406 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:22,760 our water planet. Now Randy Kramer said that there is barely a country 407 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:28,079 on the face of the Earth that is not represented in what in the you 408 00:39:28,119 --> 00:39:31,519 know, in the in the space, in the in the Black Ops secret 409 00:39:31,559 --> 00:39:36,920 space program. Yeah, so this is and how did you find out out? 410 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:42,679 Well, this is kind of a this is amongst people who are kind 411 00:39:42,679 --> 00:39:47,440 of interest in this particular aspect. There is a lot of information out there 412 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:53,960 now a book that I would suggest that any of your wonderful listeners if you're 413 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:59,360 interested in this particular time, which I would call the advent of the of 414 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:06,199 this space program. There's a book called The Day After Roswell by The Day 415 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:15,559 After Roswell by Colonel of Philip Corso, And he was there after the Roswell 416 00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:19,960 crash. He witnessed the beginning, He was involved at the beginning of the 417 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,519 secret space program. He knows about the deal that we made with those Grays 418 00:40:24,599 --> 00:40:30,719 that crashed at Roswell. There was an exchange of technology, but there was 419 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:37,519 also a suppression of truth. Yeah, well apparently it was really it was 420 00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:45,360 the final decision of Harry Truman. And that's why this Harry, Yeah, 421 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:50,400 that's why this is some call sometimes called the Truman Agreement. But they Harry 422 00:40:50,440 --> 00:41:00,119 Truman and the Joint Chiefs of Staff felt that our global population was not ready 423 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:05,079 for the knowledge that we are not alone and the knowledge that we don't have 424 00:41:05,199 --> 00:41:09,079 superior technology in this universe. They just thought it was too much and that 425 00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:14,079 the religious people would freak out and the economy would collapse. I mean, 426 00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:21,000 so that original what we call the Truman Agreement that was made with the zay 427 00:41:21,079 --> 00:41:27,239 to reticulate Grays. They they were having a lot of genetic problems. They 428 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:32,880 were not able to the grays. This particular, this particular group of Grays 429 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,760 that was involved in the Roswell crash had survivors and that was how we really 430 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:44,599 made contact. But they had been visiting our planet because we are distantly related. 431 00:41:44,639 --> 00:41:47,719 They have some human DNA and they could no longer reproduce. So they 432 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,719 said, well, we're going to give you. How about this. You 433 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,880 know, we're not interested in any kind of war anything like that. We 434 00:41:54,920 --> 00:42:00,719 will give you technology that you can handle, and in its change, we 435 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:08,440 would like to uh harvest genetic material from a few of your people on this 436 00:42:08,559 --> 00:42:14,360 earth. Is that why there were abductions? Yeah, and the brutal Ones 437 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:19,360 and the brutal Ones by by the Grays where they're they're taking sperm and they're 438 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,480 taking over them. And then later people are showed they're hybrid children and they're 439 00:42:22,599 --> 00:42:29,440 part gray and part human and freaked people out. It did so much damage 440 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:35,400 and it was completely over the top from what we were told. So the 441 00:42:35,519 --> 00:42:42,960 Grays aren't necessarily our enemies. They're just not particularly sensitive to, yes, 442 00:42:43,079 --> 00:42:46,679 but they are. Again we must remember there are many, many, many 443 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:52,760 different types of Grays, and most of them are completely benevolent. But these 444 00:42:52,800 --> 00:43:04,280 guys, it's really but these these guys from Zayda Ritticuli, they it is 445 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:08,800 a it's a binary planet with there's Zata Particulari one and Zeta Particuli two, 446 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:15,239 and they have been involved in trade with all the civilizations for millennia. They're 447 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:22,400 old hands at space travel and they're neither really neither good nor bad, except 448 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:28,039 that they were. They were quite inept and often brutal in what they did, 449 00:43:28,159 --> 00:43:30,239 but they believed they had permission to do it. Now, also I 450 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:35,960 should say that there was an end to disagreement that they that they ratified, 451 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:40,880 that everybody ratified. It carried on into the Eisenhower years. But I believe 452 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,599 and I can pretty much put a finger on this because it's when I stopped 453 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:52,280 hearing about or people stopped coming to me with these brutal kind of genetic material 454 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:58,840 inductions. So I'm going to say that it probably ended sometime in the early 455 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:05,079 eighties. So when someone does come to me with repressed memories of one of 456 00:44:05,079 --> 00:44:10,239 these horrible events, it's never taken place last night. It's always twenty years 457 00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:15,559 ago, twenty five years ago like that. So that horrible kind of thing, 458 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:22,679 Uh, really, we're not really seeing that at this point. And 459 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:29,079 so the day after Roswell explains how this came about, and the technology that 460 00:44:29,159 --> 00:44:35,000 we received certainly explains the big leap that we had. We got integrated circuits, 461 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:44,920 we got fiber optics, we got Belcrow great for costume designers, we 462 00:44:45,039 --> 00:44:51,559 got let's see and and and more stuff about. We got invisibility and I'm 463 00:44:51,559 --> 00:44:58,639 not invisibility, cloaking and other kinds of things. So and then the shared 464 00:44:58,679 --> 00:45:07,079 technology they change for our DNA or other things that we have, yeah, 465 00:45:07,079 --> 00:45:15,400 our DNA to reboot their inability to reproduce for whatever reason, that happened, 466 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:21,599 and then it came to an end, so that gray has become more sensitive 467 00:45:21,679 --> 00:45:27,679 since since they've had some of our DNA or or are they still as harsh? 468 00:45:27,679 --> 00:45:31,159 Well, I think I don't think that they are. I don't think 469 00:45:31,199 --> 00:45:35,760 that they are to us, but not them right Well, I think what 470 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:40,039 I would say is they I think their experiments were probably quite successful, and 471 00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:45,800 I think that they did stimulate their reproduction. And I think that there are 472 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:52,960 a number of gray and human hybrids that are probably able to live on Earth, 473 00:45:53,039 --> 00:45:57,519 and the differences are so subtled that you wouldn't even notice it. So 474 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,960 we're even more connected with them genetically than we were before. But I don't 475 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:08,559 like to make contact with people. They stay in They will often stay in 476 00:46:08,679 --> 00:46:15,480 touch with the people who have helped them or see they look at it in 477 00:46:15,519 --> 00:46:20,239 a different in a different way, I guess, but they stay in touch 478 00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,920 with the people who have helped them, or they or the individuals that they 479 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:28,360 believe that are hybrid that are hybrids, you know, that are that are 480 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,440 part of them. And as I said, sometimes even today, one of 481 00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:37,239 the experiences that I work with, who's a lifelong experior experiencer, not that 482 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,840 long ago, he had a very physical experience where he went on a craft 483 00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:47,480 and he was shown his children. He was shown his children, and when 484 00:46:47,559 --> 00:46:54,679 they when they took them away, he just sobbed like a baby because in 485 00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:59,760 this life he's a person who does not have children for various reasons. And 486 00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:06,320 immediately he could see him and he immediately accepted that they were his children and 487 00:47:06,519 --> 00:47:08,559 just didn't even care about anything else and didn't want to let them go. 488 00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:14,639 So, but not all of the hybrids, apparently, as I understand, 489 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:19,960 are able to live on Earth. That didn't necessarily work for all of them, 490 00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:25,280 but they are able now to use our DNA with in whatever way they 491 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:30,239 are to reproduce, so that whole thing is over. So they kind of 492 00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:38,280 lived amongst us, and we don't know. It's entirely possible, I believe 493 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:44,880 so. And they just interact like like people, except they're you know, 494 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:50,159 they're highly telepathic. You know, telepathy is the language of the universe. 495 00:47:50,199 --> 00:47:54,199 Telepathy a psychic right, So yeah, absolutely, you know that. So 496 00:47:54,280 --> 00:48:02,199 telepathy and numbers and math are physics, if you will, Those are the 497 00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:08,679 intergalactic languages. So I think I've recently had an experience, but I don't 498 00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:14,920 want to talk about that right now. But I have no doubt because Robert, 499 00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:21,159 what what the ets are interested in my belief after doing this for twenty 500 00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:25,800 years. What they are interested in is working with individuals who have psychic ability. 501 00:48:27,679 --> 00:48:31,840 And they sometimes are following genetic lines, you know, they which which 502 00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:37,239 they get luck in my blood lines, no one in my bloodlines admits that 503 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:42,519 they have this awareness. Well, that's often the case where it skips generations. 504 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,280 You know that that's that's it's genetics. It's it's the roll of the 505 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:49,719 dice, right, and and for a man to be And this is not 506 00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,719 meant in any demeaning ways, just that there are there seems to be a 507 00:48:53,760 --> 00:49:00,880 greater proportion of female psychics than male. Now, I I am not sure 508 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:07,039 if it has to do simply with societal acceptance of a man who is psychic. 509 00:49:07,639 --> 00:49:12,280 It may be completely equal. I don't know, But in my figures 510 00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,280 and in my books I work with, it seems many more women than men. 511 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:22,079 But it may be well that that you do like in hypnotherapy or okay, 512 00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:27,360 and and those those you work with more women than men, and and 513 00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:35,400 you're you're you're seeing that their their psychics or intuitives, and okay, okay, 514 00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,119 I just want because I'm always asking, you know, when, when 515 00:49:37,199 --> 00:49:43,000 when they're when they're going through they're recounting their experiences to me. I'm always 516 00:49:43,039 --> 00:49:46,400 saying, are they asking are they speaking to in your mind? Or are 517 00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:52,480 their mouths moving? Are they using their gladness and esophageal stuff, and and 518 00:49:52,559 --> 00:49:55,679 let's say no, no, they're just they're all just talking. They're all 519 00:49:55,719 --> 00:50:00,320 just talking in my mind. And so that's the they need that. It's 520 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:05,199 so hard the other way for them to work with a bunch of different beings. 521 00:50:05,199 --> 00:50:07,880 See, there are a lot of collaborative programs going on. And and 522 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,400 think about it for a minute, Robert, if you were you know, 523 00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:16,880 if you were Jane Goodall, and you're in the middle of the jungle somewhere 524 00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:23,719 and you discover an unknown tribe of advanced primates, but only maybe five of 525 00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:30,800 them are are able to form words and speak, wouldn't you spend your time 526 00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:36,800 with the ones that could physically communicate and say words. I think it's a 527 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,519 little bit like that. And and also, you know, many many of 528 00:50:40,639 --> 00:50:46,159 us, and I suspect yourself, Robert, where we are we are here 529 00:50:46,199 --> 00:50:52,639 at this time in this place because this is the grand experiment, and we 530 00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:59,400 want to be here to bring a new era into being in fact, you 531 00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,360 know, I think we are, you know, Midwives of Disclosures the term 532 00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:07,440 I use. And that's the book after the next one. So how many 533 00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,119 books have you written, I've just reatten. Well, I've been a journalist 534 00:51:10,119 --> 00:51:15,239 for years and written lots of stuff, but I just have one out now 535 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:19,960 that is about upology. But but the next one is almost finished, and 536 00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:24,280 then Midwives of Disclosure I'm going to write in collaboration again with Wes Roberts, 537 00:51:24,639 --> 00:51:30,079 who was an experiencer who I had the great privilege of working with over a 538 00:51:30,199 --> 00:51:37,480 number of years. You know, you're you're saying I think you said you 539 00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:45,199 have more women clients than male clients around this area, or do you have 540 00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:53,239 more women female clients than male clients as the hypnotherapist, ordinary everyday kind of 541 00:51:54,519 --> 00:52:00,199 hypnotherapist, Like, I couldn't imagine anything that's ordinary or middle of the road 542 00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:08,480 about you. So, well, it's a clients. But well, I 543 00:52:08,519 --> 00:52:15,880 think probably in my mainstream, straight ahead work, it's right down the middle, 544 00:52:15,079 --> 00:52:20,320 okay, you know, I do I think, and and essentially I 545 00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,519 think men and women are saying their souls are not male or female. We're 546 00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:27,800 just souls and we come into these different bodies and we're subjected to these hormonal 547 00:52:28,159 --> 00:52:34,480 things that go on. But in the realm of metaphysical hypnosis, uh, 548 00:52:34,519 --> 00:52:42,800 and that includes past life progressions, there is a diffident predominance of female experiencers 549 00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,960 in my practice. Now, maybe another practitioner would say something different, but 550 00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:59,840 mine is maybe sixty five thirty four female or forty males, something like that. 551 00:53:00,159 --> 00:53:05,400 There is more I've I've had more women clients over my lifetime than male 552 00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:09,800 clients. Yes, I'm getting more men, but the men are coming in. 553 00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:14,199 But you know, in mainstream hypnosis, a lot of the problems that 554 00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:20,880 men are having are coping with you know, changes in our society and men 555 00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:24,360 not knowing you know, what to do or how to feel or uh it's 556 00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:30,360 or having lived with their parents too long, or you know, scared it 557 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:31,480 won't be able to buy a house. You know, there are a lot 558 00:53:31,519 --> 00:53:38,880 men are coming in with there with a lot of gender issue concerns, not 559 00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:45,760 their identity necessarily, but how do I how do I function in society? 560 00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:52,159 Now, there's been a huge transition in our lives. Well I'm a bit 561 00:53:52,159 --> 00:53:55,360 older than you, but but but in in our lives, the difference in 562 00:53:57,519 --> 00:54:01,639 the way my parents were were I was growing up. And the way mothers 563 00:54:01,679 --> 00:54:07,679 and fathers are today, oh my. The you know, women, women's 564 00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:15,280 position in the world is far more powerful than it has been in certainly in 565 00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:21,079 our recorded history. Oh, absolutely true. I agree with and and yes, 566 00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,079 right I'm on that side. I am too, and I and I 567 00:54:24,199 --> 00:54:28,880 kind of think almost you know, women a lot of time have always run 568 00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:32,559 the show, but from a manipulative point of view, which is no fun. 569 00:54:32,679 --> 00:54:36,760 But you know, I was born in nineteen fifty six. I mean 570 00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,400 it was it was leave it to Beaver. It was extremely traditional. I 571 00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:45,280 mean, yes, my dad was a chazz musician, but it was a 572 00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:47,199 it was a little bit like the Dick Van Dyke show. You know, 573 00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:52,000 he come home from and my mom would be wearing one of those you know 574 00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:57,719 dresses with this with the petticoat and you know, my and there you go. 575 00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:04,119 So so everything has changed dramatically and in that in that case or in 576 00:55:04,199 --> 00:55:12,639 that situation, profoundly for the positive. Absolutely, And it's only going until 577 00:55:13,079 --> 00:55:17,880 you know, Robert, I feel that until we balance the male and female 578 00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:25,159 energies on this planet, we are going to continue, uh to have unrest. 579 00:55:27,559 --> 00:55:30,159 You know, women have been suppressed for so long, and they're still 580 00:55:30,199 --> 00:55:34,519 so suppressed. A certain and one of the things that that happens for men 581 00:55:34,679 --> 00:55:42,559 or doesn't happen for men, is being taught how to live differently, how 582 00:55:42,559 --> 00:55:49,400 how what what the traditional ways of doing things are are are are changed, 583 00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:55,480 but we haven't had the opportunity to be taught or shown how things should be 584 00:55:55,719 --> 00:56:00,519 or need to be. Yeah, and what replaces it? I mean, 585 00:56:00,159 --> 00:56:04,559 you know, I'm embarrassed to tell you a few times, you know, 586 00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,519 I thought a man was going to open the door for me, and he 587 00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:09,559 didn't, and I just sort of pound into the door, you know. 588 00:56:09,639 --> 00:56:14,079 But you know I'm I'm old school and I'm an old fart, so you 589 00:56:14,119 --> 00:56:16,559 should open the door for an old lady anyway. Well, I've always opened 590 00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:22,639 the door. I've always done that. So you you see me hobbling along 591 00:56:22,119 --> 00:56:27,719 over there in the Corso Italia, be open the door and then buy me 592 00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:36,679 a nice giant glass of Kyanti and it'll be okay. So all right, 593 00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:49,119 that's really fascinating. So when people have experiences with UFOs, are they always 594 00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:54,880 trauma times? No? Okay, no, I got it. See the 595 00:56:54,920 --> 00:57:00,360 ones that aren't traumatized though, right, I see a mix a math shop. 596 00:57:00,519 --> 00:57:07,719 But you know what usually happens is trauma or perceive. Trauma can be 597 00:57:07,039 --> 00:57:15,119 just not remembering things correctly, especially in our little childhood perception. So it's 598 00:57:15,199 --> 00:57:21,159 not unusual for me to regress, you know, take the little shreds of 599 00:57:21,199 --> 00:57:24,400 the memory, the conscious memories they have, and go back to the childhood 600 00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:29,440 experience. And then I say, now you can see in the dark, 601 00:57:30,159 --> 00:57:34,519 you can see what the beings look like. And I help them to completely 602 00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:38,559 without fear, with the lights on, look at what's going on, and 603 00:57:38,599 --> 00:57:43,039 they can see that the beings expressed that they don't want to hurt them or 604 00:57:43,039 --> 00:57:50,639 whatever it's. It's so often what was perceived or thought to be a terrifying 605 00:57:50,719 --> 00:57:57,280 experience turns out to be a benign experience. And you know what we need 606 00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:07,119 to address with lifelong experience is how they balance this contact within the framework of 607 00:58:07,159 --> 00:58:10,840 having a productive life in the third density and getting the rest that they need 608 00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:16,840 because many, many experiencers, of not all of them, have big time 609 00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:22,840 sleep disorders, and I think it's in part due to the fact that some 610 00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:28,760 aspect of them may be afraid to fault sleep because so many occurrences have happened 611 00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:35,119 at night. But also from the mature experiencers that I work with, what 612 00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:44,599 I'm hearing is that at nighttime they buy locate astro project, if you will, 613 00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:52,000 and are actually the experiencer, the experiencer themselves, the mature experiencer themselves, 614 00:58:52,119 --> 00:58:54,559 like I'm going to say, an experiencer past forty, This is a 615 00:58:54,559 --> 00:59:00,760 common experience where they have apparently in their you know, etheroric life, they 616 00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:07,280 have they're working on some kind of project or with other beings of a wide 617 00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:15,159 variety, and rather than going through the more cumbersome or difficult process of being 618 00:59:15,599 --> 00:59:23,320 transported out of our dimension into some place else, experiencers, mature experiencers, 619 00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:28,280 seem to have the ability to effortlessly by locate, and I think maybe they've 620 00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:32,239 been taught that. So I've never heard you've used words I've never quite heard 621 00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:37,400 of before or never heard of by locate. What is bylocate? Well, 622 00:59:37,519 --> 00:59:44,159 two locations, but two at one two times, okay, two places at 623 00:59:44,159 --> 00:59:47,239 once. So what that would mean, what I mean by using that particular 624 00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:53,920 term is the experiencer's physical body doesn't go anywhere. It's lying there in the 625 00:59:53,960 --> 01:00:00,920 bed in a deep sleep and probably couldn't be woken up if if the partner 626 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,960 or whatever tried so they look to be in a very very deep sleep. 627 01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:09,480 But the physical body is there, but the consciousness much in the same way 628 01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:15,719 people do with remote viewing or with astral projection. But this is a this 629 01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:22,000 is a projection that when when the individual arrives like in spirit I guess if 630 01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:28,519 you will, and their etheric body on the craft, it seems very physical, 631 01:00:29,519 --> 01:00:35,840 uh to them, and and they are present human the yeah, the 632 01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:39,639 human to the human experience, and also to the beings that are perceiving them. 633 01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:44,679 Oh hi, how are you? You know? And and so this 634 01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:49,880 etheric body that we have, which is part of us, the the astral 635 01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:53,360 body, whatever you wish to call it, can adjust its vibration. I 636 01:00:53,400 --> 01:01:01,559 believe and function independently and in fact engage each with beings who are either in 637 01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:06,679 another dimension or in some distant galaxy. It doesn't matter where they are, 638 01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:12,400 because it's the speed of thought. We can travel at the speed of thought. 639 01:01:13,199 --> 01:01:17,400 So the kinds of things that happen early in experiencers life, like taking 640 01:01:19,159 --> 01:01:23,000 taking a board, being taken aboard craft and taught and learned how to do 641 01:01:23,039 --> 01:01:28,119 all these little things with your mind and being in classes. This is what 642 01:01:28,239 --> 01:01:35,199 the experiencers go through when they're children, and so it shifts in later life 643 01:01:35,559 --> 01:01:43,400 into a completely theoric experience, if you will, an encounter experience Robert can 644 01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:49,880 be physical or it can be spiritual. It's everybody gets them or just a 645 01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:57,840 few people. I think that being taught this technique is a big part of 646 01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:01,559 what happens when the young people, people that are going aboard craft and being 647 01:02:01,679 --> 01:02:07,199 trained are trained to do I've heard descriptions of a kind of a kind of 648 01:02:07,559 --> 01:02:12,519 a chair or kind of like a video game thing that helps you to learn 649 01:02:12,599 --> 01:02:16,840 to do it, to actually project, you know, actually allow that part 650 01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:22,000 of yourself to the consciousness. Is there a place that I can sign up 651 01:02:22,119 --> 01:02:27,079 or well or lots of people sign up? Now? Who I mean? 652 01:02:27,199 --> 01:02:30,679 And how do you know you haven't signed up already? And that you don't 653 01:02:30,679 --> 01:02:35,400 do this at night? Does it ever happen that you wake up completely exhausted 654 01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:42,320 as if you haven't slept well, that's that could be an indicator that something 655 01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:45,840 else is going on at night. I'd really like to know if it is. 656 01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:49,920 I'd really like to consciously know. You have to come over man and 657 01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,440 have a session. While we can do that, we can, we will 658 01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:59,360 will will work on that, because you're exactly the kind of you're You're exactly 659 01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:05,679 the kind of person that you know, I think would be of interest to 660 01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:10,039 UH, to ets that want to communicate, and and also your your you 661 01:03:10,039 --> 01:03:20,599 know, your psychic ability. I I you're saying things in conversation that while 662 01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:27,519 if I wouldn't be thinking about aliens or ets, I wouldn't have noticed. 663 01:03:28,239 --> 01:03:32,239 But you're saying things, and I'm thinking, oh, I've experienced that, 664 01:03:34,119 --> 01:03:39,599 I do this, this happens to me, and and until recently, I 665 01:03:39,639 --> 01:03:45,760 never would have been receptive or aware. Well, you're you're this is the 666 01:03:46,039 --> 01:03:50,599 this is the time when people wake up about that part of their life. 667 01:03:52,039 --> 01:03:57,760 It's it's this is you know, this is very common most people, most 668 01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:04,559 people Robert do come to me forty plus more commonly older than that. Okay, 669 01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:10,880 but but this is when you know, this is I guess this is 670 01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:15,639 when we are we are ready to understand what has been going on, We're 671 01:04:15,639 --> 01:04:20,840 ready to integrate it, and we're ready to consciously, you know, help 672 01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:25,800 the world one person at a time. I tell you, if we ever 673 01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:30,239 needed help, we need it now here you know, one of the things 674 01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:36,119 that I say is that I really don't understand politics. I don't understand finance. 675 01:04:36,519 --> 01:04:44,000 I'm not interested in the big picture. I am interested in helping the 676 01:04:44,039 --> 01:04:48,400 person in front of the minute. Yes, And actually that's that's how I 677 01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:57,400 think. As as a practitioner, I think I am helping one person at 678 01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:03,159 a time, so they're healing their benefit. That is what is of primary 679 01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:09,480 concern to me. And of course you know in Canada and rightly so, 680 01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:15,400 as a as a hypnotherapist, I am not allowed legally to work with the 681 01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:19,039 individuals that have been diagnosed with a mental health issue. And by that I 682 01:05:19,119 --> 01:05:28,559 mean something profound like bipolar issue or schizophrenia, any kind of dissociative disorder, 683 01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:33,639 borderline personality disorder, if there anything has been diagnosed. Once it's diagnosed, 684 01:05:34,119 --> 01:05:40,360 I can't do it. But sometimes people come to me before they've ever been 685 01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:44,119 diagnosed, or they've been diagnosed, and they're hiding it from me. So 686 01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:47,039 I have to make a And also I want to say, if anyone has 687 01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:51,320 struggled with mental mental illness, one thing does not preclude the other. You 688 01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:59,519 can be suffering a mental issue and be an experiencer. It's just that Unfortunately, 689 01:05:59,679 --> 01:06:01,920 I'm not the person that would be able to legally sort that out. 690 01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:11,199 So when someone comes my way that seems to display enough symptomatic evidence or the 691 01:06:11,199 --> 01:06:15,000 meds that they're taking, and I know what they're for, that's another thing. 692 01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:16,880 I used to be a psychiatric technician, so I know, you know, 693 01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:20,840 I know a lot about medicine. So anyway, there you go. 694 01:06:21,079 --> 01:06:27,360 So if I have the slightest doubt that that's the that that is the case. 695 01:06:27,639 --> 01:06:32,039 Here in Toronto, I have a number of colleagues who are psychologists and 696 01:06:32,199 --> 01:06:38,639 psychiatrists and psychotherapists who are allowed to go into those areas and they are open 697 01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:45,119 to the idea of ET contact. So I send someone on, I don't 698 01:06:45,199 --> 01:06:48,639 leave them hanging out to dry. I would never do anything like that. 699 01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:57,079 And just because they are experiencing schizophrenic symptoms, it doesn't mean that something else 700 01:06:57,159 --> 01:07:00,760 isn't going on, you know. So that's what I do about that. 701 01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:06,960 Do you do work online or I do? Oh yeah, so I absolutely 702 01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:15,599 do. Okay, So, after all the things that you've said or astonishing, 703 01:07:15,679 --> 01:07:23,360 and we barely scratch the surface, how do people find you if they 704 01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:29,320 need your service, want your service, or just want to learn from you. 705 01:07:29,679 --> 01:07:33,360 Oh just a question, you just have a question. I love for 706 01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:36,559 people to get in touch with me, even if you just have a question 707 01:07:36,679 --> 01:07:42,599 or an observation or whatever it is. So you can always reach me at 708 01:07:42,719 --> 01:07:47,920 Leslie l E. S l e. Y at LightWork Hypnosis dot com. 709 01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:53,239 And that's all one word, LightWork Hypnosis dot com. I am also on 710 01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:59,920 Facebook as both LightWork Hypnosis and Leslie Mitchell Clark. So you can always say 711 01:08:00,119 --> 01:08:04,440 me a Facebook message too, and I will I promise to get back to 712 01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:09,280 you. May take me a minute, but I always do so I'd love 713 01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:13,000 to hear. I'd love to hear from anyone out there who has a question 714 01:08:13,119 --> 01:08:17,359 or whatever. Early on in our I can't remember if it was just before 715 01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:21,239 we started, just after we started, we said, oh, well, 716 01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:28,359 well you you know, you suggested we could do another show on jazz musicians. 717 01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:32,720 And you know, while I love jazz and jazz musicians, maybe we 718 01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:38,439 can do two shows, one on another one. I quote, we even 719 01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:44,159 an extension of Today and then talk about jazz, and we'll put jazz on. 720 01:08:44,239 --> 01:08:46,359 We'll put Showbizz on the back burner. Give that book. That book 721 01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:49,359 is even finished yet, so we'll put that on the back burner. That'll 722 01:08:49,399 --> 01:08:54,600 be another thing. But but I would love to come and talk some more 723 01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:58,600 about I don't know, the secret space program and the kinds of encounters people 724 01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:02,399 have had and the many diverse beings that they have experienced and star Seeds. 725 01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:09,279 What a fascinating discussion I've had with you today. Grateful thanks. It's been 726 01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:15,000 such a delight speaking with you, and I really look forward to chatting with 727 01:09:15,039 --> 01:09:19,159 you again. Wow. What a fabulous show tonight. What a fabulous guest. 728 01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:26,119 I'd like to thank Leslie Mitchell Clark for sharing all this knowledge, disinformation 729 01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:31,119 and life experience with us here on my side of the Crystal ball. And 730 01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:36,039 this brings us to an end. But before I say goodbye, I have 731 01:09:36,159 --> 01:09:41,640 some requests. If you're watching us on YouTube, please like, comment, 732 01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:46,319 and subscribe to our channel. You can also find us on iHeart News Radio. 733 01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:53,920 You can also find us on Apple, Spotify, and pretty much anywhere 734 01:09:53,920 --> 01:10:00,720 else you find your podcast. You can also find me personally, Robert Lindsay 735 01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:06,560 Milne on my website www dot Robert Lindsay Milne dot com. You can find 736 01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:14,000 me on Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, and TikTok. And now, just 737 01:10:14,239 --> 01:10:17,960 before I said Goodbye. I'd like to share this with you. Do good, 738 01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:43,920 stay safe, and above all, just be kind. Good Night, everybody,