1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:05,799 Facula. I'll see you later. Yeah, Count Dracula. Mister Bob, 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:09,320 Hey, hello everyone, Yeah, what's out, Jim Bob, how's it 3 00:00:09,359 --> 00:00:15,400 going? Congrats? Congrats from a real person, not Jordan Peterson. Hey, 4 00:00:15,439 --> 00:00:19,039 I appreciate it, man, and it's great to see you're You're killing 5 00:00:19,039 --> 00:00:22,839 it, dude. I'm trying. I'm under the microscope. I have two 6 00:00:22,839 --> 00:00:26,679 strikes, so it's it's got two strikes. Yeah. I can't like keep 7 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,679 up my streams because it because I don't know what YouTube is gonna, you 8 00:00:30,679 --> 00:00:33,960 know, do to me. So I have to wait September twenty nine. 9 00:00:34,039 --> 00:00:37,240 Those fall and then I'll be saving stuff again. Yeah, well I don't 10 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,240 The thing that stinks is that it's not even so much. Oh, I 11 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,200 don't know what YouTube is going to do to me, because you don't violate 12 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,399 any of the terms of service. Yeah, you don't say anything crazy or 13 00:00:46,439 --> 00:00:50,240 anything stupid and like hateful or anything. It's a certain community of people that 14 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:57,479 just want to silence you, which is funny and ironic because well, well, 15 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,840 the funny and ironic thing is that those people in that community, they'll 16 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:06,280 tut how their person is banned from YouTube, and then if they get you 17 00:01:06,359 --> 00:01:08,799 banned from YouTube. I mean, shouldn't they trust you now right? Yeah, 18 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,959 shouldn't. Yeah, it doesn't. Don't don't expect any consistency there the 19 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,120 philosophy, if you call it that. Yeah, but yeah, thank you. 20 00:01:17,159 --> 00:01:19,480 It's been it's been going good. And making it into more of like 21 00:01:19,519 --> 00:01:23,680 a show is cool. You know, we can't all just talk theology, 22 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,519 you know, I'm not equipped to do it, but certainly having you guys 23 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:33,760 on or posh on. But what people do want some more like lighter stuff, 24 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:37,760 so I'm kind of going into that into that direction. Yeah. Well, 25 00:01:37,799 --> 00:01:42,079 your production quality in your thumbnails, dude, all the stuff is thumbnails 26 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:49,120 nails. Yeah, yeah, I think you should call her by her title. 27 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,599 Oh yeah Meg yeah, meganger or Meg no no, no, my 28 00:01:52,719 --> 00:01:59,280 producer, oh my producer. Yeah yeah, my producer does a great job. 29 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,920 Like they you know, they're very hard, but they expect a lot. 30 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,759 Yeah yeah. Yeah. You were talking before, David about how your 31 00:02:08,759 --> 00:02:13,479 other channels, how you could just do some new age stuff and blow up 32 00:02:13,599 --> 00:02:17,039 or you know, and it's I really related to that, how sometimes you 33 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:21,560 get frustrated with the slow growth and you put too much meaning on the on 34 00:02:21,599 --> 00:02:23,520 the growth of things, and then you realize, well, no, you're 35 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:29,639 you're accumulating really good following. So you know, as long as your engagements 36 00:02:29,719 --> 00:02:31,879 up, you know, if you hit two hundred k and you only have 37 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:36,360 like, you know, thirty people in your chat and there's no engagement, 38 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,439 you know, it doesn't it doesn't matter anyway. So it's cool that a 39 00:02:39,479 --> 00:02:43,879 lot of these like yourself and a lot of these surrounding channels are actually their 40 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:49,599 engagement is actually up regardless of their numbers. You know, on the set, 41 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,280 well you, you and Andrew do a great job. That's something that 42 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,719 uh, just talking with people who follow my stuff, and this is probably 43 00:02:55,759 --> 00:03:00,840 true for Father Deacon or even die or to some degree, although Dyer does 44 00:03:00,879 --> 00:03:06,000 the Impersia personations and stuff while he's live, which gives an incentive for somebody 45 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,400 to be there live. And I asked somebody. I was talking with somebody 46 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,560 privately and they said, oh yeah, man, I love your stuff. 47 00:03:10,599 --> 00:03:14,360 I think this was in a one on one and they're like, I always 48 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:15,919 watched the replays, I never watch it live. And I was like, 49 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:20,000 oh, why is that? Because I don't need to. I can just 50 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,599 you know, I love to watch the whole thing from beginning Ton and just 51 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,719 listen to you talk. I was like, dang, I need to do 52 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:28,960 something to get people to want to be there live because I get so many 53 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,240 views after it's posted. Where you and Andrew kill it with the live engagement, 54 00:03:32,479 --> 00:03:36,120 Well, you could go door to door like the three Mormons that just 55 00:03:36,159 --> 00:03:39,840 came to my car. Did you get their number? Now? I said, 56 00:03:39,919 --> 00:03:43,439 listen, I'm live on the internet right now, okay, And i 57 00:03:43,439 --> 00:03:46,199 gotta tell you about your cult that you're in right now, so you need 58 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:50,240 to leave later, I'm gonna be hunting a wild boar from a helicopter. 59 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,800 I've got to they are, you know. And he looked me in my 60 00:03:52,879 --> 00:03:57,520 eyes, my alpha power, and he decided to turn away my alpha power. 61 00:03:58,159 --> 00:04:01,960 I turn on my alpha power. I am good and I'm Alex Jones. 62 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,840 And I'm not saying that you should. I'm not saying that you should 63 00:04:04,879 --> 00:04:09,159 fly right over your ex wives house and your helicopter with a r I'm not 64 00:04:09,199 --> 00:04:17,199 saying that. A Jay Dyer story that So in what was it July? 65 00:04:17,439 --> 00:04:21,079 The first week of July, we were back in California for this event, 66 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:31,199 and my parents were up here in Montana at the time, and so we 67 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:41,839 had my parents and so he actually hosted Alex Jones at the previous house that 68 00:04:41,879 --> 00:04:44,639 I lived in when I was in California was my grandmother's house. And it 69 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,720 was hilarious because we didn't have any internet at the house that we were staying 70 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:50,720 at my parents because there had been gone in Montana for a while, and 71 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:56,519 so it was so funny to see like Jay hosts the Fourth Hour with like 72 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:03,759 all this like old Granny China. Anyways, it was the next street over, 73 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:10,120 so Jamie and Jane and I were walking and guess who we see walking 74 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,439 through the streets The Jaws. And I was like, oh, here you 75 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,000 go, Jay, here's our chance to I'm like, what are the odds 76 00:05:16,199 --> 00:05:19,439 that like jade Ire and myself are like in the same place. And the 77 00:05:19,519 --> 00:05:24,839 Jaws stopped by, and He's like, I don't want to talk to and 78 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,600 I'm like, I'm just messing with you. Then I started. When we 79 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,000 got back to the house, they actually came up and I was getting my 80 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,639 surfboard. I was gonna go surf while Jame Jamie rested at the house, 81 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,279 and they came up and I'm They're like, can we And I'm like no, 82 00:05:39,399 --> 00:05:42,319 I already already know everything. You're gonna say, can we leave you 83 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,680 a pamphlet? I'm like no, And I was so tempted to be like, 84 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,560 you know, but there is somebody at the house. He's really you 85 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:53,759 should have Yeah, I know, Jay would have been upset with me. 86 00:05:54,199 --> 00:05:58,439 He would have, but that would have been a healthless story on later than 87 00:05:58,519 --> 00:06:00,920 he can fill it up, like, yeah, I can't believe he did 88 00:06:00,959 --> 00:06:02,360 that. Yeah, that would have been great. It would have been a 89 00:06:02,399 --> 00:06:08,759 great story. But a laugh. I failed once again. You know, 90 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:14,879 before before we even heard they always send those jws to our house. And 91 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,879 they stopped sending them because Andrew converted three of them away from it with a 92 00:06:18,959 --> 00:06:26,360 shot. Mean surprisingly, No, just send them down over coffee like Andy 93 00:06:26,399 --> 00:06:29,959 does and put him to the question and just get them to question all of 94 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,000 the things they were telling him. And like three, you know, they 95 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:38,920 send them in pairs. Three different sets of pairs of young men that had 96 00:06:38,959 --> 00:06:47,120 come to the house ended up leaving the church. Stop sending them, huh, 97 00:06:47,199 --> 00:06:50,800 They'll send higher people up so the next time they can answer the questions. 98 00:06:51,199 --> 00:06:56,000 And once they realize that, like they can't convert you, you get 99 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,519 on the black list. It's like the no fly list. Oh no, 100 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,079 we don't go through that house. People go in, they don't go back. 101 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,360 We don't go to that house. There they went, they ended up 102 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:09,720 converting to at least it was probably Protestant Church because that's what where we were 103 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,759 living at the time and everything. But at least they got out of that 104 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:17,079 and at least they went to normal twice. The third time they come as 105 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:21,600 a carpet cleaning service and they're all in yellow, and then while they're there 106 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:27,920 then they start pushing it. Patrick, I was gonna say, you were 107 00:07:27,959 --> 00:07:30,480 talking about, you know, engagement and stuff and thinking about you know, 108 00:07:30,519 --> 00:07:35,040 people saying that they watch your streams later. I wonder if, because with 109 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:42,360 a live stream, can you, uh someone tell Codal can you turn off 110 00:07:42,399 --> 00:07:47,759 the Facebook and YouTube blog in uh what? I don't know about the face. 111 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:55,079 I think he's talking about the stream yard like permissions. How do I 112 00:07:55,199 --> 00:07:59,040 change that? But I was gonna say, Patrick, I don't know if 113 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,639 on YouTube when you do a live can you trim the end of it afterwards 114 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:05,800 or is it just all or nothing of what stays on YouTube after you do 115 00:08:05,839 --> 00:08:09,600 a live stream, you can trim it well if you want to. You 116 00:08:09,639 --> 00:08:13,000 don't have to trim it. But like, I'm not telling you two or 117 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,519 anything, but maybe what you could do is you do in your normal talk 118 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,240 and then maybe truncate it by like thirty minutes or something and be like, 119 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,560 okay, like live Q and A people can come on, you can ask 120 00:08:20,639 --> 00:08:24,279 questions direct about this stuff, and that maybe could be a simple avenue at 121 00:08:24,319 --> 00:08:28,160 the end of a talk to I don't know, get some more live engagement. 122 00:08:28,199 --> 00:08:31,120 I don't know what your chat thinks about it. Yeah, I need 123 00:08:31,159 --> 00:08:33,559 to come up with some more. That's why I was doing the open forums. 124 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,960 And actually Jim Bob and Andrew the ones that gave me that idea. 125 00:08:37,639 --> 00:08:43,200 It's I'm the one that gave you that idea. I gave you that idea, 126 00:08:43,279 --> 00:08:46,120 I said, pass it on to him. I told I'm responsible for 127 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:50,519 Jim Bob's career. Guys can stream to their own and in children and the 128 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:56,440 happiness thank you. Un click that, they say, yeah, I'll click 129 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,200 authentic. I don't need thanks, all right, Ja, I think you're 130 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:03,559 good, bro. Uh. I wasn't familiar with that, but I just 131 00:09:03,639 --> 00:09:07,799 unclicked the guests must authenticate, so I think we should be good. I 132 00:09:07,799 --> 00:09:11,240 didn't really, I didn't even realize I was a setting. I didn't know. 133 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:15,159 I didn't know where we were gonna have that guy. Come on. 134 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,720 I thought, this is supposed to be like a celebratory, like happy kind 135 00:09:18,759 --> 00:09:22,120 of thing. It was supposed to be. But you're trying to produce a 136 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:26,799 new show for DPH here his streams. Yeah, exactly, exactly. No, 137 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:28,519 I was just giving it. I don't know he was asking. He 138 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:33,519 brought it up anyway. So I think if you dye your hair and and 139 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:37,600 you just start listening to how I tell you to dress, I think things 140 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,200 would get a lot better. Well, you told me just to wear nipple 141 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:43,919 tassels in my next stream. That was That wasn't for a That wasn't for 142 00:09:43,919 --> 00:09:46,840 a public stream. Oh that's Governor Quama that does that. That was for 143 00:09:46,879 --> 00:09:50,639 you. That was for my That was for my membership talk. But whatever, 144 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,600 dude, that's fine. So I hope you stay because this is an 145 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:58,919 intervention for Jay's meanness online. You know it's funny is that you remember remember 146 00:10:00,039 --> 00:10:07,399 ben CABE's like crazy Jake, You remember Ben Cabes ben CABE's schizophrenic like conspiracy 147 00:10:07,399 --> 00:10:13,080 Shart. That was just connecting like you father and anis me Jay Rachel and 148 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:18,480 like and like father Turbot and people that were friends with Why don't you just 149 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:24,639 screenshot like any stream like doing that? Look, I figured it out. 150 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:31,720 They're all associated. Dude. That thing was wild. You sent me that 151 00:10:31,039 --> 00:10:37,000 Webb he has I mean weird. That was wild, Dude. That was 152 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:41,200 intense, How intricate that was. I was just defended that they thought that 153 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:46,200 Patrick and Jay were the bitter misogynists because that's my grift. I am the 154 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:50,240 bitter misogynists around here. Okay, Like, let's get that straight. Yep, 155 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,679 yep, Jay, what up? Bro? Hey, I've been listening 156 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:58,399 to all the gossip, so so you know, you know why we're here, 157 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:03,919 Jake talking about you all the backbiting. I'm pretty sure the Bible says 158 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,639 something about backbiting. But Jay, we're here because we care about you, 159 00:11:07,039 --> 00:11:11,279 okay, and we all have stuff to say. Your actions are affecting people 160 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,200 beyond yourself, They're affecting us, so you know we wanted to get you. 161 00:11:13,919 --> 00:11:18,039 Are there Zoom Interventions. I have a program that mutes all the haggards 162 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:26,440 automatically. So it's time this interventions going exactly. I thought you need that. 163 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:31,279 It should it should be a downloadable freeware than everybody can install pretty easily. 164 00:11:33,039 --> 00:11:37,600 Excellent, excellent. Andrew will definitely be interested. Yeah, no doubt. 165 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:43,080 How's Florida, man, it's great, it's humid. We we are 166 00:11:43,159 --> 00:11:46,679 learning the hard way that when you order things from Ikea, it's not as 167 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:52,159 easy as you might think. So basically I thought we'd save money by getting 168 00:11:52,159 --> 00:11:56,159 Ikea fornenture and basically it takes days to put it all together. So yeah, 169 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,519 it doesn't come with a person to put it together for you. That's 170 00:11:58,519 --> 00:12:01,159 what I was like, a little like a little lover bot that comes that 171 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:05,480 comes with it, that you know, kind of hangs around and keeps you 172 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:07,919 company afterwards. But I guess not. That's why you drive by home depot 173 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,799 at like eight am and you can get the Ikea people there to help you 174 00:12:11,799 --> 00:12:13,159 put it together. Would be awesome. I feel like came with a little 175 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:18,879 Danish like her isid Dan sweet, a little tiny Danish man. Yeah, 176 00:12:18,919 --> 00:12:26,759 it comes with a person got to take them. I thought by a Danish 177 00:12:26,799 --> 00:12:33,879 it meant the pastry, but it meant a literal little Danish man. No, 178 00:12:33,039 --> 00:12:37,200 No, I'm accidentally a human trafficker. Again. This always keeps happening. 179 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:41,600 Just slip up. I make one mistake. I was just trying to 180 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:48,840 order a cabinet from Wayfair. Well these nikes were three grand I thought that 181 00:12:48,879 --> 00:12:58,879 was normal. Oh gosh, so well, congratulations on twenty k man, 182 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:01,960 Oh thank you man. I was gonna say, I was gonna tell you 183 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,840 things because part and parcel of the Channel was just all the help that you've 184 00:13:05,879 --> 00:13:09,240 given over there. Now four years. I can't believe I started the channel 185 00:13:09,279 --> 00:13:15,440 four years ago, but I really appreciate all your help and Jim Bob and 186 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,279 Andrew, you guys have helped a lot and grow in the channel. Jay 187 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:22,399 can't even remember when he when he hit twenty k. It's just a memory. 188 00:13:22,919 --> 00:13:26,559 No, Actually, it wasn't that long ago, because Jim Bob, 189 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,799 you were on my fifty k, and because I remember making the fumbnail. 190 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,399 The thumbnail had a crazy Nicholas Cage face and it was me and you and 191 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:39,159 the boiler room crew, and that was fifty That wasn't too long ago. 192 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:43,399 That was probably twenty eighteen. So pretty nice. Awesome. Well that's a 193 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,080 short yeah, wow, that's a big jump. Well, I don't know 194 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,320 four or five years, so, I mean, I thought I was talking 195 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:52,399 about austerity and tiny living in a band, I'd have a million subscribers because 196 00:13:54,480 --> 00:14:00,159 that is how I make eggs on a tiny stove. The twenty it was 197 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:05,639 the Revenge of the Nerd stream with Larry Nichols. Look at that bla he's 198 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:09,919 got like archives, he has the Yeah, he has the dire archives. 199 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:15,679 My mom told me I'm all autistic, and I said that, what are 200 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,519 you talking about it? She said, I don't know nothing. He turned 201 00:14:18,519 --> 00:14:26,919 away. Are you telling me this when I'm twenty seven? Yeah? Jay 202 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:31,039 had to sell all his book Jay doesn't have any books left from the background. 203 00:14:31,039 --> 00:14:33,720 He had to sell them. This move, well that was all green 204 00:14:33,759 --> 00:14:35,279 screen anyway. We all know that, right. Yeah. I was just 205 00:14:35,279 --> 00:14:39,960 gonna say those were never real, dude. Now there's now one small bookshelf 206 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:43,960 over there in the corner for the we're down here. So I did order 207 00:14:45,039 --> 00:14:50,919 at Flamenco. There'd be a Neon Flamenco back here. So yeah, I 208 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,039 had to come up with something. And gaming we're talking about, why don't 209 00:14:54,039 --> 00:14:56,600 you just put like a put something Florida themed? And I was like, 210 00:14:56,639 --> 00:14:58,480 oh, I guess, I guess it'll work. I thought, to accelerate 211 00:14:58,519 --> 00:15:05,519 your growth, you're going to do the TikTok NPC stuff. I did it 212 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:11,919 very well. Did you remember you've been doing it regularly as like a job? 213 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:16,919 Okay, yeah, have you seen the guys that I told Jay one 214 00:15:18,039 --> 00:15:22,159 of the dude there's a there's a buff dude that does it and they like 215 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:26,919 flexes his button muscles and stuff. It's what does he show his face? 216 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:31,120 Ever? Yeah? Okay, awesome, what's his handle? I went, 217 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:39,919 interesting, that's a liable? Okay, interesting? Yeah, is gonna make 218 00:15:41,039 --> 00:15:43,879 Vegan coming on the c And he's like, if you want to go see 219 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:52,360 my only fans and flexes horrible Canadian boys, He's yeah, and he's always 220 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,840 depressed. He's always like super dirt. He's like, if you want to 221 00:15:54,840 --> 00:16:02,360 see my glorious Bonnie, you can go to my only fans. Vegan Gaines 222 00:16:02,399 --> 00:16:04,360 cracks me up, and I thought it was kind of funny. A couple 223 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:08,559 of debates back on the Crucible, he was debating someone and I called in 224 00:16:08,639 --> 00:16:11,559 and I and I called in like this and I go, Vegan Gaines, 225 00:16:11,639 --> 00:16:15,720 I just really want to thank you really brought the energy tonight. Everyone was 226 00:16:15,799 --> 00:16:19,240 up on their feet just like cheering, and I just talked talked like him, 227 00:16:19,279 --> 00:16:22,759 like just really really monitored and kind of depressed. And at first he 228 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,720 was all ears. He was he was very interested at first. It was 229 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:33,759 pretty funny. He tuned right into the monotone depression. Saw that saw that 230 00:16:33,799 --> 00:16:37,919 be twelve. You know what I'm saying, keeping him going what I seem 231 00:16:37,039 --> 00:16:41,000 Dude, I feel like he probably lactates with all the soy he eats. 232 00:16:41,919 --> 00:16:48,960 That's a different channel. That's that's the only that's not for YouTube. That's 233 00:16:49,039 --> 00:16:52,840 the only kind of quiet over there. Are you? Are you regretting being 234 00:16:52,879 --> 00:16:56,919 on the stream? What's going on? He's not even listening. He's got 235 00:16:56,919 --> 00:17:06,960 a muted He's like, these these children are weturnishing your public image. Jay, 236 00:17:07,319 --> 00:17:14,319 there's there's a huge lag. Was looking for butt flex and beta on 237 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:26,319 Jay. I told him the story about me getting that close to sending his 238 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:30,519 witnesses to you at the house and and uh, Orange County. Oh when 239 00:17:30,519 --> 00:17:37,559 we were staying at your parents, I've been there. Wild things happened at 240 00:17:37,559 --> 00:17:47,640 that house. Yeah, that's right, kidding everybody, but yeah, he 241 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:51,039 said, it was fourth of July. We went up on the roof and 242 00:17:51,319 --> 00:17:53,880 then I guess the next day, Father Deacon said that Joe's witnesses came by 243 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:59,160 and he was going to send them over there to talk to us. That's 244 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:03,519 I don't or what happened, and you didn't do it. Yeah, I 245 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,240 was just we were walking. We were walking back from when you hosted Alex 246 00:18:07,319 --> 00:18:12,119 Jones from my aunt uncles the street over and I saw them walking around. 247 00:18:12,319 --> 00:18:18,000 That's right, that's right. And then remember I went to go surf and 248 00:18:21,039 --> 00:18:23,720 they were They came up when I was putting the board on the car, 249 00:18:25,519 --> 00:18:27,279 and I was about ready to say, like, I'm not interested, but 250 00:18:27,279 --> 00:18:32,039 there's somebody was telling me inside that they were like really interested, really interested 251 00:18:32,039 --> 00:18:37,240 in here's his phone number, watching, there's his address, send him a 252 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:42,160 lot of watch Ower literature every week. Yeah, yeah, well I did. 253 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,319 Probably Beacon should be lying that he knows how to surf or anything. 254 00:18:45,799 --> 00:18:52,319 Uh me, I got me and doctor Mo he has a video of this 255 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:56,519 man trying to find that that wasn't stir I know good boarding, kimboarding. 256 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:07,839 I had mastered every sport life. I'm like, yeah, I can do 257 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:12,599 this. And notice the clue should have been like they're all fifteen to eighteen 258 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:18,319 years old, well, everybody. The clue should have been like you never 259 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:26,000 see a skin boarder. So yeah, so we were what was it Memorial 260 00:19:26,079 --> 00:19:30,240 Day or something like that Memorial Day last year? It was the bit it 261 00:19:30,279 --> 00:19:34,000 was when Michael got back. Guys in that church and your god children. 262 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:40,119 Yeah, that's right. It was a beautiful day. And what it's crazy 263 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:45,000 is I had already pulled my pulled my back surfing because you think like you 264 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:49,160 stopped doing something for like a year and a half and you think you can 265 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:55,279 just get back to where you're at, and it's like my muscles were bad. 266 00:19:55,640 --> 00:20:00,720 But anyways, we were out and we were having fun and having drinks 267 00:20:00,759 --> 00:20:03,839 and beautiful on the beach. It was really great and I was just thinking 268 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,559 about that. I like, I've never tried skimboarding and we're watching all these 269 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,039 kids and like I said, the clue should have been you never see a 270 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:15,599 skimboarder over eighteen years old. No, they're all like super young kids. 271 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:19,119 And I'm like, oh, yeah, I've got this. I'm like it's 272 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,359 pretty easy. So I went up to these kids, I'm like, you 273 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:23,200 know, I can serve, I can skis you know where I can do 274 00:20:23,279 --> 00:20:27,480 all this stuff? Like how hard is this going to be? And you 275 00:20:27,559 --> 00:20:30,759 have the time, you have to throw it right at the right time when 276 00:20:30,759 --> 00:20:37,599 the waves are coming up, and then jump on it and stay on and 277 00:20:37,799 --> 00:20:42,480 I just I ate it. And I was trying not to fall and you 278 00:20:42,519 --> 00:20:48,079 can see in this video that I'm trying to pull it together, and I 279 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:53,079 eventually fallen. I landed right and I broke my wrist. He was messed 280 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:57,440 up for like a really long time. I got the video right here. 281 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:02,119 Actually, yeah, watch it. I have it on slow most it's like 282 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:07,640 twenty five skins. So it was so great that you put on slow moo. 283 00:21:07,759 --> 00:21:10,279 Yeah, it made it. It made it a little more action packed. 284 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:11,839 And the kids when he came up to the kids and uh, I 285 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:17,440 don't know, you guys will we were probably four or five mimosas and four 286 00:21:17,799 --> 00:21:26,559 whiskey him. At that point. It was tequila mimosas. Bottom there was 287 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:34,519 we were going. We were with all the wines bottomless. Sounds like they 288 00:21:34,519 --> 00:21:37,839 had just finished drinking their mimosas while they finished chapter three of Eat, Pray, 289 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:41,519 Love. So naturally they went to the beach and then we went to 290 00:21:41,599 --> 00:21:47,079 skin board. Obviously went the skin board with the kids. Yeah, okay, 291 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:52,039 here we go. I'm not gonna play the audio, but here is 292 00:21:52,319 --> 00:21:56,119 uh whose hair is it? Here's the slow mo. So he's running. 293 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,759 He's like, oh yeah, I can definitely do this. I can definite 294 00:22:00,039 --> 00:22:03,759 for that. Over guy knows what's happening. Oh the kid, kid loved 295 00:22:03,799 --> 00:22:08,200 it. The kid knew instantly. Look. Oh no, so you can 296 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:18,079 see me trying to recover. I'm like, oh man yaikes. He walks 297 00:22:18,079 --> 00:22:22,440 back. Yeah, so right after they you see the kid island. He 298 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:23,839 walks back and hands the skin board back. He's like, oh yeah, 299 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,960 yeah, I think I can get it. And he turns them to me 300 00:22:26,279 --> 00:22:34,799 and Michael, I think I broke my wrist. That should be your membership 301 00:22:36,319 --> 00:22:41,799 videos. Yeah, yo, he'll membership alert video. He walks back over 302 00:22:41,839 --> 00:22:45,839 to them. He looks at Patrick. He goes, did the kids think 303 00:22:45,839 --> 00:22:52,960 I looked cool? Yeah? He's like, okay cool that er, what's 304 00:22:53,039 --> 00:22:56,279 up fellow kids? And he see he takes the skin board. Hey can 305 00:22:56,319 --> 00:23:00,359 I try that? Well? It's like Arrest of development. Remember that scene 306 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,880 where there's a guy that the dad always has that dude dude stage like an 307 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,720 accident in his hand comes off and he's like, and that's why you don't 308 00:23:07,799 --> 00:23:14,720 skim board after mimosis, right, David Patrick, What do you think your 309 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:21,559 your favorite or most successful video that you've done now looking back, Well, 310 00:23:21,599 --> 00:23:27,359 the one with most views is Jay destroying Reformed Protestant Theology, which actually that's 311 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,839 one of my favorites. The basis for that stream is really interesting too. 312 00:23:33,559 --> 00:23:36,000 This was a while ago. You can see what year was. I think 313 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:40,759 it was twenty twenty or twenty twenty one. Number three? Did it finally 314 00:23:40,839 --> 00:23:48,000 top emj because it did? And I was talking to this girl just like 315 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,079 it was actually Jim Bob you did. It was the girl that you talked 316 00:23:51,079 --> 00:23:52,680 to you like, hey, you should talk to David Patrick Harry about like 317 00:23:52,759 --> 00:23:56,359 romantically, all right, do you remember this like a couple of years ago? 318 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,720 So I talked to with her on the phone like one, and she 319 00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:03,920 was cool, she was very nice, but she was all about reform theology 320 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:08,400 and she went to was it Rick Rick Wilson's church in Moscow, Idaho? 321 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:15,359 And and I text Jay something about something she mentioned something or a book about 322 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,240 theology I wasn't familiar with. So I text Jay and He's like, oh 323 00:24:18,319 --> 00:24:21,960 yeah, oh yeah, something about that. You know that stuff's retarded. 324 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,839 I've debated that a thousand times, Like you want to do a stream on 325 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,119 it. He's like, yeah, tomorrow, He's like two o'clock. I'll 326 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:33,359 be there, all right, and he just annihilates Protestantism for like three hours. 327 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,759 Yeah. Oh, you know, everybody thinks that I'm Doug Wilson's daughter 328 00:24:37,839 --> 00:24:44,319 now because I think, who, I guess she wrote a book about like 329 00:24:44,599 --> 00:24:48,440 patriarchy or feminism or something too. I don't know if she did, but 330 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,079 and she they're reformed. I'm like former reformed. So it's very weird at 331 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:57,079 time, Like I love your dad's work, and I'm like crucible Rachel Wilson 332 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:07,480 versus Rachel Wilson. Let's be happen. Yeah, let's do it. Wilson, 333 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:12,640 your most popular videos Patrick are with Jay with Jay and then I'm number 334 00:25:12,759 --> 00:25:17,640 three. You guys, that's crazy, dang, but I don't get but 335 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,160 I don't have tons of views. I don't have a single video or fifty 336 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:26,039 thousand. I look, you're looking at it. I'm number that stack. 337 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,039 No, there, I think you have some that are up there. Where's 338 00:25:33,079 --> 00:25:37,640 that reform video? Because when I when I dropped the popular, go to 339 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,880 live, hit live, and then most popular. If you go to his 340 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,240 live and then hit popular. Yeah, you're that one's forty two K. 341 00:25:44,839 --> 00:25:47,799 Yeah, it's it's two and a half hours long. Did people call into 342 00:25:47,839 --> 00:25:53,079 that one? No? No, I just prompted the topic and Jay just 343 00:25:53,160 --> 00:26:00,720 went yeah. But then I sent it to that ship that one and that 344 00:26:00,839 --> 00:26:07,599 was the end. Yeah, yeah, that was hilarious. But I gotta 345 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:12,160 I gotta do some TikTok NPC stuff for whatever you guys do to get some 346 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,759 of these views, because I get this. I have some subs. I 347 00:26:15,759 --> 00:26:19,039 mean, we're celebrating twenty K, but I mean Jim Bob kills me, 348 00:26:19,319 --> 00:26:23,039 Andrew kills me. On the live viewers, Jay dominates. I mean, 349 00:26:23,559 --> 00:26:27,759 Jay, if you go live, dude, my channel is defunct. Like 350 00:26:27,799 --> 00:26:30,279 I can't. I you went, I did a stream? Was that? 351 00:26:30,319 --> 00:26:36,200 The last one was with the guy on Psychedelics wrote a book, Lewis, 352 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,200 and had it, had it scheduled. I was ready to go in like 353 00:26:38,279 --> 00:26:42,480 an hour before it goes live. You scheduled to stream. You had seven 354 00:26:42,599 --> 00:26:45,640 hundred live. I had seventy, and I was like you son of a 355 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:52,039 bite. A lot of times I forget that I have a thing scheduled and 356 00:26:52,039 --> 00:26:53,440 the person's like, hey, we're ready to go, and I'm like oh 357 00:26:53,519 --> 00:26:56,400 crap, and then I have to hop on and do it. So it's 358 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,279 like, you know, I'm not trying. I'm not trying to like sniper 359 00:26:59,319 --> 00:27:03,319 streams or anything. Have you considered blackmailing him and telling him not the screen 360 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,759 at the same time, Jay, last time we were hanging out in uh 361 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:11,119 in June, Jay was telling me about his secret of how he grew his 362 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,720 channel and stuff, and basically it comes down to this entity called Ball that 363 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,039 that Jay was telling me about. And maybe Jay could talk more about this 364 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:23,880 and Hower B A A L and they kept bringing up mammon. Interesting, 365 00:27:25,079 --> 00:27:26,759 actually worried about this. And when I was in Laurel Canyon, you know, 366 00:27:26,759 --> 00:27:30,200 I used to drive through there every day. Stuff. We want to 367 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:34,640 talk on this, Jay or just gonna not gonna help? Is Chase talking? 368 00:27:34,759 --> 00:27:41,920 I said, that program's running, so I don't hear anything. Well, 369 00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:45,920 David Patrick, your your stuff. For the most part, it's very 370 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:52,400 informative and concise, and it's almost like people they want to get all the 371 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,839 information and and all understand it. So you're actually delivering almost like a like 372 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:02,480 a class in a way. And so in a it wouldn't be conducive too 373 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,319 too much live interaction even though you would want that, But the question is 374 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,799 would you really want that? Would you be would it add to it if 375 00:28:10,799 --> 00:28:12,839 you had to be taken away and interact with the chat? I feel like 376 00:28:14,279 --> 00:28:19,839 I feel like designing a specific stream that's all about interaction will bring in live 377 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:27,640 interaction, but your value isn't necessarily compatible with some sort of like wild you 378 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:32,400 know, chat. They're there to listen and that's why a lot of people 379 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,559 watch your stuff, including myself if I can't catch you. It's all about 380 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,039 catching up like an like a volume of things that you're catching up on. 381 00:28:40,119 --> 00:28:45,880 It's almost like reading a book. And so maybe designating a specific stream where 382 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,559 it's all interaction with with the audience and having people on or whatever. But 383 00:28:51,119 --> 00:28:53,200 yeah, that's kind of a strategy for this next year or so. I 384 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:59,480 want to do more of the open forums like you you recommended, and more 385 00:28:59,759 --> 00:29:02,319 the the ones that get the most engagement are, like if I do a 386 00:29:02,359 --> 00:29:06,440 TikTok cringe review stream where I just go on TikTok, put in a title 387 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:11,759 like new Age Gurus and just go and like watch, those get the most 388 00:29:11,799 --> 00:29:15,640 engagement. I'll spend two days preparing research for something and then Jay goes live 389 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,720 an hour before and I'm like that son of a bitch. See, I 390 00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:23,240 think what I'm noticing the problem here in a lot of aspects in life. 391 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,839 I mean, especially me today noticing, you know, my car is having 392 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,720 trouble, you know, like trying to save up money and things like that. 393 00:29:29,839 --> 00:29:33,799 And then everything you're bringing up the common threads always JA being the issue 394 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:40,599 that's true, you remove the wrong guy just saying from the stream, I 395 00:29:41,359 --> 00:29:45,200 know, I hope it's coming back. La, we want you, bro. 396 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,000 I don't you know. YouTube's weird because there's not It's hard to figure 397 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,680 out exactly how the system works. Nobody can ever really decipher it, and 398 00:29:53,720 --> 00:30:00,599 they always change it. So one thing I think that is possible. Some 399 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,640 of the videos that I've done that have gotten a lot of views, irrespective 400 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,160 of like live streams, they usually top out at like ten or twenty thousand 401 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,839 views. I don't get many that go beyond that. But the algorithm, 402 00:30:11,839 --> 00:30:15,359 for whatever reason, favored the three videos that I did like top ten reasons 403 00:30:15,359 --> 00:30:18,240 I'm not Protestant, top ten reasons I'm not going to Catholic, top ten 404 00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:22,920 I'm not atheist. The algorithm has really promoted those to where they're like seventy 405 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:29,079 seventy five thousand, and they keep being promoted and I never get that on 406 00:30:29,119 --> 00:30:33,599 a live stream or anything like that. So what all of the common alley 407 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,839 with those is that they're all ten eighty and they're all forty minutes long. 408 00:30:37,119 --> 00:30:42,519 So I think the shorter amount of time I try to pack a bunch in 409 00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:48,519 For whatever reason, the algorithm like that. I'm not saying it doesn't like 410 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,920 long form. I just think that it kind of tops out because if you 411 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,160 look at you know, how long people will watch your streams, Like when 412 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,720 I look at the stats, it's like the maximum, like most people are 413 00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:03,720 there like twenty minutes and they're out right same mind's usually right now. I 414 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,720 think that's pretty much probably for everybody. So like I've been uploading my fourth 415 00:31:07,759 --> 00:31:12,440 hour of Valdimort and those get about the same as the live streams. They 416 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:17,599 gettingwhere from ten to twenty. So it's it's like it seems to be the 417 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:22,920 sweet spot is like the forty minutes for a lot of views, or maybe 418 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:27,160 even twenty minutes for a lot of views. Yeah, I have I have 419 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:33,119 a clip that has two hundred and forty two thousand views, on Andrew's Crucible 420 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,359 Limited channel. It's a thirty minute clip from a that debate I did with 421 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:42,599 Nina If you guys have ever seen that, and it's just me like asking 422 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,960 her if she could like go out in an ice storm and put the power 423 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,519 lines back up. It's that clip and that one for whatever reason, it 424 00:31:51,559 --> 00:31:55,359 just triggered the algorithm and it went nuts. And I think it's what Jay 425 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,759 saying. It's like that right in that time frame. It's got certain buzzwords, 426 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:05,039 words or whatever. Long is it like thirty minutes thirty minute clip from 427 00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:09,279 like a too word of it. It's Rachel Wilson schools feminist on why women 428 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:14,000 can't do men's jobs. The other thing, too, is that on my 429 00:32:14,119 --> 00:32:17,599 channel since I've been demontized in twenty eighteen, there's no advantage for me other 430 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:22,640 than to get views by doing the short form content. So for me, 431 00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:25,440 I might as well do a live stream because that's the only women I have 432 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:30,000 any super chats, right, there's no ad revenue for anything else. You 433 00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:34,720 know why they did that? Do you remember? It just doesn't make sense 434 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,400 to me demonetize you, like, how did that? Yeah? I know 435 00:32:39,079 --> 00:32:45,000 it was an old boiler room where I said t R A N N y 436 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:50,440 oh, and it popped. It popped up in twenty eighteen, and my 437 00:32:50,559 --> 00:32:55,279 channel has been demonetized ever since. Wow, Okay, that makes sense. 438 00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:59,920 Why you spell the words? I need to be more careful about that. 439 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:05,880 No, it's not just Jay's autism. Where he actually I'm just remember trying 440 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,400 to remember how to spell. Yeah, he's working, he's working on that 441 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:14,519 in my head. I'm gonna head out here. But congrats Patrick. You 442 00:33:14,519 --> 00:33:17,079 know your videos have helped a lot of people. They helped you know, 443 00:33:17,119 --> 00:33:21,400 my godson, My god son loves him. He's been impacted by your videos. 444 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,240 I know some bunch of Catechumans at my church. One of my friends 445 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:29,440 at catechuman at my church. He's coming from a very nastic hippie background. 446 00:33:30,079 --> 00:33:31,960 He devours your work. It helped him a lot. He's a Catechuman now. 447 00:33:32,039 --> 00:33:35,559 He was an inquirer for like six months. Your work was very helpful 448 00:33:35,599 --> 00:33:38,839 for him. You know, I'm really blessed to blessed to know you as 449 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:43,240 a friend brother in Christ. And you know, continue going and I hope 450 00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:49,799 people continue supporting you and continue watching you know, Jay, Yeah, whatever, 451 00:33:49,839 --> 00:33:53,400 everybody else good, good to see you guys. Look at those crazy 452 00:33:53,440 --> 00:34:01,400 guys right now, that's from the seven copies today. They're not actually that 453 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:06,279 crazy, But I just I just like the eyes. You looked almost like 454 00:34:06,359 --> 00:34:13,320 Arnold Schwarzenegger in What's That Marks, What's the What's the Mars? Yeah, 455 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:19,400 total recall where his eyes pop out. All right, Well, god bless 456 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,280 guys, have a good one. I chase see you next month. Yea. 457 00:34:23,039 --> 00:34:25,880 Well, Jay, I had a question in regards to like the difference 458 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:31,880 between sort of lecturing, because I feel like you similarly talk about topics intricately 459 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:36,760 for long periods of time and Jim Bob's too, but both you guys can 460 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,039 do like a personations, you kind of can keep it light while you're doing 461 00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:44,199 it. Was that never starts rapping just yeah, exactly, he just starts 462 00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:49,400 freestyling. Was that a conscious I mean, was there a conscious curation on 463 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,840 how you get engagement during live streams or how you go about structuring a live 464 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:58,360 stream? No? No, no, I just always like when we when 465 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,599 I was in high school, we did a lot of uh. I was 466 00:35:00,679 --> 00:35:07,119 in on the drama team, and we always really favored improv, so we 467 00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:08,960 we did a lot of improv stuff. So that's always kind of been what 468 00:35:09,039 --> 00:35:14,960 I've been into my forte and live streams just work out great for me because 469 00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:17,480 I can just I do minimal planning. Like we you know, we watch 470 00:35:17,519 --> 00:35:21,400 a film or something. I have a lot of notes, but half the 471 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:22,840 time we don't even pay attention to notes. We just kind of riff on 472 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,320 it, which is you know, to me, that's that's more fun. 473 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,119 But I mean when it comes to the more serious lectures, I mean, 474 00:35:29,199 --> 00:35:32,400 yeah, there's there's stuff like I've got right here, like when I'm analyzing 475 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,440 all these Peterson talks. I mean I've got like fifteen pages of notes from 476 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:42,599 Peterson CGI scream again. Yeah, So I mean it just kind of depends 477 00:35:42,639 --> 00:35:45,039 on what I'm talking about. But like, if it's Peterson's an analysis stuff, 478 00:35:45,039 --> 00:35:47,119 I want to I want to go a little bit deeper critiquing it. 479 00:35:47,679 --> 00:35:51,760 Then I've got a lot of notes and it's fairly structured. But you know, 480 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,519 the movie live streams they're not that structured. But Jay, aren't you 481 00:35:54,559 --> 00:35:58,360 at the level you can? You might? I know a lot of us 482 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,199 have been pretty aggressive with mister Peterson, But wouldn't you say you're at the 483 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,920 level where you can you can have him mom? Would you would you have 484 00:36:05,039 --> 00:36:08,599 him? Mom? What you would he do it? Think he would do 485 00:36:08,599 --> 00:36:13,280 it? I don't think any I think when anybody like affiliated with Daily Wire, 486 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,039 my my guess is that they're told not to be in the domain of 487 00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:22,079 anyone conspiracy related. Okay, so my guess would be if you're associated with 488 00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:27,960 Boltimore, then your conspiracy interesting, that would be my guest. But I 489 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,800 haven't really like actively sought to have Jordan Peterson on an interview or anything. 490 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:37,079 I wonder if what that threshold is, because DPH, you're definitely you've had 491 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:42,920 adjacent to him on pretty close to him on. I mean, that's interesting 492 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,320 is that Jonathan Pigot is in that arena, but he's not quite Daily Wire, 493 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,679 but he's in. He's like in the soup, and you know, 494 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,960 he's fine going out. So I guess I guess the control happen. You 495 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:59,000 know, well, I think you know, Peterson's at another level of you 496 00:36:59,039 --> 00:37:02,960 know, he's got a pretty fat contract with Daily Wire. I don't know 497 00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:08,400 that Jonathan has one. I don't know, but so I would imagine the 498 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:14,239 concerns are a lot more stringent on who you're associated with. I'm just guessing 499 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,039 yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, what made you decide to 500 00:37:17,079 --> 00:37:22,480 do a deep dive into Peterson because you kind of already done. I mean, 501 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:27,239 he was just popping back up on everybody's radar recently because of a lot 502 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,519 of the Red Pill stuff. People, you know, Rollo was critiquing Peterson, 503 00:37:31,679 --> 00:37:36,280 and so I thought, well, you know, I've never actually watched 504 00:37:36,679 --> 00:37:39,960 his lectures. I never watched the Bible stuff, I never watched maps of 505 00:37:40,039 --> 00:37:45,320 meaning, I never watched the psychology personality, and so I thought, you 506 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:50,519 know, he's not going away anytime soon, so I might as well be, 507 00:37:51,559 --> 00:37:54,360 you know, familiarized with the course one at least one or two courses. 508 00:37:54,559 --> 00:38:00,159 So it was just something I chose to kind of work through. And 509 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,760 actually a lot of what I was reading in different books was also kind of 510 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:07,480 tying into some of the stuff that he was covering, like Carl Young and 511 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:13,320 whatnot. So yeah, it's I've been watching your your critiques and stuff and 512 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,480 knowing you at least, you know, back in the day when we first 513 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:21,119 met, you were you were pretty brutal. But I'm watching you. I'm 514 00:38:21,199 --> 00:38:24,519 learning, uh, to be less brutal like you can be. You could 515 00:38:24,559 --> 00:38:28,440 be sharp, but you don't have to, Like, you know, I'm 516 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,360 kind of a dick when I'm critiquing someone, and then I just got mad. 517 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,480 I think that Jim Bob, like, you're really good at critiquing and 518 00:38:40,519 --> 00:38:45,079 doing impressions and being funny and and my the way I've always understood impressions and 519 00:38:45,079 --> 00:38:49,800 make a fun of people in critique, it's like it's in it's not coming 520 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,320 from a malicious place. It's part of like, you know, like if 521 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:57,079 somebody did a critique of me and they were personating me, and you know, 522 00:38:57,199 --> 00:38:59,480 Christian Mario did a video where he was making fun of me, and 523 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:00,760 I thought it was really funny, right, It doesn't. It's not. 524 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:05,840 It doesn't seem to. But but most people nowadays, especially like the younger 525 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,639 people like zoomers, they think that, oh, if he's impersonating somebody, 526 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:14,079 he hates them. Yeah. They interpret everything is hate and like why do 527 00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:15,440 you hate him? And it's like, I don't hate the guy, just 528 00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:19,480 number one, I just disagree, And if I do an impression, it 529 00:39:19,519 --> 00:39:22,880 doesn't mean I hate the person. It's a really weird everybody's like super sensitive, 530 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:28,519 you know what I mean, yea all the time, all the time. 531 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,559 Why do you hate yourself? Why do you hate all women? Why 532 00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:36,599 do you hate? Yeah? I get this, you hate impersonating means you 533 00:39:36,599 --> 00:39:39,519 hate. And it's like, even if you sit there and explain, well, 534 00:39:39,519 --> 00:39:42,880 I actually I agree with a lot of these points. Yeah, but 535 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,599 you still hate them, you know what I mean. The other thing is 536 00:39:45,639 --> 00:39:47,679 that if you criticize somebody, the only reason, the only motive you could 537 00:39:47,679 --> 00:39:51,360 have for criticizing, is that you're jealous. That's another annoying thing. It's 538 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,679 like, oh, you're critiquing doctor Peterson. Somebody's jealous, right, So 539 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,639 why can I mean, I can appreciate the things that I agree with, 540 00:40:00,039 --> 00:40:04,360 I can't I critique these other classical liberal ideas that disagree with Hey, so 541 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:09,400 I have a question speaking about the Zoomers because I find them fascinating. There's 542 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:15,000 a lot of good virtues about them too. And but one of the things 543 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:22,039 I try to use in class when teaching philosophy to be humor and comedy. 544 00:40:22,679 --> 00:40:27,960 And it's in part just kind of an experiment. I'm trying to figure out 545 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,199 their psyche and what they find humorists and how to teach in a more effective 546 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:39,480 way. And they're strange on humor. It's really really weird the things that 547 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:45,760 they think are funny versus not. And then also I just get shocked, 548 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:51,199 especially because I'm a I'm a gen xer, and as a gen xer, 549 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,280 whether we liked it or not, we knew every generation's movies and music, 550 00:40:55,400 --> 00:41:02,360 right, yes, and yep. I was making a reference the other day 551 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:08,960 and these were some you know, even older maybe even going into uh millennial, 552 00:41:10,039 --> 00:41:16,039 and I referenced, uh Julia Roberts movie Sleeping with the Enemy, never 553 00:41:16,079 --> 00:41:19,320 heard of it, and I was like, how is that even possible? 554 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,159 And aren't all of us the same age? Except for Patrick. I don't 555 00:41:24,199 --> 00:41:28,920 know, doctor Mike, what your ages, but I think I'm a month. 556 00:41:29,559 --> 00:41:32,519 Yeah, all of us, All the rest of us, I think 557 00:41:32,519 --> 00:41:37,960 are born within like the same year ish I was born in nineteen eighty right 558 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:45,679 here, nineteen eighty yep. I mean I can speak to this about the 559 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:52,840 zamers. I can speak because I deal with them every day. And they 560 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:59,360 told about your viral clip too, by the way, Yeah, we'll get 561 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,639 to that. Well, I'm keeping it separate, but it's it kind of 562 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:07,039 speaks to this, which is that somebody took a video of me at the 563 00:42:07,159 --> 00:42:10,039 end of class, like I play music, and somebody asked me to play 564 00:42:10,159 --> 00:42:15,559 some music. So I played this rapper and it's like a three second clip. 565 00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:17,480 You can barely see me in it, but you know, it went 566 00:42:17,559 --> 00:42:22,039 viral like meg, you know, for for here, mega viral, And 567 00:42:22,679 --> 00:42:25,519 and I got recognized in real life yesterday out in town by you know, 568 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,639 some twenty year old. He was like, ain't you that guy? And 569 00:42:29,679 --> 00:42:31,039 I was like, yes, it's me, and it was like you famous, 570 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:35,039 and it's because somebody tagged, you know, somebody then they tagged the 571 00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:38,519 rapper. But like with the with the humor and with the references thing, 572 00:42:38,599 --> 00:42:43,400 it's like you gotta count on the fact that they haven't seen the film. 573 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,639 They don't watch movies. And what's funny is that like when we were young, 574 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,280 you know, older people would say like, you gotta you gotta stop 575 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,880 watching TV, right, it's gonna rotch your brain. And people now, 576 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,960 especially boomers, will say that to them and they're like, what what TV. 577 00:42:55,079 --> 00:42:59,039 They don't watch television at all. They watch anything. It's a it's 578 00:42:59,079 --> 00:43:02,000 on a phone screen. And humor has to be like very quick, like 579 00:43:02,039 --> 00:43:07,119 if it's not funny in three seconds, then they have no idea what it 580 00:43:07,159 --> 00:43:10,599 is, and they don't get the references because you know, they have access 581 00:43:10,639 --> 00:43:15,760 to everything at any time instantly, so it takes out the searching for that. 582 00:43:16,559 --> 00:43:20,639 That's what I thought too. And the Internet's tail, so I knew 583 00:43:20,639 --> 00:43:24,320 it was connected to the internet because when we grew up, you know, 584 00:43:25,079 --> 00:43:30,840 you had like later you had cable TV, but like everything was, you 585 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:35,000 didn't have the options to choose, and they couldn't hone in that. You 586 00:43:35,079 --> 00:43:39,440 had the radio, right and it just played all this stuff. So to 587 00:43:39,559 --> 00:43:45,960 have this kind of choice, so you were exposed to all these different materials, 588 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,320 whether you liked it or not, at these different genres and different music. 589 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,079 And now so not only can you choose what you want, they're actually 590 00:43:54,239 --> 00:44:01,000 directing and honing in on their market. And so you're right, it's it's 591 00:44:01,079 --> 00:44:07,039 almost like it becomes like specialized. It's so specialized that it like it turns 592 00:44:07,039 --> 00:44:10,000 into these little hubs and if you don't get the reference of a hub just 593 00:44:10,159 --> 00:44:14,320 adjacent to you, it's like it's it's over. And then add what what 594 00:44:14,599 --> 00:44:19,559 uh base let's just said about the you have what thirty seconds to win someone 595 00:44:19,599 --> 00:44:23,039 over with with laughter. I also wonder if the more there's a relationship between 596 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:30,519 the more utilitarian a society gets, the less useful. They'll even see comedy 597 00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:35,880 like maybe they just don't value it as much because it's so passive and constant 598 00:44:36,159 --> 00:44:38,400 and except for propaganda, I mean, look, well yeah, yeah, 599 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,920 it's just it's which isn't funny, and that's why it doesn't work very well. 600 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,400 Yeah, I mean think about tyrannical, top down communist regimes. I 601 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:52,000 mean, how many comedy shows do you know from those regimes? How many? 602 00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:54,199 How many funny movies have we had in the last twenty years, like 603 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:58,920 really, like I can't a good comedy like maybe super Bad, Like you 604 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:00,519 know, we asked sand there, we had Eddie Murphy, we had like 605 00:45:00,559 --> 00:45:05,360 and just go back. It's comed He's been part of American culture along time. 606 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,199 In these last ten fifteen years, it all wokes. People are scared 607 00:45:08,199 --> 00:45:14,159 to be funny, Like there's a new stand up like the older stuff. 608 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,599 My kids now are starting to like the stuff that Andrew and I watched growing 609 00:45:17,639 --> 00:45:22,079 up. And it's so weird because my oldest is twenty two, my youngest 610 00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:27,280 is eleven, and the difference between the two, like just in that you 611 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:31,159 know what eleven years is insane? Like what what the oldest one thinks is 612 00:45:31,199 --> 00:45:35,679 funny versus what the youngest one thinks is funny, and what they're all into. 613 00:45:36,039 --> 00:45:40,239 It's it's weird having like this span of children within this time frame because 614 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:45,320 I can see how much things have changed just in this decade, right, 615 00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:51,079 just based on what they're into and what they like. And Yeah, one 616 00:45:51,079 --> 00:45:54,199 of the things I noticed going to Europe just real quick, the zoomers. 617 00:45:54,679 --> 00:45:59,800 You could see cultural differences when you went to Germany versus Greece, Firs America 618 00:46:00,159 --> 00:46:04,840 with the older generation. But one of the things I noticed that anybody that 619 00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,159 would to me that appeared to be zoomers had the same type of like eighty 620 00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:13,199 style gene, the same air Force ones or the retro new balances. It 621 00:46:13,199 --> 00:46:16,239 didn't matter where you were. It's like the social media is have created a 622 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:21,519 global culture, and I think that most people just haven't realized that people that 623 00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:27,000 age are participating in something that is unifying different language groups and they're buying the 624 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,559 exact same stuff. Kids are always going to have their their own language, 625 00:46:30,599 --> 00:46:34,360 you know, their que unique way of saying things. But it used to 626 00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,280 be local. It was like local, and then it was maybe your state 627 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,280 like California people would talk differently from you know, on the East Coast, 628 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:44,159 and then like things like MTV and stuff, it kind of started to you 629 00:46:44,159 --> 00:46:47,400 know, unify that. But you're right now it's completely global and in a 630 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:51,480 way, a lot of the stuff it's you know, it isn't their fault 631 00:46:51,519 --> 00:46:53,480 if they don't know any difference that they don't know any better, right, 632 00:46:53,599 --> 00:46:58,119 I mean music, If if somebody didn't make a song within the last six 633 00:46:58,159 --> 00:47:00,119 months, they fell off, it's over. But they don't they don't they 634 00:47:00,119 --> 00:47:04,440 don't know any difference they you know, and they do have there there aren't 635 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,480 good quality a lot of good qualities to to like younger you know, younger 636 00:47:07,519 --> 00:47:10,559 people. And one of those that especially older people don't know is that like 637 00:47:12,119 --> 00:47:15,480 when the carunka stuff happened, then there was all the lockdowns and everybody had 638 00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:19,199 you know, they had to stay at home and all that. Kids came 639 00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:23,280 to classes at work, so they didn't go to school because they weren't allowed 640 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,960 to go to school, but they went to work and they would be on 641 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,840 a zoom call like stacking you know, stocking shelves that wherever they worked, 642 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:34,199 or you know, listening while they're at you know, McDonald's. But they're 643 00:47:34,199 --> 00:47:37,199 still in class and they still try. So I see that as you know, 644 00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,679 they do the best they can and try and you know, get along. 645 00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:43,800 And they don't really complain about stuff. When they complain, they can 646 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,400 complain a lot, but most of them don't really spend time complaining, which 647 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,440 I think is you know, it's pretty good. The other thing too, 648 00:47:50,519 --> 00:47:57,000 that's a virtue about them. First of all, uh, there's hope when 649 00:47:57,039 --> 00:48:00,719 you do expose them to stuff that they haven't been they're actually open to it, 650 00:48:02,639 --> 00:48:08,679 which is nice. So they're not completely you know against you know, 651 00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:13,880 being exposed to other stuff. They just had the way society is and the 652 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:15,840 way that we live today that they just haven't been exposed to it. But 653 00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:21,880 the other thing it's really nice about them too. They've been able to see 654 00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:28,480 the kind of failures of the propaganda machine and stuff like that, and even 655 00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:32,559 failures of other generations, and so in some sense, you know, in 656 00:48:32,559 --> 00:48:38,000 one sense, they can be you know, we all have our areas that 657 00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:44,719 were gullible in but they're uniquely able to see and cut through a lot of 658 00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:50,039 the bs, especially with like the Kronka and like that, that you really 659 00:48:50,039 --> 00:48:54,119 don't see in the other generations, maybe a little bit in gen X, 660 00:48:55,880 --> 00:49:00,719 And I think that gen X and gen Z are a good herring together. 661 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:05,880 I've noticed that too, that it's like we get them. So there's something 662 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:10,280 that happened in our generation that's going on that allows us to be able to 663 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:15,559 hear the gen Z and relate to them and understand and vice versa, right, 664 00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:21,320 which I think is a great thing that And like I said, Wimers 665 00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,559 and millennial they just they don't understand and kind of relate to gen Z at 666 00:49:24,599 --> 00:49:31,880 all. That's interesting, now, X would that be characterized by like MTV 667 00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:38,880 culture, what characterizes the eighties regards like cultural standards eighties nineties? Was like 668 00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:45,159 what would characterize that generation like that would potentially connect them with the Zoomers. 669 00:49:45,199 --> 00:49:47,519 I was thinking of, like a break from traditional media or something like that. 670 00:49:47,639 --> 00:49:52,280 Like what I feel like it was for me, Like because I'm gen 671 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:57,199 X and my kids are gen Z. It's like I was in the whole 672 00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:02,039 grunge punk scene that was around late eighties, early nineties, all that kind 673 00:50:02,039 --> 00:50:07,679 of stuff, and we were like very anti establishment, didn't have much trust 674 00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:13,039 for authority or media. And my kids have grown up in this era of 675 00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:19,559 like you know, the corunka stuff and the lockdowns, and they don't you 676 00:50:19,559 --> 00:50:23,440 know, with the how do I say this on YouTube? The process by 677 00:50:23,519 --> 00:50:28,840 which our leaders are chosen? Do you know what I mean? Like that 678 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,719 everybody is kind of they don't buy it at all. They're just like, 679 00:50:32,679 --> 00:50:36,400 you know, they're like, that's all a dog and pony show. And 680 00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:40,639 I feel like millennials still kind of believe in that, and like the old 681 00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:45,400 the boomers still believe in it, and it's like my generation and theirs are 682 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:51,880 both kind of skeptical. I think it's like a skepticism and like a rejection 683 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,480 of authority type of a thing, which is a little ironic, I guess. 684 00:50:54,559 --> 00:51:00,000 But the Woods ninety nine documentary This out right Now is a good illustration 685 00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,519 of that. Have you guys seen that? Yeah, yep, I remember 686 00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:06,880 being super into that stuff back in the day. Well, and how much 687 00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,760 of that like free I grew up o social media until I was like eighteen, 688 00:51:12,039 --> 00:51:15,960 right, no cell phone, I was like seeing so in those developmental 689 00:51:15,039 --> 00:51:19,920 years, the millennial at them had this weird shift right where the extras grew 690 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,840 up Like without a cell phone, you guys knew directions and then the millennials 691 00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:27,239 were like ride between that. I knew some directions, I knew some cell 692 00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:30,239 phone numbers, and then I forgot them all. And then zoomers were like 693 00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:35,400 completely introduced to technology only so the millennials like caught in this crossfire of like, 694 00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,840 well, I kind of learned how to you know, how do I 695 00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:39,159 live without a cellhone? I learned how to do that, and then I 696 00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:43,840 learned that I use my cell phones for everything. Now where these zoomers are, 697 00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,239 like, I wonder if you gave them directions by like following roads like 698 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:51,679 three barns to your right, you know, like it wouldn't have any idea 699 00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:55,039 what you're talking about. Yeah, I actually look at the generations like you. 700 00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:59,280 It's almost like you can't separate a generation from the tech. So I 701 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,639 try to look back, can go, Okay, there was a generation and 702 00:52:02,039 --> 00:52:07,239 that generation all shared. Let's say what the walkman was. Now, technology 703 00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:12,239 at the time didn't shift. There wasn't like a walkman one year and suddenly 704 00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,000 a cell phone. It was a whole decade. To get decades of one 705 00:52:15,039 --> 00:52:22,800 technology that brought everyone together or multiple technologies, and that you could actually you 706 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,719 could actually look the technology and then define the generation that way, which is 707 00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:32,199 interesting that they name technologies with the terms generation, right the new generation of 708 00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:37,199 the this phone. But then what happens and I don't I haven't like really 709 00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:43,639 fully exhausted this. But as the tech gets better and smaller and cheaper, 710 00:52:44,159 --> 00:52:49,000 and the generation of tech comes out faster and faster, it's almost like you 711 00:52:49,079 --> 00:52:52,280 can't segment the generation anymore the same way we did in the past, like 712 00:52:52,679 --> 00:52:55,719 you as a chunk, like, oh, I'm the generation of the of 713 00:52:55,760 --> 00:53:00,159 the record player, and then there's the walkman, and then there's this phone 714 00:53:00,199 --> 00:53:04,719 that comes out and now and now the generation. It's like, can we 715 00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:08,199 even point to a what a generation is right now if we're looking at it 716 00:53:08,199 --> 00:53:12,480 through the lens of technology, and I don't think we could. It's almost 717 00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,840 like this big like as Jay refers to it, like a big like a 718 00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:22,639 when we talk about like a technology technologically based monism model where everything's one thing, 719 00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:29,960 it almost looks like that's where it's going. Even even for us who 720 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:34,440 try to make distinctions and try to keep some these universal categories in check and 721 00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,079 stuff. We look at it and we can't. Can we point to a 722 00:53:37,119 --> 00:53:43,079 generation now? And I don't know if we can, whereas referencing the past, 723 00:53:43,119 --> 00:53:45,760 of course we can. Where we're a part of generation, you'd have 724 00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:50,960 to have a radical change. You'd have to have a radical change and a 725 00:53:51,039 --> 00:53:53,400 jump in technology. So I think that's what you're saying, is that kind 726 00:53:53,400 --> 00:54:00,360 of speeds up. There's nothing we can really point at that, like, 727 00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:06,320 well that was a huge kind of change. Now what's the next generation? 728 00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:10,639 Is an alpha or something that people belowsy back to a yeah, back to 729 00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,320 And I was thinking about that too. I was thinking about this just the 730 00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:19,199 other day, and like, well, what's gonna classify? What's gonna classify? 731 00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:23,440 Then what's gonna mark? I don't think it'll be an event, It'll 732 00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:28,639 be a generations. Yeah, generations And like in literature for instance, used 733 00:54:28,639 --> 00:54:34,039 to be defined by either the ruler or like the overarching paradigm, right the 734 00:54:34,039 --> 00:54:37,639 the neo classical era or the Victorian era, and then the generations used to 735 00:54:37,639 --> 00:54:42,960 have this backlash against the previous generations, sort of a you know, equal 736 00:54:43,079 --> 00:54:50,400 and opposite reaction thing flockdowns that goes Yeah, it's like it's like, yeah, 737 00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,360 it's like postmodernism, you know, being like uh, you know, 738 00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:58,400 the a bomb to like the Big Nine and then the Big nine to Coronco 739 00:54:58,559 --> 00:55:01,480 or the great you know, the Great Reset or some other huge event. 740 00:55:02,039 --> 00:55:05,599 So then it's not the tech. Then it's like, there's an event, 741 00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,599 then the tech is the medium in which we communicate the event with each other. 742 00:55:09,119 --> 00:55:13,480 But so it was the tech, but it's actually not the tech. 743 00:55:13,559 --> 00:55:17,000 It's like, what's the tech that came? Like World War two gave rise 744 00:55:17,039 --> 00:55:20,280 to a lot of different things into the boomers, and there was a lot 745 00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,159 of tech and those a lot of things developed in the war, right the 746 00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:28,119 expediting of the radiod and that all came out of the war. Like what 747 00:55:28,679 --> 00:55:30,400 how much did the world change because of the virus? You know, just 748 00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:35,159 being you know, I just communicating on our phone right now. If this 749 00:55:35,199 --> 00:55:37,400 were five years ago, this would have all most likely been live, Like 750 00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:43,880 most people don't even do podcast live anymore. Like that modernism, Modernism itself 751 00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:45,639 is kind of defined by tech. You know, it's the it's the end 752 00:55:45,639 --> 00:55:51,280 of the Victorian era and then it's into the Industrial Revolution and modernity and that 753 00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:52,880 kind of comes to a head. Like World War one is an example of 754 00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:58,719 you know, has I don't know if it's tech gone wild, but it's 755 00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,760 it's an example. You know, you got to hank and aviation and chemical 756 00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:06,679 warfare and all these things coming out, you know, automatic gunfire in World 757 00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,320 War One and then World War two. You know, the sort of defines 758 00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:13,840 the end of that or the beginning of postmodernism with the a bomb. But 759 00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:15,679 yeah, for them, sorry go ahead, no no, letn't mean to 760 00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:19,079 interrupt you. I was gonna say. Based on what you guys say, 761 00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,480 and connecting the Boomers and the millennials, it's like the Boomers are that first 762 00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:28,960 TV generation, the Millennials are the first computer generation like desktop computer generation, 763 00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:36,840 and then the exers and the Zoomers are sort of in between these two crucial 764 00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,599 points of transition where uh you know the Zoomers, Yeah, they're they're the 765 00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:44,920 smartphone social media generation. But that's like the miniaturization of the computer and a 766 00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:50,760 repackaging of it. Yeah, look at who uses the various things right, 767 00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:55,280 like you know TikTok for instance, Zoomers are TikTok. I mean they're that's 768 00:56:55,760 --> 00:57:01,119 that's how they define things. That's like my knees they chat, yep. 769 00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:07,679 But boomers also love Biombers also love TikTok. Though, you know they love 770 00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:12,840 scrolling TikTok, you know, just the infinite scroll. I feel like people 771 00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,920 my age, I don't know, you know, I like never go to 772 00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:17,239 TikTok. I just don't have any interest. And that's fine. If people 773 00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:22,760 do, I just you know, it's whatever. But zoomers also, you 774 00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:27,039 know, they're on YouTube and stuff, but like Facebook is they're like what, 775 00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,239 they don't care about that, whereas boomers love Facebook, they love it. 776 00:57:30,039 --> 00:57:37,159 Yes, if you look at these things that you're talking about with the 777 00:57:37,199 --> 00:57:42,119 technological shifts, so like World War One, right after that you see radio, 778 00:57:42,719 --> 00:57:46,159 but you also see the end of like kingdoms and the beginning of nation 779 00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:50,280 states as like the predominant thing, right, and then you go to World 780 00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,079 War Two, and you see right after World War Two we switched to TV, 781 00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:59,639 the Boomer generation and television, and you see more of this like un 782 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:04,480 noblest stuff coming in. And then my kids, when I do homeschool with 783 00:58:04,559 --> 00:58:08,119 them, we do a little section on like the Big Nine event and how 784 00:58:08,199 --> 00:58:15,119 that impacted things because my oldest daughter was like six months old when that happened, 785 00:58:15,719 --> 00:58:19,039 and Andrew and I can kind of look back to that and see, 786 00:58:19,199 --> 00:58:22,719 like see that as like a dividing line in our life of like before that 787 00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:27,679 and after that, how the world was completely different. If we talked to 788 00:58:27,719 --> 00:58:30,840 them about what life was like for us in the eighties and nineties versus after 789 00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:36,039 that, it's totally different. And so we kind of teach them about how 790 00:58:36,079 --> 00:58:39,320 that happened and the propaganda that was going on, and how the technology shifted, 791 00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:44,239 and how now we have this national security state that was ushered in by 792 00:58:44,239 --> 00:58:49,480 that event. So you'll see this big event along with a certain type of 793 00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,119 technology, and it ushers in like a new era and a whole new mindset 794 00:58:52,719 --> 00:58:58,079 along with a new culture. You yes. And one of the interesting things 795 00:58:58,119 --> 00:59:01,280 with this is how quickly people sort of I mean, Jay's talking about how 796 00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:05,679 like being you know, boomer is a mindset in many ways. And it's 797 00:59:05,719 --> 00:59:09,800 interesting how one minute you're young and you you know, old people treat you 798 00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:14,119 in a certain way, and the next minute you're the old person talking about 799 00:59:14,159 --> 00:59:15,480 the young people in exactly the same way. And I was wondering, are 800 00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:19,519 we boomers? I was gonna say, I didn't want to ruin it for 801 00:59:19,559 --> 00:59:22,519 everyone, but I was like, is there a neo neo boomer? And 802 00:59:22,639 --> 00:59:24,039 is it us? And we're just like, hey, we're talking about this 803 00:59:24,119 --> 00:59:30,039 stuff and the kids are like, I'm told every day, every day by 804 00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:31,880 my kids that I'm a boomer. Just you guys, if you want to 805 00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:37,920 know what it's like to be forty three, Yes, I'm constantly told I'm 806 00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:42,280 a boomer. What's that? Here's the great here's another great thing about being 807 00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:47,000 a philosopher. I just tell people I transcend those categories, right, I 808 00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:52,840 can actually give an objective analysis of all generations. Why because I have a 809 00:59:52,880 --> 01:00:00,719 PhD behind my name, that's why. That's why. And because we were 810 01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:02,960 all born in the last millennium, so we're ancient. Yeah, right, 811 01:00:04,639 --> 01:00:08,519 But I'd also think there is born in hundreds. Oh my gosh, you're 812 01:00:08,559 --> 01:00:13,159 so old. So for me, and I assumed a lot of you guys 813 01:00:13,159 --> 01:00:16,960 were similar that, Like when the technology changed in the beginning, I think 814 01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,960 it's genuine. I remember like when YouTube first came out, I thought I 815 01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,519 could go there and the propaganda hadn't infected it yet. So how much does 816 01:00:23,559 --> 01:00:29,079 that play into the radio the TV? Right? Once you know, the 817 01:00:29,079 --> 01:00:32,199 powers that be can see this seemed like huh? Or whatever degeneracy can tap 818 01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:36,679 in and use it for its own agenda. Like you know, I remember 819 01:00:36,679 --> 01:00:39,000 watching David Ike, you know, two thousand and eight and whatever. He 820 01:00:39,039 --> 01:00:44,119 may have had his agenda, but I don't think YouTube had affected it. 821 01:00:44,159 --> 01:00:47,199 So I had the YouTube's known those band in twenty eighteen, like I was 822 01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:52,360 banned before Alex Jones completely banned, Like I was talking about the Ukrainian Ukrainian 823 01:00:52,679 --> 01:00:58,559 uranium deal. This was pre Trump stuff, and I talked about some other 824 01:00:58,639 --> 01:01:00,480 kind of weird things, you know, maybe two hundred sus. That was 825 01:01:00,519 --> 01:01:04,239 before they striked me. They literally gave me a strike. I reached out 826 01:01:04,239 --> 01:01:07,360 to him band hammer and at that point, this is again before the Alex 827 01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:12,000 Jumps thing really happened, before he got again, it became like YouTube has 828 01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,119 been infected. Like we're saying they have an agenda now, and how much 829 01:01:15,159 --> 01:01:17,280 of that affects a generation? Like what's the agenda the powers that be? 830 01:01:17,719 --> 01:01:22,239 And then how did they inflict that on the people within the generation. And 831 01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:25,119 it's a different way that that happens by every generation. I don't know that 832 01:01:25,159 --> 01:01:29,840 makes sense, Father Deacon, what were you gonna say? You said there 833 01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:35,159 was gonna there was a truth to the fact that philosophy transcended the the generational 834 01:01:35,719 --> 01:01:40,239 trap or whatever. Remember I was thinking about this the other day. I 835 01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:44,519 mean, it doesn't mean it's sufficient, but like it can certainly equip you. 836 01:01:45,079 --> 01:01:50,159 I was making this was maybe like four years ago. I was making 837 01:01:51,079 --> 01:02:04,159 criticism of music contemporary, particularly like rap music, and somebody had actually said 838 01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:09,880 and it was I think they were like right on the customer and a boomer, 839 01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:14,800 Oh you know, you're just you're that guy. You're like the boomer 840 01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:19,480 criticizing you know, the early general You just don't get it. And it's 841 01:02:19,519 --> 01:02:22,599 like, no, that's not true. Like I really do believe that you 842 01:02:22,639 --> 01:02:29,000 can get to a point where you can have an objective analysis of aesthetics. 843 01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:34,639 And I remember when I was at Thomas Quain's College. You know, I 844 01:02:34,679 --> 01:02:37,599 thought I was repulsed by the fact that they said this, But looking back 845 01:02:37,679 --> 01:02:42,519 on it, it was actually true. You know, there was certain music 846 01:02:42,559 --> 01:02:49,039 that I actually liked and I found it. I thought I really had subjectivized 847 01:02:49,079 --> 01:02:52,360 it. It was a subjective I like it. But you know, when 848 01:02:52,519 --> 01:02:54,960 we were going through and we're studying music theory, we were studying you know, 849 01:02:55,000 --> 01:03:00,800 the ancient Greeks thought on you know, symmetry, mathematics, and aesthetics 850 01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:06,519 throughout the cosmos and stuff like that, and there really is an argument object 851 01:03:06,719 --> 01:03:09,960 objectively speaking to be presented on that. And so they said, well, 852 01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:15,800 the reason why the good doesn't sound the good music doesn't sound good to you, 853 01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:19,280 and the bad music sounds bad is because your soul's disordered. And I 854 01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:24,840 was like, these jokers, they're absolutely right, and so these things aren't 855 01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:31,480 subjective. I'm not saying some stuff isn't, you know, but generally speaking, 856 01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,800 I could, you know, And I was just giving you'd like this 857 01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:44,239 BLA. I was just going through with my class last week about and kind 858 01:03:44,239 --> 01:03:50,199 of going through some Aristotelian arguments on art, and I was referencing literature and 859 01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:52,400 was really good. They knew a lot of literature, and so I was 860 01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:57,159 like, well, what makes something good in terms of literature telling a story 861 01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:00,440 or something like that? And I just broke it down into these kind of 862 01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:04,079 objective categories and it goes all the way back. We traced it back to 863 01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:09,599 even Perseus and Medusa and stuff like this, like what's going on in this 864 01:04:09,639 --> 01:04:15,400 story? You have a common theme running through all of this, the true, 865 01:04:15,639 --> 01:04:20,440 the good, the beautiful, the virtuous, and then the other categories, 866 01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:26,400 the profaned, the ugly, the false, the vice right, And 867 01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:31,039 you want into a story or music, if you want to get good art, 868 01:04:31,199 --> 01:04:36,480 you want to represent right arts and memsas right and imitation of nature at 869 01:04:36,519 --> 01:04:42,000 the higher levels, because these categories, it's not like, oh, I'm 870 01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:46,639 just looking at something and imitating whatever the tree that I see. At these 871 01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:54,800 levels, especially at literature and poetry and stuff like this, you're supposed to 872 01:04:54,880 --> 01:05:00,119 be imitating the higher levels of the transcendent, transcend dentals of truth, beauty, 873 01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:06,679 the good and these different things. So what happens if, just like 874 01:05:06,719 --> 01:05:13,519 the tragedy, you're supposed to take the guy that made the mistake relatable enough 875 01:05:13,559 --> 01:05:16,639 so you can see yourself in that person, and then seeing the reversal that 876 01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:21,760 like all the bad stuff's happening because they made this bad mistake, right, 877 01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:28,159 you're not in the tragedy. In the tragedy, you walk away and feel 878 01:05:28,519 --> 01:05:31,679 pity and fear. Right, And I think, and I even put up 879 01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:38,719 in the eighties cartoons, remember g I Joe, and I mean, heck, 880 01:05:39,039 --> 01:05:42,519 we even had Davy and Goliath. Oh Davy, I don't think that's 881 01:05:42,519 --> 01:05:45,559 a good idea. Everything was like a very clear moral and I'm like in 882 01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:51,559 that sense, it's good art. Why because you're not a sympathizing and wanting 883 01:05:51,599 --> 01:05:58,960 to be the villain. It's clear the virtuous and the good person you want 884 01:05:59,039 --> 01:06:03,800 to actually imitate, hate yourself and become like that and the villain you It's 885 01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:08,719 like, well, it isn't worth going that route. Now, we don't 886 01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:13,920 kind of have that. And I'm really in music too, and so that 887 01:06:14,119 --> 01:06:16,320 itself. And then even in terms of mathematics, the way that like that 888 01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:20,239 you order you know, scales and stuff like derive scales and different modes and 889 01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:27,960 stuff. Absolutely, I'm not bound by my generation and its taste. I 890 01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:32,840 can get a philosophic and spiritual analysis of what's actually good and bad arts. 891 01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:38,440 So I was actually offended to say that. So you think that I'm actually 892 01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:45,800 determined by my generation and I can't rise above using spiritual virtues in my intellect 893 01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:49,920 and philosophy to make an objective analysis. That's a pretty bold statement, and 894 01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:55,599 I disagree with it. And so it applies to everything we're kind of saying 895 01:06:55,719 --> 01:06:58,960 here. It's like, of course we might have certain difficulties because of our 896 01:06:59,039 --> 01:07:05,800 generation, maybe are even particular upbringing, but the great thing about man being 897 01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:11,360 created God's image and having an intellect is we can transcend these limits, right, 898 01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:15,760 and we can get objective analysis and statements and judgments. I have a 899 01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:19,039 question about the aesthetic part of that, because I get all the good and 900 01:07:19,079 --> 01:07:27,840 whatever's prescriptive but or descriptive but or prescriptive. Sorry, but the aesthetic part 901 01:07:28,119 --> 01:07:32,400 are you saying that aesthetics like if there is a good obviously, anything that's 902 01:07:32,559 --> 01:07:36,920 upside down and twisted, even if you find value in it, the reason 903 01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:43,800 you find value is because it necessitates a good standard, even if it's an 904 01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:48,360 upside down version of it. So like, for instance, something that's beautiful 905 01:07:48,599 --> 01:07:53,760 to one person, let's say from this paradigm, is because it's trying to 906 01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:58,679 reach some higher standard godliness, or it's it's like a way to like venerate 907 01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:02,239 God. But someone who doesn't have that paradigm, if they say, like 908 01:08:02,639 --> 01:08:09,960 Picasso or something is beautiful, what you're saying is that even them saying it's 909 01:08:10,039 --> 01:08:15,239 beautiful appeals to some standard, but they're not appealing to the preference. They're 910 01:08:15,239 --> 01:08:18,119 not appealing to the ultimate. Yes, in their preference, this is but 911 01:08:18,159 --> 01:08:25,560 it's upside down. But yeah, and this is a Plato's argument is that 912 01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:30,800 the very fact that two people are having a disagreement about what's actually esthetically pleasing 913 01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:41,640 or good proves that there's some type of objective form of the good. What's 914 01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:48,359 what's in dispute is whether what I'm saying matches the form of beauty. But 915 01:08:48,399 --> 01:08:54,720 the very fact that you're having a conversation can understand each other is exactly your 916 01:08:54,840 --> 01:09:00,600 argument. It presupposes already to have that conversation that there is is objective standard 917 01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:03,840 for the good, the beautiful, et cetera. So absolutely doesn't mean dada 918 01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:10,560 Ism is good on its own like some rejection, like this impulsive rejection of 919 01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:16,319 all norms in all you know, structure and stuff. But on a higher 920 01:09:16,359 --> 01:09:24,920 level it is kind of and I have this experience, I have to if 921 01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:33,119 that your state of your soul, go ahead, fathers, about how you 922 01:09:33,239 --> 01:09:38,399 judge. Absolutely, I mean, part of this is what we would call 923 01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:46,199 both virtue ethics and virtue epistemology, is the ability to get things even intellectually 924 01:09:46,239 --> 01:09:53,000 correct and whatever category, and it could be even a judgment about aesthetics turns 925 01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:59,560 out has something interested to do with acquiring virtues. So becoming a virtuous person 926 01:10:00,399 --> 01:10:06,399 allows you to see things as they really are so absolutely sore. And I 927 01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:11,800 discovered this, I was gonna say, what are your thoughts then on something 928 01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:16,039 like the Joker phenomenon where so many people are finding this a beautiful film highlighting 929 01:10:16,119 --> 01:10:19,399 the sort of nihilism is this is due to the sort of postmodern turn that 930 01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:25,560 we can see the sound sort of downward effect philosophy has on culture in the 931 01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:29,279 sense that people are you know, like, how does this work with the 932 01:10:29,319 --> 01:10:33,199 disordered soul, with our understandings of objective aesthetics and beauty when it seems like 933 01:10:33,239 --> 01:10:40,520 the play on contemporary films is to demonstrate the ambiguity between like the prototypical hero 934 01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:45,079 of Bruce Wayne and the Joker and who actually do you align with? Who 935 01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:47,600 who do you sympathize with? I mean, how how does that relate with 936 01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:54,359 what you're talking about with more clear things like that's w Yeah, we need 937 01:10:54,399 --> 01:11:00,960 a teacher, society always needs a teacher, needs the priests in the Socrates 938 01:11:00,239 --> 01:11:04,720 and different stuff like that because of these bad things. And so last class 939 01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:11,600 we actually did an analysis of The Joker, and so it's interesting much like 940 01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:17,960 kind of like I used reference the portrait of Dorian Gray, Right, I 941 01:11:18,039 --> 01:11:27,319 just continue this whole theme of the like making oneself ugly and allowing traggies. 942 01:11:27,359 --> 01:11:33,760 I even saw this in Medusa for example, a tragic event happens to Medusa. 943 01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:41,399 Right, she's defiled and then she by Poseidon I believe, and then 944 01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:47,239 she's cursed right and made ugly, which to me was a theme of like 945 01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:51,880 what can there? You go? Such a great book, isn't it? 946 01:11:55,079 --> 01:11:59,960 So I wanted to link these kind of categories. That was the portrait of 947 01:12:00,079 --> 01:12:08,880 Dorian Gray right there. Yeah, and so we brought up the Joker. 948 01:12:09,359 --> 01:12:15,800 So the Joker again, possibly we could use this. I don't think the 949 01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:20,439 film by itself could lead students and viewers in the wrong way because, like 950 01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:28,439 you're saying, all these Z generation kids identify with the Joker, right why 951 01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:32,039 because the world's unjust. He's got a bad he's got a bad deal. 952 01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:36,840 Now, I said, then the teacher needs to come in and provide an 953 01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:42,720 analysis of what's actually and clear things up. So what I said is what 954 01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:45,520 is the We all have bad things that happened to our life, right, 955 01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:50,000 we can relate to the Joker. But you have a choice. You can 956 01:12:50,039 --> 01:12:56,079 either The scripture says what men intend for evil God in tense for good. 957 01:12:56,119 --> 01:13:00,439 And you can be a Christian and you can take what's good bad and make 958 01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:02,439 something better out of it, and you can redeem it. This is what 959 01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:11,560 God's doing and this is part of the And or you can become like the 960 01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:15,600 Joker. What does he do? He allows himself to become a monster. 961 01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:19,319 And I said, look at his face. Look he literally lets it transform 962 01:13:19,319 --> 01:13:23,760 like and you don't want to become that, right, And you have a 963 01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:29,439 choice too. And so you have these moral categories that actually take an anthromorphization. 964 01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:31,960 Whether it's in the Medusa, whether it's in the portrait of Dorian Gray 965 01:13:32,039 --> 01:13:35,239 or something like that, it will make you ugly and you will die. 966 01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:41,520 It leads to death spiritually, and these different things. So to answer your 967 01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:45,960 question, Patrick, is that they need a guide. They need a teacher 968 01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:51,760 that can properly assess. So that doesn't let the art just or maybe even 969 01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:58,800 the artist is the writer's intending the wrong thing with that, But we as 970 01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:01,359 Christians can take that and be like, no, see, now, let 971 01:14:01,359 --> 01:14:05,840 me shed light on even perhaps a bad piece of art and give a moral 972 01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:10,000 message and guide them in the right direction. So I think do you think 973 01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:13,279 there's do you think there's a guide always present, or do you think we're 974 01:14:13,279 --> 01:14:16,279 in a position where there's no guide, and so it's people appeal to, 975 01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:20,479 like the art itself is the guide or the culture is the guide, but 976 01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:27,319 there's no like you can't point to a single guide in this modern culture. 977 01:14:27,359 --> 01:14:31,000 It's sort of like this machine unfolding. I wonder if the absence of the 978 01:14:31,039 --> 01:14:38,880 guide itself in this at least in our country, seems like a liberating position 979 01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:43,720 to people where they're like, this is fantastic. There's no seems like absolute 980 01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:48,920 freedom right right, burning like the contemporary periods marked by the discontinuity with the 981 01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:53,239 past, whereas maybe previous generations, like you guys are saying, well, 982 01:14:53,279 --> 01:14:57,119 I knew what my parents listened to. There's a continuity between generations. But 983 01:14:57,159 --> 01:15:00,159 it seems like right now, that's that's the whole promise, right, is 984 01:15:00,199 --> 01:15:03,359 the breaking of the tradition that was to create something totally new, and so 985 01:15:03,359 --> 01:15:08,640 there's like it's almost marked by this discontinuity with what was for something what will 986 01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:13,079 be. Yeah, and then the media used to be a guide, like 987 01:15:13,079 --> 01:15:18,439 you said, father, that the previous generations would encode the moral, the 988 01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:23,199 moral of the story into it that was like that was like you couldn't separate 989 01:15:23,239 --> 01:15:27,680 the moral right, yeah, right, end with the like whether it was 990 01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:31,199 Heman. The cartoons were great back then, right, he Man, g 991 01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:38,319 I, Joe, Davey and Goliath. Right, they always ended with like 992 01:15:38,359 --> 01:15:41,239 the moral message, right that It's like in case you didn't get it, 993 01:15:41,359 --> 01:15:45,680 here is stated, Yeah, we don't have that at all. Now, 994 01:15:46,199 --> 01:15:48,840 how much of that comes to a dirty news at this point too? When 995 01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:54,800 you're trying to talk about an objective? Do people see profane? Like? 996 01:15:54,800 --> 01:16:00,159 What's it? Doja cat this new YouTube video? Yeah? Yeah, I 997 01:16:00,199 --> 01:16:03,960 mean we're celebrating profane because we don't have disguide, which right, we do 998 01:16:04,039 --> 01:16:09,319 have God's law written on our heart, but we celebrate the profane. We 999 01:16:09,399 --> 01:16:13,720 celebrate the tragedy, we celebrate them, and we don't have that. We 1000 01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:16,520 have the church, but we need more of that to bring people back. 1001 01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:20,520 And maybe that's what I was highlighting is the discontinuity is marked by the absence 1002 01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:26,239 of God in culture at all, even a sort of general Protestant Christianity in 1003 01:16:26,279 --> 01:16:30,119 America. I mean, that's it's gone, and so there is no guide 1004 01:16:30,199 --> 01:16:34,920 inside the culture itself anymore. Well, what's the what's the Orthodox belief that 1005 01:16:35,039 --> 01:16:39,039 right the law is written on our heart. We're baptized, we have like 1006 01:16:39,079 --> 01:16:42,239 the whole spirit on the outside, and once we're baptized on the inside. 1007 01:16:42,279 --> 01:16:45,079 And that's why then the church is the only thing to give to be a 1008 01:16:45,119 --> 01:16:49,039 guide, because there is there is no general guide in the culture anymore. 1009 01:16:49,079 --> 01:16:53,720 It's been depleted. And Chase through it, as super Chatting says, doesn't 1010 01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:58,039 the appeal to beauty appeal to a thing with ontological status that is beauty and 1011 01:16:58,239 --> 01:17:00,640 has that substance? And I ask a question because I thought, I mean, 1012 01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:06,119 how does it orthodoxy parse beauty has a substance or an essence? How 1013 01:17:06,159 --> 01:17:09,960 does that relate to it being an energy and uncreated energy? How how does 1014 01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:15,600 that work philosophically? Well, I mean, Jay, I could see Jay 1015 01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:20,920 just put his my costs think his ears peaked up. I just thought I 1016 01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:29,920 was gonna get to talk to Governor Jesse even Tures way more important. Well, 1017 01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:32,319 you know, if you want to talk about aesthetics, I'm an ex 1018 01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:44,560 spurt because I have the worst mullet alive. Well, but they are there. 1019 01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:50,960 I mean, yeah, go ahead ahead. Jay. Chase makes a 1020 01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:58,239 great point with that comment, because I think most people don't have any concept 1021 01:17:58,319 --> 01:18:01,960 of metaphysics or ontology, so when they think of the beautiful, it's only 1022 01:18:02,039 --> 01:18:09,720 with it's only in respect to emotivism. And I believe it or not of 1023 01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:14,600 all people. And Rant actually has a good book on aesthetics, and she 1024 01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:17,960 just applies the principles of Aristotle to the arts, and she has a really 1025 01:18:18,039 --> 01:18:29,239 good critique of how the arts became degraded through identifying good art or the or 1026 01:18:29,279 --> 01:18:33,239 the beautiful with emotions and emotivism. So when that took over the arts, 1027 01:18:33,319 --> 01:18:39,640 the arts became primed for you know, propaganda for Congress for cultural freedom, 1028 01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:43,880 using it as a means of social engineering, all that kind of stuff. 1029 01:18:44,199 --> 01:18:46,560 But I think Chase is hitting at the essence of the question that you know 1030 01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:51,520 Plato would ask, which is, well, when you talk about the beautiful 1031 01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:56,159 or the good or the true, what are you actually referring to? It's 1032 01:18:56,159 --> 01:19:01,000 got to have some kind of real reference or else you're purely subjective status, 1033 01:19:01,039 --> 01:19:06,840 which makes makes it meaningless basically, So then Plato is obviously concerned with the 1034 01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:12,479 status of that transcendent object or that transcendental So I think in Orthodoxy, for 1035 01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:16,279 us, they relate to one another they're not identical. There's actually a problem 1036 01:19:16,279 --> 01:19:24,640 in Tomism that when you identify all these as synonymous, basically they're there eventually 1037 01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:28,000 is there's no distinction between being and the good, so all that exists is 1038 01:19:28,079 --> 01:19:32,359 also identical to the good. But that's why that's that's why you need distinct 1039 01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:40,680 energies. And there's a book that Umberto Eco wrote when he ceased being a 1040 01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:45,600 Toomist, and it was a book about Tomistic aesthetics and how if you identify 1041 01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:49,600 all these things as synonymous through absolute a simplicity, you really have no way 1042 01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:57,560 to distinguish the being and good and beauty. They're all basically the same referent 1043 01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:01,640 for a meaningless ads blob. So Orthodoxy has a unique position with the energies 1044 01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:06,760 being actually distinct realities. There's still one, but they're also really distinct. 1045 01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:10,079 It's a one and it's a both, and it's a one of the mini 1046 01:20:10,119 --> 01:20:13,279 situation. Those are in the past, that's in the Palamite sentods that you 1047 01:20:13,319 --> 01:20:16,640 have to believe that they're distinct realities. So the way this relates to aesthetics 1048 01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:23,039 is that there's different types of goods, there's different types of beauty, there's 1049 01:20:23,119 --> 01:20:27,079 created beauty and there's uncreated beauty. There's created good, there's uncreated good, 1050 01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:31,319 and the created good reflects the uncreated good. It's an analogy and alogeah, 1051 01:20:31,319 --> 01:20:35,920 this is all throughout the Church Fathers that there is a valid cataphatic analogia. 1052 01:20:38,199 --> 01:20:41,039 They're not one to one. That's why it's an analogy, right, So 1053 01:20:41,159 --> 01:20:44,640 we don't identify the created with the uncreated. There's not a one to one 1054 01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:50,439 correspondence. It's a reflective analogical predication. So there's a lot of different ways 1055 01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:54,520 you can go with this. But long story short, Chase is right that 1056 01:20:55,279 --> 01:21:00,039 modernity, since it lost the notion of the transcendent post Enlightenment, obviously the 1057 01:21:00,239 --> 01:21:04,039 arts and aesthetics are going to be affected by this as well. And even 1058 01:21:04,079 --> 01:21:10,479 though I just kind of Disktomism, medieval Latin's actually had a pretty good way 1059 01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:14,359 to parse out how you could tell good art from bad art, and so 1060 01:21:14,479 --> 01:21:18,319 Aquinas talks about, which I think he's correct at this point that true beauty 1061 01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:25,159 has to correspond to harmony, symmetry, order, form, proportion, all 1062 01:21:25,159 --> 01:21:28,439 those things have to be there for it to be good art. I mean, 1063 01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:31,439 he's probably talking mainly about like visual arts there, but I mean the 1064 01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:35,920 principles would apply to literature and written arts as well, So I do think 1065 01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:40,520 there's a gray area though, which I guess reflects Jimbob's question, which is, 1066 01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:44,920 well, so if if I appreciate something dark, does that mean my 1067 01:21:45,079 --> 01:21:49,239 soul's disordered? I mean not necessarily, because, for example, Flannery O'Connor 1068 01:21:49,399 --> 01:21:53,680 is great literature. I think universally accepted. It is great literature. Not 1069 01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:56,880 that it's true because the universe accepted, but it just is. And she, 1070 01:21:57,399 --> 01:22:01,800 you know, her stories all contain usually pretty dark and grotesque elements. 1071 01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:06,640 I mean, even scripture has the grotesque, it has dark elements. So 1072 01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:12,560 I don't think that even if one liked The Joker, I think it would 1073 01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:15,039 depend on the reasons why one liked The Joker. I mean, when I 1074 01:22:15,079 --> 01:22:19,039 saw the film, I could appreciate it on certain levels as a critique of 1075 01:22:19,119 --> 01:22:25,520 society and basically being black pilled. But I could also see it being amount 1076 01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:28,760 of an expression of nihilism, like there's no point, it's all nihilistic. 1077 01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:32,000 So I think some things are kind of unclear. It's not hard and fast 1078 01:22:32,319 --> 01:22:36,239 as to whether because I don't know what. I forget the guy's name, 1079 01:22:36,279 --> 01:22:40,079 but I don't know what what his intention was with the Joker. Was he 1080 01:22:40,159 --> 01:22:45,640 just trying to be black pilled and nihilistic, probably, but you could still 1081 01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:49,520 perhaps appreciate elements of it without appreciate the whole thing. I mean, I 1082 01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:54,640 mean David Lynch's stuff is it tends to be somewhat demonic and dark, but 1083 01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:58,279 I think there's interesting spiritual elements to it that one could still derive from it. 1084 01:22:59,159 --> 01:23:03,439 So I think there is basic ideas for what I would agree with with 1085 01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:08,920 medieval aesthetic theory and Tomism and whatnot, but there's also I think areas of 1086 01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:15,359 flexibility with you know, can I appreciate a really weird satirical story. Yeah, 1087 01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:19,159 I think so. But then also last point would just be that A 1088 01:23:19,399 --> 01:23:26,920 Rand's actually correct that modernity leaving behind metaphysical principles that you find in Aristotle or 1089 01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:31,239 Tomism, like order, proportion, harmony, symmetry, all that, when 1090 01:23:31,279 --> 01:23:36,880 that's lost, when metaphysics goes away, now the only thing left is how 1091 01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:42,399 does the art make you feel? Right? That has dominated the art world 1092 01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:47,560 ever since probably the sixties. Yeah, a question does orthodoxy reject what do 1093 01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:53,479 you call emotivism that like, uh that you know, ethical statements or whatever, 1094 01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:58,640 and then aren't really propositions. They're they're like emotional responses to something. 1095 01:23:59,279 --> 01:24:01,199 Does it we don't, We don't. There's not a negation of the emotion. 1096 01:24:01,319 --> 01:24:08,640 So so un ethical proposition, whether it's in art or literature or oritation, 1097 01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:15,680 might include an emotional aspect. And so but we don't want to be 1098 01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:19,039 led by that. Isn't that just like you know, charismatic church. Would 1099 01:24:19,039 --> 01:24:23,560 you say, that's kind of like this weird form of emotive the same problem. 1100 01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:28,199 That's a great analogy. Yeah, Like so in charismaticism, it's God's 1101 01:24:28,199 --> 01:24:32,279 presence, the theology, all that's subordinated to how I'm immediately feeling in the 1102 01:24:32,279 --> 01:24:38,720 worship service or I'm actually identifying the presence of God with the emotions I'm having 1103 01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:45,600 during the you know, gay praise Jesus boyfriend, Jesus, Jesus is my 1104 01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:48,920 boyfriend. Yeah, I think you know. Palma Sary. Palma says it 1105 01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:53,000 well when he says that God gave us emotions and desire for a reason, 1106 01:24:53,079 --> 01:24:57,600 but they have to be in the right place. They can't be like emotions 1107 01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:01,279 and desire have to be in the right hierarchy. You can't have that as 1108 01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:05,119 like the defining characteristic of everything. Because our hearts are deceptive, they could 1109 01:25:05,119 --> 01:25:10,359 be misled. Right, That's what I was just gonna say. Like every 1110 01:25:10,399 --> 01:25:19,279 heresy, whether theological, ideological, or philosophical, they're putting the right things 1111 01:25:19,279 --> 01:25:26,720 in the wrong categories, things in the wrong place right where they take out. 1112 01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:30,000 Obviously, emotions are good, the intellect's good. And you even see 1113 01:25:30,039 --> 01:25:33,680 this with the virtues, right, But if I put the virtue in the 1114 01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:49,680 wrong place, for example, let's say temperance or what's another gentleness or something 1115 01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:56,880 like that as a as a Christian virtue, when somebody's attacking and killing my 1116 01:25:56,920 --> 01:26:00,680 family, then it's a vice. It's putting the wrong place. If I 1117 01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:03,880 put, like you said, an emotion, usually what you see in a 1118 01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:09,319 lot of these things, and you can see this in Protestantism. It takes 1119 01:26:09,359 --> 01:26:14,239 something that's correct right within the whole, because we say we're the Catholic Church, 1120 01:26:14,439 --> 01:26:19,000 Catholic colos pertainium according to the whole. You take it out and then 1121 01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:24,680 you absoluteize it as if it were the whole or it's the first principle of 1122 01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:30,199 all things. So if that's emotion, then you get charismatic. If it's 1123 01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:36,560 the intellect, you get scholasticism, you have exact yeah, M yeah, 1124 01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:41,279 I think like so you guys might not know this, but when I was 1125 01:26:41,399 --> 01:26:45,000 growing up, I was like an art prodigy. I had a full ride 1126 01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:53,800 scholarship art school. Well, you know, you had a shape. We 1127 01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:56,600 didn't. We didn't do that back in the day. Back in the day, 1128 01:26:56,640 --> 01:27:00,199 I was just like a normal grunge punk rocker chick who went to art 1129 01:27:00,199 --> 01:27:05,680 school stuff. But I totally did, totally did. I had the flowered 1130 01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:10,079 dress with the Doc Martin when I played guitar, everything, the whole nine 1131 01:27:10,159 --> 01:27:14,319 yards. But I went. I went to enough art school that I realized 1132 01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:17,560 all the other art students were like deeply depressed and like hated everything, and 1133 01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:20,479 I didn't fit in because I was too happy. I was always like, 1134 01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:24,920 hey, everybody, what's going on? They were like life is pain, 1135 01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:29,239 you know. So it didn't work out for me. I didn't even go 1136 01:27:29,319 --> 01:27:30,920 to art school because I was like, what the hell am I going to 1137 01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:34,399 do with a fine arts degree? Like I don't even know what I'll do 1138 01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:38,640 with that. And I did do a lot of like painting and stuff after 1139 01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:42,359 school, you know, like once I graduated, I did a whole like 1140 01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:47,039 commission series for this really wealthy guy, and I've done a few other commissioned 1141 01:27:47,039 --> 01:27:51,800 projects and stuff like Jim Bob and I probably really get along well on that 1142 01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:57,880 level, being like visual artist type of people. But the thing about it 1143 01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:01,079 growing up was like the stuff I love. I loved like Rubens, and 1144 01:28:01,159 --> 01:28:05,880 I liked the realists, and I liked people who could take, you know, 1145 01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:12,399 something really realistic and reproduce it in a way that was like hyper realistic 1146 01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:17,439 or like transcendent to the realistic, and so growing up during the grunge era 1147 01:28:17,560 --> 01:28:23,159 where everything was like heroin chic and very dark and everything like, on the 1148 01:28:23,199 --> 01:28:26,079 one hand, I could kind of appreciate some of it, but on the 1149 01:28:26,079 --> 01:28:30,159 other hand, I was like I couldn't ever get really get myself into that 1150 01:28:30,199 --> 01:28:34,640 mindset of like life is meaningless, everything is pain, you know, the 1151 01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:40,279 suffering and all that stuff, because I'm like a happy person, so I 1152 01:28:40,319 --> 01:28:44,680 don't. It's like I was in this weird limo in between generations. And 1153 01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:47,760 I think that's why it's interesting for me having like the range of kids that 1154 01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:54,640 I have, the different the different personalities and the different perspectives that they have. 1155 01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:59,760 Right, like my oldest ones, remember vine before it was like to 1156 01:29:00,119 --> 01:29:03,760 talk and all that stuff they remember, like vine and stuff, and then 1157 01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:08,760 the younger ones are like, what's that, that's stupid. I watch TikTok, 1158 01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:11,720 you know, and I like this stuff. And they don't even have 1159 01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:14,560 the same sense of humor like the older one to the younger one. But 1160 01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:20,359 it's fun watching them interact because they'll find overlap. So I think every human 1161 01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:25,560 being, regardless of what generation you're and you're trying to find what you're meaning 1162 01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:28,239 is you're trying to find some kind of compass. You're trying to find some 1163 01:29:28,319 --> 01:29:33,199 sort of anchor, and there are transcendentals that help you do that. But 1164 01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:39,119 the way that the pop culture is right now, it's like the dominant stuff 1165 01:29:39,199 --> 01:29:45,159 is very satanic and it's all about shitting all over whatever is transcendental. Right 1166 01:29:45,199 --> 01:29:47,800 Like that seems to be the dominant thing right now. And the good thing 1167 01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:53,479 is the white pill is all four of my daughters who are around now are 1168 01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:56,359 like, they all see that for what it is. They all get it 1169 01:29:56,439 --> 01:29:59,520 instantly. They all see that and they're like, ah, no, I 1170 01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:03,279 know what you're doing their you know, Dojakat dressed like a black demon in 1171 01:30:03,319 --> 01:30:06,800 her latest video or you know those sort of things, like my youngest is 1172 01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:12,199 the biggest Jamie Hanschoff fan on the planet. Buck way. She loves her 1173 01:30:12,279 --> 01:30:15,720 stuff because and it's not anything that I trained her or taught her to do. 1174 01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:19,039 She just sees it for herself. And I don't know if it's well, 1175 01:30:19,039 --> 01:30:26,119 it's Andrews threatening her at night. He's this, that's so funny because 1176 01:30:26,119 --> 01:30:30,319 he's like the sweetest, gentlest dad ever. You guys would all laugh so 1177 01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:33,000 hard because he's just such a sweete pie with him. But she no, 1178 01:30:33,199 --> 01:30:36,279 she just I don't know if it's being homeschooled or what it is, but 1179 01:30:36,319 --> 01:30:41,039 it's like she sees the stuff and she picks on it, picks up on 1180 01:30:41,079 --> 01:30:43,640 it. I don't have to say anything. Andrew doesn't have to say anything. 1181 01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:47,359 She knows exactly what's going on right away. So when she when we 1182 01:30:47,399 --> 01:30:51,159 went to Nashville and she met Jamie, they just talked it up because she 1183 01:30:51,199 --> 01:30:55,199 would Betty, just my youngest one, was just like, oh yeah, 1184 01:30:55,239 --> 01:30:58,600 I totally get it. I know this pop star and this pop star. 1185 01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:00,520 You gotta look into it because look at her cover art, look at the 1186 01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:04,000 symbology, and I'm sitting there I had no idea she knew this stuff. 1187 01:31:04,039 --> 01:31:10,680 I'm sitting there like just as flabbergasted as everybody else was. But I think 1188 01:31:10,720 --> 01:31:14,720 that they're They're not like Bla will tell you too, They're not as dumb 1189 01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:16,960 as you think. They catch on to a lot, They get a lot 1190 01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:24,960 more than you would think. This youngest generation, I think is better. 1191 01:31:25,119 --> 01:31:29,640 Is it better that it's obvious, like we have a culture that the Satanism 1192 01:31:29,680 --> 01:31:33,319 and all this under right out there is so clear? Or is it? 1193 01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:38,079 Or is it it makes a worse you know culture, But if it was 1194 01:31:38,479 --> 01:31:44,399 very ambiguous and under the radar and and and subtle, like I don't know 1195 01:31:44,439 --> 01:31:46,880 if one is worse or they're just different, but the subtle one would have 1196 01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:51,560 its own problems, you know, navigating it. Like I was like, 1197 01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:55,880 thank you obvious, Like you have a big, you know, demon head 1198 01:31:55,960 --> 01:32:00,840 on and you're upside down and you're doing all you know, puns and we're 1199 01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:03,840 not wondering now that The sad thing is that, like you were saying, 1200 01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:08,880 Michael, is that if you're if the news is clouded, you don't see 1201 01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:13,439 it, it doesn't seem obvious. Yeah, that's your new subtle, but 1202 01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:16,439 not for someone you know this whole Jimbob's not It isn't subtle, And it 1203 01:32:16,479 --> 01:32:23,119 makes sense why Betty a zoomer that was homeschooled, raised an environment where she 1204 01:32:23,199 --> 01:32:28,319 wasn't bombarded with all the stuff too, you know, cloud her noetic faculties 1205 01:32:28,319 --> 01:32:30,560 that she then can pick up on something and follows Jamie and can put all 1206 01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:34,039 these patterns together and it is obvious for her. So I think, I 1207 01:32:34,079 --> 01:32:39,439 think you're nailing it there. But it wasn't time when it wasn't obvious. 1208 01:32:39,640 --> 01:32:42,159 Is there a is there a time in history we can point to where oh, 1209 01:32:42,199 --> 01:32:46,800 yeah, absolutely worse. Yeah. I was thinking there's a parallel too. 1210 01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:51,960 I was just talking to this conversation about what I appreciated about Latin American 1211 01:32:53,119 --> 01:32:59,359 like third world countries is that the corruption is just obvious. It's like, 1212 01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:03,239 oh, we're getting pulled over, I'll get your wallet out. Why because 1213 01:33:03,279 --> 01:33:06,600 we got to pay the cops. And at first I was upset, and 1214 01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:12,199 then I'm like, I like where I can see it. I appreciate it 1215 01:33:12,239 --> 01:33:16,520 there. The United States, it's really good at like covering everything's normal here. 1216 01:33:17,079 --> 01:33:23,840 What do they call that? American exceptionalism? Moral exceptional This would never 1217 01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:28,640 happen, and I appreciated that. I think I almost liked it where I 1218 01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:33,840 could see it if is a DPH and you'd said, if you're capable of 1219 01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:39,279 seeing it, so you know, and I think there was there. There 1220 01:33:39,359 --> 01:33:44,840 was definitely a time, you know, in the I don't know, eighties 1221 01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:46,840 and nineties. I mean that's where I grew up, and it wasn't that 1222 01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:51,399 obvious to me. I didn't know, like now it's just like they're throwing 1223 01:33:51,439 --> 01:33:57,680 it in your face. It's right there. But nineties, we're how do 1224 01:33:57,800 --> 01:34:02,039 we tell if you were cl clouded or partially clouded that you didn't see or 1225 01:34:02,159 --> 01:34:05,640 was it actually not as I mean, how how do I know if I 1226 01:34:05,640 --> 01:34:11,520 went clear? Yeah? At that you know you were there was clarity at 1227 01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:15,079 that point, like even if it was not as clear, you weren't as 1228 01:34:15,079 --> 01:34:18,479 clear as you are now. It was it ver like was like ac DC 1229 01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:25,039 and what's the name eating a Bat's head like show? Right, But to 1230 01:34:25,119 --> 01:34:28,159 me, it didn't occur like, oh, there's this demonic force out there, 1231 01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:31,119 even though I believe good and evil exists, that's just you know, 1232 01:34:31,720 --> 01:34:35,439 like that that was my attitude. But I don't know if that's just cloudiness. 1233 01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:40,479 Or did things just get really intense and focused, you know, in 1234 01:34:40,520 --> 01:34:45,680 its practice of like just demonic crap. I gotta jump in real quick because 1235 01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:49,880 I gotta run. But David don't want to Thank you for having me on, 1236 01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:54,720 and thank you for the interviews that we've done, and congratulations on twenty 1237 01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:59,199 k BLA. You still want to do this book? Yes, yes, 1238 01:34:59,399 --> 01:35:01,319 yes, I gotta right over here. Yeah, let's do it right there. 1239 01:35:01,479 --> 01:35:05,319 Oh my god, that would be so exciting. Yes, so I 1240 01:35:05,720 --> 01:35:09,760 dtor Moreau. You guys all right later, Jay, Thanks brother, appreciate 1241 01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:16,319 it. That will be so fun. I'm excited for that. I think 1242 01:35:16,359 --> 01:35:20,000 in terms of what you guys are talking about, you brought up. You 1243 01:35:20,119 --> 01:35:27,840 brought up a lot, you know. I think that, in my opinion, 1244 01:35:28,039 --> 01:35:30,880 you know, I think that art of in any medium, is really 1245 01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:38,399 about two things. It's one the the questions that the artist is always trying 1246 01:35:38,399 --> 01:35:40,960 to address, you know, the thing that they're trying to convey even when 1247 01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:45,520 they are not, is there too, really, which is our relationship with 1248 01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:47,479 God and our relationship with each other. Right, It's always it's always why 1249 01:35:47,479 --> 01:35:50,880 are we here? And what do we do while we're here? And even 1250 01:35:50,920 --> 01:35:56,479 the works of art that are specifically dark, like you said, Father Deacon. 1251 01:35:56,520 --> 01:35:59,359 They they address that issue. I mean, like paradig